1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,000 Welcome in to season two of Clips and Dip, Episode ten. I'm atam 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,560 Oslin. We got Chuck Mockler with us. No Will Updike for this one. 3 00:00:12,919 --> 00:00:15,640 Nobody on the Philly's side. We're trying to get on and talk about 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:21,120 the James Harden situation. Yeah, blame it on X. We'll still talk 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,559 about it and get into a heated Shannon Sharp now stephen A Smith like debate. 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,600 I mean skip, I mean steven A, I mean skip. Okay, 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,600 he can't get it right. Coming up later the show. Also, 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,200 we'll talk about a new Kawhi Leonard picture that is out there and we will 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:43,039 offer analyze that. Also the games that will be on KTLA this season, 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,399 So a little more schedule talk. But first, Chuck, I know there 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,320 was a tweet out there regarding Terrence Man and just how good he was from 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,479 Beyond the Ark last season in areas I think people didn't expect him to thrive 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,960 in. Yeah, so this tweet from NBA University. I believe it's a 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,319 blue check account, but they put on you. Yeah, that's the you. 15 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:11,799 They put out some solid content. The tweet was Terrence Man shot forty 16 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:17,359 four point two percent on non corner threes this season. He also shot seventy 17 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:21,439 two point two percent at the rim while creating an impressive two and a half 18 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:26,040 unassisted rim field goal per seventy five field goal attempts. A stellar blend of 19 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:32,400 balanced shot making, creativity and efficiency. Easy to imagine him scaling to new 20 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:38,200 heights with increased opportunity. And that second part of the tweet, I kind 21 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,719 of is where I want a discussion is the story of Terrence Man's Clippers career 22 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:46,719 of the past two seasons. I think maybe two and a half seasons. 23 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,480 We're gonna talk about how good he is off court for the Clippers, But 24 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,719 his per thirty six numbers are effectively the same the last three seasons. In 25 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:00,439 twenty twenty to twenty one. They're teen and a half points, six point 26 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,760 nine rebounds, three assists on fifty one percent from the floor, forty two 27 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,520 percent from three, eighty three percent from the stripe. So like pretty solid 28 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:14,159 to go along with his versatile defense and all that good stuff. Twenty one 29 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,120 twenty two, his per thirty six thirteen and a half points, six point 30 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:23,240 six rebounds, three point two assists on forty eight percent thirty six percent from 31 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,759 three seventy three percent from the line last year, thirteen point seven points per 32 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:31,840 game, five point three rebounds, three point five assists, fifty two thirty 33 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:38,680 nine seventy eight shooting splits offensively. I'm pretty sure this team, this is 34 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,919 the ceiling for Terrence on this team, which I think is a bad thing 35 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,840 based on the last three years of sample size. It's just strange how much 36 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:53,039 he's been undervalued when he's now twenty seven years of age. Yes, he's 37 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:59,000 coming into just his fifth season, his first ties in with the two one 38 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,479 three connection come to the Clippers, so it's kind of easy to follow along 39 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:10,240 in that way. But I saw this tweet from our friends Justin at La 40 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:17,240 Clippers Film saying that Terrence Mann played five minutes in game one of last season 41 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:22,599 against the Lakers. In games thirty six and thirty seven against Boston in Indiana, 42 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:28,879 he played a total of thirteen minutes. And he also put in there 43 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:36,479 he's been overvalued maybe by Clippers fans, but he's been actively engaged or the 44 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:42,800 team is actively engaged in self sabotage with Terrence Man. Justin's opinion and that, 45 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,319 but I might people, yeah, I might agree with that sentiment. 46 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,319 Yeah, it's just it's strange because I would have thought a player like him 47 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,120 because as you put out the numbers there, the per thirty six stuff, 48 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:59,080 it's all pretty consistent. He's a thirty eight percent career three point shooter. 49 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:02,039 Now, yeah, I will say not like an end all be all. 50 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,919 I'm not for those listening, I'm not trying to make that seem like the 51 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,879 perfect embodiment of what a player is. Just the consistency of what it's been 52 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:13,439 the last three years was what was so striking. But the common denominator is 53 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:19,079 he's a plus. When he's on the court. He adds and really solidifies 54 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:26,199 what makes this team good, which is their versatility. Nobody really underscores that 55 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,519 more than Terrence Man, with how many positions he's been asked to play. 56 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,920 I just would have thought that the Clippers and any team really in the NBA 57 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,759 would use a guy like this to say it's more than just the numbers. 58 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,480 He's unstatable, like Doc Herber's used to say about Avery Bradley, He's that 59 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,800 type of player that just makes winning plays. Like Patrick Beverley, you can't 60 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,759 account for everything in the box score. When it comes to Terrence Man, 61 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,160 you really have to dig deep with him or just eyeball test, because how 62 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,879 many times have we seen him jump start a run from this team when he 63 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,600 comes in in the third quarter where they look down and lethargic, and so 64 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:11,439 many of those twenty point comebacks over the last three four seasons now have been 65 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,839 started through Terrence Man and his energy and just the infectious play that he has 66 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,920 out there. And I just don't see many negatives with him. He may 67 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,920 have the highest start last year with the shooting. It was a little it 68 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,519 was kind of ugly to start the year. Okay, that's fair, but 69 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:31,720 he did shoot his way out of it. And he also played five minutes 70 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,360 in Game one, and so slow starting the amount of minutes he was given. 