1 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,280 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emil Jasinski, 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,960 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,719 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,760 Make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and also to the 5 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,759 premium version of our website as well. I'm joined today by Christopher Bedford, 6 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:39,640 executive editor at the Common Sense Society. Chris is actually joining us. This 7 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:44,320 is a dispatch from a common Sense conference in South Carolina. Sunny South Carolina, 8 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,280 Chris, thanks for beaming in from your conference. Happy to be here. 9 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,039 I was always at. I mean, I love conferences, and actually 10 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,679 I love this conference. It's been We had a fantastic opening speaker, we 11 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:03,040 had a fantastic mornings. But I do also suffer from that bad student kind 12 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:07,400 of thing. I can't sit still long enough. So happy to take a 13 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,719 quick break to talk with you. Yeah, you seemed very eager, and 14 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,879 now it all makes sense. You're just trying to get out of some sort 15 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:18,439 of like breakout session. No, fortunately, I mean this is we're down 16 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,280 here talking about kind of well we can get into that a little bit more 17 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,799 on the podcast, but it's been a biggery. I get pretty black pilled, 18 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:30,519 as you and any one heard listens might have picked up on. But 19 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,599 the speaker so far have been pretty uplifted. It's a rare thing and it's 20 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,480 a nice break from Washington, DCA. I'll tell you that. Yeah, 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,560 it sounds like it. Well, that's a reminder, actually, if you 22 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,280 have questions for Chris and me, send them in because before the summer's over, 23 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,200 we're going to do another Q and A so radio at the Federalist dot 24 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,680 com. If you have any questions you want me to force Chris to answer, 25 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,680 you want Christa force me to answer, they'll reed to send them into 26 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,719 the email address. Chris, you wrote a column this week for The Telegraph 27 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,599 about the women's soccer team, the US women's soccer team and the national anthem, 28 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,400 which I should add I talked about that on Megan Kelly's show not too 29 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,439 long ago and had some like really glib line about how I didn't actually even 30 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,800 realize the Women's World Cup was going on and just got so like an unusual 31 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,280 number of tweets from people being like educate yourself. Of course, the little 32 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:27,240 Women's World Cup going on How could you be so ignorant? I mean, 33 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:32,039 how these people you have to educate yourself to watch a sporting match. I 34 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,960 mean, if people don't care about it, they don't care about it. 35 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,560 It's it's shocking one. The Women's World Cup suffers from an extreme lack of 36 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:45,919 international interest. I mean, they get a get to make a fraction of 37 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:51,759 the salaries of male players while getting a significantly higher percentage of the profits on 38 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:54,520 the proceeds from their league. And the reason that they still make so much 39 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:59,840 less than their male counterparts is because even at a significantly higher percentage point, 40 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,080 I just don't make money because people just don't care. I mean, and 41 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,080 for a league where people don't care to go to one of the most remote 42 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,479 places on the planet to have your World Cup, New Zealand, like you 43 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:14,639 can film Lord of the Rings there, you don't have to even build a 44 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:21,719 set. Really is is this incredible? They they do this and then the 45 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:25,360 government of New Zealand ends up having to hand out tickets to get people to 46 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,479 actually show up to fill these stadiums, giving them away for free. So 47 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,879 it's kind of some parts operating that lost any single game last time I checked 48 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:37,719 them. The Women's World Cup. We'll sold out, But I guess you 49 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,319 have to educate yourself for not having known about that. It's it's kind of 50 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:46,240 it's it's shocking how self righteous some of these people are. Oh, I 51 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,840 thought you're gonna say my ignorance is shocking, and you know what, on 52 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:52,039 some days it really is. But when it comes to the Women's World Cup, 53 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,439 I feel absolutely no remorse for having zero idea and joking about the fact 54 00:03:55,479 --> 00:04:00,439 that zero idea what was happening, because it's the same teak from people who 55 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:05,759 insist that men and women are physical equals. Right here, there's all the 56 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:11,400 all the time with the WNBA. You know why, why do people it's 57 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,439 only misogyny and sexism that we can attribute to the reason these sports are not 58 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:21,240 as commercially successful. That's sort of the reason that people get really sensitive about 59 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:28,480 women's sports because they just find their self esteem in making these baseless chargers of 60 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:35,480 sexism and misogyny to people who don't want to watch extremely slow moving sports when 61 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,120 they could watch you know the version, I don't even I don't like watching 62 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,600 soccer, whether it's men or women, like, it doesn't matter to me. 63 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,079 It's just kind of boring. I I'm not naturally a soccer fan and 64 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,199 pertsping in stark contrast with my wife and my father in law, who are 65 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,639 who traveled the world previously, like their special vacation every four years. Just 66 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,439 go to a World Cup game and to be able to see a few matches 67 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,040 and absolutely love it. But I look at the headlines were coming in New 68 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,680 Zealand, like America ties Netherlands and riveting one to one match, and I 69 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:13,720 think that doesn't sound ripening. Now, I did actually tune in of the 70 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:17,199 ignorant, and I should say, because you're about to say that you tuned 71 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,879 into soccer, I should say sometimes it actually I do enjoy why, Like, 72 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,439 I don't think it's trash. I don't think the sport is trash. 73 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:26,759 I think I played soccer for a very long time. I enjoy it, 74 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,439 and I don't think it compares to like professional or college basketball or football college 75 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,079 football, professional football. So I'll leave it at that. Sarah did make 76 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,160 a good strount case for the game when she asked me to tune into the 77 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,759 last game of the Men's World Cup, which was just an incredibly exciting game 78 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,759 that went down to the last minute. So I don't open and I've always 79 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,800 enjoyed the Celtic matches that I've gone to when visiting family in Glasgow, so 80 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,160 I'm open to it, and especially if this is going to be a part 81 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,360 of my future, I'm open to it. But what I was right about 82 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,560 the Telegraph, what I'm less open to, and I'm what you Megan Kelly 83 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,800 has been a forceful critic on is the complete and total disrespect that the American 84 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:12,759 team has shown for the national anthem, which by the way, stands in 85 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:17,720 stark contrast to every other team that they are playing. And it's funny. 