WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:39.119 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, Hi, 2 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:44.439 how you doing. Welcome to Destiny. We've talked a lot about the 3 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:52.799 different healing techniques that are available. We've mentioned that there are allopathic healing techniques. 4 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:59.399 I'm not a big fan of that form of healing simply because it doesn't 5 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:07.159 recognize the energy bodies, the chakra systems, the auras, the systems that 6 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:15.920 are designed not necessarily to be seen, but to use as a healing modality 7 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:25.400 when somebody has physical, mental, and spiritual issues illnesses. And the ancient 8 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.959 cultures, the native, the indigenous cultures have known about this, the Hindus, 9 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:36.359 the Chinese. When I go to my acupuncturists, I will get I 10 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.000 call it a tune up. Unless I have a problem that I'm dealing with, 11 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:45.079 like illness, I'll get a tune up and the needles will be placed 12 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:53.239 in various parts of my body which are contacting meridians, which are energy centers. 13 00:01:53.519 --> 00:02:00.480 Western medicine doesn't even recognize this. Chinese acupuncture has been around five thousand 14 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:07.120 plus years, and yet our own allopathic systems just say, hey, we 15 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:13.639 don't, we don't believe in this. It's crazy. And it's sad at 16 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:21.400 the same time. And when we have a classically trained physician that crosses the 17 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:30.240 border and begins looking at indigenous healing techniques are shamanistic techniques, it's rare. 18 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:36.360 It's exactly, it's extremely rare. And when they write about their experience, 19 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:44.520 that's even more unique and something to take a look at. Our guests today 20 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:53.680 is a medical doctor and she has been classically trained as an allopath but pursued 21 00:02:53.319 --> 00:03:04.919 shamanistic training and uses both modalities in her practice. This is a unique individual 22 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:14.360 who actually has written a book and this is the basis of our program today. 23 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:21.639 Now, when we look at at the healing of the body or maintaining 24 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.879 wellness, you can't look at it as just a disease process. And this 25 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:31.159 is the real problem I have with allopathic medicine is that that's not looked at 26 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:38.360 as a health system. It's looked at and I mean, it's wonderful that 27 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:47.280 they have these these technologies for scanning the body, for X raying the body. 28 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:52.439 When there's a problem, when you have a traumatic illness or a traumatic 29 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:57.240 injury, that's where you go, you go to the alopath. But when 30 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:04.080 you have subtle issues and and imbalances in the body. It can be a 31 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:08.719 problem. Allopathy can be a problem, and we're going to learn about this 32 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:14.759 today in our program. Again, we are not just the physical body, 33 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:26.079 we are energetic fields. When you use Krillian photography, you can actually see 34 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:32.399 little energy fields around your fingers, around your arms. When we use Krillian 35 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:39.759 photography and we expand it beyond the fingers, you can actually see the uric 36 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:45.959 field of the body. And Krillian photography has been around for a while now, 37 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.920 but it still has not been analyzed to the level that needs to be. 38 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:55.040 And this is the future of healing. This is the future of medicine 39 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:01.240 when you begin to take on and look at the energy systems of the body 40 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:10.720 as it relates to the physical body and the other areas of the emotions and 41 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:18.680 the spiritual bodies too. So today's program is maximize your healing power shamanic healing 42 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:26.800 techniques to overcome your health challenges. And my guest is doctor Sharon Martin. 43 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.519 We've got to program today. Of course, we always have a good program 44 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:09.920 on destiny. I tell you we've had different aspects of healing over the years, 45 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:15.680 and we've had shaman we've had mds that are kind of developed their own 46 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:21.519 program. Today is unique in that we have a physician, a medical doctor 47 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:27.879 who not only is classically trained and went to John Hopkins. Wow, that 48 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:33.759 is a big brand right there, and got her medical degree, but also 49 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:43.360 decided to pursue a shamanistic approach to her healing. And she has released a 50 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.920 new book. And by the way, today the book is released officially. 51 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:50.560 If you go to Amazon or any of your bookstores, look for a book 52 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:59.560 called Maximize Your Healing Power Shamanistic Healing Techniques to Overcome your Health Challenges. What 53 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:04.000 a great title. And my guest today is doctor Sharon Martin, and she, 54 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:08.560 I mean, I've read most of this book. Is a wonderful look 55 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:14.399 at not only her own personal journey, but the techniques that she's come across 56 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.480 as an alepathic healer, the great problems, and she has a whole chapter. 57 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:23.879 I really advise you to get this book because if you are dealing and 58 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:28.120 I'm here in California with the Kaiser program Kaiser Permanentity, if you're dealing with 59 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:32.720 a health crisis or you want to go to your doctor, read this chapter 60 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:39.519 one. The school, the schooling that she went through because you'll understand how 61 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:45.040 your doctor is educated, what the pluses and minuses are, and you can 62 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:49.680 work with them because you know, look, I'm not a big proponent of 63 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:55.199 allopathy because there's so many problems, there's so many disconnects, but it's what 64 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.920 we have to work with right now, and so look at it. Check 65 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.279 it out, look at this book, and work with it. So, 66 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.720 hey, Sharon, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you with us. 67 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.480 Thanks Cliff, thank you so much. All right, first off, why 68 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:18.680 did you write this book? Because my god, you have so much in 69 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:26.000 there on your own transformation as a young and an upcoming person not knowing what 70 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:31.600 to do and thinking, here's your psychiatrist. Okay, Sharon, you're gonna 71 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.919 be a doctor. I want you to be a doctor, which is a 72 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.600 shock you even write about this, The fact that we were shock a shock 73 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:45.440 to hear him say that, So talk a little bit shocked. So my 74 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:50.080 journey has been a it's been a sort of long, convoluted one. I've 75 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.559 punched a lot of academic tickets. Yeah, I'm a good a I've always 76 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:03.120 been a good student. So first I was a PhD. Then I was 77 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:09.919 on faculty at Emory and I was teaching medical students and then struggled with having 78 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:16.759 a breakup and was seeing a psychiatrist who never ever said anything to me. 79 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.480 He just sat there and you know, I could see the wheels of his 80 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.679 brain durning. But he never said he never told me what to do, 81 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:30.440 He never gave me advice. And I was grumbling one day that being an 82 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:37.679 academic researcher and having to get grants, and