Welcome to open Minds Radio of Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO
news authority, presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here's
your host, Alejandro Roja. Valejandro Rojas. That sounds like a familiar name.
Oh that's me. Hey, it's me Alejandro rot your host of open
Minds Radio. And we have the most spectacular show today. It's absolutely amazing.
This guy is named Antonio who nes and you may know him from Open
Minds magazine and from the open Minds website because he writes these incredible stories about
UFOs, and we're going to be talking about some of his most recent ones,
including UFO siting by an ex president of Mexico. It's a really neat
story because I mean he he was not shy. I forget you know,
Antonio all tell us the details, but he was like, you know,
he'd be in meetings and if people talked about UFOs, he'd be like,
oh, yeah, I saw a UFOs, so that's kind of cool.
But like a Nobel Price piece, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who also wrote
about UFOs. And then who is the other one? Oh twenty twelve in
the Mexico thing. Jason and I have talked about that quite a bit,
but Antonio also did some research on some of that, so we'll talk about
that. So there is a lot. He's also just got back actually from
a couple of conferences on the East Coast too. He also used to wrestle
dinosaurs. He's that old wrestle dinosaurs. So we'll ask him what his favorite
dinosaur to wrestle might have been. I'm gonna guess it would be I have
no idea. Actually it's a good question for it, bronnosaurs. He grab
its neck and say, cutey oh, I just wrestled Lebronuswurst, even though
Lebronuswurst didn't know. No, he's not that old. He is up there,
but that's kind of me. And that was Jason in the Peanut gallery
there, and that wasn't me. So if some of you are like,
hey, man, don't make fun of Mintune, you that was Jason,
I probably accept that blame. I love to give him a hard time.
Yeah, So we have a great show today. We're going to be talking
about all that fun stuff. And I'm actually in the studio again because I
told you that we had this great plan about doing some more remote stuff and
that worked beautifully, didn't it not, So of course we uh, but
we're able to recover that great interview last week that Peter Robbins had where he
talked about Bud Hopkins. And if you were one of the people who listened
live and you know it was kind of choppy or something, go hook up
to your iTunes again and it'll upload the new podcast where you'll be able to
see the interview. Hear the interview with Peter and it sounds great. So
in case you're one of those people, I think most of you podcast later
on, so most of you heard the one that we already edited and sounded
pretty all right. So that is the show today. I'm very excited.
But guess what comes up first? The news? UFO News because on Openminds
dot tv you always have the latest news, also on tweeting that on UFO
Daily News at UFO Daily News on Twitter if you want to Twitter news feed.
But we bring this character in called Jason McClellan, and he comes in
and tells us all about the news and we have fun talking about the latest
and the greatest. So we've got him here with us right now. You
heard him making fun of Antonio. Jason McClellan, how are you. I'm
great, sir, Yes, that isn't. One of my many jobs is
peanut gallery. I do f on on that before the news comes in.
But this is their Open Minds Newsbury for Monday, November fourteenth, two thousand
eleven. An aircraft carrier size asteroid known as Asteroid two thousand and five YU
fifty five, recently passed between the Moon and Earth, making its closest path
pass to our planet in two hundred years. According to NASA. Strange structures
were detected on the large asteroid as it passed Earth at an impressive thirty thousand
miles per hour. According to the BBC, two radio telescopes, the Goldstone
Observatory in California and the ODII Odisibi Arecibo Observatory in Fleteliko, Aricibo. Adisibo
Aersibo American But it's in yeah, but you can't see it right anyway?
So are you telling me? As a new resident of Arizona? You say,
Coca Grand. Now what do you say? Then? Casa Grand?
There you go anyway, These two observatories, these two radio telescopes, recorded
radio echoes off the asteroid quote to understand better what it is made of and
how it is shaped. Scientists at the Goldstone Observatory assembled a short video of
the asteroid using images generated from data acquired with the two hundred and thirty foot
wide Deep Space Network antenna on November seven, twenty eleven, between eleven twenty
four am and one thirty five pm. The images used to create this video
are reportedly the highest resolution images ever made by radar of a near Earth object.
And while that sounds impressed of Alejandro, I was under impressed by these
images. I know I should be merely impressed, but it's very grainy and
hard to make out anything. However, NASA reports that the principal investigator for
Asteroid two thousand and five y fifty five observations, radar astronomer Lance Benner of
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, stated about the video, quote,
the animation reveals a number of puzzling structures on the surface that we don't
yet understand. He further stated, quote, to date, we've seen less
than one half of the surface, so we expect more surprises. That sounds
like a becoming more typical response of NASA to try to hype things up.
Yeah, exactly, marketing exactly. So are these structures evidence of an extraterrestrial
civilization? Some think so, while others think the usage of the term structures
in this instance simply refers to anomalies on the asteroid's surface. In either case,
these structures have scientists puzzled and their identity is unknown. Interesting, It
is interesting, And I wonder how intentional the usage of the term structure actually
was. And maybe a year ago I might have not even thought twice about
it. I would just say they're just talking about something weird on the surface.
It could be a mountain or something, but they don't know what it
did. However, we've seen a lot, you know, on multiple occasions
this year, we've seen NASA really playing with words, a lot intentional planet
words to create a buzz, because what else. Let's think of what words
you would use. Let's say you or we lived on the Moon and we
took pictures of just because I was there fairly recently, Arches National Park or
Monument Valley, and you would see some weird geological structures, So that might
be the term you'd use where would you use mid some some strange formations geological
formations with us. But I think you're totally right because we know, like
they did recently, not too long ago, they made the big deal about
the extraterrestrial life and it was total be it that had nothing to do with
talking about the organisms that could live in an arsenic heavy environment. And the
press release they said out and they bothered to send out a press release,
and the press release was very vague and simply stated that they were going to
make an announcement they would impact the search for extraterrestrial light. And it was
a marketing play and it worked. I think you're probably they're doing this more
and more. They're they're really playing the game. They they really want to
get people interested in space again, and this is the angle they're taking.
They know that people are interested in extraterrestrial life, so they really hype this
up. And the recent discovery of the the planet they're called Tattooin that has
the two moons, they really hype that one up, playing with Star Wars,
and they had somebody from Industrial Light and Magic on that to discuss the
announcement of that. So NASA's played a lot of games with their their pr
now, and I guess it's working for them. They're definitely getting the headlines
with it. Well on you know, talk about the phrasing of that,
the usage of the word structure. We have more strange structures today, gives
Moto reporter. My microphone keeps clicking. Yeah, that's good, and I
apologize to our listeners. I know it's annoying, but it's also annoying to
Alejandro and myself because it's very loud in our ears. But his Moto reporter
Jesustias published a story on Saturday, November thirteenth about multiple mysterious formations in the
Chinese desert. The strange surface features and mysterious structures are visible using Google Maps.
The first oddity pointed out by Ideas is a series of wide white lines.
This formation reportedly covers an area approximately one mile long by more than three
thousand feet wide. Diaz mentions that the quote tracks are perfectly executed and they
seem to be designed to be seen from orbit. End quote. He goes
on to speculate, quote, perhaps it's some kind of targeting or caliber in
grid for Chinese spy satellites. Maybe it's a QR code for aliens. Nobody
really knows. Another similar pattern of lines is located approximately twenty miles west of
the first pattern. In Aljnda these lines that he mentions in the article,
these are just a couple of the strange formations that appear with a relatively close
area in China. There are many more that appear to be perhaps coded signals,
coded patterns that viewed from space could translate to something. Have you tried
to scan them with your iPhone and the little ap I haven't because that a
app is specifically geared to QR code. These don't appear to be QR code.
You never know. It might say China rules. Give it a try.
But in some of these patterns Aljander, the interesting thing is when you
zoom in, you can see that there are like vehicles that are blown up,
like scorched vehicles and things like that. So it could indicate that,
you know, some sort of space based weaponry testing is taking place there.
In these these targets are not necessarily space based. It could be just artillery
or other type of missile testing and stuff like that. It certainly could be
and you know that this this the vehicles there and the and the indication of
of scorching, of things being blown up. That's that's interesting. And then
there's also one feature that looks like it it could be perhaps an airfield,
a couple of runways or something. But one of the things that could be
a runway, it's really illuminated. It's very, very vividly blue and very
you can see it from space very clearly, and you know a lot of
times that that indicates that you're looking at water. Water looks really weird for
from above, but when you really zoom in on it, it appears that
you can see segments of perhaps some material that makes up this runway. It's
like, you know, a long tile or something, but on a much
larger scale. So who knows. I mean, you can't speculate that it
could be a runway that's made to be extremely visible from the air, which
could lead you to then say, is it for UFOs for spacecraft to be
able to easily identify it coming from the sky. Who knows? That's a
stretch. I mean, that's just pure speculation. However, at the top
of one of these runways, there's this big square on the ground. It's
the same color of the runway it seems to be attached to this runway.
