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At a A. Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for

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this special livestream episode of dog Mean
Encounters Radio. For tonight, we're going

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to welcome back a special guest.
Of course, I'm talking about Mike from

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episode five O four. If you
remember, Mike came on that episode and

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talked about a very traumatic encounter you
had with a dog man up on Beer

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Mountain in Connecticut. It was,
like I said, an extremely traumatic experience

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for him. On that episode of
the show. He talked about what happened

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when he had that experience, and
that's good. But unfortunately, since that

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episode aired, some very unfortunate things
have happened to them. But of course

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we're going to get into that tonight
and there'll be plenty of time for Mike

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the answer any questions you might have
for him. But without any further ado,

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let's bring Mike on here now.
Mike, thanks so much for coming

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back. Thank you, VIC.
I appreciate your patience and I appreciate you

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giving me the chance to come back
on. I know I was supposed to

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do it the very next week,
but a lot of things have happened in

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my life since then and in my
head since then, so it's taken me

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a hot minute, but again I
appreciate your patience and I also am grateful

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that you brought me back on to
finish this. Are You're welcome well as

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far as timing goes, when it
come to this sort of thing, it's

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a simple answer as far as what's
the best way to handle it, and

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that answer is in your own good
time. Like I said, I mean,

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it's been so it's such a traumatic
experience that you had. If they're

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in Beera Mountain, I mean,
there's no reason to rush anything. So,

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like I said, in your own
good time. We're just glad to

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have you back to answer some questions
about the experience, also to get more

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off your chest, and it'll be
another good opportunity to see all the support.

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I'm not sure if you've noticed all
the support that people have been pouring

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out after that first episode aired.
By the way, well, it actually

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it took me about a month.
It wasn't until about maybe three days ago,

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to be honest, that I actually
went on to YouTube and I've read

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all the comments, each and every
single one of them, and there's like

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three hundred something. So I was
on there for like two hours, maybe

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even three hours, just reading all
the comments, and I was not prepared

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for that at all, to be
quite honest, you know, again,

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it took It took me a solid
month. It's been about one month since

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a little over a month since I
first told my story, and I was

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just so messed up in the head, and my family life was a little

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bit messed up because of it,
and so I just I had no intentions

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at all of even listening to myself, listening to the broadcast, or or

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reading any comments. And it wasn't
until about three days ago that I first

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found the nerve to go on and
to read all the comments, and I

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was blown away. A lot of
them made me cry, a lot of

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them made me giggle, and mostly
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and I felt like I wasn't alone, And although my children have made me

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feel that I'm not alone, just
hearing this from strangers, I felt as

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if I was in a community that
understood that, sure, what happened to

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me is not a singular thing,
and that many, many, if not

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hundreds of people have experienced the same
things that I did in that and maybe

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even more people have experienced it and
have never come forth. Oh sure,

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yeah, So many people have encounters
with these things that never come forward with

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the experience, and for understandable reasons. I mean, if they do come

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forward, is you found out yourself, there can be some serious problems that

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arise from that. And speaking of
that, all right, I know it's

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not a cheerful subject to talk about, but let's get into that now.

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Please tell us what you've been made
to bear since that episode aired. Well,

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so when I talked to you and
I told my story live stream.

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About three days later, I went
back down to home to the Roanoke area

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in Shenandoah and me and Midnight when
back home, uh my wife was in

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our end travelers and uh my,
my all three of my adult children knew

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immediately something was wrong with Midnight and
something was wrong with Dad, and uh,

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you know, I don't want to
I don't want to lay my burdens

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on anybody. I try to help
people, not not give them worries or

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concern, and uh so, you
know, I just I bottled it up,

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and I bottled it up. But
after three or four days, all

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three of my adult children noticed that
Midnight was acting weird. Dad was acting

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weird. And so they finally confronted
me, and uh, you know,

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these are my kids. So I
sat them all down, all three of

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them, and they're all adults,
eighteen, twenty one, and twenty six,

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and you know, I said,
Okay, this is what happened to

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me. So I relived it again. So not only did I relive it

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with the park ranger who got me
in touch with you, and then I

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relived it with you prior to the
show. Then I relived it a third

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time on the show, and now
I'm reliving it a fourth time with my

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children. I explained a little bit
to my wife over the phone, but

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she's busy and she wasn't really all
that interested, and you know, it

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was just like, okay, i'll
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home kind of thing. And so
I had to sit down with my kids

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and I explained everything to them word
for word. If anything, I probably

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even talked longer to my kids than
I did with you or anybody else.

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And uh, at that point,
I remember details that I I didn't remember

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from my life broadcast with you because
I was so in the moment and it

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was just so fresh in my mind
that it's like a month later, or

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even two weeks later, things are
popping into my head like oh, there's

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a description I forgot, and then
like, oh there's there's a there's a

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part of this that I completely just
it slipped my mind. So it's almost

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like when you're it's almost like what
you know, if if you witness a

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brutal crime and you're brought in by
the police and they ask you to give

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a statement if it's happening, you
know, if it's that day or the

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day after, you're going to give
a full, complete description of everything you

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remember, and then like three weeks
later, you'd be like, oh my

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god, my brain is now remembering
this thing that I completely forgot about,

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and you know, you want to
call the police again and be like,

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hey, I know I gave you
a complete statement, but there's something I

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forgot to tell you, and now
I got to add that to the statement

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kind of thing. I don't know
if that makes any sense or not,

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but that's kind of how I felt. So all three of my children believe

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me one thousand percent. My wife
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negative, negative, one thousand percent. So my children eventually ended up

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calling my wife in Montana and said, hey, midnight's messed up. Dad's

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messed up. We don't know why
you don't believe him. You know,

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we need you to come home.
We need you to be here right now

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to help support dad. She broke
She broke her contract. Now, mind

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you, she did not get fired
her job, understood. She said she

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had a family emergency, and so
she had to break her contract and come

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back home. She was not happy
about it. So she lost money on

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that, but she did not lose
her job. I'm thankful for that,

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just because I wouldn't want anyone losing
their job over me. So she lost

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money on it, but she didn't
lose her job. And so she came

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back home and I relived it one
last time, and I told her face

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to face with my kids. Right
there, all all five of us adults

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sat down and I relived the story
the last time, and she just did

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not believe a word of it.
No, this thing is were wolves.

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No, this thing as a dog
man. Uh. She actually came up

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with her own word, called coyote
guy, right because I kept saying were

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wolf. And then my oldest daughter
was like, Dad, they called you

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know, I've listened to the podcast
now that you told me about it.

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I have listened to it. They
call it a dog man. I'm like,

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okay, whatever, dog man.
And so my wife now makes fun

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of it by saying kyote guy,
which, for some weird reason, oh

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boy, upsets me. I agree, you know, like, I'm fine

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with dog man. I still I'm
still going with were wolf, which I

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know don't exist, but this damn
thing exists. But I know that the

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terminology here in the United States of
America is dog man, and and so

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that is that is what it is. And so she made fun of it

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by saying kyote guy. And it
was two days after she got back.

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Huh oh you cut out there?
Are you still there, Mike, Yeah,

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I'm here. Can you hear me? Okay, yeah, now we

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can. Yeah. Right after you
said two days after she got back,

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you went silent, So please restart
from there. Okay, I'm sorry.

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Two days after she got back,
she went to the magistrate, our local

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magistrate, and she filed for a
legal separation. And she came back home

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and she presented the legal separation papers
to me and said, you have you

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have two choices. You could just
sign these as an adult, or you

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could fight it and then we have
to hire lawyers. And take it from

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there. And again, you know, I'm a I'm a blue collar professional

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chef. I'm a working classman.
I can't afford lawyers, I can,

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you know I don't. I don't
think she can either, And so we

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we had a we had another lengthy
talk just by ourselves about love, respect,

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truth, honesty, and none of
that mattered, none of it,

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None of it mattered in her eyes. She thinks I'm crazy now. She

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thinks I'm on drugs or I have
some type of psychosis where my brain is

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sing chemicals and I just I went
crazy, like overnight kind of thing.

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That's that's what she's looking at me
as far as a registered nurse. She

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thinks I went into some kind of
psychopathy and I'm now crazy, and she

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doesn't want that in her life.
And she just says that she can't handle

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it. And so it was either
hire a lawyer, which I can't afford

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as a blue collar, working class
professional chef, or man up and signed

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the damn papers. And I asked
her to give me a moment, which

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was roughly about like an hour.
You know, I had a couple of

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beers, I calmed down, smoked
a cigarette, and I was like,

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Okay, if you don't believe me, fine, let's sign the papers.

