1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,759 We happened to have three members of Stepsis here with us live in studio. 2 00:00:03,879 --> 00:00:08,839 William, Melissa and Zachie b are all here. Welcome, Hey, hello, 3 00:00:08,919 --> 00:00:12,000 good morning, and welcome to the new uh the new studio here. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,039 You all haven't been here since we moved. I am taking in. I'm 5 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:21,760 basking in the yon Beyonce. It is absolutely gorgeous, isn't it nice? 6 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:25,000 This is a major upgrade. This is so much nice there, and I 7 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:28,640 don't it's crazy because I didn't want to say that going in because I didn't 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,280 know, like what the deal was with you guys, you know, departing 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,479 that the other place was nice too. Yeah, this is this is this 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,159 is great in our own building, our own name on the building. We're 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,399 not hidden on a third floor somewhere. And that's what I was going to 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,799 say. I usually get more exercise when I come and visit you guys. 13 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:51,799 Yeah, the old place, you would you would never even know that there 14 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:54,119 was a radio station up there. There was nothing on the outside of the 15 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:58,920 building that would indicate that there was anything right that the facade is great. 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:06,000 You're right across the street from Premiere Manchester Live Music Duel Ye Yeah, and 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,760 that's a very important place, isn't it. I just think it's location wise, 18 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:11,560 it's great. I love that you can just walk right down there. 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,120 I love than you guys are even closer to where I live now because I'm 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,760 right next to CMC. So I'm like, oh wow, like I can 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,120 see them from my house. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And like 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,439 for us, like when we play Manchester, we played Jewel. Yeah yeah, 23 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:30,719 so when we play our hometown, we play our hometown venue and then 24 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:34,400 you guys are right across the street. Yeah. Yes, Literally, Jewel 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,959 is important because I mean, we all know what's coming up. That's right, 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,879 warmy, that's right, that's right. No, we're doing we're doing 27 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:47,840 two stages this year, and we should. We did two stages last year, 28 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,000 and I was terrified because you know, I've never done it before. 29 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:53,519 Yeah, anytime I'm doing something I've never done before. See, I wasn't 30 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,239 terrified because I knew NH Booking had done festivals with two stages before. So 31 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,319 I was like, I kind of get the eye. Do you have how 32 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:05,079 they run? Richie told me not to be terrified, but but I still, 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,599 you know, I don't blame me something I do. I don't blame 34 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:14,319 you at all. Terrified with one stage event coordinating. It's not like being 35 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,560 in a band, you know, it's being in a band is not there's 36 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:22,879 not so much people pleasing, but that there is an event coordinating. Yeah. 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,919 I mean you got the guests, but you got the bands and all 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,639 the all the bands come with their own personalities and their own requirements, and 39 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,840 if you're coordinating the event, the thing you really want to have happened is 40 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:39,599 everybody to leave that night and want to do it again. Exactly. Yeah, 41 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:44,560 that's so hard to do, you know, exactly. That's a good 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,240 way of putting it. Yeah, and when is it for our listeners who 43 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:53,759 who don't know? So for the tradition where we're continuing to do the first 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:00,960 Saturday of November, so this year it will be on the second. So 45 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,800 I'm going to try to keep that tradition. But we really want to stay 46 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,400 away from the Halloween shows. Yeah, because you get that that cluster of 47 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,960 Halloween shows. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, that's true type of 48 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,360 show. Steps it doesn't do is Halloween shows are Saint Patrick's Day. So 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,560 we're trying to keep it more closer to Thanksgiving, you know, Thanksgiving show 50 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,439 sure. Sure on my calendar. On my calendar it says Swarmy Fest Day. 51 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:30,719 I love that. Yeah, I love it. So uh now who's 52 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:32,319 going to be playing this year? And are you still adding to it? 53 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:38,680 Yeah? I can't tell. And that's that's because this year we're going to 54 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,800 do like a band a week, so it starts next month. Us in 55 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:49,280 an h booking will probably release a band a week, so each week heading 56 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:53,919 towards Swarmy Fest, we'll have bands to learn about as it goes. I 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,199 like that. I like that every band will have their own flyer, every 58 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,360 band will have their own We're gonna try to we're gonna try to, you 59 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,159 know, do really well with the images and the artwork this year. And 60 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,840 so when will that When will that start? When you when you release the 61 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:13,319 name of I would love I would love it to start at the beginning of 62 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:18,319 July. But we got this thing called rock Fest coming up. Oh tell 63 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:25,000 us about that? So so we we have we have a second album that 64 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:30,199 we're trying to complete, we're pretty close, and then we have this you 65 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,959 know, building Swarmy Fest, and then we have rock Fest. So but 66 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:42,199 between these three priority events, it's been it's been challenging to juggle all of 67 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,360 them, no doubt, and and keep it balanced. And that comes down, 68 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:48,959 Matt. It comes down to money, money in pre production and planning 69 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,879 and in quality, because it's like, if we have the time to get 70 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:59,079 something done the quality that we predict or expect or hope or plan it to 71 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,160 be right, and then you have like your budget and like how you're going 72 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,199 to be fiscally responsible. I don't know how the bands do it, but 73 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:12,680 we're a business, so we have to be also like fiscally responsible liquid and 74 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,920 inventory, and so when we have merchandise, we're a direct to consumer style 75 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:26,959 gift shop, so we depend some artists depend on streaming. We depend on 76 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:33,680 hats, t shirts, stickers, meeting people, streams, broadcasts. So 77 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:39,319 we're a little more touchy pheely. I guess well, in terms of the 78 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 merch I mean that is where the money is anyway, really, I mean, 79 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:46,160 you know, for us, it's also where the discovery is. What 80 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,439 do you mean we're a brand? So that's that a lot of times people 81 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:55,480 discover us not through our music map, people discover us through podcasts, live 82 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:59,240 streams. A lot of times when people ask how do we get booked? 83 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,839 For big shows or or how are we getting big opportunities. It's never the 84 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:08,199 music. It's never the music. It's never my guitar playing, you know, 85 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:14,160 it's never songwriting. It's it's it's people. People resonate with the message. 