If it is runway and there are lots of holes, not really holes,
but circular areas, it appear to have been blasted with like a laser or
some sort of explosion happened there. See tons of these holes, and some
of them do show signs of what could be scorching or where something is blown
up, and they're just littered all over the place. So if this is
a runway of some sort, it is they have terrible pilots there who are
crashing all the time, or something is being blown up there. Well,
if you go look at Kirtland Air Force Base in the Monzanito Monzano Mountains,
you'll see all kinds of weird stuff that we have their secret projects, and
they look so strange because they do stuff like they do some laser testing even
if white sand. Wherever they blow up bombs. They also have strange shaped
or two for tracking so they know how long, how far the bombs went
and stuff. But it's hard to say with some of this stuff. Like
that's one of my favorite things to do is just go over by Kurland Air
Force Space out into the mountains and you look at all of the weird stuff
that they have there, and how strange it is, Like the laser testing
lab they have out there is circular. It's really weird. They have this
giant wooden structure and you can't tell what it is from from a satellite image.
And it's for testing radiation on planes, where they'll have a plane there
and then there's radiation and there's lots of popped bomb areas, so who knows
what the heck they could be testing out there. But yeah, all of
the testing facilities and the proving grounds usually have some really cool stuff to look
at from Yeah, from space, well, everything looks so bizarre from space,
you know, and then zooming down on it that this is a view
that we're not used to seeing. But in those patterns that you were talking
about at first, it's funny because they look like modern art or something,
well not modern seventies, but they look like seventies artwork or something, right.
I mean, when you fly in an airplane now and you look out
the window, you know, you do see a lot of lines and things
that look weird from the from the air, you know, what is that
that reminds me of a harrowing story? A harrowing story. Yeah, well
you can't tease, you must share. Yeah, I wanted to share this
with the listeners anyway because I think I almost died. Yes, you need
to share this story. So I'm landing in Phoenix and it's I'm coming from
Grand Junction and it's a propeller plane, one of the bigger ones where it
sets you know, four across, but it's a propeller plane. We're coming
in for a landing, and all of a sudden, the plane takes a
hard, hard left where we kept turning and turning and turning it and I
thought we were going to flip all the way upside down. I mean,
we kept going and then finally he flipped hard right where we just went the
opposite direction before centering out and then coming in for the landing. But it
was like it was over the city where this happened, because when he leveled
out, then you could start to see the Salt River, and you know,
we flew over right over this building right here, so I could see
the building and the ASSU Stadium. Then I knew we were like gonna land.
But it was the freakiest thing I've done a lot of flying in a
lot of traveling. I used to travel for work. I've never had anything
like that happen. So did another airplane almost hit you? We don't know.
We asked the stewardess and she wouldn't tell us. She said, I
don't know, she said, but that's what she suggested. She said,
we might have needed to avoid another plane. But I don't know what the
protocol is. Maybe she's not supposed to go ask because it didn't appear like
she did. But one of the pilots when they opened the door, you
could see he was pretty blustered and freaked out. So I'm hoping somehow maybe
I can give him a call and find out what happened. But I'm glad
you mentioned an airplane chair. I'm glad you remember to tell that story.
That's pretty freaky, but yeah, I'm glad you made it back here,
made it all right. And then my poor dog, it was the first
time she'd blown it because I had her with me, and yeah, she's
not gonna want to fly again. She was pretty that's a bad first experience.
Yeah, jeez, well, all hunter, here's a story that I
definitely want to squeeze in here. So our good friendly Spiegel of the Huffington
Post reported that NBC cameraman Ardie Willis contacted him after seeing the buzz and confusion
created by the New Orleans UFO video. If you were familiar with that video
that made lots of headlines, was a video that was shot during an NFL
football game and outside the stadium. When NBC returned from a commercial, they
showed this footage and they were at least three lights that zipped behind a cathedral,
and so that got people buzzing about UFOs in this video. And we
talked about this a little last week, and while most of our conversation with
garbled, I hope some people heard us talking about it. Yeah, but
you know, when we looked at the video, we could tell that it
was a time WAPs video. And that's something that a lot of people writing
about this. When you looked at it about this video, I'll say we
that was a good call. It was definitely a time lapse video. And
when you know you have a time lost video, then's less mysterious. Because
the thing that was super weird about this video is these objects zipping by through
this guy very fast and going framed by friend. You could see they were
flying behind the cathedral, which meant they weren't bugs close to the screen or
close to the lens. So just just with that alone, you think,
wow, we've got these big objects zipping through this guy. That's pretty freaky.
But then with the timeline video, you know that the objects were moving
considerably slower in real time. So with that, the cameraman, Ardie Willis,
was actually the photographer who shot the footage that we see in that video,
and he contacted List Bigel at the Huffington Post because he saw all this
buzz and people being confused about the video. So he contacted Lee to clear
up the confusion. And he said, if you watch Sunday Night Football on
a regular basis, you will recognize my time time laps videos. Throughout the
telecast, he pretty much goes around to I believe it's Sunday Night Football,
and every Sunday Night Football he takes his camera rig and sets up and does
these shots for the NFL for NBC. And it's very common in sports.
You watch sports, you'll you'll notice as you pay attention when they come back,
and it gives it sort of a cinematic effect. It's it's a very
very showy to do these time lapse things when they come back from commercials,
And it was good of you to notice that it was time lapse because usually
with time lapse they're showing the weather. The sunsets come in, right,
and the clouds come in even during the games, to show you what a
night, how nice it's been, or the clouds coming in during the games.
Yeah, but it was just night. So that's I think what it
was hard to tell it was time laps because you usually why would you time
lapse night? Well, and with his particular setup and the way he does
it, it is so cool and and different because of the process he does.
If you watch the video, it's kind of confusing because you see this
dolly shot where the camera's actually moving as the time loss is taking place.
And so even our producer here, Tom Ruffin, when we watch the video
together, Wow, I wonder how he did that. It had to be
a pretty elaborate setup. And so what this photographer Ardie willis totally Spiegel is
that quote, I move and manipulate my nikon still the SLR camera with a
computer controlled panhead and dolly. This technique makes my time loops of video motion
seem more like real time motion, when in fact they are a series of
still images played back very quickly. And he even provided Lee with a video
showing his setup and how it works. It's very cool. He's got this
still camera on a dolly on this track and it moves, and it's controlled
completely by computer. And that thirty seconds of footage that we see in that
video actually took him more than an hour to complete. Wow. So addressing
the UFO is captured in his video while it's told the Huffington Post quote,
the flying rods that are seen are actually single airplanes that happen to fly through
the screen during each long shutter exposure. Because of the precise, repetitive nature
of my camera support rig, one plane pass seems eerily like a UFO streaking
through the sky. So as he was shooting his footage, he was watching
the airplanes come in for a landing, so he knew without a doubt that
they were airplanes, commercial airlines coming in for a landing at the nearby airport.
And so unfortunately, you know, this new information should put to rest
any question about what the mysterious lights were. But there are sure to be
those who refuse to accept the airplane explanation. Yeah, that was funny because
when Lee Bard did me that story, he wrote something like, unfortunately some
people might get magic. I'm showing what this really is. But you know,
just when you're searching for the truth, you got to share the truth.
I agree with him one hundred percent there. And it was really cool
of the photographer to get a hold of him, It really was. And
he providedly with the original footage he shot too, so it didn't have the
network's advertisements popping up, so you could see the whole video straight through.
So that paired with the video of how his camera rig operates, you know,
gave me the full story and wanted to really help people understand what they
were saying. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, it was great, and
it was great for Lee Bigel to let us know about that story as well.
And Alejandro, I want to touch on one more story. The story
is a little old, but we didn't get a chance to get to it
last week. And I thought this one was kind of fun. But three
Scottish kids were shocked when they saw a UFO on October twelfth. The three
boys were near Bridge and Court in Dingwall, Scotland, at approximately seven thirty
pm that Wednesday night when they noticed a UFO above the trees that was quote
quite big in size, but it wasn't going very fast. Cod Kimsey,
one of the boys who witnessed the UFO, told the Rothshire Journal quote,
we were sitting down on the curb when we heard this loud, humming noise.
