Hello everybody. Welcome to That's No Matter All, your weekly rock and heavy
metal podcast, and welcome to another edition of Hyperblasts will become at the week's
news in bite science fashion. My name is parent Haish elliott Is. I'm
going to assume it as we speak in a queue download. Everyone else seems
to be but Sam Dignon is back. And after everything that you got up
to in your time away, you came back and west Ham won the European
Trophy as well. Lovely you dizzing off that from last night. Honestly,
like being a west Ham fan is not easy. I'll tell you that.
Like this club like they they tires and lows and west Ham mostly lows like
or middles. But somehow we have gone in one of European Trophy up the
Irons. There you go. I hold you too that when we're talking about
fucking the Final Frontier or whatever whenever we get rounds who were talking about the
special whatever that appears. But you were away first at Slam Dunk Festival and
then up to Edinburgh to see Bruce Springsteen, which I'm sure you're going to
want to go off about in just a second. I got to see one
of the bills of the year, with Carcass bringing along onto Others and Conjura
on their first UK club tour since the nineties, which was Bananas. The
Liverpool date obviously was a hometown show for Carcass as well, which was particularly
special to be at which they hadn't actually played a show like that since the
heart Work tour, and they brought Bill Steers, Mum out and everything,
and it was all a really nice time. The two support acts were,
you know, both fascinating for how kind of like utterly different the sounds and
vibes were for like such a top to bottom stacked bill, but nothing remotely
similar really. Conjurer, I love how they just bully crowds into submission like
every time. Yeah, Like I've got to say like that. They've just
recently come back from a US tour with Kennis as well, and I was
seeing like some of my American you know, mutuals getting to see Conjure and
being like, oh, my fucking god, Conjure are like the best live
metal band in the world. Imagine half to play after that another kind of
thing, and it's like, yeah, we're quite lucky to just have them
here opening bills like this, and to be able to see, you know,
the carnage that happens during hardal, the sheer force of throat when Dan
comes from the front of the stage, sounds Mike and just you know bellows.
That is always amazing. Yeah, in a supports like they are still
quite leaning heavily on the Maya stuff, but they opened with Suffer alone,
which was like a jump scare, so that was good unto others. Meanwhile,
they keep tour of extreme metal bands when there's a sense that like half
the people there are confused as to why the fuck someone's singing at them the
audacity and going hull but you know, scared of a little bit melody.
There's some definite headshakers and skeptics, but equally a gaggle of people up the
front going mental for like Heroin and Nightfall. You know, great songs,
great showman ship, tweaking the setlist just a little bit every time they come
over here. After Download, which they got added last minute too, along
with Creeper, they're off to record a new album and then I very much
hope that the next time they come over here will be another headline tour,
because I would love to see some you know, Strength slide be stuff which
are just released as well, on top of the course any new material they
have that's out by then, Sam. Festival wise, we've got a bunch
of problems that we need to talk about. Say first, why don't you
take a moment to talk about the boss? Right? So yeah, Springsteen
obviously is one of my most sped I've been looking forward to this gig the
ages, and this is why I've not done like a lot of vessels,
because I was like, I'm not missing the next Springsteen tour. So I
couldn't get tickets for London they flew out, So I was like, well,
let's get to get to Edinburgh and go up a truck up there because
that's how much I would like nanted see Springsteen on stage at seven No supports
three hour set like this, and it was just incredible, Like he's seventy
three and he has more like charisma and just like rock star stage presence than
bands who collectively don't reach his age instead of just like the energy an enthusiasm
he kind of exudes is insane. How he can keep going that long,
like even after a couple of days before when he had a tumble on stage
and kind of like carried on like he's just the most like incredible showman I've
ever seen, just as like a performer setless wise, like they're coming on
opening with no surrender and just I was like from the moment they opened with
that, like absolute banger. I was completely sold on it from the moment
go every memory is like huge band of like twelve thirteen musicians on stage with
him, like he's coming out individual at the start to kind of like get
their moment. As a three hour set, you would expect there is going
to be a little bit of filler in the middle where they kind of get
into it, like a slight sort of like jam session thing with someone like
the more like let the band have the moments, and I've discovered Springton gets
away with things I would not let other bands night As get away with because
I was totally in on the band having their jam session. I was like,
yeah, you go and have your keyboard solo keyboard mate, like,
let's go. Because at the same time, Springs is so enthusiastic in him
encouraging the band to kind of like play. He's still like in the first
half, still dropping hits like the Promised Land and just um some of the
most recent album Ghosts that that was incredible. It was like track two,
like really just awesome set lists. The back half of the set list though,
which was when it got really sort spectac where it was just I saw
like the fucking like nine song Encore or whatever it was, and it's like,
I think, I think like basing more than two songs long. You're
pushing it nice, Springsteen, do your seventh song oncor make do it.
Some people are going like when you when you're opening your on call with a
Born in the US and then going straight to Born to run. It's the
best moment of my life. Like, the second half of the set list
was genuinely like the funal ninety minutes was the best thing I've ever seen live.
