Welcome to Garden Wall Record, a nostalgic time corpsule. I'm no spoiler book
Club of the original Over the garden Wall, Thank dam are your creepy curators.
I am shocking Shelby, I am chilling Charlie, and I'm hell led
through the mist by the milk line. All that was lost is repealed,
long bygone burdens near echoso of a scream? But where have we come?
And where shall we? If dreams can't come true, then why not breed?
I've been living happily in these past six months as a woodsman, as
a woodsman in a story book. I've been living happily these past six months
as a woodsman and a children's story book. It's from attack. He's alive.
He's in the unknown, but he's alive. Over the garden Wall podcast
period piece. It's many periods in a piece. It's many periods, many
pieces. Yeah, who's here? Interestingly, my wife is here? If
your wife I love to talk, I'm not. I wasn't introduced him to
existence yet. Well that's a hell of an introduction, right, Nia.
So Nia, you and I have been dating for six years, that's right.
But also you're an artist and v tuber and vocalist. That does not
even cover all of the things I do. I do illation, I to
basically streamer, I sing, and also I pretty much just teach myself anything
I find interesting or something that I need in my line of work. But
mainly I am pretending to be a cadgirl online. A nice being a catirl
for you. So that's like the Wikipedia headline, like Nia is primarily a
cat girl, but also, you know, an illustrator. But before we
introduce the guests you brought on, may I tell the story of you and
I I met? Go ahead. So I was in a group chat for
Ace Attorney fans and someone there read as a Tomato had become an artist on
a blog counting down until the anime Ace Attorney anime officially released. Each day
a different fan art would be posted off someone holding up a sign with a
number, and her username was read as a Tomato. And I was following
that blog and I saw someone named Tomato Magica had posted and I was like,
oh, did did she change her username? And I messaged the person
to try to figure out what was going on. By the time they responded,
I was like, that is someone else? I have just start engaged
in a conversation with a stranger, and now we're and if you like to
talk with tomatoes, that's a different podcast at the end. Yeah, goes
at the end of the show for you, kind of vaguely reminding me of
the time the Apple the company tried to trademark you know, apples actual apples.
Oh my god, that feels that feels like a villain move, but
that also tracks for apples. Yeah, So who's your friend here? So
my friend here is maybe Measy, also known as web. She is VTuber,
an artist, a singer, and she's very awesome. I love that.
Yeah, I do all those things. I don't have an extensive line
of things, but I do have a cold. That's fun. You're so
our museum you. Oh no, guys, I'm so sorry. I just
gave you my cold. But now you're the coolest people around, so it
doesn't matter. She gave us the VTuber rabies. You both here today.
We do have do you have a rule here? We can't actually let you
into the spooky theme museum without inducting you with you're allowed to name you're sick.
That's no problem to us. Now you're allowed to enter like the lobby,
but to get to the rest of the place, we need to give
you a spooky name. I need to give you a halloween themed name.
Uh so, so just figure that out for each of you. For example,
I'm chilling Charlie Shelby, I'm shocking Shelby, and I, of course
obviously am l As stated at the time, it's you know, union regulations.
You know, we all need a halloweeny name. M m. So,
who wants to go first? Aren't we witchy webbed? He? Witchy
web is good? I was going to good. I was going to suggest
cob web. No, that's lame. Cool is good? Do you have
one? Miya? Can I just steal Ella's? Can I be Yeah?
In your past? I like that you could be Neacula. That's pretty good.
I did have red eyes, This is true. I like, I
like, all right, yeah, we'll go with that. And you have
to pronounce it with a snarl of your claws, like you have to kind
of like a cape over your mouth, go blah blah blah. I don't
say that, so true say that when I say, I don't say I
do come from the Slavic part of Europe, So does that give you like
the blah blah blah. Right, so you are a vampires that gives me
the vampires and does that give you special powers? Oh yeah, you should
come clean about that. Go ahead, my special power rolling ours it.
That was a sexy R. She just sound like r into a sexy R.
People describe their cars per is sexy all the time. That is value.
They straight one of cars scary some of that sexy per So Also,
I would love just to set the mood for our seasonal podcast if either of
you wanted to share a Halloween anecdote from from your life. One time I
walked through the woods to get to someone's house and I kind of how this
starter kind of like walked in the lake. So I was like dressed very
little as a little I think it was a bird. I think I was
playing as a bird. Didn't just enter like this series like, are you
sure you didn't just experience over the garden wall. I don't know what happened?
Was I like, I live on a mountain, right, So to
get them, okay, that one part to get to one part of the
other or another person's house, you have to go through like a valley.
You have to walk down and up, so but in between all ends of
my down is like water. So I thought I was going through a dry
spot, but it wasn't. And then I walked, yeah, okay,
is this a real story. Why would I lie to you? It's a
real story, whether or not. Sorry, I'm sorry, all right,
go on. And I walked to this other person's house and it was abandoned.
Oh my god, they gave you the wrong address. That's the scariest
on nobody there I was. I wasn't going to an address. I just
went to like the closest house in the middle of nowhere, and it was
empty. Was it haunted? You knocked on the door and they were like
you were knocked on the doors, like is anyone home? And someone's like,
why would anyone live there? You have to tredge through water to get
the house. I think it would be that if I like went over there.
I also saw my neighbors that night and they're like, nobody lives here.
Walk back, walk back through this one. My neighbors like were over
there for some reason, and they were like, we walk over here all
the time. The other bottom of the mountain in the in the opposite direction
where the where the poison ivy is, and you can go to our house.
And I was like, wait, hey, god, so there are
so so near you. There are a bunch of traps guarding an abandoned house.
