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Yes, indeed, off of a
weekend that has seen Jeron Boots and has

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successfully defend his IVF Welterweight championship,
not unexpectedly, a weekend that sees an

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elevated main event win for Raymond Murataia
by decision, but not without some intrigue,

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some drama in Las Vegas against Tevin
Farmer. We're ready to recap those

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fights here from Jake Paul, who
is in the ring this coming Saturday.

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Later this week in the Desne pay
per view with Bare Knuckle fighter Mike Perry.

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You'll hear from Jake Paul right here
on this pod. I am the

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somewhat competent host TJ. Reeves.
He is our insider. Fight Freaks Unite

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is his sub stack here on the
Fight Freaks Unit Recap podcast. Hello,

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Dan Raphael, good to be with
you, with a lot to go over,

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and we're gonna hear from Jake Paul
here in a little bit as well.

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Yes, good, let's get it
on, baby, Let's do it.

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And by the way, full disclosure
here, we're doing this late night,

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Saturday night because I am out of
town again on a cruise with Missus

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Reefs. So thank you to Dan
for accommodating me because it's been a busy

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Saturday night at the time we're taping
this, we're still releasing it on Sunday

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evening in the Monday, and let's
hop right in to our recaps. We're

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just gonna go chronologically. We will
get the boots in us in a few

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moments. But first up Friday night, you did make mention of Chocolate Tito

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Gonzalez being back in action off a
nineteen month layoff. I saw some of

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this fight. He does get the
TKO over Robert Barrera in his home of

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Nicaragua's home country. All right,
your thoughts on Chocola Tito being back,

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how much tread is left on the
tires as well? From what you saw,

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Dan, there's there's definitely tread left
on the tires. Now, is

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it enough tread to beat a boots
I mean that boots on. Is it

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enough tread to beat a bam Arrigez, which is one of the things that

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was being discussed with him in his
post fight interview. You know, I'm

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not so sure about that. I
don't like seeing a thirty seven year old

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that's had a lot of wear and
tear with a guy that's you know,

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going to the moon. I mean
that that's one thing. But can he

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win a band weight title? Can
he beat other top guys in the one

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hundred and fifteen pound way class?
Would maybe he want to have a third

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fight against a Rungisi or you know, another fight against Quadris, that type

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of fight. Yeah, I mean, he could definitely win those fights for

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sure. If he's going to do
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as I said, then it's going
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shipload of money. Now. The
thing there, of course, is that

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mister Honda that is the promoter of
Roman as well as the co promoter of

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BAM. That's he's never been a
promoter that's like to do those types of

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fights. So and and the fighters
are deferential to him. He's one of

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the most respected, if not the
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of boxing. They will listen to
him. He will do the right thing

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by his guys. So we'll see. But in terms of his performance,

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first of all, now he's two
to zero against the Barrera family because years

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ago he knocked out Ronald Barrera,
which is Robert's brother. The crowd was

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wild in Managua was welcoming back of
a hero, you know, like he

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had fought you know, many many
of his fights in Nicaragua early in his

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career. He hadn't fought there since
twenty fifteen. He had had even world

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title fights back in the days when
he was a strawweight champion, but it's

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been a long time because after he
got a little bit more profile, you

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know, he had some world title
fights in Japan with you know, on

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mister Honda shows with Teak and boxing, and then of course he made his

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way to the United States where he
had some significant fights and finally got to

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the big time with you know,
several fights on HBO and then later on

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his own. So this was the
return from a year and a half layoff

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or nineteen month layoff. After losing
that third fight against one Francisco, A

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shouted that was somewhat disputed and a
majority decision. I could have definitely gone

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his way, but look, it
was exciting. He got a tipped the

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hat to Robert because Robert Barer showed
all the heart in the world. He

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took an absolute fucking Shellaki rounds one
through six. You're like, oh,

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he's getting being up by the seventh
round, I'm like, they need to

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stop this fight. He got knocked
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once on a chin shot later and
then then get the ninth round.

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Finally, in round ten, you
know the referee who had basically just been

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a fan with a really good view
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I I mean it was almost two
Is it gonna be Barrera's corner as well?

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That just says they were terribly is
this Is this enough in the ninth

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round? Especially? But Chaco Latito
gets the win and we'll see how soon

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he's back. And you mentioned there's
options, but I'll just say this.

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You know, if you didn't see
it, you know, check it out.

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It's on ESPN. Plus. He's
he's such an all time great.

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I mean, he really could be
considered with anybody in the history of boxing

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in the smallest weight classes, let's
say, from strawweight to flyweight. You

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know, in those are the traditional
places, I guess olso you got to

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include now Junior vandam Waight. This
was his debut with bandam weight, who

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was one hundred and seventeen to one
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That's what he weighed but just a
phenomenal fighter. Just knows how to throw

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punches, has great technique, has
great punching power, has a you know,

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a good ability. You know,
he gets hit, but he's able

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to slip a lot of shots.
You know, he did get hit a

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little bit more than I sort of
expected against a you know, not a

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great fighter. But you know,
what a pleasure to have this man back

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in the I mean, I hope
he chooses the right time to get out,

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but I do think there's still a
definitely least one or two more significant

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fights left for him. Chaco Latito
fan favorite, great action fighter for a

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lot of years. We'll see what
happens for him in the field. Yeah.

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Wait, by the way, TJ, when the day comes to check

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his name, when I get my
Hall of Fame ballot, when he's on

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it in a few years, and
I know you will. Let's move on

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to Saturday, And as mentioned,
Jeron Boots in US was the big story

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in Philadelphia and his return great atmosphere
at the Wells Fargo Center where the seventy

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six Ers and the Flyers play basketball
and hockey in Philly, and in is

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delivered. He delivered a stoppage that
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In this one looked good. I
won't say look great. I want

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your thought. In a second,
I thought he got hit a lot.

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I know early on in the fight
with Sean Porter on the commentary on his

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own with Sergio Mora, they both
mentioned how much David Avenisin was scoring,

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especially with the right hand. All
right, there's my take. Boots gets

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the win. He admitted after the
fight, Dan, I was a bit

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rusty. Tell me what you saw
in the recap mode. Well, he

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was coming off the year layoff,
which is unfortunate for a fighter that's as

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talented as he is. But I
don't disagree with you. I mean,

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I thought he looked good. I
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I said, you're right. Before
we started taping the show, when I

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was watching the fight and I'm seeing
him do his work, and I'm seeing

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Avanescian land a few shots, and
when I was saying with Avanestian, into

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my mind came Shane Mosley. Of
course, when he had his final fight

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before he retired, was a loss
in twenty sixteen against Avanessian. But I

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remember the Shane Mosley that I covered
at in his absolute dead prime when he

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when he you know, went from
the lightweight division into the welterweight division to

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scored you know, a series of
big wins and defeated Oscar de la Hoya

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to win the welterweight title and was
pound for pound number one to most people,

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you know for a period of time. And I'm like, that's Shane

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Moseley in my opinion, is runs
boots centers out of the ring, like

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beats him up. So all respect
the boots. He's a heck of a

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fighter, but I think his his
the the the overwhelming like concept that he's

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this generational future hall of famer,
like all time great in waiting, you

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know, pound for pound number one
in waiting. I'm not saying that it

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can't happen, Okay, So don't
take me wrong and don't take me as

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a hater, because I think very
highly of Nis. He's a tremendous young

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talent. He's a personal guy,
pleasure to deal with in terms of,

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you know, doing interviews and things
like that. So I have zero bad

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to say about him, but I
think that the overwhelming complimentary things have not

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they're a little bit ahead of where
he is, Like it was he hasn't

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had the opportunity yet to fight other
fighters, and I suspect if he gets

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a chance, say to fight a
Mario Barrios in a unification or to fight

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uh A Stanionis in a unification,
that those are fights that he'll be heavily

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favored to win. Uh. And
when Eddie Hearn comes into the ring after

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the fight and starts talking about let
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that's that's a that's a tough one
on me to see. I know Crawford

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is obviously he's a few years older, but he fights at such a high

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level there's been no degradation in my
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prep Now, he hasn't fought a
lot in recent times. But uh,

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you know, I don't know if
I would would I would pick EN's to

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beat him. But it was a
good performance. He he he turned up

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the offense. I was also surprised
they called it the way they do when

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the when the fight was stoped,
but it was I mean, yeah,

