WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:07.559 Well, whiskey, come and take my pay money all, Oh whiskey, 2 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:15.439 don't you let me? From power Line blog dot com and produced by Ricochet 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:22.679 dot Com, this is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, 4 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:29.160 John You, and power Lines International Woman of Mystery Lucretia. Have you 5 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:35.359 gotta giving? Let that whiskey bloon when you're being in love down and low. 6 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:44.240 Welcome everybody to the three Whiskey Happy Hour. This is a very very 7 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.719 very special edition tonight. I don't know why, but just because I'm going 8 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:52.039 to band back together. Yeah, that too, That's part of I was 9 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:54.439 gonna say all the reasons, dread, I wanted it to be a very 10 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.439 special edition. But it's so great to see John, except that John of 11 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:03.799 course is again out partying in a hotel without sufficient bandwidth, so we can't 12 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.879 see his face because his video is too choppy. So he is back from 13 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:12.159 Egypt. It's a good thing in Egypt. Who said I was in Egypt? 14 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:18.319 I Biden? Biden said you were in Egypt. Yeah, you were 15 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:22.159 down in Mexico. But you know, in Mexico it's also a difference, 16 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:23.760 right, yeah, exactly. I'll tell you one way probably thinks were in 17 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:29.959 the middle of the War of eighteen forty eight. That's with Midrands as commanding 18 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:34.239 general. But you know how you can tell John's back from somewhere, John 19 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:37.760 is McDonald's stock rally this week, because you know it's last week while you 20 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:41.640 were gone. So down one hundred, No, just just a lot. 21 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.400 I didn't say a hundred, it was just down a bunch. So actually 22 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:49.280 they said that the reason that the stock fell was because the uh oh, 23 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.760 the corporate people admitted that their prices had gone way way up. I guess 24 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.719 because they admitted it, then their stock fell. I don't understand how that 25 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.239 worked. Oh no, no, I thought you guys would have liked this 26 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:04.319 story. So I read a story while it was in Mexico. Actually from 27 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:12.240 that said Starbucks and McDonald's said that they were the subject of boycott's and misunderstandings 28 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.719 about their position on the war in Gaza. Right, yeah, yes, 29 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:22.919 because is this right? The McDonald's in Israel are giving free food to all 30 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.800 the soldiers fighting. Made me want to go there, and I did, 31 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.879 and that's when I was disappointed. But still yeah, but now they're walking 32 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.680 it back, is what you're telling me. John. No, they were 33 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:38.159 saying that was the cause for some of the loss because other people are not 34 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:43.439 going to McDonald's anymore because they object to what McDonald's Israel is doing. That's 35 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.560 what I meant, Well, this is for them. Those were the whole 36 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:51.560 intersectionality business is breaking down because the left hates McDonald's, right. It's you 37 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.560 know, they had the Super Size Me movie and you know, beef and 38 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.879 all the rest of that. On the other hand, so if they weren't 39 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.840 cutting them or attacking them for some tie to the Middle East, they'd be 40 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.280 attacking them for something else. Which, by the way, who had the 41 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:08.919 worst well, Biden had the worst week. Maybe we'll come to that. 42 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:13.479 Think of what it's like these days to be a climate protester. You show 43 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.039 up somewhere to block a road and the moss protesters are already there and they've 44 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:22.840 beaten you to the punch. So's tough times for certain segments of the left 45 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:28.199 right now. Actually, I turned against McDonald's a long time ago after Ray 46 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.960 Crook's widow. Oh yeah, what ah. I can't use the word I 47 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:36.960 want to use, and I can't think of another one that would replace it. 48 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.719 But how despicable is that to get all that money from your husband's genius 49 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:46.400 and then completely misuse it in ways that he absolutely would be She became a 50 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:52.159 big lefty donor. Uh in the eighties she started giving seven figure contributions the 51 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:57.319 Democratic National Committee and all kinds of other left A good conservative at least a 52 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.840 Nixon conservative, right, which is you know those are pretty good these days. 53 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:05.840 Yeah, anyway, enough of enough of McDonald's. I had pizza tonight 54 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:11.680 for dinner because it is National Pizza Day. I heard that. Yeah. 55 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.000 This is also I believe the fiftieth anniversary of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, 56 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:21.319 which I never remember from my youth. But yeah, yeah, And we 57 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:25.560 didn't even discuss the fact that the other day it was a fiftieth anniversary of 58 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:31.079 Blazing Saddles, Right, the best movie ever made? Are you guys talking 59 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:35.319 about things? Nobody who listens to this show knows? Oh god, everybody 60 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:41.639 there's There is nobody who listens to the show who hasn't seen and loved Blazing 61 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:46.680 Saddles. Upte you John, Yeah, I saw it once once. Yeah, 62 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:49.319 I didn't think it was that funny. I thought it was funny, 63 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.560 but I didn't understand why it was such a why it's, you know, 64 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:57.800 such a landmark in humor films. So, first of all, John Blazing 65 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.240 Saddles as cannon, which means you' to study it and read it over and 66 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:05.000 over again, like play those republic and it gets better. And caddy shack, 67 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.759 you know a caddy shack guy find funnier. I find caddy shack funnier. 68 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.759 Okay, I think we need to do sort of top ten cannon movies 69 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:16.920 for a future episode. Not right now, but no, no, right 70 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.079 now. But I don't even know how you talk to somebody if you can't 71 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:26.439 speak the language of Blazing Saddles exactly. That's right anyway, great game of 72 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.279 life. Okay, I've got well most of the things in Blazing Saddles. 73 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:32.560 You can't stay on campus anymore. Maybe that's the one I still say them. 74 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:40.000 Gabby Johnson speaks authentic frontier gibberish. It sounds like a faculty meeting anyway, 75 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:44.000 does And I have often actually said when I get asked some question by 76 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.399 by faculty that you know, I don't have the answer to because I'm only 77 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:53.399 you know, mid level administration, And I'll say, mongo, just pawna 78 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.079 and just like you said Steve. So I thought you were going to say, 79 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.839 quick, we've got to do something to save our phony loney jobs. 80 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.639 That's one of the greatest Oh now I would say, quick, you've got 81 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:09.959 to do something and save your phony baloney jobs. But okay, so ah, 82 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.079 last week we never even got to most of the important issues of the 83 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:18.000 day, like, you know, the start of World War three with the 84 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:25.240 you know, the much too little, much too late bombing of drone attacks. 85 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.360 Whatever. We're not even going to have time to go there today either. 86 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.399 But I just wanted the listeners to know that all of us are actually 87 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.120 cognizant of what's going on in the Middle East, even if we don't spend 88 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:39.199 a lot of time talking about it. Because this week had so much news. 89 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:43.959 It started off with and I'm not going to go in order, we're 90 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.759 going to discuss se scenes. But it started off with a whole bunch of 91 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.480 really important things that we all knew we were going to discuss, like the 92 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:56.240 fact that the turtle looks like everything I said he was, and worse, 93 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:02.279 I'll come back to that because of his by part is an immigration deal falling 94 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:05.879 apart? And then he had to bet I'm getting ahead of myself. There's 95 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:10.199 all his news, and it just kept rolling at us, and we were 96 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:17.240 prepared to listen to our esteemed constitutional law professor, who was in fact the 97 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:26.920 Premier Amika's brief writer for the Colorado case. Everybody on the court cited his 98 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.439 arguments. They didn't necessarily sign him by name, but there were John's arguments, 99 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:36.120 and we want to hear what John has to say about that. But 100 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:41.399 it was a lot of I have to give credit to Yeah, I have 101 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.240 to give credit to my co author, Robert Della Hunty, who is a 102 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.399 Claremont Institute fellow, by the way, because we wrote up these arguments back 103 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:56.360 in May, a long time ago, because we saw the case coming and 104 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.240 we raised I think several of the arguments eventually got a lot of the attention 105 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.399 at the court. I'm not saying we invented them. I mean a lot 106 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:05.279 of other people saw them and what would have seen or would have seen them 107 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:11.920 had we never written. But the first one, theeenth fourteenth Amendments text, 108 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:18.319 which says certain people who've had federal or state office swore an oath to uphold 109 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:24.800 the Constitution and then engagement insurrection cannot then hold federal or state office. Again, 110 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:33.240 that amendment lists all the offices that it applies to, but doesn't mention 111 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.320 the presidency. So I think that got a lot of attention at the Court, 112 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.240 even from liberal justice to Tanjie Brown Jackson. Then the second thing which 113 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:50.120 a number of justices focused on was that the amendment itself doesn't define insurrection, 114 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:56.960 doesn't provide a process or forum for how you decide whether someone's committed insurrection. 