Yeah, and the two options are going through the water or the poison
ivy when you get there. The problem was like, if I went to
the poison ivy, right, it's a straight line, it would be water
mountain, then poison ivy. So I'd still like another go in another mountain.
I'd still be walking in the trail. Well, we all know that
the sweetest candy comes you lived in a cursed valley. Yes, our hardest
battle the sweetest candy. The sweetest candy comes when you have to battle everything.
Yes, of course. Yeah, fought for life that night, that's
yeah. The best, the best trigger treating hall I ever got was when
I had to fight their dog, like just punch a dog to get your
candy. One time there was a there was a giant like bug on top
of the doorbell. So that was the most I ever had to fight for
for the candy. Wait, so if dog fights are illegal, are dogs
fighting children illegal? No? Because that's actually recommended worth less than the dog
apparently, So yeah, you could fight. They fight all the time in
school, they're fighting super It's it's legally required for all dogs to fight all
children. Nah, is Halloween really like a thing? In sure? So
Halloween, I would say it's more like a cosplay holiday more than anything.
It's like the older generation they do not really know much about Halloween. They
just know that it's like scary and Satan worshiping, so they are firmly against
it. Like I know in some regions they even then like celebrations of Halloween,
but it's not like really that serious across the board, and for the
young people it's usually just an excuse to get drunk and like dress up and
cosplays. I mean that's what it is here too. I fel like you
have actual traditions, not really, it's really more of a candy holiday,
a candy based holitay fully it's yeah, it's it's a very lax one here.
So you have like more opportunities to have in trigger Tree because like in
a lot of parts, you have like houses, they're like separated from each
other and we just have apartments. True, Okay, yeah, I describe
it as a lack I don't know, well, no, it's we get
into Halloween. But there's no The traditions are all very based upon children having
fun and not about of alcohol. Give out anti Halloween booked for Halloween.
I'm sorry, what that's a very like uniquely southeastern and they were like children,
so they moved here. They moved here, and they're also from Russia,
but they moved here and they give out these little books every Halloween.
And they're like, don't do Halloween, don't do Halloeen, think Halloween is
think Halloween is evil. And yet you give out and yet you're giving out
things on Halloween, you're participating in the holiday. Interesting, the children aren't
giving out the Halloween stuff and I'm very intelligent. That's what I meant about
a lax holiday. The traditions are so simple that handing out anti Halloween literature
sure can count as participating. When I was little, I was not allowed
to watch stuff like it can be as harmless as you can imagine, and
like if it has something to do with like witches or ghosts or whatever,
like people will hate it. Look when you die, you're done. We
don't want to give the children the idea that there's something after that I don't
want to get excited for something after that scared. So I have an autumnal
tradition of watching over the Garden Wall every single year, and one autumn I
found myself in Nia's arms and so we this is not the first them.
Yeah, Nia kidnapped me and the country took me. Yep, we took
me to Belgium and we watched over the garden. So this will not be
the first time we have watched over the Garden Wall together. That's right,
right that time, not the first time. Well, Nea was in the
real time fandom as Enoch because you had to go to Yeah, I had
to go to bed, so he cast them as someone in the second episode,
Yeah, exactly. And when I remember, I distinctly remember when Greg
is hitting the the wolf with the axe and going spank, Spike, spank.
I didn't have an axe, but I did that in time with him.
Yeah. I can't bring an axe on an airplane, it turns out,
but you could buy one. They're a rent one. Maybe if I
already I guess I already tried to bring a giant knife right under the Yeah,
and then had to run across several states. Oh, by the way
that is worth mentioning. You all have been transformed into were wolves, by
the way we're working on it, were wolves, not swear wolves though okay,
I scared perhaps though you might be scared. Was like a witch?
Just doesn't that mean that she should transform into a witch? Do we all
get transformed into a witch that transforms into a were wolf? Which the werewolf
thing is just kind of a bonus onto whatever monster. If you're aware wolf,
that means you're in another form twenty nine days out of a month or
But now, because you are aware of it, you are an aware wolf.
Aware. Yeah. But if we weren't aware of it, we'd just
be you would just be aware wolf. Okay, you'd be an unaware wolf
aware, yeah, an unaware or were wolf. So are we ready to
watch an episode of Over the Garden It is? Well, then I guess
we should start in the middle of the series, because that's where we left
off. Mad Love is the fifth episode of Over the Garden Wall. It
premiered on November fifth, twenty fourteen, on Cartoon Network, and it was
written and storyboarded by Natasha Legry and Zach Gorman, who we've talked about in
previous episodes. That's being puppy cat and costume quest right, mm hmmm,
yeah, and since you were and since since yeah was a cat girl is
now a werewolf kind of a puppy cat. God, Beatrice, why are
you pretending I'm this guy's nephew. We need money? You're scamming him.
I was thinking more like flat out stealing from him. What? No way?
