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We're back with another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Elachishinski, culture

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Christopher Bedford, executive editor over at
the Common Sense Society, is joining

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me today. Chris. I would
ask how you are, but you're not

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great. Yeah. I was just
thinking as you introduced us that instead of

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talking about what we were going to
talk about today, we just talked about

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how how not cheerful I am at
this moment I cracked an unhappy beer as

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opposed to a happy beer, which
is usually my Thursday it's my Thursday type.

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It's a fine line between a happy
and an unhappy beer. Yeah,

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it's we can get to it later, but I mean it's not important.

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It's just family and sickness and cancel
travel plans and people who you're very you

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know, very much looking forward to
seeing. Being unable to make it is

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a bummer, especially and you put
so much work in but people have much

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worse problems in that. That's so
true, and I think it is though,

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like the sickness is affecting so many
people, and like it's the post

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Thanksgiving in the era of COVID where
people's immune systems are still recovering and there's

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new strains of COVID going around.
It's just like, how do you get

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COVID? I don't know. I
don't think it's real. I mean,

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okay, my dad teld me.
I called him this morning and I'm like,

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hey, I don't don't forget some
leaf of specs room and your luggage

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to bring gifts up to my brother
when you go visit him Boston afterwards.

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And he was not himself. Yeah, he's clearly on himself and he's had

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a clinic gatting tested and I was
like, for what COVID? I mean,

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you might as well get tested for, like why would you? And

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it turned out it was actually RSV
And my brother's got young kids and that

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impacts them pretty badly. My grandma
is really sick. But you know,

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I get it. I mean,
I have a bunch of friends this Christmas

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too, many who are having their
first Christmas without a parent or without someone

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else there like period ever again,
Yeah, so rescheduling is is definitely doable.

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I can't Yeah, the I can't
remember a time at least in DC,

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and I know it's the same in
different parts of the country whose I've

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looked at the map of you know
where these illnesses are spreading. But the

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only time I can remember where this
many people were sick in a short period

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of time with you know, just
flew cold what normal COVID whatever it is,

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was last year between Thanksgiving and Christmas, because people's immune systems have just

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been battered by years of isolation.
Yeah, last year was my first year

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sharing a house with a six year
old and was also so his first year

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because we pulled him out of DC
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like going to school as opposed to
doing over zoom or with masks on and

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everything. And I was as a
response as result of that, I was

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like sick for the first three days. These kids he comes back with something.

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I'm like, what is that,
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it's like a medieval pox that you
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It's like you have boils on your
chest. I mean, it's just it's

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crazy the stuff he was bringing back. But this year have been pretty fortunate.

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Now you tease that we were going
to talk about something serious, you

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don't have to. We even talk
about Christmas plans. No, we're drinking.

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We're doing that with your wife.
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We're talking to her about something that's
awesome. Must do that, presumably

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we have to talk to her.
But basically this is the background. Chris

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and I scheduled a couple of podcasts
today and won his lovely wife Sarah Bedford

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to the Washington examiners coming in and
you know what am I going to talk

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to her about? So what current
event? I guess you've already probably touched

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on the awesome Colorado. You probably
have a lot to say about that.

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I love it. It's democracy and
action. I love it. It's hard

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for them right now. Right now, the Democrats are in this point where

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they're like Donald Trump, don't forget
Charlottesville, anti Semites, but like their

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base is in the streets chanting for
the genocide of the Israeli States. They

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have to like kind of drop that
one, and they're like, wait,

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okay, Donald Trump, anti democracy. Well, we'll never leave office.

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And then like Leon Jenkins, left
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Party and the Department of Justice,
it's like charging in Colorado to get him

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stripped from the ballot as a Confederate, as a as and he's not charged

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with insurrection. I really love the
breakdown on the judges that one of those

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guys on Twitter did where he said, listen, everyone voted, they voted

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differently. They're all Democrats, they're
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who went to law school on Colorado
said this is insane, and the ones

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who went to the IVY leagues were
like, sounds right. Yeah. It

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was a four to three vote in
the Colorado Supreme Court. Obviously, when

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people are listening to this, they'll
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breakdown and Jason Willock of the Washington
Post, he's great, he realized that

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it was. It broke down neatly
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been really digging in. You know, it's probably doing what a lot of

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expert reporters do, which is the
first thing they do is pull up left

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wing Wikipedia, which does have like
usual you can rely on up for birth

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dates, and Education and just started
like what a second, I noticed this?

