WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:45.320 Hello, and welcome to Ope in Mind Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas. 2 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:53.399 And again remember we're sponsored by Audible. This show cool, very cool. 3 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:59.240 I just downloaded another book, another Robert Heinlein sci fi on Audible, and 4 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:03.079 I've been listening to that before bed, Like I mentioned, so love Audible. 5 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:07.079 Yeah cool, So I got a little distracted there, But it's audibletrial 6 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:11.359 dot com forward slash UFO radio to get your free trial and go check out 7 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.280 the High nine books and others. But anyway, as you can hear, 8 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:23.719 I am here with Jason McClellan, greetings, Hello, and then of course 9 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.120 I am Alejandro Rojas. So how you doing Jason? I'm good, buddy, 10 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:34.040 How are you not too bad? Surprisingly better than I thought I might. 11 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:41.959 After my home team getting just trounced by Maureen's own team, yep, 12 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:49.359 Seahawks did it. Yeah, so that was pretty pretty not much fun at 13 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:55.519 all. You know what all else wasn't fun, Alejandro. The two previous 14 00:01:55.599 --> 00:02:00.359 years there were a lot of advertisements, the Super Bowl commercials it had alien 15 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:05.719 and UFO themes. Good point, they were zero this year. That's a 16 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:07.639 really interesting. Yeah, that is funny. That seemed to be like a 17 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.840 trend right, the new commercials happening UFOs and aliens in them. But now 18 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.240 that you mention it, I can't think of one. Nope. I don't 19 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:22.000 believe there was a single commercial with extraterrestrial theme. So it's pretty interesting. 20 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:28.840 Is there a popularity waning or whining? Yeah? I was whining, that's 21 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.960 for sure. Definitely. Yeah, so interesting stuff. But otherwise, did 22 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:37.000 you have on I mean being you didn't really have a horse in the game, 23 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:40.800 as they say, well, certainly not your horse, yeah, uncles, 24 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:44.879 No, I wasn't wasn't invested either way, but it was it was 25 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:49.039 still fun. Yeah, it's funny too. People always say, oh, 26 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.560 you know, people were so sure, oh you know, it's in the 27 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.400 bag and they got it. But you could just never be sure with these 28 00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:00.240 things. That's why it's exciting. Yeah, and I always kind of take 29 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.360 a little bit of pleasure when the underdog kind of wins, so of course 30 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:12.199 that's always fun. All right, So as usual, we'll talk about the 31 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:15.000 news, but first I want to talk about the guest for this week, 32 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:21.360 and that is Jason Martell. And you may have seen him on Ancient Aliens, 33 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:25.360 but he's into the ancient astronaut theory. And all of that kind of 34 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:30.319 stuff. And he has this new website called Ancient Secrets where you know, 35 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:35.840 you can go subscribe there and get some more research on ancient aliens and all 36 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.840 of that sort of thing. So we're going to be talking to him about 37 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:39.800 that. So that's a lot of fun. Of course, there's a lot 38 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:46.639 of fans of the Ancient Aliens genre out there. Before that, though, 39 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.280 let's go ahead and talk about our favorite news stories on UFOs from the past 40 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:57.039 week or so. And it seems like it's been a little slow news wise 41 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:02.840 lately. Well, it definitely has been slow news wise, and that paired 42 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:08.599 with the fact that we recently moved offices and we've had, you know, 43 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:13.960 issues with our Internet connectivity and our servers and all that, and also with 44 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.920 us being slammed preparing for the International UFO Congress. That means there have been 45 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:23.399 fewer stories posted on Openminds dot tv than usual. But we've got a couple. 46 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:30.680 Alejandro and I will start it off with an interesting story that's I'm seeing 47 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:35.319 it still make headlines, and that is there's a scientist suing NASA for failing 48 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:42.759 to investigate alien life. Now this is referring to that jelly donut, as 49 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:47.959 they call it, that was photographed on Mars by the Opportunity rover photographed this 50 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:55.439 thing in mid January. It's a rock of sorts that just magically appeared. 51 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:01.480 They rover photographed that same location fourteen days prior, and then magically, when 52 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:06.519 it was there, later saw this object that wasn't there before. Now the 53 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:14.720 scientist is requesting that NASA perform a public, scientific, and statutory duty, 54 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:21.079 which is they wanted to closely photograph and thoroughly scientifically examine and investigate this object 55 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:25.319 that the scientist believes is a biological organism. We think that's the type of 56 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:29.879 mushroom or something that was there all along, and it just took this fourteen 57 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.720 days or whatever to find the grow to where it could be visible by the 58 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:39.879 rovers camera. NASA's responded to this the same way they responded when they initially 59 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:45.000 found the object, simply saying, hey, it's a rock. We said 60 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.120 it's a rock. We did very thoroughly investigate it. We did some testing 61 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:53.439 on it. We found the chemical structure of it. It's bizarre. We'll 62 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.759 point out that it's very bizarre. We haven't seen anything like this, but 63 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.839 it's still a rock. They're confident it's a rock. At least that's what 64 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.079 you're saying. That's the public statement they've made. But this scientist here, 65 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:14.360 he has filed for a motion for a rid of mandamus, basically something by 66 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:19.240 the federal court here that will if he is granted this, it will force 67 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.519 NASA to then go and do more test things probably not going to happen. 68 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:29.800 And the scientist, doctor Rowan Joseph, is a controversial a scientist. He's 69 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:33.680 been involved in a lot of controversial studies. So that was something that mainstream 70 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:39.959 media loved to latch onto immediately when this lawsuit started. They started ripping him 71 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:45.120 apart and saying, oh, a pseudo scientist or a self proclaimed scientist. 72 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.399 He is a doctor. He does have a doctorate degree and has done scientific 73 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.759 studies. So I don't know what more do they want to call him a 74 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:56.680 scientist. He is a scientist. And whether or not you think he's a 75 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:01.120 scientist who does legitimate studies or worth wild studies, you know, that's certainly 76 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:05.240 up for debate. But he is a scientist. He's filed a lawsuit against 77 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:11.199 NASA for failing to investigate alien life. So it's an interesting story. Yeah. 78 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.079 I mean, on the one hand, I can see his point where 79 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.560 he wants closer look at this object because you know, he feels it maybe 80 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:23.240 a plant or a fungus or something like that. But he kind of is 81 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:25.680 asking for a lot. You know, he should be the guy to look 82 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.680 at it and all of this stuff. Is that right? He wants all 83 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.040 of NASA, that wants NATHA to do all of these tests, get all 84 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:35.279 these photos, then give him to him so he can analyze them. Yeah, 85 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:40.439 that's kind of I could see where that helps. You know, people 86 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:45.439 ridicule his whole case there, right, But I mean I totally understand and 87 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.199 I agree with him. It would be great to have more data and have 88 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:53.600 all additional photos and stuff that we can all see, that other scientists can 89 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.639 see and look at it more, because, as NASA's admitted, this is 90 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.040 something very strange, so it'd be great to look into it more. I 91 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.439 mean, they've got these robots rolling around while like dismiss it and go, 92 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.160 