Can I get a yeah? Two times and twenty four hours. Welcome back
to Calling All Beings. I'm your host DJ, along with the partiers that
are in the building, my co conspirators in Fun, Entertaining and Positive UAP
discussed shown even though the guest isn't from Louisiana and Courtney's not gonna say his
name during her intro, Right, Courtney, Yeah, I too, love
man, Come on when you guys lighten up. I just got doomed doing
high yoga man Wednesday back. I didn't even sleep after yesterday's show. I
just I've been up for twenty four hours, just sitting right here, ready
to go for the next show. That's my dedication to this show, this
to the platform. I think it's time for us to raise the bar.
Oh no, look at what just bringing, Courtney. You've been plowing the
fields in Pennsylvania. What the hell's going on over there? Well, it
was good. I got to Pennsylvania yesterday and tonight there was a breaking bread
dinner where all the ladies, all the local ladies come together and we share
a nice dinner together. And I was telling these guys before we came on,
I would give them one guess what the political table talk was tonight.
So are you gonna guess? DJ? No, I'm not because I love
politics that much. What was it? UFOs? Yes, that's not political.
Man. I can dig it. I can dig a courtney. I'm
gonna tell you at home, girl, you got some stuff going on because
the topic you've been covering lately, uh was perfect for this guest. He's
gonna try to help in the same endeavor that you've been working with. So
we super duper excited. So without further yeah, putty, people put those
hands together. From my man from the us MC who don't got out and
said, you don't think I can be a lawyer? What what what?
I'm gonna pass that el sat and I'm gonna be an attorney. You're gonna
call me Sean Munger esquire, I put those hands together for snake or wait
a minute, Bob Buskin zero nine also known as Sean Munger. I'm gonna
get it, man, Okay, I'm radioing tonight. Good Man. Welcome,
brother, welcome, thank you for having me back, Thank you for
having me back. Good to see your face. I know we've talked in
the phone a couple of times, but it's good. Good to see your
face. Most people don't say that, so I'm really glad to hear that.
So people are like, you know what, you're better on the phone,
so or you look better on the phone. So I'm really gratified to
hear that thing here. Only made my night. Courtney, that was quick.
She's so mute. All right, So, Sean, you know all
the Cabby's, We all know you. Uh, it's an honor to have
you here. You are a disclosure. Oh look who's there. It's Vinnie
Adams back. Okay, So let's just recognize a couple of people. Uh
So, first of all, before we go into the people that we want
to recognize here, Julie is out tonight. I know she had family last
night and sounded like she didn't have a very good night or day. So
on behalf of calling all beings. We love you, Jewels, and hope
that you're able to push through whatever this is and we get you back on
here. You're a very integral part of what we're doing. I also want
to say hi to Caroen Encounters Carolina Tim from All Things Unexplained. Man,
if you haven't been on their show, Sean, Tim and CJ and Smitty
are brilliant. They're our friends. In fact, we got to book a
show and we're gonna get them back on. We're gonna do the Cabby and
all things don't explain roundtable. They also hooked us up with Thomas Winterton.
So what we had last night, we would not have had Thomas Winterton without
the help of Tim, just like without Vinnie Adams, we wouldn't have like
four or five different guests that he's helped us get and Frenzy's helped us mate,
So thank you Vinnie, and let's get get with it. Nathan.
Let let's let's start it off with you man. Sure, well, so
Seawan and I I work with attorneys and so I kind of a little bit
about what that world is like. But I was thinking today, you've had
some some different training in your life. You've been trained as a marine and
then you've been trained as an attorney. And I was just kind of before
we get started in and Intel as well, you know what overlaps do you
see in those trainings and where do you see those things different? What skills
from from you know, Marine corps have really sort of you brought to the
attorney world. I guess. Let me first, before I get going,
I get to throw out the disclaimer. So everything I say here I represent
is my opinion in mine only. It doesn't represent my current employer or former
employers or any other organizations that I'm associated with. This is strictly myself or
any other groups of attorneys that I'm working with or in any capacity. So
again, anything I say would be my opinion, and if we actually get
into some of that, it would show I could hopefully discuss maybe the strengths
of having disagreements in the organizations that that you have and how that actually rushes
things out. So let's just want to start off with a disclaimer that you
know, everything I say tonight isbody from Shawn Munger. But to your question,
so, I guess from my background as an intelligence anaeist in the Marines,
I did two deployments with twenty six Marines Feeditionary Unit. My second appointment
deployment, I was the senior intelligence analyst with the with the man element.
I guess from that training experience of real world missions everything from neo to you
know, combat to UH direct action missions. UH, just be able to
understand that every action you want to do an action with intent to have a
what the outcome that you're looking for, So you're not just randomly doing things.
So if you're gonna make a move, you want to know what the
intent of what that move is to do. And from I guess those experiences
threat analysis understanding that you know, whatever action I have, the enemy is
going to react, and then what's going to be my uh my action then
what's gonna be with their reaction? And it's basically the understanding that once you
really kick something off, the plan kind of changes and evolves. So even
though you might hit that first brick wall, it's like, okay, now
we've got to go over it, under it, around it, through it,
and just having that same amount of capacity to just kind of, you
know, roll with it and then accomplishing the mission. And as an attorney,
I guess that'd be the same exact thing. You know, you have
your client that comes in the door, they tell you their set of facts.
Through discovery, you start learning different facts or you know, potential facts
or different perspectives and then you know what which facts are amissible in court,
which one are you know, a public opinion, and then how to get
that information into a court case if it is going to end up go that
way, or if it's just gonna be leveraged in some type of negotiated settlement.
