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I am here with Jason McClellan, greetings, Hello, and then of course
I am Alejandro Rojas. So how you doing Jason? I'm good, buddy,
How are you not too bad? Surprisingly better than I thought I might.
After my home team getting just trounced by Maureen's own team, yep,
Seahawks did it. Yeah, so that was pretty pretty not much fun at
all. You know what all else wasn't fun, Alejandro. The two previous
years there were a lot of advertisements, the Super Bowl commercials it had alien
and UFO themes. Good point, they were zero this year. That's a
really interesting. Yeah, that is funny. That seemed to be like a
trend right, the new commercials happening UFOs and aliens in them. But now
that you mention it, I can't think of one. Nope. I don't
believe there was a single commercial with extraterrestrial theme. So it's pretty interesting.
Is there a popularity waning or whining? Yeah? I was whining, that's
for sure. Definitely. Yeah, so interesting stuff. But otherwise, did
you have on I mean being you didn't really have a horse in the game,
as they say, well, certainly not your horse, yeah, uncles,
No, I wasn't wasn't invested either way, but it was it was
still fun. Yeah, it's funny too. People always say, oh,
you know, people were so sure, oh you know, it's in the
bag and they got it. But you could just never be sure with these
things. That's why it's exciting. Yeah, and I always kind of take
a little bit of pleasure when the underdog kind of wins, so of course
that's always fun. All right, So as usual, we'll talk about the
news, but first I want to talk about the guest for this week,
and that is Jason Martell. And you may have seen him on Ancient Aliens,
but he's into the ancient astronaut theory. And all of that kind of
stuff. And he has this new website called Ancient Secrets where you know,
you can go subscribe there and get some more research on ancient aliens and all
of that sort of thing. So we're going to be talking to him about
that. So that's a lot of fun. Of course, there's a lot
of fans of the Ancient Aliens genre out there. Before that, though,
let's go ahead and talk about our favorite news stories on UFOs from the past
week or so. And it seems like it's been a little slow news wise
lately. Well, it definitely has been slow news wise, and that paired
with the fact that we recently moved offices and we've had, you know,
issues with our Internet connectivity and our servers and all that, and also with
us being slammed preparing for the International UFO Congress. That means there have been
fewer stories posted on Openminds dot tv than usual. But we've got a couple.
Alejandro and I will start it off with an interesting story that's I'm seeing
it still make headlines, and that is there's a scientist suing NASA for failing
to investigate alien life. Now this is referring to that jelly donut, as
they call it, that was photographed on Mars by the Opportunity rover photographed this
thing in mid January. It's a rock of sorts that just magically appeared.
They rover photographed that same location fourteen days prior, and then magically, when
it was there, later saw this object that wasn't there before. Now the
scientist is requesting that NASA perform a public, scientific, and statutory duty,
which is they wanted to closely photograph and thoroughly scientifically examine and investigate this object
that the scientist believes is a biological organism. We think that's the type of
mushroom or something that was there all along, and it just took this fourteen
days or whatever to find the grow to where it could be visible by the
rovers camera. NASA's responded to this the same way they responded when they initially
found the object, simply saying, hey, it's a rock. We said
it's a rock. We did very thoroughly investigate it. We did some testing
on it. We found the chemical structure of it. It's bizarre. We'll
point out that it's very bizarre. We haven't seen anything like this, but
it's still a rock. They're confident it's a rock. At least that's what
you're saying. That's the public statement they've made. But this scientist here,
he has filed for a motion for a rid of mandamus, basically something by
the federal court here that will if he is granted this, it will force
NASA to then go and do more test things probably not going to happen.
And the scientist, doctor Rowan Joseph, is a controversial a scientist. He's
been involved in a lot of controversial studies. So that was something that mainstream
media loved to latch onto immediately when this lawsuit started. They started ripping him
apart and saying, oh, a pseudo scientist or a self proclaimed scientist.
He is a doctor. He does have a doctorate degree and has done scientific
studies. So I don't know what more do they want to call him a
scientist. He is a scientist. And whether or not you think he's a
scientist who does legitimate studies or worth wild studies, you know, that's certainly
up for debate. But he is a scientist. He's filed a lawsuit against
NASA for failing to investigate alien life. So it's an interesting story. Yeah.
I mean, on the one hand, I can see his point where
he wants closer look at this object because you know, he feels it maybe
a plant or a fungus or something like that. But he kind of is
asking for a lot. You know, he should be the guy to look
at it and all of this stuff. Is that right? He wants all
of NASA, that wants NATHA to do all of these tests, get all
these photos, then give him to him so he can analyze them. Yeah,
that's kind of I could see where that helps. You know, people
ridicule his whole case there, right, But I mean I totally understand and
I agree with him. It would be great to have more data and have
all additional photos and stuff that we can all see, that other scientists can
see and look at it more, because, as NASA's admitted, this is
something very strange, so it'd be great to look into it more. I
mean, they've got these robots rolling around while like dismiss it and go,
oh, we found something really cool. Okay, let's keep going. Yeah
you found something, like get excited and look at it. So you know,
I got to say too, though, one thing that's really frustrating,
and I think that the skeptics or the scientists who balk at this kind of
stuff go overboard. He's part of the Journal of Cosmology, which of course
is controversial, or at least he's submitting some stuff there where These are a
group of astrobiologists who believe that you know, in panaspermia and that there probably
is more evidence that there is life out there, and that that life has
been seated here on Earth and everything. But they go overboard, you know,
the critics when they start to question whether they're actual scientists or not.