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You don't believe me, You've been
with me twenty six years, right,

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twenty six years. You've been with
me, never lie to you, never

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hurt you, never let you down, always there for you and the kids

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and the grandkids. And if this
is what it comes to and you don't

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believe me, absolutely, f the
lawyers. I can man up. I'll

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sign these papers. So I did, and we are now legally in a

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court of law separated. And what
I did not know is that when she

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actually went to the magistrate to get
the legal separation papers, she also asked

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for divorce papers, so she has
those on hand. In the state of

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Virginia, you have to be legally
separated for one year before you can file

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for divorce. But she went ahead
and got the divorce papers anyways, right

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then and there when she asked for
the legal separation papers. So that tells

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me straight off, straight off the
bat. That tells me that there's no

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reconciliation, there's no possibility of making
this workout if she's getting the divorce papers

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at the same time she's getting the
legal separation papers, and you need a

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year of legal separation before you can
file for divorce. That tells me that's

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her mind is made up, and
that's it. And again I had a

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long talk with all three of my
adult daughters, and thanks to them and

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thanks to their love and support of
me, because they do believe me one

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thousand percent. I talk to them
every day on the phone. Because I

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no longer lived at the house anymore. With the legal separation required by law,

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someone has to vacate the house and
it's up to the adults in the

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separation to figure that out. And
I'm not going to ask my wife to

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leave the house. I'm not going
to ask my wife to leave the grandkids

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and everything. You know, I'm
gonna bite the bullet on that. So

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before the discussion even happened, I
just raised my hand like I'm some dunce

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fool in junior high and I said, okay, I raised my hand.

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I'll take it. I'll take the
bullet, I'll bite I'll bite the knife.

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It's fine. And for about two
weeks I stayed at a local motel

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that does like a weekly rental and
it was three hundred dollars a week.

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So for it's twelve hundred dollars for
this crappy, roach infested, nasty carpet

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motel room with a mini fridge in
a microwave. There's not even a stove,

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there's no burners, there's no oven. It's just a microwave and a

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mini fridge and a disgusting room for
three hundred a week, which comes out

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to twelve hundred a month. That
is ridiculous. After two weeks, I

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said, no, I'm gonna live
in my car. I'm literally just gonna

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sleep in my car and live in
my car because I'll save twelve hundred a

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month. And although I'll probably spend
a lot of money eating out at fast

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food places and you know, getting
ready to eat food at grocery stores and

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stuff like that, at least I'll
save so much money comparatively then dropping twelve

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hundred a month for this nasty,
nasty, the uh bug ridden room.

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My children are all torn up,
but they're they're all torn up about this,

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and they're they're very unhappy with their
mom right now. Uh she just

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signed another contract to go to UH
Shreveport, Louisiana. She leaves in one

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week, so she won't even be
there for the kids, and uh I've

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got all the love and support of
my three beautiful adult girls, and they

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all three of them told me,
you know, Dad, you know you

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need to focus on yourself. You
need to focus on your happiness. And

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you know, my oldest daughter actually
said, you know, you need to

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go out and date. Go go
date someone you know, fall in love

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again, find find love and happiness
again in your life. Dad, you

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deserve that. You're a good guy. You know, you have integrity.

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You'll take a bullet for anyone.
You know, you'll take the shirt off

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your back, You'll take the jeans
off your pants for anybody. You know,

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there's plenty of women out there that
would love to have you in their

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life and to better their life and
for them to better yours. And I'm

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like, well what about mom?
And my daughter is like, forget about

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Mom. She just went and made
you sign legal separation papers and then had

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back up divorce papers right next to
it, just waiting for the year to

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end. She's like, Dad,
you know, like, wake up,

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open your eyes, stop seeing this
through a certain filter, and see it

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through the filter of our eyes as
children. You need to move on.

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Mom. Don't believe you, she
never will. You're now homeless. We

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hate it. We think it's disgusting. There's going to be a big rift

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between our love for you and our
love for mom. That's not your faults.

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That's a completely different animal, nothing
to do with you, Dad.

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And it was hard for me to
hear all this. It was really difficult

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to absorb it and to come to
terms with it. But on a daily

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basis, they're texting me and calling
me. All three of my daughters,

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eighteen, twenty one, and twenty
six, all telling me, you know,

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focus on yourself, Dad, that's
it, that's you know. Don't

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worry about us. Us kids are
good, your grandkids are good. We're

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going to be fine. As long
as you talk to us daily, we're

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going to be good. Focus on
yourself. Go out, find your happiness,

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Try to go camping again. Maybe
get a puppy. Because Midnight Midnight

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passed away in the past month.
I'll get to her burial maybe later,

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maybe I won't. I don't know. I don't even know if I'm up

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for that. If someone asked me
about it, if someone brings it up

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in a question, sure I'll answer
it, and I'll bring it up at

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that point. But Midnight did pass
I think due to stress PTSD. She

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wasn't the same when she came home, just like I wasn't. And I'm

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still not. Obviously, I'm still
not normal. I'm kind of a little

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weird in the head because of this
experience. I mean, I'm as normal

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as I ever was. I can
still go to work, I can still

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do it eight hour day. I
can still talk to people like a normal

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person. But when I get out
of work, the first thing I think

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about is yellow eyes and snapping,
popping bone sounds and the sound of trees

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being ripped down as I'm running.
These are the things that immediately come to

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my brain as soon as I So
when I go to work, I shut

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everything out. I shut my family
out, I shut my experiences out,

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and I just focus on work as
a professional chef. That's all I can

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do to make a paycheck. But
as soon as I clock out and I

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leave that door and I'm walking to
my car, it all comes back to

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me in a rush, a big
rush, and it's like I immediately start

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having a panic attack because I immediately
start hearing those snapping, popping sounds.

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I see that enormous head, the
grotesque body, and those crashing sounds in

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the howls, the howls at the
end, which terrified me in midnight for

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the umpteenth time that night. And
I'm sure that had an effect on Midnight

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as well. And unfortunately, unfortunately
Midnight passed last week. And it's like

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losing your best friend. It's it's
like losing one of your soulmates, you

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know it is. I won't compare
it to losing it. I won't compare

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it to like, you know,
a parent losing their child. But Midnight

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was just as much a part of
the family as anybody. And I know

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she's just a dog, and people
consider dogs to be property. And if

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you go to a court of law, the court's like a dog's a property.

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It's not a it's not a it's
not a family members. It's a

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part of your property. It's not
a living member of your family. But

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anyone who has a dog or a
cat or any domesticated pet, no,

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that's not true. So it was
it was really difficult for my children.

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My five year old grandson cried like
all day, all day long, because

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Midnight and my grandson were just they
were the best buds. Like I told

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you in that conversation about a week
ago. Mike, I'm so sorry to

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hear that you're going through all this, and I'm so sorry to hear about

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Midnight passing. But Midnight was fifteen
years old. Like I told you,

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it doesn't make it any easier,
but she was a one hundred and twenty

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pound fifteen year old dog. I've
got no doubt you, being the type

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of guy you are, that she
lived a life that was just beyond amazing.

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So, like I told you in
that conversation, Midnight crossed the finish

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line. It was definitely a victory. Again, I'm so sorry that she

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passed, and you're right, yeah, that is a family member. But

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this situation is so much better than
you only being able to enjoy her company

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for two years than her passing.
Again, that doesn't make it easier.

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It's still tough, as I'll get
out, but I'm so glad having said

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that that, Yeah, you were
able to spend fifteen solid, good years

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with her, showing her an amazing
time, an amazing life. So yeah,

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just like with everything else here,
I really hope you can hang in

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there and do the best you can
to work through this. Yeah, none

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of this is easy to deal with
whatsoever. And as far as your wife

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goes on that side of this,
like I told you in that conversation,

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I can appreciate the fact that when
you got married to her, you have

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these ideas about her and how she
was, and she was, like you

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told me, the love of your
life, and there are so many good

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qualities to her, at least you
thought. But eventually, even someone like

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that who's not who you thought they
were, eventually that will be known.

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Everything comes out in the wash.
Well, unfortunately it took you twenty six

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years to have that come out in
the wash, but eventually, yeah,

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apparently it did come out in the
wash. Now, this doesn't make it

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any easier to deal with the fact
that she's trying to yank the ground out

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from underneath you. Doesn't make it
any easier at all. But just like

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I tell eyewitnesses, to try and
focus on encounters for what they really are,

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to cut through the chaff and look
at the experiences for what they really

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were and not for what it's all
too easy to make them out to be.

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Like I told in that conversation last
week, I really hope you focus

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on seeing your ex wife or what
she really is, and not putting those

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rose colored glasses on and getting all
sorrowfull because you think about her in ways

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that kind of mirror how you look
to her when you got married to her

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or years ago. When it boils
down to it, she's not worth anything.

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She really isn't. And I know
it doesn't seem like it right now,

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but she's actually doing you a favor
by revealing her true self to you.

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Again, doesn't make all this any
easier, but yeah, I mean,

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you know the truth now about her. So not only do I want

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you to focus on that encounter,
the facts of the encounter that happened to

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you, so that you don't traumatize
yourself any more than necessary by looking at

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it in ways that have nothing to
do with reality. Like I told you

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last week, I want you to
continue working on looking at your wife in

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this whole situation that she's put you
through. Consequently, look at her accurately,

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see her true color, and focus
on the fact that, yes,

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someone who would do what she's done
to you, she's not worth wanting to

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have in your life. She's not
worth wanting to have around at all.

