WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:12.800 Hey everybody, thanks for coming to another episode of My Angular Story. It's 2 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:17.039 me your host, Aaron Frost, and today we have as our guest one 3 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:20.719 of the Google developer experts, Martina. Can you guys introduce yourself so that 4 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:24.000 everyone can kind of hear a little bit about who you are. Yeah, 5 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:29.280 sure, Hey everybody. I'm Atina. I'm based in Germany. I just 6 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.399 moved to the east of Germany. I'm actually from the south, Heidelberg, 7 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:36.679 and i just moved to Leipzick. Yeah. Im we're developer expert now from 8 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:42.799 tune like really fresh. I'm also organized the Angle at Chairman Conference, also 9 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:49.679 the Anti Rome and for two years I'm organizing a couple of antigautu went all 10 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:54.719 over Europe. And I just love mentoring so much. And I also worked 11 00:00:54.719 --> 00:01:00.759 already as a lecturer as a university I mentored and already so many Angle workshops. 12 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:06.760 And I just love knowledge sharing and teaching things like in teaching, especially 13 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:10.400 things that love like angela. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome. 14 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:14.599 This episode is sponsored by Century dot Io. Recently, I came across a 15 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.840 great tool for tracking and monitoring problems in my apps. Then I asked them 16 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:19.599 if they wanted to sponsor the show and allow me to share my experience with 17 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.319 you. Century provides a terrific interface for keeping track of what's going on with 18 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.319 my app. It also tracks releases so I can tell if what I deployed 19 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.840 makes things better or worse. 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Oh and I also love 26 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.239 that they support open source to the point where they actually open source Centry. 27 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.040 If you want to self host it, use the code dev chat at centri 28 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:04.439 dot io to get two months free on Century small plan. That's codev chat 29 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:12.800 at Century do io. So you've done Angie Berlin, NGBE this year, 30 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:19.080 NGI D D n D and he did Angier Rome. Yes, so you 31 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:25.280 worked with web Dave and Leo exactly. Yes, Leo, it was amazing. 32 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.360 I love. I loved the Italian culture so much. It was so 33 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:34.759 amazing. Yes, that's awesome, definitely, And and you've done some ANNGI 34 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.639 Girls workshops this year as you said too. Yes, like one of the 35 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:44.080 first ones was at Anti Vikings actually this year together with Moila of Churs and 36 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:51.280 Robert like we had so we had I guess forty or fifty girls over there 37 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:57.039 and fifteen mentors. And this is something I really love to be kids. 38 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.159 The mentors they don't get they don't get anything. Of course we like sometimes 39 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:05.199 giving them some small gifts, but they're just evolved hearing. It's so so 40 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:09.479 amazing and that's that's why it's sometimes it's really like doing all this stuff, 41 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:14.560 it's really hard and it's really hard work, and some sleepless nights of course, 42 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.520 but having done all this, having done all these mentors on the events, 43 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.360 it's like amazing to see then the community helping each other that much, 44 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:28.960 and that's worth it, all the sleepless nights, it's definitely worth it. 45 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.520 I love. Yeah, that's awesome. That's a lot of that's a lot 46 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:38.840 of organizing to do. I mean, every Energie Girls event I've been kind 47 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.360 of part of some Engie girl events. That's a lot of effort that goes 48 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:47.560 into that, and doing conferences is no joke. So if you if you're 49 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:53.439 helping on two conferences buses any girl events, that's intense. Yeah. And 50 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:59.479 actually it wasn't really planned like the German conference. Do you even do you 51 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:06.280 actually know where it's called an she d No, it's isn't isn't. Don't 52 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.120 you say German a different way like in German? Like I don't, I 53 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:15.800 don't know why, Yeah, Germany. In German it's called Deutschland Deutschland, 54 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.639 and that's why we call it enchi a minus te. Yeah, okay, 55 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.040 yeah, I'm make sten that that's what I was thinking. I wasn't sure 56 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:27.399 though, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And I just like I applied their 57 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:31.240 first first, just a normal speaker, and like, and I really told 58 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:36.800 that the organizers back then, Martin, Rubin, Robin and Peter, I 