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It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuring
your host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker

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Mike Dorsey. All right, it
is Dearly Departed Podcast. It is episode

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thirty four, and I'm Mike Dorsey, I'm Scott Michaels. And if you're

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watching a video version, you know
what this is about already because Scott is

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wearing his Helter Skelter shirt, The
True Tour, the Helter Skelter Tour.

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We are going to be talking about
the original Helter Skelter, the Helter Skelter

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made for TV movie from nineteen seventy
six that was based off of Vincent Bugliosi's

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book of the same title. The
Helter Skelter Book one of the most famous

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true crime novels ever written. I
think it's still probably the number one ever

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sold, probably the most famous.
But yeah, yeah, all of those

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things. Yeah, So obviously this
is an area we love to talk about.

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We talked about it before because we
did our whole episode on Once upon

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a Time in Hollywood. Um,
and you know Scott and I. If

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you don't know, I'm sure you
do. We did the movie, the

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documentary The Six Degrees of Helter Skelter
on the Mansons, which, by the

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way, Buzzfeeds BuzzFeed readers ranked it
the fourth scariest documentary ever made scary interesting.

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Yes, you know that. You
know Brandon Brandon's music really really complimented

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that documentary so very much. And
uh yeah, so I can see where

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there's some really when we were going
at the Barker Ranch, it's right,

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people are really kind of chilled by
that. And uh yeah, yeah,

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well that's that's neat that it has
longevity, like and the walk up the

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Cello drive at night and the home
video footage and the crime scene photos.

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Yeah, um pretty. I remember
it was like early days of social media

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when that came out, and I
remember seeing a post by like a teenager

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saying that they were watched that basically
that they watched our movie is like the

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horror movie of the night to scare
each other with. Basically, it was

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really like what I used to do
with my friends when I was in high

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school. We would watch horror movies
to scare the girls. So and that's

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in ourselves them. It's funny how
people say, oh I watched it.

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I can I mean, I can't
watch a documentary more than once and I

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get and I get you know,
letters or as I say, notes from

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people saying I watch it, you
know, probably three times a month.

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I turned it on to go to
sleep too. Yeah, it's like that's

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really cool that it has a cult
following. Um, you have such a

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soothing voice, Scott that even when
you're talking about mass murder, it just

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puts people in the calm people to
sleep and puts people to sleep. Oh

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my god, it's so hot,
you need you need to do what's that?

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Uh? What's the sleeping apps?
The sleep app that helps you like

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go to sleep and like celebrities read
stories. I've never heard that one.

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The calm app that has like celebrities. Yeah, it's like calming music,

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but then it's like celebrities read stuff. Harry Styles has done it. Matthew

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McConaughey, Matthew McConaughey and Jake Jillan
Hall have all done like I've done this

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calm app readings. So we could
do the Scott Michael's one where you like

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read calming stories about death and you
don't murder. Reading is really difficult to

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do, you know it Really it's
hard to do when you're doing it because

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you anytime you stumble, you can't
repeat yourself, you can't go and or

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um every time you you know you
your mouth makes a whistle, noise or

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something, that's it. You got
to redo it. And eight I read.

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I listened to audio books never like
fourteen hours long. I can't imagine.

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And and a lot of times they
are narrated by like the author,

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and I'm like, God, that
must have taken so long. Because when

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you work with I've worked with professional
actors in the Vio booth and they're amazing,

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Like they one take, they will
nail it every time, one to

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two times, I mean, and
they could read an entire page and not

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mess up one time. And you're
like, how I can't get more than

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a two sentences out right. It's
it's hard work, and you're it's exhausting.

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It sounds so, you know,
but but when you're reading it,

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just reading for an hour, that
is really it's exhausting. It is.

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I'm not saying it's hard work as
in physical labor, but there is a

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physical toll and you're just doing these
I mean, I'm ready to pass out

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after we do our podcast. It
yeah, I mean, it's it's engaging

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it's fun, but it's it's it's
tiresome. You know. It takes a

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lot of audio. And you were
a radio DJ, but you used to

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be able to play songs. You
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minutes at a time, right,
and then here's the music for ten and

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news you know, but news was
nothing. Yeah, people screw up on

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the radio all the time, so
it doesn't ma but because it's throwaway,

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but yeah, fourteen hour memorializing a
fourteen hour story is really is really.

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So I'm doing one right now on
the on the Hertford Circus fire and oh

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that thing I had where all the
one hundred and sixty some people died in

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a fire and while they went to
see the circus, I mean is that's

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a mental story and they go crazy
about they're crazy in depth about the condition

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of the bodies and stuff. It's
been very very interesting, very very interesting.

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So we did the sixties of six
Degrees of Helter Skelter and Scott.

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You were a credited consultant on Tarantinos
Once upon a Time in Hollywood, which

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was also on this story, and
then you've contributed to at least one book

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on the Manson murders, right,
several I think you know they quoted me.

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Yeah, I was on I worked
on those that Aquarius show, that

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David Kovany Manson show. That one
that they did was there was a really

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good mini series, the The Myth
of Helter Skelter that was on reels a

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couple of years ago. It's like
four nights. Um. So you know

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this, this documentary has really given
you know, me longevity in that regard

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of a mansion. It's just it's
weird to become a person that is considered

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you know, some kind of uh
I don't even like the term expert,

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but you know what I mean,
a focal point where people come for information,

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and it's it's very odd to uh
to everything always goes there, like

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our our podcast always go there because
it's our interests. Um. But yeah,

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so I've been I've been lucky so
somewhat at least experts on the case,

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uh pay in one of us even
paid expert on the case with you,

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Scott. So Um. That's why
we wanted to dive into this,

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and of course it's always interested us. Um. But before we get into

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it, well, first of all, an announcement, we have moved our

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our location, our podcast home.
We were on pod being for the first

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like three and a half years.
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over to Spreaker, which is under
iHeartRadio. UM and they're a really great

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service and so now we will have
um some ads, but not not too

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many. We don't want to add
flood people with ads, but there will

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be a few ads, um,
like beginning and end and like in the

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middle, like at some point in
the middle there's there's an ad. So

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UM. So anyways, we're really
excited to be on Spreaker. Yeah.

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No, it's moving up and they
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you know, putting it in a
rotation, so it's neat that more people

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will be able to hear this.
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to us, so that's nice and
they were really helpful in helping us move

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over. So thank you Spreaker.
UM. We had some interesting before we

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get to hate mail, we have
some good mail. Yes tell me.

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Uh. First of all, on
Tissa, I think that's how you pronounced

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the name on our Patreon page,
wanted to know if we'd heard about Gwyn

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Shamblin and Joe Laura, who played
Tarzan at one point. Um they were

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married couple and she had this um. Some people referred to it as a

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cult um like it was like a
weight loss group or organization that was based

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on like the Bible lessons of the
Bible to help you would lose weight kind

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of and they die. Yes,
if you're going to be in a weight

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loss cult, I may as well
be that one, right, yeah,

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U soum sou So. They died
and her and her husband died tragically in

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a plane crash last year, a
private jet crash into a lake right after

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takeoff. And so there's an HBO
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documentary series maybe coming out about it, called The Way Down, which I

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think is what her book was called. UM, I'm really excited. Maybe

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it's out now, I don't know, but I'm really excited because when that

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story happened, was one of those
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the more you look at it,
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a story you know, in what
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people or is there something about the
crash itself that made it get weirder and

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weirder. It wasn't the crash itself. That was weird. It was like,

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oh, you know, they an
actor who played Tarzan died in a

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plane crash. That's okay, Well, that's kind of a celebrity. A

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celebrity dies in a plane crash.
That's weird its own, right, But

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they just the fact that then it
was like, oh, and his wife

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was this kind of had this kind
of cult thing going on with the weight

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loss, and there was a bunch
of church people that were on your church

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leaders in her group that were on
this flight that went down. It just

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was all just add an extra layer
of intrigue. Which Tarzan was he so

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he was actually it was Joe Laura
and he was Tarzan in the series Tarzan

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the Epic Adventures, which was in
the nineties for like a couple of years,

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okay or a year. It was
one season. He stars in for

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one season, So it's apparently it
was about the character of Tarzan in his

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early years, after his first exposure
to civilization, before his marriage to Jane.

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Oh think I'm married. I guess
they did. That's nice. Wow,

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that's interesting, Well because when you
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back to what I thought the Tarzan
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just ron Eli. We talked about
it on one of our one of our

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other podcasts of you know current one
of the Patreon ones with the current obituaries.

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But ron Eli was eight Tarzan who
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death by his son and um thirty
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homicide after he had fatally stabbed his
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him Holy cash. So that yeah, that was That was just nineteen twenty,

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nineteen October. I think we've uncovered
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uh, although I can't think of
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who else was Tarzan Wismuller, Wisemoeller. Then there was Buster krab I think

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it was Krabatar, and then Miles
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the in the eighties and the seventies
or eighties, and I'm sure there are

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many many more. But uh,
but yeah, that was that was something.

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But yeah, so plane crashed Tarzan
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the tip. So thanks for the
tip. Tissa. Sorry and I think

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that's how I pronounce your name,
but I'm sorry if I got it wrong.

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Douglass also sent us an email in
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of today's show. He said,
Um, he was about to start reading

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The Family by Ed Sanders and wanted
to ask if there's any other Manson related

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books to recommend. And I asked
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picture of like fifty books on your
bookshelf that are all man There's like two

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bookshelves. Yeah, but I would
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There was there's a lot of there's
a lot of books that focus on the

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theories. Yeah, and we know, like the race war thing was just

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a small part really of what was
going on. It was just what BOC

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used to prosecute the case. And
more power too. But I like the

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ones to give you more background on
the people themselves. And my friend Greg

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King, he wrote a book called
Sharon Tate and the Manson Murders and it's

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hard to get but it was really
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the depth about about the people.
I read that Jeff Um Jeff Gen Manson

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biography, and that was the one
where I when I read that, it

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was like, oh, I can
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up against him. From minute one. You know he was When I said

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it, I said, he was
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bad is a term I don't I
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you know, just wiping people away. But he had the odds stacked

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against him. Um and uh.
The Tom O'Neil book that everyone goes on

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about, the Chaos book, I
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and I lost interest. It was
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but I got really bored with his
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you feel like it was like he
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like that it was very all bashing
of bulio It's you know, I was

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exhausted by how he was really going
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it for me. That I was
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Okay, we know, we know
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what he did. And it concentrated
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it's like it's supposed to be about
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But I'll tell you I got some
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that changed the way I thought about
the crimes definitely as its fans like I

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see people talking about it. Yeah. Now the other books that are like

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the books that are written by the
people, The Texas Watson book Will You

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Die for Me? I like that
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of Satan, Child of God,
which kind of sucked, but her last

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version of it, called The Myth
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click in my head. The Myth
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You might even be able to download
that for free on her website.

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Missus La Bianca wrote a book,
the first missus La Bianca wrote a book

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about Leno la Bianca, which is
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it isn't that interesting of a guy. Tall Watkins, part of the

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family wrote a book with that New
Chicks Snake wrote a book. I didn't

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bother reading that one, The Squeaky
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There's so many books. There's so
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was the second one I ever read, and it was like the storybook version

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of Helter Skelter. So there's some
really good ones. The family by Ed

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Sanders, which was reissued as Sharon
Tate Something a couple of years ago.

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But I would say the Susan Atkins
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Tex Watson's book is a very interesting
book. Will You Die for Me?

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And I think you can download that
for free on his website too, his

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prison Ministry. So those what I
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Helter Skelter. And people, I
get so much crap for that for recommending

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that book, but people, people
are you know, people take Bugliosi to

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task for things he did in his
life, and they talk about this myth

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of Helter Skelter like the whole things
of myth, and the book Helter Skelter

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is the truth of the trial.
You could take that book and analyze everything

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that really happened. Now this other
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war, business, Okay, that's
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that's how we got the process action. But if you want to sit in

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the book like I did with a
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it happened at this address at this
time, and this is what they found,

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and this who was there, and
this is the this is the witness,

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and this is who heard the screens, and this is who and this

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is when the funerals were And it's
a technical book, a dissection of the

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of the crimes and the truth of
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defend him because he did what he
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it as sort of like Mamma Mia, you know, he took they took

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all these avas songs and rove it
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they could right to make sense out
of it. One of my favorite lines

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from the movie, and I'm gonna
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Skelter film, was um, he
basically bulios. He tells it's something an

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effect of he kind of rates the
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is like you Essentially, he's like, you keep looking for conventional explanations for

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a non conventional crime. Yeah,
for the crazy explanation. It's a crazy

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crime. Thought that was really great, Like, oh, it's a drug

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killing. It asked, it's just
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it's weirder than that. Yeah,
So it does. He can criticize

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a lot, but he did his
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Manson was innocent. Well a lot
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he had he didn't have technically blood
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but he did try to kill others, and he did participate in another

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son any any an, he tied
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there's you know, he was not
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said, you know, did he
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you know, but he made quite
clear what he wanted. You know

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what to do. You take this
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I mean, that's a fine line
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you know, basically, but uh
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said but mister Buliosi, I will. I have a lot of respect for

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him, and you know, as
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I met him several times. It's
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wife several times. She was very
nice to me, and and he got

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the job done. So yeah,
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is when they're at the they're talking
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having like a conference with the judge, and he he he corrects Manson's defense

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attorney. It's like it's Bugliosi,
the g as silent. Yeah. Yeah,

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and a lot of people don't.
We'll still do that. Yeah,

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sometimes say Bugliosi. So yeah,
I get it. I was laughing at

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myself, I think more than anything
else. Yeah. The haters call him

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the bug the pay well, they
actually did. The killers called them that

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too, the bug, so they
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call him bug bug. Yeah,
I get it. Yeah, Hey,

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it's bool, get it right.
Um. So anyways, thank you Douglas

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for recommend or for asking us that
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a nod to uh to another person
who watches or listens to us, Ron

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Powers. He's the guy that suggested
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and talk about them, and that's
what sort of this one up. So

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so Ron Powers, thanks for suggesting
this. Yeah, thank you Ron.

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Um. Okay, uh, did
you get any hate mail? Any good

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ones? Hate mail? You know, most of them are pretty pretty allowsy,

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but there are there was one about
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Gene Mansfield and the James Dean video
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some kind of tour guide expert,
yet you don't know whose cars those are

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in the most famous photo of James
Dean ever taken. How embarrassing you need

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to brush on your homework? Brush
up? You know, I don't know

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Bubba with Domini Beard, I don't
know. That was stupid. But what

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for you, Scott? Yeah,
you know, how dare you? How

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do you not be an expert?
And everything in the background of your your

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videos. But there's that one video
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the Jay Mansfield car, and I
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every inch of the interior of which
here for people who don't know, you

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own the car that Jane Mansfield died
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and I took video of the inside's
video know and also ever see anywhere else

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in the world you know this is
this is the car, and people,

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you know, criticize a lot of
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somebody wrote, I'm sure Mariska Hargete
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There are rules. I would be
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my videos. There are rules,
Mike, didn't you get there are rules?

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We break all of them. All
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the unspoken rule breakers. It's funny, it's funny. There's social norm Scott

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and so many people do you know
they really James Dean killed himself by traveling

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too fast. It's like, you
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But it's just it's just you can't
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the comment is so stupid. I
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Was it Joe Rogan or somebody like
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Why? Why do I want that
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myself to that? Yeah? It
does nothing but make you feel terrible and

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uh and it's true, it's true. Um, well, we don't feel

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terrible about our hate mail and when
it's creative. No no, oh,

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well I'll tell you this in a
second anyway. So that's it. The

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end, the end, the end, the end. Okay, hold on

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a second, I'm gonna pause for
a second. All right, So we

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get into the main feature. The
main feature, Helter Skelter is coming down.