One of those guys who is part of that group is Richard Hoover, who's
going to be speaking at our conference. And I was reading some of the
old stories, you know, where he in twenty eleven submitted a paper or
where he felt, you know, there's a meteorite that had a science of
extraterrestrial life on it, and they went after his credentials and whether he's even
an astrobiologist. Meanwhile, he's like the lead of the astrobiology research group at
NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. So I mean, I don't know how much
more credential you could be as an actual astrobiologist so not that it's definitely hard
to find who is an astrobiologist, but obviously this guy was, and I
mean this Rowan Joseph is definitely a scientist. I mean to call him not
a scientist or self proclaimed scientist, yeah, it's really insulting and just I
mean, it's floppy journalism and it makes you I don't know, I think
it discredits what you're trying to say. I mean, it doesn't if you
disagree with what he's saying, that's fine, but you start, you know,
doing these like childish attacks, Oh he's not a scientist or only he
thinks he's a scientist, Like, give me a break. Your your argument
is losing there because you don't have thought arguments, so you have to resort
to childish name calling and yeah, trying to pull the person down without just
focusing on the facts, right right, it's really I mean, they get
vicious. So, I mean, I think this guy's suit is kind of
ridiculous. But yeah, you know, I disagree, and I think there
are a lot of issues with how skeptics and people who disagree with this stuff
have approached the story. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of sad when they
do that. Yeah, so that is an interesting story. We'll see where
that goes. I think we'll get some more attention there because a lot of
media has picked it up. So I'm sure that's absolutely It's not gone yet,
right, But otherwise, yeah, my stories are I just want to
quickly mention, really I want to talk about these UFO settings. There are
only two other stories from last week, but there was one over Japan and
it was some impressive orange lights. But the US military came out and said
that was us. Those are our military flares, and I believe him if
you go look at the video. I've seen flares. I posted a video
of some flares that I've gotten. I think it is flares but more interesting.
And one that is a little bit harder to identify as his light over
Fort Mills, South Carolina. And it's just kind of this YouTube guy.
He's been on YouTube for years and these are the first videos he's posted.
You can tell he's just like a casual YouTube user, you know, going
and looking at videos and stuff like that. But he feels like he saw
a UFO and video taped it and this is his light in the sky and
it starts off during the day and it's kind of moving back and forth.
It's moving in one direction, so you think, okay, maybe doesn't look
like a plane. It's not blinking, it's bright, but then it turns
back and moves the other way, and then it stops and goes straight down
like it's so it could be a quad copter or something like that. It's
flying pretty high if it is, so, I would guess it might be
a professional one if it is. But it's really interesting. And obviously this
guy felt it was interesting and videotaped it and posted it as a UFO and
he got two videos, so it came back later. It was already kind
of early twilight the first time, so there was starting to get dark,
and the second time it's darker out. So I think this video is pretty
interesting. It is interesting, you're right. I mean, all you see
is a ball of light in the sky. Well they're still light out,
so it looks like it might be an illuminated self illuminated object. But you're
right, I think moves as exactly as you described, just kind of back
and forth, hovers in the sky, So it could be an RC craft
or something else, but it's most likely not, you know, like an
airplane or a helicopter or any normal aircraft. Yeah, or a balloon.
I don't think it's all not a balloon, not a Chinese lantern exactly.
Yeah, but yeah, definitely interesting videos. I'm blotty posted on these are
These are good, good to see and uh man, I hope you can
figure out what they are because they're pretty fascinating. Yeah, so we'll see
if they get more attention and if some people figure something out. So but
yeah, pretty good videos. So of course people can go to Open Minds
at TV to see those. All right, Well, thank you, mister
McClellan. It is always my pleasure, Alejandro, and no, it's it's
my pleasure. No, it's my pleasure. No. Oh and by the
way, we got to mention some side field because we're a bit banned.
But it looks like at least a new Seinfeld episode. Huh well sort of,
yeah, sort of. I mean there was already a sort of a
new Seinfeld episode when they did the pseudo reunion on Criby Your Enthusiasm. Yeah
that was much better. But yeah, during the Super Bowl it was an
ad for Jerry's show Coffee Getting our comedians and cars getting Coffee have you seen
that. It's actually pretty good. I've seen a little bit. It does
look good. So it seems it's like on his show, that show,
they're going to have like a pseudo kind of Seinfield episode. Is that what's
going on? I don't think they've really announced that. I mean, they
had the super Bowl commercial that had Jason Alexander and they were at Tom's restaurant
that was Monk's Cafe and Seinfeld. But I think it was just an ad
for Jerry's show, and Alexander will probably be on it. I mean,
Larry David's been on it before. Oh okay, so that's I think that's
all it was. There was a lot of hype before the super Bowl about
oh, there's going to be a Seinfield reunion and all this stuff, and
even Seinfeld had talked and they're all what people saw you filming at Tom's restaurant
was that. Rumors are that that was for a super Bowl commercial, and
he actually denied that and said, no, it's not that, but you'll
you'll find out soon what it is. So I don't I don't really know
the full story, but to me, it just seemed like it was an
ad for his show. All right, great, Well, wanted to give
people an update on the whole Seinfield thing. Oh yeah, you can count
on us for that. Yeah, all right, thanks man, you bet
okay, So let's go ahead and get Jason Martel on the line. All
right. I am very happy to have on the line Jason Martel. I
almost said ancient alien Jason Martel. But that's your specialty, not necessarily what
you are. Yes, yes, that's correct. Well, thank you so
much for having me on the show, Alejandro. Yeah, it's a great
pleasure to have you on. You know, we've met a few times,
and of course you're you're busy in this field, but we haven't I don't
think i've ever had you on the show before. I don't think so.
