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of fun stuff. Good weekend, Dnny, Yeah, not mad yourself,
It's all right, It's all right, really good much anything. Celebrate my
anniversary this weekend. I know. After dinner, Yeah, where'd you go?
We went to an Italian joint in town. Yeah, pop it a
boopy, Pop it a boopy, because I would wait, I can wait
a second, Wait a second, You're not saying the name of it,
so therefore I'm going to guess you went to Olive Garden. Oh no,
no, this is not a chain, this is not a change. But
I don't want to name the restaurant because of what I'm about to say.
Service was great, weight, it was great, The host was great.
You got food poisoning. No, I'm Italian. I know what Italian food's
supposed to taste like, even in a restaurant. Okay, So my wife,
she goes, hey, I don't want to start a fight. It's
her anniversary dinner. I go, oh, I don't want to start a
fight. She was not a fight, but I don't. I don't want
to start an argument. I go, okay, what does that mean?
She goes, I don't. I don't mean for this to come out the
wrong way. But the way you criticized the calamari reminded me of something.
I said, Okay, oh, well, whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa
whoa, whoa whoa. This is your anniversary. Yeah, this is anniversary.
The way you criticize she was smiling. She wasn't like, you know,
going to like want or anything. I don't want to bring this up
now, but since what she did when we first started dating, in the
first couple of years, you know, you were very open minded, and
now you seem a little bit more. Judgment is not wrong, you are,
she is not wrong. So I said, okay, okay, now
hang on, I'll explain my piece too in a second. But continue,
I want you to think everybody's beating up on you. Okay, could you
give me some so I started laughing. Could you provide you with some examples?
Because I go, hey, let's talk about it. She goes,
no to our anniverse. I go, no, no, tell me,
well, you criticize the kalamari. I go, yeah, I've had better
klamari. I go, this is not homemade calamari in an Italian restaurant.
I expect for the price that you're paying, this is hey, frozen,
Yeah, frozen. We pulled it out of a box, throw it in
the fryar, and threw it out a da night. I worked at a
restaurant. I know what that looks like. I've had I've had kalamari,
good calamari in Rochester, and I've had mediocre klamari, and I've had bad
calamari. This is more along the lines of mediocre came of the rides.
Okay, yeah right, I've had homemade fried klamari that was amazing, amazing,
Okay, this wasn't that okay, and then later the dish that came
out was kind of sloppy. But we don't care about any of that.
Point is so you don't care about any of it. We care about We
care about the fact that it reminded her of being judgment minded and judgmental,
my friend, quick to judge, quick to judge. Okay. And I
said to her, okay, you said, give me examples there, and
she said, the KA the only examples she could give, the only examples
she could give. Yes, I don't believe. Now there's often times where
where she will come home and she's a teacher, yes, and she will
vent to me about how much teaching has become very very difficult. Okay,
more and more powers going to the students and less of what's going to the
authority figures. And you say, parents are so, and you go off.
I advise her, No, you go off. Yeah, what you
do? You don't advise? You go off? Yeah, I go off.
And sometimes I think that sometimes not always, and I'm not I'm certainly
no tash master. But if if you can learn from your failures, learn
from mine. Sometimes people don't people and I don't mean women, but in
your case, your wife, she doesn't want to hear your prescription. Yes,
she wants to be able to just vent vent And sometimes the best thing
to do when someone's venting, is let them vent and then no, no,
no hahah don't uhhuh, don't do that. See now, no,
because this is what you're gonna do. I see it already, I see
it already. This is what you do. You got what you do is
you start hying. You feel like you need to solve it. And I
think most men, I think most men, and I do think this is
more a male thing, and I hope that doesn't come off misogynistic to some
people, but I think men like to try to solve the considered fixers,
right. We want to solve the problem, and especially when it's for someone
that we love who seems to be in pain, I think that that's all
valid. But I think sometimes you've got to be able to judge what that
is. And so you know, I would always sit back. What I
would tell somebody to do now is sit back and just listen and give things
like man that like almost match their emotion, like God, that does suck?
That sounds really difficult, right, and and just let them get it
out and be on their side, and then say and then maybe say,
I don't know if you're open to suggestions, but maybe try this and keep
it simple. Less said the better, The less said the better. And
the one thing that like most guys don't do well is listen to the yan
and yan yang. Yeah I get it, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, here we go again. Mine starts right, but but your mind
starts wandering on other things and then you hear the story. Okay, well,
I'm guilty of that. I'm not a I usually I try to lock
in. You got to try to lock in. You got to give her
to the fish. I've got better at that. Yeah, But the judgmental
stuff. I think that you. I think that Danny, if I may
say, had become sick and tired of shit that you're seeing in the world.
I'm sick, and that you have thoughts on how this should be fixed
and we shouldn't allow this sort of thing and bob bah and that would be
a little more closed minded than you were. I don't want to turn into
get off my lawn guy, but you're getting there. The problem is is
that there aren't enough guys who in this country, in America, who are
willing to take at least just one step, so the rest of us feel
like they have to take ten to fix this. You know what, I'm
saying, we're taking the first step of, like, I don't know,
parenting your kids. Yeah, so now my wife has to deal with these
idiots. Okay, so your idiots, yes, but but I don't Okay,
this this will lead us into our next segment and I'll hold I'll move
think. No, this is fine. This is what I never mind.
I'm not going to get into that. I was gonna say, is just
in terms of how we do the show, But it doesn't matter. I
think that a lot of times things. Is it possible the kids behavior is
different today? Yes? Is there a lack of parenting? I guess.
I don't know what school district she's in, I can tell you, but
but there's things in every school district, so things are pretty similar. She's
in a middle school though, correct, right, Okay, those are the
fucking worst. It's the worst years. And I do think that social media
and the influence of that sort of thing. I used to kind of get
a little bit cringey as a parent when I would watch Disney with the boys,
because there was always it was like a tutorial on how to be a
smart ass. They love Zach and Cody. They lived in a hotel but
they always had these quick lines and little little singers, and I went,
my god, this is a tutorial, kid, because think of any one
of us all the way through. I don't want you to say that you
can't pick on this generation. It's just what was available. So my parents,
you couldn't have a a rated R movie in the house when I was
growing up. But I remember the first marat of our movie I watched and
I didn't have I didn't have a cable, so I didn't have I didn't
get to see all this until like nineteen eighty nine, where you had those
shows that were, you know whatever, you can even do different strokes.
They had no what you talk about willis yeah, you know that kind of
thing that everybody repeated, right, and you learned different things along the way.
People would start doing Eddie Murphy style jokes because Delirious was out and all
that. It's the same thing. But I'm like, wow, this is
a young age where it's just all it is is teaching you how to be
a smart ass or sarcastic or whatever. Now, some personalities pick up on
it, some don't, but it is a tutorial on how to do it.
So I and I think with social media, the same thing, the
pranks all that. So now you take that, well, how does any
parent control that? I don't know. And when it's middle school and it's
I mean, that's the wild West of hormones man, you know, and
all of those group that she likes teaching too, well that's the thing.
I go, Well, you can always go back to the other school,
and she goes, no, I like teaching this group. I like working
with this group. I go, okay, well, then are there good
kids? Because there was one time where after a music war, all it
can take is one bad apple to can spoil. That's why. And that's
something I had to sink in with me because all of a sudden, so
I don't looking for you to solve her problem. So, mister judgmental motherfucker
over there, okay, mister all of a sudden, get off my lawn
and let me tell you what the world I realized. I don't want to
be that guy. I don't. Then don't be I don't, but I
can't just like not acknowledge acknowledge the fact that there is a lot of just
I mean, two plus two should not equal five, and there's a lot
of that going on, like what and double knowledge? Other thing of what?
Give me an example of something that bothers you along the lines of two
plus two equals five. Your cat, your kid identifies as a cat,
needs a litter box in school to go to the bathroom. Okay, where
is that happening. It's happening all over the country. Where is it happening?
I don't want to know all over the country. I think it happened
at Gates if I'm not mistaken. I also know wait, wait a second,
hold on a second, please that somebody's gotta I know it's happened locally
Gates, but I don't know. But like, wait, I know that's
happened. There are kids. We think that there's gonna be kids that would
identify irondoquoit. Don't Webster? Would it be Webster? Does Webster have a
bunch of pussies? I don't think so. I don't think so. That's
what I'm saying by pussy cat is what I mean. There is no fucking
way that they have allowed a child. There is no way. And this
is the stuff that I don't understand why you're you're believing that. Who's telling
it to you? I've read about it where in the daily mail and you
read it in like in wait, so it's not true. I don't think
so. And I'm gonna tell you what, because there's no way that we
could have a human being going in a litter box out in the public with
health. It's a health problem. I mean, I get it. A
litter box. You know, it takes care of stuff. Unless they're doing
it, they're putting it in the bathroom somewhere. I've never heard of this.
I've never heard of this, and I'm just giving you an example.
I know you're giving me example, but here's my thing. Why the fuck
do you give two shits hang on that that's happening if it were happening,
because I will tell you that, I don't think it's happening. I don't
think it's widespread. I think that's an isolated one place. Maybe you don't
want the tolerance or whatever, and we need to conform by these rules in
this thing. Who gives a shit? I seriously, I would laugh my
ass off. I would be like, you know what, I would tell
my kids to ship and I would have done bombs away in the We'll take
advantage of that, okay, man, what they take the shape of their
containers. No, they will do whatever is allowed. Yes, but they'll
to do. But I think which is pushing the boundary. But I think
this stuff gets silly. I think the the idea that it would be allowed
is silly. Uh. But I also think that if I wouldn't, I
wouldn't. I wouldn't even go fighting it. I would tell my kids,
you're not a cat. We don't act like that in this house. You're
a human being. You're intelligent. I want you to you gotta go to
the back. I would have those conversations with my kids. But I'm not
going to tell somebody else how to live or how to do their thing.
I look at it this way. Life can be hard enough. Why do
you need me to shit on you for anything? As long as the fact
that your kid ships in the litter boxs no bare trying on my life whatsoever.
It really doesn't. What you're saying is we're tolerating this stuff, and
it's a slippery slope, and down we go, and on and on.