86 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:20,519 People lock into a human wavelength. And and people vote. You know, 87 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:27,480 used to do politics. People vote for who they like. You know, 88 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,040 it doesn't you know, people don't. People don't vote for who's right 89 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,240 or wrong. People vote for who they like. People want to people want 90 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:40,399 to feel good man. And and so we're in a hospitality business. We're 91 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:44,240 entertaining people. We're in a business and making people feel good, you know, 92 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:48,959 keeping people informed. And we're we're a polarizing group. So people love 93 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,959 us or they don't. But that proves that we have to output. So 94 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,120 we're always we know as a band that our job is constantly looking for our 95 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:06,160 fans. So that's that's the move. And anytime that you have quality and 96 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:10,279 you have your budget and you have the time to do it, you have 97 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,480 to sacrifice one. So that that's kind of the road to Swarmy Fest right 98 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:20,160 now and releasing our next album. A lot of our friends that are in 99 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:24,800 bands, they've released eight albums, seven albums. Sure, Sure, Me 100 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:30,720 and Melissa didn't record and release any professional music until twenty twenty, as you 101 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:35,480 know, that was a difficult time for people to do anything. But we 102 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:41,759 don't have we don't have albums prior to twenty twenty. So I mean this 103 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,040 is our four this is our fourth year anniversary since releasing almost eleven and we've 104 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,839 had a few singles since then. But we don't want to be a band 105 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:55,839 with a catalog, an enormous catalog, where great music in the streaming world, 106 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,959 where great music the people could discover might get lost in a sauce. 107 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,600 Sure, So we're again like quality, timing and resources. We're not a 108 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:09,759 forever band and we're not made of money. So we want we want our 109 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:16,439 we want our legacy to speak in terms of quality and care and craftsmanship, 110 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:18,800 you know, and we want to resonate with the people that really matter the 111 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:26,720 most it can benefit. So Rockfest has been a tremendous undertaking because plane tickets 112 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:31,720 are staff. You just I don't know if people understand the scope of how 113 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:37,279 large these festivals are, you know, thirty fifty thousand people. We're also 114 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,159 the finale band, so we gotta we got to be on the We got 115 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,759 to be on the field out you know, for twelve fourteen hours and then 116 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,240 still be able to hang and play our set. We're playing an hour set. 117 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:56,320 Yeah, we play Wisconsin. We're going to be flying out there and 118 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:03,120 we play as soon as Jelly Roll gets off, no kidding. Yeah, 119 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:07,440 that's a great opportunity in the sense of rock Fest. It's cool because we're 120 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,559 the last metal band or rock band that you're going to hear for the fest. 121 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,159 Like, so as a finale band, we have a we have a 122 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,320 tremendous opportunity. People leave before the headliner a lot of times so they can 123 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,320 beat the traffic, sure, you know, and people that are there for 124 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,639 rock and metal, if they're not there for Stepsister, they're going to leave 125 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,799 before Jelly Roll, you know, if they're not fans of country or Jelly 126 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,679 Roll whatever, whatever, that's going to be. So people that are like 127 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:46,000 traditional hardcore and metal people, we know that if they stayed that they're staying 128 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:50,240 to watch the set, and we plan on putting on when hell of a 129 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:56,320 show. To believe me, We've got a whole new performance planned for this 130 00:09:56,519 --> 00:10:03,159 New dance moves really taken our time to upgrade our stage package. So like 131 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,480 we've got new gear, new an, your monitors, head rushes, all 132 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,240 kinds of stuff. It really takes it really takes time, like figuring out 133 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,440 what the tools are going to be. The world's changed a lot, so 134 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,960 in order to go across country twenty five years ago, you might have to 135 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:28,879 rent big amplifiers or you know, to carry on bags and then you know, 136 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:31,720 if you check a bag, you know, hundreds of dollars to try 137 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:39,919 to check in luggage. And so luckily our band has been using technology for 138 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,639 a while that we don't we don't bring on big amplifiers anymore. All of 139 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,639 our technology you can put in a bag, except for the drums. So 140 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,120 but we had to we had you know, we had to drop ship all 141 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,159 of our merchandise, rent drums out there, and it's all it's difficult. 142 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,720 You want to go to you don't want to go. I mean a lot 143 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:11,080 of a lot of bands get the opportunity to play large festivals and in their 144 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:18,039 defense, not of not a lot of people have the team and the budget. 145 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:20,639 That's all going to come together, Like we all come together and we 146 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,960 sit down and we go, you know, how how can we come together 147 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:28,679 and make the most of this. So like for us, we planned for 148 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,840 nine months. Yeah, you know, because because we're not rich, but 149 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,679 we plan for nine months. That way we can chip away at things and 150 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,279 we can work together as a team. So we go, how are we 151 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,279 going to get this merch table filled? You know, there's a lot of 152 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,360 small bands like us that might have this opportunity and it's great. They play, 153 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:50,559 but they have nothing to leave, but they just they haven't planned how 154 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,600 they're gonna Like for us, I don't want to give all the tricks the 155 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,399 trade, but we literally sit down with think tanks and go, well, 156 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,960 how are we going to make a connection. How are we going to make 157 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,360 our live performance different from the other bands? How are we going to use 158 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,679 the twelve hours? What events? What are we going to do each of 159 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:13,120 us? What are we going to do to add value to the company. 160 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,960 What are we going to do to get people in front of that stage? 161 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,000 What's the priority list? And we kind of we kind of work our way 162 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,279 down and check the boxes and go what do we set out to achieve with 163 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,039 this? Because a lot of people get a chance to play Swarmy Fest or 164 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:31,559 a big stage or rock fest and it's fun, right, and of course 165 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,519 making money is cool and on all of that, but what do you set 166 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,480 out to achieve long term? And that's that's what's important for us. Maybe 167 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,240 that might differ from some other acts is we know we're going out there representing 168 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:50,080 New Hampshire, New England and not a lot of not a lot of heavy 169 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:56,600 metal and hard rock bands from New Hampshire ever get this opportunity. Yeah, 170 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,000 well, what you're talking about too requires I mean there's a degree of discip 171 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,440 into that, right, all that planning that that not everyone. There's contracts, 172 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:11,559 there's discipline, there are rules there, you know, safety and and 173 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,320 the thing that a lot of independent artists don't want to talk about is investment. 174 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,240 We invest in ourselves, not and not just money. The time Melissa 175 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:26,399 spoke on it earlier, I mean, we don't just sit around. In 176 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,960 practice, we're rehearsing for this thing. You know. We take each show 177 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:35,120 in each stage as a special case. We're looking at blueprints, we're looking 178 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:41,559 at stage plots, and we're trying to make each each show and each experience 179 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,279 unique. Have you always approached it that way or is that something you kind 180 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:50,799 of had to develop over time? Melissa, I would say that was something 181 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,639 that we've always done. We've always tried to we've tried to stage performance. 