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he took some shots, but they
weren't they were mostly we don't know this,

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but the left jaw was swelling some
so there might have been a situation

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there with a fracture, and he
had gotten knocked down quick knockdown with the

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counter left and the corner just like
right away, exactly your right hand or

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the right hand right on the back. Okay, all right, but at

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the corner right away is telling the
referee as soon as the bell rang for

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the fifth that's it. He's not
coming out for the sixth round. So

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uh, And he was game.
He took some shots, took a hard

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low blow in the first round,
took some other shots throughout the first three

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or four rounds. I'm a bigger
Boots proponent probably than you are, and

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I will be the first one to
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than that at the world class level. On getting hit. He got hit

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even in the fourth and the fifth
round. He was still getting hit and

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maybe it was ring rust and we'll
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that and see what it looks like
down the road. So one other thing

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about it, okay, Number one, you know, he get he get

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the He did get the job done, even if it wasn't spectacular in the

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way he wanted it to be.
I mean, but one thing, you

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got to give him credit for and
Natural Boxing, who did a good job

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promoting show. They put asses in
seats, So let me give you let

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me give you a great stat here. In the pre fight, the conversation

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was, are they gonna, you
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in several decades? And Eddie Hearn
spoke about that the record, and I

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don't know if it's not the record, but in terms of the most recent

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times. In nineteen seventy eight,
in a non title fight that took place

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at the Spectrum where Rocky Balboa may
have fought a couple of times, he

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had a notch. It's just exact
rum, right, he had a So

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I don't know if I don't know
what the attendance was for a Balboa and

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Creed, But the point here is
in a real fight in nineteen seventy eight

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at the Spectrum, a big,
big fight was not even for a title,

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but it was still a big,
big rivalry fight. Marvin Hagler,

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who fought a lot of his earlier
before he was a top champion. He

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ran through a ton of guys in
Philadelphia, even though he wasn't from there

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anyway. He fought Benny Briscoe and
the fights through fourteen, nine hundred and

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thirty people to the spectrum. The
fight on Saturday Night between Boots This and

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David Avanescian was the biggest crowd in
Philadelphia right boxing match since then, which

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is forty six years fourteen nineteen.
So the people turned out for Nis against

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an opponent I guarantee you ninety nine
percent of the people in that building never

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heard of so, you know,
and the one it was electric, it

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was electric in there. I would
have liked to see how Boots would have

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how the how the fight would have
unfolded. And you know, I'm not

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making excuses, I'm just this is
I think this is a legitimate point.

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If Evanessin had the full training camp
from day one, he only had about

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a month to get ready for the
fight because remember Crowley had dropped out because

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Cody Crowley had the eye injury and
was not medically cleared. So Evan Assen,

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I mean, a month is a
good amount of time, but it's

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not the optimum when you're fighting that
type of opponent. So it just begged

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the question like, oh, what
if he had a full camp, you

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know, would he have been a
little better, maybe lasted a bit longer,

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maybe been able to find a bigger
punch, you know, or you

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know, thread of the needle to
find a cleaner shot. We'll never know.

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But you know what, Boots gets
to win. He defends the title

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for the first time. They're gonna, I'm sure go back to Philadelphia and

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if Deacon drew fourteen thousand plus and
have him win like that, I'm pretty

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sure they can draw a crowd either
the same or bigger next time around for

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whoever they fight, you know,
even hopefully will be a better opponent.

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But uh, you know, I'll
give Bouts. I'll give him a B

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plus how about that? And he
gets the stoppage. He was not hurt

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in the fight and didn't incrued on
the over man. Well, hey,

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one of us cashed on that after
the conclusion that I was concerned that we

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were going to go into the sixth
round there and it was going to be

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close after the bet us pignostication that
we were doing. And by the way,

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kudos he got it done were previously
for Eddie Hearn and Mattroom Subrio.

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Mattias didn't get it done last month
and his title defense in Puerto Rico and

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before that, Regis Progray last year
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and his own for Eddie Hearn didn't
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decision, but didn't look good at
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In is delivered. It wasn't a
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by the way. Yeah, he
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in the pre fight it didn't matter
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It was what I was sort of
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of there quickly than Terrence Crawford did, maybe not as spectacularly because when Crawford

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knocked out Evan sn in the sixth
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But he got him out in round
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started. He got him out of
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before, you know, after round
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about when I saw the fight stop, I thought it was the corner stopping

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it. When when David Diamante,
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know, and I'm sure he got
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was that it was stopped on advice
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quite sure that maybe maybe and uh
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heard the chief second whoever that was, say to the referee he's done.

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So they were in agreement. They
were in agreement on that. So there

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you go, and it gets that
win. That's the Matter Room show again,

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Jake Paul conversation with Dan Rayfield coming
up in a few moments. But

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wait, there's more on the Fight
Freak Night recap podcast. And we put

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Friday, not knowing the situation with Jannebec

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and Lim Connooley, the two belt
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those titles in the Top Rank Boxing
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and I did the live bet Us
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the news did break that Alim Connuley
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and the fight was off, with
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even gonna fight, gonna attempt to
fight. All right, So we'll get

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into the Raymond Morotaile Maine event.
But do we know anything else because you

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and I are now talking about thirty
six hours later about jannebec uh being treated,

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et cetera. If you do know
anything, but it was shocking to

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everybody what we found out. He
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you know, after being there for
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I guess Thursday night, and at
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spoke about the aftermath during the ESPN
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talked about how that they had gone
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you know, the way they normally
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to a certain level, he just
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way it always worked, and so
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and he did pass out. Uh. That's their story. They had an

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interview also with Mikailovitch because he had
he was still in town. He did,

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you know, he was up on
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with the you know, at the
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and you know, he was very
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so because as they made the point, this man traveled seven thousand miles from

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New Zealand, was on weight uh
and ready to fight and goes home without

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a chance to fight for the unified
world title, doesn't get his purse now.

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Top rank said to me that he'll
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They're not gonna give him his whole
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uh, you know, a portion
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Good for you know, whether that
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don't know what his exact first was. You know, maybe they give him

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like fifty grand for the trouble,
I mean something along eyes lines. Again,

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that's my conjecture. But he'll get
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TJ. This is important. He's
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IBF and the WBO will be inquiring
and he'll have a couple of weeks,

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I guess to decide. He's back
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based out of Janebec. He'll have
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I gonna you know, is there
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still make one sixty? And they'll
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the mandatory for the IBF, or
will he ultimately vacate the belts and move

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up to one under sixty eight.
Kalvich is what the pain out. I

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appreciate his perspective, but this won't
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asked him, well, what do
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like, they should trip him and
give me the belts. Now, that

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won't happen. But if he does
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fight at the very least for the
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in the WBO. We'll have to
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one thing. If if janebec goes
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a title fight anytime soon because he's
not even on the radar of a Canelo

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Alvarez or even the guys that have
the secondary titles. And I don't know

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what top rank would do with him
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me, the best case scenario for
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eight without you know, being hospitalized
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case he can make this, you
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what else is out there. Like
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talked about possibly making it a Damas
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So we'll have to wait and see, all right, So that was

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to have been the main event.
Excellent explanation on that. So then the

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Raymond Muratia Tevin Farmer fight lightweight bout
was elevated two main event status. Intriguing

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because Murratia on the rise. Farmer
had been a former champ. Farmer had

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been off for three years at one
point twenty twenty to twenty twenty three,

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had come back and had some fights, all right, and then this,

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I mean, Muratia did not look
good saay night as we're doing this off

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the cuff. We're doing this about
forty minutes, forty five minutes after that

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fight has ended. He didn't look
good in the first half of the fight,

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slow, tired, whatever. He
looked a lot larger than Farmer.

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My lord, he's so much bigger. He looked ten or fifteen pounds bigger,

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at least in that ring. Okay, Then he came on down the

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stretch a controversy with a point being
taken away. Muratia wins the decision.

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Dan Your thoughts on his victory,
Well, First of all, the point

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deduction from referee Thomas Taylor in round
eight. The commentators, you know,

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were kind of railing against it,
not in any kind of significant way.