I can honestly say that I was completely just so. I was with
Mark as well was with me for that and the two of us were just
like happy dancing singing. It was genuinely incredible and like that he ends it
after doing that the most like raucous version of tenth Avenue freeze Out, like
given the entire band their instructions, ends it with him, just him,
with an acoustic guitar doing a song of the latest album, not not the
covers album, the one, the last original album, and this, and
how we can make this huge stadium show feel really intimate when he's doing a
member like that and kind of having connect with members of the crowd. And
I was quite far back, but it still felt like it didn't feel like
I was, you know, way off in the distance watching his title speck.
I could feel his performance, his kind of like connection with the crowd,
and it was really like impressive in that way, and felt like he
genuine clearly he still loves doing this and it's going to carry on doing it
until he can't. But I was so bad I got I've been able to
finally get to see it. My dad, who is like the reason I
like Springsteen, was getting competitive with me about all I've seen him. The
River in Fall. I was like, yes, Dad, we bought your
tickets to that one. You don't need to, you know, remind me.
But yeah, just one of the best, now, probably the best
I've ever seen, just in terms of like the note stage the stage show
is him and the band performing and they are just so engaging and it just
just absolutely incredible for three hours. I wasn't bored for a second. Love
that love to hear that slam Dunk. We're gonna be kind. You know
it's not We're not doing a slam Dunk review episode. We'd be briefed through
it very quickly. Let's say, top five sets, What were the best
things you saw at slam Dunk in brief best things? Oh this is what
do you know what? We'll start with number five, Scene Queen. It
felt like everyone I can't remember who was on at the same time as him,
but it felt like from what I saw, everyone went to go see
Scene Queen, and whoever was on at the same time struggled. Look,
what I will say is there's a couple of little kinks she needs to work
out as a live act. There's a bit too much reliance on backing tracks.
She's only got a drummer and a guitarist. Yeah, but she's also
still only got two EPs that it's a very kind of new act. But
I like her as a performer, her stage presence, her charisma again so
engaging, like so charming. Eighteen Plass on the following agains against Remember the
crowd shouted out the band name and you could like quite audibly hear it,
and that was a fun moment. But yeah, Scene Queen was fantastic.
Creeper, like of course Creeper just absolutely incredible, a bit of an odd
set list, but at the same time, Cried to Heaven, which you
know, like you were both raving about on the review show last week.
That live absolutely incredible and they are now, like I say, in their
cool eighties vampire era where they're all in leather jackets, like striking about the
stage proper rock stars. Shit. Um, I don't want to say this
with the biggest spires, but Four Years Strong were absolutely incredible as well.
This was when I had just run of like, um fo you strong strength
to the Mendingers, but yeah, Four Year Strong were awesome. Like I've
been waiting a while to see them again since they that last album really kind
of got me back on board with like loving what they're doing, and they
just came and it was just so like catching you folks, but mean and
like hefty at the same time, which I think was one of the things
that it's always been grabbed up for you as strong as they are like an
actual heavy pop punk band. The new song sounded great, the hits off
like the early albums sounding awesome. That was typically brilliant, Yellow Card Paying
Ocean, Avenue was great. But my number two set of the day,
I just want to give quick shout because Avenue was incredible and Shikari as a
headliner was just euphoric in terms of like I was with my mates, we
were just having the time of our lives, singing along, dancing, watching
the spects. Called that Shkira putting on kiss for the whole world, Please
set me on fire. They sound incredible live, blood shot, so quite
a bit of new stuff still, you know, dropping Labyrinth and anything can
happen off of Take the Skies a real nice career spanning set list. The
only thing that kind of got short changed a bit was the Spark But they
were incredible. But does that mean does that mean Number one is Kids in
Glass Houses? No? I didn't see Kids in Glass Houses because they clashed
with my number one pick, which is my favorite band, which is the
Mental. Yeah. Like it was one of those where I was like I
could watch fifteen minutes of Kissing Us House and then have to go the entire
length of the festival site Squeeze into the tent that's a real pain in the
us to get into, which we will probably covering some of the logistic problems
that Slammed kind of enjured. Or I could go watch four year Strong straight
into the Menzingers without a break in the tent, and I was just like,
I'm just gonna go do that. And the Menzingers were the best band
of the festival because the Menzingers came on then played the Menzinger's songs like they
can't really say much else apart from they played a brand new song which sounded
amazing, So that the album is done from the sounds of things and we
should probably be hearing more from it soon. But yeah, just the best
songs. They are just the coolest band. Mensinger's awesome. There you go.
And I'm very glad to hear you know that thing because that gives a
that gives a positive impression of the day, right, Like there were awesome
bands, awesome sets were played, you know, memories were forged, all
that good stuff you want from a festival. However, again, I was
not at slam Dunk. My my girlfriend was a slam Dunk. She went
to slam Dunk North, which I have gathered is even worse than what you
may have slam Dunk again, as an outsider, just going off what I
saw online, what I heard from her, etc. Slam Like a couple
of weeks ago was marred by I think the most volatile reaction to a festival
that I have personally ever seen in the rock scene in the UK. Like,
I don't remember anything like the I was getting ship for saying I enjoyed
it, people giving me a bit stick for saying I had a good time.
Yeah, I don't remember seeing anything like the uproar that we saw around
slam Dunk a couple of weeks ago. And now as we are talking about
this, we're currently seeing it happen again with the download car parking situation.
