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bobbo Fay. Good morning, Bobo. How are you doing today? Oh?
Good Cliff, how are you doing. I'm a little tired, but
I'm doing all right. I'm a little tired too, but um, yeah,
I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay, just watching it snow again.
Um, I don't know, Bob's is it stone down there? Yeah,
I'm not on the beach, but it's it has been stone on the beach
on and off a little bit. And uh but it's dumping just like five
hundred foot elevation and there's from there up there's tons of snow. Yeah.
I'm at seven fifty myself, but I'm kind of getting Yeah, it's beautiful.
I love I love it. I love winter and all that other stuff.
I'm gonna go to the shop today. Put a new display yesterday.
Um featuring our good friend Laurie Joe Hamilton, who we definitely need to get
on the podcast because she's so wonderful. But she's also a little computer clunky,
so I'm not sure how. I don't think she has a computer,
so that's gonna be problematic. I probably have to go to her house or
something. But um, you know we have that nest from the Olympic Project,
right, the nest replica. Yeah, so since they made the replica
of the nest, and I have a cool display about the nests and you
know, showing pictures of the stones that were beaning together and all that stuff.
I took one of the walls in that little cubby area and I'm devoting
it to Laurie Laurie's work because if people out there don't know who Lorie Joe
Hamilton is, um, she's a fantastic researcher and she's she's a long term
witness. She saw a sasquatch when she's like maybe seven or something and kept
seeing the same sasquatch for fifty plus years, which is interesting. Bobo yeah
yeah, and she named it Bobo. Um, not after our friend Bobo
here on the podcast, of course, but after that gorilla that was in
that it was like in a mall or something. It was in Seattle or
Olympia Tacoma, somewhere in there. Yeah, then it was named Bobo.
So yeah, and so when she first saw the sasquatch, she just thought
it was the gorilla because it looked like it, and so she's called it
Bobo. But anyway, the reason she's getting a whole panel display in the
museum, of course, is because she walks her dog pretty much every day.
She's out in the woods walking around. Just heard her dog, Marley.
Here's a shout out to Marley, by the way, lovely brow.
She's out with Marley every day pretty much in the woods, and every once
in a while she runs across sasquatch prints. And she's got a really good
eye because some of those prints that she's pulled, they're hard to see.
But if you have eyes to see and you're around casts all the time,
you can see clearly, oh yeah, that's a sasquatch print. That's amazing.
But she sees these things in the ground. And she has been pulling
footprint casts from the area of the Olympic Project nest site since twenty fifteen,
and now the Olympic Project had no idea she was in the area, and
she's she's not on the private land, mind you, But she's like a
couple of miles in every direction around the private land that the Olympic Project has
access to, and she's been pulling footprints out of there since twenty fifteen,
and they seem to be the same animals that are still there. Now she's
even pulled juvenile footprint and cass out of the area. So the big question
is what does that imply for the Olympic Project nests, Like what kind of
social behavior are we seeing? And of course that's an open book. It's
an open question. At this point. We don't know that, but it
sure is neat to ask that question. And now she of course knows the
Olympic Project guys, and she still doesn't know where the nest site is,
by the way, she don't She still doesn't know. She obviously knows kind
of where it is because that's where she's pulling the cass, but for the
most part, you know, she's pretty oblivious to the whole thing, and
so it's pretty neat. It's so supporting evidence is really the theme of her
display. And I just put that up in the museum this week, and
of course we put up a new display cabinet last week. So there's a
lot of new things going on at the museum. If only it would stop
snowing so people can come see it. So that's that's that's what's up with
me? Bops. What's what's up with you? Why are you so tired
today? Oh? Last night someone got into a high high speed chase with
the cops. Drove out to the beach out here and was driving to the
sand dunes, driving up down the beach, and then drove up in the
town and build their car right around here, and they're running around the neighborhood
and client fences and they caught them right in front of my house. Oh
good, Sue had police activity all night. Yeah. Well it is humble,
man, it's a shady place where you live sometimes. Oh, for
sure, it's beautiful. A lot of substance abuse, that's for sure.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I remember every Obviously Humboldt's famous for like for
weed essentially, but there's a lot of other shady stuff going on there too,
man. There's like tweakers and weirdos and heroin probably, and I don't
know, it's a shady spot, man. People go there to kind of
disappear. They even like abandoned their names and take weird shady names like Bobo.
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of that Murder of Mountain and those other
documentaries about what's going on with the collapse of the legal marijuana market and just
the collapse of the marijuana market, like just top to bottom. It's kind
of like West Virginia when the coal mines closed, like math came in and
there's a lot more crime. And Humblet's pretty much always been the Wild West.
Oh yeah, it's never not been and it still is. Well,
you know, there's a price you pay for living anywhere. I suppose you
know, And you have a beach house in Humboldt, you know. And
I love how people probably conjured this amazing mansion that you live in the ramshackles
like sloopy thing that is being eaten by the sand dunes. That you actually
do live in. That's a shack. It's a total shack. But like
you probably ought not to live anywhere else. It just fits you like a
glove. Yeah, you've been there a long time too, yeah, going
on almost twenty years. Oh my god, oh my gosh. Well very
go So I'm sorry you're tired, but hopefully our guest today it's going to
perk you up a little bit. Yeah, it's gonna be a good one.
And I haven't heard the story. You haven't heard the story. Matt
Prude, our producer, is the only person who has heard what's up with
this gentleman? He reached out and said, yeah, I've got an I
got a story to tell. Matt talked to him and he said, oh,
this guy's gonna be great for the podcast and invited him on. So
I don't know much about him. I don't know much about the gentleman in
general. I don't know what's in store for us. So I can't prep
the audience or you bobo, but why don't we jump in? So yeah,
what I do know about this gentleman is his name is Greg Stanko,
and he is an amateur lepidopters, which is a butterfly and moth nerd essentially.
