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The following presentation isn't al Marvit Studios
Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around

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the world. It is time for
another edition of the Flat Earth Files,

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and we're so glad you're joining us
today, and I do hope this podcast

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finds you well in your travels through
this geocentric earth. As always, I'm

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George glad to be here joining us. In just a moment is today's guest

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Charles. Before we bring him on, just a couple of quick reminders,

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com. Without any further ado,
we're going to bring on our very special

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guests for today, and his name
is Charles. Charles, how are you

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doing today? Doing pretty good?
George, thank you so much for having

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me on. Yeah, it's great
to have you and much to talk about.

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Let's kick things off. Please do
give an introduction so the audience can

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get to know you a little better
for sure. So, so, my

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name is Charles, born and raised
in San Diego, California. So if

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you guys are from over there,
do you guys know exactly what I'm going

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to talk about when it comes to
the sunsets and the mountains all the cool

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stuff. I don't you want me
to share, like my entire background as

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much as you like, take your
time, go right ahead. Oh great?

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So yeah, So I'm from San
Diego, born and raised there.

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I grew up in a in a
Catholic household. We never really believed truly.

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I would say that the Gospel was
never present. It was just more

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of a I believe in God.
Around sixth and sixth grade, I became

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an atheist because I started learning about
evolution and science and I bought it.

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And just like what everybody has gone
through, especially if they grew up in

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a K through twelve system, you
become indoctrinated. So I became very indoctrinated.

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I can say I know how the
system works in a way. I

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know what they teach you, they
teach you to a test. And I

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became an atheist at sixth grade.
I remember talking with my friends who were

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Christians and and just I didn't really
care about that. I put it in

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the back and I became a hard, hard atheist or I would have fights

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with any kind of religion. And
it wasn't until I was I was seventeen

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years old. It was my senior
high school and I started going to a

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youth group. And they're at the
youth group, I met a youth passor

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and he's the one who kind of
I would always hackle him and I would

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always ask questions and he always had
good answers from scripture, and that was

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very attractive, and I wanted to
go after him. I wanted to defeat

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him and debate, but he always
stood his ground and he pulled me to

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the to the Bible and he said, have you ever read the Well?

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I said no, I never read
the Bible. And why would I read

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a you know, fifty thousand thousand
a year old by a book that's that

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has a whole bunch of discrepancies and
all this stuff. Because I would just

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go on Google and just look up
contradictions. So I read it. I

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read it from cover to cover in
a couple in a month or two.

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And from that I came to the
realization that I was a sinner and that

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was going and I was on my
way to Hell, and I didn't want

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that. I wanted to be with
God and I wanted to know the truth.

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And I don't know how to explain
it, but I was blind and

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then I could see, and one
moment I did not believe in I believed,

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and I believed in the gospel,
the whole gospel of Jesus Christ,

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and that he died on the cross, he resurrected on the third day,

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and you know, placed my trust
in him and never since two thousand and

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nine, I've been a Christian.
So that's that's kind of just my background.

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And for the last decade, I've
just been in school for yeah,

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for ten years, since two thousand
ten, all the way to twenty twenty,

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at Associates in music. I got
Bachelors of Music and then I decided

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to go to seminary because I wanted
to learn Greek and Hebrew, go back

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to the church, and I wanted
to teach I wanted to be a pretty

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much kind of be a preacher.
I never saw myself as a pastor pastor,

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but I kind of just ended up
in that spot. But I mostly

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wanted to just learn the scriptures and
be able to explain it to people because

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I knew what it was like.
I knew what it was like to tackle

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people and hate people, and to
just have this remorse for something that I

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didn't even believe in, which is
really crazy. So I went to seminary.

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I learned a lot about the Bible. I learned how to interpret large

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portions of Old Testament passages books,
so translated Book of Ruth, the Greek

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and the Greek Bible. I translated
the First Book of John or was it

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First John, A lot of passages
from the Gospels, a lot of places

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from Romans, so it's I learned
how to handle the Bible pretty well,

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I guess. And then after that
I went I went to school again,

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got a masters in music, and
then uh, after that, COVID hit

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the twenty twenty and I lost all
my jobs. I lost all of all

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of my gigs, I lost all
the I mean, you know, weddings

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because there was no more weddings.
Ye all, I lost a lot of

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my students. I couldn't I couldn't
teach them in person anymore. And then

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a lot of the studios didn't want
to send their kids. So I was

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just poor. And around that same
time, in two thousand, that was

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two thousand, h what is it
eighteen, that's when I got married.

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So I was just struggling. My
wife and I were struggling. We're both,

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you know, musicians, and were
like, this sucks, especially in

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San Diego. It's so expensive over
there. Yeah, so I had to

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I had to get out, and
I took a job that it's it's a

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counseling job pretty much, and and
it moved me over to Georgia, and

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I've been living I was living in
Georgia for the last two years and I

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got to do cool stuff there and
and now I'm over here in South Carolina

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and I'm still waiting to go see
the East coast water or the oceans you

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know, behind behind me. I
haven't made it yet there yet. But

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I became a flat earth in twenty
twenty one. And what happened was I

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so I was in Japan and I
was at some I was at the friend

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and we were able. I remember
that side. It was pouring and raining

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and we were just talking about conspiracies
and we're talking about jfk Epstein, We're

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talking about just you know, Pizza
Gate nine to eleven and all this stuff.

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And he was like, hey,
you're really cool. I wish I

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would have known you sooner. And
I was like yeah. And then he

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finally asked me a question. He
said. I was like, Charles,

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I'm gonna ask you a big question. I was like, all right,

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go ahead. He said, what
do you think about the Earth? And

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I thought, because he was a
Christian, I thought he was talking about

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the age of the Earth. And
I figured, I'm like oh, I

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just responded quickly. I'm like,
well, I believe in a young Earth.

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I believe that the Earth is about
maybe roughly six thousand to ten thousand

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years old. It's not I don't
believe it's billions and millions of years old,

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like the way you know science they
think it is like four point five

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billion years or something like that.
And so I was just like, yeah,

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it's young. He's like no,
no, no, no, He's

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like, yeah, that's that's a
given. But what do you think is

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the s of the Earth. And
as soon as he said that, I

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laughed, and I knew he was
going to bring up the flat Earth,

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and I told him. I was
like, dude, I don't believe in

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the flat earth. Man, I'm
not going to go that far. I

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just that's that's nonsense. And it's
crazy because when he brought that up,

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it brought up all the flashbacks to
when I was in seminary and I remember

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I was on YouTube, and this
is when I was like looking at a

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whole winch. It's just like alien
videos. And I've always really been into

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conspiracies because one of my cousins,
she gave me the book or should let

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me borrow the book Behold a Pale
Horse. Oh, Bill Cooper. You

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know his name, yeah, Bill
Cooper. So that really opened my eyes

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and I saw how just the way
this world is and the way the government

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is, and I just I was
like, oh my gosh, this is

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keep predicting nine to eleven. And
then the way they just you know,

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killed him. Right after that,
I was I was so open to that,

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and I just I knew that there
was there was more in the world

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that I didn't know. But I
still believe in space and all that kind

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of stuff, and uh so he
brought that up and I told him.

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I was like, no, dude, I don't. I don't believe in

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the flat Earth. And I was
like, what about NASA. You know,

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they they all the pictures and all
their all the ships and all the

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years. And I remember I would
tell him. I would tell him how

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when I was in middle school or
elementary, telling us like, yeah,

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you know, NASA just shot out
their their probe and it's it's making its

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way all the way to Saturn and
they're going to take pictures. And I

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waited like ten years and then finally, like I don't know, seven six

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years ago, they finally came out
and I got to see Pluto and Saturn

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and it was beautiful images, and
I realized, now that's just all fake,

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you know. So it was it's
just like it's crazy. So he

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was like he he just kept pushing
it. He was like, no,

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NASA's full of lies, and I'm
like, dude, why would they lie?

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So then he goes he's like,
you're a preacher, aren't you.

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You know the Bible? Didn't you
go to school for that? And I

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was like, yeah, I did. He and then this is this is

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how I came to the flat Earth. It was through the Bible. He

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asked me what does Psalm nineteen verse
one say? And immediately I just I

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quoted it back to him. I
was like, the heavens declared the glory

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of God and the Fermament show with
his handywork. And he's like, yeah,

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Fermament. He looks at me with
like big guys. He's like Fermament.

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He's like, what do you think
that is? And I was like,

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I don't know. He's like,
we'll get your Bible app. So

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I went on. I went on
the Bible app. Oh, by the

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way, you guys, you guys
should get this Bible app. It's called

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Literal Word. If you have an
iPhone or Android, it's free. And

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I'm just I'm going there as I
speak. So I went to Psalm nineteen

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verse one and there's a little a
leaf symbol at the top and I clicked

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on expense and bam, the word
came out as Rakia and it says extended

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surface solid expense from an end from
my men flat as a base, support

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from involved of the heavens, supporting
the waters above. And I kind of

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just stood still a bit because I've
I've read the Bible countless of time.

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Sure, I've read it front and
back. I've already lost count I've read

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it in all versions. I read
it in you know, NSP. King

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Jay's version the first time, ESV
so many times. Right now I'm going

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through it and KJV, and I
just love reading the Word of God.

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And it was for the first time
where when I read the Hebrew, especially

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after studying and learning Hebrew and learning
how the Jews and the Israelites back in

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the day, the way they wrote
the Bible. They wrote what they saw,

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they wrote what they believed. And
I take a a literal, historical,

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hermit grammatical hermeneutic of the Bible.
And what I mean by literal is

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it's it's the plain reading of the
text. For example, if it says

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that God created it in six days, I believe it's six days. I'm

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not going to add billions of years
or anything. I just take the word

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as it is. That's what I
mean. So so I remember reading that

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in the right there in the app
and it says expense, and it defined

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it for me, and I heard
I saw supporting waters above, and I

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was like what this is crazy.
I was like, nah, no,

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this can't be and then he goes, yeah, what is And then he

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tells me, welles, what does
Genesis Chapter one, verse six A,

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And I went there, you know, then God said, let there be

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an expense in the midst of the
waters. I separated the waters, and

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there again expense. And I did
a whole word study on it, you

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know, and it comes out fifteen
times in the Old Testament the word firmament

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or racchia the Hebrew. And it
just blew my mind, and I wanted

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to know more about it. So
I kept fighting him, and I kept

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telling him. I was like,
yeah, well, you know what it's.

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You know, we have science now
and they back in the day they

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didn't they didn't know and everything.
Gosh, I can't believe I say.