your grant has to be considered 83 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.799 meritorious. That was thirty percent of them. Then you know, maybe six 84 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.519 percent got funded. And I thought, that's a lousy way to live, 85 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:52.039 is to chase that grant money. Didn't feel good anymore. And I was 86 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.320 grumbling to him and I don't know about this an ah blah blah blah blah. 87 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.200 And he said, and he take it for me. He never ever 88 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:07.600 ever said anything, never directed me, never told me how to interpret my 89 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.320 therapy at all. And he said to me, I want you to apply 90 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.559 to medical school. I almost fell off the chair. I was like, 91 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.480 I won't say his name. I think he's passed on now, but I 92 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.120 said doctor X. I looked at him. I thought he just told me. 93 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.039 He just told me what he wanted me to do I better pay attention 94 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.639 because he never says this, and all of a sudden I thought, well, 95 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:39.279 if he thinks I can do it, I bet I can do it. 96 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.120 So I applied and I got in. It happened to be a year 97 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:52.000 when the director of admissions was taking intentionally fifty percent women and intentionally taking people 98 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:58.200 who had other life experience, so not the straight premed you know, twenty 99 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.159 four year olds. Why did you pick John Hopkins, a real tough, 100 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:09.519 tough med school to get into to begin with? And also, you know, 101 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:15.559 one of those top research institutes as well, I guess because all of 102 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:22.360 my academics were about achieving the highest so to me, that was like a 103 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:28.240 big ticket to punch. Yeah, and so I think I was naive. 104 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.639 I think I was actually clueless. It was also in Maryland, and I 105 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.799 was from Maryland, so I had always had this vision of wanting to be 106 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:43.840 around Amish country and those rolling hills, and so it's sort of fit. 107 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:48.399 It ended up fitting for reasons that weren't in my brain at that time. 108 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.000 But you know, so I applied and I got in. Of course, 109 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:56.759 the dean of admissions was taking intentionally taking people I was the oldest one in 110 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:05.679 my class at the age of thirty eight, and so she did not accept 111 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:18.639 a you know, cookie cutter class. We had writers and musicians and playwrights 112 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:26.799 and so very broad people would already experienced life previously, which was a unique 113 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:33.399 way to take which was really cool, but definitely not cookie cutter. You 114 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:39.840 talk in the beginning about your father encouraging you and so forth and so on. 115 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:46.919 But did you get a scholarship because it's very expensive medical schools, just 116 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:52.399 you know, horribly expensive. I think I got three quarters of the tuition 117 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:58.279 was scholarship, Okay, but I still left there with over two hundred thousand 118 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.200 dollars a debt. Oh my guy, So you you did the full ride 119 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:07.159 for four years or did you stay and do additional specialty work? No? 120 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:13.399 From there, I went to a residency and internal medicine in York, Pennsylvania. 121 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.360 Okay, two hundred grand. It's so funny. I remember my cousin 122 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.240 when he got out of a mid school, he had one hundred and this 123 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.919 is a years ago. He's retired since he had one hundred and sixty thousand 124 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:37.399 dollar bill that he ended up working with the government, and here in northern 125 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.840 California Native American reservations. He worked for reservations to pay it off. Wasn't 126 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.879 what he really wanted to do, but he ended up doing it. So 127 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:52.559 the price that the money involved is out it's outrageous. Yeah, it's so 128 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:58.519 I was. I moved to a rural areaft for residency anyway, and then 129 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:05.360 open the clinic in a really underserved area. So that got me sixty thousand 130 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:11.759 dollars of payback of you know, so I was able to cut sixty grand 131 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.879 off of that bill. That's by working in an underserved, very very rural. 132 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.240 I mean the county I live in has fourteen thousand people. That tells 133 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.200 you, I mean you live in the San Francisco area. That's what's a 134 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.240 world of difference. Yeah, we're in the millions. In the beginning of 135 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:35.039 your book, you describe how you were kind of a free spirit in terms 136 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:41.440 of interests, and you were interested in people like Andrew Casey and psychic awareness 137 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:50.279 and things like that as you were learning to become an allopathic doctor. Did 138 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:56.799 you obviously, and we're gonna talk about your shamanistic your shamanism approach, were 139 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:03.080 you uncomfortable with this healing modality that you were being taught. Did you feel 140 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.639 out of place or just kind of forced it through. I think before we 141 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.879 started, I mentioned that one of the things that my cousin had real problems 142 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.360 with it was pharmacology, which is a huge part of medical training. You 143 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.200 know, how drugs interact with each other, how drugs are used for various 144 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:26.360 healing, which isn't not really necessarily a healing, but it's a way to 145 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.159 work. But what were some of your issues. Well, I think a 146 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:39.919 couple of the issues were probably inherent to the institution. There was very much 147 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:52.919 a hierarchy of very snobbery, a just a one upsmanship that when you've been 148 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.720 out in the world and I had already been faculty at every university, I 149 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.639 didn't need in a group. You know, we're in a group and I'm 150 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:07.200 a medical student, so I'm low on the totem pole and the head guy 151 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.559 asks a question of the team, and nobody knows the answer, but I 152 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.360 do. We didn't like it. He didn't like it because it showed up 153 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:18.440 the residents or the step above me. Well, that doesn't sit well with 154 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:23.600 me. So that kind of hierarchy that comes from being one of the top 155 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:30.480 ivy league in this one upsmanship to me was just bs and it didn't do 156 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:36.440 me well because I, you know, usually being an a student, I 157 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.320 got a D in this one guy's class because he didn't like the fact that 158 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:47.440 I spoke up and talked back. And you know, when you're already have 159 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:52.559 a PhD and you already know your biochemistry so you can understand the pharmacology and 160 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:57.080 you have things to say, you don't expect to be put down for having 161 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.679 those thoughts. But anyway, didn't read the room right. I should have 162 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.160 just been quiet, but I'm not a quiet type. The other thing is 163 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:17.599 we talked down to the patients. We talked about them in front of them 164 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:19.720 in ways that if I had been laying in the bed listening, I would 165 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:27.759 have been petrified. But again, the average medical student doesn't have that kind 166 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:34.240 of social awareness yet to have that empathy, so they just go along with 167 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.480 thinking it's okay. Well it's not okay. We stood in front of this 168 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:44.400 elderly woman's bed and talked about her risk of dying from her abnormal heart rhythm. 