So that's what I know about him. And he probably ran into his
ask watch at some point. So Greg, are you there? I sure
am. How are you guys doing good? How are you doing great?
Great? Thanks so much for joining us and whatnot. So how did it
come about that we're talking to you right now before we find out who you
are, Like, how did you How did you end up here on Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo? Yeah? Sure, So you know we
all had coronavirus, you know that we all went through. So I really
kind of dive into a lot of nature podcasts and stuff, and so I
stumbled upon you your podcast, and I got instantly hooked. And I listened
to oh about fifteen of them, and then I said, boy, you
know what, I really need to reach out to these guys because I got
a pretty interesting story that I think that they're going to find interesting and it
might shed a little bit of light on possibly different you know, different activities,
different feeding forms, migration, who knows. But you know, I
figured, you know, you guys have a great podcast, and I love
that it's scientifically based, and I just thought, you know, let me
reach out and share my story with you guys and see what you think.
Well, I'm glad you got hooked on the podcast. Was it the content
or was it the charming personalities of the hosts? Oh, I'd have to
say both, don't you think Probably? I would probably hang up on you
if he didn't. Yeah, neither, right. I always enjoyed both bose
insanity that happens to him on a regular basis. He reminds me a lot
of my brother. I mean, it's crazy, the strange stuff that happens
to you, right, Yeah, yeah, my brother just went to Australia
and we actually had a the whole family had like a bingo game that you
know, like every tragedy or ill fallen thing that somebody that could happen to
him, we put a little mark in a spot, you know, like
catch yourself on fire, gets stolen, venomous snakes, you know, you
name it. Well, you know, maybe for one of these uh,
maybe for if we have a little time, or maybe at the member section
thing, you can we can do that same sort of thing. You can
tell us one story about your brother and then Bobo will tell us his story
about the exact same thing that inevitably probably happened to him at some point in
his life. Oh yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Brown Recluse Fighters,
you name it. Look at MC battle something like that. Yeah,
yeah, it's a it's an outragedy each other battle. We can give that
a shot after a little one. Once we learttle bit more about what's going
on here. So, so, Greg, I introduce you as an amateur
lepidopterist, But do you want to tell us what you do for a living?
And you absolutely do not have to. Yeah, sure. So I
went to college for biology and my field of study was entomology specifically, and
you know, it's sort of like a family hobby. You know, it
runs in the genes. My brother, who is currently a scientist out in
Montana and I we have just spent our whole lives with a huge passion for
insects and specifically lepidoptera, butterflies and moths. So my field of work took
me in a different direction, completely not related to the sciences. But I
do maintain relationships with several renowned institutions in the East as well as a couple
on the West coast, and we sort of are in the process now of
developing our own museum of American love Adoptera, and the goal with that is
to eventually you have a place where everybody can come and see every species of
butterfly and moth in the country and then kind of take you on a world
tour. So with that sort of hobby and that sort of work. You
know, I'm forty two years old and we've spent our entire lives in the
woods, in the wilderness studying these things. We've traveled all across the country,
all across the Caribbean, you name it. Like I said, my
brother was just in Australia, So I mean we take it very very seriously.
We have very highly documented scientific collections and have been published multiple times because
of our field work. So we are no stranger to the wilderness and you
know the wildlife and ecology that surrounds you know, everything from the east to
the west coast. And you've discovered a species or two of butterfly or moth,
is that correct? Yeah, we did, and we're currently in the
process of getting one DNA sequenced at the moment, so we have hopeful,
we have hopes for that. And it's a pretty interesting moth. You know.
It just goes to show that you never know what you're going to find
out there. I mean, this thing is probably about an inch and a
half and you know, like fluorescent orange and it was flying during the day
in a you know, in a field outside of Butte, Montana. You
know, something that should have been discovered but just was never discovered. And
it's always like the you know, slim chance that here you are in the
right time, in the right place, and you're going to come across something
that nobody's ever found before, or you know, you could prove the existence
of an undescribed, unknown species that did you see this sub fly flitting about
Andy, so what is that? And then manage to catch it? Or
Yeah. We were on a collecting trip last year in um Montana and we
went all over Montana and we went up to Glacier and then back down towards
Butte, Montana and west of Butte there's some great forest. I mean that,
you know, like the whole state just covered with National Forest and all
that. So we were in a riparian environment and it's sort of I'm sure
you guys are familiar with what a camas field is, Yeah, chemist late,
it's a it's a plant they eat the root. Yeah, swampy sort
of plate thing. In the springtime, it just blooms with all those beautiful
purple camus flowers. Well, I was soaking wet in the middle of that
field, chasing a bunch of stuff that we had been collecting all day and
this moth just kind of appeared out of nowhere, and it was going from
flying during the day, and it was going from one camus flower to the
next, and I just thought, huh, that looks very bizarre, and
I elected it. It's a good thing we collected it, because that's the
one that turned out to be as of right now unknown. Very cool.
So it's your own little version, your own version of cryptozoology, I guess,
because that's exactly what it is, discovering new species. Is that the
only time that such an amazing event like that has happened. Have you discovered
other species of moths or butterflies? Yeah? I discovered one in Idaho in
nineteen ninety eight, again with my brother. We went on a collecting trip
out to the Sawteeth National Forest and we are both freshly graduated from high school,
eighteen years old. You know, out there in the middle of a
field with a generator and a four hundred watt mercury vapor light in the middle
of nowhere, And that's basically how you collect these things. And you have
like a white sheet that you hang between the trees at night. You set
up this mercury vapor light and it just attracts everything you know to your light
that's probably within a up to a half mile radius. And again, you
know the same situation. You're out there and you're just like, wait,
this looks this is just something odd, looks. This looks very different,
very weird. And so I ended up collecting it and we determined in like
nineteen ninety nine that that was an undescribed species as well, and I donated
it to a museum at the time. And you get the name these things,
right, Well, you kind of don't get to name them, but
you're all it depends. You know, you could offer a suggestion of a
name, you don't get the name because you're not the person who wrote the
journal article. Well, I I left that to the in that in that
case, I left it to the museum to go ahead and name the specimen.
