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I think I really learned my golf
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just knowing what makes me Dylan Wu
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be somebody else, like if you
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you're taking Rory Mcinroy's driving and you
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really for me, just realizing,
like what am I good at, and

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like how I can play good golf. And that's kind of how I attacked

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Every golf course might not fit my
eye, but there's certain ways I can

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attack it in a way that's going
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Say, everybody's hitting driver on the
whole just because it's a little longer and

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the cold curbs rights left. I
like to cut the ball. I'm going

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to hit three wood here and it's
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Is basically like doing those small things
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doing what everybody else is doing.
Hi, this is John Pope from Milwaukee,

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Iowa. When I play at Lake
Panorama National Golf Course. This is

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Golf Smarter number nine hundred and twenty
four Mega Tour Pro Dylan Wu on his

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journey to reach the highest level of
golf competition. This is Golf's sharing stories,

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tips and insights from great golf minds
to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ. There's your
host, Fred Green. Welcome to the

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Golf Smarter podcast. Dylan, Hello, Fred, thanks for having me.

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Hey, thanks for having your people
reach out to me. I'm always fascinated.

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I generally don't talk to PGA tour
players or professional golfers, mostly golf

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instructors. I do love talking to
their caddies. So we can talk about

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that too, because you know,
you guys have been burned by the media

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and so you don't necessarily want to
answer a lot of things. So that's

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why I'm like, yeah, we
don't need to bug you. Do you

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want to bug you? But I've
got you. So, so let's talk

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about your journey to professional golf and
what level you're at. So let's start

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from the beginning there. Yeah.
So I grew up in Metford, Oregon,

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so a town twenty five miles with
the border of California, about eighty

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thousand people. So I'm the oldest
of four. I have two brothers that

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are sixteen months younger than me,
twin brothers, and then I have a

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younger sisters four and a half years
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People ask me like, how did
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dad, when I was born,
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actually have pictures of myself on the
putting green when I was honestly probably one

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or two with him, just I
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on the putting green. The only
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is maybe I was like four or
five carrying a bag of snoopy clubs to

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the range with my dad. But
yeah, I know, all four of

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us play golf with my dad.
My mom doesn't play golf. We tried

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teaching here in golf. But now
the cool thing is our all our family

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plays golf. I played golf at
Northwestern, My twin brothers played golf at

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Valparaiso and Air Force, and then
my younger sister just graduated this past spring

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from Lipscomb University. So all of
us played Division one golf. Wow,

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really cool. Oh your dad must
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I like to say the ice at
the tone with the being the first one,

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so but no, no, yeah, but no rebellion. Come on,

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you got three younger siblings and they're
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that, he's doing it exactly.
So no, it's it was. It

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was very good, really nice.
Like when we get back home for the

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holidays or just to spend time together, we get to play golf together.

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So no, it's really really fun
to play golf with my dad and and

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play golf of my brothers. One
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Jeremy caddies for me. Caddies for
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two and a half years. But
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played ice hockey and golf actually for
uh pretty early, so probably I'd

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say we started playing golf seriously at
like the age of five and ice hockey

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at the same time. So my
brothers and I played played ice hockey really

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competitively. I wouldn't say as high
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I think I love golf more just
deep down, but I love playing ice

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hockey in the wintertime. It was
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You can play kind of all year
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cold in the winter and it might
snow, so hockey was a great escape

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from golf. And you can use
your anger in a good way in hockey.

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With this golf, it backfires quickly
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was a great combination. And then
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and just I loved golf growing up. I mean, I just wanted

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to be at the club every day. My brothers and I would literally just

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my parents are dentist. They would
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us there. All day would be
for us. It'd be awesome about probably

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running chaos around all the members and
stuff like that. But just a small

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club in southern Oregon where you grew
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Medford, and it's yeah, it's
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and that's kind of where everything started. And just slowly started getting better

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and just older and older. I
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good, and I was the best
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Then I started graduating into playing in
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the West coast in California. Then
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then just then high school came and
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like, Okay, I think I'm
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but I would love to have the
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let's stick, let's let's try to
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my in high school just kept on
getting better, played a lot of

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AJJA tournaments. I was fortunate enough
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both done this, like I said, support all four of us and give

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us opportunities. And I remember flying
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tournaments on my own. Honestly,
just traveling on my own, sting with

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host family. So I was pretty
independent at a pretty young age. So

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how young I remember the first time
flying across the country. The first time

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was actually when I was ten or
eleven with to see my grandma and who

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lives in Tampa, and I went
to the for like three weeks. I

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went to like the IMG Academy in
Bradenton when I was like ten, but

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then more consistently when I was like
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just flying, staying at host families, playing in national AJJ tournaments and then

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just getting better. And yeah,
I just became a better golfer, got

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instruction for my dad growing up,
and head pro at the course I grew

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up at. And I was kind
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straight, not necessarily a far,
but hit the ball straight, hit a

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lot of greens, and just played
really smart, simple golf, and that's

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kind of what I do nowadays.
But it was Yeah, I just kept

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on getting better, and then I
decided I was pretty good. Got to

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maybe top ten in my class at
one point, so I knew I was

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good enough to play at college golf. And I already had kind of dead

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set on going to a handful of
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a good academic school and a good
golf school at the same time, just

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because I mean, everybody wants to
be a professional athlete, but really really

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hard. So let's have a backup
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I thought it was gonna be in
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that i'd be on the west coast, probably California, but took visits to

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Washington, Stanford, cal Pepperdine talked
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Then I was moving a little bit
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talked to Northwestern, and then a
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and then took a visit to Northwestern
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that'll sell it. Yeah, never
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outside of Chicago, right, yeah, exactly, it's based just north of

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Chicago. Never been. Doesn't snow
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cold. It was cold. So
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conducive to golf or pleasure. No, no, I don't miss the Chicago

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winners. I'll say that. But
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the middle of January. Best visit. My coach was the biggest reason I

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went to Northwestern, Pat Goss.
He was He's been there for almost thirty

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years. He's still my coach now
on all of my game. So the

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one thing that really separated my visit
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I could go to all these good
schools that I listed before, like get

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a great degree, I could do
something successful, But if I really want

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to become a professional golfer and get
to the next level, I want to

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be at a place where I can
develop as a player, and literally on

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my visit, Pat told me he'd
base his success as a coach on how

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I developed, and that kind of
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coaches, not a lot of college
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most of time, college coaches are
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and like your team managers. They
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high instructors that have coach professional golfers
or Preja Tour players like Luke Dhl went

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to Northwestern. Pat basically ever since
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one in the world. I'm like, if this guy can take him to

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number one in the world, he
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yeah, So honestly, my four
years at Northwestern were great. I mean,

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Pat, there's the instrumental to my
success. But yeah, I just

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kind of I've always in my career
just kind of got slowly, slowly better.

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So, yeah, I played four
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good, but junior year is kind
of the biggest year there. That's when

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I was a second team All American, finished rank like twelve in the country.

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That's when I I'm a big believer
in like having your results speak for

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them. You need to have your
results validate like your your goals and your

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dreams. So like that's when I
realized, like, hey, I'm gonna

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actually try playing professional golf. But
I also wanted to work hard in school

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and do well in school, just
to make sure that I had something to

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fall back on. So I was
economics major at Northwestern, did well in

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school. I always thought if I
did well in school, it was easier

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for me to focus on the golf. I did two internships in college and

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just try to kind of get a
full business agree and make sure I established

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a lot of connections and just had
a backup plan in case golf didn't work

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out. And luckily it's it's been
going it's been going well. So luckily

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i'd rather be playing golf for a
living. But yeah, but yeah,

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my junior year is a big year. And then yeah it turned What was

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it about the junior year that that
kind of helped you decides like, yeah,

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this is gonna work, I'm going
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I just slowly got better. But
I think I really learned my golf DNA.

