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Hello, everybody. This is Hard
Truths number seven with Ashton Forbes. This

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is the podcast where we get to
the hard truths. We ask the questions

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that you don't hear elsewhere on the
media. And today my guest is Timothy

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Aberrino. He is a director,
writer, and producer and investigator. Recently

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he has been known for going on
to Peru and investigating the Peru sightings that

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have been seen there in some of
the villages and some of the towns in

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that area. So today what we're
going to be talking about is we're going

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to dig into a little bit of
his investigative work and then we will talk

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about some spiritual, philosophical, technological
considerations for humanity and the evolution of our

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species. So, without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and bring

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up mister Timothy Aberno. Hello,
sir, thank you for coming on Hard

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Trews today. How are you doing. I'm doing well. Thanks for having

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me on eshten and thanks you for
being here. The first thing I want

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to say right off the bat is
that I appreciate your investigative spirit. From

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looking into you. You're the kind
of person that doesn't just accept the information

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that's been presented to them. You
get there, you get your hands dirty,

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you kind of jump into it,
and you know, find out what

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you know, your own kind of
beliefs based on your own experiences. So

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I want to appreciate that from one
investigator to another. And I want to

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start by asking you what got you
interested in you know, investigating incidents and

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you know history and all the stuff
that you've been doing the past few years

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and in your life. I would
say that my interest in all these topics

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began when I was nineteen years old. I when I was eighteen years old,

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I dropped out of high school,
I moved to the Amazon in Peru,

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and by the time I was nineteen, I was I was living in

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the Amazon, and that's really when
all of this began for me. I

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had some very interesting experiences, very
personal experiences that really set the stage for

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everything that I'm doing now. So
I would say that's it goes back to

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when I was nineteen years old.
I haven't been in the public domain.

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I wasn't in the public domain until
about I would say, maybe twelve years

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ago, ten years ago. And
for the last decade or so, I've

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been traveling around the world investigating all
kinds of things, things pertaining to ancient

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history, law, civilizations, giants, megaliths, and also ufology, aliens

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and UFOs and what got you interested
in the Peru situation? What was How

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did you get connected to that,
to the one that unfolded this summer.

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Yeah, I was. I don't
remember exactly how my attention was drawn to

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that, probably through social media,
I would imagine, like everyone else.

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Remember, I saw one of the
videos that came out of the village of

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San Antonio, the Pintuyaku, and
it was alarming. It was a video

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of the villagers running around at nighttime
with flashlights and they were discharging their firearms

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in the jungle. They were in
a state of panic, and they were

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claiming in the video that what they
were, what they were confronting, was

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not human, one of them said. Others were talking about beings or people

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who were who seemed to be in
possession of advanced technology. So it was

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very intriguing. The story itself was
very intriguing, and I had lived in

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close to that region of the jungle
that's called the Alto Nanai, and I

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lived for some period in the in
the nine eye On, in the Alton

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nine. I but also adjacent to
the Alto Naneay up the River Mansan,

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north east of the city of Aiktos. This particular incident happened in the village

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of San Antonio Pintuyacu, which is
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the city of Aketos. But I'm
very familiar with that region. I learned

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to speak Spanish there and I speak
their particular dialect which is called Shatapa,

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which is a mix of Spanish in
Quechua, primarily Spanish. So I kind

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of cut my teeth in that part
of the jungle when I was nineteen years

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old, and so being familiar with
the area, it seemed like it seemed

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like appropriate for me to go and
conduct this investigation. I waited for a

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while to see if someone else would
go and do it. I had some

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things going on, and so I
was waiting to see if somebody was going

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to go up there and conduct an
an investigation. Subsequent to these incidences,

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which were happening from mid July to
the beginning of August, two police officers,

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two Peruvian police officers from the city
of Aikidos, did go and investigate.

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They had a navy escort and they
conducted what I always described as a

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piss poor investigation. It was not
very well done. In fact, they

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walked away with this absurd story.
They literally concocted the story. I found

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out later of these they said that
the villagers were being assaulted by river miners

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with state of the art jet packs. And I knew when that story came

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out, I knew that that could
not be true for various reasons, and

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so it just sort of it created
another layer of mystique over this situation that

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was unfolding in the proving Amazon.
And then I saw all the press,

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both the Peruvian press and the American
press, ran with that story and it

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was this case closed. We know
that it was, you know, miners

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with jet say, they our jet
packs and nothing to see here anymore,

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Let's move on. And that really
bothered me because I knew that wasn't true.

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So, long story short, I
decided to mount an expedition and I

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charted a riverboat. I was fortunate
to have my friend Doug Thornton, who

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was an ex Infantry Marine DHS operator, joined me. I contacted the village

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thanks to my colleague ufologist Ronnie Vernett, helped me get in contact with the

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village, and I talked to the
chief of the village, Yapu, and

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actually I received an official investigation from
the village to go and conduct to conduct

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my investigation, I received an official
invitation. So I also found out that

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the village is that the village was
in dire straits in regard to their supplies.

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They were running low on supplies because
they were not going out into the

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jungle to harvest from their farms or
hunt. They were living in a state

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of terror. They were patrolling their
village continually every single night, and so

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we were able to also turn it
into kind of a humanitarian effort, and

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we were able to supply thanks to
my friends from Condo A Church, Pastor

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Darren Tyler and Jay Brandenburg and some
of the guys from Condo A Church.

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They helped me co fund the expedition
and we were able to bring them supplies,

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food and medical supplies and also strategic
technology. We brought them because we

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knew that they were conducting these patrols
every night to protect their village from these

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strange assailants. So we brought them
high powered flashlights, we brought them,

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we brought them thermo binoculars, night
vision goggles with recording capabilities, and radios.

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So, and I don't know if
you want me just to get into

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what we discovered or so. I
a couple quick questions on some of the

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stuff that you just mentioned there.
First of all, why do you think

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you're the only person who went to
investigate. I mean, I know that

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the police or whatever did this investigation, came up with this miners with jetpackstory,

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which I'll be honest, I think
it is absurd as well. I

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think that, you know, it
seems at least as plausible as this idea

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that there's people with advanced technology in
my mind, but you know, I

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guess maybe I'm not the normies out
there. So what is your thoughts though

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on why you know, why you
why didn't nobody else go out there and

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do it? Because I think that
that's something I've noticed as well, is

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that, especially in this age of
social media, everybody wants to commenta but

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nobody wants to get their hands dured. No one wants to get out there

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and do the work. So what
are your thoughts on that. Yeah,

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I was kind of surprised when I
went to the village I found out that

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aside from those two police officers,
we were the first people to come and

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conduct an investigation. Now there are
some interviews floating around online where you have

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Peruvian journalists interviewing some of the people
there, interviewing the girl Talia, the

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fifteen year old girl who was there, was an attempt at deduction and they

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tried to deduct her. So I
had seen these interviews and had and had

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assumed that these interviews were conducted in
the village. Not so, the interviews

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were conducted in i Ketos. No
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the reason why no one had gone
to the village is because it takes two

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days to get there up the river. It's very remote. In fact,

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it's it's pretty much the last village. There's a tiny village associated with the

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village of San Antonio that's sort of
like a satellite village connected to it.

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But San Antonio, the Pintuyaku is
the last outpost of civilization before a vast

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expanse of Amazon jungle stretching all the
way up to Ecuador and Colombia in the

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north. So it's very remote,
it's it's not easy to get to and

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and it's you know, it's the
Amazon. You're deep in the Amazon,

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so it's not it's not a very
comfortable trip and all. So in add

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in the the the additional element of
danger because you don't know what you're going

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to find up there. I certainly
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that these were cartels, drug traffickers, human traffickers. We had no idea

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what we were going to find.
So there's an element of danger as well,

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and I think all of that dissuaded
anyone from going and conducting an investigation.

