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Welcome to ghost Wax, a foreign
Tall Tales production. The following story may

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contain graphic content. Listener discretion is
advised. Hello, and welcome to the

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post mortem Q and A of Ghost
Wax Season one. Oh, we're doing

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it. We're doing ghost claps.
Is that what that is? Or spirits

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figuer? Yeah? This is also
asl for applause. Oh okay, wonderful.

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Okay, So we have slogged through
forty five to fifty episodes, depending

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on what you count an episode Patreon
episodes, little bonuses, remembrances. I

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don't even know how many we've actually
done, but that has been a wild

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year and we were able to churn
out that much content. Of what I

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have of equality, I'm very proud
of only because as our little snowball started

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rolling along, started with with my
now husband Aaron, and I, Yeah,

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thank you, sem just like making
something just for us that we really

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wanted to make. And and the
little little Ghost Wax snowball rolled along and

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rolled along, and as we went
we started accumulating actors and other writers and

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other creatives, and two of those
are here with me today, also my

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cat Lily. Before we get started, I just want to make an announcement

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that this is the post mortem,
this is after the show. This will

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be full of spoilers for the entire
series. We're not going to hold anything

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back. We're not gonna tiptoe around
anything it you know we will. We

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will not be spoiling stuff for future
seasons, but we might hint at some

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stuff. So really, don't listen
to this until you've listened to the show.

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Thank you and enjoy, so would
you. Why don't you guys go

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ahead and introduce yourselves and tell us
what episodes you wrote. Well, Hello,

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I'm Stephanie, and you'll if you
listen to the last post mortem Q

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and A. You heard me rambling
at Robbie on that one. Yeah.

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Also, if you've listened to any
of the shows, Stephanie my voice Pip

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and have written just a hodgepodge of
episodes, all of the big Pip ones,

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Yes, I wrote, and then
the Woman at the Piano. I

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wrote the Final Countdown, Yeah,
which I love. How device are by

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far most, by far most divisive
episode. It gives me life when people

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hate that episode because I'm like,
yeah, we're not taking any of this

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no serious and echoes. I've written
a number of episodes and love every minute

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of it. Ah, so happy. The other thing that you've done is

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make have injected like massive amounts of
character focus and character evolution, like throughout

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the throughout the season. It's so
funny because some of the episodes that other

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people have written, like I've injected
stuff into, but a lot of the

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ones that I've written like ideas or
concepts or especially character stuff because we you

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know, I've got a Dungeons and
Dragons background, so I have a tendency

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to be like, well, this
is your character. What do you think?

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You know? Which is is very
not typical of a lot of showrunner

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shows, is that you know,
you don't like have characters as like avatars

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or vehicles. But we're kind of
doing that a little bit with some of

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the characters and it's paid paid some
dividends. Thank you, Steph. I'm

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so glad you're here. I had
to be here, all right. And

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on my left is mister Brian.
Hello, why not? Hi, I'm

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Brian. I have both acted and
written in the show. I acted echoes

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and I was the one who re
recorded episode one yeah remaster. So depending

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on when you listen to that,
you either heard Robbie talking to himself or

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me implying I was there from the
beginning, which I was not, and

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we had we had like one I
don't remember what platform it was on,

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but there was one review that was
very like, this fucking asshole just sitting

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here talking to himself, and I
was like, it was it was me

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talking to myself. I was all
alone. How dare the pilot episode sound

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rough? Hey? You know?
Fair? Fair critique fans up. Then

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I've written a few. I wrote
Schism Slash Cold Case, and then both

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my skins and I both wrote and
acted in the Patreon episode Balancer, which

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you should absolutely pay money to listen
to. Oh please please give us some

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money, some money, we need
money, right, And then I have

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dug myself in like a tick.
I've written eight or ten episodes now that

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are just sitting in a drafts folder. Maybe for eventual use time, oh

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most definitely for eventual years. Yeah, I have come out. This is

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how we keep him busy. Oh
yeah, keep it. I don't know,

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maybe once we hit you'll get there
some day. I just want to

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have me another episode, please.
Yeah. It is a very fun world

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to play in, so I keep
having ideas God help me. Oh yeah,

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well, see the thing the thing
about the world is that I mean,

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as as mister said, as mister
Sid said, everything is real,

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and so like this is a fully
a yes, and like we if we've

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got a friggin weird idea, we
are gonna make it work and make it

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creepy and then like mold it into
the the cannon and make it like make

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it vibe for us like that.
One of one of my goals with the

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show is like when you tune in, you're like never sure what you're gonna

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hear. I really really want to
surprise people all the time, which is

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why episodes like Final Countdown where you
tune in and it's just like a full

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like shrill comedy episode. You know. I love that idea. Oh you

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did such a great job on m
freaking Battles, who is just one of

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the absolute heroes of this season with
holding down some incredibly difficult like voice voice

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work and playing Margot and jeers Uh
cannot wait to work more with m.

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She's amazing and she's very like she
clearly loves doing it or is lying to

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me to pad my ego, but
she's very, very into it. So

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that is always incredibly energizing, like, oh and right Eron's here, yes,

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okay, And the fourth microphone in
the room, no one can see

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me up here. I know you're
on. I literally can't see you.

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Yeah, the fourth microphone in the
room belongs to my beautiful husband, mister

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Aaron. I'm Aaron. I voice
Luca obviously, and I don't write a

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thing, but I do edit and
produce sound effects, music all that stuff.

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So so he's the reason it's a
podcast and just literally the reason that

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it is. We should release ramblings
from a living room. Yeah, hey,

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that's the show. That's what we're
doing now. Yeah, Aaron,

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your folly work. Oh yeah,
I've been trying to do as much as

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I can. You know, sometimes
it's just a lot easier to go into

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a database and pick something out.
But yeah, I've been trying to do

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as much of that as I can. When we eventually get to the finale

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remasters. One thing that I know
Aaron was very like was really trying to

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find a lot of We're Tentacle sounds. Oh yeah, that's my one.

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I mean, I spent so much
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and then I got to the end
of it, when like the Hamsa that

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is von Sid comes out emerges.
I just could not find like, I

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mean, how do you google tentacle
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it just yeah, it was very
difficult. What does a dentical sound?

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Right? To make something for that, here's what we do. We get

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a pack of uncooked hot dogs and
just like smack them together. Absolutely,

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I think, I think literally we
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wet stuff which but whips in there. It could go a long way.

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Yeah, some hot dog sounds if
you will. Yeah, we are gonna

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we have a litany of questions that
we are gonna have Aaron read to us

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from our wonderful discord many. It
is such a great community. I'm so

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so like proud to have, like
again collect I feel like the collector,

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you know, like, yeah,
the mysterious benefactor is me just like collecting

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toys for myself. But so we're
gonna have Aaron read some questions from our

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discord, which, by the way, come join us on Discord, come

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join us on Patreon too. We
have a bunch of fun bonus content and

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I guess I'll just run a little
commercial for this We are doing an expansion

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season called Ghost Wax nineteen ten,
which is set in nineteen ten, both

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America, probably London, maybe a
few other places in the world because we're

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just getting working on it now.
But it will star von sid Olivia and

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Amiya and some other some other characters
that you might find familiar. But back

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at the like turn of the century, and yeah, give a little bit

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of like backstory and context and like
really changed things up. The like the

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resurgence of occultism, like in the
mid eighteen hundreds, like through the turn

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of the century has always been so
fascinating to me, this like obsession with

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mediums, the way that new technology
suddenly opened up all of these avenues for

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people's you know, relationships with the
dead, the like the spirit photography,

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which you know, it's just a
double exposure, but it gave people this

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feeling that their loved ones were standing, you know, right beside them.