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I thought it was this. The
simplest thing is probably just knowing what

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makes me a good golfer, like
what makes Dylan MoU play his best golf,

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Like not trying to be somebody else, not I mean everybody like looks

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like if you had to make a
great player, like you're taking like Rory

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mcroy's driving and you know, Tiger's
ball striking, but like just really for

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me, just realizing like what am
I good at, and like how I

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can play good golf. And that's
kind of how I attacked every golf course.

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And there might not be golf courses
that are super I mean, it

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might not fit my eye, but
there's certain ways that can attack it in

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a way that's going to make me
play my best golf. It's like the

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small stuff, like say, everybody's
hitting driver on this whole just because it's

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because it's a little longer and the
whole curves right to left, and I'm

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like, well, I like to
cut the ball. I'm gonna hit three

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wood here and it's probably it's still
gonna go in the fairway. So it

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basically like doing those small things that
take more confidence to do, like you're

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more confident in your ability and like
what you're thinking and your decision making versus

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just doing what everybody else is doing. Do you know what we call that?

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Right? Oh yeah, golf smorter. Yeah yeah, there's a reason

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for that. Yeah. So that's
that's basically kind of a nutshell. And

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then I just just kept on getting
better and getting more comfortable. I don't

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say to think, I just my
game was just getting better, and I

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was putting myself in good positions,
Like I won only one time my junior

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year, but the biggest, the
biggest status. I think we played twelve

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times that year, thirteen times.
I had two finishes outside the top ten

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and there are twelve both times and
they're in our two strongest events. So

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like, just the amount of consistency
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big indicator for me, Like I
was I've always been a big believer in

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like consistency, Like, of course
golf is like play well when you're hot,

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Like consistent doesn't really do well.
Like you could finish thirty every week

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and it's not the same. You
could finish fourth one time and miss the

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next seven cuts and it's way better. But yeah, that's that's kind of

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I feel like I just overall just
became a I kind of really knew what

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kind of golfer I wanted to be
and what I was, And honestly,

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with golf is like everybody wants to
swing in a certain way and want to

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get better, but like, honestly, the same the same things that make

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you good now are probably the same
things that made you good when when you're

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a junior golfers, you're just trying
to slowly get a little better, a

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little better every single every single day, every single year. And that was

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basically my goal. So let me
do this. Let's take a break right

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here, and then when we come
back, we'll advance from graduating college and

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going pro. Yep, all right, and we'll do that right after.

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This sounds good. So as a
junior, thing started to click. Junior

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at Northwestern, things started to click
for you. And then you've got you

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know, it's not like football or
basketball where you're like, Okay, I'm

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going pro right now, and you
were really focused on getting your degree and

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having that backup plan in order.
So what happened your senior year and then

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how did you make it make the
decision to go pro? Yeah, senior

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year started off really well, pretty
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Senior Spring though, wasn't as as
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with senior Spring sometimes you're looking already
towards professional golf senior itis. Man,

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You're you're putting pressure in yourself to
perform, and honestly just wasn't performing as

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well. So but I still kind
of performed what I needed to. So

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before this, like when I was
graduating, I was gonna there was no

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pgator University like there is now.
So like now with all the changes of

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the PGA Tour, if you're a
really good junior and senior, once you

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graduate, you get status on the
PGA Tour Latino America or PGA tor Canada

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or even if you or if you're
in the top five, you get into

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corn Ferry status. So they didn't
have this until the last like two three

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years. So when I was in
college, if you wanted to turn pro

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afterwards, you either needed to be
really really good to get like the top

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five guys in college to get like
exemptions in the PGA Tour events or exemptions

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in the Corn for events. Even
I would say, like if I finished

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my senior year, I probably have
been ranked maybe maybe anywhere between like twelve

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to fifteen ish if I was to
include my junior and senior year of the

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guys they graduated, maybe maybe a
little higher than that, but I think

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roughly around twelve to fifteen, but
not good enough to get exemptions. So

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I did Q school for PJA tor
Canada when I was still in college my

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senior year. So I played the
Big Ten Championship in Baltimore my senior year.

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I finished third, and then I
flew all the way to Vancouver Island,

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British Columbia the next day to do
Q school for Canada. And then

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you needed to finish in the top
twelve and ties to get guaranteed starts,

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and I finished tenth, so I
got guarant t start. So after I

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played the National Championship, I was
going to go straight to Canada and play

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in my first four event. I
mean, play at my first professional event.

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The funny thing is that Northwestern's on
the quarter system. So I played

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the National Championship and go play my
first pro event at the end of May,

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and I don't graduate till the third
week of June, so I actually

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play three two events in Canada.
No, three events in Canada. Then

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I skipped an event to go to
my graduation in June. Wow, Well

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I have a similar Just crazily,
I have a similar story. Is that

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I always wanted to be a disc
jockey when I was in college, and

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on graduation day of college, I
was on the air as a DJ in

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San Francisco and I was going to
school in San Francisco. So it was

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like, you did it. Yeah, I'm curious when when you talked about

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how you just didn't perform as well
when you when you got to your senior

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year, does that mean you weren't
scoring as well or you weren't placing as

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well. How does that play out? Well, a little bit both.

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I mean, of course it's definitely
more performance result, but I think I

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just wasn't finishing as well, not
as competition. Yeah, and competition for

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sure. Like I honestly think I
just part of my part of my game.

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My ball striking kind of went a
little down. I don't think I

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was straight and just kind of missing
it. And then I think, of

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course, mentally, you just get
frustrated because you just came off such a

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good year and you you have high
expectations, so if you're not meeting those

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expectations you want to be. You're
pretty hard on yourself, and I'd say

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I'm pretty hard on myself. So
I think it was just I won't say

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it's a wake up call, but
I think it was just me just having

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to go through that. Just a
tough time. Everybody goes through it,

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but you just gotta you just kind
of grind through it. But like even

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through that senior spring when I wasn't
playing as well, the Big Ten Championship,

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finished third, and then to get
through Q School and get guaranteed starts

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right like during that stretch, even
though when I wasn't playing, it's just

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like just at the end of the
day, you just got to get it

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done somehow, Like it doesn't have
to look pretty. We just got to

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get it done. So like a
looking back, like if I didn't finish

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in the top ten that week at
Q School, I probably I'd have to

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wait till till Cornferry qu School and
wait a couple times. I don't know

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what would happen, because honestly,
that first summer when I played those twelve

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events on the McKinney Tour, the
PG Tour Canada, I really learned how

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to be a professional golf for that
those twelve those twelve tournaments. Like coming

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from college golf, your coach,
your coach tells you to basically show up,

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do this, like go to workouts, do all in school. Here's

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practice, come be here, like
flights were taken care of, like a

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hotel, Like you just getting told
what to do, right, they're setting

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up practice and everything like that.
But like professional golf, it's all on

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your own. So you're learning how
to travel, pay for your own travel.

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You're learning how to like take accountability
and like plan your practice and like

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how you're going to prep at a
tournament without coaches telling you what to do.

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So you're just on your own.
So you really learned that. So

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there really is a huge difference,
a huge jump. I mean, I

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know of other college sports there's a
huge jump going into the pros. But

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but you even fit missed for yourself, a huge change, and it was

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mostly because it was all on you. Now all on you until you get

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to like the PGA Tour. Now, like I mean people have like maybe

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you're you have a coach, swing
coach, but you don't have necessarily a

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team around you, like the best
players now like now I have like a

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sports psychologist, a trainer, my
coach, like everything everything. But like

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at the time, you're just like, all right, I need to let's

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go try to make some money and
try to try to make a living a

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little bit. Yeah. Now,
so I remember like the first time a

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second I remember missing the cat my
first event as a pro. But the

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second event I finished t fourth in
Canada, I made like eighty eight hundred

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Canadian I remember like after the currency
exchange and the tax taking out my got

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the deposit it was like five like
fifty two hundred or something like that,

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and I was like, wow,
I'm I have so much money right now,

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coming from nothing. But I'm like, now I think about it now,

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I'm like, damn, I was, but that's just I'm curious.

