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Big food and be on with Cliff
and Bobo. These guys are your favorites,

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So like Shy, subscribe and read
it time starch meday, listening,

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watching, always, keep it squatching
and now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James

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bobbo Fay. Good morning, Bobo. How are you doing today? Oh?

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Good Cliff, how are you doing. I'm a little tired, but

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I'm doing all right. I'm a
little tired too, but um, yeah,

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I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay, just watching it snow again.

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Um, I don't know, Bob's
is it stone down there? Yeah,

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I'm not on the beach, but
it's it has been stone on the beach

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on and off a little bit.
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hundred foot elevation and there's from there
up there's tons of snow. Yeah.

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I'm at seven fifty myself, but
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I love I love it. I
love winter and all that other stuff.

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I'm gonna go to the shop today. Put a new display yesterday.

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Um featuring our good friend Laurie Joe
Hamilton, who we definitely need to get

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on the podcast because she's so wonderful. But she's also a little computer clunky,

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so I'm not sure how. I
don't think she has a computer,

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so that's gonna be problematic. I
probably have to go to her house or

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something. But um, you know
we have that nest from the Olympic Project,

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right, the nest replica. Yeah, so since they made the replica

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of the nest, and I have
a cool display about the nests and you

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know, showing pictures of the stones
that were beaning together and all that stuff.

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I took one of the walls in
that little cubby area and I'm devoting

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it to Laurie Laurie's work because if
people out there don't know who Lorie Joe

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Hamilton is, um, she's a
fantastic researcher and she's she's a long term

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witness. She saw a sasquatch when
she's like maybe seven or something and kept

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seeing the same sasquatch for fifty plus
years, which is interesting. Bobo yeah

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yeah, and she named it Bobo. Um, not after our friend Bobo

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here on the podcast, of course, but after that gorilla that was in

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that it was like in a mall
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Olympia Tacoma, somewhere in there.
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So yeah, and so when she
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it was the gorilla because it looked
like it, and so she's called it

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Bobo. But anyway, the reason
she's getting a whole panel display in the

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museum, of course, is because
she walks her dog pretty much every day.

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She's out in the woods walking around. Just heard her dog, Marley.

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Here's a shout out to Marley,
by the way, lovely brow.

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She's out with Marley every day pretty
much in the woods, and every once

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in a while she runs across sasquatch
prints. And she's got a really good

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eye because some of those prints that
she's pulled, they're hard to see.

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But if you have eyes to see
and you're around casts all the time,

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you can see clearly, oh yeah, that's a sasquatch print. That's amazing.

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But she sees these things in the
ground. And she has been pulling

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footprint casts from the area of the
Olympic Project nest site since twenty fifteen,

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and now the Olympic Project had no
idea she was in the area, and

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she's she's not on the private land, mind you, But she's like a

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couple of miles in every direction around
the private land that the Olympic Project has

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access to, and she's been pulling
footprints out of there since twenty fifteen,

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and they seem to be the same
animals that are still there. Now she's

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even pulled juvenile footprint and cass out
of the area. So the big question

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is what does that imply for the
Olympic Project nests, Like what kind of

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social behavior are we seeing? And
of course that's an open book. It's

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an open question. At this point. We don't know that, but it

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sure is neat to ask that question. And now she of course knows the

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Olympic Project guys, and she still
doesn't know where the nest site is,

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by the way, she don't She
still doesn't know. She obviously knows kind

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of where it is because that's where
she's pulling the cass, but for the

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most part, you know, she's
pretty oblivious to the whole thing, and

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so it's pretty neat. It's so
supporting evidence is really the theme of her

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display. And I just put that
up in the museum this week, and

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of course we put up a new
display cabinet last week. So there's a

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lot of new things going on at
the museum. If only it would stop

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snowing so people can come see it. So that's that's that's what's up with

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me? Bops. What's what's up
with you? Why are you so tired

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today? Oh? Last night someone
got into a high high speed chase with

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the cops. Drove out to the
beach out here and was driving to the

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sand dunes, driving up down the
beach, and then drove up in the

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town and build their car right around
here, and they're running around the neighborhood

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and client fences and they caught them
right in front of my house. Oh

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good, Sue had police activity all
night. Yeah. Well it is humble,

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man, it's a shady place where
you live sometimes. Oh, for

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sure, it's beautiful. A lot
of substance abuse, that's for sure.

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Yeah. Yeah, I mean I
remember every Obviously Humboldt's famous for like for

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weed essentially, but there's a lot
of other shady stuff going on there too,

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man. There's like tweakers and weirdos
and heroin probably, and I don't

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know, it's a shady spot,
man. People go there to kind of

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disappear. They even like abandoned their
names and take weird shady names like Bobo.