No, we've never actually done an interview, but now now it's definitely time,
so I guess to start. I think it'd be interesting to know how
you got involved with that ancient astronaut theory and research. Of course, Well,
you know, I'm thirty nine now, and I started this when I
was around twenty one, and essentially I was just a college student in San
Diego and someone had just kind of casually mentioned to me that there were pyramids
and a face on Mars in this region called Sidonia. And you know,
not being familiar with UFOs or aliens or any of this type of information,
I became very interested in this idea that there could be artificial structures on Mars
and started from a very skeptical point of view. And it turns out that
the principal camera operator that's putting cameras that we send to Mars to take pictures
on the surface as well as in orbit, it's from mainly one company in
San Diego, where I was also attending college. It's called mail in Space
Science Systems. While Andro I, just as a Laneman College student, contacted
persistently and finally got a hold of doctor Mike Maile and then just asked him
on the phone, listen, is there any possibility that these faiths and pyramids
are artificial? And he said, you know, no, these are all
natural phenomenon. He wrote it by sand and wind. So that really piqued
my interest because I was able to find five to ten peer level reviews scientists
might not work at NASA but held PhDs in image analysis of satellite telemetry,
and one guy, specifically doctor Mark Carlotto. You can google his name,
Mark Carlotto, and you know, he basically developed these algorithms on fractal mathematics
where he would run his fractal algorithm on satellite telemetry, satellite imagery over Russia
and he could identify, oh, look, those are tanks or troops or
you know, a military base that's routed by shrubs or a tarp or something.
And so he would use these same fractal algorithms of the satellite telemetry that
we got from Mars over Sidonia, and it turns out that the face and
pyramids have over a ninety eight percent probability to be artificial, just like the
tanks and troops were identified using misfractal algorithms. Now, the bumber, Alejandro
right is Nason never did any type of forthcoming research like that. They just
simply said there's no facing pyramids on Mars. So that's what really kind of
started me off and realizing, you know, here we have structures possibly that
are artificial on another planet. Well wait a minute, we have megalistic monuments
all over the Earth here that we really don't know who built them or what
they're for. And so that's what kind of caught me down the path of
looking into this idea of the ancient astronaut theory, because there are a lot
of questions that we still have. So I would imagine then you started to
visit some of these sites. I have been to a few of the locations,
and to be honest with the Alejandro, really what I've been focused on
in my research is one culture specifically that it's very hard to access in modern
times. It's a southern Iraq. You know. I basically started my own
search into looking at all these ancient cultures and trying to pinpoint where exactly do
we come from. Where's the oldest civilization that we have on record, and
right now that stands on the shoulders of Sumer. We've heard Mesopotamia, Babylon,
but in thirty eight hundred BC, it's roughly six thousand years ago.
Sumer pops up right out of the Stone Age and they have we credit them
with over one hundred of the first needed for my civilization. And again it's
you know, where modern day Iraq is now. So it's always been a
scene of controversy, but it is a difficult location unfortunately to actually physically visit.
But the information that we've received from this culture Sumer. You know,
it's really interesting for many reasons. One, the information that was left by
this civilization Sumer is in the form of thousands of stone tablets written text as
well as stone pictograms like pictures that accompany these texts. And so for me,
Alejandro, you know, I was raised as a Christian and a lot
of the things that I started to discover about this Sumerian information where they left
us this information written in stone, and it's at least four thousand years older
than what we have in the English Bible. Yet they tell the exact same
stories, things like a Noah's ark, the story of an atom being created,
you know, why there was a great flood. So for me,
I started to become very interested in looking at this ancient culture Sumer because not
only did they describe their daily events of you know, I will give you
a certain amount of money for you know, a barrel of hay, or
I'll trade you a donkey for this. You know, they recorded their daily
lives and very accurately used mathematics and made astronomical observations, and we confirmed that
they were a very smart culture. Now where it gets interesting is that they
also had a very deep knowledge base and recorded what they said were interactions with
their living gods. Just like the Bible said there was a time when there
were giants upon the earth. It appears that the Sumerians thirty eight hundred BC,
we're actually living in that time and we're living with these beings that they
called onunaki, and that term just meant those who from heaven come to earth.
So often when it comes to mythological beings or deities, well, all
cultures have them. However, what makes you feel that do you feel that
perhaps many cultures then have interacted with extra thresh rolls or do you think this
culture in particular didn't, perhaps others didn't eat How do you feel that way?