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Did you call your your dad?
It's like, okay, I've won money

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now, yeah. I mean,
honestly, his response was like, really

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five thousand dollars yea dollars developed for
five thousand. It's like work when you

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get paid in Canadian because it's seventy
five percent. So no, I just

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really learned how to be a professional
up there. So like, honestly,

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you can't really look at making that
much money. If you play on the

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PGA toward Canada, you're just trying
to help play well to get to the

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next level. So I played fine
up there. I don't know, there's

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like the top sixty guys keep their
keep their status on there. I finished

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like fortieth. But if you play
really well, you get to skip stages

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of Q School. But I didn't
play well enough to skip some stages,

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so I to start always skipped one
stage, so I had to start at

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first stage of Q School in September
of twenty eighteen. So from June to

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May to September, I was playing
in Canada, played decent, but really

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learning how to be a professional golfer
and learn what it's like. And that

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was instrumental for sure, just to
like at least have that under my belt,

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because if I didn't happen, I'm
basically like I may basically be graduating

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and then maybe playing some mini tour
events we're just which is basically organized gambling,

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and then going to Q School.
Having a tournament experience, professional tournament

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experience was great, and then I
went to Q School, made it all

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the way to the final stage of
Q School, which is Q School is

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probably the worst thing in golf,
like I wouldn't. I hope in my

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career I'd never have to do Q
school again because it's literally it's literally the

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worst thing in golf. Like if
people why, it's just because it's just

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like making a break. Like with
golf, it's already like all on your

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own. But like if Q school, so there's like there's like four different

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stages you have pre qualifying, which
is like prequallfying doesn't really matter because if

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you're at all a good golfer or
a decent golfer, usually you are exempt

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to skip that. It's usually just
weaving out the people who are club pros

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that think they're good enough to play
professional golf. You know, like somebody

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goes up to you, like,
dude, you shot like seventy at your

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home course today, Like you should
try to play professional golf. It's like,

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yeah, anybody can shoot seventy at
their home course. You're playing the

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same course every single day, the
same teas. You know, these greens

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are ready and you're super comfortable.
Versus if you go play in a tournament,

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Like that's why women you see a
scratch golfer go play, say in

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any tournament they're gonna be way worse. It's just like tournament conditioned. Tournament

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play is just so much different than
just playing at the club with your buddies.

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It's just way different. I mean
it's not as fun, but just

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making a putt, like honestly,
like making a four or five footer that

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means something for money and like mean
something. It's way harder than you raking

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it in your money game on Saturday
now with the boys. So yeah,

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Q school is just tough because if
you have to advance to the final stage

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to get status, and if you
don't get to this final stage, you

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basically have to wait another year,
so year of your life, a year

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of your life waiting to I mean
you can if you don't make it,

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you can play mini tour events,
stay opens and like make ends meet and

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stuff like that, but you're not
really furthering your golf career unless you get

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through to the final stage at Q
school. Because if you let me ask

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you a question, if you didn't
make it through that and you had to

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wait the year, are you the
kind of guy that would like, Okay,

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I'm just gonna work harder and stronger
and do everything possible over the next

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year to get me there or are
you the kind of person that would go

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Okay, So it's not the cards. I'm going to go Luckily I have

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my degree. I'm gonna move on, No, and just play golf for

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fun. No, for sure,
there's you have to be realistic. So

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I honestly like, as soon as
I graduated, I want you have to

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kind of give yourself enough time.
So I kind of told myself. I

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had a serious girlfriend at the time
too, that was older than me,

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that was working stable job and everything. I told her, I'm like myself

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now, yeah, now my wife
more, congratulations you made it to the

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pros. Yeah, but uh,
I kind of told her, I'm like,

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I'll give me four Like I'm gonna
give myself four years. Like I'm

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always realistic. You got to have
like your results have to validate, like

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your your decisions and your goals.
That's always been like I don't know why

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I think that, but that's always
been a part of me. So like

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I was like, if I can't
get at least better, say where I

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might see myself get better and move
forward in my professional golf career after four

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years, I can't do it,
then I'm like Okay, I gave it

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a try, and I'll go do
something else. I'm not going to be

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thirty five years old playing mini tour
events and just trying. And they have

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kids and family and like putting that
stress in my family. Like I love

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golf, but like I don't love
golf that enough to to do that,

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do that to my family and like
my my my personal life. It's just

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that would suck it. Just you
make thirty five sound like it's really far

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away. How old are you?
I'm twenty seven, okay, yeah,

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all right, and you've got the
career going and yeah, so that's that's

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I was just trying to be realistic. I think, just sure, you

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just got to be realistic. So
that's the one thing I was. But

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luckily I made it to final stage
Q School that year, I got corn

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Ferry status and then I basically,
yeah, I played a couple of years

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in the corn Ferry. Basically just
my entire career has just been slowly going

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up. I honestly would have been
on the I've been been on the PGA

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Tour in twenty twenty the end of
twenty twenty, so the fall twenty twenty,

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I would have technically been on the
PGA Tour, but COVID happened in

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life, so instead of everybody graduating
to the PGA Tour that year, nobody

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graduated. So there's two seasons.
So instead of that, you know,

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full season the corn Ferry, you
have like twenty five events, and the

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top twenty five advanced to the PGA
Tour. I think I was eleventh or

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tenth on the points list after one
season. But then when you have two

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seasons, you have like forty five
events, and it's like way more points.

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You have to play well for such
a longer period, so much harder.

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So I'm like literally my yeah.
So twenty twenty one, starting up

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like I was, I was kind
of struggling with my game. I wasn't

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playing really well, missing a handful
of cuts, like it was kind of

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a struggle. I dropped outside the
top twenty five actually, and then I

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end up winning a corn Fery event
like the fourth the third or fourth last

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corn fer event before the playoffs before
your card actually. So then so that

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that same year I was struggling,
I do US Open qualifying sectionals and I

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qualify for the US Open at Tory
Pines. So that was kind of a

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turning point too. That was like
in May when I was kind of struggling,

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went to do us O win sectionals. But the problem is there's a

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the US Open is the same there's
a there's a Corn Ferry event going on

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at the same time as the US
Open. So oh, literally on the

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edge of the twenty five number,
and there's probably eight events left in the

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season, and I decided to play
in the US Open instead of playing that

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corner for event that week. All
right, let's we'll pick up there.

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It's a good spot to stop and
take a break and then we'll come back

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for the US Open. Dylan Wu
after this, Okay, So Corn Ferry

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Tour, US Open. It's an
easy decision, or is it? Yeah?

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I mean, looking at now,
I mean it's probably the smart decision

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is probably playing in the corn for
event to try to get a PJA Tour

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card versus playing out. But but
it's my first YE Open. I want

409
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to go play. So it's at
Tory Pines. I decided to play,

410
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:52,200
And that was a really big,
kind of a pivotal moment in my career.

411
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,359
Honestly, the one thing that was
really weird is my it was not

412
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,359
my first PGA Tour event I Monday
qualified for once before to the Shriner's Open

413
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,519
in Vegas. So it was my
first US Open, second tour event.

