WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:14.480 He'll go'll be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this 2 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:18.399 for February twelfth, twenty twenty four. For the next hour or so, 3 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.280 let me help you soar through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings Live 4 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:25.960 with Me Jeff Grubb. Today, phil is quolling concerns at Xbox and switch 5 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:29.920 to may have a much requested feature, but first please join me and welcoming 6 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:34.000 today's co host to Game Mess Mornings. It's Mike Manati. Everybody. Mike, 7 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.000 how are you doing? Hi? Jeff? Yeah, I'm you know 8 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.320 good. I got to have a weekend, which is always nice. Uh 9 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.560 yeah. We were gonna like play helld Divers on Friday, and I got 10 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:46.920 kind of busy. And then Christian was like inviting as You're like, I'm 11 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.320 out partying. I'm like, good for Mike. I'm glad he's out there 12 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:52.439 having a good time. Oh yeah, yeah, I was partying for sure. 13 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.960 Yeah. That was crazy. I was partying. We did. Uh 14 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:59.439 yeah, no, Well, you know there's that a lot of sports things. 15 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.239 That's all three hours of children's basketball Saturday mornings. That was How old 16 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.599 are these children? As young as five? Okay, it's the real good 17 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.239 stuff. It's the real stuff. They're getting kind of physical out there, 18 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.280 though there was some some tumbling and rough and throwing bows. Was anyone throwing 19 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.439 bows? One kid did angrily just straight up shove another kid at one point. 20 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.120 Hell yeah, yeah. His dad was a coach and threw them out 21 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:26.239 of the game. So you know the dramas. The dramas, Yeah, 22 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:27.799 I hear for the DRAMs. I don't know if I'm allowed to tell the 23 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.319 story, but I have a friend whose kid plays hockey, and he showed 24 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.640 me a video of his kid checking them, and it was very good. 25 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:37.760 It was very good video because I'm like, yeah, hockey, Like, 26 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.840 there's the puck is this big, and kids are like much bigger than the 27 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:42.959 puck, and they're all trying to get the puck at the same time. 28 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.239 Eventually they're just going to run into each other. And then when they decide 29 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.959 like I could just run into them whenever I want, that's when it really 30 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.959 gets good. That's when it becomes real hockey. And I get very excited. 31 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.480 I think the Internet we have cracked the code on who you're talking. 32 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:04.799 It's a secret. Good stuff. Yeah, but I the Red Wings they 33 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.039 start playing again this weekend. And they had they had children's it was like 34 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:12.199 children's Day, and so all of the goal announcements and like penalty announcements were 35 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.319 done by kids, and the announcer clearly was like teaching them, like how 36 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:20.599 to like speak from your belly and go Red Wings power play, and one 37 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:24.360 of them, like the captain of the team the Red Wings just got two 38 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:27.840 handed hit in the face with a stick. The guy was trying to hit 39 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.039 the puff out of the air and just baseball hit hit him in the face. 40 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.520 And it's like everyone's like really worried about him, and this kid just 41 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.120 goes and the Red Wings are on power play. It's like, okay, 42 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.159 tone it down a little bit, care we're concerned right now. It's really 43 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:44.560 good. It was good stuff. You watched the Super Bowl, though, 44 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.319 right, How'd you find that? It was fun? It was a close 45 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:52.280 game, so that's nice. I guess I think I would have slightly preferred 46 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:53.759 for the forty nine ers to win. But oh well, I mean I'm 47 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:58.439 very upset about terror Swift. I have a lot of things to say. 48 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.039 Oh yeah, I mean there's a lot of my thoughts scripted. Yeah, 49 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.439 of course. Yeah. I did have fun joking with my friends about government 50 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.759 si offs and like any time something bad happened to forty nine ers, like, 51 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.960 oh, there's Bill Gates manipulating those micro chests. Yep, the machines 52 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.159 are working. Their magic is at his computer console. He pushes the wrong 53 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:20.520 one and some lady in Iowa has a stroke. But well, there's there's 54 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.840 Travis Kelcey yelling and Andy Reid because Andy Reid got Maderna instead of Pfizer. 55 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:30.680 He's mad at him. He's mommy, Yeah, we're funny. Oh yeah, 56 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:32.479 good times, good times. Yeah it was. I had a fun 57 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:37.439 time with that. It got really good by the end. I lost like 58 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:42.479 ten bucks betting online. So oh wow, as you were a DV complete 59 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:46.560 degenerate over yeah, you know, better than most, So yeah it was. 60 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.759 It was fine though the commercials. Did you think the commercials were entertaining? 61 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:53.680 That's they're fine. I mean they got a formula just get celebrity. 62 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:58.800 So think Michael Sarah one was funny. Yes, Michael Sarah's funny. Michael 63 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.199 Sarah is one of my favorites. Oh yes, I like that one a 64 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.599 lot. That one's directed by Eric Wareheim actually from Tim and Eric. So 65 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.360 there you go. Of course, it's good. Yeah, Okay, that 66 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:10.120 makes a lot of sense because I definitely did have that energy. Yes, 67 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.800 show me that before, like and I was like, I really hope they 68 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.759 actually do air that commercial. And there's like even more to that commercial that 69 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.079 they did in the air, but they air most of it, so I 70 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.439 was pretty happy about it. All Right, you know what video game show. 71 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.360 Let's explain what we do here most weekdays, I, Jeff grebelhelp piece 72 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:28.240 your gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of 73 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.480 our own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of 74 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.720 a bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If you were watching 75 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.560 live on Twitch, welcome. You can always listen to the show later on 76 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.800 podcast feeds by searching for Game Mess Mornings, or find therss on giant bomb 77 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.600 dot com. You can also catch the show later with chapters and timestamps on 78 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.040 YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into, 79 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:54.439 so let's start the Morning Mess with Xbox is still committed to making consoles, 80 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:59.240 says boss Phil Spencer. This is from Vicky Blake at Eurogamer. Xbox 81 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.399 is still committed to me consoles, according to Phil Spencer, or Earlier this 82 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:06.439 week, Xbox boss Phil Spencer called an all staff town hall meeting to address 83 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:12.160 the rumors suggesting that that first party Xbox games could be released on other platforms, 84 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.439 insisting that this did not mean that the company wasn't committed to Xbox consoles. 85 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.480 According to journalist Shannon law Shout of the Shannon, the meeting, which 86 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:24.680 was held with all the internal staff on Tuesday, confirm the company was indeed 87 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.639 considering bringing first party games to multiple kinds of devices, and more would be 88 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.360 revealed publicly next week, that being this week, the week that direct is 89 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:35.519 probably happening. The company held an internal Tuesday town hall, where Spencer told 90 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:40.680 employees that there were no plans in stop making consoles and that Xboxes will continue 91 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:44.360 to be part of a strategy that involves multiple kinds of devices. Law reports, 92 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.600 adding the Xbox did not return a request for comment. We can figure 93 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.480 out probably why because they're going to do the business update here this week as 94 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:58.000 well, where they actually will highlight what's happening. Mike when you hear Okay, 95 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.519 he's in there telling them, hey, like relax, We're still going 96 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:01.879 to be making consoles. Sure, some of these games are going to go 97 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:06.399 to other other kinds of devices, including maybe PlayStation and switch. But maybe 98 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:10.120 it's not as extreme as you think. It looks like we're still committed to 99 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:15.160 the strategy we have had before. Does that quell any of your concerns a 100 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.519 little bit? I guess my main issue is that there is a problem with 101 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:24.639 the console's not selling enough, and releasing your games for other platforms like plation 102 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.680 is going to help the Xbox brand make more money, but it's not going 103 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.759 to help Xbox consoles some more. Maybe it's not going to have as much 104 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:34.439 of a detrimental effect as I think it will. I think there's gonna be 105 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:40.439 some kind But what is being done to help the boxes is that being actively 106 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:43.839 thought about a lot, as opposed to just the strategy of how can we 107 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:48.120 know, just make money in general? Right? I think that that they 108 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:51.720 seem to be working backward from they are concerned about not making enough money. 