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This week we get into the revolution
of high tech satellite imagery and ancient sites

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of Egypt. We'll be looking at
the Hawara Pyramid and its association with an

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underground labyrinth which was visited by Herodotus, the great Greek historian, and excavated

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and documented by Flinner's Petrie, the
father of Egyptology, in the late eighteen

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hundreds. And we want to know
more about this mythological labyrinth. Through images

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by satellite scans, we now know
that there is a labyrinth. There is

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details of this labyrinth from this imagery, and we're going to learn about its

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great age, its purpose, and
why we haven't heard about it from the

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Egyptian authorities. All this and more
today on Earth Ancients for Saturday, October

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fourteenth, twenty twenty three. This
is Earth Ancients. I'm your host,

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Cliff Dunning. Hey, how you
doing come? I didn't have a seat.

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Good to see you. I have
questioned history from a very young age.

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In fact, I think I've mentioned
a number of times that I was

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asked to Sunday school numerous times because
I questioned the Bible, I questioned the

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scriptures. I even questioned the man
that is known as Jesus Christ of Nazarene

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and since that time, you know, and I think it has to do

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with my grandfather, who was a
country doctor, but he had just an

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amazing library of Native American history.
He had books by some of the early

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anomalists, people like Charles Fort and
others who I found quite unique. And

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these people were documenting unusual history,
unusual events that were not necessarily reported by

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the newspapers or magazines of the turn
of the century nineteen hundreds. He lived

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in the late eighteen hundreds, Charles
Fort is who I'm referring to, and

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into the early nineteen hundreds. But
I've always questioned history, and I've question

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the way it's interpreted. And as
you've been listening to the shows, we've

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had Native Americans, and most notably
doctor Pauline Steve's. Doctor Steves, who

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is an indigenous archaeologist from Canada.
If you remember she is working, presents

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in her book decades if not more
than one hundred years of she considers ethnic

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cleansing where the oral traditions of her
people and the native people throughout America the

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Americas has been disavowed or ignored,
and we are we now know that these

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oral traditions are extremely important, but
the issues around delving into history and looking

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at ancient cultures is a big problem
for me. And years ago when I

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started flying in meetium my Native Mayan
friends in Yucatan, I definitely was having

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problems with the interpretations of their culture, the Maya culture, the beliefs that

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pyramids were tombs for dead people,
and on and on and on. It

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got to be a real problem for
me, and this is where we began

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to see the launch of Earth Ancients. And I think I also mentioned that

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I was working in the corporate world
in the mid nineteen nineties. I worked

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for PayPal for a number of years
and then was a program director for a

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conference called Whole Life Expo that was
in the late nineties. I eventually worked

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for other conferences that wanted my expertise
on ancient cultures and people who had written

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about them. But not only that, UFOs aliens kind of scrange anomalies,

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personal growth, spirituality, wellness.
This is where destiny comes from and my

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need to express that desire to educate
people about options for a wellness, for

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spirituality, for personal growth. But
Earth Ancients is really about my need to

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awaken us to a history that is
being ignored. And today's guest is doctor

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Mark Carlotto, who has uncovered some
very interesting data on the Hawara Labyrinth in

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Egypt, which is documented as far
back as Herodotus, which who was the

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Greek historian who saw part of it
and wrote a great deal about it.

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And then later in the eighteen hundreds, Flinders Petrie, who's considered the father

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of Egyptology, excavated the area where
this labyrinth was and was very detailed in

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his description of this huge underground labyrinth. Now you know, the issues with

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this is that we only hear it
from outsiders. We don't hear it from

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the Egyptian authorities themselves, and it's
unfortunate. It's unfortunate that there seems to

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be a lockdown when it comes to
certain revelations about the ancient Egyptian past,

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certain sciences and technology, and it's
become a problem to the point where here

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we are with these two scientists in
Europe, Bione and Malanga, scanning the

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Great Pyramid with this SAR technology without
permission from the Antiquities Department. And let

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me tell you why I think they
did this and why this is becoming a

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problem. Prior to that scan,
we had the work of the Scan Pyramid

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Group, which is a consortium of
scientists from Japan, from Egypt, and

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from Europe, and they were able
to scan and discover this corridor above the

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original entrance of the Kufu Pyramid,
the Great Pyramid. But what people don't

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understand is this data has been held
almost at ransom and they have not been

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allowed to release the full spectrum of
their discoveries. There's a number of other

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discoveries of other rooms, apparently in
corridors that have not been released to the

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public because the Antiquities Department doesn't feel
that the public's ready. That's one.

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That's one reason. And the other
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blunt about this, the Egyptians,
the Antiquities Department, and the people behind

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it have a complex. They do
not want to have a notoriety of these

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new discoveries by anyone other than the
Egyptians. And if you saw the Netflix

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special with the Zai hiwas doctor Hawas
excavating parts of what he thinks is a

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new pyramid. He is very specific
in his language of not wanting future discoveries

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to be outside of Egypt. He
can't control this. But they are cont

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controlling the narrative. And this doesn't
just happen in Egypt. This happens in

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Mexico all the time. And we
are left hands tied because we do not

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live there. You know, they
want our money, but they want us

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to be bound by their rules and
their regulations, and unfortunately it's a bit

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backwards. You know, they're thinking
is backwards and it is restrictive, and

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it's extremely frustrating. So again,
Beyones work, excuse me, yeah,

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Beones work and Malanga scan the Kufu
Pyramid. I have had doctor Manuseesiday as

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well as Mark Carlotto speak about this
scan. It is a significant scan.

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I have a full version of the
scan on our Facebook page. But they

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did not ask permission. They wrote
a book about it, and I'm sure

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the Egyptian authorities are very unhappy.
This kind of technology is giving us a

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real good idea of just how sophisticated
the ancients were. It's beginning to look

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like the historians don't want us to
know that these pre dynastics, these early

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people in Egypt had this technology.
And we'll here today from Mark in the

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last part of this interview where he
actually believes that this Hiwara Labyrinth is of

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the earlier epoch and it dates between
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thirty thousand years from this inception point. Those are unrealistic numbers for present day

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scientists. But you know what,
these people have got to release the burden

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of data that is old. It
is, it is not accurate, and

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it is deceiving to tell people that
these early people who built the pyramid,

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who built many of the temples and
buildings like the Osirian, which is a

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total anomaly. And I mean I
can probably name twenty different buildings that are

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not from any other period but pre
Dynastic, a pre period that ends around

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nine thousand, five hundred years ago, so prior to nine thousand, five

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hundred years ago, or excuse me, five hundred BC, which is twelve

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thousand, five hundred years ago.
There was the end of the last Epoch,

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and I'm discovering and many of the
people we have on earth, ancients,

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are revealing that there was a very
sophisticated culture who built not only the

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pyramid, but many of the structures, many of the underground structures that we'll

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hear about, not only today,
But every week that we have somebody talking

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about Egypt is bringing this up.
So Earth Agients is about revealing this data

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in as professional a manner as possible. We don't get into ancient aliens.

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This is not the work of aliens. This is not the work of some

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off world group. Although if we
talk about the Maya, they do have

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an ancient, ancient history of working
with star people, but that's not the

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Egyptians. The Egyptians are a different
look. I think that the ancestors,

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the earlier epochs were very likely as
sophisticated as we were, which means that

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they were able to leave the planet
in vehicles and study other planetary systems.

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That's my belief, and we don't
have time to talk about that right now.

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That's my general belief. So anyhow, today's program is a situation where

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we have evidence from the Greeks,
Herodotus, we have Flinders Petrie, we

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have other people that we're going to
hear about today that are done ground penetrating

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radar, which is good to hear
and have come back with solid evidence of

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an underground system of buildings and rooms
and pillars and so forth and so on,

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And why the authorities do not jump
into that well a lot of reasons,

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no money, no ambition to do
this, restrictive nature, and it

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goes on and on and on and
on. So the purpose of Earth Ancients

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is to bring you data on a
new paradigm, a new paradigm of revelational

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science, a new paradigm of discovering
technology. And the new paradigm is opening

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us to understand who our ancestors were. And we're using the latest technology ground

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penetarian radar, satellite scans, saar
technology, and software scanning tools that can

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penetrate solid grantite and stone, and
on and on and on to reveal the

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ancients technology. It's time to move
on from this old, dead rhetoric you've

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been fed for decades, rhetoric that
tombs were burials of pharaohs, you know,

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and that the pre dynastic people were
simple, that they were hunters and

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gatherers. Our Orthodox history, for
the most part, when it comes to

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ancient cultures, is guesswork, complete
guesswork. It's asked backwards as well,

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it's completely asked backwards. So I
want to play a short audio from a

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video that I'll post on the Earth
Ancient Facebook page on the Mattaiah expedition of

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two thousand and eight. This is
the first time that ground penetrating radar is

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used at Hawara, and there's a
pyramid there, and there's this labyrinth that

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they discoverers have a quick listen Howara
situated ninety kilometers south of Cairo and location

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of the legendary Labyrinth of Egypt.
In the Renaissance period, some attempts were

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made to make a graphic reconstruction of
the colossal structure based on the writings of

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Herodotus and Strabo, who visited the
labyrinth in the Roman period. Two levels,

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twelve palaces, and no less than
three thousand chambers. In eighteen eighty

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eight, archaeologist Flinders Petrie discovered a
stone plate at the foot of the pyramid,

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measuring three hundred and four by two
hundred and forty four meters and covered

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under five meters of sand. He
made the generally accepted assumption that this was

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the foundation of the disappeared labyrinth.
The young Belgian artist Louis de Cordier doubted

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this theory, and in the beginning
of two thousand and eight he financed and

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led the Mattahar Exhibition. His thesis
proved to be reality. A professional team

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of geophysicists discovered a vast grid of
walls underneath the stone plate. This alleged

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foundation might very well be the roof
of the still existing labyrinth. The large

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amount of underground scanning data is analyzed
by the geophysicists of the National Research Institute

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of Astronomy and Geophysics. Soon Polygon
Graphics will present a three dimensional visualization based

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on the geophysic results, which will
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about the Labyrinth of Egypt. So
that's the Mattia expedition from two thousand and

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eight. They brought in what looked
like at that time the best ground penetrating

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radar equipment. That's when they put
a system together on wheels and they push

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it across the surface of the snut
of the sand, and they get back

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and reading, and then they compile
it it all into a page and you

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can see various high and low spots, and so forth and so on.

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We'll hear from Mark today on exactly
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this before we get to the interview. I have found most of the photographs

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and graphs from Mark's article and they
will be placed on the Earth Ancient's Facebook

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page, which automatically goes to the
Earth Ancient's website and then you can find

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it under Facebook feed there if you're
not a fan of social media. So

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so lots to cover today, and
the program is Egypt's Forgotten Labyrinth and my

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guest today is doctor Mark Carlato.
There are so many marvelous buildings, temples,

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pyramids and structures in Egypt that there's
actually too many to count. And

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one of the big challenges I've had
for a number of years is that the

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look, the analysis, the descriptions
are very one sided or very what I

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would say myopic, which means that
they're from an Egyptological point of view and

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not really passed through other lenses.
And when I say lenses, these are

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other scientific fields, be it engineering, be it chemistry, physics, whatever.