414
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,559
But the one thing second event,
the one thing that was cool was like,

415
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:08,680
I'm playing practure rounds with a couple
of buddies that I played college golf

416
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,119
with. I'm playing practicing with Colin
Marikawa. I mean, unreal player,

417
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,519
where we were buddies in college.
Were still buddies on tour? You were?

418
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,559
He was in California. We were
a year apart, but a lot

419
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:26,039
of my buddies went to I went
to cal is probably my backup choice there.

420
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,359
They're my second choice. Wo yeah, over there have a lot of

421
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,039
friends that went to Berkeley. So
playing practure on with Victor Howland, Colin

422
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,559
and I'm playing with these guys,
I'm like, I want to say I'm

423
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:40,599
sar starstruck, but I'm just like
that week at the US Open, I'm

424
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,640
I'm working out next to Rory.
The only person that I was just actually

425
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,079
was starstruck that week was Rory.
I'm like, this guy's kind of sick.

426
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,839
This guy, well, I was
seeking all that week, like in

427
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,759
the pressure rounds and even the tournament
days like hitting, hitting in between DJ

428
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,799
Phil Bryson. And the one thing
that was really weird that week is like

429
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,640
the pressure. Like even if I
played tea up sometimes on the first t

430
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,240
shot with them playing with buddies,
like I feel like a little uncomfortable,

431
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,400
But that week, the whole week, really I was. I never felt

432
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,640
that much pressure. I have no
clue why. I still don't understand what

433
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,000
happened my first year is US Open, but like I just really was so

434
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:15,559
comfortable there. It was like super
cool. It was super fun. I

435
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,599
was just like you played Tory Pines
before. I played it before, but

436
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,200
it's been like seven years, like
not not even the US Open, So

437
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,960
like, yeah, I just I
just played I played solid. I played

438
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,400
well. I finished thirty first in
my first US Open. I think I

439
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,920
made like eighty thousand dollars that week. But it was just a really cool

440
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,680
experience to play in my first major
and just for some reason had like a

441
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,839
lot of family and friends, like
a lot of my family is on the

442
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,279
West Coast. And then and doubt
never creep crept in. I mean it

443
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,680
probably did. It's like maybe on
Sunday and Saturday, but like near the

444
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,759
cut line stuff like that. Like
I was the first tea shot. I

445
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:48,440
was just like, let's go,
let's go play, and I was like,

446
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,440
this is so weird. I'm like, I was just comfortable. And

447
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,039
it's like sometimes sometimes you feel comfortable
and then and then you get to the

448
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:57,119
first tea You're like, why why
am I Why is this? Why am

449
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,519
I nervous here? That makes no
sense. I've it's just nerves sometimes are

450
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,799
just weird like that. But yeah, so and you made the cut by

451
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,799
how much? I think I made
the cup by like three or four shots.

452
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,480
I think I was in the at
the time. I was like probably,

453
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,880
so the second I was finished.
I teed off late the first day

454
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,680
and then we didn't not already finished. So I played the second day like

455
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,440
twenty four holes. But the beginning
of my finishing my first round the second

456
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,599
day and then starting off the second
round, I think I saw myself.

457
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:27,640
I was t second after like twenty
two holes, twenty three holes. Cool.

458
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:30,759
So that was really cool just to
see my name on the leader board

459
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,920
and stuff like that. I mean
it's really early in the tournament, but

460
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,640
it was just still cool to see
that. And then, yeah, that

461
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,799
tournament gave me a lot of confidence. I'm like, yeah, I mean

462
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,920
I'm played in the US over and
finished thirty first, I'm on like corn

463
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,279
Ferry tour, like you know,
some people like I was on top of

464
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:51,559
the leader board one day, you
know, on Thursday, Thursday, my

465
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,839
career and it's like it's made a
career for me. Yeah, right,

466
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,880
so that's incredible. No, it
was great. And then the one thing

467
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:03,160
was that gave me a lot of
confidence. And actually I decided to move

468
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:04,559
make a change with my caddy right
after the US Open. We were kind

469
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,720
of struggling before that, but we
qualified for US Open and I'm like,

470
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Okay, we'll work through the US
Open. And then I wanted to there's

471
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,599
a week off. There's a week
after the US Open on the corn Forery.

472
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,559
Then a week off, and I
was like, I'm gonna have my

473
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,839
brother Jeremy, who was at the
time working for Ey and Accounting and tax

474
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:26,720
and accounting, I mean, loving
his life, right, but golfer.

475
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,240
He was in the he was gonna
caddy for me in Maine in the corn

476
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Free event the week after the US
Open. So I'm literally playing a tory

477
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,559
in San Diego and the next week
I'm going to Maine literally cross the country.

478
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Ye. So Jeremy's caddying for me
for the first time. I told

479
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:41,279
him, I'm like I kind of
wanted I felt like sometimes with a caddies

480
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,920
sometimes for me personally, I kind
of was relying on him too much.

481
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,960
So I really wanted just to like
have somebody carry my bag and like have

482
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,759
my brother just keep it chill,
like I mean, get yards and stuff

483
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,799
and do a little bit of stuff, but like just let me do my

484
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,559
own thing, like kind of gain
that confidence as a golfer and my decision

485
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:59,759
making and everything like that. So
he caddies for me in Maine. We

486
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:02,359
just well, I mean we've I
remember we made the call on the number

487
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,440
or had the pot on the last
hole. I think I hit it out

488
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,640
of bounds on like the second to
last hole or third the last hole on

489
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,960
par five, and I ended up
making a bogie. But then then the

490
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,200
last I'll have to make par And
Jeremy tells me this story. I have

491
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,440
like a four footer, maybe four
and a half footter or four footer.

492
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:18,599
I think I had a two putt
from like twenty feet that I had a

493
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,880
super severe downhill putt, and I
had like a four footer to make the

494
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,920
cut, and I make it.
Jeremy's thinking, like, now where we've

495
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,039
come now, He's like, dude, if you missed that putt, I

496
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,119
don't know if I'm catting for you
now or like I don't know if you're

497
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640
I mean, I'm probably still maybe
making it to the PGA Tour, but

498
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,359
he's probably not cadding for me because
this was like his trial run. So

499
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,000
we make the cut. We make
the cut on the number after Friday,

500
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:42,079
and then I shoot I think seven
or seven or eight under on Saturday with

501
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,039
him, and then the finishing I
didn't play us well Sunday but finished fifteenth.

502
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,200
So fifteenth in this first event is
a caddy. I'm like, all

503
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:51,960
right, So I'm like, let's
roll. I'm like, I'll have you.

504
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,960
Let's let's caddy for a little bit. So like so I now,

505
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:56,559
no, I got it. I
gotta pick into this one a little bit.

506
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:03,039
I'm just fascinated about the sibling thing. Are the two of you really

507
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,720
competitive when you play against each other? Yeah, well I would say we're

508
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,400
really competitive, but not to sound
mean as a big brother, but my

509
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,319
brother, they're good. Get your
job as a big brother. My brothers

510
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,359
were good at golf, but they
weren't as good as me at all.