109 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.959 That's definitely something I've heard. I've heard other I've seen other people report the 110 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.240 same thing, report that same thing, And if that is the I make 111 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:01.920 concern. Beculd see like, well, there's easy ways to make more money 112 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.759 by putting these games out more places, And then that You're right, that 113 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:09.680 deemphasizes the importance of the hardware. Now, I think they've told us repeatedly 114 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.639 we have this conversation a bunch of times that they are less worried about the 115 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.199 hardware. They don't care where you play their games. They've said that in 116 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.279 as many words over and over again for years, and now it feels like 117 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:24.240 we have reached the zenith of what that could mean for the hardware. Now. 118 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:27.759 I still think, and we said this a bunch of times, that 119 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.199 they will keep making hardware for quite some time. We are all concerned about, 120 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:32.959 like, oh, hey, okay, if this does go the way 121 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.480 that you say it's going, and you make a lot more money by putting 122 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.800 these games out on PlayStation, well why not put in them on Why not 123 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.720 put them out on PlayStation day one? Wouldn't that make you even more money? 124 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.680 And at that point, what is the point of the Xbox hardware? 125 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.959 And then what is keeping PlayStation in check? In the head to head battle 126 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:53.959 there? These are all the things that it's very easy to spin out of 127 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.560 control here. Do you think that they will be able to craft a message 128 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.879 this week in this business update that will walk a line between all these concerns 129 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.319 and and what they are trying to do where they can convince people don't worry. 130 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.319 The hardware actually isn't going away. Uh, it will just be these 131 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.680 select few games and it will be much later after they come out on Xbox. 132 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.480 Yeah, it's gonna be a little tricky. Some people are going to 133 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:24.000 just be upset and kind of sort of see the the end game here as 134 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.160 soon as they say, hey, I guess some of these big games are 135 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.000 coming. And you know, they're going to use the phrase case by case 136 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.840 at some point right pause aside, it means, hey, not everything's gonna 137 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:39.559 go PlayStation. Everything's going to be considered though everything and again so that yeah, 138 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.159 and they're going to say in that basis meeting, hey we're still committed 139 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.720 to you know, Xbox series X and there's going to be future hardware even 140 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.559 But again, I just am a lot concerned fow committed they are. They're 141 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.879 committed enough to make them and support them. Are they common enough to really 142 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.879 want to make something that is going to become you know, maybe being in 143 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.679 first place whatever, what does that mean? Sure? But at some point 144 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.799 I want to have a little bit of that competitive edge or a little bit 145 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:05.480 of that we're gonna make We're gonna take some risks here so that we can 146 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.159 regain ground instead of just well, we're gonna keep making this because you know 147 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:16.480 why not. Yeah, the like what we expect this week, it'll be 148 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.399 High five Rush and maybe cee A Thieves. Beyond that, it's it's there's 149 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.080 still a lot of questions and there's been some back and forth. Like h 150 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.559 Nate the Hate, who had previously said that Starfield would be going to PlayStation 151 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.759 five, has now backed off it says he strongly believes it won't be going 152 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:37.120 to PlayStation five and that he recanted his previous reporting. Xbox Era still has 153 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.440 that report out there that says that Starfield may go to PS five. It's 154 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.840 being considered at the very least. I think it's safe to say most things 155 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:50.360 are being considered. But if Starfield is one that like isn't like obviously coming, 156 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.200 and if it's just like under consideration a little bit, that's still a 157 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.399 change from what it was before. Like I said, like they were gonna 158 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.679 keep those but those big with those the games exclusive Xbox that was a big 159 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.279 choice that they made after considering everything early on. Now if it's back under 160 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.360 consideration. That is a change that's a little bit different than Oh, that's 161 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.279 definitely coming to PS five and it'll be out later this year on that console. 162 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.840 So it's like that colors things a little bit for me, where it's 163 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.919 like, oh, okay, maybe they aren't changing things as drastically as I 164 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.360 assumed based on the reporting. At the same time, pretty sure Gears of 165 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.720 War is definitely under consideration, and it's like Gears of War feels like the 166 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.159 one that is and I said, pretty I've heard it multiple times now that 167 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:35.559 that's under consideration, and that one's like the one that's like right below Halo 168 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.000 for me, as like the Xbox franchise. So and we talked about this 169 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.600 last week, but like, I don't know, with Starfield, Gears of 170 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:46.559 War, like those ones under consideration, that is still like the big thing 171 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.320 here where it's like if those are up, anything's up, right, Yeah, 172 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.559 And it's almost kind of odd at a certain point if you're considering things 173 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.279 like yours War and you're not going to do Starfield honestly, if you're doing 174 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:03.120 like Hi Fi Rush, if this is the strategy right to do more things 175 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:05.919 on playcation, I almost am a little surprised that Starfield is one you're going 176 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.919 to hold back on. Yeah, at this point, which was a game 177 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.679 people were initially pretty upset, like wasn't going to be on PlayStation five, 178 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.840 And it's a game that did well but maybe could do better and you can 179 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:22.440 probably get a decent boost by putting it on Sony's platform there, So yeah, 180 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:28.279 you know again, so yeah, that report's getting walked back. I 181 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.639 could still see a world where Starfield comes out of Placation five, comes out 182 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:37.360 to other systems eventually, maybe this year, maybe later. But yeah, 183 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.519 I think that's it. Jet. It's just I still have this feeling of 184 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.120 everything's being considered and we're going to just generally see a lot more of it. 185 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.159 Yeah, and at the very least you could see the benefit, Like 186 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.960 it's very easy to understand how you come to this decision. Hi Fi rush 187 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.279 a franchise that they might want to continue investing in. Seems like they do 188 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.360 want to continue investing in, especially since it's coming out like first in this 189 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.399 initiative here. Uh, you know, you get people on PlayStation playing that 190 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.919 first one, you put out a second one that gets more people excited to 191 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.440 play it, whether it's on whether they get an X on Xbox, or 192 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.919 they get it on PC at day and date, or maybe they do eventually 193 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.759 just wait for the PlayStation version. That's exactly that's what they did with or 194 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.480 the first or came to switch a bit before the second, or came out 195 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:22.720 on Xbox right right, and then so it's something they probably have seen has 196 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:30.000 worked before, and they're going to come to it. I mean directed probably 197 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:35.159 this week. You still to direct, could be a partner direct you know 198 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.200 who could be a partner, right, yeah, yeah, I mean honestly, 199 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.000 like at this point, because you know, if Starfield isn't coming to 200 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.480 Places of five, then it is a little bit like why didn't you get 201 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.679 that message out there earlier? Like one maybe because of the tittle thing, 202 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.120 but two because you know, they can't they can't come out and say no, 203 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.080 Starfield's not coming on on Places of five because maybe it is. Maybe 204 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.960 they don't know yet and maybe they're even leaning towards no, but maybe. 205 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.519 Yeah. I think that's one of the big things here. It's like the 206 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:09.240 arguments among the fan community are going back and forth, and I think the 207 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.480 biggest smoking gun here is the ongoing silence for Microsoft and the promise of an 208 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.559 update where it's like, okay, well, I mean, if things just 209 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.799 weren't this way, they would have denied it. If Indiana Jones wasn't up 210 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.879 for consideration, they would have just said that by now, and you know, 211 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:26.679 or maybe we get to this business to update and they say it, 212 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.360 then we'll see. But it just feels like at this point everything probably is 213 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.200 at least on the table, And why would it, like, why put 214 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.360 like artificial limitters on you as a company. Well, everything is a possibility. 