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I know Tim Brawley made the point
that, you know, he didn't love

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that. Same with Krigel. I
didn't really think there was that much of

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a big deal about it, because
the reality was he was blatantly, blatantly

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holding number one had him wrapped up
like to hold the arm, and you

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just can't do that. But more
significantly, Tom Taylor had already worn both

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guys in the part of the fight
for holding. So once you've made a

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certain number of warnings, at some
point you got to follow through, and

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he had no Ie felt he didn't
you know, you couldn't have let it

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go. Yeah, I guess.
But at that point it's like, okay,

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you know, I gotta keep control
of the fight. You keep doing

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this, And it was it wasn't
like a little hold. It was a

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like almost like an arm bar type
of thing, like a wrenching of his

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arm. You got to take the
point now in the in the end,

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while at that moment in time,
you're like, oh, boy, that

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could really have an impact on the
end result of the fight. As it

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turnout, it didn't impact the score
because he got docked to point. But

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the final scores are ninety seven to
ninety two, so that would have still

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been ninety seven to ninety three.
The other scorecard was in favor of more

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time in ninety six to ninety three, so that would have been ninety six

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to ninety four. The only one
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third one would have made it ninety
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That would have been a draw,
so that instead of more Tai winning a

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unanimous decision, he would have won
a majority decision. So does that make

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That doesn't really change the result of
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he still would have won the fight. I thought Farmer fought a good fight

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against a tough opponent. Farmer,
you know, unfortunately for him, you

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know, he's gonna be he if
he hasn't already become, he's gonna be

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if that's the way he wants to
continue with his career, He'll be a

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stepping stone. He'll be a guy
that can absolutely test the younger fighter.

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You know, maybe pulling up set
here there. Still have a career,

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still make some money, the huge
money in this weight class. But he's

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got a good name, he's got
a good attitude, he's got you know,

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he's got good skills. I mean, he was not out of his

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depth against Martai. He competed.
I thought ninety seven ninety two might have

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you know, yeah, maybe it
probably was more like six to four,

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but it was okay. Uh,
but you know, he's he's you you

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need. You need guys like Dada
in boxing. You need veterans that can

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push younger fighters. Are you concerned
for how Murataia looked in the first half

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of the fighter? You just talk
it up to slow start, because he

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was clearly better at the end of
the fight and almost I mean he had

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him hurt in the tenth round,
had Farmer tired and hurt. But are

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you concerned with the Muratai you saw
at the beginning of that fight in the

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first few Yeah, you know,
I'm really not. And the reason I

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said is because every young fighter,
he's not young in terms of his age,

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but in terms of his experience level, everybody's got to go through that

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at some point. He was.
He was in with a very reputable,

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solid, sound, experienced former world
champion that is absolutely still a good fighter.

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And you're not gonna just have your
way every time. I'm glad when

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I see these guys have those kind
of problems. Uh. And even though

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he had the issue is it wasn't
like he was getting beat up or knocked

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down or you know, caught or
anything like that. Just a little bit

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of a slow start. Robert Garcia, who's the trainer, was all over

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him after about round seven with some
urgency. You know, you got to

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put more pressure on him, and
and you know what, he listened.

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That's another thing you know, the
word for about about Maritia, if you

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know the word on the street,
as they say, he's very coachable and

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he you know, he'll listen to
the instruction, and he showed that he

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did do that. He's got a
good attitude about it. So if he

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was fighting a bum, then I
might be concerned. But he wasn't fighting

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a bum. He's fighting a good
quality professional fighter. You know, Tevin

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Farmer deserves credit for being able to
force him to have that type of performance

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in the first part of the fight, and Tomara TIA's credit in the second

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half of the fight. He really
picked it up. You mentioned in the

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tenth round he I thought he was
gonna get the knockout, he really hurt,

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and he blasted him with a right
hand, right right. I thought

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Rayfield might get the late eleventh hour
cash on the Ko. The anytime Ko.

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I was looking right at the clock
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It was one minute and eight seconds
left. It was bad rocked.

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And then you know, there was
still about thirty seconds left. He hit

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him with another big got shot and
again it was another right hand, and

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I thought he was gonna maybe get
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But Farmer, look, he's been
stopping for but he showed the toughness,

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and you know, to me,
it was like crappy first half of

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the fight in terms of his performance
and just as a as to watch as

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a fan, and then much better
in the second half. Now, I

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couldn't pay us close attention in the
first half. Maybe that's why I'm saying

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this, because I had up the
two screens and I was more paying close

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attention to the Ennis fight. But
I had him both up to and I

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didn't see Murataia putting punches together,
et cetera. Farmer's corner, by the

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way, picked up on it right
away. Hey, he's tired, he's

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frustrated. Take it to him.
So that was interesting, but the fight

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was a different fight the second half. In the long run, Yeah,

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this is exactly the kind of fight
that's gonna serve Raymond Marrattaya well. In

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terms of his future, he is
on the cusp of a world title fight.

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We'll see if Top rank can get
him something. He mentioned in the

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post fight interview that after Dennis Baronchek
won the w BO belt, he had

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mentioned Martia's name. I don't remember
that specifically, but I'll take his word

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for it. He's like, I
want him too, so maybe they can

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make that fight. He also mentioned
Chaquarse Stevens's name that obviously is not happening.

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Cha Court is no longer with Top
Rank. In fact, Sha Court

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was in the house in Philadelphia and
interviewed on his own. He's gonna meet

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with Eddie Hearn. They're gonna go
over you know the possibility of what they

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might be able to work out together. Golden Boy is interested in them about

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matching him up with Zapada. Eddie
would like to do him with Zebaida also.

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Obviously that would take Golden Boy to
work with them, but at least

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they've got the common broadcast or anyway. The point for Maretias he's not going

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to get Choquarse Stevens, and at
this point, if he has still been

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with top rank, it might have
been more of a possibility. All Right,

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we'll see what happens there. Then
there was an upset on the top

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rank undercard, sorry night in Las
Vegas. Before we get to Jake Paul,

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what happened to Ruben Villa. I
did not see a lot of the

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fight, but again you talk about
demoralized. He looked demoralized in the corner

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late in the fight. What happened
here is as he was beaten in the

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on the undercard. Well, first
thing about via Rubin via Is was a

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top notch amateur, super silky boxer, you know, not not super exciting,

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not big puncher, but really good, excellent boxer. Remember, he

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owns a victory from twenty nineteen where
he beats straight up and did so rather

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handily against Luis Alberta Lopez, who
would go on to win the IVA featherweight

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title. That's that's his you know, his big win on his record.

405
00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:32,160
He did suffer a competitive loss in
a vacant world title fight when he fought

406
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,000
for the w WBO featherweight title in
twenty twenty against Emanuel Naverette. So he

407
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,440
beats Lopez clean and he goes,
you know, into a very competitive fight

408
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,119
and lose Neverette. Those are two
of the better guys that were in that

409
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,920
weight class and and Lopez is still
there with the title. So he is

410
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,880
a very credible and reputable fighter.
And you know, he's been with top

411
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,440
rank, he's been fighting on these
undercards, on the prelims and not getting

412
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,200
a lot of attention, not fighting
particularly top names, and it was a

413
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,640
similar kind of performance, are similar
kind of opposition. Today he's fighting Inagawa,

414
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,440
a sixteen to four to one fighter, you know, kind of a

415
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:07,720
journeyman type of guy, a Ugandan
native who actually comes from Silver Spring,

416
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:10,440
Meland, Maryland, which is,
you know, not too far from where

417
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,079
I live. So he's known as
we call here the DMV in the district

418
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:18,680
Maryland, Virginia boxing circles. He's
fought in this area plenty of times and

419
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:21,920
he's a South baw and he got
a heck of a big win. Big

420
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,200
win, no and not even a
dispute, I mean clean eight to two,

421
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,799
seven to three, six to four, and even if you watched back

422
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:32,200
the broadcast after the scores renouns,
even even Via nodded his head and smiled

423
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,960
like he knew he got licked.
He knew that that this guy won the

424
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,920
fight. So back to the drawing
guard for him, I'm not sure if

425
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,000
you know what his future is,
at least with top rank. This could

426
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,920
have been one of those type of
losses where you get the pink slip.

427
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:45,440
And in terms of the other guy, Sagawa, I'm not sure he's going

428
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,559
on to become a world champion.
You know what, he's a very serviceable

429
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:49,960
guy. He's sturdy, he's got
a good chin. I think only been

430
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,960
stopped one time, you know,
and he's he's a he's a guy that

431
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,640
just will come forward, He'll make
a fight, will force anybody to work

432
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,920
hard for the win. So you
know, he may be able to do

433
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,079
something. And if you're ever going
to be, you know, a featherweight

434
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,240
in today's boxing, you know,
top rank is probably where you want to

435
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,440
be because they are pretty much run
the division. All right, great stuff

436
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,759
on all of the recaps from Friday
and Saturday. What say we move along

437
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,920
here to a conversation that you had
Jake Paul will be in the ring.