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I used to say that because I'm
what I'm pretty much what I was pretty

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much doing is I was saying science
knows it all. Therefore, this is

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what the Bible means, rather than
this is what the Bible says, therefore

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this is how we should interpret science
or the world around us. And I

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just want to interject for one second, because what you just said right there

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really explains the quandary we've gotten ourselves
in over the last even twenty to thirty

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years within our lifetime, because we
have taken the word of man over the

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word of God, just trusting others
blindly, even for people who may not

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be believers, trusting others blindly because
they wear a white lab coat or have

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a PhD at the end of their
name. That is one reason why we're

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in a position we are in the
world right now, is because we you

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know, the Bible tells us to
trust in God, not man, and

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we're so quick, like you just
said, well, you know, the

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scientist said so, so it must
be true, right, Yeah, you're

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that's completely right. And it doesn't
it doesn't mix well with the Bible because

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the Bible speak. For example,
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a seventh day he arrested. And
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I'm listening to the podcast. You
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the listeners talking to you guys too. You guys will remember how you guys

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have talked about how if you count
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until now, it's it's about ten
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take, but it's not millions now. So you have to come to the

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realization or to the how do you
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evolution and all these billions of years
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Is this correct? Or are you
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God says? You'll have to make
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because they don't one of them is
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You got to make that differentiation.
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you a few questions because you started
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you became an atheist direct as a
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yeah, that's the that's what they
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in sixth grade. My teacher was
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and it was history, and we
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about all these evolutionary creatures. And
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grew up, you know, with
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were always praying to God, praying
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who, and then there was a
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we evolved from monkeys. And I
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what happened, and if we came
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a long timeline, then the Bible
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human made up fairy tales. Therefore, I just pushed it away. It

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was so simple. I just pushed
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science. And ever since then,
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into big Bang. I would read
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Hawkins. I would watch all those
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you know, find the good arguments
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in the same stuff. I just
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That's how I thought. Stephen Hawking's
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in the last hundred years. I
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and I get emails. I get
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all the time, but people say, and I'm talking about both podcasts here,

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it's like, man, you talk
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living proof that the education system,
and you know, we're supposed to be

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one nation under God. These days, I question which god the people in

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DC are actually praying to. But
the education system. Yeah, without a

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doubt. It's very disturbing because again, we send our children off blindly to

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be educated for thirteen years and you're
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one thing we talk about indoctrination and
like capping on like like stunting, uh,

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what's critical thinking skills and things of
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want to create a you know,
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and so forth, but they have
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not even hide God, but to
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something that's why to me that that
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I've seen it firsthand. I'm that

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guy who went to college a little
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seen it when I was younger,
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thinking what in the world is going
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what's going on and what they teach. College is even worse. You No,

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you're right, college is even worse. I remember what I took an

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astronomy class. Actually I took two
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guy I always kept saying, He's
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schizophrenia. It's just a clinical thing. Everything is clinical. There's no

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such thing as demons or any possessions
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at these videos of these schizophrenic people
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possessed. This is just spiritual attacks. This is what happened. There are

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human possessed people, and they clinically
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four at the time, you know
that they're just schizophrenic. So it's weird.

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a nonset. It starts around the
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twenty three to the thirty. I
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class I took was this It was
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to they make you take those science
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I remember I would always ask questions
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man, how do does this work? And and everything has to do

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with time. They just had time. If they if they can't explain why

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these bones were found in this sedimentary
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above another sentimental layer. They just
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you have to add a couple more
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gravity to everything. So it's time
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the moon and how the moon would
perfectly spin on its axis that when we

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look at it, it looks like
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spinning. That's impossible. It's just
it's it's preposterous. And he would always

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just say, like, yeah,
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true. It's we know now because
of telescopes and and this and this and

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that, but it's it's all lies. And that's how that's how the school

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system is. They just teach you
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regurgitate, just so that you can
get answers. So I guess what I

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got. I got an A in
the astronomy. It was it was it

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was easy. You just tell them
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you know, tell them the answers. And it isn't isn't an amazing They

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know exactly what each planet is made
of. This one is gas, this

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one is lots of carbon. This
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one had water on it eight billion
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stuff? Like literally, who who came?

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Who comes up with this stuff?
I don't know. It's there's some

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if you have if you have a
regular computer or what is it, like

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a not a not a Mac,
but a windows. If you go on

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Microsoft Edge and if you just open
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and they always push space. They
go, oh, there might be a

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big cloud in Jupiter the size of
the United States. Oh they might have

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found gold, gold dust, come
it raining and mars, like they come

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up with these random things every single
day to just keep your mind up there

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and like wow, wow, look
at what they're look at what they're doing,

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you know. But it's it's they're
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think that the people that write write
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I think they just get it from
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start off from the top, and
it trickles down because even the teachers,

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the teachers in the in the you
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they they teach what was taught to
them, and what was taught to them,

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they also was taught to them,
and it just keeps going back and

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it's this It started off somewhere and
we just veered off so far away to

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where if you try to bring up
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that there is you know, actual
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that we live on they throw it
away. They go, no, that's

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that's not right. We trust the
science. Is it period reviewed? Oh

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no, well now we can't.
We don't believe you. We only we

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only trust what's period reviewed. Indeed, and I'm starting to think many of

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these air quote space journalists, I
think they surf the net because you know

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how in these days people post their
senior thesis online. I think they probably

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just you know, they find some
and you're at Texas A and M and

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look at their their thesis and run
with it. Yeah, that's pretty true.

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It's insane. But you know what, you know, the question that

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comes up more towards the end,
and I'll ask you at the end,

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but I wanted to mention it now
for myself. It's people always ask how

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can we change things? What can
we do to break the matrix? I

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stand with a lot of conviction in
my heart we have to change the education

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system wholesale. And I'm talking wholesale
changes where au either homeschool or be go.

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Back when I grew up in the
seventies, it was community based education.

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I walked to school. The teachers
were like in the neighborhood, Hi,

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missus Straw, like she was my
teacher. But she was also I

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deliver newspapers tour in the morning,
right, and everybody knew everybody. But

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we've destroyed all that and we've turned
over education to the government. And if

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anybody can show me one thing in
the last one hundred years, something positive

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that this government has done well,
then I'll yeah, you know, there's

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probably a unicorn and a leprochron behind
it, because it's just not there.

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Yeah, but I mean that's not
what Rockefeller wanted, right, No,

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he wanted to create people just to
be cheap and to just live day to

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day be away from the family.
It's break it's literally just breaking the family

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unit. And I and I totally
agree with you. To answer that question,

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it would have to it would literally
have to take entire us. And

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I would even say, though you
know, the rest of the world across

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the pond, it people need to
just go back to the family unit and

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teach teach what the family like,
what you know biblically what the family unit

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is. And and I'm I'm super
biased here because I'm a Christian and I

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I wholeheartedly believe that the Word of
God is the truth, the truth,

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and nothing but the truth. So
people need to break away from what this

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government is trying to. Just steer
them away. Get get out of the

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TV. Stop watching Netflix and wasting
your your time on that, Go read

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real stuff. I like, what
what's his name, uh, David Wise

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when you had him on the podcast, and how how he said, He's

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like, listen to Crow Triple seven
and just go to go to Crow seven

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seven University or whatever, and you're
gonna learn way more there. And it's

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true. It's what they teach you
in the schools is just utter trash.

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And you've got people that graduate with
all these degrees and now they're in debt

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for the rest of their lives.
So you go to you go to school,

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and then you pay all this money
to get this worthless degree that you

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know that's not even true, and
then you can't even get a job,

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and now you're paying it off for
the rest of your life. It's just

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the system is rigged. It's it's
done. Yeah. And these are the

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same people that are at the top
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And I woke up this morning and
I go on to social media and

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the big story everywhere Carlos Santana declares
a woman is a woman, and a

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man is a man and he is
anti trans and it's it's as big as

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as like nine to eleven. The
stories were everywhere, and I'm like pinching

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myself, thinking, have we really
fallen off that quickly over the last ten

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years? Everything is just sideways.
It's it's incredible. I'm surprised this song,

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what is it? I got a
black magic woman? Yeah, you

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know, that's why I'm surprised.
That's not you know, taken off the

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taken off air or anything like that. But that's that's just ridiculous. And

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then with the whole Trump thing,
I'm pretty sure you just heard and you

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just got arrested. Yeah, yeah, it's so sad. It's just everybody,

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everybody's against everybody over here. But
uh but yeah, so so go

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I mean just to go back on
like my wake up, the wake up

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story. It's so I remember,
So I was there in Japan and and

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he pointed me to the Bible and
it was immediate, George like, I

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don't know how to explain it.
As soon as I saw the Hebrew and

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because I and this is only because
I try, I think it's because I

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trusted the Bible so much that I
said, I have to put God's word

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first. And because I believed in
his word first, I immediately put it.

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I put it above all science.
I put it a ball of all

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man human wisdom. And the thing
that made me really it freaked me out.

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After, you know, going back
and forth, my friend is he

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He kept telling me. He kept
saying like, no, you gotta you

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gotta think about you know, the
Antarctic Treaty and Operation fish Bowl and all

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those all those things that happened.
And by the way, if you guys

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who are listening, if you guys
haven't looked that up, it's some pretty

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crazy stuff. But he brought up
Genesis chapter thirteen and he said, what

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did the serpents say? What did
what did the woman say to God?

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After they ate the apple? And
I was like, oh, it's that

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the serpent deceived. He's like,
well, what does that say in the

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Hebrew? And I wouldn't look,
and they're in the app it shows n

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A s A nassa. So after
reading that, I was just like,

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oh, my gosh, could could
they really be deceiving us? Could NASA

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really be deceiving us? And that
that's kind of what really jumped me into

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the wormhole and I or what is
it called the rabbit Yeah, the rabbit

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hole. And I told him,
I was like, you know what,

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I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have
to think about this. So I want

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00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.640
to tell you this, and I
want to tell everybody else this, just

410
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.200
so that we don't how do you
say, misrepresent what the actual Bible is

411
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.599
saying. So I did a word
study here on on the Hebrew. So

412
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.880
yes, the word and there in
the Bible it says the serpent deceived me.

413
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:51.039
And I ate. Right, if
you look it up anywhere on Google

414
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:52.359
or and you try to look up
the Hebrew word for deceived, it's going

415
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.480
to show up as n a s
a. But the Hebrew word there it's

416
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:03.359
it's actually it's the n, then
it's a, it's an sh letter or

417
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.759
word, and then it's an a. So it's actually pronounced nasha. But

418
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.079
when you read the actual Hebrew,
so like here I have my my my

419
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.920
Hebrew Bible, and when you open
it up and you read what's actually written

420
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:22.680
in the Hebrew, it's actually pronounced
hish shianni. That's that's the word his

421
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.799
hiani. So it's not nasa it
doesn't say Nasa or Nasa in the Hebrew

422
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:36.039
at all. It's just very interesting
that the English translation translates it too nasa,

423
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:41.920
which can be a big coin in
the coincidence start. So yeah,

424
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.920
so it's just I just want you
guys to know that you know, the

425
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.359
word Nasa is not you know,
verbatim in the Hebrew, so that people

426
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.200
just know that it's hish shianni.
So that's that's why I freaked me out.

427
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.720
And then I remember I was after
leaving Japan. I I got on

428
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.359
the plane and I flew back to
I flew to Hawaii, and then I

429
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.599
flew to Washington, and then I
flew all the way back to Georgia.

430
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.759
And I remember, for the first
time in my life, George my like,

431
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.160
it's almost like the veil came off
my eyes and I saw the world

432
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.799
differently. I saw that the horizon
was level. It wasn't in my mind

433
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.319
trying to tell myself like, oh, look the Earth is curving. You

434
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.440
know there's a curve over there.
No, it was level, just complete

435
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:32.759
level. And it freaked me out. And I remember I told before I

436
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.279
got on the plane, I told
my wife. I said, hey,

437
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:41.200
you're probably gonna think of crazy,
but I'm starting to doubt that the Earth

438
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.000
is a ball. And she's like
really why? And then I walked her

439
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.440
through everything that my friend told her. I was like, you gotta you

440
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.720
gotta research, you know, operation
fish Bowl and the Antarctic Treaty. You

441
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.920
gotta look up how you can't go
to you know, to the North Pole

442
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.400
and the South Pole, and there's
all this land and there's extra that they're

443
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.839
trying to hide from us. This
is all just a big coincidence, right

444
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.799
or or what do you think?
And she was like, yeah, yeah,

445
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:10.319
I think it is. When I
got back the people, that really

446
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:15.079
what really helped me finally, So
at that moment, I was completely awake.