And I'm going to say, I don't think so. I don't think it's
that bad. I think that these things are done. I feel like they're
distractions. I think they are things for people to get upset about that have
absolutely no bearing on your life, and you'd be better off finding something else
to focus with. The age group that I'm talking about, the age group
that my wife has to deal with, is the same age group and a
little bit older. Are the same Kia boys that get around. Okay,
one gentleman ended up dead in Gates last year, was carjacked. All right,
but hold on, you're jumping. You're jumping, but you're jumping.
You're jumping. Jump. You're jumping from allowing a kid to be a cat
to someone stealing a thing. So what are you saying the lack of parenting?
Yes, well, I would think the kid who's got the cat and
the parent that pushes for the kid to have has more parental concern. And
I'm not worried about cat boys stealing the Kia. So that's why I thinking
you're you're sort of talking apples and oranges in a way, because those parents
are involved. If you're pushing to allow the school to have my kids shit
in a box, those parents are involved, Daddy, they're involved. But
that's just terrible parenting. Okay, in your opinion to say that, in
your opinion, it's terrible parenting. But it doesn't mean those kids are going
to steal the car. Do you see what I'm saying. They're probably home
letting the kid lick itself. Hey, did you lick your pause after dinner?
That's my point. You're saying that, So you're saying there's a lack
of parenting. Whether it's bad or it doesn't, it's not existent, right,
But you got to follow you got to follow the the logic on this,
because it's not fair to say that the parent that allows their kid to
identify as a cat is bad parenting. I would say it's not. It's
not typical parenting. It's not something I would do. But I don't care.
Keep your cat on the leash over there, fine, you know what
I mean? But that cat eventually, yes, it's gonna grow up,
right and may say and may grow out of a stage where they do that.
Because I've had kids and you haven't, and that sounds like I'm weaponizing
all that. What I'm gonna say to you is they go through phases.
Jordan wore a red wing satin jacket that was too big for him for like
two years, would never take the thing off and on in summer, wore
it all the time. All of a sudden, just one day, it's
over. I never said, don't wear that. It's a filthy jacket.
Why do you always wear it? I just let it go. I didn't
care because he's a kid. It's what made him feel, I don't know,
confident, whatever, that's great. No, right, it doesn't mean
is that bad parenting? If the kid do you see what I'm saying,
Like, if the kid decided to go as a cat, is that bad?
No? I don't care, that's fine. Jamison was all into his
hair. He wanted to do rags and he wanted this, and people would
tell you that that's cultural appropriation. You shouldn't allow it, you shouldn't do
this. To me, it was he really loved rappers and really wanted to
identify with those guys who didn't growing up have some kind of something they identified
with. Is it bad parenting to let your kid walk around in a do
rag when he's white? Some people would say, yes, I did it
anyway. I let it go on because I knew it wasn't gonna last and
eventually it would phase out. So why am I gonna yell at you and
yell at you and shame you for something for people you look up to who
you idolize and think are really cool, and go, that's bullshit. That's
how parents to me, that's bad. I know what you're saying. That's
I just think there's a world of difference between wearing clothes like I grew up
in the grunge grow yes, and I hear it where kids were like not
bathing on purpose for three or four days in my generation, which I thought
was ridiculous then. And I was a guy who loved those bands. But
I'm like, I'm still taking a shower, okay, But you dressed in
cords and parents were like, okay, or you had a bowl cut,
right, and it looked ridiculous. Looking back, everybody looked like was it
who which one was? The curly the priest duges, they had the bolt
cut. Yeah, my father, you look ridiculous, but hey, go
ahead, do that right, And then I realized, oh my gosh,
okay, you grow out of it. That's fine. Out of it.
But that's that's there's a world of difference between that and having the world have
to cater to your needs because you ident because you're doing something that sounds unnatural.
Yes, I will say it doesn't sound like a jerk. No,
we're having a I think a great discussion helps and I'm fully enjoying it.
Okay, I mean that because I have to get back to the Kyla Murray
in a second. I think it's I think it's a discussion. But I
would say so there's many people listening and always that could are practically screaming how
much they agree with you and love that. And I would say that I
understand what you're saying, that what the world is trying to do, and
this is where the Pendent is make everybody feel included. It is a strange
world where you have to declare your sexuality at the door. I'm gay,
I'm straight, I'm I'm this, I'm whatever, and you, well,
I think we do. I mean how many times behind our regular I think
that you know what I mean, like, we've all, we've all,
we've all done that because it's come to a world of that and that we
thought. I can tell you, as a guy who had an experience at
seven years old and then found out what gay was, I don't want anybody
to know what had happened to me because I knew I wasn't I my one
of my biggest weaknesses in life was women. I think, uh so,
No, I'm just saying, and I'm just saying, like I do,
I really enjoy women. I like women. I like women. I like
women, I like from Scooby Do. I like the femininity, and I
like the way they smell and I love them make them laugh. I love
women. I can't help that's me somebody else meaning love guy whatever. But
when we start the problem is we for so long made every be feel bad.
There was nothing worse than being gay, as I said, right in
a locker room. And I remember kids that I went to school with,
you know, And I can remember one kid's last name. I don't think
he I think he's passed, but his last name was Mallarchuck. And I,
you know, people, he was effeminate. I don't know if he
ever was or wasn't, but he's very effeminate, feathered his hair and all
this, had his comb in the back pocket. And we used and I
used to Malarchuck became a different name. You understand what I'm saying. Okay,
but so for so long we took somebody and go don't tell me,
because we're all going to make you feel like a piece of shit. Well
now we're trying to go. Hang on a second. That's not right.
That's not the right way. And maybe we've gone too far to your point,
Maybe we have. I don't know. I don't have kids involved me.
I think often this correction, right, But I mean I don't know
these stories though. And this is where I think your wife is saying,
where like the kid litter box. Don't you think that would have been bigger
news? Wouldn't that have made news like I would think one recently heard about
somebody there's there was a lawsuit. Let me just back track a little bit.
There was a lawsuit file by this kid's parent because they would not at
the school would not allow the kid to identify as a cat. I had
also heard other instances, okay, heard about instances of cats, the cats,
people young people identifying as cats and litter boxes. Okay, okay,
okay, Well, well I don't think the school could allow it because I
don't think you could have feces out like that human feces. I just can't
and the smell and who has to change the litter box, and we can't
ask our janitor just you know what I mean. We're not we're not a
veterinary. I see where my wife is, like I open up a box
and then you just go off. Yes, yes, I'll tell you what
the problem is. Yes, you've turned it. You turn that guy,
but you are. But here's the thing to bring it back to the Klamari.
Yes, I would you like me to tell you Tuesday that the Kalamari
sucked? You ate at all? I go, yeah, because it still
is. It tasted decent, but it wasn't Calamari the way I would expect
at an Italian restaurant. I go, I have the right to say that.
My point is, do I not have the right to express myself anytime?
And I have an idea in my head? You don't? You do?
You have the right? That is true. She also has the right
to not want to have to listen to it. That's the other side,
like you just calm, calm, but that's not what you do. I
guarantee it. I wish I had. I wish there was video somewhere,
like somebody Alex wrote me saying that there we should do get get people to
have their first date on the podcast, have it catered and miked, and
then like I'll be the waiter and the host and the whole thing, and
then hold one of them back and find out if there will be a second
date kind of thing. Okay, right, so you would have cameras there.
Well, my point with you is I think that you think you say
Calamari sucks, I think it would be. You know, I worked in
an Italian restaurant, and let me tell you something. I know when this
is it, and I would expect more from a restaurant like this. I
come to Red Lobster, I watch the calamar. I know it wasn't Red
Lobster. I know it wasn't. I know it wasn't. You said Italian.
That's why I don't like it. I don't like to go to except
Texas Roadhouse that's actually pretty good. I'm not I'm not, I'm not all.
But my point is, I think you do that because we never see
how we are. We never see how we are. We just don't.
You'll, so we think we think we're doing one thing, and maybe you
were coming off the other way, and you do lately come off with a
lot of heat. You come with heat. You come with heat. Your
frustration level is you're up to And that's where I go, stop watching the
news, take a breath. I've actually like tried stopping. You will watch
because you don't. You go on these searches on YouTube and you stay up
to all hours and you're listening. And I don't think anybody you're listening to
is wrong. It's there opinion. They're smart guys, you're you're you're listening
to smart people. Just form your own opinion on it. To me,
I remember a guy, Yeah, they're trying to be entertaining. I remember,
yeah, I know, and they're looking for clicks. Yes. I
remember a guy named Bill Moran who had a son named Jordan Moran. And
Jordan Moran wanted to be a jag lawyer at some point in his life.
And you once told Tommy and I, like before show, I said,
Jordan, you needed something that that kids do. Jordan, is that the
move a Jaguar lawyer would make? And I want to ask the question,
Yeah, are these the moves that like successful people make. I would say,
I would say, no, you're stealing cars. You know what I'm
allowing because I see these things as two different things. I think if you're
identifying as a cat, but it's all under the same Dan burrella umbrella,
I guess it is. I know that. But to me, there are
two different things kids that are stealing. I would like to see them take
their powers for adventure and intelligence, because it takes a little bit of intelligence
figure out how to get in the car and all this other stuff, even
if it's basically bait breaking the window. But I like to see them take
those powers and put it towards something constructive. There's something there, potential there.
Well, there's potential there, But can we can we get you to
do something? Can we use your powers for good? Right? And somebody
needs? But it's too much and so you get caught up in life and
it's becomes you're a hamster on a wheel. Then you gotta step off and
look at it. I would say to the person who's letting their kid be
a cat, I hope it's a phase. If they stayed me in a
cat, Okay, maybe they'll find maybe they'll find happiness. Who gives a
shit. It doesn't bother me because I will tell you, like, majority
of kids are not dressing up. Oh I no, majority of kids yes,
that's what I'm saying, so we don't have to worry about the whole
world going. But my whole thing is, like we might went back back
before like five minutes, that one rotten apple can ruin the whole by Well,
if you get a shitty kid acting out, it takes away from class,
then what else is gonna is gonna come from? This builds and it
builds from the cat from the flitter box. It builds and builds. To
say, it builds a builds. Now I identify as a shark, right
or I as a as a boat. That's great, you know, that's
great. So let somebody who identifies as I love to do homework. I'm
a shark. Let somebody that's not the way it's gonna go. But see
you take this said shark swim in schools, don't they they go to school.