215 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.320 You could do, Like you own these things, you could do whatever 216 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.200 you want with them. So saying that you are going to never do anything 217 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.080 is a silly thing at a certain point, especially if you are looking to 218 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:52.919 shake things up under the Xbox brand. Meanwhile, over at Nintendo, there 219 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.919 is a report coming out of South American gaming websites that switch To will reportedly 220 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.159 be backward compatible with OG Switch games. This is from The Gamer. A 221 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.080 reliable leaker has claimed that the Nintendo Switch To or Super Nintendo Switch, whatever 222 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.879 you want to call it, will have backwards compatibility with the OG Switch games, 223 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.679 whether they're physical or digital. For some time now, sometime now, 224 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.080 we've known that Nintendo is working on the console that will follow the Nintendo Switch, 225 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.480 and after years of rumors in waiting, it seems very likely it's finally 226 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.440 going to reveal it to us at some point in twenty twenty four, although 227 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.960 we still have no idea when in the year we're going to see it, 228 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.720 Although rumors begin have a gunpointing to March, and some alleged details about the 229 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.240 system are already leaking out over on Twitter, centro Leaks shared a post from 230 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:41.200 relibel Nintendo leaker Universo Nintendo, who correctly leaked the name of Sonic X Sonics 231 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.440 Cross Shadow and the date of the last Nintendo Direct, among other things, 232 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:48.080 that seemingly reveals new details about the successor to the Switch. In the article, 233 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:52.840 Universo Nintendo claims that, as reported by pH Brazil during a recent episode 234 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:58.320 of the X of the x D Control podcast, switch To will allow for 235 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.240 physical and digital backwards compati ability with games from the original Nintendo Switch. If 236 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.519 true, this adds more evidence that the switch to successor will be using cartridges 237 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.559 or cards for its games, depending on who you are. All right, 238 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.879 all right, Okay, so I think it's like, obviously we just assume 239 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:22.519 it should have backward compatibility because it should, right, but there has been 240 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.759 a lot of questions about whether or not they would actually be able to do 241 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.679 that and or would care enough to do it because it's Nintendo. Nintendo could 242 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:33.799 always just be a Nintendo about it. Does hearing this report give you more 243 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.720 confidence that we actually will get a switch to with backward compatibility? I mean 244 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.480 I always thought we were going to get a switch to a backwards compatibility, 245 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.519 even when you know it was kind of flocked about years ago, like obviously 246 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:48.720 it has to and some people were rightfully pointing out, wow, it's harder 247 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.399 than you think because of this and that, I was still like, yeah, 248 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.840 well they got to figure it out. Uh, they're just going to 249 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.559 have to figure it out because it's just going to have to be a thing 250 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.000 this time, and I know Nintendo can be and they can surprise us. 251 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.279 I don't think there's any world where you can make what's going to be a 252 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.919 very like linear successor to the switch and not have a play switch games. 253 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:14.159 I mean talking about Xbox again, right, Like, so much of what 254 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:18.039 Phil Speesser kind of attributes to the problem this current Xbox generation is that we 255 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.200 lost last generation, and that's when people just really started building their permanent game 256 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.519 libraries now, and that's you know, I know Nintendo's weird can be from 257 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:29.080 their own world, but they have to understand that. They have to understand 258 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.799 that people have been building these game libraries on the switch. Now you just 259 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.519 can't sell them Super Mario Odyssey for sixty or seventy bucks again at this point, 260 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.600 maybe you can sell them a ten dollars upgrade for something or another, 261 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.519 but no, this is the new reality. They get it at least a 262 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:47.919 little bit. It's going to have backwards compatibility, right, So go over 263 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.600 again, like what like what you were suggesting there, like the conversation that's 264 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.759 been happening. People I think are going to see this, and if you 265 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.519 are not paying attention to the hardware side of things, you're like, obviously 266 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.159 there's backward compatibility. It's twenty twenty four. Don't be absurd, don't be 267 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:07.400 a clown. Uh. The question was Nintendo's likely moving to a chip set 268 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.839 that was going to be very different or much more advanced than what it used 269 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:15.319 last time for the Tegrat T X one, the X one. I can 270 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.440 never remember exactly what one I remember because there's like a two at the time 271 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:19.319 people say, well, oh, why don't they use the two? Yeah? 272 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:23.000 Right, it was the X one, and the one they're gonna be 273 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.640 using now is not directly going to be compatible. So there was gonna there 274 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.880 is work required to get switch games to work on the switch to one way 275 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.400 or the other. Like it was going to require either in Nvidia come up 276 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:38.079 with a compatibility layer or something like that, or Nintendo to do a bunch 277 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.359 of work on its side, and that seems very unlikely because it's Nintendo. 278 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.400 My position was always I bet Nvidia helps them out, figures it helps them 279 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.920 figure this out because it's a beneficial to both of them in the long run, 280 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.640 and that's likely. What happened here is that the companies came together and 281 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:57.359 figured out a solution. Now, them figuring out a solution doesn't mean that 282 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:02.319 we just get backward compatibility to work the way we want it to. Now. 283 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:06.559 The report does say that it is backward compatibility and the games run better. 284 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.960 Now, we don't necessarily know that that's how we're going to experience it 285 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.440 ourselves as at a retail when we have these units in our hands. It 286 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:18.400 could be, as you said, a paid upgrade path ten dollars upgrade path. 287 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:21.240 We don't know how it's actually going to look. What do you think 288 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.960 is most likely in your opinion, I think there will be gives that will 289 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.039 run natively. And if it's a ten dollars upgrade path, then you are 290 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:32.519 like buying like something that upgrades it to a switch to version of stuff that 291 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.319 we've seen with Places five and how you can still you download the Plastation four 292 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:41.640 version of Fantasy seven if you want righting things like that, that's probably exactly 293 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:47.240 right. Bring them up again. Date the Hate went on a reset era 294 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:51.200 and said he's heard that backward compatibility is in like the dev kits for partners, 295 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:56.599 but there's no like documentation, and there's no word from Nintendo about how 296 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.640 it's actually going to work for the final hardware. For example, whether like 297 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.960 the games will run better on the final hardware. That could change between the 298 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:07.359 dead kits and what Nintendo actually puts out. See they do something like whacky 299 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:12.440 like yeah, you can access your digital backward compatibility library if you're an NSO 300 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:18.079 member. It's always a possibility, especially if this was like maybe this was 301 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:22.720 cost intensive for them. I think Nintendo likes to make their money back they 302 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.640 might come up with some something silly like that, or they'll output at like 303 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.240 four K, meaning they'll upscale to four K people not like run Native we 304 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.519 have four K, but they'll they'll output at four K on your four K 305 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:40.319 TV if you're an NSO member, anything is possible with Nintendo. If I 306 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:41.960 had to put money on it, though, I would say that we are 307 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.559 probably just gonna get the games that we had on Nintendo Switch running on this 308 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.119 hardware and running a little bit better because of the improved hardware, and it 309 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.559 all just work, and Nintendo will look for other ways to make money. 310 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.319 But that's not that's like, you know, a fifty one percent chance, 311 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.279 and then the other forty nine percent. It could be anything Nintendo could come 312 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:02.359 up with. No, I think that's right. I think generally if you 313 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.759 want like an approved version of the game, it will be like the Last 314 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:08.480 of Us Part two remastered, right, You're gonna have to pay money for 315 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.440 that, and it is going to be a switch to game, Like there 316 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.519 might be a switch to version of Tears of the Kingdom and got you know, 317 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.759 God help us, maybe Scarlet and Violet. I don't know. There's 318 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:23.400 no no saving that game now. All right. Uh, you know, 319 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.079 let's let's take a quick break when we get back. We got foam Stars 320 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.400 reviews and a lot more. We'll talk about all that right after this. 321 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.039 All right, we're back, Mike. A lot of games have been coming 322 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:45.640 out recently. Did you play anything over the weekend while like you were like, 323 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.599 because I came up wanting to play more hell Divers and then I'm just 324 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.880 kind of playing a lot more like a Dragon because that's a layup. You 325 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:56.359 give me a layup here to admit that I like what this is. What 326 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:03.400 this is. It is not bad. It's not bad fun listen. Low 327 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:07.599 expectations helped, right, Like the expectations help. But definitely I'd be kind 328 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.240 of against this games from second one. You know that you've been with me 329 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:15.359 the whole time, but you know what, you usually have a pretty good 330 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.000 eye for these things. You have a pretty good like, hey, this 331 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:19.799 thing's pushing me away. I find it a little bit repulsive if I'm not 332 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.400 into this, and that usually that pans out. Now, this game is 333 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:26.480 not reviewed very well, so maybe mostly still correct, still pretty good on 334 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.799 that, I think. But you know, movement's really fun and that does 335 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.480 a lot for me in open World Games. I mean, you know, 336 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:34.680 I could be a character with a jet pack. Jeff, you know I 337 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:38.200 love jet I know you love jet packs. I just love jet packs so 338 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:42.240 much. And the fact that each character has different movement. That King Shark 339 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.720 is basically just Ultimate Destruction Hall. Yep, that's who I'm playing as. 340 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:48.799 That's really fun. Ye In. Like the story stuff that I did think 341 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.759 would be really repulsive, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's actually kind of funny. 