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This is a downbeat freak. All
right, Let's go back live to the

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NFL Black Monday News desk with our
correspondent Mike sir Roy. Sorry, there's

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so much coming in. Uh.
We reported earlier this morning, Thank you,

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Kevin, thanks for having me that
Arthur Smith, head coach of the

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Atlanta Falcons, had been fired.
We got another one just came in.

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Hot. Washington Commanders coach Ron Rivera
apparently has been fired from his duties as

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head coach the Washington Commodores. Commodore
Riverboat Ron as he was called for a

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long time, not because he was
really did risky things, just because it

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was a cool ass nickname. Yeah, Like statistically, he didn't really go

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for it more than yeah. It's
just kind of a thing that they said.

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But it's fun to say out loud. Ron Rivera fired. It's a

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damn shape. When you think of
steady hand, Ron Rivera looks like a

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guy that's hand has never shaken in
his now cool cucumber. Was Ron Rivera

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been in the league for a very
long time? Why was that his nickname?

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Then? Riverboat Ron? He should
have been As you know, the

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Commodoores are led by cool cucumber RIVERA. That's way cooler. Was he in

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proximity to a riverboat in one of
his former stops? Yeah, he was

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born on a riverboat? Okay,
really, yes, Kevin? Really?

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No? Oh I know, I
don't know the backstory. Will be born

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on a river boat? Oh?
Yeah, there's two down. It's only

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seven thirty seven anti Meridian here in
the Central time zone. We have two

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coaches officially fired here on Black Monday, Arthur Smith of the Falcons, Ron

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Rivera, the Commanders. Who's next? So five on the year. Who's

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next? Will it be? Bill
Belichick? Bill Belichick? Noted movie critic

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Bill Belichick? Will it be wet
to check Raves? It's hilarious. We'll

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let you know before anyone else on
planet Earth. I can't promise that,

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but I'm on top of it.
I'll say that we get Dingo's Morning News

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in an hour and an hour and
a half. Golden Globes Review. Why

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is everyone so mad about last night? Okay? Why are people saying this

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is the worst award show of all
time? I'm actually excited for this segment

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because I didn't see any of it, but all I heard was that whoever

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the host was bombed and made everyone
mad. And I've got the audio.

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Okay, I think he was mad
that people weren't laughing. I love that

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even more like I'm failing and I'm
mad at you guys, because it's on

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you. It's like the story of
my life. He made one young lady

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mad very early in the show.
He did it cringey. I don't really

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like it's for us. He got
bomb stared down as she was taking a

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sip from her flute of champagne.
That's for half the meams come from his

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award show reactions of celebs, and
it's great. It's really great. Yes,

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good drama. Also, we gotta
make it joke got back. You

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know. We did our Golden Globes
predictions last week with our listeners and we

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have tracked those to see if our
listeners are gonna win mystery prize pack from

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the Downbeat. Granted, I don't
know what our giveaway is this week,

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Yettie, So there's that. Let's
do our daily news segment, the scuttle

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Butt here Bing Bing bing well,
Dave Bing. So basically, this story

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that I want to lead with today
is a tale of It's a harrowing tale

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of flight. So there was a
big situation in the air on Friday night

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as the FAA has ended up having
to order the Boeing seven thirty seven MAC.

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They had to ground a lot of
them until they're inspected. Not all

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of them though, because there's a
wild of it Friday night where a plane

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lost a piece of its body in
mid air, and it is insane if

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you haven't seen the video or seen
this going around over the weekend. Alask

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Caroline's flight twelve eighty two. It's
leaving Portland, it's headed for California,

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and then about ten minutes into a
flight, a part of the fuselage blew

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out and it left a huge gaping
hole in the side of the plane.

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There's about ten minutes after takeoff,
there's sixteen thousand feet up in the air.

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The plane returned to Portland and landed
twenty minutes after taken off. Everyone's

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good, everyone, everyone's okay.
But who there's trauma that's gonna come from

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this, and basically what they want
the what they're going going to inspect is

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something that's called the mid cabin door
plug. And it is not like on

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the exit row where the wings are, but it's a place where it's a

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A door could be inserted there on
other planes if there are more people on

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them, but they did not have
a door there on this one. Now,

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this fight had two plugged doors,
and they're located between the rear of

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the plane and then in the emergency
exits to the back half of the plane.