Yeah, I'm just saying that I think you go like a step too
far, and there's gonna be a point where you can't and you're gonna have
to say to the parent of the kid who wants to shit in the litter
box, he can identify as a cat, you just can't shit in the
little box here. Want and be a cat every day. It's a little
distracting, but we'll work around it and just keep the litter box at home
or homeschool the kid. That is your choice, right, I just don't
I haven't heard these things, and I I here's what I don't like.
I don't like seeing it get all worked up over it. Well it is,
but I think that I think there's some truth to it with you,
and well, I really don't like when my wife is coming home telling me
that her coworkers don't help the situation, and then I have then she's got
to come home and I have to hear. And I care about my wife.
I go, you want me to handle it? No, I don't
need you to fight my battles for me. This is exactly right. All
day I'm like, okay, so what do I do? Listen? I
know, just listen and don't do the uh huh uh huh. Just listen,
be engaged and say and respond with things like I should have been a
marriage counselor oh we're great only because I failed. No, I'm just saying
like it's good stuff. All I would say is go, yeah, I
hear you, man, that sounds like it sucks. Well that would be
frustrating, you know, that sort of thing. So it's it's empathy because
she's not looking for a solution. She was looking for a solution. She'll
do it on our own, smart need you. She just wants she just
wants that, just to know that you're there, Danny, you take it
all, so sure, Well that's it. I'm going. I'm going all
butch Barillo and I will sove it all. That's what you do, I
see it, all right, speaking of thirty years ago. You know,
I love you. Yeah, I know, I know. I am.
Something happened in the news locally, and I'm going to play the clip and
I have some very different thoughts, Okay, very different thoughts, and we'll
see if you agree. All right, maybe you won't if you identify as
a cat. We popped. We we hear a billified Podcasts apologize somebody half
of Tamberillo for insulting you in your family. I think Jackson used to once
told me that he used to pee in the little box downstairs because you want
to go upstairs to go to the bathroom. But that's a genius though.
That's actually not a genius. It is bitch when it happened. I go,
I think I said, you're not a cat. Get upstairs right there?
You go. I want to miss the show, Dad cross the show
we'll take. I used to take a leak out the back door if I
didn't want to go upstairs. I used to do Yeah, I did stuff
like that. That finally goes, why do we have it would freeze?
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was number one at some point in nineteen ninety five. I remember these guys
from Atlanta right all for one. I don't know. I have no idea,
because they sang during the World Series. They sang okay and with them
the Home of the Braves, and then the Yankees went and annihilated them.
That's how proud you were, to said, I was very proud. I
bring this up because something in the news and the world has changed. As
Danny has pointed out, we try to do we try to be more tolerant
of certain things. But I think some things have changed for the good.
And I think that there's almost if you look for anything, you're gonna find
it, and nowadays you can find I think that's why our ability to communicate
sometimes isn't as good, because whatever you want to believe, you're going to
find something to support that, which, therefore men makes you correct. Right,
And when we feel right, we feel emboldened. And that's where we
run into certain things, like you know, just that doesn't work. Here
is a piece from News ten NBC that ran over the weekend, the NBC
affiliate in the Greater Rochester area. Crazy. That's this is a small town
that shouldn't be happening. A search is underway for a suspicious man approaching girls
in the town of Ogden. Ogden police say they received reports that a man
driving an SUV was following teenage girls around town Wednesday night. News NBC's Brought
Better was in Ogden today and all right, so this so teenage girls being
followed around Ogden and they were talking to some people and you'll hear a dad
of a young girl. Now, these are teenage girls, and this is
the story. Joins us in studio with the latest on the investigation, Brett,
this is certainly disturbed. Yeah, Eric had out authority say the man
driving the suv was caught on camera and two locations around Ogden and spencer Port
Wednesday night and want neighbors to be vigilant about their surroundings until they can track
him down. Take a close look at these photos. Ogden Police Chief Travis
Gray says the driver of this orange Nissan Rogue was the man following teenage girls
around town around four timeout. Yes, if you were going to chase teenage
girls, would you be driving an orange car because that's easily identifiable. Yeah,
it's an orange ish it's orange gold. Yeah, okay, the red
burnt No, I love that color. Okay, so it is a common
call. It's a more say orange, I don't I didn't really see it
as more of a reddish reddish orange. Continue. But yeah, the other
question is are the teen's honor and Ogden. I'm just saying you got a
lot of options if you can do this Wednesday night. I mean, as
a dad, as a father, as a parent, it's always saying vigilant,
knowing what's going on around me. Dan Bash and his family were heading
out for a walk along Union and Canal Streets and Spencer, one of the
two places police say the vehicle was caught on camera. Bat says he saw
the posts about the suspicious car on social media and it's why he says,
it's always a good idea to keep an eye out on everything going on around
you, no matter where you are. Day vigilant, stay prepared, know
what our surroundings are. No, let's be ready for the worst, folks
us and keep an eye out for things that are going on. After receiving
the photos, investigators say they've been able to identify the suv and the driver,
an African American man in his mid twenties with long curly hair, that
have been unable to find him. The suv was also spotted further south along
Union Street. And who's wearing a Jerry curl nowadays? Direct James. He's
got a big Jase Rick James has he lived in the Buffalo area in west
Side Drive. Chief Gray says that officers received reports that the man approached at
least two teenage girls rolling down his into to speak with him before driving off
reasons why so nothing happened. I'm sorry, Charlie Murphy was an accident.
I have too much fun, but nothing happened. Appearance, like Jody Pellegrino
says, she never takes her eye of her baby girl. I don't let
her out of my eyesight. It's a crazy world out there. Just know
where they are. This isn't thirty years ago where you could let your kids
wanderinglessly. Unfortunately, I disagree with that statement. One I think that is
I I totally don't disagree with that. Okay, oh didn't. Police are
asking anyone with information about the vehicle or the driver to contact the department at
six one seven six one three to one or call nine one one. If
you see the suv, Eric Keta and Bred, you're the suv with the
black dude driving, Yes, if you see him, do not approach him.
He could be doing that thing. Well okay, but but so the
news, the police were out there. This woman says at the end of
it, you can't let your kids wander. It's not thirty years ago.
Nineteen ninety four was thirty years ago. Great year, bro One of the
worst things to happen in Monroe County happened. Oh yeah, Kayle and Poulton.
I was at Fisher, I had graduated. I was waiting for my
apartment to be ready, and I remember the helicopters flying above because they were
in East Rochester and they were looking and it turned out to be Mark Christie
Kilder right and let me so here would be my thing. I know somebody
was close to him too. I think that it's very very naive to say
that it's not what it was thirty years ago. No, it's I I
would argue, we are safer today because we've got more cameras and more people
aware. When I was a kid, you just left. You didn't have
cell phones to track, you didn't have Life three sixty that you could put
on to follow your kids and make sure they're not speeding or anything. You
just left and shit happened. I mean, right, And most of the
time, the bad stuff, the really really horrible life altering things that would
happen to people, happened from people your parents trusted. Right. Look at
the Catholic Church just as an example. I'm not picking I'm just saying,
like that happened. There were young boys who were here in Rochester. That
when they opened it up and said the statute of limitations are over and we're
gonna get you're gonna get money or whatever. The suing they were able to
come forward and identified priests by name, and other people came forward and goes,
yeah, that happened to me too. But that was who did your
parents trust if you were Catholic, the priests, right the priest or the
loved ones. Like there's a kid, Stephen Stainer. Stephen Stanner got kidnapped.
It was stranger abduction by somebody who the family trusted, had them over
to dinner a couple of times. I mean the whole thing, and it
was a number of years. He was gone from the age seven to fifteen.
I'm just so when we say things like, oh, thirty years ago,
I go cut cut it. First of all, that to me is
the dumbest thing, because you could let your kid we don't anymore, which
I'm not sure that's a good thing if you want to go back to your
kids paying in the litter box, things that bother you. I feel like
we're too on top too much. There's not enough ability to skin your knee
and learn from it, right, by that meaning like, you know you're
riding or interact with adults who aren't your parents. You know, I don't
need somebody always around. I get you out of the house, get some
fresh air, I mean, get outside and play. What eah? So
two things. I want to defend the woman a little bit here. Sure,
for this reason, I think we are wired to believe that life was
better thirty years ago. It wasn't. Because here's the thing. They're Oh
gosh, I wish I could pull it up somebody on Twitter about a year
ago, and I remember this, and I wish i'd saved it. Maybe
I did, but I have to go back and find it. Okay,
what is it? They posted a a bunch of newspaper articles every twenty five
years saying life was better twenty five years of course, right, Oh,
I think it's I think it's just it's I don't wanna call it recency bias,
but I think, well, yeah, it is recently bias, because
now you hear about more things. See that life was better then, but
we hear about more things, which, to my point is it's safety.
Your little neighborhood has the neighborhood, the neighbor's app or whatever it is.
You find out about everything. You find out. There's a coyote that wandered
through somebody's yard and Bob caught it on his trail cam. And keep your
cats inside. Whatn't happened thirty years ago. That wasn't happening. We didn't
have the technology. So now, guess what, Your kid that identifies as
a cat won't be attacked by a coyote. Danny, how about that?
But do you understand what I'm saying? Like there's so much information now and
so much stuff that maybe it feels like we live in a scarier place because
we hear about it all. But I mean we don't. The shit was
going on for years. Just didn't hear about it, So we didn't hear
about it enough. And that's where and now you're also training your kids.
You're teaching your kids there's an effort. Don't go to strangers, don't talk
to strangers. All the online stuff. That's where you probably got a better
chance of having your kid learn away is by someone posing to be somebody.
I mean, there was all TV show. Chris Hansen got a whole career
out of it until he got in trouble for something but I'm just saying,
like all that stuff, and so we're able to stop the real, the
really shitty, horrible things that have always gone on. We just didn't know
about it because we lived in a bubble. I mean, think about I
think of the number of kids you would hear about a kid being snatched or
something. I didn't know anyone personally that was snatched. But I mean,
you sacrifice a few millions of kids nothing happened to, is my point.