59 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.240 really like bug them a lot and annoyed them. I want to have AGI 60 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:45.120 got to went over there, like it's you're you're organizing a conference with chairman 61 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:51.839 without an anti climent that can't be definitely never And that's how I somehow slipped 62 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:58.120 in like the organizing and because in one day Robin asked me, yeah, 63 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.120 Martina, you're so excited. And I wanted to have a guided tour as 64 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:06.920 well, because I love it when speakeruse I actually have this a deep idea 65 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:14.040 from Sherry as well cherry list from the antie vikings. He did that too, 66 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.040 like a guided tour through Copenhagen, and I was like, yes, 67 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.079 of course, like so many persons speakers of flying all over to Berlin, 68 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:28.160 and I wanted because Bolin is one of my favorite city, death the most 69 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.600 favorite city of mine in Germany, so they have to see the city and 70 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.000 I wanted to have a guided tour, and that's why Robin asked me, 71 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:38.839 then do you just want to become an organizer, because like you're doing already 72 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.560 so many stuff, so just jump in. And then I was like, 73 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:46.480 yes, let's go. And it was basically somehow the same in Anti Rome 74 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:50.879 because like I asked Leonardo, like I wanted to have an anti Robe Energy 75 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:56.680 Goes event over there too, and then like he really said, Okay, 76 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.680 you're traveling a lot, going onto a lot of international car inferences, you 77 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.079 have a lot of experience. It definitely would help for our organ team. 78 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:09.279 So yeah, come just jump in. And that's how I was, and 79 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:15.920 I loved the culture, like back then every other when I was a little 80 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:20.160 kid, there was a time where I was really small and little, my 81 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:27.120 family was used to travel to Italy actually every other month. So fields for 82 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.399 me, like I have Italian roots, even though I don't have, but 83 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:34.160 it's just I can speak a little bit Italian before I was even able to 84 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:39.720 speak English. And that's why, like I felt so much connected to Italy 85 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:44.279 and that's why I wanted to help them too, Like I loved I love 86 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.800 organizing things and helping people actually in supporting. Yeah that's awesome. I mean, 87 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:53.720 so a lot of people, a lot of people want to know what 88 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.199 the role of the GD is, like, hey, what do you do 89 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:00.600 as a GD? And it's like the same things I did before I was 90 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.360 a GD, Like yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, you don't change 91 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:10.959 when you become a GD, Like the GD is just Google saying that person's 92 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.600 awesome. Yeah, exactly, you were already awesome before you got made the 93 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.920 GD though, literally nothing changes, and so it sounds like it sounds like 94 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:24.920 you're killing it. And that's why I mean, anyone who can influence that 95 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:29.480 many people for good, that's awesome, that's really really powerful. Yeah, 96 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:34.600 And actually the main like for me, the main thing is like like, 97 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.759 of course, like doing this whole program, you get you get the questions 98 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:44.959 why do you want to become a GDE, and it's it's like because I 99 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:51.720 get them more impact, Like the opportunities to have more impact on more people 100 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.279 is then of course bigger because you have this whole program behind you. And 101 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:03.839 the connection, I don't know, like the first the first touch, like 102 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:09.480 the when I first connected with glees Anglo GD is basically because I'm an Angler 103 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:15.319 developer. I was really overwhelmed. I went home for it was anti vikings 104 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.160 back then, and I went home from this conference and I was like, 105 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.480 this is this is one of the best things that ever happened to me because 106 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:28.759 I felt so warm, and I was already in other communities as well. 107 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.320 But then I joined this Angler community and I was like, this is I 108 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.039 want to belong there. I want to help them, because at that back 109 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.840 then, I wasn't the GD and I wasn't even like a speakers of like 110 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.879 I was. I would say it was nothing actually, and I was used 111 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:52.440 to I was once in a conference in another country and I was alone there 112 