But yeah, you you the genus of course is already described. So
whatever genus that moll would or a butterfly or insect or whatever falls into.
How many are found? Are you? How many do you guys find a
year like or they in North America? How many species would you say?
Well, hardly any I mean it, I mean in the scientific community,
it's not common to find new species of macro Lepidoptera, which is anything that's
let's let's just say, you know, for conversations sake, that that would
be anything over like a half an inch right in wingspan. So it's it's
it's pretty you have to be pretty devoted and pretty um focused on trying to
find something new because it's not a it's not an event that commonly happens.
But by any chance, were you doing this sort of activity when you had
the encounter with the potential sasquatch? You bet, I was. Well,
let's get into that then. Let once you set up the board for us
and tell us what you're doing and where you were as much as you feel
comfortable sharing. Um. I don't know if if like if butterfly spots are
like fishing spots where you don't want to give give it away or something,
but um, yeah, set us up. Where were you, what were
you doing, who were you with, tell us the story, and then
tell us what happened. I'm interested in hearing what impressed Matt Pruit so much
that we had to be on the air. Yeah. Absolutely. So The
date was September thirteenth, two thousand and six. I know that for a
fact because it was my birthday, squatty birthday, so that that time of
year in August in September in the northeastern United States, possibly in the West
too, I'm not sure, but because there's only a couple species of this
one family of moth that I was specifically looking for, and the genus of
the moth is Catacola, and these Catacola mods or underwing moths, are these
large, swift flying, extremely colorful noctuid mods, and they're about three and
a half inches anywhere anywhere from about two to three and a half inches.
There are a common genus here in Ohio where I'm located. And the trick
to these mods is that they're not always commonly attracted to light, so it
doesn't always benefit you to try to set up a light trap in order to
collect them. You will get some, but the preferred method of collecting them
is a process called sugaring. Now, what you do with sugaring for moths
is you take a concoction and every you know, every lepidopter is kind of
does it a little bit different. But I was taught by my grandfather that
the best way to do it is to have rum, brown sugar, bananas,
molasses and beer couple for the moths and then one for yourself. You
know, yeah, it's gonna say like after you're done drinking all that,
then what do you do? So you kind of mix, you mix all
that together and it forms like this really thick, syrupy, super super sweet
alcoholic mixture which also you know, I mean the beer and the rum makes
it very potent smelling. And you take that mixture and you get a paint
brush and you go in the woods and you paint the trunks of trees.
So you'll put like a twelve by six in strip of this goop on the
trunks of deciduous trees, and you know, you kind of wait a little
bit and then you know, once like the you know, evening breeze or
whatever, you know, like there's a little bit of wind in the air,
you know, it kind of just makes that scent travel and these mods
are attracted to that mixture on the trunks of trees. So you know,
you can go back like a half an hour later, like after you set
up the set up the tree trunk, go back with a head lamp and
you kind of like check you know what's what's there, and you could get
ten fifteen of these huge mods sitting on the trunks of trees. So I
do that in August and September, and I always it's called baiting, and
I always kind of like bait this one chunk of acreage on my property.
I have a one hundred and forty acres of like extremely forested property here your
old growth forest too, sort of by the Columbiana County border, like so
we're like in Mahon and Columbiana County, just so you could have like a
geographical bearing there. Yeah, of course Columbiana County. Yes, I believe
that's the same county that the Ohio How was recorded in back in ninety four.
Whenever Moneymaker got that, I think, yeah, it was. It
definitely was, because that was one of the things that freaked me out about
what happened to me after when I was doing this process. Well anyway,
so like you got any paint these trees, and you know, you could
kind of leave the mixture up there for a couple of days, it doesn't
it's absolutely like the word, the more it ferments, the better it gets.
So I started collecting really like the second week of September in this case,
and I put out a fresh batch and you know, i'd go out
there and weather permitting, you know, I checked the check the traps and
see what I can get. And essentially, you know, like the mods
land on the tree, they drink the mixture, they get drunk. So
all you do is you go up with a collecting net and you just kind
of like PLoP them in there. And you know, they're really easy to
collect that way. So I've been noticing that we had prime weather conditions and
warm nights and the wind was, you know, great because you want a
little bit of wind to spread that scent around. And I'm not getting any
months, you know, I mean, it's just something that doesn't happen.
It should happen. So I noticed that, you know, they're they're just
not there. And September thirteenth rolls around. Like I said, it was
my birthday. Now, mind you, we didn't I didn't do anything for
my birthday, so we didn't like, there was no drinking, you know,
we didn't go out partying or anything like that, just kind of sit
staying at home and watching television. I got all the windows in the house
open, and I heard the the coyotes going off, you know, which
I just love the sound of the coyotes. I just I think it's eerie
and creepy and just cool. So I stepped outside my front door to go
listen to the coyotes. And I walked out there and I said, I
stopped dead in my tracks. And I'm like, what the heck is that?
It was not a coyote sound like at all? It was it was
this insane, intense howling, you know, like exactly exactly like that famous
Columbiana call. And I mean, I would try to reproduce it for you,
but I don't. I don't think I could even do it accurately.
But I mean I stepped back and I was like, holy crap, what
the heck is that? You know? Stopped me dead in my tracks?
Every every hair on my arm stood up, the hairs on my back,
the back of my neck stood up. I mean, it was it was
quite daunting. What the heck could that possibly be? So then I'm standing
out there and I'm trying to figure it out a little bit more. Now
this sound is coming from the woods, which, oh man, let's say
maybe a tenth of a mile from where I'm standing so like you could walk
there, you know, no problem. It's quite loud and quite jarring.
