1 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:21,280 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Tashinsky, 2 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:24,320 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:28,120 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,200 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts into the premium version of 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,039 our website as well. I'm joined today virtually sadly, and that's my fault, 6 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,079 but by Christopher Bedford, executive editor over at the Common Sense Society, 7 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,799 who's very eager to talk about John Federman and his sloppy dress. Chris, 8 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:50,200 why aren't you here because I have a panel. I'm doing a panel for 9 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,960 the Quincy Institute on why Republicans are just so trigger happy when it comes to 10 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,560 nuclear weapons and Ukraine and child all that. You know, it's a good 11 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,200 question, it's a good question. It's a it's when I wish I had 12 00:01:03,239 --> 00:01:07,879 a better answer to. I mean, I remember watching I'm looking forward to 13 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:15,200 this next week's VP debate, but watching it last month to see Nikki Haley 14 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:22,640 so self righteous and her explanation that if we don't fight Russia in Ukraine, 15 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,319 then China will take Taiwan. Yes, and then we'll have to fight them 16 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:33,920 here, and people just nodded, and I thought, man, I'm sure. 17 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,719 I actually I was talking about this with Sarah in the cards morning. 18 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,680 I'm sure if I actually had her on to debate, she would be like, 19 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,959 well, you don't even know about the sky a cord of Okay, 20 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,879 but we're just true, you don't know about it, no idea. I 21 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:53,359 just made that up. But they just know so much, isn't so it's 22 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:59,319 it's yes, it's like this Cold War reflexes, and then that's understandable. 23 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:05,719 But at the same time there's this weird also like cultural elitism that comes into 24 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,599 play, and you know, thankfully, actually this is some news. There 25 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:13,120 were six Senators along with a handful of House Republicans, who sent a letter 26 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,879 to Biden's omb director today on on Ukraine aid basically saying we're not supporting more 27 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:22,840 Ukraine aid for a you know, myriad different reasons that we've talked about on 28 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:24,840 this podcast before. But I think it was jd. Vance, Tuberville, 29 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,599 chip Roy was on it. Some some interesting names on the list. So 30 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,919 Republicans are you know, waking up to the problems with that sort of Cold 31 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,680 War muscle memory in twenty I love about the voters. I mean we I 32 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:43,960 hear more and more from voters just what exactly what are we doing here? 33 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:50,599 I think they're right. I can't recall my follow up well, speaking of 34 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:57,919 nuclear disasters, the junior senator from Pennsylvania, it's addressing like a plumber on 35 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,319 the floor of the Senate they recently. I just saw a picture. My 36 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:06,000 brother's a plumber. He doesn't dress like that. I usually have to wear 37 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:08,639 a long pants. Well, it's actually crawling down at the spaces. It's 38 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:13,919 not always a clean job. I was gonna say this was actually just pointed 39 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,919 out to me that Fetterman doesn't wear pants. I didn't realize that he was 40 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:22,639 really only wearing shorts. But I say that as somebody who disagrees with you 41 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,800 heartily on the question of sort of like sartorial standards for airplanes and airports, 42 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,840 and just like in general, I detest the sort of elitism that sometimes creeps 43 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:38,800 into these conversations. But John Fetterman is not elitism. To ask somebody to 44 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,800 not trust like an animal on an airport, it's not elitism. It's not 45 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:46,719 elitism for me to be able to expect that if I sit in a seat 46 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:50,879 I paid for. I'm not sharing half my own space with a four hundred 47 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:55,960 pound woman who's ryan her pajamas. Okay, this is not what you are 48 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:00,520 constructing a straw man and just punging it to hell right now. But we 49 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,479 need to get into this to both agree that John Fetterman, who was photographed 50 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:08,719 today going to meet with Vladimir Zelenski who's in town to ask for all that 51 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,719 more money, was dressed in like a gray I don't know. It reminds 52 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:17,959 me of like the big sort of cargo Carhart shirts that I like car Heart. 