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Yeah, So, and that's interesting
also because some of the legal analyses

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I've seen of the four that found
that Trump could be just qualified from the

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ballot based on the fourteenth Amendment.
So this is post Civil War like actually

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banning Confederates from holding public office,
basically people who committed insurrection or gave aid

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and comfort to those committing insurrection.
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not been charged with insurrection, and
that the legal analysis I've seen of that

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is basically that you really have to
do sort of intellectual gymnastics to get to

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that conclusion that like it's a really
it's a difficult thing. You have to

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stretch it. And at the time
you're imprisoning people for twenty years on an

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office document's destruction law, which is
what they're doing at the j six ers.

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I mean, you could call anything
anything. I mean, they're just

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it's it's completely insane law for But
here's the thing I like about it.

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So the color is actually not a
ton of time. I think Colorado is

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supposed to print their ballots in January. Yeah, they're supposed to print the

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ballots on January fifth, which is
why I believe the Supreme Court has to

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rule on this by January fourth,
because the ballots are going to the printer,

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They're going to move. Their Christmas
vacation is messed up. No one's

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really had that. This has been
a pretty active winter in DC. The

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Senate was still banging it away until
yesterday. They the Supreme Court needs to

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come down with a pretty unanimous SmackDown
on this, and I just I'm bullish

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that they will, yeah, because
it can't be like a conservative liberal split

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or something with Roberts writing a milk
Toast opinion. It's got to be something

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that other states don't look at and
try. I've seen predictions of either nine

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to zero or seven to two,
which again with the Supreme Court. By

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the way, you know, I
don't. I'm not super confident in predicting

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how the Supreme Court is going to
rule, just because it's such a hot

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potato. I don't know. I
mean, it seems if I had to

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bet, if someone forced me to
bet, I would say I would feel

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comfortable with seven to two. But
you just don't know my I guess my

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guess would be nine zero, Like
you said, I mean, there's pressure

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Smarterer people that may can't guess that
there's pressure Clarence Thomas to recuse himself because

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Genia, Well, because Ginny Thomas
was involved in organizing the demonstration, not

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a riot or an insurrection, but
was involved in organizing the peaceful demonstration which

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for thousands and thousands and thousands and
thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of

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people remained peaceful on January sixth.
That, yeah, Clarence Thomas, somehow

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I sort of recuse himself because it's
completely wild. I you know, Colorado

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Republicans would really need to worry about
this happening, and is in Michigan or

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in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania, by the
way, very liberal Supreme Court these days.

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That's that's those are the things that
would jeopardize his election. Happened in

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California. It's like this round is
not really that day. It's like,

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you know, Lincoln was not in
the ballot I think twelve states and he

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won re election another to anyway circumstances
there, but it's like he wasn't going

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to win the South, so it
didn't really matter. Did you see the

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trailer for the new Civil War movie
that a twenty four joints. I missed

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it. You missed it. I've
seen it, and I'm like, we

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should, Like, there's only so
much outrage porn I can watch a day.

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Okay, So there was a movie. This may have also been an

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A twenty four movie. It's called
like the Hunt a few years ago,

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and it was sort of this cartoonish
satire about wealthy liberals like hunting you know,

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the toothless rubes of red state America, and that wouldn't really work that

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well. People say that it's actually
pretty good. I never saw it.