Car park seems to be the consistent who, the real consistent who called that
being the fucking theme of the summer being inadequate car punk car parking quickly On
the download front, again, this is happening as we are speaking, so
we will yet see how it turns out. You've got to imagine that at
least part of it is due to the extra day on download and maybe a
sense that obviously yesterday, as we're recording us with Wednesday, everyone turning up
for that as opposed to be like the people download normally. You know,
half turned up on Wednesday, half turned up on Thursday. Festival kicks off
Friday, so it's kind of split. Whereas this year there's still obviously been
a spill of people turning up on the Wednesday and the Thursday, but I
imagine far more people turning up on the one day is then that that day
was. Yeah, But then we're also seeing I've seen a lot of people
again, this is happening at the moment, and we'll see how the dust
cells. But I'm just kind of you noticed, It's it's routing through the
fucking the tweets that are getting out there of what's going on. A lot
of people are talking about the like you know, being directed to various car
parks, being told to follow signs, but the signs aren't there or you
know, not well you know, signed themselves or whatever, so people are
just driving. Over Age is getting lost. And we also heard from Elliott
who said that a number of the people who's coming to the festival with UM
have been unable to have their risk and scanned because of a lack of Wi
Fi on the site, which I presumi means the scanners going down again.
I don't exactly know what was going on. We will hear from some of
these things where we go to talk about download festival after the event, but
it's it's very fucking weird to see again, like two weeks apart, these
repeated things suddenly happening. But like I can't like say to it. But
from my experience slam Dunk's self was the online reaction apart from the car park
was exaggerated on site, with the exception of trying to get in and out
of the crank tent because they only had one side of this tent open alternate
stages that was a real choke point. And the food vendors, depending on
the time of day you went, they were they were long queues. But
I again, I my thing was, I don't see how me and all
my friends were collectively so lucky that we all managed to avoid quing more than
a couple of minutes for water, not cuing for a beer, queuing twenty
minutes tops for food. Like I well, I think there were people who
just using a little bit of initiative, you could have avoided the worst of
these scesiful problems like not using the toilets and the water right by the main
stage where it's the busiest going to one of the ones on the other side.
Again North, from the sounds things North was a complete well because the
car parking situation, I think certainly even at South sounded like it was,
Yeah, that's the one that was like, I'm not going to defend yeah,
which I don't imagine you will have driven there because yeah, I had
no trouble. By the sounds of it, there were issues with people essentially
that they kind of let everyone into the general car parts, meaning that people
who had paid for specific allocate park South, they will allow people to pay
on the day. Yeah, and that's that seemed like. And you know
again it's I saw a lot of people who feel like they've just kind of
gave up and turned away because if you're circling around a car park for a
fucking five hours, like um, missing most of what you want to see,
that it's not good, you know, at all. As said again,
I can't speak to either of these things. South that which happened the
day before, didn't it, So it South happened, Yeah, and there
were there was talk online of like, oh, this isn't going well,
right, and then North happened and it fucking doubled, right, And so
it seems like that was both a build up of the kind of just the
feeling around it and also the fact that North seemed to have double the problems
from it. The food cues, by the sounds of it at North were
fucking serious and yeah that again that that sounds like that was really yeah.
And there was a picture of kind of the food soil seemed to be all
kind of a similar kind of ones like marketplace area, And there was a
picture that someone had taken of just like kind of a sea of heads and
it looked like the photos of like the mal outside bucking and Palace for the
coronation. It was like there was no clear like cues of like where you
know, if you're queuing for let's say this burger van whatever you go in
this one. It just looked like a mass of people with no kind of
organization and it looked like something I'm going to hurt as well. That it's
like almost feels like you who get crushed in there and did not look good
at all. My girlfriend also again her particular anecdote of like everyone has their
one story of the thing that happened closest to them whatever. She said.
She was queuing for food, and she was queuing for a long time going
up to this one particular stand, and the person behind her, the one
of the security guards or whatever, came over and said, oh, you
are essentially like the cut off point. No one who is like after you,
it's going to get food because the transactions on the card machines had reached
like a maximum amount. It was like, we can't process any more transactions.
So if you were behind essentially my girlfriend in this queue for this stand,
and you've been queueing there for god knows how fucking long, you know,
half an hour, whatever it might be, you can be queue in
there for that whole time and then be told, oh, actually you can't
come and get this food, and then you'll have to go and que somewhere
else. Were the more time, you know, fucking ridiculous day of affairs.
The originals apparently burst. It was like a river of pisco through like
it seemed it seemed like carnage. Yeah, Like, like I said,
North from some of the things did seem like a lot of the complaints were
very legit, and it sounded like it was a real a mess. South.
I can honestly just go from my own experience that wasn't perfect. There
were definite problems. But I think I don't know if this is some people
who have like this is their first time leaving the house in like two years
to go to a big event and they've just kind of not taken the time
to plan things out properly. I don't know. But South was, yeah,
as bad as I'm not going to again, because there is very much
the possibility that people experience things just kind of out of you know, your
peripheral view. But like it seemed like South had mild problems and then North
had serious problems. And yeah, we had a question today about whether this
is like poor event organization or if it is, as you say, the
adjusted expectations of festival goers kind of post pandemic, you know, for a
while. But we've had a couple of summers now where festivals coming back,
and nothing like this has happened in terms of the backclash to a single event.