53 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:24,639 Yeah. Again, like this is totally normal dress. I completely support 54 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,560 people dressing like this. As you were collars, it had a collar, 55 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,439 It had a collar that was good. Bring a collar. When I when 56 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:39,759 I was a bartender and launching the New Guard and living in DC, not 57 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:45,120 even paycheck to paycheck, there was a point where I was buying discounted like 58 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:49,120 Jewish holiday food at the grocery store and literally had a pot of potatoes that 59 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,639 I kept on the stove just like that and throw in the fridge in between, 60 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,879 keep on the ste like a stone lady stew and throwing the fridge in 61 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,800 between and like seasoned with Montreal susanas and eat at work. Yeah, and 62 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,000 I still watched my face. I didn't wear my pajamas outside. It's not 63 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:09,519 a matter of poverty, it's a matter of or It's just a matter of 64 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:13,639 taste and classics. Actually, you know, I might surprised you with this. 65 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:21,040 I hate all the takes about the decline of the Senate embodied in this 66 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:27,680 stress code thing. Flush that out. The Senate is not an institution in 67 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:32,959 decline. The Senate is already declined. The Senate is a pit. The 68 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:39,040 Senate were used to be an august body of legislature, legislators in debate. 69 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:46,160 It's not anymore. There's no normal order, there's no real voting, there's 70 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:54,560 no honest debate, there's no oversight. They're completely run by the bureaucratic state. 71 00:05:55,199 --> 00:06:00,120 There's no interest in actually doing these things. Like as we saw you 72 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,439 mentioned Tuberville earlier. We saw the whole play out when he said, well, 73 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:09,319 you're not gonna be able to get any of these military officers confirmed past 74 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:12,279 me. You have to have a vote, And they pretended for three months 75 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:15,680 like they couldn't do anything. I mean, if you if you read it, 76 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,439 and we've talked about this before, but if you, as you put 77 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,920 all politics closely, you have for a decade. If you printed out a 78 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:26,040 list of the hundred of US senators, one hundred and most profit people on 79 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,439 the planet, you wouldn't recognize one more than half the names. And they 80 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:32,519 could walk by you at on their plane or a bus stop and you have 81 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,480 no idea who they are because they do nothing. I mean in order to 82 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:42,560 like Ted Cruiser eventually just started a podcast. We have a podcast. We're 83 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,160 not US Senators, And it's like, that's that's kind of what they're doing 84 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,519 here. Very few people are actually interested in the nitty gritty. So now 85 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:54,360 to see, like, you know, this obviously brain damaged kind of hoax 86 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,279 candidate from Pennsylvania show up dressed in like a buffoon, and everyone says, 87 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:02,800 oh, respects the institution? What institution? What respect is it? What 88 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,519 self respect? Does the institution happen has a lot of self importance, Yeah, 89 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,800 but what respect for itself and its duty and its role as constitutional role 90 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,439 does it actually have? I mean, look at look at what we're doing 91 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:17,480 with it right now. The spending bill, President of some sound spending bill. 92 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:24,480 The president by the way he was like busily engaged in protecting his son, 93 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,680 prosecuting and prisoning against enemies, and Republicans are like, oh wait after 94 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:32,959 after pass it in according to metro comus, and it probably exists to send 95 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:40,879 money to Ukraine and past president's budgets. So that's why I would I wouldn't 96 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,560 work for almost any politician because I don't want to have to do that. 97 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,279 Yeah, but I would work for Senator kid Rock if you ever ran, 98 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:49,480 I would quit my job and take a pack up to work for some of 99 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,680 the kid Rock with two middle figures in the air wearing Jean George in the 100 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Senate chamber of being like, you're all full of it, You're all self 101 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:59,759 important because you have no self respect. You are a shadow of what the 102 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,800 it was supposed to be your costplaying, So so the heck with you? 103 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,120 Oh cool? You wore a tie to work and you shine your shoes. 104 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,839 That's wonderful. Are you actually a functioning US senator and a functioning US Senate? 