169 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.480 Well, okay, those are facts and those are important for the team 170 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:52.680 to know. But they could have at least said missus so and so I'm 171 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.359 going to talk facts about this disease to the team, and if you have 172 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.880 any questions, you know, you can ask us after. We're just talking 173 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.319 about this disease in general. So please don't be scared. Yeah, you 174 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.079 write about that in the book. It's almost like it's like third person. 175 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:15.519 You're like you're talking to an inanimate object. It was so gross, it 176 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:19.000 was so gross. You must have felt very uncomfortable effect. You write about 177 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:26.160 feeling just completely out of place, completely out of place. Yeah, yeah, 178 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:27.759 well, you know, I just remember I didn't write about this. 179 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:32.680 I remember one day, I'm going down the hall and he's dead now, 180 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:34.519 so I think it's okay to say. Um, I go down the hall 181 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:40.039 and they're in a wheelchair being wheeled passed me as David Crosby. Well, 182 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:41.920 I knew who he was. I was old enough to know who he was, 183 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:47.200 you know, child of the seventies. So I followed down to his 184 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.680 room, oh my head, and his wife says it's okay to and I 185 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:55.640 just said, I'm not going enough on your team, but I wanted to 186 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:59.680 say thank you for the music. And he smiled and he said you're very 187 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:00.799 welcome, and I left it. As I'm walking out of the room, 188 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:06.160 one of the professors, his doctor comes in glared at me. Who was 189 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:11.480 I to step into the room? Who was I to think that I should 190 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.680 be able? But even his wife even said come on in anyway, I 191 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.039 thought, you know, you guys are so full of yourselves that you've forgotten 192 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:23.440 how to be human. Yeah. I don't want to be too hard on 193 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:30.640 allopathy because I beat it up up and on and but when you need it, 194 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.839 when you need it, you can't beat it. Well, does you 195 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:40.559 need a knee replacement, you can't beat you be kind of selling first. 196 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.680 A strep throat you can't beat it. Yeah, if you've got a brain 197 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:48.000 tumor or a lung cancer and you need immuno therapy, you can't beat it. 198 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:56.319 Right, You know, it has its healing abilities. It's like a 199 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:03.319 sledgehammer a lot of times. At times it is. Yeah, but here 200 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:10.359 you are, you graduate. But you must have felt something was missing when 201 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.240 you got out of school. Yeah, I did. I felt that a 202 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:17.759 lot. I was petrified when I got out of residency and I went to 203 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:22.240 rural and there I am all alone. Everybody else was going places that they're 204 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.519 going to have other faculty there, people to talk to all the time. 205 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:32.200 I had cultivated a few people that I trusted that I could call when I 206 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:38.960 was petrified, Yeah, to help me work it through that. Can't find 207 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:47.680 that the relationships with me and the patients were so much stronger when it was 208 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:52.839 just me and them and not a big, big medical center, a big 209 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.759 clinic with multiple doctors. And so I think I really loved that. When 210 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.039 I reflect on, I think that was really wonderful. Would you say that, 211 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.240 you know you're trained to get a history for every patient, would you 212 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.160 say that you would go a little bit beyond that and get to know the 213 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:18.480 person's personality and maybe spend a little more time than you were advised to take. 214 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.039 I think I did it because that's what made it fun, when you 215 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:30.079 have your heart connections, because otherwise it's dry and even though you could be 216 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:37.519 scientifically correct, it's boring. Yeah, I mean I want those heart connections. 217 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.599 Yeah, exactly. All right, let's talk about becoming a shaman. 218 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:48.680 When did you decide that you wanted to supplement your training? And I mean, 219 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.480 this is a big step. You're talking about the other end of the 220 00:21:52.519 --> 00:22:00.519 healing spectrum. Allopathics don't look at shamanism of anything but woo, And you 221 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:06.839 use the term in your book woo woo, you know, a meditation healing 222 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:11.799 techniques. I mean, obviously you could not have done this in the corporate 223 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:18.039 medical setting, you would have been immediately booted. But what was your motivation 224 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.160 to do this shaman work? Well, I think the first most striking one 225 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.720 is the one I write about in the first chapter is a young man coming 226 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:37.519 in who was psychic, had paranormal sensory perception and was freaked out by it 227 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:44.039 and thinking he was crazy, and me telling him, I don't think you're 228 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:51.599 crazy, I think you have incredible psychic abilities. And that moment I knew 229 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:57.839 that my traditional medicine, my mainstream medicine training, would have been harmful to 230 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:04.240 him, that I would not promote health or healing to him, and that 231 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:12.839 I was on a search for healing, not necessarily fixing blood sugars, blood 232 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:18.880 cholesterol, things like that. And I was reading and shortly after I got 233 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:26.039 Alberto Violdo's book He Shaman, Healer and Sage, and I just felt this 234 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:33.559 tug to an indigenous practice. I felt this tug to go back to the 235 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:38.599 source, go back to the way the ancient healers did, and I thought 236 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.200 I need to learn some of that. And it turned out that he that 237 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:48.079 Alberto taught what the Peruvian medicine men and women knows about a light body and 238 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:55.079 energy body. I never heard of that, right, But in those exercises 239 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:57.960 that we did, I took. I did the courses over a two year 240 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:07.039 period, and in those experiential workshops in our one week retreat, the things 241 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:14.200 that we accomplished. I'll tell you a story we're told to take. We 242 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:18.880 were all told to bring three stones with us, and we're told to sit 243 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:25.440 down with a partner from class and using your stone, tell them what you 244 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:30.160 saw about them, in other words, into it, feel their energy. 