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It's time for the main feature.
Here's a piece of trivia for you,

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Mike. Before we even start,
My birthday is on August eighteenth.

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Okay, so I'm gonna I'm turning
sixty in August eighteenth. Oh wow,

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I know right right. So I
share my birthday with Roman Polanski and Bent

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and Pouliosi. Wow, it's cool. That also means the Roman, Pilanski

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Bugliosi share a birthday, which on
its own was kind of wild. But

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yeah, top of that, Scott
Michael's the biggest Manson expert, I know,

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expert, expert expert. Yes,
it's just a fun bit of trivia,

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A fun bit of trivia. That's
amazing. It is weird, well,

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very weird. M So Helter Skelter
was a TV movie. There was

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over three hours long, and it
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nineteen seventy six. It aired on
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second of nineteen seventy six. As
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Bugliosi's The Prosecutor's Book. At the
time that it aired, it was the

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highest rated made for TV movie ever
that it ever aired. It pulled like

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a sixty percent share on its second
night, which is insane, and I

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think it was surpassed by Roots the
following year, but up to nineteen seventy

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six, it was the biggest TV
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for three Emmys for Music, Directing, and editing, and it focused it

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primarily on the investigation into the crimes
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was really interesting. M Yeah,
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it when the first when it aired. I mean, this is this is

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the movie that that kind of turned
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Steve rows Back, his Manson was
pretty pretty terrifying, and you know,

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just just those I know, I
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he does the crazy stare, you
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I noticed one time it was like
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showed him, you know, and
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those long gazes and those those terrifying
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I was a kid that when that
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out that Manson is going to be
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kid in Detroit and scared Manson was
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of my house, you know,
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creature. And I remember vividly being
there scene that one scene in the courtroom

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where he looks at Buliosi and his
watch stops and uh and that that was

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that was terrifying. Yeah, that
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like that whole thing at the end
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that after they were sentenced, you
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then they did the whole oh scary
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you know els role of course,
you know most of them have died

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or will die in prison. Manson
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Texas never getting out unlikely, and
and the other girls will get out.

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Clem's the only one connected to anything
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think that's clim is it. And
he's changed his name and yeah, because

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another one Bruce Davis just yeah,
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like the Pacific Northwest or northern California, and he plays music life. You

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can go see him, yeah,
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you can you can find the bar
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a time I thought was Wild.
He was in prison with Bouli or with

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um Bosle. They were in the
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recording recording of them playing music together. It's really actually interesting with Bosi's prison

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band Wild. Look it up.
It's really it's on like YouTube or streaming

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on somewhere, but I've heard it
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story about Manson. Okay, this is

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my friend Michael. Michael Channels is
the quote pen pal. You know,

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he's the one that's not battling.
But they're in court arguing over Manson's estate,

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you know, the intellectual property,
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Jason Freeman and Michael my friend,
are are you know going through this

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in court? And I think,
well, anyway, so Michael's visited Manson

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several times in prison. He's not
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attracted to the story and uh,
and became friends with them. It's it's

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a little complicated, but anyway,
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prison and uh, and he's uh, he was he was sitting in the

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room wherever it is that you you
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the table with Manson and I started, something came up and he mentioned something

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about I think it was Bobby Kennedy
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I think it was because Michael says, uh, that guy looks really familiar,

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and the Manson says, oh,
you might know him. He says,

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hey, sir, hand, come
on over here. No, Michael's

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like, yeah, so sir hands
or hand comes over and and you know

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it gets introduced to Michael by Charles
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story. So yeah, I'm actually
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him to talk for the Channel because
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Hanser Hand No no, no,
no, no, this is Michael.

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Is a trip Michael to meet him. I was shocked that I would ever

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be friends with him, but because
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I should know that. But after
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that, now that all that stress
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I could actually meet him and have
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I'm I'm interested to see this how
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other thing I wanted to touch on
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by it's Buliosi, basically his story, but it was written by Kurt Gentry.

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always like, who's Kurt Gentry?
You know, even I just this,

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I didn't even bother looking him up, you know, but he I guess

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he's just like a ghostwriter. And
for this book. And he wrote the

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true story of the U two spy
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and the Killer Mountains, the search
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he had. He had obviously a
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he I think Helter Skelter made him
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the movie too. And he died
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San Francisco. You have seventy six
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a prolific crime writer in his own
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wrote about the oj trial, He
wrote about um, you know Bush and

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the invasion of Iraq. He wrote
about the Kennedy Assassination, which is one

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of his Kennedy Assassination books, was
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Movie in twenty thirteen about you know, Parkland Memorial Hospital where Kennedy was taken

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when he was shot. U was
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into movies TV shows. That Kennedy
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that thing and no pictures, that's
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like sixteen hundred pages. It was. It was a long Did you read

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it? No? I go.
I flicked through, but he just basically

405
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:04.400
addressed every single conspiracy theory and stayed
with the Lee Harvey Oswald theory that's or

406
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.920
you know, however the prosecution or
it was never prosecuted, but you know,

407
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:12.759
stayed with the official Warren commission a
story. And he took every single

408
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.480
you know, conspiracy and just dissected
it. And so I did read some

409
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:19.960
of it, but I couldn't get
I couldn't. I'm at that hurt.

410
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:22.160
Well, And then I think what
he did, because it was so dang

411
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.559
long, was that he released like
a shorter version of the book later and

412
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:33.640
that's what got adapted into the Parkland
film nine years ago. So, um,

413
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.000
let's get into the film, let's
talk about it. Let's just let's

414
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.279
just have a chat. Let's chat. So I noticed, obviously they couldn't

415
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:47.839
film at the actual Spawn ranch because
the Spawn Ranch had burned down years before

416
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:49.480
they filmed this. Even though this
film, you know, was released in

417
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.440
seventy six, which is just seven
years after the murders, which means it

418
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.880
was filmed probably six years after the
murders. Uh, the Spawn movie ranch

419
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.279
where the Manson you know, hung
out and lived for a lot of this

420
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.279
had burned down in a wildfire in
nineteen seventy. So um, I don't

421
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:08.920
know where they filmed, what movie
ranchs they filmed that, but there's other

422
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.799
movie ranches all around southern California that
are like Spawn. So yeah, they

423
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.759
said it was. It was.
It may have been even the Paramount ranch

424
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:19.480
that they built it up, that
would make sense. I um. And

425
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.160
it was in the same neighborhood.
I mean, they did a really good

426
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.519
job of choosing locations, you know, they were really well to the Tate

427
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.680
House. I would I did a
dive and I couldn't find where that was.

428
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.079
The house of the use of the
Tate House when they said that the

429
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.519
newspaper reporters were retracing the steps of
the killers, you know, And they

430
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.119
said, well, turn left on
Alesion And I was looking at Alesion and

431
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.200
Beverly Hills. I can't find It's
not their Legion Park, isn't another part

432
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:49.039
of LA So I couldn't locate that
house. And I'm sure someone will probably

433
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.640
mention it in the comments at some
point, I hope so because I'd love

434
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.599
to see it. I'd love to
see the house. The one location it

435
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.319
was real that stood out to me
was the Lobianca House. Yeah, And

436
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.319
I thought that was impressive because they
actually not only did they film on the

437
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.039
street, but it looked like they
actually filmed on the property like all the

438
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.519
film house, like in drive the
house. They did go in the house.

439
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:14.000
They went through the kitchen into the
living room. I throwze it and

440
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.160
I went to the crime scene photos
and I look, I matched cabinets,

441
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:22.119
I matted doorways and they went in
the house. That was shocking to me.

442
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.880
So they so they got in that's
there. Well, you know,

443
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.559
when the video version of this,
i'll i'll, I'll put those photographs in

444
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.599
there, or you can add them
to wherever you can add them. But

445
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.640
I couldn't believe it inside. So
when they I know where line al at

446
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.759
Bianca's body was and where it was
positioned in the house, and they went

447
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.319
straight to it, there's a new
picture hanging where the old picture was and

448
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:48.160
as that was really sometime. So
a great uh. One of the things

449
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.680
I love about movies like this,
especially when it's a made for TV movie

450
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.559
and it's you know, the budgets
are lower. Um it there is more

451
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:59.279
of a documentary aspect of it.
Um you get more live views of real

452
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.839
La Street with regular people living their
lives. It's kind of a becomes a

453
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:07.119
snapshot of nineteen seventy five Los Angeles
in addition to it being you know,

454
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.279
a period piece about nineteen sixty nine
Los Angeles. So, um, I

455
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.799
don't know. I love watching it
just for those to see those little you

456
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.119
know, locations and streets pop up
like yeah, yeah they you know,

457
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.480
even when when the show the lab
Yanka is driving around with the with the

458
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:25.759
boat, you know they they stopped
at that corner where the library is and

459
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.240
Los feels and according to the book
Helter Skelter, the book, the news

460
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.559
stand was on the corner where the
Chevrons station is where they you know,

461
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.759
they bought the newspapers to mister missus
Labyanka on their way home to be murdered,

462
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.079
bought a newspaper and the headline was
Sharon Tate was killed. And they

463
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.519
always said it was in front of
that Chevron station, but as it was

464
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.680
illustrated in the document to this movie, it was on the other side of

465
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.960
the street where the library is now. So I'm at you know, they

466
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.920
did a pretty good job with you
know, going to straight locations, so

467
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.720
I'm sort of surprised by that.
But if it is in a different place,

468
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.119
why they said it was across from
the gas station. But then Bolosi

469
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.240
did get some facts really wrong in
the book. He got you know,

470
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.559
he fudged around with some of the
uh, some of the just you know,

471
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.720
their their nuances not necessarily important,
but there were there were some things

472
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:21.200
that were not not necessarily correct.
Do you remember any specific things that jump

473
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.680
out? Yeah, Well, Stephen
Weiss, who found the gun on the

474
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:29.400
hillside, who they changed his name, and they changed the name of that

475
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:30.960
character in the movie, which I
thought was to Quint. Yeah, Stephen

476
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.799
Quinn, and I interviewed him and
he, you know, he's like,

477
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.319
I never watched Dragnet because they said
the little boy who watched Dragnet, you

478
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.680
know, had made sure not to
watch put his fingerprints in. He goes,

479
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.720
I didn't know anything about fingerprints.
Where the Dragnet thing came from.

480
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:47.480
I don't know. Somebody taught me. My uncle taught me how to shoot

481
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.279
like a month before, and I
knew how to handle a gun, and

482
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.799
it wasn't you know, how to
handle a gun properly, and so it

483
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.599
wasn't anything about fingerprints or I didn't
even he said, I don't even know

484
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.880
where that came from. The kid
watched Dragnet. So there were certain things.

485
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.119
I'm not saying BULIOSI did it.
Probably Kurt Gentry did it to make

486
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.799
it sound more interesting, but that
is that is one thing that that was

487
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.799
wrong. Not not important, but
it's one of those pop culture references that

488
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.960
out that stuck with me. And
when I was able to ask the kid

489
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.680
himself, you know, he's like, no, that never happened, you

490
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.680
know. So when he found Texas
Watson's gun in his backyard that they've thrown

491
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.960
off the hill, yeah, having
no idea they'd thrown into someone's backyard.

492
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.920
Probably. He's not saying I knew
how to handle it like evidence. He's

493
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:31.440
just saying I knew how to safely
handle a gun by not without it,

494
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.519
you know, to make sure it
didn't go off right. You know.

495
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.480
I didn't walk around with my finger
on the trigger. That's that kind of

496
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.039
thing held, just handle it a
little bit like this. And it was

497
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:43.680
a gun in his hands. So
so yeah, and hen said the way

498
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.680
he laid it out, He's like, well, you know, there we

499
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:46.839
were on these hills all the time. You know, there was a hill

500
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:51.000
behind the house. They went up
to Beverly Glen, probably about fifty feet

501
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.039
up. And he says, we're
always scrambling those hills. There were toys

502
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.599
all over those hills, you know. And he says, but I found

503
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.440
the gun, is like, now
I knew. I knew it was the

504
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.519
real thing. I knew right away
it wasn't a fake gun. But then

505
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.640
he told me that when, you
know, because it was his dad that

506
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.880
made the calls of the police department
saying I think you have the gun,

507
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.039
and they hung up on him,
and he said that we threw in the

508
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.800
ocean. I think he said his
father told him and so it was his

509
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:22.440
father that really turned the gun in
in time September, first, three weeks

510
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.719
after the murders. They had it
up until December, I think before they

511
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:29.159
realized they actually had it in their
custody already. And when they were going

512
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.440
to make the movie, I guess
they asked Stephen Weiss's family, mother and

513
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:37.079
father to be in the movie,
and they didn't want to be in it,

514
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:42.239
so that their neighbors actually like two
doors down that played there the parents

515
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.679
in the movie, which made sense
because they filmed on location. They filmed

516
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.039
the real hillside, but the house
I was tring to match it up,

517
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.559
and I could tell that they were
in front of a house that was a

518
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.679
couple of doors down. So they
must have used the neighbor's house who were

519
00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:00.039
actors and that played mister and missus
White. Amazing. Yeah, and so

520
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.960
that's out their backyard that's in the
movie, but it is the same hillside,

521
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.840
just two houses down. I think
they may have shot the like they

522
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.000
might have shot some of it,
like the him handing over the gun to

523
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.239
the police officer, maybe in front
of their house. Yeah, but for

524
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.280
sure the neighbors were that were in
the movie. It was their house a

525
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.000
couple of doors down. That makes
sense now because I was trying to place

526
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.320
it by the Google Earthly the other
night, having been there with you.

527
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.519
It did jump out of him.
I was like, that looks very much

528
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.119
like the spot. Yeah. Yeah, because I could see a house in

529
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.840
the hill that was the real deal. So but it was an important piece

530
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:38.320
of evidence that they didn't even know
they had for months and uh and they

531
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.639
were publishing pictures of this gun saying
be on the lookout for this gun.

532
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.639
I mean like everyone in the country
was looking for this gun and they had

533
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.159
the police had it in their possession. I mean, it's it's in there

534
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.599
down the street from the murder scene. I don't understand, but you know,

535
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.360
that was one thing to surprised him, with Boogliosi being, you know,

536
00:35:54.519 --> 00:36:00.760
a being a prosecutor, obviously being
involved in law enforcement, highly critical

537
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.760
of the police. For sure.
There was no covering up of their which

538
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.480
is really interesting. Did initially because
of this, because of that stupid dragnet

539
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.000
thing. They made it sound like
the police were in Eppton that regard because

540
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:15.880
they say the police officer picked up
the gun put their hands all over it,

541
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:20.039
and not realizing how important it could
be. But it was really you

542
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.559
know, it's not that wasn't the
case. It wasn't because the kid was

543
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.000
so careful of of the finger fingerprints, you know, it wasn't that way,

544
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.679
although the police officer maybe should have
been more careful. But but yeah,

545
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.559
you're right they did. I mean, the bloody button on the intercom.

546
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:37.599
Hey there's blood on this and he
pushes the button anyway, you know,

547
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:45.360
that was hilarious. That was so
funny. Blood on this boop smear

548
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.280
my fingerprint in the middle of it. Sad, I wish it man.