We didn't have anything like this to this scale in twenty twenty one or
twenty twenty two, So it feels like, you know, there's no smoke
without fire, and the you know that the statement that they made first of
all of being like, you know, we acknowledge there were a problem as
old. Everyone just fucking like when insane on it like threw it right back
out them, and then they had to open up like a feedback survey essentially
complaints, which again I've not seen a festival in our you know, sort
of sphere um doing it. Seems again, I've never seen anything quite like
it. Well with the whole that they're staming, like what else were people
expecting slam lunk to salve? Then, like we we you know, we
were told we were up to standards, we weren't over capacity and all that.
If that's what they've been told, that's what they've been told, and
they and they I think people wanted to be told they're getting a refund.
I mean again, if you are someone who fucking got stuck in a car
part for six hours, maybe probably should have refund, you know, yeah,
I know, no I agree with that, but there was just there's
some weird things. I think part of it. I think, you know,
these of festivals are probably trying to cut costs and find a little like
sure becaus where they can cut costs a little bit. And they were also
Download and Slam Dunk. This is the first time they've been sold out,
like like in god knows how long Slam look at the new sites, the
first time they've ever been sold out, So that's more people than ever.
Download is obviously completely sold out and I can't remember the last time I saw
that happen. So that's the volume of people they're dealing with. I like,
I think it is somewhere in the middle of the festival organizations. They
are definitely slipping up somewhere. I don't know if it's where they've been cuting
costs or just genuine just out of the blue mishaps. Who knows, But
yeah, I think some people might just need to Like I think some people
are just not expect not planning things out maybe or like if everyone's going to
the same place that you know the peak time, that's going to be busier.
But yeah, I can't I think it's early days were download right now.
I do hope that after this initial rush that we've seen, it clears
up and people are able to have a great rest their weekend. I mean,
Download might be lucky that it's all happened on the day where there's no
bands and people have just been sat in a car for that. Yeah,
I mean, I mean it's still happening again. It's still been happening today
as we've be talking about it. The download Twitter accounts has been constantly updating
with travel with maation and stuff. I hope people are able to get into
the Metallica tonight. Right again, we'll hear back about this slam Dunk.
I think a lot of people aren't going to go back right like they've had
it particularly. I think people will. I think people will talk and they'll
go back. It depends what the line appears. Now. Certainly there were
some people I think if you know, particularly maybe if they went to north
and it was particularly serious or whatever like, and that was their experience.
So I think, you know, whether some of it exaggeration. I still
think that there are clear issues that Sam slam Dunk need to address if they're
gonna, you know, kind of improve the thing going forward. So that's
the events of the last couple of weekends. I suppose the AB will see
what goes down with Download News proper starts with something that is very very bizarre.
It's whatever the hell is going almost lipknot right now, because I mean
this almost seems like something that we're almost recording a day too early for too
truly, we're talking about developing story. So the first thing that happened is
that Clown announced that he wasn't going to be part of this European tour that
is currently happening as we speak, because he's staying at home in order to
care for some sick family. And that is you know, it's not it's
not a band shaking announcement, right like obviously we it's completely understandable. We
absolutely universonal lives come first. Yeah, obviously, we we absolutely wish our
best to to to Sean and you know the surrounding creating family and so on.
But you imagine, you know, when it comes around just lit we're
doing new music whatever. Eventually he's going to return to the band. This
isn't a long term kind of issue for for the future of the band.
The next day, as far as I can tell, they announced in a
very sudden, very short, very lacking in lunch to the point ye lacking
in information statement announced that Craig Jones, the long time sample playing member of
Slip not Pinhead himself, is partning ways with the bands. He is an
original member. He's been in the band for I think twenty seven years.
Of the stat I saw earlier, one of you know, the handful of
original members who were there going back, which you don't remember, like it's
even Jim Root isn't technically an original member. Even Corey Taylor isn't technically an
original member like Craig I think you know, probably played on Mate, Feet
Kill Repeat. That's how far back we are we are going with this and
out of nowhere, this statement that doesn't say anything. It was just with
part away in a way that was so sudden. And you've got to remember
this European tour is happening now. They played their first show yesterday. This
statement came out hours before they played the first show of the European Festal run.
Extremely fucking bizarre. You would expect that to happen, you know,
before the tour takes on again. We're going to talk about what this might
mean for Sliping not whatever in terms of losing Craig Jones whatever in a second.
But the story didn't stop there, because then even stranger, that statement
was then deleted from all the sociality pages I just vanished and everything that we
saw for just yeah, we're parting with Graig Jones was no longer there anymore.
But then what they uploaded in its place was a photograph of a new
masked member. What the fuck does any of this mean? I have neither.
It has been a weird turbulent time for slip knot like I mean,
I mean they were banned him are no strangers to you know, like turbulent
kind of like moments in their career, But this one just feels so just
bizarre in how it's all playing out without any explanation, right in the middle
of like right at the start of a European tour that's kicking off as it's
going. You know, it's not even like the build up to the towel.
