WEBVTT 1 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:20.920 Second hour of the program, Welcome back Acces and Bros. Monday through Friday, 2 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.480 from six until nine, We've got a poll question out there for you. 3 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.640 Trent has tweeted it out. It's also on our Facebook page and we 4 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:33.679 welcome your votes. Is on offficiing like which NHL pitcher should start the All 5 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:38.880 Star Game? Is it Paul Schemes of the Pittsburgh Pirates, is it Chris 6 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:43.560 Sale of the Atlanta Braves, or is it other? Vote as often as 7 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:47.280 you like. We'll give the results on Monday at eight o'clock. Our poll 8 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:51.920 question from yesterday. The results will come your way about an hour from now. 9 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:56.960 Yesterday we asked you which of these events are you most interested in? 10 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:03.320 European Soccer Championships, Wimbledon, which we'll see a couple of surprising women in 11 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:10.519 the final, Scottish Open that saw Justin Thomas play really well yesterday he shot 12 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:14.159 a sixty two and eight hunder sixty two, Rory McRoy shot a five hundred 13 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:19.280 sixty five. Or the NBA Summer League. That's what we asked you from 14 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.280 yesterday. You can still vote on that if you'd like, but we'll give 15 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.519 you the results about an hour from now, the results for Kentamayta have been 16 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:34.000 brutal. You know that you follow the Tigers, you understand. Forget about 17 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:42.719 his one thousandth career strikeout the other night. So what his era is over 18 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:49.359 seven? Okay? And he's even admitted I don't think I've ever struggled this 19 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.200 badly in my career. Okay, probably the case he would know better than 20 00:01:55.200 --> 00:02:00.640 I. Not the point here, though, can't continue you to trot him 21 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:07.159 out every fifth day. You just can't. The Tigers, I believe, 22 00:02:07.199 --> 00:02:15.400 have lost his last seven starts. Whether he's responsible or not, whether he's 23 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:24.120 the guy who takes the l it doesn't matter. They're not winning with him 24 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:30.280 on them out. And they're stuck with a two year, twenty four million 25 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:36.280 dollar contract. And I say stuck because there's not much you can I mean, 26 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.360 you're gonna eat. You can eat some money once in a while in 27 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:46.439 sports. The problem in Detroit is we all believe, I think I can 28 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.840 paint us all with a broadbrush. We all believe the Tigers should eat the 29 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:58.199 Javier Baias contract. It's not gonna happen, not all of it, not 30 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:04.240 right now. It's a part time player, but he's beat in buck eighty 31 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:10.680 Kent Tamaida. You'd like him to suddenly eat that contract too. So you're 32 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:15.000 eating eighty three million, you're eating, well, he's making fourteen mil this 33 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.639 year, he's going to make ten next year. Suddenly you're up to close 34 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:21.520 to one hundred million dollars. Your payrolls one hundred and six million, one 35 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:27.039 hundred and seven million. So we got to be we got to be smart 36 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.680 about this on how you and I talk about it, while the Tigers have 37 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:31.960 to be a hell of a lot smarter on who they're signing and for how 38 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:37.199 long and for how much. I don't think that make or breaks you of 39 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:42.800 Kent to Mata two year, twenty four million dollar contract. But it's been 40 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.159 an awful and it's not even an experiment. It's been an awful investment. 41 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:53.680 You and I would dump the stock by now. So maybe the break comes 42 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:58.400 at a good time. Here's what they have done. They have moved him 43 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:05.560 to the bullpen for what aj hinch the foreseeable future. So who do you 44 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:10.240 throw as the next starter? Is it bow Brisky who's out of the bullpen? 45 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.120 Is it Alex Fayedo who only has two pitches? By the way, 46 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.160 what this is going to do. Is it going to tax your bullpen? 47 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:20.879 When whoever you start in his stead, It's not going to be Joey Wentz. 48 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:27.560 Don't give me Joey Wentz please, I mean Joey Wentz says over his 49 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.720 last I don't know. One hundred and fifty innings has an ERA well over 50 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:38.319 six. So it's not happening. You're going to go with Briskey, You're 51 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:40.560 going to go with Fayato. They're used to coming out of the bullpen. 