105 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,160 No, shut up, look like Federman is just kind of just an 106 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:22,160 exposing how stupid the whole thing is. Gene George is redundant. I want 107 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:28,240 to say that, but also you're right. You're also right likewise, you're 108 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:33,559 right to I think focusing on the hypocrisy of the people who are now decrying 109 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:39,960 the institution and the how precious this institution is. But actually Federman is so 110 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:46,200 interesting because he is recovering from what hospitalization over depression obviously the stroke, he's 111 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,679 brain damage, there's no reported there, spends a lot of time sitting on 112 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:54,600 a bench in a park inside one of the senabildings. A lot of time. 113 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,279 Yeah, And I think, you know, there's still this question of 114 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:05,840 like we should we're giving up on this pretense of actually aspiring to be great, 115 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,600 and that is like the saddest thing of all. Like it makes sense 116 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,279 when people are genuinely suffering from depression, they have a hard time getting dressed 117 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,240 in the morning, have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning. 118 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,440 But it is the standards of society that eventually help us, uh, 119 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:22,720 you know, live. We have something to aspire to, right, Like 120 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:28,720 we don't want to be in our pajamas all day, not able to like 121 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:33,759 muster the energy. And what's happening here is that truck Schumer is lowering the 122 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:39,759 standards of the Senate to meet John fetterman without also being like without also saying 123 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:41,240 yeah, we're giving up the pretense here, like we're all a bunch of 124 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:46,759 gabrownies. Like I agree with you, I agree with you. It is 125 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,519 exposing I agree, it's it is entirely exposing this. But it's also still 126 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:56,879 so irritating because they are still insistent that they can dress, you know, 127 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:03,559 with the utility of somebody who is a contractor and needs like to have freedom 128 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,559 of motion literally because they are like using jack hammers and regular hammers and all 129 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:15,159 that stuff saws all day long. But they're not admitting that it's because they're 130 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,320 lowering the standards. In fact, they still claim to be as virtuous as 131 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,759 before, if not more virtuous, because they are allowing this poor suffering man 132 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:33,919 to live his truth. To her point about that kind of oppression acts or 133 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,159 magically had a thing from the who and from the mots earlier in the British 134 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,240 working class rock and roll in the sixties, which was dead like a model. 135 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,320 I can't recall it exactly. It's like clean living and dirty circumstances, 136 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,799 or sharp living and dirty circumstances. These guys lived in factory towns and places 137 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,679 that were going under and the changes in England, and England was the poor 138 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,679 man of Europe. But they and they basically just messed around and got in 139 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,240 a fight. It's and we're not drinking, but they pour a suit and 140 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,360 tie everywhere they went, and it was just kind of part of the ethos. 141 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,960 And I think it's not it's more to your earlier point than it's your 142 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:15,159 latter point, but it's it's important. I mean, you you feel to 143 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:18,399 make your bed in the morning, your day starts by making your bed in 144 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:22,440 the morning. It's just I'm not here too. I'm not going to join 145 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:30,120 the chorus of exploration over for John Federman because I know that my future boss 146 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,120 and your kid Rock's not going to wear a suit and about it how much, 147 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:35,480 asking, well, yeah, and you know the reason that you would 148 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,720 vote for and work for apparently, Senator kid Rock is because the institution itself 149 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:41,840 is declined. It's not you're right, it's it's not like in decline. 150 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,559 It has declined. No, I mean, Nero might as well run his 151 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,080 horse as the Democrats running Cederman. That's well said, kind of mean, 152 00:11:52,080 --> 00:12:00,279 though, oh, I mean, it's it's not that mean. It's yeah, 153 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:07,080 I Fetterman is. I actually really do think he's an interesting person because 154 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,480 he's LARPing too. And we've talked about this before, Like the guy is 155 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,559 a Harvard graduate who grew up with money, has money now, his parents 156 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:20,840 have supported him in his sort of public service career, and there's like documentation 157 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,320 some of that came out during the campaign, and that is as irritating like 158 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:31,159 if he weren't LARPing, like if he were genuinely I was thinking about this 159 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,519 last night, if he were genuinely Joe the plumber who recently passed away and 160 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:41,960 was sort of rocketed to political stardom in the Obama era because he just had 161 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,799 the audacity to like interrupt Obama at a campaign at a campaign stop once I 162 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,960 think it was in Ohio. It kind of looked physically resembled John Fetterman, 163 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:58,480 like a similar physical type, like bald guy. But Fetterman is totally LARPing. 