438
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,519
Go ahead and keep the date on
July twentieth, this Saturday in Tampa where

439
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:30,279
I am. He's fighting Mike Perry, primarily a MMA fighter, but he's

440
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:34,359
been a bare knuckle fighter for the
last couple of years. Let's get into

441
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:40,160
this now as Paul gets ready to
fight Perry. Here with the Mike Tyson

442
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,559
fight now on Ice slated for November
because of Tyson's health concerns. Big Dan

443
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,680
talked with Jake Paul in the build
up here for this this disowned pay per

444
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:56,559
view coming on this Saturday. It's
my great pleasure to welcome back to our

445
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,559
podcast for another appearance. It is
the one and only Jake Paul. Jake,

446
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,359
you're one of the few guys I
get to interview who actually has two

447
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,599
fights on this schedule at the same
time. But we'll talk about the reasons

448
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,720
why we'll get into this. Your
first fight coming up, you're taking on

449
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:14,640
the bare knuckle star Mike Perry.
You'll headline the pay per view July twentieth

450
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,359
on his own pay per view in
Tampa, Florida. That, of course,

451
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,960
is the date you were supposed to
fight Iron Mike Tyson coming out of

452
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,640
his long retirement to take you on
in the fight at at and T Stadium.

453
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:26,960
Obviously, you know he is sidelined
because of his medical issue. You're

454
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,599
gonna fight Perry instead and look forward
to rescheduling with Tyson in November. So

455
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,160
let's get into first of all,
in terms of that fight with Mike Tyson,

456
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,640
can you express me just the disappointment
you had gone through the press tour.

457
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,680
I've seen your training videos, I've
seen them back and forth between you

458
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,839
and Tyson on your social media,
and then the fight gets postponed for several

459
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,279
months because of his medical situation with
his ulcer. Can you just talk about

460
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:55,440
your disappointment and having a change up
the way you did. Yeah. Look,

461
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,559
I mean it was definitely heart wrenching, and I felt so bad for

462
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,599
everyone on the undercart as well.
And I knew how much of this meant

463
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,240
to me, and I was so
focused on it. This was like my

464
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,759
one singular focus and then you have
to like shift your mind set away from

465
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:15,200
that all of a sudden, and
so it was a massive l But we

466
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:19,720
love to turn RL's into w's and
that's what we're doing here with Mike Perry.

467
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,720
Keeping the train rolling, staying focused, staying in camp, staying you

468
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,559
know, in the gym, getting
that experience that I need because I started

469
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,680
boxing so much later than everyone,
and so I need to stay ready and

470
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,839
stay fighting. How do you,
though, avoid what would be I guess

471
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:40,680
a natural come down if you will, in terms of motivation, mentality,

472
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440
And again it's nothing against Mike Perry, but it's a big difference going from

473
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Mike Tyson to Mike Perry, it
seems, at least in terms of your

474
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:52,160
mentality. How do you avoid the
pitfalls? Yeah, it was definitely emotional

475
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,880
for a couple of days there,
but you have to realize that you can't

476
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,640
control a lot of what happens in
life, and you just have to roll

477
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,440
with the punches, pun intended,
and stay committed to your goals. If

478
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:12,599
you have true one hun commitment,
then whatever happens doesn't matter because you're just

479
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:17,480
gonna stay working towards the goal and
committed to the goal. It's like on

480
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:22,640
fight week when I'm cutting weight and
people a lot of fighters don't like when

481
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,480
people eat food in front of them
while they're cutting weight, Like someone will

482
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,720
have Chick fil A and a lot
of fighters get pissed off, And it's

483
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,720
like, why are you getting pissed
off if you're not fully committed to your

484
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,400
goal and have the will power to
know exactly what it is that you're doing.

485
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,519
That Chick fil A shouldn't even bother
you, And this is a another

486
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,680
situation like that, Like this that
doesn't bother me. I'm staying focused on

487
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,519
what I have to do. Well. It's interesting that you just brought up

488
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,279
the situation with cutting weight as you
do, so I wanted to ask about

489
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,319
that you were going to fight Mike
Tyson in a heavyweight fight. In other

490
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,839
words, whatever you were going to
wait presumably you know, a little bit

491
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,319
over two hundred. He was certainly
going to be over two hundred pounds.

492
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:06,079
But this fight with Mike Perry is
now a two hundred. I think I

493
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,920
was at one ninety or two hundred, two hundred, so it's the cruiserweight

494
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,920
limit. So it's it's a little
heavier than what you have been fighting at

495
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,559
in general, but you still have
to make a weight compared to the Tyson

496
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,119
fight, Is there any problems there
because you look, you know, you

497
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,640
were talking about how you would put
on some pounds and shown off your new

498
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,559
physique in the videos that you had
posted, and that there is now a

499
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,839
change that it's a different weight class. Yeah, so you know, I

500
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,720
was getting up to like two thirty
five and now back down in to the

501
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:40,039
two fifteens. And that's just part
of the sport, you know, managing

502
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,960
the weight up and down, and
when you know how to cut weight and

503
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:48,079
do it the right way, it's
actually really easy. And so we'll just

504
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,359
shave the rest of that off over
the next twenty something days here now.

505
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,960
In terms of Mike Perry, he's
undefeated in bare knuckle Fighting Championship. He's

506
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,880
five and oho three knockout. He's
had several MMA fights during his career.

507
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,039
He did have one boxing match quite
a number of years ago where he lost

508
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:07,920
by a knockout in the fourth round, but that was a super midweight fight

509
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,039
way back in twenty fifty. Not
sure you can put any stock in that.

510
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,680
But before you made the fight with
him, and obviously the fight with

511
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,880
Mike Tyson, you talked about taking
on, you know, real boxers who

512
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,759
were of a similar experience level as
you are more and fighting those couple of

513
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,319
fights that you had, you scored
quick knockouts, and I'm wondering when this

514
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:32,480
fight with Mike Tyson got postponed,
what was the motivation to go into another

515
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,160
so called, let's call it,
a non traditional boxing match, I guess,

516
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,359
compared to the more traditional ones,
that route that you seem to be

517
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,640
interested to take to get that experience. Yeah, I wanted to give a

518
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,559
big fight to the fans. Both
my last two fights, I was doing

519
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:51,359
what everyone wanted fight, a real
boxer fight, a real boxer fight someone.

520
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:55,359
Yeah, and then you know I
did that. First of all,

521
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,440
easy work, first round knockouts,
but also just the hype wasn't there,

522
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,200
And to me, yeah, that's
part of the reason I'm here and in

523
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,119
this sport is to bring the hype, to bring the big fights. And

524
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,160
so my fans and my haters even
realize that they probably didn't even actually like

525
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,720
those as much. So I was
like, Okay, this guy is violent.

526
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,519
Mike Perry is a killer, He's
a mini Mike Tyson. The fans

527
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:21,599
love this, the fans have been
wanting this for a couple of years,

528
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,519
So let's make this happen. And
that's really where the motivation came from.

529
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,200
Now, I've heard you say in
the past, Jake, talking about Oh,

530
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,000
I would do an MMA fight under
the right circumstances. You were talking

531
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,759
about maybe doing a rematch with na
Diaz in the cage. I wonder,

532
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,839
Okay, I don't know that obviously
has not come to pass. Would you

533
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:45,400
could you consider doing a bare knuckle
fight the way Perry does? Yeah,

534
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,400
I mean I wantn't do bare knuckle. I think it's uh. I don't

535
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:58,519
really think it's a sport. I
think it's like me heads just mauling each

536
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,359
other. That's part of the reason
I love boxing. This is the sweet

537
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:07,599
science. Bare knuckle is just drunken
bastards, like on the tail ends of

538
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,920
their careers, just trying to get
a check, is how I look at

539
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,720
it. So I'm a boxer and
I would venture off into MMA because I

540
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,039
have a wrestling background, But I
wouldn't do bare knuckle. I just don't

541
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,799
look at it as a real sport. Fair enough, In terms of the

542
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:29,119
Mike Tyson fight, if you I
know, it's a big event and obviously

543
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,720
everybody's gonna make a lot of money. There's a huge amount of fan interest,

544
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:36,559
mainstream interest, and I keep thinking
to myself about your position in that

545
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:38,720
fight, that you're you're trying to
make a big matchup. I totally get

546
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,799
that, but you're kind of damned
if you do and damned if you don't.