52 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.800 You'll have to stretch them out a little bit. How long that takes is 53 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.000 up to the individual. I don't know the answer to that, but I 54 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:51.959 do know that you're going to rely on your bullpen when those or either of 55 00:04:53.040 --> 00:05:01.600 those two young men make a start in place of Kent Tomayta. You'd love 56 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.079 to see Matt Manning and form our first round pick come up, but have 57 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:10.759 you seen what his ra If you believe in era and for starters, it's 58 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:16.079 more conducive to judging them than it would be a reliever. A reliever can 59 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:21.360 come in in an inning, get blown up one time and ruin his ra 60 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:27.959 for half a season. Starters because of how long they go or how long 61 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.439 you hope they can go can keep it curtailed and under control a little bit 62 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:41.480 easier. But Matt Manning's got an ERA over five and trip ala. We 63 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:46.439 talk about drafting and developing all the time, don't we. Yeah, well, 64 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:53.639 how come Matt Manning's not developing? How come he goes down to the 65 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.759 miners and gets worse? Like he was pretty good in spring training, gave 66 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:02.120 up a few more homers than you'd like him to. He wasn't awful last 67 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:08.839 year, and that shouldn't be the bar, So please don't take it out 68 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.399 of context. It should not be the bar. I don't expect Matt Manning 69 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:17.199 to be Paul Schemes, Okay, but Matt Manning last year you didn't mind 70 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:26.120 him at the back end of your starting rotation. He had an ERA of 71 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.920 three and a half. He didn't win as many games as you'd like, 72 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.160 he didn't start as many games as you'd like, he didn't strike out as 73 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.120 many players as you'd like, and he probably walked too many. But the 74 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:40.800 ERA was under control for the most part. If I told you I would 75 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.720 give you an ERA of three point five, would you take it? Probably 76 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:50.079 knowing that on average he might give you about five innings per start. It's 77 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:57.720 not great, it's not right home worthy about and it's not top end rotation 78 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.959 worthy either. But it's a hell of a lot better than when you got 79 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:06.639 right now from Kent to Mayida. My point is, why did he digress? 80 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:14.199 Why is his er higher in the minor leagues than it has been in 81 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:23.120 his five starts in the major leagues. Help me with that, but I 82 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:29.279 digress. It's a good thing that the Tigers have decided to do this. 83 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:33.560 They have relegated Kent to Maida to the bullpen. It's a move that had 84 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:38.639 to be made. Some may say it was too late. I don't know 85 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.920 exactly when the perfect timing is, or was, or should be, but 86 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.160 I do know that this can't continue any longer. It feels like addition by 87 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:50.199 subtraction. Even if there's no direct answer, which you're kind of alluding to, 88 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:55.680 we don't really know who's going to fill those shoes. It just feels 89 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:57.959 like a breath of fresh air, at least for me to get him out 90 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:05.639 of there. Men, what's the longest kentami Eta has lasted this year? 91 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:11.000 Six innings? Maybe six innings? On May first against Saint Louis that's it. 92 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:18.399 He did six innings against Minnesota on April thirteenth. That's it. He 93 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:24.519 has not gone longer than six innings in a start this season. His last 94 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:33.000 two starts two and two thirds, three and two thirds. The Tigers have 95 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:39.960 lost his last seven. He himself has lost his last four. That's all 96 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.080 that really needs to be said. I know sometimes we used to say, 97 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.879 you know, with quarterbacks winning and losing, it's attributed to them. But 98 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.799 you know, it's such a team sport in baseball, it's a little bit 99 00:08:52.840 --> 00:09:03.080 closer to the truth, winning and losing for starting pitchers control it. So 100 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:09.399 it's a good move by the Tigers. What's an interesting move by the Tigers 101 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.879 is not too long ago they let go of an All Star. I don't 102 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.159 know if you've seen the All Star rosters, but suddenly there's a couple of 103 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:24.879 ex Tigers who they didn't want or we didn't want, that are all stars. 104 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.919 Stunning happy for them, but stunning turn of events, especially with the 105 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.840 announcement yesterday. 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It's not certified if it's not the best. Meyer 147 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.759 has the best. They've got butchers in every state that cut and grind fresh 148 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:11.519 beef every single day making sure you get the best. So you deserve it. 149 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:16.919 There's only one place to get it, and it is the best meyer 150 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:39.120 check him out today. Jose Altuve deserves to be an All Star, but 151 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:46.320 he's not playing in the All Star Game. He's out for various reasons. 