Sure? Well, no, that's actually a really good point, you
know, in my latest research. Let me start off by saying this another
way. I'm a big advocate of the ancient astronaut theory, and even though
I'm on a show on the History Channel called Ancient Aliens, I don't actually
subscribe to the idea that all these megalithic monuments and things that we have were
exclusively built by aliens, and not many research do for me. Specistically,
though, I think what we're dealing with, is there's a larger cycle of
time here on Earth that we seem to be affected by. People have heard
of the Golden Age or the Dark Ages, but this is part of a
larger cycle of time, Alojandro, And in my opinion, I have been
studying the line of research that shows most of the megalithic monuments around the world
are built to align to a certain constellation. It's kind of like a marker
in time, these alignments with star constellations, kind of like how Giza aligns
with a riot. Now it's the classic as you know them. These these
alignments will repeat over thousands of years for a reason. It's kind of like
a marker in time. So, in my opinion, Alejandro, the symbol
answer to your questionnaire is I don't think it's as black and white as that
we've been visited by aliens in the past. I think we go through a
larger cycle of time here on Earth that affects us at a larger scale.
That's kind of why we were all so interested in the Mayan calendar recently.
There is a larger cycle of time that all the ancients we're aware of where
we go, and even Plato called it the Great Year. But we seem
to be affected by this larger cycle of time. And I think as we
go into what we call the Golden Age, we're more likely to interact with
higher beings and be able to build advance structures and the like. But then
over thousands of years, we ascend back into the dark ages forget everything.
And so you know, we're talking about a cycle of time that's twenty four
thousand years right now. We call it the procession of the Equinox, and
we kind of track it by the twelve constellations that make up the zodiacal breakdown
of the heavens, and we move through these zodiacal ages every two thousand years.
So HALHANDRAI, I personally believe that, you know, there are times
when we have more interaction with these higher beings because we're at a higher state.
And then I would assume that as we go into more of the lower
state, not only do those interactions maybe not cease but diminish, but we
seem to lose it all. You know. As an example, we look
at ancient Egypt and consumer as an example which I've heavily studied, and see
massive signs of technology ancient batteries found in Iraq, working light bulbs and electricity
in ancient Egypt, massive information about astronomy and astronomical movements, and then we
forget it all, go into the dark ages, and only until the time
of Copernicus and Galileo we start to rediscover this information that somehow the ancients were
well aware of. When you talk about you know that this kind of age
of enlightenment or the periods where you know, man is able to build these
these structures, do you feel that you know that technological know how accompanies a
spiritual kind of enlightenment, Well, I do, And you know, I
would have to assume that with higher civilizations and higher knowledge also becomes also make
use of higher technology. Mits you at Kaku describes, you know, prominent
physicist doctor at Kaku describes several different layers of civilizations. And you know,
we're not even a type one civilization because we're still burning fossil fuels and the
like. So I would assume a much more advanced civilization type four, type
five harnessing the power of the sun or the natural energy of the star.
You know, we're just not there. So I'm sure if they're if they're
able to do that, then if they've got to be much more spiritually advanced
as well, mm hmm. And I asked that because I wonder is then
right now, because of course we're at a pinnacle of technology right now,
and you know, this has been a very quick ascension, you know,
from the last hundred years. Do you feel that we're going through one of
these phases right now? Well? I do, and you know, it's
a very interesting line of research that I've been looking into, Alejandro. I
think the reason why we have this exponential increase of knowledge is we are going
through, you know, an age that's going to change very soon. Right
now, we're in the age of Pisces, which is the symbol of a
fish, you know, the zsiacal symbol of a fish. And what's interesting
is that you'll see a lot of people with a little symbol of a fish
on the back of their car and has a little pross in editor says Jesus,
and they don't understand that that's actually a much older symbol than Christ and
Christianity, because it's a symbol of a marker of this astronomical process. The
symbol of Pisces is a symbol of a fish. We're going to be in
the Age of Pisces for about another one hundred and fifty years until we enter
the Age of Aquarius. Now, what does all that kind of stuff mean.
Essentially, Alejandro, we are moving through this large cycle of time and
it appears to be based on our Sun orbiting another sun. Essentially, our
solar system appears to be binary two sons. Now, most of the other
solar systems that we've been imaging from Hubble and the paytelloscopes that we have out
there, Spitzer and such, they're finding that most solar systems external systems have
at least two suns, some up to six or eight in this intricate dance.
So it's very possible that we are a binary solar system and our sun
is an orbit around another sun, possibly a brown drawer for a failed dark
star at this point. But this is where it gets interesting, Alejandro.
All of the current science to explain procession of the equinox is based on saying
that, you know, there's a wobble in the Earth, and they have
like two thousand variables in mathematical calculations to calculate this processional movement. Well,
it turns out there's a new model, much more simple, twelve variables,
and it's based on the idea again that we're binary. So think of it
this way. If our sun is orbiting another Sun, all of the planets
that means us on Earth, all of the planets are around our sun as
we're orbiting the Sun. If our son is moving through space around another Sun,
we too are moving through space. And so I know this is a
hard concept to grasp, but it's what appears to be happening, Alejandro.