115 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:03.840 And so we made this argument back almost a year ago, Congress should define 116 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:11.039 insurrection, Congress should implement the amendment, which we often rely on Congress to 117 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:15.559 do for lots of parts of the Constitution. I think the fourteenth Amendment, 118 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:20.279 which has a congressional authorization clause. Sorry yes, exactly, Section five of 119 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.960 the fourteenth Amendment says Congress shaw of the power to carry in to affect the 120 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:30.519 terms of the Amendment. And so that I think actually got the attention of 121 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:37.279 both liberal and conservative justices, because otherwise, what happens you have fifty states, 122 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.200 fifty states defining insurrection for themselves, and fifty states deciding who gets to 123 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.559 be on the ballot not on the ballot. And keep in mind, the 124 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:50.360 Fourteenth Amendment, even if it applies to the president. The more important thing 125 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.840 is it applies to basically every office in the federal and state government in the 126 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:58.120 country. So if Congress doesn't implement it, then you're going to have states 127 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.279 knocking off Sunday candidates, what else, candidates, you know, candidates for 128 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.679 dog catcher. Every office is going to be subject to this, and you 129 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:11.200 can imagine this or chaost that would create. So both liberal and conservative justices 130 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:16.039 said, shouldn't this be implemented by Congress so that we have a single definition 131 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:22.240 of what's an insurrectionist, we have a single process laid out for how someone 132 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.960 gets to either you know, gets to defend themselves from this kind of charge 133 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.799 by the government. And I think that's I think though both of those grounds 134 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.000 are the ones that the Court's going to go off on. I think, 135 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.519 having listened to oral argument, I don't know what you guys think, but 136 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.919 it seems to me that Colorado is going to lose, and lose overwhelmingly. 137 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:45.320 The only question is whether it's going to be unanimous. Yeah, and I 138 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:50.320 think it's so to my or who might go funny, I could see that, 139 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.600 you know, because she's the only one I think who didn't ask any 140 00:10:54.799 --> 00:11:01.039 questions that seemed critical of Colorado. All other ah Justice most of their questions 141 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:07.919 were sharply aimed at the Colorado. And this was remarkable just as a matter 142 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:15.159 of Supreme Court advocacy. The lawyer for Colorado, this was his first time 143 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:20.200 ever arguing case at the Supreme Court. This is not the kind of case 144 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.240 you put the rookie out to play the starting position in a major league baseball 145 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:30.159 game. And I think he frankly did a terrible job. You had three 146 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:35.879 justices say to him, stop evading my questions, stop changing my hypotheticals. 147 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.159 And one and actually he Court for Justice Gorsiction, and Gorsis got so frustrated 148 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.000 he said, I see you're not going to answer any of my questions. 149 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.200 Well that's the way you want it. We're just going to move on now. 150 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:52.120 That's really really harsh, Like that is basically telling you to stop and 151 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.919 take a pause and change your complete approach to the argument. And this guy 152 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.919 didn't. And so I think, you know, a lot of time, 153 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:03.480 the advocate doesn't matter. You know, the merits and the briefs are going 154 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:09.200 to take their course. But if there were a chance an advocate could make 155 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:13.080 a difference, for his side. This guy lost that chance. So why 156 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:18.960 didn't they hire Michael bod and Michael Paulson to present their case? Why didn't 157 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.159 Colorado? Well they're both law professors, so they probably would have done even 158 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.759 worse. But you know, you they'll give the good question their dumb argument 159 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.399 that everybody got excited about though, you know, because they're conservatives and all 160 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.879 that. But this is an interesting question, is why didn't the Colorado side 161 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:43.440 of things hire any one of the number of outstanding liberal Supreme Court right advocates 162 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.320 and like any of the number of people who've been solicitor general under the Obama 163 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.679 administration or even the Clinton administration. They're still around there. They argued lots 164 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.080 of several cases a year, these guys, and they're excellent. So did 165 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.159 I have a theory? I wonder what you think about it. I saw 166 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:05.039 a couple of articles. One began talking about this ninety one year old woman 167 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:11.879 who vote, who cried when in nineteen sixty four when Goldwater lost the election, 168 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.559 which is supposed to make us think, you know, she's some hardcore 169 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:22.600 conservative who was one of the leading plaintiffs in the Colorado case, you know, 170 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.200 to get Trump off the ballot, and there were a bunch of articles 171 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.840 similar to that, trying to trying really hard to make the case that this 172 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:39.919 was these were conservative Republicans who were arguing this rather than you know, crazy 173 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:45.159 lefties. The same thing happened, by the way, in Arizona with Katie 174 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:50.279 Hobbs and Carrie Lake, where all over the state of Arizona there were these 175 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:56.039 billboards and there were these horrific ads with these fat, ugly people where lifelong 176 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:01.639 Republicans and we don't want Carrie Lake, we want Kadie Hobbs, and we're 177 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.399 stupid, but we're stupid Republicans, so you should listen to it. That's 178 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.440 not what they said, but that's what I heard anyway. I'm just wondering 179 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:15.840 if that's the new if that is sort of the central never Trump strategy, 180 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.320 which is to try to say that it's all these Republicans. I mean, 181 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:24.399 you said yourself the guy was a clerk for Garset. I don't know, 182 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.159 well, you would have thought, John that Seth, this is the perfect 183 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.799 case for Seth Waxman, right, who I think is probably actually I think 184 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.320 he's so annoys Chief Justice Roberts. It's probably a bad idea, but On 185 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.039 the surface, you'd say, why wouldn't you hire Seth Waxman to do this 186 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.399 or someone like him? Right, Yeah, there's like Verilli, who was 187 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.799 this priser general under Obama won the Obamacare case. And there's a whole bunch 188 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:52.320 of others. Right, there's no So that's curious. I think part of 189 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.320 it is Lucretia's right. Maybe the Democrats wanted to sort of have Republicans be 190 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.639 the frontmen and women for this so that it's seems like it's not Parson. 191 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:07.039 Maybe the Progressives knew this was a loser and they were just throwing this up 192 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.360 as see how it worked a low probability win. Well, I don't know. 193 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:15.279 I mean, I think there's a story arc for this week that's connected 194 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.159 to a larger story arc, which is one more thing about the oral argument. 195 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.639 Though before I do my story arcs about why we're seeing another instance of 196 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:28.600 trunk dearrangements and Rome backfiring on the never trumpers. The one thing I did 197 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.799 not see coming, which came from both the Kagan and Brown Jackson, is 198 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:39.600 they realized that gush if states can come up with new qualifications to be on 199 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:45.080 the ballot. Wait a Minute's that starts to point toward a restoration of states. 200 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:46.840 Right, So they both said the Fourteenth Amendment was meant to take power 201 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:52.759 away from states. And the next sentence, unstated, was and concentrated in 202 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.000 Washington, D C. And so what you're opening a can of worms here 203 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.240 if you actually have judicial interpretations that say, oh, well, the work 204 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.240 might allow more latitude for states to do X and y. I didn't see 205 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:10.320 that, you do. I get what you're saying. I'm not disagreeing with 206 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.159 what you're saying. But I wonder, because of our oft repeated argument that 207 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.960 the left doesn't really care about standards, the left doesn't really care about principles, 208 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:25.840 they really don't care about institutions. They're willing to manipulate or do away 209 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:27.960 with any one of the above if it means they'll get what they want. 210 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:33.360 And I don't think Katangi falls outside of that. Really, maybe not, 211 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.039 but you might be right, Well, I could see them being deeply worried. 212 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.919 Well, and let's remember the last big Fourteenth Amendment decision was the Harbor 213 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.519 case last June, which they were routed on. And they might be parently 214 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.440 worried. I don't know, but I did not see an argument coming out. 215 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.519 Let's just put it that way. But I'm saying that the lesson of 216 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:55.440 the whole week to me is, don't get your lesson before we've had all 217 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:00.559 the stories, Steve Saving, I'm not stories the rest of the news stories. 218 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.440 Oh well, okay, makes more sense, Okay, I will hold 219 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.359 it. Then, I'm not telling you to be quiet. I'm telling you 220 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.720 that you'll have a better case if you wait. I want to ask John. 221 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:14.359 Then the next thing is the immunity case, which I totally kind of 222 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.119 spaced about again on the grand scale of news this past week. It was 223 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.119 kind of a minor issue by the end of the week. I mean, 224 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.640 all things confuted. It was a you know, it was a circuit court 225 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.519 case. It was one we expected. It was decided exactly the way we 226 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.160 expected. I'm told that both of you have some insights into that that I'm 227 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:38.680 totally missing, But go ahead and give me those insights. Well. First, 228 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:45.160 it's first, it's such a striking change in the fortunes of Trump and 229 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:52.200 Biden that we started the week. We started Monday talking about Trump losing this 230 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:57.839 immunity case. Then on Thursday, we started Thursday morning talking about the Supreme 231 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:03.920 Court deciding whether Trump should be disqualified by Thursday afternoon, and through till today, 232 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:08.680 all we're talking about is whether Biden should be removed from office. Look 233 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:14.079 at that huge change in political fortunes. I mean, Trump has had the 234 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.480 best week in politics that I can think of in a long time for himself. 