86 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:24,800 It's it's a side effect of the great privilege that the American players have that 87 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:30,720 there's no way that we are the least just, or the most awful or 88 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,680 the most terrible country to live in of all the countries that they're playing against. 89 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,360 But for some reason, the other countries players are all singing the national 90 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:41,560 anthem and ours are not. And I know that Megan Kelly and a bunch 91 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,680 of other critics have really focused on how embarrassing this is and how petulant it 92 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,399 seems childish, and how when you get the privilege to represent your country in 93 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:57,920 the national stage, it is your duty to go forward inter country. Well, 94 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,480 but what actually true? But what I find the most dangerous about that 95 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,839 is I think that these are people playing with ideas that they don't really understand. 96 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:13,439 And actually it's very dangerous what they're doing, not just disrespectful and annoying 97 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,839 and irritating, even though it is all those things, because they're the United 98 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:24,000 States, you know, may have started very much along English lines, English 99 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,360 ire Scottish lines, with that stock of people, but very quickly absorbed people 100 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:33,399 from other countries. Very early in our founding, there were other traditions, 101 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:41,439 other religions, other languages being introduced into the United States, cultures, backgrounds, 102 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,879 ideas, and unlike the nations of Europe, which are largely defined only 103 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:51,759 about four hundred years ago, along national origins with founding myths that were shrouded 104 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:58,000 in history. It's it's impressive how many nations traced there leanings back to Charlemagne. 105 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:00,920 I gas, he can't be everywhere once, but it seems to be. 106 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,879 We have like a really concrete founding, and we have a civic religion 107 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,720 which after the Civil War may have gotten a little out of hand. You 108 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,040 can look at the Capital Rotunda and see the Apotheosis of Washington, etc. 109 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:18,560 But we have a civic religion that unites us, that uses some symbols, 110 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:24,240 uses a concrete founding, uses an idea. And I think even that's gotten 111 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,680 a little out of hand in modern times too, that America is significantly more 112 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,680 of worse than an idea. But the idea, and that's the religion, 113 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,480 are extremely important to binding us together as people, binding Catholic to Protestant, 114 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,159 black to white, rich to poor people. Those are descended from the Mayflower 115 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:46,440 versus those whose parents immigrated or maybe immigrated themselves to this country. What makes 116 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,279 us all American is sort of that those things that unite us. And there's 117 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:56,120 this repetitive mantra that's just very, very stupid and hollow, but it sounds 118 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:00,759 nice that diversity is our strength. You see it all over the place, 119 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:07,120 completely false. Diversity is diversity is, on its own, separate from other 120 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:13,720 things, a great and incredible weakness. Of course, it can be used 121 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:18,080 to make us, make you a lot stronger when you have something else that 122 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,919 binds you, something that unites you. Your differences don't bring you together. 123 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,000 The things that make you the same do. So the example of one second, 124 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,240 or I have to say, I was reading a post on one of 125 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,240 those from one of those nonprofits that attempts to collect I think it might have 126 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:41,360 actually been the SPLC itself that attempts to come up with examples of hate speech, 127 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:48,240 and on one person's the entry of the post about one person who's apparently 128 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,159 a spreader of hate speech and actually very well, maybe one of the quotes 129 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:58,080 that they listed as like just clear evidence of actual racism was diversity is a 130 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,360 weakness, like exactly what you said. So this isn't to say Chris Bedford 131 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,519 deserves to be added to the SBLC hate map. It is to say, 132 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:11,279 this is saying something like that is so anathema, It is so so like 133 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:16,720 subversive in this current culture. Like if you said that to a zoomer, 134 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,480 I think they would be totally clueless and probably would identify you with like the 135 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:26,320 alt right or something. Maybe I guess I definitely Republicans are afraid to talk 136 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,840 about these sorts of things. But let's take a look at like any efficient 137 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,039 fighting for us it's ever existed in human history. Just take a look at 138 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:37,799 the U. S. Marine Corps, where a bus load actually not too 139 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:39,799 far from where we are right now, in Paris, Island, where I 140 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:45,120 am right now, drops off a bus load of kids from all different walks 141 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:50,639 of life. Puerto Rican kids from the Bronx, Black kids from La Baptists 142 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:58,720 from South Carolina, and Irish kids from Boston, with different levels of education, 143 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:03,039 some of them speaking different languages. They have different backgrounds, they have 144 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,000 different skills, they have different things perhaps will inform them and maybe help their 145 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,320 unit. But what's the first thing their instructor does is they shave all of 146 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,399 their heads to look exactly the same. They put them in a bunk room 147 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,519 exactly the same as each other. They put them in the exact same clothes, 148 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,399 and they run them to the exact same drills they make. They forge 149 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:24,080 them the sameness into a unit that's capable, because otherwise they're useless, completely 150 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:30,440 useless. A more funny example would be the Burger Kinge Kids Club, which 151 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,519 is like just a picture of nineteen nineties classic stereotypical like diversity. They've got 152 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,480 the kid in the wheelchair, They've got the black their kid, they got 153 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:43,600 the redheaded kid, they've got the tall girl. All these different people are 154 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:48,840 very different group. What draws them together? What makes them the Burger King 155 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,320 Kids Club is that they're a bunch of children who love adventure and cheeseburgers. 