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I mean, look at your children, their adults, Like you said,

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they've listened to you, lay out
on the table what you've been through,

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just like your wife did, and
all of them they're on your side,

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they're not on her side, And
for good reason, a well adjusted person

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would understand what you've been through and
how difficult this has been for you and

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not make fun of you and talk
about coyote man crap and all that stuff,

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make fun of you the way she
has. So Yeah, the remedy

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to this, it isn't an easy
one, but it's a definite one that

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is just focusing on the truth again, whether you're talking about your encounter or

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her. That's all it's going to
take for you to get through this.

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Now. On the side of you
unfortunately being homeless, now you've got an

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email add Like I told you before
we recorded the show, when you look

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at the reach of dog Me and
encounters, I've got no doubts that someone

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out there has either a room that
they'd be interested in renting you so you're

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not homeless anymore, or maybe they
own an apartment complex or an apartment building,

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or they own a home that they
would be interested in renting to you.

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If there is anyone out there listening
right now who owns a property that

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they'd be interested in renting Mike,
or even a room that they'd be interested

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in renting Mike. There is an
email address you can contact Mike at to

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let him know about that, so
that the two of you can be in

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contact so you can work this out. His email address for that would be

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Chef Michael Martin, the number seventy
four at yahoo dot com. That's chef

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Chef Michael Martin, the numbers see
four at yahoo dot com. Now,

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that would take care of the housing
situation. But as far as the funds

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go, people have been posting a
really good idea about creating a GoFundMe page.

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If if we could create a GoFundMe
to help you out, would you

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be interested in that? Well,
I've to be honest, I've I've never

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even put any thought into that.
I'm very self sufficient, Uh. I

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believe that you reap what you sew
and hard work gives you a good life.

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So I've never I've never really,
you know, I have friends where,

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you know, like their their mother
would get cancer and they would have

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a GoFundMe to try to because they
can't they can't afford the medical bills.

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Or you know, a newlywed couple
that has a newborn child that has birth

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defects, and the child desperately needs
care and attention, and just you know,

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being a newlywent couple, you're young
people, and you just you don't

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make the money to be able to
afford that, and they would put up

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a GoFundMe. And I've never been
in a situation ever in my life where

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I've ever had to do that.
I've never even the thought never even crossed

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my mind. So if you're asking
me, would I be okay with it?

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I've never been homeless. This is
my first time ever in my life,

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and it's quite embarrassing, and I
feel like less of a person.

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I truly, for the first time
in fifty years, in fifty years of

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breathing the air on this planet,
I've never felt so low, so little,

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so be little, so tiny.
So I feel like the biggest loser

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you could possibly imagine. So a
part of me wants to say no,

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I don't want to gofund me,
because if I can't pull myself up by

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my bootstraps, then it's not I'm
not worth being a human. But at

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the same time, I need so
much help right now being homeless, then

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I kind of want to say yes. So I don't know, Vic,

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I don't let me throw something on
that. I can understand how you're conflicted

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about this, because obviously you're a
prideful man and everything. So yeah,

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you're feeling this way is totally understandable. But please don't lose sight of the

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fact that this is not a situation
that you put yourself in. This is

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a situation you should have never been
put in in the first place. It's

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a situation that she put you in
due to her being unreasonable. As I'll

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get out, in a situation like
this, that is not your fault.

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It's not if you're doing I mean, there is no shame whatsoever in accepting

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help, no shame whatsoever in accepting
help. I really think you should heavily

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consider having a GoFundMe page opened,
and for everyone listening, Mike can go

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back and forth on this, but
please keep your eyes on the homepage of

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Dogman Encounters dot com. Dogman Encounters
dot Com. If Mike does decide to

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allow a GoFundMe page to be developed
created for him, right on that very

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first landing page of the show's website, That's where I'm going to post a

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link to it so you can help
him and help support him again. Mike,

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Please remember, if you put yourself
in this situation, that'd be one

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thing. But like I said,
you didn't do anything that made you deserving

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of having any of these problems.
So I really hope you do heavily consider

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saying you know what Vic's right about
that there's no shame in asking for help,

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especially when you're placed in a dire
situation due to no fault of your

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own. So I really hope you're
going to say yes about that. It's

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hard. I know it's hard,
and I told you before, don't be

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embarrassed whatsoever. I know you're prideful. I mean most of us are,

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But don't be embarrassed about crying or
needing help or anything like that. You've

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got so much to offer, You're
so strong to get to this point,

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even mean to boot you losing midnight
on top of all this, the fact

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that you're still here, I mean
that says volumes about your strength. I

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know at times, because you might
be crying about this aspect of it or

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that aspect of it, I know
at times you're gonna call in the question

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just how strong you are. But
trust me, when I tell you,

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the strength is there, The strength
is there. Man, I'm telling you

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what you're something else. You're awfully
impressive. Don't forget that because that's the

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truth. Wow, thank you,
Vic. Well, you're welcome, Mike.

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We've all needed help, every last
one of this have needed help.

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I've needed help more than once,
and unluckily, I've had great people in

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my life that were there to stick
out a helping hand. And I mean,

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you don't pretty much know anyone.
I don't think you know anyone who

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hasn't needed help at one time or
another. So please don't be too prideful

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to accept, to accept a hand
up when I hand up is exactly what's

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what's needed. So yeah, please
heavily consider that. I'm sorry to interrupt

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you. Please continue. No,
I'm usually, uh, I'm usually the

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one lending the helping hand to friends
and family and loved ones, so I'm

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not I've never had the reverse.
I've never. I've never I've always had

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my family to help me out in
any situation. I've that's ever arisen in

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my life well prior to meeting my
soon to be ex wife and and all

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that, you know, I've never
I've never needed a helping hand, and

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I'm always the one to extend the
olive branch or to you know, help

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a friend out financially or emotionally or
you know if Even with my Bare Mountain

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encounter when I first went on,
my whole main purpose for that was was

409
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,920
not to get it off my chest, although I wanted to. It was

410
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:34,360
to let people know, don't don't
go up there. This is these things

411
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,159
are up there, and I don't
want anyone else to get hurt. I

412
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:44,039
don't want anyone to die. I
don't want anyone to get mauled or injured

413
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:52,920
or go through what I went through. To me, that was my sole

414
00:39:52,039 --> 00:40:00,159
purpose for this, especially contacting the
park rangers to say, hey, you

415
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:04,920
know, there's this is what's going
on up there, and you can't like

416
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:10,599
shut it down, shut shut the
Appellation trail down for that three mile stretch

417
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:19,159
at least minimal, just so you
guys can do an investigation and do some

418
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,679
searching and and maybe you'll see what
I saw or or or or or see

419
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,840
some detective work of of Okay,
this doesn't seem right, or that doesn't

420
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:37,559
seem right, maybe this guy's onto
something. Let's uh, let's be very

421
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,239
cautious in this in this area,
let's let's put up signs, let's let's

422
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,159
do something. And that was my
main concern for even going on and doing

423
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:53,960
the initial live stream. But you're
you're you're very smart, VIC, and

424
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:05,719
you're very caring and you're very sweet, and I'm in no position to refuse

425
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:13,239
anything. So if you think,
if you personally and I trust you explicitly,

426
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:20,360
if you think it's in my best
interest to do that, then I

427
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:31,320
will. I will absolutely allow a
gofund me. I don't even know how

428
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:37,159
it works. I don't even know
the beginnings or the ends of it.

429
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,920
Truly, I'm clueless on that kind
of stuff because I've never had to deal

430
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:49,920
with it. But if you,
personally, VIC think that that is something

431
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:59,000
I should do, then my answer
is yes. Outside of that, back

432
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:12,639
to present day, I'm currently in
my car. It's illegal to sleep in

433
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:17,639
your car in the state of Virginia, so I'm constantly moving from like truck

434
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:24,840
stop to truck stop right here,
right now, as I'm having this interview,

435
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:32,760
this live stream interview with you,
I am at Big Reds. Silly

436
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,239
name, but I'm at Big Reds
truck stop and I'm way back in the

437
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:45,840
corner where all the loud trucks are
are not really near me so much,

438
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:51,599
And unfortunately, this is probably where
I'm gonna end up sleeping in my car

439
00:42:51,639 --> 00:43:01,159
tonight. And I would like to
say one thing about Midnight though. When

440
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:07,800
she passed away last week, I've
been terrified to go back in the woods.