549
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.440
Yeah, there were some really kind
of comical moments in this movie. And

550
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.400
we were talking about that house.
That house looked like it was a park

551
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.719
or something, didn't it. I
mean, when you really concentrate on the

552
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.800
tape house and that, you know, they showed the exterior when they're walking

553
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.679
around, it looks like this massive
park with a road in it and stuff

554
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.400
like that. So yeah, I
didn't really didn't. Really. I had

555
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.760
a hard time trying to place that
place. But but yeah, they did

556
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.920
a good job though, finding a
house of similar style, even if it

557
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.559
was a big, two story place, much bigger than the actual house,

558
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.119
it was still at least the right
look. And they're hard to find.

559
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:23.760
I mean, as you know from
Tarantino, having to find something like that,

560
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:29.559
very hard to find something that has
all the long driveway at the electric

561
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.880
gate, a house that looks that
way, you know. Tough, Yeah,

562
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.280
in the hills. Um speaking of
goofs, before we get into like

563
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.840
the actors and everybody in it,
they're at twenty about twenty three and a

564
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.960
half minutes into the movie. I
sent you this, Scott. There is

565
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:51.119
this the shot when the Mansons are
being arrested at Spawn Ranch. There's this

566
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.199
big long I think it starts off
as like a zoom and they're kind of

567
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.880
in tight and they pull way back
and they show every with the crowd of

568
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.199
people and police officers and Manson's in
the middle of it. And as they

569
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.920
finished, and as they're pulling back, I'm a big I can spot things

570
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.239
really easily in films, like when
a boom mic is in the shot,

571
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.000
or when there's lights or a crew
member or something, And as it's pulling

572
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.880
back, I just got a feeling, I'm like, we're gonna see something

573
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.159
we're not supposed to ensure enough.
When it was done pulling back on the

574
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:16.960
right side of the frame, there's
in full view. There was a crew

575
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.639
member with a big hole holding up
a big stand that has I think a

576
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.159
big light gel on it, and
he's kind of steadying it with his hands

577
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.360
while they do this shot. And
they clearly I don't know because they were

578
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.920
shooting in TV format, they just
thought, oh, well, this isn't

579
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.000
wide screen. He'll be out of
the shot, he'll be off the signs

580
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.800
not. It's very clear, very
clear. I'll put I'll put a screenshot

581
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.119
of it up. Yeah. It's
funny because I showed that to Troy.

582
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:40.800
I mean I saw it right in
Troy. It's like, I don't see

583
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.159
it. I said, no,
you see the guy. You can see

584
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.039
his arms and you can see his
hat. He's wearing a hat. And

585
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.079
he's like, yeah, I don't
see it. So it's your eye.

586
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.800
They caught it. And I'm looking
at it's like, no, you're absolutely

587
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.400
I can see it, but it's
easy to miss. You're probably the only

588
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.559
ones ever spotted it. I might
be. Yeah, yeah, I hope.

589
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.960
So, man. I love spotting
stuff like that. I see boom

590
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.800
mikes all the time now, boom
mikes and shots constantly the shadows. Yeah.

591
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.000
Yeah, one time I think it
was an episode of Suits. Maybe

592
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:08.320
there was like one of these walking
talk scenes what they called walking talk.

593
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:12.440
The actors were walking and talking,
and so the cameras moving through this lobby

594
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.559
and they pan camera coasts right past
in the background. I think it's like

595
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:21.519
the audio guys, like they're like
their little video village. It's like clear

596
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.400
learning. Right, there were two
guys sitting at it and the camera goes

597
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:29.039
right by them. It's like,
wow, not notice. Oh yeah.

598
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.719
The best blooper of all we talked
about this before was seeing seeing a Billy

599
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.400
Wilder in the reflection of Glorious Swanson's
glasses in Sunset Boulevard, you know,

600
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.880
seeing the crews sitting there filming,
which was a magical, a magical you

601
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.280
know, boo boo or what are
you calling blue? Right? It's cool?

602
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.599
So yeah, I love that.
But you're and with that movie,

603
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.320
it's so great. It's almost intentional. Yes, you know exactly. Yeah,

604
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.559
that was that was something else.
Um, all right, well,

605
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.400
do you want to get into the
people that ear in the movie being made?

606
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.320
The movie? So before we get
into the actors, I just wanted

607
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.920
to talk about the music really quick. So they their cover versions of Helder

608
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:13.119
Skelter of Pagys and Revolution. They
were covered by a band called Silverspoon.

609
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.039
And I was and I was trying
to find information on the band Silverspoon,

610
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.800
and there's so little and somebody,
somebody wrote, oh, they're like one

611
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:22.960
of the best, you know,
unknown bands of the sixties. And I

612
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.239
could I was like or the seventies. I couldn't. I couldn't figure it

613
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.320
out. But anyway, they was
Rick Green on drums, Michael Kennedy on

614
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.199
lead guitar and vocals on page Stephen
on bass, Joey Hamilton on vocals.

615
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.039
Uh. So, yeah, there
was this band called Silverspoon. Now the

616
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:43.599
incidental music. The score was done
by Billy Goldenberg, who worked on Alias

617
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:49.199
Smith and Jones. Colombo Duel played
against sam Ko jack in around the World

618
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.440
in eighty days, so he's got
he has quite a you know, they're

619
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:59.719
both a very you know, significant
career as a scoring movies. But it's

620
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.159
it's just kind of cool because that
there's another one with the crazy strings that

621
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.480
we you know, when when certain
things happen in the movie that are kind

622
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.880
of spooky, uh, you know, obviously scores very important, and Billy

623
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.679
Goldberg did a good job with that
well. And uh and Duel has another

624
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:22.719
great famous movie, Goof with reflection
crew reflection in it, that's very famous.

625
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:24.519
I think you mentioned that. Yeah, it's the I believe it's the

626
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:28.280
when the phone booth gets run over
when he's in the phone booth and then

627
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.880
he has to get out of it
because the truck smashes the phone booth.

628
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.679
I think there's a moment there where
you can see Spielberg. I think in

629
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.159
the reflection of the glass of the
phone booth. You know, thinking about

630
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.920
that, do you think that could
have been his sort of Hitchcock thing.

631
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:44.639
It could be. You know,
I definitely noticed it. He's a stickler

632
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.599
for details, so and he maybe
he just didn't notice it and they didn't

633
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:50.199
have another shot, and he's just
like, oh, nobody will care because

634
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.880
he was Maybe he knew Hitchcock,
didn't he Or he observed Hitchcock when he

635
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.920
snuck on an Universal lot something like
that, and I don't know. Yeah,

636
00:41:58.239 --> 00:41:59.880
it's something that I think he had
to. I think he tried to

637
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.719
meet Hitchcock or he's watching him film
something on Universal, and I know that

638
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.360
he was also he was a big
fan of Trufaux. Oh yeah, and

639
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:14.000
that's part of why Trufeau was in
Close Encounters of the third kind, which

640
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.559
we will be mentioning again in a
few minutes. Yes, yes, he

641
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.840
sayes. Um, so you want
to talk about the cast and crew,

642
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.920
Sure, I just really have cast
and director. Okay, But Tom Greise,

643
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:29.039
which is how you pronounce that.
Some people think it's Grease or grease,

644
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.719
it's Greys. Tom Gryse was the
director UM. And he had a

645
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.159
long, long, long career,
and unfortunately this was kind of the end

646
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.559
of his career, in the end
of his life. US. He started

647
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:44.599
out in television in the fifties and
UH and two won two Emmys, and

648
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:46.760
he did theatrical films and TV movies. He kind of bounced back and forth

649
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:52.639
between them and UH. He's probably
best known for the Charlton Heston western Will

650
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:58.639
Penny from nineteen sixty eight, which
which Tom Grys wrote and directed and h

651
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.400
and when Heston wanted to do it, they wanted to bring on a big

652
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:06.360
time director because Greys had basically only
done B movies up to this point.

653
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.239
And Grys pulled one of those great
moves that you hear about in you know,

654
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.800
Hollywood history a lot when a director
finally kind of breaks out. He

655
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:15.480
put his foot down and said,
no, I'm only doing this if I

656
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:21.239
directed. I'm not just going to
sell the screenplay. And Heston backed him,

657
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.360
and that got the movie made as
a result of that, and Heston

658
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:27.960
apparently called that movie will Penny his
favorite film that he was ever in.

659
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.159
He never regretted for a moment,
and he worked with Greys I think on

660
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.880
a couple more projects after that.
Okay, that was kind of interesting,

661
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.960
but yeah, Helter Skelter was the
second to last thing he ever directed.

662
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:44.519
How long did he live after that? He died the following year. He

663
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:51.840
died nine months almost exactly after Helter
Skelter aired on television. His last film,

664
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.920
which he didn't finish, was called
The Greatest. It was about Muhammad

665
00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.320
Ali, with Ali starring as himself, and he he died. They had

666
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.519
finished filming the movie about a month
before he died and they were in post

667
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.400
production audit and Grys had a heart
attack while playing tennis at a club in

668
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.039
the Pacific Palisades. Isn't that crazy? And I think it's interesting because one

669
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.159
of the early scenes in Helter Skelter
is of course Polanski's manager showing up at

670
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:20.159
the scene to identify the bodies,
and he's dressing the tennis outfit because that's

671
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.360
what he's doing. Yeah, and
grabbed him and that's how Grys died,

672
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.639
was playing tennis. He was only
fifty four years old when he died.

673
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:35.400
The woman who played Winnifred Chapman who
was builed only as the housekeeper, her

674
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.800
name was Dorothy Meyer, and she
was in Ali Are the Greatest as well,

675
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:44.360
no kidding, yeah, yeah,
which so so. And she's like

676
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:46.440
the first actress to really be in
the movie. I mean that was her

677
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.000
her. She was the opening and
when she's screaming murder, that was chilling

678
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.119
too. I remember that vividly when
that scene that for the first time was

679
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:59.800
you know, here her screaming after
she found the bodies, and and that's

680
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.719
you know, she she made her
career basically paying housekeepers and nurses. She

681
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.760
was a model for a while doing
uh like Maxwell House and Hallmark and and

682
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:13.159
things like that, and she did
a ton like a lot of these people.

683
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:14.800
I mean I looked up a lot
of these people and I was like,

684
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.280
Okay, Jefferson's one day at a
time, you know what I mean.

685
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:22.039
It was like they're all in Mannix, Colombo, Colleja, every almost

686
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.679
everyone was in level of these shows, and she was one who was in

687
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:28.840
a ton of them, the Jefferson, Sandford and signed different strokes Luke,

688
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.920
Grant, Starsky and Hutch. So
she did although so she was she did

689
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.719
a she you know, she was
a significant featured extra mostly. I think

690
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:42.639
she died in September twenty fourth,
nineteen eighty seven. She was sixty two

691
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.320
years old. So creative. Was
there some creative license taken with her?

692
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:51.400
When she gets dropped off by the
car? Didn't she walk up to the

693
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.360
house from the bus stop or did
she given a ride? No, you

694
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:58.039
know that's something that I It was
a she got dropped off at the bus

695
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.639
stop and then somebody saw her and
offered her a ride. Now I know

696
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.639
how far up she went, but
yeah, that's when we hit in six

697
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.519
degrees. That's another thing I'd like
to modify, because you learned more stuff

698
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.599
all the time. So I don't
know how far they made it up.

699
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:13.400
They just dropped her off at the
bottom of Cello, I don't know,

700
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.639
but she did. She was given
a lift you know, because that's that's

701
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:21.760
several that's a couple of miles from
the bus stop to the task. Yeah.

702
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.400
So yeah, um, so yeah
she was and Missus Chapman. Yeah,

703
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.320
there's somebody I want to know more
about. That's Missus Chapman. Yeah.

704
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.760
So, um, getting back to
The Greatest the All, the movie

705
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.199
that he made that he didn't finish, um while he was alive. The

706
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.400
song the Greatest Love of All was
written for that movie and was originally sung

707
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:45.480
by George Benson in the movie,
but then of course Whitney Houston covered it

708
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.599
and turned it into you know,
a classic that was in the in the

709
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.519
in the Greatest movie. Yes,
the Greatest Love of All song was written

710
00:46:53.559 --> 00:47:00.280
for the Greatest YEP, but it
was songs by George Benson. So so

711
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.719
the Greatest Love is referring to I
mean, it must have been written for

712
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.119
the songs for the movie. So
maybe was he married or something or was

713
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.920
it maybe I don't know, what's
I don't know, what's part of history

714
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.239
it covers. Maybe it's the love
of boxing, I don't know. Yeah.

715
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.320
Um. Another interesting thing that I
thought about about this, it's going

716
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:25.760
to blows in people's minds about Tom
Gryse is His son is actor John Gryse,

717
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:32.880
and John Gryse is most famous for
playing Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite.

718
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:38.280
Okay, and John Grys's first film
role as a child was as a child

719
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:45.400
actor in the Charlton Heston movie will
will Penny of his dad's movie and John

720
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:52.400
Grys plays William Garretson in Helter Skelter. Uncle Rico was William Garretson. He's

721
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:59.039
a skinny little guy too. That's
a great great I had no idea.

722
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.760
I was watching Uncle Rico when I
saw that William Garretson scenes in the beginning,

723
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:05.760
and he would have been, well, you know, I think he's

724
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.239
he would have been about eighteen nineteen
at that point and probably yeah, and

725
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:13.400
uh yeah, that was that.
I'll admit I found that too, and

726
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.159
I was like, oh my god, I didn't know that. I didn't

727
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.880
know the director association that one.
I didn't know, but that was but

728
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.480
that, yeah, that was a
that was a piece of trivia. That

729
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.159
was like holy shit. So yeah, Uncle Rico plays William Garretson in Helter

730
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:32.679
Skelter, and Clem Grogan is played
by an It was played by someone named

731
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:38.280
Steve Gryse, and I do know
that. When I found Tom Gruise's obituary,

732
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.159
they mentioned, you know, next
to Kenya who survived by and their

733
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.559
inner is a son named Stephen Gryse
in his obituary. So I think Clem

734
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:51.360
Grogan was another one of Tom Gryse's
sons, and that was his only IMDb

735
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.239
credit was playing Clem Grogan and Helter
Skelter. But yeah, I put his

736
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.840
kids in the movie. I thought
that was cool. It is cool I

737
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:02.280
do it. Yeah, I think
that's awesome. So yeah, So Tom

738
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.840
Gryse, the director died on January
third, nineteen seventy seven, almost exactly

739
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.519
nine months to the day after Helter
Skelter aired on television. He was only

740
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.440
fifty four years old. Dropped dead
from a heart attack and paramedics were unable

741
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.039
to save him and he was declared
dead at the hospital in Santa Monica.

742
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:24.400
M R. Great movie, Yeah, great movie. Yeah. I mean,

743
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.320
not a lot of really high profile
movies that he made, but he

744
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.639
made a lot of them, and
he did a lot of television work too,

745
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.519
So he's one of those kind of
journeyman type directors. I think.

746
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:42.679
Hm Um George Desnzo, who played
Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor, probably most

747
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.480
famous for playing Marty McFly's grandfather and
Back to the Future who hits him with

748
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:50.920
the car? And there's that funny
dinner scene when they're watching it was the

749
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.239
Honeymooners, I think, or what
are they watching on TV? And Marty

750
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:58.920
McFly says something makes a reference to
John F. Kennedy Boulevard or Parkway,

751
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.800
and this actor Georgezi Senzo goes,
who the hell is John F. Kennedy?

752
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.119
Oh, funny, it's it's it's
you know, nineteen fifty four or

753
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.960
five or whatever. Yeah, hilarious. He's another guy that you like.