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Also, you need to speak Spanish, and you need you need at

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least to be familiar with the dialect
or have somebody with you who's familiar with

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it with Chadappa to really be able
to communicate with these people. So all

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of those factors I think were inhibitive
of other people going in and getting the

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job done. Awesome, Yeah,
and what about you mentioned you know the

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mainstream media is reporting on this as
this miners with jet packs, And what

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are your feelings in general on the
way the media reports incidents like this,

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and how do you think they could
do better in the future. Well,

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I can't believe that the media ran
with that story because in the beginning,

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the proving press was taking story very
very seriously. It was gravely serious the

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way that they were reporting it.
I was quite surprised. They weren't ridiculing

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the the the villagers, they weren't
even doubting the story it was. It

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was. It was creating quite a
bit of fear in Peru at the time

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and trepidation. And so when the
when the jetpack story came out, it

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sort of assuaged everyone's fears and it
provided a prosaic answer that I think a

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lot of people were hoping for and
it in What really surprised me wasn't that

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the Peruvian press ran with this explanation, with this concoction. What really surprised

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me was that the American press ran
with it. Even News Nation, who

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broke the story with David grush and
and has been very bold in reporting UFO

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related stories, just ran with the
jetpack minor story case closed. It was

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minors with state of the art jetpacks, with no contacts, with no understanding

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of whether or not that is even
feasible. They didn't bring in anyone like

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myself who's lived in the area or
familiar with it. With the Amazon proving

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Amazon and the villages, and it
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the media, even with these alternative
media sites like news Nations. So I

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can only say that the reason why
the American press ran with this story is

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because that's what the Peruvian press confirmed. Yeah, so just as a rundown,

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and I want you to correct me
when I kind of go through this

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a little bit if there's anything I
got wrong here, is that the locals

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there believed that these were similar to
these beings called the face peelers, that

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these people or whoever was harassing them
or on like essentially equivalent of circular hover

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boards that seemed to have some type
of anti gravitational technology or capabilities, but

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they also had some type of boots. I believe that they were using as

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perhaps kind of a mechanism to turn
it off or on. That there were

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some advanced aerospace vehicles that were similar
to an acorn shape if they were to

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be turned on their side. And
I think I even read something about or

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saw something about there being some scanning
capabilities out there. What do you I

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mean? In my opinion, from
what I've gleaned from your investigation, these

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people were terrorized. I think there's
no doubt in my mind that people were

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terrorized up there. What do you
think it really was that was going on.

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Well, the people, the communities
out there in the jungle, they

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do believe that this is the face
peeler phenomenon, that these are the face

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peelers, and the face peelers.
The face peeler phenomenon is it's about.

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It goes back to the eighties,
back to the mid eighties, so it's

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a few decades old. And when
I lived in the jungle, I heard

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about the face peelers, and basically
it's sort of an old it was an

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old wives tale where they would tell
their children, for example, don't go

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out in the jungle at night,
or the face peelers will get you.

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And the face peelers they're they're called
face peelers because people every now and again

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would would end up missing in the
jungle and then they would discover their bodies

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and they would they would be missing
part of their face. And usually it's

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very clean cut, so we're not
talking about depredation from animals or piranhas or

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something like that. It's a laser
precision and so this was always as I

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said sort of like an old a
fairy tale, an old wives tale.

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And but the people in the jungle
absolutely believed it was true. And if

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you were to ask them who are
these face peelers, you would get different

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answers, basically one of two answers. Some people are going to tell you

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they're gringos with advanced technology, and
I'm talking about the native communities. They're

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going to tell you they're gringos with
advanced technology that are here or organ harvesting

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or whatever. And and some people
will tell you that they're non human antidy

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he's there, aliens or some sort
of non human creature with advanced technology.

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So you get a mix of both. And some people tell you that they

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think it could be both of those
things combined. And again when I say

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some people, I'm talking about the
communities themselves. In this case in San

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Antonio, the Pintuyaku, we're talking
about the Ekitu tribe. This is a

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very old Amazonian tribe, very important
old Amazonian tribe. The Kitu language is

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very interesting. There aren't many people
who speak it anymore. And this village

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had had had not previous previously experienced
an incursion like this, or the or

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the phenomenon of the face peelar phenomenon
to this extent, or if ever for

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that matter. So this was brand
new to them, but they were associating

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associating it with the face peelar phenomenon
because of the attempted abduction of the fifteen

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year old girl named Taliah. And
Talia was was she went through this very

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traumatizing incident in which and it was
a evening, just after dark, she

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was picking fruit from her tree in
her backyard and the fruit fell to the

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ground. She bent over to pick
it up, and she felt a gentle

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breeze at her back, and she
saw the leaves, the dry leaves,

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rustling around her. And she turned
around to see what was causing this breeze,

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and she saw an assailant, a
tall person dressed from head to foot

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in black, in a black armed
body suit, and he had a helmet

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on and the helmet was elongated in
the back and the eyes were sort of

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the eyelands were almond shaped. She
says, they were green. Others told

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me they're yellow. Maybe they're a
greenish yellow. And this individual, this

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assailant, was surfing, was surfing
on a circular hoverboard platform, but there

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was no noise associated with it.
She didn't hear anything. She felt the

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breeze. In her backyard, there's
sort of a gally. It's a forested

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gallie. There's jungle there. And
around this little gally, this forested gulli

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are other houses. So this is
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this individual, this assailant, was
surfing around the trees. He comes up

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the hill and he lands right behind
her, and he grabs her from behind,

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and he puts his hand over her
mouth. And as and as this

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is happening, he notices another guy
coming up the same equipment, black armor,

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bodysuit, elongated helmet. He comes
up the hill, he lands in

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front of her and grabs her feet
and then they proceed to carry her over

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behind this this thatched roofed chicken coop
that's in her backyard. And and they

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long story short, without going into
all the details, they proceeded to cut

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her face off. They took out
a what I think is a laser syringe

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the way she describes it, and
they began to make an incision right here

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below her jawline, and she started
to struggle and they dropped her. They

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were holding her they dropped her because
she started to push up on one of

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the masks, on one of the
helmets behind her, and then she's pushing

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up on the helmet. He let
her go for a minute to try and

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pull his helmet down, and she
screamed, and all of the neighbors came

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running with flashlights because they were already
in the state of vigilance. This wasn't

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the first incursion. This was the
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but it was not the first incursion
into the village. So all the

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villagers were in a state of vigilance, and they were sitting on their porches,

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their patios with their shotguns and their
flashlights, at the very least their

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flashlights. So when she screamed the
moment she screamed, her brother and the

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neighbors came running, and I talked
to them. They saw these assailants floating

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on these hoverboards. By the time
they got there, they were dragging Talia

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by her hair one of them,
and they dragged dropped the hill a little

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bit, and when they saw that
they were surrounded by the villagers, they

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maneuvered on their boards to where there
was an opening in the trees, and

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then they shot up in the sky
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It is important to note that Talia
there was an anomaly. And I interviewed

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many people in the village, probably
thirty forty fifty people in the village,

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and Talia she had a detail that
I didn't hear from anyone else. She

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said that she heard the assailants speaking. One of them spoke and broken Spanish

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with a Gringo accent, and the
other one spoke like a Peruvian. They

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were both tall, she said,
they were both taller than me. One

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of them was exceptionally tall. She
called him the gringo because he had the

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broken accent speaking in Spanish, and
the other one she called the Peruvian because

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he was shorter and he spoke like
her. And she heard them. And

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for example, when they were before
they cut her neck, before they began

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to make this incision, they took
out a cream and they mixed this cream

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with some powder, and they well, they shot it up her nose with

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a nasal syringe, and this sort
of put her in an altered state of

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consciousness. And then they took out
another They took out another tube of cream

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and they began to smear it all
over her face, and it made her

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face go numb before they began to
cut it. And she said she heard

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them the one saying to the other, be careful, don't put too much

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on her face. It'll ruin the
flesh. And she said what they meant

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was that it would make it difficult
for this to separate the skin from the

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tissue beneath. And so she says
she heard them speaking. Now, Talia's

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was very traumatized. She had severe
PTSD and was trembling like a leaf the

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entire time I was talking to her. She's very very traumatized young lady.

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So I don't know if she actually
heard them speaking or if she confabulated them

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speaking. I don't know. But
if they're speaking Spanish, especially broken Spanish,

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then these are human beings. Maybe
something a little more interesting than that,

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but but very like the human beings. And you mentioned this technology that

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they have, so apart from the
apart from these hoverboards, which are not

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this is not conventional technology. We're
not talking about propellers. This is not

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propellers. There's some other kind of
technology here, unconventional technology because it's silent

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and and it's it just does not
conform to the propeller technology the drones that

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people surf on that you can find
online. And apart from that, they

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also have they're also in possession of
what I would describe as advanced aerospace vehicles.

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You mentioned they look like they look
like acorns on their side, so

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they're narrower in the front and they
and they want widen out in the back.

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These vehicles, they're about the size
of a small aircraft like a private

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jet or a large helicopter like a
Chinook or a black helicopter. But they're

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completely silent except for when they move
away, they make a low frequency humming

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sound. I had various villagers draw
these craft in the dirt for me.

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They all drew the same thing,
and one individual who had a really remarkable

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story, he drew the craft on
an acrylic board for me. And this

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individual he was pulling up his nets
at three am and it was pitch black

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outside, and suddenly he said,
it was like someone turned the lights on

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or the sun came up. Everything
was illuminated around him, and he was

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looking at the water and he saw
there's something bright above him. So he

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looks up and he sees this craft, this acorn shaped craft. He's looking

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straight up at it. It does
not have any wings, It doesn't have

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any propellers, any propulsion to any
propulsion systems to speak of. It has

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these little nubs in the place of
wings, like rounded protrusions that as he

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was observing this craft, those nubs
opened up. They they opened up,

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and they deployed. There was a
series of lights as if it was scanning,

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and it was there for quite for
quite a while, at least like

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a minute or two. He's looking
at this craft. And what was really

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interesting about his testimony testimony was the
craft that he saw was transparent. He

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said it had like a sort of
a mesh fuselage, like some sort of

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mesh like material that you could see
through. And in fact he saw two

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people inside. He saw somebody like
in the cockpit area and another person sitting

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in the middle. And again,
multiple villagers described this craft to me,

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and they saw it. They would
They all saw it about, you know,

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thirty forty feet above their head.
In some cases it was just hovering

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above some of the houses the village, and in this case it was hovering

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above the river. And so obviously
whoever these assailants are are in possession of

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unconventional advanced technology. There's no question
about it. This is not propellers.