547
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,640
If you know what I mean in
the sense that if you lose to

548
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,359
a fifty eight year old Mike Tyson
who has not an actual boxing match and

549
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,480
what will be about twenty years,
that'll make you look bad and you probably

550
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,160
won't get a lot of credit.
But if you beat a fifty eight year

551
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,480
old guy that hasn't had a fight
in almost twenty years, as big of

552
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,400
a name as Mike is, obviously, well you're supposed to do. So

553
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:07,400
how do you square that circle?
By not leading a life trying to please

554
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,519
others. I could give a fuck
what anybody thinks or wants me to do

555
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:16,360
or has an opinion on, and
I encourage everyone to live their lives that

556
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:22,440
way because I'm doing this fight for
me to be able to tell my kids

557
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,280
one day that I was in the
ring with Mike Tyson. It's such an

558
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,280
honor. He's a legend, and
if he wants to fight me, I

559
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,800
am more than down and to me, that is what it's all about,

560
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,480
and creating history, creating legacy and
fighting on Netflix the biggest entertainment platform in

561
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:45,039
the world. I could give a
shit what anybody thinks. Listen, I

562
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:46,920
can appreciate that for sure. I'll
say this, there's a lot of people

563
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,400
that come from my age group.
I'm a bit older than you, of

564
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,000
course, to remember watching Mike Tyson
in his prime, when he was champion,

565
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,679
even before he was championing, all
those incredible knockouts, and of course

566
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,760
the end of his career, before
the comeback, and uh, you know,

567
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,360
I think me and others that look
at this matchup have a hard time

568
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,840
thinking to themselves to see that remember
that prime Tyson, about the prospect of

569
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,960
Jake Paul, the YouTuber, the
social media guy, the disruptor, the

570
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,400
Disney actor, all those things that
they call you beating the all time icon.

571
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:22,159
So I have a hard time with
that. But what would that mean

572
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,039
to you, whatever his age is, to just know that you, whatever

573
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,280
his abilities are, that you could
potentially beat iron Mike Tyson one of the

574
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,159
most iconic athletes in the history of
sports. No, and that's exactly why

575
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,039
I'm doing it. Is the honor
that I have for that man, and

576
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:47,519
to be able to go to duel
and to war with someone who's channeled the

577
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,320
energy of the gods of war and
is one of the most respected, legendary

578
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,679
iconic names of all time. It's
going to bring the best out of me.

579
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,880
And I know he's a formidable opponent. I know he still has that

580
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:06,639
power. He looks sharp as ever
on his Instagram, and I'm going to

581
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,480
be putting myself to the test.
His age is the equalizing factor because he

582
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:15,159
has more experience, but he is
not going to be in his prime.

583
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,480
And so I look at this as
an amazing matchup. And for people who

584
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,679
don't maybe want me to beat him
or whatever it might be, like,

585
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,320
including yourself, Well I'm not saying
I don't want you to beat him.

586
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,039
I'm just saying the mentality of seeing
you right right, You're right, all

587
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,039
right, I've got no I like
both of you guys, you know.

588
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,880
No, not saying don't want but
like accepting that that's a possibility. I

589
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,880
would just say to look at the
overall goodness that this is doing for the

590
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:50,360
sport. It's bringing in so many
young fans on the biggest entertainment platform that

591
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,719
will grow into boxers one day and
maybe the next. Mike Tyson is inspired

592
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,320
to go into the gym because of
this fight, in this moment, it'll

593
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,239
be the most amount of eyeballs on
a fight in the past couple hundred of

594
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,239
years. And so I think that's
the beauty in the silver line and of

595
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:13,760
this fight. That's a fair point. I'm not rooting against you. I'm

596
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
not rooting against Mike. But I
covered Mike's end of his career when he

597
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,480
was getting knocked out by guys.
So I actually think you should win this

598
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,000
fight. But that's a different story. But you mentioned about the Netflix thing.

599
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,119
I know that the Perry fight is
a de owned pay per view fight.

600
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,559
The fight with Mike Tyson is on
Netflix, along with yourself and Mike,

601
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:34,119
and obviously the great rematch between Katie
Taylor and Amana Serrano. What does

602
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:36,400
it mean to you? I mean, I look at like this, there's

603
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,039
room for both platforms. There's room
for pay per view fights. There's obviously

604
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:43,719
room for fights that are not extra
money on a subscription service or even on

605
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,199
free television for that matter. But
uh, what give me your thoughts about

606
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,000
being the group you know you and
the keys of your team MVP to bring

607
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,360
Netflix into boxing, at least for
this big event when no one else has

608
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,880
been able to do it so far. Yeah, we had always been talking

609
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:04,599
with them and developed great relationship with
them through my documentary that we did on

610
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:08,039
Netflix, and they always liked working
with us. We always liked working with

611
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,960
them, and we shared a similar
vision of bringing boxing to Netflix and making

612
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:19,079
it a massive staple moment, and
they entrusted in us an MVP and Nikisa

613
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,719
to bring that vision to life on
the biggest way and the biggest scale possible.

614
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,239
And that's exactly what we're gonna do
and did and had ready and planned

615
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,360
for at and T Stadium and now
it just is on a little bit of

616
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:37,360
a rain delayed for November fifteenth.
But that's why, you know, the

617
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,159
name of the business is Most Valuable
Promotions, because that's exactly what we are,

618
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,039
what we represent, the standard that
we hold ourselves to. And so

619
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:51,320
I'll wrap up with this. Then
Jakie first comes Mike Perry. Your last

620
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,119
two fights were first round knockouts against
supposed, you know, full time boxers.

621
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:59,880
Mike Perry is not that, even
though he's very successful in BK.

622
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,320
Do you think that fans will be
looking to see another first round knockout?

623
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,000
What's your expectation for the result.
Yeah, I think it very highly likely

624
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:13,519
could end in the first round.
I think very highly could end in the

625
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:19,159
second round, and no more than
three rounds, that's certain. And he

626
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,960
just doesn't have anything in the skill
sets and the defense and the footwork to

627
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,239
be in there with me longer than
that. There you go, we'll leave

628
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,480
it there, Jake, thank you
very much for your time. I'm gonna

629
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,800
look forward to seeing you fight Mike
Perry and then of course look forward to

630
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,039
seeing you in Arlington, Texas in
November for the big fight with Mike Tyson.

631
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,400
Jake, thank you very much for
your time. Thank you man,

632
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,239
appreciate it all right. A couple
of things. Number One, we know

633
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,840
that you heard a lot of the
cockiness that's always been there. I did

634
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,199
talk to a source with the Amili
Arena, the Downtown Arena in Tampa,

635
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,559
that's where the Tampa Bay Lightning play
hockey, and the tickets are moving for

636
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:59,760
this They are expecting in excess of
fifteen thousand for this one, and it

637
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,280
may it was full at nineteen thousand
and December of twenty twenty one. I

638
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,880
don't know that it gets there,
but they're moving a lot of tickets for

639
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,519
this for whatever it's worth. I
had a thought as the Jake Paul Fight

640
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:13,760
Week begins Amanda Serrano, who's in
the co feature as well, but thoughts

641
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,679
on hearing from Jake Paul. You
know, I was interested to hear from

642
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:22,679
Jake about his thought process about doing
this fight with the Tyson fight still being

643
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,199
rescheduled for November, so you know, he wanted to stay busy. I

644
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,800
found the interesting part about the question
I had for him is if you go

645
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,199
back a couple of fights ago,
was the fact that he was talking about

646
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,719
how, you know, he had
done all these sort of non traditional types

647
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,039
of fights fighting MMA. You know, former MMA fighters, and people were

648
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,199
like, you know, fight a
real boxer, build yourself up, and

649
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,480
he sort of embraced that sort of
concept. And he did that two fights

650
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,719
in a row against fighters that had
experience, that had amateur careers, that

651
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,280
had pretty good professional records, and
he went in the ring with them and

652
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,920
he wiped them out. They were
not pay per view fights, and nobody

653
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,760
was really all that excited. Jake
wasn't all that excited. There wasn't as

654
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,519
much publicity obviously. I don't think
he was making as much money, even

655
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,639
though you know, he was saying, the money is not the end.