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I remember watching the trailer and I
wrote a piece at the time, like

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a really quick one, being like, maybe this is not such a good

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idea, and people movie are hunting
people. You know how I feel about

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hunting people. The movie, on
the other hand, when it's in season,

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you know, it's not it's not
funny. It's a it's a serious

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matter of the hunting of people,
right the Greatest Game, Yes, the

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Greatest Game indeed, But the the
movie people were like, you know,

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conservatives were wrong to freak out about
this. It's actually a sort of satire

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of the left, and that was
clear from the trailer. I don't think

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anybody denied that. What I do
think is that indulging these sort of blockbuster

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pornographic fantasies of violence is probably not
great. And that's just the purge these

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days, the purge. I never
saw the purge. I just I'm just

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familiar with the idea that I found
it too control. I don't really watch

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any movies that much, but I
watch, like, it's pretty rare that

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I have a night to myself where
no one cares what I do for like

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three hours. Extremely you got the
bar on those nights anyway? When I

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Yeah, when I get them,
I usually use them for socializing, but

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if it's if there is a rare
night. So I was like, I'm

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going to bed and I don't care
if you go to bed with me.

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You like, we don't have to
watch ninety Day Fiance. I'm probably gonna

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watch Braveheart or Unforgiven or ken Burn
Civil War or Boby Dick my thron Zulu.

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I'm like, why would I Are
we gonna watch a new movie,

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Master and Commander, Master in Commander. I just watched a new movie last

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night about Paul Giamatti's in it.
Oh, oh my gosh, you watch

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The Holdovers? Yeah? Oh,
maybe watch it. She fell asleep in

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the middle of it. I ended
up watching the whole thing. Okay,

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so we're gonna put a pin in
that because Sam and I Sam are our

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editors. Yeah, he's visibly excited. He's not an excitable person, so

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unlike you. He actually watches all
of the movies. And we're going to

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tape a movie podcast later. And
that was one of the ones I wanted

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to talk about. But I'm actually
sort of weirded out that you saw it.

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It's only been out for like a
week. Sarah rented it when Sarah

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was in New York City for Fox
on Tuesday night, and she rented it

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when she was up there and fell
asleep promptly after turning it on and wanted

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to finish it. And I was
interested because I really like Paul Giamatti.

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I knew that he agreed to watch
it, and also I agreed to watch

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it because I'm not in charge of
what movie I watched during Christmas, so

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I can give gentle pushback. I
admit that while I'd like some of the

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scenes, like I really like the
Rocker, I'm starting to get sick of

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love actually, like I would like
to cut certain scenes from it. I

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don't really like I have to watch
it every Christmas stow because I'm married.

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Yeah, and like the whole like
Hugh Grant versus Angelina Jolie's ex husband about

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Thornton. Oh, it was like
so obviously the British just being like man

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Tony Blair, the English refused to
send up to George W. Bush.

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We're going to make a fake English
Prime Minister that does stand up to fake

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George W. Bush. It was
like it was just like anti America,

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like stands up for itself kind of
feel good stuff. Also pornographic fantasies.

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There's some strange scenes in there.
Well, this is a really weird tangent

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from the Colorado Spring Court ruling that
I brought upon us because I brought up

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the Civil War movie. Although I
did want to mention I walked into an

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Applebee's recently and actually thought of you, because right on the wall, for

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some inexplicable reason, they had a
framed still from Mastering Commander, just like

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a Russell grow on the boce.
Why don't we have that in this office?

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I don't know, but why did
they have it in the apple Bee's?

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Amazing the art of the Federal's office
is incredible in its own right.

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People. Yeah, we we had
like a little happy hour of just you

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know, people in the biz,
and everyone walked in here and was like,

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what, what's what's going on?
What's with the US. It's as

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if a fraternity was able to purchase
one work of art a year under five

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hundred dollars exactly because of a print
out of Hunter Biden on the bathroom door

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that was for me. Yeah,
well it's right under Trump's mug shot.

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Anyway, back to the pornographic fantasies
of Colorado. Well, but there's actually

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so the Colorado ruling immediately was it
Ken Paxson? It was someone from Texas.

