WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:35.479 Can I get a yeah? Two times and twenty four hours. Welcome back 2 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:39.560 to Calling All Beings. I'm your host DJ, along with the partiers that 3 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:46.359 are in the building, my co conspirators in Fun, Entertaining and Positive UAP 4 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:53.759 discussed shown even though the guest isn't from Louisiana and Courtney's not gonna say his 5 00:00:53.880 --> 00:01:02.520 name during her intro, Right, Courtney, Yeah, I too, love 6 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:04.319 man, Come on when you guys lighten up. I just got doomed doing 7 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:11.680 high yoga man Wednesday back. I didn't even sleep after yesterday's show. I 8 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.000 just I've been up for twenty four hours, just sitting right here, ready 9 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.680 to go for the next show. That's my dedication to this show, this 10 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.799 to the platform. I think it's time for us to raise the bar. 11 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:32.640 Oh no, look at what just bringing, Courtney. You've been plowing the 12 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:36.799 fields in Pennsylvania. What the hell's going on over there? Well, it 13 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.599 was good. I got to Pennsylvania yesterday and tonight there was a breaking bread 14 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.120 dinner where all the ladies, all the local ladies come together and we share 15 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.719 a nice dinner together. And I was telling these guys before we came on, 16 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.239 I would give them one guess what the political table talk was tonight. 17 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.560 So are you gonna guess? DJ? No, I'm not because I love 18 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.760 politics that much. What was it? UFOs? Yes, that's not political. 19 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:04.680 Man. I can dig it. I can dig a courtney. I'm 20 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.439 gonna tell you at home, girl, you got some stuff going on because 21 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:13.560 the topic you've been covering lately, uh was perfect for this guest. He's 22 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:16.319 gonna try to help in the same endeavor that you've been working with. So 23 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:24.159 we super duper excited. So without further yeah, putty, people put those 24 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:30.360 hands together. From my man from the us MC who don't got out and 25 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.879 said, you don't think I can be a lawyer? What what what? 26 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.680 I'm gonna pass that el sat and I'm gonna be an attorney. You're gonna 27 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:47.599 call me Sean Munger esquire, I put those hands together for snake or wait 28 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:59.560 a minute, Bob Buskin zero nine also known as Sean Munger. I'm gonna 29 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:07.080 get it, man, Okay, I'm radioing tonight. Good Man. Welcome, 30 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.439 brother, welcome, thank you for having me back, Thank you for 31 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.319 having me back. Good to see your face. I know we've talked in 32 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:15.639 the phone a couple of times, but it's good. Good to see your 33 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.240 face. Most people don't say that, so I'm really glad to hear that. 34 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.199 So people are like, you know what, you're better on the phone, 35 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.319 so or you look better on the phone. So I'm really gratified to 36 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.919 hear that thing here. Only made my night. Courtney, that was quick. 37 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:36.199 She's so mute. All right, So, Sean, you know all 38 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:38.360 the Cabby's, We all know you. Uh, it's an honor to have 39 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.159 you here. You are a disclosure. Oh look who's there. It's Vinnie 40 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.240 Adams back. Okay, So let's just recognize a couple of people. Uh 41 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:50.360 So, first of all, before we go into the people that we want 42 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:55.000 to recognize here, Julie is out tonight. I know she had family last 43 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:00.280 night and sounded like she didn't have a very good night or day. So 44 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.879 on behalf of calling all beings. We love you, Jewels, and hope 45 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:09.400 that you're able to push through whatever this is and we get you back on 46 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.360 here. You're a very integral part of what we're doing. I also want 47 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:18.319 to say hi to Caroen Encounters Carolina Tim from All Things Unexplained. Man, 48 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:23.839 if you haven't been on their show, Sean, Tim and CJ and Smitty 49 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.680 are brilliant. They're our friends. In fact, we got to book a 50 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.839 show and we're gonna get them back on. We're gonna do the Cabby and 51 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.720 all things don't explain roundtable. They also hooked us up with Thomas Winterton. 52 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:40.439 So what we had last night, we would not have had Thomas Winterton without 53 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.800 the help of Tim, just like without Vinnie Adams, we wouldn't have like 54 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.319 four or five different guests that he's helped us get and Frenzy's helped us mate, 55 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:54.480 So thank you Vinnie, and let's get get with it. Nathan. 56 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.800 Let let's let's start it off with you man. Sure, well, so 57 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:00.920 Seawan and I I work with attorneys and so I kind of a little bit 58 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.759 about what that world is like. But I was thinking today, you've had 59 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:09.639 some some different training in your life. You've been trained as a marine and 60 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.959 then you've been trained as an attorney. And I was just kind of before 61 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.040 we get started in and Intel as well, you know what overlaps do you 62 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.800 see in those trainings and where do you see those things different? What skills 63 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:25.240 from from you know, Marine corps have really sort of you brought to the 64 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:29.120 attorney world. I guess. Let me first, before I get going, 65 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.439 I get to throw out the disclaimer. So everything I say here I represent 66 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:38.319 is my opinion in mine only. It doesn't represent my current employer or former 67 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:44.040 employers or any other organizations that I'm associated with. This is strictly myself or 68 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.160 any other groups of attorneys that I'm working with or in any capacity. So 69 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.720 again, anything I say would be my opinion, and if we actually get 70 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:55.720 into some of that, it would show I could hopefully discuss maybe the strengths 71 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.319 of having disagreements in the organizations that that you have and how that actually rushes 72 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.079 things out. So let's just want to start off with a disclaimer that you 73 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:10.360 know, everything I say tonight isbody from Shawn Munger. But to your question, 74 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.920 so, I guess from my background as an intelligence anaeist in the Marines, 75 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:18.279 I did two deployments with twenty six Marines Feeditionary Unit. My second appointment 76 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:23.519 deployment, I was the senior intelligence analyst with the with the man element. 77 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:31.040 I guess from that training experience of real world missions everything from neo to you 78 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:38.560 know, combat to UH direct action missions. UH, just be able to 79 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:44.759 understand that every action you want to do an action with intent to have a 80 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.680 what the outcome that you're looking for, So you're not just randomly doing things. 81 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:54.399 So if you're gonna make a move, you want to know what the 82 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:59.839 intent of what that move is to do. And from I guess those experiences 83 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.319 threat analysis understanding that you know, whatever action I have, the enemy is 84 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.480 going to react, and then what's going to be my uh my action then 85 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:13.519 what's gonna be with their reaction? And it's basically the understanding that once you 86 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:17.759 really kick something off, the plan kind of changes and evolves. So even 87 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.560 though you might hit that first brick wall, it's like, okay, now 88 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:23.680 we've got to go over it, under it, around it, through it, 89 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.000 and just having that same amount of capacity to just kind of, you 90 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.680 know, roll with it and then accomplishing the mission. And as an attorney, 91 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:32.920 I guess that'd be the same exact thing. You know, you have 92 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.800 your client that comes in the door, they tell you their set of facts. 93 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:41.839 Through discovery, you start learning different facts or you know, potential facts 94 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.079 or different perspectives and then you know what which facts are amissible in court, 95 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.399 which one are you know, a public opinion, and then how to get 96 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:53.920 that information into a court case if it is going to end up go that 97 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:57.079 way, or if it's just gonna be leveraged in some type of negotiated settlement. 