Millions of kids that nothing happened to. And I think, when we start
living paranoid and we're always pointing at things, what an awful way to live
it is area, It is an awful way to live. I think it's
also a young parents way to live. Sometimes. Here's what I mean by
that. I work with my brother. A lot of the business we do
is on the phone. One day I decide I'm gonna go take a walk
and kill two birds with one stone. It was a beautiful day over there
was last summer actually right and in Might. There's a lot of families in
my neighborhood. So I go to take a walk right around two o'clock two
thirty, when the buses are getting out I'm oblivious to any of that stuff.
I don't have any kids. So all these parents are all coming out.
Yeah, and these this bus is like stop at every like three houses
and dropping kids off. But the parents are still coming out, and I
go, holy cow, man, there's a ton of parents, moms,
and we're home and dads who were home even at the end of my driveway.
Wait, so they're kids. And my brother goes, yeah, because
kids are getting abducted more and more nowadays. And that's and they're all paranoid.
They're probably looking at you. They could you're ready to pick one up.
I go, are you serious? And goes no, But yeah,
I go, what do you mean, because they probably think you're a weirdo.
I go, I'm just taking a walk. He goes, I'm breaking
your balls. But the point is, though, is that that's why the
I don't go dropping them off for driver. Let me let me, let
me. Let me give you a different side of that, okay. I
There are way more remote jobs now than ever before. People can work from
home. And one of the great things, and one of the great joys
that is just a short minute is the kids getting on and off the bus.
It really is and it's that sometimes if you're a parent, that you're
like, this isn't gonna last forever, and you're there and you kinda try
to make those moments and make memories that I think that's great. I don't
know. It could also be to make sure that no one's messing with the
kid. Absolutely. Uh. To your brother's point, more and more kids
getting abducted, I haven't seen it. But then again, but but there's
such trafficking. Goes to your original point at the start of this segment where
if you look for things, you're gonna find find them. And he is
a parent two young kids now, so all of a sudden, now he's
I'm not saying he's more paranoid about it that I. We told Jordan all
the time, like you know, all the boys, right, but Jordan
was the one I think it sunk in because he used it. I remember
I told you I was at the zoo with just them and they were sixteen
months apart, and I'm going, all right, let's go, Fellow's time
to go. Get everybody in. The Jackson takes off and it was like
this tunnel with a gopher hole, so you could be a gopher and poke
your head out. Well he went and sat in the middle of this thing,
and I'm trying to leave and there was a woman that I worked with,
and Jordan's up on this ice, you know, faux ice sculpture,
playground thing, and I'm like trying to watch him and keep him there.
Hey dad, watch me. I'm coming down the side and the other guy's
now hiding on me, so I can't leave. It's great parenting, yeah,
wonderful. So the woman had said, I'll watch, you know,
I'll I'll watch Jordan and you go get Jackson. So I start heading over
to get Jackson, and all of a sudden they hear, hey, lady,
get away from me. You're scared. I've told this a million times,
but that was Jordan. Well we all tell our kids, you know,
and we're more of us see something, say something. But now you've
got ring doorbell cameras, trail cameras, cameras in your pocket, security cameras.
Everything's caught pretty much. So I'm like, no one's getting away with
stealing your kid. They're just not. And the ones you should fear are
the ones that are closest to you. Unfortunately that maybe you don't know that
well, I mean it was you know, I have openly talked about being
molested at seven years old. It was by a babysitter who my parents trusted,
right, someone knew who they trusted. And I think that's the same
thing here. But when we say things like, well, thirty years ago,
I go, really, because one of the worst things happened thirty years
ago and I haven't heard about it happening today. And that's a great thing.
That's a great thing. And all this technology, it's a great thing.
But I would say this, follow your gut, right, You got
to follow your gut. And I don't like the living paranoid. Something's always
gonna get me something. It's an ugly way to live. It's hard because
your stomach will never rest right. So I'm just going feel your when something
doesn't feel right. If you're in a situation, you go, you should
probably get out of here. This isn't for me, then do it.
That's a smart thing. That's something you know what that comes out of the
box instead of being homemade. That might be God, tell me they don't
eat here again. I don't know, you know, have a conversation with
your kids. But I would say follow your gut. But I thought I
heard that lady ago. It's not thirty years ago. You can just let
your kids run outside, And I'm like, I'll give it. I think
it's way safer to do that now than it ever was before. Yeah,
there's cameras everywhere. Yes, no one's getting away with the box click shows
up, box pirates right or most of the uh, most of the like
even the keywboys. We caught a lot of them, and they were on
camera in certain places. I don't know, maybe big watch it you except
when you don't need when you actually need big. Right, Maybe I'm naive.
Maybe I live in a in thiseel bad for this dude, like cause
he all of a sudden like if you drive, if you drive it,
or a drogue or a burnt whatever the color is, who knows, right,
But but the thing is, like, who knows, maybe he did
have ill intent. But but here's the thing. The police put it out,
your neighborhood is safe. But what happens is when we hear about it
on the news, what happens, Well, they're out everywhere trying to they're
trying to snatch girls. And you know what that guy was a sex trafficker
and he was trying to maybe or maybe he was a guy going, hey,
didn't I go to school with you girls? And maybe he was trying
to ask one of them out. I don't know, I have no idea.
It sounds like they got him, and you know, be on the
lookout. Okay, all right, let's not be paranoid, though, let's
not not live that's all. By the way, you ever asked somebody about
the core of their car when you're not sure what it is? No,
So I did this yesterday at a Delta Sonic. This guy had this why
would you here's what color? Yeah? But this it was a gorgeous was
like tiger eye gold. Okay, so I've never heard of this color.
This, This was an accurate It was beautiful. So I pull up alongside
him and he gives me this weird look. So I give the signal like
to roll down the window, which, by the way, is kind of
obsolete now because now you have buttons and cars. So it looks like I'm
giving him the jo side, okay, and he's like, what, I'm
like, roll your window. So you don't want to roll down the window
to find out that because you're sitting against cargo. Hey, what color is
that you, Larry David? Yeah, exactly, okay, but he was
cool. He was like, oh yeah, I go, I go,
I'll save up like sixty thousand dollars to buy a car like that. Oh
he goes, Oh yeah, I'm broke. I said that, but it
was a cool color. But I wanted to know what the color was,
so I could ask, Hey, do you have a tiger gold? Tiger
Eye gold cars? Next time I buy one? So cooler, cooler Chrysler
Dodge Jeep. I could ask car, do you have tiger eye gold?
Cooler, cooler colored car? Yeah. Better safety today, better safety in
pretty much everything from your technology to your cars. Right, Yeah, So
what is a bad thing? We're more tolerant of kids stressing up a cat
cats thirty years ago. I'm going to give you something that I think is
bad that has happened. I think our ability to focus because of social media
has significantly dropped our attention span. And I bring this up because there was
a two thousand and three study by the University of California, Irvine found the
average attention span in two thousand and three, the average attention span, how
long do you think it was? Now? None of them are are extraordinarily
long. But the average attention span, so you're saying above and below,
but the average in two thousand and three eight seconds, not eight seconds,
two minutes and thirty seconds. For like, are we talking about sub like
watching a segment on television or like, yeah, just your your attention?
Like right, how long do they have to try to get you to suck
in so you would give something? Like maybe they tell us you have eight
seconds? Eight seconds. In twenty twelve, the average attention span dropped to
seventy five seconds. And I don't know what they're doing to test these,
I have no idea, but they call it popcorn brain. Now. It
was a term that this guy, David Levy coined in twenty eleven. The
term popcorn brain refers to a person's attention quickly jumping from thought to thought like
the kernels you know popping in popcorn? Right, yep, yeah, I
can't do a pop sound from thought to thought. This so seventy five seconds
in twenty twelve. Now the attention span for most people is about how long
it was two minutes and thirty seconds. In three we go about a decade
later to twenty twelve, the average attention span is seventy five seconds. We
go a little more than a decade, another twelve, so it was one
hundred and fifty seconds. Then it was seventy five seconds. So if we're
going by half lives here, it might be something like thirty seven seconds.
You're not bad, forty seven seconds, according to the uc ser Irvine.
Over time, this consistent demand for attention and the rapid switching between tasks can
lead to a feeling of mental restlessness for the brain, bouncing around as it
struggles to maintain the focus on any one task for an extended period. I
do wonder like you know now, I've actually trained myself to leave my phone
on my desk when I get home. You can try not to touch it.
Okay, the experience, but it's very addictive, like they're saying here.
Social media is a major contributing factor to the declining attention span. According
to a psychiatrist at Plainville Hospital Plainview Hospital, excuse me, in New York,
the experience is extremely addictive, more addictive than any other activity because you
have these small amounts of dopamine being stimulated on a very frequent basis and stop.
The pattern is extremely difficult. Over time, this constant demand for attention
and the rapid switching between tax can lead to the restlessness bouncing around, according
to Daniel Haig, who's a psychologist, But that's something that wasn't here thirty
years ago. And I do think that you've got to try to discipline yourself
because otherwise you'll be all over the place, and that sometimes shutting it down
is the best thing you can do for yourself. Dopamine is a drug and
chemical in your brain right, and that's why they call drug addicts users.
They also call social media users smartphone users. But the problem is, and
I think we saw this over the weekend. I think it was Friday when
AT and T went down. How many people probably that were on AT and
T or T Mobile. I think they were also T Mobile. There are
certain aspects of Horizon. It was like a string in Texas like Houston,
Dallas. And they're saying that what it was was a software update on there
and not somebody hacking. But you look at the dependency on the phone could
well it's not screwed. It's sad when I see dependency on the phone.
Who has called you last, what text can you not live with? Every
one of us could be, but we hear it and we jump to it.
We jump to it because we've trained ourselves to do that. And I
and I think that that's bad. And we're constantly getting information, some of
it maybe not real, some of it, you know what I'm saying.
Like, so now we've got I just saw that news story on my phone
about you better not let your kids outside and ogden everybody in, everybody saying
it, and I go, hang on a second. They know who they're
looking for, number one, number two, they're not looking for you,
So don't worry about it. Get outside, play, and yes, you
should probably be with your kids. They like being around you when they're little.
There's gonna be a point where they don't watch you around, so go
do it. Father used to tell me that, Danny boy, what I'm
dead, You're gonna miss these days, Yes, said, I'm a high
school senior. Yes, I lost the remote. Now get by the cable
box and keep changing the chail tight to stop that. You can go out
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weekend that I know you've watched, and I know you lived. You lived
more than I lived. Oh really? Yeah? Was it Doc? Yes?