You know, they're rolling out. They played the show yesterday, the
day they made the announcement. They're playing download on what Sunday? Is it
Saturday or Sunday Sunday? And so I mean obvious clown not being there for
this particular a tempt taught again completely understandable. We hope to see him return
in future, but it would be I guess. He is such a huge
part of the live show. You can't imagine him not hitting the keg on
one side of the stage. It will be fascinating to see who they have
I guess in his place, whether that percussionist slot is filled or whatever kind
of when it comes to again the download experience and everything, but Craig Jones,
I mean the very sudden nature you would imagine that he would have been
on this tour until I don't know again, but like if anyone has footage
or whatever of the last Night show, again, it feels like we're very
early days in terms of about to be able to make a judgment on this.
We wait to see. They'll be footage come out of the shows.
Got to see if they've got behind them. Because the fact that it happened
so like again hours minutes, even close to a tour beginning, is the
most strange thing about this. But then also the fact that they deleted the
statement showed a new member, but after deleting the statement, it this is
stranger than when you know, just Chris was out of the band, or
Jerry was out the band, or whatever, because at least that felt like
a like a not on the flying decision, right, Yeah, that felt
like you know, this has been just discussed and whatever. Yeah, they've
pired ways. This is now just kind of like like I say, minutes
of the information you're given, which I don't know what the fuck we're doing
right now. Yeah, Like again, like I feel like maybe tomorrow will
know more, Like who knows that there is obviously other bits of this puzzle
coming out as and as and when it develops, like there might as well
recording this right now, we might come off and find out there's even more
shocking surprise news. But the Patrick Clay Jones is just the weirdest part of
it because it just like it was just so blunt in the statement. There
was no elaboration yet at all. So I almost don't want to comment too
heavily because we have solo information in terms of if he is at the band,
which again I don't I don't entirely trust. I don't know if he
is at the moment because the statement was deleted, but if he is out
of the band, that is another one of the original nine gone. It
is someone who I think, more so perhaps than when Chris Fenn without the
band. This is someone who you detects their presence quite heavily on the recorded
output of visually as well, he's got one of the most sure Yeah,
I mean that's that's similar to Chris. I mean more like again, particularly
like the last couple of sliping albums, it feels like we've spoken about the
input of like Craig and Sid the electronic yeah, quite a lot, particularly
again on like the you know, the last record and some of the kind
of moodiest things that they were doing there and so on. It's not like
a singer right where there is like the most detectable obvious voice, where if
if that's changed, that's a very very obvious thing that maybe what Craig Jones
does, they can find someone of a similar talent to do without too much
kind of fanfare. But it's certainly like his contributions to slip knot material should
not be looked, even if he's always been probably the most anonymous member of
slip Knot, And if they weren't to like, if this was just to
be a kind of like, you know, we just stripped that element out
of the sound, you would certainly notice it and I wouldn't expect them to
do that for that reason, but um, certainly musically it feels like it's
a departure, that it's a it's a space that needs to be filled right
else you're going to Yeah, but God knows what's going on in terms of
the reasoning for this, what's happening with it again, news to come it.
It was a very very bizarre thing. And that's also not it with
the slip information and the fact that I suppose they're doing this simultaneously with the
Craig Jones kind of announcement just makes it all feel bizarre. But again,
within fucking you know, hours of all that going down, they were had
launched a new teaser website which was kind of teasing has has a video on
it. I have seen things floating around the Internet that suggests there is going
to be an e he dropping dropping tonight at midnight. I have seen the
adda Role EP which contains kind of tracks and you know, deconstructed elements and
stuff from the song Addairaal, which is hilarious because I love adderall right,
Like, I think it's a great song. I thought it was pressing play
on that slate. The album and being greeted with that was one of the
most like surprising and engaging kind of moments from a large band like that that
we've had in the last couple of years. And I think it's a really
great song, but it's every all the backclash that had happened around that last
setting album. Adderall was the poster child song for it, right, Like
it was the most different song on the album, and it was literally the
first thing you heard when you press play, and people fucking threw their toys
at the Prome about Adderall, And I think it's so funny, particularly when
again we've been discussing the strange stability of their setlists and the fact that they
haven't actually been playing very much of that album at all, despite the fact
they were really talking the talking interviews of like we love this album, we
don't care what anyone else thins or whatever, but they weren't representing it necessarily
to then suddenly do this switch around again and release a EP based around the
most hated so the album. If that is indeed what this turns out to
be come tomorrow. Yeah, Like I just again like I'm down for that.
I think not take do what he is creatively fulfilling for you. But
it is just like I say, is turbulent in a way that you don't
often like see for a big band so publicly in a where like again they
like that, you know, the album gets a bit of a kick in,
they back up, but then it's not in the lives. But now
they're they're pushing the most sort of left field track on there. I'm again
I fly different things to say about this because I'm like, I don't know
what's actually coming from it. We'll see tomorrow. I guess we'll more on
this next week. Yeah, I mean, I guess for me again,
I want to see some footage of the shows that are happening this week to
see what's going on with you know, who is in Clowns place for this,
but also what's happening with Craig. I want to see if there's any
fucking development so on why this statement was taken down, all of this kind
of stuff. It's so up in the air at the moment. I guess
just in the kind of the long term, if Craig is gone, that
is something that needs to be addressed. And I guess want to throw to
you one last time point we move on about what do you think about some
of the backclash that we've seen too. I saw you commenting on it earlier
online about kind of I guess slip Knot and some of the turmoil that they've
had. I'm just like, I know the Last Time was divisive, but
I don't one of them, seeing the remarkable of Slimnot, should just call
it a day because of like they've lost so many members now, I mean
two of those members have died, Like you can't really like you know,
I know, Joe's obviously out of the band before that, but this is
still you know that that happens. I don't see why, Like to me,
I was I kind of jokingly made the market. Wasn't the Corey Taylor
solo record that has just done that much damage to their reputation because like that
was bad. But I still bring that Last Time album is the most interesting
move they've made in a good whild because it was just different. But yeah,
like I understand, you know when this is about you know, the
nine that was like the thing for so long. Yeah, when that is
down to the five, Like I can understand why people might be be like,
well, like I feel a bit touchy about it, but I don't
see why I haven't earned, you know, at least some degree of trust.
