WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:10.080 Welcome to open Minds Radio of Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO 2 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:15.679 news authority, presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here's 3 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:22.120 your host, Alejandro Roja. Valejandro Rojas. That sounds like a familiar name. 4 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:28.399 Oh that's me. Hey, it's me Alejandro rot your host of open 5 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:37.359 Minds Radio. And we have the most spectacular show today. It's absolutely amazing. 6 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:43.520 This guy is named Antonio who nes and you may know him from Open 7 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:51.439 Minds magazine and from the open Minds website because he writes these incredible stories about 8 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:55.840 UFOs, and we're going to be talking about some of his most recent ones, 9 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:00.719 including UFO siting by an ex president of Mexico. It's a really neat 10 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.000 story because I mean he he was not shy. I forget you know, 11 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:07.159 Antonio all tell us the details, but he was like, you know, 12 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.840 he'd be in meetings and if people talked about UFOs, he'd be like, 13 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:14.120 oh, yeah, I saw a UFOs, so that's kind of cool. 14 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:22.519 But like a Nobel Price piece, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who also wrote 15 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.519 about UFOs. And then who is the other one? Oh twenty twelve in 16 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.120 the Mexico thing. Jason and I have talked about that quite a bit, 17 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.680 but Antonio also did some research on some of that, so we'll talk about 18 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.560 that. So there is a lot. He's also just got back actually from 19 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.920 a couple of conferences on the East Coast too. He also used to wrestle 20 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:47.319 dinosaurs. He's that old wrestle dinosaurs. So we'll ask him what his favorite 21 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:53.680 dinosaur to wrestle might have been. I'm gonna guess it would be I have 22 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.920 no idea. Actually it's a good question for it, bronnosaurs. He grab 23 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.040 its neck and say, cutey oh, I just wrestled Lebronuswurst, even though 24 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:06.439 Lebronuswurst didn't know. No, he's not that old. He is up there, 25 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:09.280 but that's kind of me. And that was Jason in the Peanut gallery 26 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.520 there, and that wasn't me. So if some of you are like, 27 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:16.039 hey, man, don't make fun of Mintune, you that was Jason, 28 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:20.080 I probably accept that blame. I love to give him a hard time. 29 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:23.759 Yeah, So we have a great show today. We're going to be talking 30 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:29.280 about all that fun stuff. And I'm actually in the studio again because I 31 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.960 told you that we had this great plan about doing some more remote stuff and 32 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:37.479 that worked beautifully, didn't it not, So of course we uh, but 33 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:42.680 we're able to recover that great interview last week that Peter Robbins had where he 34 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.719 talked about Bud Hopkins. And if you were one of the people who listened 35 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.000 live and you know it was kind of choppy or something, go hook up 36 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:54.599 to your iTunes again and it'll upload the new podcast where you'll be able to 37 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:59.479 see the interview. Hear the interview with Peter and it sounds great. So 38 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.560 in case you're one of those people, I think most of you podcast later 39 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.240 on, so most of you heard the one that we already edited and sounded 40 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:13.800 pretty all right. So that is the show today. I'm very excited. 41 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:21.280 But guess what comes up first? The news? UFO News because on Openminds 42 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:29.120 dot tv you always have the latest news, also on tweeting that on UFO 43 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:32.719 Daily News at UFO Daily News on Twitter if you want to Twitter news feed. 44 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.960 But we bring this character in called Jason McClellan, and he comes in 45 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.879 and tells us all about the news and we have fun talking about the latest 46 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.599 and the greatest. So we've got him here with us right now. You 47 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.719 heard him making fun of Antonio. Jason McClellan, how are you. I'm 48 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:53.879 great, sir, Yes, that isn't. One of my many jobs is 49 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.319 peanut gallery. I do f on on that before the news comes in. 50 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:03.080 But this is their Open Minds Newsbury for Monday, November fourteenth, two thousand 51 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:10.560 eleven. An aircraft carrier size asteroid known as Asteroid two thousand and five YU 52 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:15.120 fifty five, recently passed between the Moon and Earth, making its closest path 53 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:19.360 pass to our planet in two hundred years. According to NASA. Strange structures 54 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:25.079 were detected on the large asteroid as it passed Earth at an impressive thirty thousand 55 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:30.959 miles per hour. According to the BBC, two radio telescopes, the Goldstone 56 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:42.319 Observatory in California and the ODII Odisibi Arecibo Observatory in Fleteliko, Aricibo. Adisibo 57 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:47.920 Aersibo American But it's in yeah, but you can't see it right anyway? 58 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:54.879 So are you telling me? As a new resident of Arizona? You say, 59 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:59.920 Coca Grand. Now what do you say? Then? Casa Grand? 60 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:05.360 There you go anyway, These two observatories, these two radio telescopes, recorded 61 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:11.079 radio echoes off the asteroid quote to understand better what it is made of and 62 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:15.120 how it is shaped. Scientists at the Goldstone Observatory assembled a short video of 63 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.680 the asteroid using images generated from data acquired with the two hundred and thirty foot 64 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:25.639 wide Deep Space Network antenna on November seven, twenty eleven, between eleven twenty 65 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:29.920 four am and one thirty five pm. The images used to create this video 66 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:34.199 are reportedly the highest resolution images ever made by radar of a near Earth object. 67 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:39.959 And while that sounds impressed of Alejandro, I was under impressed by these 68 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.759 images. I know I should be merely impressed, but it's very grainy and 69 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:48.399 hard to make out anything. However, NASA reports that the principal investigator for 70 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:54.720 Asteroid two thousand and five y fifty five observations, radar astronomer Lance Benner of 71 00:05:54.839 --> 00:06:00.000 NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, stated about the video, quote, 72 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.000 the animation reveals a number of puzzling structures on the surface that we don't 73 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:10.000 yet understand. He further stated, quote, to date, we've seen less 74 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:15.639 than one half of the surface, so we expect more surprises. That sounds 75 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.879 like a becoming more typical response of NASA to try to hype things up. 76 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:27.040 Yeah, exactly, marketing exactly. So are these structures evidence of an extraterrestrial 77 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.079 civilization? Some think so, while others think the usage of the term structures 78 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:36.600 in this instance simply refers to anomalies on the asteroid's surface. In either case, 79 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:44.639 these structures have scientists puzzled and their identity is unknown. Interesting, It 80 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:50.240 is interesting, And I wonder how intentional the usage of the term structure actually 81 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:57.639 was. And maybe a year ago I might have not even thought twice about 82 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.720 it. I would just say they're just talking about something weird on the surface. 83 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.759 It could be a mountain or something, but they don't know what it 84 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:08.439 did. However, we've seen a lot, you know, on multiple occasions 85 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:15.360 this year, we've seen NASA really playing with words, a lot intentional planet 86 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.360 words to create a buzz, because what else. Let's think of what words 87 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:23.839 you would use. Let's say you or we lived on the Moon and we 88 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:29.439 took pictures of just because I was there fairly recently, Arches National Park or 89 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:34.560 Monument Valley, and you would see some weird geological structures, So that might 90 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:40.560 be the term you'd use where would you use mid some some strange formations geological 91 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:45.879 formations with us. But I think you're totally right because we know, like 92 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.399 they did recently, not too long ago, they made the big deal about 93 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:54.000 the extraterrestrial life and it was total be it that had nothing to do with 94 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.959 talking about the organisms that could live in an arsenic heavy environment. And the 95 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.279 press release they said out and they bothered to send out a press release, 96 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.600 and the press release was very vague and simply stated that they were going to 97 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.839 make an announcement they would impact the search for extraterrestrial light. And it was 98 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.439 a marketing play and it worked. I think you're probably they're doing this more 99 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.800 and more. They're they're really playing the game. They they really want to 100 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.240 get people interested in space again, and this is the angle they're taking. 101 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.680 They know that people are interested in extraterrestrial life, so they really hype this 102 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:35.600 up. And the recent discovery of the the planet they're called Tattooin that has 103 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.879 the two moons, they really hype that one up, playing with Star Wars, 104 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.559 and they had somebody from Industrial Light and Magic on that to discuss the 105 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.679 announcement of that. So NASA's played a lot of games with their their pr 106 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:56.159 now, and I guess it's working for them. They're definitely getting the headlines 107 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:01.879 with it. Well on you know, talk about the phrasing of that, 108 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:07.840 the usage of the word structure. We have more strange structures today, gives 109 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:13.559 Moto reporter. My microphone keeps clicking. Yeah, that's good, and I 110 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.519 apologize to our listeners. I know it's annoying, but it's also annoying to 111 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:22.960 Alejandro and myself because it's very loud in our ears. But his Moto reporter 112 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:28.000 Jesustias published a story on Saturday, November thirteenth about multiple mysterious formations in the 113 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.960 Chinese desert. The strange surface features and mysterious structures are visible using Google Maps. 114 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.799 The first oddity pointed out by Ideas is a series of wide white lines. 115 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:45.360 This formation reportedly covers an area approximately one mile long by more than three 116 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:50.399 thousand feet wide. Diaz mentions that the quote tracks are perfectly executed and they 117 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.879 seem to be designed to be seen from orbit. End quote. He goes 118 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:00.240 on to speculate, quote, perhaps it's some kind of targeting or caliber in 119 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:05.360 grid for Chinese spy satellites. Maybe it's a QR code for aliens. Nobody 120 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:11.279 really knows. Another similar pattern of lines is located approximately twenty miles west of 121 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.399 the first pattern. In Aljnda these lines that he mentions in the article, 122 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:22.559 these are just a couple of the strange formations that appear with a relatively close 123 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:30.720 area in China. There are many more that appear to be perhaps coded signals, 124 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:39.080 coded patterns that viewed from space could translate to something. Have you tried 125 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.720 to scan them with your iPhone and the little ap I haven't because that a 126 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.440 app is specifically geared to QR code. These don't appear to be QR code. 127 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:50.240 You never know. It might say China rules. Give it a try. 128 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.519 But in some of these patterns Aljander, the interesting thing is when you 129 00:10:54.600 --> 00:11:00.600 zoom in, you can see that there are like vehicles that are blown up, 130 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:07.399 like scorched vehicles and things like that. So it could indicate that, 131 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:13.080 you know, some sort of space based weaponry testing is taking place there. 132 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:18.399 In these these targets are not necessarily space based. It could be just artillery 133 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.360 or other type of missile testing and stuff like that. It certainly could be 134 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.039 and you know that this this the vehicles there and the and the indication of 135 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:31.879 of scorching, of things being blown up. That's that's interesting. And then 136 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:39.240 there's also one feature that looks like it it could be perhaps an airfield, 137 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:45.519 a couple of runways or something. But one of the things that could be 138 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.360 a runway, it's really illuminated. It's very, very vividly blue and very 139 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:56.399 you can see it from space very clearly, and you know a lot of 140 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.879 times that that indicates that you're looking at water. Water looks really weird for 141 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.600 from above, but when you really zoom in on it, it appears that 142 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:09.759 you can see segments of perhaps some material that makes up this runway. It's 143 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.600 like, you know, a long tile or something, but on a much 144 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:18.559 larger scale. So who knows. I mean, you can't speculate that it 145 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:24.039 could be a runway that's made to be extremely visible from the air, which 146 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.320 could lead you to then say, is it for UFOs for spacecraft to be 147 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.360 able to easily identify it coming from the sky. Who knows? That's a 148 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.759 stretch. I mean, that's just pure speculation. However, at the top 149 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:41.240 of one of these runways, there's this big square on the ground. It's 150 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.919 the same color of the runway it seems to be attached to this runway. 