156 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,159 And because of that, they accomplished a bunch of different adventures and they get 157 00:11:56,159 --> 00:11:58,600 along together and they bring different perspectives. And that's all. That's all well 158 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:05,000 and good. But when you harp on the things that make us different as 159 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,639 opposed to the things that make us the same, the things that make us 160 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:09,360 all Americans, the thing that make us all ad Action Club, the thing 161 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:13,240 that makes us all Marines, then you divide us and you pull us apart, 162 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:18,159 and you make us weak. And United States is an extremely diverse place, 163 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,720 and having those different voices makes us very strong in a lot of different 164 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:30,840 ways. But that only makes us strong when we are united. In the 165 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:35,120 United States. It's in our name. And when you teart those symbols and 166 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,080 some of them are easy. Now, some of them seem like, oh, 167 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,120 it's just generalistic. No, it's the American flag is a symbol which 168 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,840 all unites us. The attacks in the American flag and the substitution have kind 169 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,679 of even changed the faces of neighborhoods, like there's one neighbor, there's one 170 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,840 splock a few blocks from a house where every house on it has an American 171 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:58,440 flag, where one house just moved in a few months ago in the middle 172 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,360 of them and took down the American flog and put up a Rainbow flog. 173 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:07,000 And it's just like a as you know, like right after Putin invaded Ukraine, 174 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:11,759 there were blocks on Capitol Hill here in DC where almost every house, 175 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:15,519 if not every clouse hung a Ukraine flag. And I have to imagine if 176 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:18,120 you lived on one of those blocks, you felt immense pressure to hang a 177 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,840 Ukraine flag. Otherwise you're going to be associated with something You're not a good 178 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:28,279 enough person. Yeah, ostracized, yes, exactly, but that's the same 179 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,480 You don't if you don't put the Ukrainian flag above your door before your family 180 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,159 goes to sleep, and the angel of death will take the firstborn when he 181 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:41,279 passes over. You must you must mark your door with the blood or the 182 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:48,519 or you'll be taken. This is a symbol of your innocence. The Washedout 183 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,600 on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack the connection 184 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,279 between politics and the economy and how it affects your wallet. Commercial real estate 185 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,840 is in a category five hurricane. With the FED continuing to un six, 186 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,080 that's fully raised interest rates to curb inflation. Real estate loans in two years 187 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,919 are going to top two trillion dollars. Could over five hundred banks go bankrupt. 188 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:11,679 Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you 189 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,919 financially. Be informed. Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 190 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:22,440 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. I have 191 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,159 to set your Burger King Kids Club reference too. Is funny because a couple 192 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:31,279 of weeks back, I was teasing you for your one cultural reference point being 193 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,120 fern Gully, but I'm wrong. It's there are two of them. It's 194 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,639 fern Gully and the Burger King Kids Club, which any time of you dive 195 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:43,159 into pop culture you're going to be using as your point of reference fern Gully 196 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,519 or the Burger King Kids Club, which probably allows people to pinpoint your age 197 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,639 exactly. This is a man who lived through the eighties. These are the 198 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:56,279 things that scarred me as a child. Captain Planet absolutely scarred me as a 199 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:03,840 child as well. But so like everything has been increasingly politicized in American life, 200 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,360 it's taken over a lot of the private spheres. Take it seeped into 201 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:11,320 our family lives and our dinner tables, which has always kind of there's always 202 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,279 been discussion and such a disagreements between people in America, sometimes very strong disagreements, 203 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:22,519 but it's it's after after the election of Barack Obama, it seeped into 204 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:26,240 sports, where it must have been extremely toxic, just said to be an 205 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,639 ESPN or a bunch of people who probably had probably a bunch of Bush voters, 206 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:33,360 a bunch of Clinton voters and in past years and Gore voters had gone 207 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,759 along fine. But suddenly it was a cultural thing, so it became part 208 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:43,039 of sports, and the sports viewing had largely been somewhat insulated from it, 209 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,519 and that is no more so when these women refused to sing the national anthem 210 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:54,360 or to honor it. They're tearing at the national anthem that draws us together. 211 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Something that's been a healing thing, something that's been a strengthening thing. 212 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,279 Something that they said on the steps of the Capitol after the nine to eleven 213 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:07,919 attacks, something that there's really emotional videos from Boston and from New York City 214 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,440 after the terrorism attacks that they suffered of the crowds at hockey games or at 215 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,960 baseball game singing the national anthem, I lad, this is an important thing 216 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,960 to uniting us, not just some tradition that we can cast away so easily. 217 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,840 And it is so important like the flag, because there's so so many 218 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,039 of the things that the Unite US had to worken down, so many of 219 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:33,600 the civic groups where we could meet from people from different walks of life, 220 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,360 but really broken down into America, we've retreated a lot to internet escapism and 221 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:41,360 the groups that we can find there. And when you take some of the 222 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:45,519 few things that we have left and attack them, it's not just the publicity 223 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,000 stuck, which it is probably what a lot of the participants really think of 224 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:52,559 it as like this is a publicity thing to draw attention to the plight of 225 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,919 LGBTQ or so there's all the attension to the plight of black Americans. But 226 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:04,319 really it's it's hurting everyone in this country by by making by making the anthem 227 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:10,200 or making the flag a political symbol, we remove one of this like the 228 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,200 remaining straining stitcher that are really holding the fabric of our society together in a 229 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:19,799 way that's anyway mutually endearing. Yeah, it's just so bizarre to do that. 230 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:26,519 As the United States of America, it's bizarre to not have the sense 231 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:32,680 of pride. I mean, I understand, I don't know. I guess 232 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,359 I've always been sympathetic to the idea that you have to you know, protest 233 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,799 in order to improve even now, right, Like, obviously we can pretty 234 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:48,720 much all agree on you know, maybe not the policy outcomes or whatever, 235 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,799 but I think we can pretty much all agree that the Civil rights movement, 236 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,400 the action that the civil disobedience that was taken during the Civil rights movement, 237 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:00,079 I think we can all agree on that now in twenty twenty three, a 238 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:06,480 women's soccer team. I mean, we're talking some of the most privileged people 239 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,799 in the world, condensing their experiences down to their identities in ways by the 240 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:17,319 way, that it's totally self defeating as an argument, because all they've gotten 