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An elected official from Texas was on
lawer Ingram that night after the ruling

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came out and was talking about how, you know, Texas could disqualify,

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could take Joe Biden off the ballot
for his border policy, which if you

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are looking at in the last two
weeks, we've seen the single highest number

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of migrant encounters jail, so thirteen
thousand a couple of days ago. A

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week before that, it was twelve
thousand. It is just a mass of

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humanity, poverty stricken suffering, you
know, just it's awful what's transpiring at

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the border, and not just for
the American people, who, by the

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way, get the short shrift from
all of this, because they have sort

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of people living in the shadows and
not you know, needing to abide by

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certain laws. And that's not good
for the people who live in the shadows

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of our society either. And there's
no clarity, and a lot of people

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are being caught up in the politics
of this, both the migrants and obviously

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the American people who pay taxes and
you get audited by the I R.

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S and you deal with all of
that, and you know, it's just

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insane. But then it does bring
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I was just like, holy smokes, this is not China. Well so

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this immediately a source texted me immediately
it was like this is going to be

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pushed by on Chinese propaganda, Like
you're going to see this movie pushed on

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TikTok so hard, Like Chinese propagandas
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this movie. And like there's I
have no problem I don't think there should

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be boundaries for satire or anything like
that. I do think Hollywood putting a

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bunch of money into a blockbuster that's
like civil war fantasy porn. It just

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is not funny right now. I
thought we weren't supposed to talk about the

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Civil War anymore. I mean,
this week they took down the Reconciliation Memorial

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in Arlington. I want to ask
you about this because this has been something

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you, like other people are just
learning about this week, they're training on

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Twitter. It's this just so annoying
because you was trending on Twitter the day

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was coming down, and I was
like, we've been ringing the bell for

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a year. Yeah you were.
Now you've done this for you. You

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were on top of this before anybody
else. What's your reaction to because it

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was originally paused like for the last
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was paused right there was a two
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well some Republican politicians I actually elected
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it. And it was too little, too late, obviously, because it

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was trending. Man, I wish
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How many times I've pitched this story
the Fox. Yeah, it's like,

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now we're just going to do another
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Tucker covered it. Tucker covered it. He was interested. But there's not

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a lot of people on the American
right who are interested in architecture and history

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and beauty and the nuances and just
like even more than abortion, maybe like

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they don't want to wade into the
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the American past. We're not comfortable
with it at all. It's and and

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there's all these people like we need
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a one sided conversation and it's not
actually nuance at all. So we talked

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about this memorial on this podcast before, but it was over a year ago.

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Yeah, probably, Yeah, I
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American people were extremely divided after the
Civil War continued to be so really until

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like after World War One, it
things sort to change. But the Spanish

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American War, for the first time
saw Confederate veterans and Union veterans fighting on

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the same side, and it was
a spirit of kind of come togetherness,

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and we're all onto the same flag
again. And it really did a lot

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to push reconciliation between the American people
forward. And there had before then had

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been a law that you could not
even even the families could not tend to

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the graves of Confederate dead on federal
grounds. You had to just let that

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graves grow under the weeds. I
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justified with So they changed that and
they collected the Confederate dead from around

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Washington, d c. On federal
lands and they reburied them in Arlington Cemetery,

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a cemetery started on Robert Lee's front
doorstep by the Union as a Union

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cemetery. It was a big move. And it's not front and center.

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You could go to Arlington Cemetery half
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It's back away and it's they're in
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a Confederate veteran who was at that
point in Italy in Rome as a sculptor,

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and they asked him to do this
monument. And it's a memorial too.

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It's not a lost Cause memorial.
It's the Laurel was turned with Laurel

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the sign of nobilion, victory has
turned downwards. There's a hand on the

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plowshare that the sword has been hammered
into. It's not like the self to

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rise again at all. But it
doesn't say it says, you know,

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these men did their duty and they
were called to their cause, and they

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fought, and they died, and
they sacrifice and they left. Didn't like

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it because the motif around the outside
had two scenes. One was a slaver

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company his master to war, and
another one was a black mammy holding a

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probably a white baby for a Confederate
officer to kiss. Do you mean like

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a caricature maybe like a yeah,
I mean blacks slave women some of them

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played kind of like a mother's role. And you're saying one of the one

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of the notar earlier parts of American
slavery was like the even breastfree the kids

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and stuff and things like that.
But but you're from their own children,

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right, the sculptor, yes,
And they're like, this Confederate doesn't look

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like this. This the slave is
the company's master war, doesn't look like

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he's unhappy enough about it. It's
like, well, some some some black

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people did fight for the South,
and some slaves accompanied their masters just because

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their masters struck them, and they're
like, this is unacceptable, and it's

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like, why is it all looks
like it's uncomfortable that there there were slavery.