342 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:57.759 Sometimes it actually kind of works, Like the shooting feels fine. Now. 343 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:03.480 I definitely think that they made a giant oopsie woopsie, really making this 344 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.160 some kind of live service saying, of course, in so much of this 345 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.759 game's woes is just bad timing. People do not want that the whole superhero 346 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:17.480 thing in general. I mean, the Suicide Squad ipe just terrible, terrible 347 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.599 timing. I understand why it's being received the way it is. You know 348 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.680 what, I was playing it, I you know, played it for like 349 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.480 three hours. That's having fun. Yeah that's about how much I played. 350 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:27.640 And I was like, yeah, you're right, it's it's all about the 351 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:34.119 movement and the character's feeling pretty cool to get around that world. So you 352 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.079 are you playing as is Ghana came as a dead shot or whoever the hell 353 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.000 it is, yeah, which he is, like the most boring character plays 354 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.519 an't have the jet back, right. I do like how the game something's 355 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.960 like, hey, this character is amped up and the story's gonna kind of 356 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.960 focus more on them. So play on numb for an ex peeps so kind 357 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.000 of like forces me to switch. I almost feel like it would be better. 358 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:56.880 It feels primarily like a single player, story driven game where your courage 359 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.559 to switch between these people or maybe friends can play with you. But you 360 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.519 know, a lot of review complaints are about things like it getting repetitive and 361 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.359 the end game not being very good. So I can't speak to any of 362 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.640 that, but you know those are complaints about like Avengers, And part of 363 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:14.960 my thing with Avengers was, yeah, well but I played the campaign and 364 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.279 had fun, and then I played a little bit of it case I have 365 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:18.920 with my brothers, so I was like, yeah, bored of that. 366 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.799 Sure. So it's always just thinking like, yeah, it's not living up 367 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.240 to the promise of this being some kind of forever game, which was a 368 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.279 silly goal, a silly, silly thing to do, but just running around 369 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:34.400 and as a as a giant shark person. You know, you do that 370 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.319 thing you lift them up in the air and you pull out your guns are 371 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:38.720 shooting them immediately, and like, oh, that feels pretty good. I 372 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.599 think the critical hits when you do that. Yeah, like that's they got 373 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:48.160 a lot of that stuff really well figured out. I mean the adventures comparison, 374 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.240 obviously is the most apt one my understanding. I haven't experienced this personally, 375 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:56.440 but people will say that, hey, the campaign of Avengers stands out 376 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.359 as being better than this because it does actually kind of feel like a single 377 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.200 player game. This one begins to feel like you are playing through multiplayer missions 378 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:06.119 by yourself, and that's why it feels repetitive. And I can see that. 379 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.920 And the design of the the design of the objectives is limited by like, 380 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.920 hey, if what you have four people working together together on this thing, 381 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.680 you got to give everyone something kind of fun to do. So nothing 382 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.920 stands out as being very fun for any one person. So okay, but 383 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.440 you know the Pepsi Challenge taste test out of the gate, this is fine, 384 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:27.160 This is like actually pretty a pretty good time. Now I'm like, 385 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.240 I'm like picking a game to play right now, I'm not picking this, 386 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:33.960 I'm picking hell Divers without a doubt, right, and I'm not like time. 387 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.759 Yeah, people are shame on these people who don't like the game. 388 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.920 Now I get it. But you know, like it's seven out of ten? 389 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:44.240 What I think a seven out of ten is right? And I think 390 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:48.000 it's I think the scores like laid more on the six out of ten side 391 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:49.599 of things at a fifty nine. Yeah, you see how that happens, 392 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.359 right, because like it's people are going to have a little bit harsher take 393 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:59.599 on this because it's it's rock steady and because it has such a negative connotation 394 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.880 going in to it. So it's like the reviewers tilt kind of turned down 395 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.359 a little bit. But seven out of ten I think is absolutely correct, 396 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:10.319 all right, speaking of such a game. A Foam Stars review thread here, 397 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.799 let's start. I think that actually, can Mike, can you look 398 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.440 up what it has on Metacritic for me? Why start going through some of 399 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:21.920 these individual reviews. CG Magazines Jordan Biorti gave it a six out of ten, 400 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:26.279 says Folm Stars isn't terrible, but it's uninspired gameplay, deficit of content, 401 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:32.240 and obscene monetization make it a forgettable experience. Eurogamers con Sarin gave it 402 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:36.200 a three out of five, says Foam Stars is a serviceable, serviceable paintballer 403 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.480 in the vein of Splatoon, lathered with some wild boar and underwhelming hero shooter 404 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.359 elements. Plush Squares Steven Talaby gave it a seven out of ten, says 405 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:48.200 film Stars is a colorful, unique, and entertaining shooter. The modes and 406 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.720 characters on offer at launch are fun twist on genre staples, and the central 407 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.000 foam mechanic is a playful addition with some potential for strategy. It's lighthearted, 408 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.720 fast paced fun with plenty of style, while the steep micro actions and the 409 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.119 so so co op missions keep it from being squeaky clean. There's a lot 410 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.480 to like about this bubbly multiplayer title. And finally, kotakus is Zack Swizen, 411 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.799 who has a review in progress, says some of the worst guns in 412 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.200 video games either fire slow moving projectiles or have annoying arcs you have to contend 413 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:19.880 with when aiming. Phone Stars bravely asks what if we combine the worst parts 414 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.559 of the worst guns into one gun and gave everyone in the game versions of 415 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:29.839 that bad weapon. The answer is a shooter that feels like crap. What 416 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.599 does it have on Metacritic, Mikey, I guess it's a sixty. That 417 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:36.160 a sixty? Okay, yes, so hey, it's rough out there for 418 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:37.720 these games that we've been hearing about for a minute that are coming out trying 419 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:45.200 to be live service games, the big sens divers. Yeah, that's one. 420 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.000 We came out of nowhere for a lot of people. I mean, 421 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.920 I think we were paying attention to it. I guess a lot of people 422 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.759 listening to this would be paying attention to it. But it didn't have the 423 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.000 marketing behind it that a Foam Stars did, which I suppose didn't even have 424 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:59.599 that much itself. Uh. The sin here seems to be it's not fun 425 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.680 to play the problem. That's a problem. The problem a lot of people 426 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.359 complaining about the way the guns feel. I've seen out there. I don't 427 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.519 know. I was like curious. I think I probably still will just try 428 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.319 it. But everyone I've heard that's been in the same boat I am where 429 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.680 they're like, I'll try it. They play it a couple of matches and 430 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.720 then they say they're good, and I imagine that's gonna happen to me as 431 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:23.039 well. Mike, do you have any interest in trying Foam Stars? I 432 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.400 mean I played a summer game fest. I was like, that's all right, 433 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.000 and that's maybe all I ever needed a play of it. Especially people 434 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.319 don't seem like this is gonna be something that pops off. I need to 435 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.680 check out more a rougher. Lucy James publishes games though over on our Fantasy 436 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.440 critic because she did pick this one up as are a last game, so 437 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:49.400 she's losing some points there. And meanwhile, Turbos of a lucky low penty 438 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.960 feet incorporated Jesus Christ, God, damn it, Sean God. Oh, 439 00:27:53.200 --> 00:28:00.799 Jesus Christ, Sean he washed Sean in pleasure himself off the lowe on his 440 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.680 feet. Yeah. Anyways, he picked for Folm Stars as a counterpick on 441 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.640 Fantasy Critics, so he's going to get some points for it underperforming. Actually, 442 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.119 I don't. I don't know what Jesus did. I don't want to 443 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:17.400 speak for him, so maybe he did, Please don't. I counterpicks Power 444 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:18.640 World and that's like, it's only gonna get me a point. I'm like, 445 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.079 man, I thought that was such a good one, but not as 446 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.240 good as Foam Stars apparently, Well, so I saw that. That's uh, 447 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.599 sculling Bones counterpicks that we'll see. It's kind of like the third of 448 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.599 the three horsemen