235 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.680 But on the immunity question, the two things. So one is I 236 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:29.400 think that this argument is going to fail for Trump at the court, but 237 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.559 it doesn't mean he's not going to be able to raise the arguments he wants 238 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.799 to in the proper way. So first, the Court has never had to 239 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:44.160 decide whether a president has immunity from criminal prosecution because no president has been charged 240 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:48.480 before. But I think it's fair to say a lot of the precedents and 241 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.720 a lot of the lower court opinions imply, as a DC Circuit found earlier 242 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.960 this week, that a president doesn't have that kind of immunity. Presidents do 243 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.720 have absolute immunity for from civil cases for damage actions. And the reason why 244 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.599 would there be a difference, Well, the reason why is because the Court 245 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:12.279 says, we don't want presidents when they make decisions worrying about getting sued by 246 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:18.319 the plethora of private people out there who could just make up reasons to assume 247 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.839 them. The thing with federal prosecution, right is that it's under the control 248 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.960 of a president, and so I think what the courts believe is those presidents 249 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.839 will take into account the interests of the executive branch so that people are not 250 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.400 former presidents are not harassed because the current president is going to someday be a 251 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:42.640 past president or former president, and so in the civil context, we don't 252 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:48.880 have any way to give force to the interests of the executive branch making decisions 253 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.720 free of the threat of litigation. But with criminal prosecution, since that's only 254 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:59.480 in the hands of the president, the current president himself or herself, then 255 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:03.440 I think with the the courts assumes that that president will take account of those 256 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:10.799 interests when they decide whether to prosecute or not. I think I got to 257 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.200 push back on that, or the listeners will never forgive me John go go 258 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.680 ahead, go ahead. I'm just gonna say that might to the extent that 259 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:27.000 the court should be considering secondary considerations consequences of these things, like what you 260 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:32.039 say that you know, people could just be constantly bringing civil suits against the 261 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.799 president, but the executive will not do that because they don't want to have 262 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.720 turned around as fair play whatever put it a little bit too simplistically. We've 263 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.599 seen that's no longer true. So if the Supreme Court is using that particular 264 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:52.599 or uses that particular caveat as an excuse to say, no, presidents don't 265 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:57.000 have immunity from criminal prosecutions the way they do from civil prosecutions, that may 266 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.920 or civil suits. Excuse me, that may make zero sense in the current 267 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:06.839 political context. Is the courts of basic completely ignore that political context, which 268 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:08.559 of course is going to lead us to the next item of discussion, but 269 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.400 I don't want to get there yet. I'm just saying. I mean the 270 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:18.279 fact that how many criminal counselor against Trump right now ninety one, well, 271 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:25.519 are all brought by enemies, political enemies of the president. All of that, 272 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:30.119 Well, what should distinguish though, between the prosecutions by state elected das, 273 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:34.079 which against what you could have you might have an immunity. That's a 274 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:40.240 totally that's a federalism issue. And then charge is brought by the US Justice 275 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:45.039 Department, which are under the control of the current president. So just a 276 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.440 backup first, I think there's a good textual argument that they don't have immunity 277 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:53.039 because there is one kind of immunity from prosecution in the constitutional text, and 278 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:56.599 it's only for members of Congress when they are engaged in speech and debate, 279 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.920 which implies that no one else gets criminal immunity right because they don't give one 280 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:06.400 to the president or remind you to judges, although the judges of course created 281 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:10.480 one for themselves when they had the chance. But that's you know, textually, 282 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:14.440 you could say, well that that suggests that there is no immunity allowed. 283 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:19.400 Then the federal's papers do talk about presidents being removed from office by impeachment 284 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:25.720 and then being subject to prosecution. So I putting aside this functional argument, 285 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:30.359 I think just the normal youth, the normal sources we used to interpret the 286 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.119 constitution suggests presidents don't have this kind of munity. Well, then make my 287 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.400 second point just one. Let's say the second point is, but I think 288 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:44.039 actually Trump has valid arguments, but they're not immunity. Immunity means I can 289 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:49.039 never be prosecuted for anything. That's different than saying I'm being prosecuted under a 290 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:55.319 statute that's being applied unconstitutionally to me. So take for example, the famous 291 00:22:55.359 --> 00:23:00.440 statute which led to President Andrew Johnson's impeachment. It was called the Tenure in 292 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.119 Office sect. It made it a crime for the president to fire a cabinet 293 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:08.680 officer. That's unconstitutional, right, That statute is just unconstitutional. So Trump 294 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:15.359 could be prosecuted as Johnson was appeached, and you could say that prosecution is 295 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.799 an unconstitutional prosecution. That's not immunity. I think that's a winning argument. 296 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:25.119 So Trump could say, look, I'm being prosecuted for exercising my free speech 297 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:27.960 rights when I gave a speech at the Ellipse. That's not precluded by this 298 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.440 immunity. By losing on immunity, he could say, these criminal charges you're 299 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:38.160 using against me, like fraud against the United States, are disenfranchising all voters, 300 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:44.079 or interfering with congressional procedures, None of those actually apply. You're making 301 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.640 up readings of those statutes which they can't bear, and they don't apply to 302 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.799 what happened on January sixth. Those are still valid arguments. That's different than 303 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.680 saying I have immunity, which just means I could have done anything, and 304 00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:00.160 I could have violated any law, but I just can't be prosecuted. Have 305 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.720 his chance to make I think actually valid constitutional arguments, but I think immunity 306 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:10.799 just went too far. So I think that Steve, that John was influenced 307 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.079 by that dumb judge, Judge who said, oh, if you if you 308 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.720 sent the whoever it was, the Navy seals, whoever it was out to 309 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:21.759 murder your political opponents. I mean, that was just a reducdio ad absertin 310 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.519 argument if you ask me, well, yeah, well well there's the problem, 311 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:27.960 I think, or one of them. So first of all, John, 312 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:36.599 once again, looking for just the text alone without thinking beyond the text, 313 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.880 leads you into a constricted dead Endustreet, So just to work backwards. 314 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.440 The speech and debate clause for members of Congress, I believe, correct me 315 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.880 if I'm way wrong, only applies when Congress is in session or when they're 316 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.079 doing their official duties like traveling to and from Congress to work there. That's 317 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.119 the way it works in state legislators. I know. Now the president is 318 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.880 the president all the time, right, so the sim or you know, 319 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:06.079 collateral immunity would be attached to the presidency because it's the office of the president. 320 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.279 And my point isn't I was just going over this with students in class 321 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.960 this week, as I was explaining the whole concept of executive prerogative from Locke, 322 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.880 the whole idea of immunity descends from the idea of executive prerogative. Now, 323 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.839 the abstract problem is, yeah, you would say, if you know, 324 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.000 if the president walked down the street one day and robbed the bank and 325 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.559 shot up some people, you couldn't really somebody, Yeah right right, that 326 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:33.279 famous line you would You would have to say at that point, yeah, 327 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.400 that'd be hard to say that could qualify the presidential community. And the Court 328 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.440 in the opinion said something I think kind of troubling. They said, well, 329 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.319 yeah, there's kind of a problem here, and I forget the exact 330 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.000 words, it was close to this. We think the thought that that constricting 331 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.759 immunity or scanning it back will lead to future presidents being harassed as fanciful. 332 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.440 In other words, what they're saying is this only applies to Trump. By 333 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.799 the way, my new rule, John, which I'm borrowing for yours, 334 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.359 is is all the presidential parrogaterives apply to every president not named Nixon. And 335 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.759 now you expand that to every president not named Nixon or Trump. So that's 336 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.079 where we are now and now you need to go back to what is he 337 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.960 being charged with. He's not being charged with shooting someone on Fifth Avenue. 338 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:23.799 The charges from Smith are interfering with the congressional proceeding, disenfranchising voters. I 339 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.880 think that's a reach, But I think the first one rests on the idea 340 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:34.640 that it presumptively invalidates Trump's defense that he was defending the Constitution by contesting the 341 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:38.960 results of a corrupt election. The comeback and their factual claim, as I 342 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.319 understand it, and the pleadings is that Trump knew that wasn't true. Trump 343 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.920 was totally lost the election. In other words, that they are saying that 344 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.160 Trump's state of mind. They're doing a men's rey argument about him, which 345 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.920 I think is extremely weak when it comes to bringing a case against any president. 