164 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:03,200 He has is absolutely no claim, no reason for the way that he 165 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:09,600 dresses other than that he wants to trick working class people into thinking he identifies 166 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,759 with them, whereas he completely supports all of the cultural bs and will shove 167 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:18,320 it down their throats and will allow Democrats to shove it down their throats, 168 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,200 no matter how appalling they find it, no matter how much money it then 169 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,720 costs them to find a way to pay to get their kids through private school 170 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,600 because they can't send their kids to the damn public schools anymore. Yeah, 171 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,440 that's kind of thing the Democrats has to do so well, but they get 172 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,159 off right. They've larned for decades. There's kind of that party and they've 173 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,639 given up on it. And you know, now now their publican party's doing 174 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,480 some of that of their own, trying to say, oh, wait, 175 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:46,039 Trump did well, so now we're the working class party. But then you 176 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,360 get them actually down to what they're going to vote for and what they're going 177 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:52,639 to stand for on Aside from like Jade Benson a couple of others, they're 178 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,039 still a corporate party. I mean, yeah, lark, he lark says 179 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,919 a working guy and he has never really worked, just like Bernie Sanders never 180 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,759 really worked. 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But Bernie Sanders doesn't come from 197 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:28,840 like John Federman grew up with money, you went to Harvard, like Bernie 198 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:33,159 Sanders is a kid from Brooklyn. This guy knows nothing like if Federman has 199 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,279 no legitimate claim to having the experience of a working class person, Which is 200 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,039 fine, by the way, if you understand that, and like we both 201 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,039 work in DC media and don't claim to be like the voice of working people, 202 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,200 but you can like understand your station is different, and you know, 203 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,679 try to do your best to put yourself in other people's shoes and empathize with 204 00:15:54,679 --> 00:16:00,559 people across the board. But he doesn't get like he'll legitimately like people really 205 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:06,399 think that the guy is like pulled himself up by his bootstraps. He looks 206 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,720 like it. I mean, he looks like it, So yeah, exactly. 207 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,559 But you know, speaking of Larkin, I actually wrote a piece about 208 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:18,320 this with Trump Yes this week, which is, I don't know if you 209 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:22,200 guys have noticed it, but Trump has been Trump has been moving further and 210 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:29,080 further and further to the left on abortion since twenty twenty two. And granted 211 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,600 he's in a Republican primary, and I think that has something to do with 212 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,360 it. Not an excuse, but I think for Trump, he's very he 213 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:38,440 moved to the left on abortion and the Republican primary. I mean, it's 214 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,840 then you're going to move even further left during the general. Well, he's 215 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:48,200 misreading and thinking what Republican voters want is electability, which is the exact opposite 216 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,519 of how he got elected in the first place. So you had all of 217 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:52,799 the people saying, we have to vote for Jeff Bush, He's more electable, 218 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,200 and all of the Republican voters were like, actually, we like this 219 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,960 Trump guy. Don't give a damn if he's more electable, but either way, 220 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,600 he actually might be. So pro life and Trump have a complicated and 221 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:07,119 interesting history. I mean, I remember the Las Vegas debate stage and I 222 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,599 read about this in the piece of the Telegraph where Trump came out on the 223 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:18,319 general election against Hillary Clinton and put her on the defensive and describes light term 224 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:25,480 abortion and called her a nasty woman and went straight at her as opposed to 225 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,559 just apologize and saying, well, in the courses of right. But it's 226 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,240 like, who life for? You just rand like you understand what these people 227 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:36,680 are abrogating. And it was really clear we've never seen anyone who've gotten that 228 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:40,839 far in the primary in the half century of Republicans pretending to care about abortion 229 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,519 to actually go at it that way. We've seen congressmen do oversee senators do 230 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:51,039 it, but not on the national debate stage that way. And Scalia had 231 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:55,839 died and Mitch McConnell held the line. So the pro life movement realized, 232 00:17:55,839 --> 00:18:00,319 this guy's got a chance to put out these judges. They really changed this. 233 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,759 And then he released a list of judges when there was so little conservative 234 