71 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:42,120 I believe there were some dnps in there games where he only played a 72 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,480 half in And I've seen this point made quite often from Clipper Nation. But 73 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,160 there's something to having him start in just how many minutes then you're afforded per 74 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,120 game, because if you're not getting in till you know the eight minute mark 75 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,680 of the first quarter or later, then that's pretty much going to be your 76 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,920 only stint of the first half. You may play ten minutes, but then 77 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,879 you're out with six minutes left or five minutes left in the second quarter, 78 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,480 and that's all you get. And then the same thing happens in the second 79 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,319 half, and that's how he ends up playing when I think it averaged out 80 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:19,720 to about twenty two twenty three minutes per game last season, and that included 81 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:24,680 a stretch where he did start and the minutes were up right before they brought 82 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,759 in Russell Westbrook before the All Star break. Much has been made of that. 83 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:30,959 I think the ten and four record is a little bit inflated when you 84 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,759 look into the details of how some of those games went and how many times 85 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:39,600 they almost blew the end of game situations. That's not what I normally hear 86 00:06:39,639 --> 00:06:42,399 from Clipper Nation when it's the other way around. If it's somebody like Russell 87 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:44,480 Westbrook, it's like, yeah, but look at the way they threw the 88 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,240 ball away at the end, or Paul George, they were a mess. 89 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,560 But when Terrence Man was on the court for some of that stuff against Atlanta, 90 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:56,560 against Chicago, against New York where they almost lost all these games and 91 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,560 tried to give him away, everybody just says, well, just look at 92 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,120 the record, though, that's well and did point out did point out too 93 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:08,839 that coincided when Kawai and PG were playing like there they should be playing. 94 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:12,639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Russell Westbrook and that old and five start 95 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:16,839 where they brought him in coincided with a Visa Zubost missing a bunch of games, 96 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:20,720 and we know how important he is to them defensively and how the rating 97 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:24,399 falls off a cliff when he's not out there on the court and whenever you 98 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,079 add a guy who's going to be growing pains. But back to the Terrence 99 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,199 Man stuff, why is he not what needs to happen? So it seems 100 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,240 like there's like the common thread too, is his offense needs to get trusted 101 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,360 more. Tyler needs to maybe trust the offense more. But other than shooting 102 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:45,639 maybe Kawai and Paul George as well. Yeah, but other than shooting fifty 103 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,759 percent on threes and this great stuff at the rim, what can he do? 104 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,120 I'll tell you what. It's not keep the ball in his hands and 105 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,560 make something happen, because that's not how he's gonna show his offense. That's 106 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,839 what I don't think, unless they'd maybe do, I don't know, Like 107 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,360 that's why it's so bizarre. To me, I would think a team would 108 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:11,160 appreciate him more than the fans do based upon all the little things that he 109 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,079 does. But it's actually the other way around. In this case, I 110 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:18,240 think it's it feels like you need Terrence Man to get a thirty spot once 111 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:22,120 every two weeks to keep him on the floor more, just so the team 112 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,120 realizes how valuable he is when it shouldn't be so much about his scoring. 113 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,839 I don't know why that would affect his minutes when he does all the little 114 00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:33,000 things the right way. As you mentioned, Nicholas Batoum gets that treatment. 115 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:37,559 He's a vet. He's proven much more obviously than Terrence Man. But you've 116 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:41,519 got to give him opportunities to do these things. And coming off what happened 117 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:45,240 in the twenty twenty one playoff run where he was closing out games with the 118 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,759 Clippers ahead of a Gen Rondo, I would have thought, okay, moving 119 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:54,320 forward, it's Terrence Man's spot to lose, playing twenty eight thirty minutes a 120 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,120 night. Sure he's locked in for that. The rest of the way he's 121 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,840 matured, he's shown his worth and how valuable he can be to this team 122 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,840 in crucial crunch time. Situations when you need him to play well and play 123 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:13,039 above his maturity level or age, and he did so. I would have 124 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,080 thought that would have made the minutes more concrete, made him have a more 125 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:22,919 solidified role where we heard coach Lou earlier in the season say he didn't know 126 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,440 what his role was. Now, maybe he was just annoyed with the media 127 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,639 at the time and being pestor with questions. He didn't feel like answering that, 128 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,159 as you see from coaches from time to time to time. But it's 129 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:39,879 just a really perplexing, baffling situation. Why they continue to go away from 130 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:43,399 a guy who seems to work and fit in with this team really well in 131 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:48,399 so many different ways. And is that valuable because you can use him in 132 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,559 so many ways? So five minutes for him with a team that's this injury 133 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:58,960 prone and a guy that's that multiple get them. Yeah. But the only 134 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,799 way I see it happen really is with him starting, I think, and 135 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:07,799 for that to happen, a lot of other things to happen. Yeah. 136 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:15,039 Right, It's weird, And I keep thinking about what lost that when he 137 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,200 was on the show where there was that stretch where Terrence played like the five 138 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,360 and one game, and then he like started at the two a couple of 139 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,519 games after that, and then he came in and played some point close to 140 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,799 that too. Where it is this embarrassment of utility with him, where he's 141 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,360 so like, sure, put me in any or I'll do whatever I want, 142 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:37,159 But that's not an actual role, and it seems to work wide it 143 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:43,000 works against him. Yeah, with the coaching staff not knowing how to use 144 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,960 him even though he's available to play all these different positions and fill in the 145 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,879 cracks here and there. That's what makes it just a bit of a head 146 00:10:52,879 --> 00:11:00,159 scratcher. Now that could change this season, perhaps the front office, I'll 147 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,639 use him more than the coaching staff has. They didn't throw him in to 148 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,440 try and make the hardened drade happen any sooner. So or with Fred van 149 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,039 Vliet, Yeah, so if you're not look, if you're not going to 150 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,480 play him, that he probably should be used to get James Harden. If 151 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:20,679 you're not getting James Harden, that he probably should be used on the court 152 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:28,320 for the first ye seems like an easy problem to fix. I don't understand 153 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,120 it now, you can say going into last season there were more unknowns of 154 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:37,039 the guard position with Luke Kennard, with John Wall, with Reggie Jackson. 155 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,919 God, that feels like it was like five years ago. But yes, 156 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:46,159 so a little more clarity coming into this season could lend itself well to knowing 157 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,480 where to put Terrence Man or where to five minutes for him, because if 158 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,080 he's not playing the small forward, he can get in at the one or 159 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,159 the two at times, So maybe he carves out more of a role. 160 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:01,000 There's a little bit more of a defined role for him just because of that. 161 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,879 But Russell Westbrook's gonna play thirty thirty five minutes a night you would expect 162 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,200 if they do bring in James Harden and don't have to give up Terrence Man, 163 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,559 he's gonna play thirty to thirty five minutes. Yeah, short roster in 164 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,879 that scenario, could Man at least be leading the bench or be with Russell 165 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:26,080 Westbrook and the bench unit and playing heavier minutes. And look, we're talking. 