447
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.119
It was just night and day.
I believed that the Earth was flat,

448
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.160
and I wanted to know more.
So I started reading the Bible a

449
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.799
lot more. And I found a
whole bunch of verses and you know,

450
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.359
if I'm not going to go through
a whole bunch of them, but it's

451
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.799
in your podcast, people, can
you know, you guys can go back

452
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:37.400
and listen to them. But it
I started recognizing and realizing that the Bible

453
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.640
makes a lot more sense if you
take if if you read it from a

454
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.200
flat Earth perspective. And I the
first thing I did, because I used

455
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.559
a lot of I used Instagram a
logist because I like to, you know,

456
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:56.119
post stuff and and the I immediately
typed in flat earth into the search

457
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.119
engine, and the first thing that
came up was this this page called flat

458
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:07.920
Earth flat Earth spelled flat Earth g
U A t E. And I think

459
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.519
it's honestly, I think it's the
best. Out of all the Instagram pasages

460
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.720
that I've been on, it is
by far the best one because she has

461
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.519
she posts a lot of like the
stuff that other people post on because a

462
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.839
whole hundred people do that. But
she has this little scroller at the top

463
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.599
where you can you can see like
Nasallis and Tarctica, moon facts on science,

464
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.720
Bible, gravity, sataloons, maps
from them and stars. It's got

465
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.960
everything and you can just go through
it and you know for days you'll be

466
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:44.400
entertained for forever. And I just
binged flat Earth. I went through everything.

467
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:50.440
I listened when I got back.
I remember I started listening to David

468
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.240
Weisse and I and I went on
podcast because I used to listen to a

469
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:57.559
lot of I still do. I
listened to like theology podcasts, and I'm

470
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.839
like, listen to that kind of
stuff, but I just typed them flatter

471
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.720
and I want to see if people
were talking about this. And first thing

472
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.000
I came up was Down in the
rabbit Hole or the Flat Earth podcast,

473
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.319
which was really cool and it was
with David Wise, and that was awesome.

474
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:10.599
So I listened to a lot of
that, and then it just got

475
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.880
a little like banterish and then they
just stopped, and it was they stopped

476
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.400
because of the whole COVID thing,
which is really crazy too. And I

477
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:23.160
remember they were talking about how there
was going to be the flat Earth what

478
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.640
is it, the whole convention,
and then COVID hit, so I started.

479
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.960
I just started thinking, what if
this whole COVID thing just happened so

480
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.880
that the flat Earth theirs couldn't get
together? So that's what I thought.

481
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:40.039
But then I remember, I remember
in two fifteen, and I remember because

482
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.240
I was in seminary in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and I when I

483
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.119
was on YouTube. This is before
the whole algorithm change, right, because

484
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.839
they mentioned that in the movie Level, And I remember when I was looking

485
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:53.720
at you know, conspiracy theories,
other things like that, not flat Earth.

486
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.680
Every time I saw the flat Earth, I just skipped it. I

487
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:59.480
was like, this is stupid.
I'm not gonna I don't believe in that

488
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.519
crap like this is dumb. I
don't believe in it. But I remember

489
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.759
I went back and I went on
YouTube type and flat Earth and there's nothing

490
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:07.599
on flat Earth. And you do
this on your podcast all the time.

491
00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:10.840
You tell everybody, Hey, just
go on Google, go on YouTube type

492
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.159
and flat earth and the first thing
you're gonna find is how to how to

493
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.320
make flat earth people look dumb.
And you're gonna get you know, the

494
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.719
professor, Dave Guy, and you're
gonna get you know, Neil de grass

495
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.639
Tyson and all these people, and
you're not going to find the real stuff.

496
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.800
So I had a dig. And
the way I found a lot of

497
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.400
my the way I learned a lot
was through Instagram because a lot now what

498
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.239
they're doing is they're they're they're fact
checking all the stuff on Instagram, and

499
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.159
then a lot of the pages get
destroyed. So that's why I'm telling you

500
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:45.000
guys, listen to flatterth Go go
look up flat Earth. It's awesome.

501
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:50.559
She posts some really good stuff.
I listened to Eric Debay's Complete Flat Earth

502
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.039
Conspiracy book. That is a phenomenal
work of art. I've watched all of

503
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:59.679
two hundred proofs. I listened to
all of the earth Plane. I remember

504
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:05.000
I started off with od DTV the
twenty proofs, and then I remember watching

505
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.719
a lot of the Dave Weisse videos
and then Level came out. And when

506
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:14.199
I watched Level, I had already
binged so much of Flatter that everything was

507
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.599
just a confirmation of what I believed. I was like, yes, that's

508
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:20.639
exactly what I believe. And the
next Level and then Level with me in

509
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:25.360
great, great documentaries. I just
finally watched at Warna the Last History of

510
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.639
flatterth and that's crazy. That is
quite an experience, six five or six

511
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:36.280
hours, right, Yes, it's
it's huge, it's it's phenomenal. I

512
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.480
have a lot of questions about it
because there's some stuff that, for example,

513
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.920
like I disagree with and this is
something that I've noticed with the flatter

514
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.519
community, and I like what you
say, George, is that you go,

515
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.559
look, we may all have disagreements, and we all may disagree,

516
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.719
and you're never gonna tell people like, hey, don't listen to this guy

517
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.880
don't listen to that, because there's
a lot of good stuff. Eric Eric

518
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.519
debate the guys does he denies Christ? And to me, that just hurts.

519
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:05.360
I'm like, dude, you are
so close to scripture and you interpret

520
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.679
it so well in the Old Testament, and yet you just don't believe Jesus

521
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.719
is the Son of God. It's
just sad to me. And like all

522
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.320
these other flat earth people, they
all have these different views, but the

523
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.840
one thing we can agree on is
that we've been deceived and that the Earth

524
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.639
is not a ball, you know, And that's that's the only thing that

525
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.199
makes me happy. Really. It's
so I kind of just have to sift

526
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.360
sift around. I know, I
know what I what I believe is to

527
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.480
be truth, and and what I
considered to be truth, you know.

528
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.000
And like again, I say,
I always go back to Scripture. I

529
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.239
always go back to the Bible,
and I say, well, what does

530
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.880
the Bible say about this? So
yeah, that's pretty much. That's that's

531
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.800
what happened. And then the way
I came on on your the way I

532
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.400
found your episode, I mean,
your your podcast is it was it was

533
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:52.039
in May. It was this year
May. I went back because I thought,

534
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:53.079
my, hey, you know what
I want to go see if the

535
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:58.119
Flat Earth podcast with David Wise,
if they made any new episodes, and

536
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.960
no, there was nothing there,
but or your flat Earth podcast came up

537
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.039
and I was like, oh,
this is pretty cool. I clicked on

538
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.239
that, and oh my gosh,
George, I was hooked. After the

539
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:10.360
first episode, I was like,
this is awesome. So I I binged

540
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.159
all of your stuff at like one
point seven five all the way up until

541
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.639
now, and it's and it's really
funny listening to speak all slow. I

542
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.960
should have set myself from one point
seven five before we started the interview to

543
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:29.280
make you feel comfortable. I know, right. You did start with episode

544
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.480
one. I did. I started
with episode one. I went through the

545
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.199
first ten episodes, and then you
started bringing in callers and I wanted to

546
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:43.880
come on right away, but I
wanted to listen to everything and catch up

547
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:49.599
so that I just you know,
I've heard everybody's story, and it's it's

548
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.239
so wonderful to hear how everybody can
just come on your show and then just

549
00:37:53.719 --> 00:38:00.159
talk about this and feel free without
having to think you're going to be crazy.

550
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.920
It's so funny that you mentioned just
what you did a minute or two

551
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.039
ago about how everybody's perception is but
we all know is different. But we

552
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.639
all know we're deceived. You know, I'll do an episode any any the

553
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.559
next morning after any episode, the
emails full, and they'll be emails saying

554
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.519
it was the great episode they ever
heard. It moved them, They reached

555
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.960
out to the guy who was on, and then I'll get one that's like

556
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:28.199
that was the word. That's just
so funny. How you know that I

557
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:34.480
know it's working because we're we're everybody's
taking a little something from each Like there's

558
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.199
episodes that mean a lot to some
people, and there's some people's like you

559
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:38.800
should have said this, And you
know, at the end of the day,

560
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.840
I bring everybody on and I make
that clear in my responses to people,

561
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.920
and I want them to tell their
journey to the truth. And I'm

562
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.960
not going to sit here and try
to convince hundreds of people at a time

563
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.119
to think, like me, that's
not just how this works. And you

564
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.039
know, but one thing I do
know that I can say is I do

565
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.199
know that flat Earth. That's why
I continue to do this. I've gotten

566
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:08.079
so many emails that said, you
know, understanding and flat Earth has brought

567
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:13.320
them back to God or to God
for the first time. So yes,

568
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.079
even for like Eric Dubey, I'm
sure you know you said, he's so

569
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:20.119
close. Maybe one day it'll click
with him, you never know, I

570
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.920
hope. So I just prayed to
God that he will open his you know,

571
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:28.119
he'll regenerate his heart and give him
the faith to believe. But I

572
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.159
can only prefer him. But you
know, I pray the same way for

573
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:36.360
Oh, of course. But yeah, I like that you mentioned how everybody

574
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.079
everybody has this like thing that opens
their eyes. Do you know what I

575
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:44.000
mean by that. It's kind of
like maybe somebody has to watch the movie

576
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:45.480
Level and then they're just oh wow, I believe it in now, Or

577
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:50.840
somebody has to just watch like a
fake document, a fake all those videos

578
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.960
of NASA just you know, on
strings and stuff, and then that will

579
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.079
open up their eyes. One of
the things, when I think about it,

580
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.840
one of the things that, like, you know, besides the Bible

581
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.800
is the first one, you know, the word firmament, and the word

582
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.079
heaven, and the word NASA,
like the things that really launched me when

583
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.079
I started looking up flat Earth stuff. I found I can't find the picture

584
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:13.960
anymore. But it was a meme
and it was a picture of these skydivers

585
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:19.360
jumping out of a plane and one
they were all like in a star formation.

586
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.679
It just looked really cool and the
photographer takes a picture of them and

587
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:30.079
what you see in the background is
the flat horizon and the sun is under

588
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.039
the flat horizon, and the meme
the caption says, take all the time

589
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.880
that you need. And that that
was That was blown mind blowing for me

590
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:46.480
because it really it destroyed everything that
I ever believed. And that's the thing

591
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:50.960
with the with the flat earth.
You have to come to this. You

592
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.880
have to just forget everything you know
and just put it aside and just kind

593
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.239
of just start up fresh. It's
like making a cake or making a uh,

594
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.079
you know, making bread or anything
like that. If you mess up

595
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:06.159
or you already have all this,
just say put it all the way,

596
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.199
just cure some new ingredients and just
start, you know, working on this

597
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:13.599
and you have it takes time,
And for me, it was that picture.

598
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.119
I remember seeing that I was like, oh my gosh, if the

599
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.239
sun is under the horizon, then
that means that the sun is local and

600
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:25.519
the sun is not billions or millions
of miles away, like like like science

601
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:30.360
says and what everybody has has taught
us, Because what is it that they

602
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:36.639
say that the sun is uh,
it's like ninety that's right, ninety three

603
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.440
million miles away. The moon is
two hundred and thirty eight thousand miles away.