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Yeah. Yeah, a lot of
that Murder of Mountain and those other

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documentaries about what's going on with the
collapse of the legal marijuana market and just

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the collapse of the marijuana market,
like just top to bottom. It's kind

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of like West Virginia when the coal
mines closed, like math came in and

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there's a lot more crime. And
Humblet's pretty much always been the Wild West.

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Oh yeah, it's never not been
and it still is. Well,

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you know, there's a price you
pay for living anywhere. I suppose you

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know, And you have a beach
house in Humboldt, you know. And

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I love how people probably conjured this
amazing mansion that you live in the ramshackles

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like sloopy thing that is being eaten
by the sand dunes. That you actually

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do live in. That's a shack. It's a total shack. But like

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you probably ought not to live anywhere
else. It just fits you like a

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glove. Yeah, you've been there
a long time too, yeah, going

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on almost twenty years. Oh my
god, oh my gosh. Well very

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go So I'm sorry you're tired,
but hopefully our guest today it's going to

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perk you up a little bit.
Yeah, it's gonna be a good one.

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And I haven't heard the story.
You haven't heard the story. Matt

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Prude, our producer, is the
only person who has heard what's up with

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this gentleman? He reached out and
said, yeah, I've got an I

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got a story to tell. Matt
talked to him and he said, oh,

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this guy's gonna be great for the
podcast and invited him on. So

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I don't know much about him.
I don't know much about the gentleman in

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general. I don't know what's in
store for us. So I can't prep

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the audience or you bobo, but
why don't we jump in? So yeah,

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what I do know about this gentleman
is his name is Greg Stanko,

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and he is an amateur lepidopters,
which is a butterfly and moth nerd essentially.

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So that's what I know about him. And he probably ran into his

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ask watch at some point. So
Greg, are you there? I sure

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am. How are you guys doing
good? How are you doing great?

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Great? Thanks so much for joining
us and whatnot. So how did it

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come about that we're talking to you
right now before we find out who you

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are, Like, how did you
How did you end up here on Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo?
Yeah? Sure, So you know we

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all had coronavirus, you know that
we all went through. So I really

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kind of dive into a lot of
nature podcasts and stuff, and so I

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stumbled upon you your podcast, and
I got instantly hooked. And I listened

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to oh about fifteen of them,
and then I said, boy, you

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know what, I really need to
reach out to these guys because I got

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a pretty interesting story that I think
that they're going to find interesting and it

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might shed a little bit of light
on possibly different you know, different activities,

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different feeding forms, migration, who
knows. But you know, I

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figured, you know, you guys
have a great podcast, and I love

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that it's scientifically based, and I
just thought, you know, let me

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reach out and share my story with
you guys and see what you think.

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Well, I'm glad you got hooked
on the podcast. Was it the content

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or was it the charming personalities of
the hosts? Oh, I'd have to

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say both, don't you think Probably? I would probably hang up on you

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if he didn't. Yeah, neither, right. I always enjoyed both bose

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insanity that happens to him on a
regular basis. He reminds me a lot

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of my brother. I mean,
it's crazy, the strange stuff that happens

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to you, right, Yeah,
yeah, my brother just went to Australia

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and we actually had a the whole
family had like a bingo game that you

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know, like every tragedy or ill
fallen thing that somebody that could happen to

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him, we put a little mark
in a spot, you know, like

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catch yourself on fire, gets stolen, venomous snakes, you know, you

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name it. Well, you know, maybe for one of these uh,

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maybe for if we have a little
time, or maybe at the member section

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thing, you can we can do
that same sort of thing. You can

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tell us one story about your brother
and then Bobo will tell us his story

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about the exact same thing that inevitably
probably happened to him at some point in

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his life. Oh yeah, no
doubt, no doubt. Brown Recluse Fighters,

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you name it. Look at MC
battle something like that. Yeah,

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yeah, it's a it's an outragedy
each other battle. We can give that

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a shot after a little one.
Once we learttle bit more about what's going

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on here. So, so,
Greg, I introduce you as an amateur

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lepidopterist, But do you want to
tell us what you do for a living?

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And you absolutely do not have to. Yeah, sure. So I

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went to college for biology and my
field of study was entomology specifically, and

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you know, it's sort of like
a family hobby. You know, it

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runs in the genes. My brother, who is currently a scientist out in

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Montana and I we have just spent
our whole lives with a huge passion for

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insects and specifically lepidoptera, butterflies and
moths. So my field of work took

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me in a different direction, completely
not related to the sciences. But I

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do maintain relationships with several renowned institutions
in the East as well as a couple

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on the West coast, and we
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developing our own museum of American love
Adoptera, and the goal with that is

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to eventually you have a place where
everybody can come and see every species of

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butterfly and moth in the country and
then kind of take you on a world

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tour. So with that sort of
hobby and that sort of work. You

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know, I'm forty two years old
and we've spent our entire lives in the

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woods, in the wilderness studying these
things. We've traveled all across the country,

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all across the Caribbean, you name
it. Like I said, my

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brother was just in Australia, So
I mean we take it very very seriously.

