Welcome in to season two of Clips and Dip, Episode ten. I'm atam
Oslin. We got Chuck Mockler with us. No Will Updike for this one.
Nobody on the Philly's side. We're trying to get on and talk about
the James Harden situation. Yeah, blame it on X. We'll still talk
about it and get into a heated Shannon Sharp now stephen A Smith like debate.
I mean skip, I mean steven A, I mean skip. Okay,
he can't get it right. Coming up later the show. Also,
we'll talk about a new Kawhi Leonard picture that is out there and we will
offer analyze that. Also the games that will be on KTLA this season,
So a little more schedule talk. But first, Chuck, I know there
was a tweet out there regarding Terrence Man and just how good he was from
Beyond the Ark last season in areas I think people didn't expect him to thrive
in. Yeah, so this tweet from NBA University. I believe it's a
blue check account, but they put on you. Yeah, that's the you.
They put out some solid content. The tweet was Terrence Man shot forty
four point two percent on non corner threes this season. He also shot seventy
two point two percent at the rim while creating an impressive two and a half
unassisted rim field goal per seventy five field goal attempts. A stellar blend of
balanced shot making, creativity and efficiency. Easy to imagine him scaling to new
heights with increased opportunity. And that second part of the tweet, I kind
of is where I want a discussion is the story of Terrence Man's Clippers career
of the past two seasons. I think maybe two and a half seasons.
We're gonna talk about how good he is off court for the Clippers, But
his per thirty six numbers are effectively the same the last three seasons. In
twenty twenty to twenty one. They're teen and a half points, six point
nine rebounds, three assists on fifty one percent from the floor, forty two
percent from three, eighty three percent from the stripe. So like pretty solid
to go along with his versatile defense and all that good stuff. Twenty one
twenty two, his per thirty six thirteen and a half points, six point
six rebounds, three point two assists on forty eight percent thirty six percent from
three seventy three percent from the line last year, thirteen point seven points per
game, five point three rebounds, three point five assists, fifty two thirty
nine seventy eight shooting splits offensively. I'm pretty sure this team, this is
the ceiling for Terrence on this team, which I think is a bad thing
based on the last three years of sample size. It's just strange how much
he's been undervalued when he's now twenty seven years of age. Yes, he's
coming into just his fifth season, his first ties in with the two one
three connection come to the Clippers, so it's kind of easy to follow along
in that way. But I saw this tweet from our friends Justin at La
Clippers Film saying that Terrence Mann played five minutes in game one of last season
against the Lakers. In games thirty six and thirty seven against Boston in Indiana,
he played a total of thirteen minutes. And he also put in there
he's been overvalued maybe by Clippers fans, but he's been actively engaged or the
team is actively engaged in self sabotage with Terrence Man. Justin's opinion and that,
but I might people, yeah, I might agree with that sentiment.
Yeah, it's just it's strange because I would have thought a player like him
because as you put out the numbers there, the per thirty six stuff,
it's all pretty consistent. He's a thirty eight percent career three point shooter.
Now, yeah, I will say not like an end all be all.
I'm not for those listening, I'm not trying to make that seem like the
perfect embodiment of what a player is. Just the consistency of what it's been
the last three years was what was so striking. But the common denominator is
he's a plus. When he's on the court. He adds and really solidifies
what makes this team good, which is their versatility. Nobody really underscores that
more than Terrence Man, with how many positions he's been asked to play.
I just would have thought that the Clippers and any team really in the NBA
would use a guy like this to say it's more than just the numbers.
He's unstatable, like Doc Herber's used to say about Avery Bradley, He's that
type of player that just makes winning plays. Like Patrick Beverley, you can't
account for everything in the box score. When it comes to Terrence Man,
you really have to dig deep with him or just eyeball test, because how
many times have we seen him jump start a run from this team when he
comes in in the third quarter where they look down and lethargic, and so
many of those twenty point comebacks over the last three four seasons now have been
started through Terrence Man and his energy and just the infectious play that he has
out there. And I just don't see many negatives with him. He may
have the highest start last year with the shooting. It was a little it
was kind of ugly to start the year. Okay, that's fair, but
he did shoot his way out of it. And he also played five minutes
in Game one, and so slow starting the amount of minutes he was given.
I believe there were some dnps in there games where he only played a
half in And I've seen this point made quite often from Clipper Nation. But
there's something to having him start in just how many minutes then you're afforded per
game, because if you're not getting in till you know the eight minute mark
of the first quarter or later, then that's pretty much going to be your
only stint of the first half. You may play ten minutes, but then
you're out with six minutes left or five minutes left in the second quarter,
and that's all you get. And then the same thing happens in the second
half, and that's how he ends up playing when I think it averaged out
to about twenty two twenty three minutes per game last season, and that included
a stretch where he did start and the minutes were up right before they brought
in Russell Westbrook before the All Star break. Much has been made of that.