So I guess a lot of that really just lend's over because you know,
the mission is to accomplish the goals of your client versus you know,
in your marines or your combat or whatever it is, to accomplish the goals
or whatever that specific mission is. So I guess that's where there is a
lot of overlap. Yeah, a lot, And I'm sure that like really
enhances the work to you do as an attorney and certainly relates to the work
that you're trying to do now. So it's wonder if you could kind of
set the stage for the audience on you know, some of the projects that
you're working on now, what you're really trying to put your energy behind in
the UAP space. So at this at this point, I feel that you
know, there's a lot of there's a lot of efforts that are out there,
and as an attorney, I believe that there's a lot more that we
could be doing, and there's a lot of attorneys in this in this involved
in this subject or you know, that are paying attention but not necessarily taking
active roles. At one point, NPI put out a calling for any attorneys
that wanted to assist in any way. I had reached out and through that
I've made connections with a group of attorneys on the NPI Legal team that we've
been actually you know, communicating quite frequently and starting to you know, work
together. I know that again this is I'm just I'm here on my own
behalf right now. But just you know, Danny Sheehan has been on a
lot of podcasts later we talk about NPI Legal and there are you know,
from my perspective that we got. We have ten attorneys from around the country
with various backgrounds to include you know, partners at law firms, former general
counselor for intelligence organizations, you know, all the way down to you know,
bankruptcy, business law. Uh, there's a pretty good talent pool with
a various set of skills that have all come together and the understanding that we
want to understand what the truth is and we want to be able to assist,
if possible, bringing out the truth in the capacity you know, if
we can. And again, so myself as an individual, you know,
I just want to be able to use the knowledge that I have and the
skill sets that I might have that to assist people that are trying to accomplish
maybe their goals or or the overall goal of truth. And there's a lot
of people that might be coming forward recently or that trying to go this on
their own, and they're trying to fight against a system that's established or that
are corporations or the government. And if you go alone at that, I
don't I don't know how you can achieve, you know, much like what
are you going to put against? You know, there's there's there's a there's
the Berserker, and there's the Viking shield Wall, right, so what can
one berserker do versus the whole you know, Viking Viking shield Wall and the
way that they operate. Hundred Spartans can do a hell of a lot more
damage than you know, one spartan standing alone. So I feel like in
that capacity, I've made some uh Twitter remarks saying that it'd be behoove some
people that are looking to come forward to maybe start building a team on their
side so that they can be better prepared for when they start making public statements,
when they start maybe putting things on paper if they're going to ever sign
an AUTI David, if they're ever gonna make any uh you know, testimony,
any type of report, just to be aware of the ramifications for that.
You know, if somebody comes forward they have a you know, uh
you know, current job and they wanted, you know, uh put their
story story forward, they might not know how to even put a story forward.
They might tell it in a non uh you know, in a outside
of a timeline. It's scattered brain. They're just they're just kind of recall
things, maybe slow down a little bit and uh put it on paper for
and then look at it and then adjust it and then really put your own
thoughts together before you you know, you really, you know, put put
things out there because in today's society and especially a subject like uh U a
p and non human intelligence or what we potentially are dealing with. You know,
once you're out there, you know, you're you're opening yourself up for
good faith attack, bad faith attack, just being discredited. And then they're
probably people if you do maybe have a puzzle piece, you know, people
might start really digging into your history. You're really starting to full pen some
things out in the it's just you behoove you to at least, at the
very least talk to people that in a you know, pro bono capacity or
are willing to listen and then maybe assist you or point you in the right
direction. That's what we're gonna get tonight. Man, We're gonna get some
answers. You want the truth, I'm sorry, we don't. We don't
have to get you to go into your Nathan what was that guy's name?
His name was also Nathan, right, Colonel Nathan something, Nathan jes Ye.
Yeah, they can't handle the truth. I'm just kidding. Deb can
handle the truth. And apparently she's ready to know it all. Open up
all the vaults, show her all the sites, and she's be like,
wow, this is cool. All right, Deb, go for it,
my friend. So my question is, since you're prepared to represent the people
who need it in coming forward with this topic, have you given some thought
to some of those people who may feel like they had to do maybe some
not so good and moral things, like for the people, for instance,
who might need amnesty when they come forward, like how how what is the
situation there legally for handling those people? Great question, All right, So
for the reports centation point, there would be the consultation right. So again
we would it just I think it behoove anyone that's any type of legal situation,
whether it's a going through a divorce, or parking ticket or speeding ticket
or anything, any type of criminal or go, hey, the police want
me to come in and talk to them. It's it's in your best interest
to at least discuss your options with an attorney. And many attorneys or organizations
or the bar associations, they offer some services where you can at least have
a you know, ten or twenty minute consultation with someone. Just talk to
them when you get a summary or an idea of the surface level of what's
going on, and then you know, if you can assist the assystem whatever
capacity you can, if not, again, point them in the right direction
or maybe you know, you know, flesh it out a little bit.