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We have very highly documented scientific collections
and have been published multiple times because

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of our field work. So we
are no stranger to the wilderness and you

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know the wildlife and ecology that surrounds
you know, everything from the east to

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the west coast. And you've discovered
a species or two of butterfly or moth,

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is that correct? Yeah, we
did, and we're currently in the

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process of getting one DNA sequenced at
the moment, so we have hopeful,

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we have hopes for that. And
it's a pretty interesting moth. You know.

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It just goes to show that you
never know what you're going to find

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out there. I mean, this
thing is probably about an inch and a

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half and you know, like fluorescent
orange and it was flying during the day

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in a you know, in a
field outside of Butte, Montana. You

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know, something that should have been
discovered but just was never discovered. And

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it's always like the you know,
slim chance that here you are in the

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right time, in the right place, and you're going to come across something

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that nobody's ever found before, or
you know, you could prove the existence

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of an undescribed, unknown species that
did you see this sub fly flitting about

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Andy, so what is that?
And then manage to catch it? Or

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Yeah. We were on a collecting
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went all over Montana and we went
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Butte, Montana and west of Butte
there's some great forest. I mean that,

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you know, like the whole state
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that. So we were in a
riparian environment and it's sort of I'm sure

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you guys are familiar with what a
camas field is, Yeah, chemist late,

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it's a it's a plant they eat
the root. Yeah, swampy sort

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of plate thing. In the springtime, it just blooms with all those beautiful

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purple camus flowers. Well, I
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field, chasing a bunch of stuff
that we had been collecting all day and

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this moth just kind of appeared out
of nowhere, and it was going from

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flying during the day, and it
was going from one camus flower to the

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next, and I just thought,
huh, that looks very bizarre, and

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I elected it. It's a good
thing we collected it, because that's the

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one that turned out to be as
of right now unknown. Very cool.

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So it's your own little version,
your own version of cryptozoology, I guess,

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because that's exactly what it is,
discovering new species. Is that the

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only time that such an amazing event
like that has happened. Have you discovered

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other species of moths or butterflies?
Yeah? I discovered one in Idaho in

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nineteen ninety eight, again with my
brother. We went on a collecting trip

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out to the Sawteeth National Forest and
we are both freshly graduated from high school,

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eighteen years old. You know,
out there in the middle of a

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field with a generator and a four
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of nowhere, And that's basically how
you collect these things. And you have

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like a white sheet that you hang
between the trees at night. You set

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up this mercury vapor light and it
just attracts everything you know to your light

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that's probably within a up to a
half mile radius. And again, you

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know the same situation. You're out
there and you're just like, wait,

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this looks this is just something odd, looks. This looks very different,

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very weird. And so I ended
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nineteen ninety nine that that was an
undescribed species as well, and I donated

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it to a museum at the time. And you get the name these things,

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right, Well, you kind of
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you're all it depends. You know, you could offer a suggestion of a

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name, you don't get the name
because you're not the person who wrote the

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journal article. Well, I I
left that to the in that in that

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case, I left it to the
museum to go ahead and name the specimen.

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But yeah, you you the genus
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whatever genus that moll would or a
butterfly or insect or whatever falls into.

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How many are found? Are you? How many do you guys find a

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year like or they in North America? How many species would you say?

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Well, hardly any I mean it, I mean in the scientific community,

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it's not common to find new species
of macro Lepidoptera, which is anything that's

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let's let's just say, you know, for conversations sake, that that would

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be anything over like a half an
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it's pretty you have to be pretty
devoted and pretty um focused on trying to

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find something new because it's not a
it's not an event that commonly happens.

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But by any chance, were you
doing this sort of activity when you had

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the encounter with the potential sasquatch?
You bet, I was. Well,

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let's get into that then. Let
once you set up the board for us

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and tell us what you're doing and
where you were as much as you feel

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comfortable sharing. Um. I don't
know if if like if butterfly spots are

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like fishing spots where you don't want
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but um, yeah, set us
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you doing, who were you with, tell us the story, and then

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tell us what happened. I'm interested
in hearing what impressed Matt Pruit so much

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that we had to be on the
air. Yeah. Absolutely. So The

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date was September thirteenth, two thousand
and six. I know that for a

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fact because it was my birthday,
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year in August in September in the
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too, I'm not sure, but
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one family of moth that I was
specifically looking for, and the genus of

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the moth is Catacola, and these
Catacola mods or underwing moths, are these

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large, swift flying, extremely colorful
noctuid mods, and they're about three and