151 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:50.399 If it is runway and there are lots of holes, not really holes, 152 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:56.759 but circular areas, it appear to have been blasted with like a laser or 153 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.000 some sort of explosion happened there. See tons of these holes, and some 154 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.399 of them do show signs of what could be scorching or where something is blown 155 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.399 up, and they're just littered all over the place. So if this is 156 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.480 a runway of some sort, it is they have terrible pilots there who are 157 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.080 crashing all the time, or something is being blown up there. Well, 158 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.360 if you go look at Kirtland Air Force Base in the Monzanito Monzano Mountains, 159 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.399 you'll see all kinds of weird stuff that we have their secret projects, and 160 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.159 they look so strange because they do stuff like they do some laser testing even 161 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.679 if white sand. Wherever they blow up bombs. They also have strange shaped 162 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.919 or two for tracking so they know how long, how far the bombs went 163 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.799 and stuff. But it's hard to say with some of this stuff. Like 164 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.200 that's one of my favorite things to do is just go over by Kurland Air 165 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:56.120 Force Space out into the mountains and you look at all of the weird stuff 166 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.360 that they have there, and how strange it is, Like the laser testing 167 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:03.519 lab they have out there is circular. It's really weird. They have this 168 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.279 giant wooden structure and you can't tell what it is from from a satellite image. 169 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:13.039 And it's for testing radiation on planes, where they'll have a plane there 170 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:20.320 and then there's radiation and there's lots of popped bomb areas, so who knows 171 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.440 what the heck they could be testing out there. But yeah, all of 172 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:28.639 the testing facilities and the proving grounds usually have some really cool stuff to look 173 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.159 at from Yeah, from space, well, everything looks so bizarre from space, 174 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.320 you know, and then zooming down on it that this is a view 175 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.480 that we're not used to seeing. But in those patterns that you were talking 176 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:43.120 about at first, it's funny because they look like modern art or something, 177 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.960 well not modern seventies, but they look like seventies artwork or something, right. 178 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.639 I mean, when you fly in an airplane now and you look out 179 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.440 the window, you know, you do see a lot of lines and things 180 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.519 that look weird from the from the air, you know, what is that 181 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.000 that reminds me of a harrowing story? A harrowing story. Yeah, well 182 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.200 you can't tease, you must share. Yeah, I wanted to share this 183 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:09.080 with the listeners anyway because I think I almost died. Yes, you need 184 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.840 to share this story. So I'm landing in Phoenix and it's I'm coming from 185 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.679 Grand Junction and it's a propeller plane, one of the bigger ones where it 186 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.799 sets you know, four across, but it's a propeller plane. We're coming 187 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.279 in for a landing, and all of a sudden, the plane takes a 188 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.279 hard, hard left where we kept turning and turning and turning it and I 189 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.320 thought we were going to flip all the way upside down. I mean, 190 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.399 we kept going and then finally he flipped hard right where we just went the 191 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:43.320 opposite direction before centering out and then coming in for the landing. But it 192 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.879 was like it was over the city where this happened, because when he leveled 193 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.919 out, then you could start to see the Salt River, and you know, 194 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.879 we flew over right over this building right here, so I could see 195 00:15:54.919 --> 00:16:00.840 the building and the ASSU Stadium. Then I knew we were like gonna land. 196 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.360 But it was the freakiest thing I've done a lot of flying in a 197 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.759 lot of traveling. I used to travel for work. I've never had anything 198 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.600 like that happen. So did another airplane almost hit you? We don't know. 199 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.200 We asked the stewardess and she wouldn't tell us. She said, I 200 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.480 don't know, she said, but that's what she suggested. She said, 201 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:19.759 we might have needed to avoid another plane. But I don't know what the 202 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:23.679 protocol is. Maybe she's not supposed to go ask because it didn't appear like 203 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:26.559 she did. But one of the pilots when they opened the door, you 204 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:32.000 could see he was pretty blustered and freaked out. So I'm hoping somehow maybe 205 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:36.120 I can give him a call and find out what happened. But I'm glad 206 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.840 you mentioned an airplane chair. I'm glad you remember to tell that story. 207 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:42.639 That's pretty freaky, but yeah, I'm glad you made it back here, 208 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.440 made it all right. And then my poor dog, it was the first 209 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.039 time she'd blown it because I had her with me, and yeah, she's 210 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.879 not gonna want to fly again. She was pretty that's a bad first experience. 211 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.360 Yeah, jeez, well, all hunter, here's a story that I 212 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:02.039 definitely want to squeeze in here. So our good friendly Spiegel of the Huffington 213 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:07.519 Post reported that NBC cameraman Ardie Willis contacted him after seeing the buzz and confusion 214 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:14.240 created by the New Orleans UFO video. If you were familiar with that video 215 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:19.279 that made lots of headlines, was a video that was shot during an NFL 216 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:26.240 football game and outside the stadium. When NBC returned from a commercial, they 217 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:32.599 showed this footage and they were at least three lights that zipped behind a cathedral, 218 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.920 and so that got people buzzing about UFOs in this video. And we 219 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:42.640 talked about this a little last week, and while most of our conversation with 220 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:47.039 garbled, I hope some people heard us talking about it. Yeah, but 221 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:48.640 you know, when we looked at the video, we could tell that it 222 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.279 was a time WAPs video. And that's something that a lot of people writing 223 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:56.559 about this. When you looked at it about this video, I'll say we 224 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.720 that was a good call. It was definitely a time lapse video. And 225 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.359 when you know you have a time lost video, then's less mysterious. Because 226 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.839 the thing that was super weird about this video is these objects zipping by through 227 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:12.519 this guy very fast and going framed by friend. You could see they were 228 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:18.279 flying behind the cathedral, which meant they weren't bugs close to the screen or 229 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.640 close to the lens. So just just with that alone, you think, 230 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.799 wow, we've got these big objects zipping through this guy. That's pretty freaky. 231 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.519 But then with the timeline video, you know that the objects were moving 232 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:37.759 considerably slower in real time. So with that, the cameraman, Ardie Willis, 233 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:42.240 was actually the photographer who shot the footage that we see in that video, 234 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:47.759 and he contacted List Bigel at the Huffington Post because he saw all this 235 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:52.960 buzz and people being confused about the video. So he contacted Lee to clear 236 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:57.279 up the confusion. And he said, if you watch Sunday Night Football on 237 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.200 a regular basis, you will recognize my time time laps videos. Throughout the 238 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:07.720 telecast, he pretty much goes around to I believe it's Sunday Night Football, 239 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.119 and every Sunday Night Football he takes his camera rig and sets up and does 240 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.759 these shots for the NFL for NBC. And it's very common in sports. 241 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:18.960 You watch sports, you'll you'll notice as you pay attention when they come back, 242 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:22.920 and it gives it sort of a cinematic effect. It's it's a very 243 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.240 very showy to do these time lapse things when they come back from commercials, 244 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.960 And it was good of you to notice that it was time lapse because usually 245 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:34.519 with time lapse they're showing the weather. The sunsets come in, right, 246 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.200 and the clouds come in even during the games, to show you what a 247 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:41.759 night, how nice it's been, or the clouds coming in during the games. 248 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.319 Yeah, but it was just night. So that's I think what it 249 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.440 was hard to tell it was time laps because you usually why would you time 250 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.119 lapse night? Well, and with his particular setup and the way he does 251 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.880 it, it is so cool and and different because of the process he does. 252 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.440 If you watch the video, it's kind of confusing because you see this 253 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:06.759 dolly shot where the camera's actually moving as the time loss is taking place. 254 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.119 And so even our producer here, Tom Ruffin, when we watch the video 255 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.920 together, Wow, I wonder how he did that. It had to be 256 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:21.480 a pretty elaborate setup. And so what this photographer Ardie willis totally Spiegel is 257 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:26.119 that quote, I move and manipulate my nikon still the SLR camera with a 258 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.359 computer controlled panhead and dolly. This technique makes my time loops of video motion 259 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:34.720 seem more like real time motion, when in fact they are a series of 260 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:41.079 still images played back very quickly. And he even provided Lee with a video 261 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.039 showing his setup and how it works. It's very cool. He's got this 262 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.599 still camera on a dolly on this track and it moves, and it's controlled 263 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:53.200 completely by computer. And that thirty seconds of footage that we see in that 264 00:20:53.319 --> 00:21:00.440 video actually took him more than an hour to complete. Wow. So addressing 265 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:04.720 the UFO is captured in his video while it's told the Huffington Post quote, 266 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:10.279 the flying rods that are seen are actually single airplanes that happen to fly through 267 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:15.279 the screen during each long shutter exposure. Because of the precise, repetitive nature 268 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:19.039 of my camera support rig, one plane pass seems eerily like a UFO streaking 269 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:23.920 through the sky. So as he was shooting his footage, he was watching 270 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.319 the airplanes come in for a landing, so he knew without a doubt that 271 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:33.160 they were airplanes, commercial airlines coming in for a landing at the nearby airport. 272 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.799 And so unfortunately, you know, this new information should put to rest 273 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:42.039 any question about what the mysterious lights were. But there are sure to be 274 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:48.039 those who refuse to accept the airplane explanation. Yeah, that was funny because 275 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:52.119 when Lee Bard did me that story, he wrote something like, unfortunately some 276 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.200 people might get magic. I'm showing what this really is. But you know, 277 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.119 just when you're searching for the truth, you got to share the truth. 278 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.200 I agree with him one hundred percent there. And it was really cool 279 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.119 of the photographer to get a hold of him, It really was. And 280 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:10.960 he providedly with the original footage he shot too, so it didn't have the 281 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.640 network's advertisements popping up, so you could see the whole video straight through. 282 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:21.839 So that paired with the video of how his camera rig operates, you know, 283 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:26.400 gave me the full story and wanted to really help people understand what they 284 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:27.920 were saying. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, it was great, and 285 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.960 it was great for Lee Bigel to let us know about that story as well. 286 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.519 And Alejandro, I want to touch on one more story. The story 287 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:37.799 is a little old, but we didn't get a chance to get to it 288 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.720 last week. And I thought this one was kind of fun. But three 289 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:47.319 Scottish kids were shocked when they saw a UFO on October twelfth. The three 290 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:51.640 boys were near Bridge and Court in Dingwall, Scotland, at approximately seven thirty 291 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.880 pm that Wednesday night when they noticed a UFO above the trees that was quote 292 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.480 quite big in size, but it wasn't going very fast. Cod Kimsey, 293 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.839 one of the boys who witnessed the UFO, told the Rothshire Journal quote, 294 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:07.519 we were sitting down on the curb when we heard this loud, humming noise. 