There's gonna be this with the subject like this, it would be something that
really needs to be developed before there's really a representation type relationship. And if
it's again, if it's not, if it's not us or or me,
it would be you know, how can I if I can't assist but I
can't then I'm you know, I'm definitely a person that is never I don't
try to playing cards that I have, and you know, I'll try to
restate my skill set or what I'm trying to do. It's just we're out
there. We definitely have a pretty good knowledge base, so we can find
the answer and then you would hopefully leave whatever consultation with a better understanding of
you know, what you might be facing or like you might we might be
might not be being represented, but you are going to be more knowledgeable than
when you first discussed your matter with us. The voice you're here right there
is that of attorney and former marine, former Intel analyst, and you have
u a p advocate, Sean, And if you'd like his services, and
you use the coupon code CAB one zero, you can get ten percent off
of five hundred dollars per minute of consultation. So just let us know and
we can connect you up with Sean connection. There's there's there's there's no charge
to these consultations, of these discussions, of these zations. It's not five
hundred dollars a minute. Absolutely not litigation realm or whatever the regular cases.
That's like the going rate, but not not in this capacity or any organization
that I'm associated with. Well, there you go. This is what we
love about Seank. Are you familiar with our new Cabby Courtney connected? Do
you know her? We haven't met. I believe that she might have talked
to one of my acquaintances recently. But he and I, actually he and
I actually met at the Soul Symposium. He came up and we went out
and I got to know him. Was also serving on UAP Medical Coalition who
were there at the same time. Yeah, so I think we have an
acquaintance that's also an attorney out in California that I believe might be coming being
on an interviewed soon that'll be discussing some of their fair perspective on what's going
on. Go ahead, to Cortney, this is you have the floor of
my friend. So I have a real specific question and I don't know if
this is your area of expertise or you're involved in it or not at all.
But I had heard that this was when I first got to the East
Coast, it was probably three weeks ago. I had heard that there was
a group that came in to do congressional support for the Schumer Amendment, you
know, reiteration, second reiteration. So are you involved with that at all
and crafting the legislation or working on the different types of language that they're going
to re enter into that? So I can say that I personally am not.
I've heard rumblings of something similar my I guess my. I put my
opinions out of how I feel that legislation should be drafted. I think it.
I don't know if it's fallen on death years. I think I get
my own opinions about you know, if that isn't happening, what might be
happening. So, but no, I am personally not associated with that or
have had a culsitation with that. If I did, I wouldn't be able
to speak about it either. Most likely Sean is as we're in this sort
of I'll use some sort of military analogies. We're in this sort of battle
space here where there's been a heavy push, we sustained a bit of a
bit of damage, little you know, sort of battle damage here. Via
the task force or whatever they call themselves, and the and and the report
and the refutations and ignorances of certain incidents that have proven to be true and
are with merit, with proof, with data, with video, with concurrence
from several different angles of it. So what what do you think that the
opposition's position is now relative to that attack? And what stage? What?
What if if you were if you know what the sort of battle plan is
or what you think the battle plan is or should be, what what would
that be right now? Of what? Try and move forward? Or I
guess yes, I know there needs to be you know, uh, stronger
legislation. I guess if then we need a stronger legislation that that is actionable
and provide some uh, you know, requirements for the organizations that are involved
in this in this subject that that gives them some I guess teeth to do
things. And then also you need to have individuals in those positions that are
you know, able to do that, to able to execute. So if
you have you know, if you have a bunch of scientists working at an
organization, they're going to be they're gonna act like scientists. If you have
operators that work in there, there are more people that actually go out,
you know, start looking in some doors, start opening boxes, versus you
know, sitting down and making you know, wonderful PowerPoint slides or you know
crafting up. You know, you need you need to have some you know,
maybe our door kickers, but you need to have people that have gone
out in our investigators or ground investigators like go out you know, collect samples
or you know, talk to people inspect locations. I think that it's hard
because you need to have the authority to be able to enter a lot of
these spaces. So you would need you know, a search warrant or some
type of law that's broken so that you can gain access, or potentially law
or an allegation of a law of broken so you can gain access to these
or these locations. But that would be done in some type of law enforcement
capacity, which is why you know, a while ago I had drafted I
had written in an article urging through the legislation to take a regulation approach versus
eminent domain. And I think that I tried to stress it is probably you
know, maybe a bridge too far. At that point, there was so
much momentum behind the eminent domain, and you know, you had a lot
of the I believe a lot of the individuals that are you know, extreme
advocates for this, that are you know, want to make sweeping changes and
you know, want to change the system or bring the system down or whatever
their goals are. By an acting eminent domain, we're gonna take the toy
with from the kid. Now we own the toy, and then we're gonna
give it to this organization about a point of officials and then they're going to
decide what to do with it. But we're going to be the members of
it, so we have the power now. I think that again from my
intelligence background, in my attorney background, I think that might be a little
short sighted and it's not thinking long term or downstream effects. And I think
it's actually much more dangerous than to create an unappointed board of people that are
now legislatively provided the power to actually, you know, enact the secrecy that's
potentially ongoing right now. So right now we're all afraid, you know,
there's there's corruption and people are stealing or they're they're they're hurting people. See
with them in a domain and this board, you basically give the board all
the power over all UAP, and then through them at domain, you seize
all the property that's out there. So you're taking if there's UAP property that
ballet owns, and he's in the United States, and it's in the United
States. Arguably, you're gonna Steve sees that from him. You're gonna take
all the science, all his reports. You can take all the Galileo's reports,
all their science, all that, everything that they've found on the ball
in the ocean, you're going to take all that. Now the government has
seized that through eminent domain, you're gonna give twelve unelected people the power to
decide what to do with all of that. Now, now all we're gonna
do it for the public good? Okay, what's the public good? Right?
Objective? Because I can seize somebody's property and then hand it to another
private entity through eminent domain. So you're basically giving in yes, okay,
So we might have one iteration of this council or this this board that is
not corrupted, But how long is it going to take until somebody corrupts it?