oh, we found something really cool. Okay, let's keep going. Yeah 93 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.879 you found something, like get excited and look at it. So you know, 94 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.639 I got to say too, though, one thing that's really frustrating, 95 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:20.399 and I think that the skeptics or the scientists who balk at this kind of 96 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.560 stuff go overboard. He's part of the Journal of Cosmology, which of course 97 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.600 is controversial, or at least he's submitting some stuff there where These are a 98 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:33.960 group of astrobiologists who believe that you know, in panaspermia and that there probably 99 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.679 is more evidence that there is life out there, and that that life has 100 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:43.480 been seated here on Earth and everything. But they go overboard, you know, 101 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:48.000 the critics when they start to question whether they're actual scientists or not. 102 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.720 One of those guys who is part of that group is Richard Hoover, who's 103 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.000 going to be speaking at our conference. And I was reading some of the 104 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.159 old stories, you know, where he in twenty eleven submitted a paper or 105 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.919 where he felt, you know, there's a meteorite that had a science of 106 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:11.279 extraterrestrial life on it, and they went after his credentials and whether he's even 107 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:18.960 an astrobiologist. Meanwhile, he's like the lead of the astrobiology research group at 108 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:24.200 NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. So I mean, I don't know how much 109 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:30.559 more credential you could be as an actual astrobiologist so not that it's definitely hard 110 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:35.519 to find who is an astrobiologist, but obviously this guy was, and I 111 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:43.440 mean this Rowan Joseph is definitely a scientist. I mean to call him not 112 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:48.279 a scientist or self proclaimed scientist, yeah, it's really insulting and just I 113 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.080 mean, it's floppy journalism and it makes you I don't know, I think 114 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.240 it discredits what you're trying to say. I mean, it doesn't if you 115 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.120 disagree with what he's saying, that's fine, but you start, you know, 116 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.440 doing these like childish attacks, Oh he's not a scientist or only he 117 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.639 thinks he's a scientist, Like, give me a break. Your your argument 118 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.600 is losing there because you don't have thought arguments, so you have to resort 119 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.919 to childish name calling and yeah, trying to pull the person down without just 120 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.440 focusing on the facts, right right, it's really I mean, they get 121 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.159 vicious. So, I mean, I think this guy's suit is kind of 122 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.519 ridiculous. But yeah, you know, I disagree, and I think there 123 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.360 are a lot of issues with how skeptics and people who disagree with this stuff 124 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.679 have approached the story. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of sad when they 125 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.320 do that. Yeah, so that is an interesting story. We'll see where 126 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.279 that goes. I think we'll get some more attention there because a lot of 127 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:45.559 media has picked it up. So I'm sure that's absolutely It's not gone yet, 128 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:50.919 right, But otherwise, yeah, my stories are I just want to 129 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.840 quickly mention, really I want to talk about these UFO settings. There are 130 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:58.279 only two other stories from last week, but there was one over Japan and 131 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:03.120 it was some impressive orange lights. But the US military came out and said 132 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.320 that was us. Those are our military flares, and I believe him if 133 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.960 you go look at the video. I've seen flares. I posted a video 134 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.879 of some flares that I've gotten. I think it is flares but more interesting. 135 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.360 And one that is a little bit harder to identify as his light over 136 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.879 Fort Mills, South Carolina. And it's just kind of this YouTube guy. 137 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:28.919 He's been on YouTube for years and these are the first videos he's posted. 138 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.159 You can tell he's just like a casual YouTube user, you know, going 139 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:39.080 and looking at videos and stuff like that. But he feels like he saw 140 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.480 a UFO and video taped it and this is his light in the sky and 141 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.919 it starts off during the day and it's kind of moving back and forth. 142 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.759 It's moving in one direction, so you think, okay, maybe doesn't look 143 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.360 like a plane. It's not blinking, it's bright, but then it turns 144 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.000 back and moves the other way, and then it stops and goes straight down 145 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:03.000 like it's so it could be a quad copter or something like that. It's 146 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.159 flying pretty high if it is, so, I would guess it might be 147 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.879 a professional one if it is. But it's really interesting. And obviously this 148 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.000 guy felt it was interesting and videotaped it and posted it as a UFO and 149 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.440 he got two videos, so it came back later. It was already kind 150 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.960 of early twilight the first time, so there was starting to get dark, 151 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.360 and the second time it's darker out. So I think this video is pretty 152 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:30.279 interesting. It is interesting, you're right. I mean, all you see 153 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.440 is a ball of light in the sky. Well they're still light out, 154 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:39.919 so it looks like it might be an illuminated self illuminated object. But you're 155 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.919 right, I think moves as exactly as you described, just kind of back 156 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.200 and forth, hovers in the sky, So it could be an RC craft 157 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.440 or something else, but it's most likely not, you know, like an 158 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:58.000 airplane or a helicopter or any normal aircraft. Yeah, or a balloon. 159 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.600 I don't think it's all not a balloon, not a Chinese lantern exactly. 160 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.279 Yeah, but yeah, definitely interesting videos. I'm blotty posted on these are 161 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.879 These are good, good to see and uh man, I hope you can 162 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.080 figure out what they are because they're pretty fascinating. Yeah, so we'll see 163 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:18.840 if they get more attention and if some people figure something out. So but 164 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.240 yeah, pretty good videos. So of course people can go to Open Minds 165 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.879 at TV to see those. All right, Well, thank you, mister 166 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.679 McClellan. It is always my pleasure, Alejandro, and no, it's it's 167 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.799 my pleasure. No, it's my pleasure. No. Oh and by the 168 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.039 way, we got to mention some side field because we're a bit banned. 169 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:48.000 But it looks like at least a new Seinfeld episode. Huh well sort of, 170 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:54.679 yeah, sort of. I mean there was already a sort of a 171 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.919 new Seinfeld episode when they did the pseudo reunion on Criby Your Enthusiasm. Yeah 172 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.519 that was much better. But yeah, during the Super Bowl it was an 173 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:09.559 ad for Jerry's show Coffee Getting our comedians and cars getting Coffee have you seen 174 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:11.600 that. It's actually pretty good. I've seen a little bit. It does 175 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.679 look good. So it seems it's like on his show, that show, 176 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.200 they're going to have like a pseudo kind of Seinfield episode. Is that what's 177 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.960 going on? I don't think they've really announced that. I mean, they 178 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.080 had the super Bowl commercial that had Jason Alexander and they were at Tom's restaurant 179 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:33.240 that was Monk's Cafe and Seinfeld. But I think it was just an ad 180 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.279 for Jerry's show, and Alexander will probably be on it. I mean, 181 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.240 Larry David's been on it before. Oh okay, so that's I think that's 182 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.960 all it was. There was a lot of hype before the super Bowl about 183 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.720 oh, there's going to be a Seinfield reunion and all this stuff, and 184 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.919 even