And again, like you look at the set that I'm not going to
go into the spots sets, but the sellers they've pulled out of this first
show back, I should say stability. The one they did play yesterday was
fucking awesome. The sellers they pulled out is fucking amazing right now. So
like it's like when we're talking about you know, SIL, who could often
play a bit safe for their set lists. They're doing that and that's really
cool. So I'm willing to give SIL, you know, I think they
have earned the trust to be like to weather out again turbulent periods where they
can then come back and still don't really impressive. I don't. I've not
got my knives out for them in the slides, just like I've seen a
lot of people do just because members are leaving. You know, that happens
with a lot of bands, and some bands, you know, carry on
strong, and some bands it does make a big creative like difference. I
guess we'll see what the next sort of thing comes from, whether this this
like lineup change has a big impact. But yeah, I'm I'm a bit
baffled by the amount of like venom and backlash that's slipping at the moment.
Yeah, we'll pick up on this a little bit, like we've got a
question. But some other bands departures I guess that have happened at the moment.
Rob Caggiano is out of Volbeat. He's been there for ten years and
I you know, he tends to drift. He's sure be back with with
someone soon, but you know, notable there. They are a big band.
M in Flames bassist has left and this is mental. Liam Wilson,
formerly the Diligent Escape Plan, is filling in for them on Base Live on
this summer run, which I like Inflames in jets and energy into the imagine
that again he can sleepwalk this right, like Yeah. And also something that
I've literally just seen that's come through like since we'd recording, is that Um,
Derek Grant has left the Alkaline Trio UM, the founding drummer. I
believe um that. Yeah, that is news to Yeah again, I'm looking
at this now. It's happened while recording. UM. He's talking about the
demands of being in a touring band and just wanted to take a state back,
a step back for his mental health and everything presumed to be the family
again, very very kind of on the Flying News there. But yeah,
that is notable. Um I suppose, Well, you know, we'll see
what happens with the Alkaline Trio, who currently down to an Alkaline duo going
forward. Let's talk about some music. Teenage Wrist have announced their new album.
This is I think the most exciting one this week. Teenage Wrists album
is going to be out on I believe August the fourth, and they've released
a song from it. They've been reducing a few singles, right this is
I think the third. I hadn't been listening to any of the others because
there was no album announcement or anything, but I did listen to this one.
Kind of impressions to date of what Teenage rest Teens Trist have been putting
out there, Yeah, no, they've I don't know if I've loved any
of these singles as much. I love that last album right now because that
that last album was so good, But you know, it's still more quality
music from Teenage Rist. I think this the latest single, it's probably the
most impressive I really this new Songs still love I really like. I think
it's got a great use of texture, Like the guitars sound really strong and
powerful vocals as well, which is something that a lot of these bands don't
really have. So this is a good song and it's a nice conscious with
I'm not super familiar with Soft Cult, who are the best thing on it,
but like it's a nice conscious between him having the more powerful and then
her vocals being a lot more sort of wistful and dreamy. It's a nice
kind of mesh between the two. But yeah, like really luscious, dreamy,
like typical thing you'd expect from teenage rist. I'm it's definitely kind of
putting on, Like, Yeah, the second half of this year is shaping
up nicely for my sort of albums right now. Yeah, that is exciting.
Ifaca have announced their first US tour. It's quite really called the Your
Fear of Us Tour and the poster has a large orange cowboy hat photoshopped onto
a jibiller in the dress. Um, if you are one of our American
listeners and you've been waiting to see if the curs since the release of They
Fear Us, or if you've never listened to them, you should go and
see them anyway, because they're boody, brilliant. Um. I look forward
to the video of them playing the Saint Vitus in NYC. Looks fucking great.
And also over here this is awesome, municipal waste. It's a good
time. Yeah, having out a UK and Island headlining tour and they're bringing
along Gel and Undeath, which is for a mixed bill of like, you
know, three different kind of bands there. But what a fucking night out,
what a party? Yeah, like legitly like you've got a real like
hardcore punk, scrappy sort of like minute long songs. You've got undefinitely one
of the best kind of new Yeah, definitely. Undeath are probably the most
fun live band of the current crop of death memos, like they just have
by seem not the ones who've got the fun, they have the best vibe.
So it'll be perfect for that, Yeah, I imagine like Joe,
I'm not I'm not talking about they've had to put out out yeah to do
it, there's my chance to him so yeah, and then and the Immunist
ways too. Again, I'm just doing this for the ways, like I
mentioned this when I saw them with great. You just need to see them
every now and then just to up on that, like I'll take a headline
headline forever. Yeah no, but I'm not even I'm like them headline with
this source of port bill. That's really just a good time and I'm so
down to go and just head bang stop that ever have a part. Yeah,
and it's not a surprise either, but good or municipal ways for bringing
out some really like, you know, exciting contemporary bands, bands who are
obviously you know, not too long ago that would have been them in those
kind of positions, but like they're you know, they know what to do.