Why not we already stole a horse? Hey, guys, no we
didn't. Friend's a talking horse. He can do whatever he wants. I
want to steal what. You guys are bunkers. So ah, just watch
Mad Love Don't be mad Mia and Webb, what did you think of that
one? I love it, I love tea, and I don't love kissing
my competitors. But if they're pretty, I guess it's okay. Yeah,
it's enemies to love. It was really funny that Beatrice started screaming the second
word imply that they about to have a conversation one of the dude, it's
not like a nice person. Yeah, this is like the first episode where
she gets close to being a nice person, but it does track with her
backstory, which is find out in this episode that she used to be a
person that she used to be human, and was her and her entire family
were cursed to turn into bluebirds because she threw a rock at a Was it
like at a witch in bluebird form? Is that something like that when she
is trying to be anyone? It's true. If rocks are meant to fly,
they have wings. That's what I always say. And then when I
hear you say that every day, when the counselors would say that to us
at camp, we would draw wings on the rock and be like, yeah,
that's right, it's right there. Because the thing that really made me
laugh was worth being able to tell between the Georgian architecture and Nero Cocoa,
well French Rococo. Yeah, and if I remember correctly, Rococo is a
part of the Georgian style. So it's like Rococo is Georgian, but not
all Georgian is Rococo. Oh okay, and w understands that distinction because he's
a gigantic Nerse well exactly. Yes. Quincy Endicott's house is based off of
Colonial architecture, specifically mostly Thomas Jefferson's house, and Margalite Garay's house is based
off of French architecture so that's the distinction that that was given. In the
Design Philosophy, Chris Sergiotes wrote, this was the most intensive episode of the
Bunch, all that baroque architecture. Towards the end, I was relying on
photo reference to get it done. Oh god, well you know what they
say, if it ain't fix it. Another line that really stuck out to
me was when Beatrice was telling the story about her family and where it was
like, so you're going to the Adelaide to get them turned back into humans
and she was like, yes, that was the plan, but yes,
that was the plan, like she was having she was having a thought,
like she was having doubts, second thoughts. I thought that was big.
I mean it's because her whole, this whole started because she was a jerk
to a bluebird. That's right, she can't stop being a jerk. Like
this is like she's she's finally like realizing that maybe well, even when she's
trying to comfort and lift up work, she says, well the poetry thing
is weird, yeah, because where it reveals his dark secrets that he has
a crush on a girl's poetry to himself and he plays clarinet how old is
Beatrice supposed to be, like twenty, Well she was about the same age
as Work, maybe like sixteen or seven. Twenty year olds that are she
is an asshole, But twenty year olds don't usually throw rocks at bluebirds.
But a fifteen year old mite. Yeah, because as we said in our
in the when we covered the first episode, you're sixteen. Ah, you
should be apprenticing in the in the Yeah. No, in the era when
Beatrice and her family are based off of sixteen was worldwide considered an adult.
I mean pretty much every era that is portrayed in Garden Wall. Yeah.
So Quincy Endicott is the uh, it's the eccentric rich guy that I assume
this was Beatrice's idea. That Beatrice has convinced him that Work and Greg are
his nephews and that they can they're trying to steal some some money from him
so that they can take the ferry to Adelaide's house because they need two coins,
which is a reference to a Tartarus, Right, is that what that
is? Or is that the river sticks? It's the River Styx. Yeah,
you need two coins, one on each eye in order to cross the
river sticks. That's your So it used to be a pretty pretty common burial
practice. Why do I think it was? Like under your tongue? Is
that something else? One? There is? There is one? Maybe maybe
this that, but I remember, I'm well, I say it absorbs into
your bloodstream better than just doing it orally it's true or or ocularly. Yeah.
So. Quincy Endicott is voiced by no One. Voiced by no one.
Don't worry about it, don't worry about it. Just he's real.
Yeah, he's very transphobic. I mean we could explain, like evil people,
No, don't. You don't need to go into it. I hate
evil. Fine. Yeah, he was in the Harry Potter films and defends
Joe Ane on Twitter. Yeah, don't be mad. I love. There's
a lot of great Greg moments. I love when he calls the peacock chicken
just a weird chicken. Greg and Fred are definitely dueling for MVP of this
episode because Fred oh Fred so so. In the comics, we learn that
the reason that Fred has this obsession with stealing is because he's the Highwayman's horse.
That's you know what he does. But I love official horse. I
love he's a talking horse. He could do what he wants. I want
to steal, Like it's the worst little gasp. You guys are bonkers,
that exchange that ends with I want to steal. I I saw, like
the majority of my exposure to the show initially was people quoting or gifting that
exchange. Yeah, and just the the total lack of stealth that intrinsically comes
with being a horse like you seem like all the overturned like cabinets just littered
throughout the house as they go, like, it's very it's very hard to
have a quick hand when U f holfs. Yeah, and we get when
we're knocks over the knocks over a vase, we get the classic pottery breaking
noise that is the uh, the Wilhelm scream of Wet Hot American summer.
Yeah, it's in nearly every scene of the Wet Hot franchise, and you've
definitely heard it in something so the Patrick McHale in the art book said that
the inspiration for this story came from a dream that he had once. He
said, I was looking at houses to buy. I was inside a small
house looking at the fireplace, and there was a staircase that went up through
the chimney on the left side. There were some bricks missing, and you
could walk up. While the real estate agent was talking to somebody else,
I went up the steps. They wound their way up, up, up,
until finally opening into a big, beautiful library. The rest of the
house had been very plain, but this secret room was just gorgeous. There
was a giant globe in the middle of the room, and all these books
and candles and an ornate old rug. This room is so valuable. I
thought, if I buy this house and I get this room, I'll immediately
make my money back. Then I noticed the room had a nerdy dream.
I love that. This is how he thinks when he's sleeping. Y yeah,
yeah. Then I noticed the room had a large set of doors on
the opposite side, which opened into another hallway. I thought, this house
is so big. Did the previous resident even know about all this? How
long has it been since someone set foot here? I walked down the hall
seeing room after a beautiful room, they sounded. They looked like the rooms
weren't in Beatrice. Fine when they come out of the fireplace. But then
I heard a sound from one of the rooms. Someone was in this house
with me and it slowly began to dawn on me that I wasn't in the
same house. I had accidentally broken into a stranger's house through a secret passage.
I was trespassing in some rich person's mansion. I tried to leave,
and then I woke up. I've had a lot of dreams where I'm just
suddenly in a different location, and when I become cognitively aware of it,
I justify it with like, there must have been a secret passage. Yeah,
hands have done. And then also a lot of my dreams end with
me not being where I'm supposed to be and someone getting mad at me.