Is when our two sons are at their closest point in orbit, we're in
the Golden Age. When the two sons are at their far this point,
we're in the Dark ages. There seems to be some correlation with this larger
cycle of time in this way that the suns orbit each other, that when
they're at their closest point, that energy or something with the two sons does
something to us and probably makes us evolve quicker in some way. So it's
a pretty heavy concept, but there is a lot of math and science behind
this. I've been working very closely with someone named Walter Cruttendon that runs the
Binary Research Institute. He's a business partner of mine. He also runs the
seat Pack Conference and has several prominent speakers every year talk about these topics in
this line of thinking that there's this lost cycle of time, and I gotta
say it is answering and putting into alignment a lot of things that I've been
looking into in the past as to why all these ancient monuments were possibly built.
M and so when it comes to then, and I think you mentioned
earlier it was like we also then steamed to have this ability to or to
be able to communicate or with higher beings. Sure, uh huh, So
do you think that's going on right now as well? Well? I do.
I think that there's you know, the current modern cover up is a
very hard veil to pierce. And you know, I tend to stick with
my research in the ancient artifacts because there's a plethora of evidence to point to
the signs that yes, there was obviously high technology being utilized and possibly visitation
because every culture around the world talks about beings that came from the skies and
went to great lengths to memorialize that info. The disconnect we have al Andre
is that people like you and I in modern euthology, there there there aren't
any ancient gods visiting us openly, because it seems the ancient people had experience
with and so that is kind of a letdown as to why we're not seeing
these visitations now. And I can only answer in my own opinion, you
know, and I personally believe that let's just call it for better or for
worse. The bad aliens, if you will, are the ones that are
currently in cahoots with our world governments, and these ancient gods might actually return
one day and regain power. Whether or not that would happen in our lifetime,
I don't know. But if there is a galactic community out there,
star treks, star wars, a conglomerate race of intelligent beings, they probably
look at us and see us blowing up a planet. We can't get along,
we're expelling natural resources. I feel like we're just being nudged in the
right direction. So that, yes, in the last one hundred years,
we have gained and learned things very quickly to hopefully join this community soon.
So do you think that might be a cycle as well as that when these
communications have happened in the past, that it has been different groups with different
intentions I think, so there's there's always the yin yang, dark, white
night day. So good and bad does exist not only on our plan,
but of course universally. And you know, one thing to convey when I
just getting back to this idea that there's a larger cycle of time that affects
us, you know, talking about how we might have two suns and this
affects us. Well, there are two smaller astronomical cycles that people will be
familiar with, just to get an idea of the context. The first cycle
is we're spinning on our access. Earth is spinning on its axis, which
causes day and night, and when it gets nighttime, lose consciousness and go
to sleep. That's all based on an astronomical movement that we don't have any
control over. Cycle two is Earth is orbiting the Sun. As we go
around the Sun, seasons change, animals migrate again. Those are physical effects
based on an astronomical movement. Over thirty ancient cultures reference to the idea that
we have two suns and that there's a larger cycle of time that affects us,
just as those two smaller cycles of us spinning or just going around the
Sun while our orbit around the second sun are two suns in orbit. This
is a much longer cycle with great effects on our EBB and flow of evolution.
But somehow many of the ancient cultures were aware of this cycle and marked
their place in time with these monuments that align to star constellation. M So
when it comes to some of these monuments that you have touched on before,
but are there any of these at least with what you're looking at with this
in sumer, Are there any of these ancient monuments that you feel we're we're
perhaps created by extra threst RULs or do you feel that perhaps it was just
a by humans that we're enlightened by uh, you know, third parties.
Well, you know, I get this question a lot of Alejandro is what's
the best piece of evidence in ancient aliens, you know, or what's the
smoking gun, you know, evident? And really I have to point to
a term which is vitrification. Vitrification simply means heating of a stone until it's
kind of like in a lava like state, or it becomes a glass like
And what we see throughout these ancient sites like Puma Punku or Teo Tiua Kan
or Machu Pichu even ballot back in Lebanon, like the Whaling Wall, and
these are sizes. There's these huge stones and they seem to have been fit
together with no mortar. You can't even slide a piece of paper between them.
And the answer to that, Alesandro is vitrification. Somehow the ancients were
able to take granite, deer rite, hardest stones on the surface of the
planet and get them to be into like a molten lava state. And now
they've become like putty. They're almost lava like, and they can carve out
blocks and fit them together and make intricate patterns like at Puma Punku, and
then the stones hardened back into a stone form and have keep and they keep
that fit of where they put them together while they were like this putty lava
like state. Now the kicker though, is how did ancient man have the
ability to heat stone to a lava like state. There's just no evidence of
the technology they were using, and we don't know how it was done.
Now when you talk about the vitrification, have those stones then been tested to
prove that that's what was happened, that they were at a higher temperature at
one point. What we see is this evidence of vitrification, where when when
stones are heated up to a lava like state and then you were to like
slide a knife over it or some solid surface, it leaves this glass like
finish. And so we see this evidence of vitrification all over these ancient stones
that yes, they were showing signs of high heat had been applied to them.
Yeah, because there's the walls that you refer to, of course,
are just very mysterious. I mean, it's incredible to look at these entire
walls with these stones just perfectly fitted together. Yeah, and again that's we
can theorize now how it was done, but we can't find the tools on
how they were able to accomplish this. So yeah, it really does.