346 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:57.400 And so that's why I think what's going to happen here. Trump is 347 00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.079 going to appeal to the Supreme Court on my day. That's the deadline, 348 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.400 isn't it, And then we'll that's going to start a clock. I think 349 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.480 this is going to go a while. Right, Well, it's actually quite 350 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:12.599 complicated. He could normally and this does go to your point about Trump being 351 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:18.440 treated differently. Normally you would have actually a former government officer would normally have 352 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.960 forty five days to appeal to the entire d C Circuit. So this is 353 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:29.799 just a decision by three of the judges of the entire DC Court of Appeals, 354 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:36.039 which I believe has twelve judges. And so you have the right if 355 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:40.680 you lose a case before panel to petition the whole court to come together, 356 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:45.240 which it does maybe once a year in some cases sometimes it goes years without 357 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.200 doing. And that's the court I clerked on before I clicked at the Supreme 358 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.440 Court, so I know how the procedures were. But this panel said, 359 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.960 nope, you don't get those forty five days. You got to appeal like 360 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.960 in one day basically, or we're going back down sending it back to the 361 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.319 lower court. So what Trump's going to have to do is go to the 362 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:08.640 Supreme Court, I think, and say order the DC Circuit to stop sending 363 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:12.519 this trial back so it can start, so I have time to even appeal 364 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:17.880 use my appeal rights in that court. Because it's so strange that that court 365 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.240 said, Nope, you don't have the normal time to appeal. We're going 366 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.359 to let the trial start, right away. Then if he loses that in 367 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.720 forty five days, then I think he then he could say and then I 368 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:32.279 want to appeal to the Supreme Court. So I figure he's got maybe if 369 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:37.240 the Supreme Court agrees, he probably have another two months to go before it 370 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.000 gets to the US Supreme Court. Of course, as interested I think is 371 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.480 to you know, not have this go to trial at all before the election. 372 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.240 If the court were to grant certain take the case, maybe they would 373 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.359 treat it like the Colorado case and try to decide it quickly, or they 374 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.359 could stay the whole trial and take the regular time. Right it's say, 375 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.119 you know, we're just going to do the No, you know we're going 376 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.519 to grant certain heard in the fall, So correct me if I'm wrong. 377 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:08.000 The status quo right now is that the whole thing has stayed until something happens. 378 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:15.079 Now does this is what's really unusual about what this panel did is that 379 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.160 they issued what's called the mandate back to the trial judge, you know, 380 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:25.480 Judge Jack, Judge chuck In, which would allow her next week to restart 381 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:32.079 the trial proceedings. Oh that's not normal. That's usually you're allowed to appeal 382 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.599 to the whole court and then go to the DC the US Supreme Court, 383 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.519 and I'm going to have to he's still allowed to do that, but then 384 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:42.920 she has permission to go ahead to restart the trial. Yeah, got it. 385 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:48.039 So that's that's that's a little bit of dirty pool. I think that 386 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.359 yes, people wouldn't notice or understand, but it's actually kind of important if 387 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.200 your goal is to stop Trump from right going all the way Supreme Court and 388 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:03.720 holding the trial in faces. So there's so many for the boring discussion, 389 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:08.599 and I wanted to ask you about Jack Smith's move to try anyway, I 390 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:14.400 don't I want to take a moment for our incredible sponsors, which for John 391 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.240 always include McDonald's on State Farm and I don't know what the other one is 392 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:27.240 mine. They're always in Spanish, so we'll see in a moment, Okay. 393 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.720 So gosh, there's so much to talk about. I think that we 394 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.720 probably want to move on to the big news of the week and see if 395 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.240 we can pick up the little things afterwards. The big news of the week, 396 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:45.920 of course, as John mentioned earlier, was the special counsel that is 397 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:56.920 investigating Garland was more or less forced into appointing a special counsel to investigate Biden's 398 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:06.440 misuse and uh it responsibility about the use of his keeping of classified documents in 399 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.920 his garage, you know, with his treasured corvette and whatnot, and a 400 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:19.240 garage frequented by the esteemed Hunter Biden, and you know, the whole thing 401 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:27.119 was just vile. But the Special Council her h u R, not h 402 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:34.559 e R. It's not her pronoun thank you. Charles Lipson came out and 403 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:41.440 said, yes, as a matter of fact, Biden quite egregiously mishandled classified 404 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.519 documents documents he probably should not have had in his possession because he was no 405 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:52.240 longer vice president and he was not the classification authority. I don't know that 406 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.119 her got into that, but he should, and sharing those documents with his 407 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.359 ghostwriter who did not have a security clearance, right, Okay, important, 408 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:07.279 Never mind what kind of his mishandling of those documents actually might have led two 409 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.119 with all of the shady characters in and out with Hunter. We won't go 410 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.079 there. But he didn't go there either. But those are real, very 411 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:22.440 real kinds of concerns. Anyway, he said Biden was was very much at 412 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:30.079 fault. Biden committed all sorts of crimes in the course of not handling classified 413 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.440 documents as he should have. And some of this was, of course the 414 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.200 result of carelessness, but there would be no point in bringing charges, no 415 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.559 point whatsoever in bringing charges, even though we there's this whole section he talks 416 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.640 about, Oh gosh, you know, we're not bringing charges here. But 417 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.319 we've got this other situation, the first time it's been done against a presidential 418 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.640 candidate. But I'm not going to get into that. This one's a wholly 419 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.200 different case. It wasn't clear all how it was different at all. But 420 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:06.279 and then he said, I can't bring charges because if if the president, 421 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.799 the current president, went before a jury, they would look at him as 422 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.839 a well meaning elderly man whose memory was very, very bad. Is that 423 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.640 was that the right phrase, Steve, which, first of all, what 424 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.839 a liar he's There has never been a single movement in Joe Biden's life where 425 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.960 he's been well intentioned. Okay, senile, ugly mean as we saw last 426 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:35.119 night Thursday night, but never well intentioned if you ask me. But anyway 427 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.839 back to I heard John today on Fox News as I was in my car. 428 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.240 It's my favorite thing that happened in the car by the way, John, 429 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.279 when you come on on Fox News. But John made a brilliant point, 430 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:52.160 actually several, one of which was what else was her going to do? 431 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.799 Either he was going to have to recommend prosecution or he's going to have 432 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.799 to have a rationale. So talk about that from go ahead, Steve, 433 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.799 if you had to say, go first, and then John can correct me. 434 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.280 Active a question for John about one one specific aspect of the report. 435 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.119 First of all, it does sound, and some people have made this point, 436 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.559 it does sound a little bit like James Comey's conclusion about Hillary and her 437 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:21.000 private server. So no reasonable prosecutor will bring this case because she won't be 438 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.639 convicted, is what he's essentially said. And her said, no, there's 439 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:30.440 no way that we could get a successful conviction against Biden on this. So, 440 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.000 first of all, it does sound like there that maybe Trump doesn't get 441 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.599 immunity from the DC circuit, but there does seem to be Democratic Party community 442 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.360 matters that are similar. Wait a minute, let me keep going here, 443 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.079 because it's the same point. Sorry, Well all right, Well, I 444 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.480 was gonna say two questions John. One, is it sure seems to me 445 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.239 like this completely blows up the case against Trump, But I know there are 446 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:58.440 distinctions that Biden cooperated and Trump was stubborn about it, but I don't I 447 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.199 don't think that works very well case. And then second our Eliot Shapiro made 448 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.039 a claim on Twitter. I don't know if this is true, and I 449 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.480 wonder if you know, he said that Garland did not have to release this 450 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:15.280 report. He could have I suppose kept under wraps all those very damaging parts 451 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.840 about Biden's sanility and what I suppose issued a summary that's said, we released 452 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.480 a conclusion that it doesn't arise to a prosecutable crime. And I don't know 453 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.119 if that would have stuck or not. But is that true that the Attorney 454 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.280 General could have withheld the public release of the complete report? Do you know? 455 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:37.079 So you may remember this actually came up during the Robert I mean the 456 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:44.559 Robert Muller Special Council investigation of Donald Trump, because remember he had a report, 457 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:50.360 and then Bill Barr took the report, issued his own summary, and 458 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.880 then only a little bit later, I think maybe a week later, released 459 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.159 a redacted version of the report. So I think it is corrected. Under 460 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:04.239 the regulations, the Attorney General is actually the one ultimately responsible for transmitting the 461 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.719 report. To Congress and the public. But what are you going to do 462 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:15.519 if the Special Council sends report to Congress anyway? So it's I think that's 463 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.480 why. But I think practically attorney generals have always known that if the Special 464 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.599 Counsel wants to report release, they're going to release it because there's nothing you 465 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:24.960 can do to them. They're just there, right, The Special Council is 466 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:30.679 just there for that one case. Wouldn't you have released it on a Friday 467 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.119 night, which is when you typically try to bury bad suits? And I 468 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.639 was actually joking around with the producers at Fox because I was actually on shows 469 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.440 to talk about the Colorado oral arguments and then never talked about them because we 470 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.679 spent the whole time talking about this report. And so one of the producers 471 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.880 said to me, I bet that the Biden people wanted the report released today 472 00:36:54.639 --> 00:37:00.320 because they thought that the Colorado case would steal some of the attention from But 473 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.639 they were just totally They didn't realize that the Special Council thing just overshadowed everything 474 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:10.199 because of what it said about Biden's mental incapacity. But they were hoping, 475 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:14.679 like you know, some of the oxygen in the room would be taken away 476 