Or oh yeah, it was horrifying. I mean it was. It was
horrifying. So, you know, like I knew the exact area where this
was. It was coming from where I bait the mods, where I would
go to you know, collect them. I would walk down there and go
collect them at night. And this is at two thirty in the morning,
you know, give or take, you know, twenty minutes or whatever.
And so then I'm standing outside and I'm hear this thing. How over there
in the woods where I always go, and then across the way and closer
to me, so like if you stuck your right hand out straight out like
so like that's where the response came from. So that's that response came.
And it was several whoops and then a howl as well, And I said,
what the heck is this? You know? Of course, like I
don't even know. I'm not educated about bigfoot. I I'm not at this
point in time. I just don't have the knowledge of what people have experienced
in the field, you know, during these encounters. So bigfoot wasn't wasn't
on the list. Of candidates. At this point, It's just like,
what the hell is that noise? Yeah, it was like, what the
hell is that noise? You know? And I'm like, well, I
know it's not a red fox. I know it's not an owl. I
know it's not a screech owl. I mean, I'm a you know,
I mean, I'm a biologist. You know, you know the sounds that
are in nature. You're familiar with that, you know, I mean,
especially if you've been in wilderness locations, You're familiar with what you could come
across. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be
right back after these messages. So then I'm still standing out there and then
this weird experience is happening. And then at the site where the moth bait
is, I heard like somebody picked up a baseball batman and just whack whack,
whack whack on the tree trunks and it was five consecutive knocks. And
the other one across from me then responded again with Knox and it was a
I mean, it was wild. So this back and forth communication went on
for about an hour, and at this point, I'm like, you know
what this could this be a big foot? You know? So, so
that actually crossed that crossed your mind while this was happening, It did,
It crossed my my mind about twenty minutes into it, like after I kind
of like decided, I have no idea what this was. I mean,
what animal in nature, anywhere in nature knocks? Well, what were your
thoughts prior to this about sasquatches, real animals, not your biologists, your
trained biologists, I imagine you know you probably thought the bigfoot thing was kind
of nonsense? Or is that not true? Were you Were you in the
know at that time or not? No? No, I never actually thought
that it was nonsense. And it's sort of like I didn't seem like I
always give credit to you know, there has to be something there. There's
just too much evidence. There's too many people that have seen this. I
mean, this has been going on for years and years and hundreds of years,
you know. I mean people have been reporting some sort of you know,
simian creature in forests, you know, all throughout the United States,
you know, Russia, all of that. I mean, so I did
know a little bit about it, but I was not like an avid follower
of what it could be Were you aware that sasquatches were in a high of
course, I've heard of the Ohio grassman tails, you know, and that's
not too far from here, you know, I mean, like where I'm
at, you know, you kind of just head south and you're in rural
country, you know. I mean, we have a pretty big acreage here,
you know, there's enough for us for something to travel through. I
mean, I've had black bear sightings here, which they're not supposed to be.
Oh yeah, sure, Columbiana County has a ton of stuff, as
I We all know that now, and certainly I'm positive you've done some reading
about the subject since this event. I was wondering at the time. Yeah,
because Beaver Creek State Park. I've heard them down there, and I
barely ever go to Ohio. Yeah, that's that's not too far. I
mean, that's that's probably about fifteen to twenty minutes from from my location.
So at this point, you're hearing them knock, You're hearing them call back
and forth, and you're and finally you said of like, oh my god,
is this a sasquatch? Are these sasquatches that I'm listening to right now?
Yeah, that's what I thought. That's literally what I thought at that
point. And you have to under stand these woods, Okay, these are
not easily travelable woods. You can't. I mean, I go in there
because I'm familiar with the woods. I mean, these woods are swampy,
they're they're they're dirty, they're muddy. I mean, they're old. You
know, they're not there's no trails, you know, even when you go
like on game trails and stuff like that. I mean, they're just they're
they're really really difficult to navigate. And why would you want to. I
mean, the insects, you know, because it's swamp. I mean,
we have a lot of swamp here. I mean, the mosquitoes are horrendous.
It wouldn't have made sense that someone a human was in two different locations
in this area. It just could not have been possible. Let alone,
they would have had to have gone through, like have access to my driveway
in order to park their cars hop in there and you know go. And
also geographically, you know, there's a river that separates you know, the
areas from where I heard them to you know, like, no humans going
to be able to cross this river at three o'clock in the morning, I
mean, it just would not it would just not make any sense to do
that, you know, So I couldn't wrap my mind around, like what
could this have been? And I remember that night after this happened, I
like instantly hopped on my computer and I'm like researching and all that stuff,
and I put it on Facebook because I wanted to document it in real time,
right, you know, I wanted you know, and I just said,
you guys might not think I'm crazy, but here's what happened to me.
And the strange thing too, is I got a call the next day
from my friend Mary Ellen. Now this girl she doesn't live too far away
from me, and she lives in the in the country as well. And
I mean this this girl is a hardcore. I mean she's she's a hardcore
girl. You know, she's a bartender in a country bar. I mean,
she's like she's you don't mess with her, you know. I mean,
she's this beautiful girl. She looks like Anna Nicole Smith, right,
you know, just but she'll she'll she'll kick the crap out of anybody.
She was driving home, like I think it was twenty four hours later.