166 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,519 We'll talk about the schedule and some of the games that land on TV 167 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:35,519 locally here in a bit, But this schedule this season for the Clippers would 168 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:41,960 be difficult. If you had Kawai and Paul George playing eighty two games we 169 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,440 already know it's built in. They're not going to Yeah, so how do 170 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:52,840 you win games? You got to build continuity outside of your most optimal lineups. 171 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:58,240 Meeting with Kawai and Paul George, you have to find rotations and guys 172 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,120 that can be LEAs on those nights when your two stars or one or two 173 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:07,399 stars are out, and really figure that out early in the year. I 174 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,240 hope that's something they're able to do, and I hope Terrence Mann is a 175 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,960 part of it. Terrence played twenty three and a half minutes per game basically 176 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:20,240 last year. Do you think it's gonna be more or less than twenty six 177 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,200 minutes per game for Terrence? He played twenty eight ministry in the year before. 178 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,000 Obviously that was extenuating circumstances. Do you think you can get to twenty 179 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,879 six? I know three minutes doesn't sound like that much, but apparently it 180 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,000 is for Terrence Man. I'm gonna say less. I hope I'm wrong or 181 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:46,240 right around there. Yeah, it'll be similar, I think, And he's 182 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,519 already so efficient. I'm like, what do we I guess if he shoots 183 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,960 eighty percent, that'd be a nice improvement. But he supplies something they are 184 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,840 in desperate Nita, getting to the hoop, getting downhill. You brought up 185 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:58,840 him shooting over seventy percent at the RAM, top three in the NBA, 186 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,000 and it's not some flukey stat because you look at the other two guys, 187 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:09,360 one of them is Steph Curry. So yeah, if he can be a 188 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:18,759 three, a d and a two's attacker, rim pressuring type of guy, 189 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,679 I don't know how you don't get him in the game more to just offer 190 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,919 a lot of what the Clippers are missing at times, easy baskets. But 191 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,759 now that he's he's fully out, people can stop. Hopefully they'll stop putting 192 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,720 him in the young Clippers contingent because he is twenty seven. So yeah, 193 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:41,320 I mean, maybe this is this year, maybe everything, maybe everything snaps 194 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,200 into place for Terrence the way it needs to snap in for the coaching staff, 195 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,360 if that makes sense. I think he's a very good Obviously we all 196 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,639 Clippers fancy he's a very good professional basketball player in the NBA, seems like 197 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:56,200 the Clippers, but he needs to adjust hit the approach I guess for how 198 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,919 this team wants to play, which he is. Boy, he's willing to 199 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,279 make all these changes. He does everything the team asks. I just hope 200 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,360 it happens soon. Like you said, for the continuity, he can be 201 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:11,559 a real ceiling razor for them. Like you look at what happened in the 202 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:16,960 twenty twenty one playoffs and how well Reggie Jackson played as a playmaker and a 203 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:24,240 score late in games. If Terrence Man could do some of that, just 204 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,279 like seventy percent of what they got from Reggie of the ball too, where 205 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:33,879 he's a lot better exactly, and you have Russell Westbrook, so that role 206 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,240 isn't maybe as needed as it was at that time, especially when Kawhi Leonard 207 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,519 went out. But if he could just improve in those areas a little bit 208 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:50,519 with more consistency, I think the coaching staff would, you know, let 209 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,799 the reins off and let him play more, and let him play his game 210 00:15:54,879 --> 00:16:00,840 and just let him play with that feel and instinctual game because he embodied a 211 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:04,279 lot of the spirit that I think this Clippers organization wants from their players with 212 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:10,039 being a tough minded competitor that plays with a lot of will and force, 213 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:15,039 and that's how they've had the comebacks. As I mentioned earlier, Terrence Man 214 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,799 has been integral in a lot of those so I don't think you can have 215 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:25,879 enough players like that. It's wild that they haven't seemed to value him as 216 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,759 much. But as you said, it could all come together this season, 217 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,200 and that happens sometimes with guys even later in their careers. Twenty seven is 218 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,279 still early prime for a guy like Terrence Man. And I'm trying, old. 219 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,879 Let me look at his contract. I'm not it's a contract years. 220 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:45,639 It's this year and then next year. Yeah, so he's got this year, 221 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:49,720 the next year, and then he's unrestricted. So getting that get into 222 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:56,000 that UFA when you're twenty nine. Nice timeline for contracting payday wise. I 223 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,320 hope we can give him a shot to get what he deserves because it could 224 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,080 be a nice Bay Day and I want to see him as a lifelong Clipper. 225 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,480 Don't get me wrong. Oh yeah, But the other benefit to playing 226 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:10,519 him is to showcase his skills to raise his value. So if you do 227 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:14,960 need to use him in a trade to make something happen, the other team 228 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:18,240 finds him as a big asset owes it, They're like, oh yeah, 229 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,720 this guy, he killed us every time. So the answer for Terris Man 230 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:26,519 is just playing more. I also want to talk about how great. And 231 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:30,440 this is kind of a way that I think sometimes I work. My regular 232 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:36,240 day job is in marketing, and so when some players are very marketable players, 233 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:42,400 some players are not marketable players. Terrence Man off the court is one 234 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,640 of the best guys for the Clippers. He's at every single giveaway that they 235 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,519 do. He does free player clinics and Downey unlike Austin Reeves who charges three 236 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,720 to five hundred dollars for his player clinics. Shout out to Clipper of lad 237 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:03,000 for finding that, just saying, yeah, this black guy game against Yeah. 238 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,799 It's just one of those things man, where he's also just such a 239 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:11,440 good person. And I know that NBA for ant offices usually don't take that 240 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,839 into account one way or the other when they're offering people contracts. I think 241 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,640 for the Clippers that really do a lot to try and build their name in 242 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,079 the community. You've got the court stuff, You've got you know, bringing 243 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,400 local businesses from Englewood into the Intuit Dome and all these things, like this 244 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,359 is a guy who loves doing that stuff. Not that other guys are against 245 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,039 it, but this is a