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And when you bring in these other
sciences and you start looking at say

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the pyramids or temples or things like
that, you begin to see it from

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a different point of view. And
this has been an this is my opinion,

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this has been a problem for Egyptologists
for a long long time. When

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they begin to hear from engineers who
say, this pyramid could not have been

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a tomb simply because this, this, and this, this temple could not

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have been built at this time because
of this, this and this, So

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long story short, My guest today
is doctor Mark Carlotto. We've had Mark

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on quite a few times, and
I love having Mark on the program because

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I love to hear what he has
to say. He usually says some great

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stuff. But if you don't know
who Mark Carlotto is used an aerospace engineer

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with thirty years of experience. But
more importantly, Mark is a satellite imagery

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remote sensing expert, and what that
means is that he can tell what the

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hell is coming off these satellites when
they're imaging various buildings from miles above the

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Earsatmos. And this is opening up
this research that he's doing in others is

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opening up a whole different narrative about
these ancient buildings. And Mark has written

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an article on his excellent Before Atlantis
website on this labyrinth that we've talked about

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in the past. It's called the
Labyrinth, the Colossi and the Lake New

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evidence of advanced prehistoric civilizations in the
Fayum, and this labyrinth has been discussed

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for centuries probably and we're going to
bring Mark on in a second, but

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I just want to mention that in
Night in twenty fifteen, I had doctor

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Carmen Bolter on the program. She
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this series called The Pyramid Code.
And within that program she mentioned the labyrinth

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and we'll talk a little bit about
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small mention until now. And this
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labyrinth and it's been discussed, like
I said, for centuries. And Mark

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Carlotto, it's great to see you. Thanks for joining me today on Earth

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Ages. How you been nice to
see a clip. It's been a while.

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That's a long winded introduction for you, but like I said, it's

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great to have you on the program. Let's start by asking what was what's

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the interest? I mean, you
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there's these wonderful temples. What was
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did you fall into this research on
this labyrinth? Well, clip, as

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you know, I'm still I'm still
gainfully employed, and I was actually looking

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for some data for a project that
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where you take satellite images and you
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And I thought, you know,
let me just let me go to let

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me, let me just go to
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that I find interesting. You know, like on Google Earth, you can

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get an image anywhere practically, And
for some reason, I thought, ah,

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let me go, let me go
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a member of a sort of an
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about it often on the last couple
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do you I wonder if there's any
any SAR imagery over Houara. Yeah,

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imagery wasn't suitable for my project,
but I saw something in it that I

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didn't expect, and uh, you
know so much just serendipity in this,

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in this business, in this trade, in this uh whatever it is that

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we're doing this endeavor, this quest, and uh so I just pursued it

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and one thing to another, and
so here we are. That's a that's

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an interesting answer, but I appreciate
it now real quickly. When we talk

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about SAR, I discovered that geologists
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the volatility of I guess it's you'd
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the lava flow, and I guess
it's the use it for early warning.

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But how did you discover that they
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that the USGS, you know,
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Team annually does is just scan huge
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it up here or what well?
I mean, Synthetic aperture radar has been

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around for decades, but I don't
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but I know the European Space Agency
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and they have Sentinel one, which
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over and it collects data periodically over
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for doing for doing change attection you're
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with SAR is you can do something
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taken from exactly the same location.
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detect changes that are very very subtle, like changes in lava flows and things

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like that that you were that you
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you know, great interest to the
geological community for that and you know,

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for other reasons as well. Okay, so you had been doing some research

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on this labyrinth and you found these
these SARS scans. Let's go back a

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little early. What do we know
about this, uh, this labyrinth.

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We know that the her story and
the Greek historian Herodotus talk a great deal

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about it. So let's talk about
the school back a little bit. And

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what does he say about this site. Well, he seems to be the

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primary source that others reference. Others
may have seen it as well, but

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he's the best documented and it's the
most detailed description. As you know,

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we we learned nothing from the Egyptians
about the site. There was no record,

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no mention of this otherwise. So
it was in the you know,

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in Herotis Herodotus's history that he writes
about it. And uh, you know,

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I in the article on on before
Atlantis, on the on the labyrinth

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and the Colossi in the lake.
You know, I have I pull all

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the sort of original Herodicis quotes and
he you know, talks about this this

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feature that was you know, relatively
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That he was quite impressed by.
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wonders in Egypt and other parts of
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know, clearly impressed by it.
And he talks about not only what we

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you know, what we see the
ruins at the surface, but something that

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was below ground. And he was
denied access to that the Egyptian priests would

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not let him in. But there
was something there and and so that was

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you know, really the beginning of
the of the myth of of not only

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the labyrinth, but this underground portion
that may still be there, perhaps someone

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intact. So this is this is
where it all began. And it's been

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a lot of a lot of speculation
really about it, I would say,

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until I mean it. It was. It was Flinder's Petrie and and Lepsius

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and others that were in the area
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with the first excavations and finding finding
the ruins of of of something that had

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been you know, clearly taken apart
in and repurposed like you know, like

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the Egyptians and others often do you
you know, the materials are scarce and

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expensive and you reuse them. Right. One of the areas that I would

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like to get your impression on is
the age of this site. Now I've

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seen a few videos of the Hawara
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And what's really weird is when you
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stone. So when you're saying that
it was perhaps enhanced or other groups,

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maybe Early Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, Late Kingdom, or somebody was in

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there modifying it, it sure looks
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about the age and the modifications.
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of i'm an nhead, the third
i'm an endhead being mud. We're clearly

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uh inferior construction, later construction than
what had come before that. And so

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you have not only the pyramid,
but you have the funerary complex mortuary complex

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below it, and you know,
there's been elements of that that have been

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excavated, and you know, I've
seen a number of films online and it's

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you know, the site is in
the state of you know, advanced decay.

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There really hasn't been much done to
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concern about that, particularly to the
south and closer to the canal for reasons

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that you know, we can maybe
get into later having to do the water.

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But yeah, I mean, you
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many times have we seen this where
you have inferior construction built over something that's

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much more sophisticated in terms of materials, workmanship, and so forth. And

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that's what we have that took place
and an end had the third was I

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believe it was that like twelfth Dynasty. I can't I'm not really, I

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don't remember. I don't remember.
It's much. Yeah. So when you

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use that pyramid as a measuring tool
and the current scans of what we think

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is the labyrinth, what do we
think for an original date of construction?

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Would we say, you actually write
about this, but I want you to

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tell me a little more about it. Would this be pre Ice age,

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would it be a few thousand years
before? Would it be prior to the

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Dynastics? What what is your feeling
on the antiquity of this place? Well,

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first of all, I don't think
the labyrinth has anything to do with

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the pyramid. Okay, I don't
think it has anything to do with the

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mortuary complex. I don't think it's
part of it. So I think there's

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at least three things there. There's
a pyramid of the mortuary complex, labyrinth,

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and there may be even there also
appear to be structure structures to the

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north. Now, don't I don't. I'd like to defer discussion on how

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old I think it is, because
this is going to tie into the before

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Atlantis narrative, which is, you
know, my primary research interest. But

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it's not, you know, it's
not the hammer of that makes everything look

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like a nail, you know,
I mean, it is what it is.

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I have a theory about previous civilizations
and poll shifts that has really nothing

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to do with this paper. However, it provides a context at the end

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for interpreting some of the results,
and the results have to do with how

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these things are aligned. And let
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alignment of the labyrinth, or what
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to be a geometrical structure of the
size Blenders Peatree talks about. It is

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oriented in a different direction than the
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which tells me that it's completely independent, and I believe it's far more

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ancient because it's by virtual of the
fact that's also buried and buried quite deeply,

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at least the underground part. Let's
talk about Flinder's Petrie, because he

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writes a great deal about this,
and I didn't know that the pyramid and

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the mortuary facility is not part of
it. I thought it was all kind

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of interconnected. Did Petrie make that
distinction or how did how did you come

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to that conclusion? Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't know. I

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was trying to piece it together,
trying to sort of read in between the

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lines. You know. He he
excavated, excavated stuff that was at the

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surface. He found, he found
artifacts, you know, a lot of

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a lot of debris, not enough
to reconstruct much in the way of foundations

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or a ground plan, although he
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a sense of the scale of the
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and uh, you know, and
and based on that, you know,

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I came up with an estimate of
what I thought the area was,

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you know, and you know,
it was the earliest and probably you know,

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the best survey has you know,
quite a few illustrations in his book.

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I forget the title of it.
One of as many books. That's

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all. It's all available open source
now. You can download all this stuff

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and read it for free, right
and there's links on the website to that.

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the primary source that that I used

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to sort of establish the fact that
that he found something there and he determined

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an approximate size. And the reason
I felt that was important is that the

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other the other work that you know, we've been talking about, the Matama

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and the and the Bolt and Bolter, Yeah, Carmen Bolter, Carmen Bolter,

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that was based on just sort of
doing you know, doing some sensing,

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or in the case of the Matama, was doing you know, doing

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a sort of ground based surveys.
So it's it's sort of like sort of

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like the soda straw, You're looking
very close up at something that may be

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you know, much much larger.
So I was kind of interested. It's

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kind of a long winded answer,
but I was kind of interested in with

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the sort of synoptic view, can
we get sort of a can we can

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we get some evidence that says,
yeah, okay, here it is right

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here, rather than you have a
little bit of that you know here in

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this you know, that we're seeing
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So I was really interested kind of
in the scope, the scale of

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it and how that compared to what
Petrie found and what I and what I

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found was very consistent with what he
was, very consistent with his survey.

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Okay, describe the what you believe
what Petrie believed was the entire structure of

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this labyrinth, because what I didn't
realize is that it's on the surface,

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there's a portion on the surface,
and then somehow you enter the labyrinth and

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there's multiple levels. Apparently, isn't
that what what was the thinking? Well,

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I mean that that some of these
scans seem to show multiple levels.

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But again, uh, you know, we can get into it maybe a

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little bit later. How they did
the scan, with the technology they used,

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you know, the methods, none
of that was published, so who

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really knows. But let's let's just
you know, sticking with what Petrie found.

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He you know, he he he
walked through and above the ground structure,

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and he talks about it, all
these rooms and chambers, and it

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was it was a massive in scale, and there was this underground portion of

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it as as well. And I
mean, I'm sorry that was herodoonous.

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What Patrion talks about is discovering these
ruins and believing that he was dealing with

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the foundation of a structure. Okay, so he thought he was dealing with

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the foundation of the labyrinth. What
then became evident subsequently that was the possibility

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that what he found was not necessarily
the foundation of the labyrinth, but it

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could have been the roof of something
that remained, that still existed underground.