98 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.639 So I guess a lot of that really just lend's over because you know, 99 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.800 the mission is to accomplish the goals of your client versus you know, 100 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.560 in your marines or your combat or whatever it is, to accomplish the goals 101 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:13.560 or whatever that specific mission is. So I guess that's where there is a 102 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.000 lot of overlap. Yeah, a lot, And I'm sure that like really 103 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.839 enhances the work to you do as an attorney and certainly relates to the work 104 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.000 that you're trying to do now. So it's wonder if you could kind of 105 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.759 set the stage for the audience on you know, some of the projects that 106 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.040 you're working on now, what you're really trying to put your energy behind in 107 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.519 the UAP space. So at this at this point, I feel that you 108 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.639 know, there's a lot of there's a lot of efforts that are out there, 109 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.559 and as an attorney, I believe that there's a lot more that we 110 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:48.600 could be doing, and there's a lot of attorneys in this in this involved 111 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.240 in this subject or you know, that are paying attention but not necessarily taking 112 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:58.200 active roles. At one point, NPI put out a calling for any attorneys 113 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:03.000 that wanted to assist in any way. I had reached out and through that 114 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.799 I've made connections with a group of attorneys on the NPI Legal team that we've 115 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:13.480 been actually you know, communicating quite frequently and starting to you know, work 116 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.440 together. I know that again this is I'm just I'm here on my own 117 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.399 behalf right now. But just you know, Danny Sheehan has been on a 118 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:26.720 lot of podcasts later we talk about NPI Legal and there are you know, 119 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.039 from my perspective that we got. We have ten attorneys from around the country 120 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:37.879 with various backgrounds to include you know, partners at law firms, former general 121 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.679 counselor for intelligence organizations, you know, all the way down to you know, 122 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:48.679 bankruptcy, business law. Uh, there's a pretty good talent pool with 123 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.759 a various set of skills that have all come together and the understanding that we 124 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.120 want to understand what the truth is and we want to be able to assist, 125 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:01.679 if possible, bringing out the truth in the capacity you know, if 126 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:07.480 we can. And again, so myself as an individual, you know, 127 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.240 I just want to be able to use the knowledge that I have and the 128 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.639 skill sets that I might have that to assist people that are trying to accomplish 129 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.679 maybe their goals or or the overall goal of truth. And there's a lot 130 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:28.360 of people that might be coming forward recently or that trying to go this on 131 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.320 their own, and they're trying to fight against a system that's established or that 132 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.559 are corporations or the government. And if you go alone at that, I 133 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:43.120 don't I don't know how you can achieve, you know, much like what 134 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.399 are you going to put against? You know, there's there's there's a there's 135 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.679 the Berserker, and there's the Viking shield Wall, right, so what can 136 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:58.039 one berserker do versus the whole you know, Viking Viking shield Wall and the 137 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.360 way that they operate. Hundred Spartans can do a hell of a lot more 138 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:07.600 damage than you know, one spartan standing alone. So I feel like in 139 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:13.559 that capacity, I've made some uh Twitter remarks saying that it'd be behoove some 140 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.480 people that are looking to come forward to maybe start building a team on their 141 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.879 side so that they can be better prepared for when they start making public statements, 142 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.519 when they start maybe putting things on paper if they're going to ever sign 143 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.159 an AUTI David, if they're ever gonna make any uh you know, testimony, 144 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.879 any type of report, just to be aware of the ramifications for that. 145 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.720 You know, if somebody comes forward they have a you know, uh 146 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:45.039 you know, current job and they wanted, you know, uh put their 147 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.559 story story forward, they might not know how to even put a story forward. 148 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.759 They might tell it in a non uh you know, in a outside 149 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:54.919 of a timeline. It's scattered brain. They're just they're just kind of recall 150 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.799 things, maybe slow down a little bit and uh put it on paper for 151 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.320 and then look at it and then adjust it and then really put your own 152 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:07.080 thoughts together before you you know, you really, you know, put put 153 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:13.000 things out there because in today's society and especially a subject like uh U a 154 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:20.399 p and non human intelligence or what we potentially are dealing with. You know, 155 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.039 once you're out there, you know, you're you're opening yourself up for 156 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.279 good faith attack, bad faith attack, just being discredited. And then they're 157 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.039 probably people if you do maybe have a puzzle piece, you know, people 158 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.840 might start really digging into your history. You're really starting to full pen some 159 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.639 things out in the it's just you behoove you to at least, at the 160 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:48.919 very least talk to people that in a you know, pro bono capacity or 161 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.799 are willing to listen and then maybe assist you or point you in the right 162 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.120 direction. That's what we're gonna get tonight. Man, We're gonna get some 163 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.639 answers. You want the truth, I'm sorry, we don't. We don't 164 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.639 have to get you to go into your Nathan what was that guy's name? 165 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:09.559 His name was also Nathan, right, Colonel Nathan something, Nathan jes Ye. 166 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.159 Yeah, they can't handle the truth. I'm just kidding. Deb can 167 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.080 handle the truth. And apparently she's ready to know it all. Open up 168 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.519 all the vaults, show her all the sites, and she's be like, 169 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.600 wow, this is cool. All right, Deb, go for it, 170 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:30.000 my friend. So my question is, since you're prepared to represent the people 171 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:35.639 who need it in coming forward with this topic, have you given some thought 172 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:41.919 to some of those people who may feel like they had to do maybe some 173 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.080 not so good and moral things, like for the people, for instance, 174 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.879 who might need amnesty when they come forward, like how how what is the 175 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:56.279 situation there legally for handling those people? Great question, All right, So 176 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.000 for the reports centation point, there would be the consultation right. So again 177 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:09.080 we would it just I think it behoove anyone that's any type of legal situation, 178 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.799 whether it's a going through a divorce, or parking ticket or speeding ticket 179 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.200 or anything, any type of criminal or go, hey, the police want 180 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.000 me to come in and talk to them. It's it's in your best interest 181 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:26.960 to at least discuss your options with an attorney. And many attorneys or organizations 182 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.440 or the bar associations, they offer some services where you can at least have 183 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.320 a you know, ten or twenty minute consultation with someone. Just talk to 184 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.639 them when you get a summary or an idea of the surface level of what's 185 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:45.320 going on, and then you know, if you can assist the assystem whatever 186 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.559 capacity you can, if not, again, point them in the right direction 187 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:52.720 or maybe you know, you know, flesh it out a little bit. 188 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.759 There's gonna be this with the subject like this, it would be something that 189 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:03.679 really needs to be developed before there's really a representation type relationship. And if 190 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.279 it's again, if it's not, if it's not us or or me, 191 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.039 it would be you know, how can I if I can't assist but I 192 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.720 can't then I'm you know, I'm definitely a person that is never I don't 193 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.639 try to playing cards that I have, and you know, I'll try to 194 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.840 restate my skill set or what I'm trying to do. It's just we're out 195 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.399 there. We definitely have a pretty good knowledge base, so we can find 196 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:35.360 the answer and then you would hopefully leave whatever consultation with a better understanding of 197 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.440 you know, what you might be facing or like you might we might be 198 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.279 might not be being represented, but you are going to be more knowledgeable than 199 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:50.080 when you first discussed your matter with us. The voice you're here right there 200 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:56.559 is that of attorney and former marine, former Intel analyst, and you have 201 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:02.600 u a p advocate, Sean, And if you'd like his services, and 202 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:07.360 you use the coupon code CAB one zero, you can get ten percent off 203 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:12.440 of five hundred dollars per minute of consultation. So just let us know and 204 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:19.000 we can connect you up with Sean connection. There's there's there's there's no charge 205 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:23.000 to these consultations, of these discussions, of these zations. It's not five 206 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:30.279 hundred dollars a minute. Absolutely not litigation realm or whatever the regular cases. 