182 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,960 In the early days, who used to say we were like a it's kind 183 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,080 of funny, it's like a compliment now, but they used to say we 184 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:11,200 sounded like a like a like a wasps nest, like a shaken up bag 185 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,120 of b We had this great idea, but it was kind of all over 186 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,480 the place, you know, earlier in the scene we were kind of known 187 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:24,679 for being zigging and zagging. But we've got such an incredible team in lineup 188 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,960 right now. This is the first time we've worked with musicians in the band 189 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:33,679 that me and Melissa didn't have to train. Oh interesting, interesting, Yeah. 190 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,120 So and of course, my brother Salvatore pants back on drums. He's 191 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:45,960 a legacy members he's the longest member of Sebsist ever. So, so we're 192 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,840 back with our original drummer, and we have a whole new staff and revitalized, 193 00:14:54,200 --> 00:15:00,840 re energized group. And this is the first time we're working with musicians 194 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:05,360 and instrumentalists and staff members that are familiar with the project and and want to 195 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:11,559 be here and and that are benefiting from the full features of the project. 196 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:16,600 And this is the first, this is the first group of people we've worked 197 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,919 with professionally that I didn't have to train myself. Now, what do you 198 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,960 mean when you say when you say trained like that, like either train, 199 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,080 I mean you don't mean literally teach someone to play. I mean literally teach 200 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,600 people how to play instruments. Really of course, Yeah, that's and that's 201 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:33,960 that's that's not that's not a knock, you know what I mean. We've 202 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,600 had a lot of people that have been really positive contributors to the project. 203 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,080 But in their defense, this music is really unique and when you listen to 204 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,360 it, it sounds like something everybody should be able to play, and that 205 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:52,600 we designed it like that. We designed the music so so it sounds like 206 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:54,720 it should be easy to play. Well, some some of those guitar solos 207 00:15:54,759 --> 00:16:02,759 you play do not sound easy to be but instrumentalists. And maybe I'm wrong, 208 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,679 but we've had a lot of people pick up the sticks or try to 209 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:07,639 pick up a guitar. I mean, let me get it, let me 210 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,720 get a shot at that riff and then get to work and around it. 211 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:14,600 And and it's one thing even if you work it out by yourself, but 212 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:18,120 getting five or six people in the room and everybody doing it together and having 213 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,159 it all work out is really ambitious. So yeah, man, I've had 214 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,320 to teach people how to play instruments, but I've also had to teach them 215 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,279 how to play sepsis because it's not just like playing guitar. It's like playing 216 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:34,879 stepsis. It's a whole another monster on its own. Yeah, it really 217 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:38,080 is, It really is. Hey, I want to ask you all about 218 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:44,360 streaming. Yeah, you mentioned it, and and you you've posted a lot 219 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:48,120 I've seen individually and as a band. You just actually really over the last 220 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,879 couple of years, I've seen a lot about I think you did you pull 221 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:55,080 everything from like that you had on Spotify and all that. So I'm really 222 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,440 curious about this. So yeah, that's you know that, that is a 223 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,559 great question, because they're not. I think you hear that a lot for 224 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:07,119 effect. You hear a lot of people doing that for good stories. Now 225 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:12,079 we're pulling from Spotify and the only reason why we haven't, the only reason 226 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:18,440 why we haven't is because our first album we signed a record deal right up 227 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,640 you know we were Oh yeah, I remember you talking about this, so 228 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,759 you know, me and Melissa. We were excited just like any other artists, 229 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,680 you know, and you know, we had A and r's all over 230 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:32,000 us when we came out with our first music. When we you know, 231 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:36,920 when we hooked up with Glenn Robinson and our lives started to change. We 232 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,720 could hear our music for the first time. Yeah, we started making and 233 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:45,480 once you hear your music, you start making it differently. We started writing 234 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:47,599 it now as much we could hear it, we could organize it and make 235 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:49,039 it differently. And then we just got a lot of A and rs and 236 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,200 record labels, and it's just like, just like they tell you not to 237 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,039 do it, we did it, you know, just like, what do 238 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:02,079 you mean to just tell you not to be naive? You know, give 239 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,480 yourself time before we we we make the music us as artists, and then 240 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:08,440 as soon as the music's done, we're waiting for somebody to validate us, 241 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,759 you know, exactly, waiting for somebody to off you know, you put 242 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:15,759 all of your life into it. You've practiced, you've invested, you went 243 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:19,079 broke, you almost got evicted, and then as soon as the music's done, 244 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:22,799 as soon as we're getting out of the studio, we run out and 245 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,240 give it away. This is why Lexi doesn't allow me on the merch table, 246 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,839 because I'll get, I'll give because I want people to wear the shirts. 247 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,759 I want people to wear the hats. I want to give it all 248 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:37,839 away because because meme Less are sad artists that love making music. You know, 249 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,599 we want to get our name and we want to be your friend. 250 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,160 We want you know, and we want to do we want to play on 251 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,680 stage. Isn't that silly? But but like but that's you know, so 252 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,119 Memeless and Zach, we're doing this a lot of time. You know, 253 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:53,240 it's it's sad, but because we like it and we're having fun, and 254 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,559 this is this is really a family for us. This is really we're really 255 00:18:57,599 --> 00:19:02,319 best friends in this band. So this is our time we can sneak away 256 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,119 and be with each other and and you know, and be human and enjoy 257 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:10,400 and live fully. This is this is how this is how we live fully, 258 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,000 you know, by seeing people get sober through our music and and people 259 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:21,799 to survive with our music. And people have grown up with our music now. 260 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:27,240 So you know, we signed the record deal and I people say, 261 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,200 you know, you should sign it. You should talk with a lawyer, 262 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,960 you know, when you when when you sign a record deal? And I 263 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:37,359 did, and my lawyer told me, don't sign a record deal and I 264 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:40,599 and I didn't listen to my like, I didn't listen to my lawyer, 265 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,480 you know. So people tell you to do these things, and I did 266 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:49,000 these things and I ignored everybody and me and then and then and then me 267 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:53,160 and Molissa signed the contract and and then that was that, and we're still 268 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:59,720 to this day. It's funny, we're making CDs for for rock Fest and 269 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,279 I've been fighting with my record label forever. They can't stand me. But 270 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,240 so so you're still you're just to be clear, you're you're still locked into 271 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,440 that. Oh? Absolutely, really that is yeah, that is a very 272 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:17,000 real thing. Okay, yeah, Sony Orchard Orchard Okay, oh yeah, 273 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:21,079 I'm familiar yeh. But but it's not the it's not their fault because all 274 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:26,240 of these are acquisitional like companies, you know, like like it's like Sony 275 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:32,039 doesn't sign people, They just acquire companies, right, you know what I 276 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:40,880 mean? Laels, And yes, the music industry is an acquisitional you understand 277 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,440 this. But when I tell my friend this, they think I'm they think 278 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,079 I'm making they think I'm making stuff up. Now, I taught myself there 279 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,680 that they think I'm making stuff up. But I so you understand it. 280 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,920 No one's ever looked at me in the last year and said, oh I 281 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,680 get that. Yeah, well you just threw me off there. But there's 282 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,559 