245 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:37.119 Whatever it is that came up. And I sat down with a woman I'd 246 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:38.920 never worked with in class. I didn't know her at all, and I 247 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:41.960 picked up one of my stones and I thought, I can't do this. 248 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:48.839 I'm making this stuff up. But the heck I must be tripping. But 249 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.240 I said, okay, just to suspend disbelief. And as I'm rubbing the 250 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:56.720 stone, I just thought I'll rubbed the stone. I look at the stone 251 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:06.799 and I see a ship in a storm, and on the right side of 252 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.519 the stone, the waves are big. But then on the left, the 253 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.720 way the ship is heading, it's calm and the sun is out. And 254 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:17.559 I said, and I'm thinking, to my stuff, you're crazy. She's 255 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:21.599 gonna think you're wacko. I said, you're in a ship in a storm 256 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.200 and it's been really scary, and you thought you were gonna die, but 257 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.519 you're coming out of it and you're heading into the sun. And I thought, 258 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.759 well, I get, that's all I get. I'm so sorry. 259 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.880 She starts crying. She starts crying, and I look and I said, 260 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.240 what's the matter. What did I say? She said, I had a 261 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.880 dream last night that I was in a ship in a storm, but I 262 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.039 knew I was coming out of it. Well, I mean, I got 263 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:51.759 goose bumps. So I thought, where is that coming from. There's something 264 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:59.279 in this experiential healing, in this ability to shift your consciousness to that unified 265 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.000 field. What I know now, I didn't have words for it back then. 266 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.119 To be able to into it and to connect to and train yourself with 267 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:14.720 someone else, and no and no things to say that make a difference. 268 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:21.519 That's huge, But I think that and the techniques go ahead. Sorry, 269 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.960 no, I mean I just want. My observation is that you are tapping 270 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:33.440 in to who she is unified field. But also, this is what we 271 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:40.400 call psychic awareness, and you're actually even though you may not use that language, 272 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.079 it's so obvious to me to hear you talk like this. You're like 273 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:49.839 you're tapping into somebody. And I think when you're working with Alberto's technique and 274 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.880 you can talk more about it in a minute, it kind of brings out 275 00:26:53.920 --> 00:27:04.119 your gift. And so that training amplified my intuitive abilities, and I think 276 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:08.680 we all have them to one degree or another. They're more evident, but 277 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:17.480 that training allows you to practice it, to try it out, to say 278 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:22.160 these things out loud to somebody and then later have them validated. I had 279 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.960 another experience working with somebody that all of a sudden I tell him a story. 280 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.400 I said, this is what I see in this young man, and 281 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.319 you're in this cave and this b b bah bah and she starts I think 282 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.839 this is crazy stuff. She starts crying and she said, well, that 283 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.039 young man is my son, and I've been very worried about this and that, 284 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.720 and he's been isolated as if he's in a cave. I'm like, 285 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:49.240 what, so it does. You can teach yourself, you can practice, 286 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:56.079 you can try it out, see how it flies, get that feedback and 287 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.680 try so. I don't think you have to have special gifts. I think 288 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:06.319 you might be more or less ready to roll on it. But I think 289 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:11.640 that training made it made a big difference. When you have a patient come 290 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:21.880 in that has a serious illness and you obviously have to be very careful about 291 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:26.039 what you tell them, especially if it's a type of a cancer or a 292 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:34.920 terminal terminal disease, but serious condition, how do you approach them as their 293 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:42.240 wellness provider? In other words, are there shamatic techniques that you initially introduce 294 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:48.599 into the first visit and the maybe not the first visit, but say you 295 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.200 get their blood work or their analysis bag, you're in blood or whatever, 296 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:59.440 and it shows that they have a degenerative disease? How do you approach that? 297 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:06.160 I think for me, I've recognized a couple of steps. First of 298 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.319 all, with my training, my intuitions have heightened, or my ability to 299 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:17.079 pay attention to them. I can feel when somebody's life force is draining. 300 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.640 I can feel it, and I can feel when there's something bad about to 301 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:30.279 happen. But the second thing that my training taught me is there are multiple 302 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.440 outcomes, and we call them destiny lines. It's like you shine a flashlight 303 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:41.799 and the beam scatters. Well, the least promising or least probable beam might 304 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:48.920 be seem improbable, but still possible. And to set your intention, and 305 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:55.079 I think this is going to be a frontier for medicine is intention. Set 306 00:29:55.119 --> 00:30:02.440 your intention that we're going to look are all the other alternatives other than this 307 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:11.240 badness I feel rolling through. So changing your perception, changing your willingness to 308 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.680 see an alternative outcome. So many times we see the badness and we just 309 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:22.440 go along for the ride, and we can shift it. And that's what 310 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.720 the book also is about, is helping people shift it themselves. So that 311 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:34.519 kind of training heightened my intuition, It heightened my ability to see other destiny 312 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:40.839 lines. And the other thing that it did was connected me to that vast 313 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:48.599 unseen world of intelligences and energies, the forces in the universe, the things 314 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:53.839 we call fairies and nature spirits and power animals and thunder gods and all of 315 00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:00.279 that, whatever names you want to give them. There are many different h 316 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.440 We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, 317 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:12.720 and we will be right back with doctor Sharon Martin. Shortly, we'll 318 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:53.400 be right back. My guest today is doctor Sharon Martin, an INTERNUS they 319 00:31:53.440 --> 00:32:01.200 classically trained alapath who has taken and learned shamanic prac this is and incorporates them 320 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:08.759 in her practice. Her book, Maximize Your Healing Power Shamanic Healing Techniques to 321 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:17.920 Overcome Your Health Challenges has just been published. When you are able to connect 322 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:23.960 to something bigger, with more power than the average human, with more intelligence 323 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.559 than the average human, a force of the universe. The other thing that 324 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.720 a shamanic practitioner can do as a physician is you say, and I say, 325 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:38.039 in my mind's eye, okay, God or beings or whatever I sense, 326 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:43.279 I need you to throw a net around this person and keep them back 327 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.599 from the edge. I need help, Come help me, Come be present 328 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:54.640 and help me. So there's a lot of things I think that seem fairly 329 00:32:54.720 --> 00:33:00.880 straightforward, but this kind of training can bring that can really shift time to 330 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:08.039 operate in the aleopathic world. So to my mind, you're working closer than 331 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:15.039 a typical alepath would work with his patient, her patient, and you're working 332 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:23.079 journeying with this individual. And as you say, if you feel really uncomfortable 333 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:32.079 about a person's condition when you first get their analysis back, you