207 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:34.600 That's like the going rate, but not not in this capacity or any organization 208 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.480 that I'm associated with. Well, there you go. This is what we 209 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:45.240 love about Seank. Are you familiar with our new Cabby Courtney connected? Do 210 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.919 you know her? We haven't met. I believe that she might have talked 211 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:53.559 to one of my acquaintances recently. But he and I, actually he and 212 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:57.519 I actually met at the Soul Symposium. He came up and we went out 213 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.840 and I got to know him. Was also serving on UAP Medical Coalition who 214 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:06.640 were there at the same time. Yeah, so I think we have an 215 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:12.440 acquaintance that's also an attorney out in California that I believe might be coming being 216 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:18.759 on an interviewed soon that'll be discussing some of their fair perspective on what's going 217 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:25.000 on. Go ahead, to Cortney, this is you have the floor of 218 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.400 my friend. So I have a real specific question and I don't know if 219 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:32.119 this is your area of expertise or you're involved in it or not at all. 220 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:34.279 But I had heard that this was when I first got to the East 221 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.240 Coast, it was probably three weeks ago. I had heard that there was 222 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:44.839 a group that came in to do congressional support for the Schumer Amendment, you 223 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.119 know, reiteration, second reiteration. So are you involved with that at all 224 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.680 and crafting the legislation or working on the different types of language that they're going 225 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:59.000 to re enter into that? So I can say that I personally am not. 226 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:07.400 I've heard rumblings of something similar my I guess my. I put my 227 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.279 opinions out of how I feel that legislation should be drafted. I think it. 228 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.680 I don't know if it's fallen on death years. I think I get 229 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:21.480 my own opinions about you know, if that isn't happening, what might be 230 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:26.759 happening. So, but no, I am personally not associated with that or 231 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.759 have had a culsitation with that. If I did, I wouldn't be able 232 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:37.960 to speak about it either. Most likely Sean is as we're in this sort 233 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:41.880 of I'll use some sort of military analogies. We're in this sort of battle 234 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:48.720 space here where there's been a heavy push, we sustained a bit of a 235 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.559 bit of damage, little you know, sort of battle damage here. Via 236 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:59.079 the task force or whatever they call themselves, and the and and the report 237 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:07.400 and the refutations and ignorances of certain incidents that have proven to be true and 238 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:15.599 are with merit, with proof, with data, with video, with concurrence 239 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:22.000 from several different angles of it. So what what do you think that the 240 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:29.279 opposition's position is now relative to that attack? And what stage? What? 241 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.680 What if if you were if you know what the sort of battle plan is 242 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.319 or what you think the battle plan is or should be, what what would 243 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.400 that be right now? Of what? Try and move forward? Or I 244 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:48.799 guess yes, I know there needs to be you know, uh, stronger 245 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.640 legislation. I guess if then we need a stronger legislation that that is actionable 246 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:02.480 and provide some uh, you know, requirements for the organizations that are involved 247 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.000 in this in this subject that that gives them some I guess teeth to do 248 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.960 things. And then also you need to have individuals in those positions that are 249 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.799 you know, able to do that, to able to execute. So if 250 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:17.920 you have you know, if you have a bunch of scientists working at an 251 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.559 organization, they're going to be they're gonna act like scientists. If you have 252 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.440 operators that work in there, there are more people that actually go out, 253 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.880 you know, start looking in some doors, start opening boxes, versus you 254 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.720 know, sitting down and making you know, wonderful PowerPoint slides or you know 255 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.240 crafting up. You know, you need you need to have some you know, 256 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:40.799 maybe our door kickers, but you need to have people that have gone 257 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:45.200 out in our investigators or ground investigators like go out you know, collect samples 258 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:51.400 or you know, talk to people inspect locations. I think that it's hard 259 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:55.200 because you need to have the authority to be able to enter a lot of 260 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.240 these spaces. So you would need you know, a search warrant or some 261 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.160 type of law that's broken so that you can gain access, or potentially law 262 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:06.599 or an allegation of a law of broken so you can gain access to these 263 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:10.759 or these locations. But that would be done in some type of law enforcement 264 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.240 capacity, which is why you know, a while ago I had drafted I 265 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:21.079 had written in an article urging through the legislation to take a regulation approach versus 266 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:26.200 eminent domain. And I think that I tried to stress it is probably you 267 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.680 know, maybe a bridge too far. At that point, there was so 268 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:33.279 much momentum behind the eminent domain, and you know, you had a lot 269 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.079 of the I believe a lot of the individuals that are you know, extreme 270 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.480 advocates for this, that are you know, want to make sweeping changes and 271 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.519 you know, want to change the system or bring the system down or whatever 272 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.960 their goals are. By an acting eminent domain, we're gonna take the toy 273 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.559 with from the kid. Now we own the toy, and then we're gonna 274 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.119 give it to this organization about a point of officials and then they're going to 275 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.160 decide what to do with it. But we're going to be the members of 276 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.519 it, so we have the power now. I think that again from my 277 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.519 intelligence background, in my attorney background, I think that might be a little 278 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.559 short sighted and it's not thinking long term or downstream effects. And I think 279 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:17.200 it's actually much more dangerous than to create an unappointed board of people that are 280 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:26.480 now legislatively provided the power to actually, you know, enact the secrecy that's 281 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.000 potentially ongoing right now. So right now we're all afraid, you know, 282 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:36.680 there's there's corruption and people are stealing or they're they're they're hurting people. See 283 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.839 with them in a domain and this board, you basically give the board all 284 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.480 the power over all UAP, and then through them at domain, you seize 285 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:48.079 all the property that's out there. So you're taking if there's UAP property that 286 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:49.599 ballet owns, and he's in the United States, and it's in the United 287 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:53.000 States. Arguably, you're gonna Steve sees that from him. You're gonna take 288 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.240 all the science, all his reports. You can take all the Galileo's reports, 289 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.960 all their science, all that, everything that they've found on the ball 290 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.039 in the ocean, you're going to take all that. Now the government has 291 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.400 seized that through eminent domain, you're gonna give twelve unelected people the power to 292 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.000 decide what to do with all of that. Now, now all we're gonna 293 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.440 do it for the public good? Okay, what's the public good? Right? 294 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:17.519 Objective? Because I can seize somebody's property and then hand it to another 295 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.480 private entity through eminent domain. So you're basically giving in yes, okay, 296 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:27.039 So we might have one iteration of this council or this this board that is 297 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:33.319 not corrupted, But how long is it going to take until somebody corrupts it? 298 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.400 If it took only a top two or three Congress people to shut down 299 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:41.680 this whole the UAP Disclosure Act, all they need to do is get one 300 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.000 person on this board or two people on the board. We have no guarantees 301 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.759 that they're all going to be allies of us. We have no guarantees that 302 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:51.720 they're going to have not have conflict. You know, what's gonna be the 303 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:53.599 vetting process, what's gonna be the way to get them off? And then 304 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.400 all of a sudden they can just decide, oh, let's keep this classified. 