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And what that does to people psychically
and what that psychic surge may have done

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to the world or what it might
have awoken. So that's where we're going

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with with nineteen ten. It's basically
the whole the whole season is going to

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be a bunch of cases like like
we've done before, but then also an

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overarching sort of who done it?
Or like what done it? So yeah,

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and probably like ten episodes and that'll
be up on our Patreon. Any

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level of support you get to listen
to the episodes, and then maybe maybe

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we'll actually just like sell the season
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they do that. But the more
more info on that soon, and we're

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writing that right now and are very
excited for it. But so, yeah,

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come join us on Discord. That's
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And yeah, Aaron, do you
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we'll Yeah. Sure. I sort
of grouped them into categories, okay,

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but for the most part they're just
random. So yeah, So all these

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questions are from our lovely Discord and
I have pulled a smattering of them.

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We'll see how many we can get
to. And god knows, I have

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already eaten up a significant portion of
our time with just rambling nonsense. So

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all right, So the first one
I grabbed was how long an episode actually

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take to create? From script writing, recording, mixing, editing. How

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long does a thirty ish minute episode
really take? Oh? Man, this

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is a so how long so so
a couple of days for writing. I

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think the longer episodes have taken me
a couple of The longest one probably took

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me a few weeks. That was
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a battlefield that was that that that
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and that one that was a full
short story as an episode. That that

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one took me a long time to
to like, you know, an evening,

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you know, and and then after
that then there's coordinating with actors,

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you know, call you know,
gally, some text, some emails,

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getting actors down, so some coordination. Then they have to record, and

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if you're recording an hour long episode, it probably takes you ninety minutes to

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two hours to record it with going
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multiply that amount of couple an hour
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Multiply that by the number of different
actors then and then Aaron, if

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you want to speak to the actual
how much time you know, chucking down

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raw? Yeah. So yeah.
So once we have cast sort of assigned,

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we try to give you know,
people who have their own like recording

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setups, as much time as possible
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then local people who don't have that
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to you know, get get more
feedback, get more direction. So I'd

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say collecting all of the recordings usually
takes. Sometimes it's fast. Sometimes it's

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like three days. Sometimes it's like
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a group of people that we were
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that window has come down a lot
now that we have a good, like

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you know, stable of people who
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know, doing voices, and we
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so so so much anymore. But
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typically try to do I'll take one
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you know, cut out unnecessary information, you know, select the read that

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I think is best for the scene, and I'll do all I'll do each

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character like that in an evening,
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you know, depending on this also
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So like the finale had like twelve
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of these steps took like twice as
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evening to do that, and then
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and put them together so that the
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all that together, and then another
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on track and pull and plug in
sound effects things like that. And sometimes,

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particularly when Rob is writing the episode, he'll get through writing and be

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like, oh, I have this
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sound work. So in those instances, I try to like plan ahead and

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like start looking for, you know, sounds that will work, knowing that

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I'm going to have to have you
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in and out effects on them and
stuff like that. So I'll try to

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do some of that ahead of time. But yeah, I mean a typical,

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a typical ghost WEX episode where it's
you know, Vonson and Luca in

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the beginning or whoever, and then
a reclaiming and a story and then I,

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like, you know, Danuma or
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takes three sessions of around gosh,
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I would say at this point,
so I don't know what that adds up

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to. Someone else can add that
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evenings. Sometimes that is Okay,
it's eight o'clock, we've finished dinner,

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and then we're talking three in the
morning. I'm like, hey, bedtime,

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buddy, dragging him to bed.
Particularly in that like first part where

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it's just sitting down with each track
from each actor and like selecting the take

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I want to use and cutting out
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to use. That's sort of the
most like fiddly and less engaging part of

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the process. So I will typically, you know, sit down, do

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a couple of those, and then
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back to it. Yeah, so
you cannot fry your brain by just doing

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it straight. Yeah, when you
look. I've seen some people post where

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they post like the audio tracks,
like all the different colors and all the

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different audio things and the music lines
and stuff. And then and then you

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think about like our finale episode that
had twelve different people who trained themselves to

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record, sat down to do it, recorded, sent it in, it

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got edited, it got mixed,
it got cleaned up, it got music

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put over it. Stephanie's husband Colton, wrote music for us, so he

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had to sit and do that learn
how to play the guitar. You just

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think about the amount of work.
He knew how to play the guitar the

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show, But I'm just like deconstruct
He's just committed. He learned the guitar

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and formed a band. Transition too
hard. But but if you think about

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like all the skill, the time, the effort that goes into it by

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like a dozen people, by the
end of that, it's it's a it's

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a huge amount of work. But
if you think about it on the terms

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of like one person, it's nothing
crushing. So my advice to anybody who

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wants to actually do a podcast is
don't don't try and do it by yourself,

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because the more like people and talent
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the less heavy the load is for
any particular person. So, like,

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you know, the ideal for Aaron
would be to have another editor who

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does that, who does the does
part of it, you know, and

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then he can do the fun stuff. But sorry, you can cut that

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part out. But well, one
thing, and I am so sorry because

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this might come up later. It
just feels like that's a good time is

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I've seen people ask why we don't
record all together and why you edit it?

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getting a clean recording. The more
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know, a brings distractions. As
we learned from our large Cat Cattle Call

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recording for the finale where we had
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turns took forever, it really did. But yeah, so that that's that's

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the the biggest reason is that when
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recording on one MIC, you just
get a cleaner file from that. Now,

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sometimes when we do it here,
we'll have of you know, Robinson

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on the couch and read the other
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that it feels conversational, but we're
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other part of that is that I
like to have the clips to be able

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to move around at will, and
when it's being read with someone, there's

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like timing and pacing built into that. So I like to take that sort

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of out of it so that I
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that I want to construct it.
Ironically, it can wind up sounding more

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natural when you have it can if
you're gonna edit, like because if you've

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got like Brian and I are doing
a take and he says line A,

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and I say line B in response
to that. But Aaron doesn't like how

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I said line B, but he
likes how Brian said line A. He

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probably can't split lift those two lines
apart if they are really, like really

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clearly connected. But so he likes
Brian's line A more than you know.

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see. I see what you mean. It's just it's just a preference that

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I have, honestly, And yeah, it creates more work, but I

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think that the end product comes out
better. I mean, for instance,

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we did god sixty nine plus episodes
of Could Have Been Heroes and that was

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you know, six hot mics in
our living room, and holy crap,

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was that a bear to edit down? You know when I want to take

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out this thing that Amanda said.
But Andy and Josh were talking about this

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at the same time, and Rob
and Katie were laughing, and it's like,

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where where do I cut? You
know, Like that was the most

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like crucible trial by fire? What
the hell were we thinking with that?

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Like, Oh, we'll all get
in a room and we'll play a dungeon

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and direct, well, you know, a TTRPG together, and and then

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we'll just that'll be what we did, That'll be what we recorded. And

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then Aaron sit sound to edit and
like just the top of his head blew

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off and hit the ceiling and like
realized when we were you know, and

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I was pretty new to this specific
form of like sound engineering and editing and

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stuff like that. So you know, now I know a lot of very

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helpful tricks that I really wish I
had known then, because I did a

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whole bunch of work on that that
I did not need to because I could

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have had the computer do it for
me. But has the problem with being

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autodidactic when you teach yourselves, you
got to find the tricks all on your

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own. Yeah, so christ Yeah, So the answer is to that question

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about how long does it take a
massive amount of time, But that amount

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of time is put in by like
lots of different people, probably less time

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than the amount of time it took
us to actually answer that question. Oh

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yeah, a lot of invisible time
too, so it's hard to gauge.

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Yeah, how long before an episode
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Yep? Like how much thinking counts? Yeah? What even is time.

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I have been developing the like the

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metaplot in nineteen ten for like a
month and a half. Now it's been

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in the back of my head.
I think about it all the time.