I think the ten and four record is a little bit inflated when you
look into the details of how some of those games went and how many times
they almost blew the end of game situations. That's not what I normally hear
from Clipper Nation when it's the other way around. If it's somebody like Russell
Westbrook, it's like, yeah, but look at the way they threw the
ball away at the end, or Paul George, they were a mess.
But when Terrence Man was on the court for some of that stuff against Atlanta,
against Chicago, against New York where they almost lost all these games and
tried to give him away, everybody just says, well, just look at
the record, though, that's well and did point out did point out too
that coincided when Kawai and PG were playing like there they should be playing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Russell Westbrook and that old and five start
where they brought him in coincided with a Visa Zubost missing a bunch of games,
and we know how important he is to them defensively and how the rating
falls off a cliff when he's not out there on the court and whenever you
add a guy who's going to be growing pains. But back to the Terrence
Man stuff, why is he not what needs to happen? So it seems
like there's like the common thread too, is his offense needs to get trusted
more. Tyler needs to maybe trust the offense more. But other than shooting
maybe Kawai and Paul George as well. Yeah, but other than shooting fifty
percent on threes and this great stuff at the rim, what can he do?
I'll tell you what. It's not keep the ball in his hands and
make something happen, because that's not how he's gonna show his offense. That's
what I don't think, unless they'd maybe do, I don't know, Like
that's why it's so bizarre. To me, I would think a team would
appreciate him more than the fans do based upon all the little things that he
does. But it's actually the other way around. In this case, I
think it's it feels like you need Terrence Man to get a thirty spot once
every two weeks to keep him on the floor more, just so the team
realizes how valuable he is when it shouldn't be so much about his scoring.
I don't know why that would affect his minutes when he does all the little
things the right way. As you mentioned, Nicholas Batoum gets that treatment.
He's a vet. He's proven much more obviously than Terrence Man. But you've
got to give him opportunities to do these things. And coming off what happened
in the twenty twenty one playoff run where he was closing out games with the
Clippers ahead of a Gen Rondo, I would have thought, okay, moving
forward, it's Terrence Man's spot to lose, playing twenty eight thirty minutes a
night. Sure he's locked in for that. The rest of the way he's
matured, he's shown his worth and how valuable he can be to this team
in crucial crunch time. Situations when you need him to play well and play
above his maturity level or age, and he did so. I would have
thought that would have made the minutes more concrete, made him have a more
solidified role where we heard coach Lou earlier in the season say he didn't know
what his role was. Now, maybe he was just annoyed with the media
at the time and being pestor with questions. He didn't feel like answering that,
as you see from coaches from time to time to time. But it's
just a really perplexing, baffling situation. Why they continue to go away from
a guy who seems to work and fit in with this team really well in
so many different ways. And is that valuable because you can use him in
so many ways? So five minutes for him with a team that's this injury
prone and a guy that's that multiple get them. Yeah. But the only
way I see it happen really is with him starting, I think, and
for that to happen, a lot of other things to happen. Yeah.
Right, It's weird, And I keep thinking about what lost that when he
was on the show where there was that stretch where Terrence played like the five
and one game, and then he like started at the two a couple of
games after that, and then he came in and played some point close to
that too. Where it is this embarrassment of utility with him, where he's
so like, sure, put me in any or I'll do whatever I want,
But that's not an actual role, and it seems to work wide it
works against him. Yeah, with the coaching staff not knowing how to use
him even though he's available to play all these different positions and fill in the
cracks here and there. That's what makes it just a bit of a head
scratcher. Now that could change this season, perhaps the front office, I'll
use him more than the coaching staff has. They didn't throw him in to
try and make the hardened drade happen any sooner. So or with Fred van
Vliet, Yeah, so if you're not look, if you're not going to
play him, that he probably should be used to get James Harden. If
you're not getting James Harden, that he probably should be used on the court
for the first ye seems like an easy problem to fix. I don't understand
it now, you can say going into last season there were more unknowns of
the guard position with Luke Kennard, with John Wall, with Reggie Jackson.
God, that feels like it was like five years ago. But yes,
so a little more clarity coming into this season could lend itself well to knowing
where to put Terrence Man or where to five minutes for him, because if
he's not playing the small forward, he can get in at the one or
the two at times, So maybe he carves out more of a role.