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.120 and no one really liked was really inclusive, and it felt really bad. 113 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:03.200 So I was a little bit skeptic, kind of scared at this anti vikings, 114 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.600 and I don't know it was I was completely from the first second on 115 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.039 I joined the conference, I was inside the community. Everyone talk to me, 116 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.519 and everyone like yeah, hey, and how are you and where are 117 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.200 you and where are you from and who are you? And it was so 118 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.360 warmed and I never felt more welcome than in this community. And then I 119 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.000 just thought, like, I want to be in this community as well, 120 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.919 and I want to especially I want to give something back as well. I 121 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.519 want every single person in this world to feel welcome as well, like like 122 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:39.600 I felt at that moment. And that's the main reason why I'm so putting 123 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.360 so much effort in all these things, because it's so I want to I 124 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:50.600 want everyone to have a mentor or a welcoming person like I had at that 125 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.080 moment. Yeah, that's a it's a good reminder, you know. So 126 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.039 I feel like I've been in the the community for so long that sometimes I 127 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:07.480 forget how friendly it is here and not that other places aren't friendly, but 128 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:15.399 to any other communities pretty overtly friendly, you know, like and I sometimes 129 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.879 I think I forget that. So it's good to it's good to chat and 130 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.480 hear other people's experiences and remember, yeah, this place is crazy friendly. 131 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:31.360 And you know, creating a place where people feel safe and like welcome, 132 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.240 that can be hard, but feeling like they belong there because it sounds like 133 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.720 you feel like you belong here, like like this this place was made for 134 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.879 me. Making a place where people feel like they belong. Man, that's 135 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.960 that's that's a really hard thing to do. And so that's all you know. 136 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.639 And I think Sherry is great. I think that the organizers of Engie 137 00:10:52.720 --> 00:11:01.440 Vikings are really well focused on that type of inclusivity. And so yeah, 138 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.039 hey folks, this is Charles Maxwood and I just launched my book, The 139 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.960 Max Cooter's Guide Defining Your Dream Developer Job. It's up on Amazon. We 140 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.879 self published it. I would love your support. If you want to go 141 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.960 check it out, you can find it there, The Maxicoter's Guy Defining Your 142 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.519 Dream Developer Job. Have a good one, Max out. Yes, I 143 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:26.240 mean I think as well my first Angler conference that it was the anti Vikings 144 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:33.559 was the best choice, one of the best choices. Directly, I don't 145 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.600 know it does. The whole time, I wasn't even able to reflect what 146 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:43.720 I'm seeing, like actually, because everythink there was no moment like I thought, 147 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:48.080 oh no, I'm a little bit alone or having some sad thoughts or 148 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:54.480 whatever like, because actually I never I I traveled a lot, like in 149 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.519 Germany and like the countries around Germany, and that was like one of the 150 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.879 first times I really flew a lit little bit farther away. And so okay, 151 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.480 I knew, of course already Robert and he was there as well because 152 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.720 of an enjuela, because of the INTI girls you went. But then I 153 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:16.080 didn't know anything. And at the moment I and I can repeat it again, 154 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.320 the moment I entered the room, I was really overwhelmed, like everyone 155 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.879 just came to me and asked me who I am, and really like because 156 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:31.000 at that moment, I was already nominated for the GD and so I asked 157 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.039 some persons how it is, or like how to become a TD or what 158 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:39.799 they might the interviews will be about, and everyone was like, yes, 159 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:46.519 come on, I mean, like I met Juan Herrera over there and he's 160 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.559 one of the most amazing persons like I ever met as well. And he 161 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.799 just told me, yes, for sure, you will become a TDE like 162 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:56.720 what you're telling me, what you want to do in your life and all 163 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:01.960 the mentoring. There's no question about that. I think the most scariest thing 164 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.200 is always to think something like yes, but you have to know you have 165 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:13.279 to be an Angular expert