Seinfeld had talked and they're all what people saw you filming at Tom's restaurant 185 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.080 was that. Rumors are that that was for a super Bowl commercial, and 186 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.559 he actually denied that and said, no, it's not that, but you'll 187 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.159 you'll find out soon what it is. So I don't I don't really know 188 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.200 the full story, but to me, it just seemed like it was an 189 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.000 ad for his show. All right, great, Well, wanted to give 190 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.080 people an update on the whole Seinfield thing. Oh yeah, you can count 191 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.879 on us for that. Yeah, all right, thanks man, you bet 192 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:22.440 okay, So let's go ahead and get Jason Martel on the line. All 193 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.799 right. I am very happy to have on the line Jason Martel. I 194 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:33.120 almost said ancient alien Jason Martel. But that's your specialty, not necessarily what 195 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.840 you are. Yes, yes, that's correct. Well, thank you so 196 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.200 much for having me on the show, Alejandro. Yeah, it's a great 197 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.039 pleasure to have you on. You know, we've met a few times, 198 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:48.159 and of course you're you're busy in this field, but we haven't I don't 199 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.679 think i've ever had you on the show before. I don't think so. 200 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.679 No, we've never actually done an interview, but now now it's definitely time, 201 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:03.399 so I guess to start. I think it'd be interesting to know how 202 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:11.039 you got involved with that ancient astronaut theory and research. Of course, Well, 203 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:12.799 you know, I'm thirty nine now, and I started this when I 204 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:18.600 was around twenty one, and essentially I was just a college student in San 205 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.240 Diego and someone had just kind of casually mentioned to me that there were pyramids 206 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.960 and a face on Mars in this region called Sidonia. And you know, 207 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.960 not being familiar with UFOs or aliens or any of this type of information, 208 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.080 I became very interested in this idea that there could be artificial structures on Mars 209 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.399 and started from a very skeptical point of view. And it turns out that 210 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:48.879 the principal camera operator that's putting cameras that we send to Mars to take pictures 211 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.840 on the surface as well as in orbit, it's from mainly one company in 212 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:57.120 San Diego, where I was also attending college. It's called mail in Space 213 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:03.759 Science Systems. While Andro I, just as a Laneman College student, contacted 214 00:17:03.079 --> 00:17:07.359 persistently and finally got a hold of doctor Mike Maile and then just asked him 215 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:12.519 on the phone, listen, is there any possibility that these faiths and pyramids 216 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.920 are artificial? And he said, you know, no, these are all 217 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:22.240 natural phenomenon. He wrote it by sand and wind. So that really piqued 218 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:27.640 my interest because I was able to find five to ten peer level reviews scientists 219 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:34.559 might not work at NASA but held PhDs in image analysis of satellite telemetry, 220 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:40.400 and one guy, specifically doctor Mark Carlotto. You can google his name, 221 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:45.799 Mark Carlotto, and you know, he basically developed these algorithms on fractal mathematics 222 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.200 where he would run his fractal algorithm on satellite telemetry, satellite imagery over Russia 223 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:57.200 and he could identify, oh, look, those are tanks or troops or 224 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:02.319 you know, a military base that's routed by shrubs or a tarp or something. 225 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.640 And so he would use these same fractal algorithms of the satellite telemetry that 226 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:12.000 we got from Mars over Sidonia, and it turns out that the face and 227 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:18.279 pyramids have over a ninety eight percent probability to be artificial, just like the 228 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.119 tanks and troops were identified using misfractal algorithms. Now, the bumber, Alejandro 229 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.599 right is Nason never did any type of forthcoming research like that. They just 230 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:33.480 simply said there's no facing pyramids on Mars. So that's what really kind of 231 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:37.759 started me off and realizing, you know, here we have structures possibly that 232 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.799 are artificial on another planet. Well wait a minute, we have megalistic monuments 233 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:47.240 all over the Earth here that we really don't know who built them or what 234 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.119 they're for. And so that's what kind of caught me down the path of 235 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:56.720 looking into this idea of the ancient astronaut theory, because there are a lot 236 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:02.519 of questions that we still have. So I would imagine then you started to 237 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:07.000 visit some of these sites. I have been to a few of the locations, 238 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.359 and to be honest with the Alejandro, really what I've been focused on 239 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:18.200 in my research is one culture specifically that it's very hard to access in modern 240 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.680 times. It's a southern Iraq. You know. I basically started my own 241 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:29.319 search into looking at all these ancient cultures and trying to pinpoint where exactly do 242 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:33.640 we come from. Where's the oldest civilization that we have on record, and 243 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:38.920 right now that stands on the shoulders of Sumer. We've heard Mesopotamia, Babylon, 244 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:44.200 but in thirty eight hundred BC, it's roughly six thousand years ago. 245 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:49.079 Sumer pops up right out of the Stone Age and they have we credit them 246 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:56.599 with over one hundred of the first needed for my civilization. And again it's 247 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.240 you know, where modern day Iraq is now. So it's always been a 248 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:06.880 scene of controversy, but it is a difficult location unfortunately to actually physically visit. 249 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:12.799 But the information that we've received from this culture Sumer. You know, 250 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:19.920 it's really interesting for many reasons. One, the information that was left by 251 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:29.200 this civilization Sumer is in the form of thousands of stone tablets written text as 252 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:34.039 well as stone pictograms like pictures that accompany these texts. And so for me, 253 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.359 Alejandro, you know, I was raised as a Christian and a lot 254 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:42.039 of the things that I started to discover about this Sumerian information where they left 255 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:48.000 us this information written in stone, and it's at least four thousand years older 256 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.640 than what we have in the English Bible. Yet they tell the exact same 257 00:20:52.759 --> 00:21:00.559 stories, things like a Noah's ark, the story of an atom being created, 258 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.640 you know, why there was a great flood. So for me, 259 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:11.200 I started to become very interested in looking at this ancient culture Sumer because not 260 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:15.759 only did they describe their daily events of you know, I will give you 261 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:19.519 a certain amount of money for you know, a barrel of hay, or 262 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:25.279 I'll trade you a donkey for this. You know, they recorded their daily 263 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:34.880 lives and very accurately used mathematics and made astronomical observations, and we confirmed that 264 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:40.880 they were a very smart culture. Now where it gets interesting is that they 265 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:45.720 also had a very deep knowledge base and recorded what they said were interactions with 266 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:49.680 their living gods. Just like the Bible said there was a time when there 267 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:56.359 were giants upon the earth. It appears that the Sumerians thirty eight hundred BC, 268 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.559 we're actually living in that time and we're living with these beings that they 269 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.279 called onunaki, and that term just meant those who from heaven come to earth. 