There's a little bit more of a defined role for him just because of that.
But Russell Westbrook's gonna play thirty thirty five minutes a night you would expect
if they do bring in James Harden and don't have to give up Terrence Man,
he's gonna play thirty to thirty five minutes. Yeah, short roster in
that scenario, could Man at least be leading the bench or be with Russell
Westbrook and the bench unit and playing heavier minutes. And look, we're talking.
We'll talk about the schedule and some of the games that land on TV
locally here in a bit, But this schedule this season for the Clippers would
be difficult. If you had Kawai and Paul George playing eighty two games we
already know it's built in. They're not going to Yeah, so how do
you win games? You got to build continuity outside of your most optimal lineups.
Meeting with Kawai and Paul George, you have to find rotations and guys
that can be LEAs on those nights when your two stars or one or two
stars are out, and really figure that out early in the year. I
hope that's something they're able to do, and I hope Terrence Mann is a
part of it. Terrence played twenty three and a half minutes per game basically
last year. Do you think it's gonna be more or less than twenty six
minutes per game for Terrence? He played twenty eight ministry in the year before.
Obviously that was extenuating circumstances. Do you think you can get to twenty
six? I know three minutes doesn't sound like that much, but apparently it
is for Terrence Man. I'm gonna say less. I hope I'm wrong or
right around there. Yeah, it'll be similar, I think, And he's
already so efficient. I'm like, what do we I guess if he shoots
eighty percent, that'd be a nice improvement. But he supplies something they are
in desperate Nita, getting to the hoop, getting downhill. You brought up
him shooting over seventy percent at the RAM, top three in the NBA,
and it's not some flukey stat because you look at the other two guys,
one of them is Steph Curry. So yeah, if he can be a
three, a d and a two's attacker, rim pressuring type of guy,
I don't know how you don't get him in the game more to just offer
a lot of what the Clippers are missing at times, easy baskets. But
now that he's he's fully out, people can stop. Hopefully they'll stop putting
him in the young Clippers contingent because he is twenty seven. So yeah,
I mean, maybe this is this year, maybe everything, maybe everything snaps
into place for Terrence the way it needs to snap in for the coaching staff,
if that makes sense. I think he's a very good Obviously we all
Clippers fancy he's a very good professional basketball player in the NBA, seems like
the Clippers, but he needs to adjust hit the approach I guess for how
this team wants to play, which he is. Boy, he's willing to
make all these changes. He does everything the team asks. I just hope
it happens soon. Like you said, for the continuity, he can be
a real ceiling razor for them. Like you look at what happened in the
twenty twenty one playoffs and how well Reggie Jackson played as a playmaker and a
score late in games. If Terrence Man could do some of that, just
like seventy percent of what they got from Reggie of the ball too, where
he's a lot better exactly, and you have Russell Westbrook, so that role
isn't maybe as needed as it was at that time, especially when Kawhi Leonard
went out. But if he could just improve in those areas a little bit
with more consistency, I think the coaching staff would, you know, let
the reins off and let him play more, and let him play his game
and just let him play with that feel and instinctual game because he embodied a
lot of the spirit that I think this Clippers organization wants from their players with
being a tough minded competitor that plays with a lot of will and force,
and that's how they've had the comebacks. As I mentioned earlier, Terrence Man
has been integral in a lot of those so I don't think you can have
enough players like that. It's wild that they haven't seemed to value him as
much. But as you said, it could all come together this season,
and that happens sometimes with guys even later in their careers. Twenty seven is
still early prime for a guy like Terrence Man. And I'm trying, old.
Let me look at his contract. I'm not it's a contract years.
It's this year and then next year. Yeah, so he's got this year,
the next year, and then he's unrestricted. So getting that get into
that UFA when you're twenty nine. Nice timeline for contracting payday wise. I
hope we can give him a shot to get what he deserves because it could
be a nice Bay Day and I want to see him as a lifelong Clipper.
Don't get me wrong. Oh yeah, But the other benefit to playing
him is to showcase his skills to raise his value. So if you do
need to use him in a trade to make something happen, the other team
finds him as a big asset owes it, They're like, oh yeah,
this guy, he killed us every time. So the answer for Terris Man
is just playing more. I also want to talk about how great. And
this is kind of a way that I think sometimes I work. My regular
day job is in marketing, and so when some players are very marketable players,
some players are not marketable players. Terrence Man off the court is one
of the best guys for the Clippers. He's at every single giveaway that they
do. He does free player clinics and Downey unlike Austin Reeves who charges three
to five hundred dollars for his player clinics. Shout out to Clipper of lad
for finding that, just saying, yeah, this black guy game against Yeah.