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the first time I saw this, heard the went out and bought CD.
CD came out after he died. Probably the most yeah, probably the most
memorable unpluged performance. Because of that. I have an unplugged book at home
that I bought for five bucks on Amazon. It was used still that cracked
it open. But it talks about all the unplugs. That's awesome. Why
why are you laughing about that? Why does that crack your up because you've
bought it? If you still have an open day, I got a whole
slow books. I fought I have an open but here I read twelve books
last year. I'm not saying I know, I know, I know,
I know, I got Yeah, I'm the joke. The guy who pays
full price for books at Barnes and Noble. What family guy once made a
job? Some people buy books at full price at Barnes and Noble. Yeah,
yeah, it's me, But I've gotten gift Love book I too.
I've gotten gift cards from people, yeah, from Barnes and Noble, and
I used them on books. We were talking about thirty years ago, and
it actually you started out with you know today and the tolerance, which they
didn't have thirty years ago. Really nineteen ninety four. Ambiguous, Yes,
okay. What it was supposed to mean was when they would ask somebody about
their sexuality, I prefer to remain ambiguous, which was supposed to mean I'm
not going to disclose my sexuality is. But it ultimately meant was anyone who
said they were ambiguous was probably gay. And it was true. It was
true. And I remember that because Michael Stipe used to say from RAM used
to say that I prefer remained sexually ambiguous. Oh okay, so he's not
going to disclose what he is. But most straight people like, they're pretty
obviously straight, and the ones who aren't usually ended up being gay. Well,
this came out thirty years ago about a girl was from thirty years ago,
and I don't remember. The unplug might have been a little after that,
no around there. Yeah, yeah, and the word ambiguous was a
thing. But you know, we live in a world today where there was
an x A picture of Donald Trump and Joe Biden sitting across from each other
with a haze of like smoke around them and a big bag of weed on
a table. And the picture looked like really authentically done. I mean you
have to really it was a great photoshop job, the whole thing. But
it had to be told to people that this wasn't a real picture. You
see what I'm saying. That's where the attention span and stuff of being so
quick and to grab somebody's attention that may grab their attention, then they believe
it and move on. And it had to be playing that. No,
and if you people are looking as closely again, well his ears a little
off. That's not what his ear looks like or whatever. But we live
in a world where things move so fast, and I think people don't know
what's right and what's wrong. Oh yeah, like that John, you know
John Oliver, John Oliver leans left and he could say leans and when he
after Trump got elected or no, during the pandemic, excuse me. He
talked about how memes have become a thing that people just believe. Yes,
And he showed one of President Trump saying, if I were going to run
for president. I didn't run as a Republican because Republicans had the stupid his
base. And now he hates Trump and he goes he never said that,
right, just to show you, like what people will just believe, which,
by the way, I'm glad that he'll say he never said that,
because people would think that he doesn't want to support anything and he's just gonna
shot all over him. And maybe that's not the case. He disagrees on
different different policies, but he's not going to put false word in the guy's
mouth. Right, But we do. We see these things and so we
chomp on and we believe them. Let's go back thirty years. I saw
something documentary, Yes, the Four Falls of Buffalo. I finally watched it.
Did you really? Yes? Have you watched it? So many thoughts
on this. Have you watched it? Yes? I have? Okay,
you just watched it? Now, you didn't watch it when it came out?
No, it was on Netflix. Now, so it came out on
a Saturday night in like twenty sixteen. Yeah, and they made ABC made
a big deal about it. It was a huge premiers. Yeah, but
I have I've never watched it. Okay, So I just watched it this
weekend, and I there were a couple of things I didn't know about that
went on there. One, I was a Giants fan for the first Super
Bowl I was. I lived downstate. I had liked the Giants growing up.
I became a Buffalo Bills fan because I lived here. But not just
that I lived here, but I also went to training camp. I interviewed
the players. Mario Williams was going to kill us. That whole thing.
I remember that. But so you became a fan because you were someone invested
you around these guys, and it was the biggest thing in town. And
so you'd say I jumped on the bandwagon. And I've stayed on the bagwagon
for nearly thirty years. I know a lot of Giants fans twenty twenty years
who have done the same thing. Well, I had nothing to do with
that. It's just that I didn't live down state anymore. I wasn't opening
my paper to get the Giants news every day. Everything was Buffalo and you
know, and working in meeting Losmosis. So but I loved the love that
was shown to Scott Norwood. I didn't know about that when they came back.
Oh, yeah, and there were thirty. Did you now you were
a little boy, was in fifth grade? Did your dad take you out
of school and take you there? No, my father wouldn't take me to
a game. So in eighty seven we went to a game where the Bills
played the Patriots and then lost thirteen to seven. Doug Flutie was the backup
quarterback to Steve Grogan, and they actually served glass bottles back then, and
a fight broke out in our section. Guy got the crap beat out of.
My father goes never again, Danny boy, which is fine by me
because I couldn't see the entire game in a snowsuit. I'm like four feet
tall. Everyone's standing over me. But I mean so, we never went
the games, but we taped every game. My father was like the all
twenty two guy before it was all twenty two. He would tape the game.
He'd watch it every day because he worked second shift. He'd watch it
every day before work. And we come home from school, dann, I
got another idea about this freaking team. Let me tell you something, and
he'd say something, I watched the news today and such and such. You
know, Kelly's doing all right. He's gonna take back calling the plays,
but we were really into it. I watched every we watched every game we
could, and we loved that team, and Scott Norwood was the guy that
he was just a quiet I dressed up with Scott norwand from my third grade
Halloween, I wore an eleven jersey. My mother awesome, my mother like
put in tape. My mother could like was a fabulous artist, and she
put the words Norwood in tape on the back of my jersey, which was
actually a phil Simms jersey. Okay, so she blotted out the Giant's part
and put Bills in the front and the Norwood in the back, and I
had a Bill's helmet. I dressed up as Scott Norwood cause in eighty eight
he was having a heck of a season. He was a pro bowler that
year. He was h that's funny. Yeah, Okay, So I didn't
know about the love that came to him, because, oh yeah, I
guess again through other things we've seen happen over the years that there were probably
death threats to him, and you know how distraught he was, and he
I think he got one more season kicked in ninety one, he had a
rough year. He missed like four field goals against the Raiders, and at
that point Bill Paullion's like, we got to find somebody new, and they
brought in Steve Christie and he never got another shot. Yeah, this guy
was a pro Bowl or three years earlier. He never got another shot.
Nobody wanted to take a chance. But I mean, I wonder if that
just shows you how much we live in our head. Oh yeah, like
could have fucked him up that much. He's still not over it. But
yeah, when you got the oppression from watching that doc he's still not over
it, right, And that documentary's almost ten years old, Yeah, twenty
sixteen. Yeah, we're twenty twenty four. Yeah, do you believe that
the Apache Apache Apachi helicopter was Davis were calling? Yeah, well, because
we're okay for those who don't know where during the Gulf War, the First
Golf War, they had intended they had Apache helicopters out there to keep watching
case Saddam who couldn't even find his you know, f right, but we
didn't know, We didn't know this at that point. It was a large
gap. No, I don't think the Apache even Bruce David the special tapes
because I love Kenny Davis, dude, but it's still way the Apache helicopters
prevented that field goal from going through the uprights. What it was was Frank
Reich had the laces at ten o'clock instead of noon. And they think that's
got what had the biggest impact on Scott Norwood missing the kick. But Scott
had a tough time kicking on grass. He had never hit a forty seven
yard around grass, right, I And okay, so I all these things
came out. But the one thing that I've always thought over the years because
it was very easy to joke. And then in the documentary they say when
they get to the fourth one, uh, anybody but Buffalo not again.
Mike Lupica of the of the New York Daily Evening and Rick Riley of s
I were like, no more, Yeah, no more, don't let him
in. Blahbah. But it it's sort of it's a joke. But God,
what an impressive run. I mean, it's unbelievable. We're talking about
Kansas City winning their third, which would be unbelievable. I know the Bills
have well third in a row. If they do it right, wouldn't this
be their I'm sorry, You're right, they have they have on three in
five. They could win another way, be three in a row. Yes,
that's what I'm saying. It's three in a row repeat. But to
go to four in a row, nobody's done that. And Jim Kelly even
said said that recently. I don't know if you saw this over the weekend
or if it was a meme that somebody made up, but Kelly said,
you know, talk s to me when you've gone to four straight like I
have. You know, So here was the thing that I was taken away.
And we'll get your thoughts because then we can go back to the Therman
Thomas Helmet too. But I'm watching this and I went and at one point
at dawn to me and go, holy shit. They played every game you
could possibly play for four seasons in a row. Yep. Every single NFL
game for four seasons involved the Buffalo Bills. They played every game you could
possibly play, right, yep, all the way through, way through,
all the way through to the end. They did four seasons in a row.
They were beating Dallas in the final Super Bowl at halftime and they all
say in there and and Troy Aikman says, I watched them. You know,
usually it's different ends of the field or whatever. But we were close.
And as they're walking off, I'm noticing these guys aren't pumped up,
Hey we're ahead. They're like almost defeated, deflated. And I think it
was Tasker who said we gave everything we had, and yeah, he goes,
we ran out of gas. But when I stopped to thinking, go
not that Dallas had done it the season before. They had played in every
game this season before and gone to the super Bowl. Now this was a
rematch again, and I go, but four seasons in a row. Mentally,
that's exhausting, just let alone the toll on your body. And you're
talking thirty years ago when they didn't protect quarterbacks or have the rules like they
do now to at least give you a chance. I'm glad you brought this
up because I have so many thoughts on this whole thing. So first of
all, I actually got angry during the documentary when it came out. Okay,
when Taskers said that we just ran out of gas, I'm like,
that's your answer, that's why you lost four Yeah, But as I'm listening,
I go, you played every game you possibly could play for four seasons,
and I do wonder if it becomes a mental thing in your head where
you goo, we're just never getting over it. Fuck it. So I
don't think I don't remember they showed this or not, because they try to
keep OJ out in as much as possible. For like one second, No
OJ was all over that thing as a reporter, because I don't remember if
O J Buffalo bills. Right. So OJ came out of the locker room
after halftime because I remember this because we were all excited as fays like this
could be it, and he goes. Nobody said a word to each other,
and they show that in the document. Okay, they did show that,
right, nobody said a word, And I looked at my father,
going, this could be a good thing or a bad thing. And right
after Thurman Thomas fumbled then for the second time and James Washington returned it for
a touchdown. We knew, yeah it's over, Yeah it's over. And
Thurman feels like you let everybody down. What was the Super Bowl where Thurman
couldn't find his helmet? That was the second Super Bowl against Washington. Again,
nobody was beating that team most Bills fans. I think even Jim Kelly,
you could ask Greg Connors this, most Bills fans will tell you.
