Hello, everybody. This is Hard Truths number seven with Ashton Forbes. This
is the podcast where we get to the hard truths. We ask the questions
that you don't hear elsewhere on the media. And today my guest is Timothy
Aberrino. He is a director, writer, and producer and investigator. Recently
he has been known for going on to Peru and investigating the Peru sightings that
have been seen there in some of the villages and some of the towns in
that area. So today what we're going to be talking about is we're going
to dig into a little bit of his investigative work and then we will talk
about some spiritual, philosophical, technological considerations for humanity and the evolution of our
species. So, without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and bring
up mister Timothy Aberno. Hello, sir, thank you for coming on Hard
Trews today. How are you doing. I'm doing well. Thanks for having
me on eshten and thanks you for being here. The first thing I want
to say right off the bat is that I appreciate your investigative spirit. From
looking into you. You're the kind of person that doesn't just accept the information
that's been presented to them. You get there, you get your hands dirty,
you kind of jump into it, and you know, find out what
you know, your own kind of beliefs based on your own experiences. So
I want to appreciate that from one investigator to another. And I want to
start by asking you what got you interested in you know, investigating incidents and
you know history and all the stuff that you've been doing the past few years
and in your life. I would say that my interest in all these topics
began when I was nineteen years old. I when I was eighteen years old,
I dropped out of high school, I moved to the Amazon in Peru,
and by the time I was nineteen, I was I was living in
the Amazon, and that's really when all of this began for me. I
had some very interesting experiences, very personal experiences that really set the stage for
everything that I'm doing now. So I would say that's it goes back to
when I was nineteen years old. I haven't been in the public domain.
I wasn't in the public domain until about I would say, maybe twelve years
ago, ten years ago. And for the last decade or so, I've
been traveling around the world investigating all kinds of things, things pertaining to ancient
history, law, civilizations, giants, megaliths, and also ufology, aliens
and UFOs and what got you interested in the Peru situation? What was How
did you get connected to that, to the one that unfolded this summer.
Yeah, I was. I don't remember exactly how my attention was drawn to
that, probably through social media, I would imagine, like everyone else.
Remember, I saw one of the videos that came out of the village of
San Antonio, the Pintuyaku, and it was alarming. It was a video
of the villagers running around at nighttime with flashlights and they were discharging their firearms
in the jungle. They were in a state of panic, and they were
claiming in the video that what they were, what they were confronting, was
not human, one of them said. Others were talking about beings or people
who were who seemed to be in possession of advanced technology. So it was
very intriguing. The story itself was very intriguing, and I had lived in
close to that region of the jungle that's called the Alto Nanai, and I
lived for some period in the in the nine eye On, in the Alton
nine. I but also adjacent to the Alto Naneay up the River Mansan,
north east of the city of Aiktos. This particular incident happened in the village
of San Antonio Pintuyacu, which is west a little bit north and west of
the city of Aketos. But I'm very familiar with that region. I learned
to speak Spanish there and I speak their particular dialect which is called Shatapa,
which is a mix of Spanish in Quechua, primarily Spanish. So I kind
of cut my teeth in that part of the jungle when I was nineteen years
old, and so being familiar with the area, it seemed like it seemed
like appropriate for me to go and conduct this investigation. I waited for a
while to see if someone else would go and do it. I had some
things going on, and so I was waiting to see if somebody was going
to go up there and conduct an an investigation. Subsequent to these incidences,
which were happening from mid July to the beginning of August, two police officers,
two Peruvian police officers from the city of Aikidos, did go and investigate.
They had a navy escort and they conducted what I always described as a
piss poor investigation. It was not very well done. In fact, they
walked away with this absurd story. They literally concocted the story. I found
out later of these they said that the villagers were being assaulted by river miners
with state of the art jet packs. And I knew when that story came
out, I knew that that could not be true for various reasons, and
so it just sort of it created another layer of mystique over this situation that
was unfolding in the proving Amazon. And then I saw all the press,
both the Peruvian press and the American press, ran with that story and it
was this case closed. We know that it was, you know, miners
with jet say, they our jet packs and nothing to see here anymore,
Let's move on. And that really bothered me because I knew that wasn't true.
So, long story short, I decided to mount an expedition and I
charted a riverboat. I was fortunate to have my friend Doug Thornton, who
was an ex Infantry Marine DHS operator, joined me. I contacted the village
thanks to my colleague ufologist Ronnie Vernett, helped me get in contact with the
village, and I talked to the chief of the village, Yapu, and
actually I received an official investigation from the village to go and conduct to conduct
my investigation, I received an official invitation. So I also found out that
the village is that the village was in dire straits in regard to their supplies.
They were running low on supplies because they were not going out into the
jungle to harvest from their farms or hunt. They were living in a state
of terror. They were patrolling their village continually every single night, and so
we were able to also turn it into kind of a humanitarian effort, and
we were able to supply thanks to my friends from Condo A Church, Pastor
Darren Tyler and Jay Brandenburg and some of the guys from Condo A Church.
They helped me co fund the expedition and we were able to bring them supplies,
food and medical supplies and also strategic technology. We brought them because we
knew that they were conducting these patrols every night to protect their village from these
strange assailants. So we brought them high powered flashlights, we brought them,
we brought them thermo binoculars, night vision goggles with recording capabilities, and radios.
So, and I don't know if you want me just to get into
what we discovered or so. I a couple quick questions on some of the
stuff that you just mentioned there. First of all, why do you think
you're the only person who went to investigate. I mean, I know that
the police or whatever did this investigation, came up with this miners with jetpackstory,
which I'll be honest, I think it is absurd as well. I
think that, you know, it seems at least as plausible as this idea
that there's people with advanced technology in my mind, but you know, I
guess maybe I'm not the normies out there. So what is your thoughts though
on why you know, why you why didn't nobody else go out there and
do it? Because I think that that's something I've noticed as well, is
that, especially in this age of social media, everybody wants to commenta but
nobody wants to get their hands dured. No one wants to get out there
and do the work. So what are your thoughts on that. Yeah,
I was kind of surprised when I went to the village I found out that
aside from those two police officers, we were the first people to come and
conduct an investigation. Now there are some interviews floating around online where you have
Peruvian journalists interviewing some of the people there, interviewing the girl Talia, the
fifteen year old girl who was there, was an attempt at deduction and they
tried to deduct her. So I had seen these interviews and had and had
assumed that these interviews were conducted in the village. Not so, the interviews
were conducted in i Ketos. No one had gone to the village. And
the reason why no one had gone to the village is because it takes two
days to get there up the river. It's very remote. In fact,
it's it's pretty much the last village. There's a tiny village associated with the
village of San Antonio that's sort of like a satellite village connected to it.
But San Antonio, the Pintuyaku is the last outpost of civilization before a vast
expanse of Amazon jungle stretching all the way up to Ecuador and Colombia in the
north. So it's very remote, it's it's not easy to get to and
and it's you know, it's the Amazon. You're deep in the Amazon,
so it's not it's not a very comfortable trip and all. So in add
in the the the additional element of danger because you don't know what you're going
to find up there. I certainly didn't know if we were going to discover
that these were cartels, drug traffickers, human traffickers. We had no idea
what we were going to find. So there's an element of danger as well,
and I think all of that dissuaded anyone from going and conducting an investigation.