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a half inches anywhere anywhere from about
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There are a common genus here in
Ohio where I'm located. And the trick

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to these mods is that they're not
always commonly attracted to light, so it

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doesn't always benefit you to try to
set up a light trap in order to

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collect them. You will get some, but the preferred method of collecting them

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is a process called sugaring. Now, what you do with sugaring for moths

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is you take a concoction and every
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does it a little bit different.
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the best way to do it is
to have rum, brown sugar, bananas,

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molasses and beer couple for the moths
and then one for yourself. You

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know, yeah, it's gonna say
like after you're done drinking all that,

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then what do you do? So
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that together and it forms like this
really thick, syrupy, super super sweet

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alcoholic mixture which also you know,
I mean the beer and the rum makes

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it very potent smelling. And you
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brush and you go in the woods
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So you'll put like a twelve by
six in strip of this goop on the

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trunks of deciduous trees, and you
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bit and then you know, once
like the you know, evening breeze or

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whatever, you know, like there's
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you know, it kind of just
makes that scent travel and these mods

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are attracted to that mixture on the
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you can go back like a half
an hour later, like after you set

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up the set up the tree trunk, go back with a head lamp and

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you kind of like check you know
what's what's there, and you could get

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ten fifteen of these huge mods sitting
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do that in August and September,
and I always it's called baiting, and

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I always kind of like bait this
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I have a one hundred and forty
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old growth forest too, sort of
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we're like in Mahon and Columbiana County, just so you could have like a

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geographical bearing there. Yeah, of
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that's the same county that the Ohio
How was recorded in back in ninety four.

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Whenever Moneymaker got that, I think, yeah, it was. It

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definitely was, because that was one
of the things that freaked me out about

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what happened to me after when I
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so like you got any paint these
trees, and you know, you could

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kind of leave the mixture up there
for a couple of days, it doesn't

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it's absolutely like the word, the
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and I put out a fresh batch
and you know, i'd go out

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there and weather permitting, you know, I checked the check the traps and

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see what I can get. And
essentially, you know, like the mods

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land on the tree, they drink
the mixture, they get drunk. So

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all you do is you go up
with a collecting net and you just kind

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of like PLoP them in there.
And you know, they're really easy to

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collect that way. So I've been
noticing that we had prime weather conditions and

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warm nights and the wind was,
you know, great because you want a

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little bit of wind to spread that
scent around. And I'm not getting any

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months, you know, I mean, it's just something that doesn't happen.

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It should happen. So I noticed
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not there. And September thirteenth rolls
around. Like I said, it was

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my birthday. Now, mind you, we didn't I didn't do anything for

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my birthday, so we didn't like, there was no drinking, you know,

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we didn't go out partying or anything
like that, just kind of sit

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staying at home and watching television.
I got all the windows in the house

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open, and I heard the the
coyotes going off, you know, which

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I just love the sound of the
coyotes. I just I think it's eerie

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and creepy and just cool. So
I stepped outside my front door to go

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listen to the coyotes. And I
walked out there and I said, I

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stopped dead in my tracks. And
I'm like, what the heck is that?

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It was not a coyote sound like
at all? It was it was

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this insane, intense howling, you
know, like exactly exactly like that famous

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Columbiana call. And I mean,
I would try to reproduce it for you,

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but I don't. I don't think
I could even do it accurately.

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But I mean I stepped back and
I was like, holy crap, what

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the heck is that? You know? Stopped me dead in my tracks?

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Every every hair on my arm stood
up, the hairs on my back,

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the back of my neck stood up. I mean, it was it was

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quite daunting. What the heck could
that possibly be? So then I'm standing

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out there and I'm trying to figure
it out a little bit more. Now

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this sound is coming from the woods, which, oh man, let's say

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maybe a tenth of a mile from
where I'm standing so like you could walk

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there, you know, no problem. It's quite loud and quite jarring.

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horrifying. So, you know,
like I knew the exact area where this

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was. It was coming from where
I bait the mods, where I would

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go to you know, collect them. I would walk down there and go

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collect them at night. And this
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you know, give or take,
you know, twenty minutes or whatever.

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And so then I'm standing outside and
I'm hear this thing. How over there

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in the woods where I always go, and then across the way and closer

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to me, so like if you
stuck your right hand out straight out like

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so like that's where the response came
from. So that's that response came.