If it took only a top two or three Congress people to shut down
this whole the UAP Disclosure Act, all they need to do is get one
person on this board or two people on the board. We have no guarantees
that they're all going to be allies of us. We have no guarantees that
they're going to have not have conflict. You know, what's gonna be the
vetting process, what's gonna be the way to get them off? And then
all of a sudden they can just decide, oh, let's keep this classified.
It's it's two earth shattering and then you basically get in a governing board
the power to not disclose, and you can't have a college can't go out
and find its own evidence because Eminent domain I found new evidence. So Emerald
domain goes to the government board, has it tick it back to the Indiana
Jones warehouse, because it's it's all going to be under their power. I'm
more of a proponent of you an act strong regulation that's thinking downstream, so
you regulate this emerging technology, right this this emerging industry right of Okay,
we need the current holders of u AP non human intelligence technology or non human
bio biologics biology sorry biologically. You have to disclose that you have it,
give us, you know, keep it in the derivative classification level, which
means that if it's TSSCI that you have it, it stays at tss C
I. However, you'll do this, close it to the to the the
legislating UH committees that are the proper ones, and and you can legislate this.
It's not very hard. You must create an unclassified annex describing what you
have and uh, you know size weight, and that you are in the
I guess the that's all you need, size away three x three non human
intelligence technology, that's metal boom. That's it. You have disclosure. You're
done. We got disclosure. Now they hold that technology. So you have
it at you know, UH, Defense contractor number one, you have some
at Defense contractor number two, you have some at the college level. And
then there's an unclassified open report. We have disclosure. We crossed the line,
and then science can start saying, oh shit, this is real and
they us start looking at it. So instead of having the you know,
have lawsuits and all the money that these corporations is, if they are holding
stuff, have dumped into this of their own money. Arguably maybe, But
once it's disclosed, you can always tighten the screws later. You know.
Let's just get over the line. Get the industry that's currently potentially holding these
things in line with the regulations, work with them to be in compliance and
then regulate it. And you could even model it, you know, instead
of modeling this after the JFK documents that are still not fucking public, model
it after the Controlled Substance Act that even though everybody they'll put you know a
lot of people are against the Controlled Substance Act, right, it worked in
a capacity that you would locate drugs, you could lose law, you could
use law enforcement to enter where they are, and you could seize property through
it. So you could do forfeiture laws that are similar to controlled substance laws
where if you are not in compliance, if you do not disclose that you
are holding anhi tech and non human biolog biologics. But that's that's that's going
to kill me right now. That okay, now you're not in compliance now
because you are breaking law. It's an act. We can use existing law
enforcements. So we're not reinventing the wheel. We're not creating these different infrastructures.
We're like, hey, they brought the just broke creder law x y
Z Okay, FBI go get a search warrant, go in there. Then
you have a bunch of pencil push and FBI guys that go through their books,
and then you seize the billions of dollars of industry that they that they've
had from it because they are not in compliance the UAP Disclosure Act that's regulating
the future industry. And then even if i'm I'm probably run around a lot.
But even if we you did eminent domain. So even if you did
eminent domain and it goes to this board, then you have to hand it
over to you know, somebody to study it. That's a private entity,
and then you're going to have to regulate how they handle it, what they
do with that. So you're basically we're skipping a step, or like,
no, let's just regulate it so that if even if it hasn't happened yet,
if the UFO crashes or some alien probe comes down and lands in Wisconsin,
it's on the books. So if it doesn't come out now, it's
on the books a thousand years from now. That's the probe that's shot out
from ze Articula. Now that lands here a thousand years from now, You're
like, oh shit, go to page so and so to National Defense was
active twenty twenty five. All right, it says that uh, you know,
you gotta do this with it's let's just regulate it. Let's just let
me bring something up here on a broader level. It's just inconsistent with current
American sort of values, political and otherwise. It would be like if Fugel
and Company found something on their property and all of a sudden the task Force,
someone from the task Force marched in and took it and maybe did it
on camera. I mean, so it's just it. It was a lark
from the word go, and I almost think it was put in there to
make it to make the legislation fail. But I'm not going to continue on
that because I'm going to pass it over to these other guys and I'm going
to come back around because I got a whole nother question for you. But
it's not consistent with American values. I think. Just it would discourage you
know, someone like Fugal to dig if there's an amially under the ground there.
If he digs it up and it's a something that potentially is you know,
a billion years old that cross here a long time ago from a former
civilization or whatever it is, then the government just comes and sees it,
and then this board says what to do with it. It's just it's not
it's it's dangerous because it can be used against you. You know, it's
it's you know, it's bringing a gun to a fist fight when it's just
a fistfight. You just introduced a gun where it's you know, now you're
fighting over a gun, because that that board is going to have all the
power and it can be it was against you just as easy as it can
be used for you. And it's putting all of that information in the in
the one organization. It just I don't like it because it's just it scares
me because you know, it might it might be, you know, the
first round might be on our side, but the second round, you know,
if you know, again, like a defense contractor that has a trillion
dollar budget just tarts the line and pockets they can increase those wheels for the
next election cycle to get on that board and then boom, they own it
and then they have property back and they have the power to legally do what
they want with it because those people decide, yeah, we can't we certainly
can't give that much pay it be like the Jedi Council, right, Nathan,
you know, they they voted for Anakin Skywalker and that was a great
eye. Actually maybe it wasn't right. It's the Clone Army, basically the
clone Army, whether like we need this to fight against the droid army.