a lot of uhl dation. That's the word I was looking for it. 283 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:06,880 And all the artists and and all the the labels, they're all still even 284 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,200 though we all know it's kind of silly, they're all still counting and playing 285 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,440 off the mystique. Sure, you know the magic and mystique. Everybody goes, 286 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,680 well, how did you get signed? I was just in the right 287 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,960 place in the right time, and I played the right chord, and Melissa 288 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 came out and the wind blew, and then you know, a record company 289 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:26,599 scout happened to walk in offered you a ten album out to l A and 290 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,319 right. No, we were taking we were taking good pictures. We have 291 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:36,960 strong social media. We got a great producer, h Melissa is a killer 292 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,920 host of the page, and and and and people can see that we're willing 293 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:48,680 to invest in ourselves. We're in A and R's dream because yeah, because 294 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,400 that's what labels want now. You know, they don't want it. They 295 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,359 don't want to do the A and R. They want that already done, 296 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,279 all set. And we're a perfect target. Yeah, we're a perfect titic. 297 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,599 These guys. These guys work hard and and we really want it. 298 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,400 You know, if you if you go and you approach some kids, eighteen 299 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,039 nineteen year old kids, they might change their mind. You know, they 300 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,640 might get a girlfriend stuff like that. Right, You know, folks like 301 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,799 us, we're perfect because they go. You know, these guys know how 302 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,839 to pay their bills. These guys are fiscally responsible. You know, they 303 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:27,519 can play their instruments. We've made mistakes, but not many of us have 304 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,519 made the mistake. And they're all waiting for that. They're all going to 305 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:36,480 get you. All of all of our all of our friends and our deepest 306 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,200 closest celebrities in contacts in the industry. It's all happened to them too. 307 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,440 We're just the only band that talks about it. We're the only ones. 308 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:49,359 There's no there's nobody that talks about it. It's it's a very because it's 309 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:55,799 embarrassing. It's embarrassing to get taken because because we're counting on the mystique of 310 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,920 being tough rock stars. We're brilliant. Nobody can take advantage of us, 311 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,480 and you know, we're such experts, right and and it and it kills 312 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:10,759 artists to go, I'm not an expert. I'm ambitious. I developed my 313 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,599 identity when I was a child and and I and I and I want to 314 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,559 be like the guys that I saw on my wall and on the posters. 315 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,960 And that's and it's harder than ever to do that, right because in the 316 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,200 social media era, it's you know, whatever mystique you can, you know, 317 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:29,960 managed to have, it's harder than ever to hang on to that. 318 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,799 The low is lower and the high is higher, so the career climb and 319 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,839 whatever. You know. We live in a society now too that like whatever 320 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,440 you whatever you're not driven to do, and whatever you haven't honed the talent 321 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:48,839 for, you're you're encouraged to buy it. Everybody's the DJ, everybody's a 322 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,319 model, everybody's a you know. So we're in we're we're in that time 323 00:23:53,359 --> 00:24:00,039 now where content creation is one of the fastest growing industries planet. Yes, 324 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:07,640 on the planet, yep. So that's why I meant it earlier when I 325 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:14,039 when people say How did we get to open up for Jelly Roll at Rockfest 326 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:18,480 by going live on Facebook? Man? How did I get a record deal 327 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,039 by by having great social media and Melissa kicking butt? You know? Yep? 328 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:27,640 But that I mean that that's how we're It's not because the guitar. 329 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,400 Yeah, you know, it's never it's not the music. But you still 330 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,680 need the music. Well, I mean, I mean, if you're a 331 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:38,279 conduit, I mean, if you if you do everything else, but what 332 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,960 you put out isn't of quality to work, of course, you're not gonna 333 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,519 be able to keep people. So this is we're We're not a viral band. 334 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,640 You know, we were talking about the career climb. We're a longevity 335 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,359 band. And that's what I meant about not having fifteen albums a marathon, 336 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,759 not a sprint for us. It is for us. It is we waited 337 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,000 our whole lives to be adults. We also make adult music, and a 338 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:06,559 lot of people are catering to a younger crowd, to kids and child format 339 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:11,799 entertainment. Me and Melissa are you know, we do the adult thing, 340 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:18,759 So we make music for adults. Our music is adult themed. Some kids 341 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:23,359 like our music, but our music is our demograph is for grown people with 342 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:30,400 bills and boyfriends and girlfriends, relationships and you know people that my dad's a 343 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,640 big fan. By the way, are you serious? Yeah? Yeah, 344 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,440 But my dad is unique. So my dad, he's in his seventies, 345 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,160 but he's never been he's he's highly unusual in the sense that he loves hearing 346 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,279 new music. He lives on the sea coast, so he listens to double 347 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:48,279 Oh, he listens to w U n H the Great College Wow, because 348 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,759 he's he's he's never been like, you wouldn't get in a car with my 349 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,279 dad in her oldies on the radio, It wouldn't happen. That's a great 350 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,000 station. Yeah oh yeah, yeah, I grew up listening to that. 351 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,079 Yeah, oh yeah. Radio is wonderful. But my dad, yeah, 352 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,319 he's always been like he's sipper than me actually, Like he'll ask me about 353 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,119 artists that I'm not even familiar with. I'm like, no, I don't 354 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,599 know them. But yeah, he's always he's always been like that. But 355 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:14,319 but he's a big fan of Sepsis. See, he's not crazy about the 356 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,680 name full disclosure, but he's not the name that I forget how he said 357 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,559 it. It was funny, but he loves your music. That's awesome. 358 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:26,640 Yeah, I appreciate that, and you know I don't I don't hold anybody 359 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,839 that doesn't hurt our feelings because I'll tell you now more than ever. You 360 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,440 know, as you as you get older, you know, you go you 361 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,240 start thinking about all the band names that you that you loved grow you know, 362 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,039 growing up. Yeah, you know I loved you know, Cannibal Corps 363 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,319 and yeah, you know, you got Butcher Babies and now you know, 364 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,640 now a middle aged guy, I'm going, you know this is crazy. 365 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:53,240 Yeah, sepsis and butcher babies. Thrat. You know, when when we 366 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,359 need the name of the band, we didn'tame we didn't really name it after 367 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,000 the medical term. Yeah, me and Molissa didn't know any better. You 368 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,519 know. We just were like, let's name the band something cool, yeah, 369 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,039 you know, and let's make sure that we can have it on Google. 