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I mean, yeah, it's unacceptable
that you actually have a man going

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off to Ward to fight for slavery
in the first place, let alone bringing

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the slave. But it happened.
I mean, if you're going to fight

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for slavery, you might as well
bring your slave right by our stay kind

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of like committed to slavery at that
point, by our standards. In twenty

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twenty three, it's brought my slaves. What are we here for? I

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mean, the reality is most men
who fought for the Confederacy never even knew

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someone who owned anyone, forget about, didn't even really anything anything of their

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own. But there's no question what
they're fighting. When the sculpture died,

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he was all right underneath. He
was buried at the foot of his memorial,

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So it is a stone. He's
a Jewish man, Moses Ezekiel.

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Yeah, he operates. He kind
of dominates that niche of Jewish classical sculptor

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Confederate war veterans. He is the
most pre eminent of them, the most

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pre eminent Jewish Civil War Confederate sculptor
veteran. Yeah, amazing, you know,

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and he was actually fairly unreconstructed in
his views. He left, he

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went to Italy. Yeah, he'd
rather be a Jew in Rome than a

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Confederate in America, I guess.
But Ulysses has Grant visited his studio and

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was welcomed as a guest like this. He was an interesting person. He

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was the first Jewish cadet to go
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and ended up fighting at the Battle
of Newmarket. Sure, it's been a

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year since I've history of buff Actually, his roommate was killed. He died

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in his arms. He fought and
eventually left. Really to pursue culture more

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than anything, the process. We're
digging it. So three years ago,

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in the chaos of like we must
supplicate ourselves to Saint George Floyd, people

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were just mobs, were tearing things
down. But now in the cool of

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like, tempers have cooled. You
don't see FBI agents kneeling in the streets

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before their new gods. They do
that in private. You have the Department

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of Defense desecrating graveyards. Well,
this is insane. So this is a

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process, That's what I was going
to ask you about. This is a

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process that was initiated. I actually
think what in twenty twenty to review.

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Federal Congress initiated it, and it
was to review what federal wanting to move

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things that glorify the Confederacy for military
bases and street names and things like that.

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And so the Defense Department decided during
their review this statue qualified. And

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this statue has a just a as
you pointed out, a unique history,

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and part of that history I know
you can speak to. This was also

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when it was unveiled. Was it
Woodrow Wilson who spoke at the unveiling?

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No, it was before Woodrow Wilson, but Woodrow Wilson did. Actually he

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might have to double check. I
think it was actually like an anniverse broken

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there. I don't think Wilis Wilson
was the wasnident who dedicated it. I

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think he was at like an they
celebrated like a Civil War anniversary there,

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and Woodrow Wilson gave a pretty famous
speech. And I'm basically disinterested in anything

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Woodrow Wilson has to say about race. The most bitter race. What is

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that creepy progressive thing? Uh oh, eugenics, Yeah, just part of

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it. I mean, he resegregated
DC. And just if we're tearing down

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statues, we should tear down the
freaking tear down statues. But if I'm

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saying, if we are, we
should tear down the freaking statue of him

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on the Wilson Bridge, Like that's
the that's the one that should go.

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But of course it's safe because he's
a hero for the left. It's much

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it's much worse. Uh, it's
much worse to see that too. I

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Mean the sad thing is a lot
of these guys are just they're unknown,

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they're buried far from home, they're
buried far from their families, they're not

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publicly known people. And going after
those anonymous. This thing all started out

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with we're just going to go after
the slavers, and it very quickly became

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we're actually just going to go after
the soldiers. We're going to go after

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the poor. We're going to go
after those who who just fought and died.