152 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:52.960 It's an injury, so he's not playing. So yesterday his replacement was named. 153 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.480 You know who it is. He's a former Tiger. We'll give you 154 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.000 a little bit of a clue here. You know, earlier we were talking 155 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.919 about Paul Skeens and should he start for the National League. It's really going 156 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.360 to be up to Tory Lavello. But Buster Only was on ESPN last night 157 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:16.600 saying, I believe it's going to be Paul Skeens because that's who people want 158 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.200 to see. I don't know if the American League has a guy like that, 159 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.559 to be honest with you, I don't. I don't know if it's 160 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.159 Corbyn Burns. I don't know if it's Scara Crochet. I don't know if 161 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.799 it's Logan Gilbert Tanner, Hulk from Boston who was really good again last night, 162 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:37.120 Seth Lugo, Cole Reagan's Derek Scubel. Okay, we know it's not 163 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.000 going to be Kirby Yates or Emmanuel Class A. I would love to see 164 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:46.080 Scooble. I would love to and I don't say that as a Tigers fan. 165 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:54.879 We love, absolutely love power. Why do you think in highlights when 166 00:14:54.919 --> 00:15:01.879 there's a home run hit in a game, we see it. For the 167 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:03.399 most part, we're going to see it. Maybe it's ten to one and 168 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.879 you're not going to show the highlight of Josh Naylor's homer, but you're going 169 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.879 to see home runs. You'll see Carson Kelly's home run from last night. 170 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:16.759 We love power. We love power pitching, we love power hitters. We 171 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:22.320 are enamored with the way Aaron Judge hits the baseball. We are blown away 172 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:28.559 that Shoe Aotani has eight of the top ten longest distanced home runs this year. 173 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.320 We want to see it. Just like in football, we want to 174 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.679 see big hits, but we want to see touchdown passes. We want to 175 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:45.080 see results. Those things give us results. Guys who score in hockey, 176 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.679 guys who score in basketball, guys who homer in baseball, and guys who 177 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.720 can strike guys out in baseball. So that's why I would love to see 178 00:15:54.720 --> 00:16:00.879 it. Just like you. I want to see Paul Skens up against the 179 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.480 best of the best, and I want to see Terrek Skoubel go up against 180 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.919 the best of the best. I don't know what the lineup's going to be 181 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:15.320 like, all right, but I want to see those guys power throw against 182 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:22.720 the best of the best. So the National League has its reserves and the 183 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:32.360 American League has its reserves. There are two ex Tigers among the American League 184 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:41.639 reserves. One of them is Esak Paratus. He's the third baseman for Tampa 185 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:48.519 that the Tigers traded to Tampa for Austin Meadows. Now, I will be 186 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:56.159 full disclosure here. I admit when that took place, I was a thumbs 187 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:04.720 up, was super excited. I thought to myself, Wow, the Tigers 188 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:11.960 just traded a guy who has not played for them for a former All Star 189 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.400 and a guy who has driven in over one hundred runs. What did the 190 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:22.720 Tigers need? My belief, I think they needed power. What did they 191 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:29.240 get at the time, a guy coming off a twenty seven home run season 192 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:33.079 and a guy who had also hit thirty three homers earlier in his career and 193 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:37.119 was an All Star. What did they need a guy who could produce runs? 194 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.000 At the time, they were getting a twenty six year old who just 195 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:48.279 drove in one hundred and six runs twice in the top twenty in MVP voting, 196 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.880 a left handed stick and what do I always ask for? An every 197 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.440 day player? That's who I thought they were getting. I didn't know. 198 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.680 It's not my job to know, it's the Tigers job to know. I 199 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:08.799 did not know that he had some mental issues. That's why he only played 200 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.680 thirty six games his first year in Detroit. That's why he only played six 201 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:22.000 games last year for the Tigers. It's really too bad. The credit to 202 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:27.920 Esach Paratus. Esak Paratus is now an All Star. The other All Star 203 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:38.599 who now takes the place of Jose Altuve