of the Apocalypse of life service games that are finally coming up 449 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:40.359 this year. Right, I don't know Phone Stars is on PlayStation Plus, 450 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:44.720 Right, that's the one. I think it's on PlayStation Plus. But okay, 451 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.599 either way, is it how how divers not on? Please? I 452 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:51.640 don't think how diverse is but okay, Phone Stars. Have you seen the 453 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.960 monetization for Foam Stars. It's bad, that's all I know. There's like, 454 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:56.920 you know, skins where it's like, oh, yeah, you know, 455 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.960 it's it's a cheerleader, and then the it's a clown. I don't 456 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.880 really know, but I looked at the prices and one outfit is forty five 457 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:11.359 dollars. Forty five dollars for one outfit skin. It's it's bizarre how out 458 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.680 of hand that's gotten just because it seems to not work. They must have 459 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.519 data, says otherwise. But like Mortal Kombat one just got absolutely beat up 460 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:25.079 for having cosmics that are too expensive, and yeah, you see do you 461 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.200 see the math? Right? That game's gonna sell ten million copies, and 462 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.720 if one percent monetized monetizes, that's like still a lot of people spending a 463 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.799 lot of money. Well maybe it was going to sell ten million copies, 464 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.440 but then when the you know, the news stories are early on about the 465 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.039 same monization people who are gonna buy that, it just kind of turns you 466 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.559 offer a it a bit where I don't know, I don't think Mortal Kombat 467 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.279 one's gonna sell as well as Bortal Kombat eleven. Yeah, it doesn't seem 468 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.799 like it. No, Yeah, it's it is very strange to see. 469 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.200 But I guess if you're one of these companies, maybe the thinking is start 470 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.960 high because you can always lower the prices, so you can't raise them, 471 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.359 So start at forty five dollars, and then when people freak out, go 472 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.480 down to twenty. But I think what you you just identified like the real 473 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.480 problem where it's like, now people are just gonna associate this with being a 474 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.839 ripoff, and they're gonna have a really negative feeling about it, and you're 475 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.039 gonna lose the battle immediately, and there's not gonna like it doesn't help that 476 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:18.599 you're not a very fun game. But even if you were, people were 477 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.319 like, there's a million other fun games I could be playing where I don't 478 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.599 feel as bad about the monetization. So you still have to compete with Fortnite. 479 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.640 You still have to compete with Fortnite? Yes, my god, And 480 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:33.039 yeah, it's it's it's strange. What's the This is the kind of game 481 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.519 Squenens was talking about when they said we're going to just focus on our big 482 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:40.680 games. Yes, uh huh. They're probably like why did why did we 483 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:41.799 make a film star? Right? Like, how do we get to this 484 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.160 point where we're putting out this This is almost certainly the thing where like starting 485 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.000 in April, we're gonna put this one out now, but in April we'll 486 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.119 start making good games and then see if Thieves is the one that's like seventy 487 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.119 dollars, what if do we have any idea what the monetization is like in 488 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:57.720 that it's probably not as bad as this, but I bet when you look 489 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.240 at it as a seven dollar game, it is probably just pretty rough. 490 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.119 Yeah, I'm not sure if the monization was turned on that open beta or 491 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.160 not. Tically, see if these skull and bones, everybody, it's just 492 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.279 gonna I want to do it too all the time, constantly. I'm a 493 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:14.920 broken man. It's just how it's going to be. Well, you expect 494 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.279 us to be able to handle two multiplayer pirate games, right, Come on, 495 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.960 at our age, I'm forty years old, all right. Moving on, 496 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.559 Switch to will reportedly feature a custom Nvidia chip. This is from Jordan 497 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.640 Midler at VGC. Nintendo's next console will will reportedly feature a custom Invidia chip 498 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.359 when it launches later this year. That's according to Reuter's, which is reporting 499 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.480 that the Japanese console giant will implement a custom in Vidia chip to power the 500 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.759 new console. According to a source with knowledge of Invidia's plans, in Vidia's 501 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.920 current Switch handheld console already includes in videos Techer x one chip, yet we 502 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.279 know that continues. A new version Ofintendo Switch console expected this year, is 503 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:56.519 likely include a custom in Nvidia design. That is the rumored T two thirty 504 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.839 nine chip. That's been like a lot of investigations gone on that and forms 505 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.079 of people who are obsessed with this kind of stuff. Reuter's tried to reach 506 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.119 out to Nintendo for comment, Nintendo obviously turned them down. It was previously 507 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.480 speculated that Nintendo would use an off the shelf chip for its next console. 508 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.039 However, if Reuter's report is accurate, that appears to not be the case. 509 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.400 Now. I had some questions about this, Mike, because I thought, 510 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.319 like in Nvidia Nintendo's terminology, the Tegra X one is a custom version 511 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.720 of the X one. I think the difference here, after asking around a 512 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.039 little bit to people online before before we went on the show, just to 513 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.960 see if I could come in with some clarification, is the while the X 514 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.960 one that is in the switch is a custom version of the X one, 515 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.000 the T two thirty nine that will go into the switch is custom from the 516 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.519 ground up. And that's the difference here. Now, that shouldn't be too 517 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.519 surprising. When the switch was announced and the Nvidia partnership was announced, they 518 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.960 said at the time, hey, this is the beginning of a twenty year 519 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.079 partnership. So clearly, while they might have been starting from like, all 520 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.319 right, let's see what we can piece together, as they got further down 521 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.440 the road, it's like, WHOA, Now we know we're going to be 522 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.839 in this marriage for a very long time. Let's just see if we can 523 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:07.759 come up something more custom that better fits your exact needs. And I think 524 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.000 that speaks that goes back to speak speaking to the backward compatibility thing. If 525 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.279 they're working this closely together on everything to the point where it's a custom design 526 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.720 from the ground up, they are going to try to find ways to solve 527 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.039 these problems. Well, it's probably gonna be a compatibility layer to get the 528 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.880 old games working. That is something they can almost probably bake into their hardware, 529 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:30.319 the software hardware like Fusion that Nvidia doesn't all it's GPUs, that's something 530 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.440 they could bring to bear on this as well. No, you're not much 531 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.759 of a hardware guy, Mike, but hey, Nvidia is still making custom 532 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:42.279 processors for Switch. How excited are you, buddy? I mean, I 533 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.279 think that's good news. I think something that's custom made for the purposes of 534 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:50.799 this device has got to work better than something slightly modified from off the shelf. 535 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.799 But man, it's crazy how much how much juice we got out of 536 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.039 that mobile chip for the Switch one, which at that time people were like, 537 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.160 this ain't all that powerful, even in like twenty seventeen, carry us 538 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:05.519 through to twenty twenty four. Somehow, I think it was in my Invidious 539 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.239 Shield, the over the top like box thing that they sold that came out 540 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.360 in twenty fourteen. So yeah, man, like a ten year old chip. 541 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.559 Now at this point, it's a great you know what they need this 542 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.199 new chip for? That might it's it's for a Metro Prime four because it's 543 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.480 going to be this really high end switched to exclusive. You might be onto 544 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.760 something. Starting to really feel like I'm gonna lose that, betimember? What 545 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.960 were the steaks? Was it? Just think it's gotta take me to Margaritaville 546 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.280 again. I'm gonna really break you over the colls on that menu. Get 547 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.079 a lot of shots, Get a lot of tequila shots for for Jimmy's gonna 548 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.599 be good. They all get emotional, start crying. You just got to 549 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.079 deal with it. Yeah, all right, well that sounds like a price 550 00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:47.559 I'll have to pay. That. Reuters report also had some other like tidbits 551 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.719 in it. The one that stuck out to me is in Nvidia is going 552 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.000 to start making a lot more custom chips for its partners, and a listed 553 00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:02.159 among those partners was Video Game Custom rs plural. Now we already know they're 554 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.320 gonna be working to Nintendo for a very long time. The rumors out there 555 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.079 are Microsoft's looking around. They're not necessarily going to go with AMD next time 556 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.280 in Vidio maybe powering the next Xbox. Does that sound like a possibility to 557 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.760 you? Maybe? And hey, if if Microsoft wants to make a handheld, 558 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.679 boy, sure would make sense to partner with from Vidia, who's already 559 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.840 helping switch with theirs. Mm hmm, It's definitely a very likely thing. 