player who love representing the team in a charitable 246 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:41,240 way because he's a charitable person. That's someone that should stay with the team. 247 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:44,200 It's good for team. From a marketing perspective, if you're in that 248 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:47,640 department, he's great for excuse me, he's great for marketing. He's great 249 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,440 for pr and he's a homegrown guy. Like it's gonna hurt if Terence Mann 250 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,319 is not a Clipper after the twenty whatever for twenty five season. Yeah, 251 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,880 and I remember when they brought him in. One of the things that Lawrence 252 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,160 Frank stressed with him and other players as they were doing talent evaluations is high 253 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:15,319 character and somebody who's self driven and motivated and has that motor because he's great 254 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:21,720 with the community, he has the pedigree within his family and that situation around 255 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:27,039 basketball his entire life, handled himself like a professional from day one, was 256 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:33,160 doing that at Florida State. But he feels like the type of player that 257 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,000 can be a star role player on a championship contender and a championship winner. 258 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,279 Like if they went on away a championship and Terrence Man was a big part 259 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,759 of it, a glue guy, a connector. Nobody would be surprised by 260 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:49,160 that whatsoever, not at all. If they had to think if things go 261 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:52,480 the way that we all want them to. And there was the think piece 262 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,319 of was Terrence Man the third best player during the Clippers run? Everyone who 263 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:00,319 was an actual cover Stam would be like, yeah, he absolutely he was. 264 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,559 I also spend it about but Tum at times, who's the most important 265 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:08,440 player? Right exactly? I also forgot that Terrence got the key to his 266 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:12,119 hometown. He's got the key to Lowell, mass Oh right, key to 267 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,240 the city, which when I was young, actually thought they gave you a 268 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:19,720 key that you could just going to any door in the city. I thought 269 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,960 that's what it was. Yeah, it was coming for dinner tonight. We 270 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,440 don't know they got the king got the key to the city. Anything else 271 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:30,799 ust to say about Terrence Man. We haven't talked about him in a while. 272 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:33,880 It's just a slow offseason, so I was happy that we got a 273 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,839 chance to talk about it. Just love the way he plays and conducts himself 274 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,279 all the time. He is easily a fan favorite, one of the most 275 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:45,200 likable players. His thirty nine to break the curse or whatever of not getting 276 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,480 past the second round. Believe him six correct? I don't. It's stupid 277 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:56,599 and it's insulting to players who put in the work well, but especially somebody 278 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:03,000 like Terrence Man who definitely continues to improve but already has a skill set that 279 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:08,000 translates, I think, to what you're looking to build in the championship team. 280 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:11,000 Yeah, very fair. We hope we get more, Terence Bann. 281 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:15,359 Let us know what you think over at Clippers Pod on Twitter. We are 282 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,759 also on YouTube at Clippers Podcast on YouTube. If you're watching on YouTube, 283 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:22,680 Yep, you're not going crazy. The border appeared about halfway through that last 284 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,759 segment. I'd forgot to put it up. This is what happens when Will 285 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,000 Updike is not here. I'm sorry. You work in marketing. Yeah, 286 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:33,279 marketing is not videography. Okay, wow, I feel like I'm working right 287 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:41,240 now. Get me a photoshop something for you too, coming up. It's 288 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,960 Friday, it's a slow newsday. So Adam I are gonna cartoonishly debate about 289 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:51,400 James Harden. Who's for and who's against? I think we all know Adams 290 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,559 pro Harden. I am going to act is the anti hardened side we this 291 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,160 show has been accused of the show has been accused of thirsting for Harden, 292 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,720 which I don't think is fair, but I'm sure somebody else called us hardened 293 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:11,000 haters. So we're doing we're doing the right things. If people are hating 294 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:14,400 on both sides, that means you're being objective exactly. So coming up, 295 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,720 we're gonna be We're gonna give some background. There was a big piece from 296 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:21,039 Ramona Shelburne that we'll talk about. But we do have some ads that help 297 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:22,039 keep the lights on. So if those have been too loud for you, 298 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,880 as they have been for some of the people who listen to this show, 299 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,039 go ahead and turn it down. We got ads coming up and then harden 300 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:37,079 talk in three two one Welcome back in Cliffs and Dips Season two, episode 301 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,839 ten still to come, we'll unveil and we'll paint the picture of the picture 302 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:49,400 of lad I saw it from far about essence Shari first, sure if he 303 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:52,480 was the one to originally post it, if it was Andrew gry for somebody 304 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,839 like that, but I think it was the team. But we'll talk about 305 00:22:55,839 --> 00:23:00,319 the Kate Cla schedule and what games you can see locally while using a digital 306 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,759 antenna or whatever it is these days. I'm all streamed out, so I 307 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:07,880 have no idea streamed out. But first, welcome to the hut Seed. 308 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,319 We gotta give some background though, because there was Was this a hit piece 309 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:21,519 on James Harden or was this just uh by Ramona? Yeah, background on 310 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:23,680 the incident because it was all very anti Arden. Can you give me some 311 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,799 cliffs notes. I didn't get a chance to read all of it, and 312 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,079 what I did see it felt like too much of a hit piece that I 313 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,200 just rolled my eyes at. Kind of like Rachel Nichols was like, Oh, 314 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,359 he wants to be the number one guy? Well, then why does 315 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,599 he want to come to the Clippers. So you're doing a show and here 316 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,960 on TV for the first time in a while and you want to make news. 317 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,279 I get it. Okay, Wow, seems like he was deep. 318 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:53,799 We're not. So he was apparently upset he wasn't an All Star alternate. 319 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,000 He like kind of threw a fit because he didn't get back to the league 320 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,240 office in time. It was it was reported that before the Miami series he 321 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,599 took a separate plane because he was like partying in Miami. But this was 322 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,799 stuff that the team knew about, and apparently it was okay with other teams 323 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:18,319 seem confident. Just let this whole thing stay a mess. Uh. Then 324 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,079 after the report came out, he went to Instagram and he said, y'all 325 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:26,920 got a chill with these reports, I'm gonna start reporting shit. About forty 326 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,240 minutes or so after the the article came out, there was one part. 327 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,440 There was one quote I wanted to bring up that James takes things very personally. 