241 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:22,200 is positive mainstream media coverage, so called mainstream media coverage since they started this 242 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:26,200 protest. All they're doing is being vaunted by the corporate press and held up 243 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:33,200 by the elites as role models. Essentially, they're getting publicity for it, 244 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:37,480 and yeah, they're getting criticized, you know, sharply by some people who 245 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,359 are still sane. But it just remarkable to me, and I have to 246 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,920 think some of it is some of this has to be downstream of the way 247 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:52,559 that technology shrinks the globe. Right, Like if you're constantly looking at and 248 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,160 you know other cultures are looking at you, you're looking at other people's cultures, 249 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,799 and you're the United States, which is, you know, the subject 250 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:07,400 of constant criticism by other countries around the world. It's like you're you're ashamed 251 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,400 because your your country is such a frequent, you know, target, and 252 00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:17,240 you're not proud. You lose that pride because it's harder to own it when 253 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,279 you're in when you're on a global stage. Obviously, that doesn't speak well 254 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:23,400 of these women. They should be proud to be Americans and they should be 255 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:29,839 courageous enough to represent the United States on the global stage. It's not to 256 00:19:29,839 --> 00:19:32,559 say the United States is perfect, but it is to say a lot of 257 00:19:32,599 --> 00:19:36,440 freedoms that people are enjoying around the world, let alone in our country, 258 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,720 and that people have enjoyed in our country for decades now, We've we've led 259 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,519 the way. There's so much to be proud of, and allowing the bad 260 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:49,960 to outweigh the good. Uh, it's just maddening. But it's also I 261 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:55,640 just find it so sad. I mean they must be sad. Yeah, 262 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,480 I think it well, you know, uh, we talked about him on 263 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:03,039 last year podcasts, but they're down here where. Doctor Josh Fred Mitchell is 264 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:07,960 a Common Sense Society Senior Fellow, our first as as a professor at Georgetown, 265 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:15,960 and he was speaking last night during dinner about tok Fille's kind of prediction 266 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,799 about America. He's a total scholar that there would come a time in this 267 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,880 new democracy where every man would feel himself greater than a king, but would 268 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,200 also be less than a man. And he sees it in his own students, 269 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,559 a lot a lot of people who it's like a very bipolar thing. 270 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:36,200 The highs and the lows. I think probably cost my social media great. 271 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,119 It's a great extent of feeling like you are the change. You are the 272 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,839 person who will change this. You refuse to sig the national anthem, you 273 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:48,079 stand up, you're basically marching across the bridge at Selma. You're with Martin 274 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,160 the King on the balcony, but at night you're falling asleep. A lot 275 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,319 of these students extremely depressive, feeling like you're absolutely hopeless, you're isolated, 276 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:00,720 there's nothing that you can do to change this system. You can't have children 277 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:07,400 because of global warming, don't you don't own any property. Sixty percent of 278 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,559 your fifty percent of your peers say that they have some kind of mental illness 279 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,799 or some kind of pharmaceutical. But then you get that high of being out 280 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:19,200 in the street and chanting or we are the Kings, we are the future. 281 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:22,440 We don't owe it to anyone, We don't owe anything to our attrition 282 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:26,640 for our past. We're generation zero, we are the moral ones. We 283 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,839 know how to tear down the past. And then it reverts back to that 284 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,400 sense of this hopelessness, in total despair, and it's I think social media 285 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:40,920 plays a large part of that. I don't think in a normal environment, 286 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,200 at least by the standards of the last four hundred years of modern history, 287 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:49,319 that most of these soccer players afforded this privilege to be acting this way. 288 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:56,119 It's because of its combination of a domineering celebrity player Megan matt rapperdo I think, 289 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,279 and the shame that she probably brings on a lot of people compare later 290 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,559 point is that like America is not gay enough, which is just shocking to 291 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:11,240 me living in Alexandra and uh and but that and in social media and they 292 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,519 you get a sense of martyrdom and a sense of a cost that they are 293 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,039 a part of. That's greater than than I don't know, playing the beautiful 294 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,039 game on the world stage, even if Mla Desnski didn't know what we're going 295 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,319 on. Yeah, well you know that's the thing. It's it's like, 296 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,079 it's this constant. It's much more satisfying to find your um. I think 297 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:36,799 gratification in victimhood. If you have nothing else, um, if you're sort 298 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:41,519 of alienated from the aspects of life that do traditionally give you purpose and meaning, 299 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:47,680 um, then it's obvious that people are going to gravitate towards identity politics 300 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,200 in victim Hutton. I think that's been very clear. But I also think 301 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,759 it's happening in ways that are much more normal than we realize. You know, 302 00:22:53,799 --> 00:23:00,359 it's not just those extreme cases of all right, four channers finding purpose 303 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:06,079 and meaning in ship posting on four Chan all day. It's a really shane 304 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,920 just that it's so yeah, it's so much more mundane. It's people taking 305 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:18,720 the incentives of social media and then you know, grafting them onto human interaction 306 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,519 in real life in ways that are just deeply, deeply unhealthy. And one 307 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,440 thing I wanted to ask you, Chris, actually is there's this I don't 308 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,200 know if you've read it yet, but there's this extremely long article in Tablet 309 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,920 that was published today. It is a David Samuel's interview with David Garrow. 