So oh yeah, oh yeah, that's how I live my life though,
so well, yeah, I'm supposed to be. Yeah. I could see
how it inspired the ghost angle of the story, because Quincy Endicott he is
worried that he that there's either a ghost at his mansion, the ghost of
a beautiful woman in a portrait that he's obsessed with. Either there's a ghost
and that's scary, or there's not a ghost and he's going mad, which
is scarier, And I'm like, yeah, same, And he's completely alone.
Yeah, rather be with a ghost than with his own thoughts in a
mansion that he described as a labyrinth, Like, imagine describing your own homes
that you live in as that's impossible to navigate. I feel like a lot
of rich people can describe their house as such, though these hands have done
the hands have done this money accurate. Yeah, thought that was very accurate
to the reach people. Oh yeah, that line delivery is so good and
Greg just really wants to see it goes. I do too. I think
if I was in the position, I too would want to look for the
ghost and be like I'm ghostbuster, don't worry, I'll just go find it
by myself. Yeah, it's like going so nice, like trying to lift
his lift his spirits, uh huh, trying to like tell him like it's
gonna be okay. There is definitely a ghost. I think. I love
that it continues the the theme that we were talking about with Greg, where
every episode he is very focused on one thing and one thing alone, exactly
the ghost. I love that that's a constant, like that's exactly that that
Max and Ruby thing where Max says new like thing and Yeah. I also
love how gullible Quincy Endicott is at one point he's like, you know me,
well, nephew, you just met this guy like an hour ago.
But yeah, he accepts greg logic easier than anyone. Like when Greg's like
all right, let's go heave ho, He's like, yes, yes,
yes, he assumes he has known Greg since he was born. Yeah,
they just gaslight this poor old man, and he just he falls for it.
He's very low. Yeah, yeah, he's design wise. Nick Kruss
said that he was a mixture of George Washington and King George the Third to
George. Yes, you know that. Well that I'm pretty sure that's the
George that they're referring to in that. But his giant collar that goes up
to his eyebrows is based on a drawing that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's father did.
Apparently, Yeah, Charles Eltimont Doyle didn't illustration of some guy with a
huge collar apparently iconic. I would love I would love context as to why,
but just also it's better that I don't have it. Like it's like
his son, his son invented fingerprinting, and he invented collars that grew up
to your eyebreast and so cuts to the product of George sest Ella. We
talked about Washington Irving. There is a moment in the original Rip van Winkles
story where he wakes up and spies an illustration of George Washington for the first
time because he wasn't a political figure when he fell asleep, and he's like,
wow, King George looks different because he just it's a guy in a
powdered wig named George. I don't His personality is a very interesting mix of
being both like trusting too easily and being incredibly suspicious of people because he's afraid
of people stealing from him, suspicious of himself even like he does not trust.
He trusts like Greg so easily, but cannot believe his own eyes.
There are there are some substances that do get you in that mindset. Yeah,
such a lot of caffeine. It's just para. My fingers they look
like little sausages in the In the In the Ruddles, they replace the anecdote
of Bob Dylan introducing the Beatles with to weed with tea, but changed no
other details about the story. He just has this effect on you. It's
still Bob Dylan. They didn't even change that. Yeah, the big twist
is that there was no ghost. It's just a real lady. It's Magel
eats Gray, who is voiced by Babe Newarth, who played Fraser's wife Lilith
on Cheers and Fraser originated Martitia Adams and the Broadway cast of The Adams Family
Musical. And I had a main role on Teenage Youth in Asia, which
is a cartoon I interned on for Adult Swim. It's on it's on HBO.
Max. Uh, you practically know her, is what you're saying.
So I never met her. I I just did drawings to her voice.
You did etween voice really well. You did even between frames of her and
Nate. And she kissed Nathan Lane. This, this is an amazing person.
Yeah, now I wish I kissed now you by by transitive property kiss
Nathan. I kissed Nathan Lane. Yes, you're right. Yeah, No,
it's so you can watch Change Just the Nation on HBO Max knock on
w So. Yes, there are two mansions that are that are so big
that they touch each other, and there's like a weak piece of wood that
can be removed to travel between the too. What if I moved my minecraft
mentioned next to your just joking. Unlets s t can't stand the stuff myself
that he hates tea. You built this whole empire on it. If you
love tea and you grow tea, that's not getting out to the masses.
You're right. You're right also to get high on my exactly. All right,
you have any other any other notes on this episode before we move over.
The frog only come out at the end of the episode. I feel
like he was afraid of the goat. I don't know for him to do.
And sometimes there are frogs that you just want to come out and like
sing all the time, but whenever, like people, I want all the
frogs to come out. We know they're gay, but I'm just saying,
yeah, well, what you know, sometimes you want a frog to pop
out of its container and sing to people, but it just kind of stays
there. Oh yeah, right, yeah, I'll believe that when I see
it, Charlie. And hello, even when I see it, Charlie,
you're not trying to tell me there's a singing dancing frog. There's a singing
dancing frog in this Yeah, okay, all right, that's a normal frog.
I'm gonna turn my back. Hello baby, Hello, my honey,
hello, or rather brother Hello Dirk, and is mild for rather? I
guess, uh, I guess led through the mists by the yeah yeah yeah,
but still with the hat and cane. I want that up tempo led
through the mist in the milk move God. But no, I think the
maybe like the actual like the douralist explanation could just be that since Fred was
on the adventure for all of this episode, that was just like a lot
of characters to balance, so they kind of tucked the frog away under Greg's
hat so they didn't have to like Doyle Is describe this person who drew the
giant collar instead of the person with the giant collar exactly. Are we ready
to move on then? Ready? Yeah? After a quick musical interlude,
Oh, we're going to past to the Anelaide and ask her if she has
a way to sentence back where we came from. I don't know who she
is, or how she is, or when why she is, but ask
her where she is she is where we will go to Adelaide alade. Come
on and join the Adelaide parade. Adelaide to Adelaide. You're going to Adelaide's
house today? Ah, you know I'm getting I'm getting kind of sleepy.