We looked up and saw the UFO just above the trees. I thought
it was a UFO right away. It was shaped like one and had colored
lights turning round and round underneath it. We didn't see anyone in it,
but the lower part of it was a silver color. You could tell that
because the lights were reflecting on it. Cody also claims that he, his
brother Kielan, and a friend also saw black helicopters in the sky at the
same time they saw the UFO. Cody's described hearing another UFO in the area,
but he never saw that one. The boys say they were frightened by
the mysterious object and treed it might land, so they quickly returned home.
According to the Rosshire Journal, A Northern Constabulary spokesman in dan Wall said policehead
quote received no report of unexplained activity at that time. The quoting and the
other kids know what they saw that night, and and created a sketch of
the UFO to show his parents. It's cool, little like typical kid drawing
of a UFO and crayon, and but they were genuinely frightened when they saw
this thing in the sky and they ran home. Yeah. Crazy, Yeah,
pretty cool, Yeah, very cool. You know what, before you're
done, though, I wanted to ask about a couple other stories. I
don't think we were able to because we we had to. I don't think
we were able to get to before that are really interesting. I'm not prepared.
Why say no, Yeah, you can do it. Go ahead.
You're very you're always prepared to Robin Leech one, I don't know anything about
I'm I'm a poor fellow, so I don't know anything about that story you
were telling me. I'm not rich nor famous. Do you want to get
to that one? Yeah, just if you could share, because that was
kind of a cool story, if you could share with the listeners. Absolutely
so, Yeah, I'm prepared for that one, Lejandro. Thanks Buddy Well.
Robin Leach, the show business journalist who was well known for his eleven
year TV series Lifestyles of the rich and famous is fast by mysterious phenomena,
including UFOs. As he explained to the Huffington Post, it's something that's interested
me from way back when in England as a newspaper reporter. Again journalist Lee
Spiegel recently interviewed Leach about his interest in UFOs. Spiegel revealed that he and
Leech are actually good friends, and the two even went ufo hunting together in
Maine back in the seventies. When asked if he had talked to many celebrities
about UFOs, Leech explained that he hadn't really ever brought up this subject with
any celebrities for fear of being considered quote weird and mad. But he continued,
quote, but we do know that over the years, everybody from presidents
of the United States to major dignitaries around the world, and certainly some of
our NASA space boys, they have claimed to have seen and photographed unexplained flying
objects or phenomena. Commenting on his friendship with Spiegel, Leech paid Spiegel the
tremendous compliment of calling him the leading expert in America on unexplained phenomena. Wow,
cool, pretty big stuff. I'm gonna try Robert mich Loy storys of
the rich and famous. I'm glad I was out there. I wasn't gonna
do it, but but you frequently try to pull out your nick Pope.
So yeah, well that that's pretty cool. I think it's cool. What's
cool is least story because he has the like the video of him talking with
Robin Leech and it's just kind of in the conference room. Yeah, so
it's kind of a cool story. It's kind of cool to see that.
Yeah, old buddies talking about their old UFO hunting days. Yeah, and
it's cool to see so many celebrities coming out and talking about UFOs and and
stuff. And I wrote a story recently on the celebrities tweeting UFOs. Although
I think, you know, I wrote Billy Ray, Ciris, Demi Lovado,
and Posh Spice, what's your real name? It's blush, Buzz,
It's Beckham, Victoria Beckham correct all tweeting UFO sidings. Although I think that
Victoria Beckham and Billy Ray were kidding. But I think that Demi Levado doesn't
seem like she was. Her and her friends seemed to really see something around.
There was a video when they seem like, you know, they're giggling
little girls, how having fun? But well I think they were giggling because
the reporter seemed to really be hounding them. He seems kind of like a
creepy dude. Yeah, so that was but that was kind of real.
But it's kind of neat. We've had other celebrities recently where there's no bones
about it, right, you know, I saw UFO and they're very being,
very clear. So that's why I really liked that story. Well,
it was hbody used to watch him. I certainly did good old eighties.
But in the today's episode of The Open Minds Update with Maureen Elsbery, she
mentioned that some of that Jimmy Kimmel recently commented on UFOs on his show.
Yeah, that's right, I forgot about that. He wanted Obama, he
said it, if you were elected president, the first thing he would do
is march into the White House and demand to see everything about UFO. Yeah,
that's funny. Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot again,
the Royal Society. Sorry, I've got nothing near that. That's a great
story, but I mean we I don't think we talked about it. We
didn't talk about it, and that's interesting. The Royal Society sort of followed
suit with the FBI and CIA and CIA and the UK, Yeah, the
Ministry of Defense. There you go with putting their their journal archives online free
free access. Typically their content has been paid access only, and unfortunately that
still applies for newer publications, but stuff where the copyright has expired, so
things that are seventy years or older are now available free of charge, so
you can go back and read about Ben Franklin flying his kite and things way
back. I mean, all of our greatest it's pretty much I've been members
of the Royal Society. So there are some fascinating really ancient documents there that
you can read that were published in one of the Royal Society's journals. But
the Royal Society historically has very openly published articles about extraterrestrial life, and that's
that's been more so recently in recent times with Ted Peters about religion and the
effects extraterrestrial life has on religion. We had him on the show. He
is great and Paul Davies has has been a key presenter at the Royal Society
College that they've done astrobiological conferences lately. I know Nick Pope was really excited.
And Nick Pope, who went to him, said that the scientists were
more open, and he said he didn't want to name names, but there
were scientists open behind the scenes, you know, during lunch, but they
didn't want to talk about this stuff publicly, right, And I think you
talked about that on this show. Yeah. And the Royal Society, for
people who don't know, a very old and prestigious scientific organization in the United
Kingdom. Absolutely no more older than Hawking is a member, and several.
I wonder if more prestigious than the Ministry of Magic, or if the Ministry
of Magic is incorporated with the Royal Society. I'm sure it's a branch,
Yeah, a secret branch, secret branch, secret hidden branch. Well,
awesome, those are great stories that I wanted to touch you. Well,
I'm glad you got those out, Alohama, I'm glad I could contribute.
Yeah, all right, Well, remember you can check out all these stories
and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFL related news. I
am Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you have been briefed,
Alejandro. Thank you for telling us all about your briefs. Jason,
My briefs are everyone's briefs. That's great, all right, Jason is airing
his briefs in public. But I want to to touch on those stories because
I think those are big, great stories in euphology, and they're real news.
I mean, this is the real news. I think this is his
stuff in UFO research that we need to pay attention to, and that garners
more attention because they're also something that helps with the mainstream, you know,
hopefully this encourages mainstream people and mainstream scientists to get more involved with this field.
When you have prestigious groups such as the Royal Society looking into this,
when you have Robin Leitch of The Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous talking about
UFOs, you know, more celebrities and stuff like that, more people feel
more willing to come forward. So I love these stories. I think they're
really exciting. And thank you Jason for sharing and like Jason and Lise Biegel
for his great work. Like Jason said, if you go to open mind
stat TV you will see more about all of this. What else you're gonna
see on open mind stat TV are some stories by this character. Her name
Antonio, who Nay is and this guy, you know, it comes out
a little bit once in a while, but he's really got quite the sense
of humor as well. He's a he's a funny guy. So when you
hear Jason Teaz and Kim, you know, we joke around a lot at
the office. So but you might have heard some little copying in the background,
and that's Antonio getting his voice ready. All right, Hello Antonio,
Hello Kung. How you doing. I'm doing pretty good. Good, good
to see you again. Good to have you on the show again. Yeah,
there we go. All right, Well, we've got a lot to
talk about, and maybe to start off, maybe we'll go kind of chronological
in that the latest story that you wrote and for the Web at least,
then the latest one you wrote for the Web was the interview with the Nobel
Prize winner Gabriel Garcia Marquez, and so maybe tell us about him. Well,
you know, he's probably among the five or something better known writers in
the twentieth century, extremely well known writer. He's originally from Colombia and his
best known novel is One hundred Years of Solitude, which is a fantastic novel.
That's part of what they call the magical realism. So even in the
novel itself, it has like a lot of kind of paranormal phenomena and things
like that. But this is really an old interview that was done by a
Spanish encyclopedia of UFOs and space in the late sixties. I believe this well.