328 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,599 Another source close to Harden said, when he feels like he's been wronged, 329 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,240 he can be very stubborn, And I think that is a wonderful way 330 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,799 to segue into this debate. Adam, you will be, uh the pro 331 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,200 hardened debate. I will be the anti hardened side. I'm wearing my debate 332 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,400 glasses so people know that it's not normal me. It's debate. Chuck, 333 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,960 I cannot see anything because my glasses are prescription. Adam, go ahead, 334 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,160 Why should we add? I kind of look like not a nice person in 335 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,160 this camo hat, in these glasses. You look like you're about to fly 336 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:22,200 in F fifteen straight into the wall because Chuck Yeager over here? So why 337 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,400 why should the Clippers the Chuck make this trade? I think it is Chuck 338 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,759 Yeager? Right, you're Chuck either. Can you break this out? He 339 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:32,839 broke the sound barrier in a plane. What is that like two thousand miles 340 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:36,920 per mock one? Sure, you see that little puff of smoke. Yeah. 341 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,839 Anyway, so you are the the four James. No, it's like 342 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:47,839 seven hundred and fifty eight or something. Sorry, I get you are the 343 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,920 four hardened side. I am anti hardened. Take the floor first. What 344 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:57,319 is your biggest point of adding James Harden? Sure? My biggest point out 345 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:03,480 your propaganda, My biggest argument. It's simple, Chuck Mockler is a liar, 346 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,720 and I will never be a part of an organization that he's a part 347 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:12,039 of. Let me say that again, Chuck Mockler is a liar, and 348 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,640 I will never be a part of an organization or a podcast that he's a 349 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:22,720 part of. Okay, look, Chuck, This team, as I mentioned 350 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:27,319 earlier, desperately needs a floor raiser in the regular season. Sure. The 351 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,000 last time a team that was outside of being a top three seed won the 352 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:40,359 NBA Championship was nineteen ninety five Clutch City, and they went through the Western 353 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,000 Conference gauntlet and somehow pulled it off. But they also award the defending champs. 354 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,720 They had that pedigree. Clippers don't exactly have that in their history currently. 355 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,799 They have a couple of guys who have won championships before, and one 356 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,839 of the greatest players of all time at the highest level in a playoff series 357 00:26:55,839 --> 00:27:00,720 in Kawhi Leonard. But you still have to get there. You lose a 358 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:06,160 championship. I believe in the regular season by not having a strong enough record 359 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,160 to make your path of least resistance throughout the playoffs a little bit more manageable, 360 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,279 that's what they need, I agree with. James Harden has been great 361 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,400 in the regular season throughout his career. He's an MVP, He's a ten 362 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,599 times All Star, he is a two time no three times scoring leader, 363 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,680 and he just last season, for the second time in his career, led 364 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,319 the league in assists. And he has adjusted his game as he has gotten 365 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,079 older and lost the steps. Some of that burst to get by guys still 366 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,279 has it at times when he needs it. Had multiple forty point games in 367 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,240 the first or No. The second round against them was a Miami Heat or 368 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,920 Boston Celtics this season, I think it was the Boston Celtics since they blew 369 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,480 him out in that game seven? What were the other games? They were? 370 00:27:53,559 --> 00:28:00,160 Games that were playing okay, and James Harden was has been inconsistent throughout 371 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:06,880 his career in the playoffs. Again, let's start with worrying about walk before 372 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,359 you run, walk before you ball, or crawl before your ball. I 373 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,480 think it's the phrase, now it goes. That's a good phrase. That's 374 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,640 that's okay, never mind throw it out. But this is a team that 375 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,279 needs to figure out how to position themselves better. So they're not taking on 376 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,599 the Phoenix Suns in the first round. So therefore, if you're having an 377 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,599 easier opponent and you are missing one of your superstars, you could still get 378 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,880 buy in a series with James Harden, with Russell Westbrook and one of Kawhi 379 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,720 Leonard or Paul George if you have an easier matchup to start things off. 380 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,240 Sure, are you finished with your inner arguments? That was just my opening, 381 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,279 But you can try to nothing that bad boy. So you're you're not 382 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,920 wrong about what the Clippers need. They need a floor rate, they need 383 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,720 everything you just said. Why does it have to be the guy who every 384 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:03,240 place he's gone things have been a nightmare at some point or the other. 385 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,319 It's great which on the court James Harden when he's engaged. I think he 386 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:12,000 would be great for this Clippers team. Maybe you know he can take turns 387 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,359 not showing up on the playoffs. Kawai will carry us. I firmly believe 388 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,519 that. So James can kind of do his thing and figure out when to 389 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,839 show up and Kawhi'll be there to hold that up. That would be fantastic. 390 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,200 But we're bringing James Harden into a situation where things are not easy, 391 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:32,359 right. It's not like It's not like he's coming into a team that doesn't 392 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,640 have to travel very much, that has a friendly schedule when it comes to 393 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,720 back to vacs and things like that, and has two stars that are gonna 394 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:44,680 play as much or near Joell Empiade numbers. We're bringing into the complete opposite 395 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,559 of that. And that thing that I said right before was things are going 396 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:52,319 great until he feels wrong. What happens if he feels wronged. We could 397 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:56,720 take everything that I think you just said and we could make it for the 398 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,319 seventy six ers, We could make it for the Nets. All of their 399 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,880 fan bases probably have a sound bite similar to what you just said. And 400 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,599 it's the same thing. He doesn't want to play with the MVP. He 401 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,079 doesn't want to play for Darryl Moorey, which you could argue a different argument, 402 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,559 But the MVP is still on that team, and now we're bringing him 403 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,839 into a situation where it's not like we hold stars super accountable, right, 404 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:25,440 I think that's kind of fair to say. I do think Russ as weird 405 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,160 as it's gonna sound coming from my mouth. Russ helps this Hardened situation, 406 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,880 I think more than anybody, weirdly enough. But what happens when that runs 407 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,160 out? What happens when things get tough? I just the pension for it 408 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,240 blowing up is there, and I haven't even gotten into the contract stuff yet, 409 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:48,240 which we will just I'm sure discuss at some point. Well, scary, 410 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,000 look, James hardness Back has never been closer up against the wall. 411 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,359 This is someone who missed out on one hundred and sixty one million dollars from 412 00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:00,519 the Brooklyn Nets thinking he could get a better pay day later on. Things 413 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:06,319 have soured with the Philadelphia seventy six ers and they probably justified bringing in Hardened 414 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:10,319 before saying but it will be different with us. Well, if there's ever 415 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,400 a team it'll be different with, it would be a Clippers team back in 416 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,599 Southern California for him, where he wants to be and where he'll be on 417 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,440 his best behavior because he wants to get paid by them this off season. 