441
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,239
I really have, and living on
the outskirts of Roanoke, Virginia,

442
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,800
right there by the Shenandoah National Forest, which is like connected to the Blue

443
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,519
Ridge Parkway and all that. I
mean, it's just hundreds and hundreds of

444
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:31,400
miles of wilderness, more so than
Connecticut. As much of the wilderness as

445
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,719
Connecticut was where the part I was
at at Bear Mountain, that is miles

446
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:44,840
and miles and miles of wilderness,
But this is hundreds and hundreds of miles

447
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:52,519
of wilderness because Connecticut is a much
more densely populated state compared to where I

448
00:43:52,599 --> 00:44:02,079
am in the Roanoke vicinity. So
there's this mountain that Midnight loved to go

449
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,840
to. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't have never even been to

450
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,440
the summit of this mountain if it
wasn't for Midnight she led me. I

451
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,199
think she was on a rabbit chase
or a squirrel chase, I don't know,

452
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,119
but she was just determined and she
was leading me. I wasn't leading

453
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:25,679
her on this particular We were doing
a solo camp like we always do again

454
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,280
Avid solo camper, and we were
on a solo camp and I kind of

455
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,320
really didn't have I don't like the
camp where there's a campsite. I don't

456
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,880
like doing that because if there's a
campsite and there's already a fire pit,

457
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:45,360
and you know, that means other
people know about it. Maybe you know,

458
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,280
there's millions of people in the US, so at any given point,

459
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,679
there could be some other family or
some other person that could come up to

460
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,639
this camp site and next thing,
you know, I'm now sharing this area

461
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:05,199
at somebody else, and that defeats
the whole purpose of solo camping. So

462
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:10,719
I like to pick these places that
are just you know, miles miles miles

463
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:17,440
twenty thirty miles deep into the wilderness, into the mountains. And at this

464
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:23,920
one, and this was about maybe
about ten years ago, she was just

465
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:29,360
leading me. She was she literally
was dragging me at the end of the

466
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,039
leash, and she had she had
a goal she had a she was pinpointing.

467
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,639
I don't know what she was chasing. I don't know what she was

468
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,039
smelling, but she she knew where
she wanted to go, and I was

469
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:44,920
just following her because I hadn't.
I had no idea where we're going to

470
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:52,119
camp that night. And you know, we're so from from the the Shenandoah

471
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:57,679
Park Ranger station to where you park
your car is about an eighth of a

472
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,159
mile, and then as soon as
you park your car is as soon as

473
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:07,920
you go into the woods. I
mean, you are just hundreds of miles

474
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,000
in any direction. You're going to
be alone. No houses. This is

475
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:17,400
state property. This is a state
sanctioned wilderness area. So there's no there's

476
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,599
no houses, there's no development,
nothing, It's just straight up wilderness.

477
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:29,320
And so I'm letting her lead me, and we ended up climbing. I

478
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,800
don't know why she wanted to do
this, but we ended up climbing this

479
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:37,920
super super steep mountain. When I
looked it up online, it came to

480
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:45,199
be three thousand, seven hundred feet
above sea level, so way higher than

481
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Bear Mountain was only two thousand,
three hundred and eighty feet. This was

482
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,760
like three thousand, seven hundred feet
like solid, no, no, three

483
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,280
thousand, seven hundred and one foot
or two feet. It was a solid

484
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,280
three thousand, seven hundred feet above
sea level. And we get to the

485
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,920
summit and I'm expecting there to be
like a family of rabbits or a family

486
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,599
of squirrels, Like what what are
you so determined to get up here for?

487
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,400
What? Why are we chasing whatever
we're chasing? And there was nothing.

488
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:23,599
There was nothing there. And she
literally just sat down on her haunches

489
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,000
and just was panting. She was
just sitting there looking to me, panting

490
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:35,599
like, Yeah, this is what
this is where I wanted to be the

491
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,239
whole time. And I've never been
there. She's never been there. We've

492
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,519
never been to this summit before.
I didn't even know the name of the

493
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:47,039
summit until we came back down and
I looked it up on GPS, and

494
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,719
then finally I'm like, oh,
that that's the mountain. That's the name

495
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:57,440
of the mountain. I was at
Mount Crawley. C r ow l e

496
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:04,639
y so cool. She picked Mount
Crawley three thousand, seven hundred feet above

497
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,599
sea level, and it was a
beautiful view. It was gorgeous. You

498
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:13,239
could see the mountain ranges all around
us. Everywhere you look panoramic view,

499
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:17,159
just mountains and mountains and mountains all
the equal, same level, nothing higher

500
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:22,840
in the distance, nothing lower in
the distance. We are literally in like

501
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:30,800
the biggest group of mountains in this
particular subdivision of the Shenandoahs, which is

502
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:40,000
a subdivision of the Appalachians in Virginia. And so when she passed away a

503
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:50,559
week ago, I took my fear
of the forest and I did my best

504
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:59,199
to swallow it. Again, I'm
not a gun guy, so I brought

505
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:08,119
two knives, two belt knives,
two pocket knives, and two chest harnessed

506
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:13,039
knives. So I had one,
two, three, four, five,

507
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,079
six, seven eight. I had
eight knives on me. Two of them

508
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:20,880
were bowie knives. And if anybody
knows what a bowie knife is, that's

509
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,639
like one stab and you're dead,
well at least for a human. So

510
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,480
I was geared up. I don't
like guns, never been a gun guy.

511
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:35,239
Only hunting I've ever done is been
bow hunting. And again, like

512
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,440
I said in the first live stream, I'm an amateur. I pretty much

513
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:51,199
suck at it. So I ate
my fear of the wilderness. And even

514
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:57,559
though My experience happened in New England
on Bear Mountain in Connecticut. It's like,

515
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:05,360
you know, the Shenandoa mounta are
a far more extensive wilderness than the

516
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,000
Bear Mountain wilderness. So if they're
up there, I'm pretty damn sure they're

517
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:15,239
down here as well. They have
to be, especially when the park ranger

518
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,880
told me that she is in contact
with fellow park rangers from all across the

519
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:30,760
country, all across other national forests
on a weekly to monthly basis, and

520
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,679
they all talk about these things.
So yeah, I'm in the Shenandoah National

521
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,920
Forest, So that's one of those
parks that I'm sure she knows a ranger

522
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:49,800
that she communicates with on a weekly
or monthly basis. So I ate my

523
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:58,199
fear. What I did was I
had midnight's ashes. I had a cremated,

524
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:07,239
which cost me a pretty penny.
I had it cremated, and I

525
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:10,960
had I had nothing to put her
in. So I asked the services,

526
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,239
you know, do you have anything
like really pretty, something beautiful for a

527
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:25,800
female for a female dog, And
they presented me a lacquered oak, a

528
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,360
lacquered oak box that they would put
her in. And they would put like

529
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:37,800
a stainless steel plaque on the front
with her name on it. And I

530
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:44,280
said, that's beautiful. Let's go
with that. And so once she was

531
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:52,159
cremated, they had her placed into
the box. So I took the box

532
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:58,840
with me in a backpack. It
was it was my last It was my

533
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,920
last hiking trip with Midnight, and
I brought her up to Mount Crawley,

534
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,920
that one damn mountain that she was
so determined to get to the summit of

535
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,719
for reasons I still have no idea, swear to this day. I thought

536
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,239
she was chasing something, but nope. When she got to the summit,

537
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,679
she just sat on her haunches and
just had her tongue lolling off the side

538
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:28,840
of her mouth, just panting like, hey, we're here. And I'm

539
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,039
like, okay, thanks, thanks
for that Midnight. And so it was

540
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:38,239
our last hike together. Unfortunately she
was in my backpack and not beside me.

541
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:47,760
And when we got to the summit, I took my I took my

542
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:54,079
grandpa's military shovel and I started digging
and I was digging and digging and digging.

543
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:02,760
I think I dug a decent sized
hole about four feet roughly about four

544
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:09,199
feet down and I put her in
it before I put the box in there,

545
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:15,679
though, I wrapped the box in
a garbage bag just to protect it

546
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:24,880
from weathering and from rain water seeping
into the soil. I also included about

547
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,519
twenty pictures of me and her together
that we've taken, that I've had taken

548
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,800
of us, or that I've taken
of us selfies, and this and that

549
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:40,719
and the other. Some are polaroids, some I just uploaded online and then

550
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,119
printed out. So I had about
twenty photos of me and Midnight together on

551
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:52,559
all of our different excursions and adventures
solo camping, and I put those into

552
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:59,320
the bag as well. And I
also wrote a note saying, hey,

553
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:07,199
whoever finds this one hundred two hundred
three thousand years from now whenever, I

554
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,320
mean this as a time capsule.
I want this to be a time capsule

555
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:19,079
if anybody, for whatever reason,
comes to the summit of Mount Crawley three

556
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:24,119
thousand, seven hundred feet and decides
to put a tower up here or level

557
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:29,039
the mountain off for whatever reason for
development, this, that and the other.

558
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:31,800
I don't know it's a national force. I don't really see that happening.