270 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:18.200 So often when it comes to mythological beings or deities, well, all 271 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:22.799 cultures have them. However, what makes you feel that do you feel that 272 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:27.759 perhaps many cultures then have interacted with extra thresh rolls or do you think this 273 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:34.640 culture in particular didn't, perhaps others didn't eat How do you feel that way? 274 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.279 Sure? Well, no, that's actually a really good point, you 275 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.640 know, in my latest research. Let me start off by saying this another 276 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:48.039 way. I'm a big advocate of the ancient astronaut theory, and even though 277 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.400 I'm on a show on the History Channel called Ancient Aliens, I don't actually 278 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.000 subscribe to the idea that all these megalithic monuments and things that we have were 279 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:02.039 exclusively built by aliens, and not many research do for me. Specistically, 280 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:06.880 though, I think what we're dealing with, is there's a larger cycle of 281 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:11.559 time here on Earth that we seem to be affected by. People have heard 282 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.960 of the Golden Age or the Dark Ages, but this is part of a 283 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:19.519 larger cycle of time, Alojandro, And in my opinion, I have been 284 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:26.400 studying the line of research that shows most of the megalithic monuments around the world 285 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.559 are built to align to a certain constellation. It's kind of like a marker 286 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:36.319 in time, these alignments with star constellations, kind of like how Giza aligns 287 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.839 with a riot. Now it's the classic as you know them. These these 288 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.640 alignments will repeat over thousands of years for a reason. It's kind of like 289 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.599 a marker in time. So, in my opinion, Alejandro, the symbol 290 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:53.480 answer to your questionnaire is I don't think it's as black and white as that 291 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.079 we've been visited by aliens in the past. I think we go through a 292 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:02.960 larger cycle of time here on Earth that affects us at a larger scale. 293 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.160 That's kind of why we were all so interested in the Mayan calendar recently. 294 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.400 There is a larger cycle of time that all the ancients we're aware of where 295 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.839 we go, and even Plato called it the Great Year. But we seem 296 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.359 to be affected by this larger cycle of time. And I think as we 297 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:23.000 go into what we call the Golden Age, we're more likely to interact with 298 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:30.920 higher beings and be able to build advance structures and the like. But then 299 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:34.720 over thousands of years, we ascend back into the dark ages forget everything. 300 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.160 And so you know, we're talking about a cycle of time that's twenty four 301 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:44.559 thousand years right now. We call it the procession of the Equinox, and 302 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:48.960 we kind of track it by the twelve constellations that make up the zodiacal breakdown 303 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.799 of the heavens, and we move through these zodiacal ages every two thousand years. 304 00:24:55.400 --> 00:25:00.519 So HALHANDRAI, I personally believe that, you know, there are times 305 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.680 when we have more interaction with these higher beings because we're at a higher state. 306 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.400 And then I would assume that as we go into more of the lower 307 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:14.880 state, not only do those interactions maybe not cease but diminish, but we 308 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:18.279 seem to lose it all. You know. As an example, we look 309 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:23.480 at ancient Egypt and consumer as an example which I've heavily studied, and see 310 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:30.319 massive signs of technology ancient batteries found in Iraq, working light bulbs and electricity 311 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:37.920 in ancient Egypt, massive information about astronomy and astronomical movements, and then we 312 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.720 forget it all, go into the dark ages, and only until the time 313 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:48.799 of Copernicus and Galileo we start to rediscover this information that somehow the ancients were 314 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:57.480 well aware of. When you talk about you know that this kind of age 315 00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:03.279 of enlightenment or the periods where you know, man is able to build these 316 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:12.079 these structures, do you feel that you know that technological know how accompanies a 317 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:19.160 spiritual kind of enlightenment, Well, I do, And you know, I 318 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:26.680 would have to assume that with higher civilizations and higher knowledge also becomes also make 319 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:32.119 use of higher technology. Mits you at Kaku describes, you know, prominent 320 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:37.599 physicist doctor at Kaku describes several different layers of civilizations. And you know, 321 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:42.440 we're not even a type one civilization because we're still burning fossil fuels and the 322 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:47.440 like. So I would assume a much more advanced civilization type four, type 323 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:51.160 five harnessing the power of the sun or the natural energy of the star. 324 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:53.759 You know, we're just not there. So I'm sure if they're if they're 325 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.480 able to do that, then if they've got to be much more spiritually advanced 326 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.200 as well, mm hmm. And I asked that because I wonder is then 327 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:08.720 right now, because of course we're at a pinnacle of technology right now, 328 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:15.799 and you know, this has been a very quick ascension, you know, 329 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.640 from the last hundred years. Do you feel that we're going through one of 330 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:25.599 these phases right now? Well? I do, and you know, it's 331 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.559 a very interesting line of research that I've been looking into, Alejandro. I 332 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:37.200 think the reason why we have this exponential increase of knowledge is we are going 333 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.880 through, you know, an age that's going to change very soon. Right 334 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.000 now, we're in the age of Pisces, which is the symbol of a 335 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.839 fish, you know, the zsiacal symbol of a fish. And what's interesting 336 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.880 is that you'll see a lot of people with a little symbol of a fish 337 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.759 on the back of their car and has a little pross in editor says Jesus, 338 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.160 and they don't understand that that's actually a much older symbol than Christ and 339 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:07.640 Christianity, because it's a symbol of a marker of this astronomical process. The 340 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.599 symbol of Pisces is a symbol of a fish. We're going to be in 341 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.960 the Age of Pisces for about another one hundred and fifty years until we enter 342 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.680 the Age of Aquarius. Now, what does all that kind of stuff mean. 343 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:25.559 Essentially, Alejandro, we are moving through this large cycle of time and 344 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:33.039 it appears to be based on our Sun orbiting another sun. Essentially, our 345 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:37.799 solar system appears to be binary two sons. Now, most of the other 346 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.480 solar systems that we've been imaging from Hubble and the paytelloscopes that we have out 347 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:48.200 there, Spitzer and such, they're finding that most solar systems external systems have 348 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.279 at least two suns, some up to six or eight in this intricate dance. 349 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:59.680 So it's very possible that we are a binary solar system and our sun 350 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.759 is an orbit around another sun, possibly a brown drawer for a failed dark 351 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.079 star at this point. But this is where it gets interesting, Alejandro. 352 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:12.920 All of the current science to explain procession of the equinox is based on saying 353 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.599 that, you know, there's a wobble in the Earth, and they have 354 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:22.559 like two thousand variables in mathematical calculations to calculate this processional movement. Well, 355 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:27.480 it turns out there's a new model, much more simple, twelve variables, 356 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:32.519 and it's based on the idea again that we're binary. So think of it 357 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:37.640 this way. If our sun is orbiting another Sun, all of the planets 358 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.440 that means us on Earth, all of the planets are around our sun as 359 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:47.119 we're orbiting the Sun. If our son is moving through space around another Sun, 360 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.559 we too are moving through space. And so I know this is a 361 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:55.759 hard concept to grasp, but it's what appears to be happening, Alejandro. 