And then it turns around you're like, we just we just created our what
was used against us. But they never taught them to shoot. I'll point
out Princess Leiah doesn't know how to shoot either. When she's in the whole
hallway when they have to go across, she takes like fifty shots and I
think she maybe nails one. Maybe that's true, she could We should check
her marksmanship call. I'd like to see what her what her scores were out
in the range personally, but that's another matter money, Nathan take it away.
Yeah, well, so, I mean I have a lot of questions,
so we could get a lot of different directions. But you know,
there have been rumors about potential I don't know if they were executive orders or
or or you know, pieces of little legislation that are sort of hidden from
the public record that there's there's rumors about this. There may have been some
sort of edict of some kind in the past that has set up a kind
of you know, sort of secret classification or you know, some sort of
entire system that allows these secret keepers to do what they do unfettered from the
laws that are on the books now. And so I'm curious, you know,
does this to some degree feel like kind of asymmetric To kind of borrow
the metaphor from earlier, an asymmetric warfare where you know, you're really fighting
against an opponent that where you may not even know all of the cards that
they have to play, not know all the tools that they have to bring
to the fight. And so, you know, how would you go about
engaging in in kind of turning the tide there. So that's kind of one
aspect of this question. But the other aspect of it is, this is
such a big issue. It's not just like a US thing, you know.
Is there is there any sort of international framework that we could bring to
bear on this topic as well, because it seems like would have to be
inevitably an international matter to a certain degree. I guess. So, I
guess you got the executive, the legislation, and the judicial. So you
got the three branch of the government. So the executive makes their executive orders,
and the legislation makes you know, the laws and the judicial has basically
I believe it has said that. You know, if if the judicial,
sorry, if the legislation hasn't spoken on the matter, then the executive could
potential could act on it, so especially if they've never you know, expressly
acted on it. Right, these the three power dynamic of our government.
So you have the executive branch, let's say that they created but if they
created an executive order in the nineteen fifties and everything has kind of been you
know downstream from that where I'm acting under executive orders zero zero zero one,
and I you know, it's my best understanding and good faith. I'm acting
in the you know, the under the law because there's been no law created
to say that I'm doing is wrong. You know, you're if you're in
was it Minnesota or whatever the state had no speed limits and you're driving two
hundred miles an hour down the road because there's no posted speed limit, nobody
stops you. And then all of a sudden, you know that it's where
I like going to the regulation versus them of the domain. You know,
this just kind of ties into that, is Okay, if all of a
sudden you create a sixty mile an hour zone. I'm not right going to
write you a ticket for what you did six years ago. You go two
hundred miles an hour on the road. You were acting, I guess in
a legal capacity then, but also what was legal fifty years ago might not
be legal now. You know, laws change or culture changes. You know
what we find acceptable? Uh, you know what, we need to create
those laws and in order to do it, to enforce them. And because
the legislation has never I don't thay you've spoken on this matter, they arguably
and again this is actually discussion with that we've had. When you get you
know, ten attorneys together talking about matters, it's okay, let's blush this
out, you know. And this is also not a topic that you know,
academic or legal law review articles not being written about yet. But because
we have a pretty you know, group of individuals that are go getters and
some that are really really really really like to get after it, are now
in communication with some and then they there might be some you know right about
that. Okay, if there's a law and acted in executive order in the
fifties that came out, you know, how would you know change that or
what would what would come about, you know, legislating this now. And
yeah, that's that's actually been one of our conversations that when we when we
need to talk, so you would you would need the legislation to draft and
have that pass. Now. The thing is is, so you have if
if hypothetical, if there is an executive power that has been untouched all of
these years, an executive might not want the president would not might not want
to disclose that they have this power and this ability to do these things,
because then the next one won't and it might open up the whole can of
worms of what the executive before me did before them, before them. So
again, this this that could be as as Lewis said, sometimes that that
rotten fruit that nobody's really gone into and dug out. But the leg as
far as I know, until recently, the legislation has not really tackled this
subject. So hopefully they if they're meeting and they're drafting this now, hopefully
they're thinking not just now, but they're thinking downstream, and you know,
you know, some this could be some minor adjustments written in the National Defense
Authorization Act that creates sweeping change. You don't need all you have to do
is write, you know, a reporting requirement just like one line you know,
all shall make an unclassified annex of all reports. So anything that goes
to arrow at the derivative classification level, which means that you know, if
if you collected something on a top secret sci or you know, uh,
satellite or underwater. If you if you collected information or data on an unclassified
sorry on a classified sensor system, that information on the is now derivatively classified
at the same level because you don't want reveal the source and method of how
you collected it. However, if you make, if you create the requirement
that you shall make an unclassified annex of your report, then now we're on
record. It's like, okay, there's a UAP report of you know,
something entering exiting your atmosphere or moving these uh uh moving at you know strange
ways. All you need is report that it unclassified report could just be like
report made by the end I to arrow and that's it. So now you
have a record. Holy, this is where all the reports are coming from.
So you don't really and maybe if you can put some type of une
classified narrative in there, small metallic object you know, picked up on cross
by a censor system. That's it, one line, and all you have
to do. You don't have to do a crazy legislation. I have to
do is write, create, create the reporting requirement in the National Sense Authorization
Act. And it's it's up to the organizations to be in compliance with that.