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I have a bunch of scenes like
like the train, the guy on the

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train who sees the eye in the
hand, the arrival at the house,

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the for seance that like, like
I have the all of these scenes like

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already like kind of constructed in my
head like a little movie. So now

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I just got to sit down and
write, you know, write the first

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episode and connect those together. But
that that's taken like a month, And

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this is God damn. My mom
used to look at me and see my

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vacant eyes, my eyes like staring
off in the distance, or like with

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a bunch of little toys in my
lap or whatever, and and and she's

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like, what are you doing?
You're not doing anything, you know,

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Or my dad would be like,
why shouldn't you be doing something? Shouldn't

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you go make a friend early?
You know, you know, because they

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just see you sitting there like a
lump. And but what I should have

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said is I'm I'm I'm creating,
like I'm creating mother, I'm creating father.

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that's okay. If it's compelling,

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that's fine. My ADHD is fucking
us up. I'm sorry. And now

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for question two. Question please,
so let's get this one done because this

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might be long. But oh god, who is your favorite character, either

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to write or perform or just in
general in the story? Well, Stephanie,

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I feel like this will be easy. We talked a little bit about

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how we we've been doing kind of
like avataring, So do you want to

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talk about that a little? I
mean, obviously I love my girl Pip,

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everybody else great, Yeah, I
mean character man, when I first

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apologized for all the horrors that we've
subjected her too, well, I remember

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this always when I you first were
bringing me on board and trusting me to

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create characters, and I told you
about this concept I had for a tarot

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reader who could see the future but
had to act like she couldn't because it

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was bad business if people actually found
out what was going to happen and then

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just were like, well that's bad
anyway, and like working that in the

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problem of the true truth. And
then I had this first episode created where

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she gets her throat cut and I
had it even from then. I'm like,

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and then in a few episodes,
she's going to get this big necklace

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to cover it and it's going to
be super sparkly. And Robbie just stopped

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me and he goes, wait a
minute, are you just creating a character

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so that you can cosplay her later? Yes? And and I look you

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dead in the face, and I'm
like, obviously expect. A small detail

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that you have to know is that
Stephanie is a like professional level cosplayer,

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that she is a spectacular cosplayer.
She has a cosplay like building crafting room

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and has like has some very very
great cosplays. And then I was just

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really, you know, yeah,
we were adding costume details, and that's

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the thing. We bring what we
love to the characters. But you know,

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I could just visualize who this person
was so perfectly, and yeah,

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I've put a lot of myself and
my own quirks in there. My job

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title aboard this this crew is the
uh uh general manager of Swears, because

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that's what I add to the podcast. A lot of the times, Yeah,

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yeah, a lot of the times
you go in and you're like,

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and then they got to say there's
not enough curses in this person. Yeah,

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but yeah, so that would be
mine, I'd say. I'd say

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secondary is I love writing the dead
characters or like the new like the people

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were just bringing in because you can
make them whoever you want. And frankly,

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my favorite episode is Video Horror Story
and writing those characters because again we

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kind of knew who they were.
That was. That's a collaboration with the

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Just School with it, Yeah,
and we were kind of basing it a

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little bit on them, But those
were my other than Pip, those were

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my favorite characters to write. Awesome, well you wrote, but I was

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like feeding you. Yeah, we
collaborate a lot. So anyway, all

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right, Brian, how about you
got a favorite character in season one?

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Oh Will? I really enjoyed of
the stuff I've written that has come out

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so far. I really enjoyed writing
the Balancer episode because that was an attempt.

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All of my episodes that I've written, whether they've been made yet or

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not, I've been trying to play
with something new, mostly because of my

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own probable but as yet undiagnosed ADHD
where I just have to keep trying new

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things because once I've done them once
well, that pathway worked it doesn't work.

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It doesn't give me the dopamine anymore. I need new for dopamine,

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right, I need to play with
the structure of this one. For no

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reason, but Balancer was an attempt
to make an antagonist that was entirely a

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moral in a very literal way,
not just a moral in the now.

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They can be a serial killer and
I can do messed up things. The

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Balancer is a personification of a universal
force of attempting to balance energy, which

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means sometimes they're going to really brutally
kill the innocent, and sometimes they're going

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to save the innocent. It just
depends on how things are skewed in this

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situation. If things are skewed towards
what we would call injustice, they're going

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to bring justice, and if things
are skewed towards peace and prosperity, they're

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going to bring really painful chaos.
It's just it was an attempt to play

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with a character that used a very
different system of what was right and wrong.

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And we're right and wrong. We're
almost completely meaningless words. Yeah,

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And I think that's something that we
have been really playing with in Ghost Wax

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a lot is the concept of like
things that are really alien to people and

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that being scary, like like us
realizing that there are things about us,

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about humanity, about people that you
don't associate with humanity, but they're in

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there, they're underneath there, like
these ideas and notions that like, uh

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anyway, so yeah, I think
I think that was a very cool that's

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a very cool thing, and we
got to play with that some more.

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The you know, the we talked
about about like the pattern and how like

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things have to match the pattern and
if they don't, they have to be

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excized and that's not positive or negative, it just is what it is,

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you know. And you know and
again that everything, everything in Ghost Wax

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is a monster as a metaphor type
thing, and like we you know,

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there are you know, difficult decisions
in all of our lives that we have

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to make and we don't want to
make, but you got to. You've

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got to make changes, and that
can be really painful and that's scary,

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like deep down, like you know, you're working without a net kind of

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stuff. So okay, So obviously, uh, you know, this season

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one, the main the three main
characters uh are probably would probably would be

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Luca and Pip and and von said, and so I gotta I got a

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soft spot for my boy. Vaughan's
said. Obviously, you know, we

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all have these sort of avatar characters
that we love so much. But I

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think I'm just massively, massively proud
of that character. I think he's really

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unique. I think he's he's from
a book I started writing like a long

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time ago. I wrote, like, you know, a third or like

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half of a fantasy novel. And
then I realized that I had spent so

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many time writing like different like test
chapters, that I'd written half of a

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novel with no with no actual like
anyway, I'll just release some of those

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as short story as you as can
read them and see if they're they're good,

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but I'll release the original, like
von said, chapter it was a

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character who came in and found a
person who had been brutally murdered and cut

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up and like sewed them back together
and brought someone out of a dungeon to

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use their power to reanimate it and
interviewed the guy after they you know,

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were reanimated. And so just this
idea of someone using using neckermancy to investigate

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the dead, right, I thought
that was really interesting. But then when

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I started writing him for ghost Wax, he showed up as kind, compassionate,

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like cares very deeply about these people
who have passed. And I realized

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that in you know, in between
the time that I had sort of written

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that and now you know, I've
you know, I've processed a lot more

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of my own you know, dealing
with death and grief, and you know,

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you know, it's been a lot. You know, my my little

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sister died gosh, almost ten years
ago or is it ten years ago now?

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And so clearly the character of Vaughan
Sid was like, wouldn't it be

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great if we could talk to people
we've lost? But then, you know,

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almost a decade later, it's not
it's about like not trying to clutch

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onto that and just realize that,
but to try to put some sort of

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piece to to that loss or whatever. So it's interesting how you're sort of

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like these characters wind up his vehicles
for for things inside of you and things

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you're dealing with. And so but
I think he's amazing and I love him

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a lot, and I I'm really
excited to dig more into Luca's backstory,

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and I have a whole bunch of
new characters that I'm really excited about.

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But the most fun. Yeah,
he's he's he's like easy for me now,

409
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:30.000
Like I just know him so well. I just know what he'd say.

410
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.079
And so that is a cool thing
to have happen, where you get

411
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.920
to know a character so well that
you they become like second nature to write

412
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.199
or to record as Like his voice
is really easy to do now. And

413
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:49.679
writing monsters is fun, trying to
make them genuinely scary and not going to

414
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.039
like they jump out and make a
loud noise or they have like, god,

415
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.360
it's Gary voice, but like but
like that, they're they're giving monsters

416
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.199
some humanity, you know, I
don't know, that's something that we've on.