295 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.720 We looked up and saw the UFO just above the trees. I thought 296 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.480 it was a UFO right away. It was shaped like one and had colored 297 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:19.839 lights turning round and round underneath it. We didn't see anyone in it, 298 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.359 but the lower part of it was a silver color. You could tell that 299 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:29.079 because the lights were reflecting on it. Cody also claims that he, his 300 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:33.319 brother Kielan, and a friend also saw black helicopters in the sky at the 301 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.440 same time they saw the UFO. Cody's described hearing another UFO in the area, 302 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:42.000 but he never saw that one. The boys say they were frightened by 303 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.319 the mysterious object and treed it might land, so they quickly returned home. 304 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:52.799 According to the Rosshire Journal, A Northern Constabulary spokesman in dan Wall said policehead 305 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.279 quote received no report of unexplained activity at that time. The quoting and the 306 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.119 other kids know what they saw that night, and and created a sketch of 307 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:07.079 the UFO to show his parents. It's cool, little like typical kid drawing 308 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.920 of a UFO and crayon, and but they were genuinely frightened when they saw 309 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.200 this thing in the sky and they ran home. Yeah. Crazy, Yeah, 310 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:17.839 pretty cool, Yeah, very cool. You know what, before you're 311 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:21.319 done, though, I wanted to ask about a couple other stories. I 312 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:23.680 don't think we were able to because we we had to. I don't think 313 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.680 we were able to get to before that are really interesting. I'm not prepared. 314 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.400 Why say no, Yeah, you can do it. Go ahead. 315 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:36.559 You're very you're always prepared to Robin Leech one, I don't know anything about 316 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:38.799 I'm I'm a poor fellow, so I don't know anything about that story you 317 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:42.720 were telling me. I'm not rich nor famous. Do you want to get 318 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.200 to that one? Yeah, just if you could share, because that was 319 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.400 kind of a cool story, if you could share with the listeners. Absolutely 320 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.000 so, Yeah, I'm prepared for that one, Lejandro. Thanks Buddy Well. 321 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.480 Robin Leach, the show business journalist who was well known for his eleven 322 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.839 year TV series Lifestyles of the rich and famous is fast by mysterious phenomena, 323 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:07.200 including UFOs. As he explained to the Huffington Post, it's something that's interested 324 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.119 me from way back when in England as a newspaper reporter. Again journalist Lee 325 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:17.039 Spiegel recently interviewed Leach about his interest in UFOs. Spiegel revealed that he and 326 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:21.920 Leech are actually good friends, and the two even went ufo hunting together in 327 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:26.359 Maine back in the seventies. When asked if he had talked to many celebrities 328 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.680 about UFOs, Leech explained that he hadn't really ever brought up this subject with 329 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:36.680 any celebrities for fear of being considered quote weird and mad. But he continued, 330 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.559 quote, but we do know that over the years, everybody from presidents 331 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.079 of the United States to major dignitaries around the world, and certainly some of 332 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:48.359 our NASA space boys, they have claimed to have seen and photographed unexplained flying 333 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:53.839 objects or phenomena. Commenting on his friendship with Spiegel, Leech paid Spiegel the 334 00:25:53.920 --> 00:26:00.839 tremendous compliment of calling him the leading expert in America on unexplained phenomena. Wow, 335 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.359 cool, pretty big stuff. I'm gonna try Robert mich Loy storys of 336 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.559 the rich and famous. I'm glad I was out there. I wasn't gonna 337 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:14.160 do it, but but you frequently try to pull out your nick Pope. 338 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.000 So yeah, well that that's pretty cool. I think it's cool. What's 339 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.680 cool is least story because he has the like the video of him talking with 340 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.240 Robin Leech and it's just kind of in the conference room. Yeah, so 341 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.599 it's kind of a cool story. It's kind of cool to see that. 342 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.440 Yeah, old buddies talking about their old UFO hunting days. Yeah, and 343 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.599 it's cool to see so many celebrities coming out and talking about UFOs and and 344 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.480 stuff. And I wrote a story recently on the celebrities tweeting UFOs. Although 345 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:48.599 I think, you know, I wrote Billy Ray, Ciris, Demi Lovado, 346 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.240 and Posh Spice, what's your real name? It's blush, Buzz, 347 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:59.079 It's Beckham, Victoria Beckham correct all tweeting UFO sidings. Although I think that 348 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.359 Victoria Beckham and Billy Ray were kidding. But I think that Demi Levado doesn't 349 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.720 seem like she was. Her and her friends seemed to really see something around. 350 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.839 There was a video when they seem like, you know, they're giggling 351 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.960 little girls, how having fun? But well I think they were giggling because 352 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.599 the reporter seemed to really be hounding them. He seems kind of like a 353 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:19.440 creepy dude. Yeah, so that was but that was kind of real. 354 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:25.359 But it's kind of neat. We've had other celebrities recently where there's no bones 355 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.119 about it, right, you know, I saw UFO and they're very being, 356 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.240 very clear. So that's why I really liked that story. Well, 357 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:37.640 it was hbody used to watch him. I certainly did good old eighties. 358 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.079 But in the today's episode of The Open Minds Update with Maureen Elsbery, she 359 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:48.720 mentioned that some of that Jimmy Kimmel recently commented on UFOs on his show. 360 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.720 Yeah, that's right, I forgot about that. He wanted Obama, he 361 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.440 said it, if you were elected president, the first thing he would do 362 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.839 is march into the White House and demand to see everything about UFO. Yeah, 363 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.599 that's funny. Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot again, 364 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.720 the Royal Society. Sorry, I've got nothing near that. That's a great 365 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.240 story, but I mean we I don't think we talked about it. We 366 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:15.759 didn't talk about it, and that's interesting. The Royal Society sort of followed 367 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:25.960 suit with the FBI and CIA and CIA and the UK, Yeah, the 368 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:33.400 Ministry of Defense. There you go with putting their their journal archives online free 369 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:42.960 free access. Typically their content has been paid access only, and unfortunately that 370 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:49.160 still applies for newer publications, but stuff where the copyright has expired, so 371 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.440 things that are seventy years or older are now available free of charge, so 372 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.640 you can go back and read about Ben Franklin flying his kite and things way 373 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.559 back. I mean, all of our greatest it's pretty much I've been members 374 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:07.440 of the Royal Society. So there are some fascinating really ancient documents there that 375 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.880 you can read that were published in one of the Royal Society's journals. But 376 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:19.160 the Royal Society historically has very openly published articles about extraterrestrial life, and that's 377 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:26.559 that's been more so recently in recent times with Ted Peters about religion and the 378 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:33.079 effects extraterrestrial life has on religion. We had him on the show. He 379 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.960 is great and Paul Davies has has been a key presenter at the Royal Society 380 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.200 College that they've done astrobiological conferences lately. I know Nick Pope was really excited. 381 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.599 And Nick Pope, who went to him, said that the scientists were 382 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:49.200 more open, and he said he didn't want to name names, but there 383 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:55.400 were scientists open behind the scenes, you know, during lunch, but they 384 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.079 didn't want to talk about this stuff publicly, right, And I think you 385 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.279 talked about that on this show. Yeah. And the Royal Society, for 386 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:06.599 people who don't know, a very old and prestigious scientific organization in the United 387 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:14.599 Kingdom. Absolutely no more older than Hawking is a member, and several. 388 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.480 I wonder if more prestigious than the Ministry of Magic, or if the Ministry 389 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.599 of Magic is incorporated with the Royal Society. I'm sure it's a branch, 390 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:27.400 Yeah, a secret branch, secret branch, secret hidden branch. Well, 391 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.200 awesome, those are great stories that I wanted to touch you. Well, 392 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.400 I'm glad you got those out, Alohama, I'm glad I could contribute. 393 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.240 Yeah, all right, Well, remember you can check out all these stories 394 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.720 and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFL related news. I 395 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.359 am Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you have been briefed, 396 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.640 Alejandro. Thank you for telling us all about your briefs. Jason, 397 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:56.279 My briefs are everyone's briefs. That's great, all right, Jason is airing 398 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.240 his briefs in public. But I want to to touch on those stories because 399 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:06.839 I think those are big, great stories in euphology, and they're real news. 400 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:07.799 I mean, this is the real news. I think this is his 401 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:15.559 stuff in UFO research that we need to pay attention to, and that garners 402 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.119 more attention because they're also something that helps with the mainstream, you know, 403 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:25.720 hopefully this encourages mainstream people and mainstream scientists to get more involved with this field. 404 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.640 When you have prestigious groups such as the Royal Society looking into this, 405 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:34.240 when you have Robin Leitch of The Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous talking about 406 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.440 UFOs, you know, more celebrities and stuff like that, more people feel 407 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:44.200 more willing to come forward. So I love these stories. I think they're 408 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.799 really exciting. And thank you Jason for sharing and like Jason and Lise Biegel 409 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.759 for his great work. Like Jason said, if you go to open mind 410 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:55.880 stat TV you will see more about all of this. What else you're gonna 411 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.400 see on open mind stat TV are some stories by this character. Her name 412 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.519 Antonio, who Nay is and this guy, you know, it comes out 413 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.720 a little bit once in a while, but he's really got quite the sense 414 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.960 of humor as well. He's a he's a funny guy. So when you 415 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.680 hear Jason Teaz and Kim, you know, we joke around a lot at 416 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:22.400 the office. So but you might have heard some little copying in the background, 417 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.680 and that's Antonio getting his voice ready. All right, Hello Antonio, 418 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.519 Hello Kung. How you doing. I'm doing pretty good. Good, good 419 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.839 to see you again. Good to have you on the show again. Yeah, 420 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.480 there we go. All right, Well, we've got a lot to 421 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:44.440 talk about, and maybe to start off, maybe we'll go kind of chronological 422 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.680 in that the latest story that you wrote and for the Web at least, 423 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:55.880 then the latest one you wrote for the Web was the interview with the Nobel 424 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:04.160 Prize winner Gabriel Garcia Marquez, and so maybe tell us about him. Well, 425 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:09.319 you know, he's probably among the five or something better known writers in 426 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:15.319 the twentieth century, extremely well known writer. He's originally from Colombia and his 427 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.759 best known novel is One hundred Years of Solitude, which is a fantastic novel. 428 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.799 That's part of what they call the magical realism. So even in the 429 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.039 novel itself, it has like a lot of kind of paranormal phenomena and things 430 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.759 like that. But this is really an old interview that was done by a 431 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:42.160 Spanish encyclopedia of UFOs and space in the late sixties. I believe this well. 432 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.799 It came in installments and he was sole in newsstands each each week, 433 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:50.519 you know, there would be a separate installment. It was about UFOs and 434 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.039 the race for space. That was the subject. The encyclopedia was called Cyclopic, 435 00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:00.359 and of course on our website we have the cover of that particular issue 436 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:06.920 and we all also have the original Spanish interview with him. So they interviewed 437 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:12.519 a lot. In this particular issue. They had interviews with the number of 438 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.360 people, most of whom are totally forgotten now. I guess. There were 439 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:24.119 mostly figures, cultural figures in Spain, Samuel writers, filmmakers, actors, 440 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.719 as well as even regular people. And like I said, I couldn't even 441 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:31.360 recognize most of the names. This is back in nineteen sixty nine. But 442 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:38.159 Garcia Marcus of course was already famous at that time because already the one Hundred 443 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:43.840 Years of Solitude was published I believe around sixty seven, maybe or sixty six, 444 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.880 and it became an instant bestseller, but it wasn't the monumental figure that 445 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.599 he later became, you know, because he wrote many other famous novels, 446 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.039 and of course, in nineteen eighty two he won the Nobel Prize in Literature. 