It's just one of those things man, where he's also just such a
good person. And I know that NBA for ant offices usually don't take that
into account one way or the other when they're offering people contracts. I think
for the Clippers that really do a lot to try and build their name in
the community. You've got the court stuff, You've got you know, bringing
local businesses from Englewood into the Intuit Dome and all these things, like this
is a guy who loves doing that stuff. Not that other guys are against
it, but this is a player who love representing the team in a charitable
way because he's a charitable person. That's someone that should stay with the team.
It's good for team. From a marketing perspective, if you're in that
department, he's great for excuse me, he's great for marketing. He's great
for pr and he's a homegrown guy. Like it's gonna hurt if Terence Mann
is not a Clipper after the twenty whatever for twenty five season. Yeah,
and I remember when they brought him in. One of the things that Lawrence
Frank stressed with him and other players as they were doing talent evaluations is high
character and somebody who's self driven and motivated and has that motor because he's great
with the community, he has the pedigree within his family and that situation around
basketball his entire life, handled himself like a professional from day one, was
doing that at Florida State. But he feels like the type of player that
can be a star role player on a championship contender and a championship winner.
Like if they went on away a championship and Terrence Man was a big part
of it, a glue guy, a connector. Nobody would be surprised by
that whatsoever, not at all. If they had to think if things go
the way that we all want them to. And there was the think piece
of was Terrence Man the third best player during the Clippers run? Everyone who
was an actual cover Stam would be like, yeah, he absolutely he was.
I also spend it about but Tum at times, who's the most important
player? Right exactly? I also forgot that Terrence got the key to his
hometown. He's got the key to Lowell, mass Oh right, key to
the city, which when I was young, actually thought they gave you a
key that you could just going to any door in the city. I thought
that's what it was. Yeah, it was coming for dinner tonight. We
don't know they got the king got the key to the city. Anything else
ust to say about Terrence Man. We haven't talked about him in a while.
It's just a slow offseason, so I was happy that we got a
chance to talk about it. Just love the way he plays and conducts himself
all the time. He is easily a fan favorite, one of the most
likable players. His thirty nine to break the curse or whatever of not getting
past the second round. Believe him six correct? I don't. It's stupid
and it's insulting to players who put in the work well, but especially somebody
like Terrence Man who definitely continues to improve but already has a skill set that
translates, I think, to what you're looking to build in the championship team.
Yeah, very fair. We hope we get more, Terence Bann.
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now. Get me a photoshop something for you too, coming up. It's
Friday, it's a slow newsday. So Adam I are gonna cartoonishly debate about
James Harden. Who's for and who's against? I think we all know Adams
pro Harden. I am going to act is the anti hardened side we this
show has been accused of the show has been accused of thirsting for Harden,
which I don't think is fair, but I'm sure somebody else called us hardened
haters. So we're doing we're doing the right things. If people are hating
on both sides, that means you're being objective exactly. So coming up,
we're gonna be We're gonna give some background. There was a big piece from
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have no idea streamed out. But first, welcome to the hut Seed.
We gotta give some background though, because there was Was this a hit piece
on James Harden or was this just uh by Ramona? Yeah, background on
the incident because it was all very anti Arden. Can you give me some
cliffs notes. I didn't get a chance to read all of it, and
what I did see it felt like too much of a hit piece that I
just rolled my eyes at. Kind of like Rachel Nichols was like, Oh,
he wants to be the number one guy? Well, then why does
he want to come to the Clippers. So you're doing a show and here
on TV for the first time in a while and you want to make news.
I get it. Okay, Wow, seems like he was deep.
We're not. So he was apparently upset he wasn't an All Star alternate.
He like kind of threw a fit because he didn't get back to the league
office in time. It was it was reported that before the Miami series he
took a separate plane because he was like partying in Miami. But this was
stuff that the team knew about, and apparently it was okay with other teams
seem confident. Just let this whole thing stay a mess. Uh. Then
after the report came out, he went to Instagram and he said, y'all
got a chill with these reports, I'm gonna start reporting shit. About forty
minutes or so after the the article came out, there was one part.
There was one quote I wanted to bring up that James takes things very personally.