754
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:15.239
We talked about Paul Sorvino in our
in our you know, Patreon sponsored sponsor

755
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:20.639
you know podcast that we just released. And he's another one that I expected

756
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.199
to see a list of credits a
thousand, you know, a thousand credits

757
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.800
because I recognize his face now it
must be sure in this movie because his

758
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.239
credits were you know, he was
in Close Encounters. That was probably gonna

759
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:37.159
come out. Um and uh,
the actress just three and eighteen again,

760
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.360
But that's not that significant, you
know, those are like amazing. I

761
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.719
mean, Close Encounters is a classic. Back to the Future, of course,

762
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.599
is a classic, but the rest
of them are kind of like throwaway

763
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.960
movies. Yeah, and Close Encounters
are the third kind. He it's a

764
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.960
bit part. He only has a
few lines. He I think his real

765
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.599
big scene, or maybe his only
scene is about a quarter of the way

766
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:59.519
in. There's a press conference that
they have, like the military and government

767
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:04.760
has to kind of debunk these all
these rumors that flying saucers are flying around

768
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.920
and um, he's the lieutenant,
like the military lieutenant there and he holds

769
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:12.079
up a picture of a flying saucer
and all the people that, oh,

770
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.000
that's what I saw. That's what
I saw, and he go and then

771
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.719
he pulls up this pewter metal plate
and says, it's you know, my

772
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.000
kids threw this up in the air
and I took a picture of it,

773
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.000
you know, like it's not you
know, it's nothing. That was kind

774
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:28.119
of his big moment in Close Encounters
Are kind, which was um, which

775
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:35.039
was a year after Helter Skelter.
Oh wasn't and then yeah and then he

776
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.559
um. So he looks a lot
the same in Close Encounters as he does

777
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:42.639
in Helter Skelter. He also was
the star of the nineties crime series Equal

778
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.800
Justice that ran for two seasons ninety
and ninety one, which also had a

779
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.639
young Sarah Jessica Parker in it before
she right before she blew up. Okay

780
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:58.519
Sarah. Um, But George Descinzo
died on August ninth, twenty ten.

781
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:04.320
He was seventy and it was Ppsis
Sepsis died on the anniversary of the crimes.

782
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.519
So the real Boulios outlived the fake
Boulios by five years. Mhm.

783
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:14.880
Um. Steve rails Back who plays
Charles Manson, and I think it was

784
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.840
the focus of a lot of the
um, you know, the the the

785
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:22.519
accolades that the show got was his
portrayal of of Manson was really creepy and

786
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:27.320
convincing. Um. He is still
alive and still working. Mostly he's done

787
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.840
B movies. Um, a lot
of you know, bit parts in some

788
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.360
TV shows like The Mentalist and Decker. Um. But that's kind of got

789
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.320
kind of got stuck in the B
movie world. Yeah. Yeah, but

790
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:43.679
Rob Zombie found him for the Devil's
Reach acts. Oh really yeah, Oh

791
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:47.320
I didn't know that. And he
was in The Hitcher too, But but

792
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:52.559
Helter Skelter was his is only his
third movie. You know, he was

793
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:54.800
he and he'll always be known for
that. I mean, I've met him

794
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.199
a couple of times with those autographs. Has it really you know, soft

795
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:04.199
spoken, nice guy? Yeah?
It just but and doesn't he It's funny

796
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.559
when this movie came out, when
we when I first started studying this movie

797
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.039
in depth or the case in depth, Um, I was not that his

798
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:14.039
character was kind of a hokey Manson, you know, and then the twenty

799
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.519
fourteen version of Helter Skelter came out, and I thought that guy had Manson's

800
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.679
mannerisms down. But then I'm watching
this again, It's like, now he

801
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.639
was He was really good. He
looked at and he acted it and uh,

802
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:28.320
maybe Manson was a little bit more. He played him solely seriously,

803
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.000
you know, solely seriously. And
Manson had had a wild sense of humor.

804
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:36.639
You know, he stick his tongue
out at people and Mike Mike Wise

805
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.639
cracks to the press. So you
know, he wasn't always that intense.

806
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:44.519
But but that's they were trying to, you know, the portrayal. That's

807
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:49.320
what they wanted from him. So
it was good, very good. Um.

808
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:53.000
Nancy Wolf, who played Susan Atkins, is also still alive and also

809
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.119
has done a kind of a lot
of you know, be movies, any

810
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.599
movies and stuff like that. I
really couldn't find much else about her,

811
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.039
right, I think, you know
what, I think. I looked her

812
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.920
up, and I think she has
her own website. Nancy Wolf was good,

813
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:08.639
you know, she was a really
she was. There was there were

814
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:15.119
some questionable performances in this movie.
You know that don't stand yes, But

815
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.599
Nancy Wolf, who played uh Susan
Atkins, I thought she was really good

816
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.239
at at being Susan Atkins and uh, and I looked her up. She's

817
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:27.960
got her own website, Nancy Wolf
actor dot com. But she was in

818
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.840
uh, The Ordeal of Patti Hurst, and she was in of course Barney,

819
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:37.960
Barney B. Jones, Baretta and
um and lots of lots of theater.

820
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.719
But uh, but yeah, so
she's still around and she's still acting.

821
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.480
But she was. She was very
very good I thought in this movie.

822
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.960
And uh, you know it was
questionable in this movie. I don't

823
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.079
know if we're going to get onto
that, well, we will eventually,

824
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:57.360
may as well do it now when
they showed her being arrested and having to

825
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:01.840
um, well going into prison into
the Simbil Brand when a woman's prison and

826
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:07.639
palling up to who they they was
was Ronnie Howard, who in reality was

827
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:12.000
Virginia Graham, who was the one
that she first spoke to and told the

828
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:15.400
whole thing about the story. Yeah. Yeah, Virginia was a friend who

829
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.519
just passed away. But she was
so Ronnie Howard. It's kind of complicated,

830
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.880
but Virginia did the story. But
she's not going to be a snitch.

831
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.599
So she tells her friend, Ronnie, you hook up with the Susan

832
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.360
Atkins woman and you get the story, and you can tell the story,

833
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.119
you get the rewards. And yeah, so she was, so would they

834
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:37.480
show her palling up to this woman
who's clearly a lesbian in prison who wants

835
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.880
to you know, He's like,
come on over here, honey, kind

836
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.480
of stuff like that. Yeah,
right, and then she goes and then

837
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.599
and then she says, and then
we killed those people and I and then

838
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.679
she like like I have to go
to sleep now. It was that abrupt

839
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:51.920
of me. It's like, you're
a sexy You're sexy, and then you

840
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:54.440
know, and then we kill those
people. I'm so tired and go to

841
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:59.840
sleep. But here's the fun bits. Her name with the actress who played

842
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.840
Annie Howard. Her name is Sandra
Blake, who was who was married and

843
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:08.480
had a son and daughter with Robert
Blake. What isn't that wild? So

844
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.239
yeah, she's another one Mannix.
You know, a show called Grown Ups

845
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.000
of Mice and Men. Not a
huge list of credits, but she was

846
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:20.320
married and had two kids with Robert
Blake. And wait, who was that?

847
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.400
It was married Sandra Blake who played
who played Ronnie Howard who was in

848
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:30.440
prison with Susan Anna jailhouse snitch.
Yes who They show her like, you

849
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:31.559
know, trying to be all discreet, I know who did it, but

850
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.960
she's you know, she didn't turn
to the wall and say I know.

851
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.719
She's like well. Also when she's
like walking, she's walking in the line

852
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:43.920
of girls and she hangs back and
starts talking to the correctional woman officer woman

853
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.400
right like right behind all these women
that are prisoners, Like, nobody can

854
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.360
see me talking to you. But
yeah, it's like if anybody looks over

855
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.000
their shoulder, they're gonna see you
talking to her right in the middle of

856
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.239
the hall, right ten feet behind
them. Yeah, they don't know how

857
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:59.119
prisons work, but they But was
so wild about this movie is they went

858
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.920
in prison, They went into the
halls of justice, they went into the

859
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:05.320
court Yeah, I think the actual
Do you know if that was actual sybil

860
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.519
Brand where they filmed that, I
don't know, but it looked like a

861
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:14.119
women's prison and it was not a
set that I'm positive of m And they

862
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:16.400
did go into city Hall, I
don't know, or into a yeah,

863
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:21.920
the federal building. I think it's
a vaable, but of justice, yeah,

864
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.559
And I don't know if they got
into the actual courtroom. It wouldn't

865
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:27.480
surprise me if they did. But
they got into a courtroom, they got

866
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.000
into the halls. I recognized the
halls and all that. You know,

867
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.559
that was that's legit. It was
in there, so you know they were

868
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:38.000
able to to do that, which
is interesting. So sibyl Brand, which

869
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:43.280
was the women's prison, um it
is no longer operates as a prison.

870
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.199
I think it was damaged during I
think the north Ridge earthquake. It was

871
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.800
severely damaged. I think it was
north Ridge, one of the earthquakes.

872
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:52.480
Severely damage. I think it was
north Ridge, and they just decided they

873
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.920
it was already so old to begin
with, and then with the damage they

874
00:57:54.920 --> 00:58:00.000
decided just not to repair it.
But it still exists and is used almost

875
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:06.639
entirely now as um a filming location, and they also use it for training

876
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:08.800
like police training and stuff. But
yeah, it's no longer operates as a

877
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.480
prison anymore, even though it still
exists. Yeah, and that's where all

878
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:17.480
the girls were taken. Leslie,
pat Crome, Winkol and Susan Ekins were

879
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.119
all taking the civil brand and uh
so that's I think that's why everyone knows

880
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.920
what it is. The same with
the California Men's Colony where they took text.

881
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:30.800
That's I think that's gone now that's
been Uh uh yeah, doesn't doesn't

882
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.880
exist anymore, probably for the same
reason. But uh yeah, okay.

883
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:40.840
Um Marilyn Burns who played Linda Kasabian, that was obviously a huge role,

884
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.880
and she is one of the few
actors in this film where this wasn't the

885
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:49.920
biggest thing they ever did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because she was

886
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:53.360
the lead role of Sally in the
Chest Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the original one.

887
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.679
She was the final girl who survives, you know at the end of

888
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.239
the movie. Um so she was, and that was a couple of years

889
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.480
before this was was came out,
so she was kind of you know,

890
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:06.760
they shied away mainly from kind of
recognizable actors. But then I thought was

891
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:08.039
interesting for that they got, you
know, by at the time, probably

892
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:13.920
one of the most famous horror movie
actors alive. Yeah, to play Lynda

893
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.679
Kasabian, who Lynda Kasabian was the
Manson girl who turned State State's witness and

894
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:21.639
testified against him. So it was
a meaty part and she had to really

895
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:27.480
be able to act um to do
it. And in Texas Chainsaw Massacre,

896
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:34.719
Yes, it was a meaty part. Yeah. No, well no literally,

897
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.400
yeah, but but I mean,
and this, this is this is

898
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.400
one of the and this this is
the one I considered. And I'm no

899
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.000
expert, I am not an actor. I couldn't do it, but this

900
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.280
is one that that I was kind
of like, that's borderline. I didn't

901
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:51.039
really an artic fan of it.
I didn't think I didn't think it was

902
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:54.320
very you know, convincing. She
has, uh, she appeared in two

903
00:59:54.320 --> 01:00:00.119
more Chainsaw Mascar sequels. She's a
She's appeared at horror conventions. She she

904
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.440
gave a great interview with a horror
website called The Terror Trap in two thousand

905
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.559
and four, and they talked about
making Helter Skelter. It was great.

906
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.360
It was a great interview. And
first of all, she said that none

907
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:14.960
of no actresses didn't want to audition
to be in this show because none of

908
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.880
them wanted to shave their heads.
So if the talk around Hollywood was no

909
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:21.760
actresses wanted to audition to be Manson
girls, because they're like, hell no,

910
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:23.920
I'm not shaving my hair off.
Um. And she says in the

911
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:28.480
end, they let the actresses wear
skull caps, which I find hard to

912
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.920
believe because it looked real. I
did. I did a real look at

913
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.480
that too, and I did.
They looked real to me. They did

914
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.400
a hell of a good job if
these are skull caps, because usually you

915
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:40.119
can tell, especially something with a
limited budget. But she says that in

916
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.639
order to get the part, they
had to say they would shave their heads,

917
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.800
like almost like it was a test, you know, Yeah, okay,

918
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.599
because that's why I was sort of
surprised, And she was like she

919
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.119
was stoked because Linda Kasabian was the
one who didn't yeah state witness um.

920
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:57.960
And then also she said, uh, and nobody really wanted to touch it

921
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.760
because of the subject matter. It
was kind of like, who wants to

922
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.039
be in that picture? Who's going
to do that picture? Kind of a

923
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.519
thing. It was because it was
so soon after this all happened. It

924
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:08.719
was just a few years after.
I think it was still kind of fresh.

925
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.519
I think some people were afraid to
do it. She said. They

926
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.559
asked her if she ever got to
meet the real Linda Kasabi, and she

927
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:20.039
said she wouldn't have wanted to even
if she could. Definitely has no love

928
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.480
for these girls, although she did
say that, you know, any actor,

929
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.880
you have to find some point of
entry for sympathy for the role you're

930
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.480
playing, to understand what they were
thinking. But yeah, you could tell

931
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.440
she didn't exactly have a high opinion
of the Manson girls. And she was

932
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:38.880
attacked by an extra on the set
really when she oh, here you go

933
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:43.280
Paramount Ranch, So there you go, she goes when I was at Paramount

934
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.639
Ranch and extra came up to me
and put her nails in my arm and

935
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:52.119
said, Linda wasn't there that day. So apparently a Manson, she assumed,

936
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.880
a Manson sympathizer or maybe even a
member of the family. Who knows.

937
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:58.519
You know, there's so many people
that coasted in and out of it.

938
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.079
Who knows, but yeah, someone
got on the set as an extra

939
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.239
and came up to her and dug
their nails into her arm and said,

940
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.239
Linda wasn't there that day. So
I thought that was kind of interesting,

941
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:12.039
very um. I mean, the
people had so much hate for Linda Kasabian

942
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.559
that they would go after the actress
playing her, you know, for you

943
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.199
know, for being she wasn't there
that day. What does that even mean?

944
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:20.760
I mean, that seemed that's maybe
they're trying to say she wasn't at

945
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.679
the murder scene. Yeah, and
that her testimony is non was you know,

946
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:28.760
made up? Maybe that's maybe that's
the implication. Yeah, I don't

947
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.760
know. Um. And then lastly
they asked about Bugliosi and he said,

948
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:35.159
yeah, yeah, he would come
down to the set, and she claims

949
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.079
that Bouliosi wanted them to reshoot the
ending, which I assume is maybe the

950
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:44.199
closing argument, because he didn't like
the actor's performance of him, and at

951
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.159
the end, Bouliosi supposedly said he
was much more that he was much more

952
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:52.239
dramatic than the portrayal. Bugliosi was
a much more dramatic person than how he

953
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.800
portrayaled. And he said, I'm
much more flamboyant than that than what the

954
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:58.800
guy did. So I don't know
if they actually did go and reshoot the

955
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.480
ending or if he also just wanted
them to. I mean, I wonder

956
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.639
if the ending by the ending,
wouldn't I wonder if they're talking about that

957
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.159
scene in the courtroom when Manson is
being you know, that ridiculous scene at

958
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.719
the end when lay Manson's being led
out the back of the court room and

959
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:15.199
a conversation. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, So so that might be it

960
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:20.360
because I I that some of that
some of that text is questionable too,

961
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.000
you know, where he's telling Vincent
how you respects him and or something to

962
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.079
that effect. I don't you know. And it was like, I'm not

963
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.440
I'm not on board with that one. It felt a little bit like like

964
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:35.320
Bouliosi's hoggiography of the moment, you
know kind of thing. Yeah, it's

965
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.559
about a little bity like how you
like it liked to have unfolded. Maybe

966
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:44.280
I don't know, took a little
creative license at the end. Um so

967
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.480
Nia Marilyn Burns, who played Linda
Kasabien, passed away on August fifth,

968
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:52.559
twenty fourteen. In her sleep.
No cause was given, and she was

969
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.880
sixty five. You mentioned that she
well, she said that who would want

970
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:58.920
to be? You know, people
said who want to be in that picture?