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By the way, the people in
this village, this village is unique.

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San Antonio Pintuyaku is unique because there's
a there's a communications outpost that the provincial

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government built in the village, and
that communications outpost has an Internet satellite uplink,

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and so if you go there in
the evening, you're going to find

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some of the villagers sitting in the
government building watching movies on YouTube or whatever.

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So these guys are not uninformed.
They're very much aware pop culture.

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They know exactly what helicopters are.
They see military helicopters from time to time

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flying around because they're going out there
to run missions against the drug traffickers,

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and so they know what a helicopter
is. They know what it sounds like.

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They know what planes are. Planes
routinely fly over the village, a

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small aircraft, you know, like
Cessna planes. They watch movies, They

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watch all the they watch all the
same movies we do, the Marvel movies

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and all this. They know what
a propeller is. They know what a

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jet engine is and sounds like and
so when they're describing the technology, it's

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not like you know, ignorant native
people who are describing a conventional airplane,

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but they don't know how to describe
it. No, No, that's not

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what we're talking about. These people
are as informed with pop culture. They

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know what the world looks like as
much as we do. They're using internet,

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they have social media accounts. So
that's important to to delineate that because

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you know, some people may say, well, they're probably just seeing a

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helicopter and they think it's you know, they don't understand what they're looking at.

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That is not the case. I
can ensure everyone they are describing advanced

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aerospace vehicles unconventional technology without question.
Yeah. People love their prosaic explanations too,

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right. They love to come up
with something, Oh, it's some

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balloons, it's a helicopter, it's
Chinese lanterns, really anything except for something

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that may be uncomfortable to people in
general. So a couple just kind of

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clarification points on that. One question
that I'm not sure if you got an

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answer to is did they say when
they were scanning this, I'm gonna just

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call it a UFO because that's i
guess what it is. By technicality,

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did they say what color the lights
were when they were scanning, by any

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chance, yes, he did.
I'd have to go back and look at

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the video. But if I recall, I want to say they said blue,

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red, and white. I think
I think they were consistent. The

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colors were consistent on the on the
boards because the the discs had had a

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series of lights around them too.
In fact, when these incursions would begin,

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when these episodes would begin, where
these assailants would come into the village,

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it would begin by them seeing these
like saucers flying around sky silently,

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just flying around over the village.
But if they were to take their flashlight

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and put it and flash up at
the saucer, if it was close enough,

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they'd see the silhouette of a person
on top. Right. So these

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guys are floating above, are flying
around above the village on these saucers,

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and the saucers have the capability to
completely stop, you know, to be

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stationary in the air with no sound. And then the assailants would go land

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in the jungle between the openings and
the trees, and they would either walk

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into the village or some of the
villagers told me a few of the men

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told me they were floating, and
I said, you mean on the disks,

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and they said, no, no, they were just floating off of

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their shoes. They have these they
have these little disks on the bottom of

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their shoes that project a light and
they can float like a meter off the

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ground. A few guys told me
this. In fact, one of the

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guys said, he said, listen, I was standing here. I went

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to all the locations right where they
were encountering these guys, and they walked

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to me through the encounters. He
said, I was standing here and it

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was just after dark, and I
have my flashlight and I saw one of

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them here. I put my flashlight
on him and he was right there in

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front of me, and I'm telling
you, he was floating on He had

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discs on the bottom of his shoes, not to be confused with the with

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the with the hoverboard disc like,
I'm talking about two discs on the bottom

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of his on their boots or footwear. And he said he was just floating

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there. And he said, I
shot him point blank, rangenge with it

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with my sixteen gag shotgun and he
fell back on his back. So the

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blast knocked him back but then he
just hopped back up in the air,

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resumed floating and moved away. And
the guys telling me that when they would

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shoot these to shoot the assailants,
they would hear the shotgun bebies dinking off

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of their body armor. And they
set up traps around the village as well.

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They set these traps up. They
take these tubes and they put a

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shotgun cartridge in it, and they
have a firing mechanism like a hammer mechanism

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when the rope is triggered and they
use it. They used these traps to

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catch small game, but they modified
them. They modified the bird shot and

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they melt the bird shot down and
they make they make bigger bbes, so

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they make slugs out of them,
right, and they made these slugs.

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They modified the bird shots so each
each canister had a few slugs in it,

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maybe four slugs in it. And
they raised up that They raised the

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traps up so that they would be
the level of the knee, at the

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knee height right to try and literally
take these guys out at the knees with

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these traps. And they told me
that they would hear they set nine of

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them up, they would hear the
traps going off at night, and then

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they'd go to check them. They'd
go check them out, and the traps

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were triggered, and they would see
the footprints of the assailants, which were

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two discs on each side, so
two circles, that's what. And they

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were very large, they said,
the footprints. But there was no blood,

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there was no shrapnel, almost as
if these guys were just triggering the

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traps for fun, right these assailants. In fact, these traps are very

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dangerous. One of the ladies accidentally
walked into one and blew a hole in

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her thighs previous to our visit.
So anyway, we're dealing with, you

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know, a physical phenomenon and unconventional
technology that I know and I've that I

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can confirm. Yeah, well,
yeah, I mean, I have no

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difficult time believing in advanced technology.
My personal opinion, which I've put out

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there, is that I absolutely believe
that there is advanced technology that's out there

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that's unknown to the vast majority of
the world in general. So am I

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correct? And assuming that your opinion
then is that these were humans with advanced

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technology and this is not aliens or
anything like that, and then what would

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you say their motive then is are
they trying to harvest people or just terrify

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people? And then lastly, how
long do you think this was going on?

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I think I heard that there hasn't
been any more incidents since you went

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there. But if you can clarify
any of that, feel free. I

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cannot say for certain who the assailants
are. If in fact they spoke broken

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Spanish, one of them as Talia
according to Tullia's testimony, then we're dealing

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with humans, and we're probably dealing
with a mix of gringos and locals,

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local maybe paramilitary guys. We could
be dealing with a mix. We could

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be dealing with a a cooperation,
a co op between human and non human

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factions. Of course that that seems
fantastical, but it is within the realm

407
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:45.559
of possibility. Considering the kind of
technology on display in these incidents. It

408
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.720
it's definitely not minors with jet packs. It's not cartels. And this is

409
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:56.720
simply by way of logical deduction.
If the if the Sinaloa cartel, for

410
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.839
example, in Mexico, had the
kind of technology that's been deployed in the

411
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.160
jungle of Peru, we would see
it. They wouldn't hesitate to use it.

412
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:10.400
They would certainly use it against the
Mexican military. They have the cartels

413
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:15.359
have military weapons grade ammunitions, there's
no question about it. They have weapons

414
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:22.160
grade equipment, military weapons grade equipment. But they don't have advanced aerospace vehicles,

415
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:27.799
they don't have anti gravity gravity technology, they don't have the kind of

416
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.920
stuff that these villagers are encountering.
So there are aspects of this phenomenon that

417
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.279
seem very human to me. For
example, aside from this village, also

418
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:44.519
I investigated a couple other incidents,
one in the city, not village,

419
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.279
city of Nauta thirty five thirty six
thousand inhabitants. And the reason why that

420
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:52.000
is important that detail is because a
lot of people are out there saying that

421
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.519
these are cartels or miners who are
just trying to drive these villagers off their

422
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.960
land in the jungle so that they
can harvest gold or something like that.

423
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:06.720
But we know that's not true because
there were the same sort of phenomenon.

424
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:12.519
A phenomenon was taking place in the
city of Nauta, which is a couple

425
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.920
hours down the river towards Ikdos,
thirty five thirty six thousand inhabitants, they're

426
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:22.799
not going to drive those people off
their land. That's obviously not the purpose

427
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.720
here. That's not the objective is
to drive thirty five thousand inhabitants out of

428
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:32.440
a jungle city. These people have
been there for centuries, and that's just

429
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:38.200
illogical. Something else is going on. They're after something else. And I

430
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.519
talked to a man named Pablo,
young man named Pablo, from a different

431
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:50.240
village and a different part of the
proving Amazon. It's southwest of the village

432
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:54.000
of San Antonio Pintuyaku, and it's
near the city of yody Maguas. And

433
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.799
this individual they encountered the same phenomenon. They saw the guys on the discs,

434
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.799
black armored body suits, elongated helmets, same dudes, right. And

435
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.480
this guy said he was taking a
bath in the river and suddenly he heard

436
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:14.880
people yelling Felakata's face peelers, face
peelers, And he comes running out.