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And it was several whoops and then
a howl as well, And I said,

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what the heck is this? You
know? Of course, like I

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don't even know. I'm not educated
about bigfoot. I I'm not at this

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point in time. I just don't
have the knowledge of what people have experienced

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in the field, you know,
during these encounters. So bigfoot wasn't wasn't

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on the list. Of candidates.
At this point, It's just like,

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what the hell is that noise?
Yeah, it was like, what the

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hell is that noise? You know? And I'm like, well, I

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know it's not a red fox.
I know it's not an owl. I

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know it's not a screech owl.
I mean, I'm a you know,

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I mean, I'm a biologist.
You know, you know the sounds that

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are in nature. You're familiar with
that, you know, I mean,

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especially if you've been in wilderness locations, You're familiar with what you could come

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across. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be

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right back after these messages. So
then I'm still standing out there and then

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this weird experience is happening. And
then at the site where the moth bait

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is, I heard like somebody picked
up a baseball batman and just whack whack,

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whack whack on the tree trunks and
it was five consecutive knocks. And

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the other one across from me then
responded again with Knox and it was a

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I mean, it was wild.
So this back and forth communication went on

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for about an hour, and at
this point, I'm like, you know

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what this could this be a big
foot? You know? So, so

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that actually crossed that crossed your mind
while this was happening, It did,

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It crossed my my mind about twenty
minutes into it, like after I kind

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of like decided, I have no
idea what this was. I mean,

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what animal in nature, anywhere in
nature knocks? Well, what were your

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thoughts prior to this about sasquatches,
real animals, not your biologists, your

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trained biologists, I imagine you know
you probably thought the bigfoot thing was kind

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of nonsense? Or is that not
true? Were you Were you in the

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know at that time or not?
No? No, I never actually thought

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that it was nonsense. And it's
sort of like I didn't seem like I

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always give credit to you know,
there has to be something there. There's

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just too much evidence. There's too
many people that have seen this. I

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mean, this has been going on
for years and years and hundreds of years,

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you know. I mean people have
been reporting some sort of you know,

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simian creature in forests, you know, all throughout the United States,

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you know, Russia, all of
that. I mean, so I did

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know a little bit about it,
but I was not like an avid follower

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of what it could be Were you
aware that sasquatches were in a high of

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course, I've heard of the Ohio
grassman tails, you know, and that's

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not too far from here, you
know, I mean, like where I'm

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at, you know, you kind
of just head south and you're in rural

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country, you know. I mean, we have a pretty big acreage here,

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you know, there's enough for us
for something to travel through. I

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mean, I've had black bear sightings
here, which they're not supposed to be.

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Oh yeah, sure, Columbiana County
has a ton of stuff, as

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I We all know that now,
and certainly I'm positive you've done some reading

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about the subject since this event.
I was wondering at the time. Yeah,

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because Beaver Creek State Park. I've
heard them down there, and I

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barely ever go to Ohio. Yeah, that's that's not too far. I

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mean, that's that's probably about fifteen
to twenty minutes from from my location.

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So at this point, you're hearing
them knock, You're hearing them call back

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and forth, and you're and finally
you said of like, oh my god,

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is this a sasquatch? Are these
sasquatches that I'm listening to right now?

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Yeah, that's what I thought.
That's literally what I thought at that

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point. And you have to under
stand these woods, Okay, these are

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not easily travelable woods. You can't. I mean, I go in there

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because I'm familiar with the woods.
I mean, these woods are swampy,

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they're they're they're dirty, they're muddy. I mean, they're old. You

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know, they're not there's no trails, you know, even when you go

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like on game trails and stuff like
that. I mean, they're just they're

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they're really really difficult to navigate.
And why would you want to. I

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mean, the insects, you know, because it's swamp. I mean,

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we have a lot of swamp here. I mean, the mosquitoes are horrendous.

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It wouldn't have made sense that someone
a human was in two different locations

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in this area. It just could
not have been possible. Let alone,

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they would have had to have gone
through, like have access to my driveway

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in order to park their cars hop
in there and you know go. And

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also geographically, you know, there's
a river that separates you know, the

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areas from where I heard them to
you know, like, no humans going

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to be able to cross this river
at three o'clock in the morning, I

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mean, it just would not it
would just not make any sense to do

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that, you know, So I
couldn't wrap my mind around, like what

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could this have been? And I
remember that night after this happened, I

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like instantly hopped on my computer and
I'm like researching and all that stuff,

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and I put it on Facebook because
I wanted to document it in real time,

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right, you know, I wanted
you know, and I just said,

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you guys might not think I'm crazy, but here's what happened to me.

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And the strange thing too, is
I got a call the next day

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from my friend Mary Ellen. Now
this girl she doesn't live too far away

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from me, and she lives in
the in the country as well. And

407
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.720
I mean this this girl is a
hardcore. I mean she's she's a hardcore

408
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.240
girl. You know, she's a
bartender in a country bar. I mean,

409
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.960
she's like she's you don't mess with
her, you know. I mean,

410
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.839
she's this beautiful girl. She looks
like Anna Nicole Smith, right,

411
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.640
you know, just but she'll she'll
she'll kick the crap out of anybody.