417
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.840
I don't know. I don't know. I obviously Von said he's my

418
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:09.920
boy, So there there is that. It's the obvious answer. And I

419
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:17.199
think my favorite continuing character to write
about is Luca, partly because Luca's as

420
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.800
as much as any character is the
audience stand in, because he is the

421
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:28.280
one, so what's going on?
He's one hundred Watson, Yeah, absolutely,

422
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.360
And partly because he's got the Swiss
cheese soul thing going on that's just

423
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:39.440
interesting. So throwing Brian had some
incredibly interesting concepting for that, and we've

424
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.719
we've got some really cool Lucas stuff
in season two that you are, Yeah,

425
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.440
and I'm not trying to explain all
the holes in his soul, but

426
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:59.199
I think I can explain one or
three of them. Yeah, uh yeah,

427
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:06.159
I mean I very much like doing
Luca. I am not I would

428
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:14.039
not consider myself an actor. So
part of what I like about Luca is

429
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:21.039
it's kind of strange, but I've
sort of asked to like not know much

430
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:28.320
about him so that like just in
the moment when I sit down to record

431
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.960
him, I can just sort of
like make little decisions about things as I'm

432
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:39.960
like reading it for the first time. And yeah, so that's been really

433
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:51.159
fun. But my favorite are the
Monstery characters, because that's just me sitting

434
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.760
down with a recording, going how
can I fuck this up and make it

435
00:37:53.800 --> 00:38:00.159
weird? But then like doing more
than that, you know, doing like,

436
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:06.360
well, what does this sound like? And why do you have more

437
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:12.360
questions for us? Aaron? Yeah, get that clicker, like, yeah,

438
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:17.119
start clicking at us the couch.
How much of this were you actually

439
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:22.760
gonna be able to use? I
hope you're all enjoying yourselves at least it

440
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:28.599
is like, no, I want
to go home. Okay. I liked

441
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:36.239
this one. Someone asked, do
all approved practitioners of magic work for the

442
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:42.800
HAMSA? And what about folks who
have magical ability but refuse to work with

443
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.960
HAMSA? With the order? I
need an emoji. I need an emoji

444
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.599
that's like the grimace face, Like, what do you guys think? What

445
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:57.559
do you what do you think about
that? I don't know what would have

446
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:04.480
happened if Pip had been like nah, man, fuck off, like getting

447
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:09.400
into the weeds. We can skip
that. It's a great question. It's

448
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:16.920
a great question. I just feel
like you are the like, okay,

449
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.519
So I'm like, I don't know
how about this? What do you want?

450
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.039
Since the official word wants to be
KOI, why don't we have two

451
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:30.679
unofficial words who could both be right
or wrong? Yeah, I'm so.

452
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.400
None of our stuff's canon. We're
just knowledgeable. Answer the question. I

453
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:44.039
like to think that it depends on
the person's abilities and what they are already

454
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.320
doing with it. So if it's
like I think of Pip, if she

455
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.239
basically said nah, fuck off,
I want no part of this, what

456
00:39:52.360 --> 00:40:00.599
she was doing before she was brought
into the fold wasn't really affecting the Like,

457
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.599
yes, it's so people who could
have magic, but they're not looking

458
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.800
for power. Yeah, like money
was great, but it wasn't like I'm

459
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.280
trying to rule the world. It
was just I'm trying to get by.

460
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.199
I think I like to think the
hompside keep an eye on it, but

461
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:24.159
they wouldn't necessarily interfere in every single
instance because they just have too much to

462
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:31.400
do. But if it's a point
of I have magic that I'm actively harming

463
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:37.719
the people around me for my own
gain, then it's a i'm I mean

464
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:45.039
they obviously they would just kill them. Well, episode I don't remember which

465
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.320
what the number of the episode was, but the one the Shaper episode where

466
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:55.679
you know her powers are not in
her control and she's hurting the environment around

467
00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.880
her and then she winds up as
part of the Observer program at the end

468
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.679
of the episode. So yeah,
that's what I think. Okay, all

469
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.800
right, Brian, what I would
Yeah, pretty much agree. I think

470
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.760
it is a question of scale.
If someone at like Pip's power level was

471
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:22.920
just being uh uh boardwalk psychic,
then I think they might be approached based

472
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.679
on what their raw abilities were,
what their potential was, and if they

473
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.320
refused, fine, they'll get like
passive aggressive postcards a couple of times a

474
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:37.000
year about how we're contacting you about
your magic's extended warranty. You're wasting your

475
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:44.360
potential. We're just worried, yes
aggressive, yes, right. And I

476
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.599
feel like even if they were going
for just worldly power, like they used

477
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.280
their their tarot cards or their Crystal
ball or whatever their their particular focal point

478
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:58.400
is to like pull the powerball numbers
to get six hundred million dollars, or

479
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.360
they wanted to become the resident of
the United States and used that route to

480
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.199
figure out what the steps were and
how to do them. If it was

481
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.039
just worldly power, I still think
the HAMSA wouldn't care at all. They

482
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:15.239
would get the exact same passive aggressive
postcards as if they were earning twelve bucks

483
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.480
an hour reading poems. But then
as soon as one of them went like,

484
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.760
Okay, you know what I'm going
to do, I'm going to take

485
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.000
on the cipher myself, then yeah, Blade's Gold would be out at their

486
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:32.639
house that day. It does feel
the HAMSA, as much as they are

487
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:38.239
in their organization, is the protagonists
of ghost Wax. It still feels like

488
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:45.119
they have a level of need to
control everything that can be as villainous as

489
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:50.239
any of the glorious that they face. And it just depends on what perspective

490
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.159
you're coming from. And if you're
coming from the psychic version of Cat's perspective

491
00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.159
where they want to be an independent
agent and do good but on the our

492
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:06.480
own terms, then yeah, this
is just Disney buying up a little VFX

493
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.320
studio. Yeah, so the question
becomes, yeah, so what would have

494
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.840
happened to Pip if she had said, you know, I don't want to

495
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:19.480
be part of this. We're thinking
that that would be different than what if

496
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.320
like Adriana said, like, no, I don't want to be helpful.

497
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.079
I don't want to be trained at
how to control my shadow. I don't

498
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:32.079
want to right, that's probably right, that sounds right. Every listener could

499
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:39.480
see the expression on Robbie's face,
the sheer glee. Well, well,

500
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.519
yeah, I don't have any any
listen. I was working on a superhero

501
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.920
like thing once. And how they
did it is like they had classifications like

502
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.000
if you're a Delta or Sta or
whatever and you don't want to be part

503
00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.480
of the like superhero thing that's probably
not that big a deal. But once

504
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.920
you get up into them them betas
and alphas like, oh now you can

505
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.519
topple buildings and derail trains, and
now it becomes like a real issue.

506
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:14.679
That sounds right, It sounds right
to be Okay, God, all right,

507
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:22.639
So let's see, all right,
this was asked in several forms in

508
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:30.280
one way or another. But they
want to know why are reclaimers so rare

509
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:36.880
the effort control of the practice to
a select few? Yes, and then

510
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:42.519
as a follow up, what happened
to the other ones? Okay, so

511
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.880
there we actually in the show,
in the canon of like of season one,

512
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.760
we actually talk about this a little
bit that or kind of reference it

513
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.000
there. Von said has some line
where he's like, I basically admitting that,

514
00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:01.480
like I want to teach necromancy to
more to people, but they don't

515
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:07.400
want us to, or the higher
ups of the order, the Veterum in

516
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:16.119
particular, don't want certain arts being
taught to people that we can't totally control,

517
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.119
we can't inhabit. So basically what
they're saying is we want to keep

518
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:28.679
certain magics within the ham saw themselves, the like the Twinned beings that that

519
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:39.719
are these like cosmic traveler puppeteer creatures
who have reformed themselves now inhabit living humans

520
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.440
with like their consent. So that's
part of it is that there's certain techniques

521
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:52.679
that like they are particularly dangerous,
particularly corruptible. Historically, necromancy has been

522
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.239
one of those, like in every
fiction, in every history, raising the

523
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.079
dead, talking to the dead,
to the dead, it's a little bit