for that. And I think, like, of 166 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.840 course you you have to. You have to know Angular for being an Angular 167 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:22.080 GD. But it's not only the main focus of being in GD. Yeah, 168 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:30.399 an expert, like a developer knows Angular. An expert is more than 169 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.960 that. An expert like and I'm and I'm trying to build on top of 170 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.120 East. I'm agreeing with you. An expert can teach it as well. 171 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:41.559 And like not only can they teach it, like they really enjoy it, 172 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:48.159 and they they're constantly looking for opportunities to share, right, And we all 173 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.600 share differently, like all gds, we share differently. Some people. There's 174 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.759 some gds they're not speakers like you, right, they're not. They don't 175 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.759 do a conference, so they just sit on stack overflow and not just and 176 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:05.840 they have like five hundred thousand score because they answer any other questions all day 177 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:11.279 long or javas from questions right. Others write blogs, Others do video truturals, 178 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:16.000 others do conferences, people like you do conferences and other things, and 179 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.759 so it's like, yeah, like every GD is a bit different in how 180 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.559 they go out and they share with people. But the commonality there is you 181 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.759 are an expert, you are a good developer in the technology, but you 182 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:33.399 also are like really good you focus similar for opportunities to share. So yeah, 183 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:41.159 I totally agree with you. Yeah, it's something really funny sometimes because 184 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:52.039 I talked lately to a person he actually is studying mathematics, and he told 185 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.799 me, yeah, he loves to be a mentor in mathematic even though maybe 186 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.120 like remotely, and I completely immediately jumped, like jumped onto it and that 187 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:07.600 because like that's something as I love mathematics and I once I wanted to study 188 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.519 mathematics, but then I decided to study computer science with a lot of mathematics 189 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.919 into it actually, and I completely jumped into it and said, yes, 190 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.799 come on, let's do this and we can we can maybe create something like 191 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.600 a remote teaching for mathematics. And he and he was like, Okay, 192 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.440 wow, I never even thought those like this could be even possible, Like 193 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:35.799 and that's something I think it's really great or that really makes a gd EGD 194 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:43.159 is like that you connect people and that you really give opportunities and it's it's 195 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.960 as well, it's something like it's really important for me because I always hear 196 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.000 persons around me no, I can't do this, and I hear this sentence 197 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.120 so many times. I can't do this. I'm not able to because I 198 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.039 don't know enough about it. I'm not an expert. That's something really like 199 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:02.480 since I became Actually, yeah, I hear the sentence I'm not an expert 200 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:06.720 like you, or I'm not like an exper world like you, or I'm 201 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:10.279 not like that. I want to do a lot of conterance talks. But 202 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.840 it's not that it's not I think my one of my life mottos live philosophies 203 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:21.600 is you can do everything if you really want to, but as but as 204 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:27.440 well, like you should make your strengths stronger and you should not focus on 205 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:33.080 your weakness on your weak points. So if you don't like, if you 206 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.559 don't like to do conterence talks, then maybe you're good in writing blog posts 207 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.720 or you maybe are really helpful in answering all the stag over flock questions, 208 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:47.480 And that's pretty great too. You don't have to jump on the stage and 209 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.360 like talk about if you don't like it, then just don't do it. 210 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:56.200 Be more stronger in your strength, and just focus onto that. So that's 211 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.799 what I really try to tell all the people out there. It's just if 212 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.319 you don't ever say the sentence I can't do it, because you can if 213 00:17:03.359 --> 00:17:08.119 you really want to, and then just focus on it. Yeah. Yeah, 214 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.519 there's a there's a lot of people that that they look at the GD 215 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.000 program and they're like, how do I get in? It's like, well, 216 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.680 if you're just doing the right things, people usually approach you like that's 217 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.599 a lot of how That's a lot of how I think a lot of gds 218 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.640 