So, okay, you make a classified report to ARROW or any other
or to the committees or however the legislation's dropped now and I shall make an
unclassified report. And I know it's possible. I was an intelligence analyst in
the Marines. I was I was read into different compartments with the tops of
your clearance. I would have information, but my trigger pullers, my trigger
pullers are all, you know, a bunch of door kicking marine and they
need the information so that they can execute on the target. So I need
to figure out a way to provide information in my marines that keeps them alive
that was maybe collected at the classified level. So if I have to,
you know, hand draw a rock on a target or brief the pilot say
hey, this is there's a five there's a higher than five degree slope on
this open field, don't land there. But I learned that on the top
secret level, but I kept my pilot alive by telling them on an unclassified
level. Then you do it. So you create the requirement and then it's
up to the organization that collected at the high side to get it down to
the public and just and then it shall be disclosed to the public. Make
an unclassified report that's released once a year, and then you'll see all the
reports. One of the problems is that I'm sorry, goody, just you
don't need to do, you know, crazy legislation to do sweeping, you
know, changes. You don't need to go out and say I'm going to
change the world. All I have to do is invact a longer lasting light
bulb and that that in effect changes the world. Hey, Sean. One
of the problems is you could have a Jwick SharePoint where the webmaster has like
seven people that have access to that folder and that that folder could contain,
could could contain information that at a specific department or at a specific end of
our country, maybe seven people have access to that that folder and that so
if you're an investigator, you're looking for something you don't know exists, and
that that can be that could be problematic if you know if you don't and
I have access to that that SharePoint of that folder. But anyway, let's
let's we have we have eighteen minutes left, so let's get deb in there,
and let's get court in there, and then I've got another question for
you, my friend Debs. I want to change this into a more social
question for you. This is something that I don't understand about this. We
have some of the most educated and arguably intelligent people, including doctors, scientists,
administrators, lawyers, and so forth, interested in the UAP topic,
and yet for some reason, people are more inclined to listen to video game
streamers and video game developers on this topic. So please explain to me what
is going on with that. So I guess from my experience is so when
you write, when you write a legal memo, you put all the information
you want that judge to read in like the first three lines, and then
you end up, you know, in undating them with that like a giant
legal all the case law and everything else. But you want to make sure
that they get the gist of it. You know, that's not the first
three lines. That's that's that's inaccurate. Okay, I'll get eviscerated by other
attorneys. But you want to make sure that you know they're going to get
to the point if they do a summary brief around you know, some uh,
some are some are really look at it. You want to make sure
that the information gets them. So you need to package the information that you're
trying to get to your audience in a way that they're going to receive it.
So and that that might be something that you discuss with the individual or
group, like, Hey, we're trying to express this information to the to
the world, and we're trying to convince the world that our information is correct.
So like you got to really know your audience if you're trying to accomplish
you know, you know, trying to get public opinion on your side.
Okay, Sean, I want you and all these doctors and scientists and all
these other really brilliant people to start streaming video games. Well you just so
you can package. You need the scientists to talk to the scientists, but
you also need to have a person, a lay person that's that's also a
scientist to be able to you know, translate that to the lay person,
you know, or to how do I get this information that is above all
our head and explain it to somebody, you know, you know, walk
into a you know, platoon of marines and explain it to them where they're
gonna go, you know, then they're gonna go out and do what they
gotta do. Right, So yeah, you're just gonna make sure you package
it in a way that your audience or you're going to be able to consume
it. So that that's kind of it's it's it's it's on the person that's
trying to relay the information. If I'm in front of a jury and it's
a jury from you know, Boston, I'm gonna probably talk a certain way.
If I go to Georgia, I'm probably gonna talk a certain way.
I might change my language. I might decide to introduce evidence in a different
angle or at a different time because I have a jury that I'm trying to
convince that the information I'm providing in front of them is the more correct information
than the person that's supposing. So let's we want to hear the next answer
in southie complete soufie. So go ahead, Core, Okay, bear with
me, because I had like a light bulb moment today, and so you
might not have the answer to this, but I'm just going to throw it
out there. So you know, I was in a space last night.
I couldn't get it on my own phone, so I went in on a
friend so nobody knew I was in the space, which was kind of nice,
so I could just listen without feeling any social pressure. And I heard
a lot of information that I had never heard before in any of the in
any of the UFO history program names, other things. I mean, just
a huge dump of information. So I'm just wondering, how would you recommend
if people read that transcript and they download it and they look at all that
information, how can we facilitate either moving those program names into the actual NDA
process that's happening with the recordization release. I mean, what would you recommend
for people that are really doing activism or tuning into this, maybe even for
the first time, and they want to follow these programs, how can they
get to their local person in Congress to make sure those specific records would be
released under the new Act. I know there's a timeline coming, and you
know they have to approve things through different you know, groups of the ICE,
But what would you recommend for just common folk. I honestly have to
go back through the NBA Nation Authorization Act to see the reporting requirements and who
that's supposed to go to. I summarily looked at it earlier, but I
don't I wouldn't want to misquote it. Can you message me and then I
could get back to you on that. I don't think I'm connected you,
but I think I can message DJ, so I'll follow up with yea J,
you're Courtney connected, connect with anybody? It's okay. I actually don't
want to put any more work on you, really, so you don't have
to do any follow up. I actually just wanted to ask ask you the
question because my curioosity was kind of going and I was like, this would
be a good thing for us in the UAP community to actually do activism on
within the government. Though the government agencies and organizations are need to be in
compliance with providing whatever information in their holdings over to the archives and then I
think at at the classification level and or bring it down. So if it
is a holding, however, when it's on the unclassified side, perhaps this
might be an approach that someone could use when there is an unclassified report,
take the information that you have and then synthesize it with what is being public
disclosed, see if there's any discrepancies, and then potentially then through investigative work,
if there's ever any complaints that are filed to discovery, or if there
is a potential whistleblower or some type of action or an individual that comes forward
and maybe says that there is you know, rules and laws or regulations being
broken and here's the information that was not disclosed that might be actionable. So
yeah, that's what I was wondering. I was wondering about the discrepancy part,
you know, mainly like taking the transcripts and just doing that parallel process
with the stuff that you know might be released and the timing of it.