418 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,960 So the paid by the Clippers thing, So, how many people are we 419 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:30,680 paying in this off season? As many as it takes we got and after 420 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,759 So I mean, so we're gonna pay PG and Kawai. We're already seemingly 421 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,440 not going to give them the max at least it's not determine. Yeah, 422 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,960 every every so I should that's fair, I should rephrase it. Everything out 423 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,039 there right now, whether you believe the scuttle butt or not, is saying 424 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,680 that it's probably not going to be the max for both of them, doesn't. 425 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,559 We don't know who's gonna get it. But it's not going to be 426 00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:59,839 two MAX contracts for Paul George and Kawai. Where does that put Harden? 427 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,400 So now we have to figure out one in a third max contracts for these 428 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,640 guys. Crawl before you all, We got to see all this season goes 429 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:14,559 first of all, man, But so here's another point. Training camp starts 430 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:19,079 in less than a month. We gotta get this thing done because if we 431 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,839 want if we get it, if if you really want it done, you 432 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,799 would want it done. Quickly, right, it would be ideal to have 433 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,720 him in for training camp with the team he's going to be with all season 434 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:31,799 long, and then bringing him in midway through the year a lot less time 435 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:37,799 for him to be left to his own devices, would you some some franchises 436 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,079 fans have seen what happened. The other side of that, though, is 437 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:46,200 you're gonna have to give up more to get him sooner rightly. So it's 438 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,759 not that easy of a decision. And the Clippers do have a more favorable 439 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,400 schedule to start off the year. So I don't know if they're going to 440 00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:00,920 get into a desperate place where there I don't know where we wanted in test 441 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,640 getting to a desperate place with this team. Look, if they could bring 442 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,799 him in today for the right price, you know, I'm all for it. 443 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,279 Hear. Argument is you like him in a certain situation, which is 444 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,799 getting him in into training camp as fast as possible. That means you like 445 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,359 James Harden on the team. I would say, if you take those glasses 446 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,119 off, they're staying on, I can't see anything. I might fall out 447 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:28,079 of my chair. No, I just so, and this so this the 448 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:34,680 precursor to the trade, is what I'm already. What I'm worried about is 449 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,559 already happening, basically, is that the team is kind of in limbo. 450 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,440 Marcus Morris is still on the team. He doesn't want to be part of 451 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,480 this team. He probably shouldn't be part of this team if they have actual 452 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:51,480 champanship aspirations right well, part of the reason he could be off this team 453 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:54,680 is a trade including James Harden. Sure, but for now we're just floating 454 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,799 around. We're we have no idea what team's going to show up at training 455 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,200 camp. And it's all because of the look. I'm not saying the seventies 456 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,200 sixers organization is not to blame. I'm not trying to make that at all, 457 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:12,440 but they decide to get into it with the most kind of messy of 458 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,480 the superstars to get into it with. I personally hope that James Harden starts 459 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,039 putting out his own reports. I think that would be great for my argument 460 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,840 that he should maybe not come to this team. So I don't know from 461 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,760 this From behind these glasses, I'll tell you what. It seems like a 462 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,840 bad idea, and it's just a powder keg potentially waiting to explode. Because 463 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,480 if the Clippers don't win a championship next year, which a lot of people 464 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,599 seem to think this is the final year to take a big swing, then 465 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,639 I don't know. We have probably some disappointed said the two disappointed stars. 466 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:54,800 We have three in one of which we traded not insignificant assets to to just 467 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,920 leave if if, if, who cares? Like the point is to get 468 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,199 as close as you can to winning a championship this year. I believe James 469 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,880 Harden was getting different closer to that. If it was that easy, I 470 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,760 think that trade would have already been done. If it was that easy to 471 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:22,559 get Zach Lavine or Carl Anthony Towns who will Updike with team who Who's easy? 472 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,559 It would be done. The reason someone of his skill set, someone 473 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:30,719 of his level of talent and James Harden is available is obvious. There is 474 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,880 baggage, there are issues. There is a player who's disgruntled right now with 475 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,599 the team he's under contract with. That's where the opportunity comes in, though 476 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,599 for a team like the Clippers, and I think you have to strike while 477 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:49,320 the I is still hot. Yeah, but we know how that can happen. 478 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,320 We know the players that could be available, and the picks that it 479 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:58,239 could take to get him. The players available are bad. The situation with 480 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,639 the Philadelphia six seventy six is getting worse and worse by the day, the 481 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:06,360 closer that it gets to media Day, and if he's there on the media 482 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000 day, which he will be if he's on the team, because we know 483 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:16,280 there's that weird stipulation in the CBA where they could have control of his rights 484 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,320 and whether or not he could sign with another team when he becomes a free 485 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,719 agent next summer. They could block all of that if they really wanted to 486 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,599 drag this thing out and play hardball. When is the seventy six ers media 487 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,119 day? Do you have any idea? They haven't given it out. They're 488 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,840 waiting to see if James hardness I mean probably, well, we I think 489 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:44,320 written impass because I say, I'm not saying it's an easy trade. I'm 490 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,239 And we also don't know if they've explored the other options. That's the other 491 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,800 part of this. The only information we have is all of the mess, 492 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,719 