get in is people come to you and say, hey, why don't you 219 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.640 join a GD program? At least that's how it was with me and a 220 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.240 lot of the other people I've interviewed. Someone someone came to them and said, 221 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.640 hey, you seem to be like a GD, why don't you interview 222 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.160 and so so, yeah, it seems like if you're doing the right things, 223 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:47.160 you're gonna get you're going to be part of it. So well, 224 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.319 so what are what are some of the things you're excited about in angither right 225 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:56.359 now? Yeah? Well basically IVY. Yeah, I mean, Garrett, 226 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:02.559 Like the moment I heard about IVY, I was completely freaking out because I'm 227 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:08.240 really interested in the whole compilation process, like in general, like it wasn't 228 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:15.160 a fel engine and the template engine before and now IVY and so like I'm 229 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.960 doing a lot of talks and research about IVY, and now of course finally 230 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:23.079 last week, last to last week with the first release candidate, we get 231 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:30.039 IVY now by default. And and it's it's so funny because I'm actually right 232 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.480 now I'm writing a blog and another blog post. I'm writing an article for 233 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:37.839 a German magazine. And I started writing it and made all the screenshots and 234 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:42.960 everything of course about his private API as well, like the defined component and 235 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.640 everything, and yesterday I did it, did it again, and then I 236 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:55.279 saw they completely the factory component factory and the component definition that splitted it, 237 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.279 and I was like, ah, okay, that's that's pretty cool. It's 238 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:03.240 a pretty cool idea. But now I have to change everything, and yeah, 239 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.039 it's so, it's so but somehow this is so I know that other 240 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.960 like friends of mine. When I'm telling this to friends of mine, they 241 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.880 always like, this is excited exciting for you that they have so many things, 242 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.880 like you look at the code and you're so auphoric about it. And 243 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.680 I was like, yes, this is so exciting, Like, I mean, 244 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.279 this is such a smart idea to do it like that. I mean, 245 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:30.079 it's it's so Yeah. That's something I'm pretty excited about right now, 246 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:36.880 the whole IVY and the whole possibility now to have all this dynamic component loading 247 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:41.799 and that you might don't need the engine models at all anymore. And this 248 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.720 this is a development. I mean, I'm not even talking about all the 249 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:49.720 other benefits like a smaller bundle of size IVY is bringing, but just the 250 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:56.720 whole possibility you can just load everything without having antine models, just like the 251 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.920 component itself dynamically. It's it's gets so much easier with IVY. It's so 252 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:07.440 amazing. Yeah, that's what I'm comney really exciting about. That's awesome. 253 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:14.839 We uh at the gd summit a few weeks ago. You didn't go, 254 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.400 No, I I right now, I have a lot of I moved. 255 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.319 I had a movement from Manheim life sick, and there was quite a lot 256 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:29.359 of stuff right now going on in my private life and I had to Unfortunately, 257 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.400 I had to say no to because it's just two Yeah, it wasn't 258 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.480 able there. They gave us, you know, just some updates. They're 259 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.160 saying, hey, it's coming soon. They asked us to all try it 260 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:44.119 out. So I got in and I tried it out this weekend. I 261 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:49.440 have a I'm on a pretty large ngpate project and it went well. We 262 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:56.440 had one air, but it it largely worked like the app ran. Even 263 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:57.880 with the one air we had, the app was working. So I was 264 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.400 like, oh, that was a lot easier than I was expecting. So 265 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.400 yes, so yeah, people should that. I guess I'm gonna recommend that 266 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:14.039 people should get in and try the new ID. People should go in check 267 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:18.319 out uh you know, the upgrade migration blog and like hey, nGy, 268 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:23.079 update the cl I and the core and then see if your app works. 269 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:29.680 Like that's really what you're trying to do. So everyone, that's my recommendation. 270 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.400 If you're listening, Yes, get on your project. Make a branch 271 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.119 called test branch or whatever. Yeah, don't don't do it as a master, 272 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.400 because there's some things automatically do commits and you should be a master. 