511
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,640
Like like I always, I just
I wanted to play golf. At a

512
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,400
early age, I knew I wanted
to play college golf, like I just

513
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,720
love golf. They they loved hockey
more than more than golf, honestly,

514
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,799
Like but they are still good golfers. And that's why they played Division one

515
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,000
golf because it was a little easier
to play Division one golf golf. I

516
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,119
mean, hockey is almost as hard
as golf. It's harder, honestly,

517
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,880
the lifestyle of trying to make its
man hl because I won't go into that,

518
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,559
but it's it's really hard. But
then Jeremy he was literally he played

519
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,400
golf in college at Valparaiso, but
like he was decent. He was a

520
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,240
decent junior golfer, and like he
won his state after I graduated. He

521
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,839
won the state championship. Shot sixty
three in the first round or second round,

522
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,359
but he won the state championship.
So like uh, and then people

523
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,839
are associating him with me. And
I'm playing pretty well at Northwestern, like

524
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:06,079
a good college player, like ranked
my freshman year, my ranked one one

525
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,880
fifty then top eighty my second year, so I'm a good college player,

526
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,559
like people know of me. And
then then Valpoe is coming. He gets

527
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,160
recruited and goes to Valparaiso, which
is like an hour and a half south

528
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,279
of Chicago, pretty close to me, and he just I think my brothers

529
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:25,880
have a little performance anxiety, but
he basically just played terrible, like they're

530
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,599
probably expected him to be like in
the lineup every single time, like probably

531
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,079
a top three player on the team, and this guy's this guy's not breaking

532
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:37,160
eighty. So like I remember,
and then which is sometimes sometimes it just

533
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,480
happens. But the one thing,
he got a full righte scholarship and got

534
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,480
a good degree and everything like that. I remember, like when I was

535
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,359
still in college, I went to
watch him play. I think I just

536
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,039
turned pro. And this is because
we're two years of part in school.

537
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,640
It was like his junior year and
watching him play with individuals at Valparaiso and

538
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,960
they're playing with like, okay,
some like small D one schools that like

539
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,759
as Northwestern, we're in the Big
Ten. I'm playing with like a lot

540
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,440
of we play a pretty good schedule
or play against like Alabama, Oklahoma State,

541
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:06,720
Texas whatever. But I'm playing with
the like Valparaizo's playing in individuals with

542
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,640
like Drake Western Illinois, like some
schools I've never heard of. And it's

543
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,319
not even like the starting lineup,
the individuals, like the guys who are

544
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,039
like the seven eight guys on their
team watching And then when we're on this

545
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:21,400
par five, Jeremy he's it's like
kind of I won't say it's narrow part

546
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,519
five, but hits driver just pumps
it like seventy yards out of bounce,

547
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,480
just club drop seven yards out of
bounds. Then he reteased with a three

548
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,480
wood sixty yards out of bounds left, then he hits four arms then just

549
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:35,279
chunks it goes like one hundred and
fifty yards off the tee. I remember

550
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,359
just watching this, I'm like,
this is tough. But so then he

551
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:42,720
ends up, So of course he's
not he's not going to play professional golf.

552
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,480
But he really enjoyed his four years
at Valparaiso. Worked in accounting and

553
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,119
did majored in accounting and finance,
and then he started working for ey Or

554
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,359
Young and their text division. So
actually during COVID twenty twenty one, when

555
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
I was playing on the Cornferry.
He was able to work from home a

556
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,880
little bit, so he came to
a couple of events. Him and his

557
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,000
twin came to a couple events,
and he was working, working in the

558
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,239
office or working on his laptop at
tournaments, like when we stay together at

559
00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:10,440
Airbnb. And the funny thing,
there's a tournament in Nashville where my sister

560
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,119
went to school at Lipscomb, So
like, my family's there, my sisters

561
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,079
in school still, Jeremy's working for
he's supposed to be working and stuff like

562
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:22,440
that. But like it's like one
of the tournament days and I just remember

563
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239
waking up and like he's basically getting
yelled at by his boss, and I'm

564
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
like, this is I'm not actually
listening to. I'm like this doesn't sound

565
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,519
very good. So, like the
funny thing is that literally not shortly after

566
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:37,239
that, he tells my brother,
his twin brother, my sister and me

567
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,599
that he actually got fired from from
the Gardston Young but doesn't tell my parents

568
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,119
this at all, doesn't tell my
parents at all, so my parents don't

569
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,239
even know about it. And then
like he had some time off or he

570
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,039
had a little bit of break,
and then I was like asked that I

571
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,599
told my parents I want to ask
him to caddy for me, and he's

572
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,280
They're like, they were like a
little suspect at first because his brother brother

573
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,639
relationship and it's stuff like that.
But yeah, so he ends up catting

574
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:01,920
for me Maine and then the find
it was your It was your idea.

575
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:06,840
Did you guys discuss it was your
idea? You approached him and when he

576
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,400
so when you approached him, he
was already had been fired. You've already

577
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,159
been yeah, technically, so I
was like, I need some work.

578
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,840
It's like, you better win because
I was making decent money over there.

579
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,920
Yeah, because they they've caddied for
me before. It's Jeremy actually caddied from

580
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,400
Okay School, h School when I
first turned pro, and then him and

581
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,039
his brother have caddied for me in
like one or two coin free events here

582
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,639
or there. But I was like, all right, you're in a caddy

583
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,320
for me, let's do it.
So we finished fifteenth in Maine and then

584
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,840
we played a couple of good weeks, another couple of decent weeks, and

585
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,679
then we're in Springfield, Missouri,
middle of July, hot as hell and

586
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,199
h So at the time, Jeremy
is basically like basically just telling him to

587
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,119
carry the bag. And I'm playing
really well in Springfield, Missouri. I

588
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,079
it's a really low course. Scores
are really low there. But on Saturday,

589
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,239
I shoot nine hunder, tied for
the lead going the last round,

590
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,960
so we're tied first twenty under parts. It's kind of an easy, a

591
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,400
pure easy golf course. It's always
your fairway's good weather, soft greens,

592
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,599
pure greens. And then I remember, like on the fifteenth or sixteenth hole,

593
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,079
so I was playing really well.
I was five hundred through nine.

594
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,800
In the final round, rain delay, thunder delay, worst thing that could

595
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,679
happen. We're in middle of Missouri, two hour thunder delay where I have

596
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,719
a five hour lead. So I'm
just sitting there. But then fast forward

597
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,599
actually for a West coast kids,
thunders and lightning and yeah, all that

598
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,400
stuff. Yeah, so I'm playing
well, and then as soon as the

599
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,639
rain lay comes, I'm still playing
well. But then some guy coming out

600
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:29,000
of the rain lay that makes like
six birdies in a row. So I'm

601
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,199
like six hundred on the day at
twenty six hundred, and I only have

602
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,199
like a two shot lead right now, and I'm like, holy shit.

603
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,880
So then I'm like on this whole
fifteen, this par three, and I

604
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,480
remember like pacing the yardage and Germany's
just like standing there doing nothing, and

605
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:44,840
I'm like, dude, you gotta
do something. You got to help me

606
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,119
at least get the yardage, like
the highest pressure situation, Like you gotta

607
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,559
help me do something. You can't
like let me just just do everything.

608
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,039
So that's the story I love telling
people, Like there's a Golf Digest article

609
00:36:55,039 --> 00:37:00,239
that came out about a month ago
that did a profile on me in a

610
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,480
little bit out Jeremy, I tell
this story. I basically like, I

611
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,719
basically tell the story that Jeremy was
useless. If you read it, it's

612
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,920
like, yeah, he was useless
in the beginning because I didn't really ask

613
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,000
much of him. But now now
he's run into a high level catting and

614
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,679
we have really good chemistry now.
But that's the funny story. I remember

615
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:16,360
just I'm like, dude, you
got to help me do something. We're

616
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,119
trying to win the tournament. Here. If I win this tournament, we

617
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,280
got a tour card like this is
this is a big deal. And then

618
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,400
ended up winning the tournament. So
his fourth weekend the job win a Cornfrey

619
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,880
event we get our PJ to lock
our PGA Tour card and that's how he

620
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,880
started catting for me. And yeah, how does how does his twin brother

621
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,159
feel about the chance that he got
that that the twin got that he didn't.