310 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:40,359 David Garrow is a Martin Luther King biographer and actually an Obama biographer who Samuel's 311 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,400 argues published a biography of Obama in twenty seventeen that didn't quite get the pickup 312 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:51,319 that it should have. It has some like really sensational I think, or 313 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:57,880 evidence of some really sensational mistruths or maybe outnight lives or fictionalizations in Dreams for 314 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,039 My Father Obama sort of self told or Obama's autobiography. And one of the 315 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:10,839 things Garrow says that's so poignant is he can't get over what it is about 316 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:17,039 Barack Obama that was so fixated on undercutting the concept of American exceptionalism. He's 317 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:18,880 like, this is the one thing I cannot wrap my head around when it 318 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,839 comes to Barack Obama, and I really think that set the tone. At 319 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,559 one point, they're talking in this article about how Obama talks about his sort 320 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:32,319 of stone or dorm room politics, where they were all getting high and talking 321 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:37,000 about France final and colonialism and imperialism and blah blah blah, and yeah, 322 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,720 that's the only explanation I have that, like Obama has just at the end 323 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:44,920 of the day never sort of come past that very you know, when you're 324 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:51,319 like a libertarian freshman kid or a super socialist freshman college student and you have 325 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,759 these like major realizations about the United States or revelations you feel like about the 326 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,720 United States, about the twentieth century, about or in peace, and you 327 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:06,799 just never quite pushed past that. And it's it's sort of a simplistic or 328 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,440 maybe crude understanding of the world. And I'm not saying that it's Obama's understanding 329 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,960 of the world so much as I'm saying it's useful right that this is a 330 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:22,559 this is like a useful contour from his perspective of geopolitics, And it did 331 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,319 seem to set the tone for the country. I really think he taught the 332 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:32,200 country to increasingly be embarrassed by itself yeah, I think he did, And 333 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:33,519 yeah, you're right, he just come across like that. It reminds me 334 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,640 of one of your former co hosts on your morning show with the Hill, 335 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:42,920 who one point was just reciting to like a college freshman, passengers from Killing 336 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,039 Hope. It's growing in lum book that I read when I was in high 337 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,359 school of blew my mind. Or it's like, oh, did you just 338 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,039 hear about Howard's in Oh you heard your first Nome Chomsky tape and now you're 339 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,720 revolutionary? Have you put this? Have you put this these interesting alternative histories? 340 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,519 Have you filtered them through common If you filter them through reality, filter 341 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:08,880 them through the primary documents, they bring some interesting perspective because like all countries, 342 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,839 we have a founding myth and in some makes sense, but a lot 343 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:18,839 of them are deeply, deeply flawed and wrong, and you have to you 344 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,839 have to draw something from it that not let it, not let the poison, 345 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,079 and a lot of them is that. Be aware of them, but 346 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,839 don't let it overwhelm the anecdote. I mean, so what we're doing down 347 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,440 here, I'm sorry, Well, I was just gonna say to your point, 348 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,559 I think you were I think you were actually just gonna talk about this, 349 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,640 like to some extense, we need myths, and like the myths should 350 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:45,000 be This is like a shared, uh, sort of national consensus on the 351 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,599 symbol um, you know, on the flag being fundamentally a good thing that 352 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,279 doesn't need to be burned or torn up, the national anthem being something that 353 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:56,960 you are eager even when the country is at its lowest, that you are 354 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,279 eager to sing in the sort of fred Rick Douglas What to the Slave is 355 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:07,319 the fourth of July and his broader outlook on the founders and Lincoln himself. 356 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,759 One of the best speeches is the dedication that Frederick Auglas gave to the Abraham 357 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,680 Lincoln statue at Lincoln Park here in Washington, DC. And I know we've 358 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,039 talked about it on the podcast before about the flaws of Lincoln, but also 359 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,359 why it felt it was important for Frederick Douglas to celebrate Lincoln in that moment. 360 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,599 We used to all agree on those things, and I think for for 361 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,160 good reason. And when you start puncturing holes in the myth, that's all 362 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,279 well and good if you say, well, the myth maybe has some problems 363 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,319 here and there, And to Ryan's credit, he's still my co host over 364 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:44,440 at Counterpoints. I think I didn't No, it's funny it's Ryan Gream because 365 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,279 that that clip went viral, because I actually think the left had this totally 366 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,359 oversimplistic idea of what Ryan was saying and what I was saying, and because 367 00:27:53,359 --> 00:28:00,839 they agree with that oversimplified um, sort of chomsky Ish take it. You 368 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,119 know, it's it's just a sort of easy fodder. But it's okay to 369 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,000 it's okay to say, you know, the myth is a myth. And 370 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:11,039 now it's just sort of because our brains have just been rerouted into the sort 371 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:18,519 of social media, the social media incentive highway, we can't have these these 372 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,880 serious conversations anymore. And when you're poking holes in the American myth, that's 373 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,079 fine if you still see the forest for the trees. And I think that's 374 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,519 exactly where we went wrong with Barack Obamas, that he did not want to 375 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,240 see the forest for the trees. I mean, we all have myths. 376 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:38,799 That's how we make sense of our world and where we came from. It's 377 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:48,119 all histories or some level of myth making, and they're all histories necessarily exclude 378 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,559 certain viewpoints because they must rely on one of them. I mean to me, 379 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,279 it was I think you guys were talking about World War Two. It's 380 00:28:53,279 --> 00:29:00,359 amazing that you were accused of of parroting a myth by someone who think said 381 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:07,039 that the Soviet Union liberated Europe from from terror and mass murder. Tell that 382 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,759 to someone in Poland, maybe they'd have a different myth from you Ryan about 383 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,480 their liberators. But I should set up a debate with you two. That 384 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,240 would be fun, just about the end of World War two. Yeah, 385 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,759 it would be lovely. You know. One of the things that it's not 386 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:29,799 a myth is that the United States is about four hundred years since the first 387 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:36,319 settlers arrived in North America, and one of the things that we were, 388 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,400 like, one of the things that we've taken from them is the incredible traditions 389 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,920 that they brought with them from Europe. But also how they honed those traditions 390 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,079 and where they picked and where they chose, and how how those forefathers built 391 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,039 up until they got to a system by the time of the American Revolution, 392 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:59,599 or piece together a sort of constitutional republic based on Monuscu's separation of powers in 393 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,680 form by Adam Smith's Wealth of nations look brought, they looked to Rome, 394 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:10,599 they looked to ancient Greece, they looked to the Church. They pulled all 395 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,599 these different ideas from all these different places. But and it's a genius system. 