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So we're a multi layered structure.
That wouldn't be the foundation, that would

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just be what that was built on, which was, you know, a

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structure below that. And we actually
find that, you know, levels of

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building building, buildings over buildings over
the buildings. We find that in places

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such as Rome, you know,
the the Ballbeck is another example. There's

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like nine layers or seven seven layers
of construction, you know, the Western

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Wall, and you find this throughout
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building over is not is not revolutionary, so it's it's like a lot of

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iological things. So this is sort
of this is the basis for what I

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was looking for. Was like if
Peatree surveyed something that was a certain size

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and that's not the foundation if that's
in fact the roof of this structure,

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that structure underground that could still be
there is going to be about a certain

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area. So what I found was
something that was about that area. Okay,

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and I and to you know,
to get a little bit ahead of

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things. So I want to get
a little bit more into the star stuff,

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into the remote sensing. What what
synthetic aperture radar can do at certain

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wavelengths is that it can penetrate dry
sand, desert sand. They can look

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arow the surface. So it's called
ground penetrating radar, and you can do

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it from space. You don't have
to be you know, dragging a sled.

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You know, that's how they do
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They're dragging these sleds and they're mapping
what's underground. And that's what the

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the matama. And I hope I'm
pronouncing that correctly. I apologize if i'm

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not. But the results of their
work were actually we're published and you know

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again links are those are are provided
in the papers in on the website.

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Yeah, give us a real quick
summary of the size, because when I

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saw your your your article, the
thing's huge. It's not like a like

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a temple, it's like five or
six It's like it's like a couple of

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city blocks square. Right, Yeah, I have I have to I have

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to find the exact size. I'm
not going to find it. I'm just

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i was just looking online. But
it's uh, it's it's it's enormous.

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I mean it's so large that you
can pick it up from space. Now,

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if you look at the if you
look at the pyramids, these a

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plateau as large as they are in
in this particular SAR sensor Sentinel one,

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it has a resolution of about five
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So something's got to be really big
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the labyrinth is big enough. There's
there's there's there's a lot of pixels.

406
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.280
There's uh, there's tens of pixels
across and and and widthwise. So it's

407
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:15.239
it's definitely resolvable and it's large.
Now Petrie surveyed the site. Did he

408
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.440
come back with with the specific numbers
or did the satellite actually enhance what he

409
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.119
suggested was the size? Well,
he he has in his book, he

410
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:32.360
has drawings and he references a scale
that was defined in another drawing so putting,

411
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.039
you know, doing a little detective
work. I kind of went back

412
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.039
and figured it out, Okay,
what's this, what's the scale? And

413
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:44.320
his drawing in feet and so I
was able to back out what at least

414
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.480
what the I think it was the
one dimension was because the only showed part

415
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.000
part of it. It didn't show
a fully you know, a fully intact

416
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.360
square enclosure. It was like part
of it, and it was you know,

417
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.559
somewhat you know, somewhat stylized.
I mean it was you know,

418
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.639
they were like, you know,
how they drew things back then, they

419
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.719
embellished things artistically, So yeah,
it was it wasn't it was you know,

420
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:14.480
artist artistic license. And but I
mean in terms of the dimensions,

421
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:19.559
I you know, I was able
to determine what they were. And two

422
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.760
hundred and seventy five thousand square feet, Oh my god. Yeah, if

423
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:25.679
you convert that, well, I
don't have it in front of me.

424
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.280
I was trying to think, if
that's not like that's like a I was

425
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.800
gonna say, that's not a quarter
a mile. It's pretty huge. It's

426
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:37.400
like in terms of acres. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's huge.

427
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:42.840
That is that's a monster. Now, I what does Petre say about what

428
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.199
he discovered in terms of getting underground. I don't think he was able to

429
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:51.159
get underground, was he No,
No, he doesn't talk. I'm not

430
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.960
sure. I don't think he says
anything about that. I think he just

431
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:59.039
talks about what he found at the
surface. So what does he in the

432
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:04.079
books, in his writings. Does
he suggest that what he has on the

433
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:10.199
surface, which what I've seen is
heavily eroded, very very decomposed, and

434
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.760
very little left. Yeah, of
course, even though he lived one hundred

435
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:21.960
years before us, was there more
there than what we see today. Has

436
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:28.840
it been further excavated or pillaged or
we just don't know? I mean,

437
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.039
judging by some of his I think
there's a few photos and his drawings,

438
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:37.440
it seems that what's there today has
been It's in many in many ways I

439
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:43.679
think, degraded. Just the desert
environment, you know, just sand moving

440
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:46.519
around and covering things up. You
know, you can dig a hole and

441
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:51.480
it'll be filled up, you know, after a certain period of time,

442
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:58.880
and so you know, it's hard
to see really much surface detail. In

443
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.880
fact, one of the experiments I
did was trying to find an image that

444
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.320
showed some surface detail and I was
able to find one that was a low

445
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:10.559
lower sun angle, one that showed
you know, a little bit of relief

446
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.239
there. But it's very very kind
of random and chaotic. I mean,

447
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.079
you can almost you can see some
pattern at the surface, but I think

448
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.639
a lot more of it is to
the north, and you know, it's

449
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:28.480
it's again, it's not been managed
or preserved in any in any way.

450
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.960
So I think short answer to your
question is, I think it's gone downhill

451
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.119
since Petrie's time. Wow, So
no one's really cared for it whatsoever.

452
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.880
In the films I've seen, it's
it's sort of like they bring people out

453
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.960
there just to show them, but
it's it's it's not the sort of it's

454
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.320
not like it's not one of the
big stops on in the in the Egypt

455
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.039
because other than the mud brick pyramid, which is kind of boring, is

456
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.440
heavily eroded. There's nothing to see. There's really nothing to see. All

457
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.000
right, let's talk about this.
Actually we're there are things that there you

458
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.199
can actually crawl into things, I
mean there are things you can crawl into,

459
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.880
and there are things that are filled
with water. And that's that's a

460
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:17.599
concern because uh, lake is that. My concern is that the the labyrinth,

461
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.440
which is well anything actually along the
canal there, there's a there's a

462
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.199
canal that was built there or rebuilt, and the history that's very interesting it

463
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.199
was it actually that canal actually and
you know there's a there's a waterway that

464
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:37.920
you're familiar with it that actually used
to go to the west of the site,

465
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:44.079
well west and during the I don't
know, it was like a couple

466
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:49.039
of thousand years ago. It started
anyway, started filling up with silt and

467
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.199
was not usable as a canal water. So they decided, the Egyptian government

468
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:58.559
decided to redig a canal, and
they couldn't dig it further to the west.

469
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.800
They couldn't they didn't want to dig
it out for some reason. They

470
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.719
didn't want to go further to the
west because the train actually drops off.

471
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.239
So they decided the only way to
do it was actually to put it right

472
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:14.880
through the middle of the labyrinth.
And there's actually some records of the of

473
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:20.159
these excavations and what they found and
what do they what do they find like

474
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:28.280
pillars or walls or well, they
found the remnants of a they found evidence,

475
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.679
and they found evidence of a settlement
that had been built like it was

476
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:39.960
like dynastic times that in that era
built from the materials sort of repurposing materials

477
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:46.920
that had that were there, presumably
having dug into something happening to do it

478
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.079
with the labyrinth, and I think
it was the underground portion and taking some

479
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:57.039
of that and just you know,
use using stones and whatever as as needed.

480
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.360
And this was right, This is
right where that canal cuts through.

481
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:09.800
And what just makes me wonder more
than anything is why no one has started

482
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.719
from the canal. And if you
take it, if you see a picture

483
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.400
of it, the canal is well
below ground level, twenty or thirty people

484
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.719
low ground level at least. I
think. Also it's an underground canal that

485
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.800
they cut in with cement and they
put some men in or no, no,

486
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.880
no, no, it's all.
No, it's not. And this

487
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.559
is where having having some photos to
talk about would be so much easier.

488
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:37.679
Anyway, there's a photo in the
I think it's in the article, one

489
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.480
of the articles, one of the
papers, and it shows the canal and

490
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.559
you can see that how it cuts
through the landscape with the area of the

491
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:52.079
labyrinth to the right of it,
and it's it's like twenty or thirty people

492
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.159
low ground level. So what I
wonder is if you just started at the

493
00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.639
level of the canal and started just
excavating to the east, you would run

494
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:06.159
right into the labyrinth. It's it's
going to be right there. And a

495
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.599
concern is that because it's so close
to the canal, that it's going to

496
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:13.679
be flooded. At least the lower
courses. Uh, there are multiple levels

497
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.480
would be flooded, and that would
be a concern. Like with the pyramid

498
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.199
to the north and its foundations,
that the water is, you know,

499
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:28.039
eating away at the at the granite
slowly, but it is and it's in

500
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.880
a state of degradation. That's another
discussion. Why the authorities don't jump on

501
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.000
that and consider it. Uh,
that's we'll talk about that towards the end.

502
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:42.360
There's a there's a lot of threads
here clipped and yeah, and preservation

503
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.360
isn't isn't my thing? Again?
My thing was looking at this star image

504
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.280
and saying to myself, what the
heck is that? I mean, I

505
00:46:52.280 --> 00:47:00.599
immediately saw this thing and it was
about where herodotus that it would be.

506
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:07.360
But it didn't match either his drawing
exactly in terms of the the the orientation.

507
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.679
It didn't match any of the any
of the earlier work that we talked

508
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.559
about. It was close, but
it didn't correlate exactly, but it was

509
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:22.880
it was there, and so I
wrote the initial paper. I did initial

510
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:28.719
analysis, I posted it as a
working paper. I summarized it, which

511
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:32.920
is the the the post on Before
Atlantis, and I started talking to people

512
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:38.480
about it, and people had some
ideas what I should do next, and

513
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:42.840
I did them, and I sort
of led to a follow follow up paper

514
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:47.400
that I also have published as a
working paper. The links to it is

515
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.320
also on on the Before Atlantis web
page, and it gets into much more

516
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:58.360
detail into the methods I used.
So how you know exactly the images I

517
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.440
used, the methods I used,
every thing step by step. What I

518
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:07.320
did is published, and that's why
I say it's really the first verifiable evidence

519
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:13.400
of this because I'm not claiming any
proprietary magic technology. You know, I

520
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:19.400
haven't done this research under the sponsorship
of the of and subject to the approval

521
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.840
of the Egyptian government or anyone else. It's totally independent, so I can

522
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:28.000
publish this. You know. What
happened previously was results were published and the

523
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:34.599
group Mazuma Expedition. They were actually
denied further permits to do any any additional

524
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:40.239
work in Egypt. I find that
so strange. So the Mataja Exhibition expedition

525
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:46.119
did seek approval by the Antiquities Department, Is that your suggesting? So they

526
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:52.199
were they it was a multidisciplinary effort
out of Ghent University. I think it's

527
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.480
said, is that in Belgium or
the Netherlands, I'm not sure. Yeah,

528
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.519
two thousand and eight is when they
did this, right, let's talk

529
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:06.760
about what they found good well,
and their research actually was published and they

530
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:15.239
did different types of surveys using using
electrical resistivity and ground penetrating, you know,

531
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:22.199
different ways of looking below the surface. And actually they have a published

532
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.519
paper and they have maps of what
they found. But I kind of,

533
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.000
you know, sort of referred to
it earlier as like a soda straw,

534
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:36.559
because something that's two hundred and seventy
five thousand square feet, if you're looking

535
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:38.960
at it, you know, pulling
something that's a few feet in you know,

536
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:44.159
you know, by by a few
feet, You're you're mapping things at

537
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.199
a very high resolution, but it's
sort of like you're seeing the trees,

538
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:52.639
but are missing the forest and so
you know that, and they were able

539
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:58.119
to verify and there in their work
that there appeared to be vertical structures that

540
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:02.559
could be walls, suggest seeing that
there were rooms or caverns below ground.