622
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,320
I mean, your other brother,
is he a little bit resentful at

623
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,679
all? Or is he supportive?
No, he's super supportive. So my

624
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:52,440
other brother, my other brother misses
out a little bit because he played golf

625
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,400
at the Air Force Academy. So
he played golf at the Air Force in

626
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,480
Colorado. I mean so now,
so you have five years of active duty

627
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:04,039
after or so. He lives right
now in Boston as an acquisitions officer for

628
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,199
the Air Force, so he works
in their business business operations, and he's

629
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:12,880
like a middleman between defense contracts and
the government. So he enjoys it now.

630
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,639
But he just being in the Air
Force, you kind of miss out

631
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,159
a little bit. And like he
luckily he gets to come to a handful

632
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,880
of tournaments. But honestly, to
be honest, I told them both like

633
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,119
after Jeremy started catting for a while, so it's Jeremy and Josh. Josh

634
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:28,960
is the one that went to Air
Force. I'm like I'd rather have Jeremy

635
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,400
Caddy for me than Josh. Josh
is like the Air Force one. Josh

636
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:35,199
probably has the best swing in the
family, like he stripes it, but

637
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,880
his I'd say his golf IQ is
little not the best. Like when he

638
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,800
hits a bad shot, he's like, oh, my rhythm was off.

639
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,360
I'm like, no, your rhythm
was not. It's not that's not why

640
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,519
this thing sliced thirty yards because your
face was freaking wide open, Like you

641
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:49,280
need to understand why you hit bad
shots. So when Josh was on,

642
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,239
like and his game was on,
like he flushed it and played really well.

643
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,360
He was a good golfer at air
Force, Like he was like the

644
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,159
number two guy, like not good
enough play professional golf, but like he

645
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,440
was a good player, like a
good player that traveled every week. And

646
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:05,000
uh yeah. But the problem with
Josh. Had Josh caddy for one time

647
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
in Colorado because he's from he went
to school in Colorado. So I was

648
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,719
like, you can Cauddy in the
corn for in Colorado, And I was

649
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:16,039
like, he's just so optimistic where
it's like it's like having a good outlook

650
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:19,360
on life, but it's not the
right moment He's like when I hit I'm

651
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,960
hitting bad shots and not playing playing
well, I'm getting mad. He's like,

652
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,360
dude, it's fine. We're playing
golf like this is this is amazing,

653
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,559
this is like you're playing golf for
a living. Well, I'm like,

654
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,840
I don't need this right now.
We need to be a realistic Like

655
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,320
Jeremy will be a realistic with me. He's like, yeah, we're sucking

656
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,360
right now. We need we need
to get this together, you know.

657
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,920
So that's why I was like,
jo Josh, this is no, this

658
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,760
isn't this is not going to work
out. So I mean, I definitely

659
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,760
picked the right brother to caddy for
me. But he he misses out a

660
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
little bit, but he's able to
watch a handful of tournament so he like

661
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,760
he came to the Players Championship this
past year. He comes to like five

662
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,000
or six tournaments, so he misses
out, but no, all of us,

663
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,840
it's for me. It's I love
to have my family out there.

664
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,920
It's really cool. It's like my
dad and my brother out there. Yeah,

665
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,880
that's really cool. The brother partnerships
on towards me, my brother Harry

666
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Higgs and his brother Al and then
before it was DJ and DJ and his

667
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,519
brother Austin, So I mean,
like the brother commos are actually pretty good,

668
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:14,559
so hopefully that's something for the future. But yeah, that's a fun

669
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,599
holp. You got started. My
brother and I awesome. All right,

670
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:20,760
We're going to take one last break
and then I want to talk to you

671
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,760
about your team now that you're on
the pro circuit and how you're doing this,

672
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,559
So we'll do that after this.
This week on Golf Smarter, Mulligan's

673
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:36,000
is an insightful conversation with Martin Chuck, high profile golf instructor and incredibly successful

674
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:40,440
creator of training aids who just loves
to teach golf from rank beginners to the

675
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:45,199
highest levels of the professional game.
In this episode, called the Ultimate Golf

676
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,719
Nerd, among other topics, Martin
talks about how increasing your distance is more

677
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,840
than just increasing your swing speed.
The average LPGAH where player swings at about

678
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,039
eighty eight miles an hour. There's
a lot of you out there that can

679
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,519
swing at one hundred miles an hour
or one hundred and two miles an hour,

680
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,679
or some of you that can swing
at one hundred and ten miles an

681
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,039
hour, and that's really fast.
But the average LPGA tour player. If

682
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:13,079
I put them on the tee with
average club golfer, guy who swings at

683
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,079
the same speed LPGA tour player is
going to hit it way farther than you.

684
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,639
Well wait, why If you're both
swinging eighty eight miles an hour,

685
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,199
you have to have the right launch
conditions to maximize on that strike and clump

686
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,519
golfer out there doesn't. The average
LPGA tour player does because they've got the

687
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:35,559
club face path relationship that gives them
optimized distant for that face and path,

688
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,199
club golfer has some kind of a
white being glancing blow that takes away the

689
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,480
compression. Originally published in May of
twenty twelve as Golf Smarter Episode number three

690
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:50,480
hundred and thirty three, it's episode
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691
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:55,280
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692
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693
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:07,480
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694
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695
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:20,039
How many PGA Tour events have you
now played in? Yeah, so I

696
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,559
just finished my second season on tour. I think I've played sixty tour events

697
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:29,440
now. And how many cuts have
you made? I think thirty, thirty

698
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,880
three or thirty four? Wow,
so better than half. That's great.

699
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,320
And you're earning a living, thank
goodness. Yep, yes, as is

700
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,599
your brother. Yeah, exactly.
My parents are happy keeping the money in

701
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:47,480
the family. Right there you go, And I'm curious, what does that

702
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:52,400
now that you're doing this, you're
all invested in and you're making money at

703
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,079
it. You have to build a
team, you were saying before you're all

704
00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:00,039
on your own, but now you
have the ability to create a team for

705
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:07,119
yourself. And you mentioned sports psychologist. What what is your team consists of?

706
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:09,400
Yeah? Family, sure, yeah, I mean, of course I

707
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960
have my wife first and outside the
family like my brother. But you have

708
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,000
Caddie. Of course, my caddy
who's family. But I have a trainer

709
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:21,159
that I work with all the time. I live in Scott Sale, Arizona.

710
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,360
I probably see him when I'm home
basically every day. I think most

711
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,239
people have a trainer. I have
a sports psychologist. I have my swing

712
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,400
coach, Pat swing coach, an
instructor of Pat, my Northwestern coach.

713
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
So the one thing with him is
like he does everything for me. So

714
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:43,079
we do swing, a little wedge
game, putting, driving, literally everything

715
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,280
versus like a lot of players have
a coach for each different thing, Like

716
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,079
somebody does work then they have a
putting coach and everything like that. But

717
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,639
luckily Pat does everything for me,
which is I think is perfect. And

718
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:57,039
then yeah, so I have kind
of basically the Ya my trainer, my

719
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,079
sports psychologists to help work on my
mental game, trainer helping me focus on

720
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:05,760
my fitness just because I'm traveling all
year round golfs, Like a lot of

721
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,119
golf specific workouts are very different than
normal workouts. You're just the so much

722
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:13,320
rotation and like mobility in golf,
so you got to like you're training a

723
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,280
lot of different muscles and you're doing
a lot of golf specific workouts. Like

724
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:21,199
if I had to tell people,
like if I had to spend thirty minutes

725
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,800
before playing around the golf just for
fun on the range with no warm up

726
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:28,480
and no warm up physically at all, or spend thirty minutes in the workout

727
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:32,039
trailer or working out beforehand, I'd
rather it's fifty to fifty for me.