It came in installments and he was sole in newsstands each each week,
you know, there would be a separate installment. It was about UFOs and
the race for space. That was the subject. The encyclopedia was called Cyclopic,
and of course on our website we have the cover of that particular issue
and we all also have the original Spanish interview with him. So they interviewed
a lot. In this particular issue. They had interviews with the number of
people, most of whom are totally forgotten now. I guess. There were
mostly figures, cultural figures in Spain, Samuel writers, filmmakers, actors,
as well as even regular people. And like I said, I couldn't even
recognize most of the names. This is back in nineteen sixty nine. But
Garcia Marcus of course was already famous at that time because already the one Hundred
Years of Solitude was published I believe around sixty seven, maybe or sixty six,
and it became an instant bestseller, but it wasn't the monumental figure that
he later became, you know, because he wrote many other famous novels,
and of course, in nineteen eighty two he won the Nobel Prize in Literature.
So basically he's and he won the Nobel Price for that book. But
yeah, and for other books as well, but particularly for that book.
And basically in this interview, uh, it's a one page interview and uh,
they ask him, well, do you believe in UFOs? And he
says yes. I mean, in fact, he has a funny quote and
I don't have it in front of me, but he says that the kind
of the absurd thing would be not to believe in UFOs, and uh,
and then he also makes a couple of other interesting statements. He said,
they've seen, they've been seen since the nights of the Bible, so,
in other words, is he's into ancient aliens. And then he talks.
He also makes a critique of science, modern science, saying that basically science
is becoming too dogmatic and too close minded, and that it should be more
visionary, like in the days of alchemy. And that's basically the basically the
gist of the of the interview. Yeah it got I noticed that. Funny
enough. I bought that issue back in nineteen I think it was either eighty
three or eighty four. I was twice in Buenos Aires, and I remember
going to an all the where they were selling you know, books, use
bookstores, and Buenos Aire's as a city. I bought it like at two
am, where stores are still open and there's a lot of activity, night
life activity. And I saw this couple of issues which I wasn't familiar with,
and I bought them. So I've had I read it all the way
back, but then I forgot about it. And then what happened is the
blogger, when you bought it, did you know that it had that story
in it? Well, I probably browsed and you know, yeah, and
that's why I bought it. And I bought another issue that contained some UFO
cases in Argentina and elsewhere with nice illustrations and so on. Then what happened
I kind of forgotten it was it was buried in my files. And then
what happened is the blogger with LPMPO. Lpmple is the most famous Columbian newspaper
published it on the web maybe about a year ago or so, and then
a lot of people in the Latin they had never been translated in English,
by the way, so thanks to open minds, we put it in English
for the first time. But a lot of Spanish blogs in Latin America did
catch up, and I guess initially they thought it was it was a new
interview, but then eventually some researchers realized that it was an old one.
So we have their the complete story in English and also the original in Spanish
for anybody to see. Yeah, that's great. I mean it's it's not
new, but it is new to especially the English speaking world, because they
haven't been able to He never read it, and I don't know if have
you heard. I don't know if people have even known that he had spoken
about U of US. Probably not except maybe some old time researchers who have
good collections or something like that. But most that's why he caught up on
the web on the Spanish words, because they thought, hey, I see
everyboy, you know Americas, even if you haven't read his books, you
know you've heard the name. He was also an ambassador of Columbia thing to
UNESCO. It's a really prominent figure. Now it's pretty old, but he's
still active. And he used to write newspaper columns. Well, he was
originally a journalist in the fifties. And actually I remember I used to read
some of his newspaper columns because they would be published in many Latin American newspapers,
and I remember that not on UFOs, but he did touch upon paranormal
or fortan subjects. I remember one particular column he wrote about ghost hitchhikers.
Oh really, yeah, which I saved and somewhere in my files, but
you know, I'll have to find. It's definitely an open mind, yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, definitely, And if you read your books,
you'll understand why. Because his books, even though they also have a lot
of social issues and historical issues about Latin America and you know, on economic
exploitation and things like that, but they are immersed in a sort of fantastic
environment and they do have some paranormal phenomena too. It's interesting because a lot
of times these fiction writers who are great, you know, literary figures,
people assume that everything they're writing is metaphorical, right, but when you look
into it, a lot of times it's both. It's metaphor, but even
when they're using a paranormal phenomena, it's because it's something they're open to as
well. Obviously, anything that a writer writes, even if it's fiction,
you know, it's based on something some experience, doesn't have to be necessarily
something that he really lived by, the something he'd studied or researched or read
about it, or there's some reason right why he's putting it in the work
of fiction. But the other great thing about the story is that it's great
to bring up, you know, to people who think that, oh,
only crazy people or crap, what's you know believe in UFOs? Well,
this is a Nobel Prize winner in literature, one of the most prominent writers
in the twentieth century, you know, and not just being he's not even
being adigous saying well maybe you hoot say if he says, and he also
says that he believes there at the restaural you know, he says it just
upfront. And the other thing that I love about finding stuff like this is
that just like I didn't think we had you on before, and we've talked
about or I know on Coast to coast we talked about it, and we
wrote extensively on the files that came out with the UK. Some of them
knew, some of them not, but just showing some of the back and
forth between Lord hill Nor and Ralph Knows. And do you find from these
people who are very articulate, You find some great statements, right, you
know, like you said with Marquette talking about how it's kind of crazy not
to believe in this stuff, right, yeah? And uh, well,
and I don't know if you disgusted with Jason in the news section because I
only caught up on half of it. But our buddy the well, I
wish it was our real buddy, but kind of our buddy, the Prince
Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh. He's back on the news. Oh really
you talked about it with the Yeah. What happened is a new biography was
published and it's about his early life, his early years. You know,
I get up to the point early in his marriage with Queen Elizabeth, and
there it is writing the introduction, his obsession practically with UFOs. Really,
yes, how they used to invite people, witnesses, and of course,
as you remember I wrote extensively about it about the time of the royal wedding,
right we had his series on our Weddit Is this an official authorized biography?
I don't know if it's authorized, but it's a real book by a
famous author and so on. And not that I've ever known him to be
shy about him, No, and he's always been quite actually quite a front.
And they mentioned stuff that of course we knew. I mean certainly I
knew, but probably a revelation to a lot of people that read the book
that he was a subscriber to Client Sausage Review, the famous British magazine,
that they even had witnesses come to Buckingham Palace to talk about UFOs, and
then that he had all these generals, including to Peter Hurstley, who was
his equery. Equery is an old term in British royalty. Basically it used
to be very important. It's like an aid. But equery comes from from
equestrian, right from horses. It was the guy in charge of the horses
in the time of the Kings, you know, the Middle Ages, so
there's an extremely important position because horses were transportation. Yeah, and in the
title remain you know, given that the Royal peace tradition. So this this
one particular general who's later general in the Royal Air Force. He even claims,
and this was published and well in his own memoirs, but also in
a book by Timothy Good that he met a guy in an apartment in London
that claimed that it was an extra terrestrial and this guy at one time had
the codes for the nuclear weapons in the UK. So did they verify the
codes were real? He probably wouldn't. Actually the book they quoted some some
official, unnamed officials saying or if only people had known that the guy that
had the codes was uh, was seeing little green men. But of course
the nineties, so was not a little green men. You know, these
are the kinds of ridicule statements. You know. It was just discussed in
fact and the Nick Pope, you know, admitted that the mod the ministrip
defense as one way to minimize the importance of UFOs early. Yeah, little
yes, to call you belittle the right to call it, to call it
when it's is UFO spotters and and things like that. Little green men,
and there's a standard techniques, but it's just to say this is not so
important. However, when you read the files you realize that it is important.
Yeah, well cool, We've got a couple other great stories to get
to you. But before we talk about that, I wanted to get into
one, at least before we went back, and we got into a couple.
But the couple of conferences that you went to just a few weeks ago,
right, wasn't it you? No, it's just one Okay, Well,
well I well, yeah, I did go to another one, but
that was although I guess it's been since we've done the radio show. That
one was an interesting one. That was a few months ago. That was
the one in San Marino. Yeah, we talked about that one, but
yeah, I wanted to talk about Yeah, this one was a smaller one.