That sounds like a fucking great time. And then the last piece of
news I want to talk about is the news that the Iron Chic passed away,
which is obviously wrestling news rather than yes, rocking metal news. But
people may remember possibly my favorite news story of the time that I've been doing
TNM was the time when Shaggy Tu dopea insane clown posse drop kicked and dropped
man old stage and drop kicked someone in limp Biscuit while they were playing and
ignite a feud a feud which you may remember was solved and the piece who
was made buying none other than The Iron Cheek with a tweet which read the
Shaggy too Dope, you are a good man, but your drop kick is
fucking drizzling shits even worse than the Brian Blair. Also, DJ Lethal is
my brother. I don't like to see my brothers fight Bubba so al someone
who know nothing about wrestling. The Iron Cheek is someone who's presents likeways an
incredible joy all I'll just says, fuck whole Cogan, the whole Cogan,
the whole Hogan. I even made him get a bowler is a video I
see'd remember. So yeah, you know, an incredible character who sometimes crossed
over to the worlds of rock and metal. Drizzling shits forever rest in Piece
of the Iron Cheek questions, Alex Atherton kicks us off, saying, inspired
by the things to the oath Breaker Special and discovering Eros and Teros, what
are the great lost predecessor albums? I'm talking about the albums before the classic
which maybe almost as good but now get overlooked. Power Metal by Pantera.
No I'm joking, or I do enjoy that album, Um, I mean
from Maelstrom into this as well. Like I said, it's almost like Maelstrom
too is almost too Terris and Terrorists where it's on Terrorist is to Rail where
it's like they had a habit of releasing albums that immediately made their last really
great album be kind of unfairly forgotten. Thinking about other specials we've done,
like Portrait of the Goddess by bleeding through, the greatest love song six six
six, maybe the Ceth type of kills which engage a little bit. I
think Stack prevailed by jimmyt World before, like the they began their real run
was one that we really went hard on in that regard. Similar thing,
but chaos fhere in a way like kind of like I don't have got Like
again, I'm not assooming a misuing, but I feel like that's kind of
like the last of the early misue rounds before they're they're kind of watching real
classics, but more like contradictions collapse, which is I like it. It's
not anywhere near as good as like you know, the six and Sugar records
are follow it, but like I mean, the big one that immediately spungs
mind for me, is Dave Breaker by I was going to question them that
that. I was going to be like, would you put day Breaker into
this camp? I would absolutely put Dave Breaker into this category because like that
was, you know, after after the trouble that was the here and Now,
Dave Breaker was the kind of like the album that was. It was
because says, oh, you know, they're doing what they're good at again,
they're standing the ship a little bit. But I think you know,
the album's got these colors don't run on it, yeah, like Alfameka,
but I think there's like a load of really cool stuff on that record that
that gets overlooked. And then um Loss Trevor Lost Together was kind of like
the start of the classic Architects run that is that we know and love today.
But yeah, I think Dave Breaker is definitely one and the only one
that kind of spung to mind, which again maybe because it's sandwiched between two
absolutely like Tante Classics but Rented World by the Menzingers, I think is a
kind of like a bit like, yeah, people don't actually people get how
good that album is. Nob No, I agree, I think I was
thinking about it. There are a bunch of albums that you can always have
as like sandwich albums, right, like yeah, not quite this question,
but things that are sandwich between two like huge records like that one is that
maybe don't get quite get that love. I think that would be a good
example of that, Shure. The two big ones that came to mind for
me for this is one is still Life by Opeth, which is my favorite
Opath album. I think I've said all that one here many times. But
that comes right before Blackwater Park, which itself then leads onto you know,
Deliverancenation, Damnation and Ghost or Reveries everything that's like the real classic Opath run
that everyone talks about. But Still Life comes in right before Blackwater Park,
and for me is the one. And really the Link by Gagira, which
is reallyased actually huge before from Master Series, I mean, Tera and Cognitia
is a really great record as well, But the Link I fucking love and
it's so blisteringly heavy but so awesome and intricate in and you know, only
something Gagira could have made. I like it probably, I mean, certainly
more than Fortitude, perhaps on a similar level, if not slightly more than
than than Magma. I think bactically the record I love. I would love
to then put more stuff from it back in the setlist, you know,
bring Indians back, do the full song of Remember It's not just a little
breakdown at the end, all that kind of stuff. That for me is
definitely one of my number one shouts for this Um The Harvest Floor by Countycapitation,
which comes before Monolith in Humanity, which then starts kind of you know
the real the classic caategory is right kind of check in. Yeah, Like
the Harvest Floor is an amazing record and it's it's more than you know,
Humanure kind of you know slop order, which I love that as well.