559
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:38,039
But for whatever reason, if anybody
ever dug up that particular section of

560
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:49,159
the summit of Mount Crawley and they
found this bag with her urn in it

561
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,880
and these photos in a letter.
I just wanted them to know, like

562
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,119
I wanted it to be like a
time capsule, you know, like you

563
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:00,760
do when you're in elementary school.
You know, like the teacher has everyone

564
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:08,079
put something into a container or or
you know, some drawings or a spaghetti

565
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:13,320
necklace or you know, like whatever, a toy. You know, like

566
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,360
put put your things that represent you
into this container. We're going to bury

567
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,159
it, and then fifty two one
hundred years from now, you know,

568
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,079
the classmates will come out, they'll
open it, and then we can all

569
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:30,360
like, look at what happened fifty
two one hundred years ago. So I

570
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,880
kind of wanted that to be what
I was trying to do. And I

571
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:44,079
mean, six thousand, ten thousand
years might go by before anybody discovers this

572
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:49,639
because it is literally on a summit
of a three thousand, seven hundred foot

573
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:57,519
mountain in the middle of the Shenandoah
National Park, which is you cannot develop

574
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,119
on this area at all. At
the very most, if they want to

575
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:07,920
put a tower for internet or communication
that I could see. I could see

576
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,159
that, I could see the park
allowing that because it doesn't really disturb the

577
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:19,119
natural forest, or the inhabitants,
or the animals, or the waterworks or

578
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:24,360
you know, it doesn't disturb the
ecology. But I just thought it would

579
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:30,760
be special for her because that was
her place. That's she brought me there

580
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:37,000
on her own volition, on her
own instinct. And I couldn't think of

581
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:46,400
any better way to respect her and
love her than to bury her with about

582
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:55,480
twenty photos of me and her happy
together in our fifteen years. And then

583
00:56:55,519 --> 00:57:06,599
I wrote a letter describing who she
was, how much she weighed, how

584
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:10,280
good of a dog she was,
what breed of a dog she was,

585
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,440
And at the very end, I
said, if anybody ever digs this up,

586
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,679
bring this to city Hall please,
and maybe Midnight will get her own

587
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:29,320
little plaque at city Hall. Two
hundred years you know. So I buried

588
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,639
her in twenty twenty four. If
someone finds this in two thousand, one

589
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:39,400
hundred and twenty four, one hundred
years later, you know, maybe city

590
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:44,079
Hall, they'll bring up the city
Hall and be like this, This guy

591
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:47,639
cared so much about his damn dog
that he went through all this trouble.

592
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,719
Let's go ahead and make a plaque
for Midnight, and then maybe they'll hang

593
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,039
the photos up and they'll have my
little letter there and everybody can read it

594
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,360
and appreciate it. And maybe maybe
the little pre she the Shananda Mountains a

595
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,880
little bit more as well, you
know, maybe don't give the mountains a

596
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,800
little bit more of a homey feeling
or a little bit more of a sentimental

597
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:15,880
feeling. And that that is what's
happened to me in a nutshell over the

598
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:23,760
past month. I'm sorry, but
I'm like I got snot running down my

599
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,880
nose and I got tears running down
my face. I'm a mess right now.

600
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,760
No, don't apologize for that.
That's expected. Like I said,

601
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,800
yeah, I don't even think about
apologizing for it. Well, I've got

602
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,800
to tell you, after all the
stress that you're going through right now,

603
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:44,599
for you to be able to give
Midnight that good of a send off,

604
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,480
that's really impressive. She was a
special dog, but you obviously had quite

605
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,199
a special owner. Please never forget
that. And I want to put it

606
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:58,360
out there. Not only am I
going to put a link for the GoFundMe

607
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,039
page for you on the home page
of Dogmandecounters dot Com Mike, for anyone

608
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:07,840
listening who'd like to contribute to the
GoFundMe page we're going to create. We're

609
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,400
going to have that up and running
in at the most a day or two.

610
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,159
If you go to the description for
tonight's show, you'll find a link

611
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,639
to that go fundme page as well. I'm not sure how far into the

612
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,960
future it's going to be there on
the homepage for dog Mean Encounters. I'm

613
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,719
not sure how long Mike's gonna need
help with this, but yeah, I

614
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,880
mean, if you go to the
description for tonight's show, that's always going

615
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,920
to be there. There's always going
to be a link to his GoFundMe page

616
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:36,840
for as long as it's active,
So that'll make it really easy to find

617
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,199
that way, really easy. Well, i'm not sure if you can see

618
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:45,239
the comments that are being left here
in the live chat, Mike, but

619
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:51,039
you've got tons and tons of support. There's so many people behind you speaking

620
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:55,519
of help and people wanting to help
you out with this horrible situation that you've

621
00:59:55,519 --> 01:00:00,159
been put in again by your wife. You told me before we started recording

622
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:06,440
that you're open being a chef.
You're open to traveling, if someone in

623
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,719
a particular place had a room or
maybe a house they would rent you,

624
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,320
or maybe they have an apartment unit
that they'd be interested in renting you.

625
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:20,760
You told me that you're up for
traveling. How far would you be willing

626
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:28,440
to go though, if someone did
have a place to offer you to stay,

627
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,679
well, anywhere. For ten years
of my life I used to be

628
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:42,280
a travel chef, just same concept
as my soon to be ex wife as

629
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,119
a travel nurse. I actually met
her as a travel chef. Well,

630
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:50,320
she was a travel nurse. And
so I've been all over the country.

631
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:57,679
I've been from California all the way
all along up and down the western coast

632
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:04,480
to the middle of the country,
to the southwest to Minnesota, you know,

633
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,360
New England, all the way down
to the deep South. I've worked

634
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:14,519
all over the country as a as
a travel chef. I don't do that

635
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:20,559
gig anymore because, you know,
once once I had kids, you really,

636
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:24,159
you know, someone needs to be
home. And although my soon to

637
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:29,639
be ex wife continue doing that,
I'm not gonna yell at her. I'm

638
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:31,960
not gonna, you know, like, if that's your passion, if that's

639
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,800
what you want to do in life, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try

640
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,559
to talk you out of it.
I got the kids, I got this.

641
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:44,760
You go do your thing. I'll
stop being a travel chef. I'll

642
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:50,119
be I'll be a state home chef. I'll just work a job locally in

643
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:57,239
town. So as far as where
am I willing to travel at this point

644
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:01,440
in my life. And I'm basing
this off of the advice of all three

645
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:09,320
of my adult daughters. They just
want me to focus on myself, to

646
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:16,760
be happy and being that I'm fifty, and I mean, I hope I

647
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:23,360
live forever. But let's face it. You know, if I was to

648
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:29,039
live to one hundred, I would
be middle aged right now. And not

649
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:32,559
too many people live to be one
hundred. Most people go around seventy or

650
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:40,000
eighty. So I'm past I'm past
midlife. I don't know. Hopefully I

651
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,039
have a long life ahead of me. But all my kids want from me

652
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:55,840
is to focus on myself and to
live a happy life, hopefully maybe meet

653
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:02,159
that forever person, fall in love
again, and like literally just live a

654
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:08,800
genuinely healthy, happy life. And
if I got to drive across the country

655
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:14,719
to do it, I have no
problem. I'm a professional chef. Everybody

656
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,000
needs to eat. There's a job
waiting for me in any city, in

657
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:24,559
any town, in any state.
It doesn't matter where I go. It

658
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:30,519
can be the smallest town on the
planet. As long as they have a

659
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:35,159
restaurant, I can get hired and
I will have a job. I can

660
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:38,599
pay my rent, I can pay
my gas, I could pay my utilities,

661
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:45,559
I could pay the bills I have
that That's never been a stress issue

662
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:50,679
for me as a professional chef.
No matter where I go, I can

663
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,960
always land a job because everybody needs
to eat and everybody loves eating. And

664
01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:08,719
with my extensive amount of experience in
skill level advanced skill level, I can

665
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,800
work the high end restaurants all the
way down to the low end restaurants.

666
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,599
It does not matter of paycheck's a
paycheck. Again, I'm very blue collar.

667
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:21,519
I'm a working man. That's all
I care about. Pay the bills,

668
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:28,239
make my significant other happy, and
make my landlords happy. That's really

669
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,519
all that matters. And you notice
I didn't say make myself happy. I'm

670
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:40,840
always the last one, like I
always think of me being the last person

671
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,199
happy, and my kids get on
me about that constantly. Like Dad,

672
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:49,679
you need to put yourself first.
You deserve it, you've earned it.

673
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:55,000
You need to put yourself first.
But I just I've never been that type

674
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:59,719
of guy. It's always like I
want I want everyone else to be happy

675
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:06,840
first, and then maybe everyone's collective
happiness will like hickle down onto me and

676
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:12,159
then and then I can enjoy the
happiness of everyone else being happy. But

677
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,559
they're like, it doesn't work like
that. You know, maybe it worked

678
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:20,360
like that when you were young,
because apparently I'm as old as dirt,

679
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,320
and apparently it might have worked that
way when I was young, my kids

680
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,800
say, but nowadays, it doesn't
work like that. And if you want

681
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,280
your happiness, you have to go
and you have to get it. But

682
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:38,960
really, I'm willing to travel anywhere
in the country as long as you're a

683
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:45,320
good landlord or a good person or
a good friend, anyone who's willing to

684
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:53,760
understand what I've been through, understand
what I am currently going through as I

685
01:05:53,840 --> 01:06:06,400
tell this story, and knowing that
I'm a good man. Huh, oh,

686
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:11,880
you cut out again? Are you
there? I'm here, I'm here

687
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:18,199
victims, Okay, but that's that's
yes. So the answer is yes,

688
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:24,280
I'm I'm I'm willing to travel anywhere
for a good landlord, for a good

689
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:29,199
person, male or female, doesn't
matter to me. I'm who knows.