It's the Mysteries of Space and Sky uh And it was created by a
professor at a college there in Rondo, Maryland. But it's connected now with
Mufon and my friends, you know, Rob and Suswattek. They're the co
sponsors. And but it's still Songwille connected to the college, although right now
it's not at the college but at at the hotel. And you still call
that professor and some of the students came, some of his students came,
and it was a one day affair. It was just a couple of weeks
ago. Do you know what it teaches? I get science, but I'm
not sure, but I guess it. I guess it is science. So,
you know, he and he's been pursuing this, but the college initially
they did go along, but they were reluctant. So finally they decided they
were always putting too many obstacles, so finally they decided to just do it
done the wrong way, you know. And it was one day affair,
was not too big, but it was a very nice conference. And they
had you know, a few of the local people from move On and so
on in the Washington, Decei, Virginia and Maryland area. And the best
known speaker, you know, I mean besides Open Mindes was George Snapp,
of course, you know, the Kreless TV reporters, and we've done his
show in Coast to Coast many times, and he of course talked about the
ranch you know in Utah, can Walker Ranch, and it was quite quite
fascinating. Now you did you talk about Marquez there? I don't believe I
did, because usually I know you like to cover a few stuffs. I
did talk about a recent story that it was basically the same lecture that I
it's sort of my official lecture, you know, the one I did for
the Congress the International Prison Spectacles who followed in the twenty first century, where
I discussed the South American agencies, which I wrote extensively about in both in
the web and in the magazine. And a lot of the other stories I
covered in the magazine, the Rockefeller Initiative, the Vatican in the United Nations,
a little bit about the French space program, ufull Desk, and a
couple of other things. But I did add one slide because I thought this
was a significant story which somehow didn't catch as much attention as I would have
hoped, which was the ciding that I discovered by Luisa Terria, the former
president of Mexico. Right that perfect segway into that going south of the border,
let's head south and talk about this side, because you know what's funny,
It's just like we're talking with Jason a minute ago and talking about these
stories we're talking about now. I mean, these are the stories that should
be getting a lot of attention by the pressure talking about credible people, incredible
circumstances. You know, it's really great stuff, but it really doesn't gain
much ground, no, because there's so much sensationalism and yeah, vocal stories,
they're no floating around. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to
make fun of I don't want to. I don't like, as people know
on the show, I don't like to make fun of people or anything.
But you know, I'll mention at least a story going around that just is
so wild and out there. And Mars, yeah you mention, you know,
Obama two people claiming that they spotted Obama on Mars. I know,
and I mean, come on, and it's just the kind of story that
really kills the credibility of will follows you. You know, I know it's
a minority, but sometimes they're vocal, and they're all over the web.
But we have these you know, you don't even need to We have all
of these other great stories that I wish God sometimes don't get the level of
attention that something like this Obama Mars story gets. But you know, let's
talk about the president of Mexico and this story. Yeah, well this,
of course Chia was with the Pira you know, the what is called the
Revolutionary Institutional Party, basically the party that was created as a result of the
Mexican Revolution, which ruled Mexico all through out up to until Fox. We
sent the Fox with the elected once the elections became real, more democratic,
and finally they had a very still a very prominent party of course in Mexico,
and he was the president of Mexico in the most of the nineteen seventies.
I remember you liked this part of the story. The story came through
a prominent Mexican anthologist, very old now. He was the generation before Kinie
Ausan. His name is Pedro Ferreis, and he used to be a famous
broadcaster. Fact, he had been president of Mexico's National Association of Broadcasters at
one time, and he had written many books on UFOs. He was,
like I said, the main guy in Mexico in the seventies and eighties.
Then came in in the nineties and he still acted that he's very old now.
So he was telling a story that when It's Aria was president, they
used to have a breakfast I don't know, every six months or so with
all the broadcasters. It was an informal meeting. It was not on the
air, you know, it was just for the president to meet all the
broadcasters and I guess, you know, discuss, you know, what was
going on in politics and in the country and so on. So they had
this breakfast I think it was in nineteen seventy four, and fies was of
course there, and everybody knew that Ferriese was involved in UFOs because he had
been very vocal and had published books and done many radio programs and so on.
So at one point, the subject of UFOs come into the conversation,
and the other journalists are making light of the subject, you know, they're
like beginning to kind of make jokes, and then he looked like it was
going to go in that direction. And then the president says, I've seen
a UFO and then everybody like stops h saying is it kidding or what?
And then he just straightforward tells a story that he didn't get the date,
and I had to kind of investigate and put it together. As it turned
out, the sighting was in the nineteen sixties when he was not the president,
but he was the Minister of the Interior, which is the number two
job in Mexico. There is no vice president in Mexico, so the secretary
of government actually they call it in Mexico. So if something happens with the
president, then the secretary government becomes so it's the number two job. And
of course after that he became the president. So he was already an extremely
prominent politician. And he was at a home that he owned in Guernavaca,
and he was there with his wife and with a lady whose name right now
I forgot, but it's in our website story who was the founder, was
a prominent dancer, was the founder of the Mexico's national ballet. Name here
I got ya, Amalia Amalia Amalia Nandas. Yeah, we have a nice
picture of her dancing and everything. So they were there and then suddenly there
was a blackout in corner Laca. Everything went dark. And this is a
little bit reminiscent equally of that famous story that we discussed in the program to
the one in Argentina. Remember at that town in Argentina when people saw the
ufo near the dance, So the same kind of thing. There's a blackout
and then the witnesses in this case, the president, Amalia Nandez is white
as well as the neighbor see the cigar shaped object on the sky, and
they're there they describe it. So it was like an illuminated pen now once
I so I had to do a little bit of a research on the web
and also on my files to try to put together when was the date of
this occurrence, because from the article it appeared that it had happened only like
a couple of months before this breakfast. But as it turned out, the
only case that was the blackout in Querlaca, which a widespread utifol sighting was
I believe in nineteen sixty five. It's in the web article, and so
it had to be that. And this sighting not only was seen by the
Chevalria and Amaliornandez, but also by everybody that it was somebody in that city,
by the mayor, by the chief of the army in that in that
area, and by the governor of the state, among others, and they
all saw this during they also did yeah, because what happened is there were
two events going on. One was a dinner at at the Lions Club.
So when things went dark, I guess people went outside to see what's going
on, and there they saw it. And the other people. The governor
and some of the other officials were attending a special screening of the movie in
a downtown theater in Querlaca. Obviously, the blackout happens, the movie is
done, you know everything, they can't, you know, the projection stop.
So again they go out and they see this thing. And this was
reported in the press at the time, but not it's a reasciting that because
girl was in his house and he didn't tell anybody at the time, or
maybe he told French, but I mean he didn't. He didn't tell any
eternals or anything. So that story didn't go public until many years later,
thanks to Ferries. So a nice story came out. Was it a big
gill in Mexico? I don't think so. Ferrees mentioned it in one of
his books, but only in passing, doesn't give any description. And then
I discovered in the in the website, the official website of Mexico's Association of
Broadcasters. He has a blog there and he published it there. But I
didn't see that it got picked up by a lot of people either. I
founded by happenstance, as it usually happens. I was looking for something else
and I saw the link and I ended up in that story. Actually I
ended up in another website that had a mirror. You know, I had
published that story that only partially, so eventually I found it the actual official
story, which again the link is in our website for those who read Spanish,
and there is. But no, I don't think it got a lot
of attention, even even in Mexico. Is Eacheveria does he? Is he
still alive? I believe so. I mean as far as I could tell
him the web, he's obviously very old now, but yeah, I couldn't
see no obituary. He's still alive. Yeah, that would be neat to
see if you would talk about that again because ex presidents. Of course,
we have Grant Cameron and president w UFO dot com writing about the presidents.
We've written all about. Yeah, with the American president, American rec Carter
and Reagan, I mean at least they are on the record. Yeah,
it's interesting now have the Mexican president now one of them. Do you know
of any other Mexican presidents or not even South American presidents. Well, there
was a case with the President of Chile, Frey Fray, because there was
a free father also in the nineteen sixty was the famous president. So,
but this one is interesting because they didn't really notice the UFO. What happened
was that this was in the mid nineties and I don't recall it exact day,
but I have it in my fire and he was had gone to some
official duty in the south of Chile and I guess they were opening the sports
conflict, I think. So they were playing soccer and the president himself,
you know, when it was playing with the ball, and a lot of
people were taking pictures because I mean, when you get a chance to play
soccer with the president doesn't happen every day. So people were taking pictures of
the scene rather than looking at the sky when the pictures were developed, And
what's interesting is that it appeared in all the different pictures taken by different photographers,
so it was not a camera at thefact. That's interesting. And when
the pictures were developed, you see the president here playing and all that,
and sure enough above in the sky there's a UFO and so but he didn't
see it. But later in a famous TV program that was broadcast by the
Chilean National UFO broadcast, which was a very large production. Actually I worked
on that too. I arranged all the American interviews for them, the interview
President Fray, and he went on the record and he told the story and
he said, no, I didn't see it, but the pictures were taken
and he said, in the in the photos and the negatives I get those
who are not still not digital cameras were taken to the Presidential Palace and they
were looked by the by the photographic experts of the Presidential Palace. Wow.