305 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:02.160 It's it's two earth shattering and then you basically get in a governing board 306 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.240 the power to not disclose, and you can't have a college can't go out 307 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:11.799 and find its own evidence because Eminent domain I found new evidence. So Emerald 308 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:18.200 domain goes to the government board, has it tick it back to the Indiana 309 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.480 Jones warehouse, because it's it's all going to be under their power. I'm 310 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:30.799 more of a proponent of you an act strong regulation that's thinking downstream, so 311 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:37.599 you regulate this emerging technology, right this this emerging industry right of Okay, 312 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:45.680 we need the current holders of u AP non human intelligence technology or non human 313 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:51.720 bio biologics biology sorry biologically. You have to disclose that you have it, 314 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.480 give us, you know, keep it in the derivative classification level, which 315 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:57.599 means that if it's TSSCI that you have it, it stays at tss C 316 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:03.680 I. However, you'll do this, close it to the to the the 317 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.559 legislating UH committees that are the proper ones, and and you can legislate this. 318 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:14.119 It's not very hard. You must create an unclassified annex describing what you 319 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:19.200 have and uh, you know size weight, and that you are in the 320 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:26.160 I guess the that's all you need, size away three x three non human 321 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.920 intelligence technology, that's metal boom. That's it. You have disclosure. You're 322 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.119 done. We got disclosure. Now they hold that technology. So you have 323 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:38.359 it at you know, UH, Defense contractor number one, you have some 324 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:42.000 at Defense contractor number two, you have some at the college level. And 325 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:48.039 then there's an unclassified open report. We have disclosure. We crossed the line, 326 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.519 and then science can start saying, oh shit, this is real and 327 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.000 they us start looking at it. So instead of having the you know, 328 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.759 have lawsuits and all the money that these corporations is, if they are holding 329 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.920 stuff, have dumped into this of their own money. Arguably maybe, But 330 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.519 once it's disclosed, you can always tighten the screws later. You know. 331 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:15.079 Let's just get over the line. Get the industry that's currently potentially holding these 332 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:21.119 things in line with the regulations, work with them to be in compliance and 333 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.160 then regulate it. And you could even model it, you know, instead 334 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:29.559 of modeling this after the JFK documents that are still not fucking public, model 335 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.640 it after the Controlled Substance Act that even though everybody they'll put you know a 336 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.880 lot of people are against the Controlled Substance Act, right, it worked in 337 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.240 a capacity that you would locate drugs, you could lose law, you could 338 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.920 use law enforcement to enter where they are, and you could seize property through 339 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:52.960 it. So you could do forfeiture laws that are similar to controlled substance laws 340 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.599 where if you are not in compliance, if you do not disclose that you 341 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:03.160 are holding anhi tech and non human biolog biologics. But that's that's that's going 342 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.799 to kill me right now. That okay, now you're not in compliance now 343 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:12.319 because you are breaking law. It's an act. We can use existing law 344 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:18.079 enforcements. So we're not reinventing the wheel. We're not creating these different infrastructures. 345 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:19.680 We're like, hey, they brought the just broke creder law x y 346 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:25.920 Z Okay, FBI go get a search warrant, go in there. Then 347 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.119 you have a bunch of pencil push and FBI guys that go through their books, 348 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.759 and then you seize the billions of dollars of industry that they that they've 349 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.599 had from it because they are not in compliance the UAP Disclosure Act that's regulating 350 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:42.119 the future industry. And then even if i'm I'm probably run around a lot. 351 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.359 But even if we you did eminent domain. So even if you did 352 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:51.160 eminent domain and it goes to this board, then you have to hand it 353 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.160 over to you know, somebody to study it. That's a private entity, 354 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.599 and then you're going to have to regulate how they handle it, what they 355 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.359 do with that. So you're basically we're skipping a step, or like, 356 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.440 no, let's just regulate it so that if even if it hasn't happened yet, 357 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:11.000 if the UFO crashes or some alien probe comes down and lands in Wisconsin, 358 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.079 it's on the books. So if it doesn't come out now, it's 359 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.039 on the books a thousand years from now. That's the probe that's shot out 360 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.359 from ze Articula. Now that lands here a thousand years from now, You're 361 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.720 like, oh shit, go to page so and so to National Defense was 362 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.599 active twenty twenty five. All right, it says that uh, you know, 363 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:36.039 you gotta do this with it's let's just regulate it. Let's just let 364 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:40.839 me bring something up here on a broader level. It's just inconsistent with current 365 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.279 American sort of values, political and otherwise. It would be like if Fugel 366 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.640 and Company found something on their property and all of a sudden the task Force, 367 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.759 someone from the task Force marched in and took it and maybe did it 368 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:57.599 on camera. I mean, so it's just it. It was a lark 369 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:03.039 from the word go, and I almost think it was put in there to 370 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.640 make it to make the legislation fail. But I'm not going to continue on 371 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.160 that because I'm going to pass it over to these other guys and I'm going 372 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.359 to come back around because I got a whole nother question for you. But 373 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:21.960 it's not consistent with American values. I think. Just it would discourage you 374 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.880 know, someone like Fugal to dig if there's an amially under the ground there. 375 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.359 If he digs it up and it's a something that potentially is you know, 376 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.400 a billion years old that cross here a long time ago from a former 377 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:40.039 civilization or whatever it is, then the government just comes and sees it, 378 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:41.920 and then this board says what to do with it. It's just it's not 379 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:47.279 it's it's dangerous because it can be used against you. You know, it's 380 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.839 it's you know, it's bringing a gun to a fist fight when it's just 381 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.440 a fistfight. You just introduced a gun where it's you know, now you're 382 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.000 fighting over a gun, because that that board is going to have all the 383 00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.880 power and it can be it was against you just as easy as it can 384 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.799 be used for you. And it's putting all of that information in the in 385 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:11.240 the one organization. It just I don't like it because it's just it scares 386 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.160 me because you know, it might it might be, you know, the 387 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.480 first round might be on our side, but the second round, you know, 388 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.359 if you know, again, like a defense contractor that has a trillion 389 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.599 dollar budget just tarts the line and pockets they can increase those wheels for the 390 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.480 next election cycle to get on that board and then boom, they own it 391 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.559 and then they have property back and they have the power to legally do what 392 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.240 they want with it because those people decide, yeah, we can't we certainly 393 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.519 can't give that much pay it be like the Jedi Council, right, Nathan, 394 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:47.279 you know, they they voted for Anakin Skywalker and that was a great 395 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:55.519 eye. Actually maybe it wasn't right. It's the Clone Army, basically the 396 00:30:55.599 --> 00:31:02.519 clone Army, whether like we need this to fight against the droid army. 397 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.279 And then it turns around you're like, we just we just created our what 398 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:19.759 was used against us. But they never taught them to shoot. I'll point 399 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.839 out Princess Leiah doesn't know how to shoot either. When she's in the whole 400 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.920 hallway when they have to go across, she takes like fifty shots and I 401 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.119 think she maybe nails one. Maybe that's true, she could We should check 402 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.279 her marksmanship call. I'd like to see what her what her scores were out 403 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.559 in the range personally, but that's another matter money, Nathan take it away. 404 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.440 Yeah, well, so, I mean I have a lot of