It really does raise a lot of questions. And some of these stones,
I mean are qumongous right where it would be a wall, like some of
the largest stones sure well the Whaling Wall or actually the best one I like
is in Battleback Lebanon. What we have are these huge slabs that have been
stacked perfectly. It looks kind of like a huge landing pad for a spaceship
to be honest with you. But the stones are called trelifted tons. Stones
they weigh hundreds of tons, sometimes even up to one thousand tons. And
the real kicker, as you just mentioned, is most of these stones were
quarried from sites that are five or ten miles away. We have no technology
today in modern times with cranes and super cranes that can lift a four hundred
ton rock out of a quarry site and move it such a distance. So
it really does start to raise a lot of questions as to how ancient man
was moving stones several miles that weigh, you know, in excess of trilupeton
size stumps. Mm hm right, so pretty wild staff. So those are
some situations where you feel that perhaps there was some direct extraterrestrial intervention in the
creation of these monuments. Well, let's talk about Giza as an example of
the Great Pyramids. Now, Giza, obviously from an architectural standpoint, is
aligned to true north south. It's situated right on the perfect middle of Earth's
land masses, like all of our land masses combined. Giza, the pyramid
of you know, the Great Pyramid, is right in the middle of all
of our land masks. And not only that, but the three pyramids were
built to the line to the Orion constellation, and we can we know this
for fact using charting software like redshift that shows you where the stars are going
to be at night or tomorrow night or next week or ten thousand years ago,
twelve thousand years ago. It turns out the Orion constellation is a perfect
alignment with the three keys of pyramids on the ground at ten thousand, five
hundred BC. So one, there's the architectural planning that somehow it's just off
the charts and amazing. But two, the building blocks, the actual stones
used to build the Great Pyramid, it would have taken like twenty four hours,
NonStop, many many more years than what's been proposed for a physical labor
force to have somehow built that pyramid. The stones are two perfect They're almost
like cement blocks coming out of a factory. They're all perfectly the same size.
So you know, when we look at the Great Pyramid, there's a
lot out of controversy simply just in the evidence that it's probably much older than
we think twenty five hundred BC. Egyptian culture does not line up to the
fact that why do the pyramids align to the Irian constellation? Eight thousand years
earlier at ten thousand, five hundred BC. We have evidence in other areas
of Egypt, too, like in Dendera where they've built a beautiful zodiac on
the wall marking all the star constellations they would see above them at the time
eight thousand years ago. So there's just a lot of evidence to suggest the
Pyramids even erosion around the SPHINXX. The inner walls of the SPHINXX show massive
water erosion. There hasn't been any great rain on the Giza deserts for ten
thousand years, so you know, there's just a lot of pointers and things
that are coming up now in our new research capabilities that put a lot of
these monuments into question to say, well, they're probably a lot older than
we think, and then how are they actually built? To give you kind
of the the you know, the Twitter version here of how I think these
monuments all come in to play with each other. People have heard of the
idea of Atlantis, some lost advanced culture that sunk on it, you know,
there was on a continent that sunk into the ocean. Well, it
turns out if there was ever an Atlantean culture, which I think there was,
it would have been a global civilization. It appears that what we've been
finding, Alejandro, is that all the latest research in shows like Ancient Aliens
and research being done in the field is most of these new sites like go
Becle Tepe in Turkey, or if we go to like rap Anui and look
at the Moi heads, starting with Cobecle Tepe, we see these beings being
depicted all over Gobecley Tepe that are very long and slender, and their hands
are wrapped at the waste. If we go again to the most remote areas
on Earth, like Rapanui Island, Easter Island, the Moai heads, they're
not just heads. We see that we've been digging them out of the ground
and there are these long, slender bodies with their hands wrapped at the wasst.
We see these same depictions in Bada Valley, Indonesia, depictions in summer
of these slender beings with their hands wrapped the waste. So I think,
Alejandro, what I'm starting to see coming to clarity. All of the great
cultures we know of today, Mayans, Egyptians, Summer, they all reference
a lost advanced civilization that we're now starting to just start to piece together,
and I don't think that that culture was completely human mm hm. And so
do you have a sense of what might have happened to that culture? You
know, I really don't. I don't unfortunately, have the answer there yet.
But all the evidence is pointing to most of the great cultures that we
think of lost ancient cultures, Egyptian, Mayan, Sumerian, Aztech. They
all seem to have pieces of knowledge and a shared story of a base of
knowledge that seems to be coming from the same source. Because it's ubiqlitous around
the world. They all are telling the same story. So it must be
that there was some lost advanced culture that did exist here on Earth. But
now we're getting into way lost epochs of time, you know, ten fifteen,
twenty fifty thousand BC. This is new information. But anywhere we look
it's starting to fall in alignment. Even India with the Maha Barata and these
ancient veatic texts. You know, they talk about aerial battles happening ten thousand
years ago amongst the gods. So it's just a new line of looking at
mythological information. The culture has these myths, what we consider to be myths
of a time when the gods came down. But what if they're not myths?
What if this is their best way to convey with their knowledge at the
time what was taking place. It seems like they went the great lengths carving
in walls and writing these you know, intricate tales of uh you know,
on on stone in some cases to record these sacred defense mm hm. So
I know one of the things you're interested in as a kind of last technology.