362 00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:00.640 Is when our two sons are at their closest point in orbit, we're in 363 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:06.319 the Golden Age. When the two sons are at their far this point, 364 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:11.839 we're in the Dark ages. There seems to be some correlation with this larger 365 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.240 cycle of time in this way that the suns orbit each other, that when 366 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:19.680 they're at their closest point, that energy or something with the two sons does 367 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:26.720 something to us and probably makes us evolve quicker in some way. So it's 368 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.079 a pretty heavy concept, but there is a lot of math and science behind 369 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:36.119 this. I've been working very closely with someone named Walter Cruttendon that runs the 370 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.920 Binary Research Institute. He's a business partner of mine. He also runs the 371 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.000 seat Pack Conference and has several prominent speakers every year talk about these topics in 372 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.319 this line of thinking that there's this lost cycle of time, and I gotta 373 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.440 say it is answering and putting into alignment a lot of things that I've been 374 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:59.880 looking into in the past as to why all these ancient monuments were possibly built. 375 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.599 M and so when it comes to then, and I think you mentioned 376 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:11.680 earlier it was like we also then steamed to have this ability to or to 377 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:18.000 be able to communicate or with higher beings. Sure, uh huh, So 378 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.599 do you think that's going on right now as well? Well? I do. 379 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.680 I think that there's you know, the current modern cover up is a 380 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:32.400 very hard veil to pierce. And you know, I tend to stick with 381 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.759 my research in the ancient artifacts because there's a plethora of evidence to point to 382 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.960 the signs that yes, there was obviously high technology being utilized and possibly visitation 383 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:48.039 because every culture around the world talks about beings that came from the skies and 384 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:55.079 went to great lengths to memorialize that info. The disconnect we have al Andre 385 00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.680 is that people like you and I in modern euthology, there there there aren't 386 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:07.119 any ancient gods visiting us openly, because it seems the ancient people had experience 387 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.079 with and so that is kind of a letdown as to why we're not seeing 388 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.039 these visitations now. And I can only answer in my own opinion, you 389 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:21.200 know, and I personally believe that let's just call it for better or for 390 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.039 worse. The bad aliens, if you will, are the ones that are 391 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:30.799 currently in cahoots with our world governments, and these ancient gods might actually return 392 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:36.160 one day and regain power. Whether or not that would happen in our lifetime, 393 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.920 I don't know. But if there is a galactic community out there, 394 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.079 star treks, star wars, a conglomerate race of intelligent beings, they probably 395 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.640 look at us and see us blowing up a planet. We can't get along, 396 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.839 we're expelling natural resources. I feel like we're just being nudged in the 397 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.480 right direction. So that, yes, in the last one hundred years, 398 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:04.039 we have gained and learned things very quickly to hopefully join this community soon. 399 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.119 So do you think that might be a cycle as well as that when these 400 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:19.200 communications have happened in the past, that it has been different groups with different 401 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.359 intentions I think, so there's there's always the yin yang, dark, white 402 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.759 night day. So good and bad does exist not only on our plan, 403 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:34.960 but of course universally. And you know, one thing to convey when I 404 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.240 just getting back to this idea that there's a larger cycle of time that affects 405 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.720 us, you know, talking about how we might have two suns and this 406 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.319 affects us. Well, there are two smaller astronomical cycles that people will be 407 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:51.559 familiar with, just to get an idea of the context. The first cycle 408 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.720 is we're spinning on our access. Earth is spinning on its axis, which 409 00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:00.559 causes day and night, and when it gets nighttime, lose consciousness and go 410 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.200 to sleep. That's all based on an astronomical movement that we don't have any 411 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.679 control over. Cycle two is Earth is orbiting the Sun. As we go 412 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:16.360 around the Sun, seasons change, animals migrate again. Those are physical effects 413 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:22.079 based on an astronomical movement. Over thirty ancient cultures reference to the idea that 414 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:29.599 we have two suns and that there's a larger cycle of time that affects us, 415 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:31.719 just as those two smaller cycles of us spinning or just going around the 416 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:37.519 Sun while our orbit around the second sun are two suns in orbit. This 417 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:43.440 is a much longer cycle with great effects on our EBB and flow of evolution. 418 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.360 But somehow many of the ancient cultures were aware of this cycle and marked 419 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:54.519 their place in time with these monuments that align to star constellation. M So 420 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.719 when it comes to some of these monuments that you have touched on before, 421 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:06.119 but are there any of these at least with what you're looking at with this 422 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:14.960 in sumer, Are there any of these ancient monuments that you feel we're we're 423 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.320 perhaps created by extra threst RULs or do you feel that perhaps it was just 424 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:23.800 a by humans that we're enlightened by uh, you know, third parties. 425 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.039 Well, you know, I get this question a lot of Alejandro is what's 426 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.599 the best piece of evidence in ancient aliens, you know, or what's the 427 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:36.440 smoking gun, you know, evident? And really I have to point to 428 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:45.480 a term which is vitrification. Vitrification simply means heating of a stone until it's 429 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.599 kind of like in a lava like state, or it becomes a glass like 430 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:54.440 And what we see throughout these ancient sites like Puma Punku or Teo Tiua Kan 431 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:59.679 or Machu Pichu even ballot back in Lebanon, like the Whaling Wall, and 432 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.199 these are sizes. There's these huge stones and they seem to have been fit 433 00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.880 together with no mortar. You can't even slide a piece of paper between them. 434 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:14.719 And the answer to that, Alesandro is vitrification. Somehow the ancients were 435 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.920 able to take granite, deer rite, hardest stones on the surface of the 436 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:23.360 planet and get them to be into like a molten lava state. And now 437 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:29.480 they've become like putty. They're almost lava like, and they can carve out 438 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:36.519 blocks and fit them together and make intricate patterns like at Puma Punku, and 439 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.239 then the stones hardened back into a stone form and have keep and they keep 440 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.000 that fit of where they put them together while they were like this putty lava 441 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.760 like state. Now the kicker though, is how did ancient man have the 442 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:54.639 ability to heat stone to a lava like state. There's just no evidence of 443 00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.159 the technology they were using, and we don't know how it was done. 444 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.280 Now when you talk about the vitrification, have those stones then been tested to 445 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.800 prove that that's what was happened, that they were at a higher temperature at 446 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:15.440 one point. What we see is this evidence of vitrification, where when when 447 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.719 stones are heated up to a lava like state and then you were to like 448 00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:25.880 slide a knife over it or some solid surface, it leaves this glass like 449 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:31.440 finish. And so we see this evidence of vitrification all over these ancient stones 450 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:37.880 that yes, they were showing signs of high heat had been applied to them. 451 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.719 Yeah, because there's the walls that you refer to, of course, 452 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.599 are just very