You know, it could somebody like like sing me some kind of song like
to help me sleep. Well, you just sang us a song. So
that's tired me out. And really, okay, maybe I think I can
past the bad time. I think Nia and Web will probably probably serenade us
later play out. All right, what about for now? For now,
I think we should stick to this Lulla by in Frogland. Oh okay,
that sounds like a good idea. What is that? Well, ell,
I'm glad you asked if I did ask episode of Over the Garden Wall twenty
fourteen on Cartoon Network. It is written in storyboarded by Bert y'all and Nick
Edwards. Nick Edwards, Nick Edwards, Yes, the director on Apple and
Onion and the Fungiesees. That's fun geez geez. Or maybe it's the funky
I don't well, I just pull it up on you, you know,
I'll just pull it up on HBO metage. Oh no, no, yeah,
that that actually was one of the shows that was one of the shows
that got screwed over. And it sucks because it was a really cute show.
Okay, so that's why I haven't heard of it. Because it has
been we have pirates on board. It has been snapped from existence by no,
no, no, this is a normal ferry. This is a I
do love boats, though, yeah, and it's fun. It's fun that
we have an episode based on a nightmare and an episode about a boat,
because right before recording, Web had a nightmare about a boat. I had
a nightmare about and I was like, to be fair, I was going
through the woods and then going through a house, and then I got on
a boat and then the nightmare ended and I was a zombie. But I
wasn't doing anything crazy. I was just a zombie doing those things. So
you were going on your on your Halloween story and you were going through the
water and not the place. Yeah, yeah, just like that. Yeah,
I'm just doing hot zombies all right. Were ready to get into Lallaby
and frog Land. Let's go. Yeah, what a nice way to spend
our last day going to Adelaide's house. Our journey is finally over. Pretty
soon I'll be back home. I won't have to worry about that woodsman or
that beast or whatever, and you won't have to put up with us anymore.
But you're pretty happy, hon Beadris huh oh, yeah, sure you
all right, you sound uncharacteristically wistful. What sorry, just thinking? So
we just watched Lullaby and Frogland and Frogland, the nineteen twenty two stop motion
silent film by Nia. Do you want to help us with this Russian name?
Blood is loved? That istf Staty, which made a night teen twenty
two stop motion film called Lullaby and Frogland called frog called Frogland that this was
largely inspired by We just watched it for the first time. It's really weird,
like I didn't understand any of it. It's sound stuffy about people being
unsatisfied with their leader, so they pray to God to give them a new
one, and then he sends one that eats all of them. Yeah,
which sounds about right. Yeah, it is very well animated like that,
I can say for sure, Like it's very well done. They're just part
of the just part of the stork stint my face party, and they never
thought that stork would eat there the storks eat my Face party versus the stupid
King party. Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right now. It's also,
of course, as many people have clocked inspired by Wind in the Willows
because there's not like a steamboat of frogs in in frog the original frog Land,
but there is a yeah yeah, so that there is a big old
draw yeah. And of course the title is a reference to Lullaby and Birdland,
which is the old jazz standard, the old jazz standard. You know,
we z web and nia outside of the weird stop motion we just watched
forget that for a moment. What did you think of this episode of Over
the Garden Wall? It's my favorite. There is there's a post on tumblr.
I don't remember what the first part says, but the second one is
like what's more embarrassing being an animal and not wearing clothes or wearing clothes and
pretending you're not an animal? It really sums up the way I feel about
this episode, because like we have two kinds of frogs, Like the first
one the Greg's frog that was introduced before George Washington just your yeah, the
regular frog that is kind of a friend, kind of a pet. But
still like this is like the only frog we see so far, and then
we get all these frog people, like they even have their legs drawn differently,
Like if you look at the George Washington's legs, they are like,
well, they look more in line with the real frogs, while the frogs
in this episode have like a lot of them have the lags drawn just like
the human characters in this show have right, just like straight lines, anthromorphosized
and that kind of and that creates awkwardness that George Washington, the frog is
naked. Yeah, you can see that they are like different kinds of frogs,
even if you did put them in clothes right. And we have a
link in the description to the art book of Over the Garden Wall archived on
the Internet Library on our archive dot org. And there's just a two page
spread of a bunch of frogs sketches and then the colored versions of them.
So good, it's so good, So many frogs, frogs, frogs and
eighteen hundreds outfits. I mean, what more could you want? Honestly,
it's and baby frogs that you I don't like them slipping on tadpoles like banana
peels. Oh god, yeah, that's pretty bad. But I do love
just a bunch of jazz frogs, top hats and straw hats and a fairy.
And the faerry itself was, according to the art book, like modeled
to just feel like a giant version of like a tin toy fairry. That
makes sense, I can see that in the design. Yeah. Oh,
the the on the boat on the side you see McLaughlin Brothers. Ferry.
McLaughlin Brothers published children's books in the eighteen hundreds up to the nineteen twenties.
Oh, and it's also designed to the point where there are Chris. The
boat is designed to the point that there are little like slots and tabs on
like the walls of the ferries. Fairies, you could see kind of where
they are connected, like where that would have been built and if it were
a toy. It's such a nice detail. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah.