is one Willie Castro. Willie Castro 204 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:45.400 is now a Minnesota Twin after spending the first four years of his career in 205 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:53.519 Detroit. First and foremost really good dude. Second of all, has been 206 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:00.720 very productive as a member of the Twins. He's up his average, he's 207 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:07.039 been to sixty eight. He's cut down on his strikeouts, he's hit with 208 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.920 more power. The verse. Is he an All Star? I don't think 209 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:18.880 so, absolutely not. But and does he have All Star numbers? I 210 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:26.799 don't think so. Do I think they needed a versatile infielder or a guy 211 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.640 who could play a little bit of the outfield. Maybe. I mean, 212 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.240 I guess that's what I guess that's what the All Star team has come to. 213 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.279 I guess that's what they need. This is the perfect example, sheep, 214 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.400 of what you've been talking about where you can't put a whole lot of 215 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:44.599 stock into who makes the All Star Team. You gotta look at a little 216 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.440 bit more prestigious accolades, if you know what I'm saying. I mean, 217 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.240 because like the Pro Bowls even an even worse example, but this is right. 218 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.400 Here is a case in point of baseball. Willie Castro's hitting what thirty 219 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.359 something eight to sixty eight? Okay, so that's pretty good, but it's 220 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:04.160 not All Star level in my opinion. Huh, it's not even trend. 221 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.559 It's not even close. I feel like he got I feel like he got 222 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.359 at least tip three hundred in right or around it. Well, if you're 223 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:15.359 gonna hit two sixty eight, can can we do it with some power? 224 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.920 Right? Look, there are certain things you can substitute, and I don't 225 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.680 want to. It's it's kind of mean to knock him because I've said he's 226 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.920 a good dude, he's improved, He's done some better things. He's in 227 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.039 line to have his you know, he's gonna have his most productive home run 228 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:37.160 hitting season. I think his career high is nine in Detroit. He's got 229 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.559 seven this year. But can you have some power if you're going to only 230 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:48.079 bet to sixty eight? Like Jose Ramirez is a starting third basement He said 231 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.839 about that, he's I think he's two seventy. He's got twenty one bomps. 232 00:20:53.680 --> 00:21:02.759 He's got seventy seven stakes credit where credit is due. Good for him. 233 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.960 Here are the other reserves though, in the American League. So it's 234 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:08.839 if he doesn't play. If he's the one guy who doesn't play, you 235 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:14.319 can almost understand. Okay, and I know we're up against it, but 236 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:19.920 think about it for a second. Raphael Devers, Carlos Korea, Jordan Westberg, 237 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:26.279 Bobby Witt Junior, Josh Naylor, Essik Paratus. Those are the guys 238 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:32.839 who join Willie Castro as reserves for the American League infield. When we come 239 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:38.519 back a learning lesson on football language, stay with us. 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When Trent and I talk baseball 264 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:56.759 or football, any sport in the morning, oftentimes I think of just how 265 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.599 good you have to be and how smart you have to be to be either 266 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:07.680 playing it, managing it, or coaching it. And I try to keep 267 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:15.519 in mind when we have discussions the respect I have for those who participate and 268 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.680 excel in these sports, like Trent, and we're just talking about Willie Castro. 269 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:26.160 I am not knocking Willy Castro. He does something I could never do, 270 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.359 or any of us quite honestly, could ever do, that doesn't make 271 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.720 him an All Star. Okay, So I try to have that balance. 272 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:38.880 Same thing with managing and coaching. Like Trent asked me earlier today, Paul 273 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:42.519 Skeins, would you have taken him out after ninety nine pitches a no hitter 274 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:48.440 through seven? My answer immediately was no. Derek Shelton has forgotten more baseball 275 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.920 than I'll ever know. There's too many times in sports radio, twenty four 276 00:24:52.920 --> 00:25:00.559 hour sports we act like we know when we don't necessarily do. My favorite 277 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.640 things is when you talk to parents, Oh, he's worked so hard. 278 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.920 Well about a second. All these kids work hard. Like we wanted to 279 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.119 dinner a couple of weeks ago with some friends and they were talking about their 280 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:18.480 high school son and how hard he works. I got news for you, 281 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:25.960 man. Everybody who reaches a really high level in sports is a hard worker 282 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.079 at some point. Like Ken Griffy Junior. Don't tell me just because his 283 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.240 dad played in the majors, just because he was God given talent, that 284 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.559 he didn't work. You damn right. He worked harder than we realize. 