273 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.480 Go into a branch and then you know, try and do the update and 274 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.279 and see if your app works, because I was surprised to find that it 275 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.400 did. So they've they've done a really great job on this and just swap 276 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.920 out of the view engine so that we can our apps will still all work. 277 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:03.119 But yeah, so Adventures in Angler is a dev chat dot tv production 278 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.759 made in partnership with hero Devs. Hero Devs is a group of Angular experts 279 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.039 who can help your team code like true developer heroes. If your team needs 280 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:17.119 an Angular expert, reach out to Aaron at hero dot dev today. Yeah, 281 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.039 I mean, like I get, like the whole team they focused on 282 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:26.039 this backwards campability and like they had this compilot introduced, like the Angular capability 283 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:32.839 compiler as well for all the other libraries that first compiling all the files into 284 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:40.039 typescript ivy file a capability file and then like teachralscript. It is amazing. 285 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:45.079 I mean, it's like but I had exactly the same experience like you, 286 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:51.519 I had a pretty a pretty big project and it just worked and I was 287 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:56.599 like, holy, this is really this is so great, and they're always 288 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:02.680 like always tall, so all the people like just just do it and if 289 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:07.960 there's something, tell it to Aaron on myself and we will we will forward 290 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:12.039 it as well of course, like yeah, this is this is so funny 291 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:17.440 as well, because I'm telling everyone just give me a project, and I 292 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:19.599 really I'm so excited, like, Okay, I will upgrade it for you. 293 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:25.799 I'm searching right now so many open source projects as well, and friends 294 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.799 of mine they developing, who developing Angular? Give me your project, I 295 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.640 will upgrade for you. I want to see it. Like in most of 296 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:38.480 the times, it just really works, yes, I uh you even you 297 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:44.680 don't even have to do that much manual steps actually, of course, like 298 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:49.319 we're talking about maybe seven eight to nine. If it's like two, two 299 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:53.599 to nine, it's it's a little bit different, of course. Yeah, 300 00:23:55.519 --> 00:24:00.720 yeah, seven and nine there's a bit more, six to nine more, 301 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.799 but yeah, eight to nine was not amazingly easy. Yeah, basically, 302 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:14.799 get out there, upgrade today right now, go update, turn out the 303 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.119 podcast, wait for the podcast in, and then go update. Cool. 304 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.119 Well, so Martine, if anyone wants to get in touch with you, 305 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:26.720 ask you questions, figure out how to get you engaged in their conference or 306 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.519 meet up or whatever. What's the best way to get a hold of you. 307 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:34.720 I get my Twitter to M, so always open. Just I don't 308 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:41.880 know. I didn't even recognize. At one day Twitter disabled the opportunity to 309 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.960 trust to M someone I guess, and you have to turn it on manually 310 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.240 again. Like you received d ms from everyone, And I was pretty shocked, 311 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:55.160 actually because I I told so many times, yeah, just put me, 312 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:56.720 just send me in the M. And then once a person told me, 313 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.640 I can't even though I'm following you, I can't. It's like that's 314 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:07.319 that how anyways? So yeah, my dams, I'm answering emails like actually 315 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:12.279 I tried to answer it in between a couple of days, and just ask 316 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:18.440 me any kind of question about of course, IVY is my main focus point 317 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:25.079 right now, but you can ask me anything even Like another topic or I 318 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:30.000 love to talk about is actually web as sambly Wow. I like web assembly, 319 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.240 this where you can actually write any programming that in theory, you can 320 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:41.079 write any program language, compile it to a so called binary format. You 321 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.920 can even run in the web pross and you don't even have to install a 322 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.279 blog in you can. It's crazy. This is crazy because there's no Flash, 323 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.519 there's no Java applets. You can't just write C plus plus or Rust 324 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:59.319 and compile it and just having it like in running in a web process. 