questions, 405 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.200 so we could get a lot of different directions. But you know, 406 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:51.240 there have been rumors about potential I don't know if they were executive orders or 407 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:56.119 or or you know, pieces of little legislation that are sort of hidden from 408 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.839 the public record that there's there's rumors about this. There may have been some 409 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.240 sort of edict of some kind in the past that has set up a kind 410 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:08.279 of you know, sort of secret classification or you know, some sort of 411 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.319 entire system that allows these secret keepers to do what they do unfettered from the 412 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.559 laws that are on the books now. And so I'm curious, you know, 413 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.119 does this to some degree feel like kind of asymmetric To kind of borrow 414 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:30.079 the metaphor from earlier, an asymmetric warfare where you know, you're really fighting 415 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.240 against an opponent that where you may not even know all of the cards that 416 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.359 they have to play, not know all the tools that they have to bring 417 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:43.039 to the fight. And so, you know, how would you go about 418 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:47.079 engaging in in kind of turning the tide there. So that's kind of one 419 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.279 aspect of this question. But the other aspect of it is, this is 420 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.359 such a big issue. It's not just like a US thing, you know. 421 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:57.680 Is there is there any sort of international framework that we could bring to 422 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.599 bear on this topic as well, because it seems like would have to be 423 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.359 inevitably an international matter to a certain degree. I guess. So, I 424 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.279 guess you got the executive, the legislation, and the judicial. So you 425 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:14.519 got the three branch of the government. So the executive makes their executive orders, 426 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:22.079 and the legislation makes you know, the laws and the judicial has basically 427 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.079 I believe it has said that. You know, if if the judicial, 428 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.240 sorry, if the legislation hasn't spoken on the matter, then the executive could 429 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:36.640 potential could act on it, so especially if they've never you know, expressly 430 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.359 acted on it. Right, these the three power dynamic of our government. 431 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.039 So you have the executive branch, let's say that they created but if they 432 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:50.759 created an executive order in the nineteen fifties and everything has kind of been you 433 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.799 know downstream from that where I'm acting under executive orders zero zero zero one, 434 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.960 and I you know, it's my best understanding and good faith. I'm acting 435 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.160 in the you know, the under the law because there's been no law created 436 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.039 to say that I'm doing is wrong. You know, you're if you're in 437 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:13.840 was it Minnesota or whatever the state had no speed limits and you're driving two 438 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.840 hundred miles an hour down the road because there's no posted speed limit, nobody 439 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.920 stops you. And then all of a sudden, you know that it's where 440 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.639 I like going to the regulation versus them of the domain. You know, 441 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.480 this just kind of ties into that, is Okay, if all of a 442 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.360 sudden you create a sixty mile an hour zone. I'm not right going to 443 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.440 write you a ticket for what you did six years ago. You go two 444 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.199 hundred miles an hour on the road. You were acting, I guess in 445 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.639 a legal capacity then, but also what was legal fifty years ago might not 446 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.679 be legal now. You know, laws change or culture changes. You know 447 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.960 what we find acceptable? Uh, you know what, we need to create 448 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.119 those laws and in order to do it, to enforce them. And because 449 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:59.880 the legislation has never I don't thay you've spoken on this matter, they arguably 450 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.239 and again this is actually discussion with that we've had. When you get you 451 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.400 know, ten attorneys together talking about matters, it's okay, let's blush this 452 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.679 out, you know. And this is also not a topic that you know, 453 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.960 academic or legal law review articles not being written about yet. But because 454 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.519 we have a pretty you know, group of individuals that are go getters and 455 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.840 some that are really really really really like to get after it, are now 456 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:29.079 in communication with some and then they there might be some you know right about 457 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:30.559 that. Okay, if there's a law and acted in executive order in the 458 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:36.559 fifties that came out, you know, how would you know change that or 459 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.360 what would what would come about, you know, legislating this now. And 460 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.920 yeah, that's that's actually been one of our conversations that when we when we 461 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:52.280 need to talk, so you would you would need the legislation to draft and 462 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.800 have that pass. Now. The thing is is, so you have if 463 00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.599 if hypothetical, if there is an executive power that has been untouched all of 464 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:06.519 these years, an executive might not want the president would not might not want 465 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.840 to disclose that they have this power and this ability to do these things, 466 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:14.800 because then the next one won't and it might open up the whole can of 467 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:20.119 worms of what the executive before me did before them, before them. So 468 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.760 again, this this that could be as as Lewis said, sometimes that that 469 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.800 rotten fruit that nobody's really gone into and dug out. But the leg as 470 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.960 far as I know, until recently, the legislation has not really tackled this 471 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:38.920 subject. So hopefully they if they're meeting and they're drafting this now, hopefully 472 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.559 they're thinking not just now, but they're thinking downstream, and you know, 473 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.199 you know, some this could be some minor adjustments written in the National Defense 474 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.199 Authorization Act that creates sweeping change. You don't need all you have to do 475 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:59.199 is write, you know, a reporting requirement just like one line you know, 476 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:06.320 all shall make an unclassified annex of all reports. So anything that goes 477 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.559 to arrow at the derivative classification level, which means that you know, if 478 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:14.039 if you collected something on a top secret sci or you know, uh, 479 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:21.400 satellite or underwater. If you if you collected information or data on an unclassified 480 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.239 sorry on a classified sensor system, that information on the is now derivatively classified 481 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.599 at the same level because you don't want reveal the source and method of how 482 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:31.880 you collected it. However, if you make, if you create the requirement 483 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:39.599 that you shall make an unclassified annex of your report, then now we're on 484 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.440 record. It's like, okay, there's a UAP report of you know, 485 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:52.639 something entering exiting your atmosphere or moving these uh uh moving at you know strange 486 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.800 ways. All you need is report that it unclassified report could just be like 487 00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.519 report made by the end I to arrow and that's it. So now you 488 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.320 have a record. Holy, this is where all the reports are coming from. 489 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.159 So you don't really and maybe if you can put some type of une 490 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:15.480 classified narrative in there, small metallic object you know, picked up on cross 491 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.039 by a censor system. That's it, one line, and all you have 492 00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.360 to do. You don't have to do a crazy legislation. I have to 493 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:27.840 do is write, create, create the reporting requirement in the National Sense Authorization 494 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.000 Act. And it's it's up to the organizations to be in compliance with that. 495 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:36.440 So, okay, you make a classified report to ARROW or any other 496 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:43.000 or to the committees or however the legislation's dropped now and I shall make an 497 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.079 unclassified report. And I know it's possible. I was an intelligence analyst in 498 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:51.840 the Marines. I was I was read into different compartments with the tops of 499 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.559 your clearance. I would have information, but my trigger pullers, my trigger 500 00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:00.280 pullers are all, you know, a bunch of door kicking marine and they 501 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.880 need the information so that they can execute on the target. So I need 502 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.920 to figure out a way to provide information in my marines that keeps them alive 503 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.880 that was maybe collected at the classified level. So if I have to, 504 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:19.440 you know, hand draw a rock on a target or