Also, you need to speak Spanish, and you need you need at
least to be familiar with the dialect or have somebody with you who's familiar with
it with Chadappa to really be able to communicate with these people. So all
of those factors I think were inhibitive of other people going in and getting the
job done. Awesome, Yeah, and what about you mentioned you know the
mainstream media is reporting on this as this miners with jet packs, And what
are your feelings in general on the way the media reports incidents like this,
and how do you think they could do better in the future. Well,
I can't believe that the media ran with that story because in the beginning,
the proving press was taking story very very seriously. It was gravely serious the
way that they were reporting it. I was quite surprised. They weren't ridiculing
the the the villagers, they weren't even doubting the story it was. It
was. It was creating quite a bit of fear in Peru at the time
and trepidation. And so when the when the jetpack story came out, it
sort of assuaged everyone's fears and it provided a prosaic answer that I think a
lot of people were hoping for and it in What really surprised me wasn't that
the Peruvian press ran with this explanation, with this concoction. What really surprised
me was that the American press ran with it. Even News Nation, who
broke the story with David grush and and has been very bold in reporting UFO
related stories, just ran with the jetpack minor story case closed. It was
minors with state of the art jetpacks, with no contacts, with no understanding
of whether or not that is even feasible. They didn't bring in anyone like
myself who's lived in the area or familiar with it. With the Amazon proving
Amazon and the villages, and it was I was quite surprised and disappointed with
the media, even with these alternative media sites like news Nations. So I
can only say that the reason why the American press ran with this story is
because that's what the Peruvian press confirmed. Yeah, so just as a rundown,
and I want you to correct me when I kind of go through this
a little bit if there's anything I got wrong here, is that the locals
there believed that these were similar to these beings called the face peelers, that
these people or whoever was harassing them or on like essentially equivalent of circular hover
boards that seemed to have some type of anti gravitational technology or capabilities, but
they also had some type of boots. I believe that they were using as
perhaps kind of a mechanism to turn it off or on. That there were
some advanced aerospace vehicles that were similar to an acorn shape if they were to
be turned on their side. And I think I even read something about or
saw something about there being some scanning capabilities out there. What do you I
mean? In my opinion, from what I've gleaned from your investigation, these
people were terrorized. I think there's no doubt in my mind that people were
terrorized up there. What do you think it really was that was going on.
Well, the people, the communities out there in the jungle, they
do believe that this is the face peeler phenomenon, that these are the face
peelers, and the face peelers. The face peeler phenomenon is it's about.
It goes back to the eighties, back to the mid eighties, so it's
a few decades old. And when I lived in the jungle, I heard
about the face peelers, and basically it's sort of an old it was an
old wives tale where they would tell their children, for example, don't go
out in the jungle at night, or the face peelers will get you.
And the face peelers they're they're called face peelers because people every now and again
would would end up missing in the jungle and then they would discover their bodies
and they would they would be missing part of their face. And usually it's
very clean cut, so we're not talking about depredation from animals or piranhas or
something like that. It's a laser precision and so this was always as I
said sort of like an old a fairy tale, an old wives tale.
And but the people in the jungle absolutely believed it was true. And if
you were to ask them who are these face peelers, you would get different
answers, basically one of two answers. Some people are going to tell you
they're gringos with advanced technology, and I'm talking about the native communities. They're
going to tell you they're gringos with advanced technology that are here or organ harvesting
or whatever. And and some people will tell you that they're non human antidy
he's there, aliens or some sort of non human creature with advanced technology.
So you get a mix of both. And some people tell you that they
think it could be both of those things combined. And again when I say
some people, I'm talking about the communities themselves. In this case in San
Antonio, the Pintuyaku, we're talking about the Ekitu tribe. This is a
very old Amazonian tribe, very important old Amazonian tribe. The Kitu language is
very interesting. There aren't many people who speak it anymore. And this village
had had had not previous previously experienced an incursion like this, or the or
the phenomenon of the face peelar phenomenon to this extent, or if ever for
that matter. So this was brand new to them, but they were associating
associating it with the face peelar phenomenon because of the attempted abduction of the fifteen
year old girl named Taliah. And Talia was was she went through this very
traumatizing incident in which and it was a evening, just after dark, she
was picking fruit from her tree in her backyard and the fruit fell to the
ground. She bent over to pick it up, and she felt a gentle
breeze at her back, and she saw the leaves, the dry leaves,
rustling around her. And she turned around to see what was causing this breeze,
and she saw an assailant, a tall person dressed from head to foot
in black, in a black armed body suit, and he had a helmet
on and the helmet was elongated in the back and the eyes were sort of
the eyelands were almond shaped. She says, they were green. Others told
me they're yellow. Maybe they're a greenish yellow. And this individual, this
assailant, was surfing, was surfing on a circular hoverboard platform, but there
was no noise associated with it. She didn't hear anything. She felt the
breeze. In her backyard, there's sort of a gally. It's a forested
gallie. There's jungle there. And around this little gally, this forested gulli
are other houses. So this is in the middle of the village. And
this individual, this assailant, was surfing around the trees. He comes up
the hill and he lands right behind her, and he grabs her from behind,
and he puts his hand over her mouth. And as and as this
is happening, he notices another guy coming up the same equipment, black armor,
bodysuit, elongated helmet. He comes up the hill, he lands in
front of her and grabs her feet and then they proceed to carry her over
behind this this thatched roofed chicken coop that's in her backyard. And and they
long story short, without going into all the details, they proceeded to cut
her face off. They took out a what I think is a laser syringe
the way she describes it, and they began to make an incision right here
below her jawline, and she started to struggle and they dropped her. They
were holding her they dropped her because she started to push up on one of
the masks, on one of the helmets behind her, and then she's pushing
up on the helmet. He let her go for a minute to try and
pull his helmet down, and she screamed, and all of the neighbors came
running with flashlights because they were already in the state of vigilance. This wasn't
the first incursion. This was the first attempt at abduction in San Antonio Pintuyaku,
but it was not the first incursion into the village. So all the
villagers were in a state of vigilance, and they were sitting on their porches,
their patios with their shotguns and their flashlights, at the very least their
flashlights. So when she screamed the moment she screamed, her brother and the
neighbors came running, and I talked to them. They saw these assailants floating
on these hoverboards. By the time they got there, they were dragging Talia
by her hair one of them, and they dragged dropped the hill a little
bit, and when they saw that they were surrounded by the villagers, they
maneuvered on their boards to where there was an opening in the trees, and
then they shot up in the sky and Talia was left bloodied and unconscious.