which I mean, can't argue with me on that point. All the info 493 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,960 we have is kind of the mess right now. It's gonna be messy in 494 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,440 order to get a play or this I don't want something must have gone wrong 495 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:08,559 in his last stop and stop before. Hey, look, we're not talking 496 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:13,079 about a team that just won the championship last year and the Clippers, and 497 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:16,119 you don't want to up end things you don't want to. You know, 498 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,440 do you want to add higher and talent? Do you want to get closer 499 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,079 to a championship or do you want to get to the second round? I 500 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,599 do want to do that, but I don't think that James Harden's the only 501 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,639 option. Tell me the other options and how realistic they are. I'm not 502 00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,239 giving the realistic because right now, I don't think James Harden's realistic. I 503 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:43,280 think James Harden could just sit. It's the most realistic option at the most 504 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:50,199 sure, it's the most realistic option. So they've had discussions. It's still 505 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,880 miles differently than any other team, in any other star like Zach Levine. 506 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,760 They have an infinitely better chance of getting James Hardeness thing stand right now because 507 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,320 of it is an unprecedented situation, which is what scares me off from the 508 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,159 whole thing. But people are acting like and you may be acting like this 509 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:14,880 too right now in this debate, like James Harden's going to ruin things ruined. 510 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,400 The Clippers haven't won, so here's what he could ruin. Think of 511 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,280 think of all the things that the Clippers not winning, and then think if 512 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,039 it sucked even more. I don't know how much worse it could get. 513 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:32,960 From the fan base standpoint, with how disappointing last season was, I would 514 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,480 think just bringing in somebody like James Harden would give them more hope going into 515 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:42,360 this ship. The majority of fans feel like that. I do think. 516 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,960 Look, if the trade happens, you have no there's no option but to 517 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,199 root for it to happen, like for it to work out like I'm not. 518 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,079 You know anyone who's not going to do that. That's crazy. Yes, 519 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,559 if James Harden is on the Clippers, things still have to fall into 520 00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:59,320 place. Sure, they still have to have a little luck. That's usually 521 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,000 what it takes to win a championship. But the difference is without him, 522 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:09,480 I don't know if they're ceiling is good enough to win a championship go into 523 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:14,079 have an upgrade in talent. If we go into next season with the same 524 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,000 roster, I think people are going to be pretty upset, and rightfully so. 525 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,480 But that's where the other I don't know, that's where the other swings 526 00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:23,280 come in. They wouldn't let me even in the front office. So if 527 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,360 I worked there, I would I would do some digging out some other guys. 528 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,440 But I don't know. Man, We're gonna see what happens. I 529 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,519 will say trading if we can somehow keep Terence Man and that gives him more 530 00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,519 time. I don't know. Look, I'll just put it like this. 531 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,559 Can I put my ce in glasses on again? Or are we still debating? 532 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,079 Chuck Mockler is a liar. Let me tell you, guys, why 533 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,599 look at this picture I found of him? You want to trust this guy 534 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,159 with his takes on the Clippers? Look? How legit this picture of Chuck 535 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,280 Mockler is wearing a Laker's at, Like, what is what is he about? 536 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,119 You don't even know how to photoshop? Old man, Old man, 537 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,880 it's a translucent Lakers hat. Yep, one of one. This is not 538 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:15,400 AI. This is no I think they know it's not AI. This is 539 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:23,239 not Microsoft paint. This is Charles Mockler wearing a Laker's Western Conference Finals I 540 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,320 didn't even get You didn't even photoshop a championship hat on me. No, 541 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,760 that's how hardcore you are. You're celebrating a Lakers run to the Western Conference 542 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,159 Finals. I thought they always celebrated banners. Chuck. See, this is 543 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,239 this is why things are difficult. Adam Awston's a liar. I'll never work 544 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,320 for an organization he works for. Uh. If you want to know what 545 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,679 we're talking about, check out YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast. That 546 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:52,679 was a fun debate. I hope the people who think I don't know whatever. 547 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,280 We're gonna get James hard. We're not gonna get James Harden. Should 548 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,440 we never talk about it until there's more news, until we can get somebody 549 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:07,039 on from Philly, a mole, somebody on, somebody who is embedded in 550 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,280 the Sixers organization, until we can get someone from a until we can get 551 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,639 a mole from Philly or actual James Harden to do a report. We're putting 552 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:20,719 a moratorium on the Harden time because everyone's a baby out there. Straight from 553 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,199 the Horses Beard exactly, all right, Moving on to KTLA. Uh, 554 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,039 they're aaron. Fifteen Clippers games this year, including all four preseason games. 555 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:35,000 Sick pretty Clippers on local TV is always a good thing. The radio broadcast. 556 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,599 But whatever, Okay, no one wins this guy. Hey, I'm 557 00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:43,239 also we're recording those at five thirty five. If you run into Adam oslind 558 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,679 after this on Friday September eight, around five forty five, he's been debating, 559 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,360 he's fired up. Just let him go off. If you're going too 560 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,880 slow in line, he's gonna call you on it. NBA TV had a 561 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,960 slate of classic Clippers games recently, and four of the five were just from 562 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,119 last season. Wasn't there a loss in there? Classic Clippers games? This 563 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,440 is a loss. Guys, that game against Sacramento that they scored one hundred 564 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:16,000 and thirty six pluck are people doing? Like not respecting? It doesn't take 565 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,880 that long to google? Just god, damn. That does speak to how 566 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,880 miserable of a season a lot of people felt like last year was. I 567 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:29,880 guess they they really had to do some digging to find some great games because 568 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,000 there were a lot of rough ones they had. So they had they had 569 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,360 the they had the upset in Golden State, and then they had four games 570 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,239 from last year. I'm upset. I don't love it. You don't seem 571 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960 to care, you don't seem to care at all. I do care. 572 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:51,079 Were any of them Kawai dominating and getting easy buckets when he was going through 573 00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:57,159 that scoring stretch after January seventh, when minutes, but those aren't classic Clippers 574 00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,320 games and the pantheon of Clippers game. They just got lazy. They just 575 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,800 started pulling from last season because it was easier, And that's trash, is 576 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,960 what I'm saying. They made it seem like they didn't have a bunch of 577 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,840 great games, fill of the years and historic comebacks like I don't know, 578 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:19,239 the second biggest comeback in NBA history down thirty five in the regular season to 579 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,199 Washington and the biggest comeback in NBA history to the Golden State Warriors in the 580 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:29,239 playoffs. I'm ready to go. God damn. Maybe they didn't want to 581 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,119 see shil just Alexander. I don't know, they don't want to see us 582 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,960 shine. And then finally, Adam Muti, is this do you u? 583 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,719 Kawai pick? He's not as bulky as last year. I was hyped on. 584 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,880 It shouldn't have been. That was my bad. Definitely not as huge 585 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,000 as he was last year. I don't know how to tell from these pictures. 