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:10,039 doubt about this guy's bona fees, and people have brought up a pro life 235 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:14,240 movement that should not be taken for grant. Republicans have often taken this thing 236 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:17,240 for granted. They did not show up for Mitt Romney, you know, 237 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:21,559 despite the fact that everybody in Fox News didn't really go to church agree that 238 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:22,799 he was a Christian. They didn't show up for him. They didn't feel 239 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:30,400 like that was actually the kid. And and Trump rewarded them and had a 240 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,359 fruitful relationship. And by the accountant people I knew who worked with him in 241 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:38,119 the White House, he took a behind the scenes even interest in the works 242 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:45,160 from politics. Then Row gets repealed. He gets all this credit. Mitchmonconnell 243 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,480 gets a bunch of credit, but then Trump's candidates losing the mid term to 244 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:52,839 the Democrats. They don't do well, they get and crushed, and he 245 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,440 doesn't. Instead of he looks at this whole thing and says, the pro 246 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:02,400 life movement has portrayed me, that this row rewade has crushed my candidates, 247 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,599 the dobbs has crushed my candidates. And he was particularly annoyed that the pro 248 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:12,119 board Democratic groups like I was spent the pro life Republican groups like twenty to 249 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,799 one or something like that in these elections, which is true. She's like, 250 00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:18,759 hey, where'd you guys go? You betrayed me? And he turned 251 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:25,359 up them, and he's he's attacked them since he's routinely attacked Ron Santus for 252 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,240 his life bill that they passed in Florida. Run Santis, by the way, 253 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,759 dramatically I performed his candidates and actually sent him into a private temper tantrum 254 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:44,160 and ralago that some people have to witness. Yeah, and he's grown increasingly 255 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:47,880 antagonistic program. This past Sunday, he was on Meet the Press. I 256 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,440 think and he said, he said, I think both pro life people and 257 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,200 pro abortion people are gonna like me. I think everyone's gonna like me. 258 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:56,279 That could just be classic Trump, but that doesn't work in this country and 259 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:03,920 abortion politics, it happens, or there's Lindsey Graham has that fifteen week band 260 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,640 that Trump was angry about. There's rumors swirling that I've had not confirmed, 261 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:12,599 the Trump is toying with a twenty week band, which is basically Rovy Way. 262 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:21,480 It's codifying Roevy Way and the Republicans. If there was a breakdown of 263 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:25,279 Republicans in South Carolina, for example, this is just what say they chose, 264 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:30,279 and they took those who are Trump's supporters and they compared them to the 265 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:37,160 supporters of other Republican cannadas. Trump supporters were like ten points more pro life 266 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,480 than their fellow Republicans. It's like eighty seven percent or something, or maybe 267 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,440 even higher. They were more conservative on guns too, which is Trump actually 268 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,720 wasn't particularly conservative, and they were more conservative on a host of these issues. 269 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,640 And I'm wondering, what's what's going to come up with this because eventually, 270 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,400 like people are kind of running on memory and fumes with Donald Trumps, 271 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:03,599 Like Donald Trump twenty sixteen really ran on a conservative message and like a message 272 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,160 for a renewed America. Trump twenty twenty kind of ran out his grievance train. 273 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,279 Trump twenty twenty four I think is even more of that. But people 274 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:15,960 are still kind of remembering that we're going to build the wall, we're gonna 275 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,880 stop wait from abortion, and we're going to end these foreign wars. Kind 276 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,920 of guy that message in twenty sixteen, and they had people said earlier, 277 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,640 I think voters are really updated their impressions of Trump. Left wing or right 278 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,640 wing voters have not updated their impressions of Trump in years. It's a kind 279 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,920 of set so. And that's but I think this is going to come to 280 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,359 a head. Pro life groups in a creative support this sort of stuff. 