Another source close to Harden said, when he feels like he's been wronged,
he can be very stubborn, And I think that is a wonderful way
to segue into this debate. Adam, you will be, uh the pro
hardened debate. I will be the anti hardened side. I'm wearing my debate
glasses so people know that it's not normal me. It's debate. Chuck,
I cannot see anything because my glasses are prescription. Adam, go ahead,
Why should we add? I kind of look like not a nice person in
this camo hat, in these glasses. You look like you're about to fly
in F fifteen straight into the wall because Chuck Yeager over here? So why
why should the Clippers the Chuck make this trade? I think it is Chuck
Yeager? Right, you're Chuck either. Can you break this out? He
broke the sound barrier in a plane. What is that like two thousand miles
per mock one? Sure, you see that little puff of smoke. Yeah.
Anyway, so you are the the four James. No, it's like
seven hundred and fifty eight or something. Sorry, I get you are the
four hardened side. I am anti hardened. Take the floor first. What
is your biggest point of adding James Harden? Sure? My biggest point out
your propaganda, My biggest argument. It's simple, Chuck Mockler is a liar,
and I will never be a part of an organization that he's a part
of. Let me say that again, Chuck Mockler is a liar, and
I will never be a part of an organization or a podcast that he's a
part of. Okay, look, Chuck, This team, as I mentioned
earlier, desperately needs a floor raiser in the regular season. Sure. The
last time a team that was outside of being a top three seed won the
NBA Championship was nineteen ninety five Clutch City, and they went through the Western
Conference gauntlet and somehow pulled it off. But they also award the defending champs.
They had that pedigree. Clippers don't exactly have that in their history currently.
They have a couple of guys who have won championships before, and one
of the greatest players of all time at the highest level in a playoff series
in Kawhi Leonard. But you still have to get there. You lose a
championship. I believe in the regular season by not having a strong enough record
to make your path of least resistance throughout the playoffs a little bit more manageable,
that's what they need, I agree with. James Harden has been great
in the regular season throughout his career. He's an MVP, He's a ten
times All Star, he is a two time no three times scoring leader,
and he just last season, for the second time in his career, led
the league in assists. And he has adjusted his game as he has gotten
older and lost the steps. Some of that burst to get by guys still
has it at times when he needs it. Had multiple forty point games in
the first or No. The second round against them was a Miami Heat or
Boston Celtics this season, I think it was the Boston Celtics since they blew
him out in that game seven? What were the other games? They were?
Games that were playing okay, and James Harden was has been inconsistent throughout
his career in the playoffs. Again, let's start with worrying about walk before
you run, walk before you ball, or crawl before your ball. I
think it's the phrase, now it goes. That's a good phrase. That's
that's okay, never mind throw it out. But this is a team that
needs to figure out how to position themselves better. So they're not taking on
the Phoenix Suns in the first round. So therefore, if you're having an
easier opponent and you are missing one of your superstars, you could still get
buy in a series with James Harden, with Russell Westbrook and one of Kawhi
Leonard or Paul George if you have an easier matchup to start things off.
Sure, are you finished with your inner arguments? That was just my opening,
But you can try to nothing that bad boy. So you're you're not
wrong about what the Clippers need. They need a floor rate, they need
everything you just said. Why does it have to be the guy who every
place he's gone things have been a nightmare at some point or the other.
It's great which on the court James Harden when he's engaged. I think he
would be great for this Clippers team. Maybe you know he can take turns
not showing up on the playoffs. Kawai will carry us. I firmly believe
that. So James can kind of do his thing and figure out when to
show up and Kawhi'll be there to hold that up. That would be fantastic.
But we're bringing James Harden into a situation where things are not easy,
right. It's not like It's not like he's coming into a team that doesn't
have to travel very much, that has a friendly schedule when it comes to
back to vacs and things like that, and has two stars that are gonna
play as much or near Joell Empiade numbers. We're bringing into the complete opposite
of that. And that thing that I said right before was things are going
great until he feels wrong. What happens if he feels wronged. We could
take everything that I think you just said and we could make it for the
seventy six ers, We could make it for the Nets. All of their
fan bases probably have a sound bite similar to what you just said. And
it's the same thing. He doesn't want to play with the MVP. He
doesn't want to play for Darryl Moorey, which you could argue a different argument,
But the MVP is still on that team, and now we're bringing him
into a situation where it's not like we hold stars super accountable, right,
I think that's kind of fair to say. I do think Russ as weird
as it's gonna sound coming from my mouth. Russ helps this Hardened situation,
I think more than anybody, weirdly enough. But what happens when that runs
out? What happens when things get tough? I just the pension for it
blowing up is there, and I haven't even gotten into the contract stuff yet,
which we will just I'm sure discuss at some point. Well, scary,
look, James hardness Back has never been closer up against the wall.