325 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.119 And this is Yeah, there's another topic I love to talk about and I'm 326 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:08.599 really into it. Actually an organizing a couple of meetups and a conference as 327 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:15.799 well about it really really Yeah, what's your Twitter handle is so that people 328 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:22.160 can touch you? Yeah, yeah, it's Martina Klaus eleven. Martina Kraus 329 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:27.000 eleven. Eleven is really important, like it's my choice number in basketball. 330 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:33.279 You're a basketball player, okay, cool? Yeah, like since I'm able 331 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.720 to walk, I played basketball already. Oh good, that's cool. Twenty 332 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:45.160 five years now, that's awesome. Okay, Martina Krause eleven. If you 333 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:49.880 have any questions, her dms are open. It sounds like so and it 334 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:55.519 doesn't even have to be angular of ab assembly related, just like, hey, 335 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:03.400 I also offering mentorship for first time speakers or any kind of mentorship. 336 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.960 Like if you say, oh, I'm maybe not good enough, I don't 337 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:12.079 like the sentence because you can always practice and you can always don't think that 338 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:17.759 you're not good enough. It's I always telling like persons coming to me and 339 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.279 telling me, oh yeah, but you're the angular expert, and I don't 340 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:26.039 know. And I think the only difference is that I just did maybe some 341 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.480 more angular project that the person then. But that doesn't mean that I'm betther 342 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:37.079 or that I'm so awesome. I just had more practice. So and at 343 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.920 one point it should you have to just start to You can always reach out 344 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.880 for me and ask me any kind of questions. I'm always happy to help. 345 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:52.799 So as you were talking, is now it just hit me. I'm 346 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.079 going to make a prediction. I don't think I've ever done this on the 347 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:03.200 show. I'm going to make a prediction. My prediction. And if this 348 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.759 ever comes true, someone's got a tweet out at us, You're gonna work 349 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:11.839 for Microsoft one day. Uh. They keep hiring all the cool gds to 350 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.759 come and do like dev avengels, and I'm predicting you're gonna they're gonna come 351 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.519 and try you to get like work for Microsoft. So that's my prediction, 352 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.319 Martina Krause is We're gonna go uh at Microsoft in the next year. That's 353 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:33.480 my prediction. So yeah, thanks so much, because you mentioned that all 354 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.519 the most awesome chitty is are working in Microsoft, so that you're applying that 355 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:45.079 I'm really awesome too. You are awesome, but I don't think that you 356 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:51.559 like their other really really awesome chit you. But I had to rubor you 357 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:57.559 that so many actually like I mean, I mean, Sherry, I mean, 358 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.279 I don't want even want to start on the pouch. Yeah, I 359 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.039 don't even want to start this list. It's really really amazing. And yeah 360 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.039 there's tons of John Papa well seem yeah, yeah, there's so many. 361 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.039 So yeah, I'm making that prediction. Microsoft keeps on hiring to meet people 362 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.039 people, so I'm predicting it. You heard it here. First, Martine 363 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.559 is gonna work there. All right, So let's move on to the pick 364 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.640 section of the show. I'll go ahead and I'll go first. Okay, 365 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:33.519 so picks. I'm gonna do an angular pick for people doing reactive forms and 366 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:44.000 you're doing custom form controls. The value Control Accessors API. Whoever simplified the 367 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:48.720 value control accessor API and like made form controls so ridiculously powerful. I just 368 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:55.240 I'm picking whoever did that, because the value control accessor makes doing forms so 369 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.640 much ridiculously easier than it ever has been before. So I'm picking value Control 370 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:07.759 Access inform Virtual. Second, I'm my son. He's a he's a he's 371 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.480 a boy scout, and so tonight we're going and we're doing this thing called 372 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:15.880 the Pinewood Derby where you make a little car out of wood and then you 373 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.799 have to race him and see who wins. So tonight's the Pinewood Derby. 