370 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,559 That was our big thing. Oh yeah, really mean anything? Ye 371 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:17,400 yeah yeah right. I just thought it sounded dangerous, and you know, 372 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:21,559 later on we found out all the all the things that happen when you grow 373 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,759 up. Yeah. But yeah, so so Spotify, So are you still 374 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:32,400 there or did you pull? So? I'm sorry about that that's such a 375 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,799 crazy thing. So I would, you know, I would love to. 376 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,000 I would love to pull our music off of Spotify and do a massive press 377 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,160 release. I would. I think that would be so much fun. Oh 378 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,319 so you haven't pulled it? Yeah, no, and I can't and I 379 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,480 would like to, but there would be no reason for us to do it 380 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:55,799 now because our contract with our record label is so I can only pull down 381 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,440 my own music, and then my record label would give me the finger, 382 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,839 you know, and say, well, you can't pull hours, And I 383 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,319 was I was making a joke because we're wild and rebellious and lawless heavy metal 384 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,680 band. I'm always breaking rules, so you know, I'm not supposed to 385 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:17,640 make the record label mad. But we know we're going to Rockfest and I'm 386 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,200 not supposed to really go through anybody else, you know, for direct to 387 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,240 consumer products. So I'm like, I'm gonna back door these dudes, man, 388 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,440 go make my own CDs. And you know, we went to we 389 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,000 went to one of our partners and we started to generate the CDs and immediately, 390 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,359 you know, immediately we got cont Immediately the paperwork came through and we 391 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:44,799 got copyrighted. Yes, So I mean this is like yesterday, we're like, 392 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,240 oh, they're never gonna see it, like we're moving it around. 393 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,440 And that's how that that's how strong the technology was. Like we got an 394 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:59,200 email with less than twelve hours of them going your record labels complaining and we're 395 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,279 gonna need written permissions and all that. I said, man, this man, 396 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:03,799 forget it. So we got, we got, we got another year 397 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,039 with those with these guys, and then it is one of us. They 398 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,960 only thousands of dollars. Really, yeah, of course that you hear that. 399 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,960 You've heard that, you know when you say to you like the bands 400 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,720 and the the you know, t LC said it and Bobby Brown said it. 401 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,799 You can Flip Knot said it. You can have a multi platinum album 402 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,200 and be broke. Absolutely, yes, man, it's it's not an unusual 403 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:30,160 story. This is a wild thing. No, they took they took all 404 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,680 of our money. Man. Yeah. And then I I confronted them and 405 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,880 I said, you know, you're stealing my money, and they said, 406 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,680 well, we're going to continue to do it. Cause if you're if you're 407 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,640 if you're already wealthy, you you can hire uh an accounting firm or a 408 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,480 lawyer to do an audit but but when you're not already wealthy, they know 409 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,839 they've they've got you. And and remember what I said about acquisitional companies. 410 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:03,839 So what they do, okay, what record labels do is they acquire a 411 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,279 whole bunch of promising, smaller artists and then they have their boutique or white 412 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:15,920 glove artists, Okay, and they sign all of us, not because we're 413 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,240 terrible, because we're really good. You can't really sign terrible people because you 414 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:26,440 need people to go forward through the process, and the only type of people 415 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,160 that are going to go forward and complete the signing process are driven people like 416 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:38,079 Melissa, right. So they need people who are willing to commit and that 417 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:44,880 are good because people that don't believe they're good, people that don't believe they 418 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,079 deserve a shot, aren't going to go and complete the process because the process 419 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,839 is hard to get a record deal. So only driven people that I mean, 420 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,880 you find somebody in their thirties that have been practicing their whole life, 421 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,640 They've invested their whole life. You know, they got great music, they 422 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,839 got great they start asking themselves, well, why shouldn't I be signed? 423 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:08,359 This type of mentality is what A and r's look for And what happens is 424 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:14,200 is they acquire a whole bunch and then they throw it at the wall to 425 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,839 see what sticks, right, but most of them. And there's only there's 426 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,680 only a limited amount of people that are allowed to be successful at the top 427 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,880 at any given time. So there's only a limited amount of people at the 428 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,880 top that have the success model that we're all willing to learn from. So 429 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,640 what happens is is they acquire a bunch of smaller, really good artists and 430 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:45,440 they keep them below aligned. And the reason why is if they if we're 431 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,240 not making enough, all right, or if they can claim that let's say 432 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,640 there's a lot of returns, or they can claim that, okay, then 433 00:31:53,519 --> 00:32:00,440 then they're always counting on us not making enough to go to court and litigate. 434 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:07,480 True, they're trying to rip you off just enough where me and Melissa 435 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,039 aren't going to spend ten grand and fly to Chicago and sit in a crimeroom, 436 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,440 right exactly. So I mean, if we were litigating tens of thousands 437 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,960 of dollars, then I can get on, Then I can get an entertainment 438 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:24,759 lawyer and we could throw punches. But if they're doing nickel dime nickel dime 439 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:30,839 exactly. And if you have three hundred artists on your label and they're only 440 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,839 making three hundred dollars a quarter, but you have three hundred artists acquisitionally each 441 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,400 quarter you're pulling in half a million. But none of the small artists are 442 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,599 realizing they're part of this half a million pool, right, So like, 443 00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:47,880 oh, do you want to take them to court, Melissa, Oh my 444 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,720 no, Well this quarter they only got us for two fifty. Yes, 445 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:57,119 but they got three hundred other bands for two fifty during that quarter, four 446 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,720 quarters in an entertainment season, and for all that, you're you're at their 447 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,200 mercy. To the point where a very common horror story in the music industry 448 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,319 is that you know, you record an album for them and they decide to 449 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:15,559 shelve it. You do all that, and and you don't have the rights 450 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,240 to your masters, and they just say, no, we've decided we're not 451 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,680 going to release it, or maybe we'll release it in the future, and 452 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,000 it's like and and and and we tested them on this theory when we came 453 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:29,720 out with the song. You already know it wasn't really it was more like 454 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:34,200 a rhetorical that we wanted to test the company to see what they would do. 455 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,519 Really, we predicted that we well, yeah, we started to say, 456 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,200 okay, these guys are shelfing us. Let's throw them another single and 457 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:44,960 and and see if they ask for money. You know, so we we 458 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,759 we use you already know as a single, and we set up a booby 459 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:52,160 trap to see how they would to see if we could confirm that they were 460 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,079 shelfing us. And they, yeah, they and they one hundred percent, 461 00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,880 you know, they wouldn't release that they wouldn't release the single want So they 462 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,279 didn't want They only wanted the song under the condition that we released it after 463 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,599 they were done promoting their boutique artists. Okay, yeah, because obviously it 464 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,519 came out. I thought that they were taking all of our money and pushing 465 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,840 this boutique artist. I'm not going to say the name because I think it 466 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,159 would be unfair. I don't even think they know what's happening. Yeah, 467 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,920 yeah, so I think they were taking, you know, two hundred of 468 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,159 us. They were taking our money acquisitionally, and they were pumping it into 469 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,480 this to the to their White Glove boutique bands. Yeah, and they didn't 470 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,519 like the timing, so they didn't so and I saw them doing this, 471 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:37,400 so I said, man, let's go to the studio, make a song 472 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,159 real quick and see how they react to it. I'll say, we'll do 473 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,199 the best we can on it, yeah, you know, like sonically, 474 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,719 yeah, yeah, like we'll bring it up to radio threshold, will we'll 475 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,119 we'll hit notes like let's yeah, let's let's just see what they say. 476 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,920 Yeah, you know. And and of course when they when they got the 477 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,239 track, they made every excuse for us to go back to the studio. 