Thank you, yep. And again, so there's gonna be stuff that is
going to be able to be the stay classified. So through I guess through
a local legislation, congress person or you know, the allies that we have
and there's people that we have been in communication with or whatever. There might
be avenues. But building your network, the correct network and maybe not showing
your cards until it's time to show your cards. You know, it might
be an approach to take the voice you're hearing right there is that of Attorney
Sean Muger, also known as Bob plus Skin on Twitter. He is a
not only he's a UAP advocate, he's a marine. He's my homie.
And he looks like he has a deployment beard right now, or at least
what I would have imagined him on deployment, because last time he was super
clean shaven. This is calling all Beings. Next, we worry about two
weeks away from being on Untold Radio network. That is the only place that
you will find Calling All Beings on YouTube or podcast. So more to come
on that. Nathan will have some stuff out there so you can find where
we at. Sean. Last question, we have about ten minutes to go.
The reason that I want you to finish this sentence for me please so
that we can get inside you as a person as it relates to UAP specifically.
The reason this topic resonates with me and I'm passionate about it is,
I guess from my life's journey, I've so I actually have a tattoo down
the back of my arms veritas, which is truth, and I got that
shortly after my first apployment and as an intelligence analyst and the information that you
come across and you synthesize and you turn information into intelligence, and your life
experiences and seeing the world and different countries and different cultures, and there's I
think truth is something that I guess needs to be pursued, but I think
perspective, you know, in the angles that you're coming at it are have
a really big influence on it. So like my truth might not be your
truth, and especially with the human experience, I guess through through that on
my journey is is that you know, you have you know, an investigative
work as you know, the marine and atturning and fleshing out more information from
an individual. It's it's that that that pursuit of truth and what is truth
and what is purpose? And what is what is that? And I feel
that you know, there's there's there's there's there's an unknown here, There's there's
a lot of allegations, there's a lot of claims. There's there's a lot
of people that you know are not perfect, people that may have had experiences
and want to to say that you know, you know, you can have
uh, a crazy person, be a witness to a murder that like that's
just it is what it is, you know, So you're gonna have these
those uh do that happened And it's just I guess the pursuit of truth and
whatever it is. But there's definitely threads and smoke and there's you know,
all over the place, and there's nothing wrong with pursuing you know, what
is that you know, if there's smoke around, you know, coming out
of a house. You know, there's people that just keep driving. There's
people that say, oh, they probably just have a fire going. There's
other people that knock on the door and say, hey, I just want
to make sure your house isn't burning down. You know. There's some people
you know that they'll see they'll they'll they'll burst in the door and they'll drag
people out. So I'm more of an individual that you know, if I
see trash on the ground, I'll pick it up, I'll throw it,
throw it away. So and this is just something that uh, you know,
it deserves to be looked at. If you deserve to be looked at
seriously. Uh, individuals need to be uh deserved to at least be listened
to and then uh you know, allow them the room to you know,
tell their story. I mean as as a litigation attorney, that the stuff
that comes in there and you're like, wow, that I was not expecting
that. And as you go through you start seeing that, you know,
there's some imperfect stuff and there's some incredible things that are that are that are
not beelievable that happened. You know, just sit in any courtroom at any
day, you're like, holy, what's this story? You know, sit
in the trial you're like, well, you never believe that, but it's
the truth. It's what came out. And I think that this, this
subject deserves that, and the truth does. If there if there is a
non human intelligence, if there's something, if there's if it's spiritual, if
it's demons, if it's whatever the hell it is, it deserves to be
known about. We deserve and we we we we rate knowing what our what
our existence is. So it hasn't touched you personally, is kind of where
I was going. I try to stay away from my personal experiences. I've
definitely shared you know, what I may or may not have you know,
come across at some points because again I feel like if if I had discussed
those, that becomes the focus and that's that's and I'm not going to move
the ball down with the information that I'm aware of or believe or that's not
going to do any help that anything that's not can be used against me,
because somebody's gonna looking at it. They're gonna they're gonna go clip this and
say, Sean Monger believes X, Y, and Z and now he's just
doing confirmation bias. And that's that is absolutely not the route that I ever
want to go. You know, show me wrong, and if anything,
it's you know, I tried, I try to, you know, stay
open everything. I just listen, you know, I wait, I confirm
what I can, I deny what I can, and and I guess at
the end of the day, I am the individual that is probably building I'm
I'm building a packet on you. If you're working in the background, and
if you're lying, you know, we're going to figure that out so they
don't be coming forward with bullshit because you know, we're gonna get rid of
you as quickly as we can because we're trying to clear them out of this
water. That's two half dollars in the cursing jar from selfie. That's too
half This one is my favorite actually from tonight. Yeah, that's a big
takeaway from me. I mean, I'm going to start doing that people on
the street and see what they do in response to me. I know,
I want to say, you'll know, like if you've watched Cab enough,
we're not going to ask you about your personal business and you to share what
your experience is. The question was really centered around had it touched you personally?