604
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.360
The speed of the Earth there's one
thousand and forty miles. It's it's

605
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.679
like all this stuff that they taught
us, it's just all lies. If

606
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.239
you see the sun under the horizon
and it's a tiny little orb of light,

607
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.079
I don't know what it is to
me. I just I think it's

608
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:58.239
it's a it's like Plasmand the closer
you get to it, you're not going

609
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.000
to burn because the high or you
go in mountains and elevation, it gets

610
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:06.000
colder. And you would think that
the snowcapped mountains would melt, but they

611
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.679
don't because they're for some reason,
they're closer to the sun. And I

612
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:14.000
don't know how to explain that.
I'm I'm completely okay not having those scientific

613
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:19.320
answers, but it's just you know
when there's people they're like, well,

614
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:21.960
the science says this, and this
is how we know. It's like,

615
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:28.159
no, it's it's just it doesn't
it doesn't comply with what scripture says.

616
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.920
And the Bible is very very direct. It says that he put the lights

617
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.159
in the firmament, inside the firmament, so they're a local the sun,

618
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:43.639
the moon, they're just floating right
above us. That's what's happening, you

619
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.599
know. Speaking of science and everybody, I could let up emailers from people

620
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.360
who may not be people of faith
or religion that you know, they say,

621
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:58.880
it's great to hear these stories,
but they prefer to have scientific evidence,

622
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.760
some which you just mentioned with the
with the the sun below the horizon,

623
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.800
et cetera. The other day,
I was between interviews and I went

624
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:13.800
on YouTube and I said how to
make water stick to a ball? And

625
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:19.840
the very first entry on YouTube was
flat Earth Debunked, and it had a

626
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.840
picture of a ball on like this
pin and this guy like dips it in

627
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.360
the water. He sticks it on
this thing and it spins real fast,

628
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.880
and then there's like this drop of
water left on it. He's like see,

629
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.000
and it's just like ridiculous. I
was like, now do that was

630
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.239
seven and a half miles worth of
water. It will never work. It'll

631
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.599
never work, and it's something that
kind of frustrates me. And again,

632
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.960
hey, listen, I was on
the other side too. I would delete

633
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.079
email. I did. I deleted
David Weisse's email. I went back and

634
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.400
pulled it out. But it was
just ridiculous to me, just like it

635
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.360
was for you, and we all
have to be at that point of our

636
00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.800
life to be willing to look at
it. It's true. No, you're

637
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.559
You're so right. I was.
I was on the other side. I

638
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.400
oh, man, I wanted to
be an astronaut, George. I remember,

639
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.440
since I was four or five years
old, my uncle's would would play

640
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.119
astronaut with me and they would throw
me up in the air and they would

641
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.519
they would be like, oh,
that's thrown out and all this kind of

642
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:21.360
stuff, and I loved it.
And they would always show me pictures of

643
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.119
space and they would say like,
yeah, the stars and the moon and

644
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.960
this whole vast universe was so beautiful, and yet it made me feel so

645
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.480
small. But it was like,
I want to go out there. I

646
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.039
want to go, but guess what, I can't because I'm not an astronaut.

647
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.840
And now I find out you can't
even be an astronaut unless you know

648
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.840
you sell your soldier in double and
you go become a you know, a

649
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.519
freemacon or whatever. But I mean
that's a whole conversation. The thing is,

650
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:51.199
I love the movie Interstellar. That
was my favorite movie ever forever,

651
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.119
and now that I'm a Flyer author, it's all this stuff is just jump

652
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:59.039
like all the Marvel movies, all
the Superman movies, Like I used to

653
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.639
love that stuff. You know,
how they come from space and all these

654
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:06.440
aliens, and now it's just that's
never gonna happen. Guys, space,

655
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.599
time travel, all that stuff is
not going to happen. All these dimensions

656
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.840
are saying, and like how Michio
Ku, you know the theoretical physicists,

657
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.360
I don't even know what that is. But and you know Neil deGrasse Tyson,

658
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.639
and when they ever talk about you
know, the first and the second,

659
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:23.719
the third and the fourth and up
to thirteen dimensions, that's never going

660
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:28.800
to happen. There's no way that
we're just going to It's it's all just

661
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:34.880
this imaginary stuff that puts your mind
out there to just be like whoa wow,

662
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.760
and it really just points you away
from God and that that's everything that

663
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.079
is non flat earth. Everything that's
out there, the school systems, the

664
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:50.199
science, NASA, the movies,
it all just deviates you away from the

665
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:55.920
Word of God. And that's that's
just such a shame. Indeed it is.

666
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.360
And I will tell you I wouldn't
courage everybody if you kind of want

667
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:05.360
to look into the minds of the
people who control the narrative down here.

668
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.000
Manly p halls the secret teachings of
all ages and if anybody wants a PDF

669
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:14.360
copy, email me at the Flat
Earth Files at gmail dot com. I

670
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:20.039
will send you a PDF copy.
There's three things that Satan does down here.

671
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.960
He deceives indoctrination for lack of a
better words, but also mockery.

672
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.679
Mockri is one of the big things
that they do with all their rituals.

673
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.639
And it's not I've done some pretty
deep studies, not deep deep studies,

674
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.880
but into numbers and meanings and symbols. I'm sure you've seen a lot of

675
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:45.119
symbology with the occult and the people
who control things. There's a reason why

676
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:51.559
they chose ninety three for ninety three
million miles, because it's the sun Sun,

677
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.440
which is a mocker of the sun
swen. And most people say you

678
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.079
can look it up for yourselves.
If you just put in what day did

679
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.559
Jesus die? Most people say it
was Friday, April third, eighty thirty

680
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:06.400
three. That's you know, there's
your thirty three. And the Book of

681
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.159
Mark, I think, says he
was crucified at nine and died at three.

682
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:13.920
So there's your other ninety three.
April third is the ninety third April.

683
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.559
Yeah, April third is the ninety
third day of the year. If

684
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:22.880
you look at the movie poster for
flight ninety three, it is a plane

685
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.400
going straight down that looks like an
upside down cross. There's so much mockery

686
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:34.880
with the number ninety three and everything
within heliocentrism is meant to deceive, and

687
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.639
a lot of the numbers. Even
I did a podcast just on the numbers

688
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:43.719
involved on nine to eleven, and
it's just insane. It really is insane.

689
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.719
Yeah, I remember, I remember
one of your earlier podcasts on the

690
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.960
Flat Earth Files. It was one
of the ten, and you talked a

691
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.559
lot about the numbers. That was
mine. It was an eye opening because

692
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.679
I never I never noticed those things. I just had to gentlemen on the

693
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.760
other night. By the time this
podcast airs, it would have already been

694
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:10.199
out. I think it was Ryan, and he listed thirty three numbers within

695
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.920
heliocentrism that really are related to Satan
with the six six, you know,

696
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.800
the sixes and everything. And he
wasn't even aware of the number thirty three

697
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.559
and what it meant to freemasonry.
You had no idea. It was just

698
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:27.760
accidentally was number thirty three. So
it's kind of interesting how these things work

699
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.920
out. That's pretty funny. Yeah, what else did I have written down?

700
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.840
I wanted to ask you. I
had a couple of questions. So

701
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.360
flat Earth in twenty twenty one.
I know you've talked about the people who

702
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:44.719
and your kind of journey, but
was there one I knew the horizon was

703
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.440
big, but was there a video
or something you saw that really got you

704
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.400
hooked into I think this is flat
Was there you know, a big silver

705
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:58.960
bullet for you? Oh? Yes, so there was what I would say

706
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:06.639
maybe the silver bullets for sure.
Was was watching videos of the clouds being

707
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.480
behind the sun and it's people with
nikon the you know the Pennine hundreds.

708
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.400
They just zoom into the sun and
you see, you see it clear,

709
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:15.920
clear as day. I was gonna
say, clear as mind, you see

710
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:21.360
it clear as day. The sun
is right there. Local. You have

711
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.519
those rays coming down like a triangle, and the close are right behind the

712
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:30.079
sun, and it just shows you
that it's local. Just that that just

713
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:36.239
there is. It breaks all of
halocentrisism because they say that the sun is

714
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.280
so far away and that we're spinning
around the sun, you know, hundreds

715
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:44.880
of thousands of miles. It's it's
not. We're just stationary the way God

716
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:50.079
made it. It said the Bible
says he establishes the Earth and it shall

717
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.280
not move. The only time it
does is when he brings earthquakes. But

718
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.280
it doesn't mean like move that.
You know, we're flying millions of miles

719
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.639
through the space and we haven't hit
anything. So that was one of the

720
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:07.159
big silver bullets. But my main, like the over over my journey,

721
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.039
the I guess the points where I
would say that are that from what I've

722
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.280
watched them from the last two years
of just learning so much about the flat

723
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:21.159
Earth. These will be my proofs. Number one, waters level, you

724
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.119
know, just take a glass of
cup, look at it. Water lays

725
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:27.119
flat. Look at a pool,
it lays flat when it's not moving.

726
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.320
Look at a lake lays flat.
Go on to some bigger look at the

727
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.920
ocean. It lays flat. So
using science and their logic, the earth

728
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.559
is seventy percent water. Therefore the
Earth is seventy percent flat. Bam,

729
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:42.840
flat Earth. So here's another one
you can see way too far. And

730
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.920
for those of you guys who are
listening, if you're from San Diego,

731
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.360
you guys know what I'm talking about. There's mountains that you can go.

732
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.960
They're not mountains, they're like really
big hills because I guess, you know,

733
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:58.519
Colorado people will get mad because they
have real mountains. But there's there's

734
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.760
these mountains. They're called Mount Hello, Mount Solidad, and there's Big Bear,

735
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:07.239
which is in LA. And there's
a there's another one, Cowel's Mountain.

736
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.119
But I remember, since I was
young, I would go up there,

737
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:13.360
climb them up and just look at
the view. And I never I

738
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.760
never took pictures. And I just
feel so like I want to go back

739
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.239
just so that I can, you
know, take pictures and see it with

740
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.119
brand new eyes. But for example, if you go up to Mount Helix,

741
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:29.760
you can you can look south or
kind of like southwest towards north North

742
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.559
or south Coronado Island and it's about
thirty miles away. And if you take

743
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.840
the curvature formula, you know how
they you know what that is, yea,

744
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.800
it should be it should be under
you know, about like six hundred

745
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.119
feet under below the curve, but
it's not. You can just see it

746
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.599
clear as day, on a clear
day, it's right there. Another one

747
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.840
is you can see from Helix and
you can look these pictures on Google.

748
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:58.199
Just type in view of Point Loma
or Cabrio Mountain from Helix. It'll show

749
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.679
up, and that's about sixteen mile
away and you can see it right there,

750
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.000
like it's very close, and it
should be about you know, one

751
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.599
hundred seventy feet under under, but
you can see the very bottom all the

752
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:14.559
way to the top. Here's another
one. From Helix. You can Mountain

753
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:16.920
Helix. You can see San Clementa
Island, which is really far. It's

754
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:21.800
a little bit more north, close
to La that's eighty six miles away,

755
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.239
and on a clear day, like
I said, you can see it.

756
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:28.480
You can just see way too far. If you're on Mount Solidad, which

757
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.519
is closer to the ocean, you
can see San Clemento even better and still

758
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:37.159
sixty six miles away. Sometimes you
can. The one that was really crazy

759
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.199
is when I was in La or
Ontario, in that area Riverside, you

760
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:46.199
go to Big Bear Mountain and if
you look south down to San Diego at

761
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:51.559
night, you can see downtown San
Diego. You can see the city lights.