560 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.599 In Vidia hinted very strongly that they were going to be doing more custom chips, 561 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:36.159 like from the ground up for that would be able to serve all their 562 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:40.119 customers, including like data centers, which is like only a handful of companies 563 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.559 like broad Common, Marvel do that stuff right now. In Vidio is going 564 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.559 to try to take that stuff over. But in the process of building up 565 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.920 that that side of their company they could they'll have a lot of technology and 566 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.159 resources that would fit very well with doing that stuff for consoles going forward. 567 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.440 And you know, they were going to buy ARM and they decided not to 568 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.239 buy ARM mostly because of regulators, but also because they saw a future where 569 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.280 they could start making those things themselves without having to use ARMS technology, and 570 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.400 that could very easily power a future Xbox of some sort, maybe specifically a 571 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.440 handout or maybe the entire Xbox stack. Going forward, we'll see. Do 572 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.079 you think do you think this custom and video chip will help the new switch 573 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.519 like run a new Bridge Racer as a launch title potentially, Mike, I 574 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.599 mean, listen, you know I can't comment when the investigation is ongoing. 575 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.360 Okay, Yeah, I just wondering if you made some progress on that event. 576 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.599 I'm out there. I'm hitting the ground for you, buddy. Don't 577 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.000 worry. I thank you, appreciate it, all right, hit it. 578 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.360 Excuse me. Hideo Kojima on decision to develop Phisian't, which I just hate 579 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.920 that name, mikean Yeah, pissant, uh, he says. The reason 580 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.920 he did it is I realize that people die. This is from sal Ramano 581 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:57.239 at Kamatsu. Kojima Productions founder and CEO. Hideo Kojuma discussed how the decision 582 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.880 developed a recently announced action espionage game Phisi't with Sony Interactive Entertainment came about during 583 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:07.320 a special edition broadcast of Hideotube that aired today. I fell ill when twenty 584 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.239 twenty. Kachum explained. It was also during the pandemic, so I was 585 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:14.559 sick and isolated during all of it. I even had surgery, and I 586 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.559 thought I can't anymore. I was at my lowest and felt like I couldn't 587 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.679 go back to making games. I wrote a will too, and in that 588 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.440 moment I realized that people die. But I turned sixty last year, I'll 589 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:28.679 turn seventy and ten years. I hope to never retire. Having said that, 590 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.519 if the users desire it so much, I thought I should change my 591 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.440 priorities a bit. I still want to do new things, but I decided 592 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:42.199 to make an action action espionage game. So basically he realized his ownmortality. 593 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.880 And the thing he decided he wanted to do is make one more for the 594 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.559 Metal Gear fans, which I think is a bleak thing to say about life. 595 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:55.400 But hey, more powerfure. Yeah, look, that's all fine whatever. 596 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:59.599 I get concern how much he keeps talking, he keeps pulling out that 597 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.360 makes something like a movie line. He I think he even recently said, 598 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:06.719 like, when your mom walks in, she's gonna think you're watching a movie, 599 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.000 which might which, trust me, my mom did that like like twenty 600 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.880 years ago. And also, how old do you think your target audience says? 601 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.800 I mean, I know some of them are living at their mom still 602 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.960 maybe, but what are we talking about? I guess. Also like, 603 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.559 uh, I don't know my favorite Metal Gear Solid games like one, uh 604 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.039 you know even five? Five? Right? Five was kind of lighter on 605 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.519 the story stuff he's talked about. Yeah, Mickey Mulger saw, which means 606 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.000 it's gonna be more like a movie than ever. I'm like, no, 607 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.119 just make a good stuff action game, like don't don't make another Muger Saalid 608 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.840 four, make another Medal Gear Solid or Mulgar said five. It's like a 609 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.079 little bit annoying too, because he's legit just making movies now, right, 610 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.679 Like he's got multiple movie partnerships where they're like he's involved in actually just making 611 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:59.599 films based on death stranding. He was at where was that, like Warner 612 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:04.039 wherever was when he was doing the Tony Chlobby. Picture's right, it would 613 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.159 be Sony right. So it's like, hey, just go make a movie 614 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.039 and also make a video game. You could do both. You don't have 615 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.639 to do it all in one. Obviously. It is like, you're right, 616 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.519 the most iroly thing to say. Still, in twenty twenty four, 617 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:21.119 we're finally going to bring together movies and video games, something that he is 618 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:25.320 literally credited with doing in nineteen ninety seven. Whenever nineteen ninety eight, whenever 619 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.679 Meddle Gear Solid came out. We don't need to be doing that anymore. 620 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.719 And yet I say that those games sell very well. Whenever you like, 621 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.400 people are like, this is like a movie. People do seem to want 622 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:38.440 that, so and maybe it's just our taste, Like I don't know, 623 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.440 yeah, and yeah, I'm sure this could be very good. Do you 624 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.920 think there's any chance this is actually a Malgar Solid game? And he's throwing 625 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.719 another phantom pain loop at us this time he's just for reels. Never say 626 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.360 never, but it's like a like a point five percent chance, like one 627 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.480 out of two hundred, one out of three hundred, that this is them 628 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.760 making up. And he and they're like, I could just make a Mettal 629 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:05.440 Gear Solid for us. You know that relationship really did disintegrate in a really 630 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.079 rough way. Uh. And to know that that's the case, all you 631 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.519 got to look is like how Jeff Kewley treats Konami. He was like, 632 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:16.280 you've hurt my friends feelings. Fuck you, So probably not. They're probably 633 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.480 never gonna work together again. And if they do, I think it'll take 634 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.320 a little bit more time. Like he'll do this game and then he'll sign 635 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.320 off on some middle gear thing in the future when they have new leadership over 636 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:30.280 there or something like that. But for now still no. Yeah, there 637 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.039 was got that. There was like those rumors that what he was really sick 638 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.199 of working on was a Silent Hill game. But that was all that crazy 639 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.800 person over that other story. Oh that thing, Yeah, remember the name 640 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.920 or something? Yes, yeah, Hey, what are the odds that Hideo 641 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.639 Kojima is the first person to actually not die? Oh that's pretty good, 642 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.519 right, Like because he's scanning, He's got like all the scanning technology down 643 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.639 and he's probably thinking about ways to scan the brain. He probably has already 644 00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.559 started scanning. The said this quote is I realized that people people die, 645 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.880 that I'm going to die. Yeah, so really likely that he will be 646 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.400 the first one to not die and shout out to our new overlord Kochum. 647 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.679 Good for him. Hell Divers two passes one hundred fifty thousand players on Steam. 648 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.480 This is from Alex Hopley at Game Reactor Hell Divers to current players. 649 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.800 Yes, yes, we got some details about like how it's sold over well. 650 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:23.920 Hell Divers two is the surprise hit of the month. By the looks 651 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.920 of things. The sci fi bug killing Bonanza has been destroying previous Sony records 652 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.320 on PC, and it seems that trend has continued over the weekend since its 653 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.360 release. Right now, the current peak player count for hell Divers two since 654 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.400 at one hundred fifty five nine hundred twenty six. This feats out God of 655 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:44.840 War's PC player count by over eighty thousand, which is pretty impressive considering Hell 656 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.400 Divers wasn't exactly the biggest franchise going into the release. According to Arrowhead Games 657 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.679 CEO Aerowhead Games Studio CEO as well, Hell Divers two has apparently sold around 658 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.119 a million copies. He's not sure why Sony hasn't yet shared the success of 659 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.679 the game, but it's clear from the numbers we could see that is doing 660 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.920 well. That CEO said that it's doing well beyond the projections what they expected 661 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.079 the game to do. So I already sold a million copies. That's hey, 662 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:12.639 this game makes a lot of sense to me on Steam. It's the 663 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.679 kind of thing that I think PC players really get on board with, where 664 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.280 it's like, hey, a multiplayer game where anything can happen and it's all 665 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.840 about telling the stories of We went out there and you know, we someone 666 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.760 turned their gun to unsafe and no one knew what that meant, and then 667 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.079 he charged it up and exploded and killed the entire team. And it's like 668 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.239 that, Yeah, people eat that stuff up, So I'm not too surprised 669 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.920 it's doing well. But it's just nice to see. Obviously they have some 670 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.960 problems. That's that's the next story. But Hell Divers two feels like, 671 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.440 yeah, this should be the kinds of games that people are going gaga for. 672 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:45.880 I don't