brief the pilot say 505 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.880 hey, this is there's a five there's a higher than five degree slope on 506 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:27.800 this open field, don't land there. But I learned that on the top 507 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.440 secret level, but I kept my pilot alive by telling them on an unclassified 508 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.719 level. Then you do it. So you create the requirement and then it's 509 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.119 up to the organization that collected at the high side to get it down to 510 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:43.039 the public and just and then it shall be disclosed to the public. Make 511 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.440 an unclassified report that's released once a year, and then you'll see all the 512 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:52.280 reports. One of the problems is that I'm sorry, goody, just you 513 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.639 don't need to do, you know, crazy legislation to do sweeping, you 514 00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.800 know, changes. You don't need to go out and say I'm going to 515 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.400 change the world. All I have to do is invact a longer lasting light 516 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.920 bulb and that that in effect changes the world. Hey, Sean. One 517 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.320 of the problems is you could have a Jwick SharePoint where the webmaster has like 518 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.239 seven people that have access to that folder and that that folder could contain, 519 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.960 could could contain information that at a specific department or at a specific end of 520 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.360 our country, maybe seven people have access to that that folder and that so 521 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.320 if you're an investigator, you're looking for something you don't know exists, and 522 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:36.159 that that can be that could be problematic if you know if you don't and 523 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.119 I have access to that that SharePoint of that folder. But anyway, let's 524 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:45.599 let's we have we have eighteen minutes left, so let's get deb in there, 525 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.000 and let's get court in there, and then I've got another question for 526 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.559 you, my friend Debs. I want to change this into a more social 527 00:40:54.719 --> 00:41:00.480 question for you. This is something that I don't understand about this. We 528 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:07.840 have some of the most educated and arguably intelligent people, including doctors, scientists, 529 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:13.960 administrators, lawyers, and so forth, interested in the UAP topic, 530 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:20.440 and yet for some reason, people are more inclined to listen to video game 531 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.760 streamers and video game developers on this topic. So please explain to me what 532 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:32.159 is going on with that. So I guess from my experience is so when 533 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.159 you write, when you write a legal memo, you put all the information 534 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.199 you want that judge to read in like the first three lines, and then 535 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.440 you end up, you know, in undating them with that like a giant 536 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.440 legal all the case law and everything else. But you want to make sure 537 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.079 that they get the gist of it. You know, that's not the first 538 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.559 three lines. That's that's that's inaccurate. Okay, I'll get eviscerated by other 539 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.119 attorneys. But you want to make sure that you know they're going to get 540 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.199 to the point if they do a summary brief around you know, some uh, 541 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.599 some are some are really look at it. You want to make sure 542 00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.400 that the information gets them. So you need to package the information that you're 543 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.920 trying to get to your audience in a way that they're going to receive it. 544 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:22.239 So and that that might be something that you discuss with the individual or 545 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.559 group, like, Hey, we're trying to express this information to the to 546 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.639 the world, and we're trying to convince the world that our information is correct. 547 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.880 So like you got to really know your audience if you're trying to accomplish 548 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:39.199 you know, you know, trying to get public opinion on your side. 549 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:46.519 Okay, Sean, I want you and all these doctors and scientists and all 550 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:52.519 these other really brilliant people to start streaming video games. Well you just so 551 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.400 you can package. You need the scientists to talk to the scientists, but 552 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:01.159 you also need to have a person, a lay person that's that's also a 553 00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:06.320 scientist to be able to you know, translate that to the lay person, 554 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.800 you know, or to how do I get this information that is above all 555 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.760 our head and explain it to somebody, you know, you know, walk 556 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:19.480 into a you know, platoon of marines and explain it to them where they're 557 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.159 gonna go, you know, then they're gonna go out and do what they 558 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.559 gotta do. Right, So yeah, you're just gonna make sure you package 559 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.239 it in a way that your audience or you're going to be able to consume 560 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.880 it. So that that's kind of it's it's it's it's on the person that's 561 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.480 trying to relay the information. If I'm in front of a jury and it's 562 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.920 a jury from you know, Boston, I'm gonna probably talk a certain way. 563 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.239 If I go to Georgia, I'm probably gonna talk a certain way. 564 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.840 I might change my language. I might decide to introduce evidence in a different 565 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.880 angle or at a different time because I have a jury that I'm trying to 566 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.400 convince that the information I'm providing in front of them is the more correct information 567 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:04.880 than the person that's supposing. So let's we want to hear the next answer 568 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:13.519 in southie complete soufie. So go ahead, Core, Okay, bear with 569 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.880 me, because I had like a light bulb moment today, and so you 570 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.440 might not have the answer to this, but I'm just going to throw it 571 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.719 out there. So you know, I was in a space last night. 572 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.679 I couldn't get it on my own phone, so I went in on a 573 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.280 friend so nobody knew I was in the space, which was kind of nice, 574 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.360 so I could just listen without feeling any social pressure. And I heard 575 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.280 a lot of information that I had never heard before in any of the in 576 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.360 any of the UFO history program names, other things. I mean, just 577 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:46.159 a huge dump of information. So I'm just wondering, how would you recommend 578 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.559 if people read that transcript and they download it and they look at all that 579 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:59.679 information, how can we facilitate either moving those program names into the actual NDA 580 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.119 process that's happening with the recordization release. I mean, what would you recommend 581 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.599 for people that are really doing activism or tuning into this, maybe even for 582 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.480 the first time, and they want to follow these programs, how can they 583 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:15.159 get to their local person in Congress to make sure those specific records would be 584 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.920 released under the new Act. I know there's a timeline coming, and you 585 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.920 know they have to approve things through different you know, groups of the ICE, 586 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:28.800 But what would you recommend for just common folk. I honestly have to 587 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.000 go back through the NBA Nation Authorization Act to see the reporting requirements and who 588 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.960 that's supposed to go to. I summarily looked at it earlier, but I 589 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:43.679 don't I wouldn't want to misquote it. Can you message me and then I 590 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.199 could get back to you on that. I don't think I'm connected you, 591 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.199 but I think I can message DJ, so I'll follow up with yea J, 592 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:54.760 you're Courtney connected, connect with anybody? It's okay. I actually don't 593 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.000 want to put any more work on you, really, so you don't have 594 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.320 to do any follow up. I actually just wanted to ask ask you the 595 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.320 question because my curioosity was kind of going and I was like, this would 596 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:07.119 be a good thing for us in the UAP community to actually do activism on 597 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.800 within the government. Though the government agencies and organizations are need to be in 598 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:19.719 compliance with providing whatever information in their holdings over to the archives and then I 599 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.920 think at at the classification level and or bring it down. So if it 600 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:29.599 is a holding, however, when it's on the unclassified side, perhaps this 601 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.639 might be an approach that someone could use when there is an unclassified report, 602 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:39.079 take the information that you have and then synthesize it with what is being public 603 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:46.119 disclosed, see if there's any discrepancies, and then potentially then through investigative work, 604 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:52.320 if there's ever any complaints that are filed to discovery, or if there 605 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:58.320 is a potential whistleblower or some type of action or an individual that comes forward 606 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.519 and maybe says that there is you know, rules and laws or regulations being 607 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.239 broken and here's the information that was not disclosed that might be actionable. So 608 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.000 yeah, that's what I was wondering. I was wondering about the discrepancy part, 609 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.599 you know, mainly like taking the transcripts and just doing that parallel process 610 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:19.519 with the stuff that you know might be released and the timing of it. 611 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.559 Thank you, yep. And again, so there's gonna be stuff that is 612 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:28.079 going to be able to be the stay classified. So through I guess through 613 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:32.599 a local legislation, congress person or you know, the allies that we have 614 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.920 and there's people that we have been in communication with or whatever. There might 615 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:43.199 be avenues. But building your network, the correct network and maybe not showing 616 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:49.000 your cards until it's time to show your cards. You know, it might 617 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.039 be an approach to take the voice you're hearing right there is that of Attorney 618 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:59.159 Sean Muger, also known as Bob plus Skin on Twitter. He is a 619 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:04.119 not only he's a UAP advocate, he's a marine. He's my homie. 