Yeah, and the song is amazing in this one, both songs,
right, because they have to they infiltrate the band because the police are chasing
after George Washington because he's nude. And also in the last one, they
threw out their money to get onto the ferry, so they are like,
yeah, they can't get caught or else lesse nose at all, and they're
finally on their way to Adelaides and Beatrice seems of two minds about it,
but they have to get on each other's shoulders inspired by Little Rascals and wear
Wort's overcoat and play in the band. And Greg disguises himself as a drum
possibly subconsciously inspired by neutrim Milk Hotel album cover he was asked. Pat mchel
was asked if it was inspired by an album cover from Nutrimential Hotel, and
he said almost certainly, but not on purpose. Yeah, although there is
also a frog that goes into either a bucket or a drum in Frogland that
looked very similar to this too. That's true, that's true. But yeah,
the song is fantastic. George Roshington, the frog just opens his mouth
and sings. Yeah, he sings. We see his mouth sing. We
saw him play the piano in the first episode, I believe. But also
that was in a black, inky, black void that we weren't necessarily supposed
to accept. This real. He is standing on the protagonist as the agetically
singing. Yes, he's standing on a protagonist as that protagonist slams the face
of the other protagonist with a mallet. Well play soon, but uh,
there's too much omerture for them. I love I love how they write him
as a pretentious teenager. It's yeah, my favorite, my absolute favorite line
of this episode is maybe the whole series. Oh no, beat respond to
you to Frog jail. It's a really it's where he name drops Jason Funderberger.
That's right, that's right. No he didn't name before, right,
No he didn't. He just mentioned that he had the previous episode was that
I have a crush. On a previous episode, I have a crush on
a girl. And this is the episode that sets up the idea of like
there is some kind of romantic rival named Jason frives him like such a you
know, a distinguished young man and the Chad Jason Thunderberger. First, Yeah,
and then what he actually happens to be is well, I guess we
don't know. I can't wait to see what Jason, what a chat he
is? Yeah, I can't wait to see what this guy looks like.
He's probably got like, uh, got an eight pack, got like muscler
eyeballs, even for sure, jacket and well quafft hair, well quaft,
Yeah, I bet it's really quaft. I bet there's some quaffing going on.
George Washington finally gets some clothes and a record deal out of the performance,
a Frog record deal because none of them, but they have no Yeah.
I love that none of them, Like, there's still no talking with
these animals. Like I guess that's why he got offered a record deal immediately,
is because none of them can talk or sing. They're they're like,
oh, we can make we can sing to the melody, but none of
us can sing the lyrics. Wow, yeah, we can say wow.
He sounded like the guy from the Love Boat introll. Yeah. Perhaps the
radio version of dream, the Impossible Dream. I know, I'm the guy
who wrote the love book offering record deal, but they It reminds me of
what David Spencer said when we were talking about christ mill in that, you
know, he was talking about how I don't know, like what level of
talking animal and magical world I'm supposed to accept. And I think this continues
to play on that because all the frogs who are anthropomorphois because Beatrice establishes in
the first episode that birds can't talk, and this one we established that,
oh, frogs are anthropomorphic. They just still can't rock. They can't talk,
but this one can sing. Oh yeah, what if it's just a
choice there, They don't have to talk for you. Why would they?
Why would they do that. Why would they do that? We should honestly,
it's disrespectful of us to expect them to learn English when we could learn
from learn. That is very true. Maybe they just took a vow of
singing so like that well while joyfully rolling in dirt. Oh no, that's
just grog well being in dirt. Beatrice put on the table an option of
just staying here right right, because she's like, look, you're kind of
a loser, right, but not here here, which also isn't really super
true. It's just kind of her trying to like convince him to stay.
I'm I'm gonna be completely honest, I'd rather live in the unknown, more
danger. It costs two cents to go on a boat ride with a bunch
of frogs, Like two cents to go on a frog boat ride. That
sounds like about like think about like a lot of the previous episodes, like
I don't know. This was definitely a lighter adventure than usual, which contrasts
varies strongly with the ending of the end of this episode because that adventure is
kind of shortened, like the adventure on the frog boat, because there's like
a whole other section in this episode. Yeah, It was originally a separate
episode called Adelaide of the Past Year, and they just had to consolidate the
end here. The weird thing is like, in my memory when I'm not
watching the episode, I think of that as a separate episode, but like
all together, I'm like, oh no, wait, this was one episode.
Yeah, because both segments of this episode have a beginning, middle,
and end. Yeah. Yeah, although I guess there was a through line
with like Beatrice's emotions throughout. Were you saying something website? I was.
I think it'd be a little weird to want to live in this fantasy world
when every single human that we've seen is absolutely insane. So I think I
had some effects on your brain. Yes, consider this. He's a fourteen
year old that is about to confess to his crush. That is terrifying,
and he's gonna go Nutice is way more terrifying than frogs and clothing. But
I'm saying, like frogs. So we got an explanation as to why Beatrice
has been having all of these uncharacteristically wistful moments. As where put it,
because her friends were about to be made into child telmans. I was gonna
say, to be fair, she started out to saying, hey, your
two kids with no purpose. So they go from being two kids with no
purpose to friends, right right, right right. And originally they were supposed
to just clean up her yard, get off my lawn. Yeah, originally
they were supposed to just be punished with a few hours of manual labor and
murder, sorry not murder. Yeah. We finally meet Adelaide of the pasture,
and she is voiced by no one again, which is weird. I
guess they just cast Adelaide as herself. Yeah, she's real, well she
was until someone opened a windows. Pat Pat mckaw went into the recording,
but it was like, it's kind of stuffy in here, you mind if
I and then they had to work that into the episode. She melted,
But were we rolling on that? Okay, we got that all right,
Cool, let's work that into the script because we don't have a voice actress
anymore. She just melted. Yeah, it turns out. As it turns
out, Beatrice was lying to whort and Gregg the whole time and was planning
to exchange whort and Gregg to Adelaide as servants in exchange for these magical pair
of scissors that when you went cutting off her wings and her family turned them
back into humans, which sounds scissors that make you not a bird? Yeah,
the water that makes the frogs gay, and the scissors that make you
not a bird. Of course. I love that those scissors are actual purchasable
embroidery scissors, like I used those on the project that I've brought. Yeah.