524
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:06.079
more wiggily, but raising the dead, trying to extend or prolong your life,

525
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.079
you get vampires, liches, zombies, all, you know, because

526
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:16.920
it's something we all want, is
more life, and so it's something that

527
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:22.920
we create this taboo around that it
would be bad to have more life because

528
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.280
it's a coping thing. We need
to be able to cope. So anyway,

529
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.519
however, there were so the reclaimer
order. I don't think everyone who

530
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:39.079
was a reclaimer historically has been like
a specific like like necromancer, like von

531
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:45.599
sid Is. I think there have
been spirit spirit mediums and channelers and other

532
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:52.800
another folks who have like basically necromancy
dabblings, you know or whatever. And

533
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.320
I and in nineteen in the nineteen
ten story, we're actually going to hear

534
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.079
where Von Sid becomes a Reclaimer.
So he's a necromancer and he's been a

535
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:07.440
necromancer since ancient Sumeria. But he
meets a woman named Ida who is the

536
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.400
leader of the Reclaimers at the time, who has sort of a different philosophy

537
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:22.519
behind necromancy behind so that's where this
idea of taking their last statement as a

538
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.000
sort of like giving peace to the
dead, not just as an investigative tool

539
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.159
or not just as a way to
fight evil, which is the way that

540
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.559
kind of Sid has been doing it
so far. He meets her and she

541
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.639
teaches him something and he like,
you know, so the season one is

542
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.360
very much him as a like,
as a teacher and a mentor, and

543
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.280
so nineteen ten is going to be
him him learning some stuff. However,

544
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:59.159
light spoiler, something bad happens to
the Reclaimers and he winds up as the

545
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.599
leader of the without any more of
them because of a trauma, because of

546
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.760
a bad thing. So there is
a sort of a I don't call it

547
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.519
a purge because that will put things
in your head specifically, but there is

548
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:16.960
a there is a a traumatic event, and then he's left wanting to be

549
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:22.400
able to take more apprentices and teach
more people, but unable to do so

550
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.800
because of the constraints put on him
by the veteran who he's no longer a

551
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.639
part of. Because of the way
that he has his power is lessened and

552
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.920
he's crippled himself by holding on too
long to his them. But then after

553
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.239
season one, like, maybe that's
not the case anymore. Maybe maybe he

554
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:45.920
he takes on some apprentices in season
in season two, So yeah, that's

555
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.360
that's the answer. I don't know
if you want to beep any of that

556
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:54.800
or bleep any of that out,
but okay, let's see. Uh,

557
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.639
they want to know how does living
at the ardent Uh? For characters like

558
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.400
Charlie, how does that work?
Hmm? Is it like a college dorm

559
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:12.960
situation or more summer camp style where
everyone sleeps in one large room. Oh,

560
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.119
I don't remember. I don't know
the context exactly. But there's a

561
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:21.280
podcast called not Another dn D Podcast
or is that right? Is that what

562
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.039
it's called? Yeah? Yeah,
not Another NAD pod? Yeah yeah,

563
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.840
where there's this there's this these images
called one Big Bed where they it's all

564
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.920
the major characters sleeping like in one
big bed, all snuggling. Oh that

565
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:37.519
makes me so happy and the thought
of like I do have in my head

566
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:45.360
an image of von said Luca Pip
Kat like deep like Indelia. They invited

567
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:46.840
her because no one wants to talk
to her because they all think she's like

568
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.559
recording them or whatever. And she's
in the dark because she's a dark yeah,

569
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:54.800
Nash, and like, uh,
you know, all the characters like

570
00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:00.119
hanging out having a movie night and
they've all fallen asleep and it's like Christmas,

571
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.880
Like Vonsien's like watching all the kids
asleep, and like again, it

572
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.119
is very easy to get like trapped
in the the sort of especially when they're

573
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.880
they're characters that are so routinely traumatized. So it's a hotel. It's like

574
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:17.480
a big, giant Art deco hotel. It has lots of rooms. Most

575
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:21.920
of the rooms don't have people in
them. It's also probably it's bigger on

576
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.960
the inside than it is on the
outside. So yeah, I think it's

577
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:30.280
like a hotel. There are common
spaces and uh yeah, it's probably got

578
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.440
a lot of amenities that they probably
have put things in like a swimming pool

579
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.800
and movie theaters. We're gonna do
an episode in season two where like someone

580
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:43.599
breaks into the Ardent and has to
be either interviewed or reclaimed like after they

581
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.639
But so we're gonna get like a
good look of the interior of the Ardent

582
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:51.960
from an outsider's perspective, like them
describing like them sneaking around the art and

583
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:53.880
trying to steal stuff. So,
but do you guys ad anything, cause

584
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.159
I think this is a we could
like riff on this. What is your

585
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:02.880
sort of imagination on what it's like
in there? I picture lower levels that's

586
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.119
like not allowed, you know,
you need a key card to get a

587
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:13.039
lot of places whatever. But the
upper levels I picture of the Overlook Hotel.

588
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.480
Oh for sure, I definitely picture
It's like, yes, it's there's

589
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.719
everybody gets their own bedroom, you
know, everything like that. But yeah,

590
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.360
you'll just turn a corner and like
what the fuck is you know what?

591
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.840
Never mind, I'm not gonna worry
about that right now. Yeah,

592
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.480
the higher and lower you go,
like the closer to the vault you get,

593
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:35.119
the more like limit all the spaces
get. But also the higher you

594
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:38.800
get to the upper chamber, which
is like a huge like ceremony room where

595
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:44.159
they do the vanishings. So the
high closer you get to that, the

596
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.599
more limit all the spaces get like
rooms will connect in weird ways. It

597
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.880
gets a little eschery as you go
higher up. But yeah, the like

598
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:54.039
ground floor and the like first like
four floors or something are probably like it

599
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:59.920
just like a really nice art deco
hotel mixed with like they probably have a

600
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.480
library in there. Yeah, it's
very campusy, very dormy. Season two

601
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.440
is going to be very like campus
collegey because we're gonna have the apprentices and

602
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.360
they're going to be like learning stuff
and competing with each other. And I

603
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.119
can't wait for Sid to like throw
them in a room with a knife and

604
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:22.079
be like, I only need one
of you. I picture. So there's

605
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.639
there's a lot of fandoms where there's
where it has this flavor that I really

606
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.239
love. It's problematic, it is
as it is now Hogwarts. Yes,

607
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.239
there's yes, there's uh hey,
yeah, I love Hogwarts. Yeah,

608
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:42.159
Hogwarts has a lot to it.
There's the Tartists, there's Deep Space nine.

609
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:47.599
There's a lot of Firefly fire and
Firefly Spaceship. I actually so in

610
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.599
the last episode in the finale,
I talk about how it's unmoored from reality.

611
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.199
That's based on my favorite, maybe
my favorite horror film ever called a

612
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:02.480
dark song where they sort of they
have a house and they start performing this

613
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:07.159
magical ritual and you can see out
of the house. But he talks about

614
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:12.280
it is like we aren't actually here
anymore. We're sort of like between places.

615
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.760
And I love the idea of a
house as like a spaceship. Almost

616
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:24.199
Constantine the comic book, Like the
character Constantine, he has a house that

617
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:36.280
can be like in a Yeah,
basically basically had no continuing apartment. Yeah,

618
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.920
I forgot about this. My brain
went to Keanu Reeves. I was

619
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:45.199
trying to love I do. It's
not a good adaptation, but it is

620
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.639
a good movie anyway. But in
the comic book version, he has a

621
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:53.199
house that like exists in a pocket. I'm sure some comic book person is

622
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:58.800
screaming at me right now, but
yeah, and it moves around and that's

623
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.159
where he keeps all his ship and
all this stuff. Yeah, the arden,

624
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.559
I think is physically located in I
think it's it's Ida's house from it.