447 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.079 So basically he's and he won the Nobel Price for that book. But 448 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.199 yeah, and for other books as well, but particularly for that book. 449 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:12.960 And basically in this interview, uh, it's a one page interview and uh, 450 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.719 they ask him, well, do you believe in UFOs? And he 451 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.480 says yes. I mean, in fact, he has a funny quote and 452 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.440 I don't have it in front of me, but he says that the kind 453 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.639 of the absurd thing would be not to believe in UFOs, and uh, 454 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.840 and then he also makes a couple of other interesting statements. He said, 455 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.320 they've seen, they've been seen since the nights of the Bible, so, 456 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.840 in other words, is he's into ancient aliens. And then he talks. 457 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:45.400 He also makes a critique of science, modern science, saying that basically science 458 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.599 is becoming too dogmatic and too close minded, and that it should be more 459 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.559 visionary, like in the days of alchemy. And that's basically the basically the 460 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.920 gist of the of the interview. Yeah it got I noticed that. Funny 461 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:04.400 enough. I bought that issue back in nineteen I think it was either eighty 462 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.920 three or eighty four. I was twice in Buenos Aires, and I remember 463 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.039 going to an all the where they were selling you know, books, use 464 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.719 bookstores, and Buenos Aire's as a city. I bought it like at two 465 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.519 am, where stores are still open and there's a lot of activity, night 466 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.840 life activity. And I saw this couple of issues which I wasn't familiar with, 467 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.000 and I bought them. So I've had I read it all the way 468 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.679 back, but then I forgot about it. And then what happened is the 469 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.159 blogger, when you bought it, did you know that it had that story 470 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.719 in it? Well, I probably browsed and you know, yeah, and 471 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.039 that's why I bought it. And I bought another issue that contained some UFO 472 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:50.360 cases in Argentina and elsewhere with nice illustrations and so on. Then what happened 473 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.079 I kind of forgotten it was it was buried in my files. And then 474 00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:00.559 what happened is the blogger with LPMPO. Lpmple is the most famous Columbian newspaper 475 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.400 published it on the web maybe about a year ago or so, and then 476 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.000 a lot of people in the Latin they had never been translated in English, 477 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.800 by the way, so thanks to open minds, we put it in English 478 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.559 for the first time. But a lot of Spanish blogs in Latin America did 479 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:21.280 catch up, and I guess initially they thought it was it was a new 480 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.440 interview, but then eventually some researchers realized that it was an old one. 481 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:31.000 So we have their the complete story in English and also the original in Spanish 482 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.039 for anybody to see. Yeah, that's great. I mean it's it's not 483 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:39.199 new, but it is new to especially the English speaking world, because they 484 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.280 haven't been able to He never read it, and I don't know if have 485 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.599 you heard. I don't know if people have even known that he had spoken 486 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:52.599 about U of US. Probably not except maybe some old time researchers who have 487 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.800 good collections or something like that. But most that's why he caught up on 488 00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.679 the web on the Spanish words, because they thought, hey, I see 489 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:01.559 everyboy, you know Americas, even if you haven't read his books, you 490 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:06.719 know you've heard the name. He was also an ambassador of Columbia thing to 491 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.000 UNESCO. It's a really prominent figure. Now it's pretty old, but he's 492 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.440 still active. And he used to write newspaper columns. Well, he was 493 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.599 originally a journalist in the fifties. And actually I remember I used to read 494 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.920 some of his newspaper columns because they would be published in many Latin American newspapers, 495 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:27.840 and I remember that not on UFOs, but he did touch upon paranormal 496 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.840 or fortan subjects. I remember one particular column he wrote about ghost hitchhikers. 497 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.519 Oh really, yeah, which I saved and somewhere in my files, but 498 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.719 you know, I'll have to find. It's definitely an open mind, yeah, 499 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.840 oh yeah, yeah, definitely, And if you read your books, 500 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.079 you'll understand why. Because his books, even though they also have a lot 501 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:51.079 of social issues and historical issues about Latin America and you know, on economic 502 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.559 exploitation and things like that, but they are immersed in a sort of fantastic 503 00:38:54.800 --> 00:39:01.679 environment and they do have some paranormal phenomena too. It's interesting because a lot 504 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:07.320 of times these fiction writers who are great, you know, literary figures, 505 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:14.719 people assume that everything they're writing is metaphorical, right, but when you look 506 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.519 into it, a lot of times it's both. It's metaphor, but even 507 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.920 when they're using a paranormal phenomena, it's because it's something they're open to as 508 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.440 well. Obviously, anything that a writer writes, even if it's fiction, 509 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.519 you know, it's based on something some experience, doesn't have to be necessarily 510 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.400 something that he really lived by, the something he'd studied or researched or read 511 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:38.480 about it, or there's some reason right why he's putting it in the work 512 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:43.199 of fiction. But the other great thing about the story is that it's great 513 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.000 to bring up, you know, to people who think that, oh, 514 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.559 only crazy people or crap, what's you know believe in UFOs? Well, 515 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.039 this is a Nobel Prize winner in literature, one of the most prominent writers 516 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.719 in the twentieth century, you know, and not just being he's not even 517 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.400 being adigous saying well maybe you hoot say if he says, and he also 518 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.280 says that he believes there at the restaural you know, he says it just 519 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.280 upfront. And the other thing that I love about finding stuff like this is 520 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.039 that just like I didn't think we had you on before, and we've talked 521 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.039 about or I know on Coast to coast we talked about it, and we 522 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.599 wrote extensively on the files that came out with the UK. Some of them 523 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.800 knew, some of them not, but just showing some of the back and 524 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.639 forth between Lord hill Nor and Ralph Knows. And do you find from these 525 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.280 people who are very articulate, You find some great statements, right, you 526 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.519 know, like you said with Marquette talking about how it's kind of crazy not 527 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.000 to believe in this stuff, right, yeah? And uh, well, 528 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.239 and I don't know if you disgusted with Jason in the news section because I 529 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.559 only caught up on half of it. But our buddy the well, I 530 00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:52.119 wish it was our real buddy, but kind of our buddy, the Prince 531 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.559 Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh. He's back on the news. Oh really 532 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.440 you talked about it with the Yeah. What happened is a new biography was 533 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.559 published and it's about his early life, his early years. You know, 534 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.599 I get up to the point early in his marriage with Queen Elizabeth, and 535 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:13.719 there it is writing the introduction, his obsession practically with UFOs. Really, 536 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:15.920 yes, how they used to invite people, witnesses, and of course, 537 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:22.159 as you remember I wrote extensively about it about the time of the royal wedding, 538 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.079 right we had his series on our Weddit Is this an official authorized biography? 539 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.760 I don't know if it's authorized, but it's a real book by a 540 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.679 famous author and so on. And not that I've ever known him to be 541 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.320 shy about him, No, and he's always been quite actually quite a front. 542 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.039 And they mentioned stuff that of course we knew. I mean certainly I 543 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:45.280 knew, but probably a revelation to a lot of people that read the book 544 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.800 that he was a subscriber to Client Sausage Review, the famous British magazine, 545 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:57.280 that they even had witnesses come to Buckingham Palace to talk about UFOs, and 546 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.280 then that he had all these generals, including to Peter Hurstley, who was 547 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:07.239 his equery. Equery is an old term in British royalty. Basically it used 548 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.360 to be very important. It's like an aid. But equery comes from from 549 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.599 equestrian, right from horses. It was the guy in charge of the horses 550 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:15.599 in the time of the Kings, you know, the Middle Ages, so 551 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.480 there's an extremely important position because horses were transportation. Yeah, and in the 552 00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.119 title remain you know, given that the Royal peace tradition. So this this 553 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:31.119 one particular general who's later general in the Royal Air Force. He even claims, 554 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:35.320 and this was published and well in his own memoirs, but also in 555 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.280 a book by Timothy Good that he met a guy in an apartment in London 556 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.400 that claimed that it was an extra terrestrial and this guy at one time had 557 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.360 the codes for the nuclear weapons in the UK. So did they verify the 558 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:53.039 codes were real? He probably wouldn't. Actually the book they quoted some some 559 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:58.599 official, unnamed officials saying or if only people had known that the guy that 560 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.400 had the codes was uh, was seeing little green men. But of course 561 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.639 the nineties, so was not a little green men. You know, these 562 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.239 are the kinds of ridicule statements. You know. It was just discussed in 563 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:12.920 fact and the Nick Pope, you know, admitted that the mod the ministrip 564 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:17.719 defense as one way to minimize the importance of UFOs early. Yeah, little 565 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.679 yes, to call you belittle the right to call it, to call it 566 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:25.079 when it's is UFO spotters and and things like that. Little green men, 567 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.079 and there's a standard techniques, but it's just to say this is not so 568 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:35.159 important. However, when you read the files you realize that it is important. 569 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.920 Yeah, well cool, We've got a couple other great stories to get 570 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.559 to you. But before we talk about that, I wanted to get into 571 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:44.719 one, at least before we went back, and we got into a couple. 572 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.679 But the couple of conferences that you went to just a few weeks ago, 573 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.519 right, wasn't it you? No, it's just one Okay, Well, 574 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.679 well I well, yeah, I did go to another one, but 575 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.360 that was although I guess it's been since we've done the radio show. That 576 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.199 one was an interesting one. That was a few months ago. That was 577 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.719 the one in San Marino. Yeah, we talked about that one, but 578 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.440 yeah, I wanted to talk about Yeah, this one was a smaller one. 579 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:16.039 It's the Mysteries of Space and Sky uh And it was created by a 580 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:22.199 professor at a college there in Rondo, Maryland. But it's connected now with 581 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.519 Mufon and my friends, you know, Rob and Suswattek. They're the co 582 00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:30.239 sponsors. And but it's still Songwille connected to the college, although right now 583 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.679 it's not at the college but at at the hotel. And you still call 584 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.519 that professor and some of the students came, some of his students came, 585 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:43.880 and it was a one day affair. It was just a couple of weeks 586 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.159 ago. Do you know what it teaches? I get science, but I'm 587 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:52.880 not sure, but I guess it. I guess it is science. So, 588 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.599 you know, he and he's been pursuing this, but the college initially 589 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.679 they did go along, but they were reluctant. So finally they decided they 590 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.559 were always putting too many obstacles, so finally they decided to just do it 591 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.960 done the wrong way, you know. And it was one day affair, 592 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:14.719 was not too big, but it was a very nice conference. And they 593 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.920 had you know, a few of the local people from move On and so 594 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.880 on in the Washington, Decei, Virginia and Maryland area. And the best 595 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.920 known speaker, you know, I mean besides Open Mindes was George Snapp, 596 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:32.039 of course, you know, the