437
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.679
He's got a towel around his waist. He grabs his flashlight and his shotgun

438
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:23.679
and he begins to pursue a couple
of these guys on foot. They're running

439
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:28.360
through the jungle. He's running behind
them and he gets close enough he shoots

440
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.679
he discharges his shotgun and he hits
one and again he hears the dinking off

441
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:36.280
off of their body armor. But
he said, I think I hit their

442
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:42.440
propulsion system, whatever it is,
which is probably in their shoes. These

443
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.079
guys were not on the disc.
They were just running into These guys were

444
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.440
by the way. They might have
exoskeletons. They might have exo suits as

445
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:55.000
well, because they're all described as
being inhumanly agile the way they can move

446
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.880
through the jungle. So I'm thinking
maybe we're dealing with exosuits there. But

447
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:05.599
he shot one of them, and
he must have hit the propulsion system because

448
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.280
this guy, this assailant, was
having a hard time lifting up into the

449
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:15.119
air, and so Pablo, when
he saw that this guy's having a hard

450
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.159
time getting off the ground, he
charged him and he tackled him. He

451
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.119
grabbed he got him around the waist. And as soon as he grabbed the

452
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.800
guy around the waist, and he
said, the guy was lifting off of

453
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.679
the ground as he's holding him,
he's holding him down. And he said

454
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.920
that this this face peeler guy.
He took out this he said it was

455
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.559
like a mini flashlights. It was
a laser, and he hit him with

456
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:43.159
a laser, and Pablo instantly went
unconscious, and his dad and some of

457
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:47.320
the other guys found him and and
and revived him. And since since that

458
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.239
incident, he's had heart troubles.
So this is a very this is a

459
00:35:52.320 --> 00:36:00.119
very tactile, tangible phenomenon that smacks
that that seems to me to be a

460
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:08.199
human encounter, but I can't say
for sure. My working hypothesis is we're

461
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.800
dealing with We're dealing with human,
very nefarious human beings in possession of advanced

462
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.280
technology. What are they doing,
what are they harvesting? Well, apparently

463
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:21.599
they are trying to harvest faces,
because there was a boy near the city

464
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:28.239
of Nauta who previous to our visit, was rescued in the same sort of

465
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:37.239
scenario. He unfortunately sustained deep lacerations
on both sides of his neck, very

466
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.000
very gruesome. I posted that video
on my Twitter account, and it's hard

467
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.199
to find online where it's not blurred. I found the one where it's not

468
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.159
blurred and very very gruesome, very
deep. He almost died, he almost

469
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.039
bled out. They were able to
rush him to the hospital in Auta.

470
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.039
They saved his life, and he
says it was a face peeler assault,

471
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:04.400
and that's what everybody says. So
are these the faces of you know,

472
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.719
of legend in the jungle or are
or is this a group of individuals who

473
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.920
want everyone to think they're face peelers
as cover for something else that they're doing.

474
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:20.119
I tend to think that because with
all this technology that they obviously have,

475
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.960
why is it so difficult for them
to accomplish the mission in harvest faces?

476
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.400
I feel like they just want to
scare people, and they want they

477
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.840
want the people to think that they're
the face peelers of the legend, when

478
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:36.679
in fact, something else is going
on. There's a different operation underway in

479
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.840
the jungle that and they don't want
people to to catch wind of that.

480
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:44.440
They want everyone to think that this
is the face peeler phenomenon. That's sort

481
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:51.079
of my working hypothesis. However,
having said that, in the city of

482
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.400
Nauta, I found out that the
people of Nuta, who experience the same

483
00:37:53.440 --> 00:38:01.719
phenomenon the guys on the discs dressed
in black, they also had flying saucers

484
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.599
hovering over their village, so,
you know, the typical saucer. So

485
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.320
that's what makes me wonder if there's
some sort of a cooperation happening here between

486
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:19.599
human nefarious human and non human forces
entities. Again, that sounds fantastical,

487
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:24.000
but it's within the realm of possibility, at least as far as I'm concerned.

488
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:29.639
Yeah, and I like to keep
my mind open to any possibility in

489
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:31.400
general out there, especially related to
this UFO phenomenon. I mean, if

490
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:37.480
we have anti gravitational tech and other
technology that can do stuff that we considered

491
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.679
you magic, then I think we
really have to consider all possibilities. And

492
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.360
so that's why I really like your
investigation, because you know you've considered all

493
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.280
avenues. You clearly seem to be
going into this with an open mind,

494
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.639
not really with necessary any bias.
But I would say, is have you

495
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.840
seen you know, you've done other
types of investigations, You've traveled potentially the

496
00:38:54.840 --> 00:39:00.039
world. Have you ever seen anything
similar like this ever before? Yes?

497
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.639
I have. Actually brook Park,
Ohio. I grew up in brook Park,

498
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.440
Ohio, and moved away, went
and lived in Peru, and then

499
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.119
I came back to live for a
short period of time. Brook Park is

500
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:14.559
a suburb of Cleveland, the city
of Cleveland. I came and I was

501
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:16.679
living in Cleveland for a couple of
years before I moved out to Montana after

502
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:23.360
living having lived for a decade in
the Amazon in Peru. And when I

503
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.800
was living during this period of time
that I was living in brook Park,

504
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:32.480
I was in my thirties, early
thirties, actually my late twenties. To

505
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.760
give a little background here. I
would often walk over to my brother in

506
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.119
law's house, Tony, and he
and I would lift weights in his basement

507
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:47.039
together, and the topic of our
conversation was more often than not related to

508
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.239
UFOs aliens, reverse engineer technology,
crash retrievals, this sort of thing,

509
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.079
Bob Lazar, you know, Element
one fifteen. This was the topic of

510
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.360
our conversation most of the time.
And in fact, one particular evening where

511
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.840
we were talking about these things and
my brother wanted to run over to the

512
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.000
GNC store and buy some supplements,
and it was going to close soon,

513
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.199
so we decided to jump in the
car. It was in February, I

514
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.000
don't remember the date. It was
in February. It was very cold,

515
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.719
very windy. We jumped in my
car. We drove over to the suburb

516
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:23.159
of brook Park again where I grew
up, to the brook Eade shopping the

517
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:29.400
strip mall, the Brookade Shopping strip
Mall, and it was around I know,

518
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.440
the store was closing like at nine
or nine thirty, and we were

519
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:37.320
probably like eight forty five or something. We're approaching nine when we arrived.

520
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:43.880
And as we're approaching the brook Ade
Shopping Complex, we saw something hovering,

521
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.119
like a craft hovering over the building
on the corner of the complex. It

522
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.039
was just hovering there, and our
first thought was that the National Guard is

523
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.920
running a training exercise, because there
was a National Guard base not far from

524
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:01.440
there, and so that was our
first thought, and we instinctively we rolled

525
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:07.000
down the windows of the car because
we thought we would hear that telltale sound

526
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.440
of blades whipping through the air right
for helicopters, because these were obviously large

527
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.039
helicopters. Whatever it was, it
was a Chinnook or a black Hawk or

528
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.039
something like that, we heard nothing, and so we looked at each other

529
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.119
like, Okay, this is something
interesting. I pulled into the parking lot.

530
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:27.239
There was hardly anybody there because all
the stores were closing and it was

531
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.320
very cold. I just pulled in
the middle of the parking lot through the

532
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.800
car into park because this craft that
was hovering over the corner store. It

533
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:40.039
lifted off higher into the air and
it just turned very gently on its access

534
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:47.519
and began to move toward me.
And then it moved above a little bit

535
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:52.239
in front of my car and began
to descend. It got about thirty or

536
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.920
forty feet max. Above my car, and it just hovered there. And

537
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.199
it was shaped sort of. It
sort of had a delta shape, no,

538
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.679
not delta, like a diamond shape
to it. I don't remember exactly.

539
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.679
It definitely came to sort of a
rounded point in the front, and

540
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.159
it had the stubby protrusions on the
side. It didn't have wings. It

541
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:19.400
had these stubby protrusions just like they
described in in San Antonio Pinthuyaku. In

542
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.719
fact, maybe it was the same
thing. It might have been the very

543
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.039
same kind or something similar to that
aerospace vehicle that they were describing in the

544
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.800
jungle. I had a good long
look at it. It had it had

545
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:39.079
sort of an angular body armor like
a grayish like a grayish green. It

546
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.840
was hard to tell nighttime. It
sort of had like a grayish green angular

547
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:51.480
body armor, much like the F
one to seventeen Nighthawk stealth fighter. But

548
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.599
it wasn't shape like the stealth fighter
didn't have wings, but it had sort

549
00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.519
of that angular body armor, and
it had these triangle lights. There were

550
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.960
triangles and they were white, and
it had a series of I believe blue

551
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.920
and green lights around the fuselage.
If the thing was just hovering there completely

552
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.280
silently, it was about the size
of a large helicopter. No propulsion system

553
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.719
to speak of, no propellers,
no engines, and nothing, completely silent.