690
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,360
We might end up being best friends, we might we might end up being

691
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:36,000
significant others. I have no idea. You never know. And this is

692
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:40,400
what my adult children keep telling me, because I'm not used to this stuff.

693
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,000
You never know what life is gonna
throw at you until you go out

694
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:50,639
there and give it a try,
experience it, you know, like take

695
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:55,800
a chance, you know, like
get out of your bubble, get out

696
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,199
of your safe zone, find a
good place to live, find a good

697
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,239
landlord. You know, you might
meet your best friend, you might meet

698
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:10,079
your future wife. You never you
never know. And of course these are

699
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:13,880
not the things that are on my
mind, but these are things that all

700
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:18,119
three of my daughters, who I
trust and love and respect, are telling

701
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:25,559
me simultaneously. And if I don't
listen to them, I'm the dumbest dad

702
01:07:25,639 --> 01:07:30,480
and on the planet I would have
to be the dumbest dad on the planet

703
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:36,360
to not listen to these three intelligent, very well rounded, beautiful adults.

704
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:45,679
So yeah, there's I'll go wherever
as long as as long as they're good

705
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:50,199
people. That definitely does help.
Yeah, being a chef, like you

706
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:54,880
said, that helps tremendously being able
to live anywhere and still be able to

707
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,679
make a living. And for the
people listening to the show, like I

708
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,840
said, if you do have a
place, you'd be interested in allowing Mike

709
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,039
to rent the email address you can
reach him at to let him know so

710
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:13,679
you can work out the fine details
would be Chef Michael Martin. This is

711
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:21,520
all spelled conventionally, Chef Michael Martin, the number seventy four at yahoo dot

712
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,760
com. And I'm going to put
that email address in the description for tonight's

713
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,359
show as well. That'll make it
really easy to find that as well.

714
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,520
But now we've put that out there, and Mike, I've got some questions

715
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,000
that the listeners are posting with they
want me to ask you. The first

716
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:42,520
question would be from Vanessa, and
Vanessa wants to know do you think the

717
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:53,600
encounter had anything to do with Midnight's
passing? Oh wow, I actually thought

718
01:08:53,600 --> 01:09:00,000
about this the very night that Midnight
passed. I actually thought about that because

719
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:09,439
if you remember, in my initial
encounter when we were talking, I kept

720
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:16,800
hearing this voice in my head m
death, death, Death, death,

721
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:25,960
Death, and I attributed it to
me. I thought that was me.

722
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,239
I thought I thought, in my
head, I'm thinking to myself, I'm

723
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,960
gonna die. I'm gonna die.
I'm gonna die. Death death death,

724
01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:38,680
death. Death. But at the
same time, like I mentioned in the

725
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:44,399
first live stream, I don't think
it was me, but I you know,

726
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,640
again, I'm not gonna say I
think this thing was telepathically talking to

727
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:54,600
me, like like that episode with
with the military guy and his sergeant top

728
01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:00,359
and all that. I'm not even
going there because I just not even sure

729
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:09,359
that, you know, telepathy is
even something humans can interact with. But

730
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:16,560
why that came into my head at
that moment that I'm peeing myself and I'm

731
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,399
frozen in sheer terror, I don't
know why, but it was there,

732
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:30,359
and I remember it vividly. Death
death, death, death. So I

733
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:36,520
don't know. That's a good question. Was was the dog man referring to

734
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:47,640
Midnight passing only a month after I
don't that's a very good question. I

735
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,560
I don't know if I can answer
that accurately, but that that is something

736
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,119
I thought about. It did come
to my mind as soon as she passed.

737
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:59,199
I was like, oh my god, it's a month later, and

738
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:02,880
death death that's running through my head, that that popped in. That is

739
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:11,359
something I absolutely did think about when
midnight passed. That sure is awfully eerie.

740
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,800
It really does make you wonder what
that was all about, But of

741
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,760
course we can wonder until we're blue
in the face and never know. It's

742
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:25,199
just one of those things awfully strange. The next question is from Sepster sixty

743
01:11:25,319 --> 01:11:29,159
seven, and his question is,
Mike, I recall your encounter that you

744
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:33,039
stated I'm sorry, I says Mike, I recall in your encounter that you

745
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:39,359
stated you were an atheist. I'm
curious since you did not realize these things

746
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:46,000
existed and now they do. Have
you considered the possibility that God exists?

747
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:51,600
Absolutely not. If anything, it
convinces me more that God does not.

748
01:11:55,560 --> 01:12:03,680
If if there was a kind,
gentle God, first of all, there

749
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:15,119
are millions, millions of innocent children
that die every day from starvation, from

750
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:27,279
disease, and from war. Innocent
children, babies dying from starvation, disease,

751
01:12:27,319 --> 01:12:30,840
and war, all across the world, by the millions, not thousands,

752
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:36,640
but by the millions. If there
was a God and he allowed that

753
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:43,800
to happen, that's no god that
I would ever want a worship and if

754
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:51,600
there was a God and he created
these creatures that I encountered, again,

755
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,399
that is no god that I would
ever want a worship. So no,

756
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:04,279
it did not bring me closer to
religion. It brought me closer to atheism.

757
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:10,359
The next question is from Sarah Laize
and her question is do you think

758
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:18,039
you'll go solo camping again? Well, I've that's it again. Thank you

759
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:26,000
for the question that that is a
good one, and I contemplated that my

760
01:13:26,079 --> 01:13:32,680
whole drive down from Connecticut back home, and even after I got home on

761
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,119
a daily basis. When I went
back to work, you know, I

762
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:40,119
shut myself off and then as soon
as I get out of work, I

763
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:44,119
think about it again. And I
questioned myself, you know that that's a

764
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:48,479
love of mine, and you know
I've been doing it with Midnight for fifteen

765
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:53,880
years, so if I do it
again, you know, like okay.

766
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:58,640
So with Midnight, okay, it's
solo camping in the sense that I'm the

767
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:03,720
only human being. But with Midnight
there it really wasn't solo camping because I

768
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:09,319
had my best friend, I had
my buddy, so without her, it

769
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:16,159
truly would be solo camping. And
I've contemplated that, and it took a

770
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:23,079
lot of nerve to go back into
the wilderness to climb up Mount Crawley to

771
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:28,359
that mountaintop that she brought me up
to for whatever reason, I still have

772
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,920
no idea why, but that was
her mountain. That literally like that,

773
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:36,199
that was her mountain. She peed
on a tree and marked it and everything.

774
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:45,920
So that that gave me some peace
of mind that I wasn't accosted,

775
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:49,960
I wasn't attacked. I heard no
howls, there was nothing out of the

776
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:56,000
ordinary. I didn't get any weird, creepy feelings. So that did give

777
01:14:56,039 --> 01:15:03,720
me a sense that yes, maybe
maybe I can and eventually not right now

778
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:09,880
for sure, but yes, to
answer the question, I do think that,

779
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:14,640
yes again I will, with with
the right person, the right friend,

780
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,239
the right lover, the right animal, I do think that I would

781
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:21,520
be able to go back in and
continue to start the camp. Yes,

782
01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:28,079
yes I do. That's great.
Yeah, I'm sure in time you will

783
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:31,199
start doing that. And yeah,
this isn't the end, it's far from

784
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,960
the end. I'm glad that you're
not going to give up. You're going

785
01:15:34,039 --> 01:15:38,039
to focus on trying to continue to
live your life, and you're only good

786
01:15:38,079 --> 01:15:41,840
time, that is. But yeah, definitely don't give up. That would

787
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,760
be a travesty if you did.
And I'm so impressed you have the moxie

788
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,399
to be able to head up that
mountainto to Bury midnight the way you did.

789
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:55,319
Most people couldn't have done that.
I was scared. I won't I

790
01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:59,600
won't deny it. Vic. I
was terrified to even go into the wilderness

791
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,319
alone. And because even with Midnight, I felt like I had to protect

792
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:05,600
her. She always protected me,
and she was always like, you know,

793
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:11,800
like if something bad happened, she
was the one to protect me more

794
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:16,800
so than me protecting her. And
so going up there without her that was

795
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,199
rough. Man, that was rough, and with my emotional state, and

796
01:16:26,039 --> 01:16:30,239
yeah, no, I'm sure it
wasn't easy at all. Like I said,

797
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:34,560
most people couldn't have done that.
You've got sand, you definitely do.