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I just finished this great book company
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that if you've ever watched Ken Burns'
Civil War thank you. You guys,

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make some more noise over, just
just throw stuff, just blasted. If

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you ever watched Converned Civil War,
the Confederate Soldiers Journal that's most often quoted

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as from this guy who fought in
the Army of the Tennessee for basically the

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entirety of the war, and it's
it's a really good reminder of just what

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was going through the minds of these
guys and what they felt, what hurt

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them, what made them happy,
what what made them excited, what they

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were fighting for. And it doesn't
fit into that neat thing. That's like

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I read a great illustrated classic history
of the Civil War and now I know

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everything that you get from so many
pundits and everyone else. Right, No,

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it's completely different. And this was
one of the things that struck me.

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Jeremy Carl on Twitter was talking about
how Jim Webb actually had taken groups

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of North and South Vietnamese to the
monument to show how the US reconciled successfully.

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After a bit incredible piece in the
Wall Street Journal about this, Yeah,

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Jim web has really taken up the
cause. And one of the things

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that for me, just like when
I first heard about this I was like,

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you know, I'm not going to
get that upset about a Confederate statue.

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Like it comes across. It strikes, and I think that's part of

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the reason that this was delayed.
It strikes Maybe the average person is okay,

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not the biggest deal. When you
learn about the statue, you realize

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how truly sad it is that this
is no longer in Arlington. Cool.

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I mean, it looks like it
looks like something from America's glorious past.

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I'm talking about the art, the
the symbolism there, the classical images that

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and that people would of the time
would understand because they were better educated.

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The what upsets me about all that. One of the things that really upsets

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me is we live in a society
that cannot build, that does not want

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to build, cannot really it can't
even maintain the great things that were handed

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down to us to build them.
One of the things that used to strike

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me about visiting Baltimore, which I
love, is it's almost like an alien

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people live in Baltimore, Like you
know how like Rome was occupied for hundreds

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of years after Rome had fallen,
and you'd get these stories from Holy Roman

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Emperor's going down there to get their
crowd or something of like people skittering in

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the ruin and the rocks and like
mobs waiting to kill that more of the

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pope wherever it comes out first.
It's like a bad place to be only

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speaking. And you look around and
there's these beautiful churches empty uly. There

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are these beautiful buildings built by the
people who built Baltimore unused, the the

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the little twists and turns and the
flourishes you see in the architecture above you,

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the statues and on these grand plazas, the mansions that would cost more

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to furnish than to buy. And
the people who are the people who live

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there now have like no connection to
it. It's like it's like they're living

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in the ruins of an ancient city. And I just that's one of the

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heartbreaking things, is we if America
wanted to take an honest step back and

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have an actual conversation, not one
this is just bulldozed. You're a racis

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actual conversation, supervoice, actual conversation, Yeah, like a real one,

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a real one that about who are
heroes national heroes ought to be? Who

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are national heroes? Like who stand
for some of the things we care about

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today and do beautiful works to them. I'd like I'd be more open to

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that conversation, but it won't be
beautiful. It will be ugly, you

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know, very ugly, like the
thoughts that pushed this. But this,

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the other thing, is like we
take for granted, and removing the statue

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I think is a really good Actually, it's just sort of a searing reminder

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of how much we take for granted
the work that people put into unifying after

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the country literally split into like we
split into geographically and fought, people died,

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people spilled their blood, and again
in the Civil Rights movement, people

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spilled their blood after in reconstruction,
after Jim Crow to end this and to

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get the country to a place where
so many different people were living in one

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country together, more than has ever
happened over the course of history with legal

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equality is it's unprecedented in the scope
and scale of human It has never happened

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before. People fought and died for
that, and we take that for granted

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because we have this just instant gratification
perfectionism. Everything needs to be And the

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perfectionism, by the way, is
defined by a horrific ideology that puts equity

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above everything else and has no sort
of respect for real equality in any of

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that. It's just stupid and it's
incoherent. But they told us they were

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doing it too. They didn't say
a record like the people who built this

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memorial. I'll talk about reconciliation the
people, the newspapers and the activists.

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In twenty twenty and on we talked
about reckoning, and there's no justice,

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there's no coming together in a reckoning. It is retribution on help. Yeah,

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what's the retribution on on me?
Well, yes, definitely on me.