And as far as we know, it was a UFO was not identified.
Wow. What did the object look like? It was not terribly detailed,
but it was. It was some kind of this I should publish on the
web there. Yeah, that's a great story. That's a great story.
Yeah, yeah, we will put it. I have I have several of
the pictures it made on the news and Chile. Eventually it was published in
various magazines and all that and the fact that it was and I have the
statement from from Frey in the interview that he did with Naos was a famous
TV broadcaster in Chile. So that's one, and there's others. But I
know that Koobishek, the famous president of Brazil, who was the founder of
Brazilia. He is the one that conceived idea of moving the capital to the
interior of Brazil because up to that point Brazil had always existed around the coast
and the rest was just forest. So he was a very important figure in
Brazilian history. I don't know that he had a UFO siding, but he's
the one, and this is well known, that released the Kreem Daddy Island
photographs. You know, the famous case which to this day there's controversy tody
to this day. Every so often someone comes and explains it as a hoax,
but obviously not convincingly enough because a year later someone else explains that the
folks again, or someone defends it or whatever. But it was taken by
this famous photographer. Barauna had on board the navy ship, the Brazilian navy
ship off the Trindadi Island that the ship was called the Almirante Saldana and when
it was seen by other witnesses. So even if the photos were a hoax,
because Barauna was a very skill photographer, this was the argument that he
could have hoaxed easily because he had the skills. But nevertheless, there was
a sighting. So the siding is still true, you know, even if
the photos were hoax. So at the time, I guess he gave the
negatives and everything to the navy, and the Brazilian Navy did a secret investigation.
They were not released to the public, and they gave the dosie to
the president and the president said, this is too important to keep secret.
I wish other presidents and unaware would follow this. And he rebuilt it to
the president and he made front page headlines. And so he played an important
role in rphology. But I don't know that he himself had a siding,
but he was definitely interested. And uh, and there are other cases like
that. Yeah, sure so. And if people go to the Google Trinidad
Island UFO, oh yeah, you'll you'll find it, and you'll probably if
you've been in this field or Peru's UFO photos like many of you have,
you probably recognize it. Oh you've anybody that's been in this field is one
of the most famous. And besides, so we published a long story,
remember because I discovered in a document by Barajuna himself that was not even known
in Brazil. What happened is he had written this two page statement and sent
it to my old body, you know, mentor Coleman Vonkedinsky in New York.
And there was even a drawing and everything and uh. And this was
in Portuguese and in this when I published it in our website, we translated
it, uh to English. But we also had the original document and it
kind of caused a frenzy in Brazil because here was an original document taken by
the written by the photographer that they had never seen. Yeah, so I
was contacted, I remember, like Jedi ed and they asked permission to we
shared and so on. And I guess the photographer was a character and there
is not a credible person. And I guess, although they say he possibly
used two spoons together. So it's a tough if it's okay, And there
these alleged confessions, but the confessions are always ambiguous, you know, so
who knows? So the debate, rage of debate goes on. Yeah,
interesting, great, you know, saying down south but moving back into Mexico
as we take our UFO travels around south of the border, is uh some
of you know. Jason and I again have talked about this in the last
few shows because it's been a lot of news. This documentary on twenty two
twelve, if you had done some investigation on that, and you also gave
essentially in a nutshell, how the twenty twelve phenomena right came to be.
Uh So, maybe let's talk about that first, the history of the twenty
twelve, well, really the history the twenty twelve first of all for those
who don't know, although I guess by now most people should know. But
the twenty twelve is the end of this cycle, right of the Mayan calendar,
which is the five thousand and two hundred or something five thousand and something
cycle, and it's the end of the last back to that Tom is one
hundred and forty four thousand days, I believe, So it ends, and
there's the one. Of course, there are a million interpretations of what this
means. And some people think it's the end of the world. Other people
think aliens are going to land, other people think that nothing's going to happen,
and there's absolutely no agreement there. But there's one agreement though. Everybody
agrees that the mathematical calculation is correct and that the calendar ends on late December
of twenty twelve, and that just a mathematical thing. What does it mean
that is something else? I would say that this hope enough man. Interesting
enough. It was not started in Mexico, but it was started by gringos.
He started in the United States. And now, of course the Mexicans
have gone along because you know, it's going to bring this especially lately.
Yeah, it's going to bring the income for them. So they're they're they're
definitely going along with it now. And in the article I wrote, I
quoted extensively from a speech by Philippe Calderon, the current President of Mexico,
about when he inaugurated the Mayan World Program. And this is a big program
to promote tourism basically and create infrastructure and everything you know in the Mayan Well,
it's called the Mayan Riviera Area, which includes Yugatan and other states in
Mexico, as well as what Temala on Duras and Belisa. But to go
back a little bit to the history of twenty twelve, I think that the
real pioneer of it was and he passed away, I believe earlier this year
or maybe last year, but recently. It was a nine called Jose Algueys.
You might have heard of him. He was a professor and he was
a man interested in consciousness raising and suddenly a very forward thinking type of person,
and he came up with a concept back in nineteen eighty eight called the
harmonic convergence, and this was at the time presented as the beginning of the
end, the beginning of the cycle that would culminate it in twenty twelve.
Now, basically our Gaius was a more agg metaphysical character in his opinion,
even though he was not opposed to the idea of alience. Actually, in
some of his writings he did talk about aliens as well, but mainly what
he was saying is that this is going to be a shift in consciousness for
mankind, which still a lot of New Age people believe in. Didn't that
have to deal with the coming of the Age of Aquarius, Wasn't that?
Well? It is somewhat related, but different because the Age of Aquarius is
based on the Western zodiac, so which is which we received from the Greeks,
which in turn the Greeks got it from the Babylonians and probably goes all
the way back to the Sumerians. But it is the Maya is a different
tradition unless you go with the ancient alien theory. You know, I thought
the harmonic CONVERGENCELF had to do it. Harmonic conversions is strictly with the mayacony,
so they don't have a song like the Aquarius one, no I really
want besides the age of Aquarius. It's only a change of era, you
know, whereas the mayacond there is the bigger thing. It's the end of
the whole cycle. It would be equivalent in the in the astrological tradition,
in the Western astrological tradition where they call the platonic year, and that's that
is the complete cycle of the of the twelve houses. Once once the twelve
houses have gone by, which is about twenty five thousand years, then bank
that's the big cycle, and the minor cycle is a change of era,
though it's still a big thing because they over two thousand years and then you
get this on this yeah is coming and it's also there's because of this phenomenon
of procession, you know, it's not an exact thing. It takes over
a period of like one hundred years, one hundred and fifty years for the
pernira to change into another. It's sort of a phasing in. So the
harmonic convergent, cormonic con convergence. What was that, Well, that was,
like I said, the beginning of the beginning of the cycle of the
final cycle that would end on twenty twelve, so the cycle between nineteen eighty
eight and twenty twelve, and among others. The person that was very much
into this was Shirley McLane, and I remember I had a connection. That's
how I came to meet her. Because Shirley McLane had this. We had
a friend in common, which was this astrologer, Marchillo Galoupe, who also
passed away, who's a very well known astrologer, great astrologer. That's why
she was using it. And she was giving her seminars on raising consciousness,
you know, her New Age seminars back then, which we used to attract
thousands of people. But then she decided that this was taking too much of
her attention, so she stopped and went back to making movies, although she
remained interested personally, but at that time she was really becoming like a gurgle,
like a New Age gurgule. So this was nineteen eighty eight and she
asked Marcello Galupi to give a little talk as part of her seminar. This
was at the Sheraton Hotel in Manhattan to describe to talk about the harmonic convergence.
So he did and as a result that he was appearing there as a
as a guest speaker. He said, you can bring whoever friends you want.
So he called me, I remember, so you want to go to
the Erley Night leb which used to cost hundreds of dollars, you know back
then, you want to come to sery Knight. Then sure, I want
to come, of course, And that's how And then at the end of
the seminar we all ended up at her apartment with sitching Remember we had the
picture of Zacharia Sitchin and that our Hollywood magazine, right in our Hollywood magazine,
and the profile I wrote about her. So that's basically it. And
since then, of course, in nineteen eighty eight, of course two twelve
was still too much in the future, so people weren't talking too much.