Kreless TV reporters, and we've done his 597 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.159 show in Coast to Coast many times, and he of course talked about the 598 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:42.400 ranch you know in Utah, can Walker Ranch, and it was quite quite 599 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:46.199 fascinating. Now you did you talk about Marquez there? I don't believe I 600 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:50.000 did, because usually I know you like to cover a few stuffs. I 601 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:55.000 did talk about a recent story that it was basically the same lecture that I 602 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:58.320 it's sort of my official lecture, you know, the one I did for 603 00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:02.000 the Congress the International Prison Spectacles who followed in the twenty first century, where 604 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:07.960 I discussed the South American agencies, which I wrote extensively about in both in 605 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.559 the web and in the magazine. And a lot of the other stories I 606 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:16.760 covered in the magazine, the Rockefeller Initiative, the Vatican in the United Nations, 607 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.639 a little bit about the French space program, ufull Desk, and a 608 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.400 couple of other things. But I did add one slide because I thought this 609 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.000 was a significant story which somehow didn't catch as much attention as I would have 610 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:36.039 hoped, which was the ciding that I discovered by Luisa Terria, the former 611 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.679 president of Mexico. Right that perfect segway into that going south of the border, 612 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.800 let's head south and talk about this side, because you know what's funny, 613 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.960 It's just like we're talking with Jason a minute ago and talking about these 614 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.840 stories we're talking about now. I mean, these are the stories that should 615 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.840 be getting a lot of attention by the pressure talking about credible people, incredible 616 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.960 circumstances. You know, it's really great stuff, but it really doesn't gain 617 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.960 much ground, no, because there's so much sensationalism and yeah, vocal stories, 618 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.239 they're no floating around. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to 619 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.679 make fun of I don't want to. I don't like, as people know 620 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:14.920 on the show, I don't like to make fun of people or anything. 621 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.559 But you know, I'll mention at least a story going around that just is 622 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.199 so wild and out there. And Mars, yeah you mention, you know, 623 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:28.119 Obama two people claiming that they spotted Obama on Mars. I know, 624 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.480 and I mean, come on, and it's just the kind of story that 625 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.440 really kills the credibility of will follows you. You know, I know it's 626 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.760 a minority, but sometimes they're vocal, and they're all over the web. 627 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.679 But we have these you know, you don't even need to We have all 628 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:49.400 of these other great stories that I wish God sometimes don't get the level of 629 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:53.639 attention that something like this Obama Mars story gets. But you know, let's 630 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:59.159 talk about the president of Mexico and this story. Yeah, well this, 631 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:07.400 of course Chia was with the Pira you know, the what is called the 632 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.840 Revolutionary Institutional Party, basically the party that was created as a result of the 633 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:15.519 Mexican Revolution, which ruled Mexico all through out up to until Fox. We 634 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:21.199 sent the Fox with the elected once the elections became real, more democratic, 635 00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.679 and finally they had a very still a very prominent party of course in Mexico, 636 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:30.039 and he was the president of Mexico in the most of the nineteen seventies. 637 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.880 I remember you liked this part of the story. The story came through 638 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.840 a prominent Mexican anthologist, very old now. He was the generation before Kinie 639 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.039 Ausan. His name is Pedro Ferreis, and he used to be a famous 640 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:49.480 broadcaster. Fact, he had been president of Mexico's National Association of Broadcasters at 641 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.800 one time, and he had written many books on UFOs. He was, 642 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.000 like I said, the main guy in Mexico in the seventies and eighties. 643 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.639 Then came in in the nineties and he still acted that he's very old now. 644 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:07.280 So he was telling a story that when It's Aria was president, they 645 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:10.559 used to have a breakfast I don't know, every six months or so with 646 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.480 all the broadcasters. It was an informal meeting. It was not on the 647 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.000 air, you know, it was just for the president to meet all the 648 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.239 broadcasters and I guess, you know, discuss, you know, what was 649 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.400 going on in politics and in the country and so on. So they had 650 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:31.679 this breakfast I think it was in nineteen seventy four, and fies was of 651 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:37.840 course there, and everybody knew that Ferriese was involved in UFOs because he had 652 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.920 been very vocal and had published books and done many radio programs and so on. 653 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.119 So at one point, the subject of UFOs come into the conversation, 654 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.079 and the other journalists are making light of the subject, you know, they're 655 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.280 like beginning to kind of make jokes, and then he looked like it was 656 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.400 going to go in that direction. And then the president says, I've seen 657 00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.639 a UFO and then everybody like stops h saying is it kidding or what? 658 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:07.039 And then he just straightforward tells a story that he didn't get the date, 659 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.440 and I had to kind of investigate and put it together. As it turned 660 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.239 out, the sighting was in the nineteen sixties when he was not the president, 661 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.440 but he was the Minister of the Interior, which is the number two 662 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.920 job in Mexico. There is no vice president in Mexico, so the secretary 663 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.960 of government actually they call it in Mexico. So if something happens with the 664 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.840 president, then the secretary government becomes so it's the number two job. And 665 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.360 of course after that he became the president. So he was already an extremely 666 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:42.719 prominent politician. And he was at a home that he owned in Guernavaca, 667 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.400 and he was there with his wife and with a lady whose name right now 668 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.639 I forgot, but it's in our website story who was the founder, was 669 00:50:52.679 --> 00:51:00.440 a prominent dancer, was the founder of the Mexico's national ballet. Name here 670 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:05.159 I got ya, Amalia Amalia Amalia Nandas. Yeah, we have a nice 671 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.760 picture of her dancing and everything. So they were there and then suddenly there 672 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:14.679 was a blackout in corner Laca. Everything went dark. And this is a 673 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.800 little bit reminiscent equally of that famous story that we discussed in the program to 674 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.079 the one in Argentina. Remember at that town in Argentina when people saw the 675 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:28.119 ufo near the dance, So the same kind of thing. There's a blackout 676 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.639 and then the witnesses in this case, the president, Amalia Nandez is white 677 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:37.000 as well as the neighbor see the cigar shaped object on the sky, and 678 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:45.199 they're there they describe it. So it was like an illuminated pen now once 679 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.639 I so I had to do a little bit of a research on the web 680 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.280 and also on my files to try to put together when was the date of 681 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.199 this occurrence, because from the article it appeared that it had happened only like 682 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.559 a couple of months before this breakfast. But as it turned out, the 683 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.519 only case that was the blackout in Querlaca, which a widespread utifol sighting was 684 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:13.480 I believe in nineteen sixty five. It's in the web article, and so 685 00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.840 it had to be that. And this sighting not only was seen by the 686 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:21.880 Chevalria and Amaliornandez, but also by everybody that it was somebody in that city, 687 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.000 by the mayor, by the chief of the army in that in that 688 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:29.920 area, and by the governor of the state, among others, and they 689 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.280 all saw this during they also did yeah, because what happened is there were 690 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:37.280 two events going on. One was a dinner at at the Lions Club. 691 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.119 So when things went dark, I guess people went outside to see what's going 692 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:44.280 on, and there they saw it. And the other people. The governor 693 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.920 and some of the other officials were attending a special screening of the movie in 694 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.960 a downtown theater in Querlaca. Obviously, the blackout happens, the movie is 695 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.360 done, you know everything, they can't, you know, the projection stop. 696 00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:59.840 So again they go out and they see this thing. And this was 697 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.039 reported in the press at the time, but not it's a reasciting that because 698 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.360 girl was in his house and he didn't tell anybody at the time, or 699 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.840 maybe he told French, but I mean he didn't. He didn't tell any 700 00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:15.599 eternals or anything. So that story didn't go public until many years later, 701 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.920 thanks to Ferries. So a nice story came out. Was it a big 702 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.480 gill in Mexico? I don't think so. Ferrees mentioned it in one of 703 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:29.960 his books, but only in passing, doesn't give any description. And then 704 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:36.039 I discovered in the in the website, the official website of Mexico's Association of 705 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.679 Broadcasters. He has a blog there and he published it there. But I 706 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:44.000 didn't see that it got picked up by a lot of people either. I 707 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:47.079 founded by happenstance, as it usually happens. I was looking for something else 708 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.079 and I saw the link and I ended up in that story. Actually I 709 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.320 ended up in another website that had a mirror. You know, I had 710 00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:01.480 published that story that only partially, so eventually I found it the actual official 711 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:06.760 story, which again the link is in our website for those who read Spanish, 712 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.239 and there is. But no, I don't think it got a lot 713 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:17.079 of attention, even even in Mexico. Is Eacheveria does he? Is he 714 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:21.199 still alive? I believe so. I mean as far as I could tell 715 00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:24.880 him the web, he's obviously very old now, but yeah, I couldn't 716 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:29.719 see no obituary. He's still alive. Yeah, that would be neat to 717 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.960 see if you would talk about that again because ex presidents. Of course, 718 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.559 we have Grant Cameron and president w UFO dot com writing about the presidents. 719 00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:43.239 We've written all about. Yeah, with the American president, American rec Carter 720 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.280 and Reagan, I mean at least they are on the record. Yeah, 721 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.840 it's interesting now have the Mexican president now one of them. Do you know 722 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:54.880 of any other Mexican presidents or not even South American presidents. Well, there 723 00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.920 was a case with the President of Chile, Frey Fray, because there was 724 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:05.039 a free father also in the nineteen sixty was the famous president. So, 725 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.480 but this one is interesting because they didn't really notice the UFO. What happened 726 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:15.599 was that this was in the mid nineties and I don't recall it exact day, 727 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:20.599 but I have it in my fire and he was had gone to some 728 00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.280 official duty in the south of Chile and I guess they were opening the sports 729 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:29.199 conflict, I think. So they were playing soccer and the president himself, 730 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.000 you know, when it was playing with the ball, and a lot of 731 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.119 people were taking pictures because I mean, when you get a chance to play 732 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.960 soccer with the president doesn't happen every day. So people were taking pictures of 733 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:43.199 the scene rather than looking at the sky when the pictures were developed, And 734 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.840 what's interesting is that it appeared in all the different pictures taken by different photographers, 735 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:51.239 so it was not a camera at thefact. That's interesting. And when 736 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.760 the pictures were developed, you see the president here playing and all that, 737 00:55:53.920 --> 00:56:00.280 and sure enough above in the sky there's a UFO and so but he didn't 738 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.639 see it. But later in a famous TV program that was broadcast by the 739 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:08.280 Chilean National UFO broadcast, which was a very large production. Actually I worked 740 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.480 on that too. I arranged all the American interviews for them, the interview 741 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.880 President Fray, and he went on the record and he told the story and 742 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.360 he said, no, I didn't see it, but the pictures were taken 743 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.599 and he said, in the in the photos and the negatives I get those 744 00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.840 who are not still not digital cameras were taken to the Presidential Palace and they 745 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.079 were looked by the by the photographic experts of the Presidential Palace. Wow. 746 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.599 And as far as we know, it was a UFO was not identified. 