541
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.119
So there was in other words,
they detected evidence of something below ground that

542
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:14.079
was structured that could be architectural not
not geological. And uh and and you

543
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.679
know so that those that work was
was was peer reviewed, it was published,

544
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:24.880
but evidently it was not done.
They didn't follow all the the proper

545
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:30.280
procedures and they you know, they
got in trouble with the with the Egyptian

546
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:36.119
authorities. Yeah, this is what's
happening with a lot of scientists is that

547
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:40.239
they're going beyond. They're not waiting
for approval. They're they're getting their work

548
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:45.639
done with satellites and this saying,
you know, can't be bothered because they

549
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:53.239
they it's problematic. You're dealing with
antiquated society. Yeah, and clippers and

550
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.639
there's nothing sensational about it. It's
like, you know, these are these

551
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.800
are sensing techniques. It's like you
take a picture the camera, you know,

552
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:06.199
cameras don't lie, Yeah, and
they show you what you know,

553
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.559
what's there, and these things show
you what's what's there, So it's like

554
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:14.119
it's not like anyone's making it up
or spinning some kind of yarn and they

555
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:17.280
have some some agenda and they're they're
they're making up all of the data.

556
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:21.400
It's you can go and you can
actually get you know, the data that

557
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.360
I used, and there's there's actually
quite a bit more out there you can

558
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:30.000
download and it takes you need some
special tools to do it, but it's

559
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.280
available and it's easily verified. And
you know, why anyone would object to

560
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:38.480
this is beyond me. Without getting
into personalities, it looks to me that

561
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:46.000
the Egyptological community in Egypt, the
Antiquities department, has a inferiority complex.

562
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:52.079
Sahi Oast just did a Netflix program
and he basically says that if it's not

563
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.280
discovered by Egyptians, then it's not
we don't want to deal with it,

564
00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.679
and this is what's happening. They're
kind of pushing away. Well, and

565
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:07.000
I kind of understand what he's saying, because most of the discoveries have been

566
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:12.440
made by the big ones have been
made by other countries, and before a

567
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:16.320
few, you know, less than
one hundred years ago, Egypt was was

568
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:23.360
was run by nomads. There was
no government there and so they're trying to

569
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:30.320
catch up. And this is what
I see. I see a problem before

570
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.280
politics. Yeah, it's politics,
but there's also I'm serious, it's an

571
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.400
inferiority complex. We're not good enough, so we're only going to do it.

572
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.280
And Zahi Juass is the spokesman,
and this is somebody who should not

573
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:50.440
be speaking for ancient Egypt. Let's
talk more about the Metama expedition. They

574
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:55.159
used very low frequency electromagnetics surveys.
You have a and by the way that

575
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:00.519
those of you listening, there will
be a gallery from Mars that I'm going

576
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:04.239
to post on the Facebook page that
has all these images for you to look

577
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:08.719
at. You can see all these
different scans in the different programs. Let's

578
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:15.679
get into the spaceport radar imaging with
the Sentinel one and I guess it's under

579
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:25.039
the Compernicus initiative that they launched five
different missions and within that, I think

580
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:32.440
you're saying that they scanned the area
that we are considering the labyrinth number of

581
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:39.000
times. Yeah, I think the
revisit rate is like fourteen days or something

582
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:44.559
like that. So the that's for
the star and you know, again they

583
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:51.840
have but they have different different satellites
that visible band that that you know,

584
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.800
image at you know some I think
some other frequency, some other rate.

585
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.159
But it's pretty you know, it's
pretty regular. And this is know,

586
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.719
this is something that I don't know
if you've heard of Lansat Lancet, Oh,

587
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.480
yeah, it's around for years.
Yeah, it's one of the first

588
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.039
remote sense commercial remote sensing satellites.
You know, they have a you know,

589
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:15.360
they their orbits are designed to fly
over you know, at the same

590
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.079
local time, so it's controlled sun
angle and and and you know, they

591
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:23.559
so you know, commercial remote sensing
using optical imagery multi spectral is is very

592
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:30.360
well known and SAR was because the
satellite is more expensive. They they didn't

593
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.320
really they haven't become commercially viable until
more, you know, more recently.

594
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.480
I mean, if they've been around
for I think a couple of decades now,

595
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.400
but you know, Lansie goes back
to the seventies I think. But

596
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.519
yeah, these these satellites fly over
at a pretty you know, pretty regularly.

597
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.960
So and the reason they do that
is for you know, you know,

598
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.840
I talked about change detection monitoring changes
like you know, like in with

599
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:58.360
with forest fires, for example,
with SAR, SAR can see through smoke,

600
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.760
so you can and you can assess
what's going on even you know,

601
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:07.000
under dense cloud cover, smoke,
you know, what have you It sees

602
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.559
through that. And with even well, depending on the wavelength, and these

603
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.199
are you know, these are basically
radio waves, so changing the wavelength,

604
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:20.679
going to a little longer wavelength that
actually penetrates into the ground. And that's

605
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:25.639
the modality that you know is exploited
in what's called ground penetrating radar. And

606
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:29.199
that's that's what I did. That's
what I That's what I did here.

607
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:35.719
So talk about the sentinel imagery that
you publish, because you have one image

608
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:40.119
that is next to this canal.
Yeah that if I kind of squint my

609
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:46.480
eyes, I can see a little
it looks like structural walls here and there.

610
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.639
And then you have another one that's
a little smaller where it's you're outlining

611
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:58.840
with with squares what you believe could
have been a big area that may be

612
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.280
the laborage. So talk a little
little bit about the images. Okay,

613
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.119
good, we're on the same we're
on the same page, so to speak.

614
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:10.679
So yeah, the larger one shows
the sentinel SAR next to basically the

615
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:15.000
you know, the ground image,
the Google Earth image, which is which

616
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.599
is from another satellite. It's actually
from a a you know, it's a

617
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:23.679
visible band Worldview or some other satellite, and it shows you know how how

618
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:29.519
who are looks you know, if
you were to look down to humanize and

619
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.000
with the SAR is you know how
it looks like to if you have radio

620
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:37.000
frequency eyes, so to speak.
Anyway, so the star, it's a

621
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.360
it's a false color. So I
take two bands, this something called v

622
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:47.360
H which is vertically transmitted and horizontally
polarized received radiation in BB which is vertically

623
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:53.480
sent and vertically polarized received. And
polarization is basically the sort of direction that

624
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:59.639
the electromagnetic wave sort of wiggles around
in. So it's sent out vertically,

625
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.039
you know, it's up down,
and then the vv is kind of what

626
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.800
you get back in the same direction, and the VH is what you get

627
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:10.559
back in the horizontal direction, and
it changes the polarization. Certain things will

628
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.760
change the polarization, like surface rough
surfaces, certain types of corner reflectors,

629
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:21.920
and I what I actually show,
you know, in the below I annotate

630
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.400
a couple of features. One is
A is a sort of a circular blob,

631
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:31.559
and that's actually a return from a
from a electrical transmission tower that goes

632
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:35.480
through the area, so that you
know, star is really good to pick

633
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.679
on up stuff like that because it's
made out of metal. So that's that's

634
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.599
one feature that's sort of like a
reference point. And then B and C

635
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:50.800
that I show are actually seem to
be rectilinear sort of structures that are correspond

636
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:57.159
to the area that roughly Flinders Petrie
talks about B. And then maybe another

637
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.039
area is similar to it below that. And then there's an area that I

638
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:05.840
labeled D, which also seems to
have the same kind of texture and also

639
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.159
appears to be sort of geometrical,
not not as much, but it's on

640
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:15.920
the other side of the canal.
And and you know, so the hypothesis

641
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:21.199
is that when they built this,
when they rebuilt this canal back, I

642
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.280
forget exactly the data that they you
know, they cut through the labyrinth and

643
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:29.480
they basically you know, used you
know, it was sort of split in

644
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:35.119
half at that point, and so
they've actually already you know, dissected it,

645
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.639
if you will, and if you
were to go either left or right,

646
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:44.719
east or west, you might actually
encounter the structure that seems evident to

647
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:50.960
me from from the imagery here.
This is what's so bothersome for me is

648
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.960
that if they had a sense that
there was an underground structure, why would

649
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:59.760
they put the canal there. It's
destroying And I think you said it was

650
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:06.360
placed thirty feet as deep as thirty
feet, so it may and you just

651
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:14.639
let us know that they found evidence
of of of of stones and structures and

652
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:19.599
other remnants of a building in there, right, Well, it was done

653
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:23.760
at a time when so okay,
So the Fiume is this area. It's

654
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:31.360
geologically it's thought that that Lake Maris, which is in the center of it,

655
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:37.440
was once a much larger paleo lake
that existed at the time, goes

656
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.880
back to the time of the Ice
Age, and that there was some ancient

657
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:45.599
connection between it and the Nile River. But at some point a canal was

658
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:52.920
actually built, and that canal is
to the south of Perrara. What they

659
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:59.199
what what I believe Amanaan had had
started. I think he was the first

660
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:04.119
was to develop the northeastern part of
the of the Fiom and in order to

661
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.639
do that, he needed to get
water there. So this other canal was

662
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:14.000
dug, but it originally went around
Herrara and went to the north, so

663
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:17.559
it kind of went around what would
have been the guestimate of where the labyrinth

664
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:23.000
was. But what happened subsequently is
that it filled with silt and it had

665
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:28.239
to be rebuilt diverted, and the
only option was to put it through the

666
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.960
area of the labyrinth. Whether or
not they they knew what was there at

667
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.840
the time is you know, who
knows, But clearly they had a need

668
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.840
to keep you know, because people
needed water and you know, there were

669
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:44.119
farms and settlements to the north and
they needed the water. So that was

670
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:51.760
that that had priority. We're going
to take a short commercial break and give

671
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.599
our sponsors a chance to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my

672
01:00:55.639 --> 01:01:01.639
guest today, doctor Mark Carlotto,
discuss seeing the Unknown Labyrinth of Egypt.