It is important to note that Talia there was an anomaly. And I interviewed
many people in the village, probably thirty forty fifty people in the village,
and Talia she had a detail that I didn't hear from anyone else. She
said that she heard the assailants speaking. One of them spoke and broken Spanish
with a Gringo accent, and the other one spoke like a Peruvian. They
were both tall, she said, they were both taller than me. One
of them was exceptionally tall. She called him the gringo because he had the
broken accent speaking in Spanish, and the other one she called the Peruvian because
he was shorter and he spoke like her. And she heard them. And
for example, when they were before they cut her neck, before they began
to make this incision, they took out a cream and they mixed this cream
with some powder, and they well, they shot it up her nose with
a nasal syringe, and this sort of put her in an altered state of
consciousness. And then they took out another They took out another tube of cream
and they began to smear it all over her face, and it made her
face go numb before they began to cut it. And she said she heard
them the one saying to the other, be careful, don't put too much
on her face. It'll ruin the flesh. And she said what they meant
was that it would make it difficult for this to separate the skin from the
tissue beneath. And so she says she heard them speaking. Now, Talia's
was very traumatized. She had severe PTSD and was trembling like a leaf the
entire time I was talking to her. She's very very traumatized young lady.
So I don't know if she actually heard them speaking or if she confabulated them
speaking. I don't know. But if they're speaking Spanish, especially broken Spanish,
then these are human beings. Maybe something a little more interesting than that,
but but very like the human beings. And you mentioned this technology that
they have, so apart from the apart from these hoverboards, which are not
this is not conventional technology. We're not talking about propellers. This is not
propellers. There's some other kind of technology here, unconventional technology because it's silent
and and it's it just does not conform to the propeller technology the drones that
people surf on that you can find online. And apart from that, they
also have they're also in possession of what I would describe as advanced aerospace vehicles.
You mentioned they look like they look like acorns on their side, so
they're narrower in the front and they and they want widen out in the back.
These vehicles, they're about the size of a small aircraft like a private
jet or a large helicopter like a Chinook or a black helicopter. But they're
completely silent except for when they move away, they make a low frequency humming
sound. I had various villagers draw these craft in the dirt for me.
They all drew the same thing, and one individual who had a really remarkable
story, he drew the craft on an acrylic board for me. And this
individual he was pulling up his nets at three am and it was pitch black
outside, and suddenly he said, it was like someone turned the lights on
or the sun came up. Everything was illuminated around him, and he was
looking at the water and he saw there's something bright above him. So he
looks up and he sees this craft, this acorn shaped craft. He's looking
straight up at it. It does not have any wings, It doesn't have
any propellers, any propulsion to any propulsion systems to speak of. It has
these little nubs in the place of wings, like rounded protrusions that as he
was observing this craft, those nubs opened up. They they opened up,
and they deployed. There was a series of lights as if it was scanning,
and it was there for quite for quite a while, at least like
a minute or two. He's looking at this craft. And what was really
interesting about his testimony testimony was the craft that he saw was transparent. He
said it had like a sort of a mesh fuselage, like some sort of
mesh like material that you could see through. And in fact he saw two
people inside. He saw somebody like in the cockpit area and another person sitting
in the middle. And again, multiple villagers described this craft to me,
and they saw it. They would They all saw it about, you know,
thirty forty feet above their head. In some cases it was just hovering
above some of the houses the village, and in this case it was hovering
above the river. And so obviously whoever these assailants are are in possession of
unconventional advanced technology. There's no question about it. This is not propellers.
By the way, the people in this village, this village is unique.
San Antonio Pintuyaku is unique because there's a there's a communications outpost that the provincial
government built in the village, and that communications outpost has an Internet satellite uplink,
and so if you go there in the evening, you're going to find
some of the villagers sitting in the government building watching movies on YouTube or whatever.
So these guys are not uninformed. They're very much aware pop culture.
They know exactly what helicopters are. They see military helicopters from time to time
flying around because they're going out there to run missions against the drug traffickers,
and so they know what a helicopter is. They know what it sounds like.
They know what planes are. Planes routinely fly over the village, a
small aircraft, you know, like Cessna planes. They watch movies, They
watch all the they watch all the same movies we do, the Marvel movies
and all this. They know what a propeller is. They know what a
jet engine is and sounds like and so when they're describing the technology, it's
not like you know, ignorant native people who are describing a conventional airplane,
but they don't know how to describe it. No, No, that's not
what we're talking about. These people are as informed with pop culture. They
know what the world looks like as much as we do. They're using internet,
they have social media accounts. So that's important to to delineate that because
you know, some people may say, well, they're probably just seeing a
helicopter and they think it's you know, they don't understand what they're looking at.
That is not the case. I can ensure everyone they are describing advanced
aerospace vehicles unconventional technology without question. Yeah. People love their prosaic explanations too,
right. They love to come up with something, Oh, it's some
balloons, it's a helicopter, it's Chinese lanterns, really anything except for something
that may be uncomfortable to people in general. So a couple just kind of
clarification points on that. One question that I'm not sure if you got an
answer to is did they say when they were scanning this, I'm gonna just
call it a UFO because that's i guess what it is. By technicality,
did they say what color the lights were when they were scanning, by any
chance, yes, he did. I'd have to go back and look at
the video. But if I recall, I want to say they said blue,
red, and white. I think I think they were consistent. The
colors were consistent on the on the boards because the the discs had had a
series of lights around them too. In fact, when these incursions would begin,
when these episodes would begin, where these assailants would come into the village,
it would begin by them seeing these like saucers flying around sky silently,
just flying around over the village. But if they were to take their flashlight
and put it and flash up at the saucer, if it was close enough,
they'd see the silhouette of a person on top. Right. So these
guys are floating above, are flying around above the village on these saucers,
and the saucers have the capability to completely stop, you know, to be
stationary in the air with no sound. And then the assailants would go land
in the jungle between the openings and the trees, and they would either walk
into the village or some of the villagers told me a few of the men
told me they were floating, and I said, you mean on the disks,
and they said, no, no, they were just floating off of
their shoes. They have these they have these little disks on the bottom of
their shoes that project a light and they can float like a meter off the
ground. A few guys told me this. In fact, one of the
guys said, he said, listen, I was standing here. I went
to all the locations right where they were encountering these guys, and they walked
to me through the encounters. He said, I was standing here and it
was just after dark, and I have my flashlight and I saw one of
them here. I put my flashlight on him and he was right there in
front of me, and I'm telling you, he was floating on He had
discs on the bottom of his shoes, not to be confused with the with
the with the hoverboard disc like, I'm talking about two discs on the bottom
of his on their boots or footwear. And he said he was just floating
there. And he said, I shot him point blank, rangenge with it
with my sixteen gag shotgun and he fell back on his back. So the
blast knocked him back but then he just hopped back up in the air,
resumed floating and moved away. And the guys telling me that when they would
shoot these to shoot the assailants, they would hear the shotgun bebies dinking off
of their body armor. And they set up traps around the village as well.
They set these traps up. They take these tubes and they put a
shotgun cartridge in it, and they have a firing mechanism like a hammer mechanism
when the rope is triggered and they use it. They used these traps to
catch small game, but they modified them. They modified the bird shot and
they melt the bird shot down and they make they make bigger bbes, so
they make slugs out of them, right, and they made these slugs.