Most Bills will tell you that nobody was beating Washington that day. Okay,
that was the of the four Super Bowls. That was the one time that
they had no shot at winning a Super Bowl. So not the Dallas games.
That game, so that whole thing was I think it was a halftime
show or or a performance by a band, or a practice. Yeah,
but yeah, before the game. This is the helmet, the helmet we're
talking about missing helmet. Thurmann put his helmet in a certain spot, right,
and they came out to do the national anthem. It is a big
performance, and one of the equipment managers didn't want the helmet to be misplaced,
so they took it. Okay, so they said on the documentary,
at least the way I heard it, they may have had a gummy,
actually not a gummy, had chocolate covered espresso beans with THC. Okay,
all right, I'm just saying I could have been a little high, just
very relaxed. I I thought they said that somebody, one of the one
of the musicians moved it out of their way. They okay, they made
the equipment manager never so the equipment manager couldn't find it. So they're looking
all over and finally equipment manager three or four plays in there was a touchdown
that they go. Had Thurman been in, he would have scored because there
was a wide open lane and whoever was playing running back, yeah, could
just couldn't do it or didn't see it. But so years around that time
had to be after that Super Bowl. Ninety was the Giants. Ninety one
was Washington. I remember hearing this because I wasn't at the radio station,
but they had a celebrity softball game and Thurman Thomas came and they were playing
at the old Silver Stadium where the Rochester Red Wings now the farm team for
the Nationals at the time, I believe the farm team for the Orial Orioles.
Uh. They had this big thing and they had a local radio personality,
brother Weez, who's in the National Radio Hall of Fame, announced and
Thurman's coming up to bad and he says something about the missing helmet, and
apparently Thurman fucking flipped like wanted to kick his ass, literally wanted to kick
his ass. Came storming over, screaming and all this stuff, and another
guy in the crowd yells Thurman, where's your ring? It? Scott A
Toniac told the other happens. But Toniac was involved in that because he had
to go ask him about it. After no, all of a sudden,
we have a story here. Thurman's flipping out, and so now he's right
and he's got to go cover it. And then Thurman was like losing his
mind in the you know, in the it becomes like Murphy's law. Right,
people want to believe in Murphy's law more than they want to believe in
other laws, like gravity is a law right, a la a law of
physics. I know, if I picked this up, I'd let it go.
It's gonna drop, I know it. It's there. Well, the
Murphy's law is what can go wrong will go wrong. Well, with the
Buffalo Bills, it feels like what can't go go wrong will go wrong?
From a missing helmet that maybe it led to a loss, I don't know,
but the score would have been tighter, probably potentially, potentially potentially And
then I didn't pay attention in college to football as much. It were so
busy doing any other things. I mean, I actually paid more attention to
basketball, but Buffalo Bills and there were some guys who went to you know,
grew up in Buffalo and went to games and stuff like that that I
you know, we went to super Bowl parties and all this, and I
remember laughing when they lost to fourth one, going this is unbelievable. But
I was like, I don't really care. It was fun to hang around
and have a super Bowl party and no big deal. But I go,
God, what an impressive run that they're I think now and they say it
in the documentary they get more credit now than they did. But what a
difference to making winning just one would mean for the city of Buffalo. I've
thought about that. I think it would mean a lot. It would mean
everything. Yeah, it would mean everything to these people. It would mean
everything to all of us, especially in Buffalo, being in Rochester's part of
it, but in Buffalo, growing up in Buffalo. Yeah, it would
mean everything. Thing. But my father said, I remember this after they
lost the first one. He was Danny, you know what, it's probably
better that they didn't win this yet. How the rationale comes out after something
goes wrong sour grapes, Because I think they would have gotten a little heady,
and they probably just all write a book and do their own thing,
and they probably wouldn't go back. And the further and further we get away
from that. When you watch that documentary which was a which was a softball
tournament, it was a puff piece. They really never got into how did
you lose these four Super Bowls? They don't talk about the fact that these
guys were all partying. Well, they said they were all partying their balls
off basically for the first one, for the first one, but they kind
of did the other three too, and nobody really talked about it that the
other ones. They made it sound like, you know, we learned and
that was it, and that no one was really beating the Redskins that year,
and they had gotten them fired up, calling them the Hogs or whoever
the defensive was. Chuck Dickerson made fun of them, and yeah, you
know, and then you had, uh, the Dallas games, which the
first one was a blowout, the second one they were leading in Kelly got
hurt early, but he gave him fourteen points, so the two turnovers then
and then he got hurt and nine turnovers later. But I mean, it's
an interesting it is I wonder if the Bills had won that Super Bowl,
if they remember the eighty six Mets. The story about the eighty six Mets
was that the bad guys won. There's a book about him. Yeah,
And after they won that, everybody this team's gonna turn to a dynasty.
So everybody wrote a book. Everybody started doing more drugs and getting into more
stupid stuff, and they never went back. And a lot of people wonder
because the Bills, like Buffalo is a small town with a lot of big
fish, and they had a lot of superstars on that team. That team
was way more talented than any of the Bills teams in the last five six
years, the Allen Bills. There were more stars on that team than these
Bills teams. And yet have they won that one of those Super Bowls?
I wonder what would have happened. I even wonder if we have a franchise,
because part of the allure of buying Bills season tickets and supporting this team,
even when Doug Flutie came in to help sell out those dugout sweets,
was just win one. Let's just win one. And had they won that,
maybe they would have turned into the the the Super Bowl thirty seven Tampa
Bay Buccaneers, Oh they won one, that was it? Yeah, you
know, or the Baltimore Ravens that one year, Oh they won one,
that was it? So it would I think they kept going back because they
had something to prove, but when they got there, they just, you
know, they would go back to like partying, and maybe the partying.
I also wonder, honestly, psychologically, if you just feel like you just
can't get over it, or do you know every little thing that can go
wrong will go wrong that mentality. I do wonder if there's a psychological component
to it. I don't know, but it's an interesting documentary I had not
seen. It is on Netflix now have a Gummy and One. I interviewed
a ton of people for it, some of whom were like, not necessary,
Yeah, but I like Luke Russert get out of here well only because
his dad had passed by that point. Yeah, okay, here we go,
here we go. So he wrote, he wasn't even he was a
watching. He wasn't a bill a buffalo guy like you don't like liberal.
I don't care if he's a liberal or not. I'm sure he is.
He's buddy for James Carvel. I'm sure he is, but that's not the
issue. I don't care what your politics are. Talking about the Buffalo Bills
here talked his dad talked about it a lot, dad, grandfather. But
we we know this was like I think sometimes when you live in a small
city like we do, or like Buffalo, that you love anybody who loves
us, like Chris Berman. Okay, so anytime somebody who is of any
name is from South Buffalo. His father was from from South Buffalo. If
his father were alive, I want to I want to hear from from Tim
Run. His father's dead, and he had talked about it on a national
TV and he had had his father on one year in all Bills Gears,
I think this is just this was just the Bill's way of trying to get
national exposure and just let's bring it. Luke Russell, Hey, let's bring
it, doctor Roberts. We need someone to explain how to ESPN did this
documentary. The Pulas did the documentary and sold it to ESPN. Okay,
well, well, I know one of the girls who produced the documentary.
She's working NFL Films. She worked for the bill. They did they I
just wish they would have dun it. I just said Luke Russer didn't belong
in the documentary. He was talking about his dad's love for there were people
that just died. Greig Commers belongs to the documentary more than Luke Russer does.
The reason they don't want Greg and Greg I love you is you you'll
talk too much about it. Let me tell you one more thing. But
he could tell you though, you know, like there's like, what how
how did you? How did you lose? For? How did you not
get your act together for one of those Super Bowls? I can't. I
don't know. I would say that. I think there's by that point in
the season, and he did it four years in a row. To me,
that's because I'm watching. I'm watching the Patriots series now on Apple TV
called The Dynasty. It is written by Jeff Benedict. I have the book
now. The book itself was a softball tournament. It was a puff piece.
But this doc these guys talk and they don't care who they hurt.
They talk a lot of f bombs too, And these guys get to the
to the nitty gritty of what happened and why. When it's with Spygate with
you know, replacing bled Cell with Brady. But Bledsoe talks about how ticked
off he was, you know, Belichick talks about the moves he made,
all that stuff. These guys all talk. I feel like the Bills really
kind of protected each other in the Four Falls of Buffalo that they really didn't
want to get into the why, like we'll never we'll never get into it.
We'll never nobody's ever written a book about how the Bills lost four Super
Bowls. It's not looking at a guy who's a writer. I'm looking at
a guy who's a writer. Okay, why don't you do it? Why
didn't you get on it? I don't know if i'd get the access to
if anybody would tell the truth. I think a lot of writers have tried.
They don't. They're never going to get the full How do you know?
See if you can get we have great. But all you're doing is
putting. You're doing exactly what geez you're doing. Huh No, you're doing
exactly what everybody does. Everybody's tried it before. I better not do it.
Better not do a podcast, because everybody does a podcast. To fuck
off, go do it? And if it doesn't work. Who cares,
who knows if you failed? Nobody, But you know you have somebody that
could get you access to everybody you mentioned him. Greg would help you in
a minute get you access or at least give you the contact information. You
don't have to do the legwork, but you could do it, and then
you could write the book. You could even put in there. And now
great question that I'm sure many many diehard Bills fans want to know, Well,
what really happened the documentary? In my opinion, Dan Barrillo's opinion on
mine, But Dan Bridill's does not answer the question, how did you lose
four in a row? You know, maybe you get an answer to all
these guys. Thurman lives there, and Kelly lives there, and Andre's around.