747 00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.320 Wow. What did the object look like? It was not terribly detailed, 748 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.400 but it was. It was some kind of this I should publish on the 749 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.159 web there. Yeah, that's a great story. That's a great story. 750 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.639 Yeah, yeah, we will put it. I have I have several of 751 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.960 the pictures it made on the news and Chile. Eventually it was published in 752 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.360 various magazines and all that and the fact that it was and I have the 753 00:56:55.400 --> 00:57:00.079 statement from from Frey in the interview that he did with Naos was a famous 754 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:07.280 TV broadcaster in Chile. So that's one, and there's others. But I 755 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:14.079 know that Koobishek, the famous president of Brazil, who was the founder of 756 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:17.599 Brazilia. He is the one that conceived idea of moving the capital to the 757 00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:22.320 interior of Brazil because up to that point Brazil had always existed around the coast 758 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:28.079 and the rest was just forest. So he was a very important figure in 759 00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.360 Brazilian history. I don't know that he had a UFO siding, but he's 760 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.760 the one, and this is well known, that released the Kreem Daddy Island 761 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:40.719 photographs. You know, the famous case which to this day there's controversy tody 762 00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.679 to this day. Every so often someone comes and explains it as a hoax, 763 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:51.639 but obviously not convincingly enough because a year later someone else explains that the 764 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:55.400 folks again, or someone defends it or whatever. But it was taken by 765 00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:01.679 this famous photographer. Barauna had on board the navy ship, the Brazilian navy 766 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:08.360 ship off the Trindadi Island that the ship was called the Almirante Saldana and when 767 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.400 it was seen by other witnesses. So even if the photos were a hoax, 768 00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.920 because Barauna was a very skill photographer, this was the argument that he 769 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.639 could have hoaxed easily because he had the skills. But nevertheless, there was 770 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.000 a sighting. So the siding is still true, you know, even if 771 00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:29.559 the photos were hoax. So at the time, I guess he gave the 772 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.679 negatives and everything to the navy, and the Brazilian Navy did a secret investigation. 773 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.639 They were not released to the public, and they gave the dosie to 774 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.719 the president and the president said, this is too important to keep secret. 775 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:45.039 I wish other presidents and unaware would follow this. And he rebuilt it to 776 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.079 the president and he made front page headlines. And so he played an important 777 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.000 role in rphology. But I don't know that he himself had a siding, 778 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.039 but he was definitely interested. And uh, and there are other cases like 779 00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.000 that. Yeah, sure so. And if people go to the Google Trinidad 780 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.840 Island UFO, oh yeah, you'll you'll find it, and you'll probably if 781 00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:08.400 you've been in this field or Peru's UFO photos like many of you have, 782 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:13.719 you probably recognize it. Oh you've anybody that's been in this field is one 783 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:15.760 of the most famous. And besides, so we published a long story, 784 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:22.840 remember because I discovered in a document by Barajuna himself that was not even known 785 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:27.719 in Brazil. What happened is he had written this two page statement and sent 786 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.000 it to my old body, you know, mentor Coleman Vonkedinsky in New York. 787 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:37.400 And there was even a drawing and everything and uh. And this was 788 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:43.800 in Portuguese and in this when I published it in our website, we translated 789 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.280 it, uh to English. But we also had the original document and it 790 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:51.880 kind of caused a frenzy in Brazil because here was an original document taken by 791 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.519 the written by the photographer that they had never seen. Yeah, so I 792 00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:00.159 was contacted, I remember, like Jedi ed and they asked permission to we 793 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:04.119 shared and so on. And I guess the photographer was a character and there 794 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.519 is not a credible person. And I guess, although they say he possibly 795 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:13.480 used two spoons together. So it's a tough if it's okay, And there 796 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.960 these alleged confessions, but the confessions are always ambiguous, you know, so 797 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:22.320 who knows? So the debate, rage of debate goes on. Yeah, 798 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.679 interesting, great, you know, saying down south but moving back into Mexico 799 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.440 as we take our UFO travels around south of the border, is uh some 800 01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:37.239 of you know. Jason and I again have talked about this in the last 801 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.840 few shows because it's been a lot of news. This documentary on twenty two 802 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.480 twelve, if you had done some investigation on that, and you also gave 803 01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:51.559 essentially in a nutshell, how the twenty twelve phenomena right came to be. 804 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:57.239 Uh So, maybe let's talk about that first, the history of the twenty 805 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:01.039 twelve, well, really the history the twenty twelve first of all for those 806 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.199 who don't know, although I guess by now most people should know. But 807 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.559 the twenty twelve is the end of this cycle, right of the Mayan calendar, 808 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:14.840 which is the five thousand and two hundred or something five thousand and something 809 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.559 cycle, and it's the end of the last back to that Tom is one 810 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:24.239 hundred and forty four thousand days, I believe, So it ends, and 811 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:29.320 there's the one. Of course, there are a million interpretations of what this 812 01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.360 means. And some people think it's the end of the world. Other people 813 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:36.000 think aliens are going to land, other people think that nothing's going to happen, 814 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.559 and there's absolutely no agreement there. But there's one agreement though. Everybody 815 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:47.920 agrees that the mathematical calculation is correct and that the calendar ends on late December 816 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:54.360 of twenty twelve, and that just a mathematical thing. What does it mean 817 01:01:54.679 --> 01:02:00.239 that is something else? I would say that this hope enough man. Interesting 818 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.199 enough. It was not started in Mexico, but it was started by gringos. 819 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:07.599 He started in the United States. And now, of course the Mexicans 820 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:13.360 have gone along because you know, it's going to bring this especially lately. 821 01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.079 Yeah, it's going to bring the income for them. So they're they're they're 822 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:20.320 definitely going along with it now. And in the article I wrote, I 823 01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:25.320 quoted extensively from a speech by Philippe Calderon, the current President of Mexico, 824 01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:31.039 about when he inaugurated the Mayan World Program. And this is a big program 825 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:37.599 to promote tourism basically and create infrastructure and everything you know in the Mayan Well, 826 01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:43.880 it's called the Mayan Riviera Area, which includes Yugatan and other states in 827 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:50.360 Mexico, as well as what Temala on Duras and Belisa. But to go 828 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.760 back a little bit to the history of twenty twelve, I think that the 829 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:58.199 real pioneer of it was and he passed away, I believe earlier this year 830 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:01.519 or maybe last year, but recently. It was a nine called Jose Algueys. 831 01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:06.519 You might have heard of him. He was a professor and he was 832 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:12.280 a man interested in consciousness raising and suddenly a very forward thinking type of person, 833 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:17.400 and he came up with a concept back in nineteen eighty eight called the 834 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:22.360 harmonic convergence, and this was at the time presented as the beginning of the 835 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:27.760 end, the beginning of the cycle that would culminate it in twenty twelve. 836 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:34.880 Now, basically our Gaius was a more agg metaphysical character in his opinion, 837 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:37.719 even though he was not opposed to the idea of alience. Actually, in 838 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:43.039 some of his writings he did talk about aliens as well, but mainly what 839 01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:46.679 he was saying is that this is going to be a shift in consciousness for 840 01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.400 mankind, which still a lot of New Age people believe in. Didn't that 841 01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.119 have to deal with the coming of the Age of Aquarius, Wasn't that? 842 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.599 Well? It is somewhat related, but different because the Age of Aquarius is 843 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:04.119 based on the Western zodiac, so which is which we received from the Greeks, 844 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:09.519 which in turn the Greeks got it from the Babylonians and probably goes all 845 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:13.280 the way back to the Sumerians. But it is the Maya is a different 846 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:16.079 tradition unless you go with the ancient alien theory. You know, I thought 847 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:21.000 the harmonic CONVERGENCELF had to do it. Harmonic conversions is strictly with the mayacony, 848 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:27.000 so they don't have a song like the Aquarius one, no I really 849 01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.360 want besides the age of Aquarius. It's only a change of era, you 850 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.920 know, whereas the mayacond there is the bigger thing. It's the end of 851 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.760 the whole cycle. It would be equivalent in the in the astrological tradition, 852 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:43.920 in the Western astrological tradition where they call the platonic year, and that's that 853 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:48.519 is the complete cycle of the of the twelve houses. Once once the twelve 854 01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:54.079 houses have gone by, which is about twenty five thousand years, then bank 855 01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:58.119 that's the big cycle, and the minor cycle is a change of era, 856 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.119 though it's still a big thing because they over two thousand years and then you 857 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:08.480 get this on this yeah is coming and it's also there's because of this phenomenon 858 01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:13.280 of procession, you know, it's not an exact thing. It takes over 859 01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.880 a period of like one hundred years, one hundred and fifty years for the 860 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:20.039 pernira to change into another. It's sort of a phasing in. So the 861 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:26.400 harmonic convergent, cormonic con convergence. What was that, Well, that was, 862 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.239 like I said, the beginning of the beginning of the cycle of the 863 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:34.679 final cycle that would end on twenty twelve, so the cycle between nineteen eighty 864 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:40.920 eight and twenty twelve, and among others. The person that was very much 865 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.199 into this was Shirley McLane, and I remember I had a connection. That's 866 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:48.800 how I came to meet her. Because Shirley McLane had this. We had 867 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.760 a friend in common, which was this astrologer, Marchillo Galoupe, who also 868 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:57.719 passed away, who's a very well known astrologer, great astrologer. That's why 869 01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:01.639 she was using it. And she was giving her seminars on raising consciousness, 870 01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.000 you know, her New Age seminars back then, which we used to attract 871 01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:09.760 thousands of people. But then she decided that this was taking too much of 872 01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:13.840 her attention, so she stopped and went back to making movies, although she 873 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.840 remained interested personally, but at that time she was really becoming like a gurgle, 874 01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:21.239 like a New Age gurgule. So this was nineteen eighty eight and she 875 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:27.239 asked Marcello Galupi to give a little talk as part of her seminar. This 876 01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:32.679 was at the Sheraton Hotel in Manhattan to describe to talk about the harmonic convergence. 877 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:38.239 So he did and as a result that he was appearing there as a 878 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.880 as a guest speaker. He said, you can bring whoever friends you want. 879 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.119 So he called me, I remember, so you want to go to 880 01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:45.960 the Erley Night leb which used to cost hundreds of dollars, you know back 881 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.119 then, you want to come to sery Knight. Then sure, I want 882 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:51.880 to come, of course, And that's how And then at the end of 883 01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:58.000 the seminar we all ended up at her apartment with sitching Remember we had the 884 01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:02.360 picture of Zacharia Sitchin and that our Hollywood magazine, right in our Hollywood magazine, 885 01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:06.599 and the profile I wrote about her. So that's basically it. And 886 01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:11.960 since then, of course, in nineteen eighty eight, of course two twelve 887 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:14.960 was still too much in the future, so people weren't talking too much. 888 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:19.800 But although some people were still researching it. But then came two thousand. 