They modified the bird shots so each each canister had a few slugs in it,
maybe four slugs in it. And they raised up that They raised the
traps up so that they would be the level of the knee, at the
knee height right to try and literally take these guys out at the knees with
these traps. And they told me that they would hear they set nine of
them up, they would hear the traps going off at night, and then
they'd go to check them. They'd go check them out, and the traps
were triggered, and they would see the footprints of the assailants, which were
two discs on each side, so two circles, that's what. And they
were very large, they said, the footprints. But there was no blood,
there was no shrapnel, almost as if these guys were just triggering the
traps for fun, right these assailants. In fact, these traps are very
dangerous. One of the ladies accidentally walked into one and blew a hole in
her thighs previous to our visit. So anyway, we're dealing with, you
know, a physical phenomenon and unconventional technology that I know and I've that I
can confirm. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, I have no
difficult time believing in advanced technology. My personal opinion, which I've put out
there, is that I absolutely believe that there is advanced technology that's out there
that's unknown to the vast majority of the world in general. So am I
correct? And assuming that your opinion then is that these were humans with advanced
technology and this is not aliens or anything like that, and then what would
you say their motive then is are they trying to harvest people or just terrify
people? And then lastly, how long do you think this was going on?
I think I heard that there hasn't been any more incidents since you went
there. But if you can clarify any of that, feel free. I
cannot say for certain who the assailants are. If in fact they spoke broken
Spanish, one of them as Talia according to Tullia's testimony, then we're dealing
with humans, and we're probably dealing with a mix of gringos and locals,
local maybe paramilitary guys. We could be dealing with a mix. We could
be dealing with a a cooperation, a co op between human and non human
factions. Of course that that seems fantastical, but it is within the realm
of possibility. Considering the kind of technology on display in these incidents. It
it's definitely not minors with jet packs. It's not cartels. And this is
simply by way of logical deduction. If the if the Sinaloa cartel, for
example, in Mexico, had the kind of technology that's been deployed in the
jungle of Peru, we would see it. They wouldn't hesitate to use it.
They would certainly use it against the Mexican military. They have the cartels
have military weapons grade ammunitions, there's no question about it. They have weapons
grade equipment, military weapons grade equipment. But they don't have advanced aerospace vehicles,
they don't have anti gravity gravity technology, they don't have the kind of
stuff that these villagers are encountering. So there are aspects of this phenomenon that
seem very human to me. For example, aside from this village, also
I investigated a couple other incidents, one in the city, not village,
city of Nauta thirty five thirty six thousand inhabitants. And the reason why that
is important that detail is because a lot of people are out there saying that
these are cartels or miners who are just trying to drive these villagers off their
land in the jungle so that they can harvest gold or something like that.
But we know that's not true because there were the same sort of phenomenon.
A phenomenon was taking place in the city of Nauta, which is a couple
hours down the river towards Ikdos, thirty five thirty six thousand inhabitants, they're
not going to drive those people off their land. That's obviously not the purpose
here. That's not the objective is to drive thirty five thousand inhabitants out of
a jungle city. These people have been there for centuries, and that's just
illogical. Something else is going on. They're after something else. And I
talked to a man named Pablo, young man named Pablo, from a different
village and a different part of the proving Amazon. It's southwest of the village
of San Antonio Pintuyaku, and it's near the city of yody Maguas. And
this individual they encountered the same phenomenon. They saw the guys on the discs,
black armored body suits, elongated helmets, same dudes, right. And
this guy said he was taking a bath in the river and suddenly he heard
people yelling Felakata's face peelers, face peelers, And he comes running out.
He's got a towel around his waist. He grabs his flashlight and his shotgun
and he begins to pursue a couple of these guys on foot. They're running
through the jungle. He's running behind them and he gets close enough he shoots
he discharges his shotgun and he hits one and again he hears the dinking off
off of their body armor. But he said, I think I hit their
propulsion system, whatever it is, which is probably in their shoes. These
guys were not on the disc. They were just running into These guys were
by the way. They might have exoskeletons. They might have exo suits as
well, because they're all described as being inhumanly agile the way they can move
through the jungle. So I'm thinking maybe we're dealing with exosuits there. But
he shot one of them, and he must have hit the propulsion system because
this guy, this assailant, was having a hard time lifting up into the
air, and so Pablo, when he saw that this guy's having a hard
time getting off the ground, he charged him and he tackled him. He
grabbed he got him around the waist. And as soon as he grabbed the
guy around the waist, and he said, the guy was lifting off of
the ground as he's holding him, he's holding him down. And he said
that this this face peeler guy. He took out this he said it was
like a mini flashlights. It was a laser, and he hit him with
a laser, and Pablo instantly went unconscious, and his dad and some of
the other guys found him and and and revived him. And since since that
incident, he's had heart troubles. So this is a very this is a
very tactile, tangible phenomenon that smacks that that seems to me to be a
human encounter, but I can't say for sure. My working hypothesis is we're
dealing with We're dealing with human, very nefarious human beings in possession of advanced
technology. What are they doing, what are they harvesting? Well, apparently
they are trying to harvest faces, because there was a boy near the city
of Nauta who previous to our visit, was rescued in the same sort of
scenario. He unfortunately sustained deep lacerations on both sides of his neck, very
very gruesome. I posted that video on my Twitter account, and it's hard
to find online where it's not blurred. I found the one where it's not
blurred and very very gruesome, very deep. He almost died, he almost
bled out. They were able to rush him to the hospital in Auta.
They saved his life, and he says it was a face peeler assault,
and that's what everybody says. So are these the faces of you know,
of legend in the jungle or are or is this a group of individuals who
want everyone to think they're face peelers as cover for something else that they're doing.
I tend to think that because with all this technology that they obviously have,
why is it so difficult for them to accomplish the mission in harvest faces?
I feel like they just want to scare people, and they want they
want the people to think that they're the face peelers of the legend, when
in fact, something else is going on. There's a different operation underway in
the jungle that and they don't want people to to catch wind of that.
They want everyone to think that this is the face peeler phenomenon. That's sort
of my working hypothesis. However, having said that, in the city of
Nauta, I found out that the people of Nuta, who experience the same
phenomenon the guys on the discs dressed in black, they also had flying saucers
hovering over their village, so, you know, the typical saucer. So
that's what makes me wonder if there's some sort of a cooperation happening here between
human nefarious human and non human forces entities. Again, that sounds fantastical,
but it's within the realm of possibility, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, and I like to keep my mind open to any possibility in
general out there, especially related to this UFO phenomenon. I mean, if
we have anti gravitational tech and other technology that can do stuff that we considered
you magic, then I think we really have to consider all possibilities. And
so that's why I really like your investigation, because you know you've considered all
avenues. You clearly seem to be going into this with an open mind,
not really with necessary any bias. But I would say, is have you
seen you know, you've done other types of investigations, You've traveled potentially the
world. Have you ever seen anything similar like this ever before? Yes?