would you 334 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:38.960 say that you set up a program to begin working with them and see how 335 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.680 they react to it, because I mean, some people may be on an 336 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:52.079 ending journey where they're, you know, facing death, and as a practitioner, 337 00:33:53.400 --> 00:34:00.240 your job, your job, it may be that you need to make 338 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.960 their final journey as comfortable as possible. Maybe there's no way out of the 339 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:13.360 terminal setting. As I mean, you're you're really a highbred. And when 340 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:19.519 I say a highbred, you're an alepath formal trained physician, but you're the 341 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.639 shamanism, from what I read and what I hear from you now, is 342 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:35.519 so important in your work that it is the first step in the healing process, 343 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.440 and then the tools follow within the allopathic setting. In other words, 344 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.679 someone needs surgery, Okay, you got to go and have surgery. But 345 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.400 perhaps again we talked about this before we started allopathy, Symson. It seems 346 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.599 to be the big hammer, and then there's you know, the shamanism is 347 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:59.840 the subtlety of smoothing it out. Perhaps or I don't know. You use 348 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:07.079 the words I don't want to use you. I think that I am always 349 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:13.679 present with each patient with a shamanic hat on. But I'll be the first 350 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:19.000 to say, in the constraints of a typical alepathic office, when I see 351 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:25.760 twenty two people a day, I do not each patient doesn't have a conversation 352 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:31.719 about shamanic tools they can use. So I haven't fully blended it in the 353 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.119 sense that it's every single patient. But when I do have somebody that I 354 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:42.639 can sense is going to fight even a terminal what looks like a terminal illness, 355 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:49.920 then I'll say I can teach you some things to do. The citizens 356 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.119 science, I'll be clear to say this is a science, but it's my 357 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:59.400 spiritual belief that we have an energy field, you have a drain, you 358 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.280 have a black thickness density. Here I can teach you things to do. 359 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.800 Do you want to do that? And some will say yes, and the 360 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.519 others will say no, not really. But then I can bring him back 361 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:15.280 in another visit and teach him a few techniques. I had a woman who 362 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:21.280 husband father had died, and he had died from a blood clot and one 363 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.119 of the blood tests must have the abnormality must have stuck in her mind, 364 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:30.760 because she came in requesting that I test her for this test, and I 365 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.719 said, it means so many different things. I don't think that's going to 366 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.960 be valuable for you. No, she insisted it was abnormal, only a 367 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:44.840 little bit abnormal, but that took her down this whole path seeing specialist that 368 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.679 they never found anything. But I said to her, I said, I'm 369 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:52.079 worried that this is about your father dying and that that energy is still with 370 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.920 you. Well, yeah it is, but I don't care. I don't 371 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.440 want to talk about that. Well, she knew that her father's energy was 372 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:05.400 still and that was what I was sensing, is that she was so fixated 373 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.679 on this abnormal blood test, which implied in his case, a blood clot 374 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:14.920 of which he died from, that that was still resonating in her field. 375 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.320 And I could census, and I said, do you want me to help 376 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:22.480 you let him go? Oh no, it's not that big a deal. 377 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.199 I'll I care about is this blood test? So there are people don't want 378 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:34.280 to hear it. One of the big things I see with Western culture is 379 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:38.960 that people are out of touch with their bodies, and as a shaman, 380 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.960 I would think that one and you can talk about this. Some of your 381 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:52.440 techniques would be doing if somebody has a very serious diagnosis, that you would 382 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:58.320 help them get in touch with their bodies doing by doing vision quests or meditative 383 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:04.159 techniques. Talk a little little bit about some healing techniques that you would introduce 384 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:09.159 with someone who has a serious condition, who seems to be out of touch 385 00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.119 with their body, who's in their brain, who's in their head? A 386 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.360 lot? And this is something I think is a big problem with Western culture 387 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:23.880 is that we don't look internally enough. So well, I like and I 388 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.559 trained also, I am trained as a certified hypnotherapist, and one of the 389 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:40.880 things I love is to use visualizations and even to write down a self hypnosis 390 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.639 and record it and then play it and go on that journey inside your own 391 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.320 mind. I do believe that when you engage your higher self, you can 392 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.079 make a lot happen for your body. And I'll come back to that in 393 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.719 a second. The other thing, what you said, so many people are 394 00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.239 stuck with the energy up here that it's not all flowing. You can have 395 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.079 a whole lot of thoughts, a whole lot of cerebration. But if you 396 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:12.079 can't bring it down and manifest it into form, you've got a lot of 397 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.480 jumble. And I think we have a lot of jumble. Our technology keeps 398 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.840 us in jumble. But anyway, I would suggest to somebody a visualization I 399 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:25.840 love and I learned the basics of this from drun Below Melchisedek, a teacher 400 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.440 back in the Gosh. I'm going to say nineties. Maybe, Yeah, 401 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.519 he's all around, he's in the New Mexico, I think, I know, 402 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.920 yeah, probably Sedona area. Yeah, Well, he taught about the 403 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:44.039 sacred space of the heart, and there is a tiny sacred room in the 404 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:49.039 heart, and a person can intuitively find that if you ask them to take 405 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:53.519 your mind's eye and journey to that and when you enter that room and sit 406 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.079 in that room, and I have people say, look around, see how 407 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:02.800 it looks to you. Everybody's sacred groom is different. And then invite in 408 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:12.360 your either wise person that's yourself, your higher self. Maybe invite in your 409 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:20.039 healed self and have a dialogue about what can be done, what can change, 410 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:25.760 and the insights that people get are phenomenal and leading them into that. 411 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.119 And I think in my book, I have dialogues like that that a person 412 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:36.599 could record and then listen and follow along. For me, it's easier to 413 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:44.119 follow a guided meditation than it is to sit and just go on. I'm 414 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.199 not a good sitter like that. I need my brain. But yeah, 415 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:54.320 fascinating. In the book you talk about ritual. Why is ritual important in 416 00:40:54.440 --> 00:41:01.239 healing? To me? When I say chul, I'm assuming that you're going 417 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:08.480 to do a chuel in sacred space? Well, what do I mean by 418 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:13.880 