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This was in seats road twenty six. Seats A and B just fell

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out. Just imagine the window you're
looking out of the plane and that little

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section that panel gone. Good God, luckily no one was sitting in those

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seats. Oh really, yes,
they were been Okay, had they been

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buckled in. They think they would
have been fired if they were buckled in

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because they had not reached a cruising
altitude that would have killed everyone where the

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pressure would have killed everyone. But
that can't happen. I've look at that.

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It's like that door. I guess
they build these fuselages for multiple different

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types of configurations, right, Yes, so it was almost like a not

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perforated But there's a a different configuration
that would have been a door, but

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it's not. Yeah, there's there's
some kind of maybe the fuselage is somewhat

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compromised in that spot. My understanding
I've read, say a couple of different

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articles on this to see if anyone
had extra details on it. My understanding

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is basically built with a they call
it a door plug for if you had

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more seats or less seats put on
the plane, you know, so if

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they could have been turned into an
emergency door. Yes, yeah, okay,

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And this is again a part of
uh it's the Boeing seven thirty seven

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Max nine and why this is an
extra Oh, I guess there's more too.

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Juice to this story is that in
twenty eighteen Boeing had their Max eight

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airplanes killed a bunch of people.
Twenty eighteen there was a seven thirty seven

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Max eight that crashed into the ocean
off the coast of Indonesia, and then

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five months later another plane crashed in
Ethiopia, killing one hundred and fifty seven

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people, and they had to like
make big changes to the plane. The

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FAA cleared Boeing seven thirty sevens the
Max Max plane they call it. That

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was the Max eight. This was
the Max nine. They cleared to fly

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again in late twenty twenty. And
these planes are in wide use, like

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there is I read three million flights
scheduled in January, almost five percent of

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them are using the Max eight plane, and about one percent of those is

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the Max nine. Point. So
if you're like researching that, you're going

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on a trip somewhere and you're flying
a Boeing seven thirty seven, see if

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it's a Max eight or Max nine
and maybe don't get on it. Hey,

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don't make people paranoid. I'm not
trying to scare you. Yeah you

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are. What are you trying to
save you? You just said save you,

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not scare you. Do you know
how many damn flights there are a

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how safe that stuff is. I'm
shocked at how safe it is. It's

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incredible that we don't have that.
I mean, we haven't had knock on

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Wood a real big air disaster in
a long time, not domestically. And

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if that's that's the big news,
and yes that's terrifying, But we didn't

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lose one soul. Yeah, yeah, that's that's amazing. One person the

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FAA said, if they were at
a cruising altitude then this just happened,

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then, yeah, everyone on the
plane dies. Really, Yeah, because

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the pressure there's a little I don't
know if you have this in your story

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about the previous issues with this plane, this exact plane. No, no,

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okay, so this dropped. I
saw this this morning when I woke

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up. But about four hours ago, New York Times reported that the Alaskan

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Airlines plane that we're talking about that
lost a piece of its fuselage mid on

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Friday was not being used in long
flights over water because a pressurization warning light

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had gone off during three recent flights. So this used to this exact plane,

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I guess got not grounded, but
it was not allowed to fly long

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flights over water because it had had
pressurization problems. The warning light had been

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going off during three recent flights.
It's too soon to say whether the issue

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had played a role in what happened
on Friday, but it's certainly a concern

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and it's one that we want to
dig into. The board's chairwoman of Alaskan

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Airlines said, we have on the
free cutline an expert in the field of

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air, in the field of flight. Oh it's a pilot, okay,

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all right, Hello, what's your
name? Captain? I you? Hey?