620 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.880 And he looks like he has a deployment beard right now, or at least 621 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.840 what I would have imagined him on deployment, because last time he was super 622 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:15.440 clean shaven. This is calling all Beings. Next, we worry about two 623 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:21.880 weeks away from being on Untold Radio network. That is the only place that 624 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:28.639 you will find Calling All Beings on YouTube or podcast. So more to come 625 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.159 on that. Nathan will have some stuff out there so you can find where 626 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:37.000 we at. Sean. Last question, we have about ten minutes to go. 627 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.320 The reason that I want you to finish this sentence for me please so 628 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.440 that we can get inside you as a person as it relates to UAP specifically. 629 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:57.039 The reason this topic resonates with me and I'm passionate about it is, 630 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:09.239 I guess from my life's journey, I've so I actually have a tattoo down 631 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:14.760 the back of my arms veritas, which is truth, and I got that 632 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:21.119 shortly after my first apployment and as an intelligence analyst and the information that you 633 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:27.400 come across and you synthesize and you turn information into intelligence, and your life 634 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:34.159 experiences and seeing the world and different countries and different cultures, and there's I 635 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:38.159 think truth is something that I guess needs to be pursued, but I think 636 00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:44.559 perspective, you know, in the angles that you're coming at it are have 637 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.719 a really big influence on it. So like my truth might not be your 638 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:53.519 truth, and especially with the human experience, I guess through through that on 639 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:59.320 my journey is is that you know, you have you know, an investigative 640 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:05.840 work as you know, the marine and atturning and fleshing out more information from 641 00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.639 an individual. It's it's that that that pursuit of truth and what is truth 642 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.480 and what is purpose? And what is what is that? And I feel 643 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:20.559 that you know, there's there's there's there's there's an unknown here, There's there's 644 00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.679 a lot of allegations, there's a lot of claims. There's there's a lot 645 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:29.480 of people that you know are not perfect, people that may have had experiences 646 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:31.920 and want to to say that you know, you know, you can have 647 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.000 uh, a crazy person, be a witness to a murder that like that's 648 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.960 just it is what it is, you know, So you're gonna have these 649 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:47.360 those uh do that happened And it's just I guess the pursuit of truth and 650 00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:53.280 whatever it is. But there's definitely threads and smoke and there's you know, 651 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:59.639 all over the place, and there's nothing wrong with pursuing you know, what 652 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.519 is that you know, if there's smoke around, you know, coming out 653 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:05.320 of a house. You know, there's people that just keep driving. There's 654 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.960 people that say, oh, they probably just have a fire going. There's 655 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:09.199 other people that knock on the door and say, hey, I just want 656 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:13.360 to make sure your house isn't burning down. You know. There's some people 657 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.760 you know that they'll see they'll they'll they'll burst in the door and they'll drag 658 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.920 people out. So I'm more of an individual that you know, if I 659 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.840 see trash on the ground, I'll pick it up, I'll throw it, 660 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.320 throw it away. So and this is just something that uh, you know, 661 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.559 it deserves to be looked at. If you deserve to be looked at 662 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:32.679 seriously. Uh, individuals need to be uh deserved to at least be listened 663 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:37.960 to and then uh you know, allow them the room to you know, 664 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:44.519 tell their story. I mean as as a litigation attorney, that the stuff 665 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.639 that comes in there and you're like, wow, that I was not expecting 666 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:51.000 that. And as you go through you start seeing that, you know, 667 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:53.320 there's some imperfect stuff and there's some incredible things that are that are that are 668 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:58.280 not beelievable that happened. You know, just sit in any courtroom at any 669 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.760 day, you're like, holy, what's this story? You know, sit 670 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.559 in the trial you're like, well, you never believe that, but it's 671 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.199 the truth. It's what came out. And I think that this, this 672 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.440 subject deserves that, and the truth does. If there if there is a 673 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.719 non human intelligence, if there's something, if there's if it's spiritual, if 674 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.719 it's demons, if it's whatever the hell it is, it deserves to be 675 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.719 known about. We deserve and we we we we rate knowing what our what 676 00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.360 our existence is. So it hasn't touched you personally, is kind of where 677 00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:29.280 I was going. I try to stay away from my personal experiences. I've 678 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.480 definitely shared you know, what I may or may not have you know, 679 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:42.559 come across at some points because again I feel like if if I had discussed 680 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.079 those, that becomes the focus and that's that's and I'm not going to move 681 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:52.119 the ball down with the information that I'm aware of or believe or that's not 682 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.440 going to do any help that anything that's not can be used against me, 683 00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.519 because somebody's gonna looking at it. They're gonna they're gonna go clip this and 684 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.400 say, Sean Monger believes X, Y, and Z and now he's just 685 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:06.880 doing confirmation bias. And that's that is absolutely not the route that I ever 686 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.840 want to go. You know, show me wrong, and if anything, 687 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.760 it's you know, I tried, I try to, you know, stay 688 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.239 open everything. I just listen, you know, I wait, I confirm 689 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.000 what I can, I deny what I can, and and I guess at 690 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:27.119 the end of the day, I am the individual that is probably building I'm 691 00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.480 I'm building a packet on you. If you're working in the background, and 692 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.840 if you're lying, you know, we're going to figure that out so they 693 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.440 don't be coming forward with bullshit because you know, we're gonna get rid of 694 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:44.519 you as quickly as we can because we're trying to clear them out of this 695 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:50.440 water. That's two half dollars in the cursing jar from selfie. That's too 696 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:57.679 half This one is my favorite actually from tonight. Yeah, that's a big 697 00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:59.880 takeaway from me. I mean, I'm going to start doing that people on 698 00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:04.599 the street and see what they do in response to me. I know, 699 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.639 I want to say, you'll know, like if you've watched Cab enough, 700 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:12.480 we're not going to ask you about your personal business and you to share what 701 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.400 your experience is. The question was really centered around had it touched you personally? 