sacred space? First of all, that all parts of you are present, 419 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.000 so your mind's not wandering, You're able to sit. You're just able to 420 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.400 sit and come to center, and then you connect to your higher beings, 421 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.920 your higher self, your God, your guardian angel, you're whatever. When 422 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.679 you're in that space, when the full force of you is present, then 423 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:38.480 the action, the lighting of the candle, the spritsing of a stone that 424 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:46.039 you're rubbing, the drawing that you make, can all have greater meaning, 425 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:52.480 can have more powerful meaning for you, And it's engaging every part of you. 426 00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:00.039 So that's ritual to me is when all is engaged and you're in a 427 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:04.519 sacred moment, and you make that moment sacred by your intention by all of 428 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:12.039 you being present and usually by connecting to a higher source fascinating you know you 429 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:19.079 mentioned intention a while ago. It's funny because I've been in this personal growth 430 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:23.760 field for most of my adult life, and we used intention twenty five years 431 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.599 ago very sparingly. But all of a sudden, in the last few years, 432 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:37.079 it's becoming much much more practical and beneficial to upfront say I want to 433 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.039 use my intention. I intend this to happen. I intend. It's almost 434 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:47.639 like you writer program talk a little bit about your use of intention in your 435 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.280 new book, Maximize Your Healing Power, and why you think it's so powerful 436 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:58.519 as a healing tool. Well, I think what's happening in the last ten 437 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:07.800 many of the spiritual teachers are starting to bring forward the role of our consciousness 438 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:14.679 and the power of our consciousness Joe dispense, A Dawson, church Lynn MacTaggart, 439 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:20.159 to name a few. When you set your intention, which is your 440 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.800 thought, engage in your entire consciousness, then you are linking up with the 441 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:30.400 entire field of the unified field of consciousness. And I think this is the 442 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:39.280 frontier of medicine that you then are linking up with power in this information field, 443 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.920 the acastic field, whatever you want to call it. What we don't 444 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.400 know a lot about what structure it holds in physics, we don't know that 445 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.519 yet, but you we're linking up with that, and when we do, 446 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.920 we have healers who are able and I think people for themselves are able to 447 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:05.360 say, I'm setting my intention that my X, Y, and Z will 448 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:13.440 be healed, and that power of our consciousness is actually something that I believe 449 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:19.360 we're going to learn how to tap into. More fascinating, Sharon, I 450 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:28.440 want you to give us an example of a patient of yours who came in 451 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:36.119 with an obvious problem that was perhaps detected after some analysis where you applied an 452 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:47.559 allopathic solution along with a shamanic solution and the results. Okay, we'll talk 453 00:44:47.599 --> 00:45:00.400 about this person who came in with a feeling of low energy, of being 454 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:10.880 drained, joint starting ball, feeling pretty down and out and not having any 455 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:19.480 motivation. From an alepathic point of view, I thought that his joints looked 456 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:24.679 abnormal, that he may have had rheumatoid arthritis, and I initiated the testing 457 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:30.239 for that and then the subsequent visit to the rheumatologist but that didn't totally explain 458 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:36.079 his lack of motivation as feeling drained. And it was then that I found 459 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:40.480 out from him that he had suffered a traumatic event some years prior that he 460 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:46.679 still had nightmares about and that he had seen something bad happened to somebody car 461 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:57.159 accident and was still literally traumatized in flashbacks about that an alepathic thing for that 462 00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:05.239 could be using medicine to help break that depression anxiety PTSD cycle. But what 463 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.119 I said to him, as I said, and again I always say this, 464 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:13.039 this isn't science, this is my spiritual belief. I can teach you 465 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.599 something to do to clear that. I believe that that person you saw die 466 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:22.760 in the traffic accident, that their energy is still around you and they and 467 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.119 then the person will say, yeah, it is, it is it still 468 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.639 is. I mean they know it, they never knew somebody could tell them 469 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.639 that it actually happened, could happen. And so I said, here is 470 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.840 how I want you to sit in a make yourself an altar, make yourself 471 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:45.360 a sacred space, have a candle, and I want you to every day, 472 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.559 a few minutes a day, I want you to release person back to 473 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.920 the light, release them back to the light. And meanwhile, my shamanic 474 00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:01.119 intention is to get that other person energy you's now in the spirit world, 475 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.880 but didn't quite make it all the way, get them out of his field, 476 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.559 the patient's field, and return to the light. And together he did 477 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.840 that, and the next time I saw him, he felt probably eighty five 478 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:21.599 percent back to normal. Would you say that the trauma there was the trauma 479 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:28.519 causing his inflammation of the joints or was it just exasperating it so that it 480 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:34.559 was not something that was healing under normal conditions or not related. I just 481 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.079 happened to see him both at the same time. It's I think it's highly 482 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:45.320 probable in the shamanic view of things that when you've got foreign energy zipping around 483 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:52.960 your energy field that stirs up all kinds of short circuits and clogged up places 484 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:58.440 where your life force isn't flowing, that it could easily have manifested as bad 485 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:07.159 joints. Fascinating. What is the disconnect between energetic medicine, which I've known 486 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:15.719 about for years, and the allopathic system of not thinking about energetics except that 487 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.000 they do use MRIs and things like that, which is energy medicine. What 488 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:27.639 I mean, it's I guess it's that the typical alopath is a scientist and 489 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.599 uses the scientific methods. So if you can't see it, you can't test 490 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:36.880 it, you can't recognize it. Is that the problem? It is reductionist. 