According to the art book, Amalia Lavari said, the pair of scissors
that turns birds back into people was one of my favorite visual elements from the
series. We were trying to think of Adelaide's character and an object that would
fit. I definitely pushed for Adelaide to exist in a world that was made
of textiles, Whoaly, yarn and thread. When we got to the part
about the specific object, I called up my mom because she taught me how
to knit and crochet. She sent me a pair of bird scissors. The
fact that they ended up in the series made me really happy. It was
my tribute to what my mom taught me, and to kind of combine potentially
this is a comforting figure versus potentially this is a scary figure. She's knitting
like a grandmother. But then there is yarn set to look like Spider webs
all over, so it's kind of half grandmother Spider, sort of a big
bad wolf sort of deal. She does whatever a Spider grandma can, of
course, Spider grand Spider grand Pat McHale said, in a kind of gravity
fallsy sort of way, we introduced Adelaide in the beginning of a series as
sort of a mcguffin, and then at some point we were getting close to
episode six and we paused and said, wait, what's Adelaide all about?
There were so many plot things to juggle. I haven't thought much about Adelaide's
actual design or personality. I thought, maybe she's spidery. Maybe she has
all these arms and she's always knitting, and her whole house is covered in
yarn webs that she uses to trap people. And yeah, pretty much,
that pretty much that's what happens real quick. While we're on the topic of
the art book, there's a fantastic design here where Adelaide has three hands in
the lower right corner, so kind of hand. Oh my god, she
is the ultimate. She is the ultimate Nintendo sixty four gamer. Oh right,
you're right. Pat mchal also said, at some point we discussed keeping
a flock of sheep at her house from which she gathered her rule, and
that version Adelaide told Beatrice she needed a child servant to tend her flock because
she couldn't go outside herself. Eventually, it's revealed that the sheep were actually
lost children who Adelaide magically transformed into sheep. Very Pinocchio, this would have
made her story clearer and provided a nice visual to boot, But I was
never able to figure out what to do with all those children turned sheep.
We couldn't just leave them as sheep, But we also couldn't suddenly introduce a
whole gang of new characters. We'll just do what Prodia did. Miss Lane
Tree can come along, Miss lang Tree and her Grila like no, but
Pinocchio just abandoned those kids. I feel if there were a bunch of little
lambs, maybe the school marm wouldn't approve of that. Shelby, No,
they turned back to kids, and then she hangs out with them. You
guys are gonna learn the clarinet now, no, which it followed her to
school one day, which was against the rules. No sheep at school,
Shelby, there are sheep in that classroom. She breaks the rules she breaks.
I'm wondering if there is like she's a rebel low key Zeniba vibes from
uh spirited away too with ye apparently wishes. They like expanded on the idea
of her looking kind of like Baba Yaga, like they mentioned earlier in the
art book, right, they have these sketches in the art book of her
with a scarf but without the heat. I feel like that would be so
cool, but like mostly because I am Russian and I know that Russian and
Grandma's are like very like associated here with the lots of colorful rags because like
in the Soviet times when the like excess wealth was like very rare, basically
the rugs were to display them on the walls, not even on the floor,
but on the walls as a sign of like wealth, and that would
be very in line with Adlaide's character kind of a bummer. They think kind
of sends a bit a bit boring. I'm just gonna say it incorporates more
like standard the American idea of a witch like as well, like on top
of the Bobba Yaga, I feel like they use the draping pattern that is
going to be like there's a draping pattern of the scarf that gets used in
a later character design, So I feel like that's probably why they changed the
profile of Adelaide so drastically, so that you don't mix those two characters up.
True. True, But yeah, no, the Adelaide part of this
episode is a little rushed. It's like they've been building up the hype around
Adelaide if you can pull. So it was a bit underwhelming. Yeah,
I really I like the design where she has the knitting needles coming out of
her bun. Oh. Yeah, that's very good. Charlie. You were
saying that the scissors that turn you back into a human when you cut your
wings off feels very like Brothers Grims. Yeah, I read with the last
job I had. I read the original Brother's Grim version of Hansol and Gretel,
which is about a witch luring someone into their house, except like in
the first three pages and then the rest is about something else and then there
were human They're probably are to use the other end. But yeah, there
are constant, just magical mcguffins. When they it feels like they just keep
running out of ideas and just coming up with a new story and there's a
lot of so the objects the Brothers Grim Tales are specifically like a compilation of
a bunch of different old ladies telling the same story. So it sounds to
me like they interviewed like five old ladies and details and put in every version
in Yeah, like like Chris Columbus writing the original draft of Indiana Jones too.
Yes, Yes, was her plan, Adelaide's plan of putting, you
know, replacing Whorton Gregg's brains with wool so they'll become her servants. It
feels very handsome and gretel, like there's two children, now they're mine,
I'm going to do creepy things to them. And exposure to a random element
making you melt is making Wizard of Oz, Yeah, for sure. Specifically
here it's the night air, which is interesting because like she alludes to the
fact that she is a servant of the beast, but like he lives outside.
How do you see him? She said that she hears him in her
head. I believe, yeah, new Phone, who did? And that's
what Adelaide said, New Phone. I like the detail that she is allergic
to the night air, so she covers herself in wool and is continually creating
things to keep her warm. I feel like that's a really interesting character.