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:20.880 by the Colorado case. They really really misjudged that well that whoever was the 477 00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.519 staffer also who then thought, after watching all the damage mounting on Biden, 478 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:28.840 thought it was a good idea to send him out for that press conference where 479 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:34.400 he started yelling and screaming at the press started forgetting things about and misstating who 480 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.719 the various presidents were that guy should or when that man or woman should be 481 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.039 fired and never be allowed to work in politics. You can't. I want 482 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.199 to come back to that, John. I first want to go back to 483 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:49.719 what Steve said about Hillary, because that was exactly my thought was. But 484 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:58.360 remember that Hillary actually got away in the Bengazi hearings with and several other Democrats 485 00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.880 or may as well have been done. Democrats have done the same thing Fauci 486 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:10.639 with the answering questions over and over again with I don't recall, I don't 487 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:16.360 recall, which I suppose is the weasliest of getting out of you know, 488 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:21.159 a method of answer getting out of questions. But that's what I was thinking 489 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.400 of that with the I don't recall, and you know, if I'm Komy, 490 00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:31.840 well she's you know whatever. But the point is, how can how 491 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:42.599 can a refusal to be forthcoming be such a successful strategy for Democrats other than 492 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.599 the fact that our Justice Department just simply allows it. And my second question 493 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:50.559 that was really more of a commentary. Sorry, that's amazing, that's actually 494 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.800 that's an important question I just mentioned. So this is I think there's a 495 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:59.239 huge difference here actually between Trump and Biden. So you know, Trump's of 496 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:04.840 course facing all these right legal problems to in New York City, Georgia, 497 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:15.920 Washington. So somehow Trump has taken a strategy which has provoked huge legal losses 498 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:20.599 in the courtroom, Like he's getting clawbreed in these defamation suits by Jeene Carroll. 499 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.559 He's going to get clawbered in this attorney general lawsuit against him for inflating 500 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.920 his assets and mortgage applications and so on. But somehow he turned those into 501 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:35.559 political gold, right, Like he used those political these legal setbacks where he 502 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.400 took where he refused to cooperate or comply with the court, and he lost. 503 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.360 He's going to lose hundreds of millions of dollars. But it took all 504 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:47.320 the air out of the primaries and all the attention away from everyone else and 505 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:52.239 focused it on him. Biden's the exact opposite. I'm sure he's following his 506 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.840 lawyer's advice. They probably told him, if you don't remember anything for sure, 507 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.679 then say you don't remember, right. That's that's like a stand. 508 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.239 Don't never say anything in these interviews that you're not absolutely sure about. That's 509 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.679 that's standard litigation practice. But it's killing It's going to kill him in politics. 510 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:13.320 Yeah, I mean that's where I don't. I mean, I understand 511 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.119 your point in the creature about no legal consequences for Hillary and Benghazi, but 512 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.119 I do think in Hillary's case, that report and the way you call me 513 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.280 that was very damaging her and arguably cost her the election. Right, So 514 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.800 there's cosmic justice at leads in her case, and I think maybe we're seeing 515 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.880 it in Biden's case too. I'm hoping you're right, not damaging enough because 516 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:40.639 she's still out there instead of hiding somewhere was in shame. But okay, 517 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:47.840 so let's talk about whether or not first there was an alternative if her wanted 518 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:59.000 to avoid prosecuting Biden and still leave open the possibility that Trump could be prosecuted 519 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.679 on the same charges. Of course, they're not the same charges Biden can 520 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:07.639 be guilty. Trump obviously cannot be guilty of the charges of mishandling his own 521 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.000 classified documents. I don't know how many times I have to say that, 522 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:15.199 but anyway, let's pretend that they're equal. Was there any other possibility, 523 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.719 John, in your opinion, could he have made a different argument. Is 524 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:24.920 there another argument that could have been made by her about why why he's not 525 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:30.039 going to move for charges to be brought against Biden other than he's senile and 526 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:37.280 a jury wouldn't convict him. Actually her addresses in the report. It's interesting. 527 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.840 I don't think a lot of people paid attention to it, but in 528 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:44.719 his report he basically says, yes, it's going to be an obvious question 529 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:50.079 to people that were recommending not to prosecute here, whereas the other special counsel, 530 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.320 who was not responsible for me to me, as you know, indicted 531 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.400 President Trump. And he does say the conduct might appear similar to most people. 532 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:01.679 And he says, and this is a reason he could have said, 533 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.320 I'm not going to prosecute Biden and Trump should be prosecuted, as he says, 534 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:10.400 there actually seems to be a long practice of presidents not really being very 535 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:16.239 let's say careful and they're handling. And actually, Steve, this is interesting. 536 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:22.280 They go back. They actually say Reagan actually kept diaries which had a 537 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.760 lot of classified information in them, and you know, so they say, 538 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.719 we can go to Reagan, if not further back, and just show Look, 539 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.960 presidents keep diaries at notes and they take them home and no one's ever 540 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.320 thought about prosecuting for them. So he could have said, we could give 541 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:43.239 these presidents a free pass on that, just like we've given all the presidents 542 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:49.519 in the past. So what hers says is but the main difference is the 543 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.239 level of cooperation. That Trump is not really being prosecuted anymore for the classified 544 00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:00.360 documents and they're handling. He's being prosecuted for obstructing, just says, for 545 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.679 trying to hide the documents from the FBI and for telling his staff to lie 546 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.159 to the FBI. Uh. And so that's actually that is a big difference, 547 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:14.760 right. The Special Counsel Jack Smith's prosecution really, I think is going 548 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:19.440 to center on claims of obstruction of justice, refusing to comply with warrants, 549 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.280 hiding things around the FBI, lying to the FBI, rather than the actual 550 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:27.559 rather than the fact that he cas know that it's not a crime that how 551 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.320 can you obstruct justice when there's no crime? Well, there's no crime here, 552 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.960 you know that, right, John, But I'm not actually, I'm 553 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.519 not sure make crime. I don't actually agree with that. But whether there 554 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.639 is a crime or not, it's still a crime to lie to FBI officer 555 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.559 or to lie to Congress, regardless of what it is you're lying about. 556 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:54.960 I guess I like, it just seems to me that even if you stipulate 557 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.639 all those distinctions, it's going to be very hard to find a jury in 558 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:04.199 Sound Florida that's going to convict Trump. I don't know. But at the 559 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.000 end of right now, look as you guys know, I thought it's a 560 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.719 mistake to bring the case because the only thing that should matter is January sixth. 561 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.400 If you want to indict Trump for insurrection and prove it, that's a 562 00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:20.519 good use of federal prosecutor resources, don't I've never thought that prosecuting Trump for 563 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.719 this, you know, classified documents makes sense. That's a good use of 564 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.679 resources. Yeah. Well, I don't know if you want to do this, 565 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.960 Lucretia, But I mean, at the end of the week, Trump 566 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:31.960 looks stronger. I can't wait for the next round of polls, which may 567 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.840 not show Trump's surging, but it's going to show Biden falling sharply, I 568 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.519 think. But Trump came out after the Colorado opinion and gave a little talk 569 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.039 and then answered questions, and he was masterful. I thought, one of 570 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.679 his better performances ever. And then Biden here a few hours later, has 571 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:51.199 what I'm calling I'm calling that press conference in the evening is I'm not a 572 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.800 crook moment, you know, like we had with Nixon, right, that 573 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:58.199 was a big thing different. I can live with a criminal. I can't 574 00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.760 live with I mean the idea we have a you know, a brain dead 575 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.199 if I can't even that's always when my old rule a free I've had this 576 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.480 rule for forty years, which is better to have a crooking office than a 577 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.800 liberal because a crook cannot steal as much as a liberal can give away. 578 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.079 And never heard of it, You've never had sell that one. Job. 579 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.920 That's a good one. I like that. I would to death. Job. 580 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.360 I would have thought you'd say, if you're out there holding press conferences 581 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.159 and all your people are out there saying the president is not seen now, 582 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:36.119 than you're losing. Oh yeah, the Vice President is out there saying you're 583 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.920 not seeing now it's gratuitous to say that. I actually find the whole thing 584 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.280 fascinating the way that it came down. But I do want to go back 585 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:47.559 momentarily to Trump's excuse me, Biden's press conference last night. I mean, 586 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.320 he started off the week saying that the reason that the bipartisan immigration bill fell 587 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.639 apart was Trump's fault, and all of the immigration problems. We're seeing that 588 00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:02.519 that Biden finally admitted to all the legal immigrants is also Trump's fault. That 589 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.960 was an interesting attempt by Biden at the beginning of the week, But by 590 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.360 the end of the week, we're talking about the fact that the guy's brain 591 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.519 dead and that we wouldn't you know, the joke has always been, we 592 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.440 wouldn't hand over the TV remote control to a guy as senile as Biden, 593 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.719 but we let him be president. We can't let him stand before a jury, 594 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.639 