971
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.000
When I was reading the book,
this is a stupid, stupid story.

972
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:05.159
But when I was reading the book
about Helter Skelter, they said that

973
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:17.960
Rudolph Altabelli had who owned the house
on Yeah, represented Sally Kirkland was one

974
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.920
of his clients. Now he was
an agent, he was a right agent.

975
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:26.519
Yeah, Yeah. And I did
meet Sally Kirkland eventually and had this

976
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.519
conversation with her, and I think
she was annoyed with me because she kept

977
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:32.400
talking earlier alone and I couldn't hear
it fucking things she said. But but

978
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.800
anyway, as I see, this
is a dumb story. But for some

979
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:41.320
reason in my mind, I always
get Sally Kirkland or Sally Kellerman, that's

980
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.760
who it was that he represented.
I always get him screwed up Sally Kirkland,

981
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:48.760
Sally Kellerman. Sally Kirkland was the
actress who won or was nominated for

982
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.440
an Academy work for a movie called
Anna, and she using a whole bunch

983
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:55.599
of things the sting the way we
were but not not an a lister.

984
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:58.079
I used to see her at the
Silver Spoon like all the time. So

985
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.079
I finally got up the nervous So
did Rudolph Altabelli, you know, represent

986
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.440
you? And she said no.
I said, okay, well that's I

987
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.760
screwed up the names. And they
said, well, oh, because something

988
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.920
about Helter Skelter, And you know, I thought that he might have because

989
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.480
he owned the Tate House. She
goes, no, No, I wanted

990
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.280
to be in the movie. I
auditioned to be in one of the girls.

991
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.920
But I didn't make the audition.
I didn't get the job. And

992
01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:21.039
I'm thinking, well, there's a
thousand girls in this movie. How could

993
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:25.280
you not have gotten that job?
You know, you were nominated for an

994
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.239
Academy Award. It's like, if
you're an actor in Hollywood, you haven't

995
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:30.000
been in a Marble movie yet,
what are you doing? Yes, So,

996
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:34.880
Shelly Kirkland Keller dumb story. But
I was able to and I did

997
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:39.039
interview. We're off Alta Belli at
one point. We talked about that before,

998
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:44.360
but but it's just a funny aside
um. Well, and it's interesting

999
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.320
now when I think we talked about
this when we did the once upon a

1000
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.719
time in Hollywood episode, But that
was years ago. You and I have

1001
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.880
both spoken with Alta Belli before,
Oh did we? I don't remember us.

1002
01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:57.159
You spoke to him, um,
because we wanted him to be in

1003
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.119
in our movie when one of them
to be in the sixties of Helter Skelter,

1004
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.360
and you tracked him down first and
you called him. Yeah, and

1005
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:05.599
I've sent him a letter and he
called me back. Yeah, yeah,

1006
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:10.480
Okay. Do you remember how the
call went? Oh yeah, I remember

1007
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.440
exactly. Let me let's hear it. Well, he said, you know,

1008
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:15.480
he said, I said, Well, he says, I got your

1009
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.599
letter. I got your letter.
Yeah, you know, what do I

1010
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.360
want to be in your What do
I have being a documentary for? And

1011
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.639
I said, well, you know, well, you know you give some

1012
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:26.719
money for your time. All we
not to half hour. Just want to

1013
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:29.079
know your knowledge about the game.
I don't need your money. What do

1014
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:30.760
you I don't need your money.
This is what And they said, well,

1015
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.280
we wanted to talk about the house
and Terry Melcher. I said,

1016
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:36.159
how did you meet Terry Melcher?
He was driving on Bennett Canny with his

1017
01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:43.559
cock out. I mean that is
what he said to me. And I'm

1018
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:46.400
like, okay, so you know, it's already worth a phone call just

1019
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.679
for that little like anecdote. And
I did ask him because they said there

1020
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:54.199
was a rumor about him and William
Garretson, you know, Garretson possibly being

1021
01:06:54.239 --> 01:07:00.960
a you know a thing, you
know, yeah, like a waller,

1022
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:05.199
hustler, a hustler, you know, like Garretson was the people to don't

1023
01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:08.960
know. Garretson was the young man
who was staying in the guest house,

1024
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:13.199
which is where Rudy Altabelli sometimes also
stayed right when he right, Yeah,

1025
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.119
Rudy Altabelli picked him up hitchhiking and
offered and the job of staying in his

1026
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:19.000
house. So there's the story.
You know, there's a lot of guys

1027
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.360
did that back then. You know, it was the sixties, So I

1028
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:25.440
think that that was their their little
bit on the side possibly, But he

1029
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:27.599
got pissed off, I mean when
I brought that up. But I know

1030
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:31.960
that was gay, and I know
that stephen parent was probably gay, and

1031
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.239
uh and uh so yeah, that's
been one of the root that's been one

1032
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:40.360
of the stories. I know.
So um, stephen parents family has always

1033
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:43.119
denied it, and it's kind of
a I don't know if it's fringe or

1034
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:45.920
what, but that that that well, I mean, there is the thing.

1035
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:49.239
So Stephen Parent was the first person
killed. As the Manson's enters text,

1036
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:51.960
Watson and the girls entered the property. He was driving out and they

1037
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.679
walked up they shot him or the
last that's the story, or possibly some

1038
01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:59.400
people think the last. Yeah,
yeah, he tried to drive away and

1039
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.760
said I won't anybody or something like
that. Yeah. I mean, I

1040
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:03.840
don't know if we talked about that, but I mean, I want to

1041
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.719
go into this really quick. It's
a fascinating story. If he didn't,

1042
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:12.360
if it was in the O'Neill book, the Chaos book. And you know,

1043
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.360
the killers are the ones that say
that that Stephen Parent was the first

1044
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:17.720
victim. So you know, okay, there's the there's your witnesses, your

1045
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:20.199
reputable, your witnesses, they say, all the guy witnesses say he was

1046
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:24.199
the first. Well here's the scenario
that O'Neill put out, and it was

1047
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:28.640
a fascinating one. They're saying that
the murders were already taking place, voychecking

1048
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:31.239
Abigail Fould, You're already dead in
the front lawn. Stephen Parent was leaving

1049
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.479
the guest house, which was at
the far end of the property. All

1050
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:38.079
the way through all that stuff to
get up, he leaves the guesthouse.

1051
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.880
He gets to this part in front
of the house and he looks in and

1052
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:46.640
sees Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring being
murdered on the inside. So they say

1053
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:50.760
that he may have locked eyes with
Texa Watson, which is terrifying. And

1054
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:55.880
then he took off running towards his
car. So he starts his car,

1055
01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.199
and this is the theory. And
he would have had the run by two

1056
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:02.800
other bodies on the way out because
by then Abigail Folder and right, they

1057
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:08.479
were probably already dead. Yeah,
they're probably already dead, unless Texas already

1058
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.680
out in the front and you know
it was stabbing boycheck. I don't know.

1059
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:15.199
But so Parent runs to his car, gets in his car. Here's

1060
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.680
the theory now, and I believe
this to be true because the back of

1061
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:21.880
his car had had a dent in
it and from hitting the wooden fence,

1062
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:27.239
the fence had damage and so to
the back of his car. So and

1063
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.199
that's that's true. That's just a
fact. So my theory or his theory,

1064
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:33.159
which I agree with, is that
Parent got into his car, Tex

1065
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:39.079
is chasing him, accidentally puts his
car into reverse, then hits this thing.

1066
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:42.560
As he's going forward, Text comes
up to him and slashes him with

1067
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.600
the knife. Now, then he
gets his car into forward, gets all

1068
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.399
the way to the gate, and
that's when they stop him and he says,

1069
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.479
I won't say anything. Don't worry, I won't say anything, and

1070
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:56.560
they shoot him. So the theory
as it plays out with you know there's

1071
01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:00.800
like the killers are saying, is
that Stephen parent pulls up to the gate

1072
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.079
and says, I won't say anything. Text Watson slices him with the knife,

1073
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:09.000
then shoots him with the other hand. Nobody's ambidextrous like that. They

1074
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.800
condition something like that in a moment, so you canna stab him and then

1075
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.560
take his gun and put him in
his other hand. So it makes sense

1076
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:17.039
that it happened when the damage to
the back of his car, which exists,

1077
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:20.119
it did happen, that it was
all done in the heat of the

1078
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:23.800
moment. And what he was saying
was I won't say anything because I saw

1079
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:28.279
something. So um and Text Watson. In this scenario, Tex Watson has

1080
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.880
the knife in his hand, not
the gun, because he just helped stab

1081
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.640
a bunch of people to death.
Yeah, and comes out Stephen parent backs

1082
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:38.079
into the thing and wrecks the car. Text already has a knife in his

1083
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.199
hands. He walks up and slashes
his hand. But then he gets in

1084
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.720
the park and drives away and texts
like, shit, now I gotta shoot

1085
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.680
him. Yeah. So that's when
Tex switches over to the gun and runs

1086
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:47.640
up and shoots him with Yeah,
because otherwise, and the heat of the

1087
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.399
moment, he would have had to
hit him with a knife and shoot him,

1088
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:55.319
you know. And that doesn't and
and there's still really no explanation as

1089
01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:59.439
to why the fence was damage and
the damage is reflected on the back of

1090
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:03.560
his car. Yeah, it's not
something unless he just just by biggest coincidence

1091
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:08.399
ever. He just happened to as
he's quietly leaving the house before the murders

1092
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:11.279
happened, had a little fender bender
right before they came over the gate.

1093
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.880
Yeah. Yeah, which it seems
unlikely. Yeah, it was just the

1094
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:17.039
first time, it was like something
clicked. It was like, Wow,

1095
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:23.159
the evidence actually points to that.
The only one to disagree were the killers

1096
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:27.000
or the killers. Yeah, But
it also it doesn't make it logically,

1097
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:30.920
it makes more sense, because how
do you shoot somebody multiple times in the

1098
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.840
yard of a house and then sneak
into the house after that? Yeah,

1099
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:38.800
nobody heard the gunshots and was like
what the hell is that? Yeah,

1100
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:41.000
whenn't you at that point Be're like, grab, we just blew it.

1101
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:43.960
We're not We've lost the element of
surprise. We just may Yeah, I

1102
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:45.680
mean, I don't know, I
don't know how much drugs you're on.

1103
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:46.960
You're gonna know that, Like,
wait a minute, we're no longer sneaking.

1104
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.560
Yeah, no, yeah, exactly. I mean they couldn't possibly know,

1105
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:54.439
which is why I don't believe Manson
went back to the crime scene later

1106
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:57.159
on that night, because he didn't
know who heard the gun shots. He

1107
01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.039
didn't know who was going to be
up there, like he's going to come

1108
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:01.800
sneaking around a rear range bodies.
Mason was a Manton was a was a

1109
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:04.960
you know, he was he was
a coward. He didn't need everybody to

1110
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:08.439
do his dirty work. He didn't
want to do it. So Yeah,

1111
01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:13.520
but anyway, that that just was
real revelation. So we went off way

1112
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:15.760
off track on that one. But
all right, So so after you talked

1113
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:21.439
to alta Belly, Yeah, I
believe I wrote it down verbatim. It

1114
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:25.960
was very brief, but yeah,
yeah, I remember you called me afterwards

1115
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:30.199
and you were like, I don't
ever want to talk to him again because

1116
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:31.880
you're like because you're like because he's
gay, and he got he picked it

1117
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.800
up on me and he just started
being really you know, creepy. I

1118
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.800
guess yeah with you in some way, and you're like, I just don't

1119
01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:40.680
ever want to talk to him again. He's like, you can talk to

1120
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:44.159
him, I don't want to.
So I called him, Oh did you?

1121
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:45.640
Oh I did know that. Actually
I have no recollection of that.

1122
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.720
Yeah, So I called him.
And it's funny because my voice, my

1123
01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:51.880
impression of him as the same as
yours. He goes, he's what do

1124
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:55.199
you want? You know? And
I'm like, well, we want to.

1125
01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:57.079
We want to put you in you
know movie, We want to We'll

1126
01:12:57.119 --> 01:12:59.359
be a quick interview, just like
what you said. It's like thirty minutes.

1127
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:01.039
We just have a few questions.
And it's funny that he said he

1128
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:02.960
doesn't need money because the first thing
he says, well, what are you

1129
01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:06.439
paying? Oh? Yeah, that
was like geez, we have no money

1130
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:10.359
at all, Like we're making this
with zero money. And I was just

1131
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:14.319
like on the wheel. I was
just like a five hundred dollars Yeah,

1132
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:17.000
he goes, what am I going
to do with that? Yes, like

1133
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:20.159
I don't know, buy drugs.
I don't know what you're gonna do with

1134
01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:24.760
it. Oh And that was the
That was the end of the Yeah.

1135
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.319
I remember I was going to pay
it out of my own pocket. It

1136
01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:29.359
was gonna be worth it, you
know. Yeah, yeah, I've hundred

1137
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:30.359
bucks to get that. Sure.
I mean there's the whole a lot of

1138
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:32.359
money for me, especially back then. But yeah, I was like,

1139
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.399
I'll do it. Why am I
gonna do with that? I don't have

1140
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:43.680
five hundred dollars? Wow? Funny
the story of Rudy Altabelli. So that's

1141
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:46.399
why Rudy Altabelli isn't in the six
series of Helter Skelter because we couldn't figure

1142
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.239
out what he wanted for it.
He wanted money, he didn't want money.

1143
01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:53.640
He wanted too much money. I
don't know. You wanted a bit

1144
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.479
of a bit of fun maybe.
I mean, this is the guy that

1145
01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:00.600
sent a cleaning bill to Sharon Tate's
dad for the murder scenes. So it's

1146
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.520
true. He denied it, but
it's true I did ask him that that's

1147
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:06.760
right. I did ask him that
I remember that, and he didn't.

1148
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:11.479
He just said it's not true,
that's not true. But later on I

1149
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:14.479
got the actual bill, you know, or the article or something. It

1150
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.319
was the article in the paper that
was about the lawsuit that was filed,

1151
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:21.079
printed the bill or confirmed the bill
exists or yeah. Because he also sued

1152
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:26.479
over like a breach of the least
agreement, right because he said that Voytech

1153
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:30.479
and Abigail Folder were living in the
house and he wasn't notified as the landlord

1154
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.600
that there were extra tenants living there
or something like that. That's true.