But I think it alludes to what I said. I think these guys
all protect each other. They they protect each other. Don't think they will.
Somebody said that Jim was I mean, didn't they blame Jim on something
in that documentary? I think, well, they blamed Jim, so they
when they talked to Bill Pollion, yeah about it was eighty nine the bickering
bills, Because you have to give the origin of how this team and they
talked about like you know, Bill Pollion pulled Thurman says, you can't criticize
your quarterback. And Thurman's like, what it is? Tell him? But
he's but tell him he can't criticize a Ballard so permissing a block. But
this is my point. Maybe you can, maybe you can get to the
crowd. Maybe you'll get to yeah, we really partied a lot. Maybe
you get that. Maybe you find a creative way to write the book.
It's available. The opportunity is there. That's all I'm saying. All you
need is an opportunity. That's it. You don't need it. Who cares?
Anyway? There's a million people who wrote book. Yeah there are,
There's there's tons. You're absolutely right, so listen to all them and let
their failures be your failure. Okay, do you understand what I'm saying?
Do you see what I'm saying? Because everybody's going to tell you how it
can't work, and they're not, and they're going to do it out of
what I think is mostly a good place. But I'm my biggest thing,
my biggest message with this podcast to everybody, I hope the one underlying theme
is fuck it, do it yourself. And I mean that if there's a
if you have a passion to do something, if you want to find the
answer, then go do it. Well, the thing is when you die,
when it's all over, when it's coming to an end, when it's
coming to an end, Okay, when it's coming to an end, are
you going to look back and go? Man? I really wish I had
done that. That was a great idea. I wish I had followed through.
Just go do it. There's nothing stopping you. You know, well,
you'll put things in the way. You'll you'll find things. I don't
have the time, and I uh, I don't have the time, And
I gotta spend time with Boo. Boom really wants me to listen to all
their problems about school. And I could be writing the book, but I
gotta listen to Boo's problems in our school that teams, and I mean,
I'm making fun of you. Yes, I have three jobs. I understand.
I understand in the podcast. Yeah, I got you. I got
you. But you can I can find time take an hour the book taking
neither of I And I'm doing it, yes, every day, every day,
every day, all right, enough, all right, cool, I
can't wait to read it. I write the forward. Yeah, I don't
know that it'll be a book. This is trying to make a pilot out
of it, and they may turn into other things. But yes, but
I spend an hour a day so everybody can make fun of me. Tell
me how it sucks. There are a million books and no one's gonna read
your shoh, shut up. Yes, exactly, exactly exactly, that is
exactly right. I didn't watch Doug's movie too this weekend? Oh did you?
How was it? I haven't seen Doug's movie. Maybe a reason why?
Okay, because I have to convince Boo to watch it, so I
need a review. I would like I would like you to actually watch it.
I would love you to watch it. I would love to. Okay.
So, since we've had this conversation today about my my, my rush
to judge, my rushes to judgment. Remember Mystery Science Theater three thousand,
where the two aliens are sitting there commenting on every movie. I would love
to do a Mystery Science Theater three thousand. Will you be a Doug watching
Doug's movie and taping all of us watching the movie. The director give it
in the live commentary, right, it's uh, it's it's. It has
a sweet sweetness to it, but strippers with the hearts of gold. No,
it's not that so much, but it's and it's got a story.
There's a story. I found myself invested, you know in terms of that.
But some of the dialogue and stuffing. What the fuck Douggy, you
know he's gonna get up very upset when I talked to him about it,
because he's been asking me to watch it. So when he's in this week,
did you watch my movie yet? You know? He reminds me of
you. He reminds me of don't. Oh no, no, no,
he's no, no, remember Chip Kelly, who's not the offensive cooridator at
Ohio State. Chip Kelly and Doug have the same look, the same speaking
cadence, the same voice, you know, like except once was a head
coach of the NFL and college football. Doug's probably watching the other guy's on
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its number one, the debut number one. I think you climbed number one.
I thought it came out on the day of the Super Bowl, right
around there. But it's a real live again and a real live ho down.
Don't be a bitch, come take it to the floor. Now.
It sounds that I very talented. Yeah, she is never a huge fan
of other people like Queen Bee and all that, but I was. I
don't get any of that. It was just impressed. I was impressed.
I thought it sounded good. And there are songs of hers that I think
are fantastic and something just I don't I may not even know of she works
it. Man. Yeah, you realize what kind of shape you have to
be to be Beyonce in her shows. Like she's incredibly ripped, like like
Madonna used to be incredibly ripped too. Maybe she still is. To perform
the way she does and dance and sing and all that, it is hard,
man. I got to think the same thing for Taylor. I mean,
yeah, just the stamina to be on stage and singing yes for three
out. I think it's a different kind of shape for Taylor because I don't
think I don't see Taylor doing a lot of dance stuff that Beyonce does.
No, No, it's more like standing and playing guitar and but just the
stamina and teaking yourself. But yes, one hundred percent. Stone, don't
they have like a traveling gym? So I think it was Tommy Burnett was
in here and they were backstage at a Stone show. I don't know if
it was thorough Good or somebody opening up, and he had was friends with
those guys. So he's backstage and they they were kicking people out. Mick
was coming through and you weren't allowed to move it over, told you you're
not allowed to look at Mike or something. You don't look at Mick,
And I don't know so, but Mick was just coming through to go to
He had his own eighteen wheeler and inside was this gym. Well it was
this complete gym, the Global Jim. So I have no idea, but
he I'm pretty sure they were told that you not allowed to look at him
or something when he moves. The new season of Curb Your Enthusiasm, the
first three episodes. I finally caught up over the weekend, and uh,
that's a show that to me, when you look for the last bastioning of
you really can't say that on TV, but they're going to push the envelope.
That's the one more than any other. I think there were a couple
of things. And granted I had some of these chocolate covered thc whatever they
were, and I think they were five milligrams each and I went one,
two and then I did I did a third one, So everything was a
little bit funnier. Maybe they just mallowed you out. It was not.
I wasn't going anywhere. I was home, but uh, this is some
Curb You again. Now this guy JB. Smooth is coming to the comedy
Club in a couple of weeks. He's doing like maybe two shows. I'm
not sure how many shows, but tickets. If they're not they're gonna go.
And that's who you're hearing. Does those Crown Rail Vanilla Commerce you got
it? And he used to do the uh with the Manning family. He
also did the whatever the yeah the Caesar he was Caesar, Yeah, he
was Caesar Cooper's my favorite. Yes. So here is this is JB.
Smooth And it's basically that he's butt dialing Larry's butt dialing him. Seein you
again? Fourth time today? Jeez? Another butt dial man. I'm sorry,
it puts me in the best spot, puts you puts me in the
worst spot. Because I called the guy last week. I hadn't spoken to
him in fourteen years, and so I got to pretend that I was calling
him right and then the next thing you know, you have him dinner.
See me. I'll carry my phone in my front pocket, so sometimes I
dig dial people by mistake. Oh one time I ordered a pizza by mistake.
The shoulders up? What is this? You ordered a pieza earlier?
Wow? Fucking dick that's sometime I hear my dick dollar the number. Try
watching that while you're a little bit stone exactly. Do you know what I
mean? You know what I mean? You know what I do? You
know what I mean? He's dick tiled, dick tiled. And then Larry
also in one of the episodes, because I watched the first three pulled,
pulled to something that's me for uh for his uh manager's wife's birthday, Susie's
birthday, somebody gets her a dog. Actually it's Larry's ex wife and Ted
Danson show up and they bring her the cutest little puppy. So they're out
playing golf and it's uhin is. They're out behind his manager's house and they
hear like the howling of a kyote or something and the yelping of a dog
and kyo, and he goes, what if we're like right behind my house?
What if that's what if that's the puppy and it's and Larry goes,
what are you gonna do? It's a beautiful day, sons out we're playing
golf. What are you gonna do? You're gonna get back there? And
and for what the misery that the dog's dead. It's not like you could
save the dog, right, you might as to just stay here. And
then later on it comes up in conversation and she said, and she overhears
them and she's like, you said up a bit, you would come home.
But it's my point. It's like, what do you canna do?
Right said? Nothing you can't do, so might as well enjoy what you're
doing. It's funny, is terrible, Like I feel like they have to
blame somebody, right, but that But my thing would be like if that
were the dog, Yes, it's awful. I don't want to see it
happen. But if I were alcoholic, here's hopefully because they walk into the
dogs still alive and they're like, oh, it's alive. But then there
was this moment too that made me laugh really really hard. And this is
one of these things where you I think you can only get away with it,
especially in today's climate. If you're Larry David, Wow, this has
been your education for me on my own. This is leon you know.
So it's a black neighbor who has it. The has a lemon tree that
Larry uh. The branches come over on Larry side and Larry takes some lemons
off the lemon tree. Well the roots are wrapping around like some pipes.
So the guy's like, look, I got to get rid of it.
But since you take some of the lemons, he wants to split the cost
of the removal of the tree. Okay, okay, so it's gonna be
like twelve or thirteen hundred each because like twenty seven hundred to take the tree
down. So he's in there. He's a but he's a black guy.
He lives next door. And then Leon's a black guy, and so this
is what happens. Wow, this has been your education for me on my
own. Oh this is Leon, you know, Dwayne our neighbor. Oh
yeah, he gets a brother right away. Yes, we do. Every
black person you meet, you say brother too, Hey brother, say brother
and you give him on what right do? Uh huh yeah you do respectful
not not is like our Aloha, I don't do a June nod. Guy's
got that song already hates you. No, No, let's hey June j
anyway, Dwayne, let's have that adult discussion. Maybe it was funnier to
me because I was and he goes, you got that song? Hey jew,
He goes, No, it's Hey, Jude, I couldn't stop haling,
but I go where else are you seeing anybody acknowledge? Like, hey
yeah, black guy, Yeah that's what black guys do to black guys.
Yeah yeah, Like there is this thing but we won't talk about it.
But he's he's just remember when he hosted Saturday Night Live and he got in
trouble for talking about trying to pick up women at the Holocaust. Do you
remember, Oh yeah, uh yes, And so he got a lot of
it, but he'd be's like, I'm chewings. Well, he did a
whole bit on taking the sneak. There was an episode where Larry Larry,
There's there's a Holocaust museum. He's at the Holocaust Museum and there's this pile
of sneakers and for whatever reason, he needs sneakers there off the Holocaust Museums.