And she also looks like she looks very sickly off the bat, like she
has like dark circles around her eyes and sunken cheekbones. Yes, so that
the late is week against the air. The Wicked Witch of the West is
weak against water. That means there has to be a witch that's weak against
dirt, and which is that are weak against fire, although those might just
be people. You are correct, that's a good punchline. I like that.
No, apparently they didn't burn people at the steak in Salem times.
That was the witch hunts in like England. They would just like throw people
in the water with a log, and Salem they were like, we're not
bar buried them because of course they were busy. So to burn someone to
the steak is a big to do. To just toss someone into the river,
it's like, all right, we're done with this person. Yeah,
to throw me in the water, No, don't throw me in the water.
I want to know. Hey, they're like, do you want to
talk about it over the Groden wadle? I want to Ella is still referencing
a joke from like thirty five. Yeah, it's a good joke. It
is a good it fits with this episode too, That's true. That's true.
There's a lot of singing animals, a lot of singing aquatic animals.
We could have had a third guest, but we could have had Liz come
in, just as George Washington. Oh my gosh. So yeah, the
episode kind of ends on a on a question mark because Beatrice opens the window
and kills Adelaide and then escapes, leaving the Scissors behind and Wharton Gregor just
kind of left to continue on their journey, and now they really don't know
how to get home because Adelaide was kind of their their one shot and that
turned out to be a whole lot of bologney. Did they try clicking their
heels together? I wish the Bea Trees had a moment of like decision before
that, but I guess it also made a very dramatic reveal that she was
trying to It's it's interesting train them. I yes, you have. I
feel like there's different I thought all about this a lot when it first aired,
like there's different ways they could have gone about it. They did it
this way where you don't you find out along with Wharton Greg, basically that
she was planning to betray them. There's also, in contrast, something like
Gallivant, which we are also doing a podcast about. In the first episode,
there was a character who was actually secretly working with the villain and is
planning on betraying the heroes for their own self preservation and to help their family.
And that's something that the audience know from the outset. And so there
the drama is when will the other characters find out, what will the emotional
fallout be, whereas here it's just the surprise of finding out. Yeah,
but everybody knows that surprise villains like at the time, it was not as
a Sandy Yeah, you're right, since since Beatrice was revealed to be betraying
them, every other animated property was like, oh, oh Whorton, Greg,
if only there was someone out there who loves good miss Yeah. I
think that if you turn a real bird into something else, you'd go crazy.
I thinks I if I took them and clipped an ostriches wing, would
there be a giant, tall, violent person just running around kicking people.
I love that idea, but also ostriches bones are much thicker. I can
I can believe you could cut bones of a tiny bird with with embroidery scissors.
I don't think. I think Ostrich, I believe that you could do
that, but I don't want to think about it. I don't want to
think about it. I love me there they are thinking about cutting tiny bird
bones with embroidery scissors. I don't know about you. I'm gonna tell your
chicken, look at these weird chickens. The chickens to be people, don't
you understand? I want the weird chickens to be weird people with like want
I want. I want a group of a dozen a dozen lesbian old women
living outside of my house. You're gonna go, yes, anyway, they
do like hanging out at the fire with you, So it's true. Just
be a little more clucking. If only they had a time for another episode,
I know. But now we just we don't know where Beatrice went,
and it's just back to classic work and Greg work and Greg one hundred years,
one hundred days. Yeah, so I looked to Bitrius age. It's
still not clear. It's only known that she's a teenager, but that also
might mean that she's like seventeen, it's also unknown for older age than words
were. I feel like she could be seventeen. There's no confirmation on it.
As how, we don't know how long she's been a bluebird. We
don't. That's true. How long have you been on Bluebird? As long
as I can remember? Eat your dirt. Any final thoughts in this episode
before we make for now. I do have those embroidery scissors, so we
can get any scissors next time. I secs and just go nuts, turning
every bird I see into a person. No, I need those from my
projects. You'll walk outside and the duck fond that is outside your parents house
will just have a bunch of naked people. Again. They also, yes,
I think so the giant man with tiny arms walking around. I like
the idea. I like your idea that the yeah, I like the idea
that the scale like stays the same depending on what kind of bird you have
human like, Well, it's not you need you need fabric scissors for something
bigger, so be it trees kind of try to sacrifice herself instead of words.
That's true, that's true, but they don't see. Yeah, it's
not completely like having a moment of truth. But she's trying. She's just
very she's very in denial. She's not true to herself. The more I
think about it, probably should have been its own episode. It would have
been a good episode, because I used to think it didn't. It's right,
Yeah, I used to think it was okay that it wasn't its own
episode. But the more I think about it, I'm like, ah,
that would have been That would have been great. Yeah, because they you
know, she does try to help them, but we're in great. All
they see is the betrayal. Yeah, like maybe if they're maybe maybe it
is intentional. I'm not really sure, because like if there were more time,
Beatrice could have like had more time to talk to as Late about being
her help instead, but like they walked in so such only they didn't even
have the time to expand on that either, because like she she was like
about to agree to that, I think because she did take out the scissors.
Yeah, at least Beatrice has like an excuse if for't and Greg confront
her, She's like, look, I wanted to explain to you, just
didn't have time. There weren't enough episode. Don't blame me, blame cartoon
network. We only had twelve minutes for three of them, and then they
escaped in another real world and egg David Zaslov's house I left shows about a
strange frog world where they escaped to a real world Amphibia. Oh yeah,
there's also one of those. Yep. Yeah, apparently you've been looking yourself
again frog Suss. Thank you for joining us in the unknown here today,
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