This is someone who missed out on one hundred and sixty one million dollars from
the Brooklyn Nets thinking he could get a better pay day later on. Things
have soured with the Philadelphia seventy six ers and they probably justified bringing in Hardened
before saying but it will be different with us. Well, if there's ever
a team it'll be different with, it would be a Clippers team back in
Southern California for him, where he wants to be and where he'll be on
his best behavior because he wants to get paid by them this off season.
So the paid by the Clippers thing, So, how many people are we
paying in this off season? As many as it takes we got and after
So I mean, so we're gonna pay PG and Kawai. We're already seemingly
not going to give them the max at least it's not determine. Yeah,
every every so I should that's fair, I should rephrase it. Everything out
there right now, whether you believe the scuttle butt or not, is saying
that it's probably not going to be the max for both of them, doesn't.
We don't know who's gonna get it. But it's not going to be
two MAX contracts for Paul George and Kawai. Where does that put Harden?
So now we have to figure out one in a third max contracts for these
guys. Crawl before you all, We got to see all this season goes
first of all, man, But so here's another point. Training camp starts
in less than a month. We gotta get this thing done because if we
want if we get it, if if you really want it done, you
would want it done. Quickly, right, it would be ideal to have
him in for training camp with the team he's going to be with all season
long, and then bringing him in midway through the year a lot less time
for him to be left to his own devices, would you some some franchises
fans have seen what happened. The other side of that, though, is
you're gonna have to give up more to get him sooner rightly. So it's
not that easy of a decision. And the Clippers do have a more favorable
schedule to start off the year. So I don't know if they're going to
get into a desperate place where there I don't know where we wanted in test
getting to a desperate place with this team. Look, if they could bring
him in today for the right price, you know, I'm all for it.
Hear. Argument is you like him in a certain situation, which is
getting him in into training camp as fast as possible. That means you like
James Harden on the team. I would say, if you take those glasses
off, they're staying on, I can't see anything. I might fall out
of my chair. No, I just so, and this so this the
precursor to the trade, is what I'm already. What I'm worried about is
already happening, basically, is that the team is kind of in limbo.
Marcus Morris is still on the team. He doesn't want to be part of
this team. He probably shouldn't be part of this team if they have actual
champanship aspirations right well, part of the reason he could be off this team
is a trade including James Harden. Sure, but for now we're just floating
around. We're we have no idea what team's going to show up at training
camp. And it's all because of the look. I'm not saying the seventies
sixers organization is not to blame. I'm not trying to make that at all,
but they decide to get into it with the most kind of messy of
the superstars to get into it with. I personally hope that James Harden starts
putting out his own reports. I think that would be great for my argument
that he should maybe not come to this team. So I don't know from
this From behind these glasses, I'll tell you what. It seems like a
bad idea, and it's just a powder keg potentially waiting to explode. Because
if the Clippers don't win a championship next year, which a lot of people
seem to think this is the final year to take a big swing, then
I don't know. We have probably some disappointed said the two disappointed stars.
We have three in one of which we traded not insignificant assets to to just
leave if if, if, who cares? Like the point is to get
as close as you can to winning a championship this year. I believe James
Harden was getting different closer to that. If it was that easy, I
think that trade would have already been done. If it was that easy to
get Zach Lavine or Carl Anthony Towns who will Updike with team who Who's easy?
It would be done. The reason someone of his skill set, someone
of his level of talent and James Harden is available is obvious. There is
baggage, there are issues. There is a player who's disgruntled right now with
the team he's under contract with. That's where the opportunity comes in, though
for a team like the Clippers, and I think you have to strike while
the I is still hot. Yeah, but we know how that can happen.
We know the players that could be available, and the picks that it
could take to get him. The players available are bad. The situation with
the Philadelphia six seventy six is getting worse and worse by the day, the
closer that it gets to media Day, and if he's there on the media
day, which he will be if he's on the team, because we know
there's that weird stipulation in the CBA where they could have control of his rights
and whether or not he could sign with another team when he becomes a free
agent next summer. They could block all of that if they really wanted to
drag this thing out and play hardball. When is the seventy six ers media
day? Do you have any idea? They haven't given it out. They're
waiting to see if James hardness I mean probably, well, we I think
written impass because I say, I'm not saying it's an easy trade. I'm
And we also don't know if they've explored the other options. That's the other
part of this. The only information we have is all of the mess,
which I mean, can't argue with me on that point. All the info
we have is kind of the mess right now. It's gonna be messy in
order to get a play or this I don't want something must have gone wrong
in his last stop and stop before. Hey, look, we're not talking
about a team that just won the championship last year and the Clippers, and
you don't want to up end things you don't want to. You know,
do you want to add higher and talent? Do you want to get closer
to a championship or do you want to get to the second round? I
do want to do that, but I don't think that James Harden's the only
option. Tell me the other options and how realistic they are. I'm not
giving the realistic because right now, I don't think James Harden's realistic. I
think James Harden could just sit. It's the most realistic option at the most
sure, it's the most realistic option. So they've had discussions. It's still
miles differently than any other team, in any other star like Zach Levine.