625
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.880
So it's located like in the woods
of Philadelphia, somewhere like just you'd

626
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.840
be traveling through the woods. Oh
my god, there's a huge art deco

627
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.320
hotel here. But there are entrances
to it in New York, Boston,

628
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:25.360
Minneapolis, Chicago, Like there's doors
that go into We didn't really talk about

629
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:34.400
this much, but there are some
transportational things happening, especially like in a

630
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:39.039
couple of those earlier episodes they talk
about like getting in through the hallway closet

631
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.880
and we'll have to take the special
mode of transportation. So like, yeah,

632
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.480
the world of ghost Wax is full
of a lot of like secret modes

633
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.599
of transportation that haven't come up too
much yet. But right, yeah,

634
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.880
I just I keep picturing the building
as very abrupt and sometimes very hard to

635
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.679
find things. I definitely for the
Cold Case episode, I was picturing like

636
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:08.360
a very modern hallway with a key
card door that opens up to an ancient

637
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:14.000
runic chamber carved from the living rock. Yeah, and it's not because of

638
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:19.039
a dimensional door. There's literally a
carved rock chamber behind a modern door.

639
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.679
Yes, it's just that they were
designed by completely different people who had no

640
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.199
communication with each other. No,
yeah, and for totally different purposes,

641
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:29.480
right, Like this is a this
is a theater. We built a movie

642
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:34.079
theater and a pool and a recreational
room. Those are to keep people from

643
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.719
going crazy. And right next to
that is the insanatorium, where we need

644
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.559
to make people crazy so that they
can see phanfasms, like you know what

645
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.400
I mean like that. So these
rooms are off for different, very very

646
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.440
different purposes. And that's right across
from the storage room, which I only

647
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.599
find on every other Wednesday. I
can look for it all I want,

648
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:57.239
but I only find it on every
other Wednesday, and it's always right there.

649
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:01.039
Yeah, or the the Lost and
which you can only find by getting

650
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:07.199
very very hopelessly lost Narnia style,
Nardia style. Yeah, there's a lot

651
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:12.599
of like Nardia, Neil Game,
any like sort of ideas going on here.

652
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:15.800
And yeah, and the farther down
you go, the more it becomes

653
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:23.079
like like just columns of white stone
and an impossibly black expanse, and the

654
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:28.519
more like Moria it becomes, the
farther down you go. Yeah. Yeah.

655
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.199
There's one full time employee at the
arden whose only job is to clean

656
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:37.880
the mummies out of rooms that just
get found often enough that it's a full

657
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.679
time job. It's like where did
this mummified corpse come? There's another staff

658
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:53.360
person whose only job is putting mummies
in rooms. They're the same person,

659
00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:00.599
they just have amnesia. Oh god, this is the kind of weird that

660
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.920
I love so much, and I
think you can see why we all jive

661
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:14.960
together so well. All right,
so you mentioned the new recruit characters.

662
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:19.920
Yeah, they want to know,
on a scale of one to ten,

663
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:28.119
how gay are they? Well,
Stephanie, how gay can we make?

664
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:37.760
Has anyone been straight in terms of
ardent? Like humh okay? Straight characters?

665
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:45.119
Well, I think, I mean
Margo and Nash probably are. Probably,

666
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.480
I don't know. It hasn't really
come up functionally, at least so

667
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:52.760
far. Yeah. I've stated on
the discord and I'll stay here. Every

668
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:59.239
character I've ever written is canonically by
unless explicitly stated otherwise. Yeah, I

669
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:04.880
think just everyone in the world of
ghost Wax is that is probably by that

670
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:09.920
We're against no straight characters. It's
just we right from our Yeah, that

671
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:13.800
is an entire Yeah, I don't
know if if this has really come up,

672
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.760
But then this is like an entirely
queer like we have, like like

673
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:24.920
Mark straight, You've got a couple
of straight people involved. Uh, it's

674
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.639
gonna be a good mix. We're
gonna get I've got at least three new

675
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.840
apprentices that I know about, Like
in my head that I'm like starting to

676
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:38.880
like are starting to like make themselves
known to me mentally. So we're gonna

677
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.840
get some good representation in there.
We need to, uh get an ace

678
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:45.760
character in there. We need to
get you know, some some We're gonna

679
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:52.199
be as diverse as possible with orientations
and races and ideas and so we want

680
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.599
to Yeah, we want to keep
it, keep it. Uh, it's

681
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.920
gonna be queer as hell. It's
just good. Everyone's gay. They're gay.

682
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.280
How they're going to be in a
big gay pile? I mean,

683
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:07.559
it's it's gonna happen. We will
all have to stretch our writing skills by

684
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:16.000
writing a straight character. Yeah,
okay, there's your writing challenge. Yeah

685
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:23.519
you, Stephanie, I choose you
to. All right, where were we?

686
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:30.559
Uh? Oh, big gay pile? Got So this one says how

687
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:35.800
much direction do the actors get on
the screaming? And how fun is it

688
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:42.159
to just let it loose? Oh
it's actually terrifying. I find I hate

689
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:46.360
doing it because I like feel it, like I can't help but put myself

690
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:52.639
in Like Von said's like sorry,
I'm just like bringing this down and making

691
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.880
this incredibly depressing immediately, But like
Vaughn said's like whail after as I was

692
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:05.360
gone, was I mean, like
I was like fucked up for a couple

693
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.239
like a day and a half after. I was like, ah, that's

694
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:15.039
like yeah, it's really emotionally like
brutal. And listening to Stephanie when like

695
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:22.559
Charlie cuts her eyes out, fucking
the noises you made make bank me so

696
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:28.800
so unhappy. Uh, just just
fucking brutal recording. That sucked. I

697
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:34.480
hated that so much. I mean
you feel guilty because you're like, I

698
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.000
guess I've am partially responsible for this, like and then you're like, well,

699
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.199
it's not real. None of these
people are real, you know,

700
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:43.360
it's it's it's tough. It's tough. I'm I'm, I'm I have kind

701
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:51.559
of a hyperactive like empathy gland.
So you know, yeah, uh yeah,

702
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:52.239
I no know, steph what do
you think about that? Because the

703
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:57.159
most unfortunately, like there was some
fun screaming earlier, like you know,

704
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.840
uh, you know, just your
basic monster be kind of screaming, but

705
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.360
like the one that's very fresh and
in our our mind right now is the

706
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.119
finale, which was none of that
screaming was very fun. Yeah, I

707
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:15.719
was when I did when Pip subducted
at the end of forty two. Oh

708
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:22.000
yeah, I record most of my
stuff at Robbie and Aaron's house so they

709
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.599
can give direction and that I was
a little worried about your neighbors, like

710
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:30.760
calling the police because I had to
do that one like that one that was

711
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:36.440
loud, Yeah, that was I
actually like kept an eye out for the

712
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.519
neighbors like after that one, like
if their lights came on or something.

713
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:42.480
Yeah, because that was loud enough
that I was like, oh shit,

714
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.960
that doesn't you told me. I
know, but I wasn't expecting your your

715
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:51.000
pipes. I didn't expect your your
volume to be so high. Yeah,

716
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.920
that was like that did not sound
like a horror movie scream. That sounded

717
01:01:54.960 --> 01:02:00.880
like a fucking like a real scream. And well, that's why I like

718
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:04.360
to do the recordings here is so
I have people who can give me hugs.

719
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:10.199
When I have finished with the traumatizing
stuff, literally come out of the

720
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:15.880
recording studio and like, someone hug
me, and then there's usually a group

721
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:22.159
of people so fine, yeah,
yeah, Okay. A few people wanted

722
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.880
to me to ask what jobs would
the cast have if they didn't have a

723
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:37.679
brush with the other side, architect
and cupcake bakery owner. And that's who

724
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:46.039
all of them, all of them
columns. They have nineties rom com movie

725
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:52.320
end up coming together anyway, and
yeah, someone's design those, dude,

726
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.320
let's do this. This is a
great question. Top down, I think

727
01:02:55.360 --> 01:03:00.880
that von sid was I think I
think anthropologist. I think that his history

728
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:07.840
with like, well, well,
oh that's actually the episode that was Pip's

729
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:14.039
fantasy. Yeah, archaeology questions a
writer and writing sci fi. Yeah,

730
01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:17.239
so he'd like be a writer on
the side, and and uh so like

731
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:22.320
if he were a normal human man
in his like current iteration, yeah,

732
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:29.800
college professor slash anthropologist, I think
he'd be more interested in anthropology than archaeology.