554
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.280
It was so windy that night that
my car was shaking back and forth

555
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.199
like this with the gusts of wind. Right this thing was completely unmoved,

556
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.519
as if it was in its own
gravitational bubble. As it was as if

557
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.639
it was in its own atmosphere,
completely unmoved. And we got a good

558
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.159
long look at this thing. I
could have hit it with a rock,

559
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.960
it was that close to my car. And ultimately I had a flip phone

560
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.039
back then, my brother in law
had a smartphone, and so I said,

561
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.679
Tony, your phone, your phone, and he sort of shook his

562
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.840
head like he was coming out of
a daze, and he started to feel

563
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.320
for his phone, and he found
it in his pocket. He started to

564
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.039
pull it out and he dropped it. And when he dropped it on the

565
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.360
floor, fumbling him for it because
it's dark in the car. He grabs

566
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:06.320
it, picks it up, you
know, trying to pull up his camera.

567
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.039
And when he gets it up like
this, the craft just lifts up

568
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.199
into the air and starts to move
away. And we jumped out of the

569
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.719
car, and it was so cold
and windy we couldn't believe that this thing

570
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:22.239
was just smoothly gliding away, no
sound, no propulsion system. So is

571
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.360
that what these guys saw in the
jungle? Is that what the villagers of

572
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:29.800
San Antonio and other villages, by
the way, we're encountering it very well

573
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.159
may be the stubby protrusions in the
place of wings really stood out to me

574
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:38.000
in their testimony because that's what I
saw. So I know without a shadow

575
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:45.639
of doubt that somebody has advanced unconventional
aerospace technology, without a shadow of a

576
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:52.159
doubt. Unconventional no propellers, no
jet engines. It's using a different kind

577
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.559
of physics. There's a different there's
different laws of physics that we haven't.

578
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.880
You know that even the physics professors
at Harvard have no ideas. There's exotic

579
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.840
elements like element when fifteen that Bob
Lazar talks about that don't come from planet

580
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.880
Earth, that we can't reproduce,
that have anti gravitational properties in that and

581
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:16.880
can create antimatter for examplemple So,
I think these craft are creating a sort

582
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:21.119
of like a gravity bubble around them. They're within their own atmosphere. They're

583
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.280
probably projecting gravity waves, generating gravity
waves. Like Bob Blazar said, there's

584
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:30.400
probably time dilation going on when you
get close to them, because when you

585
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:37.039
distort gravity, you're distorting space time. And so you know, all of

586
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:43.000
this technology seems to be have the
same properties that I encountered that the villagers

587
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.280
are encountering in that they're silent,
in that they can hover in place without

588
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:51.400
propellers and so forth. Yep.
Yeah, And if it makes you feel

589
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.679
any better, I mean, this
is just my own testimony and opinion is

590
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.480
that you're absolutely right. There are
crafts out there that are defining gravity.

591
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:02.599
I think that either the military industrial
complex or third party contractors or both have

592
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:07.239
this technology, and I think that
they're potentially hiding it from us. Before

593
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:13.079
we move on to the hiding,
I think they're absolutely hiding it from us.

594
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.360
I just got off the phone with
the congressman, one of the congressmen

595
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.599
that was that was in the briefing
the other day, and and there's no

596
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:25.320
question that this stuff is being obfuscated. There's so many layers of compartmentalization.

597
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.320
You said it, right, The
military industrial complex, what we call the

598
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.239
deep state, I call it the
dump. I call the the level of

599
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:39.840
security, the the let's say that
the echelon of the national security operatus status

600
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.800
that that that has the technology that's
been working with that technology. I refer

601
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.639
to it not as the deep deep
state, but as the dumb state,

602
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.440
because it's deeper than the dumb state. And of course when I say dumb,

603
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:57.440
I'm referring to the deep underground military
basis because that's where these things are

604
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.400
being developed and the members of Congress, even the President does not have clearance

605
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.199
to go into these bases, and
that's where this technology is being developed.

606
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.239
The S four facility, for example, where Losizar work, had multiple underground

607
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.599
levels. And there's no question in
my mind that this element of the military

608
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:23.840
industrial complex, together with certain aerospace
companies, military defense contractors, aerospace companies

609
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:34.760
have been have been recovering and reverse
engineering, reverse engineering non human aerospace vehicles

610
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:40.199
let's call them alien craft, and
recovering the bodies and probably interfacing with the

611
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:45.920
entities that were alive in some cases
from these crash retrievals. I have absolutely

612
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.960
no problem believing that. I think
that that is a factual statement, and

613
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.880
I think as the as so,
in other words, I'm affirming Grush's testimony.

614
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.400
And as we move forward, I
think it's going to become more and

615
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.840
more imparent that that apparent, that
that is exactly what has been going on

616
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.199
and what is going on. And
here's the problem. I think that the

617
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.079
people who are in possession of this
technology, who have this let's call it

618
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:15.199
secret science and technology, are not
very good people. I think some of

619
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.960
the most nefarious human beings on the
face of the planet are the ones who

620
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.639
are in possession of this technology.
Yep. And So before we go into

621
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.119
that, because that's actually leaning to
my next one, I just also want

622
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:30.119
to thank you for your humanitarian efforts
for helping out these small towns and villages.

623
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:31.880
Right. I know that you brought
equipment to them, medical supplies,

624
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.519
etc. Like if nothing else,
Like, you're actually out there and you're

625
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.760
doing humanitarian work. So just thank
you very much, sir, for doing

626
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:43.360
that, And then I also want
to say that I'm also in full agreement

627
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:49.039
with everything you just said regarding these
third party contractors. Regarding David Grush's testimony,

628
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.559
I think that people that speak to
Congress and their penalty of perjury should

629
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.639
be given us a highest level of
attention. I think that the people that

630
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.519
are trying to debunk him and say
that he's making stuff up are really just

631
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.360
doing vanity of disservice. So the
question I would ask you along those lines

632
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:07.760
is what does disclosure actually mean to
you? You know, if you had

633
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.639
to define what disclosure means to you, what would you say it is?

634
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:20.000
Disclosure is what we're seeing happen right
now. It's not. I mean,

635
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.840
it can mean anything. Really,
It's in simple terms, disclosure is the

636
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:30.400
revelation from an official source, so
NASA or the Pentagon or the Pope,

637
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:38.119
revelation from an official source that we
have evidence of the existence of extraterrestrials or

638
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:43.239
non human entities. I mean that
ultimately is disclosure. But that can happen

639
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.559
in many different ways. That's the
most straightforward way, which we'll probably not

640
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.000
have happened for a long time,
if ever. But there are other manifestations

641
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:58.159
of that process that can happen and
are indeed happening. For example, I

642
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:02.400
think that since two thousand and seven, Team the Pentagon has been desperately trying

643
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:09.800
to control the narrative, the so
called UAP narrative, because they cannot.

644
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.599
They have no power, the Pentagon, the deep State, they have no

645
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.320
power to control the phenomenon. They
cannot control the phenomenon. All they can

646
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.840
control is our perception of it.
So they're desperately trying to control the narrative,

647
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:29.039
and they're they're losing control to some
extent because there's too many encounters now,

648
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.800
there's too many encounters by our airmen, our navy guys, you know,

649
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.400
the Nimas incident, the go Fast
incident, the gimbal incident. There's

650
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.320
dozens and dozens and dozens of these. Everybody's got cell phones. People talk.

651
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:46.039
It used to be back in the
nineties, eighties and nineties that if

652
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.800
you were a threat and you were
coming out with information, they would just

653
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.719
kill you. They would just kill
you. That's not the case anymore.

654
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:58.480
Now, they just discredit you.
It's easier to discredit you than to kill

655
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:04.840
you at this point, and so
that's there's been a switch in, an

656
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.000
adjustment to that modus operandi by the
deep state, by the dumb state,

657
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:12.280
and that they're no longer just killing
people who are getting too close to the

658
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:16.519
truth. They just discredit them.
It's so easy to discredit people because of

659
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.840
social media and the Internet and everything. It's much or they blackmail you,

660
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:27.960
or they threaten you, like they
did to David Grush. So they can

661
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.400
only control the narrative. They cannot
control the phenomenon. And so what we're

662
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.920
seeing now is a managed leak.
We're seeing a managed leak of information.