Forty eight hours later, she was driving home from her bar shift and she
got a flat tire, and she had a flashlight in her car, and
she wasn't too far from her house and she was going to wake her boyfriend
up to you know, come like, hey, come, let's get the
tire change on the car. You know. It's like three o'clock in the
morning again something like that. So she goes and she's walking up the street
towards her house, down this like kind of like gravelly country road, and
she's got a flashlight and she saw someone walking on the side of the street,
you know, and she was like, who is that, Like,
who's going to be walking down the side of the street at three o'clock in
the morning. And so she goes and you know, now this person like
jumps in the field, you know, a little bit, and now they're
running through the field and she shines her light on what she thought was a
person, and you know, sure enough, she said, I swear to
God that it was the Bigfoot. You know, she called and she told
me about it, because you know, I just posted that on social you
know, like, yeah, I don't know, it was either twenty four
or forty eight hours earlier, and I mean, like this isn't the kind
of girl that's going to make something up, you know. I mean,
she was just freaked out by it. She needed to talk to somebody,
and she didn't know who to talk to me, So she called me and
she told me about it. So I thought that that was pretty interesting that
pass. You know, they were migrating in that direction. Well let me
let me let me ask this because you might have said this, but just
just just to clarify, how far apart in time and space did these two
events happen? Okay, so the time, the time would have been either
twenty four or forty eight hours later, okay, from from my experience.
And when we're talking about distance, Okay, so like as the crow flies,
let's let's call it. Let's call it two and a half miles,
like close enough where it could have possibly been the same animal that just traveled
over you know, that that bit of space there. And I mean,
I have every reason to believe her she would not. For what reason would
she make it up? You know? I mean, it just wouldn't make
any sense that you would do that. Well yeah, yeah, And I
think the vast majority of people who share their sasquash stories aren't lying or I
mean, they might be mistaken, but I don't think. I just don't
think most people are liars like like that. You know, I think you
have to have a pretty dis I mean, I mind you, I'm a
kind of a pessimistic someone that comes to the human species, but you have
to have an even more dismal perspective on humans to think that everybody out there
is lying about this. Sure, sure, absolutely well. The interesting thing
was, you know, like after I had this experience, I mean,
I was hesitant to go back in those woods, you know, but I
knew that I had to go there, and um, I called my uncle
up and I say, hey, come on, we're gonna go look at
in these woods and see, you know what we could find. And the
interesting thing about it was that it looked as if, and what I think
was happening was that these creatures were possibly eating those mods, feeding off of
those mods that were on the trunks of those trees. I mean, why
not i'd that before? Really? Yeah, yeah, I mean I think
that that's that had to I mean, because these are these are a large
fatty insect that are that are you know right there, Just so you lock
it right, off. You know, I assume that the primate would have
to have pretty good nocturnal vision if it's so often active at night, So
why why not? Why couldn't it? And plus it, you know,
the smell rotting fruit, you know, I mean, it attracts a lot
of a lot of animals, you know. And it even looked like some
of the bark on the trees was like disturbed, you know, like chipped
and and you know it could have been peeling away maple bark that was covered
in sugar. Yeah, that's what I That was my first go too.
I mean, sure they might be eating the moths, but you actually found
physical evidence of them tearing some of the bark away though. Yeah, yeah,
definitely that's what I thought. You know, at the time, I
was like, well, you know, I'm very familiar with these trees.
I've painted the same trees for years. You do the same ones because you
want to thick tree that you could recognize in the dark, you know what
I mean. So you're gonna like, I have my own game trail that
I made through the woods, and yeah, you know, I mean at
the time, I wish I would have thought about it. I wish I
would have thought a little bit clearly more about Hey, look, let me
see if I could sample this or look for some sort of you know,
hair follical or you know, any sort of evidence that I could have saved.
But it just wasn't. I think that it's way more mainstream now,
Like I mean, I would immediately think to do something like that, you
know, if I ever came across something that I couldn't rationalize. But well,
you know, your story reminds me of two other things I've heard or
seen myself. Actually in one case, one of them is I think,
God, I think Dennis full who has been a guest on the program here,
I think he's the one who told me about a situation in Colorado,
a long term witness situation in Colorado, and a lot of footprint cast,
like dozens of footprint casts came out of this event. By the way,
this situation in what Dennis's shared. We gotta get Dennis back on the program
to talk about this one too sometime, I think. But I guess the
first time that the family who lived at this location saw the Sasquatch, it
was the little girl. I want she's about six or something. I don't
know. My numbers are going to be fuzzy because it's Dennis's situation and he
just told me about it, you know, a decade ago or something.
But from what I recall, a young girl, probably around six or something,
came around the corner on some trail on the property and came basically face
with a sasquatch. But what it was doing is that there was a log
pile at this particular place in the trail, and of course she didn't see
it. There's some turn in the trail or something that prohibited her from saying
the animal before she was upon it practically, But when she came around the
corner, she was pretty much face to face with a sasquatch, and there
was a log like a tree trunk sticking out of this log pile, you
know, and there was sap on the end of the log where it had
been cut, and the sasquatch was licking the sap off of the tree.
I don't know what kind of tree that would be really interesting and valuable information
to have, but the sasqua which is apparently licking the sap as it was
oozing out of the tree, which makes a lot of sense. I think
it loves high sugar content for a lot of these trees and their sap and
whatever. And then of course she they came face to face and they both
got scared and they both ran opposite directions. Very Frankenstein like moment, you
know. But another situation, and Bobo was there for this one. But
we'd remember doing the Finding Bigfoot episode in The Cat's Skills at the location of
the New York baby footage. Yeah, it was. It was sloppy and
rainy. It was a torrential downpour. And what did we find, Like,
we got knox, of course, we got knox at nights and when
we follow the Knox into the tree line, and what we found and this
isn't directly you know, moths or butterfly related, of course, but hundreds
and I mean I dare say thousands of earthworms that had basically been drowned under
you know how earthworms like when it rains really hard in the ground becomes saturated,
they come to the surface in desperate need of oxygen, you know,
because they're drowning underground there. And there were literally thousands. I think I
don't think I think, I don't think I'm exaggerating at all. Thousands of
earthworms headed surfaced, and that's in the exact area where we're getting the knocks
from. So I think it's a very safe bet that insects are on the
menu for sasquatches. So moths, why not. I mean, moths are
probably like bond bonds or beautiful little candies for them, you know, little
packets of calories. In my behind the scenes right up in my cliffs notes,
if you will, for that episode, I actually did some calculations about
how many calories would be available per square foot or yard or something, and
it was it was considerable. You know, assuming sasquatches need about five thousand
calories a day or so, which seems like a pretty safe number. I
think, um, they could easily get that and just then a couple hours
of foraging just from earthworms if they're not looking for a balanced diet. So
remember that up I was at lake up their Mono lake. Yeah, the
Mono Lake footage. Oh yeah, Mono Lake footage, which is really interesting.