Thing basically go mom and jew. But it's all this stuff that I
just think, you can't can't, you can't talk about him. We put
these rules. It's funny, that's funny. There was this one episode where
these two lesbian couple want to adopt an Asian baby, and he comes up
with these name ideas that sound Asian to him, and he's like rationalizing the
whole thing, and these women are ticked off at him, but he thinks
he's doing him a favor. But explain it to him. I mean,
so if that show will actually push those envelopes that we can't really push anymore,
well, I think that's what makes it even funnier. I's like,
I can't believe he really said that. Yes, And but at the same
time, I wonder would it leads to a discussion. Is it a little
more authentic and honest than what we're what we deal with on a daily basis.
Absolutely, I think though the Okay, this is going to be judgmental,
Dan here, here we go. But I think that the powers that
be one want us to be trapped with those parameters so that they can keep
power, or maintain power, or accuse you of people in other words,
we don't They don't want us to have an honest discussion so they can accuse
you of racism when you say something that you didn't know could be racist,
or if you get into that position. They don't want us discussing this.
They want to keep It's almost like they want the opposite of what the sixties
were supposed to stand for, which is to bring people together. They want
us, they want to separate people. Now, who's they? They the
elitists, the ones who want to contrive. I don't want to get into
all this. Here we go, here we go. This is what's ruining
your life. Look, there are many people. Again they're gonna go.
Danny's right, Yeah, Danny's right. They are right. This is a
thing. And my thinking on it is who are they and why aren't we?
And why aren't we just having the discussion? We should have the discason
one? But why are we allowing them to prevent us? There are certain
things. Yes, you get uncomfortable. You don't want to upset people.
We don't want to set people off or or make them feel as though,
hey, you know, because it is offensive some of the well like Archie
Bunker, well you know colors. Yeah, okay, that's not such.
We don't need that's horrible. But this stuff was funny where you're recognizing that
is that what black guys do? Yeah, I think those things are discussions
that I think could happen. And yeah, there's a certain recognition and I
don't know, it's like going into like seeing your frap brother or something I
assume. Yeah, I mean I would love I would welcome stuff like that,
this type of discussion, it really is. But I love the Dictyle
didzza and my Dick ordered pizza and then the hey juw no, it's hate
juw oh. I thought you had your own song that maybe because it's and
a lot of this stuff is improvd and and who knows, maybe some people
may not like this show or appreciate this show whatever. It's been on for
twelve seasons. This is the final season. Do you ever wish that we
could have like remember like they used to have Handy and Colmes and you know,
Sean Hendy was far right and Colmes was far left, but they would
have a discussion, yes, But eventually that got replaced by that cross talk
show with Tucker Carlson at the time, and I forgot who the other guy
was, and then John Stewart went on and then ripped both of them,
and then we never had those types of shows again afterward, because John Stewart
said that you guys really don't argue about real points or take it really seriously.
You're just like upholding each other's talking points for that matter, And we
never get any real dialogue. So then CNN decided we're not doing this,
and Fox decided we're not doing Handy and Colmes anymore, and so we don't
get those discussions. We're gonna say that the power was John Stewart that ruined
it. I don't know if it was or not. But we haven't seen
anything like that anymore. We don't. We don't get that. We don't
get it. They try, they try it sometimes on some of the show
they try to You're right there. I don't think there's one show aimed at
that. I mean, think about all the personnalities who go after each other
in sports radio and in talk radio, talk television and sports television that why
don't you guys just sit down hash it out. I'll do it. Well,
why don't you come on my show? No, no, you come
on my show? But they love it because like they just keep feeding our
audience, man, just keep feeding. And I think we need these discussions.
I think we need to have a dialogue. I think we'd be further
along. I have thought that too, but the question is like how and
with whom and what what's going to be and uh things things have changed over
the years. I think that I don't know for the better in terms of
some some situations and in other's not I think have made it harder to have
a discussion about these things. I think it's uh. I think that there's
some things I always I go back to this, if you want to unify,
sometimes you've got to call out some of the ugliness. And some of
the ugliness automatically makes people fight away. It's racist or whatever. Okay,
but if you want to have the discussion and kind of you got to get
the ugly stuff out of there, and maybe you'd find at the base that
most people have the same humanity. I think that there are people that feel
like they that certain groups of people get a better opportunity in this country than
others. In other words, I didn't get affirmative action. That's bullshit.
I didn't get this. I didn't get that, and don't I don't know.
I never think about it. I did an anniversary present. Okay,
I don't think about it, and I'm not saying that. Yeah, I'm
sure there are people who are very frustrated that they didn't hit the threshold in
someone who Okay, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you.
I think it was trying to give people an opportunity that never had an
opportunity, right, So that's why we had those things. I don't know,
but these are discussions that people build up inside of people and build up
inside of people till they're so angry about it that it's going to ruin everything,
right, and then we don't have the discussion, and so it leads
to nothing. But if you could vent your frustration about it, well,
I'm told I can't, I can't say anything. Well, maybe try to
find a different way to say the same thing. Coming to like a bowl
in the china shop. As my mother used to say, you're like a
bone of china shop. Isn't plan to state analogy seeds? Well, just
like have a conversation with somebody and go, hey, look I feel like
this. You feel like that, you tell me, or maybe I'll see
it differently. I don't know right what we'll end it with this. Tom
Brady, one of the greatest, worked really hard, right, worked really
hard all his life, greatest American athlete of all time, said that his
over Jordan trying, I mean like even becoming the starter at Michigan. And
then the next year Drew Henson's coming along and you gottaf you gotta hold him
off, and the coach came to him, and there's a lot of I
was a Michigan fan. There's a lot of promise in Henson too, and
I think there were a lot of people saying, ooh uh, the first
quarter is you, second quarter is Henson? And at halftime, I'm going
to make my decision as to who the starter is. I think it's how
the story went for his senior or his fifth year, his fifth year,
and then he was, you know one, well, Tom Brady for a
lot of people, the underdog, the ultimate underdog. And now it's coming
out that could I don't know how true this is, but it's from the
New York Post via the Daily Mail. Who just I mean, these two
papers will get down in the mud, will find the ugliness. But this
says it's talking about the split and the fact that Gizelle now has her jiu
jitsu. Her jiu jitsu instructor is now her. I guess his name is
Valente. All right, So Gizelle, Bunching and Valente did not begin dating
until June twenty twenty three, eight months after Brady and Gizelle had finalized their
divorce, and a source told The Daily Mail, if she wants to have
people think she has been dating Joaquim I believe is his name only since June,
so be it. But they have been together longer and they are aren't
taking it slow. Tom has accepted it. A lot of times, relationships
overlap for people, right like you know, yeah, yeah, okay,
they overlap, like you're you just found something that was better. Yeah.
I was the husband on the side. She said something like, he's our
teacher. Most importantly, he's a person I had meyer and that I trust.
It's so good to have that kind of energy, to have my kids
around that type of energy. She told that to Vanity Fair in March of
twenty twenty three. And so the question is, uh, I don't know
that Tom has had anything to do with this article or not, but everybody
has this thing. He was never around no. His focus was football trument,
I mean insanely. So his thing was, I have to do everything.
Everybody's going to do the same thing. I got to do something a
little bit more. He always a little bit mentality of being the one and
ninety ninth player taken in that draft I guess he always had the mentality of
being looked over at Michigan but drew. But it cost him his marriage potentially
potentially too arguably the most beautiful woman in the world. That's which beauty's in
the guy the holder, right, But sure, and so I don't I
don't know what the lesson is, but always know there's a price, is
my point death ped you're going to ask yourself was it worth it? But
even with the with Tom Brady, I mean that makes him a little more
human, right, all of a sudden, now we go, wait a
second, Giselle and the jiu jitsu instructor were wrestling on the mat more before
June of twenty twenty three or whatever it was. Yeah, probably probably,
And I'm sure was it twenty two? I don't know. I mean well
because remember like it was twenty two tom Brady played last season, remember that
summer where he missed like nine days of training campers, Oh, he's gotta
be on the on the on the mask singer. Yeah, and we found
out yes, sweet is So that's probably when maybe h Yeah, it does
humanize him a little, that humanizes everybody. Could best have men are men
at best? Yes, that's what you can relate to. Yes, it
doesn't matter how much money or to be cheated you don't like, but you
don't like having this out there or known. Right. Tom's not gonna say
anything, He's gonna be above that, but you know, and who knows
what he did? I mean, I've so I've been studying a lot of
Christian writers lately, just influencers. I guess you could call him right over
the time. And I've what I've found from them. Jesus was a great
Christian influence. He was the best God in the flesh. But what I've
read about a lot of these guys is that they were all highly flawed people
in some cases, and like it's some and at one point, there's one
I'm not gonna say his name, well I could say his name is a
w tozer aw Toaster was never around for his seven kids because he was so
busy being a missionary that when he came home, he was working on his
next mission instead of raising his kids. And it's like, if you can't
take care of your kids and your family, then what's the point of evangelizing
the world. And now it reached a lot of people though, so It's
one of those things where Okay, I'm not the scene of God, but
like the point is even the man with the best of intentions failed somewhere.
Right. I'm not saying Tom Brady failed in his marriage, but it sounds
like he spent a lot more time in football doing football than somebody. And
here goes the jiu jitsu guy and making her feel good and safe and comfortable,
and they build up a relationship, and maybe she complains about Tommy's never
round. Do they have one of those scenes where, like you know in
the movies where he's showing her, he's instructing her, and he's getting a
little close. No, you want to fight like this, Oh, how's
it? How's it go? She ever see couples retreat? Yeah, the
movie and they're doing the yoga and stuff and he goes like this like yeah,
yeah, yeah, right right, getting right into it. All right,
Well, wrap it up for our Monday episode. For Dan Barrillo thirty
years ago, What's Nangry as he is Today's eighth grade Man. Ninety four
was a great year. It was also a very controversial year. Yes it
was, yes, see you're I graduated in Saint John Fishing University, my
bil Moran. We'll see you tomorrow. Old damn didn't know what to do.