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What's go on? Hey? Man? We got you live on the

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air. Yeah. You don't have
to say your name if you don't want,

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But if you want to say your
name, you can say right now,

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sorry miss was that? We are
you a pilot? You can help

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us? You know what's going on
with the situation? Yeah, what's going

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on? Man? Yep? Talking
about the Alaskan Airline flight. You called

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in to provide expertise on it,
and that's where we sit right at this

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moment. Yeah. I just read
a couple just a couple of things you

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were talking about. Just wanted to
clear up some stuff and answering questions you

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guys had, is actually what happened
or what the actual safety concern was,

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or if people were actually in dangerous
situation like this, tell us what you

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know? Yeah, so obviously you
saw it was a Max nine with the

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last airlines. The Max, as
you guys were just talking about, it

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has had some significant problems in the
past, completely unrelated issue, more due

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to the engined modifications that were done
at the aircraft that were causing basically needed

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a flight software fixed to counter the
thrust from the engines that would push the

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nose up, that would automatically push
it down. It had a problem with

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that that system was activating and pushing
the nose down when it didn't need to,

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so that was what you heard a
few years ago when the Max was

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grounded. It is completely unrelated.
You saw a plug door separated from the

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aircraft. You guys were mentioning that
the airplane has built into a few different

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configurations, and this was a situation
where Alaska shows based on their seating configuration.

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There's a number of exit requirements for
the amount of passengers that are in

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the airplane, and since Alaska and
this particular configuration had fewer passengers, they

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weren't required to use those emergency doors. However, that the cutout for that

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door is still in the airplane.
If you look on the outside of the

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airplane, you can actually see where
the door would be. There's just a

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wind Yeah, there's just a window
there. There's not there's not the actual

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door. So on the inside you
see the normal plant paneling and a normal

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window. The rest of the UH, just the rest of the aircraft would

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see. So you may be sitting
at one of these doors and you don't

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know it's there. This is not
uncommon, This is UH. They do

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this on multiple airlines, different different
airplanes as well that don't utilize all the

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mercy doors. Based under UH.
The requirement for the certification of the aircraft.

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But the door kind of where the
door plug flying off certainly is uncommon.

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I mean what end that is?
So yeah, so there has there

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there's always issues manufacturing. So there
was an issue with the software. Obviously

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with the Max before there has been
uh issues you know, structural compromise or

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something like that with a door coming
off. So there obviously there is a

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somewhat compromised portion of fuselage there,
there's a port portions cut out that has

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to be reinforced and attached the panel
there instead of having the door. So

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in this case, obviously something with
a brand new airplane, most likely something

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with the manufacturing process. Some pieces
were missing, something was overlooked and they

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missed. Yeah, they they missed
a piece there because for for structural uh

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uh adominantly like that to happen or
something to fall apart where uh, it

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would be a situation just right where
the door was. Obviously there was something

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improperly done with that portion of the
of the assembly for you know, people

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inside. You know, there's been
completing reports on who was sitting there,

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but maybe somebody who was in the
B seat but not in the A seat,

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which so this is on the left
side of the aircraft. So seven

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thirty seven has three breached, so
agency. So definitely, I guess there's

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nobody in the a seat if there
was somebody there, uh, if there

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were. This is why as a
airline captain, and when I'm up there

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and I say, hey, please
keep the seatbelt fast in even if the

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seatbelt signs off in case we encountered
unexpectable US yeah off. Chances are,

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yeah, chances are if that person
was there with their seatbelt on, they

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might have been injured by maybe some
debree that got sucked out, you know.

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Most that's the kind of the stuff. As a depressuration happens the air

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the pressurized are on the airplane is
going to go the least through the resistance

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out of your plane, which is
gonna be that whole. So a lot

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of stuff is gonna be flying out
that door. People's drinks or you know,

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pamphlets, all that stuff. However, you know, for as for

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the depressurization, even up at altitude
I heard you guys talking though about you

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know, yeh, at that altitude. You can depressurize at cruise altitude thirty

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five thousand feet forty thousand feet The
real concern is the timing, useful consciousness

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and staying awake, mainly for the
pilots. We're we're trained to immediately get

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our emergency masks on and starting to
descend. That's when you'll see the masks

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fall and all that stuff. You
guys have some time. You know,

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it could be anywhere from you know, three to five seconds up to you

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know, a minute before you leave. It was conscious conscious before. Based

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on the altitude. Obviously, the
higher you are, the faster that's going