762
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:55.519
Because between San Diego and Ontario there's
nothing. It's just all it's all

763
00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.880
road. But you can see so
far away that should be that's one hundred

764
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.639
and five miles away. You should
it should be seven thousand, three hundred

765
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:09.159
fifty feet alow the curve, but
it's not there. And you know what,

766
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:14.159
here's another funny thing. I have
friends that you know, I've told

767
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.599
people about the flat Earth and they
just they think I'm crazy or they think

768
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:22.400
I'm just wrong. But I had
people send me pictures where they show,

769
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.920
you know, the boat's going over
the horizon and they say, oh,

770
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.199
look at that. See it's it's
disappearing rover the horizon. Or when they

771
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.880
show you the what are they called
those wind meals that are that are behind

772
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:37.480
the curve and they look like they're
behind the curve, and I go,

773
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:44.920
that's really interesting. That actually proves
flat Earth because they are pointing directly perpendicular

774
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.519
they're pointing up. They're not pointing
away from us. And if you grab

775
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.239
a basketball and you just grab a
little hot wheel or a little person,

776
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.639
walk them towards the edge, that
person is going to be facing away from

777
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:58.000
you, not straight up. So
when you look at those boats that go

778
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.119
over the horizon, I don't know
what causes them to look like they're behind,

779
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:06.519
if it's waves or if it's something, but the boat should be facing

780
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:10.119
away from you, so you can
just see way too far. You know,

781
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.760
those those are smoking guys. Another
one is planes fly parallel. They

782
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.320
just fly parallel to the ground.
They never dip their nose down or up,

783
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:22.800
they just go straight. The North
Star never moves just I mean,

784
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.639
I remember when I moved to Georgia, I really wanted to see the guide

785
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:28.880
stones and then they blew them up. Got so mad. And that one

786
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:30.400
just shows you that, you know, the polar stars right there, it

787
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.960
never moves. And if we're flying
through space that you know millions thousands of

788
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.360
miles, never hitting any asteroids,
never hitting any other star. But yet

789
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:44.960
the stars that are in our visible
sky never have any parallax. They never

790
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.320
moved. There's just there, and
that's weird. Right. The other one

791
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.920
is the heliocentric model. It doesn't
allow you to see Mercury, Venus,

792
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:58.079
Jupiter, and Mars at the same
time at night. And I remember there

793
00:54:58.360 --> 00:54:59.760
this was on the news one day. They were like, yeah, I

794
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.480
feel look out tonight. You can
see Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, and

795
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.599
Mars all in this night sky.
How is that possible if in order for

796
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.000
you to see Mercury and Venus you
have to look towards the Sun. So

797
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.920
that just doesn't make sense. So
the solar system just breaks down. Another

798
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:17.719
one is, Oh, I love
this one. What's his? What's the

799
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.280
guy? I forgot the guy's name, but David Wise makes him. Uh.

800
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:24.079
He posts a lot of videos about
him and he has like this big

801
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:30.719
freak out moment come into Yes,
that was another guy that I also watched

802
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.239
a lot I saw. I saw
the one where he This is his quote.

803
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.679
I love it. He says,
the Earth makes an ellipse around the

804
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.880
Sun to take account of seasons.
Therefore it must change in speed, and

805
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:49.280
we do not feel it. It
would liquefy all flesh. It's funny,

806
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.360
but it's true because if we're moving
thousands of miles an hour, if you

807
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:57.760
step on the brake just one just
one mile, you will drop your food,

808
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.400
you will drop your coffee, you'll
spill it all over. And yet

809
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.760
we don't feel anything. So there
you go. You know, do you

810
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.760
feel anything? So it's just it's
ridiculous how all this stuff is. If

811
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:13.480
you just think about it, if
you think about it and you question what

812
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.280
you've been taught, it'll, you
know, hopefully it'll open up. Another

813
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:22.840
one that's that's already said it that
you know objects that are far away they

814
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:24.800
point away. They don't point away
from you, they point straight up.

815
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.039
And I like the newest one that
I heard that was pretty cool was from

816
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.039
David Weiss in your last episode when
he said that when you're flying south,

817
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.480
you should be able to see the
stars come up from the horizon. That

818
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.920
should be going up. I never
thought about that, thought that was awesome.

819
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:43.800
I was like, this is cool. It's the same thing with shooting

820
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.840
stars. They should be shooting from
the top, I mean, from the

821
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:51.000
bottom up, but you never see
that. They always come from the sky

822
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.519
going down. So those are those? Are my silver bullets or smoking guns?

823
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:58.239
I guess. So I have a
few questions for you to ponder.

824
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:07.480
Why is the burden on us to
prove flat earth versus the ridiculousness you would

825
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.119
think. And again I was there
too, and I get it. But

826
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.000
you know, anytime I post something, whether it's on Instagram or wherever,

827
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:21.039
or excuse me, wherever, people
reply with the silliest things that's not well

828
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.519
thought out. And I guess it
just goes to show, really going back

829
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:30.960
to the education system, how strong
the propaganda really is, because obviously we

830
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.599
were part of it as well.
And I guess it's a twofold question when

831
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.760
you woke up, I know I
did. Did you in any way feel

832
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:43.519
silly or kind of shake your head
at the things that we believed about heliocentrism.

833
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:46.360
No, I completely bought it.
I just believed it whole hardly.

834
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:50.480
I was like, yeah, the
sun is Ellen's miles away and this is

835
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:54.559
how it is, and they made
movies to reinforce that. So because we

836
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:59.280
have believed this for so long,
however, within the last couple of hundred

837
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:05.440
years, maybe anybody that goes against
the narrative is just dumb, like we

838
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.119
just consider them dumb, like,
oh you are just if you believe that

839
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.199
they're at this flat that's so outdated, like when you go on Wikipedia and

840
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.760
it says this is archaic knowledge.
This is what people used to believe,

841
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:19.039
you know, And it's funny if
you go on chatchypt and if you play

842
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.119
around with that, if you start
poking at it too much about flat earth,

843
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.840
it will it will stop you.
It will just it will either not

844
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.360
answer your questions or say, uh, you know, it's not true the

845
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:31.800
flat earth. It's not true.
It's an archaic thing. And it just

846
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.880
goes back to that. So I
know that whoever is in power the like

847
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.800
you guys say, the powers that
be, somebody is in control of this,

848
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:44.000
and it puts the burden back on
us because we are the minority in

849
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.599
this. And they go, well, everybody believes that the Earth is a

850
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:50.920
ball, and you believe it's flat. And they make fun of us with

851
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.559
these little pictures and they say,
well, you're gonna fall off the edge

852
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.519
and you're not, you know,
like, where's the where's the edge?

853
00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.760
Where's the edge? And they just
characterize us, They drama on us,

854
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.760
They find anything to just make us
look dumb. But every single person that

855
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.480
makes fun of us and I did
this too. I did the same thing

856
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:13.159
too. We never take the time
to look at it. We don't.

857
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:17.000
They don't take the time to think
about these things because you know what would

858
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:22.320
happened. It would break their world
the way it broke my world. It

859
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.559
changed everything about like everything you think, you know, everything you believe about

860
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.039
the world, you know is gone. And when you tell someone that,

861
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:35.039
and if they come to that realization, they will freak out and they will

862
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.119
have no idea what to do.
Yeah, that's a great point. Now,

863
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:42.840
when you did finally wake up to
Flatterarth, how did that change your

864
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.960
way of life and how you saw
things? Oh, my gosh, I

865
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:50.960
got closer to God. I believed
in the Bible even more, like I

866
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:53.119
already believed it was true, but
now it was, I remember, I

867
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.280
like I repent it. I was
like, man, I can't believe I

868
00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.320
believed in all this nonsense about your
word God. But now it's know that

869
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.280
he's right up there above the firmament. And it's above He's not you know,

870
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:08.800
in this other dimension or when we
think of space. It's not like

871
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:15.480
another planet or in another universe or
whatever. No, he's right above the

872
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.599
crystal glass wall, the crystal glass
ceiling. Like the book Revelation on my

873
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.599
Instagram, I put one picture.
I made a new Instagram just for this,

874
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.119
but I put a picture explaining how
you know, in the Bible,

875
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:29.840
when the Book of Ezekiel, it
shows the angels, they were floating and

876
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.519
it says they looked up and there
was like it says, like a crystal

877
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:37.880
glass above them. And then you
read the book Revelation in chapter five and

878
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.400
it shows the throne room and right
below him is a crystal glass. So

879
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:47.400
it's I know that God's throne is
right above and he's holding the waters back.

880
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:53.079
And it just makes me feel more
connected to God. I know now

881
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:58.400
that he is there, and it's
really funny. This is something just that

882
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:02.880
I do. I carry compass now
because it reminds me of God, and

883
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.599
I can whenever the compass wherever I
am, it points north, and I

884
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.159
think, you know what, it's
probably where God is, you know,

885
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.559
because he's it's the center of the
center of the earth, and he's right

886
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.360
above us the way the Bible says
that he, you know, he draws

887
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:20.639
a circle upon the earth, not
a sphere, it's a circle, and

888
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.239
that we're like grasshoppers to him,
and he just sees us we are his

889
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.840
footstool. The Earth is its footstool. So it's like and a stool has

890
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.679
four legs, and it talks about
the Earth being on a stool. I

891
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:35.360
don't know what that looks like.
I just know and I trust God even

892
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.039
more, and I just my life
is I'm never bored, Like David Why

893
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.360
says, like I'm never bored.
I'm always constantly looking for something new.

894
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:46.599
I look at the trees. I
started getting into electroc culture, and I'm

895
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:51.360
trying to understand, like you know, the electricity that's up there, and

896
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.679
trying to understand what happens with electricity. And it's just been fascinating things that

897
01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:01.039
we don't we wouldn't think of.
If you just go day to day,

898
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:05.159
go to your work, go to
nine to five, come back, watch

899
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.239
your TV, watch your football,
waste your time and all this stuff,

900
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.039
and then go to sleep, and
then you don't actually go back to God.

901
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.159
I've just gotten way closer to God
than I was in the last two

902
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:21.480
years ago. Yeah, that's a
common response I get for many many people

903
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:23.920
on this podcast, and it's it
is tremendous. And it also, like

904
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:27.800
you said earlier, it really does
change the way you read the Bible.

905
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:31.960
It does. It really does.
So so here's an interesting question I want

906
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:38.000
to offer you. If you had
unlimited resources, for one, you can

907
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:42.320
do whatever you want, but you
can only choose one way to prove flat

908
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:49.199
Earth. What would you do?
I would? I would if I had

909
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.440
limited resources and nobody was stopping me, right, I would get on a

910
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:58.960
balloon and take it to Antarctica and
just float as far as I could,

911
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.639
and I would just keep going and
going and going and going and going and

912
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:06.199
going until either I don't know,
I hit the glass wall. I don't

913
01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:08.400
know. That's probably where Enoch ended
up and God took him for he was

914
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:12.760
not It says he was not,
and then he just disappeared. I like

915
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.360
to imagine that if we go too
far beyond Antarctica, we're going to hit

916
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:20.559
something and we're not allowed to go
over there. And I think the answer

917
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:23.840
is Antarctica, Like that is the
number one thing. It's if we could

918
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:30.039
go to Antarctica, you know,
it would change everything, or the North

919
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:31.320
Pole, because nobody's actually been in
the North Pole, so we don't even

920
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:34.559
know what's in the middle. If
you look at the Google, it's all

921
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.840
blotted out and you're not allowed to
fly over. You know, it doesn't

922
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:40.719
even make sense on the on the
flight past when you're on a real plane.