You want to go you want to talk more about that bobo. Well
it was it was termise that was a termis or moss no no, um
in that case, Uh, what was happening is that Mono Lake is a
kind of a brackish, salty sort of place, and the shorelines swarm with
brine shrimp and fly and flies too. That's right. Yeah, I was
there collecting, actually in Mono Lake. Yeah. Did you know there was
a sasquat a piece of sasquat' footage from that lake. I was not aware
of it at the time, but I found out about it when I came
back because I was obsessed with Mono Lake. I just thought it was one
of the most beautiful places I've ever been. And I did end up finding
it after I was there, and I was I was kind of glad that
I found it after we were there, you know, because we were in
the again, you know, on the other side of Mono Lake, in
the National forest over there, you know, middle of nowhere, you know,
setting up in the dark all night long collecting, you know, and
uh yeah, I mean it was an incredible place. Wee. One more
thing about you know, the moths on the trees too. You know,
grizzly bears and black bears have been known to forage for hibernating moths and I
and that happens in your neck of the woods. A lot too. I
mean they're they're just a high source of fat in protein. What do they
gather up like a like a little flock or something that when they hybernate,
they'll go like a rocky mountain side and they'll just start like flipping over rocks,
you know, and they'll look for the moths that are hibernating there.
And that family and mods would be the same family that I was attempting to
collect here, you know, you know, not the same genus. But
you know, when we say family, I'm referring to the family noctuity.
And they are a fatty, little plump moth, you know, kind of
like your common chubby moth that would come to you know, any light,
any pat do you light that you see are like a garden pest, you
know, those sorts of mods. So they got a real robust body on
them. And those the bears they do, they scavenge for them, They
look for them, and they sit there and they eat the moths on the
you know, wherever they can find them, wherever they're hibernating. App makes
sense. I just did a brief search here. Moth larvas or larvae provide
about two hundred and sixty five calories per one hundred grams. They are sixty
three percent protein and fifteen percent fat with only about four percent water. Program
These are good if you want to get into bodybuilding on a budget. Oh
there you go, there you go. All right, it's gonna stop.
I'm gonna stop any working out right now and just go eat moths and see
what I can do. But yeah, for verse sasquatch, that totally makes
sense. I think that a lot of times humans. It's another human predicament
where we like this or that and don't realize there's a whole lot of in
between. M Yeah, sasquatches eat deer. Yes, squatches go after fish
or whatever. They go after anything, and all insects would be on the
menu, I think, including like the bigger critters that aren't insects necessarily,
like scorpions and whatnot, but still are creepy. Crawley's anything is on the
menu for a sasquatch when you're that big. I think, stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.
There was one more part that I wanted to tell you you guys too,
of what happened with the encounter. The next day, I had,
of course, some people that just didn't believe me. They like absolutely didn't
believe me. And there was a couple, guy and a girl that I
worked with at the time, and they're like, oh, come on,
that didn't happen. I said, listen, come over tonight. Let's see
if it happens again. Let's see if it happens. So they came over
the very next night, and it was just about twilight. They didn't have
a lot of time, you know, just about twilight dusk, you know,
dusk time. It was probably i want to say, like maybe eight
o'clock ish at that point. And sure enough, that howl happened again in
that same spot that was over there. They believed me at that point when
they heard that, you know, and it was it was the same same
howl again, you know, just something so strange you just couldn't could not
explain what it could have been. You know, what did they explain it
away? As they actually believed me at that point once they heard it.
They said, sasquatch. Oh yeah, they said, alive, no idea
what that was. You know, like the guy was a big hunter,
you know, an avid hunter and you know, has been in the woods
many times, and you know, we never couldn't explain the sound. I
mean, what could it be? I had, I had no idea.
I mean, it was I'm founding and I even found that Columbiana howl and
I remember just like listening to it probably ten times because I was just in
shock. But I mean the one that I heard was actually crisper and closer
and clearer. I mean, it was just it was wild and I was
I remember being shocked by seeing that it was from Columbiana County because you know,
that's right here, you know, we're right there, and it's like,
wow, that's that was just it was, it was. It was
really shocking to learn that. So I did you know? From that point
then, you know, like I researched a lot more and kind of got
into it. Now, my guard's always up whenever I go around looking,
you know, try to see if it'll happen again. But they haven't been
back since well that you know of to be fair well right correct, that
I know of exactly if you have, if you have one hundred acres,
they've probably been back. He just don't know that. Yeah, I mean
you know, and it's a good waterway, you know, like the forest
surrounds the waterway that goes through there too, so you know, there's fish,
there's all that, you know, and it's good. It's sort of
like a good avenue to secretly travel. Seriously, I mean to like either
you know central you know, central Ohio or you know even you know,
if you take a look on a map, you know, and you could
see there's a lot of forested area and that part of the world, you
know, why not, well, you know, for the sake of our
listeners right now, and we have permission from Moneymaker, by the way,
to do this, because Matt is the guy that recorded the Ohio Hew Mats
sage, we can use it in any way that we want it as long
as you know, he's totally to retain the rights to it, which of
course Matt does. But why don't we uh prove why don't we on the
final episode? Why don't we put the call in at this point so some
of our listeners who may not have heard the Ohio heal can kind of wrap
their ears around what Greg actually heard. Yeah, so, um, how
did both of these encounters end? I mean, um, you're there listening
one night or the next with your friends. Um, you just stayed up
until dawn or something or night that it happened. I stayed up as long
as it was happening. And I mean I we didn't have the good cell
phones and stuff, you know back then, you know, you know,
like really good iPhones that you would be able to go out there and like
try to record something. You know. I don't have any of that equipment.