285 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.839 Okay, there are guys Trent Grisham. I was complaining about a couple of 286 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:48.759 weeks ago because he did a lollygag effort in the Yankees game. He didn't 287 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.680 work real hard toward that. But I know in order for Trent Grisham to 288 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:56.039 reach the major leagues and have a successful career, he's had to work hard, 289 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.680 all right, So I keep it all in perspective. But there are 290 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:07.079 too many times we think we know. Football is the perfect example of it. 291 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.559 We think we know what a quarterback should be doing, what a coordinator 292 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:19.480 should be playing, what an offensive coordinator should be calling. We can have 293 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:25.160 an opinion. I'm not saying we shouldn't, but it's not as easy as 294 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:30.920 we think or TV makes it out to be. I want to play you 295 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:37.400 with the Baylor head coach by the name of Dave Arnda recently said at a 296 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:42.839 Big twelve media day. Now, this is a guy who played at the 297 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:47.559 collegiate level, played at Texas Tech. He was a linebacker there. Injuries 298 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.759 cut his career short. Not saying he would have been an NFL player, 299 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:56.279 but it did cut his career short. So he went into coaching, and 300 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:03.559 he coached in high school for a year in California, and then moved to 301 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:10.359 the collegiate level and eventually was a grad assistant at Texas Tech, was a 302 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:18.400 linebackers coach at Houston, was a defensive coordinator at Delta State and Southern Utah 303 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:26.400 and Hawaii and Utah State and Wisconsin and LSU, and then in twenty twenty 304 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.960 got the opportunity to be head coach at Baylor. Since that time, he's 305 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.400 taken the Bears to a couple of bowl games. He's a couple of games 306 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:41.519 under five hundred. He was the Big twelve Coach of the Year in twenty 307 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:48.880 twenty one. In other words, he knows his stuff. Listened to him 308 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:59.960 talking about defensive philosophy or defense at a recent Big twelve media day, because 309 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:07.160 this is where you get schooled a little bit. It's about two minutes long, 310 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.000 so bear with me, and I think you're going to find it fascinating. 311 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:17.039 Listen to the language, the verbiage that this man uses with his student 312 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:22.720 athletes, and just how smart you have to be to be a defensive coordinator 313 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:27.079 and then be a defensive player in any particular system. It's not unique. 314 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:34.279 I think a lot of defensive coaches offensive coaches use the language, but I 315 00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:41.920 think you'll find it fascinating. As an example, we used to there was 316 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:47.279 a couple of years ago, this is twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, we 317 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.640 would play we'd call it red Hammer, where if it's twins out there, 318 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:56.480 two receivers, we'd have a nickel and an apex, and a safety would 319 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.000 be on number two, and if two ran and out, he'd match it. 320 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.160 If you ran vertically matched it, if two was under the linebacker, 321 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.799 he would zone the quarter and so we're playing quarters over there. But it's 322 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.839 really kind of manage quarters and the nickel, the overhang. He would play 323 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:17.240 kind of the quarterback role. Right, he'd play quarterback on his zone read, 324 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.880 and then the linebacker would be inside but would push outside play the sea 325 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.559 gap for the dive. So you'd have two for two and then any type 326 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.279 of throw, you've got leverage on it with safety, and the best if 327 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:30.799 you can gain beg and borrow the backside safety, so there's a tight end 328 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.119 the blocks and you can get this safety. You're begging and borrowing to play 329 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.720 a cover three. In a lot of ways, you can't really do that 330 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.240 anymore with the mismatches and the vertical throws. And all of it. And 331 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:47.079 so now you know we play a version of Hey, it's going to be 332 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.480 like a read or a poems if it's a run action and a pass. 333 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.519 But if it's a pass action, right, so it's not a run read 334 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.680 or a run look, but it's a drop back pass, then we play 335 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.319 it like true quarters where the nickel will play two on the out right. 