know, how do you feel? I mean, I had 673 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.039 a ton of funnel. You're playing it on Friday. I've already basically made 674 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.840 my brothers pick it up so that I can play it with them. It's 675 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.440 funny because like sci fi doesn't seem like, oh, it's a sci fi 676 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.800 game, that'll be fresh. Yeah, it feels really fresh in a lot 677 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.159 of ways. Uh. Part of it, Yeah, it was doing what 678 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.599 the first Hell Divers did a while ago. Of course, it is something 679 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:08.039 about seeing that into more kind of pristine package, right. I was like, 680 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.960 oh, before, yeah, that did feel like some niche PC game, 681 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.760 and you know, who cares. It's a gaming is still play forever 682 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.519 and have a ton of fun with. But there's something impressive about seeing that 683 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.679 translated to this you know, kind of more there, I say, triple 684 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:27.880 A package, yep, and it's they really nailed, uh the sense of 685 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.960 danger from the first Hell Divers, and they just kept amplifying it and a 686 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.239 lot again, a lot of the stuff is present in that first game, 687 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.559 like you said, but just kind of going in there and figuring things out 688 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.920 yourself, like that's been something I think a lot of developers have been realizing 689 00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:43.559 most players want that in one one way or the other, and it's probably 690 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.599 a difficult thing to pull off, like, hey, how do we do 691 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:50.000 that without feeling like hostile towards the player? And Hell Divers too is like, 692 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.960 you know what, let's just make that the language of the game. 693 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.079 Everything is hostile. The you know, the environments you're going into are obviously 694 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:02.039 hostile, but like what if you worked for a military organization that couched its 695 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:07.079 hostility in uh oh, we're speaking to democracy and it's all propaganda. That 696 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.920 doesn't that like make all that stuff make more sense? And obviously it just 697 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.280 hits so hard for me. I'm a huge Starship Troopers mark that movie. 698 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.440 I think it's perfect. They're obviously just trying to replicate that here, and 699 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.199 what a good idea. It's a really good fit for the gameplay mechanics that 700 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.880 make this game so much fun. So just just really really and I doubt 701 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.519 what they're doing here. And I know we've been skeptical of Sony's kind of 702 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:30.800 whole live service plan, but like, hey, here's map. Did they 703 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.519 already have a hit with one of the kind of first ones of these that 704 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.320 they really released with that whole initiative, That's it'd be a good sign for 705 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.000 them, absolutely, And if they can spot like winners like this, not 706 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.760 everyone needs. I mean, you know they partner with Square Nigs on Phone 707 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.119 Stars. Yeah, okay, that's fine. We know not all these are 708 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.079 gonna work, and some of them are going to be bad. That's fine. 709 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:52.280 So as long as we get a couple of these, most people be 710 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:57.039 I think, like, hey, no one's complaining about the live service aspect 711 00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.719 of Hell Diver. Well I should say no. People are complaining a little 712 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.599 bit about pay to win stuff, which I'm not engaged with too much. 713 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.960 The developers out there trying to defend it saying hey, I'm trying, we 714 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.639 don't think it's pay to win, and we tried to really walk that line 715 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:12.199 of like putting cool stuff that people can unlock, but not make it so 716 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.679 it destroys the balance of the game, and that's going to be up to 717 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.400 people to decide for themselves. But these games are going to try to find 718 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.599 ways to make money in an ongoing way. That is the whole point here, 719 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.079 and if they can make a good game in the process, that's going 720 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.679 to go a long way towards covering up anto of the other problems with that, 721 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.639 And most people will find a safe point in between, like, hey, 722 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.039 this is a live service game. I don't like those, and oh, 723 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:37.079 this is so much fun. I want to be playing this, and 724 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.199 like, you know what, I'll go in there with my friends. We'll 725 00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:44.280 play together, and if one of my friends starts paying money to unlock stuff, 726 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.559 we'll either deal with that or will happily just follow them into battle and 727 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:50.679 hope it will just go play on the extreme difficulty where that stuff is almost 728 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:54.679 certainly not going to help you overcome the challenges involved there. So yeah, 729 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.039 because it's not like it's a competitive game, So I mean, the pay 730 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.599 to win stuff is only going to go so far for me. Yeah, 731 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.239 I don't know. Yeah, it probably doesn't matter too much to me. 732 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:06.239 I am a little surprised whenever these kind of games have, you know, 733 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.360 the things you can buy that aren't just cosmetics or cosmetic adjacent right, what 734 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:14.519 is what is the thing that people are buying that is like some weapons? 735 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.280 I think it's weapons, some ordidence, Yeah, some stuff like that, 736 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:22.440 Yeah, probably which, Yeah, that's it's a. It's a. It's 737 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.159 definitely a little strange. There's definitely like stuff like in other games like XP 738 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:29.400 boosters, you see that, and games where it's like not competitive and that's 739 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.840 like, this is just strange. But the solution, I think for most 740 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.800 most most part is like play with friends that aren't going to buy that stuff 741 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:37.599 if you don't want to deal with that stuff, and then it's completely avoidable 742 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.119 avoided, Like you're not playing online against other people, So just play with 743 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.320 people you want to play with and it will be fine. Hell Divers two 744 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.960 dev explains server expansion following extreme login issues. So while this game is something 745 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:52.960 I've had a lot of fun with, it has had a lot of problems 746 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:59.320 when it launched, and this story from gill Up gel Kokovic from Destructoid explains 747 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.159 the story here it would appear that the studio behind hell Divers two, Arrowhead, 748 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:07.880 didn't quite anticipate the massive surge in popularity the game received following its February 749 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.239 eighth release date, with an all time steampeak of over one hundred and fifty 750 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:15.960 five thousand concurrent players, Hell Divers two servers simply couldn't hold on top of 751 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.480 the usual suite of airrors. Helldivers twos two throws out when there's something amiss. 752 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.079 Something even worse cropped up last Sunday of February eleventh. Notably, Hell 753 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:28.159 Divers two's servers straight up died, and it didn't take long for Arrowhead Studios 754 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.079 to respond. On the game's official discord server, Arrowhead explained that there were 755 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.159 too many players trying to join the galactic combat efforts at the same time. 756 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:40.599 To speak in technical terms, Arrowhead Studio CEO Johann Pilstett said, our services 757 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.119 as well as our partner services, have a rate limit or that denies connections 758 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.320 beyond a volume perent per minute to prevent the entire system from failing. There 759 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.360 were such a glut of players hoping to duke it out with the interstellar bugs 760 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.800 and cyborgs on PC and PS five that hell Divers two began throwing out server 761 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:58.199 airs left and right, and that part's not the quote. Back to the 762 00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.760 quote, we managed to increase the rate limit from ten thousand per minute to 763 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.440 twenty thousand per minute, and the total capacity of concurrent players was increased from 764 00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.960 two hundred and fifty thousand total to three hundred and sixty thousand total on and 765 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.920 then this is no longer the quote on its own. That sounds like a 766 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:17.280 promising that substantial server capacity increased, but pill Stitt explained that it wasn't enough. 767 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:21.000 This was, however, still not enough, as the player count jumped 768 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.679 to three hundred and sixty thousand after five and a half minutes, So between 769 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:29.280 PlayStation and PC it has three hundred and sixty thousand people, and that's only 770 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.519 because that's how many could service at any one time. Clearly more people were 771 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:37.000 trying to play it at that moment. So extremely successful, and this is 772 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.440 an example of them just not being able to predict the demand. Again, 773 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.119 we talked about it sold a million copies and that's way about beyond their projections. 774 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.519 Clearly they weren't expecting this kind of success so far. Though over the 775 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:52.280 weekend it seems like it's performed better and they've been able to address many of 776 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.480 these issues. So it's like, hey, the kind of one of those 777 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:58.679 a situations where hey, the bad news is good news because so many people 778 00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.559 are trying to play your game. That's why it failed. Deal with that. 779 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:02.840 Let's get past that. And those people seem like they're going to keep 780 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.559 coming back, right, Yeah, I know exactly. It's you know, 781 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.280 it's a problem, but it's one of the better problems that you can have. 782 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.559 It can maybe be frustrated with people and you're worried about them getting so 783 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.239 frustrated that maybe they don't come back. But people do have to buy this 784 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.679 game, right, so they are committed and they aren't going to be preps 785 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.159 turned away that easily, except maybe on Steam where you can get a refund 786 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.360 easily, I suppose, but I imagine that's a pretty small percentage of buyers. 