478 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,760 For us, they started playing games and trying to redirect to the studio to 479 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,400 buy time, you know what I mean. So we played it with them 480 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,039 for a while and just proved it just you know, just proves that you've 481 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:12,679 got to find the beauty and everything. And if if it wasn't for this 482 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,920 relationship, I would not have been able to run competitive campaigns against my own 483 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,320 record label. Like in in the process, I realized that steps is acquisitional. 484 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,079 So just the same as these guys are doing to other people, we 485 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,800 can learn the same tricks as legacy right holders and shareholders too. Not everybody, 486 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,000 We're not. They're not the only people that can play that game. 487 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,119 So you know, so our time that we've spent with our record label. 488 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:43,360 You know, we've been making best friends with everybody on this staff. And 489 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,840 you'll learn and you'll learn, so that's good. The other thing that people 490 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,159 don't know about labels is that I think is as interesting, is they actually 491 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,320 don't mind if they signed If they sign artists and they end up losing money 492 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,039 because maybe they advance you a bunch of money, and and and the whatever 493 00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,199 you record doesn't generate enough money for them to recoup them money the advance. 494 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:07,400 They don't care because it's if it's a loss on the books that's actually helpful 495 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,400 to them from an accounting standpoint in terms of taxes. Yep. It's the 496 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,000 same thing that the movie studios do. You know, every every major movies 497 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:15,760 studio, every year, they they they've got at least a couple of movies 498 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,840 that bomb, that end up losing money. They don't mind. They don't 499 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,639 mind at all because that's a tax right off. So they don't mind losing 500 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:29,760 some money. No, I mean, after every big show, there's always 501 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,920 you know, five or ten T shirts that we don't mind giving out. 502 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:38,199 Yeah, I mean it's real, yeah, yeah, absolutely So what so 503 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,559 you're you're on that label for another year. You said another year. That's 504 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,840 the It's so there will be a Spotify steps this showdown. Yeah, there 505 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,599 will be huge, guaranteed, it'll be huge. But then, so, 506 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,840 what's what's the motivation though to pull from Spotify? Why do you want to 507 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,639 do that? Because there's because they're thieves. Yeah, because they hurt people. 508 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,719 Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't want to hang out 509 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,840 with people that hurt people. Even even major artists complain that. You know, 510 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,840 it's it's pennies for for and for us for us, it's not. 511 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,599 It's not just what they're doing, it's what they're gonna do. What do 512 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:20,280 you mean? Spotify is not a music company, you know, it's a 513 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:30,000 stealing company. So if you're into Marcus Aurelius or Confucius, they can't be 514 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:34,719 resurrected to collect royalties. Do you get what I'm saying. Yeah, that's 515 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,559 why the move to audio books, that's why the Spotify will take whatever whatever 516 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:43,199 it's not nailed down, oh, podcasts, pornography, anything, religion, 517 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:51,800 anything, pot You understand, Spotify is in the business of stealing people's work 518 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:58,719 and ideas and then not paying them for it mm hmm. That's the game, 519 00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:05,679 right, And I know it's it seems obvious, but it really is. 520 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,079 It really is. Tupac can't come back to life and argue about mechanical 521 00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:14,199 royalties. That's true. And so that's why you see your point. That's 522 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,199 why you see spot That's why you see spot cat, Spotify moving to podcasts, 523 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,119 that's why you see them moving to towards audio books, because it's not 524 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:30,039 about music. It's about owning data. It's about farming data. It's about 525 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:35,719 adding to machine learning, and it's about being able to predict your your shopping 526 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:42,079 habits. It's not about music. It's about creating bundles that people will sign 527 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:46,840 up and do subscriptions for. And when you subscribe, they are data mining 528 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:52,800 your demographics where you and it's the same for Netflix and grub hoob. And 529 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,239 this is an app world. This is a technology world, not a music 530 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,760 world. So Spotify is in the tech business, not the music business. 531 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,880 Yeah, and that's why they don't care about musicians. Yeah, they're actually 532 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,920 I think now because we've talked about it on the show, I think for 533 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,079 the first time, they're starting to cut a lot of people loose, like 534 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,320 like if like if you don't have like if well, I know for one 535 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,920 thing, they're not they're no longer paying you if you don't meet a certain 536 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,559 threshold. Yes, in terms of money that you've accrued for streams, they're 537 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:24,480 just not going to pay you at all, like you have there. They're 538 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,159 establishing thresholds. But they're also I think they've reached a point where because in 539 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,199 theory anybody could upload music to Spotify, but now they're starting to like artists 540 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,360 that are uploading like demo quality stuff, they're just saying, that's why I 541 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,599 said the lowest, the lower Yeah. Yeah, they're starting to kick people 542 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:47,960 off. Yeah, and and and they're also they're also following the predictable path 543 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:55,519 of adding tears with high fidelity audio. Like it's twenty twenty four. I 544 00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:01,000 think that that's weird that Spotify doesn't have high quality the audio, but apparently 545 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,880 you have to pay for that too. So you got to understand how ridiculous 546 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,519 this sounds. Like Stepsis is a band and we mix and master at the 547 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:15,840 highest quality that technology is provided, but when you upload it to Spotify, 548 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,920 they knock it down to low quality music can so this this is why, 549 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,920 this is why we wouldn't want our music on Spotify because like bands like Stepsist 550 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,840 make high quality music, right, but Spotify charges our fans to listen to 551 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:36,760 our music at high quality. That doesn't make sense. Our fans should be 552 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,559 able to have the quality of the music that we created it at. Yeah, 553 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,800 now is it? Is it a double edged sword? Though? If 554 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,119 you do pull, if you do pull your music from Spotify, does that 555 00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,199 hurt you in some way to not be on Spotify? Not not us? 556 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,800 No, no, we be we our band doesn't benefit at all from streaming 557 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,960 on Spotify. Yeah. Yeah, the bit a big thing that that the 558 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:07,440 big I guess, the big lure to Spotify when when it's not we all 559 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,159 know it's not money. When you talk to when you talk to even big 560 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,079 artists, they'll tell you it's not money. The thing that they'll tell you 561 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,480 about Spotify, the big reason why we're all supposed to be excited to be 562 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:23,039 on it is for exposure. Stepsus doesn't need that. Yeah, I mean 563 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:29,880 it's so so. And in order to get exposure on Spotify, you have 564 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,400 to give them more money. You have to pay for our keys, you 565 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,920 have to pay for advertising campaigns, you have to pay to be on these 566 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,039 discovery that's payola. We all know in radio that's illegal. So you're a 567 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,400 radio guy, you know, in radio that's illegal. It's a crime. 