336 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.200 If two is on the out and it's a run read, he's playing run. 337 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.880 The DB's handle it. If it's a pass read, the nickel will 338 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.799 then match the two. So then we can double one or use the safety 339 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:21.200 high to help with someone else. So like that's an example of where you 340 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:22.359 know, hey, there's a move, there's a counter move. There's always 341 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.839 another move, you know. I think the other thing I would say with 342 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.839 that would be the ability to run the creepers and pressure that out of too 343 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.359 high safety. Whereas before you do a lot of that as a single high. 344 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.640 So not doing it out of too high I think helps your base. 345 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.720 Too high looks. Is that amazing or what I mean? That's fun stuff 346 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:47.880 to listen to, don't you think the language? Look, I'm not saying 347 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:52.039 it's super complicated. There are certain things that if you played football, if 348 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.240 you studied football, if you talk to people who played it and coached it, 349 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:59.279 you can understand it. But there are so many things that you have 350 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.240 to take into account, so many things that you're reading. Now. The 351 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.480 thing about this is what's really too bad is that when when you see something 352 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:14.680 like this, the immediate thought from people like one guy said, you know, 353 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.920 great defensive mindset, but not a very good head coach. Another guy 354 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:25.960 wrote, you know what, here's the deal. Too smart for his own 355 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:33.480 good, No wonder the defensive plays or players are dazed and confused. Two 356 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:41.160 So okay, so he's he's too. He's explaining something on what defensive backs 357 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:47.680 and linebackers are reading, what they're supposed to do, they have their single 358 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:53.640 responsibility, and the read option plays of quarterbacks, and what you're supposed to 359 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.839 be prepared for, and how you can go from man into quarters, which 360 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:06.519 is a you know, a defensive coverage from the secondary, or in cover 361 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:13.359 three, which is a defensive coverage in the secondary. Three corners take one 362 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.720 third of the field, is what cover three is. He's talking about creepers, 363 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.720 in other words, guys creeping up to the line of scrimmage. Do 364 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.880 they come and do they go after the quarterback or do they drop back? 365 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:31.640 And then he talked about mismatches downfield vertical, which obviously you know means downfield. 366 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:37.920 The mismatches are created by whom tight ends primarily. I just find it 367 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:44.400 fascinating and I love that these guys have their own language, their own lingo 368 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:50.720 that players quickly adapt. Last night I was watching the second episode. I've 369 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.559 encouraged you to do this before. I don't know if Trent had an opportunity 370 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.279 to do it or if you folks did, But I watched the second episode 371 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:02.519 of Hard Knocks in c a off out of season with the Giants and the 372 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:08.440 decision for their front office to move on from Saquon Barkley, them at the 373 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:14.480 combine, watching various players run the forty and do different things, and the 374 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.319 interviews that they had. So Brian Dabel, their head coach, brings in 375 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.160 certain players Jaden Daniels, he brings in JJ McCarthy, he brings in Caleb 376 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.599 Williams. And what does he say? He says, draw me your favorite 377 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:31.519 play right now on the whiteboard. Draw me your favorite play and how it 378 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.240 can match up with just about every defense. So they do that and then 379 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:43.000 Dable says, this, replace the X with the Y, the Y with 380 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:50.079 the Z, and the Z with the U or whatever. So the quarterbacks 381 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.279 are all erasing doing that. He says, I want you to tell me. 382 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.880 He gives them a play, and then he says, give it back 383 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.400 to me. And the play's extensive. Man, I mean it's not one 384 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:07.599 for one blast, that's not a play. Their play takes into account of 385 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:15.719 offensive lineman calling the routes, what the running backs in charge of. There's 386 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.159 so many different things that it's tough to comprehend. Then he says to Jaden 387 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:27.360 Daniels, give me an experience at home. He wants a personal experience. 