733
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:30.840
But I got the reference. I
thought it was really fun, So

734
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:36.519
we because I think he's very interested
in people. Oh here's my question.

735
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:43.079
I'm assuming that his sci fi novels
are just absolute garbage pulp grocery store novels,

736
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:46.280
and he loves that that's what they
are. But are they published under

737
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:52.320
Owen von sid or does he have
a really obvious suitedym. Uh yeah,

738
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.000
Luca would probably work for like probably
have gone to like m I T or

739
01:03:55.039 --> 01:04:01.519
something and do whatever people do with
that. Yeah, he'd probably have I

740
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:06.360
don't know, he'd probably be some
I don't know, some sort of an

741
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:12.519
engineer, maybe like a theoretical physicist, but like a computer programmer, but

742
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.519
for something. He'd also have like
a side job at a movie theater just

743
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:20.440
so he could watch see the movies
for free. Yeah, maybe'd be like

744
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:26.679
a visual effects artist or something.
I don't know, yeah, movie knowledge.

745
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.960
Oh, he'd be like there was
a NASA engineer who left NASA to

746
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:39.199
invent the super Soaker, that sort
of just that would have just left SpaceX

747
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.880
in order to invent some much better
form of movie being. All right,

748
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:49.360
so Nash of the faradays. So
the faradays are have been like like order

749
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:57.440
hunters for forever. They're like a
storied family. And so he'd probably just

750
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:02.320
be a freaking rich playboy. You'd
probably just be a jet center. Oh

751
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:09.480
yeah, he's absolutely shot animals most
of us haven't seen. Well that's definitely

752
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:14.119
true. But so yeah, so
yeah that and he's also you know that

753
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:19.119
based on a character from another thing
that we we made. And uh yeah,

754
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:23.360
so I think that's right. Yeah, Margot was a police detective.

755
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.280
She would have stayed a police detective. I think that that's just like built

756
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:34.800
into her blood. What was cat
did? What she did probably something very

757
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:42.639
mundane, Yeah, because I feel
like the catalyst for her becoming a hunter

758
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:46.719
really changed her trajectory in a way
that like maybe even some of the others

759
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:53.119
aren't. Yeah, she just worked
in an office and then on the weekends

760
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:56.920
got all her joy out of just
ruling karaoke or something. He'd be like

761
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:01.360
into kickboxing and oh yeah, do
like iCal stuff and maybe an athlete because

762
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:05.400
she I think she's pretty strong,
So maybe maybe she'd play like like volleyball

763
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:10.360
or something on the weekends or yeah, man, she would. I feel

764
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:14.679
so bad she would have had such
a like normal fun life if things hadn't

765
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:20.559
gone so sideways. How about Pip
is performer. I mean she went she

766
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:28.000
got a theater degree. I guess
she had opened her shop before. She's

767
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.760
the brush. I feel like that's
the brush with the other side part,

768
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.039
because her original brush with the other
side is her lineage, like grandma or

769
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:38.400
great grandma. So if that hadn't
been the case, would she have I

770
01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:43.719
can't even think she'd be an entirely
different person. Like that's a that's a

771
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:47.079
ground up yeah, you know her, her grandma basically instilled all of this

772
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:51.000
in her since she was born.
So if it was if that had never

773
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:54.719
happened, I guess there's no way
to know who that person would be.

774
01:06:55.079 --> 01:07:00.000
Even in the this is this is
Your Life cipher episode, She's still in

775
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:05.639
the shop. That part is unchangeable. Oh god. Well, yeah,

776
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:09.840
And if we're going just ground up
changes, I feel like the SAME's true

777
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:15.239
of Luca. Like whatever touched Luca
happened before Luca was a living, breathing

778
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:19.039
baby, So whatever holes and the
soul didn't happen when he was seventeen.

779
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:27.920
But I feel like with Luca,
like if if the like nastiness around his

780
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:33.559
skills hadn't happened, and he hadn't
been like taken into the order, he

781
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:42.079
probably could have just like gone through
his life never really knowing that what he

782
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:46.039
was doing was mystical in any way. Yeah, right, if it hadn't

783
01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:50.239
gotten so sideways. Yeah. Well, and also depending on what got excised

784
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:57.480
out of him, did he lose
things, right, things that would have

785
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:03.199
given him limits? Yeah, right, because that's like another bit that's that

786
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:09.719
like unchangeable part, because it's just
you know, who he was born to

787
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:16.239
we're parts of We're parts of Luca
carved away to limit him. That's a

788
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:24.239
massively interesting question. I wonder No, No, I just love the idea

789
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:28.359
though, that that's why they're besties. Is they just have so much stuff

790
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:33.520
in kind they do even they don't
know yet. There's two puzzle pieces together.

791
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:39.199
Mm hmm. All right, Well
we've been at this a while,

792
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:44.479
so let's do one last one pizza
waiting with We just got the pizza here.

793
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:48.279
So you may have noticed a distinct
succinctness creep into some of the answers

794
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:54.920
here, but all right, well
last one here? Uh, do y'all

795
01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:02.000
make popcorn on release day and watch
Discord freak out there? Nothing gives me

796
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:09.800
greater joy in my life right now
than watching the like the Live channel where

797
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:15.079
people like pop in their their reactions, or going on Tumblr and seeing like

798
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:18.439
what people are saying or who they're
shipping, or seeing fan art. I

799
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:23.800
mean, like, good lord,
my heart is very full. Every time

800
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:30.520
anybody evangelizes for us or recommends us
on Reddit or yeah, that stuff that

801
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:34.880
means just the world to me.
I can't believe you know, it's it's

802
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:42.720
been me and my like close friends
who have cared about the fictions that I've

803
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:47.319
made up my entire life and finally
like putting that stuff out there and having

804
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:53.520
anyone at all a click and care
about the things we're made. Stephanie and

805
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.479
I've talked about this quite a bit, and yeah, so yes again to

806
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.720
make it sappy and not, you
know, to take a fun question and

807
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:05.279
make it modeling, Yeah, very
much. So we don't we don't make

808
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:10.760
you know, we don't make popcorn, but bust out whatever snack And but

809
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:16.039
I am always very excited because I
typically like finish an episode and then post

810
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:21.119
it and then go to bed,
So I'm always very excited to pick up

811
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:27.239
my phone the next day. It
is a very a Christmas Yeah, And

812
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.560
I'll say I like, I've always
enjoyed watching people, whether I write the

813
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:38.079
episode or not, even just knowing, like you know that I sometimes I'll

814
01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:43.239
read scripts ahead of time to help
proof readA stuff, and so like knowing

815
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:46.159
there's gonna be a response, which
is great. But I feel with the

816
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:55.119
last five episodes it was even more
so then than the regular episodes, because

817
01:10:55.119 --> 01:11:01.279
it was like we knew what we
were doing was gonna was gonna cause emotions

818
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:09.640
seeing how early people picked up on
Charlie like early, And just to be

819
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:13.239
clear, that was the plan for
Charlie. It wasn't just a response to

820
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:19.520
the discord. But you guys figured
it out before I did. Oh wow,

821
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:23.880
because I knew there was I knew
some of the things planned for Charlie,

822
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.239
but I didn't know everything. But
I do know he was. He

823
01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:35.479
was evil before y'all picked up on
it. He was antagonistic before he y'all

824
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:39.439
picked up on it, But you
picked up on it before I did.