491 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.400 It's that materialistic reductionism. But the other thing is they have not been 492 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:49.679 taught because again it's not been proven that we have an energy body and that 493 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:54.519 we have an energy field that can be impacted by things that can have wounds 494 00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:00.519 in it, that can have sluggishness in it. So there's no there's no 495 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:07.639 language to there's no way to even see that and understand that. Yeah, 496 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.800 and this is the problem I see. I don't want to beat up alipathy 497 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.320 too much because this is so easy to slap them around, But I mean, 498 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:22.719 you're very rare, Sharon. You're extremely rare in that you acknowledge that 499 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.920 you needed more information as to become a healer, a wellness provider. Of 500 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:35.920 the thousands of students that are graduated every year, I would say, and 501 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:43.079 I'm just an outside observer, that there are wonderful technicians these positions that come 502 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:49.440 out, but they're disconnected from the healing. So how do we approach this. 503 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.599 I mean, when you go to your alpath and you ask them, 504 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:58.360 you know, you feel intuitive that you need more than just what they're offering, 505 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.719 and they can't help you. What do you do? Well? When 506 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.159 I think about the students, because I've mentored a lot of students in my 507 00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:13.079 clinic, they're hungry for this also, So if we could just at least 508 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:19.800 offer the alternative teachings. And I have to say there is a stereotype between 509 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:25.559 mds anddo's doctors of osteopathy, but thedos are more willing to consider these other 510 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:37.280 alternative things. But I often thought that my book would be wonderful for medical 511 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:44.199 students to read. See it different, See that healing is bigger because you 512 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.719 are in awe. When you're a medical student, you're in awe of these 513 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:52.440 gods of science, and you start to get tunnel vision because you're sure that 514 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:58.440 this is and it is miraculous, and there's all kinds of biochemistry and things 515 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.239 that are incredible and genetics and yeah, and so you get swept away, 516 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:07.159 but there is still the hunger until it's till you're blind and you're down the 517 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.599 tunnel vision. You don't feel it anymore. But there's this hunger to do 518 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:16.679 more, to be more. Yeah, it's funny because you in your book 519 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:22.440 you write that you were reading Edgar Casey, and Edgar Casey talks about an 520 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:31.039 different epic of Atlantis where the healers used energetic healing more freely. They use 521 00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:37.480 color healing and energy healing with crystals and things like that, which seems way 522 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.920 way, way, way way out. And here we are in this epic 523 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.480 where we're on the other side of the fence, where it's all technology and 524 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:52.519 very little intuition, I mean, and acknowledging the energy body worth it so 525 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:58.920 well, you know, I had I had a visualization once this is probably 526 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:04.920 about ten or fifteen years ago, when I saw myself healing with blue light 527 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.960 crystals. Wow. Interesting and I that has no realm for me. I 528 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:15.119 have no nothing to where to put that. All I know is it was 529 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:21.159 incredible, and so yeah, I would love to get back to that. 530 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.639 I could describe what the vision was. Were you in a special room and 531 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:30.440 there was this gigantic crystal or was it person laying taka as much as you 532 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:35.719 know, it was like a handheld wand and I think I was actually in 533 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.840 a UFO and I had a handheld wand and I could use it too. 534 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.360 Was cool. But you know, some of my intuition, this happened from 535 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.079 shamana training when we had our stones and we were building our medicine bundle. 536 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.960 I got a lot of intuition later in client sessions just by the stones, 537 00:52:54.239 --> 00:53:00.639 just by so I could see, you know, I could feel the validity 538 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:06.920 of a blue light crystal, this wand of anyway. It was incredible. 539 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:13.800 Wow. The book's called Maximize Your Healing Power, Geministic Healing Techniques to Overcome 540 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:22.920 your health challenges. My guests is doctor Sharon Martin, talk about you call 541 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:30.119 it maximize maximum Medicine. What are the four a's that you highlight in your 542 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:39.159 book? So I invented intuitive, intuitive, conceptualized. Every time I saw 543 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.400 patient, I saw this journey. They were on this clockwise journey going through 544 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:52.199 four directions, like the medicine wheels of Southwestern United States. And I thought, 545 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:58.679 you know, in order to tackle any problem, you need first to 546 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:02.000 be aware of it, and then not just to know you have a pain 547 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.840 or an ache or an illness, but to really intuite it all the depths 548 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:12.239 of it. Then you need to allow your bigger helpers. Because our human 549 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:19.480 so constricted, we need to let in. Bigger intelligence is bigger awareness is 550 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:24.519 bigger consciousness. That's the allow steps so aware allow Then we need to take 551 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:29.559 action, and that is do you need an energy clearing? Do you need 552 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:34.559 to repair your field? Do you need to cut yourself separate from something that's 553 00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:38.320 sucking your energy? And then you need to practice it over and over to 554 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.840 make it real, you need to affirm it. So that's the four a's 555 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:47.119 is that step wise process. And in my book, I teach different places, 556 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.719 different techniques in each section of how to and you can take any life 557 00:54:53.239 --> 00:55:02.440 cho I taught it from a health challenge point of view and TA M fascinating. 558 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.599 Can you talk a little bit about the medicine will because you do have 559 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:13.159 quite a bit of information on it. Was this part of your shamanic training 560 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:19.840 using the medicine will. The parts that were part of the shamanic training were 561 00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:24.719 the perceptual states and the directions. Those are the directions are used in Native 562 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:34.360 American and Celtic. And then the perceptual states were taught by Alberto. And 563 00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.679 then there are elements and each of the directions is assigned to an element, 564 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:45.719 So those things are traditionally taught by other other teachers. And then again it's 565 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:52.400 this spiral journey through steps with the symbolism of gaining knowledge with each step. 566 00:55:53.800 --> 00:56:01.400 And then I intuited the two the forays and the medicine wheel of inner tasks. 567 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:07.320 So this is all the stuff that you have developed on your own as 568 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.280 you've been practicing. Yes, wonderful, All right, Hey, how can 569 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.199 people get more information? You have a wonderful website, by the way, 570 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.000 I just had a chance to look at it. Give us the web give 571 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.159 us the web address, and how people can learn more about your practice. 572 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:29.159 Okay, doctor Sharon Martin dot com. Dr Sharon Martin dot com and how 573 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:35.039 to contact me will be on there. And obviously buy my book because I 574 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.679 think it's helpful. Just came out, my friends, it just came out 575 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:45.679 today, So regulations fighting. It's really exciting. So I welcome anybody to 576 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.480 get in touch with me. That'd be great, wonderful. All right, 577 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:55.119 Hey, thank you very much, and I'm really happy to have met you. 578 00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:00.280 You're I hope you're one of a many new breed of physician that is 579 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:06.480 working with the old the old ways and incorporating it with your training. So 580 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:13.360 thank you. Fun talking to you, yea so much. All right bye. 581 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:24.599 I would hope at some point that the graduating classes of these allopathic colleges 582 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.719 have more tools, have more sensitivities, more awareness. I can't believe that 583 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:43.960 the board of directors or the education board would welcome shamanic medicine into the general 584 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:49.800 practice. I think that's too much to ask. But I think that when 585 00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:57.320 we began seeing scientific breakthroughs, scanning technology that begins to detect subtle energy feels 586 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.800 like the aura, I like the Meridians and so forth and so on. 587 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:07.039 There is the proof that the body is more than just physical mass, that 588 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:12.280 there's a subtle energy, bodies that are at work, and when they are 589 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:19.239 identified, then medicine is forced to change. And I you know medicine. 