mysterious. I mean, it's incredible to look at these entire 453 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:53.719 walls with these stones just perfectly fitted together. Yeah, and again that's we 454 00:37:53.800 --> 00:38:00.119 can theorize now how it was done, but we can't find the tools on 455 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.920 how they were able to accomplish this. So yeah, it really does. 456 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.159 It really does raise a lot of questions. And some of these stones, 457 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.400 I mean are qumongous right where it would be a wall, like some of 458 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:19.880 the largest stones sure well the Whaling Wall or actually the best one I like 459 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:25.639 is in Battleback Lebanon. What we have are these huge slabs that have been 460 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.559 stacked perfectly. It looks kind of like a huge landing pad for a spaceship 461 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.599 to be honest with you. But the stones are called trelifted tons. Stones 462 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:39.400 they weigh hundreds of tons, sometimes even up to one thousand tons. And 463 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.320 the real kicker, as you just mentioned, is most of these stones were 464 00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:50.559 quarried from sites that are five or ten miles away. We have no technology 465 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:55.840 today in modern times with cranes and super cranes that can lift a four hundred 466 00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:01.480 ton rock out of a quarry site and move it such a distance. So 467 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.719 it really does start to raise a lot of questions as to how ancient man 468 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:12.360 was moving stones several miles that weigh, you know, in excess of trilupeton 469 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:20.480 size stumps. Mm hm right, so pretty wild staff. So those are 470 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:27.280 some situations where you feel that perhaps there was some direct extraterrestrial intervention in the 471 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.960 creation of these monuments. Well, let's talk about Giza as an example of 472 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:38.119 the Great Pyramids. Now, Giza, obviously from an architectural standpoint, is 473 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:44.960 aligned to true north south. It's situated right on the perfect middle of Earth's 474 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.679 land masses, like all of our land masses combined. Giza, the pyramid 475 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.119 of you know, the Great Pyramid, is right in the middle of all 476 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:57.280 of our land masks. And not only that, but the three pyramids were 477 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.480 built to the line to the Orion constellation, and we can we know this 478 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:07.000 for fact using charting software like redshift that shows you where the stars are going 479 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:12.800 to be at night or tomorrow night or next week or ten thousand years ago, 480 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:17.280 twelve thousand years ago. It turns out the Orion constellation is a perfect 481 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.400 alignment with the three keys of pyramids on the ground at ten thousand, five 482 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:29.559 hundred BC. So one, there's the architectural planning that somehow it's just off 483 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.880 the charts and amazing. But two, the building blocks, the actual stones 484 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.920 used to build the Great Pyramid, it would have taken like twenty four hours, 485 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:44.239 NonStop, many many more years than what's been proposed for a physical labor 486 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:49.480 force to have somehow built that pyramid. The stones are two perfect They're almost 487 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:54.519 like cement blocks coming out of a factory. They're all perfectly the same size. 488 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.800 So you know, when we look at the Great Pyramid, there's a 489 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:06.920 lot out of controversy simply just in the evidence that it's probably much older than 490 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:13.119 we think twenty five hundred BC. Egyptian culture does not line up to the 491 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:17.559 fact that why do the pyramids align to the Irian constellation? Eight thousand years 492 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.920 earlier at ten thousand, five hundred BC. We have evidence in other areas 493 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:29.079 of Egypt, too, like in Dendera where they've built a beautiful zodiac on 494 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:34.199 the wall marking all the star constellations they would see above them at the time 495 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:39.199 eight thousand years ago. So there's just a lot of evidence to suggest the 496 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:45.159 Pyramids even erosion around the SPHINXX. The inner walls of the SPHINXX show massive 497 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.920 water erosion. There hasn't been any great rain on the Giza deserts for ten 498 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.000 thousand years, so you know, there's just a lot of pointers and things 499 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.719 that are coming up now in our new research capabilities that put a lot of 500 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.079 these monuments into question to say, well, they're probably a lot older than 501 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.400 we think, and then how are they actually built? To give you kind 502 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.400 of the the you know, the Twitter version here of how I think these 503 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.880 monuments all come in to play with each other. People have heard of the 504 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.679 idea of Atlantis, some lost advanced culture that sunk on it, you know, 505 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.679 there was on a continent that sunk into the ocean. Well, it 506 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.239 turns out if there was ever an Atlantean culture, which I think there was, 507 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.000 it would have been a global civilization. It appears that what we've been 508 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:38.239 finding, Alejandro, is that all the latest research in shows like Ancient Aliens 509 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.960 and research being done in the field is most of these new sites like go 510 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:51.000 Becle Tepe in Turkey, or if we go to like rap Anui and look 511 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:55.519 at the Moi heads, starting with Cobecle Tepe, we see these beings being 512 00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.880 depicted all over Gobecley Tepe that are very long and slender, and their hands 513 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.599 are wrapped at the waste. If we go again to the most remote areas 514 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.440 on Earth, like Rapanui Island, Easter Island, the Moai heads, they're 515 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.000 not just heads. We see that we've been digging them out of the ground 516 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.440 and there are these long, slender bodies with their hands wrapped at the wasst. 517 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:22.880 We see these same depictions in Bada Valley, Indonesia, depictions in summer 518 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.920 of these slender beings with their hands wrapped the waste. So I think, 519 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.519 Alejandro, what I'm starting to see coming to clarity. All of the great 520 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:37.559 cultures we know of today, Mayans, Egyptians, Summer, they all reference 521 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:44.360 a lost advanced civilization that we're now starting to just start to piece together, 522 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:50.480 and I don't think that that culture was completely human mm hm. And so 523 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.599 do you have a sense of what might have happened to that culture? You 524 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.960 know, I really don't. I don't unfortunately, have the answer there yet. 525 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.199 But all the evidence is pointing to most of the great cultures that we 526 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.880 think of lost ancient cultures, Egyptian, Mayan, Sumerian, Aztech. They 527 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:15.119 all seem to have pieces of knowledge and a shared story of a base of 528 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:21.280 knowledge that seems to be coming from the same source. Because it's ubiqlitous around 529 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.480 the world. They all are telling the same story. So it must be 530 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:29.800 that there was some lost advanced culture that did exist here on Earth. But 531 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.760 now we're getting into way lost epochs of time, you know, ten fifteen, 532 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:42.760 twenty fifty thousand BC. This is new information. But anywhere we look 533 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.239 it's starting to fall in alignment. Even India with the Maha Barata and these 534 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:52.559 ancient veatic texts. You know, they talk about aerial battles happening ten thousand 535 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.320 years ago amongst the gods. So it's just a new line of looking at 536 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.639 mythological information. The culture has these myths, what we consider to be myths 537 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.400 of a time when the gods came down. But what if they're not myths? 538 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.079 What if this is their best way to convey with their knowledge at the 539 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.199 time what was taking place. It seems like they went the great lengths carving 540 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:21.920 in walls and writing these you know, intricate tales of uh you know, 541 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.920 on on stone in some cases to record these sacred defense mm hm. So 542 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.239 I know one of the things you're interested in as a kind of last technology. 