388 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.079 Jaden Daniels starts to give him the personal experiences. Pause for a second. 389 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.679 Give me the play again. That I just in other words, his mindset 390 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.679 is going towards something else. But he has to recall so quickly from Brian 391 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:51.119 Dable that there's no hesitation. It's fascinating. It's great stuff. And on 392 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.840 top of that, they're getting all this information. The coaches are from their 393 00:34:53.880 --> 00:35:00.559 scouting department. What do you like about Moligue neighbors? Do you like about 394 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.519 Adonsay? What do you like about Marvin Harrison Junior, and they're so they're 395 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.760 getting prepared for the type of player that they are. Remember the kid out 396 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.800 of Texas who ran the fastest forty the wide receiver. His name escapes me 397 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:21.599 right now. Trent probably knows it. Anyway, they're sitting here watching him 398 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:25.400 run and he does a four two five forty. The record is four two 399 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:32.840 to two by Josh Ross out of Washington, and they say, man, 400 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.880 let's see what kind of competitive kid this is. He runs it again and 401 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.280 breaks the record and they're like, man, he just might have moved out 402 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:44.239 the board. They love the competitive nature of its. Xavier Worthy. You're 403 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.679 referring to Xavier Worthy, thank you very much. So he breaks that record 404 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:53.519 of John Ross and then boom, Maybe maybe that moved him up the ladder 405 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:59.719 because of the competitiveness. It's a fascinating thing. Let's go to the phone 406 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.280 lines. It's the Meyer hotline. Eight six six eight three eight forty eight 407 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.639 forty three. Who's up? We got Dave in Hudsonville. Dave, what's 408 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.119 going on? How are you? Man? Hey, chef? How you've 409 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.079 been man doing okay? How about you? Good? Yeah? Good summer 410 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.159 break? And excited that the tigers are playing well and love the topic today. 411 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.800 So I'm going to give you an example and kind of build on that 412 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.440 from years in high school coaching and administration and so forth. Yeah, I 413 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.920 had a coach one time, a veteran coach, and he brings a parents 414 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.360 in and you know, in today's society, everybody's an armchair quarterback, and 415 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:40.039 everybody thinks they no you know, and so forth. He'd say, especially 416 00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.800 in football, and you've coached, so you have an idea, you know, 417 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.400 and so forth. But he'd say, especially at the beginning of year 418 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.320 meeting, He goes, I just want to share something with you guys now, 419 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.639 just so we're all aware of this. He goes, this is my 420 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:57.360 profession. He goes, my father did this for four decades. I've done 421 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.039 this now for three and a half decades. That I am not going to 422 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.719 come into your business and tell you how to sell insurance or do banking, 423 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:07.639 or be a doctor or whatever it maye might do. And he goes, 424 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.079 I won't expect you to do that here because you really have no idea, 425 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.440 right, he goes, You're not in practice every day. You don't know 426 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.039 what goes on with this. You may think you do. But I want 427 00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.760 to tell you this too. You're all biased because you love your child, 428 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.760 which you should, and you're going to be telling your child, Oh my 429 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.960 gosh, you know you should be playing. You should be doing this, 430 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.960 you should be doing that. He goes. The people that know are in 431 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.119 practice, the players and the coaches, and he goes, so please understand 432 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.559 as we go through this that you're not an expert. So if you may 433 00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.920 have played any answers, that's wonderful, but you don't do it for a 434 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:44.840 living. And that was always tremendously powerful. And the coaches that deliver those 435 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.639 same messages to kids, to say, your mom, your dad, your 436 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:51.119 grandparents, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, whatever, going to tell you you 437 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.360 should be playing, you should be starting the private coach you hire now, 438 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.280 which is a million dollar industry. You know, they're all going to be 439 00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.280 telling you this. And the people in this room know, and I think 440 