728
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:37,639
That's how like how important is like
say foam rolling and just warming up and

729
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:42,519
doing my my stretches and activation stuff. Is I feel so good when I

730
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,079
come out of it and then go
to go to the range and about to

731
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,440
worm up, like I'm ready to
go, versus like, you know it's

732
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,960
cold outside, you just show up
to the range for the first time,

733
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:54,360
you're you're stiff and stuff like that. So like that's about fifty fifty.

734
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,440
That's just it's like nowadays, I
can't really imagine going to just to the

735
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,639
first tea without doing something at least
warming up stretches, stretches wise, like

736
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:07,920
I travel with bands and stuff like
that, just doing a lot of anything

737
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,360
to activate my glutes, my hips
and all that stuff. So that stuff

738
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,840
just becomes second nature now. And
it's wow. Having my I mean,

739
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,480
my team is so so important.
Like the success you have means nothing without

740
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,119
the team you have. And I
think that's the one thing that I've always

741
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:27,239
been a firm believer. And it's
like, of course my trajectory of my

742
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,719
career has been going up and up, but it's the people that have been

743
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,199
with me for when I was nothing
when I was like when I met at

744
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,079
zero dollars in my professional career,
and or people that were supporting me when

745
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,159
I was when I was a kid
back in organ like family and stuff like

746
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:44,239
that. But yeah, I mean
there's so many things that go into golf,

747
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480
into professional golf that's not just the
golf. Sometimes the golf is part,

748
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:52,719
like the fitness nutrition, Like luckily
with my trainer, Like that's it's

749
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,840
such a great thing to have a
trainer and one of my other sponsors,

750
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,440
my Fitness Pal, like there with
like one of the the best, like

751
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,800
diet and app to really figure out
what's going into your body and making sure

752
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,360
you're properly and eating the right food
to help you succeed or help me succeed

753
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,199
on the golf course. So like
having that combination of like doing stuff to

754
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,360
take care of my body and my
health, it's just so important because like

755
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,400
for golf, you can play for
a long time, Like I hope to

756
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,760
play for twenty thirty years on the
PGA Tour, but like I'm twenty seven,

757
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,360
Like wells out there's a couple PGA
Tour players that are playing this week,

758
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,519
like Tiger, But there's so many
injuries they have, Like if I

759
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:30,280
can go my entire career without any
injuries, eat healthy. I mean I

760
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,079
love food. I mean trust me, I don't eat health like super clean.

761
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,440
I mean, if I was super
clean, I'd probably be the fittest

762
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,320
person in the world. But I
when I'm on the road and competing and

763
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,119
playing, like I try to take
care of my body, eat clean,

764
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,800
eat well on the golf course,
Like I try to tell people like amateurs,

765
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,320
like what's some things you should do, Like you should just you should

766
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,639
snack every like five or six holes. You should eat some food. I

767
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:53,719
mean, of course, everybody's gonna
drink some alcohol or drink drink beer with

768
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,639
their with their friends when they're playing, but like honestly, fueling during a

769
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,360
round, it helps you sustain the
energy. That's why, like some people,

770
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,119
like when I play with people,
they get pretty tired, Like when

771
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,480
you get to the fourteenth hole,
like we're just waiting until we're done.

772
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,440
It's like maybe you should have have
some nuts or a snack. So like

773
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,239
there's so much different things that go
into it. That's where like one of

774
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,039
my sponsors, my Fitness Pal,
comes in. They like for me as

775
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:16,000
a yeah, I was going to
ask you about that. What is my

776
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,400
my fitness Pal? Is that what
it is? Yeah? Okay, so

777
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:25,920
tell me how that helps keep your
nutrition and keeps you alert during a round.

778
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:29,000
I mean, is that what that's
for? Yeah, I don't use

779
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:30,079
it, I mean can't. I
don't use it during the round because I'd

780
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:35,280
use my phone. But like when
I'm off the course training, like just

781
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:39,440
log I just it's basically it's an
app that you can log and easily log

782
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,360
in all your foods. You can
track your macros, track what you're putting

783
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,559
in your body, count your calories, and you can include all exers,

784
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:52,320
your exercises, anything fitness, basically
anything fitness, food and health related all

785
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,599
in one app and makes it easy. You can go to the Grocery Score

786
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:58,559
and when I'm traveling and go to
Grocertriores every week, go to Whole Foods

787
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,079
or Trader Joe's or a Safe Way, whatever I'm I scan, I'll you

788
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,920
can easily just scan the app and
like it'll tell you if it's good or

789
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,400
not, and it can go easily
and put it into the into the app.

790
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,280
So it's really easy for me.
It's really when I'm traveling and playing

791
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,559
and walking all the time, Like
it's easy to lose weight on the road,

792
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:15,480
so you just got to make sure
you're eating a lot of protein.

793
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,559
So like some of the snacks I
eat on the road, like in the

794
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,079
middle of around I travel, I
eat nuts, like really healthy bars,

795
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:28,519
beef jerky, almond butter, love
Justin's almond butter. Sometimes like it's hot

796
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,719
and sweaty and like you'll want to
like touch something with your hands because you

797
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,440
want it to get sticky and orything. Basically it's like and then sometimes I

798
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,400
even eat like like cyclists have like
those jellies, those those gels that like

799
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:44,199
just get them at to the end
of the race, like all your times.

800
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,800
I remember like in Spring film Missouri, when I won like the last

801
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:50,039
five holes, my wife was watching
and gave me and I'm like, all

802
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,480
right, we just it doesn't taste
good at all, but like let's let's

803
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,079
give myself some energy. But that
combined like using just making sure I know

804
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,440
what's going in my body, plus
training my body with my trainer and taking

805
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,159
care of it when I'm playing and
traveling. Basically, forty weeks of the

806
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,880
fifty two weeks in a year is
just very important to not only success now

807
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,920
but also success long term and making
sure I can do this is your Does

808
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:21,119
your trainer also act as a nutritionist
for you? Kind of kind of a

809
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:25,880
little bit, But it's more me
just doing the doing the research. There's

810
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,159
a lot of stuff. I can
just look on my fitness Pal and just

811
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,559
there's a lot of research and nutrition
and I can talk to somebody who worked

812
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,800
fess Pell easily. I probably my
trainer. I would say it's an app.

813
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,280
It's a nap. Yeah, it's
like the number one diet tracking app

814
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:44,840
in the country, and it's people
joke with me. The logo kind of

815
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,000
looks like the Jordan logo. Like
people it's it's like a ballerina, but

816
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,639
people think, oh, is that
the Jordan logan? Far away I'm like,

817
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,960
no, not the joke man logo. But no, they're great.

818
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,199
So I think I think just any
sport, I mean an if you're doing

819
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,599
any activity like health and nutrition just
so important, like it just helps you.

820
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,000
Then then I know if I play
bad, it's not because of anything

821
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:13,159
I'm doing fitness wise or health wise
that's preventing me from performing my best.

822
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:17,360
And I think that's who's your sports
psychologists. My sports psychologist is a guy

823
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,840
named fran Pirozzolo. He lives in
Houston, Texas. He worked for the

824
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,880
New York Yankees when they won two
pennants and then he works with the Texans.