So what to you is one of the greatest examples of an ancient technology
that was human made. But you know, perhaps, like you said,
influenced by elsewhere, but some of the examples are one of the best examples
out there in your mind. Sure well. I did a couple of experiments
for the Discovery Channel the History Channel on two artifacts. Specifically, one was
the Bagdad battery and the other was the dendera Egyptian light bulb. What we
have with the Baghdad battery is we've found about a dozen of these ancient batteries
and they're data to be around twenty five hundred BC. It's about four thousand
years old, and it's essentially just a clay pot. It's about four to
six inches tall, and it's got a copper lining inside and an iron rod
that you would just drop down into the middle of this pot. And if
you fill it with any type of weak acidic acid, grape juice, wine
vinegar and put an electro electrometer on it, or test for volts if you
will, you can actually generate positive volts by just simply filling this clay jar
a copper lining, iron rod again with a weak acidic acid, grape juice,
vinegar, and it generates positive volts. Now, modern archaeologists would say
that they were using this device to heat up precious elements like gold or silver
and sprayed over jewelry. But the alternative theory is that this is exactly what
it was. It's an ancient power source. That same timeframe of twenty five
hundred BC over in Egypt, not in Iraq, but over in Egypt.
We see very similar descriptions of these clay pot batteries, very large batteries,
actually being used in Egypt. And the kicker here is they are actually powering
what appear to be light bulbs in the area of Dendera, Egypt. Anyone
can just google google Dendera light bulb. We have what are clear depictions of
Egyptians holding up large light bulbs, and they're literally even plugged into what appears
to be like a power source in some kind. So I was basically able
to recreate the Baghdad battery and on camera generate positive vaults by just using gray
orange juice. I also had created a dendera light bulb replica of exactly what
you see the Egyptians were using, and using just a natural methane gas and
introducing a very light charge of electricity, it creates phosphorescence. A lot of
people have heard of swamp gas that misreported UFO sightings. Well that's because natural
methane gas sometimes comes up out of a swamp, and if the temperature's right
or spark is in the air, you can actually see a little like a
wave of light. And this is the same thing the Egyptians possibly were using,
was just introducing natural methane gas to a low heat signature and creating a
low level light field encapsulated in glass. Well that's kinda even if the Bagdad
battery was used to heat that metal and the spray it on Julia, that's
pretty cool too, But I know I thought so as well. Yeah,
that's pretty impressive. But so you think they were using those perhaps in conjunction
with these bipe bulbs as well. The only other theory that we have,
which I kind of like this one too, is you know there were always
in ancient times battles for different gods to you know, follow this god or
follow this god. They had various churches to entice people to come follow raw
or isis to these various gods. And one thing they would do with the
Baghdad battery is they could also be using a larger version, hook it up
to a statue and create kind of a static charge so that if someone came
and stood before the statue, they would hear kind of like a hum and
be like what is that And if they touched the statue, they would get
a little static charge and go, oh, it's the power of the gods.
Right. So they were always using you know, high priests, we're
finding ways to get access to technology and use that to make their church look
more powerful. Yeah. So those are some really interesting cases of technology.
But I do also, of course, want to talk about your new project
that you have going on, your ancient school. Well, you know a
lot of people ask Alejandro where can I learn more about these topics that I
see on TV and I just would like to explore it more on my own
time. And so what we did is we've gone ahead and set up Ancient
School where people that like this ancient astronaut theory or want to learn some of
this sacred lost knowledge. You, by signing up to Ancient School, will
receive a weekly video lesson with a top expert. It's delivered right here in
box each week. And uh, you know, just for your guests with
you know, Open Minds, I wanted to give you a you know,
a special Alejandro, and we've gone had set up a site to give your
listeners a free gift. It's a if they just go to Ancientbonus dot com
Ford Slash Radio. It's Ancient Bonus dot com Forward Slash Radio. You're going
to get a preview or a free lesson, a video lesson as well as
a copy of my book Ancient Alien Artifacts that show you several of the interesting
artifacts that we kind of touched on in today's conversation. But yeah, I'd
love for your listeners to check out what we're doing at Ancient School and see
if they'd like to become a member. Cool And what kind of lessons are
these? Whatether the type of things they can expect out of like a lesson
yep, Well it's going to be a video lesson taught with a top expert
just like myself. And basically we will take you through a thirty to forty
five minute lesson showing you things like the Baghdad battery or the Antikathera mechanism,
this ancient Greek computer, or looking into some of these topics like why these
monuments are aligned to the heavens, and just to get to explore this in
a format that is a little bit easier to and ingest. Okay, cool
and And so there'll be multiple people involved with these as well, that's correct.
We're going to have many of the researchers that you see in the show,
ancient aliens and prominent people that you see in the field now doing the
church, doctor Robert Shock, and various others that will be firsthand teaching you
about the findings they find that they find in the field. And then when
it comes to the book also, I think you said you had some new
research in there as well. Well, yes, they just you know,
by going to Ancient Bonus dot com Forward Slash Radio, you can sign up
and get a free copy of my book Ancient Alien Artifacts, which does have
most of the latest things that we've been discovering over the last fifteen years that
kind of make your eyebrows raise a little cool. So maybe if you wouldn't
mind maybe at like a little sneak peak, like what is a new discovery
that really has kind of shocked you or that you've been really happy about recently.