656
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,480
I'll be off for me because he's
made so much and has other businesses and

657
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:07,360
other things besides just with his boxing
events. Uh, And he was like,

658
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,639
you know, we were all kind
of sick of that. So I

659
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:12,159
asked, you know what, why
go back to the Mike Perry type fight.

660
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,360
You know, who's known as a
BKFC fighter crossing over to boxing whatever.

661
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,519
He's like, he goes, we
want to make events, and then

662
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,239
people wanted to see this type of
thing. And you know, I'm not

663
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,480
saying and I'm never going to fight
another boxer again, but you know what,

664
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,639
this is what we're gonna do.
And uh, you know, I

665
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,079
wanted to do this while we're gonna
wait for the Tyson fight, so I

666
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,679
can respect that. At least I
felt like he was honest with his assessment.

667
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,599
And by the way he got off
of prank and what else put it

668
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:40,719
on social media. I forgot about
prank called Perry as you. Yes,

669
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,079
he was acting like he was you, and he's always called you Dan Rafael

670
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:50,559
instead of Ray Feel And he even
said to Mike Perry, this is Dan

671
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,880
Rafael of ESPN, and Perry believed
him. Now you can believe what you

672
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,599
want to believe. Maybe it was
stage. It was it seemed I don't

673
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,960
think that. It seemed pretty natural
to me because Perry was going on and

674
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,360
on with his answers. He thought
he was talking to Dan Raphael of ESPN

675
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,360
in the Jake prank you can see
on social media, you know, so

676
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:19,280
I didn't I when they when MVP
posted the clip on their social they didn't

677
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,719
tag me, so I didn't know
about it. And then I started getting

678
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,960
these people that were texting it to
me and sending to me, and and

679
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,199
and you send it to me.
You're like, look at this, and

680
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,440
I saw it. Here's the thing, though, this is not the first

681
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,360
time he's done that, right,
he did. So he does this prank

682
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,719
apparently before every one of his fights. So and I don't know what he

683
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,199
did before the two boxer the real
boxer quote unquote fights, but those are

684
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,440
not these types of events. But
if you go back before he fought Tommy

685
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,360
Fury, he did the exact same
thing. He called John Fury, Tommy's

686
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,960
father, and pretended to be me. So I said to Jake, Actually

687
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,760
I had messaged Jake after I saw
the first one. I said Jake,

688
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,960
that was hilarious. But you do
realize I haven't been with ESPN for like

689
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,119
four years, you know, But
whatever I thought it was funny. I

690
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:05,480
took it with good humor. And
by the way, I guess there's worse

691
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,679
things to happen for to have their
well, you know, I am as

692
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,239
a as a combat reporter, and
and to use my name instead of somebody

693
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,719
else's name. So it's all good
I have. Let's put it this way.

694
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,840
You can tell that Mike Perry thought
he was talking to legitimate journalist,

695
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,559
journalist Dan Raphael, because he went
on and on and on with the answer

696
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:30,800
he gave to the point that they
sped it up on the film with Jake

697
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:34,840
making fun of him. And by
the way, the way these things always

698
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,679
end is Jake asked a very rude
question about it, what's gonna be like

699
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:39,880
when you get knocked the fuck out? Yes, obviously I would ever ask

700
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,920
a person that question, and I
would not ask the question with that language

701
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,760
anyway, even if I did so, the end result is that that's like

702
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,920
the punchline to make him realize he's
not really speaking to me or an actual

703
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,400
journalist. So you know, it's
still Good wants to if you want to

704
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,320
use my name for those I'm I'm
down for the joke. It's I'm good.

705
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,559
I'm telling you one more time that
people that think that this thing's not

706
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,760
gonna sell tickets, it's selling tickets
again. So let's see what the crowd

707
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,199
looks like. We're saying it's not
gonna sell tickets, I'm not exactly it

708
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,480
is, and I don't know how
many people are gonna buy it on his

709
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:16,719
own pay per view, but let's
I mean said from the beginning that when

710
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,320
if the Tyson fight actually takes place, the reason it's in Cowboy Stadium is

711
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,480
because they're gonna break the record for
a fight in Cowboys Stadium. I mean

712
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,920
that is a record of seventy six
thousand or so with Canelo when he fight

713
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,599
against Billy Joe. So owners,
I believe that Tyson against Jake Paul it's

714
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,519
gonna break that record. Yeah,
I mean they're gonna sell some seats,

715
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,199
okay, So that we have that, and we'll wind it down here again

716
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,559
Saturday night late. We're going into
Sunday, but you and not doing this

717
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,400
just after the fights on Saturday,
so there was fight news on the match

718
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,000
rooms show. They made the announcement
social media and on the show of three

719
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,880
upcoming fight cards real real quick.
You want to run through those as part

720
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,000
of the fight news. Yeah,
and then and then they send out the

721
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,280
full pressnouncement on Saturday morning. I'm
not you know, I can see why

722
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,360
they did it at all at once, to announce three shows at the same

723
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,360
time. Maybe they give it a
little more heft and maybe make you not

724
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,079
realize that it's all not that impressive, to be quite honest to you,

725
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,800
I mean, you know, I'll
just keep it real. I mean,

726
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,519
if they were great shows, I'd
say these are great shows. But there's

727
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,639
not one match in this three main
events that really has me excited to be,

728
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,480
to be quite honest with you.
So August thirty first, it'll be

729
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:30,480
in Carson, California at the Dignity
Health Park. You have the excellent super

730
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,559
midlewaight prospect, who with my prospect
of the year at the end of twenty

731
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,679
twenty three. It is definitely a
step up farm He's fighting u Celeski,

732
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,239
who's been in the ring with some
good fighters, the metris Andre for one.

733
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,559
But you know, it just is
just not an exciting fighter at all.

734
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,440
You didn't say that. You didn't
say that in the prospect is Diego

735
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:51,800
Pacheco, but against masage Celeski.
I mean it's a step up, but

736
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,679
it's not like when I saw the
name, I wasn't sort of like overwhelmed,

737
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:55,599
like, oh, I'm super pumped
up for that fight, right,

738
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Uh, maybe that's just me.
You're there, you're there to see what

739
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,639
Checko does or doesn't view, so
it's it gets a learning type of fight.

740
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,440
Then they're gonna take their show on
the road to Mexico with Rocky.

741
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,719
Hernandez is always in an exciting fight, I guess. The day before this

742
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,440
fight was announced, matrim announced that
they had signed Rocky and Nansway contract extension,

743
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,159
and then they announced his fight the
next day. He's taken on Thomas

744
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:21,920
Matisse, who you know has got
some experience. Again, not a bad

745
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,760
fight, but not the kind of
thing where I'm like, oh, I

746
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,480
have to make sure I'm at home
and sit my ass on the couch and

747
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,360
make sure I'm watching a live you
know what I'm saying, Like, it's

748
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,280
not the type of appointment viewing now
obviously with his own you know, if

749
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,039
you're out, you can watch on
your phone if you want. I'm just

750
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,400
making a point that it's not appointment
viewing in my opinion, it's just like

751
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,440
okay. Now that said, if
you look a look at the cards that

752
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,480
that that Matrium has put on in
their Mexican shows where they're doing, you

753
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,480
know, a few each year,
most of those those shows usually are pretty

754
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,280
good. So, like I do
think the fight itself will be pretty solid

755
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,079
and we'll see what they put on
the undercart. But again it didn't blow

756
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,559
me away when I saw that,
and then I guess this is more for

757
00:46:55,639 --> 00:47:00,559
the for the the British folks to
get pumped up about they have. This

758
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:02,079
is the fight that is going to
be in Sheffield, England. Dalton Smith,

759
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,559
who was a top up and coming
one hundred and forty pounder. He's

760
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,679
going to fight for the vacant European
title against the Spanish one time top prospect

761
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,559
John Fernandez. That will be the
main event on September twenty eighth. If

762
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:15,199
I didn't mention it, Rocky Ornandez
and Thomas Matisse is September thirteenth, and

763
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,480
the Diego Pacheco against Aeleski fight is
on August thirty first. So they announced

764
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,400
those three cards. Uh. To
me, it's more quantity than quality.