1155
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.560
They had no business living there.
He rented the house to two people and

1156
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:41.840
those other two shouldn't have And he
did say something to the effect that one

1157
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:47.399
of those people may have encouraged that
type of element some it was worded as

1158
01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:50.159
such. Interest said, you know, it was probably you know, referring

1159
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:55.199
to Voytech encouraging you know, the
undesirables being up at the house because it

1160
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.960
wasn't going to be Sharon, you
know an Abigail Foulter was for her own

1161
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:01.359
you know. Voytech was the gunbag
you know that. Yeah, Well,

1162
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:04.560
votech was involved in drugs, and
that's where the whole drug theory came out,

1163
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:08.119
that it was a it was a
over a drug dad or something or

1164
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.279
just yeah, he was not a
good man, not a good many.

1165
01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:14.800
Christina Hart, who played Patricia Crenwinkle, one of the other manson Girls.

1166
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:19.960
UM. She's also still alive and
working and has guest starred in over forty

1167
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:25.520
TV shows. She was in t
three episodes of Happy Days and probably what

1168
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.119
you might but know her best from
from television is she played the Roper's hot

1169
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:33.880
niece on Threes Company, and that's
where the one where they the Ropers tell

1170
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:38.319
Jack that their nieces coming to visit
and they want her and they want mister

1171
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:40.800
Roper wants Jack to take her out
on a date or take her out and

1172
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.960
show her a good time or whatever, and Jack is just says no because

1173
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.000
he's kind of like, how how
hot could the Roper's niece be? Like,

1174
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:48.399
look at the look at the Ropers. And then she shows up and

1175
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:51.199
she's gorgeous, and of course then
he's like he totally wants to take her

1176
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:54.560
out. So that was the whole
setup for that show. But yeah,

1177
01:15:54.600 --> 01:16:00.439
she was the hot niece UM and
she UM teaches acting classes at the Hollywood

1178
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.800
Court Theater, or at least she
did until very recently. I assume she

1179
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:09.279
still does. But her daughters are
actually also very successful actresses their own right.

1180
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.880
Caitlyn and Porsche double Day, which
double Day was the name of her

1181
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.119
of the man that Christine Hart married. Um. Caitlin double Day has had

1182
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:21.720
big roles on Nashville and Empire,
like, you know, dozens of episodes

1183
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:26.680
roles Um and Porsche double Day,
the sister has played. Um. She

1184
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:30.720
played Angela Moss on Mister Robot,
which is another pretty big role. Um.

1185
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:32.680
Yeah, I mean she's another one. You know, Threes Company,

1186
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:36.079
Happy Days, Charlie's Angels, you
know, Yeah, it's all these guys.

1187
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:40.399
Yeah, all these people did that. The one thing that she did

1188
01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:43.800
that that I had to look it
up to because I've never heard of this

1189
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:47.439
before. She was in ten episodes
of the show of which only were ten

1190
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:54.159
episodes made of show called David Cassidy
Man Undercover. And it was it was

1191
01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:59.600
a David Cassidy show that he was
like this detective or I mean that that

1192
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.359
it was. It was a show. I know, I never heard of

1193
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:06.239
such a thing. It was the
premise that David Cassidy's playing himself but also

1194
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:11.239
playing an undercover agent. Well,
I know, I'd love to know.

1195
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.119
Yeah, it's like the most famous
teen idol on the planet, but also

1196
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:18.680
he's undercover. Oh it's out on
DVD, dude, can you believe that?

1197
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.880
In fact, when I was in
Fort Lauderdale recently, I had I

1198
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:27.760
had went to David Cassidy's house and
to film it for our to shoot video

1199
01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:32.119
of it for my cool for my
YouTube channel. He plays Officer Dan shay

1200
01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:39.880
Uh in this in this twenty something
officer under operates undercover in the Los Angeles

1201
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:43.199
youth scene. Oh, I bet
you there's some great like whiskey a Goo

1202
01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.720
goo shots and stuff like that.
Seventy eight, seventy nine. I should

1203
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:49.319
get that. That sounds interesting.
I love though that in the title they

1204
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:53.119
had to get his name in the
title, even though yeah, yeah,

1205
01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:56.720
that's not his character's name, and
Jack Cassidy was probably still alive at that

1206
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:00.279
No, Jack Assid was dead by
then, I think yea. By the

1207
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:08.399
way, I was watching that,
um the Colombo episode that Spielberg directed that

1208
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:11.840
Jack Cassidy is in. Have you
ever seen that? I don't know what

1209
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.520
it's one of the it's one of
the it's like the third episode of Columbo

1210
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.680
ever made. I think Spielberg directed. It was one of his earliest directing

1211
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:23.880
gigs. YEA. And what's wild
is it's this um. I think it's

1212
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:26.640
an author that gets murdered. So
at the beginning, we're in this author's

1213
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:30.079
like high rise office and he's typing
away on the typewriter and we're filming out

1214
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:34.720
the window of this I think it's
a convertible Rolls Royce coming down Sunset Boulevard

1215
01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:39.560
and coming past like you can say, I think the whiskey in the distance,

1216
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:42.600
and it's coming down Sunset and it
pulls in, so it's act the

1217
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:45.840
actual building. I mean they filmed
the real spot. And he pulls in

1218
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.359
a parks on the roof of the
parking garage next to this building that's on

1219
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:50.920
Sunset Boulevard, and Jack Cassidy gets
out of the car and he's got a

1220
01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:54.199
gun. You know, he's the
killer. He's going to go into the

1221
01:18:54.199 --> 01:19:00.039
building. What's wild is you can
see from this viewpoint into Hollywood where Jack

1222
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.560
Cassie's apartment that he died in is. It's out there somewhere. I mean,

1223
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:05.960
like i've you really studied it,
you could probably see it, but

1224
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:12.319
it's definitely out there in the shot. Oh, because his is just off

1225
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:15.199
of sunset on a near fountain in
King's Road. Yeah, you know,

1226
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:16.840
a block off and you I mean
it's the camera's looking in that direction.

1227
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:19.600
So it's definitely there. In that
sea of trees and apartment buildings in the

1228
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:27.079
distance is Jack Cassidy's death site.
That's interesting. That's interesting. Wow.

1229
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:30.720
You know that's reminiscent of that Anton
Yelchin movie, you know, or he

1230
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.000
just filmed it at Hollywood Forever and
they show him walking down the street in

1231
01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:36.840
his own grave is in the background
where he's going to be buried. It's

1232
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:43.079
like crazy, How bizarre is that? But yeah, so um so so

1233
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.760
Christina Hart, she said she's still
alive. Yeah. Yeah. It teaches

1234
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:51.239
acting nice. She taught out.
I was teaching acting with her husband,

1235
01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:54.520
who was also an actor, but
he passed away a few years ago,

1236
01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:59.119
and I think she's still doing it
and still I think still doing some acting.

1237
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:03.279
Also in addition to an acting teacher, um Kathy Payne, who played

1238
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:09.199
uh Leslie van Holton. I thought
she was terrifying. Yes, I agree,

1239
01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:12.399
he was good. She was really
good. And I don't know if

1240
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:16.960
Leslie was that terrifying, you know, really seriously, she freaking had the

1241
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:23.760
psychotic stare down like down and the
delivery and she's still alive by Kathy Payne

1242
01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:27.119
is um. She hasn't had any
IMDb crowds at least since ninety one.

1243
01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:30.760
She I think she she retired from
acting and went into the financial world.

1244
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.600
Uh now, because it's too bad
because she was freaking she was the scariest,

1245
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:39.199
but she was scarier than Manson,
I thought, Yeah, and what

1246
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:43.880
was It was fascinating to watch that
whole courtroom because just the way it was

1247
01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:48.279
demonstrated in this short movie is how
exhausting they were, you know, always

1248
01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:51.479
screaming, getting up and screaming and
having to be shoved out and you know,

1249
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.720
just like every you know, and
the counteract that that attorney, you

1250
01:20:56.720 --> 01:21:00.800
know, he really was that obnoxious, objecting everything to interrupt every sentence.

1251
01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:05.079
Yeah, and those but those girls
and you know, that screaming and it

1252
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:11.960
was you just know that that jury
must have been so tired at the end.

1253
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:15.279
Towards the end they taught they were
they referenced the part Bouliosium, one

1254
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:18.720
of his other like co prosecutors or
whatever on it. They mentioned, I'm,

1255
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:23.760
you know, finding the body of
Manson's lawyer. Yes, was that

1256
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:27.039
That's not the same guy that was
that played his that was his lawyer in

1257
01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:33.520
the throughout the whole trial that kept
objecting, right, No, Ronald Hughes

1258
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:38.199
was the guy who actually got along
with But he was kind of a slob

1259
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:41.359
and he lived in his mother's garage
or whatever, and OK. Yeah,

1260
01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:44.479
and he's the one if they found
dead. So they changed some of the

1261
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:47.520
names in the movie. So I
missed the part in the movie where they

1262
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:50.239
talked about him being missing in the
first place. So I didn't know where

1263
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:53.560
that. I didn't understand who they
were. I know who they're talking about

1264
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:55.960
in real life. I didn't understand
if it was a character we had seen

1265
01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:58.439
in the film at some point it
was that guy. Well, he was

1266
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:02.000
the big guy who was talking of
Bouliosi and was kicked out for swearing and

1267
01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:06.359
he said he and he apologized to
Buliosi for for swearing in the courtroom when

1268
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:10.199
when the judge you know, got
him for contempt. So he was a

1269
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:13.600
friendly guy when you know, I
was working on the on the defense.

1270
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:16.560
Yeah, for mansion, And uh, what are your thoughts on he was?

1271
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.439
I mean, his whole disappearance,
in him being found wedges between a

1272
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:24.520
boulder or something like that, what
was the whole story with him? He

1273
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:27.359
was a yeah, I think it
was a flash flood that happened or something,

1274
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:29.800
but he was he was he like
an avid hiker or something. And

1275
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:32.720
yeah, maybe I didn't know much
enough of it to be to think of

1276
01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:36.920
it very mysteriously, you know,
I didn't think. I mean, of

1277
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:41.239
course it looks good. And of
course when it happened, the girls are

1278
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:44.680
going CEC Charlie did it from in
prison, you know, so so everything

1279
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:47.680
got sort of was so blurry with
fact and fiction back then, but it

1280
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.920
did. I mean, And also
I think BULIOSI played it up too,

1281
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:56.640
But I don't think it was ever
ruled, you know, a murder or

1282
01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:59.640
a questionable. Yeah. And I
don't think he was found with a rock

1283
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:01.399
on top of his head either,
I don't. I don't think that's true.

1284
01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:04.680
I thought he was just like wedged
between a rock, which is what

1285
01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:09.560
happens when you get caught up in
a current. You usually get wedged into

1286
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:12.800
some trees or debris or rocks and
stop. That's where they find you in

1287
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:14.960
the way. So it was a
coincidence. And I don't know if they

1288
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.159
were trying to use that to make
it a mistrial or I don't remember they

1289
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:21.760
were trying to throw that case out
forever. But contract was the obnoxious one.

1290
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:26.359
He died not that long ago.
Who they based that that attorney on.

1291
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.600
I forget who they call what they
called him in in the movie,

1292
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:33.199
but they changed his name. Well
there you go. Why why would they

1293
01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:35.920
Why would they do I wonder why
they did it? They protect his family

1294
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:41.279
or you know, probably to yeah, for any kind of litigation. Maybe

1295
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:45.000
they just didn't want to didn't wanna
The names were changed to protect the innocent.

1296
01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:48.520
I guess they can't because they portrayed
him to be an obnoxious jerk,

1297
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:54.479
which he was. Um So Cathy
Payne, who played Leslie van Houghton um

1298
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:59.199
she was also before she retired,
she was in a disaster movie, Avalanche,

1299
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.479
which was just two years later,
which was Rock Hudson and Mia Farrow

1300
01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:06.880
and Robert Forrester. And I remember
that movie being on TV once and I

1301
01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:10.239
walked into the room and when I
was a kid, my mom was watching

1302
01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:14.199
it and it was like I was
the part where the avalanche is about to

1303
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:15.520
happen. So it was a scary
thing to watch. And my mom was

1304
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:17.560
said something. She turned out,
Sima, she goes, don't watch this.

1305
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:21.680
I said, Okay, she goes
a bad movie. It's a terrible

1306
01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:25.960
movie, but I'm watching it.
Put it bad thought. That was really

1307
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:30.560
funny. I don't know what her
role she had in Avalanche, but I

1308
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:34.039
hope she made it. Oh do
you know what I just realized. Um,

1309
01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:39.960
So we had this event in Dearly
Departed Tours. Um. I forget

1310
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:44.199
when it was. It wasn't It
was well while we were still open,

1311
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:47.920
so it was about three years ago
probably, And three of the women who

1312
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:50.880
were in the Health of Skelter movie
didn't appearance at the shop. I just

1313
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:54.760
I forgot all about this to you
there that's a day. And one of

1314
01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:59.880
them was Christina hard who played who
played Pictards your Cranlinkle, Barbara Mallory who

1315
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:04.119
played Squeaky, and Eileen Dietz who
was an unnamed girl. She had I

1316
01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:09.279
think a line in the movie.
But Aileen Dietz was fascinating. Eileen Dietz

1317
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:14.279
is the Exorcist. Is the demon
in the Exorcist with the with the crazy

1318
01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:17.359
face that shows up in all those
bizarre scenes. And Eileen Deets was one

1319
01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:21.920
of the voices of the demon,
you know, the Mercedes McCambridge gets the

1320
01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:25.720
credit, but I Ailean Dietz was
part of that too. She was in

1321
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:29.760
Halloween too, She was in the
Freeway Killer. She was on General Hospital,

1322
01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:31.800
which is how I knew her.
But yeah, she was the demon

1323
01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:36.119
in the Exorcist when they show the
physical demon, not Linda Blair, but

1324
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:42.119
her face, Eileen Deets. And
she was one of the girls Christina Hert.

1325
01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.800
We talked about her already. But
Barbara Mallory, who was also played

1326
01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:49.039
Squeaky, she was in the movie
Airplane. She was in The Bradies,

1327
01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:55.880
the movie the show The Bradies and
the Rescue from Gilligan's Island. So when

1328
01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:57.960
I got to talk to her,
she goes, well, we know somebody

1329
01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:01.479
in common, and I said,
well, well the still I'll just tell

1330
01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:08.119
you what it is. So her
son was was Elliot Schwartz who worked on

1331
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:15.439
Death Trip. No kidding, So
her Schwartz Sherwood Schwartz's grandson, right.

1332
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:20.560
So so Barbara Mallory, who plays
Squeaky, was married is married to uh

1333
01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:27.319
to Lloyd Schwartz, who is Sherwood
Schwartz's son, and Elliot Swartz, who

1334
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:31.640
we worked with on Hollywood Death Trip
for E the E Network. Was she

1335
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:33.760
goes, oh, yeah, well
you know my son, and he said

1336
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:36.000
no, and I'm like, oh
yeah, that was weird. So so

1337
01:26:36.039 --> 01:26:40.960
there was a six degrees of Helter
Skelter quit literally in our lives with with

1338
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.640
Elliott Schwartz. That's awesome. Um, all right, Well, Uh,

1339
01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:49.359
the actor that played text Watson not
much to speak of because this was his

1340
01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:54.399
only credit and Texts really didn't have
much of a role in the in the

1341
01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:56.439
movie. In this movie, I
don't even think he had a line.

1342
01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:59.560
Did he did? He kind of
appears I don't be on the line,

1343
01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:00.800
but they showed him when they're talking
about him. Kind of a deal like

1344
01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:04.399
re enactment, you know. Yeah. Um, but it was played by

1345
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:09.439
an actor named Bill Durkin. This
is only credit that I could find on

1346
01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:13.720
IMDb. Um, there's another Bill
Durkin who has who was an executive producer

1347
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:16.199
on The Coen Brothers Barton Fink.
But I don't think that's this guy.