374 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.799 So I'm picking Pinewood Derrby. If you get a chance to do Pinewood Derby 375 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:29.599 with like your your kids or your nephews or your neighbors or whoever, do 376 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.559 it because it's a lot of fun. So so yeah, those are my 377 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.440 two picks. Do it has to be? Does it have to be two 378 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.319 picks or no? You could be one hundred, you could be one. 379 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.319 You can have as as you want. Okay, I just post. I 380 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:47.319 want to post a link inside the chat. Okay. Yeah, it's a 381 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:55.640 pretty awesome blog post from one of my most favorite inspirational persons who inspired me 382 00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:03.319 pretty case you ready, Okay, you worked in coin Base USA and like 383 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:08.079 that. The article is about how to stay motivated and one thing I really 384 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:14.000 admire her, like in generally maybe my pig is her whole person personality. 385 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:19.240 Actually, she's really awesome because she she's from India and she moved then to 386 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:26.759 America and she's really hard working and she just in this blog post it's about 387 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.519 how to stay motivated. That it's more like it's not like you have motivation 388 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:37.839 and then you take action out of that. It's more like just move your 389 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:42.519 ask something and take the action, take the call, and then the motivation 390 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:48.279 follows. Like she described it with something like she stood she had to get 391 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.599 up really early in the morning because she wanted to actually go to the gym 392 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.359 and for a run, but she drank some wines the night before, like 393 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.440 and and but she just did the action and then she was like in the 394 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.160 gym for two hours because then the motivation came. And this this this blog 395 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.920 post, I actually read it yesterday and it really inspired me. But like 396 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:14.559 in Sharnie, her her whole personality really really is inspiring, and I would 397 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:19.920 suggest everyone to follow her and to see what she's blogging about. And she's 398 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:25.200 actually like really into like an expert in the blockchain topic as well, and 399 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:31.839 she's really amazing awesome. My second pick I want to like is not it's 400 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:37.160 a topic. Actually, it's just find something that scares you the most and 401 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:43.920 just do it. Something like you're you're scared of bungee jumping, or you're 402 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.640 scared of like paracliding or something just like that, something really extreme and you 403 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.119 reckon the moment you and you did, you're doing it, and the moment 404 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.799 you recognize you did it, you feel really empowered. You feel really like, 405 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.720 hell, I can do everything. And I guess it's I mean, 406 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:05.799 of course, when you're scared against fighters, you kind of change it because 407 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:10.240 fighters are really horrible. Yeah, I'm just kidding. But it's just just 408 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:15.079 like, do something that you think you can't do, and just do it. 409 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.039 Don't think twice about it, don't overthink it, just do it, 410 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.359 and then you feel really empowered, like and then you really will go out 411 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.519 of this and think I can do everything, and trust me, you will 412 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.880 do everything. You can really do everything. Then all right, so you've 413 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.920 you two times you've said this, and I was I was going to skip 414 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.680 the pick. I got a third pick now. So there's a key and 415 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:49.200 Pill video on YouTube. It's called you can Do Anything, and I want 416 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.599 I'm picking the key and pill. You can do anything. Video. It's 417 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.119 in the show notes. If you know Key and pill are and you haven't 418 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.559 seen this one, go watch it. And I'm dedicating it to Martina, 419 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.599 So thank you. Yeah, all right, Kay, Martine, thanks for 420 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.680 coming on. It was good to get to know you better. I've I've 421 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.360 seen you on the community and I appreciate the chance to chat with you and 422 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.760 and kind of let the community kind of know who you are and to know 423 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.840 you myself. So thanks for coming on. Thank you so much for having 424 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.159 me. It was really an honor, even though, like the last time, 425 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.800 it didn't work, but I'm so thankful that you invited me again. 426 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.599 Yeah. No, I'm glad you came. And uh to the listeners, 427 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.800 I will say thanks for coming and we'll see you next time. Bandwidth for 428 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.800 this segment is provided by cash Flight, the world's fastest CDN. Deliver your 429 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.840 content fast with cash Fly. Visit c A, C H E F l 430 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.360 Y dot com to learn more.