765
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:30,239
Well, and obviously they are involved
with the re odd season card on August

766
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,159
the fourth, with the Terrence Crawford
card and all the fuss August third,

767
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,639
excuse me, on the Saturday night
that's a zoo perview anyway, that's nice,

768
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,559
and that's now you can get that
fight even without a subscription, So

769
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,960
I don't count that fight, right, correct? Uh? And then and

770
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,199
then you also have the Anthony Joshua
pay per view as well, so there's

771
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,920
gonna be again pay per view.
Correct. There's gonna be a lot from

772
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,039
match Room though, is part of
my point on that. So they're just

773
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,920
theird. But I I will want
quality for my two point fifty or whatever

774
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,719
I'm paying a year for my Dissonne
subscription. But check O Seleski, Hernandez

775
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,199
Matiz and Dalphin Smith, John Fernandez. Those are not eupremium fighting. My

776
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,679
friend, you haven't been getting quality
for a couple of years now on just

777
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,199
his zone without the pay per view
you have no But that's not fair.

778
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,679
I mean I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be even handed. We got to you

779
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,679
know. Boot Sennis made his debut
we got a good fight with Yes,

780
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,760
what's is that one? What's the
fight you just mentioned before with the loss

781
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:29,719
in Puerto Rico with Mattias and Liam
Park With Mattias we got we got Bam

782
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,599
Rodriguez against the Strata that was obviously
worthwhile. So it's not like they're all

783
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:37,480
bad. It's just that when they
announced these three left like with met because

784
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,320
you've also you know, had like
Richardson Hitchens and a couple of other ones.

785
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,760
You gotta get more. You gotta
get more and more better fights.

786
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,599
All right? Uh? With that
some nostalgia to wrap it up on the

787
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:53,280
recap pod as we released this July
fourteenth, twenty twelve, twelve years ago.

788
00:48:53,360 --> 00:49:00,079
On Sunday, Danny Garcia unifies the
WBC WBA Junior welterweight titles at the

789
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,880
Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. I
was just there for other work duties earlier

790
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,599
this week. What do we want
to say about the ko over a mere

791
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:13,000
con that night just over a decade
ago. Well, Number one, this

792
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,480
was a very significant fight at the
time HBO main event. I actually was

793
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:19,400
not in the building. I would
have normally traveled for this fight, but

794
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,360
that was back in the days when
I was doing broadcasting work for Epics and

795
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,280
I was on the call that day
for I went and looked it up.

796
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,119
It was David Hay versus Derek Chesora. We were doing you know, we

797
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,000
did those fights in the studio in
New York City. So I remember doing

798
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,079
that fight in New York, taking
the train home from Manhattan right after our

799
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,960
show and literally got into my house
as they were walking to the ring to

800
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:45,320
watch it on HBO. But this
was a fight that was for the bonafide,

801
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:50,280
not only to unify the titles,
but this was really to determine who

802
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,519
was the number one fighter in the
one hundred and forty pounday class. I

803
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,199
mean a mere con a lot of
people, you know, because he had

804
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,760
some really harsh losses and you know, had a very polarizing sort of career,

805
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,320
but people do forget that at one
time he was very highly regarded.

806
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,639
He was a legitimate top guy in
that weight class. Garcia was making his

807
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,920
first defense. Con was defending his
title. They were fighting for the vacant

808
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,039
you know, the ring title,
the lineal title, however you want to

809
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,119
look at it. Garcia was a
little bit of an underdog and and Con

810
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:21,719
was kind of having his way with
him early on, but uh, Danny

811
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,360
Garcia, because he's got that blessed
with that incredibly good left hook. In

812
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,000
the end, he was able to
really do some damage against Con and get

813
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,519
him out of there and stop him
in the fourth round of you know,

814
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:37,719
what was considered an upset and you
know, once again exposed the chin that

815
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,360
that was always going to be a
mere CON's downfall. But this was a

816
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,920
you know, this is when these
guys were young and you know, entering

817
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,920
their primes if you will, you
know, it was a scenario also where

818
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:53,679
if you remember back Cohn had lost
a controversial decision to Lamon Peterson and he

819
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,639
had lost his h the WBA title, and Peterson had later had a failed

820
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,639
drug test and eventually Con was reinstated
with the WBA title, And that was

821
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:07,039
just a few days before this fight. So it added extra oomph to the

822
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:08,360
fight that it was for the two
belts instead of just a one belt.

823
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,679
That makes sense, all right,
So that one twelve years ago, and

824
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,760
Danny Garcia is the name that we
knew much more, also fighting as a

825
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,519
welterweight too later on in the but
his best days were certainly as as one

826
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,400
hundred and forty pounds. But the
thing also about this is that if you

827
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,840
take a look down at his record
now con not Con but Danny Garcia,

828
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,079
you know he had had a good
win, let's say, against Kendall Holt,

829
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:31,960
who was a good fighter at that
time. This is before he won

830
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,519
the title. He then won the
vacant title against Eric Morales when Morales had

831
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,199
gotten stripped because he missed the weight
for their first fight. His first defense

832
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,960
was against Con, so we immediately
went from that into a real fight.

833
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,320
He didn't take a tune up or
a soft touch or an easy homecoming fight

834
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,079
or something like that. Then he
was forced to do the rematch with Morales

835
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,559
because Morales had that right, and
he knocked him out and ended Morales's career

836
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,880
with the spectacular left hook. And
then he went on a nice run.

837
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,079
He beat zab Judah in a highly
significant fight, and then he was the

838
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:05,960
big underdog against Lucas Mattia. Against
Lucas Matisse, he defeated him when Matisse

839
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,519
was like the oh, you know
the boogeyman if you will, and then

840
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:12,400
he then he barely beat Mauricio Herrera. But that was the prime time.

841
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,079
That was Danny at his best,
and that started basically you know, the

842
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:17,159
Morales fight, yes, because it
was a big name, but the first

843
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,119
real big quality, you know,
even up kind of fight that he had

844
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,480
was this fight with Kind. It
was a big deal back then, HBO

845
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:30,400
main event. All dozen whistles,
love all that. One more piece of

846
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,840
nostalgia and we go all the way
back twenty three years ago. On the

847
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,400
night that we're doing this and putting
the pod eventually to bed, July thirteenth,

848
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:44,400
two thousand and one, Mickey wore
Mickey Ward out slugging Emmanual Augustus.

849
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,760
But I've got on my ray Field
notes he was then Burt Burton, em

850
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,360
Manuel Burton. Well remember he was
Emmanuel Burton, and later he took his

851
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,719
his the last time father, okay, and he became I didn't really know

852
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,559
about Emmanuel Augustus or this fight,
and I got to look it up now,

853
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,880
but he was a man I got
teacher at that time. And you

854
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:05,079
have here. This was two thousand
ones fight of the year and probably the

855
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:10,239
greatest action fight in the legendary ESPN
Friday Night Fight series that went on.

856
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,519
Tell me more about Ward and Burton, pleas no fantastic fight. I mean

857
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,440
they fought like they were It was
like a video game on fast forward.

858
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,159
I mean it was the Ring magazine
fight of the year for one. I

859
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,280
picked it as the fight of the
year for USA Today, which is where

860
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,239
I was working at the time.
A spectacular fight. They did the fight

861
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,320
in a in a in Hampton Beach, New Hampshire, in a small casino.

862
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,000
Wow, typical typical Friday night fights, kind of main event, not

863
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:39,679
a big title fight, but you
know, two guys that came to fight.

864
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,199
Mickey Ward was known for making pretty
good fights at that time. He

865
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,039
wasn't the legend he became because of
the Gaddy fights, But this is kind

866
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:51,079
of what started it. It was
just, I mean, balls to the

867
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,719
wall for ten rounds. Now in
the end it was it was a Mickey

868
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,159
Ward getting the decision. There was
actually some people that thought that it was

869
00:53:57,159 --> 00:53:59,639
Emmanuel Augustus it might have deserved the
decision. I don't know if I agree

870
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:01,199
with that. But what I remember
very vividly, and this was a ten

871
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,280
rounder at one hundred and forty pounds, is that somewhere in the middle of

872
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
that fight you had Teddy Allis,
who of course was the analyst on the

873
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:15,119
Friday Night Fight series at that time. Basically between rounds was like between rounds,

874
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,840
go call your friends, go call
your your dad, go call your

875
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,639
people, go call your buddies.
Tell them because you're seeing something. You

876
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:25,320
are very very special. He knew
early, no rounds maybe like three four

877
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:30,519
five, that you're seeing like an
extraordinary fight because they stood there and just

878
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,559
beat the living shit out of each
other in an absolutely epic fucking fight.