but we let him be president. So that has led people, Republicans, 595 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:30.280 especially to start talking about the twenty fifth Amendment. I did go back, 596 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.480 John and find your Wall Street Journal article, and I read it that 597 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:42.440 you wrote about what the actual circumstances were if if we if somebody decided to 598 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:50.960 push for removing Biden temporarily for his work permanently for his disability, which is 599 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.320 of course that he has no brain. And want I want you to when 600 00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:00.159 we come back to outline those procedures, which are a little more complicated, 601 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.079 then most people understand them to be at least that's what Steve says. That's 602 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.159 probably a strong man argument. But I mean section four. I mean, 603 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.239 John, do you want to do section four? Or me? I find 604 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.880 them I want I do want to take a break here, Steve, because 605 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.880 you had to So John, do you want we want us to go into 606 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.239 section John, you want to talk about section four? Or me? I 607 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.159 find it really remarkable when you read it. Well, I mean, most 608 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.039 people think the twenty fifth Amendment, they've heard of it. It's a majority 609 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.320 of the cabinet says the president is unable to discharge the duties, the vice 610 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:36.039 president becomes the acting president, and the suggestion is, well, the president 611 00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.519 can come back if it has been I think invoked a couple of times for 612 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.280 mere hours, like when a president's been under anesthesia for surgery and stuff. 613 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.599 But you know it's happened to you three times in the last forty years. 614 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.760 But if you read to the whole thing, what it says is the president 615 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.960 can contest this. The president can transmit a letters saying no, no, 616 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:58.920 I'm fine. And then if the cabinet insists and reiterates from stating this right, 617 00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:04.440 they're find that the president's unable to determine, unable to discharge the duties 618 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:08.239 of the office. Then what happens is they send that to the Congress, 619 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:13.360 to the President pro tem of the Senate, and Congress has three weeks to 620 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.119 assemble and vote on the matter, and by a two thirds vote, Congress 621 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.760 can say no, no, the cabinet's right, the president is unable to 622 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.760 discharge the duties of the office, and the Vice president remains as acting president. 623 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.360 So you can imagine stubborn as a mule Biden saying of course, I'm 624 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.159 fine. He would clearly contest this, and then things would get interesting. 625 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:35.119 You think there's a two thirds vote in both houses of Congress to side with 626 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:39.320 the cabinet, I mean maybe, I think a lot of Democrats in charge. 627 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.719 Well, that's just it. So you want to put her in charge? 628 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.400 If you're a Republican, do you want to do the Democrats a favor, 629 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.400 although I actually think that if something like this happens, it will wreak 630 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.000 havoc on the Democratic Party and their chances of winning the election. I think 631 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.559 they're doomed either way. They're doomed with Biden, they're doomed if they replace 632 00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.599 him. But I think that I read that whole section and I thought this 633 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:02.559 is not as clear cut as people seem to think it is. From all 634 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.679 the headlines you read about the twenty fifth Amendment, What have I, mister 635 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:08.960 not gotten complete there? John? No, this is I think you were 636 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:13.840 at the actual amendment if you read the Texas biased in favor of the president. 637 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.920 Yeah, right, So to even get a president, I think of 638 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.159 it as the suspending, you know, putting the president in the penalty box. 639 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.599 Right, So it's like putting someone like in hockey, you put someone 640 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.400 in the penalty box. They're only in there for a certain amount of time, 641 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.719 right, and then they can rushing out, right, they skate out 642 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.119 so fast and try to make a difference. And isn't that the same thing 643 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:37.599 here? So one thing that's hard is that both the vice president and a 644 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:43.760 majority of the cabinet have degree that the president is unable to. And you 645 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.119 remember, like there are things like this comes up in twenty four and in 646 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.000 the Harrison Ford movie I can't remember what it's called. That takes place on 647 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.320 Air Force one. No Air Force one everywhere? Right, Oh, it's 648 00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:00.519 the vice president. Majority of the cabinet going to say the president's incapable performing 649 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.280 the duties of the office. But notice it takes both. It's not one 650 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.519 or the other, both the vice president. And so I'm I could easily 651 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:15.079 see Harris already at her computer typing up the finding. But do you think 652 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.960 like a majority of the cabinet would agree? You'd have to like rustle up 653 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.199 people you haven't heard of before, Like who's the Secretary of Veterans Affairs in 654 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.760 this administration? I got no idea who is a secretary? I know what 655 00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.320 transportation is. Yeah, that's true, but like you know, there are 656 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.000 some pretty obscure federal agencies. You know, who's the Secretary of HUD in 657 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.800 this administration? By the way, and then abrupted there for second John, 658 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.599 it's actually even less clear than that, because I've said cabinet, that's what 659 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.360 most people think, But in fact, the first sentence of Section four is 660 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:52.960 more ambiguous whenever the Vice President and the majority of either the principal officers of 661 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:59.760 the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide. 662 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.400 So this is a little bit like section three of the fourteen Amendment. Congress 663 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:06.920 has not specified a body, but they could. They could say we appoint 664 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.639 four doctors. Right, they've never dined. Right. And by the way, 665 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.159 you executive departments. Often presidents make the head of the EPA a cabinet 666 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:21.519 rank person. This is finally going to restore the unitary executive because all these 667 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.920 losers who've been on these various commissions are suddenly going to say, yes, 668 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.079 yes, actually, we've been executive departments all along. Let us vote, 669 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:35.360 Let us vote. Any thing about the amendment is noticed that, as Steve 670 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.119 said, after a certain time, right, even if the cabinet and the 671 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:47.519 vice president continued to declare that the president an't discharge office, Congress has to 672 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.119 vote by two thirds to agree with them to keep the president out of office. 673 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:58.519 Otherwise the president goes right back in. That's how heavily the amendment actually 674 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.159 runs in favor of by favor of Biden. Actually, right, all Biden 675 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:06.599 has to do is find thirty four senators who want to keep them in office. 676 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.320 Well, here, to me is the grand irony of this whole scene, 677 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:13.920 because if you go back five six years ago when Trump is first went 678 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:15.920 into office, and the left and the medium, and I repeat myself, 679 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:21.400 they said, oh, you know what, clearly the twenty fifth Amendment should 680 00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:23.519 be invoked to remove Trump from office because he's obviously unfit. And there was 681 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.400 all that talk and some law professors, right, and so here we are 682 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.079 at the end of all this, and now the twenty fifth Amendment is being 683 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:35.199 talked about for Biden. I mean, the irony is so delicious here. 684 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.800 And the point is is that every time the left launches a torpedo to use 685 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:44.119 navy analogies at Trump, it turns around and sinks them. You know, 686 00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.719 the me Too movement was started to take down Trump. Instead it took down 687 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:52.719 Al Franken right, right. And you know there's another example of everything the 688 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:57.719 left does ends up boomeranging and blowing up in their face, which is what 689 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.719 makes life. Yeah, it's because we still do have a constitutional republic and 690 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:09.000 they want to twist and manipulate and do away with the constitutional protections that are 691 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:15.159 there, the institutions that are there, the remedies that are there. They 692 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.079 want to do away with it all to get the power, to keep power, 693 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:20.679 to get what they want. And I think I don't think it's a 694 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.239 trend or a boomerang effect. I think it's just to some extent, our 695 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.920 constitution still works to some extent, and especially in these kinds of things. 696 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:35.559 I mean, you can't bring up the twenty fifth Amendment in the case of 697 00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.920 Trump and then not look at someone like Biden and say, wow, you 698 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:43.199 know, I mean, it's just you. You can have all the Trump 699 00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:49.199 derangement syndrome in the world you want, but a guy who can't remember the 700 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.000 date that his own son died, who can't remember the Afghan War, I 701 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:59.719 mean, all the different examples that her gave in his report, there is 702 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:06.559 and then what we see is Biden being such an irascible, such an ugly 703 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:13.920 vindictive, mean spirited kind of jerk convincing I'm assuming, I mean Jill had 704 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.280 to let him go out there. I don't know who's who's claim, probably 705 00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.320 never would have let it happen. I don't know. I can't remember the 706 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:28.719 chief of staff's name, but there are as and obviously not you know who 707 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.960 knows if Obama had anything to say about it, probably, But what an 708 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:37.519 I mean the I told Stephen John I was going to resurrect my dumbest person 709 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.519 of the week, my stupidest person of the week. I would resurrect it 710 00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.559 if I knew who that person was who said, yeah, it's a good 711 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.039 idea for uh, the you know, the brain dead Biden to go out 712 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:53.400 there and try to defend himself that he's not senile, insisted on himself. 