923
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.480
But it would have to be Antarctica
if I had all the money in

924
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:49.039
the world. Yeah, I agree, and most people that's that's the answer

925
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.039
as well. But it's funny because
something we don't talk about, and I've

926
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:55.360
been meaning to do a brief podcast
on it, is Rupus Nigra, which

927
01:03:55.400 --> 01:04:00.639
is the black rock, which is
interesting because owns everything in the world black

928
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:05.679
rock, and this is the you
know, located at the magnetic North Pole

929
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:12.440
that that is the giant bag that
that points to all the compasses and any

930
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:15.320
helicopter. I don't know if even
helicopters can fly with with that cold,

931
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.840
but the airplanes they have, I
think they have to turn off there.

932
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:24.119
They're certainly their compasses. I just
heard that the other day. I've been

933
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.920
looking more into this and doing getting
educated because here in the flat earth community

934
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.480
we talk about Antarctica all the time, but we really don't. I don't

935
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:38.159
think we talk about the air quotes
here North Pole, Uh, the Arctic,

936
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.320
I should say, enough, And
that is very interesting, this black

937
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:46.079
rock, this big magnetic North Pole, and obviously the meaning behind it and

938
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:54.360
very interesting stuff. No, it's
it's true. I so you've seen you've

939
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:58.079
seen the flat earth though, what
is it? Blast history of flat Earth?

940
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.679
Now? Right? Yeah, okay, so this is one of the

941
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:02.159
questions I want to ask you.
You just brought up the magnetic north.

942
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:08.400
So I have some buddies, I
have some friends that that like to get

943
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:11.519
maps and you get to play with
the compasses and you know, you go

944
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.920
do some land navigation out there,
yep. And you know how when when

945
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:17.480
you're walking out there, if you're
looking at the map, there's like the

946
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:21.079
magnetic north declination, and the map
will usually tell you, oh, you

947
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:26.239
got to add or subtract six degrees
to wherever you're going, right, So

948
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.880
if you look at I remember when
when I was in Japan, it was

949
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.400
different. It was like seven or
eight degrees. And when we were out

950
01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:36.239
there, that was just the first
time I noticed it. And then the

951
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:40.159
second time when I went back to
Georgia, we were you know, we're

952
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:43.800
doing that again, and it was
different. The degrees were different. I

953
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:45.280
always wonder, what the heck,
why is it different if we're if we're

954
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:50.519
all pointing north. And then it
also says true North is where the Polaris

955
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:55.159
star is. So there's two norths. There's the if you could follow the

956
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:58.559
north star, that's where you're gonna
go true north, and then you have

957
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:00.719
the magnetic North. And it's really
interesting if you look up looking up on

958
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:04.199
Google and what's his name, the
the what is it last History or Warren

959
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:08.280
On talks about this. It says
that the North, the magnetic North,

960
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.199
has been moving. And this is
one of the things that I've been kind

961
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:15.000
of I want to know more about. But how he thinks that, you

962
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.360
know, the dome in a way
that the circle that we're in, that's

963
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:24.079
the Antarctic circle whatever that is,
the North Pole is moving around. You

964
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.840
know the larger moon map, and
those of you guys who are listening,

965
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.480
you guys got to look up the
moon map, look up all this stuff.

966
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:34.199
It's pretty interesting stuff. But when
I look at the North, if

967
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.880
the North pole is it the magnetic
North is moving and if you look at

968
01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:43.480
the Google how much it's moved for
the last fifty years. This is crazy

969
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:45.559
because then that means that this is
this is what I was thinking about.

970
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:51.320
You know how the whole media and
they're they're pushing you know, climate change,

971
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:56.599
climate change. I remember back in
in two thousand like five, and

972
01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:59.440
al Gore was coming out with the
Inconvenient Truth and like, oh, we're

973
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:01.440
going to lose the Holer bearers and
and all the Antarctic. You know,

974
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:05.840
Antarctic is gonna melt. Well guess
what, Yes, it is melting because

975
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:11.280
wherever the magnetic North is moving towards
the Sun and the Moon that are following

976
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:13.880
it around in a circle. I
don't know how to explain that, but

977
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:15.880
it's it's just going around in a
circle. Sure, it's going to melt.

978
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.400
It's going to melt the Antarctic wall
in the direction it's going to,

979
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:25.400
But all the walls behind us where
it's where it's not melting, it's getting

980
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:29.639
freeze over. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So I so I just thought,

981
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:34.719
what if, for example, what
if the North Pole or I keep

982
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:40.360
saying North Pole, but what if
the magnetic North or the North Star is

983
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:45.840
actually further more in the dead center
of the moon map, and the magnetic

984
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:49.519
North in which our compasses point to
are just moving the other way, you

985
01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:51.880
know. So I just I don't
know, I don't know what I don't

986
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.559
What are your thoughts on that that
that's interesting. I need to sit down

987
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.239
and do more studying on that.
I've I have notes on it. I've

988
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.159
been studying the magnetic I really need
to sit down and do this because it's

989
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:08.239
something that I've wanted to be been
doing a while. I've been so wrapped

990
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:10.679
up in this nine to eleven podcast
I have coming up in two weeks.

991
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:12.880
I haven't had a lot of time, but it's something I need to sit

992
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.760
down and investigate and read because it
is really intriguing and it does. Yeah,

993
01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:21.960
we do spend a lot of time
on Antartica and not enough on the

994
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:26.199
North Pole. And yeah, they
they taught us in the army the three

995
01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:30.960
north poles, True North, Magnetic
North, and grid North. And when

996
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:35.319
I was in was I was in
Schofield Barracks, so Waii. I had

997
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:40.079
to do a land navigation course.
To all the folks have been in the

998
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.760
military, who's listening, You know
this? In order to get your E

999
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.680
five, sergeant, you have to
go to Peeled well, I don't know

1000
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.079
what it's called now, it's called
Peel DC and you had to five five

1001
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:53.680
points on a map and you'd had
to use your compass and and everything else.

1002
01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:55.479
And I'm glad you said that.
I have. My wife got me

1003
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:58.159
a really nice and grave compass a
while ago. It sits on my desk,

1004
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.359
but I need to start carrying that
too. That's a that's a great

1005
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:04.399
idea. But just a funny story
off the off the cuff is they had

1006
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:09.800
a jump scheduled for that day.
We were doing land navigation. So we're

1007
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:12.680
out there trying to find our points
and we look over ahead to see one

1008
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:16.840
thirty flies over and all these guys
are jumping out with their parachutes and all

1009
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.560
you hear these guys sitting the ground. Uh uh And we're all running trying

1010
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:25.359
not to get from these guys,
and uh, you know, the guys

1011
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:29.439
in charge of PLDC are just flipping
out because you know this big test day.

1012
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:30.800
If you fail, you I think
we had to get three out of

1013
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.399
four or four out of five.
Look, I forget what it was.

1014
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:39.239
This was Geez nineteen ninety eight,
but but it was very interesting because guys

1015
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:43.039
you have to pace, count and
everything else, and guys hitting the ground

1016
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.479
trying to dodge, and they did
a palette drop too. They had a

1017
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.640
hum vy. I don't know if
folks listening at home, if you've been

1018
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:53.479
in the military when they drop a
humby out of the back of a sea

1019
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:59.800
one thirty with the two parachutes.
This thing, it's the ground and there's

1020
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.279
totally people on the ground doing their
land navigation tests. It was the most

1021
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:08.960
I've never seen so much anger from
people yelling at each other saying whose fault

1022
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.039
it was. But anyway, that's
completely off topic. But uh, we

1023
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.720
started talking about the different norths and
it kind of and you talked about the

1024
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.520
comp has just jarred that story up
good times back from Scofield Barracks. So

1025
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:25.960
why that's funny. Yeah, I
just I just thought about the North Pole

1026
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:29.439
and because that's that's one of the
things that I've noticed also within the flat

1027
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:33.600
earth community. It's there's there's the
flat Earthers that believe that it's you know,

1028
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:38.600
we're just under a dome and it's
you just go to Antarctica and within

1029
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.359
a couple of miles you'll probably hit
the dome and that's it. I like

1030
01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:44.880
to take that view. I'm happy
with that view. I believe it fits

1031
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:49.000
really well with the Bible cosmology.
But the other view, the Warren I

1032
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:53.359
would call it the Warren and view. Maybe it's a lot bigger, and

1033
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:57.680
it follows the moon map, and
it just goes on forever. Like David

1034
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:00.960
Wise and all these other people,
they think that it's just an infinite plane.

1035
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.600
It just goes forever, and there's
all these other worlds. I don't

1036
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:06.239
believe that. I don't. I
don't think that there's other lands or other

1037
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.039
suns, because the Bible is clear. It says you just created the two

1038
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:13.159
lights. And I think if that
was part of it, he would put

1039
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.720
it in the Bible, but he
didn't, so I'm just sticking. I

1040
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.840
just stick close to what the Bible
says. Yeah, you know, it's

1041
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:19.840
it's it. Yeah. Oh,
I'm sorry. I was just gonna say

1042
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.199
I was. It was very intriguing
to me the first time I heard it.

1043
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:30.640
Right now he started talking about how
extraterrestrials, extra terrain and and everything

1044
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:31.920
else. But that's exactly what I
did. I went back to the Bible.

1045
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:33.800
I was like, well, wait
a second, if there's only one

1046
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:38.439
sun and one moon, how could
people sustain life on the other side of

1047
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:41.600
Antarctica. And then the other thing
was, you know, if you look

1048
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.279
at Genesis too, one the heavens
and the Earth were finished right, it

1049
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:50.680
was finished. It was done.
It's not this ever expansing land so exactly.

1050
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:55.600
And and and I do the whole
alien stuff like I used to believe

1051
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:59.239
in aliens, like those like things
that come from the sky. By the

1052
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:01.560
way, if you watch there's this
new movie called Jewels, it's like this

1053
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:06.399
little alien creature. I think that
what they're the world's gonna end up doing

1054
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:11.000
is they're going to try to do
this big alien scare and people are going

1055
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:15.319
to freak out. But I like
what you mentioned about the extraterrestrials. If

1056
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.600
they are extraterrestrials, they're just from
beyond the Earth. And I don't know

1057
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:23.720
if they've figured out a way to
survive in the cold. But there's no

1058
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:26.800
sun out there, but I'm sure
you can probably still see the sun,

1059
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:30.439
you know, circling away from you. But it's really interesting when you get

1060
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.119
to you when you look at like
Admirable Bird's journal and what it says and

1061
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:41.399
how he found a large a large
body mass of land and had oil and

1062
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:45.560
it had all these resources and then
they killed him and then bam, NASA

1063
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:47.319
comes out and then it's like,
oh, nobody's allowed to go. So

1064
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:50.640
I want to know what's in Antarctica, and I'm pretty sure everybody wants to

1065
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:54.960
know what's out there now. One
thing I will say it would not surprise

1066
01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:58.239
me obviously. One, they don't
want to stand there because of the firmament,

1067
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:01.000
right, that would prove that we're
not a globe. But I do

1068
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:10.079
believe there may be some resources down
there, you know, very maybe powerful

1069
01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:15.319
resources down there. Yeah. Did
you have you seen those pictures? Those

1070
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:19.439
screenshots? You can't find it on
Twitter anymore, but that one and what's

1071
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:25.159
the name Neil Armstrong? That one
guy who's the astronaut who's kind of like

1072
01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:31.399
slipping now he's really he buzz Aldrin. Yes, he posted a picture of

1073
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:36.840
of the of the pyramids and in
Antarctica and he said like there's evil,

1074
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:41.000
there's like bad things happening, evil
itself and then he took it off.