But although some people were still researching it. But then came two thousand.
There was a lot of expectation for two thousand. Remember the end of the
world, the UFOs are going to land, yeah, computers, yeah,
And of course none of that happened, and so then after that was done,
then what's the next you know, doomsday date the Maya calendar, and
that became BIGS and then that's when that whole movement started and the people started
writing books and actually calling Andrews the prominent crop circle research. It was one
of the first ones who wrote a book for the Idiots Guide. This came
a few years ago. And of course it's going to be a speaker at
our congress, our chance to plug the Congress. Remember the UFO International Old
cong International UFO Congress, right, I got that backwards in late February.
You can go and register right now. And Colin Andrews is not only speaking
about crop circles, you know, he's also going to be part of a
panel to talk about twenty twelve because he literally wrote the Dummies Guide he does.
Yeah, exactly. That's so funny too because he's a crop circle guy,
but he wrote but he was always interested in consciousness too, and I
think it's one of these angles now on crop circles as well. And I'm
sure I mail talk about that. Yeah. Timon sounds really into especially lately,
and he talked about this last time at the Congress about crop circles and
their relation at twenty twelve. Correct, Yeah, kind is a total believer
in twenty twelve, and he thinks that something big is going to happen and
it's going to be connected with Aliens and the Mayans, the Ians, and
thinking, of course, what's interesting, and I pointed out in my story
because these people that are doing the movie or the documentary, which are the
sons of two famous people. One is Julia Levy, who is the son
of the of the lady actors, Julia, and the other one is Juan
Carlos Rueful, who's the Mexican guy who is the director. Julia Levy is
a producer, and Rueful is the son of one Rutheful, who is a
very prominent Mexican writer, very well known in uh in in In in Latin
culture, you know, one of the big writers. Also the same generation
of atri Americus. And so these people have been putting these press releases through
this outfit in in in Hollywood, the rap, it's called the Rap,
and they're basically hyping, you know, this story is saying that they're going
to have all these revelations from the Mexican government about secrets that the Mexican government
has been holding. And at least they have one official that's gone along,
which is the Minister of Tourism in Campeche State, which is kind of a
young guy, an average guy, and I think he's gone along because he
said, Hey, what the hell, you know, I'm the minut Tourism.
This is gonna bring This is going to bring people. But the more
you look at it, I don't believe it. Mexico has a very strong
archaeological community for the reason that they have such fascinating ruins, you know,
and such an important ancient history. So they got it. And all these
institutes are funded by the government. Many of them are connected to the UNAM,
which is the National Autonomous University of Mexico, and they have all these
prominent archaeologists and they, along with the archeologists in the United States and Britain
and elsewhere, they're very skeptical of this whole twenty twelve phenomenon. The official
view of mainstream is that it's just like a switch over, you know,
you end the cycle. It's like a restart in their computer. You end
the cycle and it starts again. Like December thirty first to January first,
right, that's what the official Mexican archaeological people are saying now. And that's
as well. Now, if the Mexican government had artifacts or things like that,
which is what the people in the express relisits are saying, why release
it to the documentary done by Americans. It doesn't make sense. They would
go through their own archaeological community, would be properly vetted according to you know,
to procedures for archeological discoveries. Obviously they're getting some support because that movie
is part of the Mayan World program, and in the sense that they are
allowing them to film in ruins, and they're allowing them to film in certain
you know, any monument in the world, or museum for that matter,
always have areas that are off the public, right. There are always areas.
When you go to palain k any of these cities, Maya cities,
some of which I have visited, you can see some pyramids and things,
but others you can because the archaeologists are working or they're under repair or whatever.
And same thing in museums. Museums have basements right full of stuff that
is not in public view. So I think that in that sense, yes,
they are getting corporation from the Mexican government to allow them to film in
certain locations and to maybe film certain artifacts that are not on public display,
but that they're gonna reveal big alien secrets. I don't think so. In
fact, they also quoted the Minister of Tourism from Guatenala. It's not called
the Ministry of Tourism by the Tourism Institute, National Institute, something like that,
but it would be equivalent to the Ministry of Tourism, a man called
Novielo, I think his name, And this happened after I published my two
piece series, although I probably will do an update on that, and basically
the guy he was quoted also saying that the Guatemalan government also had secrets that
were going to be releasing the movies. And the guy came with the statement,
with the public statement in Spanish, of course, saying I never said
such thing. You know we have those, you know, we don't have
any secrets about aliens or whatever. So that, yeah, that was denied,
not the Minister of puism in Mexico or Campecha, not not the whole
state of not the whole country, but he didn't deny it, so obviously
he did say those statements. Well, and it is interesting that at least
I haven't seen yet that they made some pretty lofty claims of what Stephen Hawkings
had said according to them. Uh, and there hasn't been a denial right
Hackings camp, but that he said something like, well, you know,
even if these aliens were talking, no, something more like, although the
aliens were talking to the Mayans, doesn't mean that if they were their friends,
they're going to be our friends and we have to be careful, which
doesn't actually sound like he doesn't talk like that really, but it goes a
little bit along with his Remember his famous statement that aliens are if they if
they exist, there's some kind of scavengers or something. Yeah. Well,
they claim these guys wholly and ruleful, that they're going to be interviewing all
these prominent people, including members of the church and former presidents, and you
know, but I mean, I'm sure they're going they will interview a lot
of people. But they're also hyping it, you know, which is quite
any movie producer would do. I mean, there's nothing unusual about that.
What I'm really worried about is that this is going to be a fourth time
situation where they're making all this step up for some viral marketing and then later
on it turns out that it's not actually a real documentary but kind of a
mockumentary. It could be. And if that happens that the thing is is
that lots of people in the twenty twelve community I'll get real upset, But
the general public really doesn't. You know, people will think, oh,
what a great marketing scheme. Yeah, I hated that fourth kind thing.
You know, I don't mind even even if you're going to be sensationalists or
whatever, but at least be clear, you know, well, this is
a documentary or this is fiction or hype it whatever. That goes through the
territory. But to p that you're doing a documentary when it's a fictional movie,
because it just confuses people. He confuses the people, I mean,
not the researchers who are familiar with the subject, but the general public,
you know, and then it just models the water, and then you don't
know what's true what's false. So yeah, I hope it won't be something
like that, but I guess we won't know. Yeah, we won't know.
But it's really interesting getting back to the Mexican president talking about the mindset.
Didn't they even put something about that in their pressure. Well, they
did talk about the end of the calendar, yes, even in this official
speech, which we call it extensively in my article, and we also have
the link to the actually of the the you know, the presidential website in
Mexico with the actual speech but in Spanish. And yeah, he did talk
to the too. He did talk. He did address the the end of
the Maya calendar, and uh didn't talk about Alias, but he did talk
about the end of my calendar and saying, well, many people are but
even there you could see the pr angle. You said, many people are,
you know, in great expectation about the end of the my calendar.
So come to Mexico. You know, our doors are open. See it
from here where it all happened, you know. So I don't blame the
Mexican government. I mean, if I was, you know, the Minister
of Tourism, I would do exactly the same thing. It's a great hype.
They didn't even created it. They're just going along. And why not,
No, for sure, because you know, even though I don't think
anything catastrophic is going to happen, I think I agree that it'll probably just
be what it is originally. I think it's even intended by the miend.
It's just a change in calendar like December January. But it would be really
cool and I would love to be at some Mayan ruin, you know,
on New Year's when that happens, just for fun and just to be there.
There is a sociological aspect, you know, I mean, and I
don't completely rule out that at a subtle level they might see some change of
consciousness or something, because a five thousand year cycle, I mean, that's
that is something. But whereas a lot of confusion tools and what the so
called Mayan prophecies, right, A lot of people talk about the Mayan prophecies,
but the calendar, it's not a prophecy. The calendar is a strictly
mathematical thing. And of course the Mayas were famous for both their astronomy and
their mathematics. One of the things that in fact the Mexican President mentioned is
that they invented the number zero. That would be an invention by the Mayas,
didn't the Romans didn't have number zero. I think in India also they
did it simultaneously, but the Mayas came up on their own with the number
zero, so they were This whole thing is the mathematical construct. Now there
are some real Mayan prophecies too, but not in the sense that people are
writing. They're more like cosmological things. And their their compilations, usually put
down in the colonial period. And one is known as the Book of Chia
Lambalam and the other one is known as the Popol Wu. These are two
books written in Maya Quiche language and put together in the eighteenth century seventeenth century
by Maya themselves, you know, but already in colonial times. Other than
that, they are the Codis the famous Courtises. But they're only about four
or five are left. I mean, maybe there was a book of prophecies,
but as we know, unfortunately the Spanish priests burned them all except the
couple that were survived and were sent to European museums and now they're dressed and
madridds on. But unfortunately they because it was a method, you know,
in their conquest. So there really are no doomsday prophecies, no, and
they are in some of the Mayan cottages. They are astrological predictions, but
their much shorter term. There are certainly not doomsday prophecies. No, and
that's that's the most difficult part because you hear all about these doomsday prophety prophecies.