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to happen. But as for survivability, completely survivable other than the actual structural

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problem, like if some of the
metals sheared off and actually hurt somebody else

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to see, that'd be a problem. But as for the depressuration or the

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loss of auction, not really a
concern if they can get the airplane down

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quickly. And I don't know if
you were called. There was actually a

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seven thirty seven in Hawaii years back
that lost the whole top of the fuselage

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for probably about fifteen twenty rows of
seats to the front. The whole from

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the floor up just turned into a
convertible. People were just riding there looking

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over the side and a couple of
people were lost on that the one wearing

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cheat belts and whatnot. I don't
remember the exact details, but the people

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were on their seatbelts and they're they're
fine. They're just looking out the side,

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you know, down twenty thousand feet
to what's around them. So it

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was it was pretty It was pretty
interesting to watch that video to look out

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the window. You were out out
that door. You saw the lights passing.

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The people are just kind of looking
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out the window. But as for
survivability, pretty safe as long as you

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got your seatbel on. So that's
that's another plug to always always wear your

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sheatbelt in the when you're when you're
your sheets back there, damn, captain,

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is okay if I call you captain? Yeah? So if you're flying

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the plane, sorry, I mean, I just want to ask questions.

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Okay, two things. First off, if there's a flight attendant or someone

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a row or two away not wearing
their seatbelt, are you getting launched out

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of your seat in this scenario sixteen
thousand feet are you hanging on to an

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arm rest? I mean, I
know it's so Really the big thing is

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pressure differential. So at sixteen thousand
feet, the cockit's gonna or the cabinty

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and the cockat it's all the same
for the front of the piles in front

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of it and the passers of the
back. Typically the commercial airlines, they're

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gonna be pressurized somewhere between you know, six to eight thousand feet. The

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newer airplanes are pressurized lower to make
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because as you get higher, there's
less humidity, there is less aucygen.

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I mean, there's obvious auction the
airplane, but for environmental situations, for

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physiological reasons, it's less fatiguing on
the body. So it's much more comfortable

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to stay at a lower altitude.
You know, you don't feel your ears

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popping much. A lot of things
that happen with the body physiologically in flight,

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especially as you go up an altitude. So at the lower altitude,

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if their planes pressureized, say at
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feet, there's only what you have
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so it's not that much of the
difference at altitude and explosive. This would

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be an explosive decompressions we talk about
or rapid decompression. It's not like a

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pump one of our sea and Layman
turns like one of the pumps that pump

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the pressure in right to keep the
futurelaged pressurized. It's not like one fail

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then it's slowly depressurized. This is
what we call a rapid decompression or an

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explosive decompression. Where you go from
if they're at you know, say you're

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at if it's pressurized eight thousand feet
and all of a sudden you depressurize the

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thirty five thousand feet. That's a
rapid decompression. That's where you're gonna have

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all that pressurized air is going to
be screaming out of the airplane wherever it

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can find a hole. In this
case that door. So there would be

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things flying out that way. Whether
that's enough to throw somebody from their seat

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who's sitting further away, I would
say no, but you're definitely going to

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get loose items, loose articles that
are gonna be uh that are gonna be

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flown out that way. The people
in the in the new area, Yeah,

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there's a potential that have some issues
if you're not wearing your seatbelt,

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so it is a threat. And
that's why we always want you, always,

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always always to wear a seatbelt just
in case there's a situation like that

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happened. And like I said,
if there was this case, if people

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were sitting there, that would have
saved their lives. If they if they

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were sitting there, I'm confident they
would they would have written home looking out

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the side of the out of the
door, just like just kind of like

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you saw with somebody. We're talking
to Captain live on the down. So

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Okayngers, not the Rangers mascot of
our last one. You're dropping, you're

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flying the plane. I imagine lights
go nuts, you feel it physically,

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you you sort of I assume this
hasn't happened to you, but you would

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know what happened instantly, just real
quick. We only have about a minute.

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How does the procedure of I'm sure
there's a call you make where where

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the air traffic control understands it.
You need to get to an airport that's

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got a large enough runway. You
can't come back to df W. The

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scenario that you're flying out of here, I mean, how is that procedure

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of mass emergency? I have to
get this thing on the ground and you

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have to determine what level of emergency
it is. Yeah. Absolutely so.