663
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.079
They don't want this information to come
out, but it's coming out, so

664
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.480
they're trying to control it. They're
trying to control the pace of how it's

665
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.920
leaked. A good example of that
is, you know, the Pentagon was

666
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.000
dragging its heels when these congressmen were
trying to get David Grush in a skiff

667
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:54.079
in that secure environment so they can
brief him directly. There were so many

668
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:59.159
many questions that he was asked during
the hearing that he had to say,

669
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.239
well, I can't tell you that
in this public setting, but I'm glad

670
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.320
to share that information with you in
a skiff and we're talking about questions pertaining

671
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.360
to alien bodies, right, not
just prosaic things. We're talking about the

672
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:15.000
most important questions. He's willing to
tell them, but he doesn't want to

673
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.559
go to jail, so he'll tell
them in this secure environment. And that

674
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:25.079
had to be approved by various levels
of authorities in government, including at the

675
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:30.880
Pentagon. And so what did the
Pentagon do? They knew that Grusha's security

676
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.639
clearance was expiring, so all they
did was drag their feet until his clearance

677
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.239
expired. And then the whole thing
of a skiff is sort of irrelevant,

678
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:46.199
right, because he doesn't have a
securities anymore. So they're managing this leak.

679
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.400
They're managing the narrative the best they
can. They're scrambling to do it.

680
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:58.880
They're probably injecting a lot of misinformation
and disinformation to confuse, to throw

681
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:04.320
out red herrings will get off of
they they they want us not to be

682
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.920
focused on UH. And whenever I
talk to anyone involved in government on the

683
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.440
committees and stuff, this is what
I tell them. They they want to

684
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:16.960
keep you unfocused. They don't want
you to focus on the two things that

685
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.559
grush, The two claims that grush
made that everybody should be laser focused on,

686
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:29.480
and that is crash retrievals of non
human craft right of quote unquote spacecraft,

687
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:34.800
and and the non human biologics that
are associated with those crash retrievals.

688
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:39.599
That right there is what the deep
State, the dumb state, does not

689
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.920
want us to know about, or
think about, or see anything related to

690
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:52.159
they they any you know, Grush
gave the coordinates for the some of these

691
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.800
bases where he believes that they're that
these secret special access programs are being developed

692
00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.400
to have been underway. That was
months ago that we heard that he had

693
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.239
the coordinates, that he had given
those coordinates to the Inspector General. Do

694
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.119
you think there's any craft in any
of those locations anymore? They scrubbed them

695
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.920
clean, they're gone, they moved
them to some other base. So it's

696
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:15.599
going to be a cat and mouse
game for Congress to try and get any

697
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:20.719
get access to any of these facilities, and when they do, everything's going

698
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:25.639
to be gone. So so this
is a long when did answer to your

699
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.840
question? We are witnessing some degree
of disclosure happening right now. The government,

700
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:37.599
the Pentagon confirmed that the go Fast, the Gimbal, the the tic

701
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.559
tac and handful of other videos were
authentic. Okay, that is a tacit

702
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:47.360
admission that the UFO phenomenon is real. That's a tacit admission. The controversy

703
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:53.480
is over the UFO phenomenon is real, and it is at least some of

704
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:58.119
it does not have a human origin. This, I think has all been

705
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:04.400
tacitly admitted by Dependagon at this point. No, I agree with you one

706
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.320
hundred percent, sir, and I
especially agree about your point about disinformation and

707
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.880
how easy it is in today's society
to push disinformation. People have even been

708
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.039
pushing about me and I just came
onto this scene a few months ago regarding

709
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:21.320
all of this, and you know, people listen, and this idea that

710
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.440
people just adopt other people's beliefs because
of peer pressure and the age of social

711
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:29.960
media or information gets around. It's
been incredible to behold, just from a

712
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.440
firsthand account. You know, one
thing that I would challenge your view on,

713
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.639
although I still agree with you,
is that you know you've got this

714
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:43.880
non human intelligence alien bodies that are
being disclosed by Grush as well as crash

715
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.440
retrievals. But if we were to
take it back to you know the investigation

716
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:52.400
did in Peru. Doesn't that lend
itself more to the like the technology being

717
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.679
kind of what the thing is,
it's really being disclosed because in my mind,

718
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.840
when I think of the military industrial
complex, I think that what they

719
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.719
can care about isn't okay, well
aliens are here whatever. Sure, that's

720
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:07.920
going to blow people's minds. You
know, the technology will have socioeconomic impacts,

721
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.239
but what about the national security impacts? Right? Like? That's the

722
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:15.360
part where I wonder about what is
your thoughts on this idea that this technology

723
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.360
could lead to if you were to
adapt it, Doomsday weapons, weapons of

724
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.760
mass destruction that make nukes look like
nothing go ahead. There's no question about

725
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:28.760
it, and there are legitimate concerns
by the national security state. The last

726
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:32.000
thing we want is and make no
mistake about it, China has their own

727
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.400
programs, Russia has their own programs, But the last thing we want is

728
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.159
for them to get ahead of us
with any of this technology, because I

729
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:45.639
don't think China would hesitate to use
it, and I don't think we would

730
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:50.800
either under certain circumstances or Russia.
And I believe from what I've heard,

731
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:52.639
I have no way to confirm this, but it is my it's my personal

732
00:56:52.719 --> 00:57:00.000
opinion. And again I think this
is an informed speculation that our programs are

733
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:04.199
are quite a bit advanced compared to
the other programs from other nations. They

734
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.119
have stuff, and maybe in certain
aspects they've maybe made some headway that we

735
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.880
haven't been able to, but we're
a little bit more advanced. We've been

736
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.360
doing it longer, and they just
weren't. China wasn't in a position to

737
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:22.360
reverse engineer anything in the forties.
Neither was Russia was until the collapse of

738
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.639
the Soviet Union, and then there
was no money for those programs anymore.

739
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:31.599
So whatever advancements they made, we
came to a halt until they were able

740
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:35.480
to rebuild their country. So that
gave us an advantage, and we certainly

741
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.039
got We rant probably the United Kingdom, with whom we've shared maybe some of

742
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:45.559
this technology, if we probably don't
share much of it with anyone, and

743
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.039
I'm not sure that we should.
But so there are some legitimate national security

744
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:55.280
concerns here. I'm sure even if
we were to have disclosure, there probably

745
00:57:55.320 --> 00:58:00.039
are certain things that shouldn't be disclosed. Would be, you know, some

746
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:05.639
information that the that the US military
should hold close to its best. But

747
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:15.119
the but the disclosure of the I'm
going to call it the alien presence is

748
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:24.440
does not in and of itself calls
These are already already aware of this.

749
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:29.599
This is nothing new to them.
So the fact that that is being hidden,

750
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:35.480
that's against us. That they're hiding
that from us the citizens. They're

751
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.880
not hiding that from China, They're
not hiding that from Russia. They're hiding

752
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:45.159
that from us. So why why
are they doing that? There are there

753
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.800
there There are only in my mind, in my estimation, there are only

754
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:55.079
uh nefarious reasons why they would hide
that information from the general public. And

755
00:58:55.079 --> 00:59:01.280
and those reasons, I'm sure have
to do with the kinds of technologies that

756
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:06.159
would become available to all of us, and that would that would that we

757
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.159
would demand would become available to all
of us if we were to find out

758
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:13.920
that, yes, there's an extraterrestrial
presence and yes, or let's say a

759
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:19.000
non human presence at the very least, and yes, there is exotic technology

760
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:25.360
that would totally transform revolutionize our society
if it were made available to the public.

761
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.400
And there are vested interests that don't
want that to happen. None of

762
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:36.840
these big corporations that make all of
their millions and billions of dollars using conventional

763
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:43.480
technology want unconventional technology in the market. They would have to completely retool.

764
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:47.119
It would destroy their business model,
It would destroy their business altogether. If

765
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:52.320
there was free energy, for example, if if we found out, which

766
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:59.480
I think is absolutely the case,
that combustion technology, combustion engines are our

767
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:07.639
are are basically extremely primitive at this
point compared to compared to what we could

768
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:13.519
be using. The airline industries would
become irrelevant overnight unless they could upgrade and

769
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.719
integrate the technology. I mean,
you know, why are we all flying

770
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:23.400
around in these tubes still with jet
with with jet propulsion? Obviously somebody asked

771
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:28.840
possession of of some kind of anti
gravitational technology. I don't think there's any

772
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:34.239
question about it. So why are
we all jamming ourselves into tubes with jet

773
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:38.639
with with with uh, you know, jet propulsion. These industries would have

774
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:45.880
to be transformed, and so there's
going to be both national security concerns from

775
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:50.519
the government sector, but then there's
going to be private concerns, private interests

776
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:57.880
that are are going to push back
against the revelation of an extraterrestrial presence and

777
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:04.559
and and advanced to now unconventional technology. There are a lot of interests involved

778
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:09.239
here, but everyone should understand that
that the that the the revelation of an

779
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:15.400
extraterrestrial presence, a non human presence, an alien which I think is the

780
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:21.280
most accurate term, an alien presence, is no revelation to China or Russia,

781
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.199
to their governments. That's no revelation
to them. That's that's not telling

782
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:29.679
them something they don't already know.
So that information is specifically being kept from

783
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:35.119
us the citizenry. Yeah. So
yeah, I want to just gouite agree

784
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.559
with what you said there actually is
pretty much perfectly in sync with what doctor

785
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:42.440
Stephen Greer told me in a Twitter
space several weeks ago, as well as