702 00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.800 And it obviously has in some way. The details of that are for 703 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:27.000 whom you want to share that with and nobody else. This show respects that 704 00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.599 in regards that we don't need to know what that experience was, but just 705 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:36.239 that it touched you. With that, let's go with Cabby goodbyes, starting 706 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:42.719 with Courtney Connected your new homie. Hey, it was great to meet you. 707 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.559 I have heard about you, and I wish you luck and all of 708 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.840 your endeavors. Legally for all the people involved, and I do hope you 709 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.159 get on that humor legislation. I think it would be really good to have 710 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:57.760 more people involved with it. It seems like a very small circle. We're 711 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.480 not hearing much information. And since this is a law that really you know, 712 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:05.280 affects, you know, the whole US and all our population and all 713 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.280 our voters and everything. It would be nice to have more people involved with 714 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:13.159 it and not be such a small siry's I guess it's potentially you want to 715 00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:15.960 bring people with the posing views into your conversations, in your planning cells, 716 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:20.079 into your you know, when you're doing something, or if not, you 717 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.920 might ed up with an echo chamber and you're not going to see, you 718 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.280 know, what the other person sees. So that's why that's that's why I 719 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.440 constantly engage with people that are on the posing side or the posing idea of 720 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:35.079 mine. I try to There's there's definitely some bad actors in the in the 721 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.119 Twitter sphere, but I try to engage with them, especially if they engage 722 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.960 me respectfully, because I might be fucking wrong. I might have missed something. 723 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.199 I might you know, I don't know, they might have picked something 724 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.800 up. So I'm I'm going to give them the respect that they give me, 725 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:51.480 or I'll at least lead with respect because I could be wrong and I 726 00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.159 might have missed something. And if I surround myself with a bunch of yes 727 00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:58.880 people or people that think that my way of you know, legal solution is 728 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:02.679 right, then I might might have missed something, you know that you know, 729 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.960 it might have been easier or might have actually accomplished the goal that we 730 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:12.280 were looking for, and it would be reminded of stake Gold oriented, you 731 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:14.039 know, try not to get caught up with it, like, Okay, 732 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.400 what's the goal of this, you know, what is the goal of you 733 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.320 know, putting this information out because we want this, you know, to 734 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:28.280 occur and uh, you know, as as was mentioned earlier about the front 735 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:30.800 and the sort of movement, and if you're in another country, if you're 736 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.719 in the UK, if you're in Australia, if you're in Spain, if 737 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.480 you're in Italy, engage with your government and your representatives on this issue. 738 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.559 To just serve Twitter and look at what's going on in the US space is 739 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:49.079 not going it's a it's a it's a unified front, and you have to 740 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:55.079 flank that unified front in order to divert resources and assets to uh, to 741 00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:00.360 speak to to to it, and to defend against it. So age with 742 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.519 your government wherever you are, and your representatives on this topic. And don't 743 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:10.400 think that just watching the US Twitter space and following US legislation is necessarily going 744 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:15.280 to do it because we are not the only ones that have these occurrences nor 745 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:24.079 have information about these occurrences. They're occurring all over the world. So yeah, 746 00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:30.679 so my question earlier was really because I don't understand how people are taking 747 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:36.199 lately what you're saying, and you didn't respond lately. You were responded very 748 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.320 seriously, and I want to point that out to people who were listening that 749 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:47.239 there are very intelligent people working on this subject that we need to respect and 750 00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:53.320 listen to. And I thank you very much for the sorry, and I 751 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:59.519 thank you very much for the service that you're providing people from that approach and 752 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.559 a service that you've provided for your country and the service that you're going to 753 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:08.159 continue to provide for the world. Thank you, Thank you, mo nay 754 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:14.239 Nathan. Yeah, Sean, it's been a real pleasure. You've you've highlighted 755 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.719 the various reasons why this is such a complicated topic. I mean, it's 756 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.920 it's a it's an onion in an onion. Really, there's so many layers 757 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.039 to this, and you know, I think we're starting to see cracks in 758 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:29.559 that shield wall that you talked about earlier. It's certainly not the case at 759 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.280 least from my perspective, that there's a singular agency or authority that's just sort 760 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.000 of guarding all the secrets that that really has secrets that are highly compartmentalized, 761 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:42.079 and we're going to have to get some breaks there from one of those compartments 762 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.280 in order to I think, crack this open. So I applaud the efforts 763 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.000 that that you're making here and the alliances that you're making with other attorneys. 764 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:52.960 We need people like you on this topic, people who are dedicated to it, 765 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:57.679 who are thoughtful and really bringing some excellent analysis to the subjects. So 766 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.599 appreciate the work that you're doing. Really look forward to catching up with you 767 00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:05.000 in the future as things continue to unfold and we're pulling for you. So 768 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.920 keep up the great work. Thank you, Thank you, Shauna. I 769 00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:15.360 want to echo what Nathan said. I also want to tell people that if 770 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:21.599 you go to the dbrief dot org, you can find Sean's writings and reporting 771 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:27.079 there. And Seawan is a multi tool player. He is not only engaging 772 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.880 in the Twitter space like we all are and occasionally going on a podcast, 773 00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:37.840 but he's also, as he mentioned, engage with other lawyers. He's engaged 774 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:42.239 with other journalists like the whole staff at the debrief, and he's shown a 775 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:49.840 talent for being able to write about and provide some perspective on this disclosure effort. 776 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:55.840 You really are a true warrior, and I admire you what you're doing, 777 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.360 which is vastly more significant than what I'm doing, which is why I 778 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:08.199 wanted to have you on here, because I know that how you put yourself 779 01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:14.519 out there on several different areas to advocate for this topic, and it doesn't 780 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:20.079 seem like you're backing down anytime soon. So if you want to sort of 781 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.880 emulate Sean, look for how you can do this wherever you are, what 782 01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:29.440 he's he's doing, and leverage your talents against this requirement. So thank you 783 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.440 so much, John, I really do appreciate you being here, sir. 784 01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:37.119 Thank you. I'm just I hope that you know the time, the free 785 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:38.320 time that I do dedicate to this, and I want to make sure that 786 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.719 it's you know, I hopefully I can assist when I can, you know, 787 01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.079 help others in their endeavors and the goals that they're trying to achieve as 788 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.559 well. And I a person understands that it's you know, I'm not trying 789 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.960 to score the touchdown. I just want to make sure that whatever effort that 790 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.880 i'm you know, a part of the team, I'm actually adding value. 791 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.440 So I don't want to add noise. I just want to add value if 792 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.800 in when I can, and then keep my mouth all the rest of the 793 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.119 time. So I thank you for having the others on. Hopefully I was 794 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:08.760 able to help or make you think, maybe think a little bit outside a 795 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.880 little bit and you like, oh, maybe that might be a potential least 796 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.800 listening to or to consider, you know, a different opinion. So thank 797 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:19.840 you for listening to me, and thank you for allowing me to speak. 798 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.320 I appreciate it. Thank you, I appreciate it. We will see you 799 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.760 again. So check us out, give us a like and a subscribe, 800 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.639 if you would comment any of those things that sort of help the metrics. 801 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.719 As we move over to the network, we want them to know that they 802 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.480 getting a good product in here. We're bringing people on like Bob Pliskin, 803 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:45.760 So thank you very much. On behalf of Bob Poliskin also known as Sean 804 01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:51.000 Munger and Courtney Connected and Debs and Nathan. This is DJ is saying peace 805 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:55.239 out, one love, We'll see you down the road and We're always wondering 806 01:01:55.440 --> 01:02:00.480 what's up around the bends.