412
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.400
She was driving home, like I
think it was twenty four hours later.

413
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:38.000
Forty eight hours later, she was
driving home from her bar shift and she

414
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:44.839
got a flat tire, and she
had a flashlight in her car, and

415
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.759
she wasn't too far from her house
and she was going to wake her boyfriend

416
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.839
up to you know, come like, hey, come, let's get the

417
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.039
tire change on the car. You
know. It's like three o'clock in the

418
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.640
morning again something like that. So
she goes and she's walking up the street

419
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.480
towards her house, down this like
kind of like gravelly country road, and

420
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:10.759
she's got a flashlight and she saw
someone walking on the side of the street,

421
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:12.920
you know, and she was like, who is that, Like,

422
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:17.240
who's going to be walking down the
side of the street at three o'clock in

423
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.160
the morning. And so she goes
and you know, now this person like

424
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:22.799
jumps in the field, you know, a little bit, and now they're

425
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.319
running through the field and she shines
her light on what she thought was a

426
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:32.359
person, and you know, sure
enough, she said, I swear to

427
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:36.960
God that it was the Bigfoot.
You know, she called and she told

428
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.519
me about it, because you know, I just posted that on social you

429
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:41.400
know, like, yeah, I
don't know, it was either twenty four

430
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.359
or forty eight hours earlier, and
I mean, like this isn't the kind

431
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.599
of girl that's going to make something
up, you know. I mean,

432
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.759
she was just freaked out by it. She needed to talk to somebody,

433
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:53.839
and she didn't know who to talk
to me, So she called me and

434
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.920
she told me about it. So
I thought that that was pretty interesting that

435
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.440
pass. You know, they were
migrating in that direction. Well let me

436
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.279
let me let me ask this because
you might have said this, but just

437
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.000
just just to clarify, how far
apart in time and space did these two

438
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.160
events happen? Okay, so the
time, the time would have been either

439
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.240
twenty four or forty eight hours later, okay, from from my experience.

440
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.039
And when we're talking about distance,
Okay, so like as the crow flies,

441
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.279
let's let's call it. Let's call
it two and a half miles,

442
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:32.440
like close enough where it could have
possibly been the same animal that just traveled

443
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.640
over you know, that that bit
of space there. And I mean,

444
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.839
I have every reason to believe her
she would not. For what reason would

445
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:41.799
she make it up? You know? I mean, it just wouldn't make

446
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:47.079
any sense that you would do that. Well yeah, yeah, And I

447
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:51.000
think the vast majority of people who
share their sasquash stories aren't lying or I

448
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:52.319
mean, they might be mistaken,
but I don't think. I just don't

449
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.640
think most people are liars like like
that. You know, I think you

450
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:57.880
have to have a pretty dis I
mean, I mind you, I'm a

451
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.160
kind of a pessimistic someone that comes
to the human species, but you have

452
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:05.799
to have an even more dismal perspective
on humans to think that everybody out there

453
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.440
is lying about this. Sure,
sure, absolutely well. The interesting thing

454
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:13.240
was, you know, like after
I had this experience, I mean,

455
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.880
I was hesitant to go back in
those woods, you know, but I

456
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.720
knew that I had to go there, and um, I called my uncle

457
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.400
up and I say, hey,
come on, we're gonna go look at

458
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:27.359
in these woods and see, you
know what we could find. And the

459
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:32.319
interesting thing about it was that it
looked as if, and what I think

460
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:39.599
was happening was that these creatures were
possibly eating those mods, feeding off of

461
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:45.119
those mods that were on the trunks
of those trees. I mean, why

462
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.759
not i'd that before? Really?
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think

463
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.799
that that's that had to I mean, because these are these are a large

464
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.640
fatty insect that are that are you
know right there, Just so you lock

465
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.960
it right, off. You know, I assume that the primate would have

466
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:08.400
to have pretty good nocturnal vision if
it's so often active at night, So

467
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.839
why why not? Why couldn't it? And plus it, you know,

468
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.880
the smell rotting fruit, you know, I mean, it attracts a lot

469
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.720
of a lot of animals, you
know. And it even looked like some

470
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.839
of the bark on the trees was
like disturbed, you know, like chipped

471
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.200
and and you know it could have
been peeling away maple bark that was covered

472
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.160
in sugar. Yeah, that's what
I That was my first go too.

473
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.279
I mean, sure they might be
eating the moths, but you actually found

474
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.319
physical evidence of them tearing some of
the bark away though. Yeah, yeah,

475
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:42.720
definitely that's what I thought. You
know, at the time, I

476
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.119
was like, well, you know, I'm very familiar with these trees.