I have. Actually brook Park, Ohio. I grew up in brook Park,
Ohio, and moved away, went and lived in Peru, and then
I came back to live for a short period of time. Brook Park is
a suburb of Cleveland, the city of Cleveland. I came and I was
living in Cleveland for a couple of years before I moved out to Montana after
living having lived for a decade in the Amazon in Peru. And when I
was living during this period of time that I was living in brook Park,
I was in my thirties, early thirties, actually my late twenties. To
give a little background here. I would often walk over to my brother in
law's house, Tony, and he and I would lift weights in his basement
together, and the topic of our conversation was more often than not related to
UFOs aliens, reverse engineer technology, crash retrievals, this sort of thing,
Bob Lazar, you know, Element one fifteen. This was the topic of
our conversation most of the time. And in fact, one particular evening where
we were talking about these things and my brother wanted to run over to the
GNC store and buy some supplements, and it was going to close soon,
so we decided to jump in the car. It was in February, I
don't remember the date. It was in February. It was very cold,
very windy. We jumped in my car. We drove over to the suburb
of brook Park again where I grew up, to the brook Eade shopping the
strip mall, the Brookade Shopping strip Mall, and it was around I know,
the store was closing like at nine or nine thirty, and we were
probably like eight forty five or something. We're approaching nine when we arrived.
And as we're approaching the brook Ade Shopping Complex, we saw something hovering,
like a craft hovering over the building on the corner of the complex. It
was just hovering there, and our first thought was that the National Guard is
running a training exercise, because there was a National Guard base not far from
there, and so that was our first thought, and we instinctively we rolled
down the windows of the car because we thought we would hear that telltale sound
of blades whipping through the air right for helicopters, because these were obviously large
helicopters. Whatever it was, it was a Chinnook or a black Hawk or
something like that, we heard nothing, and so we looked at each other
like, Okay, this is something interesting. I pulled into the parking lot.
There was hardly anybody there because all the stores were closing and it was
very cold. I just pulled in the middle of the parking lot through the
car into park because this craft that was hovering over the corner store. It
lifted off higher into the air and it just turned very gently on its access
and began to move toward me. And then it moved above a little bit
in front of my car and began to descend. It got about thirty or
forty feet max. Above my car, and it just hovered there. And
it was shaped sort of. It sort of had a delta shape, no,
not delta, like a diamond shape to it. I don't remember exactly.
It definitely came to sort of a rounded point in the front, and
it had the stubby protrusions on the side. It didn't have wings. It
had these stubby protrusions just like they described in in San Antonio Pinthuyaku. In
fact, maybe it was the same thing. It might have been the very
same kind or something similar to that aerospace vehicle that they were describing in the
jungle. I had a good long look at it. It had it had
sort of an angular body armor like a grayish like a grayish green. It
was hard to tell nighttime. It sort of had like a grayish green angular
body armor, much like the F one to seventeen Nighthawk stealth fighter. But
it wasn't shape like the stealth fighter didn't have wings, but it had sort
of that angular body armor, and it had these triangle lights. There were
triangles and they were white, and it had a series of I believe blue
and green lights around the fuselage. If the thing was just hovering there completely
silently, it was about the size of a large helicopter. No propulsion system
to speak of, no propellers, no engines, and nothing, completely silent.
It was so windy that night that my car was shaking back and forth
like this with the gusts of wind. Right this thing was completely unmoved,
as if it was in its own gravitational bubble. As it was as if
it was in its own atmosphere, completely unmoved. And we got a good
long look at this thing. I could have hit it with a rock,
it was that close to my car. And ultimately I had a flip phone
back then, my brother in law had a smartphone, and so I said,
Tony, your phone, your phone, and he sort of shook his
head like he was coming out of a daze, and he started to feel
for his phone, and he found it in his pocket. He started to
pull it out and he dropped it. And when he dropped it on the
floor, fumbling him for it because it's dark in the car. He grabs
it, picks it up, you know, trying to pull up his camera.
And when he gets it up like this, the craft just lifts up
into the air and starts to move away. And we jumped out of the
car, and it was so cold and windy we couldn't believe that this thing
was just smoothly gliding away, no sound, no propulsion system. So is
that what these guys saw in the jungle? Is that what the villagers of
San Antonio and other villages, by the way, we're encountering it very well
may be the stubby protrusions in the place of wings really stood out to me
in their testimony because that's what I saw. So I know without a shadow
of doubt that somebody has advanced unconventional aerospace technology, without a shadow of a
doubt. Unconventional no propellers, no jet engines. It's using a different kind
of physics. There's a different there's different laws of physics that we haven't.
You know that even the physics professors at Harvard have no ideas. There's exotic
elements like element when fifteen that Bob Lazar talks about that don't come from planet
Earth, that we can't reproduce, that have anti gravitational properties in that and
can create antimatter for examplemple So, I think these craft are creating a sort
of like a gravity bubble around them. They're within their own atmosphere. They're
probably projecting gravity waves, generating gravity waves. Like Bob Blazar said, there's
probably time dilation going on when you get close to them, because when you
distort gravity, you're distorting space time. And so you know, all of
this technology seems to be have the same properties that I encountered that the villagers
are encountering in that they're silent, in that they can hover in place without
propellers and so forth. Yep. Yeah, And if it makes you feel
any better, I mean, this is just my own testimony and opinion is
that you're absolutely right. There are crafts out there that are defining gravity.
I think that either the military industrial complex or third party contractors or both have
this technology, and I think that they're potentially hiding it from us. Before
we move on to the hiding, I think they're absolutely hiding it from us.
I just got off the phone with the congressman, one of the congressmen
that was that was in the briefing the other day, and and there's no
question that this stuff is being obfuscated. There's so many layers of compartmentalization.
You said it, right, The military industrial complex, what we call the
deep state, I call it the dump. I call the the level of
security, the the let's say that the echelon of the national security operatus status
that that that has the technology that's been working with that technology. I refer
to it not as the deep deep state, but as the dumb state,
because it's deeper than the dumb state. And of course when I say dumb,
I'm referring to the deep underground military basis because that's where these things are
being developed and the members of Congress, even the President does not have clearance
to go into these bases, and that's where this technology is being developed.
The S four facility, for example, where Losizar work, had multiple underground
levels. And there's no question in my mind that this element of the military
industrial complex, together with certain aerospace companies, military defense contractors, aerospace companies
have been have been recovering and reverse engineering, reverse engineering non human aerospace vehicles
let's call them alien craft, and recovering the bodies and probably interfacing with the
entities that were alive in some cases from these crash retrievals. I have absolutely
no problem believing that. I think that that is a factual statement, and
I think as the as so, in other words, I'm affirming Grush's testimony.
And as we move forward, I think it's going to become more and
more imparent that that apparent, that that is exactly what has been going on
and what is going on. And here's the problem. I think that the
people who are in possession of this technology, who have this let's call it
secret science and technology, are not very good people. I think some of
the most nefarious human beings on the face of the planet are the ones who
are in possession of this technology. Yep. And So before we go into
that, because that's actually leaning to my next one, I just also want
to thank you for your humanitarian efforts for helping out these small towns and villages.
Right. I know that you brought equipment to them, medical supplies,
etc. Like if nothing else, Like, you're actually out there and you're
doing humanitarian work. So just thank you very much, sir, for doing
that, And then I also want to say that I'm also in full agreement
with everything you just said regarding these third party contractors. Regarding David Grush's testimony,
I think that people that speak to Congress and their penalty of perjury should
be given us a highest level of attention. I think that the people that
are trying to debunk him and say that he's making stuff up are really just
doing vanity of disservice. So the question I would ask you along those lines
is what does disclosure actually mean to you? You know, if you had
to define what disclosure means to you, what would you say it is?