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:06.199 that, and the best programs and the best coaches introduced academic vocabulary starting in 441 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.239 their youth programs and they build it right through their high school programs. Yeah, 442 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.400 it's the same, it's the same. It's the same vocabulary. The 443 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.039 good programs have the same vocabulary. So the kids learn it early and then 444 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.000 it becomes second nature by the time they get into high school. Yeah, 445 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.880 and what you're talking about now is at the highest levels of the sport, 446 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:29.639 you know, where you're talking about this conversation you had with hard knocks or 447 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:34.119 whatever, that's when you're getting that. That's how darn good these guys are. 448 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.679 You know. It's like right now, you see the World Series of 449 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.599 Poker for millions of dollars. It's just one move. Everybody is. It's 450 00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:45.079 like a Sunday on the PGA. It's like NASCAR. Everybody is that good. 451 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.039 And it's a fine line between what makes a champion or what makes a 452 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.760 win and what creates a loss. It really is. Yeah. I love 453 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.679 the topic, but most people don't get it. Yeah, here's what I 454 00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.320 would ask you. I don't know how much you've experienced this, I do 455 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.679 believe. Look, look, parents, you're right, they get emotional. 456 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.960 I used to go to practice all the time and watch my kids in high 457 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.840 school. Used to do it every day every chance I got, and it 458 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.159 would be just about every day with all my kids. I mean, their 459 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:15.280 teammates would be like, who's that up there? That's my dad, you 460 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.119 know, just I would drive to my son's college and go watch this lacrosse 461 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.760 practice, and they actually said to me one time, I mean, we 462 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:29.280 really don't leave our practices open. And they're all stretching, and the college 463 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.880 coach says to my son, who is that up there? He says out 464 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.280 loud, and my son reaches up. He's like, Oh, that's my 465 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.639 dad. Your dad drove here to watch practice. Yeah, that's what he 466 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.440 does. It just happens. I do believe it doesn't mean that coaches can't 467 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:46.440 be wrong. Okay, I do believe there are coaches who don't always make 468 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:52.960 a the best decisions, but also play favorites at the high school level, 469 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:59.519 play favorites based on ability rather than work ethics sometimes well, and I think 470 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.400 that can be to a variety of things. I mean, any coach you 471 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.400 have your kind of guys or guys you trust, or guys you think this 472 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.800 or that you're exactly right. It becomes a philosophical peace. Yeah you know. 473 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:12.800 And so I'm sure at some point you probably coached all your kids in 474 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.320 youth sports in one or two or three U sports, as did I, 475 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.679 and there has to be a point where you're not their coach anymore, you 476 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.559 become their father. I had to go from being the coach, so sitting 477 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.320 in the first row for my first one, to then sitting in the top 478 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.920 of the gym or the top of the stadium by myself, just to stay 479 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.000 away from it, just to let them have their experience. They exactly right. 480 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.440 Talk to me exactly now, talk to them about it. Yeah, 481 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:43.079 it's such a great point, man. I wish more parents would feel that 482 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.199 way. And I appreciated, Dave, all that you've done as a father 483 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.719 and a coach, but and as a caller. I appreciate it very much. 484 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.679 Have a great weekend. I do believe there are I said this to 485 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:57.440 my kids all the time when when they would be frustrated with a coach. 486 00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:59.920 I don't care how old they were, when they were frustrated with a coach, 487 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.519 I would say to them, you go talk to them. I'm not 488 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:09.000 fighting that battle, okay. I'll support you based on what I've recognized in 489 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:14.800 practice, based on what you've told me, and based of based on how 490 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:19.599 the coach is acting. But you go talk to him. This helps you 491 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:27.000 communicate with adults, and it takes you on a responsibility path. We'll continue 492 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.480 the conversation on the other side, because that's a really good point and I've 493 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.079 got some examples. I'm sure you do too. 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