825
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:44.680
I remember Robbie being a little bit
like people already think he's bad, like

826
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:46.600
I just introduced, and I'm like, Robbie, it's because he's the only

827
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:57.079
character you've ever introduced who had no
trauma, no like so happy and people

828
01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:01.239
don't trust it was he was.
He was trying to be positive, yes,

829
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:05.279
and that because it was him like
trying to cope with what he'd agreed.

830
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:09.520
But it just felt like people were
like, wait, this is he's

831
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:15.319
happy. We don't trust that.
It was one hundred percent one hundred percent.

832
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.720
And and again it's not a like
who done it mystery where I like

833
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:21.399
feel like I like, oh shoot, I but you got it. You

834
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:30.039
can never underestimate how savvy consumers of
this kind of fiction are, Like they

835
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.520
they know all the tropes, they
know all the counter tropes, they know

836
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:36.319
all the they are one hundred percent. So that's why with with Charlie,

837
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:41.000
like when I introduced him, I
didn't even really when I first created the

838
01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:46.159
character, I had no idea that
he was gonna be like a major antagonist

839
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:48.760
this season. I didn't know if
that would happen until later, or if

840
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:53.159
it was gonna happen at all,
But I just kind of knew that,

841
01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:59.880
like something had happened before they got
to him, and and then that fester

842
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:01.239
and grew, and I was like, oh, no, it's bad,

843
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:04.640
It's really really bad. But so
what I tried to do as I made

844
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:09.479
the character rather than I was like, oh, should I leave this in

845
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.560
this is going to make people suspicious, or should I leave this element?

846
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:15.279
And sho, should I clearly show
that he's being manipulative or whatever? But

847
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:21.079
then I remember, like you are
hearing all the recordings together, there's lots

848
01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:25.680
of other stuff that happens in their
lives, and in between these things that

849
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:30.520
distracts them confuses them. Von sid
is normally very sharp but he's like not

850
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:35.000
at his a game, like right
now, he's very kind of sick and

851
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:39.479
and so like I kind of got
to the impression where I was like,

852
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:43.439
actually, it might be kind of
cool if you to have that dramatic irony

853
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:46.800
of like you, the listener,
know more than the characters in it.

854
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:51.279
It's that car crash that you see
coming, but nobody's looking the right way.

855
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:58.239
And to play with the horror,
like we've all had people who let

856
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:01.800
other people into their life and you
go, oh no, that's a fucking

857
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:06.439
bad one. That's a user,
that's a manipulator, and there's nothing you

858
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:11.560
can fucking do most of the time. So to play with that horror trope

859
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:16.399
of letting people kind of see like, oh no, But then what I

860
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:18.720
really wanted to do, and I
think I did it. We did a

861
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:24.960
pretty good job. Was to eat
to once you realize that he's bad.

862
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:30.439
We even put a recording of him
talking to the oversoul and being like freaking

863
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:31.479
out because he's like, I can't
do it. I can't be the bad

864
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:35.239
guy, you know, And and
you could if you really listened, if

865
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:40.479
you really like analyzed that, you
could probably figure out who it was.

866
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:48.079
But but we I thought that it
would be it would be cool to have

867
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.479
a thing where it's like you know
it's coming, you just didn't know how

868
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:55.920
bad it was gonna be. And
that was that was what the vibe is.

869
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.119
And I think that's something that we'll
do again in voice wax where voice

870
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:06.000
wax in ghost wax where you you
you might figure something out, but we'll

871
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:10.600
still find a way to to have
it be shocking just by its like its

872
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.840
intensity or depth, or we'll pull
one over on you people eventually. Yeah.

873
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:18.920
We like going back to the discord
the day of I love seeing people

874
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:25.600
like speculate wildly, but when it's
like sometimes it's like, oh man,

875
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.079
you guys are spot on, you
just don't know. And sometimes it's like

876
01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:34.079
what are you talking about? Sarah
being like I don't know what anyone in

877
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:39.640
the discord is talking about right now. It was so and I love the

878
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:44.520
ones that are parallel where it's like
you're right in everything but every detail.

879
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:46.640
Yeah, like that's exactly what's going
to happen, but you got every name

880
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:51.239
wrong. Oh this is going to
be tasty when this unfold. So good,

881
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:56.119
all right, folks, Well,
there are a lot more questions,

882
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.000
but This is getting long, so
think we will wrap it there. If

883
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:05.279
you guys want to ask us more
stuff, come see us on discord.

884
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:15.159
Yeah, yes, all right,
anything else to add y'all? Thank you,

885
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:18.680
Thank you for listening. I've said
this before, but I don't know

886
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:23.439
if I've said it here. We
could absolutely do this without our fans,

887
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:28.479
but it would be really sad,
would be incredibly it would feel very hollow

888
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:32.039
and very pointless. Thank you,
And it is so. It is so

889
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:41.199
just damn enervating to have people who
will take this horrible pain and trauma we

890
01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:44.279
put out and eat it with great
big spoons as fast as they can,

891
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.800
and then and then complain about it, and then complain that there wasn't more

892
01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:54.800
that said. Many of you have
asked we cannot pay your therapy bills but

893
01:16:55.319 --> 01:17:04.079
you join Patreon Patreon, yes,
your own give it the Patreon level free

894
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:08.760
therapy. Yeah, yeah we will. We promised to put some cozy's up

895
01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:13.000
on h on Patreon, so that
that can that can be our little like

896
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:15.960
dropping the bucket towards the therapy that
you that you will that everyone needs.

897
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:19.760
Frankly, oh yeah, we'll just
post like cute videos of bunnies and stuff.

898
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:23.359
No, No, I mean,
like, well, we'll cut episodes

899
01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.600
that are like about nice things.
Well, actually, right, the beach

900
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:33.520
day beach day episode, We'll just
video Aaron, Robbie and myself sitting on

901
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:40.279
a couch watching movies. Yea,
and call that hey look it is Yeah,

902
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:44.880
let's do a beach Adevnston definitely wears
those like like black and white stripulators.

903
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:51.359
Yeah. Yeah, whoa, I
just can't picture out like uncomfortable that

904
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:57.199
would be yeah, I definitely I
want to want to echo that. Man.

905
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:01.239
That's that's just thank you so much
for caring about our sad, doomed,

906
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.800
pretty little world that we're we're making. It means the world to us.

907
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:11.399
We are so like flattered and thrilled
to be part of such an incredible

908
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.680
medium, Like there are so many
people telling so many cool stories because it's

909
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:21.199
audio and it is an equalizer for
people to create stories without that are indie

910
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:27.000
and also like really puts a focus
on on the writing and the acting,

911
01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:31.840
and boy are people stepping off to
that challenge. And I just there is

912
01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:35.239
amazing shit out there and it is
just so cool to to be able to

913
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:39.239
be part of it in our you
know, small way and please join us

914
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:43.239
on Patreon. It is it is
such an you know, an awesome way

915
01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:47.319
to engage with people and and to
to support the show and and keep it

916
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:54.079
rolling along and expanding and and we've
got lots of fun stuff and cool ideas

917
01:18:54.079 --> 01:19:00.760
coming. So yes, thank you, and keep listening and and excelsior.

918
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:06.479
And if you can't afford to join
the Patreon, absolutely fine, we fully

919
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:11.279
understand. Join Discord, tell friends
about it. Yes, there is so

920
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:15.359
many ways to support support the show, and nothing is like word of mouth.

921
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.159
Absolutely, get on Discord and tell
us we're pretty that'll be oh man,

922
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:25.239
no idea? How you have no
idea? And we are pretty?

923
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:33.079
So yeah, especially especially in Stephanie's
case. Yeah, all right, well

924
01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:44.399
until we made again. Goodbye,
everybody, good bye. Thank you for

925
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:47.960
listening to ghost Wax, a production
of Foreign Tall Tales. Find us at

926
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:54.760
Foreign Talltales dot squarespace dot com.
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927
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:59.000
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928
01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:03.760
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929
01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:11.199
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930
01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:15.079
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931
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:17.359
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