543 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:39.119 So what to you is one of the greatest examples of an ancient technology 544 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.400 that was human made. But you know, perhaps, like you said, 545 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:49.079 influenced by elsewhere, but some of the examples are one of the best examples 546 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.480 out there in your mind. Sure well. I did a couple of experiments 547 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.320 for the Discovery Channel the History Channel on two artifacts. Specifically, one was 548 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.159 the Bagdad battery and the other was the dendera Egyptian light bulb. What we 549 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:07.159 have with the Baghdad battery is we've found about a dozen of these ancient batteries 550 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.760 and they're data to be around twenty five hundred BC. It's about four thousand 551 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.199 years old, and it's essentially just a clay pot. It's about four to 552 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:22.039 six inches tall, and it's got a copper lining inside and an iron rod 553 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.360 that you would just drop down into the middle of this pot. And if 554 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:30.320 you fill it with any type of weak acidic acid, grape juice, wine 555 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:37.679 vinegar and put an electro electrometer on it, or test for volts if you 556 00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:43.280 will, you can actually generate positive volts by just simply filling this clay jar 557 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.159 a copper lining, iron rod again with a weak acidic acid, grape juice, 558 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:52.960 vinegar, and it generates positive volts. Now, modern archaeologists would say 559 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:58.280 that they were using this device to heat up precious elements like gold or silver 560 00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.199 and sprayed over jewelry. But the alternative theory is that this is exactly what 561 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:07.480 it was. It's an ancient power source. That same timeframe of twenty five 562 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.280 hundred BC over in Egypt, not in Iraq, but over in Egypt. 563 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:16.519 We see very similar descriptions of these clay pot batteries, very large batteries, 564 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:22.400 actually being used in Egypt. And the kicker here is they are actually powering 565 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.000 what appear to be light bulbs in the area of Dendera, Egypt. Anyone 566 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.880 can just google google Dendera light bulb. We have what are clear depictions of 567 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.719 Egyptians holding up large light bulbs, and they're literally even plugged into what appears 568 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:43.239 to be like a power source in some kind. So I was basically able 569 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:49.800 to recreate the Baghdad battery and on camera generate positive vaults by just using gray 570 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:54.800 orange juice. I also had created a dendera light bulb replica of exactly what 571 00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.440 you see the Egyptians were using, and using just a natural methane gas and 572 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:07.400 introducing a very light charge of electricity, it creates phosphorescence. A lot of 573 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:14.760 people have heard of swamp gas that misreported UFO sightings. Well that's because natural 574 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.280 methane gas sometimes comes up out of a swamp, and if the temperature's right 575 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:22.239 or spark is in the air, you can actually see a little like a 576 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.880 wave of light. And this is the same thing the Egyptians possibly were using, 577 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.559 was just introducing natural methane gas to a low heat signature and creating a 578 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:37.000 low level light field encapsulated in glass. Well that's kinda even if the Bagdad 579 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.880 battery was used to heat that metal and the spray it on Julia, that's 580 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.599 pretty cool too, But I know I thought so as well. Yeah, 581 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.400 that's pretty impressive. But so you think they were using those perhaps in conjunction 582 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.840 with these bipe bulbs as well. The only other theory that we have, 583 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:58.119 which I kind of like this one too, is you know there were always 584 00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.079 in ancient times battles for different gods to you know, follow this god or 585 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:06.880 follow this god. They had various churches to entice people to come follow raw 586 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.400 or isis to these various gods. And one thing they would do with the 587 00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:15.000 Baghdad battery is they could also be using a larger version, hook it up 588 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:20.119 to a statue and create kind of a static charge so that if someone came 589 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.840 and stood before the statue, they would hear kind of like a hum and 590 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.039 be like what is that And if they touched the statue, they would get 591 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.239 a little static charge and go, oh, it's the power of the gods. 592 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.639 Right. So they were always using you know, high priests, we're 593 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:40.519 finding ways to get access to technology and use that to make their church look 594 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:49.079 more powerful. Yeah. So those are some really interesting cases of technology. 595 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.880 But I do also, of course, want to talk about your new project 596 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:59.239 that you have going on, your ancient school. Well, you know a 597 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.400 lot of people ask Alejandro where can I learn more about these topics that I 598 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.119 see on TV and I just would like to explore it more on my own 599 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.559 time. And so what we did is we've gone ahead and set up Ancient 600 00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:15.159 School where people that like this ancient astronaut theory or want to learn some of 601 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:21.079 this sacred lost knowledge. You, by signing up to Ancient School, will 602 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.719 receive a weekly video lesson with a top expert. It's delivered right here in 603 00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:30.440 box each week. And uh, you know, just for your guests with 604 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.079 you know, Open Minds, I wanted to give you a you know, 605 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:36.760 a special Alejandro, and we've gone had set up a site to give your 606 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:42.840 listeners a free gift. It's a if they just go to Ancientbonus dot com 607 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:49.159 Ford Slash Radio. It's Ancient Bonus dot com Forward Slash Radio. You're going 608 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.880 to get a preview or a free lesson, a video lesson as well as 609 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.039 a copy of my book Ancient Alien Artifacts that show you several of the interesting 610 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.239 artifacts that we kind of touched on in today's conversation. But yeah, I'd 611 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.519 love for your listeners to check out what we're doing at Ancient School and see 612 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:13.840 if they'd like to become a member. Cool And what kind of lessons are 613 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.119 these? Whatether the type of things they can expect out of like a lesson 614 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.599 yep, Well it's going to be a video lesson taught with a top expert 615 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.760 just like myself. And basically we will take you through a thirty to forty 616 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:32.320 five minute lesson showing you things like the Baghdad battery or the Antikathera mechanism, 617 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.119 this ancient Greek computer, or looking into some of these topics like why these 618 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:42.639 monuments are aligned to the heavens, and just to get to explore this in 619 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.960 a format that is a little bit easier to and ingest. Okay, cool 620 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:52.960 and And so there'll be multiple people involved with these as well, that's correct. 621 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:54.679 We're going to have many of the researchers that you see in the show, 622 00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.800 ancient aliens and prominent people that you see in the field now doing the 623 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.639 church, doctor Robert Shock, and various others that will be firsthand teaching you 624 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.599 about the findings they find that they find in the field. And then when 625 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:16.519 it comes to the book also, I think you said you had some new 626 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.280 research in there as well. Well, yes, they just you know, 627 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.000 by going to Ancient Bonus dot com Forward Slash Radio, you can sign up 628 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.840 and get a free copy of my book Ancient Alien Artifacts, which does have 629 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:37.400 most of the latest things that we've been discovering over the last fifteen years that 630 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:43.000 kind of make your eyebrows raise a little cool. So maybe if you wouldn't 631 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.679 mind maybe at like a little sneak peak, like what is a new discovery 632 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:53.679 that really has kind of shocked you or that you've been really happy about recently. 