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First of all, anybody who's up
there flying these their planes are any highly

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trained. We train to this multiple
times we go. We do simulators either

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a couple times a year, once
a year, depending on the programs.

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We do these emergency after emergency after
emergency, including we do these rapid decompressions

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or things like this. I actually
had a rapid decompression like this in Afghanistan

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who formal Air Force retired fly over
there. I had one in Afghanistan in

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the weather. We had to descend
and get out out of the weather around

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the mountains to where we get down
and get auctioned to everybody on the airplane.

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So it does happen. The first
thing anytime there's two of us up

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there, and the first thing we
always train to is myrecraft. Whoever's flying

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is going to say mirecraft. That's
going to confirm who's flying the airplanes,

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and so there's no question who's on
the controls, and that's going to save

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some other things that we've learned from
the past incidents like that there's not two

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people playing it once on a deep
pressurization. The first thing the pilots do

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before you do anything else is we
get our emergency auction mask. And these

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things are crazy in an airliner.
Man, you pull it out, you

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squeeze two buttons, it expands.
You put it over your face and it

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goes around the back of your head. You release it and it's like the

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alien from the Alien movies, and
it just sucks to your face and it

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pulls, pulls right to your face. So it's a very tight seal to

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get that oxygen flown. And that's
gonna get That's our one, number one

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party because obviously the pilots are gone. We're gonna have bigger issues than that.

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So that's our number one thing,
and we're gonna hear it. We'll

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get alarms, we'll get a pressurization
warning, there's gonna be bells going off

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in the cockpit. We're going to
know what's going on. So but our

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number one thing is we're gonna get
our auction masks on. We're gonna do

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a couple other things, and then
we're going to immediately start a decent preferably

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below ten thousand feet where the people
don't need oxygen anymore. Really below fifteen

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thousand feet you'll be fine with no
auction, but so we'll do that.

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We'll get the airplane descending. Once
we have it under control, then we'll

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talk to ATC and say, hey, may Day, may Day, may

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day, whoever our airline is or
whatever we're doing there, we need emergency

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decent this heading. Hopefully they're going
to help us out points in the right

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direction if there's any terrain around there, to keep us clear of that.

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Obviously we have a terrain radar in
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in that. But the priority thing
is to get down now to where and

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get breathe of auction because there's only
a limited amount of auction for the pastors

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and that, you know, depend
on the airplane you're looking at, you

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know, fifteen to thirty minutes of
oxygen. So we got to get down

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and that's what we'll do. Get
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feetle where you can breathe normally without
without the use of auction. So that's

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really the primary things, just safety, get control of the aircraft, get

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ourselves moved down, let ATC know, and then we'll come up with a

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game plan. We have plenty of
it's not the the airplane's not falling apart,

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well mostly obviously in this case,
right, but we have some time

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to come up with a game plan
and safely land. If it's not as

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feasible to land back in BFW because
there's something's going on, we can go

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to you know, Alliance, or
we can go down to San Antonio or

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whatever else we need to do up
to Shepherd Airport space to got long run

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lines as well, so a lot
of options there. But primary thing is

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get control airplanes, get our auction
going, and get down so that people

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can have auction in the back.
Is captain, stay on hold if you

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will. We'd like to get your
information in case we ever have any more

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plane issues in the future. Well
do Hey, it's great talking to you

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guys in a great show. Wuld
likeless you guys. Oh, thanks so

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much. We appreciate. I'm saluting
you, captain, not only for your

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information today before your Air Force service
as well, and thank you for calling

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in. Hi. Good morning guys. Think here there he goes, Captain.

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That was very informative. The downbeat
Captain, that was I mean,

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I mean a lot of words per
minute, but that was very informative short

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amount of time. Look, we're
gonna get to our cowboys commander's predictions,

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but we're not gonna let this best
pro shops story fall by the wayside either.

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Good all that covered in the eight
o'clock hour on the Downbeat. Next

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on ninety seven to one The Free