568 00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:53,360 But because it's streaming, it's not a crime. So we should we should 569 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:59,400 clarify just for people who don't know. So payola refers to and radio and 570 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,199 and back in the day, you know, if you were a DJ, 571 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,280 for example, somebody might might give you an envelope full of money, right 572 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,360 and say, hey, play this song for me, right. Basically, 573 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,960 I mean, that's that's a little reductive the way I explained it, but 574 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,880 just to give people the idea, and that's that is illegal. You can't 575 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,360 it is, And I guess I mean there's all sorts of legal ways to 576 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,840 do this as as anything, but yeah, that is illegal. Our big 577 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,639 mission has always been a big statement, and part of our brand has always 578 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,559 been like fairness man, and what we've learned from the record label, and 579 00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:38,559 like we weren't really a band with much of a mission before all of this 580 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:40,639 this stuff we had to work through, you know, but I can pay 581 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:45,960 for sure that one of our you know, one of our slogans is you 582 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:54,159 know, fairness, you know, and being inclusive and mutual and that's why 583 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,000 we do all the podcasts, that's why we're teaching people all the time. 584 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:07,559 And people are convinced that being on Spotify is going to get them exposed to 585 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:16,360 someone. But that's not true because subscribers that subscribe and pay for Spotify, 586 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,760 they only listen to under fifty artists a month. Yeah, so this is 587 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,960 not a This is not a device or a gadget or gizmo, as much 588 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,880 as they liked you to believe, it's not one that's invested into discovering artists. 589 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,400 That sounds cool in a Facebook post. That sounds great when you're trying 590 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,400 to sell your technology, that sounds great, you know, But this is 591 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:49,239 this this idea came from the same guy that used to work for you know 592 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:55,480 you torrent and and bit torrent sure and sites that that you know, these 593 00:43:55,559 --> 00:44:01,239 these pirate sites. Well, we're in a business of stealing data and media. 594 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,800 So if you Daniel Eck is the CEO of Spotify, and if you 595 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,880 know who Daniel Eck is, you got to start in. You torn and 596 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,320 you know you torn in places like lime wire or pirate or pirate Bay. 597 00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:22,000 We're illegal websites that mastered specialized and we're experts at stealing data and media in 598 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:28,119 movies and games and music. But that's also why these services exist, like 599 00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,599 I just like Spotify exists because of Napster. Yes, yes, and so 600 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,679 and and and and when we talk about this in plain English, it means 601 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:45,280 that we went from stealing and outright piracy to streaming. We're only one degree. 602 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,159 We're only one click and then and in two decades we've only moved one 603 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,760 degree from stealing. So when people are like, why why is Spotify a 604 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,079 difficult place to be, it's because we haven't moved the needle, Matt, 605 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,760 We're still that close to stealing. Now, think of in terms of this, 606 00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:06,960 you know, we just had June Juneteenth, right, think of think 607 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,079 of think of like we think if we only move the needle that much in 608 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:15,280 slavery, right, think if we move the needle only that much in women's 609 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,599 rights. It's it's that simple, Like, well, with women's rights, 610 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:21,960 we just moved the needle back. I hate that. I hate that, 611 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,559 but I'm not going to do it to you. I'm not right, I'm 612 00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:27,119 not gonna do it. I just exploded the other day on that I'm not 613 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,679 gonna do it. But that's separate. Yeah, we'll do that another time, 614 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,000 right, but but but in the same sense though, in the same 615 00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,920 sense, it's like we haven't I know, we're supposed to be this advanced, 616 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,840 you know, society, and this is supposed to be you know, 617 00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:45,400 the land of the free and the land of opportunity and Spotify I will tell 618 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,079 you that, you know, that's the big advertisement, is that you know 619 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,760 that we're going to get exposed and then it's so all this opportunity. But 620 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,320 if you know anything about Daniel Ck and where he comes from, he comes 621 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,280 from stealing media and music. And he just said recently that what do you 622 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,800 say, Zach, that the cost of music or the cost the cost of 623 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,199 content creation was nearly zero. I can't believe that. I mean, this 624 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,920 is this He said this last week on Twitter. He said the CEO of 625 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:23,159 Spotify said the cost the he seems to know how much stepsists budget is I 626 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:28,599 guess, but he said that the cost that musicians he doesn't play any instruments. 627 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,960 Yeah, this isn't a guy that's been on stage or sings or anything. 628 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,840 But he seems to believe that the cost of creating music for musicians in 629 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,960 the modern day is zero is nearly zero. He is out of his mind 630 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:47,320 soenter lately. Yeah, so, I mean that's so. You know, 631 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,800 years ago when they were selling us this technology, it was gonna open up 632 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,199 opportunity and musicians, we're going to be able to help themselves paid to rent. 633 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:01,440 And we don't have a I'm musicians minimum wage yet, right, and 634 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,519 we're working on it. I think the Musician Minimum Wage Act is asking for 635 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,360 a penny a stream. Well that that's a I'm not aware of this. 636 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,320 Oh you'd love this. This is a bill right now, Okay, right 637 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,360 now, there's a bill and everyone loves it. It's called the Musician's Minimum 638 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,519 Wage Act. Everyone should go look it up and everyone should go sign a 639 00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,679 petition. Everyone. Oh you got to get into this. Yeah this got 640 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,920 this got passed me. I'm embarrassed to say that, but yeah, I'm 641 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,119 not aware. Oh please write this down. Maybe, well it's being recorded, 642 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,880 that's true. Well, if you're at home and you're listening to this, 643 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:38,880 yeah, yeah, I got to write this down. If you're a 644 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,400 musician, if you're a band, look up. Yeah, the Musician's Minimum 645 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,480 Wage Act. Okay, it's really cool, interesting, very interesting, a 646 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:51,679 cool thing to get behind. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm glad we 647 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:53,000 were able to get in all that. I love talking about that stuff. 648 00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:58,159 But as we approach the top of the hour, we should probably circle back 649 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:02,360 to all the exciting things coming up and well, we've got a second album 650 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,760 coming out called Take the World by Swarm. Yes, and we've been releasing 651 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:13,280 singles for this over time rather than you know, just dropping the bomb all 652 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,519 at once. Yeah, We've got a new song coming out soon called the 653 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,840 bath Water, which is going to be featuring our merch girl Lexis Swarm on 654 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,840 Screams excellent. We're super excited for this one. Well, we'll be making 655 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,239 a music video for this as well, so cool, stay tuned for that. 656 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,559 Yeah, our new guitar player, Hot Sauce drops a cool solo on 657 00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:37,760 it too. Okay, yeah, some really different, some really cool. 658 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,360 So that'll be on the new Is that gonna be on the new album? 