673
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:40.239
We'll be right back. I guess
today is doctor Mark Carlato, who is

674
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:46.239
an image specialist, and Mark has
followed up on the writings of Herodotus,

675
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:55.199
a Greek historian, and later the
excavations carried out by Flanders Petrie, who

676
01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:01.400
was considered the father of Egyptology in
the eighteen hundreds. What Mark has come

677
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:08.760
up with is evidence for an underground
labyrinth that is tens of thousands of years

678
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:17.039
old. These photographs, these images
are fascinating. I wonder if if you

679
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.440
had a piece of technology, or
maybe you had to write a software application

680
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:28.440
for it, would there be a
way to see more in depth quality of

681
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:34.400
these of these scans that you're showing
from the Sentinel. Yeah, so okay,

682
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:39.599
So so Sentinel is it was is
that's one radar, and that's that's

683
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:46.000
called full polarization, which it sends
vertical and horizontal and receives both vertical and

684
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:50.400
horizontal. And you can figure out
you can so you can do all four,

685
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:57.039
and from doing all four you can
actually begin to tell stuff about the

686
01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:00.960
surface, physical properties of the surface. Okay, And that's what's really cool

687
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:07.519
about Star is that with full polar
metric Star you can back up physical properties

688
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:10.840
of the surface. That's not just
a picture. But I just had access

689
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:15.880
to the V, V and v
H, not all all four. Another

690
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:22.440
another another sensor I I found.
It was called after I wrote this article

691
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:27.719
in the paper, and it did
a more detailed paper and the link to

692
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.719
that is on the website. Okay, And what I what I what I

693
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:37.599
was able to find was a a
second uh source of star imagery, which

694
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:45.599
is the Japanese a los pal palsar, which is a it's it's it's L

695
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:51.920
band, which is which is the
same band. See star star has C

696
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:59.800
band, L band uh x band
uh and that refers to the wavelength.

697
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.400
So the sentinel was C band and
C band can doesn't penetrate that far,

698
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.480
but L band can actually penetrate further
into the surface. And I thought,

699
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.960
oh, this is great. So
now I have two different sources of information

700
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:15.440
and I and I correlated, and
I registered them and I put them together.

701
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.280
And that's what the second paper does. And if you scroll down to

702
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:23.039
the pictures, all the all the
illustrations that are at the end, there's

703
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:27.519
some information that's repeated from the earlier
paper. But what I get much more

704
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:33.920
into detail into the analysis of the
labyrinth. Well, it so figure it's

705
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:41.199
figure nine and it's so it's the
false color image of the C band star

706
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:46.239
which is BB and bh polarization.
That's the sentinel, and then the alice

707
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:51.760
palsar L band star which is hh
and HV so two different polarizations and then

708
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:57.159
I put actually put them together using
a data fusion technique based on something called

709
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:03.119
principal components analysis, and you can
you can see clearly the structure standing out

710
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:08.559
at the bottom there, and so
what you know, So one question when

711
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.000
I was showing this around of people, they said, well can you And

712
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:14.599
this is what I always tell people. You find something in one image,

713
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:17.760
find find another image to corroborate it. So I did. I not not

714
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.880
only is it it's it's it's it's
another story image, but it's actually a

715
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:27.440
different at a different wavelength and a
different sensor, so that's you know,

716
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:31.880
totally independent, and it doesn't show
it as clearly, but it's it's certainly

717
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:36.840
there, and there's information that's correlated
because that comes through the principal component's analysis,

718
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:42.440
which actually does a correlation analysis.
And so that was the first thing

719
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.880
that I thought, Oh, this
is interesting, and you know, like

720
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.719
you asked, there's there's many more
images out there, and presumably we could

721
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:54.599
we could look at those. It's
probably going to show the same thing because

722
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:59.159
I don't think the labyrinth has changed
much for thousands of years, unlike an

723
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.719
active volcano. So there's not a
whole lot you can probably get with that,

724
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:06.679
But if we had some higher resolutions
SAR imagery, it might show more

725
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:10.960
and you know sources that I don't
I don't know. I mean you have

726
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:15.840
to distinctly adjust the I want to
just say, aperture or the software in

727
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:21.440
the in the satellite so that it
penetrates the ground in a certain way to

728
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:26.039
pick up thing. I mean,
it's probably what you're getting most of is

729
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:32.360
a general geological survey rather than anything
that's distinct that's passing through deeper levels or

730
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:39.079
looking for walls or yeah, no, clip that's that's I'm glad you asked

731
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.760
that question because what people then,
you know, said to me is like,

732
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.840
Okay, you've detected something here,
but how do you know it's not

733
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:49.440
on the surface, and you know
there's a lot of debris there. You

734
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:54.280
know, maybe you're just picking up
that that debris that's at the surface.

735
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:59.960
Right. So I thought, okay, let me let me do an a

736
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.159
experiment. And this is this is
kind of the stuff I do for a

737
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:06.480
living. If you have two different
modalities, you have visible light and you

738
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:13.360
have radio waves of radar, uh, they're they're seeing different things. So

739
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:17.599
if if you're if if if you
know, when you look at the visible

740
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.440
image, you can see debris,
you can see stuff at the surface.

741
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:24.360
So the question is is that what
the star is picking up? Well,

742
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:29.440
you can do an experiment where you
try to predict what the star should look

743
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.760
like based on the visible imagery.
It's it's called the predictive analysis or image

744
01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.440
estimation. And you know, I
wrote some papers on this back a few

745
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:40.559
years ago, and I used this
in my day job. So I get

746
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:43.320
paid to do this kind of stuff
as opposed to this, I don't get

747
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:47.039
paid to do this. In fact, this is uh, who's a lot

748
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:53.000
of time and money during this research? But hey, is it the application

749
01:07:53.519 --> 01:08:00.039
or the the labor. It's a
labor of love. Anyway, I digress.

750
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.719
My point is that you can predict
what the sar image should look like

751
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:08.960
from the visible and if there's correlated
if they're both seeing the same thing,

752
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:13.159
it should the visible image should do
a pretty good job of predicting what the

753
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.960
star image looks like. And so
if you scroll down to figure eleven,

754
01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:20.479
and this is getting a little bit
in the weeds, but what I do

755
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.520
is I say, oh, here's
a visible image here's the star image.

756
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.000
Here's what the saramage should look like
based on the visible image. And let

757
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:31.479
me subtract the two, the SAR
and the predicteds are and what you get

758
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.079
out is the stuff that you can't
predict, in other words, the stuff

759
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:41.199
that's not correlated, the stuff that's
in the SAR that's not in the visible.

760
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.600
And my contention is that what's in
the SAR that's not in the visible,

761
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:50.680
these uncorrelated hits are the things that
are underground, because the visible doesn't

762
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:56.439
see underground. The star seeds above
ground and below ground. So what the

763
01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:02.399
shows in red are the areas that
have higher backscatter because something is underground.

764
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:09.199
Wow. So this was my attempt
based on some preliminary discussions and you know,

765
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:12.039
critiques I had just talking to some
people. It's like, yeah,

766
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:14.520
I should try this, and you
know, have you looked at this?

767
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:16.640
And it's like, okay, I
spent I did sort of, I circled

768
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.000
around, I spent a little bit
more time, and I did this and

769
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:24.039
so this is out there and I
actually have some people evaluating this work,

770
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:27.239
so we'll see what where it goes. What do you think I mean,

771
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:34.960
we don't hear about labyrinths in Egypt. It's weird that there isn't more interest

772
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:41.840
by the antiquities group to look at
this. I think that they're afraid that

773
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.880
they might open a can of worms
if they dig into that area, which

774
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:49.880
has been going on for decades.
We have the same problem when it comes

775
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:53.800
to the Pyramid, we have the
same problem when it comes to the Sphinx.

776
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:58.199
They're still stuck one hundred years in
the past and this is their philosophy.

777
01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:04.600
But what is your opinion on this
labyrinth and why it is not more

778
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:12.760
Willey known by the general public.
I mean, this would be a great

779
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:17.239
article for National Geographic. Yeah,
this would be something that the Smithsonian would

780
01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:25.720
would benefit by having. God,
the interest would be huge, you would

781
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:28.399
think, right, I think,
Uh, you know, a couple of

782
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:31.039
reasons that we've touched on. You
go there and you you know, I've

783
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:34.000
seen I haven't been there physically,
but I've seen a lot of videos and

784
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:39.199
there's really not much to see,
right. Yeah, it's not a tourist

785
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.560
visit at all. And it's not
it's not on the tourist it's not on

786
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:46.520
the on the tour routes. It's
you know, it's it's west of the

787
01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:50.640
Nile By. I don't know what
is it fifty kilometers, I don't know,

788
01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:55.359
something like that. So I mean, you're not you know, the

789
01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:58.680
cruise ship. I took a you
know, I took a cruise and you're

790
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:00.720
stopping all these sides. It was
great, you're not going. You're not

791
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:04.319
going to see the labyrinth on that
cruise. Yeah, it's not in the

792
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:08.000
middle. It's kind of out in
the middle. It's south of Cairo By.

793
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:10.840
I don't know. It looks like
ten miles, but I could be

794
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:14.079
wrong. Yeah, it's not a
big stop. So you're saying that because

795
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:17.640
it's not a visible place. It
hasn't been excavated. Of course, it's

796
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:21.760
a very poor country. They don't
have the funds that It's just a nice

797
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:29.680
thought that Herodotus published, that Peachri
published extensively, that you've picked up on

798
01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:33.840
and that others have picked up on. But the truth of the matter is

799
01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:42.199
there's no way that we know if
it's physically visible anymore, because it's ancient

800
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.600
and we don't know how to hell
the access it. Dewey, Well,

801
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.359
you know, I think there's a
mystery there, and I think clearly there's

802
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:54.079
something smoldering. You know, it's
like we you know, we've talked about

803
01:11:54.119 --> 01:12:00.960
the previous expeditions and groups, and
you know this is you know, this

804
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.359
is just I'm alone wolf on this
one. Because you can do a lot

805
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:10.359
with satellite imagery, but it's got
to be anything. This could actually be

806
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:15.720
corroborated very specifically. Taking this result, you could, if you had the

807
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:20.279
means and the funding, you could
go there and based on this, I

808
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.439
can tell you where the edges are. I can say, okay, if

809
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.119
you poke around, if you go
here, you can hit the labyrinth.