1348
01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:24.520
I think he was. He It
stood out that uh that he looked about

1349
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.960
twenty years older than the others.
You know, he had he definitely had

1350
01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:30.560
a wolfman vibe, you know when
he when they show him looking at the

1351
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:36.560
camera, he was looking very Wolfman. But uh but yeah, um so

1352
01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:45.039
al Checo che Checo or Checho c
h e Cco. He played Leno Lobianca.

1353
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:46.399
I think it's al Checo, but
I could be wrong, could be

1354
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:53.560
Checho Checho. Anyways, he has
a quite a heartwarming story actually for playing

1355
01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:57.680
such a tragic character. He had
ninety nine acting credits. Another one of

1356
01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:00.880
these guys that was in everything.
Yeah, all you know, bit parts,

1357
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:04.159
supporting parts stuff. It's possible that
he Probably the most famous thing he

1358
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:10.279
did was he was during World War
Two. He was partnered up with Don

1359
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:15.359
Knots as a comedy duo to entertain
the troops, and that did, like

1360
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:18.479
they did hundreds and hundreds of live
shows together for the troops during World War

1361
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:21.680
two. Al Originally, I mean
he was a fighting age. Originally he

1362
01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:25.520
was an engineering unit. He was
you know, going to be in battle

1363
01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:28.359
or you know, be out there
in it. But then it turned out

1364
01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:30.760
he was also an exceptional great performer
and singer, and so they ended up

1365
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:33.720
saying no, we're going to use
you to entertain instead, and he teamed

1366
01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:39.079
up with don Knots, and so
he ended up having uncredited roles in at

1367
01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:42.680
least three don Knots movies in the
sixties, The Incredible Mister Limpett, The

1368
01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.960
Ghost and Mister Chicken, and The
Reluctant Astronaut. Yeah, he made appearances

1369
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.279
in which I'm sure is because of
that. And supposedly he had an autographed

1370
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:53.680
headshot of don Knots in his house
that said me, our paths continue to

1371
01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:57.159
cross nice, which I think is
really nice. Yeah. I didn't even

1372
01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:00.600
know that don Knots did those types
of things. Oh it did, like

1373
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:04.359
the World War two stuff. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I

1374
01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:08.000
don't know. I did not know
that. But he only played as I

1375
01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:10.000
thought, he only played a fish
on World War Two. I didn't know

1376
01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:13.439
he actually was in World War Two. Well, there's another Don Nuts connection

1377
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:15.159
in this. If I can be
so bold as to move on from this

1378
01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:17.840
man, if you're not done with
him, I'm almost done with him.

1379
01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:23.159
Okay, Oh wait, there's one
more story with him that I wanted to

1380
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:28.520
mention. And so his wife died
of polio in nineteen fifty five. Wow,

1381
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:30.479
And she was just twenty eight years
old. She was on She was

1382
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:34.560
also an actress. She was on
she was touring with I Think Oklahoma over

1383
01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:39.359
in Europe, the Oklahoma Musical in
Europe, and she died from polio.

1384
01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:43.640
He said that she was about to
break out big when she died, and

1385
01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:45.800
he was so devastating. They had
only been married for two years when she

1386
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:50.079
died. But then he never remarried. And in two thousand and six,

1387
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:56.479
when he was eighty four, he
donated his house in Coldwater Canyon two Providence

1388
01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:02.279
Saint Joseph Medical Center in Burbank,
where they acute rehabilitation department was renamed after

1389
01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:06.079
him and his late wife, Jean
Bradley. Wow. And but as part

1390
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:09.560
of the deal, he was able
to live in the house until he died

1391
01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:14.520
and then it went to the hospital. I just thought that was really touching.

1392
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:16.680
He ended up living up living to
be ninety three. He passed away

1393
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:19.479
on July nineteen, twenty fifteen,
ninety three years old. He died of

1394
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:24.439
natural causes. But yeah, he
never remarried. I guess never had and

1395
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.439
had no next of ken, so
he donated the house to the hospital.

1396
01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:30.560
It was a hospital that had helped
him with a lot of his health issues

1397
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.399
too. An old age. That's
very interesting. Yeah, he donated in

1398
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:36.119
honor of him and his wife,
who passed away when she was only twenty

1399
01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:42.399
eight. That's something. Yeah,
that's very interesting, sad, sad story.

1400
01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:46.319
I don't I'm trying to put this
together in my head. Can you

1401
01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:50.359
die suddenly of polio if you're on
tour with Oklahoma? That is the part

1402
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:55.600
I didn't quite understand. Okay,
I don't see polio as being a sudden

1403
01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:58.439
thing that hits you when you're and
you're dead, but yeah, I don't

1404
01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:02.039
know when you're performing in a musical. Yeah, So it just really thought.

1405
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:04.760
I just thought, I'm sure we'll
hear. I'm sure we will hear.

1406
01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:11.239
But uh but yeah, that's no, I didn't know. It's it's

1407
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:15.359
so funny how um these people that
are you know, just bit parts literally

1408
01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:17.399
an extra basically with two lines or
something, you know, but they have

1409
01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:21.119
these such interesting stories. And yeah, he's in nine he had ninety nine

1410
01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:24.239
roles. He was in one of
those guys that was in everything, just

1411
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:26.640
like some of these other actors,
you know. So they yes, they

1412
01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:29.479
were small supporting parts where he might
only have one line or no lines.

1413
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:32.479
But you know, in The Incredible
Mister Limpet he played an uncredited sailor.

1414
01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:36.479
So oh funny. Well, I
guess don brought him along, didn't he.

1415
01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:41.119
Yeah, really nice nuts to do
that too for his old scene partner.

1416
01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:45.239
Yeah. So the don Knots connection
that I wanted to bring up was

1417
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:49.800
that the actor who played the Judge
Judge Older his name is Skill Homier or

1418
01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:58.159
skip Home Homier Homier has his name
Homie, Yeah Homier or Homier Homier Homier.

1419
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.439
He uh, he played He played
a lot of Nazis. He did

1420
01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:04.439
always like one of his one of
his things. He was in a couple

1421
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:10.640
of episodes of Star Trek which people
remember as the Nazi like character and uh.

1422
01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:15.119
And he was in um yeah,
I played the doctor Bacteria carrying doctor

1423
01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:17.720
Severn in a Star Trek episode.
But people that are in like one episode

1424
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:20.920
of Star Trek or Superstars in Trek
e Land, you know what I mean.

1425
01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:26.000
But he was in the Ghost of
Mister Chicken as well. But he

1426
01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:31.079
played like the nasty not the nasty, but the not very nice reporter that

1427
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.720
was always dogging on don Knots.
So he had like a lead role in

1428
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:40.319
in the Ghost of Mister Chicken and
which was one of my all time favorite

1429
01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:43.479
favorite movies, and he was he
was just kind of he had the beautiful

1430
01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.720
girl, and the beautiful girl ultimately
dumps him, you know, because he

1431
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:49.600
was handsome and goes with the knots. So I just didn't when I was

1432
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:51.800
doing the research on this, I'm
like, oh my god, that's that's

1433
01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:55.399
the guy. I had to make
sure. But he played Ali. Ali

1434
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:58.000
was the character's name in the Ghost
of Mister Chicken. He was sort of

1435
01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:00.880
the nemesis if there was going to
be one. I think of him of

1436
01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:05.840
Don Notts, and his name is
Ali Ali ol I e oh, not

1437
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:13.039
Ali like Muhammad No. So I
was gonna mention this person mainly because of

1438
01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:15.960
their career they had, which I
thought was interesting. But Alin Alan Oppenheimer

1439
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:24.319
played Aaron Stovitz, who was the
original Manson prosecutor before BULIOSI correct. I

1440
01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:29.319
believe he is still alive and working
at ninety two years old, and he

1441
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:33.000
has done a ton of high profile
cartoon voice work. He was Skeletor and

1442
01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:36.800
mat at Arms and he Man during
the eighties. During the series, he

1443
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:43.600
was character named Vanity on the Smurfs. He narrated the never Ending Story Oh

1444
01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:47.279
Wow. He has appeared in three
different Star Trek series, Voyager, Deep

1445
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:53.439
Space nine, and the Next Generation, and most recently, he did voice

1446
01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:56.800
work on Toy Story four and the
Fallout four video game. I mean in

1447
01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.600
the list, I mean, I'm
just scratching the surface, yea, of

1448
01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:02.880
all the voicework he's done, like
major major voice actor. Played the Aaron

1449
01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:06.880
Stovetz, a small part of the
original Prosecutor. Yeah. I mean,

1450
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:10.159
it was a it was a it
was a It was a decent part for

1451
01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:13.439
this movie. I mean, he
was recognizable and had a lot of lines.

1452
01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.520
I mean, he was he was
a character that you recognize. Troy

1453
01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:17.960
knew him right away from a six
million dollar man, and he's like,

1454
01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:20.439
oh, that's Alan Apenheimer, six
million dollars man, you know. And

1455
01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:25.520
I knew him right away from Westworld
because he was like the the the guy

1456
01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:28.199
in the control room. But he
was the one that was, you know,

1457
01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:32.479
like overseeing the mechanics of the robots
from the computers. And and so

1458
01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:35.640
I remember I remember the original west
World, not the good one. Yeah.

1459
01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:43.600
Brenner, Jil Brenner was that was
a great that was a great movie.

1460
01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:46.159
That was a great movie. Yeah. So, and also I didn't

1461
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:51.640
know this he was he was.
I tried double checking this and triple checking

1462
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:58.640
it to make sure. But he
played DeMille in the original musical Broadway musical

1463
01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:01.560
of Sons of Boulevard. Really didn't
it just it was the one, the

1464
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:04.720
very first one, and it was
you know, Glenn Close in that whole

1465
01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:09.359
business. But but he's on the
soundtrack as playing to mill It was a

1466
01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:13.359
spoken word part. It wasn't really
I don't think it was really any serious

1467
01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:16.640
singing. But I tried double checking
is it another Alan Appenheimer, But but

1468
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.600
it keeps going back to him,
So I think it was really him,

1469
01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:24.520
and he was, you know,
he was in this musical for a while,

1470
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:28.159
he was with it. So it's
just kind of interesting. It's just

1471
01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:32.760
something that's incongruous. It's also good
reminder you when we can't find someone's credits

1472
01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:38.520
on IMDb, it doesn't mean they
weren't a big Broadway success because imb doesn't

1473
01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:44.279
carry doesn't cover theater, separate database
for that. So yeah, and he's

1474
01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:48.520
still working in ninety two. Go
him. Yeah, good for him.

1475
01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:53.640
Hey, if you do what you
love, you know, I mean,

1476
01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:55.800
that's all these people. I'd love
to talk to these people, but I

1477
01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:57.640
got nothing to say, though,
Man, what was it like being the

1478
01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:00.520
Hell's cult? You know? I
mean, what are you can? But

1479
01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:02.560
it would be so cool to get
there, get there, you know,

1480
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:06.079
just you're you. Oh my gosh, it's so cool. That's I remember.

1481
01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:10.760
One of the first celebrity encounters I
ever had was I went I was

1482
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.199
in I was just out of college, and I went the Improv in Tempe,

1483
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:18.520
Arizona and Poly Shore. We went
to see poly Shore stand up and

1484
01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:21.960
he stuck around afterwards to sign tickets
or whatever to meet people, and he

1485
01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:25.560
was like sitting at a table and
I stood in line and I got up

1486
01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:28.119
there, and I'd never done that
before, and I just looked at him

1487
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:30.359
and I and he looked at me
like expecting me to say something, and

1488
01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:33.760
I had nothing to say. It's
the biggest Basically, I was like,

1489
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:38.560
you're you. Yeah, yeah,
here's ticket you signed. I don't know.

1490
01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:41.039
I don't know what I was supposed
to say. Here, my god,

1491
01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:44.640
you're so funny, Like, I
don't know, yeah, yeah,

1492
01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:47.840
that's yeah. It is getting dumbfounded
in front of people is funny. He

1493
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:51.520
was touring at the time. He
said, the finance a movie. I

1494
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:55.640
think it was the in the In
the Army Now the movie that he was

1495
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:59.399
in that he was self funding.
I guess by touring, I would say

1496
01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:03.119
that a big studio production. It
was po It was just it was post

1497
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:05.840
you know, his boom of his
career that happened in like the late nineties

1498
01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:11.880
when he was like Encino Man and
the Weasel all that. Yeah, uh,

1499
01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:15.119
do you have anybody else? Well, it was I wanted to.

1500
01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:20.079
We talked. Rudy Ramos was Donkey
Dan, Danny de Carlo. He was

1501
01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:24.199
in Resurrection Boulevard. He's still alive, but he was in Road Dogs with

1502
01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:28.159
Steve Rail's bag. He was in
Quicksilver and Colors with Sean Penn, Beverly

1503
01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:32.439
Hills Cop two. So he's still
around. Um I was. I didn't.

1504
01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:35.000
I think at the name of the
actor who played Bill Tennant, the

1505
01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:41.359
one who vomited, that would have
been um. That was the business the

1506
01:37:41.399 --> 01:37:45.239
manager of Polanski, who you know
it was? It was so it was

1507
01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:49.199
that was bad acting too. Did
he really did he really did that happen

1508
01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:51.119
in real life though? Did he
really run out? Yeah? He did?

1509
01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:55.720
Tenant did puke. Yeah, yeah, I would yeah when he identified

1510
01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:59.800
his friends that that would have been
terrible, but it was just in repturospect

1511
01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:01.520
fifty years later. You were kind
of like, Okay, it's a bit

1512
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:04.840
hokey. It looks seen. It's
obviously puking out cream corn or something,

1513
01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:09.119
and you know, but it was
like the gause, I want you to

1514
01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:11.640
look at her, and because I
can't, I can't. He goes,

1515
01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:15.239
no, Look it was you know, shoe and his friend's corpses, Like

1516
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:17.319
you couldn't tell who Abigail Polder was
from behind anyway because of the you know,

1517
01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:19.319
the hair and all that stuff.
I mean, who else is it

1518
01:38:19.319 --> 01:38:23.479
going to be? But it was
just it was just kind of kind of

1519
01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:27.239
funny, but I want you to
look at her. Um. I was

1520
01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:29.920
like, there was a couple of
things that I that I pointed out that

1521
01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:33.760
I thought were kind of funny only
in retrospect, because I know that we

1522
01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:38.119
know what the door looks like and
how how it had the word pig written

1523
01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:43.239
on it. And then this one
was it's a little tiny yeah yeah,

1524
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:45.760
yeah, and the refrigerators had held
skelter. It's probably catch up or something.

1525
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:49.279
It like pretty bad too, Um, when they were showing the murder

1526
01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:55.479
weapons and they were showed they showed
the rope in the in the courthouse and

1527
01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:58.880
Beliosi just picks up the bloody rope
with his bare hands and just you know,

1528
01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:00.560
walks around the court with this thing. You know, it's like real

1529
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:05.239
DNA on this and real blood and
it's like no gloves or anything like that.