477
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.799
I've painted the same trees for years. You do the same ones because you

478
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.160
want to thick tree that you could
recognize in the dark, you know what

479
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.960
I mean. So you're gonna like, I have my own game trail that

480
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.799
I made through the woods, and
yeah, you know, I mean at

481
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:02.200
the time, I wish I would
have thought about it. I wish I

482
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.240
would have thought a little bit clearly
more about Hey, look, let me

483
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:12.639
see if I could sample this or
look for some sort of you know,

484
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:19.639
hair follical or you know, any
sort of evidence that I could have saved.

485
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:24.840
But it just wasn't. I think
that it's way more mainstream now,

486
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:29.480
Like I mean, I would immediately
think to do something like that, you

487
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:35.800
know, if I ever came across
something that I couldn't rationalize. But well,

488
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.039
you know, your story reminds me
of two other things I've heard or

489
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.400
seen myself. Actually in one case, one of them is I think,

490
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.920
God, I think Dennis full who
has been a guest on the program here,

491
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.840
I think he's the one who told
me about a situation in Colorado,

492
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.599
a long term witness situation in Colorado, and a lot of footprint cast,

493
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.039
like dozens of footprint casts came out
of this event. By the way,

494
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.639
this situation in what Dennis's shared.
We gotta get Dennis back on the program

495
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.719
to talk about this one too sometime, I think. But I guess the

496
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.440
first time that the family who lived
at this location saw the Sasquatch, it

497
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.920
was the little girl. I want
she's about six or something. I don't

498
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.119
know. My numbers are going to
be fuzzy because it's Dennis's situation and he

499
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.440
just told me about it, you
know, a decade ago or something.

500
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.920
But from what I recall, a
young girl, probably around six or something,

501
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.079
came around the corner on some trail
on the property and came basically face

502
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.400
with a sasquatch. But what it
was doing is that there was a log

503
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.400
pile at this particular place in the
trail, and of course she didn't see

504
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.239
it. There's some turn in the
trail or something that prohibited her from saying

505
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.199
the animal before she was upon it
practically, But when she came around the

506
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.760
corner, she was pretty much face
to face with a sasquatch, and there

507
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:47.079
was a log like a tree trunk
sticking out of this log pile, you

508
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.360
know, and there was sap on
the end of the log where it had

509
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.400
been cut, and the sasquatch was
licking the sap off of the tree.

510
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.599
I don't know what kind of tree
that would be really interesting and valuable information

511
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.119
to have, but the sasqua which
is apparently licking the sap as it was

512
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.320
oozing out of the tree, which
makes a lot of sense. I think

513
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.960
it loves high sugar content for a
lot of these trees and their sap and

514
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:12.320
whatever. And then of course she
they came face to face and they both

515
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.679
got scared and they both ran opposite
directions. Very Frankenstein like moment, you

516
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:20.000
know. But another situation, and
Bobo was there for this one. But

517
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.920
we'd remember doing the Finding Bigfoot episode
in The Cat's Skills at the location of

518
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:29.199
the New York baby footage. Yeah, it was. It was sloppy and

519
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.679
rainy. It was a torrential downpour. And what did we find, Like,

520
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.800
we got knox, of course,
we got knox at nights and when

521
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.639
we follow the Knox into the tree
line, and what we found and this

522
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:45.199
isn't directly you know, moths or
butterfly related, of course, but hundreds

523
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:52.119
and I mean I dare say thousands
of earthworms that had basically been drowned under

524
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.440
you know how earthworms like when it
rains really hard in the ground becomes saturated,

525
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.519
they come to the surface in desperate
need of oxygen, you know,

526
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.519
because they're drowning underground there. And
there were literally thousands. I think I

527
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.199
don't think I think, I don't
think I'm exaggerating at all. Thousands of

528
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.519
earthworms headed surfaced, and that's in
the exact area where we're getting the knocks

529
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.760
from. So I think it's a
very safe bet that insects are on the

530
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.719
menu for sasquatches. So moths,
why not. I mean, moths are

531
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.880
probably like bond bonds or beautiful little
candies for them, you know, little

532
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.800
packets of calories. In my behind
the scenes right up in my cliffs notes,

533
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.559
if you will, for that episode, I actually did some calculations about

534
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.199
how many calories would be available per
square foot or yard or something, and

535
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:37.119
it was it was considerable. You
know, assuming sasquatches need about five thousand

536
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.599
calories a day or so, which
seems like a pretty safe number. I

537
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:44.719
think, um, they could easily
get that and just then a couple hours

538
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.280
of foraging just from earthworms if they're
not looking for a balanced diet. So

539
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:53.239
remember that up I was at lake
up their Mono lake. Yeah, the

540
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:58.000
Mono Lake footage. Oh yeah,
Mono Lake footage, which is really interesting.