281 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:44,359 Well, anyone care and and you know, I was talking to a guy 282 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,839 who's in the Trump orbit after my piece came out, and he said, 283 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,160 he's got a nothing's interesting. He's a real concern that Trump could actually push 284 00:21:52,279 --> 00:22:00,000 the evangelical American right more pro abortion, more pros That's very interestingly. There's 285 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:06,200 a lot of different people in that like barring and absolute catastrophe will not change 286 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,319 third loyalty to Trump. I'm not one of those left bringers like it's a 287 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,000 calls, but there's a lot of people who doesn't really matter what It doesn't 288 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,559 matter if we're dealing like actually with like a six foot two eighty year old 289 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,240 male. Nancy Mace's kind of sometimes it seems like as far as politics are, 290 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:32,279 which she Bill McMorris made that line compared to Nancy Mace yesterday and it 291 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,559 haunted me. It's like still like banging around in my head. It's like 292 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:40,200 Trump is the same politics is Nancy Mace is most liberal Republican support. Remember 293 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:44,240 how we taught you photoshop. You could have some fun with that. Yeah, 294 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:49,279 yeah, But I mean the evangelicals itself, the which out important poor 295 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:56,279 force in the in the American right, the moral majority. We're late to 296 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,160 the abortion trade. When this started, it was a bunch of Catholics after 297 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,480 a reviewaite. It was basically Catholics, and there wasn't any strong condemnation or 298 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,079 opinions from the ether. The local Baptist churches that started to build and change 299 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,960 later and then they became an important part of that movement. I wonder if 300 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:22,880 do they push Trump to course correct with push back and say okay, because 301 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,920 he does do that obviously, and say all right, I'm back on the 302 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:33,640 training with you. Guys, or does he pushed them to vote for approach. 303 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,359 Christ came in it. Just last night. I was out of dinner 304 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,960 where some people who are really involved in this and talking all this stuff through. 305 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:48,920 My theory is that there's really no mathematical, tactical reason for Donald Trump 306 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,279 to be alienating pro life voters in a Republican primary, like you think suburban 307 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:59,400 woman right need to do anything in the Publican primary. He could not come 308 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,240 outside for three more modest party. So it's a huge opening for DeSantis in 309 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,160 Iowa. Not that Trump can't afford to lose it. Obviously, Trump can 310 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,240 afford to give De Santis an opening in Iowa, South Carolina, New Hampshire, 311 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,839 and there's still a huge uphill battle for Donald Trump to lose or for 312 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,319 Ron de Santis to do anything that puts it down in Donald Trump's like massive 313 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:25,519 support. I think Trump's instincts are correct that you know, this is not 314 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:29,720 how he thinks about it. But we are a fallen country riddled with evil, 315 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:37,480 and people are tolerant of the abhorrent practice of abortion because we've been conditioned 316 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:44,880 not to see the dignity in all humans and in all life. But but 317 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:51,319 in a Republican primary. This makes no sense except that I think Donald Trump 318 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,160 always had this transactional, as you described, relationship with the pro life movement. 319 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:03,519 He's always seen pro lifers as sort of weird intent ikey Christians, pretty 320 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:11,000 weird and dark. I agree, very good, but it impacts personality. 321 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,960 But that's a very empathetic way to look at it, and I think Donald 322 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,799 Trump is one of the many people that doesn't have that sort of empathetic lens 323 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:25,240 when looking at pro lifers. And my theory is that him spouting off in 324 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:33,000 this way is reflective of a deep seated visceral inability to continue his side of 325 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,680 the bargain because he really is like grossed out by pro lifers and postdobs. 326 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,680 He's like frustrated that he feels like people aren't grateful enough, and he feels 327 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,440 like these people were always weird, and he feels like it's a losing issue. 328 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,759 So it just he's not able to sort of like keep a lid on 329 00:25:51,960 --> 00:26:00,559 his internal just his internal dislike fundamental discis. That's true, But again, 330 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:04,759 like in a Republican primary, he he kind of wouldn't, but we can 331 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,759 kind of Maybe I've got no point now, I don't think the primary batter 332 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:12,759 is for Cybon we're talking about. No, I agree, but like he's 333 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,599 still in the middle, Like he has no reason to be doing it right 334 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,920 now. He's not running in the general right now, it's not happening, 335 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,920 like it just it doesn't there's no reason to be alienating people right now. 336 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,319 Yeah, And it's I would I mean, like I said, open a 337 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,720 course correction, Like there was a period of time and when he was first 338 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:38,559 selected where he was toying with the idea of following Ivanka's incredibly stupid green agenda, 339 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,079 and he responded to outside pressure that