396 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,160 Vote one of the things that and that's part of of course, the 397 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,839 Methodist I think, is also part of the reality. One thing that's not 398 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,119 part of the methods. It was only able to succeed, and they were 399 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:26,480 only able to get this far. We were only able to have those discussions 400 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,680 and put from these things and do these trial and error because we were a 401 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,359 society that talked face to face. We were a society that had a lot 402 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:38,680 of very strong and important civic institutions. We had churches where people from different 403 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,240 classes met in different sometimes different backgrounds, not all the time. We had 404 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:49,759 town halls, we had I mean, Toko was amazed at the philanthropy and 405 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,119 the charity terrible tradition that exists in America, which by the way, still 406 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,880 doesn't exist in Europe. So it's a very can be a very difficult thing 407 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,640 to try and raise money for a nonprofit in New York doesn't really enter into 408 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,319 a lot of people's thinking. If the government takes care that the state takes 409 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:08,480 care of that um that society and that culture of back and forth that we 410 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:15,160 really had and face to face interactions or things that really just those sensific institutions 411 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:22,519 cannot be replaced by internet and this constitutional order that we have and this free 412 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,240 market system that we have, well excellent systems responsible for a lot of freedom 413 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,039 and a lot of prosperity, are not going to save us without the things 414 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:34,480 that built them, which are those kind of those interactions between humans, those 415 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:42,160 civic institutions, that understanding and embracing of tradition that looking back to our forefathers, 416 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,640 that these are the these are the things that allow that to happen. 417 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:55,319 The America. What makes America exceptional is not just this experiment in government, 418 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,359 which other that that certainly that it was exceptional and still is that where it 419 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,400 all came from and all the different shared experiences from from Jerusalem to London to 420 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:10,920 Rome that Kana came together in what we build. And that's one of the 421 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,079 things that we're actually down here and stuff Canina really talking about, is it's 422 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,720 going to come up to really civic engagement and education and things like that. 423 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:22,200 If we're going to try and turn this around, and we can't simply rely 424 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:27,119 on the excellent system that's been handed down to us to continue to function as 425 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:32,079 us. My friend DD Bower said this morning he's worked in a farm in 426 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:39,279 his entire life and he's never seen a tractor and fixed itself. That I'm 427 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:43,400 far removed from from the farm life. And I say, I've never seen 428 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:50,440 a truck itself. So that's fantastic as well. And this isn't just I 429 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,920 don't think this is just a sort of abstract discussion. Because there was a 430 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,079 poll that came out I think it was just last week. It maybe even 431 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:07,000 been the week of for a plummeting American pride among a young demographic. I 432 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,799 think it might have been like eighteen to twenty seven or eighteen to thirty four 433 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,880 or something like that. Young adults are their pride in the United States has 434 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,559 declined precipitously over like just the last decade, and just a big steep drop. 435 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640 You can see it on the chart that I think Axios made from the 436 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:29,160 pole. And so this is a very immediate problem. It's it's not abstract, 437 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,839 it's how do you run a country if you have that level of just 438 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,759 antipatriotism. I don't think these are people who are just sort of like ambivalent 439 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:42,839 about the question of America, but have actually, you know, been introduced 440 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,359 to sixteen nineteen curriculum in their public school. Again, I think when you're 441 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,440 sort of have some distance from what it was like to be a kid, 442 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,240 or if you're in you know, the homeschooling situation, you have all you 443 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,519 happen to have a lot of control over what your kids see. These you 444 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,799 know, from the moment their eyes open in the morning, so when they 445 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:07,680 shut at night, Um, it's hard to I think put yourself in the 446 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,039 shoes. Sometimes I wonder what it's like to just be a normal kid with 447 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:15,920 parents who are not politically engaged, you know, maybe trust to their public 448 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000 school system because they went to the same schools. You know, understand that 449 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,320 teachers are a little bit to the left and have maybe heard some crazy things 450 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,400 happening, but you don't really have other options and generally have still a good 451 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,639 taste in their mouth about public schooling and the same thing. You know, 452 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,840 all their kids friends have have phones, have smartphones with social media on it 453 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,159 and Instagram and tik talk and snapchats, so it's not worth the fight to 454 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,920 sort of control it. But if you look on those apps, I mean, 455 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,119 they are they are poison. Even if you have the parental controls on 456 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,599 what they're able to just sort of imbue young the worldview. They're able to 457 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:54,159 just imbue over time of not liking this country, reasons to again not see 458 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,760 the forest for the trees. You know, they're just presenting tree after tree 459 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,360 after tree of know terrible things about the United States, but they're never giving 460 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,760 the full picture. And I mean, I just don't know what happens in 461 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,480 the next ten years. People were so surprised when in some cases bubbles were 462 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,880 punctured in twenty twenty, and as somebody who was what like, I don't 463 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,559 know how old it wasn't twenty twenty, but not that far removed from from 464 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,039 high school and college. It was probably like I was twenty seven. It 465 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,400 wasn't surprising me at all. I don't think it was surprising you, Chris, 466 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,280 because you lived deep in the heart of a blue city. But it 467 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,480 was bad then. I just can't imagine how bad it is in a couple 468 00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:39,079 of years time, when this current generation is in control of the workforce and 469 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:45,119 more at a level that is higher and higher when their parents, when they're 470 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,840 you know, in the PTA meetings, I don't know, and they think 471 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,679 that they think that culture is disposable, but they don't have anything to replace 472 00:35:53,719 --> 00:36:00,840 it with. They think that four hundred years can just throw top wisdom, 473 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:05,800 reliant on things for even further let's further back, can just be thrown aside, 474 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,559 you know. And you see this with You've seen this in other revolutions. 