810
01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:32.159
If you go here, it's the
outside the bound So we can start to

811
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:38.319
corroborate it based on ground penetrating.
You know these sleds that they pull around,

812
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.359
so you don't have to cover the
whole two hundred and seventy five,

813
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.520
which actually it's more than two seventy
five, because that's only part of the

814
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:48.359
area under below south of the pyramid, the mud pyramid, it's probably twice

815
01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:51.199
that, you know, five hundred
thousand square feet. It's a lot of

816
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:57.000
area. So this this really gives
you the ability to sort of focus in

817
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:01.680
on where the key areas are and
if you could corroborate that yes there's something

818
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:06.039
there. You dig in from from
the canal. The canal is already down,

819
01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.359
you know, twenty or thirty feet, so all you have to do

820
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.359
is sort of dig ino, you
know, dig to the eastern to the

821
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:15.880
west. And because I believe this
is you know, parts of the of

822
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:24.039
the labyrinth on either side and again
references to what the original you know,

823
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:27.760
when when the canal is built,
people you know, people have done histories

824
01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:30.079
on the waterways in this part of
the world. You know, people right

825
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.920
about anything and everything, and so
you just have to dig and you find

826
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:39.880
you know, what's known about this
area and you realize, ah, this

827
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:43.840
this this canal was not original.
This did not originally go through the area

828
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:48.039
is built later on. And so
by dissecting this feature, this labyrinth,

829
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:54.239
it it actually made both The bad
news is that it's you know, the

830
01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:58.279
water tables being higher now because of
this, it could be causing you know,

831
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.199
degradation. But it all so it
could be a way in. Yeah,

832
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.680
by cutting it in half, it's
going to be easier to get in

833
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:09.319
rather than having to dig down.
You can come in at it from the

834
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:13.560
side without maybe spending a lot of
money. And again using this as sort

835
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.119
of a predictive tool to say,
go here, go here, go there.

836
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.239
You're you're not walking around in the
dark. You can you can be

837
01:14:20.359 --> 01:14:24.439
very focused about it. So let
me ask you a questions that I want

838
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:29.560
to move on to the colossa here
in a second. But did Petrie excavate

839
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:33.399
enough sand to get to the roof
of the labyrinth? Or was his speculation

840
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:41.239
that the surface connected with the original
was the first layer a ground layer,

841
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:45.039
and then from the surface you access
the labyrinth from the middle, from the

842
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:49.279
sides or whatever? Did he speculate
Did he come up with any ideas?

843
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:54.800
No, No, this was purely
I think just you know, practically,

844
01:14:54.920 --> 01:15:00.319
you know, he he documented what
he saw, Yeah, and you know

845
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:02.439
that was that. And then that's
what's so great about his work is that

846
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:08.319
his measurements are so precise and so
meticulous. You know, in regards to

847
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:11.880
the pyramids, you know the alignments
and so forth. Here it's a little

848
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.279
different what he did. But you
know, I don't think, you know,

849
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.920
I don't think he was speculating on
underground and you know, I think

850
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:24.720
who knows. I mean, I
you have to read it in between the

851
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:30.319
lines to figure that out. Okay, Uh, there's a lot to still

852
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:35.439
obviously look at. Somebody needs to
throw a few million bucks there. This

853
01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:40.399
is not a solution light Ar will
deal with, because light Ar is not

854
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:44.119
going to help at all, right
right, I think I think it's one

855
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.279
of these things where you you're you're
smart to pick a corner of the labyrinth

856
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:56.039
and dig down one specific area and
see what you find. See and again

857
01:15:56.119 --> 01:16:00.279
this this let me point out if
it's not obvious, this imagery has been

858
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.640
registered to Google Earth, which you
know I use for everything. Yeah,

859
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:09.239
I think I use Google Google Earth
more than my refrigerator. I mean it's

860
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:12.920
yeah, Well, why are you
saying that, because you're you would be

861
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:19.119
concerned that you would be attacked by
the Antiquities Department for for oh no,

862
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:23.880
satellite imagery. No, No.
What I'm saying is that once you get

863
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:30.479
it registered to Google Earth, it's
a it's a geographic base, so you

864
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:35.079
have latitude and longitude. I hear
you. And I've actually set this imagery

865
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:40.359
out for evaluation and I provided all
this and I haven't heard back, and

866
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.960
we'll see where it goes. And
I don't want to talk about I don't

867
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:47.520
want to mention who's looking at it
because it's it's in process. But you

868
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:53.840
know, if if you're looking at
a pixel here versus here in Google Earth,

869
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:56.399
if you just move the curse and
it gives you a latitude and longitude.

870
01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.520
So I mean there's gonna be some
error. Of course, it's not

871
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:01.359
for sise, but it's going to
get your clothes. So you take your

872
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:06.840
GPS on the ground and you walk
to that spot. So it's it's telling

873
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:12.960
you literally where to look. So
it's not that I'm going to get into

874
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.199
trouble. Okay. And so you're
not giving us names because of you don't

875
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:23.439
want to identify the players, but
you're saying there's interest, h a private

876
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:29.079
industry interest of some kind or universe
university is looking at some of the results.

877
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:35.359
Well that's that's so amazing. Okay. Hey, let's let's uh uh

878
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:39.520
For those of you listening, this
is doctor Mark Carlotto I'm speaking with,

879
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:50.039
and we're talking about this uh Hawara
labyrinth in Egypt that has confounded people since

880
01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:57.119
Herodotus wrote about it. And here
we have the father of Egyptology, Flinders

881
01:17:57.159 --> 01:18:00.239
Petrie, spending a great deal at
time. It looks like he spent months

882
01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:08.439
there, perhaps years there surveying and
excavating as much as he could, with

883
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:12.960
probably the hopes. Do you believe
reading his paper that he had a hope

884
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:17.439
to find the entrance way underneath the
surface. No, I don't. I

885
01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:20.119
don't think so. I think it
was I think it was the past.

886
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:24.119
You know, he he was there, and he he was there a couple

887
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:27.199
of different times. And uh,
you know, that wasn't the only thing

888
01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:30.560
he surveyed in the area. The
other thing I read about in the in

889
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:35.560
the paper is the colossi, the
what are called the pedestals of Biomo.

890
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:41.039
She had, you know, he
had something to say about that which actually

891
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:45.079
conflicts, I think quite a bit
with what Herodotus said. So I think,

892
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:50.359
you know, Petrie's description, what
Petris Petrie excavated and what Herodus is

893
01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:59.800
described are fairly consistent. I think
in summary, Petrie excavated the above above

894
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:02.319
grind on portion and thought that he
hit you know, he's dealing with a

895
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:08.560
foundation, whereas it's possible that instead
he was actually dealing with the roof of

896
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:12.399
a structure below ground that's still intact. He didn't, you know, that

897
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:16.359
wasn't something that was said. He
pursued. That's something that's that's a hypothesis

898
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:21.239
that actually has been explored further.
You know now that we have ground penetrating

899
01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:28.479
radar and other technologies in these other
more recent expeditions that we talked about,

900
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:30.279
So there's a lot of interest in
that now. So this is sort of

901
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:34.720
the latest chapter. And yeah,
I think you know one that we we

902
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:41.439
should be able to if there's if
there's desire, and if politically it can

903
01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.159
be worked out. The technology certainly
can can give us an answer. It's

904
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:49.439
not beyond the realm of the knowable. We can we can, we can

905
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:54.600
figure this out. Yeah, it's
it's the problem. The problem is you

906
01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:59.920
have a government that doesn't want you
to find out you're right. It might

907
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:02.479
it might. It might actually be
easier to drain a Locke to find on

908
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:09.119
the lock Nest monster than to the
egypt The Egyptian I don't know. I

909
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:13.399
don't know, I don't know anything
about that. It's it's confounding. We

910
01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:17.159
deal with the same issue in Mexico
when it comes to excavations of sites these

911
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:21.760
it's here we are, this Western
culture. We have all this technology,

912
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:30.920
and we're limited in what we can
apply simply because landowner owners current landowners are

913
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:35.119
not receptive to that kind of what
they believe is an invasion of their privacy.

914
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:41.479
So yeah, it's a challenge.
Hey, let's talk about these pedestals

915
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:47.039
of its Bayimu and it's Herodotus goes
on to describe what he saw north of

916
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:51.840
the labyrinth, and let's talk about
that, because according to this illustration that

917
01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:58.000
you found, there were pretty good
sized megalithic statues. It looks like you

918
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:06.960
call them colossi. Well so so
so Herodotus talks about these these pyramids,

919
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:12.560
these pyramids in the middle of a
lake, and on the top of these

920
01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:18.479
pyramids are these are these enormous figures
And so you got that description, and

921
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:23.560
he was he was impressed by what
he saw there. He was impressed by

922
01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:28.359
what he saw at the labyrinth.
And clearly the scale of the labyrinth based

923
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:30.479
on what Petrie excavated. And you
know what we found in the in the

924
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:35.119
star data is it's it's there's something
big there. There's something big that's still

925
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:41.359
there, and there was Herodotus probably
saw something, you know, large and

926
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:45.880
very impressive. Uh at Howara,
what did he see? Uh? North

927
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:53.800
of there at Bayamu seems equally you
know, incredible by his description. Yet

928
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:58.840
when Petrie goes there, he finds
something that's less than remarkable. And that's

929
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:01.199
you know, those are the drawings
that we see. I looked at them

930
01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:06.960
from from his book mainly just to
give the the dimensions they're you know,

931
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:13.600
they're fairly they're fairly modest structures.
And let me thus three, these pyramids

932
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:17.079
are one hundred fathoms high, and
one hundred fathoms equal a furlong of six

933
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:23.520
hundred feet, So you know,
we're talking about something that's six hundred feet,

934
01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:28.880
let's say, and what p Tree
draws something that's thirty feet. So

935
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:34.720
you know, my point is that
there's there's you know, discrepancy of a

936
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:38.199
factor of two, Okay, not
a big deal, but an order of

937
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:41.600
magnitude, a factor of ten or
more. It's like, wait, why

938
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:48.279
is there such a huge difference between
what Petrie found there and what hera Autus

939
01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:54.079
wrote about. And my my conjecture, I don't really have any evidence to

940
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:57.279
back it up, is that that, you know, it was sort of

941
01:22:57.319 --> 01:23:00.600
the similar thing that we see in
other places. There was actually at one

942
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:06.319
time something grand there, but it
was over time dismantled as the lake you

943
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:11.159
know, as the lake level fell, as it continued to do as if

944
01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:15.720
I AM dried up and it needed
more water for irrigation and crops and so

945
01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:21.359
forth, material was was reused and
repurposed like we find everywhere else. And

946
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:27.560
so what you know Petrie found is
just you know, really a faint whisper

947
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.359
of you know, what existed once
before. But where do you go with

948
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.720
that? I mean, as this, I don't I don't know how to

949
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:36.119
follow that up. That's why it's
just sort of more conjectural than anything else.

950
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:43.119
But you know, it's interesting because
you have Petries account, and Pat's

951
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:48.039
account of the labyrinth is being you
know, fairly consistent at least concerning the

952
01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:53.960
above ground part. But then the
you know, the these colosside, the

953
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:58.680
pedestals, pedestals are it's like,
wait, they seem to be describing two

954
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:02.199
different things. So it sort of
makes Money's the water a little bit and

955
01:24:02.239 --> 01:24:10.159
trying to understand you know, what
historically we know and perhaps what we can

956
01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:15.880
discover. Maybe we can also use
sensing technology to see if as anything in

957
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:20.199
that area that shows up you know, below ground, although you know it

958
01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:27.159
sort actually see an alband actually work
in dry desert sands. So if you're

959
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:32.720
dealing with land that's irrigated with water, it doesn't see it's it's it's opaque.