About the Harvest Way, I think is a really brilliant underrated record. Um
Manifest Decimation definitely set some of the stage for Nightmare Logic and kind of probably
deserves a little bit more kind of yeah love in hindsight, Um, I
mean I said I am king, like yeah, but I think I mean
I kind of drew that thing with aeros and terras, Yeah, like I
kind of compared it to Ario Centers on that special. I think show Bears
by Muse is like a fucking unbelievable, like slightly progressive alternative rock album that
comes before you know, Originsymetry and the rest. Yeah. I think one
of the big ones which the world kind of collectively came around on is Soulside
Journey by Dark Throne, which is kind of the the lost death metal album
before they turned into at album started what people know them for. But then
you know, years later people were like, hang on, that one definit
album released was brilliant. Um. Elliot's not here to say in Casino out,
so I'll say that for him, I should say that I love it.
Yeah, I mean, I know Relationship Command is one of my favorite
albums ever, but yeah, I think we did the refused album Club as
well, which was a similar deals. Like, not that anyone's arguing that's
as good as Shape of Punk to come, but you know, interesting conversation
to be had. Um. I mean there's loads I could throw out.
I mean, like, my favorite Halloween album has probably always been Walls of
Jericho, which comes slightly before they kind of really defined you know, power
metal as we know it. Pale Folklore by Agalock before the Mantle White Tune
by Or of Plagues before Mammal, maybe all of the Priestlaughter of the Soul
at the Gates, stuff like Tellable Spirit, Disease loads there and onto.
The last question here is Chris Beale's Lacy says, with the sun out,
what are the best summer albums? And this I would just say that is
a question for our summer album Roulettes, that I'm sure we'll be bringing back,
you know, sooner rather than lay so. Speaking of that very place,
we've still got our album Club Pack there where we spoke about nine inch
Nails to Broken Epa, Baroness, Yellow and Green, the Hotelier Satiricon we've
still got as mentioned as well the four hour Oath Breaker special where we gave
a definitive critical history of one of the greatest heavy bands of our lifetimes.
Over the summer, we will be bringing back the Roulettes. We will be
bringing aback the eight Z of Awful. We have just opened up a poll
over there as well for patrons with a handful of band special considerations that we
have and people have been voting giving us an idea of what band specials we
are going to be undertaking in the second half of twenty twenty three or so,
so you can go and take a look at that next up there for
this weekend is recording our Tynander's horror episode on the works of one Harry Aster,
which I don't know. I don't know if many of you have actually
seen bo Is Afraid, because the wider you know, talk around it has
been understandably, I think, very lessened compared to the wildfire successes of Hereditary
and Midsummer. But part of that is that you will never see a fucking
movie like it again, and we are going to go all in on why
and at the same time give the full deep dive treatment to Hereditary and mid
some of those earlier two movies that we have given, like this is going
to be our longest like if you thought the Robert Eggerson was on I don't
know, by putting in a similar ballpark, you know, we did this
treatment for The Witch and everything. We've done it for Get Out and Open
Us, and we're got to try and gauge why these movies have become like
the poster children of modern horror. So that is a patron dot com slash
that's no matter releases for this Friday. It's a very small week this week,
which is a good thing because every big band released their album last week
and I've still not got round to fully listening to all them fell the I
thinging from Levers. Still want to check that the Events album is fucking the
Events of trying and wrap my head around that crackers and't it to be discussed
in our upcoming reviews. But today the big one that we probably will be
reviewing in the upcoming up as well is god Flashes Purge, their first record
in I think six years. I'm excitedly be god Flash. The other one
that I would really recommend and shout out is as a death metal band called
Torture Rack, which is a fucking brilliant name, but they're a good band,
very heavy, very evil. Their record was called primeval Onslought Elsewhere.
Scar Symmetry have come back with the Singularity Phase two Xenotaph Phase one, I
believe came out in twenty fourteen. So the most protracted pairing of albums that
you probably don't need it has ever been. Never really been interested in Scar
Symmetry. I saw them once at Bloodstock. They were all right, yeah,
just very okay European metal, but you know they are back in hardcore.
There's Gelled, which is like gel but with a D on the end,
it's to get even more fucking confused about all the hardcore one word names
around. But this is on Relapse Records, and I checked a bit out
and it sounds really like hyper aggressive and a gnarlie. The record is called
Currency Slash Castration for some kind of slightly experimentally you know, heavier sludgy stuff.
It's about called Johnny the Boy, and I think it's just called You
More Psychedelic, you know, Stonery Fair. There's Black Rainbows, Super Skull,
and a couple of EPs, Super Bloom Life's a Blur who are one
of the better kind of you know, sort of grungy alternative rock bands around.
He likes the album from was it last or two years? Two years
ago? Yeah, I feel this EP has like quite a lot of traps
on it. They're just you know, short traps. So there might be
a decent helping or superman check out. And also an EP from Glass Casket,
who are like a death core band, not one of the newer deathcore
bands, but a returning deathcore band from many a year ago, with an
EP that they have got out as well, So check those out. That's
it from us this time next week. There may not be a hyper blasts.
What we are hopefully going to have is a download review episode. We
will have to talk to Elliott when he gets back about when he can do
it, but that is what we are aiming to have come your way next,
which is exciting because we haven't done a download episode every single year of
late, but it's lovely to get to do that for you know, the
biggest event ever, the twentieth anniversary show here all about Metallica twice. You
know that feels right if they are ever able to get out of the car
parkque and make it back to us so we've been that's no mat all.
We'll see you see