Disclosure is what we're seeing happen right now. It's not. I mean,
it can mean anything. Really, It's in simple terms, disclosure is the
revelation from an official source, so NASA or the Pentagon or the Pope,
revelation from an official source that we have evidence of the existence of extraterrestrials or
non human entities. I mean that ultimately is disclosure. But that can happen
in many different ways. That's the most straightforward way, which we'll probably not
have happened for a long time, if ever. But there are other manifestations
of that process that can happen and are indeed happening. For example, I
think that since two thousand and seven, Team the Pentagon has been desperately trying
to control the narrative, the so called UAP narrative, because they cannot.
They have no power, the Pentagon, the deep State, they have no
power to control the phenomenon. They cannot control the phenomenon. All they can
control is our perception of it. So they're desperately trying to control the narrative,
and they're they're losing control to some extent because there's too many encounters now,
there's too many encounters by our airmen, our navy guys, you know,
the Nimas incident, the go Fast incident, the gimbal incident. There's
dozens and dozens and dozens of these. Everybody's got cell phones. People talk.
It used to be back in the nineties, eighties and nineties that if
you were a threat and you were coming out with information, they would just
kill you. They would just kill you. That's not the case anymore.
Now, they just discredit you. It's easier to discredit you than to kill
you at this point, and so that's there's been a switch in, an
adjustment to that modus operandi by the deep state, by the dumb state,
and that they're no longer just killing people who are getting too close to the
truth. They just discredit them. It's so easy to discredit people because of
social media and the Internet and everything. It's much or they blackmail you,
or they threaten you, like they did to David Grush. So they can
only control the narrative. They cannot control the phenomenon. And so what we're
seeing now is a managed leak. We're seeing a managed leak of information.
They don't want this information to come out, but it's coming out, so
they're trying to control it. They're trying to control the pace of how it's
leaked. A good example of that is, you know, the Pentagon was
dragging its heels when these congressmen were trying to get David Grush in a skiff
in that secure environment so they can brief him directly. There were so many
many questions that he was asked during the hearing that he had to say,
well, I can't tell you that in this public setting, but I'm glad
to share that information with you in a skiff and we're talking about questions pertaining
to alien bodies, right, not just prosaic things. We're talking about the
most important questions. He's willing to tell them, but he doesn't want to
go to jail, so he'll tell them in this secure environment. And that
had to be approved by various levels of authorities in government, including at the
Pentagon. And so what did the Pentagon do? They knew that Grusha's security
clearance was expiring, so all they did was drag their feet until his clearance
expired. And then the whole thing of a skiff is sort of irrelevant,
right, because he doesn't have a securities anymore. So they're managing this leak.
They're managing the narrative the best they can. They're scrambling to do it.
They're probably injecting a lot of misinformation and disinformation to confuse, to throw
out red herrings will get off of they they they want us not to be
focused on UH. And whenever I talk to anyone involved in government on the
committees and stuff, this is what I tell them. They they want to
keep you unfocused. They don't want you to focus on the two things that
grush, The two claims that grush made that everybody should be laser focused on,
and that is crash retrievals of non human craft right of quote unquote spacecraft,
and and the non human biologics that are associated with those crash retrievals.
That right there is what the deep State, the dumb state, does not
want us to know about, or think about, or see anything related to
they they any you know, Grush gave the coordinates for the some of these
bases where he believes that they're that these secret special access programs are being developed
to have been underway. That was months ago that we heard that he had
the coordinates, that he had given those coordinates to the Inspector General. Do
you think there's any craft in any of those locations anymore? They scrubbed them
clean, they're gone, they moved them to some other base. So it's
going to be a cat and mouse game for Congress to try and get any
get access to any of these facilities, and when they do, everything's going
to be gone. So so this is a long when did answer to your
question? We are witnessing some degree of disclosure happening right now. The government,
the Pentagon confirmed that the go Fast, the Gimbal, the the tic
tac and handful of other videos were authentic. Okay, that is a tacit
admission that the UFO phenomenon is real. That's a tacit admission. The controversy
is over the UFO phenomenon is real, and it is at least some of
it does not have a human origin. This, I think has all been
tacitly admitted by Dependagon at this point. No, I agree with you one
hundred percent, sir, and I especially agree about your point about disinformation and
how easy it is in today's society to push disinformation. People have even been
pushing about me and I just came onto this scene a few months ago regarding
all of this, and you know, people listen, and this idea that
people just adopt other people's beliefs because of peer pressure and the age of social
media or information gets around. It's been incredible to behold, just from a
firsthand account. You know, one thing that I would challenge your view on,
although I still agree with you, is that you know you've got this
non human intelligence alien bodies that are being disclosed by Grush as well as crash
retrievals. But if we were to take it back to you know the investigation
did in Peru. Doesn't that lend itself more to the like the technology being
kind of what the thing is, it's really being disclosed because in my mind,
when I think of the military industrial complex, I think that what they
can care about isn't okay, well aliens are here whatever. Sure, that's
going to blow people's minds. You know, the technology will have socioeconomic impacts,
but what about the national security impacts? Right? Like? That's the
part where I wonder about what is your thoughts on this idea that this technology
could lead to if you were to adapt it, Doomsday weapons, weapons of
mass destruction that make nukes look like nothing go ahead. There's no question about
it, and there are legitimate concerns by the national security state. The last
thing we want is and make no mistake about it, China has their own
programs, Russia has their own programs, But the last thing we want is
for them to get ahead of us with any of this technology, because I
don't think China would hesitate to use it, and I don't think we would
either under certain circumstances or Russia. And I believe from what I've heard,
I have no way to confirm this, but it is my it's my personal
opinion. And again I think this is an informed speculation that our programs are
are quite a bit advanced compared to the other programs from other nations. They
have stuff, and maybe in certain aspects they've maybe made some headway that we
haven't been able to, but we're a little bit more advanced. We've been
doing it longer, and they just weren't. China wasn't in a position to
reverse engineer anything in the forties. Neither was Russia was until the collapse of
the Soviet Union, and then there was no money for those programs anymore.
So whatever advancements they made, we came to a halt until they were able
to rebuild their country. So that gave us an advantage, and we certainly
got We rant probably the United Kingdom, with whom we've shared maybe some of
this technology, if we probably don't share much of it with anyone, and
I'm not sure that we should. But so there are some legitimate national security
concerns here. I'm sure even if we were to have disclosure, there probably
are certain things that shouldn't be disclosed. Would be, you know, some
information that the that the US military should hold close to its best. But
the but the disclosure of the I'm going to call it the alien presence is
does not in and of itself calls These are already already aware of this.
This is nothing new to them. So the fact that that is being hidden,
that's against us. That they're hiding that from us the citizens. They're
not hiding that from China, They're not hiding that from Russia. They're hiding
that from us. So why why are they doing that? There are there
there There are only in my mind, in my estimation, there are only
uh nefarious reasons why they would hide that information from the general public. And
and those reasons, I'm sure have to do with the kinds of technologies that
would become available to all of us, and that would that would that we
would demand would become available to all of us if we were to find out
that, yes, there's an extraterrestrial presence and yes, or let's say a
non human presence at the very least, and yes, there is exotic technology
that would totally transform revolutionize our society if it were made available to the public.