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It's definitely on you. Yeah.
But what about my family and the

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thought for the union? They are
they okay, my family confederacy, I

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mean they were killed. It's they
were open about it from the start and

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here you see it and it's very
ugly and it was very it's been very

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frustrating. I've not done nearly the
most work. There's group Defend Arlington and

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the Virginia Council, which Common Sense
Society works with John Reid down there,

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radio hosts in Richmond. They've done
a lot of work fightingness and there's more

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to come. By the way,
they're coming from more statues in Richmond.

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So I'll have updates for you on
that soon. Another city that's been destroyed

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by these vandals. Disagree, disagree, Well, listen, you can have

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a problem with the Confederate statues that
were in Richmond, but the monument drive

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was wild, but go down there
and look at it now and you'll see

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ugliness overgirl grasp graffeedi and fencing.
Richmond, which, by the way,

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tenuously holding on to any claim to
her being an attractive city, been surrounded

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by like miles of light to medium
to heavy industry. Not a beautiful city.

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Yeah, I think that's true.
And they took away some of the

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only beautiful stuff and they didn't replace
it. Speaking of pornography, the video

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of melting the Robert E. Lee
statue in the fire that came out a

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couple of months, that's it's what
do they called it? A humiliation ceremony,

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a ritual, humiliation ritual. It's
like part of what they do.

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Like you are defeated enemy America.
You are a defeated enemy. You will

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watch people who worked spent the rest
of their lives fighting for reconciliation. You

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watch their faces melt, and we
will fly a new flag over the White

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House. It's the arrogance of presentism, and it is just a shallowness in

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general. But the other thing it
made me think about was how much we

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take for granted that, for example, we are not super far from the

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Capitol Building right now and are openly
criticizing the regime, and we are going

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to celebrate a Christian holiday in peace, and we are going to be able

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to travel hundreds of miles to go
see our families, and you know,

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things are still working okay in this
country. They're not great, there's no

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question about that. And what's work
exactly, and what's worse is that they're

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trending in a horrifying direction, and
they're trending in that direction fast. I

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think it's momentum, but I just
right up think it's this momentum. Yeah,

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I just I just don't want to
take for granted that we do still

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like in the United States, people
have a way worse off and what we

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are accomplishing as American people on a
daily basis in twenty twenty three, You

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know, there are generations that,
you know, like us, we're millennials,

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We are already like we were,
I think intellectually morally worse off than

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the generation right before us, which
was worse off than the generation before it,

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because his educational standards are being eroded. Moral standards are being eroded,

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you know, every decade that passes, and so certainly people are coming to

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take our places in the next generation. And that doesn't mean, you know,

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we can't have hope and all of
that. It just means that things

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we are still historically, we're still
three years off people getting arrested for having

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Christmas Mass. We're so close to
America. But won't that be fun?

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Yeah that was three years ago.
Oh, I say, oh you're talking

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about I thought you meant in the
future. That's why I worry that.

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Yeah, it's important to understand where
you stand and how blessed you are in

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all stages, but we're not called
to live easy. Reason why they were

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able to arrest people for going to
church in twenty twenty is because the insides

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are hollow. There are so many
better reasons to arrest Chris Bedford than him

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going to church. They've used them. Yeah, I've arrested a lot,

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but they haven't. They barely scratched
the surface, to be honest, right,

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Sometimes I feel like it's really unfair
when I get a rested as a

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kid, but then I have to
remind myself, like, well, what

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about all the times you didn't get
around? What about the pink hair?

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Nobody ever arrested you for that fashion
police, You were lucky, all right.

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You have been listening to another edition
of the Federals Did we talk about?

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Oh, we talked about the Confederacy, a new movie Paul Giamatti.

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Everything we covered everything. We've been
listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio

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Hour. Em Dashenski, culture editor
here at the Federals Joint today. My

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Christopher Bedford, Executive editor over at
the Common Sense Society, will be back

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soon with more. Until then,
be the lovers of freedom and anxious for

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the friend I heard the fameboy ser
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