786
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.960
the idea that some of the technology
should be held back for national security purposes,

787
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:50.000
that you know, there's no reason
why we can't reveal some of this

788
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:53.320
information. That I also agree with
you that China and Russia are probably just

789
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.400
behind the United States. I think
that we have probably military supremacy of the

790
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.360
world and we just don't want to
let people know about that. And general

791
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.400
and I think that my personal opinion
is that some of the reason why it

792
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:07.800
doesn't get disclosed is that I just
think that from the popularity perspective, I

793
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:09.719
don't think a lot of people are
ready for it, right. I think

794
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:13.239
that there's a certain percentage that are. I think that you and I are

795
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.119
probably people watching this, but a
significant number of people out there that wouldn't

796
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.440
believe it to be real. Even
if alien win talked to Joe Biden personally

797
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.039
on the front lawn of the White
House. But on a different note or

798
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:27.199
a slightly similar note, I would
ask you, now, knowing about this

799
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.519
type of technology, presuming that it's
real, and I certainly think it is,

800
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:31.800
and I can tell that you think
it is as well, does this

801
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:38.880
make you more or less spiritual in
general? I don't think it bears upon

802
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:43.199
my spirituality. Let me say one
thing. Let me back up and say

803
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:45.039
one thing. Yeah, sure,
there's another reason why. There's another reason

804
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:51.079
why this is being kept from the
public. Two words, alien abduction.

805
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.400
That's a huge reason why it's being
kept from the pub being kept from the

806
01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.960
public. That's a there's skeletons in
that cloud. They don't want you to

807
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:07.679
open a closet. So in regard
to this affecting my let's my spirituality or

808
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:15.079
I'm I'm a I'm a Christian,
and none of this, none of this

809
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:22.719
has any kind It does no damage, let's say, to my Christian worldview

810
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:27.679
whatsoever the revelation of like gray aliens. I'm absolutely convinced gray aliens exist.

811
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.679
If we're to find out that human
beings have been interfacing with extraterrestrial entities since

812
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:40.440
our genesis, that that that does
not conflict whatsoever with my understanding of the

813
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:45.440
scriptures. Rather, it confirms what
I already know from the scriptures, that

814
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:50.519
human beings have been interfacing with non
human entities since our genesis. And furthermore,

815
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:55.679
these are extraterrestrial entities unquestionably that pre
exists us. So that is well

816
01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.159
within the biblical paradigm. And so
none of this, as I said,

817
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:06.840
does does damage to my perspective as
a Christian. Yeah, And you know

818
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:12.440
that's interesting to me because the more
I've learned about this technology, the more

819
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.840
spiritual I've actually become because of I
guess you were already there at that point.

820
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.079
But there's this idea out there,
these narratives that oh, we don't

821
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:24.480
disclose this because religious people will like
not be able to reconcile. I think

822
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:28.280
that's just completely false. I think
that from the religious aspect, it completely

823
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:31.280
aligns with this idea of a construct
creator, et cetera. Even aliens,

824
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.480
I don't think, really harm that
view at all. I think it's the

825
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:38.760
people that don't have any religious beliefs
that are the ones that are going to

826
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.239
be the hardest to believe this information
because they're sitting there, believe in everything

827
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.760
they see on TV, and you
know, all the whatever the authority tells

828
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:46.480
them, and then they find out, oh, nope, that's all been

829
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.280
a lie, your whole lives like, those are the people who I feel

830
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:54.119
are threatened. But that's just my
opinion, you know, on the same

831
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.000
kind of line, I guess we're
talking about technology or do you want to

832
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:02.280
say something related to that. I
just I agree with that assessment. Maybe

833
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:08.480
in the forties and fifties there would
have been a disruption in regard to the

834
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:16.880
religious community. But the America,
for example, the fast fastest growing religion

835
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:24.559
is no religion, secularism, atheism, humanism, So that narrative is no

836
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:28.920
longer relevant. It's just no longer
relevant. And I think there are plenty

837
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:35.960
of Christians like myself who understand that
the revelation of extraterrestrial beings, as I

838
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:41.840
keep saying, what would not conflict
with our worldview whatsoever. So it's it's

839
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.880
really become irrelevant. There's other reasons
why that revelation is not happening. Awesome,

840
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.400
So and then I've only got a
couple more questions for you in general,

841
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:54.519
and I appreciate your time. So, what do you think the trajectory

842
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:58.679
of human evolution is here? Given
that this advanced technology may be real?

843
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:02.000
Do you think that we this is
a risk of us destroying ourselves? Do

844
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:06.159
you think that we could become obsolete
and machines take over? What's your view

845
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:10.760
in general of what does this all
lead to, you know, fifty years

846
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.320
from now, one hundred years from
now, five years, and from now

847
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:18.360
whatever in regard to the development of
this technology. Yeah, and just human

848
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:24.480
evolution in general and from either a
spiritual, technological, or whatever aspect you

849
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.840
want to look at it. Front. Well, I predict that we are

850
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:31.360
heading towards a post human future.
I write about this in my book Birthright,

851
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:36.679
Becoming post Human Apocalypse and the usurpation
of Adam's dominion Planet Earth. I

852
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:41.800
think we're heading for a post human
apocalypse. The future is definitely post human,

853
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:50.920
and that is a very dangerous prospect
obviously for the human species. All

854
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:54.920
of these technologies that we hold,
for example, the you know, the

855
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.360
cell phones, the technology that we
hold in our hands, is going to

856
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:02.840
ultimately go inside of our bodies.
And and we we haven't even really begun

857
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:09.559
the genetic revolution yet. We are
just beginning to go down that path genetic

858
01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:16.400
engineering, human genetic engineering, but
also cybernetics, uh, human technology,

859
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:29.320
brain brain, brain technology, interfaces
like like neuralink that Elon Musk is developing,

860
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:32.039
you know, in in some time
in the near future, we will

861
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:38.639
be engaging with the Internet through our
brains. Human beings are going to gradually

862
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:45.119
become more more cybernetic. And I
think that ultimately we're going to face a

863
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:50.000
post human future with with dire consequences. And and by the way, I

864
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:56.159
believe that all of this is predicted
in the Bible, and so it's it

865
01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:59.199
comes as no surprise to me.
And that's why I can I can see

866
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:04.280
the trajectory going this direction. And
I think that you know, the transhumanism

867
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:14.199
and humanism are are at some point
going to converge with the revelation the reality

868
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:17.720
of the alien presence. In fact, I predict three things are even now

869
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:25.319
converging and are going to result in
a radically different world than the one we're

870
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:30.800
living in now. I predict that
the what I call them I book,

871
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:32.840
the alien threat or the alien presence. That's if you can imagine these three

872
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:38.159
things, is three concentric circles that
are coming together, that are merging together.

873
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:41.840
So one of these is is the
alien threat, the alien presence,

874
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:47.119
revelation of that, the ongoing disclosure
of that. Then you have transhumanism and

875
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:53.600
and this this this post human future, all the technologies involved in that,

876
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:58.920
the genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, nanotechnology, all of the technologies that

877
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:02.239
are going to give us a tool
to radically, radically redesign our biology.

878
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:09.279
Okay, And then that third circle
would be what I perceive as a new

879
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:14.279
religion that's going to surface in the
Earth that's even now being formulated. I

880
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:19.000
call it apotheo theism, and it's
I don't believe the future is atheist.

881
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:26.720
I believe that in that Apathiotheism will
be the religion of the future. The

882
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.239
concept of a pathiotheism. It's a
word that I coin myself, and it

883
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:39.159
is an amalgamation of two terms apotheo
theism rather apotheosis and theism. Theism obviously

884
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.479
is the belief in gods, and
apotheosis is the deification of man, so

885
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:45.960
man becoming a god. And when
you blend those two concepts together, what

886
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:51.760
you have as a religion which acknowledges
the existence of the gods i e.

887
01:09:53.840 --> 01:10:00.359
Superior extraterrestrial entities or non human entities, and the notion that mankind can become

888
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.680
like a God ourselves through the agency
of technology. You blend those two things

889
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:08.319
together, and you have a new
religion, apotheo theism, and I believe

890
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:12.880
that is a religion of the future. So these are the three concentric circles

891
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.039
that I see merging. And when
these things come together. As they come

892
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:21.880
together, we are going to be
seeing a radical alteration of human society,

893
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:28.399
radical radical alteration of human biology and
human society. Even the way that we

894
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:33.239
interact with technology will be radically different
in the future. And uture is posthuman.

895
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:38.800
Yeah, now that's a beautiful thought
in general. I mean, I

896
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:41.319
hope so at least in terms of
if we survive it, and I think

897
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.880
that we're not talking about necessarily extinction
of humanity, but the evolution of humanity,

898
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.760
you know, and what then this
advanced technology will lead to. You

899
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:53.600
know, I've them in the opinion
that we are closer to cavemen than we

900
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.960
are closer to being at the pinnacle
of technological advancement. And I think when

901
01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:00.359
you look at through that lens,
than what you just said makes total sense.