And there are vested interests that don't want that to happen. None of
these big corporations that make all of their millions and billions of dollars using conventional
technology want unconventional technology in the market. They would have to completely retool.
It would destroy their business model, It would destroy their business altogether. If
there was free energy, for example, if if we found out, which
I think is absolutely the case, that combustion technology, combustion engines are our
are are basically extremely primitive at this point compared to compared to what we could
be using. The airline industries would become irrelevant overnight unless they could upgrade and
integrate the technology. I mean, you know, why are we all flying
around in these tubes still with jet with with jet propulsion? Obviously somebody asked
possession of of some kind of anti gravitational technology. I don't think there's any
question about it. So why are we all jamming ourselves into tubes with jet
with with with uh, you know, jet propulsion. These industries would have
to be transformed, and so there's going to be both national security concerns from
the government sector, but then there's going to be private concerns, private interests
that are are going to push back against the revelation of an extraterrestrial presence and
and and advanced to now unconventional technology. There are a lot of interests involved
here, but everyone should understand that that the that the the revelation of an
extraterrestrial presence, a non human presence, an alien which I think is the
most accurate term, an alien presence, is no revelation to China or Russia,
to their governments. That's no revelation to them. That's that's not telling
them something they don't already know. So that information is specifically being kept from
us the citizenry. Yeah. So yeah, I want to just gouite agree
with what you said there actually is pretty much perfectly in sync with what doctor
Stephen Greer told me in a Twitter space several weeks ago, as well as
the idea that some of the technology should be held back for national security purposes,
that you know, there's no reason why we can't reveal some of this
information. That I also agree with you that China and Russia are probably just
behind the United States. I think that we have probably military supremacy of the
world and we just don't want to let people know about that. And general
and I think that my personal opinion is that some of the reason why it
doesn't get disclosed is that I just think that from the popularity perspective, I
don't think a lot of people are ready for it, right. I think
that there's a certain percentage that are. I think that you and I are
probably people watching this, but a significant number of people out there that wouldn't
believe it to be real. Even if alien win talked to Joe Biden personally
on the front lawn of the White House. But on a different note or
a slightly similar note, I would ask you, now, knowing about this
type of technology, presuming that it's real, and I certainly think it is,
and I can tell that you think it is as well, does this
make you more or less spiritual in general? I don't think it bears upon
my spirituality. Let me say one thing. Let me back up and say
one thing. Yeah, sure, there's another reason why. There's another reason
why this is being kept from the public. Two words, alien abduction.
That's a huge reason why it's being kept from the pub being kept from the
public. That's a there's skeletons in that cloud. They don't want you to
open a closet. So in regard to this affecting my let's my spirituality or
I'm I'm a I'm a Christian, and none of this, none of this
has any kind It does no damage, let's say, to my Christian worldview
whatsoever the revelation of like gray aliens. I'm absolutely convinced gray aliens exist.
If we're to find out that human beings have been interfacing with extraterrestrial entities since
our genesis, that that that does not conflict whatsoever with my understanding of the
scriptures. Rather, it confirms what I already know from the scriptures, that
human beings have been interfacing with non human entities since our genesis. And furthermore,
these are extraterrestrial entities unquestionably that pre exists us. So that is well
within the biblical paradigm. And so none of this, as I said,
does does damage to my perspective as a Christian. Yeah, And you know
that's interesting to me because the more I've learned about this technology, the more
spiritual I've actually become because of I guess you were already there at that point.
But there's this idea out there, these narratives that oh, we don't
disclose this because religious people will like not be able to reconcile. I think
that's just completely false. I think that from the religious aspect, it completely
aligns with this idea of a construct creator, et cetera. Even aliens,
I don't think, really harm that view at all. I think it's the
people that don't have any religious beliefs that are the ones that are going to
be the hardest to believe this information because they're sitting there, believe in everything
they see on TV, and you know, all the whatever the authority tells
them, and then they find out, oh, nope, that's all been
a lie, your whole lives like, those are the people who I feel
are threatened. But that's just my opinion, you know, on the same
kind of line, I guess we're talking about technology or do you want to
say something related to that. I just I agree with that assessment. Maybe
in the forties and fifties there would have been a disruption in regard to the
religious community. But the America, for example, the fast fastest growing religion
is no religion, secularism, atheism, humanism, So that narrative is no
longer relevant. It's just no longer relevant. And I think there are plenty
of Christians like myself who understand that the revelation of extraterrestrial beings, as I
keep saying, what would not conflict with our worldview whatsoever. So it's it's
really become irrelevant. There's other reasons why that revelation is not happening. Awesome,
So and then I've only got a couple more questions for you in general,
and I appreciate your time. So, what do you think the trajectory
of human evolution is here? Given that this advanced technology may be real?
Do you think that we this is a risk of us destroying ourselves? Do
you think that we could become obsolete and machines take over? What's your view
in general of what does this all lead to, you know, fifty years
from now, one hundred years from now, five years, and from now
whatever in regard to the development of this technology. Yeah, and just human
evolution in general and from either a spiritual, technological, or whatever aspect you
want to look at it. Front. Well, I predict that we are
heading towards a post human future. I write about this in my book Birthright,
Becoming post Human Apocalypse and the usurpation of Adam's dominion Planet Earth. I
think we're heading for a post human apocalypse. The future is definitely post human,
and that is a very dangerous prospect obviously for the human species. All
of these technologies that we hold, for example, the you know, the
cell phones, the technology that we hold in our hands, is going to
ultimately go inside of our bodies. And and we we haven't even really begun
the genetic revolution yet. We are just beginning to go down that path genetic
engineering, human genetic engineering, but also cybernetics, uh, human technology,
brain brain, brain technology, interfaces like like neuralink that Elon Musk is developing,
you know, in in some time in the near future, we will
be engaging with the Internet through our brains. Human beings are going to gradually
become more more cybernetic. And I think that ultimately we're going to face a
post human future with with dire consequences. And and by the way, I
believe that all of this is predicted in the Bible, and so it's it
comes as no surprise to me. And that's why I can I can see
the trajectory going this direction. And I think that you know, the transhumanism
and humanism are are at some point going to converge with the revelation the reality
of the alien presence. In fact, I predict three things are even now
converging and are going to result in a radically different world than the one we're
living in now. I predict that the what I call them I book,
the alien threat or the alien presence. That's if you can imagine these three
things, is three concentric circles that are coming together, that are merging together.
So one of these is is the alien threat, the alien presence,
revelation of that, the ongoing disclosure of that. Then you have transhumanism and
and this this this post human future, all the technologies involved in that,
the genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, nanotechnology, all of the technologies that
are going to give us a tool to radically, radically redesign our biology.
Okay, And then that third circle would be what I perceive as a new
religion that's going to surface in the Earth that's even now being formulated. I
call it apotheo theism, and it's I don't believe the future is atheist.
I believe that in that Apathiotheism will be the religion of the future. The
concept of a pathiotheism. It's a word that I coin myself, and it
is an amalgamation of two terms apotheo theism rather apotheosis and theism. Theism obviously
is the belief in gods, and apotheosis is the deification of man, so
man becoming a god. And when you blend those two concepts together, what
you have as a religion which acknowledges the existence of the gods i e.