960
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:39.399
Interesting, you can't see through water. This has been fun talking to

961
01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:44.039
you as we conclude. What is
your feeling about this area? I mean,

962
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:48.079
I am not have not been there, and it looks like it could

963
01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:54.279
be farming the area. And this
is the issue we had whenever we're dealing

964
01:24:54.279 --> 01:25:00.000
with ancient structures. This site perhaps
is you know, tens of thousand,

965
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:09.239
thands of years old and has had
multiple generations of cultures prior to the dynastics,

966
01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:15.119
perhaps settling, resettling, resettling,
moving off and on. But I

967
01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:18.039
think you've made an important contribution to
this area. I just don't know fay

968
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:25.399
at all. Is it is it
been converted to because fames where these places

969
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:30.199
are, this labyrinth and these calasti. Is there is this farming land?

970
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:33.159
Now? Is that what the youre
look like? Yeah? Yeah, so

971
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:39.840
that's why this you know, that's
why these canals they bring in water from

972
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:45.279
the Nile Okay, And that's why
you know, I think this canal was

973
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.359
dug through the labyrinth. It was
for water, it was for people to

974
01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:56.359
live, you know, survive economics. Uh so it had a plausible reason

975
01:25:56.439 --> 01:26:00.720
for having been done. Again,
the history is interesting and it's in the

976
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:04.279
paper I go. I found a
number of interesting sources that talk about how

977
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:09.720
kind of how the landscape changed.
But you know, I wanted to kind

978
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:13.319
of circle back because you asked me, you're talking about, you know,

979
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.479
certain get into the subject dating things
and how all these things might be.

980
01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:23.199
We talked about it in the outset, and you know, I think we

981
01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:27.720
are our sense, our intuition is
anything that's deep is going to be old,

982
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:31.399
and deeper it is the older is
going to be And you know,

983
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:39.319
dating things ad buyased by the stratigraphic
analysis is you know, that's used standard

984
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:43.920
tool in archaeology. But what I
discovered, and this is what sort of

985
01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:47.920
was totally unexpected. It was sort
of unexpected to find the labyrinth and then

986
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:54.279
finding that the labyrinth was actually aligned
to one of the ancient polls in before

987
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:59.640
Atlantis actually gives gives me a date. I'm very quiet, I'm waiting for

988
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:01.640
you to bit it out. You
want to know the date, Yes,

989
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.720
between seventy five, one thousand and
one hundred and thirty thousand years old.

990
01:27:06.039 --> 01:27:11.000
So that would be the last poll, wouldn't it so? Okay, So

991
01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:14.760
in before Atlantis, I talked about
four previous poles. Okay, the one

992
01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:17.239
before this one was the Hudson Bay
Pole, and that was the pole of

993
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:25.000
the ice age. At that time, Western Antarctica was ice free. At

994
01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:30.680
that time, Siberia was ice free, and the mammoths lived in a temperate

995
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:35.199
climate in northern Siberia. And I
can go on and on because every time

996
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:43.439
the poll ship the climate changes.
Before Hudson Bay was the Norwegian Sea and

997
01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.479
that was fifty thousand years ago,
forty five, fifty thousand years ago.

998
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:49.600
And before that was Greenland Pole.
And things that are aligned to the Greenland

999
01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:58.079
Pole include Ballbeck, the oldest foundations, the oldest foundations in Jerusalem at Western

1000
01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:03.479
Wall, the the Parthenon, basically
the plan, the street land of Mexico

1001
01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:10.359
City, which is all centered around
Templo Mayr that that complex. Oh it

1002
01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:13.479
goes that far back. Okay,
So these are these are This is an

1003
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:17.119
alignment you find throughout the world.
Also, Pulapuku all point to the same

1004
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:21.000
pole, and this is the same
pole that the Labyrinth appears to be aligned

1005
01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:26.239
to. I'm sorry, seventy five
thousand to one hundred and twenty three thousand.

1006
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:30.000
You said one hundred and thirty,
one hundred and thirty. I give

1007
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:33.399
her take a few thousand. We're
almost at our time here. Let's talk

1008
01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:39.600
about that for a minute. Have
you corresponded with build Reps at all on

1009
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:47.399
his analysis of antiquity and North Pole
alignments, because he's got he's got a

1010
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:50.439
graphic and I can't remember. I
haven't had him on for over a year,

1011
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:55.920
but I mean he goes way back, he goes the first or the

1012
01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:00.439
fifth shift is four hundred thousand years, and then he comes down and then

1013
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.720
he comes down to where you are, and I can't remember the numbers.

1014
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:05.960
Yeah, I haven't talked. I
haven't talked to him, but you know

1015
01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:11.600
what he shows is is that how
the poles, as the pole moves and

1016
01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:15.760
it for him, the pole is
moving sort of in a continuous fashion.

1017
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:19.479
And over time as the poll shifted, the you know, the sites you

1018
01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:25.079
know were aligned and the directions changed. What's different is in before Atlantis.

1019
01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:31.520
This this hypothesis is based on four
catastrophic sudden shifts of the polestrophic Okay,

1020
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:34.960
and ended a previous age started a
New Age, if you will, the

1021
01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:41.439
new North Pole. And also it
assumes that sites are not just aligned cardinally,

1022
01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:45.359
but also you know, as we
do today, we align things to

1023
01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:47.640
the Moon and the Sun. We
have lunar temples, we have places like

1024
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:51.119
don't Edge that you know have solar
alignments and things like that. And my

1025
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:58.039
hypothesis is that this has been a
practice throughout history on this planet, and

1026
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:02.039
during previous ages when the poll was
in different positions, all these alignment directions

1027
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:08.319
to the Sun and Moon were different
in terms of geographical directions. And so

1028
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:14.079
I've found, you know, in
Beyond Atlantis, I have over five hundred

1029
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:17.680
sites that I talk about in that
book. It's it's like that thick and

1030
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:23.399
and no one is buying it because
it's expensive. Amazon has raised prices and

1031
01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:26.279
they're just killing me. And but
that, I mean, there's the evidence

1032
01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:30.119
is in. There's just a huge
amount of evidence. And what's you know,

1033
01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:36.399
what's interesting is that this, uh, this work has been confirmed independently

1034
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:41.840
by another an author and researcher by
the name of Mark Gaffney. I think

1035
01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:45.439
Mark has been I think you've talked
to Mark. He's done analysis, he's

1036
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:49.640
looked at climate data, sort of
what happened was doing back in the fifties,

1037
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:56.640
but using more modern data sources and
methods and has found just keeps finding

1038
01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:01.800
more and more climate data to support
this chronology of pull shifts. And in

1039
01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:05.960
fact it's his data that I've used
to actually time when these pole, when

1040
01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:11.239
these poles occurred, when they over
what periods they were different at different times,

1041
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:15.000
because it's it's actually correlated with climate
changes in different parts of the world

1042
01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:20.840
based on you know, using different
types of dating techniques for you know,

1043
01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:26.800
for fossil remains of mammals and so
forth, and establishing the aids. You

1044
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:30.520
know, it's like in Great Britain
they have you know, they have but

1045
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:38.520
fossil remains of of potamus, you
know, which is a subtropical mammal.

1046
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:43.680
There's no way it could exist there
today. It's only if it was at

1047
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:47.279
a different latitude. And it's you
know, basically predicted by and confirmed by

1048
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:50.479
this by this model. But I
mean, I know that's not what we're

1049
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:53.239
talking about here, And that's why, you know, I don't want to

1050
01:31:53.239 --> 01:31:56.239
get I don't like to get to
sort of spun up over that, because

1051
01:31:57.359 --> 01:32:00.319
I think these are all sort of
independent things and a lot of stuff that

1052
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:03.720
I've been putting up doing research on
is really completely different questions. I don't

1053
01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:09.239
go after them looking for more corroboration
for people Atlantis. But what I find

1054
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:13.960
here and with the Labyrinth is that
it's pointing to one of the ancient polls.

1055
01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:17.039
It's like, you know, that's
it was totally unexpected. So and

1056
01:32:17.319 --> 01:32:21.680
it turns out it's a lot of
stuff in the volume that is aligned towards

1057
01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:27.560
ancient whole directions. So it suggests
that civilization in this part of the world

1058
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:33.359
is vastly more ancient than we think. Yeah, I mean, I have

1059
01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:40.520
an intuition regarding these ages, and
I'm not a scientist, but I'm really

1060
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:44.840
fascinated that these numbers that you and
Bill Refs get. I'm just waiting for

1061
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:51.399
other collaboration to come in and again
proving this data, which will completely change

1062
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:56.359
our science. And this is the
whole problem that we're dealing with right now.

1063
01:32:56.399 --> 01:33:02.159
We're dealing with Egyptologists archaeologists who are
using seeing fundamentals that are outdated,

1064
01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:10.359
and they are considering anything that's not
in the textbook and anomaly and they're not

1065
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:15.720
falling up on it, and we're
losing critical data on what our past was

1066
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:19.880
all about. Other civilizations, earlier
civilizations, they stop at a certain date.

1067
01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:26.960
They won't go beyond one hundred.
They think anything beyond a few nine

1068
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:33.000
thousand years old Go Beckley Tepe is
hunters and gatherers. And now we're showing

1069
01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:40.600
that that the in Mexico Tiwa Khan
is most likely tens of thousands of years

1070
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:45.159
old. Egypt, and you know, here's this labyrinth in these colossi,

1071
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:49.199
tens of thousands of years old,
and they can't go there. And I

1072
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:56.159
think this is known by the Egyptian
authorities and they don't want to touch it.

1073
01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:01.079
So well, you know, street
used to begin at Sumer and now

1074
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:06.920
it begins at go Beckley Tepe.
And and in ten years it may begin

1075
01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:12.520
twenty thousand years or fifty thousand years
ago somewhere else. Yeah, exactly.

1076
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.720
Hey, Mark, A pleasure is
always for those of you listening. You

1077
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:20.840
can read all about Mark's work at
his website before Atlantis dot com. Mark,

1078
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:24.159
do you have any other you have
a social media page? I think

1079
01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:29.079
you have a before Atlantis on the
Facebook. What else you got, Yeah,

1080
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:31.199
it's it's mainly the blog. That's
that's where all the articles are and

1081
01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:34.319
links to papers, and you can
get everything you need to know there.

1082
01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:40.039
And when you say blog, you're
talking about before Atlantis dot com the post

1083
01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:46.000
post s it's. Yeah. So
it's a website that I every every once

1084
01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:50.520
in a while, I'll write a
new article that's based on sort of summarized

1085
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:55.079
the research I've been doing, and
it's you know, I've had a few

1086
01:34:55.159 --> 01:35:00.159
since the Labyrinth that that are up
there, but you know they go back

1087
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:03.800
for probably six I think about six
years now. Yeah, exactly. It's

1088
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:10.079
excellent market pleasure is always thanks for
having me clip shares, appreciate it,

1089
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:17.000
take care. Always good to have
Mark on the program. If you heard

1090
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:25.039
him talk about his access to these
satellite images, you can hear that he's

1091
01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:32.800
trying to stay away of having issues
with the Antiquities Department of the Egypt's Archaeological

1092
01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:41.520
Group or Egypto Logical Group. And
this is exactly what Faoni and Malanga did

1093
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:48.560
in requisitioning a European Space Agency satellite
that had the Stars technology on it.