798
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,439
The next questions from baby Girl,
and she wants to know if you've

799
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:45,640
ever seen werewolf movies that have a
werewolf that you would compare to that dog

800
01:16:45,680 --> 01:17:01,119
me and that you saw. Oh
several, Okay, there are several A

801
01:17:01,399 --> 01:17:12,039
list movies or even B movies where
the werewolves were comparable to what I saw

802
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:30,720
I'd say the one that sticks out
the most, uh, on the other

803
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:39,760
side of that lean to when it
stood up after the popping and snapping and

804
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:45,239
grinding noises of its joints and bones, when it stood up at its full

805
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:56,159
height, I would say the werewolf
movie that I would compare it to the

806
01:17:56,279 --> 01:18:04,079
most would be the original nineteen eighties
Howling. The original Howling, not Howling

807
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:05,960
two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

808
01:18:06,039 --> 01:18:09,760
ten. I mean, there's like
probably twenty of them now, but

809
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:19,880
the original Howling from the eighties.
That that was what I saw because the

810
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:27,399
head was so enormous, the mall, the mall on this thing was so

811
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:35,199
gigantic. Again, it could literally
just chomp down on my head and just

812
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:40,600
rip it off and swallow it.
It was that large. When I say

813
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:47,520
massive head, I mean massive damn
head. And its body was just I

814
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:57,319
mean everyone talks about sasquatch being eight
nine feet tall and broad and muscular.

815
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:02,119
I mean this thing, this thing
probably could have taken a sasquatch out without

816
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:08,520
too much trouble. Maybe the sasquatch
could have given it a bit of a

817
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:14,880
struggle, but I mean this thing
probably would have taken a full grown adult

818
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:21,880
male sasquatch out. That's the only
way I could describe how viciously brutal the

819
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:30,079
composition of its body was. And
I would relay that to the very first,

820
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:34,560
the very first Howling movie. But
there's others, like Dog Soldiers.

821
01:19:35,279 --> 01:19:44,000
It looked comparatively like some of them
on the movie Dog Soldiers. When it

822
01:19:44,039 --> 01:19:47,720
was on all fours, when it
first cleared the brush, it looked like

823
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:55,960
the werewolf from an American Werewolf in
London in the scene where it's running through

824
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,039
the streets of London on all fours. It looked very, very much like

825
01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:06,279
that when it was on fours,
but when it stood up, it looked

826
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:11,680
more like the werewolf from the original
Howling. I hope that helps. I

827
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,159
hope, I hope that's a good
description. Sure, it sounds like a

828
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:19,119
good description to me. So now
I think you did well describing it.

829
01:20:20,039 --> 01:20:26,039
The next question is from Sepster sixty
seven. He wants to know, Mike,

830
01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:31,760
what are some details that you remembered
after the first interview? Right,

831
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:42,479
And there's a few. So it's
eyes now, mind you. It had

832
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:48,039
these yellow eyes that were like,
again, the only way I can describe

833
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:57,439
him as like a cran box yellow
eyes straight up from a cranbox, like

834
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,039
you know, when you're seven years
old and you're in elementary school and you

835
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:08,560
get your first box of twenty four
crons. It's the yellow. The eyes

836
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:15,960
looked just like that. But what
I do remember is that it's it's the

837
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:20,920
I don't know what you call that
part of the eye, but the pupil

838
01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:29,039
I guess the black, the black
part of the eye. It was almost

839
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:35,520
like a star burst. It wasn't
like a cat's eye where there a vertical

840
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:42,079
slit. Nothing like that. Throw
throw that to the wayside, nothing even

841
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:48,239
remotely like that. It was more
like a like a like an asymmetrical starburst,

842
01:21:49,079 --> 01:22:00,800
like imagine an exploding sun and all
these different tendrils are coming out of

843
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:06,239
the center of the sun. But
yet it's asymmetrical. It's not symmetrical whatsoever.

844
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:12,840
That is something I noticed. Again, as I mentioned at the very

845
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,840
beginning of this particular interview, there
are several things that when I got back

846
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:25,640
home that I remembered that I wasn't
able to put onto the initial show.

847
01:22:26,079 --> 01:22:30,720
And I'm glad that that person asked
that question, because that is absolutely one

848
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:36,199
hundred percent. One of the things
I remember is when I was staring at

849
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:42,800
it, because, mind you,
when it had me in that sheer tear

850
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:47,119
of grip where I could not move
like the Medusa, I mentioned the ancient

851
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:55,079
Greek gorgon Medusa. When it had
me in that Medusa grip where I was

852
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:59,640
turned to stone and I could not
move, no matter how terrified I was.

853
01:23:00,399 --> 01:23:04,279
I could only look at its eyes, and it looked into my eyes,

854
01:23:05,039 --> 01:23:13,880
and we literally had a moment of
just where I was wedding myself and

855
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:21,079
this thing was enjoying itself. And
what I remember and what I recall were

856
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:32,439
these a black pupil that reminded me
of like an asymmetrical starburst. And I

857
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:38,600
as crazy as that sounds, go
ahead make fun of me. That's on

858
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,840
you. But that's that's what I
recalled, and that's what I remember,

859
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:46,560
and it's one of the things that
truly scare the crap out of me to

860
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:54,359
this day, and understandably so.
And that's just about the best description of

861
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:57,600
a dog man's eye I think I've
ever heard. Yeah, by a long

862
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,800
shot, that's a really good description. Well, I've got another question for

863
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,000
you, Mike from Lewis Franco.
And Lewis wants to know. Have you

864
01:24:04,119 --> 01:24:15,479
been experiencing any nightmares? Absolutely every
night. I don't know if you want

865
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,840
to call them night terrors. I
know what night terrors are. I've watched

866
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:27,000
documentaries on night terrors, and some
people are frozen in bed. They see

867
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:31,319
things that people don't believe. Some
people see ghosts, some people see shadow

868
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:39,119
people, some people see aliens,
and they can't move. They're frozen solid.

869
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:45,600
Just like I was on Bear Mountain, I could not move. Sheer

870
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:53,720
terror. Whatever this thing was doing
with its eighs locked me right then and

871
01:24:53,800 --> 01:25:01,399
there. If it were to let
go of its grip on me, huh

872
01:25:01,399 --> 01:25:09,039
oh, we lost you again?
Are you there? I'm here? Okay,

873
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:15,039
good, I'm sorry. Please continue
night terrors. I've had nightmares.

874
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:19,920
I don't know. I don't know
if I've had night terrors because I've never

875
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:28,960
woken up frozen where I can't move. But I've had many nightmares on a

876
01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:32,720
nightly basis. I had one last
night, the night before, the night

877
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,760
before that, the night before that, the night before that, the night

878
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:42,319
before that, week after. For
the past month, every single night I

879
01:25:42,399 --> 01:25:48,439
go to bed, I have a
nightmare about this encounter. And unfortunately,

880
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:55,960
I hate to say this, but
I have to self medicate myself before I

881
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:02,119
go to sleep so that I don't
dream, or I don't dream as vividly.

882
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:10,000
In my experience, if you drink
alcohol, you don't really dream as

883
01:26:10,079 --> 01:26:14,760
much, or if you do,
you don't remember it the next morning.

884
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,439
And if you do have a nightmare, you don't really remember it so much

885
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:25,279
the next morning, if you've had
some drinks the night before. And I

886
01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:28,720
hate to say this because it's not
me, This is not how I am.

887
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:32,760
I do enjoy cocktails when I'm hanging
out with friends socially, like everybody

888
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:38,359
else, Like every other blue collar
working person on the planet. We all

889
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:43,640
enjoy getting together with our friends and
loved ones and letting lose and having some

890
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,439
drinks and having fun. But I'm
doing this solo. I'm doing this alone

891
01:26:48,039 --> 01:26:54,359
in my car, homeless, and
it's terrible. I hate it. It

892
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,760
makes me feel disgusting, it makes
me feel like a loser. It makes

893
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,960
me feel like I'm less than nothing. But if I don't have a few

894
01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:10,640
drinks before I go to sleep in
my car, I will wake up in

895
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:16,239
the middle of the night in my
car, yelling and screaming, asking if

896
01:27:16,279 --> 01:27:21,000
midnight's all right, and then I
wake up and I look at my seat

897
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:29,000
and it's empty, and I realized
Midnight's dead, and I just I don't

898
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:35,720
like I don't like having I don't
like waking up having thoughts about stuff like

899
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:42,600
that. So to answer his question, I'm sorry it was so elaborated,

900
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:48,000
but yeah, not a night has
gone by in the past month that I

901
01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:54,920
have not had a nightmare about this
encounter. Absolutely, that doesn't come as

902
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:58,960
a surprise at all after what you've
been through and what you're going through.