475 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:13,079 The French had their Year zero where they're just going to start over and 476 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,400 they're the new generation of the moral generation. They're going to take it over. 477 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:22,320 The Kimir Rouge had this moo zedn push this sort of thing with the 478 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,719 new Man that they are the ones to not inherit the earth, but to 479 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,480 seize it and to take it and to remake it in their own and that 480 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:37,880 everyone that came before them lacks their moral compass, and this certitude is really 481 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,880 dangerous, this lack of reflection is really dangerous. And you're right, it's 482 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,519 the same way that our traditions have previously been passed down so easily that they 483 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:52,800 started to seem like they're simply common sense. As jkh Esterton kind of spoke 484 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:59,480 about there's another also, a way to poison used. The takeover of education 485 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,920 over the last sixty years has really led to a poisoning. And you have 486 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,480 these people, yea Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic leader who was at one point 487 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:12,239 everyone wanted to be president, coming out there saying America is never that great. 488 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,679 You've got the Huffington Post coming out there and saying America's never that great. 489 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,840 You've got Eric Holder, a black Attorney general under a black president, 490 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,840 saying America is never actually that great. And then you've got teachers who was 491 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,679 held in contempt of Congress and survived, somehow managed to keep his job and 492 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,280 is now making tons of money in another position of power, like managing elections 493 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,800 all over the country. Yeah, America has been pretty great to him, 494 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,320 it seems like. But but America also relies on those people who actually are 495 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,960 selfless, those people who are disinterested, those people who who as opposed as 496 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,920 opposed as self interested, those people like George Washington, those types who could 497 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,840 take the sword and take the content to army, who don't have to surrender 498 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,599 the presidency, who can wear it as a crown who decided to step away. 499 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,320 And that's not something that's really, I mean looking at looking at Joe 500 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:06,559 Biden right now, who obviously thought he was not going to He didn't think 501 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:08,039 he was gonna be president. Hillary Clinton was the heir apparent. She was 502 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:12,440 going to win, she was going to govern for eight years. He was 503 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,360 leaving office, and he told his son Hunter, like, all right, 504 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,480 having to make some money, he let's do this. And then totally would 505 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,599 have been fine had he never actually come back four years later and become president, 506 00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:22,760 no one would have cared about it, and whatever it really would have 507 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,320 noticed, it wouldn't have been front page news. To the miss calculated there. 508 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,000 That's the exact opposite of the kind of person that we need in power 509 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,239 right now. Kind of take these things. But even then, the president 510 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,719 is not going to save us. We have to get to get back to 511 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,360 the education and the engagement. And you know, there's been a lot of 512 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,519 different classical curriculums that are being worked out there. Conversation, society works in 513 00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,639 a bunch, Hillsdale's doing a bunch. There's been an explosion of classical schools 514 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:52,960 and explosion of I mean, thirty years ago, I think was we're actually 515 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,719 at attended at this conference, maybe who was arrested in South Carolina for homeschooling, 516 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,320 and now it's all over the country and there are great curriculums and great 517 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,320 things there. The one great thing that we have going for us I don't 518 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:14,119 see when I travel Europe a lot of Europe is when you go outside of 519 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,079 a lot of the capital cities, you don't see the same spark that you 520 00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:22,559 see in the United States. To leave the main cities and unit states just 521 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:27,159 to really be refreshed, To drive cross country is to be invigorated, To 522 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,679 get away from the awfulness of DC and just drive through South Dakota or Minnesota, 523 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:39,719 or Arkansas or Kentucky or anywhere else Colorado is to see people who really 524 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:45,199 do care and still have that spark so well that there's a cancer that's definitely 525 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,760 spreading there still has the still that fire left in the American people. An 526 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,119 exceptional people that I think have been turning on this sometimes. But it's not 527 00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:58,719 an authentime, like the pendulum is just going to stand back on its own, 528 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,440 but can be fixed with education, that can be that we can tend 529 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,840 this down to our children. You know, one of those speakers said earlier 530 00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:13,360 this week, for all of us pain, the transgender social contagion, for 531 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,159 example. Is it kind of a gift that keeps on giving If you're a 532 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:21,760 parent who's paying attention to the in the slightest amount to what's going on with 533 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,079 your children and their peer groups. So what you're reading about, you have 534 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:28,639 to be very actively engaged in the way the parents didn't really think they have 535 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,360 to be ten years ago, or five years ago or even four years ago. 536 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,840 And what your children is learning, their child is learning in school, 537 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,320 and what their teachers are saying and what their textbooks are. Dude, you 538 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,280 literally just did a Georgian of you. But she said what the children is 539 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,639 learning in school? I meant to say, your child is learning in school, 540 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,159 little child, children is learning. No, that's a great point. 541 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,199 And actually I was going to say a fact that I felt weirdly optimistic this 542 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:01,239 week because I saw the Barbie Movie of all things, and the entire I 543 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,039 know, the entire joke of the Barbie movie, almost every single joke is 544 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,440 predicating on predicated on the idea that men and women are different. I wrote 545 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,880 a whole piece about this over at the funerals. WoT to check it out, 546 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,840 But the entire movie, I thought it was really funny. Some people 547 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,599 may disagree with that, but I thought, at least maybe this is a 548 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,119 low bar, but at least this is a movie that is being it's It's 549 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:27,199 second week was bigger than Oppenheimer's first week, and Oppenheimer had a big first 550 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,920 week. It had a better than expected first week. And so when you 551 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,280 have people on the second week going out to see Barbie in droves historic second 552 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,559 week showing for a movie, it means people like it and people don't like 553 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,320 woke nonsense. That's why it's commercially never successful, never ever successful for the 554 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,320 most part. And I think that's at some level, there's something in us 555 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,800 that understands, appreciates, respects nature, and it's just when it has some 556 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,119 sort of like political pretense that people feel the need to virtue signal and sort 557 00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:59,800 of play the game. But we all know, we all know that men 558 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,800 women and men and women are different. We all know it's funny that the 559 00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:07,000 Ten's Mojo Dojo cosa House is going to be different than the Barbie Dreamhouse and 560 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:09,719 it's going to need to be disinfected when you turn it back to a Barbie 561 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,039 dream House, because you know, men can be gross, which is something 562 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,119 we all know. I want to see it. I want to see the 563 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:23,159 new Barbie movie. It's just when you've got a kid or kids going out 564 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:29,679 to see a movie that's not for children, becomes a babysitter involved in yes 565 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,679 of activity. It's like not just like anyone to go see a filmm so 566 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,320 like trying to find a day to see Oppenheimer and Barbie. It's like, 567 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,519 I don't know, maybe I'll take off a day from work. It's been 568 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:42,400 all day in the movie theater. You just keep watching that soccer Chris. 