902
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.880
Now, my last question related to
that would be, oh, go

903
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:09.439
ahead. I was gonna say,
well, if you are a secular humanist,

904
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:15.880
the prospect of becoming posthuman may be
exciting, but if you care about

905
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:26.600
preserving humanity at all genetically speaking,
you might even say consciously speaking, psychically

906
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:30.199
speaking, if you care about preserving
humanity at all, then it is very

907
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:34.159
frightening prospect. The idea of us
losing our humanity, those trademarks that make

908
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:42.560
us Homo sapiens. Losing those trademarks, I think certainly, biblically speaking,

909
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:48.720
there are some there are some exceedingly
grave consequences associated with that. So if

910
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:54.880
you're not concerned with preserving humanity,
there's no reason why we shouldn't become posthuman.

911
01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:59.079
It would seem natural progression of evolution
by natural selection, right, but

912
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.840
in this case, so it would
be directed evolution if you are concerned with

913
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:08.439
preserving humanity, if there is any
reason whatsoever to preserve human humanity. And

914
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.479
really there's two questions here, what
does it mean to be a human being?

915
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:15.880
And is our humanity worth preserving?
Depending how you answer those questions,

916
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:21.039
I think will determine your outlook.
And in regard to post humanism, Yeah,

917
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:26.000
that kind of leads my follow up, which is from the moral standpoint,

918
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:29.319
like, where do you think humanity
has to get to to ensure our

919
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:35.760
continued existence regarding this posthuman apocalypse or
world that you know we combine ourselves with

920
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:39.479
the technology because my mind, I
don't think we're there yet. From a

921
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:43.560
moral standpoint, what what are your
views on that? Well, it depends

922
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:47.239
on what your worldview is, what
your paradigm is, again I'll refer to

923
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:53.000
my own. If you're coming from
a biblical paradigm, then then the consequence

924
01:12:53.439 --> 01:13:00.239
of evolving out of Adam, let's
say, are dire. Our graves believe

925
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:05.880
there's some very dynamic things that will
happen in the earth if we forfeit.

926
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:09.279
And that's why my book is called
birthright. By the way, if we

927
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:15.039
forfeit our birthright, a human birthright. But even in just even just considering

928
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:21.039
though the integration of our biology with
technology, you're you're going to fundamentally change

929
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:26.720
what it means to be a human
beings. So you're going into a landscape

930
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:30.239
that is completely uncertain. And by
the way, add into this, add

931
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:36.119
into this equation, and this is
really part of that circle that encompasses transhumanism

932
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:45.000
and posthumanism is robotics and artificial intelligence. That's a whole other thing that's developing.

933
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:53.239
And so I see a future in
which we can't hardly control ourselves now

934
01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:58.439
with the level of technology that we
have. If we are given more power

935
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:03.119
to destroy the earth, to droll
each other, to oppress too, if

936
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:06.720
we give government more our governments,
any government, pick any government you want

937
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:11.880
on planet Earth. If you give
them more power, more technological power,

938
01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:15.319
more control, They're just going to
become more tyrannical. You're just going to

939
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:19.520
lose more of your freedom. They're
going to use these tools against us for

940
01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:27.920
sure, to control us. And
that's so people who love freedom, uh

941
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.880
and are independent, I think the
advancement of technology. I'm not a lutite.

942
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:36.479
There's there's the levels at which there's
degrees of technological advancement that are that

943
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:43.359
are absolutely necessary medical advancement, for
example. Uh, there's there's degrees of

944
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:49.399
offense technology and so forth that I'm
obviously very much in favor of. But

945
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:53.720
there's a we're going to cross a
line at some point in the future when

946
01:14:53.760 --> 01:15:00.000
you begin to modify human biology,
human psychology, when you begin to use

947
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:04.319
these technologies to go beyond what's beneficial
to society, for example, that that

948
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:10.079
point we're going to reach that point
with artificial intelligence. It's there's there's some

949
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:17.359
there, there's there is some future
in which artificial intelligence does become dangerous and

950
01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:21.840
and a threat to the human species. And and when that where that threshold

951
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:25.800
is, I don't know, but
certainly Elon Musk is concerned about that.

952
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:30.000
That's why he's trying to develop neuralink
so that we can we can keep pace

953
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:36.840
with artificial intelligence, which he rightly
understands as this exponential Uh. Once we

954
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:42.119
once we let this thing loose,
artificial intelligence is going to be teaching itself,

955
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:45.640
upgrading itself, and it's gonna and
it's going to get out of control.

956
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:50.319
It's almost inevitable, you know.
And there's something called the inevitabile inevitability

957
01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:57.640
thesis or or it's also called the
technological impairment imperative. And what that means

958
01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:04.840
is what it proposes is that once
a useful technology is introduced into society,

959
01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:14.399
what follows is the inevitable development of
that technology. That technology will be developed

960
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:18.920
to its maximum utility. It's for
sure, and nothing will stop it.

961
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:24.720
That includes artificial intelligence, that includes
human genetic engineering, that includes the brain

962
01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:30.439
interfacing technologies, that includes weapon building
weapons, It applies to everything. So

963
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:33.439
you know, we've introduced all of
these new technologies and it's all it's an

964
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:39.279
infancy and all of this is going
to get out of all really fast,

965
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:43.319
I think. And so is it
just that we have a bleique future.

966
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.079
No, because again I'm going to
revert back to my own perspective, which

967
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:49.479
is a biblical perspective. The end
of the book is actually very very,

968
01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:57.840
very positive, depending on what your
allegiance is. And so I don't have

969
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.680
just this apocalyptic, bleak view of
the future. But at the same time,

970
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:03.760
I understand where all of this is
hitded and it's going to get pretty

971
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:08.840
chaotic. I think the AI thing
is what scares me a lot keeps me

972
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:11.920
up. There seems like there's a
lot of ways where things can may not

973
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:15.000
go well for us from the humanity
perspective, so kind of I guess one

974
01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:21.359
last bonus question here is what is
your thoughts on our humanity in general?

975
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:24.760
I mean, what I'm getting at, I guess is that there are a

976
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:28.680
few theories out there, one of
like the prison planet theory, the idea

977
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:30.680
that we've been reset in the past. Do you have any thoughts on that

978
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.479
kind of related to all of this
and what you've kind of learned throughout your

979
01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:42.680
time on this Earth and being investigating
phenomenon that you mean genetically. I think

980
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:45.720
that like from like I'm thinking of
stuff like Graham Hancock talking about like ancient

981
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:49.199
apocalypse. There's being like these flood
myths that are out there in terms of

982
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:55.279
like civilization having been reset. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely concur with that.

983
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.359
I think there were it is,
and I'm going to use them,

984
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:00.600
although it's there's some confusion here.
I do believe there was there was an

985
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:08.159
advanced civilization inhabiting the Earth. How
advanced I don't know, perhaps even using

986
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:11.920
a different track of technology that we
have today and advanced civilization and habiting the

987
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:15.159
Earth that was obliterated in a global
cataclysm. I absolutely affirm that. I

988
01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:20.239
think there's a lot a lot of
evidence for that, and I myself have

989
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:27.199
been exploring that question for more than
a decade, So I would concur with

990
01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:33.399
Graham that there was an advanced civilization
on planet Earth at one time universal,

991
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:42.079
I think to some extent, and
maybe there were some survivors interesting so well,

992
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.279
I think that this is probably a
good time to wind it up.

993
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:47.159
Thank you very much, Timothy Aburino
for being on hard Truths. Is there

994
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.359
anything that you want to plug here
for the folks that have been watching,

995
01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:53.479
And I just want to thank you
as well very much for your time.

996
01:18:55.880 --> 01:19:00.720
You can get my book Birthright,
The Coming post Human Lips and the Usurpation

997
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:04.000
of Adam's Dominion. I'm planet Earth
if you if you're interested in my my

998
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:09.720
perspective on some of the things we
talked about. My YouTube channel Timothy Alborno,

999
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:14.680
and I'm on I'm on x and
Instagram. My handle is always the

1000
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:19.159
same Timothy Alberno, no spaces,
no dots, and thanks a lot for

1001
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:23.800
having me on. It's It's it's
it's been my pleasure, Eshton. Yeah,

1002
01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:26.560
this was an awesome conversation. Let's
be in touch for sure, just

1003
01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:29.359
because I think we see eye to
eye at a lot of topics out there,

1004
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.319
and I'd just like to be in
touch with you and figure out what's

1005
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.880
next in general. So thank you
very much, mister Timothy Aberno for being

1006
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:41.359
on hard truths. Thank you,
sir, Okay, I'm going to okay.

1007
01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:44.399
Well, thank you guys very much
as well for everyone who is on

1008
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:47.399
here today and being on hard truths. This is the area where we go

1009
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:50.119
and we seek those hard trewths.
So I hope you enjoyed the podcast.