903
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:01,319
I mean, what you're going through
right now is just amplifying your experience with

904
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:05,159
the dog men. So yeah,
that's just not helping at all. But

905
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:11,359
everything that you're going through is totally
expected. It's not good, but it's

906
01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:15,680
totally expected. Well, it's about
time for us to get out of here,

907
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,720
Mike, but before we do,
you, do you have any close

908
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:25,159
in comments you'd like to put out
there for us. I just want to

909
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:35,039
say to everybody listening that if you
know anyone in the northwestern Connecticut area,

910
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:44,159
or if you are personally from northwestern
Connecticut, stay away from Bear Mountain.

911
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:50,640
I know it's beautiful and it's gorgeous, but there's other mountains in the surrounding

912
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:56,720
area. And I mean, well, hell, that probably doesn't help at

913
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,640
all, because if they're on bare
mountain, they can easily try six seven

914
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,399
miles to the next mountain next to
it. So I don't know, I

915
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:11,279
guess that that probably doesn't help.
I guess just be careful, be aware

916
01:29:11,319 --> 01:29:21,319
of your surroundings. Always bring somebody
with you if you're If you're a hunter,

917
01:29:23,319 --> 01:29:27,880
bring a gun for self defense.
If you're not a hunter, please

918
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:34,159
bring a crap ton of knives or
something. Just not that it's gonna do

919
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,880
you any good, but at least
you can say you went out like a

920
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:42,880
warrior, you know, like you
know you're gonna get ripped the shreds and

921
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,399
you're not going to survive it.
But at least you can say I had

922
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:51,039
weapons on me. I went out
like a warrior, for whatever that's worth.

923
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:59,319
And also to the people that aren't
in Connecticut, to all the people

924
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,800
across the fifty states that are listening, I'm terrified, and I don't know

925
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:17,600
if I'm ever going to be the
same person, but I hope that I

926
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:24,920
will be. And if anyone out
there listening has gone through anything like this,

927
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:30,720
and you've never told anybody, but
you're just sitting there listening saying,

928
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:36,000
Oh my god, that sounds exactly
what Michael said, sounds exactly like what

929
01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:43,239
I went through. Or those eyes
are perfect, a perfect example of what

930
01:30:43,319 --> 01:30:50,079
I saw. Or the sounds of
the bones and joints breaking and snapping is

931
01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:57,199
exactly what I heard. Please contact
VIC if you need to talk to somebody.

932
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:02,399
VIC will have you reach out to
me. I am victim that to

933
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:08,239
me with another person named Cody,
and he's helped me a lot. And

934
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:13,039
I am now very good friends with
Cody, and we talked about once a

935
01:31:13,039 --> 01:31:15,760
week just to say hi, just
to catch up on each other. And

936
01:31:16,279 --> 01:31:23,720
if anyone needs any kind of support
like that, whatsoever. Again, I

937
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,479
tend to help people more than I
help myself. I tend to give more

938
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:38,319
than I get. And that's just
the nature of who I Oh no,

939
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:43,199
you cut out right after you said
and that's the nature, can you hear?

940
01:31:43,319 --> 01:31:47,920
Okay? Yes, that's the nature
of who I am. I tend

941
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:54,840
to give more than I receive.
And if anybody needs any help, please

942
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:00,760
first go to VIC. And then
secondly, if you that you need to

943
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:08,159
talk to me personally. I want
everyone listening right now to understand. I

944
01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:13,800
will do whatever it takes outside of
my work schedule to talk to you,

945
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:19,159
listen to you, text you,
whatever you need to help you. The

946
01:32:19,239 --> 01:32:26,000
way that VIC has helped me and
is currently helping me, and the way

947
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:30,600
that my friend Cody, who VIC
turned me onto, is also currently helping

948
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,560
me, and I hope that this
can be a trickle down effect where if

949
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:39,159
we can all just get together and
help each other, whether it's just relating

950
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:43,600
your even if you don't want to
talk to VIC and and give your story

951
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:49,760
live, if you just want someone
to talk to I'm willing. VIC will

952
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:55,039
throw you my throw you my information. You could talk to me if you

953
01:32:55,079 --> 01:32:58,600
don't want to do it live for
everyone to hear. Cool. I get

954
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:02,640
that I was worried about that too, but I'm more than willing to listen

955
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:09,319
to you and talk to you and
help you through whatever it is that is

956
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:15,720
messing you up in the head or
messing you up in your heart or emotionally.

957
01:33:15,399 --> 01:33:23,239
And thank you everybody for listening,
Thank you for all the I cannot

958
01:33:23,279 --> 01:33:28,000
see any comments right now the way
my phone is set up. I'm gonna

959
01:33:28,039 --> 01:33:31,640
have to wait until the episode is
over and then maybe tomorrow. I can

960
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:40,159
go on and read the comments of
tonight's episodes, but the initial first episode

961
01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:45,079
from a month ago. I want
to say thank you to everybody who said

962
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:51,439
such sweet, beautiful things. There
are people that said things I related to.

963
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:56,680
I mean, like I'm like,
oh, can I come live with

964
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:02,560
you? Like, oh my God? Like you you you you actually believe

965
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:09,720
me and you are on the same
page I'm on. Hell, if only

966
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,079
I knew how to get in touch
with you, I would so be your

967
01:34:13,159 --> 01:34:18,439
roommate and we would live happy friends
together. Like there's so many of those

968
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:25,840
instances where I just I'm reading the
comments and I'm blown away and it makes

969
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,560
me cry and I'm torn up at
the same time. It's it's it's I'm

970
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:39,680
I'm bipolar, balancing happiness and sadness
and fear. And you've all been so

971
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:47,119
supportive and beautiful people, beautiful human
beings, even the religious people who try

972
01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:54,079
to continuously shove Jesus down my throat. I love you all. It's all

973
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:57,680
cool. Keep doing what you're doing. That's your thing. I'm not going

974
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,520
to stop you from it. And
h you know you're good people too,

975
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:06,520
and thank you for your support as
well. And Vic. Mostly I want

976
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:13,840
to give the most of my appreciation
and gratitude to you, because if it

977
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:20,760
wasn't for you, I would probably
be in the same asylum in a rubber

978
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:29,680
room with a straight jacket on right
now. And you've given me more help

979
01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:36,720
than anyone I've talked to you besides
my children. And you're a lifesaver,

980
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:43,119
Victor. And thank you for answering
my texts when I need help. Thank

981
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,439
you for giving me a call back
the other day when I really needed to

982
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:49,319
talk to you, and you know, you took twenty minutes out of your

983
01:35:49,319 --> 01:35:55,840
time, and you know you're like
Michael, you're talking hysterically. Don't interrupt

984
01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:00,920
me. Just let me talk and
everything's going to be right. And I

985
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,319
listened to you, and I did, and you really did help me out

986
01:36:03,359 --> 01:36:08,920
through that day. You really got
me through that day. And to me,

987
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,520
that means more to me than a
bar gold. That means more to

988
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:20,680
me than sunshine and clean air.
So thank you. Well, you're welcome.

989
01:36:21,359 --> 01:36:26,000
The biggest takeaway I want you to
never lose sight of is the fact

990
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:29,920
that you're never going to be alone
again. Never are you ever going to

991
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:31,399
be in a place where you don't
have anyone that you can reach out and

992
01:36:32,119 --> 01:36:35,760
talk with about this. So yeah, if you ever do need help from

993
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:40,039
me, then by all means,
please let me know. If you lose

994
01:36:40,359 --> 01:36:44,399
Cody's contact INFOE sometime down the road, just let me know and I'd be

995
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,800
more than happy to put you back
into contact with him as well. And

996
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,840
Cody, if you're listening, I
can't thank you enough for helping Mike the

997
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:55,319
way you have. I mean,
you've got no clue how much you've helped

998
01:36:55,359 --> 01:36:58,800
this man, and I can't thank
you enough for that. I really can't

999
01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:03,039
thank you. Cody, thank you
definitely. He's a really good man,

1000
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:08,199
like I said. But having said
that, if you've had a dog mean

1001
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:12,560
encounter and you'd like to speak with
me about your encounter, there's no requirement

1002
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,800
ever to come on the show and
put it out there for the public's ear

1003
01:37:16,359 --> 01:37:20,439
You can always just contact me and
we can have a private conversation about it.

1004
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,279
I can find out what's ailing you
and I'll just do the best I

1005
01:37:25,319 --> 01:37:29,720
can to help you. But yes, there's no pressure ever to come on

1006
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,319
a show. Like I said earlier, if you want to do a show,

1007
01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:34,720
then of course we can, but
just understand, like I said,

1008
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:40,079
there's never any pressure to do that. But having said that, thanks again

1009
01:37:40,119 --> 01:37:44,079
so much for coming back on to
answer these questions and updatus on what you're

1010
01:37:44,119 --> 01:37:46,600
going through. Mike. I really
do appreciate that, And for all the

1011
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:51,239
listeners, thanks as always so much
for your support for supporting Mike and the

1012
01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:56,199
other eyewitnesses so much the way you
do. I can't thank you enough,

1013
01:37:56,239 --> 01:38:00,079
and of course I wish everyone a
great night, so thanks again so much,

1014
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:01,159
and take care.