586 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,079 It's hard to see perspective wise, it's not like he's holding up a 587 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:58,119 newspaper and like this was me one year ago, or you can actually see 588 00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,880 him next Oh I did that. I wish Kauai just in his stimulation was 589 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:08,159 like, it's just every time I've always felt like it's been overhyped. Oh 590 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:14,119 Kauai's hulked up or bulked up. We hear this every year before the season 591 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,800 starts, and then eventually as the season goes on, he gets right back 592 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,519 to where he was summer, saying he looks huge though the far Bodis and 593 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:27,480 Shari tweet he was looking huge. His chest hair is there's more of that 594 00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,039 than ever. I'll give him that a lot of strength there. I love 595 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,480 it. He's not already laying in dirty work or anything like that, but 596 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,800 he's just trying to He's just trying to along. Came Polly, everybody, 597 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,760 and for those of you who have seen it, he's not bricking shots like 598 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,440 that. We ain't gotta wry. We're fine, Adam wonderful to see. 599 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,320 How is we're closing this one out? How have you been the last couple? 600 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:55,440 Nothing is going on? Oh I made my eye bleed. Yeah, 601 00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:01,159 that it's looking better. I don't know if you can. I gave myself 602 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:06,440 the terminator eyes so I could be like Kawai. I lifted too much in 603 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,440 the gym. I don't know I was lifting buicks or something like that. 604 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,960 You realize until I got home, what'd you have on the bench like one 605 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,960 five? I wasn't even mentioning. I was doing, like I don't know, 606 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,000 tri set pull downs on the Pulley machine. I didn't think much of 607 00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,079 it. I was doing bridges because I saw Margot Robbie hit like four minutes 608 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,960 on like the bridge where you know you're holding your ads. You watched you 609 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,079 watched a four minute video of Margot Robbie. I would but this In this 610 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,639 case, it was just her pointing to her time on a white board, 611 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000 saying like, look at me, I can do this. And I don't 612 00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,000 believe that. If Margot Robbie can do four minutes, I should be able 613 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,400 to get close to that. And I got three thirty. But that may 614 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:49,760 have made my eye Adams not as strong as Margot Robbie. That's the headline 615 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,440 for this episode. Chuck Mockler is a liar. You can't She's got you 616 00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,880 my half a minute. No One goes just off of core by av Streight. 617 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,519 Come on, now, I don't know that. I ain't five two 618 00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:06,719 all five earlier. That was pretty good. Okay, so you're you've exploded 619 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,320 your eye. What Okay? I don't think the people want to know anything 620 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,280 else. If this is what you're introing with, well, what about you, 621 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,880 Chuck? What are the adventures or misadventures of Chuck Mockler got sick over 622 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,960 Labor Day weekend. That was awesome, so had to cancel a barbecue. 623 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:27,119 That felt great. No, man, I'm hanging out and joining the heat. 624 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,719 I guess wearing jeans every day, just making myself suffer. Heat is 625 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,400 at James Harden debate. Dude, I'm fired up, right, I'm fired 626 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,320 up sweating bullets. No, I'm excited. I just I just want Clippers 627 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,239 basketball back. Excited for training camp to be back. I am too. 628 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,440 It's so close now. It's a little fucking off season right now. It's 629 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,880 been real. Like we thought we traded Marcus Morris. That didn't happen. 630 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,039 No, I thought Malcolm Broadden was on the team. We didn't entire impromptu 631 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,920 podcast about it. Looked like horses asses afterwards. Hey, you know when 632 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,639 do we not? When do we not? Well, I'll tell you I 633 00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,760 I can do a longer bridge than Margot Robbie. So that makes one of 634 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,360 us for real. So four minutes. I don't even know what a bridge 635 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,599 is, but sure I can go over four minutes. You know, It's 636 00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:15,960 like confidence is what you do it. Wait, so you're laying down prone 637 00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:20,719 on your forearms and the toes of your feet. Oh, a plank? 638 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:24,400 A plank, I'm breaking a plank, not a bridge. There's multiple names 639 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:30,440 for it, even work out. Have you ever been in the damn gym? 640 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,159 Do you even lift? Bro? Yeah? Do you even Margot Robbie 641 00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,280 on some planking? I don't know. I probably got. Yeah, I 642 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,519 got six and a half minutes on a plank. Really I got. I 643 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:45,079 got twenty five minutes on a plank. This is cap Okay, no one 644 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:49,599 ever say cap again. All Right, we're gonna be back next week. 645 00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,800 Will should be back. He's in the wilds of eastern Montana right now. 646 00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:59,440 You guys just always get drawn back to the homeland like that. You missed 647 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,360 the animals or the desolate I don't even know. Well, his side is 648 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,239 the desolate side. I'm from the side with actual mountains, which is good. 649 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,719 Is Yellowstone in some of Montana, very very very small part of it 650 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:17,360 is Yeah, yeah, get yeah. We're gonna be back next week. 651 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,039 Send us some reviews on Appletoons Cast. We would appreciate it. Check us 652 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,320 out on YouTube at Clippers Podcast. We had a live stream with Carl Tart 653 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,559 last time. It was a lot of fun. Adam, anything positive you 654 00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,920 want to end, you want to send these Clippers fans out on I can't 655 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,639 wait for the season. Guys. Let's hope James Hard and Terrence Man can 656 00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:42,280 be on the court together because that could be a lethal combination. As we 657 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,320 have outlined in today's show. Have we not sure? As always, we'll 658 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,119 see next week and let's go clips