879
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:37,079
Now no knockout, but just an
amazing fight. Now after now he had

880
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:42,239
Mickey had struggled in previous fights.
He had been a couple like he had

881
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,519
come back against a nobody and got
a win. He had lost to Antonio

882
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:50,079
Diaz on HBO in a fight and
you know it was kind of spinning his

883
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,920
wheels. Before that, he had
told the big win if you remember in

884
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,119
the UK against Shane Neary knocked him
out in the eight round. That was

885
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:00,440
the fight that was the basis for
the movie The Fighter where they said he

886
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,519
won a world title. You know, that was sort of them taking some

887
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,760
liberties because it was the very lightly
regarded WBU title, which you know was

888
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,960
not really a real world title.
But anyway, but after he beat Augustus.

889
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,800
He got another opportunity on HBO and
he lost a technical decision to James

890
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,599
Leiha. But a lot of people
thought that James Laihak kind of shammed out

891
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:22,280
the way he did the way that
fight ended, and they brought him back

892
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,360
and what was the fight They brought
him back for it because it was a

893
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,920
good performance against Leyah. That was
the first Artaro Gotti fight. There you

894
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:34,239
go. So with this, with
this Augustus fight, it led to you

895
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,880
know, it paved the way,
if you will, for what became the

896
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,079
final three fights of Mickey's career against
Arto Gotti. And this fight against Augustus

897
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:45,079
is every bit as action packed as
as any of those Gatty Ward fights.

898
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:47,119
And again, if you're searching for
it, Ward Burton is how it was

899
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:51,840
billed. Augustus was the name that
he took later and it's two thousand and

900
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,360
one if you could find it from
Friday Night Fights on that And by the

901
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,480
way, I did see this that
a couple of days ago. It's the

902
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,559
twenty eight the anniversary of Bowl Alatta
and the Mayhem at Madison Square Garden,

903
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:07,000
which we've talked about before with the
DQ and everybody in the ring and the

904
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:09,880
mayhem of that night. So yeah, one of the things, by the

905
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,360
way, about this Mickey Ward fight, as I just looked this up,

906
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,599
I mentioned about what Teddy was saying
in the fight. He scored a draw

907
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,480
and Burton had gotten knocked down in
the ninth round, So Mickey, I

908
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,679
guess, was able to on Teddy's
card anyway pull out the draw. I

909
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:30,079
guess where they late knocked them.
So some good nostalgia on that one twenty

910
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:34,559
three years ago, the tacular fight, man o one check a thing.

911
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:36,679
Like I know, a lot of
times when we do the nostalgia we talk

912
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,559
about really really famous fights, you
know, Hagler, Hearns and Tyson fights

913
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:43,679
and Oscar deel Ai fights, and
Floyd and Pacio and Canelo and you know,

914
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,840
the big superstar names, or even
Gaddy for that matter. But sometimes

915
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,239
there are fights that don't necessarily have
to involve Hall of famers, are megastars

916
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,119
or even before world titled to have
it be worth us discussing because it should

917
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:59,519
be a fight that people don't forget. I actually pulled out my program from

918
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:01,079
this fight, which I didn't have
at the time when it took place.

919
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,960
I actually found it years later and
bought it for super cheap. But to

920
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,559
me, it's one of the coolest
programs I have because they definitely didn't make

921
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:09,960
a lot of them. It's in
perfect shape and this is like one of

922
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,760
Like I said, Friday Night Fights
existed as a series on ESPN two.

923
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,880
I want to say it started in
nineteen ninety seven or nineteen ninety eight.

924
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:22,159
It lasted for like what they you
know, fifteen years thereabout something the last

925
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:27,599
seventeen years whatever, and it was
on every week as the reliable Yeah anything

926
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,760
amazing. I think this may very
well be the greatest action fight in the

927
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,400
entire history of the series. As
you mentioned earlier, it's good stuff.

928
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:36,480
By the way, what was the
program and you still haven't found it yet?

929
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,480
Did you look again from the last
time? Are you reminded me?

930
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:40,440
Well? No, have you looked? We talked about two days ago,

931
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:44,519
but you haven't looked for it again? Or go I have? Oh no.

932
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:50,599
So it was to remind people we
were discussing the Evander Holyfield Dwight Muhammad

933
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:54,280
Kawih when holy Field won his first
world title in a spectacular fifteen round war

934
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:58,480
on ABC, which we made a
mistake. We should tell people it was

935
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,280
not called by Jim Lambler. The
mistake. I made the mistake what I

936
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,800
said, I'm on the team.
I'm on the team. Jim Lampley was

937
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,440
not on the call that day,
even though he was doing boxing at that

938
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,960
point. Was right, and Alex
Wallow on the call that great fight.

939
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,280
But the bottom line is you were
saying you can't find the program. I

940
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,039
looked in someplace, have a catalog. You don't know where it is.

941
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:22,440
I it's you know what, I'm
in my office right now. If people

942
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,000
had the video, they'd see it
in my office. Visualize people visualize,

943
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,639
and I have you know, you
don't see it in this if you know,

944
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:31,840
if we had the video. I
have some boxes of my programs in

945
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:37,079
this room, and I have some
other programs in the cabinet, in et

946
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,559
cetera. And it's here somewhere.
I just don't know which one it's in.

947
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:45,960
And I've got fucking like three thousand
programs. So no exaggeration, oh

948
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:49,800
no, not exaggeration, over three
thousand programs. So somewhere it's been misplaced

949
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,000
because it's not with my Evander Holyfield. Just out of curiosity, and we're

950
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,719
going to go in just a second, do you have them by fighter?

951
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,239
In other words, would there be
a box with holy Field programs or do

952
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,719
you categorize them by year? Or
how do you basically try to keep track

953
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:08,480
of it. It's not the perfect
situation, but by and large it is

954
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:10,840
by the fighter. And you say, well, what if they, you

955
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,400
know, like holy Field versus Tyson, is it with the holy Field programs

956
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,079
or and if I like that,
I usually the way I've done it,

957
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,360
and I do the same thing sort
of with my posters, not one hundred

958
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,400
percent of the time, sort of
like the way I want to do it,

959
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,880
but mostly I do it by the
winner. So if so, my

960
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:30,880
holy Field Tyson programs are with holy
Field programs right as opposed to the Tyson

961
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,119
programs. Not always doesn't always work
like that, but generally speaking, so

962
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,320
for the bigger name fighters and those
type of things, they are pretty much,

963
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:38,880
you know, handled by the fighter. I've got like on my Roy

964
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,360
Jones programs together my main weather programs, by De la Hoya programs, my

965
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,119
you know, Canelo programs, whatever, But the rest of them are generally

966
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:51,280
in chronological order. But the holy
Field COWI program that we're talking about took

967
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:57,320
place before I was collecting everything and
going to fights and getting them like every

968
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,280
month and putting them in chronological so
that should be in a separate area that

969
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,719
I have for what I consider the
most significant fights of the rare programs that

970
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,559
type of thing. And it's not
where it's supposed to be. The search

971
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:13,079
is still on. Uh, the
APB is out, the all Points bulletin

972
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:15,960
for that holy field. You're gonna
have to keep updating the all right,

973
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,599
we will, we will, we
will keep it up there with that,

974
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,400
you just made mention of the other
program that you have there for the Mickey

975
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,360
Ward fight and just prompted me.
All right. Uh So, as I

976
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,280
mentioned, I'm off on a vacation
with Missus Reeves for three or four days.

977
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,800
I promise I will be back in
time for Jake poll fight weekend in

978
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,719
Tampa later this week. You heard
from Jake on this podcast against Mike Perry

979
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,239
that is the designed pay per view
for Saturday night out of Tampa. Uh.

980
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,719
Let's have a good week here.
We recapped all the fights, uh,

981
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,320
and we look forward to everything that's
gonna happen later this week with a

982
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,559
preview podcast, et cetera. My
friend, have a good week, Dan

983
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,159
ray Field all good stuff and have
a good trip with the missus. There

984
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:58,559
we go. H for all of
you again, make sure you follow,

985
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:00,920
subscribe, We come your way twice, previewing going into the weekend, recapping

986
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,880
coming off the weekend. Right here
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987
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:07,960
Reeves. You've been listening to the
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