I just stayed up. I think I ended up going about at like
five thirty or six o'clock in the morning, like once I was done researching,
Like what the heck am I hearing here? You know? But I
mean it lasted. It lasted for a good hour plus, you know,
maybe an hour twenty minutes. You know, this banter, these knocks,
this communication, these whooping sounds. Were the sounds going off into the distance
at any point or do they just stay in the same general zone. I
feel like they were communicating to each other. I think that they were just
there. They were sort of like stationary, like they didn't they did.
It didn't fade away, It didn't like taper off into the distance. They
were like having I mean, for lack of a better term, I don't
know, some sort of communication. Sure, And the next night that was
the same thing. Yeah, And then well the next day it only happened
once. The how only happened once, and the my guests that were over,
you know, they got freaked out and they stayed for about twenty more
minutes and then they left. But I was vigilant. I did try to
hear if you know, anything else was going to happen, and I did
not. And you saw nothing else out of place when you went out to
the location, except for the some of the bark had been removed from the
tree. That was that you know, that that was I mean, it's
it's a it's a weedy it was. It would have been very hard to
determine whether I was the one that made any of the disturbance in the forest
floor versus something else. You know, I couldn't. I wouldn't because I
had been traveling in there. You know. It's you know, probably going
in that spot every night, you know, for a couple hours a night.
You know, over there you kind of just do like a circle,
you know, like walk up, you know, see what you can get,
and then take care of the specimens and then go back and check it
again, like maybe in an hour or so, until it was time to
like call it quits for the night. And you have continued the same behavior,
like you've gone out painting the trees ever since this time as well.
Yeah, I have, I have. I don't do it as much now
here, but I do it in other locations, you know, I kind
of I kind of like for the sake of the moths, the populations that
we do have here. You know, you don't necessarily need to always go
out and collect and have multiple, multiple specimens. It's it's kind of unnecessary.
So you know, you let the population regenerate itself. It's the appropriate
thing to do. You don't want to overcollect in a certain area because it's
not it's not an ethical thing to do, you know. I mean,
you know, once once you have a representative of the specimen, or unless
somebody needs one, or you know, you get a request for one or
whatever. But do you ever just go paint trees because you want to look
out this like catch and release fishing, I just want to look at the
fish and I put it back, you know, not really, because if
I'm going to do it, I'm gonna do it right, So like I'll
hop in the car and drive out to Allegheny National Forest and do it,
you know, like just for some geographic very you know, you know,
to vary things up a little bit and you'll get different stuff, you know,
depending on what type of environment you're in. So you know, if
I if I go out and do it now, I'm going to you know,
make it a point where it's going to be worthwhile and try to get
someplace new and different. But um, and and then like I like to
skip a year in between painting anyway, Like I said, to let the
populations and you know some some of them are are out every two years.
You know, they're not out every year, so it'll kind of depend.
And then you know, weather plays a big part in it. Like this
year for example, you know, beginning of September, like immediately got cold.
It was just too cold, you know, so it wasn't worth doing.
But I mean I've never painted the trees with sasquash sat squatch in mind.
I think that would be an interesting experiment to do, you know.
Yeah, it's kind of what I'm taking away from this. It is like,
well, I wonder what I could paint on trees that might attract sasquatches
or their food items. And how do I I don't think where I live
there be any way to differentiate what comes in from a sasquatch to a bear.
You know, m Andre's probably some legal things go with them that would
be probably a little bit more of a concern, like with bear. But
I don't know. I mean, I've done it all over the country and
never ran into a bear. Yet ran into a sasquatch, but not a
bear. You know, you said that bartender woman she saw that one like
two and a half miles away. What exactly did she see? She saw
it walking on two feet. It was a silhouette on the side of the
road. With her flash like you know, like that she could discern that
something or someone was walking towards her and then it kind of hopped over the
ditch and went into the field and headed towards the woods. And she described
it in exactly, you know, like the traditional like the Patterson gimlin is
if that's correct. I don't I don't know if that's a correct term,
the famous the famous sasquatch video. That's what she said. It looked exactly
like and it was like a dark brown, reddish fur that was covering the
animal. Now mind you, I mean she didn't have she didn't have it
in her sights for like ten minutes or anything like that. But she was
one hundred percent convinced of what she saw and she had to put a flashlight
on it. So right, yeah, I mean she saw it clear enough,
like, and I mean she was horrified. She ended up running back
to her car, and she ended up calling her boyfriend to come and get
her because, like I said, I mean, where she got the flat
tire, it wasn't far from her from where she lived, so she didn't
need to like place a phone call. She was just going to walk a
hundred yards or something like that to her front door. And in that time
frame that she had that experience, and I mean she was horrified. I
mean, I which I could only imagine. You know, especially you're already
irritated that you're got a flat tire at three o'clock in the morning. You
know, after a so so so, now that you've heard sasquatches, you
realize that at least once or twice they run your property, probably a lot
more. Um your neighbors have seen one of the Has this changed anything for
you about how you interact I guess with the natural environment, like when you're
out in the woods, has the Have these um encounters modified your behavior in
anyway? Yeah, I mean it took a long cold winter to really get
over it. You know, like I said, it happened in September,
and um, it was it was quite the experience, you know. I
mean I go out now, I'm a lot more aware, you know,
I pay attention to things I wasn't. I mean, I'm not horrified of
it now. You know, I actually kind of find find it really fascinating
at this point. I don't think that it would have any kind of danger
you know, towards towards you or whatever. It's sort of really made it
interesting, like, Wow, this could really this is you know, this
is something that's completely unexplained and it's out there. You know, I mean,
when are we going to find it? You know, that's the only
thing. And yeah, I mean I guess like a lot more respect for
what could be out there, you know, around the corner taking a look
at you or and I would believe that they would sit there and probably observe
you. I mean, curiosity wise, why not so when you're out at
night with a big white sheet for example, with the vapor light and all
that jazz. Um diver sit around, do knocks and calls because now you
know there's something else you can attract. No, but I listen for them.