1075
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.960
They took it off. So I
find it really interesting that there was pyramids

1076
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:49.680
and you know, other other things. And if there's like, oh man,

1077
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:56.439
Twitter is amazing because they there's so
much uncensored stuff on there. You

1078
01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:00.720
can type in anything you want,
and you can you can ask like how

1079
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:02.199
to how to make a bullet,
you know, and it shows you how

1080
01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:05.800
to make a bullet. You can
ask you know, anything about flat Earth

1081
01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:14.119
and it'll show you hundreds of people. It's so it's such a plethora that

1082
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:17.199
it's exhausting. It's like I can't
even follow along with what's going on.

1083
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:24.000
And I've seen so much. But
there's really cool videos that people make of

1084
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:29.239
of all these artifacts and things that
they found in Antarctica. And I think

1085
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:33.119
it just lines up with when the
Nazis the Germans were down there during World

1086
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:36.600
War Two and they you know,
they settled down and they they did their

1087
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:41.720
things. It's just really cool stuff. Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned the

1088
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:45.920
pyramids. There was an article I
think just yeah, June July twenty nine,

1089
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:54.960
twenty twenty three, mystery pyramid beneath
Antarctics ice sends conspiracy theorists wild.

1090
01:14:55.560 --> 01:15:02.560
The huge pyramid mass was spotted over
Ellsworth Mountain range and it has baffled logical

1091
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:09.399
explanation. Yeah, yeah, there's
a picture of it. It's yeah,

1092
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:12.439
it's interesting, and I remember when
buzz Aldron posted that and then I think,

1093
01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:15.159
if I remember correctly, some people
screen grabbed it, but I think

1094
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:17.760
his handlers took it down pretty quick. Yeah, they did, And what

1095
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:23.119
was that you said, Jewel It's
I'm not sure what it's the movie is

1096
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:27.680
called, but there's like a little
blue alien and the name of the alien

1097
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.840
is called Jewels, and it's a
it's a movie that's trying to make you

1098
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:36.520
feel emotional for the aliens and when
they come to Earth, and yeah,

1099
01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:41.239
so it's it's kind of it's just
gonna make people feel, you know,

1100
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:44.680
like, oh, the aliens,
you know, these these other life forms,

1101
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:47.000
we got to take care of them
so that when you know, a

1102
01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:51.359
Project Blue Beam and they shine up
all the fake stuff, all the fake

1103
01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:56.520
alien invasion. That's probably that's why
all this alien stuff out of nowhere just

1104
01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:59.680
comes out and the government out of
nowhere says, oh, yeah, we

1105
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:01.720
have aliens. But guess what if
they would have said that fifteen years ago,

1106
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:04.920
everybody would gone crazy. But now
that they say it, nobody cares.

1107
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:10.399
No, nobody cares because of Marvel, because of all these alien spaceship

1108
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:13.600
stuff. They're like, oh whatever, yeah, we that's probably true.

1109
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:16.680
Nobody cares anymore. And they did
it perfectly. They timed it out so

1110
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:21.199
perfectly so that when it happens,
you're just so easily deceived. You're just

1111
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:26.479
gonna take it. You're just gonna
eat it up and whatever. That's how

1112
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.039
you're lost. Yeah. There,
I was writing in like Jules j it's

1113
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.880
j U l Ees. It is
Ben Kingsley's in it. And I guess

1114
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:38.880
it's on Netflix. I have to
get my daughter's password and watch it if

1115
01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:42.680
they'll still let me do that.
Yeah. If it's on Netflix, I'm

1116
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:46.000
gonna watch it tonight. Then Yeah, that's interesting. He even has to

1117
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:50.520
care in this movie. He doesn't
even look like him funny. So it's

1118
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:55.359
really funny what they did to advertise
the movie, The Little Alien the Little

1119
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:57.840
Person. I don't know, it's
really funny. Something like one of the

1120
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:01.520
conspiracies is that some people think that
it's an act alien and they just think

1121
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:04.560
it's like a person in a suit. But they walked them all around New

1122
01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:11.439
York and they have videos of people
filming this little alien walking around just and

1123
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:15.439
he's just looking at people and saying
hi, and everybody's just like, oh,

1124
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:17.000
the cute little alien. But that's
how it starts, you know.

1125
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:19.479
It's like that. It's that funny
thing where it's like, if you find

1126
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:23.880
a cat, don't name the cat, because then you're emotionally attention. That's

1127
01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:28.680
what we say about our meat chickens. Oh man, Yeah, that's true.

1128
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:30.399
I used to My dad used to
have chickens too, and we had

1129
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.920
we had like thirteen chickens, and
then they all gave birth to chicks.

1130
01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:38.119
And then I named one of the
chickens Caral, and I have that.

1131
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:40.800
I had that one for about like
two years, two or three years.

1132
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:46.039
Such a good chicken. That's awesome. Yeah, you know. I have

1133
01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:51.439
to also do another story on there. There is Harris Radio Systems. They

1134
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:57.239
have something called a line of sight
radio system. It's it's a very high

1135
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:02.760
powered one and according to their manual, their line of site manual, it

1136
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:09.119
works up to sixty kilometers. That's
crazy. I love you see. That's

1137
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:15.199
it's not funny how radio the radio
frequencies can go that far. Same thing

1138
01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:18.399
with sonar, the way they can
just they can tell if a boat is

1139
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:23.680
of like two hundred miles away,
if it's like covering far away. It's

1140
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:28.079
how would that work on a ball
earth if the singles would be they would

1141
01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:30.039
have to bend right. It's like
a it's like a lighthouse. You can

1142
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.720
see it so far away because the
light doesn't bend, it just shoots out

1143
01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:39.560
straight. So yeah, with radio
frequencies and that's just another that's another coin

1144
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:43.199
in the box right there. It
just proves that the Earth is flat,

1145
01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:46.119
it is level, and it just
keeps going forever. Yeah. I remember,

1146
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.760
I I man, I've talked to
some I talked to a friend I

1147
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:54.760
lost. I lost a really good
friend over over this whole flat earth stuff.

1148
01:18:54.760 --> 01:19:00.840
They practically just disowned me and my
wife. But they I remember,

1149
01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:05.279
and they found out I was a
flat ether through my YouTube account. They

1150
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:10.880
came over to my house and they
we were just talking about music and and

1151
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:13.039
I told him. I was like, yeah, I go on my account,

1152
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.399
and he just searched this up and
he went on it and he just

1153
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.439
the first all my whole entire you
know, when you opened up YouTube and

1154
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:24.119
it shows you everything you've been watching, and all this like flattered stuff was

1155
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:27.960
on there. And he's liked,
Charles, are you a flat Earth?

1156
01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:30.319
And I'm like, oh no,
you know, it's just my co worker.

1157
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:32.159
As they talk about this stuff,
and I was trying to push you

1158
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:35.800
away because I don't talk about this
with people. I just I don't want

1159
01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:39.039
to. I don't know. I
don't want to get into it, and

1160
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:43.159
I also don't feel adequate enough to
debate or to get enough fight or anything

1161
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:46.239
like that. And from that moment
on, he just really wanted to know

1162
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.880
why I believed it, and I
kept telling him no, no, no

1163
01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:54.680
no. And then finally, long
story shore, I ended up going to

1164
01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.920
his house and he's like, all
right, give me your spiel, and

1165
01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:03.119
I went biblically. I walked them
through through Genesis one and I used the

1166
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:05.960
Hebrew and I explained this, and
I gave him all the other verses and

1167
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:10.840
I have a list of verses that
I'd like to share with you. But

1168
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:14.279
yeah, I did all of that, and he was just watching me and

1169
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:17.239
just kind of like like kind of
smug, being like yeah, oh I

1170
01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:19.279
know, I know, I know. And I was like, look,

1171
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:21.560
this is why I want to tell
you, man, because you're not even

1172
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:25.720
given you're not even giving it a
chance, and you're a Christian dude,

1173
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:30.399
like you were completely disagreeing with the
but what the Bible says. And then

1174
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:31.960
he came over to my house and
then he did his thing, and he'd

1175
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:36.520
like tried he destroyed or tried to
destroy all the arguments, and he actually

1176
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:41.760
watched the Bays. He watched Level
the first one, and so I gave

1177
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.319
him. I give him that he
took the time to watch him, because

1178
01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:46.640
he brought up some things that were
in the video and that you would only

1179
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:51.039
know if you watched the documentary.
But after that, it was just they

1180
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:54.960
just stopped talking to us and they
couldn't handle it. And every time I

1181
01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:59.399
went over to his Bible studies,
every time they asked me or if I

1182
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:02.079
wanted to about you know, the
passage, they would just roll there.

1183
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:05.199
They would roll his eyes and and
I'm like, man, I can't believe

1184
01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:11.279
this just destroyed a perfectly good relationship
all because of a different view on scripture.

1185
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:15.199
So it's just really really sad.
And I had you know, I've

1186
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:16.680
had other friends too, and you
know, one of my best friends,

1187
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:19.560
and I wanted to tell him so
bad. I was like, hey,

1188
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:23.119
I gotta tell you something. He's
like would and I was like, I

1189
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.760
think the earth is flat because of
the Bible, and he's like, no,

1190
01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:30.039
I checked every single commentary and nobody
is talking anything closer remote to what

1191
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:32.680
you were talking about, And like, I think you're just wrong. You

1192
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:36.039
need to like stop drinking the water
over there in Georgia and this and that,

1193
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:40.079
and I was like, dude,
come on, if you're one who

1194
01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:43.279
thinks the same way I do,
we take a literal, historical, grammatical

1195
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:47.399
approach, and you are letting mankind
dictate what to believe about the Bible.

1196
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:50.560
I think you're wrong. And I
have another friend who also just kind of

1197
01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:55.199
I told him to And after those
three people, I kind of just stay

1198
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.640
quiet. I just I go,
you know what, I'm going to keep

1199
01:21:57.640 --> 01:22:01.720
it to myself, and yeah,
I just it to me. It's I

1200
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:06.199
wish I was more open, but
I don't know. Yeah, well,

1201
01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:11.800
I'm sure that everybody listened to this
podcast. At least most people have a

1202
01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:15.039
story very similar to that. I
know I do. Most of us maybe

1203
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:19.920
have tried to share our beliefs and
it, you know, we know how

1204
01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:26.479
that really really just goes to show
how much effort that they put into this

1205
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:32.600
propaganda and how much they know what
a powerful tool it is to hide God.

1206
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:39.800
Yeah, we've got about seven or
eight minutes left. So whatever you

1207
01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:42.560
wanted to share, I know you
did have some scriptures as well that you

1208
01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:45.760
wanted to share with us. Oh
yeah, yeah, So just to share

1209
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:50.000
a couple of scriptures that that made
so when I became a flat earth and

1210
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:56.520
thinking about the Bible, everything just
made more sense taking a flat earth perspective.

1211
01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:58.920
So those of you guys who are
just listening, I just want you

1212
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:00.840
to just I want you to,
like picture this stuff in your head,

1213
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:04.840
and I don't want to spoon feed
you. You know the Bible, I'm

1214
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:09.319
just go grab a Bible, go
open up your ap and just look these

1215
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:13.920
passages up. For example, number
one, Genesis chapter eleven talks about the

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Tower of Babel. If you think
of that, if you imagine that the

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Tower of Babel is on a ball
that's spinning thousands of miles an hour,

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01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:25.199
imagine the people at the very top
of it just holding for their dear life

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01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:28.439
like that. That's just weird.
But if you take it from a flatter's

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01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:31.399
perspective, they're trying to get so
close to Heaven because it's right up there

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01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:36.560
and they wanted to get close to
God. So the Book of Jasher talks

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01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:41.760
about that. It's really interesting.
I found that really really interesting. So

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another one is Genesis chapter twenty eight
versus ten. They're twenty two when it

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01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:53.399
mentions Jacob's ladder. I mean,
what were the angels descending from or if

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01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:57.840
they're descending from Heaven on a spinning
ball, that's really it just doesn't make

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01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:00.640
sense. But if the Earth is
stationary there the Jacob's ladder, the angels

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01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:05.000
are descending from the ferminent above Heaven
above, going down to Earth and walking

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01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:11.199
back up on it, just plainly
as what the Bible describes it as.