1094
01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:57.880
I don't know how they went about
aligning it for their exact use, and

1095
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:03.359
it sounds like they had somebody at
the Space Agency working with them. And

1096
01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:12.079
they requisition this satellite, had specific
alignments processed through the satellite and as it

1097
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:15.359
was scanning the Kufu pyramid, they
were able to get the data back and

1098
01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:20.159
then have it interpreted and this is
where you get that three D model.

1099
01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:27.199
That's just mind blowing. But they
make no bones about it. They basically

1100
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.479
are like, we're not dealing with
the Antiquities Department. We have no interest

1101
01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:36.520
in dealing with their program because they
are they're challenged, they're extremely challenged,

1102
01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:42.960
and it's like working with somebody who's
a child. And I hear about this

1103
01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:49.039
constantly. It's not professional, it's
not It's a real problem, and it

1104
01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:51.840
continues to be a problem. It's
been a problem for decades. It goes

1105
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:58.159
if you go way back to Robert
Schock's drilling down to do sample work on

1106
01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:00.640
the front paw of the Sphinx.
That was a problem and it continues to

1107
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:04.960
be a problem. And I don't
know it's if it's all about money.

1108
01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:15.000
I doubt it, because that the
German Institute is excavating Elephantine Island in Egypt

1109
01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:23.119
and they've been there for decades,
or is it the fact that there is

1110
01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:26.399
I don't know. I don't know
what to say about it, but it's

1111
01:37:26.439 --> 01:37:30.239
a problem. It's a problem in
Mexico as well. There are huge areas

1112
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:35.079
and I always give this example.
If you go to northern Yucatan, the

1113
01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:41.800
most one of the most gorgeous cities
is Ushmohl ux m a l Ushmohl,

1114
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:47.319
and there's the Pyramid of the Magician, which is just gorgeous. It's one

1115
01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:51.680
of the most beautiful music pyramids in
the world. But less than a quarter

1116
01:37:53.159 --> 01:38:00.359
a mile away is a huge pyramid
that's been unexcavated, untouched for for decades.

1117
01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:04.840
They know about it. If they
were to excavate it, it would

1118
01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:11.359
be it would be at a ground
breaking event. And I think even doctor

1119
01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:15.319
Ed said this that, you know, the government, I don't know if

1120
01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:19.520
it's they don't have the money,
they don't want to deal with, you

1121
01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:26.159
know, any new revelations or what. It's just a problem and you just

1122
01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:30.039
have to just live with it.
But it's really frustrating because, as an

1123
01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:35.680
example, there's been a number of
light our scans done on the coast of

1124
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:45.000
Mexico. There's been light our scans
done in Campeche in just a number of

1125
01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:56.800
different cities that reveal multiple odes,
which are the sockbes leading to cities never

1126
01:38:56.840 --> 01:39:03.399
before seen cities. We will occasionally
hear about these discoveries through archaeological revelations,

1127
01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:08.359
but they won't they can't touch them. This is the same thing that's happening

1128
01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:15.800
in Guatemala where Richard Hansen's excavating Elmador, and they did this scan of the

1129
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:23.079
biosphere of the jungle area just north
of him Elmiador, and they found sixty

1130
01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:30.720
thousand unknown ruins, cities, pyramids, civics area. I mean, something

1131
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:33.000
that they're never they're never going to
get to. There's just no money.

1132
01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:39.640
So I don't know, you know, it's it's curious because you have to

1133
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:43.760
wonder how does this work? Does
somebody I guess how it works. If

1134
01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:50.199
somebody writes a paper, gets endowments
from local universities and government, rarely government,

1135
01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:56.720
mostly universities and the educational systems,
they don't have any money. What

1136
01:39:56.840 --> 01:40:02.359
it should fall to is people like
Elon musk know, or some tech millionaire

1137
01:40:02.479 --> 01:40:09.720
billionaire who can throw a few million
at a project, pay off the Mexican

1138
01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:14.520
or the Egyptian government, and just
go to work. It would have to

1139
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:17.920
be supported by a university, though
you just can't go in there as a

1140
01:40:17.960 --> 01:40:21.399
tech, as a techie and go, hey, I'm going to excavate a

1141
01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:28.239
pyramid. I would love that.
Oh my god. Can you imagine some

1142
01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:31.960
of the Maybe somebody from Google or
Yahoo or somebody gets in there and says,

1143
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:38.479
okay, here's a million bucks.
I want the ability to scan this

1144
01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:45.560
area and where we find something that's
unique, like a new pyramid, we

1145
01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:49.279
would like permission to excavate. That
would be great. It have to be

1146
01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:58.319
supported by a neighboring university. But
oh my god, why doesn't that happen

1147
01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:02.760
more often? I'm serious. If
I had if I won the lottery and

1148
01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:10.159
I say I had, say I
won fifty million, I take a couple

1149
01:41:10.199 --> 01:41:14.199
of million and go down to Mexico
and go, okay, I want to

1150
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:18.239
excavate this pyramid, especially the one
at Ushmol, because I've seen I've seen

1151
01:41:18.279 --> 01:41:23.319
it. Actually you can see it. As you're standing on the Great Pyramid.

1152
01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:28.439
There's there's this one pyramid that's partially
excavated. It's called the Great Pyramid,

1153
01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:32.000
and it's so tall, it's like
three hundred and fifty feet in the

1154
01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:38.239
air that you can see this other
pyramid. You can see a lot of

1155
01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:41.199
other things too. During the summertime, you can see a lot of very

1156
01:41:41.239 --> 01:41:45.920
cool buildings. There's a series of
buildings next to this pyramid that are exactly

1157
01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:54.119
designed, exactly like the pyramid structures
that we see at Mount Albon in Wahaka,

1158
01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:58.039
and I've taken a few pictures of
them. So there are so much

1159
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:04.359
to discover, so much to uncover, and all it is is money and

1160
01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:12.600
more vision from these departments. So
anyhow, it's great to have Mark on

1161
01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:15.520
the program. Look for the gallery, I'm gonna put up two galleries.

1162
01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:20.439
The first gallery is going to be
a historic look at the labyrinth through the

1163
01:42:20.479 --> 01:42:29.119
eyes of Petrie Flinders. Petrie and
also Herodotus will have some images that are

1164
01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:33.319
passed down from him and we'll show
what Mark has found. And then the

1165
01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:44.359
second gallery is the details from this
article Hawara Pyramid and the Labyrinth and what

1166
01:42:44.439 --> 01:42:47.920
we see today, which is not
a great deal. It's pretty it's pretty

1167
01:42:47.960 --> 01:42:54.880
dilapidated. There's not a hell of
a lot there's it's in huge disrepair,

1168
01:42:55.560 --> 01:43:01.279
major disrepair. So fun to have
Mark on the program. Hey, guess

1169
01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:09.199
what's coming up holidays is Thanksgiving shortly
in about a month and a little more

1170
01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:13.159
than a month, and then there's
Christmas and this is a time forgiving.

1171
01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:18.960
And I tell people every year get
on an Earth Ancients tour. You'll love

1172
01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:24.319
it. It's reasonably priced. All
you gotta do is get to either Egypt

1173
01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:28.439
in April or Turkey if you want
to join us for the Turkey tour,

1174
01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:32.680
which is going to be in August
of twenty twenty four. These are wonderful

1175
01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:40.479
tours. They're all encompassing, all
inclusive, meaning all your food, your

1176
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:45.119
travel, your beverages, your access
to all these sites are covered. Check

1177
01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:47.560
it out. What a gift to
give yourself. You know, you're giving

1178
01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:50.840
your gift. You're giving gifts to
your parents, to your loved ones,

1179
01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:57.800
to your kids, to your friends. Give yourself the gift of a lifetime

1180
01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:03.119
and join us in Egypt April twenty
eighth through May ninth, twenty twenty four.

1181
01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:08.880
We all meet in Cairo. It
is any I mean, you can

1182
01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:12.479
hear people who we have on the
program talk about it. It is a

1183
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:18.880
world class tour. It's just and
it's relaxing. It's startling because you can't

1184
01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:25.880
believe the size of these pyramids and
the beauty of these temples. Come out

1185
01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:29.439
and join us. For more information, go to earth Ancients dot com,

1186
01:44:29.479 --> 01:44:34.800
forward slash Tours and check it out. Now that's part one. Now part

1187
01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:39.720
two is we're gonna be in Turkey. We're almost full. We got thirty

1188
01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:45.199
people right now that are already registered
and we don't even have our page up

1189
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:47.319
yet. We're still working on it. Just got the itinerary. It's mind

1190
01:44:47.319 --> 01:44:55.319
blowing. We're talking go Backly Teppi
Carahan, Teppi, Darren Kuru, Cappadocia,

1191
01:44:56.039 --> 01:45:00.079
all those underground cities, the museums, the statuary. It's just gonna

1192
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:05.680
be a blast. I haven't been
there and so I'm really excited about going.

1193
01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:10.600
It's gonna be mid August twenty twenty
four. If you would like to

1194
01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:13.920
join us, this is what I'm
having people do. Send an email.

1195
01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:18.960
Send an email to earth Ancients the
number four the letter you at gmail dot

1196
01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:25.399
com and say Cliff, send me
the itinerary and by the way, put

1197
01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:28.760
me on your list. Reserve a
space for me. You know, I'll

1198
01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:36.760
do it. It is it's ten
days, it's intense sites and it is

1199
01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:43.079
a whole education that I'm looking forward
to. So for more information, go

1200
01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:49.680
to earth Ancients dot com, Forward
Slash Tours for the Egyptian tour, and

1201
01:45:49.720 --> 01:45:54.840
if you want more information about the
Turkey tour, go to Earth. Go

1202
01:45:54.880 --> 01:46:00.039
to Earth Ancients for you at gmail
dot com. That's it. We're making

1203
01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:05.039
other announcements too. We're gonna try
to do at least one trip to unique

1204
01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:11.279
Mexico. I'm not sure where we're
going. I'm thinking of of the Yucatan

1205
01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:14.840
because we haven't been up there in
over a year. It's been a couple

1206
01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:19.960
of years. But we may go
to some other areas that include Mexico City,

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which means you get a chance to
go to the world class anthropological museum.

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It's just mind blowing. So check
it out, see what's going on,

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and join us if you can.
All right, that's it for today.

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I want to thank my guest today, doctor Mark Carlotto and his revelations

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on this Hawara Labyrinth. As always
the team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster

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and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock, you really do.

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All right, take care of be
well and we will talk to you

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next time. Past basic