889 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:23.679 There was a lot of expectation for two thousand. Remember the end of the 890 01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:28.519 world, the UFOs are going to land, yeah, computers, yeah, 891 01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.639 And of course none of that happened, and so then after that was done, 892 01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:36.159 then what's the next you know, doomsday date the Maya calendar, and 893 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:42.519 that became BIGS and then that's when that whole movement started and the people started 894 01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:46.840 writing books and actually calling Andrews the prominent crop circle research. It was one 895 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.360 of the first ones who wrote a book for the Idiots Guide. This came 896 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.320 a few years ago. And of course it's going to be a speaker at 897 01:07:54.360 --> 01:08:00.400 our congress, our chance to plug the Congress. Remember the UFO International Old 898 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.840 cong International UFO Congress, right, I got that backwards in late February. 899 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:08.840 You can go and register right now. And Colin Andrews is not only speaking 900 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:11.440 about crop circles, you know, he's also going to be part of a 901 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.239 panel to talk about twenty twelve because he literally wrote the Dummies Guide he does. 902 01:08:15.399 --> 01:08:18.479 Yeah, exactly. That's so funny too because he's a crop circle guy, 903 01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.920 but he wrote but he was always interested in consciousness too, and I 904 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.199 think it's one of these angles now on crop circles as well. And I'm 905 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:30.600 sure I mail talk about that. Yeah. Timon sounds really into especially lately, 906 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:35.239 and he talked about this last time at the Congress about crop circles and 907 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:40.000 their relation at twenty twelve. Correct, Yeah, kind is a total believer 908 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.520 in twenty twelve, and he thinks that something big is going to happen and 909 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.560 it's going to be connected with Aliens and the Mayans, the Ians, and 910 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:50.760 thinking, of course, what's interesting, and I pointed out in my story 911 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:55.960 because these people that are doing the movie or the documentary, which are the 912 01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:01.880 sons of two famous people. One is Julia Levy, who is the son 913 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:05.920 of the of the lady actors, Julia, and the other one is Juan 914 01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:12.199 Carlos Rueful, who's the Mexican guy who is the director. Julia Levy is 915 01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:15.079 a producer, and Rueful is the son of one Rutheful, who is a 916 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:20.760 very prominent Mexican writer, very well known in uh in in In in Latin 917 01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:25.000 culture, you know, one of the big writers. Also the same generation 918 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:30.800 of atri Americus. And so these people have been putting these press releases through 919 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:35.960 this outfit in in in Hollywood, the rap, it's called the Rap, 920 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:40.600 and they're basically hyping, you know, this story is saying that they're going 921 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:45.760 to have all these revelations from the Mexican government about secrets that the Mexican government 922 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:49.039 has been holding. And at least they have one official that's gone along, 923 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:54.840 which is the Minister of Tourism in Campeche State, which is kind of a 924 01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:58.520 young guy, an average guy, and I think he's gone along because he 925 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.720 said, Hey, what the hell, you know, I'm the minut Tourism. 926 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.079 This is gonna bring This is going to bring people. But the more 927 01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:10.439 you look at it, I don't believe it. Mexico has a very strong 928 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:15.079 archaeological community for the reason that they have such fascinating ruins, you know, 929 01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.640 and such an important ancient history. So they got it. And all these 930 01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:24.640 institutes are funded by the government. Many of them are connected to the UNAM, 931 01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:28.680 which is the National Autonomous University of Mexico, and they have all these 932 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:33.800 prominent archaeologists and they, along with the archeologists in the United States and Britain 933 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:39.439 and elsewhere, they're very skeptical of this whole twenty twelve phenomenon. The official 934 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:44.520 view of mainstream is that it's just like a switch over, you know, 935 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:46.600 you end the cycle. It's like a restart in their computer. You end 936 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:50.319 the cycle and it starts again. Like December thirty first to January first, 937 01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:59.079 right, that's what the official Mexican archaeological people are saying now. And that's 938 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:02.439 as well. Now, if the Mexican government had artifacts or things like that, 939 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:09.680 which is what the people in the express relisits are saying, why release 940 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:13.479 it to the documentary done by Americans. It doesn't make sense. They would 941 01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.039 go through their own archaeological community, would be properly vetted according to you know, 942 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:24.720 to procedures for archeological discoveries. Obviously they're getting some support because that movie 943 01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:28.920 is part of the Mayan World program, and in the sense that they are 944 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:32.680 allowing them to film in ruins, and they're allowing them to film in certain 945 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:38.399 you know, any monument in the world, or museum for that matter, 946 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:42.159 always have areas that are off the public, right. There are always areas. 947 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:45.000 When you go to palain k any of these cities, Maya cities, 948 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:47.279 some of which I have visited, you can see some pyramids and things, 949 01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:53.159 but others you can because the archaeologists are working or they're under repair or whatever. 950 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.560 And same thing in museums. Museums have basements right full of stuff that 951 01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:01.159 is not in public view. So I think that in that sense, yes, 952 01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:05.760 they are getting corporation from the Mexican government to allow them to film in 953 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:11.920 certain locations and to maybe film certain artifacts that are not on public display, 954 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.880 but that they're gonna reveal big alien secrets. I don't think so. In 955 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:20.279 fact, they also quoted the Minister of Tourism from Guatenala. It's not called 956 01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:26.439 the Ministry of Tourism by the Tourism Institute, National Institute, something like that, 957 01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:29.279 but it would be equivalent to the Ministry of Tourism, a man called 958 01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.680 Novielo, I think his name, And this happened after I published my two 959 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:39.479 piece series, although I probably will do an update on that, and basically 960 01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:44.520 the guy he was quoted also saying that the Guatemalan government also had secrets that 961 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.600 were going to be releasing the movies. And the guy came with the statement, 962 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.119 with the public statement in Spanish, of course, saying I never said 963 01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:55.800 such thing. You know we have those, you know, we don't have 964 01:12:55.880 --> 01:13:00.479 any secrets about aliens or whatever. So that, yeah, that was denied, 965 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.079 not the Minister of puism in Mexico or Campecha, not not the whole 966 01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:08.359 state of not the whole country, but he didn't deny it, so obviously 967 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:13.800 he did say those statements. Well, and it is interesting that at least 968 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:20.239 I haven't seen yet that they made some pretty lofty claims of what Stephen Hawkings 969 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:27.439 had said according to them. Uh, and there hasn't been a denial right 970 01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:31.359 Hackings camp, but that he said something like, well, you know, 971 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:35.399 even if these aliens were talking, no, something more like, although the 972 01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:41.079 aliens were talking to the Mayans, doesn't mean that if they were their friends, 973 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.159 they're going to be our friends and we have to be careful, which 974 01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:48.359 doesn't actually sound like he doesn't talk like that really, but it goes a 975 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:53.920 little bit along with his Remember his famous statement that aliens are if they if 976 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.840 they exist, there's some kind of scavengers or something. Yeah. Well, 977 01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:01.960 they claim these guys wholly and ruleful, that they're going to be interviewing all 978 01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:08.760 these prominent people, including members of the church and former presidents, and you 979 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.319 know, but I mean, I'm sure they're going they will interview a lot 980 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.239 of people. But they're also hyping it, you know, which is quite 981 01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:17.199 any movie producer would do. I mean, there's nothing unusual about that. 982 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:20.960 What I'm really worried about is that this is going to be a fourth time 983 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:28.840 situation where they're making all this step up for some viral marketing and then later 984 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:32.279 on it turns out that it's not actually a real documentary but kind of a 985 01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:36.880 mockumentary. It could be. And if that happens that the thing is is 986 01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:42.159 that lots of people in the twenty twelve community I'll get real upset, But 987 01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:45.279 the general public really doesn't. You know, people will think, oh, 988 01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:47.399 what a great marketing scheme. Yeah, I hated that fourth kind thing. 989 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.520 You know, I don't mind even even if you're going to be sensationalists or 990 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.119 whatever, but at least be clear, you know, well, this is 991 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:58.520 a documentary or this is fiction or hype it whatever. That goes through the 992 01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:02.640 territory. But to p that you're doing a documentary when it's a fictional movie, 993 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:06.399 because it just confuses people. He confuses the people, I mean, 994 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:11.159 not the researchers who are familiar with the subject, but the general public, 995 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:14.640 you know, and then it just models the water, and then you don't 996 01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:18.720 know what's true what's false. So yeah, I hope it won't be something 997 01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:21.800 like that, but I guess we won't know. Yeah, we won't know. 998 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:28.560 But it's really interesting getting back to the Mexican president talking about the mindset. 999 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:31.479 Didn't they even put something about that in their pressure. Well, they 1000 01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.720 did talk about the end of the calendar, yes, even in this official 1001 01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:39.720 speech, which we call it extensively in my article, and we also have 1002 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:45.039 the link to the actually of the the you know, the presidential website in 1003 01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:48.439 Mexico with the actual speech but in Spanish. And yeah, he did talk 1004 01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:53.279 to the too. He did talk. He did address the the end of 1005 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:57.439 the Maya calendar, and uh didn't talk about Alias, but he did talk 1006 01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.800 about the end of my calendar and saying, well, many people are but 1007 01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:02.920 even there you could see the pr angle. You said, many people are, 1008 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:06.840 you know, in great expectation about the end of the my calendar. 1009 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:11.720 So come to Mexico. You know, our doors are open. See it 1010 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.119 from here where it all happened, you know. So I don't blame the 1011 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.520 Mexican government. I mean, if I was, you know, the Minister 1012 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:21.960 of Tourism, I would do exactly the same thing. It's a great hype. 1013 01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:27.600 They didn't even created it. They're just going along. And why not, 1014 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.239 No, for sure, because you know, even though I don't think 1015 01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:34.560 anything catastrophic is going to happen, I think I agree that it'll probably just 1016 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:40.640 be what it is originally. I think it's even intended by the miend. 1017 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:45.840 It's just a change in calendar like December January. But it would be really 1018 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.520 cool and I would love to be at some Mayan ruin, you know, 1019 01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:54.039 on New Year's when that happens, just for fun and just to be there. 1020 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:56.880 There is a sociological aspect, you know, I mean, and I 1021 01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.840 don't completely rule out that at a subtle level they might see some change of 1022 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:03.479 consciousness or something, because a five thousand year cycle, I mean, that's 1023 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:08.680 that is something. But whereas a lot of confusion tools and what the so 1024 01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:12.479 called Mayan prophecies, right, A lot of people talk about the Mayan prophecies, 1025 01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:15.760 but the calendar, it's not a prophecy. The calendar is a strictly 1026 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:20.199 mathematical thing. And of course the Mayas were famous for both their astronomy and 1027 01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:25.159 their mathematics. One of the things that in fact the Mexican President mentioned is 1028 01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:29.439 that they invented the number zero. That would be an invention by the Mayas, 1029 01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:33.119 didn't the Romans didn't have number zero. I think in India also they 1030 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:38.039 did it simultaneously, but the Mayas came up on their own with the number 1031 01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:44.039 zero, so they were This whole thing is the mathematical construct. Now there 1032 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:48.800 are some real Mayan prophecies too, but not in the sense that people are 1033 01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:56.319 writing. They're more like cosmological things. And their their compilations, usually put 1034 01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:59.960 down in the colonial period. And one is known as the Book of Chia 1035 01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.760 Lambalam and the other one is known as the Popol Wu. These are two 1036 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:10.159 books written in Maya Quiche language and put together in the eighteenth century seventeenth century 1037 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:14.279 by Maya themselves, you know, but already in colonial times. Other than 1038 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:17.439 that, they are the Codis the famous Courtises. But they're only about four 1039 01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:21.079 or five are left. I mean, maybe there was a book of prophecies, 1040 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:26.800 but as we know, unfortunately the Spanish priests burned them all except the 1041 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:31.000 couple that were survived and were sent to European museums and now they're dressed and 1042 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.680 madridds on. But unfortunately they because it was a method, you know, 1043 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:41.079 in their conquest. So there really are no doomsday prophecies, no, and 1044 01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:45.680 they are in some of the Mayan cottages. They are astrological predictions, but 1045 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.600 their much shorter term. There are certainly not doomsday prophecies. No, and 1046 01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:55.640 that's that's the most difficult part because you hear all about these doomsday prophety prophecies. 