590 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.559 I mean, I've mentioned this many many times. My grandfather was a was 591 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:29.159 an allopath. My cousin is an emergency room doc. I have nurses who 592 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:35.360 are trained and allopathy, and there's a lot of good work that's being done, 593 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:42.119 but there's a huge, huge disconnect with this subtle body energy. And 594 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:52.199 I've spoken with interviewed and featured physicians, allopathic physicians who are classically trained who 595 00:58:52.199 --> 00:59:00.119 have crossed over like Sharon, like doctor Martin in our program today, who 596 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:07.440 recognize that they cannot practice healing without understanding these energy fields and also the other 597 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:14.320 forms of healing that are available. So this is why I had sharing on 598 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:20.920 the program. She's very outspoken, and I want to mention off before the 599 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:25.840 interview, she did remind me that if you listening audience have an issue, 600 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:34.320 you can call her and she can help recommend different programs depending on where you 601 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.719 live. The other thing is, and I mentioned this in the very beginning, 602 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:46.000 when you are part of the corporate medical model, you're basically a number. 603 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:54.920 Classic example here, I am having last September twenty eight heart issue, 604 00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:04.559 rushed to the doctor. They inserted a stent into my coronary artery and recommended, 605 01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.039 you know, some lifestyle changes. But that was it. That was 606 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.519 it. There was no discussion about what was in my going on with me 607 01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:19.559 emotionally. I never talked to my cardiologists until many, many many months after 608 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:29.639 the procedure. And this is corporate medicine. It's disconnected from the patient and 609 01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:34.519 that's not how medicine should be, and that's not wellness at all. It's 610 01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:39.079 it's totally disconnected. And this is a great deal of American or Western medical 611 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:45.639 programs. This is what we get. This is where our dollars go. 612 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.519 How in the hell it's in the billions of dollars is anyone's guests, Because 613 01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:57.519 it isn't really a positive wellness therapy or technique. It's in fact, it's 614 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:01.840 disconnected. And so I'm not going to harp on that too much. But 615 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:09.239 when we begin to see other healing modalities, indigenous modalities, Chinese medicine, 616 01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:16.440 shamanic medicine, other forms of healing incorporated with allopathy, I think you're gonna 617 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:22.800 have some real powerful healing techniques. And I guess my guess is once these 618 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:29.519 discoveries are made. We mentioned briefly that alopathy is based on the scientific method, 619 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.960 which is a problem. If you can't see it, it doesn't exist, 620 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:39.039 and that's a huge problem. So anyhow, I hope you enjoyed Sharon. 621 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:45.440 I really liked her material. Get her book just came out, Maximize 622 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:52.639 Your Healing Power Shamanic Healing Techniques to Overcome your health challenges. Real fun, 623 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.440 easy read. She's a good writer. A great deal of the book. 624 01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:01.519 In the very first part is about her personal life, her experience as a 625 01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:07.039 young medical student. It's horrific. Well, I mean it's not horrific, 626 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:13.920 it's just you can't believe that they call that wellness medicine. It's just so 627 01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:17.719 disconnected from any help. Take a look at it, take a read, 628 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:25.719 and go to her website, Sharon Doctor Sharon Martin dot com. It's a 629 01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:32.519 great website and follow up. Check it out. I think you're gonna enjoy 630 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:36.679 it. And if you have a health problem and you're not happy with what's 631 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:45.159 going on with your current physician, consider consider consider contacting her and seeing if 632 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:52.119 she can help you. So there you go. As a reminder, we 633 01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:57.880 have the Contact in the Desert series coming up real soon. This will be 634 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.039 on Earth ancients as well as Destiny. This is a handful of individuals who 635 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:10.840 have selected who are the cutting edge of new thought we're dealing with. Artificial 636 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:16.800 intelligence is a topic, the UFO alien connection, the experiencers. These are 637 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:24.599 people who are experiencing alien interaction or ET interaction on different levels. And also 638 01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:31.559 we're having a couple of people speaking on what is believed to be ET UFO 639 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.440 propulsion systems. Now, this is a whole new field of study. And 640 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:46.079 the rumors are that they have a few hand down to UFO vehicles that they 641 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:52.760 have begun to reverse engineer, and some of that is very positive. Some 642 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:58.280 of the rumors are that some of the craft that we see as uapiece unidentified 643 01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:04.360 aerial phenomenon are actual reverse engineered craft. Now that's that's kind of scary when 644 01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:13.519 when you consider that our own government, our own people are flying in crafts 645 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:21.559 that are propulsion that have propulsion systems, propellants that are reverse engineered from off 646 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:28.239 roll types. We don't they just tell us, just tell us you're flying 647 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:34.119 the damn craft and you reversed engineered from from a down UFO. Oh too 648 01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:39.360 much to ask, I guess anyhow, it's the content in the Desert series. 649 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:44.519 I will be announcing that in the coming weeks I'll be down in Indian 650 01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:50.440 Springs, which is a suburb of Palm Springs, California, starting June first. 651 01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:57.000 I'll be there tell the fifth interviewing all kinds of interesting people. And 652 01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:03.320 this is a program that it allows you in the door a chance to hear 653 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:11.480 from these exceptional individuals the latest thoughts on a variety of very very interesting topics. 654 01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:16.519 And it's part of the Destiny and Earth Ancients program, so look forward 655 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.880 to that. All right. I want to thank my guests today, doctor 656 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:27.079 Sharon Martin, coming to us from Philadelphia. As always, thanks to the 657 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.599 team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this thing happen. 658 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:36.400 You guys, you guys rock it. You do rock and I appreciate 659 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:40.960 it. All right, take care of you well and we will talk to 660 01:05:41.000 --> 01:06:00.079 you next time. The