was opposed to like you know, 340 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,799 it was like attacking Ivanka. But I was saying, because you can't do 341 00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,000 that. It was saying, yeah, this is going to completely tank your 342 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,559 reindustrialization agenda. He's going to tank your energy agenda. I was going to 343 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:02,480 tank your American jobs agenda. So don't do it. And maybe I'm hopeful 344 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:07,200 that he's responsive to this because I'm not trying to jump on the bandwagon of 345 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,440 conservative writers who complain about Trump. Yeah, I don't. I don't like 346 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,960 type of the people Gerald, But there's a problem here, and I don't 347 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,640 think voters are paying attention to it. I think it's going to come to 348 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,559 the four and I'm wondering who's going to give first the base for the candidate. 349 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,519 No, I agree, I mean I think because Trump doesn't have a 350 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,799 real serious challenge at this point in the primary, It's like he has no 351 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,279 incentive to be responsive to voters. It still doesn't make sense to like unnecessarily 352 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,079 alienate people and to make it so that maybe he does have to just for 353 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,799 the sake of it, like spend a little money here and there in Iowa 354 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,319 and here it just like it was unforced, Like nobody is forcing him to 355 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,880 answer the question the way that he did so, and he's got to come 356 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,119 back and win Iowa. He didn't win in twenty sixteen. I was there 357 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,680 that is that is a election night party, And speaking of spending money in 358 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,759 Iowa, I was kind of surprised. This is my first real exposure to 359 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,440 Donald Trump besides from like seeing him in a helicopter Atlantic City once was an 360 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:08,519 sixteen We thought it was school. I had a bachelor party. We saw 361 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,279 in the land because he has hair, you know, like somebody, I 362 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,519 said, a helicopter, it's clearly Trump, but uh, it was it 363 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,799 was not an open bar. It was sad. I'm sorry about that, 364 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,079 and that was I was like, oh, Donald Trump, not an open 365 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,960 bar. And that's since realized, like that's really not his style. It's 366 00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,240 what you lost and other people's drugs. Now you can buy his drinks. 367 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,480 And it was a strange, motley group of people. There a lot of 368 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:40,519 girls who were dressed for the club. But I remember he was talking about 369 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:41,599 much he loved that he was gonna come back. Maybe he was gonna buy 370 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,000 a farm there. So I don't think he ever bought a farm there, 371 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,920 and then he ended up winning stakes later. I was actually I think I 372 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,799 was at Rubio in New Hampshire, so I was always at the losers parties. 373 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,400 Way more interesting. Uh, it would have been fun to me to 374 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,920 the event once for once. I think it was a Scott Brown special election 375 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,240 on that was a winning event, so that was fun, the Scott Brown 376 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,480 special election. Yeah, my absolutely Bellot didn't come in. I had like 377 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,519 one hundred and thirty five dollars in my checking account and zero credit cards. 378 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,720 Teddy Barr and I spent it all on like a round trip Jet Blue flight 379 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,000 to Boston because Masterty Bellot didn't come in and a splue hotel on with my 380 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:33,319 buddy at the Scott Brown headquarters and my wars one suit and went there voted. 381 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,799 He picked up the airport we bob. I think he got a thirty 382 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,240 back. I couldn't afford to go out for beers and flew back the next 383 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,319 day. It wasn't and it wasn't an excellent time. Sounds like it. 384 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,920 Well, we've a stuff at Harmacare. Oh you were so close? No, 385 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:56,079 I mean yeah, it turns out turns out the Democrats were rolling the 386 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,200 fight a little harder on that. Yeah, she's a nail. Well that 387 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,240 on that. We're gonna have to leave it there because I'm I'm late for 388 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,400 the good folks at the Quincy Institute and Chris has parked illegally. That's how 389 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:10,359 badly we needed to bring this podcast into the universe today. All right, 390 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,079 absolutely find your loser pe Okay, Thanks chrisy. You've been listening to another 391 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,319 edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Deshnsky, culture editor here at 392 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:22,240 the Federalist, Joint to day by Christopher Bedford, Executive editor over at the 393 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,400 Common Sense Society. We'll be back soon. More. Until then, be 394 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:33,599 lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.