And it obviously has in some way. The details of that are for
whom you want to share that with and nobody else. This show respects that
in regards that we don't need to know what that experience was, but just
that it touched you. With that, let's go with Cabby goodbyes, starting
with Courtney Connected your new homie. Hey, it was great to meet you.
I have heard about you, and I wish you luck and all of
your endeavors. Legally for all the people involved, and I do hope you
get on that humor legislation. I think it would be really good to have
more people involved with it. It seems like a very small circle. We're
not hearing much information. And since this is a law that really you know,
affects, you know, the whole US and all our population and all
our voters and everything. It would be nice to have more people involved with
it and not be such a small siry's I guess it's potentially you want to
bring people with the posing views into your conversations, in your planning cells,
into your you know, when you're doing something, or if not, you
might ed up with an echo chamber and you're not going to see, you
know, what the other person sees. So that's why that's that's why I
constantly engage with people that are on the posing side or the posing idea of
mine. I try to There's there's definitely some bad actors in the in the
Twitter sphere, but I try to engage with them, especially if they engage
me respectfully, because I might be fucking wrong. I might have missed something.
I might you know, I don't know, they might have picked something
up. So I'm I'm going to give them the respect that they give me,
or I'll at least lead with respect because I could be wrong and I
might have missed something. And if I surround myself with a bunch of yes
people or people that think that my way of you know, legal solution is
right, then I might might have missed something, you know that you know,
it might have been easier or might have actually accomplished the goal that we
were looking for, and it would be reminded of stake Gold oriented, you
know, try not to get caught up with it, like, Okay,
what's the goal of this, you know, what is the goal of you
know, putting this information out because we want this, you know, to
occur and uh, you know, as as was mentioned earlier about the front
and the sort of movement, and if you're in another country, if you're
in the UK, if you're in Australia, if you're in Spain, if
you're in Italy, engage with your government and your representatives on this issue.
To just serve Twitter and look at what's going on in the US space is
not going it's a it's a it's a unified front, and you have to
flank that unified front in order to divert resources and assets to uh, to
speak to to to it, and to defend against it. So age with
your government wherever you are, and your representatives on this topic. And don't
think that just watching the US Twitter space and following US legislation is necessarily going
to do it because we are not the only ones that have these occurrences nor
have information about these occurrences. They're occurring all over the world. So yeah,
so my question earlier was really because I don't understand how people are taking
lately what you're saying, and you didn't respond lately. You were responded very
seriously, and I want to point that out to people who were listening that
there are very intelligent people working on this subject that we need to respect and
listen to. And I thank you very much for the sorry, and I
thank you very much for the service that you're providing people from that approach and
a service that you've provided for your country and the service that you're going to
continue to provide for the world. Thank you, Thank you, mo nay
Nathan. Yeah, Sean, it's been a real pleasure. You've you've highlighted
the various reasons why this is such a complicated topic. I mean, it's
it's a it's an onion in an onion. Really, there's so many layers
to this, and you know, I think we're starting to see cracks in
that shield wall that you talked about earlier. It's certainly not the case at
least from my perspective, that there's a singular agency or authority that's just sort
of guarding all the secrets that that really has secrets that are highly compartmentalized,
and we're going to have to get some breaks there from one of those compartments
in order to I think, crack this open. So I applaud the efforts
that that you're making here and the alliances that you're making with other attorneys.
We need people like you on this topic, people who are dedicated to it,
who are thoughtful and really bringing some excellent analysis to the subjects. So
appreciate the work that you're doing. Really look forward to catching up with you
in the future as things continue to unfold and we're pulling for you. So
keep up the great work. Thank you, Thank you, Shauna. I
want to echo what Nathan said. I also want to tell people that if
you go to the dbrief dot org, you can find Sean's writings and reporting
there. And Seawan is a multi tool player. He is not only engaging
in the Twitter space like we all are and occasionally going on a podcast,
but he's also, as he mentioned, engage with other lawyers. He's engaged
with other journalists like the whole staff at the debrief, and he's shown a
talent for being able to write about and provide some perspective on this disclosure effort.
You really are a true warrior, and I admire you what you're doing,
which is vastly more significant than what I'm doing, which is why I
wanted to have you on here, because I know that how you put yourself
out there on several different areas to advocate for this topic, and it doesn't
seem like you're backing down anytime soon. So if you want to sort of
emulate Sean, look for how you can do this wherever you are, what
he's he's doing, and leverage your talents against this requirement. So thank you
so much, John, I really do appreciate you being here, sir.
Thank you. I'm just I hope that you know the time, the free
time that I do dedicate to this, and I want to make sure that
it's you know, I hopefully I can assist when I can, you know,
help others in their endeavors and the goals that they're trying to achieve as
well. And I a person understands that it's you know, I'm not trying
to score the touchdown. I just want to make sure that whatever effort that
i'm you know, a part of the team, I'm actually adding value.
So I don't want to add noise. I just want to add value if
in when I can, and then keep my mouth all the rest of the
time. So I thank you for having the others on. Hopefully I was
able to help or make you think, maybe think a little bit outside a
little bit and you like, oh, maybe that might be a potential least
listening to or to consider, you know, a different opinion. So thank
you for listening to me, and thank you for allowing me to speak.
I appreciate it. Thank you, I appreciate it. We will see you
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So thank you very much. On behalf of Bob Poliskin also known as Sean
Munger and Courtney Connected and Debs and Nathan. This is DJ is saying peace
out, one love, We'll see you down the road and We're always wondering
what's up around the bends.