633 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:59.159 Well, I'd say probably one of the most interesting ones is looking at 634 00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:05.880 some of these sites like Machu Pichu and Puma Puku Tao Tiwa kan all kind 635 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:12.000 in this Lake Titikaka area, there seems to be sites that were built around 636 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:19.400 an ancient lake, and again we're seeing massive evidence of this vitrification. Some 637 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:23.320 of these sites, like Puma Punku, they appear to be like an ancient 638 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:30.119 waterway or something that was sitting right on the on the shores of Lake Titti 639 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.760 Koco when it was much much bigger of a lake, and the patterns and 640 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.519 things that were seeing cut out of these stones very much resemble a type of 641 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:45.079 computerized or generated print out of what we also see in Egypt and some of 642 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:52.280 the pharaohs and the statues they've built. The perfection in cutting out these carved 643 00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:57.719 surfaces that Machu Pichu, Puma punku, as well as in various areas in 644 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.880 Egypt. Its almost like these are are three D printed objects. They're so 645 00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:09.599 mathematically accurate from their various dimensions and sizes, there's no way ancient man's simply 646 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:15.400 carved them. They're literally mathematically perfect. So by representing a lot of these 647 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:21.199 as a three D model and analyzing the math taking very accurate measurements of these 648 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:25.880 objects, we're just seeing signs of very advanced mathematics that have to be labeled 649 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:32.800 as high technology. Any note bringing up you know that area around like Titti 650 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.960 Kaka, I mean, there's so many incredible sites and strange things found around 651 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:44.400 there. Why you feel there isn't more what he hampers more research in that 652 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:50.320 area. I simply think that you know, there are lines drawn in the 653 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:54.320 dirt that modern archaeology isn't willing to cross. Wherever we start to talk about 654 00:54:54.880 --> 00:55:01.840 extraterrestrial visitation or advanced technology beyond the scope of that time frame, most archaeologists 655 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:07.360 have trouble stepping over that line and putting forth a theory, usually simply to 656 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:14.079 do the government funding or grant funding. I think the perception is starting to 657 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:20.320 change through shows like Ancient Aliens and other sources where people are being exposed to 658 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:23.599 these topics because of their own interest, not necessarily because it's on the nightly 659 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:30.119 news. So I do feel like there is a consensus of change where many 660 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:35.320 people are starting to really put into question our origins and try and figure out, 661 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.559 you know, where do we really come from? M Well, pretty 662 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:44.119 interesting staff, Well, thank you so much for taking the time out to 663 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.280 talk. Oh it's my pleasure, Allejondro. Hopefully you'll have me back and 664 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:52.320 we can talk about Mars or Planet X and some of these other fascinating topics. 665 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.280 Yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun. And so the new 666 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.880 website is Ancient School dot com and you already have quite a bit of information 667 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.320 there for people just to go and find out more about it. It looks 668 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.440 like huh yes, yes to do nuhu and a newsletter. I think that 669 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:12.880 they can sign up for two yes, correct, you can jump up newsletter 670 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.880 and kind of get an idea of what's going on inside of Ancient School cool, 671 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.039 and then ancient Bonus dot com for Slash Radio. They could go get 672 00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.599 a free copy of the book, yes and a free video lesson to kind 673 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.199 of check out what Ancient School is all about. Awesome cool. Well, 674 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:34.760 thank you so much for joining us and we'll talk to you soon. My 675 00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.039 pleasure. All andro have a good day. Bye bye, Okay, thank 676 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:42.079 you so much to Jason for joining us again. And remember his website is 677 00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:47.360 ancientschool dot com where you can get that bonus video and an excerpt of his 678 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:52.920 new book. So Ancient School dot com go check it out. Tell us 679 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.800 what you think. So again, thank you to Jason, and I do 680 00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:01.320 want to remind people of Audible really cool. Could go download some audio books 681 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:06.679 there, including a bunch of UFO selections, so you can get a free 682 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:13.960 trial, free monthly trial at audibletrial dot com forward slash Ufo Radio. It's 683 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:22.760 Audibletrial dot com forward slash Ufo Radio. And otherwise there will not be a 684 00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:30.079 show maybe for the next two weeks because we have the UFO Congress coming up, 685 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.159 which is always a lot of fun and takes up a lot of our 686 00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:37.079 time, of course because it's a lot of work. But it's going to 687 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.400 be a lot of fun too, So you can go to ufocongress dot com 688 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:45.199 to check that out. You know, we've got people like Timothy Good, 689 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:54.000 George Nori, Stephen Bassett and John Alexander and Hime Musson and Don Schmidt and 690 00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:59.679 Rob Simone, so a lot of the big names in the field that are 691 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:01.360 going to be there, and other people that you might not have heard of 692 00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:06.239 unless you've listened to our radio show, because we've got some people who aren't 693 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.000 as well known but have been on the radio show, such as David Marler 694 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:16.360 talking about triangular UFOs and recently Lee we had Aaron Sagers from the Travel Channel 695 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.000 who also works for CNN and MTV and everything about the paranormal. So we're 696 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:23.519 gonna have a lot of fun and a lot of cool things going on. 697 00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:30.400 So go to ufocongress dot com to check it out and and it ought to 698 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:35.159 be a lot of fun. You can register there and we're excited about it 699 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.480 and I hope to see you there. You can come say hi to all 700 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:42.760 of us, but again, thank you all for listening. Oh you know 701 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.679 what I do want to mention too, and I talk about the close music, 702 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:52.719 is that I want to thank Caleb Hanks who does the opening music, 703 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:58.679 and it's he's got a EP out there some music he goes by the Clerk, 704 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.760 you know, that's his I guess musician name, but he's got this 705 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:07.880 EP out there of music that's similar to the open music and similar to the 706 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:12.039 music on spacing out, you know at Jason and Maureen where they did the 707 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:16.199 UFO news on YouTube, and it's really really cool music. I've been listening 708 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:22.280 it to the this weekend and Caleb just does an awesome job. Essentially does 709 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.320 this music all himself, and you could go download the music for free, 710 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:32.360 so just google the Clerk and Caleb Hanks and then you should be able to 711 00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:37.000 find it. I can't remember the RL right now, but it's really cool 712 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:40.239 music and I just wanted to tell people about that, and because sometimes people 713 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:44.079 do ask what is that opening music? Where can I find it? And 714 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:47.639 that piece was made specifically for us, but you can find other music that 715 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.000 is of that same sort and it's really really good. He does an incredible 716 00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:58.400 job. I think just the Clerk by Caleb Hanks, And of course I 717 00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.079 want to thank the people who make the clothes music that is to Earth Minutes 718 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:06.280 and I want to thank you all for listening. I hope to see you 719 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.360 at the Congress. If so, i'll be seeing you soon. Otherwise, 720 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:15.079 i'll be talking to you in a couple of weeks. So adios muchachos, 721 01:01:00.400 --> 01:02:27.519 s S Stage Standish Standards st