They have an infinitely better chance of getting James Hardeness thing stand right now because
of it is an unprecedented situation, which is what scares me off from the
whole thing. But people are acting like and you may be acting like this
too right now in this debate, like James Harden's going to ruin things ruined.
The Clippers haven't won, so here's what he could ruin. Think of
think of all the things that the Clippers not winning, and then think if
it sucked even more. I don't know how much worse it could get.
From the fan base standpoint, with how disappointing last season was, I would
think just bringing in somebody like James Harden would give them more hope going into
this ship. The majority of fans feel like that. I do think.
Look, if the trade happens, you have no there's no option but to
root for it to happen, like for it to work out like I'm not.
You know anyone who's not going to do that. That's crazy. Yes,
if James Harden is on the Clippers, things still have to fall into
place. Sure, they still have to have a little luck. That's usually
what it takes to win a championship. But the difference is without him,
I don't know if they're ceiling is good enough to win a championship go into
have an upgrade in talent. If we go into next season with the same
roster, I think people are going to be pretty upset, and rightfully so.
But that's where the other I don't know, that's where the other swings
come in. They wouldn't let me even in the front office. So if
I worked there, I would I would do some digging out some other guys.
But I don't know. Man, We're gonna see what happens. I
will say trading if we can somehow keep Terence Man and that gives him more
time. I don't know. Look, I'll just put it like this.
Can I put my ce in glasses on again? Or are we still debating?
Chuck Mockler is a liar. Let me tell you, guys, why
look at this picture I found of him? You want to trust this guy
with his takes on the Clippers? Look? How legit this picture of Chuck
Mockler is wearing a Laker's at, Like, what is what is he about?
You don't even know how to photoshop? Old man, Old man,
it's a translucent Lakers hat. Yep, one of one. This is not
AI. This is no I think they know it's not AI. This is
not Microsoft paint. This is Charles Mockler wearing a Laker's Western Conference Finals I
didn't even get You didn't even photoshop a championship hat on me. No,
that's how hardcore you are. You're celebrating a Lakers run to the Western Conference
Finals. I thought they always celebrated banners. Chuck. See, this is
this is why things are difficult. Adam Awston's a liar. I'll never work
for an organization he works for. Uh. If you want to know what
we're talking about, check out YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast. That
was a fun debate. I hope the people who think I don't know whatever.
We're gonna get James hard. We're not gonna get James Harden. Should
we never talk about it until there's more news, until we can get somebody
on from Philly, a mole, somebody on, somebody who is embedded in
the Sixers organization, until we can get someone from a until we can get
a mole from Philly or actual James Harden to do a report. We're putting
a moratorium on the Harden time because everyone's a baby out there. Straight from
the Horses Beard exactly, all right, Moving on to KTLA. Uh,
they're aaron. Fifteen Clippers games this year, including all four preseason games.
Sick pretty Clippers on local TV is always a good thing. The radio broadcast.
But whatever, Okay, no one wins this guy. Hey, I'm
also we're recording those at five thirty five. If you run into Adam oslind
after this on Friday September eight, around five forty five, he's been debating,
he's fired up. Just let him go off. If you're going too
slow in line, he's gonna call you on it. NBA TV had a
slate of classic Clippers games recently, and four of the five were just from
last season. Wasn't there a loss in there? Classic Clippers games? This
is a loss. Guys, that game against Sacramento that they scored one hundred
and thirty six pluck are people doing? Like not respecting? It doesn't take
that long to google? Just god, damn. That does speak to how
miserable of a season a lot of people felt like last year was. I
guess they they really had to do some digging to find some great games because
there were a lot of rough ones they had. So they had they had
the they had the upset in Golden State, and then they had four games
from last year. I'm upset. I don't love it. You don't seem
to care, you don't seem to care at all. I do care.
Were any of them Kawai dominating and getting easy buckets when he was going through
that scoring stretch after January seventh, when minutes, but those aren't classic Clippers
games and the pantheon of Clippers game. They just got lazy. They just
started pulling from last season because it was easier, And that's trash, is
what I'm saying. They made it seem like they didn't have a bunch of
great games, fill of the years and historic comebacks like I don't know,
the second biggest comeback in NBA history down thirty five in the regular season to
Washington and the biggest comeback in NBA history to the Golden State Warriors in the
playoffs. I'm ready to go. God damn. Maybe they didn't want to
see shil just Alexander. I don't know, they don't want to see us
shine. And then finally, Adam Muti, is this do you u?