659 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,440 Yes? Yes, And Romance and Reality will be on the new albums Yeah, 660 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:51,159 okay. Cool. Awesome rock fest we mentioned earlier July twentieth and caadat 661 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:59,400 Wisconsin and Bravo Fest September twenty eighth at Charlie Bravo's Connecticut. It will be 662 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:08,519 will be a Hot Rods Spotlight Lounge in Connecticut also on August thirty first. 663 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,440 That we got a couple of things. We've got a couple of things going 664 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,199 on. Yeah, yeah, you're you're not a band that like plays like 665 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,159 tons and tons of shows and oversaturates, which I which I respect. We 666 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,760 try not to do that because some some bands do. I back in the 667 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,599 day, I used to play in bands that would do that. You know 668 00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:29,199 people people won't. Well, you know what the issue is that you keep 669 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,800 telling the same people to come to the show, and then you know it 670 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,480 loses its sauce. Oh yeah, you want to give people a break. 671 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,639 Like I don't regret it because there was a time when all I wanted to 672 00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,960 do was play. It's also a different time, but people had time to 673 00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:46,880 pray back then. Like people prayed, people went to church, people did 674 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:52,719 push ups, people played video games all weekend. People made love, people 675 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,199 went out to dance. People don't have time for that anymore. You got 676 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,639 to look at your algorithm and then go boost. You got to boost your 677 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:04,360 chart, compete with somebody, right right, Yeah, that that's true, 678 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,840 that's true. And then Swarmy Fest in November. Oh yeah, remember second 679 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:14,400 November. I would be honored. I would love if you guys would come 680 00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,400 and be a part of that this year. Everyone's excited to have you guys. 681 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,480 Yeah, we're excited. We're very excited to keep me away. Yes, 682 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,760 yes, and of course I didn't know you had a microphone over there. 683 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,360 Huh. That's awesome. And yeah, so we're gonna have eleven bands. 684 00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:35,440 Everything we do is eleven eleven songs on every album. Eleven bands. 685 00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:39,679 Why is that? Does that number have significance? It does. So we 686 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:46,440 have the album Almost eleven, which was released in twenty twenty, yeah, 687 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:53,000 through Pavement, and we named it that because the band constantly sees the number 688 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:59,840 eleven eleven one over and over and over again. Yeah, it's like numeral. 689 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,679 Yeah, I've heard. I've heard that eleven eleven specifically have some significance. 690 00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:07,239 Yeah, they like and they're like the like they call them like angel 691 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,320 numbers. We're not like, we're not like religious people or nothing like that, 692 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,599 but that's just what they call them. Yeah, yeah, no, 693 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:19,760 that's cool lore tradition, but the whole numbers, Yeah, it's very bizarre. 694 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,519 And yeah, so we're excited about Swarmy Fest and obviously we'll have more 695 00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:27,920 information about that soon. Yep. Your friends are going to be there though. 696 00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:32,599 They're coming back this year, Legion and they're coming yeah, and so 697 00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,960 they'll they'll be coming to hang out with us. They'll be there all day 698 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:42,360 Saturday. And our friends from New Hampshire Guitars Yes to be coming down to 699 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,679 I'd love to get them down here with you. Guys. They are such 700 00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:51,880 a fantastic bunch when I get when I plug the swarmy fest man, they 701 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,960 are a great bunch to have done. I mean, there's there's a whole 702 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,239 group of these guys and they're they're great players, and they are just so 703 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,800 New England and in so New Hampshire. Yeah they belong here. Yeah, 704 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,119 I could already feel it. But they got a really cool thing going on 705 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,239 in Windom. It's the only place I get my guitars TechEd at. Oh 706 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,599 no kidding. They before any big shows that I have. You know, 707 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:22,599 anytime we need like unique gear fixes, uh, stuff that nobody else would 708 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:28,039 touch. New Hampshire Guitars Man, they do the thing. Yeah, they 709 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,679 So we play on these things called head rushes. They're like computers and you 710 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,599 know, if you call Guitar Center they wouldn't touch it really Yeah. New 711 00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,039 Hampshire Guitars had it fixed within a week. Okay, all right, but 712 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,920 I mean guitar setups, bass setups, they got lessons down there. Yeah, 713 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:46,880 I mean I'll plug them to death because it's because they're really good. 714 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,519 Yeah. We met them at the at the first Swarmy Festky had a booth 715 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:53,960 in the back. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they seem like really good 716 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,800 guys. Yeah. What should people know about how to find stepsis online? 717 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,760 Where's the best place to go and keep up with every dot com website? 718 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,719 And we should spell it? It's S E P S I S S right. 719 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,760 I don't know if there is there an is there an actual like with 720 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,280 one s dot com that might confuse people? I don't know now that you 721 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:21,519 said that, wh rank, Jenny's gonna look, Yeah it has, has 722 00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:28,199 anyone ever y S I S dot org? Dot com points to a dot 723 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:35,800 org and yeah, it's basically teaching people about the medical I hope we don't 724 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,760 I hope we don't confuse people. Yeah, yeah, has anyone ever misspelled 725 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,920 your name on a flyer? All the time? But yeah, but there's 726 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,719 like, I mean, there's like forty bands named after the disease. I 727 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:53,480 mean, yeah, we follow all of them. Website is looking awesome, 728 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,239 thank you. That's that's Melissa's work there. I can't take any credit. 729 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,880 Looks great, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. A lot of content there 730 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,159 and really good, really good stuff. I'm gonna end. I'm gonna be 731 00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:06,000 a little bit selfish. I'm gonna end with my favorite Sepsist song. And 732 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,159 my dad loves this song too, by the way, this is the one 733 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,719 that I think got his attention, Eyes of Empathy. Whoa, wow, 734 00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,360 wow. I love this song. We haven't played it in a while, 735 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,480 but I never get tired of it. It's so so good. So we 736 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:21,239 will end with this. But thank you that all three of you. I 737 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,440 really appreciate your coming in today. Thank you so much for having always having 738 00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:25,840 always wonderful to see you. And here it is. This is Sepsis, 739 00:54:25,840 --> 00:55:06,000 Eyes of Empathy. Strange still Jesus see the green style and breads spread its 740 00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:15,679 wing, Si and screen streets and hill and just send them some losing hill. 741 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:32,480 The great oh my love Bill the cover sorry coms in this scene and 742 00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:52,480 I cannot be questions the breaking bocuse I spend the taking raspaking in Sam Clare 743 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:23,000 cushion through the tools of that, here's a crimson. No, you can 744 00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:34,559 never go back home. Some life on. Really, Christian May Bright to 745 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:54,880 the men, you cannot be christ through the freak to cause you can't. 746 00:58:38,599 --> 00:59:06,760 I can't find it's you joking, knee taking the man as the instruments. 747 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,880 The cold streams are going in other boy,