1530
01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:08.880
That was kind of funny. Some
of the things that were kind of

1531
01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:13.640
interesting is how they dramatized the people
that were that were involved, like the

1532
01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:16.000
Coots family who were living, you
know, right outside the gates of Cello

1533
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:18.760
Drive, who were out there with
their drinks in their hands and they were

1534
01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:24.319
like, oh, it sounded like
a gunshot. I'm sure it's nothing,

1535
01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:27.399
let's go in, you know,
that kind of mistake, and it was

1536
01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:30.000
like right outside their door. But
that's basically what really happened. And uh

1537
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:35.720
and there was the other thing was
when they they showed the Weiss couple watching

1538
01:39:35.720 --> 01:39:41.439
it on the news and Jerry Dumpy, the newscaster was was the newscaster famous

1539
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:45.560
La newscaster was to play the newscaster
in the in the movie announcing there's no

1540
01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:49.479
there's been no developments in the murder
that had you know, captivated, you

1541
01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:54.479
know, or terrified the city.
And then I just loved the dialogue that

1542
01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:58.880
sounds like the gun Stevie found had
druken grip, didn't it. Oh they

1543
01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:01.359
must know it's you know kind of
it. They must know they have that

1544
01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:05.720
it was. It was just sort
of comical because you know, but h

1545
01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:09.119
but anyway, I think that I
think that we've covered it. It.

1546
01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:13.760
There was an odd There was an
odd moment in the movie of Spawn Ranch

1547
01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:16.479
when they pulled when they were arresting
everybody and they pulled Manson out from underneath

1548
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:20.000
that house. Did you do you
remember the lady in a chicken coop?

1549
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:26.920
Yes? What was that? I
don't know what that was about it or

1550
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:29.800
something. Yeah, it was the
weirdest thing. She was living in a

1551
01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:33.359
chicken coop with chickens, and it
was like that was that was an odd

1552
01:40:33.399 --> 01:40:36.880
I've never read about that reference.
They've been pretty accurate with most of the

1553
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:42.239
other stuff that they portrayed. The
lady living in the chicken coop wasn't quite

1554
01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:47.000
what I remember at all. But
the point that that makes the point that

1555
01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:51.960
was important to make that Benzibuliosi say, what you will about the man in

1556
01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:57.840
life. They had no responsibility to
prove a motive they had. They did

1557
01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:01.399
not have to prove why anyone did
anything. They wanted to prove that they

1558
01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:04.800
did it. So everyone is talking
about you know, he's full of crap,

1559
01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:09.359
all this Hilder sculptor BS. Yeah, it may have been BS.

1560
01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:12.880
But his job was not to prove
a motive. It was their job.

1561
01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:15.920
His job was to prove they did
it, and he did so that that

1562
01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:19.039
I will always defend him. I
have a lot of respect for him.

1563
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:25.199
Um, you know, questionable behavior
as a human being. Okay, fine.

1564
01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:27.520
I knew his wife, not didn't
know her, but I mat her

1565
01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:30.319
I liked her. His wife,
actually, Gail Bouliosi used to play cards

1566
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:35.880
in the Playboy mansion and with the
secretary with he and she recognized me from

1567
01:41:35.880 --> 01:41:41.199
the girl's next door. Missus Bouliosi
did because I wouldn't introduce myself to him

1568
01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:44.760
at one of those signings. And
uh and then and she because you were

1569
01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.920
on you know, my friend Mary
was the secretary at Playboy. I saw

1570
01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:50.680
you in that episode. It was
kind of cool. Missus Buliosi knew who

1571
01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:54.880
I was. That is cool.
It was wild it was wild. But

1572
01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:57.079
yeah, that's the thing. You
say what you will about the man is

1573
01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:59.720
a human being. I don't really
care. There's a lot of people that

1574
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:03.359
were great actors that were horrible human
beings. John Phillips a terrible human being,

1575
01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:08.159
but an amazing musician, wrote some
incredible songs. So you know,

1576
01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:11.199
California Dreaming, the Moms in the
pop is. You can't discount his talent.

1577
01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.199
And I can certain things I can't
like. I can't listen to Michael

1578
01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:16.560
Jackson anymore for some reason. I
just I see it, I listen to,

1579
01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:20.039
and I turn it off. It's
whatever, whatever floats your boat.

1580
01:42:20.079 --> 01:42:24.239
There's no you know, you can't
help what you like and what you don't

1581
01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:29.319
like. And BULIOSI did a good
job and he didn't have to do anything

1582
01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:35.319
else. Yeah, and that's all
I got. Well, thank you again,

1583
01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:41.720
everybody. I think this is a
been another epic epic podcast episode of

1584
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:45.880
Dearly to part of podcast talking about
probably arguably our our favorite story. Yeah,

1585
01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:49.920
and I think our once again,
our podcast probably lasted longer than the

1586
01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:53.159
movie. No, it was actually
three hours, I think. No,

1587
01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:56.760
we didn't quite go that long though, for once, for once, see

1588
01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:59.680
we need to do three hour movies
and then we will will never be longer

1589
01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:01.920
than the actual movie that we're talking
about. I just love this movie.

1590
01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:05.520
And there's so many people that are
Yeah, there's so many people that had

1591
01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:10.199
so many interesting credits. Not jump
up and down, oh my god,

1592
01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:14.720
I remember them credits, but they
they're all part of Hollywood in the seventies,

1593
01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:17.159
you know, the fabric of TV
and movies in Hollywood. And yeah,

1594
01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:19.680
and the best, yeah, the
best kind, the best era of

1595
01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:24.600
television. I think the seventies and
the eighties. I do love that.

1596
01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:28.560
But but yeah, so thank you
guys for watching. Thank you very much.

1597
01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:31.399
And um, also just a heads
up that our Patreon supporters, they

1598
01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:35.199
have five dollars a month ones got
to hear this episode a day or two

1599
01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:41.000
early. Um, and uh and
and even the there's five dollars tier,

1600
01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:43.840
and there's the two dollars tier.
Um, what's the two dollars one gets

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01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:47.920
still gets you the extra episodes that
we do between these main ones. Um,

1602
01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:51.199
and that Patreon really does help support
the pod and help us keep going.

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01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:56.279
So yeah, M Dearly Departed podcast
over at Patreon. I'll look us

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01:43:56.359 --> 01:43:59.880
up and please I'll put a link
under the video and again I'll say that

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01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:02.640
again, you know, not to
confuse what I do with my YouTube channel.

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01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:06.159
My YouTube channel is something that's different
than this. The Julied Party podcast

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01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:12.439
is an independent thing that Mike and
I both do, and so the Julier

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01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:17.720
Party podcast Patreon page will be underneath
this on the video. And uh and

1609
01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:21.000
also you get that close to a
ninety minute episode, you know, but

1610
01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:25.319
donate two bucks a month and you
get like almost a ninety minute episode of

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01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:30.119
just exclusive for Patreons, just a
mini episode of all the obituaries. We

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01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:34.239
talk about all the current events and
people that have just passed away and their

1613
01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:36.880
stories and stuff like that. Yeah, which we used to do on this

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01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:40.600
show, but it just made the
shows too long. But also it's great

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01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:44.520
because we can we can talk more
about it those than we would have when

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01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:46.640
they were at the front of the
show. M you know, we literally

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01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:49.720
talk like twice as much about them
now as as we used to. So

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01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:55.800
it's cool. It's more Scott and
Mike King time. Um well, I

1619
01:44:56.000 --> 01:45:01.640
mean, let's start with the final
death. Vincent Bugliosi died sixth twenty fifteen.

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01:45:02.159 --> 01:45:05.880
He was eighty years old and he
died from cancer. Did I say

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01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:09.840
you about my first encounter with him. Did I tell you this story about

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01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:13.680
me calling me up on the phone. I was interviewed for the Late Daily

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01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:17.880
News about the about the Menendez House, and we were in the paper grave

1624
01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:20.720
Line. That's when I was working
for Grave Line Tours. Yeah, and

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01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:27.800
I was quoted in the paper I
said, our most most requested stop was

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01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:31.000
the Tate House, and then now
that that's destroyed, it's now the Menendez

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01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:34.920
House. So this would have been
January of ninety four that I just moved

1628
01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:39.039
here. So it was a Sunday
night in my and the dear Leader party.

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01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:42.439
Are the grave Line phone rings?
It's in my house and I pick

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01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:45.159
it up and he goes, Scott
Michael's are speaking. This is Vinci Buliosi.

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01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:48.479
I just laughed out loud, No, really, no, really,

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01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:50.680
who was this now? He goes, no, it's me. As I

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01:45:50.760 --> 01:45:55.560
read your article in the paper,
your quote about the Tate House being destroyed,

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01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:58.199
and I wanted to know more about
it. So we just talked for

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01:45:58.399 --> 01:46:00.960
He said he's working on a twenty
fifth edition of the book Helter Skelter,

1636
01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:05.319
which ultimately came out and um,
and so he just wanted to verify that

1637
01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:09.640
it was indeed, you know,
torn down, gone, and and that

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01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:11.399
was that was just the end of
it. I said, no, no,

1639
01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:14.239
no one is going to believe this. I said, will you please,

1640
01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:15.439
like, can I have a note
or something from you, just saying

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01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:18.479
it was actually you on the phone. And he sent me a nice little

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01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:21.159
letter saying, you know, it
was a pleasure talking to you or something

1643
01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:25.479
like that's awesome. But it was
I was like, this is vincibilio was

1644
01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:28.399
I'm like, no, it's not. Who is somebody's messing with me,

1645
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:31.640
like anyone would even know, you
know, but to pretend to him of

1646
01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:34.159
all people. Yeah, I liked
him. He was always nice to me.

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01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:36.600
So there you are. Um.
And if you don't know the story

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01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:40.800
about the house getting torn down,
uh, one of the last people to

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01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:44.800
alta Belly owned it until he sold
it. Event he owned it and lived

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01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:46.880
in it off and on for years
afterwards. Right and then at the end,

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01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:50.079
right before it was torn down.
UM, Trent Rezner and nine Inch

1652
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:54.720
Nails recorded I believe it was downward
Spiral or they recorded in the living room

1653
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:59.479
where the murders happened. And there's
video and which is in sixtories of Helter

1654
01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:01.800
Skelter, of that set up with
the big soundboard in there and everything,

1655
01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:05.520
mixing boards and everything, and uh. And then when Resiner moved out,

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01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:09.600
he learned that it was going to
be torn down, which means he would

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01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:14.319
be the last tenant there. And
so he took the pig door with him,

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01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:16.520
Um, the front door that had
Sharon Tate's blood written, the word

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01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:19.560
pig written in her blood. Of
course the blood had been cleaned up,

1660
01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:23.199
but the door was still there,
and so he took the door, and

1661
01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:28.119
supposedly it ended up in his as
a door in his recording studio in New

1662
01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:30.720
Orleans for a time. And then
I think at last I heard was it

1663
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:34.680
was in storage? Well he was
it was. Yeah. When the building

1664
01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:38.520
was sold, the door was taken
off of it and putting the basement in

1665
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:42.840
the building. We went to New
Orleans and looked for it. And uh,

1666
01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:46.000
it turns out that I guess it
was a plastic surgeon that bought the

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01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:49.199
place and was operating out of it
and had this thing in the basement.

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01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:53.760
And somebody approached him and asked if
they if they wanted it. Because Resiner

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01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:56.319
turned his back on the whole true
crime thing. You know, he said

1670
01:47:56.319 --> 01:47:59.840
he was embarrassed, and you know, he felt sad, so he yeah,

1671
01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:02.439
he said he regretted later on that
he probably was insensitive. He realized

1672
01:48:02.600 --> 01:48:05.760
looking back, it was insensitive for
him to record an album there, or

1673
01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:09.239
to exploit that or whatever whatever word
you want to use for it. But

1674
01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:11.760
yeah, yeah, I mean,
just on what you did for God's sake.

1675
01:48:11.800 --> 01:48:14.439
But anyway, so he left the
door behind, but it does belong

1676
01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:16.880
to an artist now who has it
in his home and he's going to he

1677
01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:19.359
said to me that he was going
to put it in a place so you'll

1678
01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:21.880
be able to see it from the
street, so people will be able to

1679
01:48:21.880 --> 01:48:26.399
see it, but yeah, it'll
be part of his art collection, and

1680
01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:29.439
you know, I really want to
protect it from the element, so it's

1681
01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:31.840
not an outdoor door. Yeah.
There. If there's one one artifact I

1682
01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:35.640
would love for my museum, it
would be that. And I was like,

1683
01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:41.399
somebody approached me probably fifteen, well
probably like twenty years ago now saying,

1684
01:48:41.439 --> 01:48:44.600
you know, I know who has
a door. Are you interested?

1685
01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:45.880
And It's like, well, of
course I am, And what's your starting

1686
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:48.239
point? And I'm like, I'm
not playing this game, so I'll give

1687
01:48:48.239 --> 01:48:50.479
you five hundred bucks for it,
and I never heard from the person again

1688
01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:53.840
because I'm not going to get in
a bidding more. I figure if it's

1689
01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:58.640
going to end up in my possession, which I think belongs sort of in

1690
01:48:58.680 --> 01:49:01.159
this, you know, because I'm
not financially motivated, I think that I

1691
01:49:01.159 --> 01:49:04.159
could, you know, show this
thing has been a history. Anyway,

1692
01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:08.520
talk to the guy, really nice
guy, and I'm glad it's in a

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01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:11.079
safe place. And I hope one
day at this show up and end up

1694
01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:14.680
being part of the collection of the
Dearly part of museum. I really do.

1695
01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:17.000
But in the meantime, I'm I'm
I'm comfortable with where it is.

1696
01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:19.640
I think it's cool. The guy's
a nice guy and good for him.

1697
01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:25.760
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.
So anyway, that's it. All right,

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01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:28.600
guys, thanks a lot for listening, And um, we don't know

1699
01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:30.800
what your next show is going to
be yet, but again we're on Spreaker

1700
01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:34.520
now on iHeartRadio, so that's our
home home base now. But you'll still

1701
01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:40.199
be able to get us on iTunes
and Spotify and all those other places that

1702
01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:43.119
we've always been at. And I
think we'll still get us on maybe on

1703
01:49:43.159 --> 01:49:45.199
pod being like forward it over there, I think our our SS feed.

1704
01:49:46.439 --> 01:49:49.399
One other thing I want to mention, because we've been talking about this for

1705
01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:54.840
hours now, the day this is
the day this this this episode is officially

1706
01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:58.840
becoming public for everyone to want to
listen to, is the day the murders

1707
01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:02.560
happen fifty three years go. And
we've been talking all about these people and

1708
01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:08.279
the and and everything about the hoopla
after it and all these people actors,

1709
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:11.800
and ultimately there are seven people that
are dead because of this, you know,

1710
01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:16.159
real people that were killed, and
um, I don't I can't even

1711
01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:19.399
talk about their names right now because
I probably wouldn't make it, but but

1712
01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:23.279
I just it's so important that these
seven people not be forgotten. And not

1713
01:50:23.319 --> 01:50:26.960
because they're part of pop culture.
They are, that's why we know them.

1714
01:50:27.159 --> 01:50:30.520
But those seven people have names,
and it's hard for me to say

1715
01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:32.359
them when you're trying to get you
know, serious about it, because I

1716
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:35.560
get I get caught up in it
and I get emotional. But but it's

1717
01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:41.600
important. There's seven people lost their
lives and ultimately that's the truth of all

1718
01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:46.199
of this, and what's happened in
fifty three years is extraordinary. But don't

1719
01:50:46.199 --> 01:50:53.279
ever forget those seven people. Yeah, and with that, we'll see you

1720
01:50:53.319 --> 01:51:00.640
next time. Good night. This
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1721
01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:06.760
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1722
01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:10.800
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