1047 01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:00.520 You have a twenty twelve movie right all about this doomsday ste which is 1048 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:05.800 really Yeah, even though in Mayan history there is a doomsday, there are 1049 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:11.319 two doomsdays as far as they're concerned. The first one is the most mysterious. 1050 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:15.439 It happened around the year nine hundred AD and is the end of the 1051 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:21.159 classical Mayan civilization. And as you know, for some reason which science and 1052 01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:27.800 astronomy and archeology they don't know yet for sure what happened, they abandoned all 1053 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.399 these cities. Yeah, just kind of took that. Yeah, it's not 1054 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.119 like the people left, because the people are there to this day, but 1055 01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:40.520 there's political construct collapsed. That's why the cities were so well preserved, because 1056 01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:45.800 they abandoned them and then they were eaten by the jungle and they were rediscovered 1057 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.359 right after. But the Spanish never destroyed them because by the time the Spanish 1058 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:54.920 came in six hundred years later, they were gone. So then you have 1059 01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:59.279 the new civilization, the new Maya civilization, which was with an influx from 1060 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.600 the tok Dex, the politics from Mexico. They joined hands with whatever was 1061 01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:06.520 left of the Mayas and they created a new Maya civilization. And this is 1062 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:14.319 connected with that great mysterious character sort of the Mexican messiah Kittsaguado, which also 1063 01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.159 gets mentioned in the twenty twelve, you know, the Return of Katsaguado. 1064 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:24.039 All that which Cortis used cleverly the Spanish conquistador. As soon as they arrived, 1065 01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:29.239 he heard from the people he was conquering, and well, actually he 1066 01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:34.479 had a mistress, Malinche, the famous character in Mexican history, and because 1067 01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:39.319 she was his interpreter by that, she also became his mistress. Because we 1068 01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:43.079 have to understand that the Aztecs had subdued a lot of people too, and 1069 01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:45.840 they were using them for their human sacrifices and things like that. So when 1070 01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:51.039 the Spanish came, many of the other subdue nations they saw them as saviors. 1071 01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:55.880 Actually here were people that were, you know, basically liberating them from 1072 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.800 their you know, their masters. So they went along and that's why Court 1073 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.960 had a very small army suddenly had thousands of Indians fighting for him too. 1074 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:10.079 So he learned about these prophecies of Katzakuado, Thattsakuado, this profit from the 1075 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:14.600 ancient Gays, I was supposed to return and he had come from the west, 1076 01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:18.039 and he was bearded because this being a ruthless but a very clever guy, 1077 01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:24.560 immediately saw the potential done God and support has had his armor that glistened 1078 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:28.680 exactly. Plus of course they had fire weapons and of firearms, and they 1079 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:32.680 had horses, and their horses terrified the Mexicans. And I did, as 1080 01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:35.560 you know, a lot of research on this because I wrote this was in 1081 01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:40.039 the early issues of the magazine, and I will be talking about this and 1082 01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:43.800 my next presentation in the Congress, among many other things. I did this 1083 01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:47.800 article about the importance and the omens at the end of the Aztec Empire and 1084 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:53.159 how there was really what today would call a UFO wave in the fifteen hundreds, 1085 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:57.960 and they they were seen as importance of doom, you know, And 1086 01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:01.640 indeed doom did come. Whatever where you believe about comments or UFOs or in 1087 01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:06.720 the calendars or something, certainly doom came for the Mexican culture at that time, 1088 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:13.000 you know. So that's another angle, this this return of Katsakuado, 1089 01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:17.159 and so it is a fascinating subject. So in regardless of what's going to 1090 01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:21.039 happen in twenty twelve, I'm doing already a lot of research because I find 1091 01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:27.640 it very interesting. So I can't blame the marketing people in the tourist people, 1092 01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.000 because it's a great place. And that's you know, that's all about 1093 01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:34.359 marketing, reminding people that it's fascinating the history and to come back. And 1094 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:39.880 like you said, it is a common misunderstanding that the Mayan disappeared. Yes, 1095 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:42.479 they didn't disappear. They're still there. They're still there. I go 1096 01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:45.359 to these ruins, you know, some of the people selling you stuff on 1097 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:47.479 my end when when you go to Guatemala, and my sister was with the 1098 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.239 Yun and Guatemala and I he actually did visit what Thenadola in the nineteen nineties. 1099 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:57.319 I learned that there are twenty four Indian nations as they called them, 1100 01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:00.600 but they're all descended from the Mayans. But by now they eat had different 1101 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:04.239 dialects and everything. Wow, and so yes, the people are all there, 1102 01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:09.600 but the political system, of course crumbled, and then it crumbled again 1103 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:14.880 when the Spanish conquered them in the fifteen hundreds. That was the collapse of 1104 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:18.760 the Second May civilization. But the people obviously we're still there and they're still 1105 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:24.199 there to this day. So and then the other thing. And it's a 1106 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:26.840 little bit of pr here for Mexico. I know a lot of people are 1107 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:30.840 very afraid about violence and all that, but that's in the north of Mexico 1108 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:34.920 when you go to Cancun and Campege in these areas, that's not where all 1109 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.439 this business of the drug lords and all that is going on. And those 1110 01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:44.399 areas are much better police because they know tourism is a huge income from Mexico. 1111 01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:48.039 So I'm sure that that it will be fairly safe. Yeah, well 1112 01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:54.720 cool, We've only got a few minutes left. But so I wanted to 1113 01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:59.079 maybe talk about what you're working on now for the next issue of the magazine. 1114 01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:02.479 Yeah, I got a couple of got a couple of interesting stories. 1115 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:08.079 One is one that I combined some articles that I had done on the web 1116 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:12.720 but put them all together in a single piece. And it's about of course 1117 01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:16.119 the mob the Ministry of Defense files, but not so much on the UFO 1118 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:21.000 cases themselves, but the politics. What was the politics going on? And 1119 01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:27.680 particularly I profiled three people. One is Lord Hill, Norton, the former 1120 01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:31.039 Admiral of the Fleet who at one time was the chairman of the NATO Military 1121 01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:38.680 Commander prominent men who became really a pioneer in exopolitics what today we call exopolitics 1122 01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:43.800 in the late nineties, in the early part of the last decade. He 1123 01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:47.720 passed away in two thousand and four. He became a formulable fault, I 1124 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:53.680 mean fire for loophology, and he kept pestering the Ministry of Defense because at 1125 01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:58.319 that time the Ministry of Defense had not put in place the classification policy, 1126 01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:02.560 so he was in a Especially he was interested in the Renderssan Forest case of 1127 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:06.800 December nineteen eighty. He wanted the answers on that, and he was a 1128 01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:12.479 member of Parliament and a former defense chief. So these guys a mob were 1129 01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.920 basically terrified by him. And he wouldn't take no for an answer to this 1130 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:20.000 guy, I mean, so the usual you know, passing the buck wouldn't 1131 01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:24.079 work with him, so he would come back. And this went on over 1132 01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:28.840 and over. And then the other character, which actually Hill none I never 1133 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.920 met, but the other one I did was Ralph Noys, fascinating character. 1134 01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:36.000 He had worked at a miniature of Defense for many years. He retired with 1135 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:42.880 the rank of Undersecretary of State, and he too, at one time, 1136 01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.840 was involved in the UFO investigation in the nineteen seventies, and he described in 1137 01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:54.279 a famous memorandum that was in the last release an event that happened at the 1138 01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:58.399 time he worked at MOB when they all went to a theater that he was 1139 01:25:58.479 --> 01:26:02.279 at the sub basement of the Ministry and they saw this whatever twenty minute the 1140 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:09.039 saw presentation that someone at the ministry had put together of UFO footage, both 1141 01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:14.560 pictures including gang camera film which you always hear about it that you never see, 1142 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:18.239 and though and he wrote this at the time that our friend Nick Pope 1143 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:24.279 was the guy in charge of the UFO desk. So Nick immediately said, 1144 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:27.439 hey, film gun camera, Hey, let's get our hands on. He 1145 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:30.880 couldn't find it. He was just spanished, vanished off the face. And 1146 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:36.239 obviously it existed because noise is a very credible source. And so in nineteen 1147 01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:42.359 seventy this presentation was put together, and this footage existed by the time and 1148 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.640 Nick tried to get his hands on. Twenty four years later it was gone. 1149 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:48.720 So that article deals with that. Just like a lot of this set, 1150 01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:55.039 they say they claim that the government probably these guys didn't think it was 1151 01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:59.359 very important, so they threw it out when they they were not they would 1152 01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:01.760 not find so not film. But that's the thing that, yeah, is 1153 01:27:01.840 --> 01:27:05.199 that when you hear that answer, you know, sometimes I think, go, 1154 01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:09.640 okay, well maybe that makes sense, like when Leslie Keene and the 1155 01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:14.479 Correlation for the Freedom of Information looks for information from NATA. Oh it was 1156 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.319 thrown out. You know, we tried our best to find it. But 1157 01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:19.600 when you yeah, you hear that answer over and over again, I can 1158 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:23.479 see in some cases it might be true. You know, if there's one 1159 01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:27.720 doctum and one mammo, sure he got misplaced, he goes miss filed. 1160 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:30.479 It's you know, they people in government are human, you know, they 1161 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:33.119 can make mistakes. But the whole thing with film and footage, even though 1162 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:36.159 Noise says it was not dramatic, he said it was not that great. 1163 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:41.680 But still I don't believe they would throw away on camera footage in no way. 1164 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.640 And the other story is a fascinating story in the in the History of 1165 01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:49.239 Apology too, which I also wrote in the web. But this is not 1166 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:54.159 just a couple of seconds. Yeah, it's on the famous Pasca Gula abduction 1167 01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:57.239 of nineteen seventy three, right, you know, the Charlie Hickson case. 1168 01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:00.600 Hickson and Parker, So I got it by their magazine article. We'll go 1169 01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:04.319 into other aspects that are not in the web. In the web article it, 1170 01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:09.720 we'll discuss, for instance, a wave of ussols that took place at 1171 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:13.920 the same Topicol. Yeah, perfect, because Charlie Hickson I passed away recently 1172 01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:15.680 and so there was a lot of news I have to pass goo goal case. 1173 01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:20.039 So but just very like couple paragraphs on it. So you'll have a 1174 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:24.479 story coming out with that'll cover it more than that and putting it in context 1175 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:27.479 because it didn't happen in a void. You know. He was part of 1176 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.920 the nineteen seventy Pretty Wave, which was the extremely significant UFO wave. So 1177 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.760 that's pretty dang exciting. People should look forward to it. Yeah all right, 1178 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:38.680 Well, thank you so much for updating us on these stories and coming 1179 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:41.920 back on the show again. You're welcome, and it's not always great time. 1180 01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:45.279 One of my favorite researchers, Antonio Juniez. I love his work and 1181 01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:48.920 the stuff that he write, So but we are out of time. Be 1182 01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:53.920 sure to join us next week. On open Minds. Be sure to check 1183 01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:57.920 out open Minds TV. 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