I mean, I wouldn't be like a lot of times I have to
go by myself, you know, and I don't want to get into put
myself into a situation that I might regret, you know, But I do
make We do make a lot of loud noises anyway, you know, especially
in bear country. You know, as you know, you know, it's
a good idea to call for bear and let them know that you're there.
And I haven't had anything respond except for a couple of owls. But um
yeah, now, I mean I think like I would, I would definitely
do it if I was, you know, not completely alone out there.
I go big footing Alan a fair amount, and when they're around, it
can be exhilarating if that's the right word. Downright scary actually makes me a
second second guess my my most of my life. Yeah, see, that's
what I would be afraid of. I'm like, oh man, you know,
like I really enjoyed doing this, and I don't want to. I
don't want to get freaked too freaked out by it, but yeah, I
would love to do it with a group of people. I think it would
be awesome. Where's a good group of people out there in Ohio? God's
yeah, most of the country probably. Then. You know you were talking
about before about the big trees and old growth marked they're worth through. Runs
the Ohio a big Foot conference as a BFR investigator guy for their one of
the main ones he's he's has a well, he has a website about the
biggest trees in Ohio. What's that one, Cliff, I think it's called
Big Trees Ohio. Yeah, Teshio. Yeah. He's constantly going and looking
at old growth and he's just documenting, like big old trees in Ohio.
And there's some monsters out there, I'll tell you, and Mark knows where
most of them are. He documents the species, he takes measurements, he
takes GPS coordinates, and I think I believe he reports the data to like
whatever the Forest services out in Ohio. I don't know what the I'm not
sure what the acronym would be, but I think he deals with them somehow.
Yeah, he's like legit gathering data kind of dude because he loves big
old trees and while he's out there, he's looking around for sasquatch stuff.
At the same time, there's an annual big Fight festival that happens in Leetonio,
Ohio. Really, yeah, they started doing it. I don't know
if it's been back since COVID happened. Probably I think it was. I
think it happened last year. And and that's not too far from here either,
but yeah, that the whole little town has like a big foot festival
there. Well, I am going to be out in Ohio twice this year
if you're interested in coming out once for the Ohio big Foot Conference, which
I believe is like the first week of first week of May. Yeah,
let me look at my calendar real fast. And that's in south Salt Fork
State Park if you want to come out and say hello there. I'm sure
the tickets are probably sold out by now, but you never know. Yeah,
that's on May sixth, if you want to come out there, that
Saltfork State Park, May six but the vendor area is free, so I'm
not sure how far of a drive that is if you want to just come
out and poke around the vendor area and say hi and see other footprint casts
and other things that people are doing. That's a nice avenue for you.
And then about a month or so later, I'm gonna be up in kind
of near Minerva, I guess is where it is for the small Town Monster
thing. What is that one called Monster Fest? Yeah, nervous closed,
my nervo is close here. Yeah, but that's gonna be a fantastic one.
That's gonna be on what is it June second, twenty twenty three and
June third as well. That's a Friday and Saturday. I'll be speaking,
and of course Lauren Coleman's going to be there, and Stan Gordon, a
bunch of good folks, Amy Boo is going to be there, Lyle Blackburn,
a lot of our good friends, Shannon LaGrow, a lot of people
have been on the podcast. They're gonna be out there, the entire small
Amount Small Town Monsters Folks Crew, you know, They've got a whole posse
of people. They're all going to be there. So that should be a
fun job as well. So there's a couple other big Foot events happening in
your neck of the woods. Yeah, you know, I realized after doing
a lot of research, just how many there are. You know, it
was a lot. There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. You
had to come out and check it out. Absolutely, I'd love to.
Yeah, well, I'll be there. Be sure to come out and introduce
yourself and be nice to meet you. Oh yeah, it'd be great.
I'd love to. I'd love to. Well, great, thank you so
much for coming on and telling the story for us. Two Ohio howls in
a row, two nights in a row, local sidings in the area of
an already known to be active area as well. I would encourage you to
get out in the woods, man, and not that you're not in the
woods now, but get out in the woods for sasquatch reasons too, because
you're the kind of person that can double dip, you know. I always
say the best way to look for sasquatches is to go to the woods for
another reason and then keep sasquatches on your mind, and maybe you'll run across
something and if you don't, well, you're still out there for another reason.
You can stop, you can have a good time. It'll be a
successful trip. You're a perfect candidate for that. I would have strongly encourage
you, especially with your biological background and interest in unknown species, start gathering
evidence and looking around and collecting some reports or doing something like that if you
have the time and gumption, and if you don't, well, just keep
Bigfoot on your brain when you're out there, but not too much, not
too much, but a little bit. Just be aware. So thank you
so much, Thank you guys so much. It's been an absolute pleasure.
And I do have to tell you that every time I'm out in the woods
from that time on, Bigfoot's always on my brain. So how could it
not be? Right? All right? Thanks Greg, I appreciate your own
up and tell us your story. Thank you so much. All right,
Bobo, why don't you close out the episode and we'll hang out with Greg
a little bit more for our members episode that'll be released a little bit later
in the week here for our listeners. And I think we're gonna try to
play that game with Greg where he tells us some ridiculous story about his brother
and then Bobo gives us some equally ridiculous story out of his archives. So
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