You have a twenty twelve movie right all about this doomsday ste which is
really Yeah, even though in Mayan history there is a doomsday, there are
two doomsdays as far as they're concerned. The first one is the most mysterious.
It happened around the year nine hundred AD and is the end of the
classical Mayan civilization. And as you know, for some reason which science and
astronomy and archeology they don't know yet for sure what happened, they abandoned all
these cities. Yeah, just kind of took that. Yeah, it's not
like the people left, because the people are there to this day, but
there's political construct collapsed. That's why the cities were so well preserved, because
they abandoned them and then they were eaten by the jungle and they were rediscovered
right after. But the Spanish never destroyed them because by the time the Spanish
came in six hundred years later, they were gone. So then you have
the new civilization, the new Maya civilization, which was with an influx from
the tok Dex, the politics from Mexico. They joined hands with whatever was
left of the Mayas and they created a new Maya civilization. And this is
connected with that great mysterious character sort of the Mexican messiah Kittsaguado, which also
gets mentioned in the twenty twelve, you know, the Return of Katsaguado.
All that which Cortis used cleverly the Spanish conquistador. As soon as they arrived,
he heard from the people he was conquering, and well, actually he
had a mistress, Malinche, the famous character in Mexican history, and because
she was his interpreter by that, she also became his mistress. Because we
have to understand that the Aztecs had subdued a lot of people too, and
they were using them for their human sacrifices and things like that. So when
the Spanish came, many of the other subdue nations they saw them as saviors.
Actually here were people that were, you know, basically liberating them from
their you know, their masters. So they went along and that's why Court
had a very small army suddenly had thousands of Indians fighting for him too.
So he learned about these prophecies of Katzakuado, Thattsakuado, this profit from the
ancient Gays, I was supposed to return and he had come from the west,
and he was bearded because this being a ruthless but a very clever guy,
immediately saw the potential done God and support has had his armor that glistened
exactly. Plus of course they had fire weapons and of firearms, and they
had horses, and their horses terrified the Mexicans. And I did, as
you know, a lot of research on this because I wrote this was in
the early issues of the magazine, and I will be talking about this and
my next presentation in the Congress, among many other things. I did this
article about the importance and the omens at the end of the Aztec Empire and
how there was really what today would call a UFO wave in the fifteen hundreds,
and they they were seen as importance of doom, you know, And
indeed doom did come. Whatever where you believe about comments or UFOs or in
the calendars or something, certainly doom came for the Mexican culture at that time,
you know. So that's another angle, this this return of Katsakuado,
and so it is a fascinating subject. So in regardless of what's going to
happen in twenty twelve, I'm doing already a lot of research because I find
it very interesting. So I can't blame the marketing people in the tourist people,
because it's a great place. And that's you know, that's all about
marketing, reminding people that it's fascinating the history and to come back. And
like you said, it is a common misunderstanding that the Mayan disappeared. Yes,
they didn't disappear. They're still there. They're still there. I go
to these ruins, you know, some of the people selling you stuff on
my end when when you go to Guatemala, and my sister was with the
Yun and Guatemala and I he actually did visit what Thenadola in the nineteen nineties.
I learned that there are twenty four Indian nations as they called them,
but they're all descended from the Mayans. But by now they eat had different
dialects and everything. Wow, and so yes, the people are all there,
but the political system, of course crumbled, and then it crumbled again
when the Spanish conquered them in the fifteen hundreds. That was the collapse of
the Second May civilization. But the people obviously we're still there and they're still
there to this day. So and then the other thing. And it's a
little bit of pr here for Mexico. I know a lot of people are
very afraid about violence and all that, but that's in the north of Mexico
when you go to Cancun and Campege in these areas, that's not where all
this business of the drug lords and all that is going on. And those
areas are much better police because they know tourism is a huge income from Mexico.
So I'm sure that that it will be fairly safe. Yeah, well
cool, We've only got a few minutes left. But so I wanted to
maybe talk about what you're working on now for the next issue of the magazine.
Yeah, I got a couple of got a couple of interesting stories.
One is one that I combined some articles that I had done on the web
but put them all together in a single piece. And it's about of course
the mob the Ministry of Defense files, but not so much on the UFO
cases themselves, but the politics. What was the politics going on? And
particularly I profiled three people. One is Lord Hill, Norton, the former
Admiral of the Fleet who at one time was the chairman of the NATO Military
Commander prominent men who became really a pioneer in exopolitics what today we call exopolitics
in the late nineties, in the early part of the last decade. He
passed away in two thousand and four. He became a formulable fault, I
mean fire for loophology, and he kept pestering the Ministry of Defense because at
that time the Ministry of Defense had not put in place the classification policy,
so he was in a Especially he was interested in the Renderssan Forest case of
December nineteen eighty. He wanted the answers on that, and he was a
member of Parliament and a former defense chief. So these guys a mob were
basically terrified by him. And he wouldn't take no for an answer to this
guy, I mean, so the usual you know, passing the buck wouldn't
work with him, so he would come back. And this went on over
and over. And then the other character, which actually Hill none I never
met, but the other one I did was Ralph Noys, fascinating character.
He had worked at a miniature of Defense for many years. He retired with
the rank of Undersecretary of State, and he too, at one time,
was involved in the UFO investigation in the nineteen seventies, and he described in
a famous memorandum that was in the last release an event that happened at the
time he worked at MOB when they all went to a theater that he was
at the sub basement of the Ministry and they saw this whatever twenty minute the
saw presentation that someone at the ministry had put together of UFO footage, both
pictures including gang camera film which you always hear about it that you never see,
and though and he wrote this at the time that our friend Nick Pope
was the guy in charge of the UFO desk. So Nick immediately said,
hey, film gun camera, Hey, let's get our hands on. He
couldn't find it. He was just spanished, vanished off the face. And
obviously it existed because noise is a very credible source. And so in nineteen
seventy this presentation was put together, and this footage existed by the time and
Nick tried to get his hands on. Twenty four years later it was gone.
So that article deals with that. Just like a lot of this set,
they say they claim that the government probably these guys didn't think it was
very important, so they threw it out when they they were not they would
not find so not film. But that's the thing that, yeah, is
that when you hear that answer, you know, sometimes I think, go,
okay, well maybe that makes sense, like when Leslie Keene and the
Correlation for the Freedom of Information looks for information from NATA. Oh it was
thrown out. You know, we tried our best to find it. But
when you yeah, you hear that answer over and over again, I can
see in some cases it might be true. You know, if there's one
doctum and one mammo, sure he got misplaced, he goes miss filed.
It's you know, they people in government are human, you know, they
can make mistakes. But the whole thing with film and footage, even though
Noise says it was not dramatic, he said it was not that great.
But still I don't believe they would throw away on camera footage in no way.
And the other story is a fascinating story in the in the History of
Apology too, which I also wrote in the web. But this is not
just a couple of seconds. Yeah, it's on the famous Pasca Gula abduction
of nineteen seventy three, right, you know, the Charlie Hickson case.
Hickson and Parker, So I got it by their magazine article. We'll go
into other aspects that are not in the web. In the web article it,
we'll discuss, for instance, a wave of ussols that took place at
the same Topicol. Yeah, perfect, because Charlie Hickson I passed away recently
and so there was a lot of news I have to pass goo goal case.
So but just very like couple paragraphs on it. So you'll have a
story coming out with that'll cover it more than that and putting it in context
because it didn't happen in a void. You know. He was part of
the nineteen seventy Pretty Wave, which was the extremely significant UFO wave. So
that's pretty dang exciting. People should look forward to it. Yeah all right,
Well, thank you so much for updating us on these stories and coming
back on the show again. You're welcome, and it's not always great time.
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