Superior extraterrestrial entities or non human entities, and the notion that mankind can become
like a God ourselves through the agency of technology. You blend those two things
together, and you have a new religion, apotheo theism, and I believe
that is a religion of the future. So these are the three concentric circles
that I see merging. And when these things come together. As they come
together, we are going to be seeing a radical alteration of human society,
radical radical alteration of human biology and human society. Even the way that we
interact with technology will be radically different in the future. And uture is posthuman.
Yeah, now that's a beautiful thought in general. I mean, I
hope so at least in terms of if we survive it, and I think
that we're not talking about necessarily extinction of humanity, but the evolution of humanity,
you know, and what then this advanced technology will lead to. You
know, I've them in the opinion that we are closer to cavemen than we
are closer to being at the pinnacle of technological advancement. And I think when
you look at through that lens, than what you just said makes total sense.
Now, my last question related to that would be, oh, go
ahead. I was gonna say, well, if you are a secular humanist,
the prospect of becoming posthuman may be exciting, but if you care about
preserving humanity at all genetically speaking, you might even say consciously speaking, psychically
speaking, if you care about preserving humanity at all, then it is very
frightening prospect. The idea of us losing our humanity, those trademarks that make
us Homo sapiens. Losing those trademarks, I think certainly, biblically speaking,
there are some there are some exceedingly grave consequences associated with that. So if
you're not concerned with preserving humanity, there's no reason why we shouldn't become posthuman.
It would seem natural progression of evolution by natural selection, right, but
in this case, so it would be directed evolution if you are concerned with
preserving humanity, if there is any reason whatsoever to preserve human humanity. And
really there's two questions here, what does it mean to be a human being?
And is our humanity worth preserving? Depending how you answer those questions,
I think will determine your outlook. And in regard to post humanism, Yeah,
that kind of leads my follow up, which is from the moral standpoint,
like, where do you think humanity has to get to to ensure our
continued existence regarding this posthuman apocalypse or world that you know we combine ourselves with
the technology because my mind, I don't think we're there yet. From a
moral standpoint, what what are your views on that? Well, it depends
on what your worldview is, what your paradigm is, again I'll refer to
my own. If you're coming from a biblical paradigm, then then the consequence
of evolving out of Adam, let's say, are dire. Our graves believe
there's some very dynamic things that will happen in the earth if we forfeit.
And that's why my book is called birthright. By the way, if we
forfeit our birthright, a human birthright. But even in just even just considering
though the integration of our biology with technology, you're you're going to fundamentally change
what it means to be a human beings. So you're going into a landscape
that is completely uncertain. And by the way, add into this, add
into this equation, and this is really part of that circle that encompasses transhumanism
and posthumanism is robotics and artificial intelligence. That's a whole other thing that's developing.
And so I see a future in which we can't hardly control ourselves now
with the level of technology that we have. If we are given more power
to destroy the earth, to droll each other, to oppress too, if
we give government more our governments, any government, pick any government you want
on planet Earth. If you give them more power, more technological power,
more control, They're just going to become more tyrannical. You're just going to
lose more of your freedom. They're going to use these tools against us for
sure, to control us. And that's so people who love freedom, uh
and are independent, I think the advancement of technology. I'm not a lutite.
There's there's the levels at which there's degrees of technological advancement that are that
are absolutely necessary medical advancement, for example. Uh, there's there's degrees of
offense technology and so forth that I'm obviously very much in favor of. But
there's a we're going to cross a line at some point in the future when
you begin to modify human biology, human psychology, when you begin to use
these technologies to go beyond what's beneficial to society, for example, that that
point we're going to reach that point with artificial intelligence. It's there's there's some
there, there's there is some future in which artificial intelligence does become dangerous and
and a threat to the human species. And and when that where that threshold
is, I don't know, but certainly Elon Musk is concerned about that.
That's why he's trying to develop neuralink so that we can we can keep pace
with artificial intelligence, which he rightly understands as this exponential Uh. Once we
once we let this thing loose, artificial intelligence is going to be teaching itself,
upgrading itself, and it's gonna and it's going to get out of control.
It's almost inevitable, you know. And there's something called the inevitabile inevitability
thesis or or it's also called the technological impairment imperative. And what that means
is what it proposes is that once a useful technology is introduced into society,
what follows is the inevitable development of that technology. That technology will be developed
to its maximum utility. It's for sure, and nothing will stop it.
That includes artificial intelligence, that includes human genetic engineering, that includes the brain
interfacing technologies, that includes weapon building weapons, It applies to everything. So
you know, we've introduced all of these new technologies and it's all it's an
infancy and all of this is going to get out of all really fast,
I think. And so is it just that we have a bleique future.
No, because again I'm going to revert back to my own perspective, which
is a biblical perspective. The end of the book is actually very very,
very positive, depending on what your allegiance is. And so I don't have
just this apocalyptic, bleak view of the future. But at the same time,
I understand where all of this is hitded and it's going to get pretty
chaotic. I think the AI thing is what scares me a lot keeps me
up. There seems like there's a lot of ways where things can may not
go well for us from the humanity perspective, so kind of I guess one
last bonus question here is what is your thoughts on our humanity in general?
I mean, what I'm getting at, I guess is that there are a
few theories out there, one of like the prison planet theory, the idea
that we've been reset in the past. Do you have any thoughts on that
kind of related to all of this and what you've kind of learned throughout your
time on this Earth and being investigating phenomenon that you mean genetically. I think
that like from like I'm thinking of stuff like Graham Hancock talking about like ancient
apocalypse. There's being like these flood myths that are out there in terms of
like civilization having been reset. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely concur with that.
I think there were it is, and I'm going to use them,
although it's there's some confusion here. I do believe there was there was an
advanced civilization inhabiting the Earth. How advanced I don't know, perhaps even using
a different track of technology that we have today and advanced civilization and habiting the
Earth that was obliterated in a global cataclysm. I absolutely affirm that. I
think there's a lot a lot of evidence for that, and I myself have
been exploring that question for more than a decade, So I would concur with
Graham that there was an advanced civilization on planet Earth at one time universal,
I think to some extent, and maybe there were some survivors interesting so well,
I think that this is probably a good time to wind it up.
Thank you very much, Timothy Aburino for being on hard Truths. Is there
anything that you want to plug here for the folks that have been watching,
And I just want to thank you as well very much for your time.
You can get my book Birthright, The Coming post Human Lips and the Usurpation
of Adam's Dominion. I'm planet Earth if you if you're interested in my my
perspective on some of the things we talked about. My YouTube channel Timothy Alborno,
and I'm on I'm on x and Instagram. My handle is always the
same Timothy Alberno, no spaces, no dots, and thanks a lot for
having me on. It's It's it's it's been my pleasure, Eshton. Yeah,
this was an awesome conversation. Let's be in touch for sure, just
because I think we see eye to eye at a lot of topics out there,
and I'd just like to be in touch with you and figure out what's
next in general. So thank you very much, mister Timothy Aberno for being
on hard truths. Thank you, sir, Okay, I'm going to okay.
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