Kawai pick? He's not as bulky as last year. I was hyped on.
It shouldn't have been. That was my bad. Definitely not as huge
as he was last year. I don't know how to tell from these pictures.
It's hard to see perspective wise, it's not like he's holding up a
newspaper and like this was me one year ago, or you can actually see
him next Oh I did that. I wish Kauai just in his stimulation was
like, it's just every time I've always felt like it's been overhyped. Oh
Kauai's hulked up or bulked up. We hear this every year before the season
starts, and then eventually as the season goes on, he gets right back
to where he was summer, saying he looks huge though the far Bodis and
Shari tweet he was looking huge. His chest hair is there's more of that
than ever. I'll give him that a lot of strength there. I love
it. He's not already laying in dirty work or anything like that, but
he's just trying to He's just trying to along. Came Polly, everybody,
and for those of you who have seen it, he's not bricking shots like
that. We ain't gotta wry. We're fine, Adam wonderful to see.
How is we're closing this one out? How have you been the last couple?
Nothing is going on? Oh I made my eye bleed. Yeah,
that it's looking better. I don't know if you can. I gave myself
the terminator eyes so I could be like Kawai. I lifted too much in
the gym. I don't know I was lifting buicks or something like that.
You realize until I got home, what'd you have on the bench like one
five? I wasn't even mentioning. I was doing, like I don't know,
tri set pull downs on the Pulley machine. I didn't think much of
it. I was doing bridges because I saw Margot Robbie hit like four minutes
on like the bridge where you know you're holding your ads. You watched you
watched a four minute video of Margot Robbie. I would but this In this
case, it was just her pointing to her time on a white board,
saying like, look at me, I can do this. And I don't
believe that. If Margot Robbie can do four minutes, I should be able
to get close to that. And I got three thirty. But that may
have made my eye Adams not as strong as Margot Robbie. That's the headline
for this episode. Chuck Mockler is a liar. You can't She's got you
my half a minute. No One goes just off of core by av Streight.
Come on, now, I don't know that. I ain't five two
all five earlier. That was pretty good. Okay, so you're you've exploded
your eye. What Okay? I don't think the people want to know anything
else. If this is what you're introing with, well, what about you,
Chuck? What are the adventures or misadventures of Chuck Mockler got sick over
Labor Day weekend. That was awesome, so had to cancel a barbecue.
That felt great. No, man, I'm hanging out and joining the heat.
I guess wearing jeans every day, just making myself suffer. Heat is
at James Harden debate. Dude, I'm fired up, right, I'm fired
up sweating bullets. No, I'm excited. I just I just want Clippers
basketball back. Excited for training camp to be back. I am too.
It's so close now. It's a little fucking off season right now. It's
been real. Like we thought we traded Marcus Morris. That didn't happen.
No, I thought Malcolm Broadden was on the team. We didn't entire impromptu
podcast about it. Looked like horses asses afterwards. Hey, you know when
do we not? When do we not? Well, I'll tell you I
I can do a longer bridge than Margot Robbie. So that makes one of
us for real. So four minutes. I don't even know what a bridge
is, but sure I can go over four minutes. You know, It's
like confidence is what you do it. Wait, so you're laying down prone
on your forearms and the toes of your feet. Oh, a plank?
A plank, I'm breaking a plank, not a bridge. There's multiple names
for it, even work out. Have you ever been in the damn gym?
Do you even lift? Bro? Yeah? Do you even Margot Robbie
on some planking? I don't know. I probably got. Yeah, I
got six and a half minutes on a plank. Really I got. I
got twenty five minutes on a plank. This is cap Okay, no one
ever say cap again. All Right, we're gonna be back next week.
Will should be back. He's in the wilds of eastern Montana right now.
You guys just always get drawn back to the homeland like that. You missed
the animals or the desolate I don't even know. Well, his side is
the desolate side. I'm from the side with actual mountains, which is good.
Is Yellowstone in some of Montana, very very very small part of it
is Yeah, yeah, get yeah. We're gonna be back next week.
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last time. It was a lot of fun. Adam, anything positive you
want to end, you want to send these Clippers fans out on I can't
wait for the season. Guys. Let's hope James Hard and Terrence Man can
be on the court together because that could be a lethal combination. As we
have outlined in today's show. Have we not sure? As always, we'll
see next week and let's go clips