Well, I'd say probably one of the most interesting ones is looking at
some of these sites like Machu Pichu and Puma Puku Tao Tiwa kan all kind
in this Lake Titikaka area, there seems to be sites that were built around
an ancient lake, and again we're seeing massive evidence of this vitrification. Some
of these sites, like Puma Punku, they appear to be like an ancient
waterway or something that was sitting right on the on the shores of Lake Titti
Koco when it was much much bigger of a lake, and the patterns and
things that were seeing cut out of these stones very much resemble a type of
computerized or generated print out of what we also see in Egypt and some of
the pharaohs and the statues they've built. The perfection in cutting out these carved
surfaces that Machu Pichu, Puma punku, as well as in various areas in
Egypt. Its almost like these are are three D printed objects. They're so
mathematically accurate from their various dimensions and sizes, there's no way ancient man's simply
carved them. They're literally mathematically perfect. So by representing a lot of these
as a three D model and analyzing the math taking very accurate measurements of these
objects, we're just seeing signs of very advanced mathematics that have to be labeled
as high technology. Any note bringing up you know that area around like Titti
Kaka, I mean, there's so many incredible sites and strange things found around
there. Why you feel there isn't more what he hampers more research in that
area. I simply think that you know, there are lines drawn in the
dirt that modern archaeology isn't willing to cross. Wherever we start to talk about
extraterrestrial visitation or advanced technology beyond the scope of that time frame, most archaeologists
have trouble stepping over that line and putting forth a theory, usually simply to
do the government funding or grant funding. I think the perception is starting to
change through shows like Ancient Aliens and other sources where people are being exposed to
these topics because of their own interest, not necessarily because it's on the nightly
news. So I do feel like there is a consensus of change where many
people are starting to really put into question our origins and try and figure out,
you know, where do we really come from? M Well, pretty
interesting staff, Well, thank you so much for taking the time out to
talk. Oh it's my pleasure, Allejondro. Hopefully you'll have me back and
we can talk about Mars or Planet X and some of these other fascinating topics.
Yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun. And so the new
website is Ancient School dot com and you already have quite a bit of information
there for people just to go and find out more about it. It looks
like huh yes, yes to do nuhu and a newsletter. I think that
they can sign up for two yes, correct, you can jump up newsletter
and kind of get an idea of what's going on inside of Ancient School cool,
and then ancient Bonus dot com for Slash Radio. They could go get
a free copy of the book, yes and a free video lesson to kind
of check out what Ancient School is all about. Awesome cool. Well,
thank you so much for joining us and we'll talk to you soon. My
pleasure. All andro have a good day. Bye bye, Okay, thank
you so much to Jason for joining us again. And remember his website is
ancientschool dot com where you can get that bonus video and an excerpt of his
new book. So Ancient School dot com go check it out. Tell us
what you think. So again, thank you to Jason, and I do
want to remind people of Audible really cool. Could go download some audio books
there, including a bunch of UFO selections, so you can get a free
trial, free monthly trial at audibletrial dot com forward slash Ufo Radio. It's
Audibletrial dot com forward slash Ufo Radio. And otherwise there will not be a
show maybe for the next two weeks because we have the UFO Congress coming up,
which is always a lot of fun and takes up a lot of our
time, of course because it's a lot of work. But it's going to
be a lot of fun too, So you can go to ufocongress dot com
to check that out. You know, we've got people like Timothy Good,
George Nori, Stephen Bassett and John Alexander and Hime Musson and Don Schmidt and
Rob Simone, so a lot of the big names in the field that are
going to be there, and other people that you might not have heard of
unless you've listened to our radio show, because we've got some people who aren't
as well known but have been on the radio show, such as David Marler
talking about triangular UFOs and recently Lee we had Aaron Sagers from the Travel Channel
who also works for CNN and MTV and everything about the paranormal. So we're
gonna have a lot of fun and a lot of cool things going on.
So go to ufocongress dot com to check it out and and it ought to
be a lot of fun. You can register there and we're excited about it
and I hope to see you there. You can come say hi to all
of us, but again, thank you all for listening. Oh you know
what I do want to mention too, and I talk about the close music,
is that I want to thank Caleb Hanks who does the opening music,
and it's he's got a EP out there some music he goes by the Clerk,
you know, that's his I guess musician name, but he's got this
EP out there of music that's similar to the open music and similar to the
music on spacing out, you know at Jason and Maureen where they did the
UFO news on YouTube, and it's really really cool music. I've been listening
it to the this weekend and Caleb just does an awesome job. Essentially does
this music all himself, and you could go download the music for free,
so just google the Clerk and Caleb Hanks and then you should be able to
find it. I can't remember the RL right now, but it's really cool
music and I just wanted to tell people about that, and because sometimes people
do ask what is that opening music? Where can I find it? And
that piece was made specifically for us, but you can find other music that
is of that same sort and it's really really good. He does an incredible
job. I think just the Clerk by Caleb Hanks, And of course I
want to thank the people who make the clothes music that is to Earth Minutes
and I want to thank you all for listening. I hope to see you
at the Congress. If so, i'll be seeing you soon. Otherwise,
i'll be talking to you in a couple of weeks. So adios muchachos,
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