787 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.159 Yeah, the CEO didn't mention, He's like, hey, thanks for 788 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.639 people who haven't refunded, for sticking with us. We're going to do our 789 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.840 best to get the game up and running as best as it possibly can. 790 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.519 Hell Divers two is how much is this game? Is it? People were 791 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.920 saying that that one film Star skin you're talking about is more expensive than how 792 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.880 Divers too, So that's right. Yes, this game is forty dollars so 793 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.960 yeah, yeah, and it has you know, as a twenty dollars like 794 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.760 DLC and stuff like that that unlocks a ton of extra things. So already, 795 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.119 like their DLC for this game is half the price of one of those 796 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.199 skin packs. It's it's making a lot of other games look pretty silly right 797 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.920 now. And I think if if you are out there trying to make a 798 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.320 game that is going to win over an audience that wants to come back and 799 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.320 play a live service thing, this is showing the path to do it right, 800 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.559 and games like Film Stars are clearly beefing it. You know, get 801 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.559 people into your game first and then maybe worry about money. Yeah, it 802 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.320 seems like a good strategy, all right, Mikey, I have a poll 803 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.480 question from last week. Let's get to that real quick here. Do you 804 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:31.639 think GTA six comes to switch to? Sixty four percent say never, thirty 805 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.519 percent say eventually, but not right away, and six percent say switch to 806 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:43.039 will will be a launch platform for GTA six, So we'll see most people 807 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.719 though, think it'll never come to switch to. I'm a little surprised that 808 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:50.000 many people think it will never come to switch to. Uh, you know, 809 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.599 I understand why GTA five never did. I mean, I wonder if 810 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.199 these people think that GTA five is going to come to the switch to, 811 00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:59.599 right, I mean, yeah, that's thing, that's something where it's like, 812 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:04.880 well the hell not. But I guess maybe GT six is asking a 813 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.039 lot. I don't know how scalable that game can be, just how much 814 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:13.119 scaling would have to happen there, I guess, I mean to the wider 815 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.320 point there, How do you think the third party fortunes will change for the 816 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.679 switch too? Do you think it'll get significantly more third party support than the 817 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.559 Switch did usually at first? Right? I think there'll be a lot of 818 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:29.280 people excited to port some of their older games from the last generation or so 819 00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.440 onto there. I don't know how many day and date releases, right, 820 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:37.880 that's the dream. I suppose that we're gonna get to a point where, 821 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:42.280 you know, like a like Assassin's Creed Red just comes out on twitch to 822 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.320 at the same time it comes on everything else. I don't know if we're 823 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.039 gonna get quite there, all right, I got another poll question that we 824 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.480 will put up here in a second while we get that ready, Mikey, 825 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:52.760 why don't you tell people where they can find you and what you have going 826 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.079 on on the internet and all that good stuff. Yeah. Check out games 827 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:02.159 Beat, we're managing editor. I'm on Twitter and Twitch has to Toe. 828 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.639 Check out the nineties Disney podcast, which I do of my brothers. We're 829 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.840 trying to become more Kana influencers, Jeff. Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna 830 00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.159 make that. Ha. It's gonna be great. They be. They announced 831 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.920 some more tail Spin cards over this weekend. So they're gonna get Rebecca eventually, 832 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.760 I think, and then I'm gonna get jammed. He's done. U. 833 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:27.920 Rebecca is not gadget right, No, No, Rebecca's She's like she's 834 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.039 a bear, but like a sexy bear, and she's a mommy too. 835 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.199 Okay. Yeah, they're playing a lot of a lot of bossy, kind 836 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.199 of bossy, so I see what chance into it. I'm just saying I've 837 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:43.119 been playing a lot more like a dragon, and eventually a character becomes a 838 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.360 mommy dummy like, and one of her moves is she knocks you to the 839 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:50.840 ground, she grabs you by the ankles, she sticks her heels into your 840 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:55.119 crotch and then electrocutes your balls and it's Yeah, it's a good video game. 841 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:59.880 Everybody. You should be playing it. That would be incredible. That 842 00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:04.519 was just the name of the job, Mommy, it's the name of the 843 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.679 job is Dominatrix. So like that. Well yeah it is just that, 844 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:09.760 okay cool? Yeah, well, night queen. That's right, night queen. 845 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:15.639 But yes, all the kumar around it is just Dominatrix stuff. Night 846 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.800 Queen. Yeah, yeah, it's real. That's a real video game, 847 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.199 right there. Yeah, I wish I could be playing it someday, someday. 848 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.559 All right. New poll question, how do you think backward compatibility will 849 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.760 work on the switch to your options are going to be It won't work at 850 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.920 all. It will generally require users to pay for an upgrade, It will 851 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:35.800 work for every game, but they won't run better. And finally, it 852 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.159 will work for every game and they will run better. Help people don't get 853 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.360 too granular about run better, like, yeah, maybe lot times will be 854 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.599 a couple of seconds faster. I don't know, but yeah better, yeah, 855 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.800 yeah, exactly. Mike's right, all right, we'll get to that 856 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.039 on the show on Wednesday. On Game This morning's here on Giant Bomb. 857 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.039 Speaking of Giant Bomb, Tomorrow we will have the Giant Bomb Cast. Tune 858 00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.880 in for that podcast, looking forward to that one, getting back into the 859 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:01.519 of things, and then for the rest of the week we'll have a lot 860 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.239 of our normal shows, Blake Club. We'll be back on Wednesday, right 861 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.880 Mike, Yes, Yes, Mike mcquanchie is in the Fire Temple. Now, 862 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.239 do you think I need to go back to the Earth Temple at some 863 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.320 point and like do it legitimately? We kind of you steered me into using 864 00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.440 a shortcut. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think you need to, 865 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:21.679 but I mean maybe for fun and when we get done, if you 866 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.320 want to like check it out or something like you or like a be like 867 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.239 club. But yeah, Chat's saying no, no, you definitely don't need 868 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.960 to. No, absolutely not, not when we like established that like shortcuts 869 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:37.320 are okay and Dan's run of Sonic the Hedge, Yeah, I guess precedents. 870 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.440 What's messed up is now because like we did that shortcut. I'm like, 871 00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:45.679 I could speed run this. It's because I did one shortcut. Uh, 872 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.440 yeah, I'm listening. I'm looking forward to that though more from that 873 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.039 game has been Every episode has been fantastic, So I'm really hoping we can 874 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.119 keep that going. Uh, all right, anything else that we should mention, 875 00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:59.079 We're gonna go in to a meeting kind of figure out what's going on 876 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.639 this week. But we about doing a BCR today. We might I honestly 877 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:06.239 don't know. We're figuring it out because we were going to move stuff around 878 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.679 and I haven't discovered one way or the other. So I'm gonna talk to 879 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.159 jan about that right now. We'll figure out what's going on with BCR, 880 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:13.360 and if we do it, it might be a little bit different than what 881 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.800 we were planning, but we'll see. Oh, oh, you're afraid that 882 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.199 you're afraid to talk more good things about Suicide Squad If that is that's right, 883 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.199 I can't go on the record. I got to keep my my opinions 884 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.880 hidden in secret exactly. And why are we play more Hell Divers held Divers 885 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:29.519 Tuesdays? We really want to put the divers list is there? Yeah, 886 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.519 we can find some time on Tuesdays just to play the hell Divers every day 887 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:34.519 for a very long time or every week for a very long time. I 888 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.159 would love that we'll figure something out. We do want to play more Hell 889 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.760 Divers oh all times days. On Wednesday, maybe I'll put like a heart 890 00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:46.360 instead of the normal quanchie symbol on my make Nothing says love like Mike mkwanchie. 891 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:52.880 Everybody, Senda Jane. Can we make like the printable Valentine's cards with 892 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:54.840 Mike mcqwanchie on them and just like put them on the website or something. 893 00:55:55.400 --> 00:56:01.320 You can love a sorcerer sometimes. Fuck. Thank you Michael Minatti fringing out 894 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:06.159 with me talking about video games. I really appreciate it. Oh yeah, 895 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.480 it's fun. Thank you everybody for watching. You the best audience in gaming. 896 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.199 Until next time, I have a good one. Take care of yourself 897 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:13.199 and goodbye.