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01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.880
Another one is Revelation chapter six,
Versus thirteen to fourteen, when it starts

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01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:19.199
about stars falling from the sky to
the Earth. I want you to just

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01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:24.720
imagine a star like serious or you
know, all the polities. Imagine those

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01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:28.640
fall on the Earth. We would
be burned up before they even you know,

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01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:31.079
made it to Earth. But no, these stars are just little luminaries

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01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:33.359
up in the sky. I don't
know what they are. Maybe they're like

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01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:38.119
fragments or sound waves, like there's
a lot of cool videos about how they're

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01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:42.880
just shimmering sound waves or lights that
they look like water. And if you

1237
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.840
take a flat earth perspective, there's
just little lights that are going to fall

1238
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:48.600
on the Earth when the sun turns
black and the moon goes blood. That

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01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:54.800
makes more sense on a flat Earth. Another one is Revelation chapter twenty one

1240
01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:59.159
Versus two and nine to twenty one
Versus nine to twenty one when it talks

1241
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:02.520
about the new dre jerusalein coming from
Heaven and its it shows the dimensions of

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01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:05.680
a cube. I want you to
imagine a cube on top of a ball,

1243
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:10.399
and then the ball is spinning like
that. How is the cube going

1244
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:13.520
to be held? Is the Earth
just strong enough with its gravity to hold

1245
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:17.319
it? But if it's a flat
stationary plane, a cubele lands still and

1246
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:19.920
we're going to be able to go
in through the pearl gates of God.

1247
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:25.720
Another one is Matthew chapter four versus
eight, when it talks about Jesus on

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01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:29.079
the high mountain and he sees all
the kingdoms of the world, when when

1249
01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:31.920
Satan is tempting him, like how
can you see all the kingdoms of the

1250
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:36.680
world if the other kingdoms are under
the ball or under you know, you

1251
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:40.000
can't see on the other side of
the ball. So on a flat earth

1252
01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:44.560
perspective, it makes sense. Another
one is Revelation nine verses one to two

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01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:47.119
the Bottomless Pit. This is actually
something interesting for you, George. I

1254
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:53.039
want to know your thoughts, but
I like to believe that when the Bible

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01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.359
says there's a bottomless pit, and
it mentions that a couple of times.

1256
01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:00.279
I think it's bottomless, so I
don't I don't know how deep the hole

1257
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:03.680
goes. But you cannot have a
bottomless pit on an earth, a ball

1258
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.760
earth. You're just gonna like they
used to make a joke, Oh you

1259
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:09.680
can dig all the way down to
China, you know what I mean.

1260
01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:12.840
That's you would find the hole on
the other side. But if you take

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01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:18.079
the Bible as truth, it's a
bottomless hole and it'll just keep going and

1262
01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:20.119
going and going. I don't know
what that is, but I trust the

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01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:24.800
word of God. Another one is
Genesis chapter six to eight, the flood.

1264
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.800
It just makes more sense. The
windows were open, the windows of

1265
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:30.119
heaven, the Shamaiya and the sky, it was open, and it filled

1266
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:34.640
up like when you fill up a
fish tank, right and they're held by

1267
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:39.319
the walls, and it was they
filled up so high. But if you

1268
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:43.520
look at a ball, like the
water is just gonna spread apart, and

1269
01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.199
now you have it spinning thousands of
miles an hour. It just that's really

1270
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:53.199
really weird. Another one is when
the sun stood still and Joshua and the

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01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:58.279
Sun stands still, and if that
happened, you can Yeah, you'd be

1272
01:26:58.279 --> 01:27:00.399
flown up. You talk about that
all the time. Another one is Daniel,

1273
01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.359
I Have three more Daniel chapter four
versus ten to seventeen. It talks

1274
01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:08.000
about a very high tree. Again, put that high tree on the ball

1275
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:10.800
and now spin a thousands of miles. It looks really funny, right,

1276
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:15.000
But if it's inside of an end
closed system like a dome or whatever it

1277
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:17.720
is, it makes sense to go
so high up in the tree that you

1278
01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:20.800
can see to the ends of the
earth. That's another thing. The Bible

1279
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:26.439
uses the word ends. That means
it ends there's an either an edge or

1280
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:30.159
something where you hit the crystal wall
or whatever that is. Another one is

1281
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:34.039
Acts chapter one, when Jesus ascends
into Heaven. I want you to imagine

1282
01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:40.079
Jesus ascending into Heaven while the earth
is spinning, so that it's just really

1283
01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:43.520
funny to think about that. It's
like where was he going too? You

1284
01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:45.840
know, it's where does he go? Is he just gonna go to?

1285
01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:50.279
And yeah, it's that that I
mean, that's what the That's what they

1286
01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:53.840
used to teach me in the youth
group. They're like, yeah, Heaven's

1287
01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:56.640
like somewhere else and I'm just like, man, this is so bad.

1288
01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:00.279
I mean, you know, thirteen
years later another and the last one is

1289
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:03.760
Genesis chapter one, verse fourteen.
When it talks about the lights in the

1290
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:08.760
firmament, it's very clear he puts
the sun the moon inside the fermament.

1291
01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.800
He breaks, you know, he
says he separates the waters that we're above

1292
01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.600
the fermament and the waters below the
fermament, and you put the stars inside.

1293
01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:21.159
So that only makes sense on a
enclosed system. But if you look

1294
01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:26.800
at the stars being outside in the
solar system, it just after seeing the

1295
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.239
sun under the what's it go behind
or in front of the clouds, It

1296
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:34.039
just it doesn't make sense. And
it's doesn't coincide with the Bible. So

1297
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:38.439
those those are just the things that
I want to share with people, and

1298
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:42.199
you know, go read it for
yourself, listen to the podcast and you'll

1299
01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:45.359
find more cool stuff. That's awesome. And could you do me a favor.

1300
01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:48.359
What was the verse and Revelations you
said with chapter and verse with the

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01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:54.600
cube? Oh yeah, the cube. So that's in Revelation chapter twenty one

1302
01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:58.560
versus nine to twenty one. That's
when it that's when it talks about the

1303
01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:04.239
dimensions, seven angels, et cetera. Yes, it describes a cube.

1304
01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:09.560
That's what the new drills one's going
to look like, which is really interesting.

1305
01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:15.239
Jasper Stone clear is crystal interesting.
Yeah, the like earlier when I

1306
01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:19.760
was talking about, uh, that
one what is it called that one Instagram

1307
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:23.800
page? I highly recommend you guys
check it out. It's really really good.

1308
01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:26.600
If there's any other one that I
would ever follow, I mean,

1309
01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:29.920
if there's any page I would follow, it would be hers. It's the

1310
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:34.079
Flat Earth Gate. It's g U
A t. E. Flat Earth Gute,

1311
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:41.760
and she has like up so much
knowledge on on Biblical passages, on

1312
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.600
everything. It's really really cool.
So you can get a lot more stuff

1313
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.960
on there, and it's laid out
really really well, so anything any kind

1314
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:51.000
of thing you want to look for, you can just click on that and

1315
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:55.600
it'll show you everything with all the
links. It's it's a really good resource.

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01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.479
I'm looking at it right now and
I already follow her. She's got

1317
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:05.119
seventeen thousand followers and she has different
categories Nasalis Antarctica, the Moon, Facts

1318
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:09.560
and Science, the Bible. It
is real And I will put this link

1319
01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:12.159
in the show description so people don't
have to go searching for it. They

1320
01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:15.239
can just click on the link and
follow. Yeah, and she's really cool

1321
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:17.720
too, Like if you send her
a message. Out of all the other

1322
01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:21.359
flatter people that I've messaged on Instagram, because I've been trying to like talk

1323
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:25.479
to other people about stuff, a
lot of them they probably think I'm a

1324
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:29.800
shill or they think that I'm just
a troll or anything. That this person

1325
01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:32.000
actually responded and I was like,
dang, you're really cool. And we

1326
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:36.039
will have conversations from time to time
and she'll send me some video, some

1327
01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:39.760
new stuff and I'm just like,
wow, this is this is awesome.

1328
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:43.640
So yeah, I'll try to reach
out to her. She really helped me

1329
01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:46.319
out in my walk. That's awesome. Maybe I'll try to reach out to

1330
01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:48.680
her and see if she wants to
come on. Yeah, I told her

1331
01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:54.840
she should come on. That's awesome. Well, it's been a tremendous ninety

1332
01:30:54.880 --> 01:31:00.199
minutes. It has flown by.
You articulate everything extremely well. You've had

1333
01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:08.079
a fascinating journey and much success to
you in the future. And it's funny

1334
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:11.920
all of us in this community share
the same struggles. We become a flat

1335
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:16.119
earthor we become very passionate about it. But the more anxious we get and

1336
01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:19.840
we try to share it, it
seems the more pushback we get. So

1337
01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:25.359
we try to control ourselves and as
we say, leave bread crumbs. That's

1338
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:29.479
right, It's just I love that
leaving bread comes. Yeah, So I'll

1339
01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:31.720
give you the final words, sir. Yeah, Well, thank you.

1340
01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:38.399
I really appreciate it you having me
on your podcast, and it's really I've

1341
01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:43.840
really enjoyed listening to everybody's podcasts or
what is it their the episodes and just

1342
01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:46.560
hearing everything like that. The look, what I just want to leave you

1343
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:50.319
guys with is I know that this
flat Earth stuff is cool. Conspiracies are

1344
01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:54.439
entertaining, and it's fun, and
you know, it's always great to find

1345
01:31:54.520 --> 01:31:59.199
stuff. But the most important thing
that I believe is that the flat earth

1346
01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:03.039
should point you to God. It
should point you to glorify Him and to

1347
01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:10.039
recognize that this earth was created for
us. He put the sun to shine

1348
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:14.239
light upon the earth, not to
shine up into the skies, but to

1349
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:16.920
the earth. So He created this
place for us, and it should point

1350
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:20.960
you to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which comes from First Corinthians, Chapter

1351
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:26.439
fifteen versus one of four, and
it says moreover, brethren, I declare

1352
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:30.479
to you the Gospel which I preached
to you, which also you received,

1353
01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:33.560
and in which you stand by,
which also you are saved if you hold

1354
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:38.920
fast that word which I preached to
you, unless you believed in vain.

1355
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:43.439
For I delivered to you first of
all that which I also received, that

1356
01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:46.800
Christ died for our sins according to
the scriptures, and that he was buried,

1357
01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:54.079
and that he rose again the third
day according to the scriptures. That's

1358
01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:59.000
awesome, Charles, thank you so
much. It's for sharing your journey and

1359
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:01.600
all the knowledge that you brought to
night. I learned a lot and I

1360
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:05.119
hope we can link up again in
the future, but that would be great.

1361
01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:08.600
Thank you so much, George yea, and thank you all for your

1362
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:12.159
continued support. Again. Send us
your emails and if you'd like to join

1363
01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:15.119
us like Charles did today, it
is the flat Earth Files at gmail dot

1364
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:18.479
com, and make sure you check
out the website, the flat earth Files

1365
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:23.720
dot com. And for Charles,
I'm George. Everybody have a great week

1366
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:26.720
and until the next time, my
friends, you keep your head on a

1367
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:34.119
swivel and we will see you you
are listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network,

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01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:39.199
Just the facts. Many