569 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,280 I look forward to it, you know, there's some point to that. 570 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,480 Like with the Wed last night, that was my last reference I'm like talking 571 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:57,760 with. I asked Joshua Mitchell question last night because he's got a really interest 572 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,920 theory. Talked about last week about well because them as a religion, and 573 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,400 that's something that we've written about a lot of the Federalist I've talked about, 574 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,960 but those there's something that seems to be missing from that, which is that 575 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,960 it's a religion that has no martyrs. It's got a lot of sacrificial victims. 576 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,239 They are eager to sacrifice more victims, but it has no martyrs. 577 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:22,400 People don't really die for that cause they draw back their lineage to actual civil 578 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,199 rights activists and people who really did fight for something noble, but it's not 579 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,599 really their lineage. That's totally fraudulent. People run, people use, people 580 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:37,599 use it to escape paid like oh, this building is green, this um, 581 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:42,039 this card shop is pro gay or a safe space, like all these 582 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,639 different things, but no one actually really suffers, is willing to suffer for 583 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,960 it. Bud Light has been suffering for it a great deal. But don't 584 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,519 you don't you think they wish they could take that back and never have stepped 585 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,440 foot into it for a second, And he pointed out, well, that's 586 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,199 because it's an incomplete religion, not unlike, but not unlike a lot of 587 00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:06,679 other incomplete religions that aren't actually fully flushed out, that don't have God, 588 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,360 that don't have that actual way to for forgiveness and atonement, that don't have 589 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,639 Christ sacrifice them across at its center. For example, I can still be 590 00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:22,559 very very dangerous Marxism as an example of an incomplete religion. He gave Nazism 591 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:30,719 distinct from fascism as like an incomplete religion, something that's can seeks to satisfy 592 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,199 and explain the world and offer a cure, none of which is actually satisfying. 593 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:42,320 It's not really a cure. And but that was I thought that was 594 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,079 an interesting aspect to it, that it's still very dangerous, but it's not 595 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,760 it doesn't work, it's not fully fleshed out. And that's why things like 596 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,679 Barbie I wouldn't. I wouldn't say, oh, the battle is won, 597 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,360 time and time to hang up the hang up the boots. But it's the 598 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,440 American people don't want it. They want things, they want to have a 599 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,960 good time at the theater. Well, it's not just the American people. 600 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,480 I think as it relates to the American people, it's a matter of whether 601 00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:12,039 we can prevent all of our institutions from being sort of permanently bulldozed before the 602 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,760 sort of human part of us kicks in and has this instinct to preserve what 603 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,880 I think has allowed a system, the best system that is allowed for human 604 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,400 flourishing. I think we talked about this last week, but there was a 605 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,079 line and what was the reading? Where was it's about the Oh, it's 606 00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:34,280 it's from Russell Kirk saying that the conservative doesn't believe that you can ever make 607 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,519 government perfect that you can make the world perfect, you can make it more 608 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,639 tolerable. And when we realize how good of a system we have, you 609 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,159 know, hopefully our institutions aren't destroyed at that point. But ultimately, hedonism 610 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:50,320 and nihilism are not healthy or satisfying. They do not fulfill your soul. 611 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,320 They don't fill your soul in the long run, and they won't and it's 612 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,960 just a matter of will we recognize that before it's too late. And I 613 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,880 think that's the big question going forward. Yeah, it is. And the 614 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,480 way you can contribute to that is get up there, be a part of 615 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,800 your community. If you have the time and the ability, run for the 616 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,119 school board. One of the guys I was talking to down here is I 617 00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:14,320 think he's a firefighter and his wife just got sick of what was going on 618 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,440 in their cities as she ran in the school board and she wont there's nothing's 619 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,719 amazing, Laron complaint on a podcast about it. She could actually go out 620 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,760 there and vote and confront these people, and it's, um, it's good 621 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,400 to see some of the activism that's and then the people who are getting involved 622 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,679 in politics, and it's a I usually am pretty block built. I'm feeling 623 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,440 I'm feeling better this week. There you go. Well, you have no 624 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,480 business being on the women's national soccer team because they would not want to hear 625 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,360 this. Now, they wouldn't want to hear it. But I don't think 626 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,320 I don't Maybe I could qualify. Did you see that video, the one 627 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,360 viral of the US women's national team listening to a boys high school team the 628 00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:00,800 high school team. Yes, yes, it's good. Qualify. I don't 629 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,800 know that you could even play high school boy soccer. Absolutely not. I 630 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,000 even I was a good football player, but even in rugby, the drawback 631 00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,760 is a rugby, there's part where you have to handle the ball that was 632 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:19,039 never quite by a strong point. I can't just hit people, that's right, 633 00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,119 That's right. I did well pay my attitude. Yeah, well basically, 634 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,239 Chris. I hope you enjoyed the rest of your time down there in 635 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,039 South Carolina. Thank you so much for filling us in a little bit on 636 00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,800 the fascinating conversations you've been happened down there. Thanks been great and thanks for 637 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,599 having me. Of course, you have been listening to another edition of The 638 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,960 Federalist for radio hour. I'm Emil and Joshinski, culture editor. Here at 639 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:52,519 The Federalist, we will be back soon. To the lovers of freedom and anxious today