713 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:57.760 He might have. He might have. So tell me what you do is 714 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.760 you put him out there, and you put a bunch of fake journalists and 715 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:06.079 you let the fake journalists. That's what I would have done. That's redundant, 716 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.559 and the fake journalists is are done for. That's a classic without real 717 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:14.039 cameras. I guess, Ristia Lucretia, the Biden White House is going to 718 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.719 be calling you and hiring you on in a few minutes because that is brilliant. 719 00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.960 That is brilliant. Can I just make one or two comments about that? 720 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:27.000 So one is right? You've got all the Biden people, including Biden 721 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.039 himself, attacking the special counsel whom they appointed, right, whom they picked 722 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:38.440 for being partisan or for being inappropriate and so on. So here's my solution. 723 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:45.320 If they, if they really think that the Special Council is making stuff 724 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:50.960 up, is misrepresenting this, then have Joe Biden ordered the release of a 725 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.280 transcript of the interview that was conducted. Have the Justice Partner release any audio 726 00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:00.360 or videotapings of the interview. Let mark let people, and let people read 727 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:07.599 the transcript and they can decide whether they think the Special Counsel was actually misrepresenting 728 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:12.199 whether President Trump camera President Biden can't remember things because you're an evil man, 729 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:16.880 John that people said it too. Yeah, yeah, I think the Special 730 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:22.199 Council probably downplayed how bad it was because if you read carefully what he said 731 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:27.719 you could get you would get the mis impression that the interview started with the 732 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.000 Special Counsel saying, Okay, tell me the dates you are vice president. 733 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.559 Okay, tell me the days. It's not that's not what it looks like. 734 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.719 It looks like Biden's just his mind. He's saying, Okay, something 735 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.840 happened in twenty seventeen. They ask him about something to say it happened in 736 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.760 twenty seventeen, and Biden spontaneously says, was I Vice President then or not 737 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:51.559 right, it's if he's the one sticking the knife in himself, then I 738 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.119 bet the interview is much much worse than what we've seen in the Special Council 739 00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:59.119 for Yeah, Christ, the worse things. Can I add one little minor 740 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:04.320 detail to that John the whole idea when he was so offended and everybody wanted 741 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:08.039 to jump on his being offended about bringing u uh it is none of their 742 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:13.280 damn business about when my son died. I can't believe they asked me that. 743 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.840 I mean again, what a hypocrite. He brings up the death of 744 00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:22.039 his son bo at the most inappropriate times. Every time you turn around, 745 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:28.960 he lies about it. He lies how it happened. He undermines the the 746 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:35.679 a ceremony that's for a soldiers actually killed in battle because of his stupid decisions 747 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.840 to talk about how his son Bow was killed in Iraq. And you know, 748 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:43.239 the idea that he's going to be offended because somebody asked him about it 749 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:45.719 as an attempt to say, yeah, this is important event in your life. 750 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.199 When did it happen or how did it happen? You know, I 751 00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.440 think I think there's actually a worse aspect of the story or worse detail than 752 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.039 that. I mean, that's been well known now that he lies about that, 753 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.599 and and he just doubled down on it. But one of the things 754 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.480 he and his people have said, I think he said to this and his 755 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.880 people have been saying it the last forty eight hours, is well, you 756 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.480 know, those interviews were done with the Special Council right after October seven, 757 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.519 and you know, by I was distracted by a you know, a global 758 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.440 crisis. Well, the point is presidents are supposed to be able to do 759 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:19.559 more than one thing at a time, and you know, you know the 760 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.760 contrast here was. I forget it might have been Peter Wallace and John who 761 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.719 you know well of course, who told me this story, because Watson was 762 00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:30.159 White House counsel when Iran contra broke, when Reagan was in office, and 763 00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.400 you know, the Washington's going nuts. I forget what day it was, 764 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:36.840 but when one of the really the lid blue office with the North and the 765 00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:38.920 diversions, whatever it was, and he said he went in and saw Reagan 766 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.719 at lunch, that he had Furgod Marshall in. So I don't know what 767 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.920 the event was, but he said he couldn't believe how serene and in command. 768 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:52.199 Reagan seemed to be and so untroubled and unruffled by what everyone else was 769 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.800 running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Right, And of course, 770 00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:58.719 you know he had some very rough months ahead of him. But the 771 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:00.840 point was he never said, gosh, I was distracted by this, that 772 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:04.440 and the other thing. He was able to do lots of things at once, 773 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.599 as we saw. The analogy is so far from being apt here, 774 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:15.480 Steve, because you're talking about Reagan and you're talking about Biden. Yeah, 775 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.920 I know, right. I'm trying to remember Reagan has some real choice things 776 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.320 to say about Biden's diary. I don't remember him on the top of my 777 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.679 head. Uncle looking, I'm going to tell you what Paul Mgala said about 778 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.920 after the whole thing that came out from the Special Counsel's report in Biden's response 779 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:36.000 to it, was I slept like a baby last night after I heard it, 780 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:40.239 and I wet the bed every two hours. Oh no, you, 781 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:45.679 I mean Carmel, David Axel, Rod Magala. There being kind of public 782 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.920 with their alarm about all this, and okay, well, I mean, 783 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.719 never mind the twenty fifth Amendment. What do they do? I told Steve, 784 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:57.760 no more damn historical analogies. He didn't listen to me. I said, 785 00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.599 you got one choose Wisely, he ignored me. You've already had five. 786 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:06.320 But I do want him for a moment. So a lot can happen 787 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.760 between now and summer. We've got what this is February, what four months 788 01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:15.000 before four or five months before the conventions? What happens if we get to 789 01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:22.000 Chicago? To Chicago the last time we had a truly brokeren convention where Hubert 790 01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:30.079 Humphrey was chosen as a Democratic nominee after not even entering a single primary in 791 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:36.360 the Democratic election primary season in nineteen sixty eight, and it led to riots, 792 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.760 et cetera, et cetera. So what's going to happen if Biden stays 793 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:43.559 in the race all the way through and we get to Chicago, or if 794 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.440 he drops out? Steve, Well, look, I mean, by the 795 01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.199 way, it wasn't really broken in sixty eight, and then you still had 796 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.719 party bosses controlling delegations, so they were able to deliver in the nomination. 797 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:57.400 And you know if Kennedy, I mean everyone said, oh, Robbie Kennedy 798 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.119 would have wanted he hadn't died. I think that's very doubtful because Johnson hated 799 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:04.920 Kennedy and still had lots of power with the party and would have moved heaven 800 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.519 and earth to keep them from getting Okay, But look, I mean there 801 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.559 are supposedly procedures. I haven't looked into them. I've read articles. I 802 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:15.800 forget the details. But the parties can change their rules and the continues the 803 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:17.360 rules of the drop of a hat. Right now. Usually it's a long 804 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.559 but they can change it quickly if they need to. And the real drama 805 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.079 is that how they're going to go about doing this. I mean, they're 806 01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:30.719 going to release the delegates and I don't know. I have no idea what 807 01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:34.559 will happen. I think we're in completely uncharted territory. We've never worked john 808 01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.960 because I think the only element of government he never worked in was the Federal 809 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:45.880 Election Commission. Well they don't only I only worked for constitutional branches of the 810 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:54.000 federal government. I love it. I should listeners. Yeah, Have I 811 01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:58.440 been losing them? Have I been losing listeners already? I think you're a 812 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.679 squish on the border. That's all on the border. In the January sixth, 813 01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:05.800 in the Justice Department and and Okay, gone, what do you think 814 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:12.320 happened with the with the Democratic of primary? John? I'm just you know, 815 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.440 so I was getting a little I was getting kind of ticked off about 816 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.559 all this last night when I saw what was in the report, because I 817 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:22.239 don't know about you guys, but my Democratic friends are always saying to me 818 01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:27.480 things like, how can you allow someone like Donald Trump to be president? 819 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.840 Yeah? Right? And all I was thinking now was, well, now 820 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:35.159 you guys have proof, how can you allow someone like this to be you 821 01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.000 my Democratic friends allow this person to remain as president when now we have this 822 01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:45.119 is not just people speculating for what they see on videos or hearing. This 823 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.320 is a This is a report of the Justice Department, Like this is a 824 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:53.000 fine. I mean, can't me how important this is is that the special 825 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:59.519 counsel said he would otherwise have prosecuted this guy but for the fact that a 826 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:05.400 jury would sympathize with him because he seems like everybody's senile grandfather, right, 827 01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:12.119 so or father? So, I mean, it's not just like political speculation 828 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:17.079 anymore. So I would think if you really had a democratic party with responsible 829 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:22.760 officials, with responsible people in it, they would figure out a way to 830 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:28.719 write to pose Biden just like they didn't have Trump. I mean, I'm 831 01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.239 sorry, just the way they didn't have Truman run for an additional term, 832 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:36.760 just the way Johnson didn't run for additional term. They've got to use the 833 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:42.480 inside party politics of their own party to try to persuade Biden to step down. 834 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.199 Look, you could say, you could say to him, Look, 835 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:50.039 you did what you promised. You saved the country from Trump being re elected. 