825
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,679
Worked a little bit with the Astros, but he works with Bernhard Longer

826
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:35,159
on the Champion Store. But he's
he's been a great I met him when

827
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,320
I was at Northwestern. Northwestern was
with Pat was smart enough to hire a

828
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,960
sports psychologist to come meet the players
and the help work because it's so important,

829
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,639
like the cliches of like people saying
like stay in the moment, like

830
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,960
one shot at a time, focus
on the process, like all athletes,

831
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,679
whether you're like Steph Curry, you're
Tiger, you're any NFL. But like

832
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,599
you're like the zone is a real
thing, like you just we talk about

833
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,199
that a lot on this show.
Actually, I would love to get Frank

834
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:07,119
on the show. Yeah, so
an introduction would be awesome. We have

835
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:08,639
to cut this off pretty soon.
I know that you have to go,

836
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:13,320
So let me ask you one quick
question. Let's just say you're teeing off

837
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,719
at eleven thirty. What is your
schedule up to that point? Okay,

838
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,360
so if I'm eleven thirty, say
it's a practice round. That's easy,

839
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,039
so I'm practice. Yeah, I'll
probably okay, wake up whatever whatever a

840
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,639
time, but I'm going to get
to the golf course probably like eight thirty.

841
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,880
I'll spend probably eat fifteen minutes breakfast, Like at breakfast I'm at turnam.

842
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,119
It's pretty healthy, like scrambled eggs, some protein, maybe some bacon,

843
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:38,960
veg veggies, and some fruit usually
like an omelet. But it's really

844
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:44,679
simple and maybe like a really healthy
smoothie. Luckily the tour we have usually

845
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,000
good food. I wouldn't run on
the road. But then yeah, I

846
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,960
get there, it's done at eight
thirty. I'll go in the trailer,

847
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:53,360
probably the workout trailer for thirty minutes, so like eight forty five and nine

848
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,760
to fifteen. Then if something is
like I say, I've been playing a

849
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,559
lot of weeks in a row,
so I want to stop by the PT

850
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,840
trailer and like make sure my body
taking care of like anything like kinks in

851
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,840
my neck or if anything is bothering
me. Maybe you spend fifteen twenty minutes

852
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,960
in there, and then getting to
the start on the putting green, probably

853
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:12,039
like nine to forty five, So
like there's almost like an hour to hour

854
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,800
and a half of me doing stuff
before I actually get to the practice area,

855
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:17,079
doing a bunch of different stuff.
I'm like, am I doing drills?

856
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,719
I'm doing putting drills, like speed
drills. Like my number one advice,

857
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,400
there's a couple of advice. I
play in pro ams every week with

858
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,440
amateurs. I play with a lot
of buddies and members and normal people.

859
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,519
Like the biggest thing is like people
don't definitely don't spend enough time putting and

860
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,679
spending time on lag putting. Like
when you think about golf, like you

861
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,000
say, you there's seven you shoot
even par right seventy two, Like half

862
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,639
your shots a lot of time you
hit every fair way in every green,

863
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,280
and then you two put every single
time half your shots is putting, like

864
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,000
you're gonna put more than every other
shot. So the one advice I tell

865
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:50,119
to tell people too is like lag
putting. But also when you're on the

866
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,239
range, and usually guys are playing
guys and girls are playing the same men

867
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,159
and women are playing the same course
their their home club every single week,

868
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,920
like once or twice a week.
Right, It's like, if you're on

869
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,239
the range, how about you hit
the hit the clubs you're actually gonna hit

870
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,159
in the golf course, like everydy
loves hitting like a five iron or whatever

871
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,559
or whatever like that, but like
you're gonna hit your driver the most of

872
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:08,599
the time, and you're gonna hit
a lot of wedges. You're in a

873
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,159
chip and like just like basically like
prepare like how you're gonna play on the

874
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,360
course. That's how that's how you're
gonna shoot lower scores. I mean,

875
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,079
it sounds pretty simple, but it's
like I mean I love hitting, like

876
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:22,400
I'll beat balls and hit like a
six iron five iron just make myself feel

877
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,079
good. But I'm like, am
I even gonna hit this on the golf

878
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:25,960
course. I'm not gonna hit them
on the golf course? What am I

879
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,800
doing? Like, it's what shot? I'm not gonna use it? What's

880
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,199
the point versus like I'm gonna hit
twelve thirteen drivers today, I'm gonna be

881
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,639
chipping and it's a bunker shot.
So like just like play practice how you

882
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,199
play, and it just makes it
simple so you don't need to spend that

883
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,159
much time. But yeah, there's
a lot that goes into it. Like

884
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:46,840
I don't show up anymore even at
home and I'm practicing and having a round

885
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,239
with buddies. Like it's rare,
like if I tea time at eleven thirty

886
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,000
that I roll up at eleven twenty
five doing nothing. If I do roll

887
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,440
up eleven twenty five, it's I'm
probably working working out with my trainer and

888
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,760
I'm feeling pretty loose, and I'm
like, yeah, so it's all right,

889
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:01,320
Well, listen, we do have
to go. I'm sorry that we

890
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,320
have to cut this short, but
it's your schedule. And I really really

891
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:12,119
appreciate you spending the time with us. I learned a ton and the whole

892
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,559
Golf Smarter community is going to be
rooting for you now, so you got

893
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,480
more family on your side of the
game. So thanks so much for being

894
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,400
here. No, thank you,
I appreciate it. I don't know what

895
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:30,559
is it about golf that becomes an
obsession. Is because the game is so

896
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,360
hard and can never be mastered.
Is knowing that we can be better than

897
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,039
we were in our latest round the
driving Force for Improvement. I think it

898
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:45,760
was Joe Hallett who recently said on
the show that golf's a simple game that's

899
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,400
really hard to play regularly. In
this segment. After the interview, I

900
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,519
report to you on how my game
is going and the successes and failures I've

901
00:54:54,559 --> 00:55:00,119
lived through over the previous week.
Luckily, I live in a climate it

902
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:04,320
allows me to play twelve months a
year. There's no question this privilege is

903
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,199
something I do not take for granted. At the end of the twenty twenty

904
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:15,199
two season, though, my index
was down to just under six, and

905
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,480
I wasn't just playing the best golf
of my life, but was playing with

906
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:22,559
the highest level of confidence I'd ever
experienced. But as I closed twenty twenty

907
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:27,719
three, I feel like I played
a lot less than the year before,

908
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,000
even though with just a few weeks
ago, I've only played a couple of

909
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:35,760
rounds less than twenty twenty two,
and my index is now back around a

910
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,719
ten. Am I whining. Yeah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't be,

911
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,679
but you know, when you have
that much of a difference, it gets

912
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:51,320
in your head. Now, all
this is despite the fact that my average

913
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:57,119
eighteen hole score is just one point
one strokes higher than the previous year,

914
00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:01,920
but my index went up five points. So why then am I so full

915
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:07,400
of doubt and frustration? I really
think it's my putting that still has me

916
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,119
whining. Well, in a couple
of weeks, we're gonna be visited once

917
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:15,440
again by Sam Hahn, CEO of
Lab Golf. If you followed the PGA

918
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:22,119
Tour in twenty twenty three, you've
heard great stories around players like Adam Scott

919
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:28,159
and Lucas Glover who transformed their games
by using a lab Golf putter. It

920
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,559
was just reported that will Zla Taurus
is now returning to the tour after rehab

921
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:37,440
from surgery and now also carries a
lab Golf putter in his bag. Now,

922
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:43,280
the interview with Sam was conducted last
week, but because we get an

923
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:50,599
exclusive from Sam about a new product
that's about to hit the market, I'm

924
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,559
required to keep the show under wraps
for a couple more weeks until that product

925
00:56:54,679 --> 00:57:00,559
is available to everybody, So please
stay tuned for that time. During this

926
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:05,480
holiday buying time of year, I'm
going to focus on some products that I

927
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:09,000
believe can help make a difference.
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928
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Ambassador, John Doveson of Wolke Iowa. I hope by pronouncing Welke Iowa,

929
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:19,800
well, I know I got Iowa
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930
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,199
because all he did was record this
week's show opening. John is receiving

931
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:29,480
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942
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