836 01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.920 You became the bridge to the next generation of democ politicians. You brought 837 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.400 us through COVID. So you did what you said you were. You're going 838 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.639 to be an important figure in American history. You're going to ruin all that 839 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:04.480 if you try to stay on for a second term. Right, So why 840 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:10.679 not send them off the stage with applause and then swap them for somebody else? 841 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:14.239 Hit Democratic Party leaders? Do that? Do they? Really? Is 842 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.239 the whole Democratic Party really under the control not of Biden, It's of Biden's 843 01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:23.000 staff. Really. Yeah, I think it's a classic collective action problem. 844 01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.519 But by the way, I will mention that this will should cheer Lucretia in 845 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.239 a certain way. There are more and more stories starting to leak out in 846 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:33.159 this week about what an awful person Joe Biden is and about how she yells 847 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.599 at staff. Jill. Sorry, I had doctor Jill Biden should have I 848 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:41.719 should have done a proper title about how she You know, Nancy Reagan used 849 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.679 to have a bad reputation for being tough on staff when something went wrong. 850 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.400 Supposedly Jill Biden is a lot worse. And so that's an interesting little tidbit. 851 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:53.239 We'll let's see at the media now, CNN, there's a CNN segment 852 01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.760 I saw, Yeah, there, you go, right. They went on 853 01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.199 for like, they took a six to seven minute segment fact checking Biden's press 854 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:01.719 conference and saying, no, he's wrong about that. That's also wrong. 855 01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:08.880 This isn'tcorrect. And oh and the New York Times Friday morning five stories on 856 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:14.360 the front page about Biden's memory problems in the fallout from the Special Counsel's report. 857 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.440 And you know, good grief. So if you're a loyal seat CNN 858 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.559 watcher who sometimes reads the New York Post, I mean New York Times, 859 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:28.119 you know you've got you've got to be going through some kind of mental anguish 860 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.920 at this moment because you've been lied to for so long and had the truth 861 01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:35.880 obscured from your view for so long, this has to be just a mind 862 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:40.800 blowing I would think. But anyway, we have so much more I would 863 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.000 love to talk about. But we've been going for a very long time. 864 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:49.800 And I'm going to have to ask John if he heard Kamala's full throated defense 865 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:57.559 of our esteemed president and if he was persuaded by it off side. I 866 01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.440 was going to offer that as the comalism, so I guess i'd have to 867 01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:02.920 wright he said no, because maybe people didn't hear it. Well, she 868 01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:06.480 said that it was you know, mess representation, but it got worse, 869 01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:12.039 and she said he was unprofessional based on her own, you know, deep 870 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:16.159 experience as a prosecutor, and that it was a direct partisan attack on the 871 01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:20.719 president. And gratuitous. Yeah, oh yeah, that was a big word 872 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:28.360 for her. Well, you know what, for her being the vice president. 873 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:30.280 I think she was grateful that this whole thing happened, So she was 874 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:34.039 gratuitoust towards Robert her that he did this. Yeah, I just have to 875 01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:38.440 wonder what she's thinking. Okay, I'm gonna go to the Babylon b Steve. 876 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:45.320 So Steve sent me as if I hadn't seen it already. The Babylon 877 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.440 Bee is is a national treasure, as just what I'm going to say right 878 01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:54.360 off the bat, and if you're not subscribing to it, you should. 879 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.920 So this one's new, Steve, you might not have seen it. Forty 880 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:04.199 chess. Trump four his judge to grant full immunity after he speaks gibberish and 881 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:11.559 shakes hands with the air. Okay, that's kind of funny, all right, 882 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:16.280 you guys should laugh. More Man ruled too senile to stand trial, 883 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:23.239 Still fine to run country. You know that's not even funny. That's a 884 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:27.800 layup. Yeah, yeah, but Biden calls for the president to step down, 885 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.559 right, okay, a little bit back to an earlier story, Catangi 886 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:40.400 Brown Jackson pauses oral arguments to ask Clarence Thomas, what is a constitution? 887 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.719 Actually? I think it was Molly, Molly, Molly Hemingway. But a 888 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:50.199 tweet, who is just I mean, it was just perfect. It was 889 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:58.639 what's the guy's name from CNN who came back? I shouldn't use those terms 890 01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.960 for master baiting on all. Oh, Jeffrey Tubman, the Tuban missile crisis, 891 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:05.360 as I always call it. Yeah, so Tuban has this long, 892 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:12.440 despicable rant against Clarence Thomas, and Money comes back and says, he's I 893 01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:16.720 guess he's taken a break from masturbating on camera to blah blah blah. And 894 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.560 it was, it was, it was perfect. But he was the only 895 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:24.760 one at CNN who seemed to want to, you know, take anybody else's 896 01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:30.079 side in this for a CHANGETANGI Brown. Troy passes that we didn't even get 897 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:35.760 to the bipartisan by the four scariest words in the English language, Bipartisan Immigration 898 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:44.359 Reform bill. Yeah. Troy passes border protection law limiting entrance of wooden horses 899 01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.840 to five thousand dollars a day. Thers is a day? Right, Yeah, 900 01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:54.079 sorry one day. And then finally, because there's so many senators say, 901 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:58.960 senators say they're not super worried about running up national debt as most of 902 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.600 them will die of natural causes in the next year or so. And it's 903 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:06.520 a picture. And then and mcgarth, yeah, you get it. I 904 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:10.319 did want to say, Steve and I had a back and forth this week 905 01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:15.239 about whether or not if McCarthy was still Speaker of the House, there would 906 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.319 have been a successful impeachment vote against New Yorkis. I think Steve's wrong and 907 01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:23.000 I'm right, but well beside, they may still get him. I mean 908 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:26.199 they were missing a vote, they had a Democrat they weren't expecting to show 909 01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:29.079 up, and then they were missing Steve's calise, who was has been ill. 910 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:31.680 They and they can bring it back up again because they did the parliament 911 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:35.319 re maneuver and they may yet do it, so we'll see. Okay, 912 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:42.359 Uh, Steve, I want you to end this. So I'm going to 913 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.920 tell listeners, today's my birthday. Oh, happy birthday. Thank you. 914 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.399 I'm six. I was just with you a few days ago. I don't 915 01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:56.319 see. I wish we would have celebrated. That's okay. But but the 916 01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.239 reason I mentioned only is because I want bumper music from Steve so wh ice 917 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.920 in my life. So when I turned sixteen, my best friend, believe 918 01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.600 it or not, she's she was my best friend. There was a radio 919 01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:11.560 station in my little town that everybody listened to, and of course everybody listened 920 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:13.960 to when they're getting ready for school in the morning. That's back in the 921 01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:18.479 days when you listen to the radio. And she dedicated Ringo Stars. She's 922 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:23.239 sixteen, you're sixteen. You're beautiful in your mind? You know the Ringo 923 01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:26.960 Stars song you Know It Right? And Go Star had any songs, but 924 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:35.720 but she asked the DJ to say, this is for my best friend Linda, 925 01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:41.800 who's sixteen and never been. Well, half the guys in Mason City 926 01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:45.479 know what Linda's never been, which she thought would be hilariously funny and wasn't. 927 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.039 But I've never forgotten it, and I've never forgotten that song. The 928 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:57.000 only other song I know of that actually refers to someone's age is the other 929 01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:00.399 Beatles song I'm not a Beatles fan at all and I'm sixty four? Will 930 01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:04.520 you still need me? Will you still feed me when I'm sixty four? 931 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:10.119 Yeah? And you don't want Whiskey Girl from Toby Keith. Whiskey Girl could 932 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.800 be the start because it was really sad about Toby Keith. Yeah, I'm 933 01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.880 not a huge country Western fan, but some of Like I heard a song 934 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:25.520 the other day that was a duet between Kobe, Toby Keith and god him 935 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:30.000 I forget his name now that he's a big rodeo guy. The songs called 936 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:32.680 Copenhagen, and it's singing about the virtues of the you know, the chewing 937 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:36.960 tobacco. Oh not Danish socialism. Okay, no, no, no, 938 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:40.840 no no. And the funny thing is that, you know the great thing 939 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:45.720 about chewy tobacco, It cures warts and freckles, It makes childbirth of pleasure. 940 01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:49.279 Just it's a funny song. And then Toby Keith says, us, 941 01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:53.439 sure is better than singing all them old love songs. And then the other 942 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:57.880 guy says, yeah, Toby, that is a love song. So anyway, 943 01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:00.279 I miss and he died of cancer as well, and I can't believe 944 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:02.880 I can't remember his name. But you know me, I can never remember 945 01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:08.399 names. So a lot of we lost a lot of people lately. Yeah, 946 01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:11.159 yeah, that's right. All right, John, you want to launch 947 01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:15.479 us out, I'm trying. Oh yeah, So always drink your whiskey, 948 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:19.880 meat and let's go Brandon and Steve God save the queen. Mano. I'm 949 01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:25.039 going to come up with some new bidenisms after this week rotation. All right, 950 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:30.880 bye, bye, guys. When I get older, losing my hair 951 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:40.039 many years from now, will you still be sending me a Valentine Birthday greeting 952 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:45.399 bottle of wine? If I've been out till quarter to three? Would you 953 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:49.760 lock the door? Will you still need me? Will you still feed me? 954 01:12:50.279 --> 01:13:09.720 When I'm sixty four? You'll be old, dirty, And if you 955 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:21.079 say the word, I could stay with you. I could be handy, 956 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:29.640 mending a fuse when your lights have gone Ricochet. Join the conversation.