541
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.239
You want to go you want to
talk more about that bobo. Well

542
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.519
it was it was termise that was
a termis or moss no no, um

543
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.119
in that case, Uh, what
was happening is that Mono Lake is a

544
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:13.239
kind of a brackish, salty sort
of place, and the shorelines swarm with

545
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.760
brine shrimp and fly and flies too. That's right. Yeah, I was

546
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:23.480
there collecting, actually in Mono Lake. Yeah. Did you know there was

547
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.119
a sasquat a piece of sasquat' footage
from that lake. I was not aware

548
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.320
of it at the time, but
I found out about it when I came

549
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.079
back because I was obsessed with Mono
Lake. I just thought it was one

550
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.119
of the most beautiful places I've ever
been. And I did end up finding

551
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.679
it after I was there, and
I was I was kind of glad that

552
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.199
I found it after we were there, you know, because we were in

553
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:49.000
the again, you know, on
the other side of Mono Lake, in

554
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.639
the National forest over there, you
know, middle of nowhere, you know,

555
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.639
setting up in the dark all night
long collecting, you know, and

556
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.280
uh yeah, I mean it was
an incredible place. Wee. One more

557
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:05.280
thing about you know, the moths
on the trees too. You know,

558
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:12.920
grizzly bears and black bears have been
known to forage for hibernating moths and I

559
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.760
and that happens in your neck of
the woods. A lot too. I

560
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.719
mean they're they're just a high source
of fat in protein. What do they

561
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.320
gather up like a like a little
flock or something that when they hybernate,

562
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:29.360
they'll go like a rocky mountain side
and they'll just start like flipping over rocks,

563
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.880
you know, and they'll look for
the moths that are hibernating there.

564
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.199
And that family and mods would be
the same family that I was attempting to

565
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.440
collect here, you know, you
know, not the same genus. But

566
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.400
you know, when we say family, I'm referring to the family noctuity.

567
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.639
And they are a fatty, little
plump moth, you know, kind of

568
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.880
like your common chubby moth that would
come to you know, any light,

569
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.719
any pat do you light that you
see are like a garden pest, you

570
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:07.000
know, those sorts of mods.
So they got a real robust body on

571
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.199
them. And those the bears they
do, they scavenge for them, They

572
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.079
look for them, and they sit
there and they eat the moths on the

573
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.840
you know, wherever they can find
them, wherever they're hibernating. App makes

574
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:24.159
sense. I just did a brief
search here. Moth larvas or larvae provide

575
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:29.760
about two hundred and sixty five calories
per one hundred grams. They are sixty

576
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:34.159
three percent protein and fifteen percent fat
with only about four percent water. Program

577
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.039
These are good if you want to
get into bodybuilding on a budget. Oh

578
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:43.599
there you go, there you go. All right, it's gonna stop.

579
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.480
I'm gonna stop any working out right
now and just go eat moths and see

580
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.000
what I can do. But yeah, for verse sasquatch, that totally makes

581
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.800
sense. I think that a lot
of times humans. It's another human predicament

582
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.280
where we like this or that and
don't realize there's a whole lot of in

583
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.920
between. M Yeah, sasquatches eat
deer. Yes, squatches go after fish

584
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.719
or whatever. They go after anything, and all insects would be on the

585
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.639
menu, I think, including like
the bigger critters that aren't insects necessarily,

586
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.480
like scorpions and whatnot, but still
are creepy. Crawley's anything is on the

587
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.239
menu for a sasquatch when you're that
big. I think, stay tuned for

588
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.840
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages.

589
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.800
There was one more part that I
wanted to tell you you guys too,

590
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:36.719
of what happened with the encounter.
The next day, I had,

591
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.079
of course, some people that just
didn't believe me. They like absolutely didn't

592
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:47.199
believe me. And there was a
couple, guy and a girl that I

593
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.960
worked with at the time, and
they're like, oh, come on,

594
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.599
that didn't happen. I said,
listen, come over tonight. Let's see

595
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.719
if it happens again. Let's see
if it happens. So they came over

596
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.440
the very next night, and it
was just about twilight. They didn't have

597
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.400
a lot of time, you know, just about twilight dusk, you know,

598
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:13.000
dusk time. It was probably i
want to say, like maybe eight

599
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:19.800
o'clock ish at that point. And
sure enough, that howl happened again in

600
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:24.000
that same spot that was over there. They believed me at that point when

601
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.800
they heard that, you know,
and it was it was the same same

602
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.440
howl again, you know, just
something so strange you just couldn't could not

603
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.840
explain what it could have been.
You know, what did they explain it

604
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.239
away? As they actually believed me
at that point once they heard it.

605
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.239
They said, sasquatch. Oh yeah, they said, alive, no idea

606
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:46.599
what that was. You know,
like the guy was a big hunter,

607
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.320
you know, an avid hunter and
you know, has been in the woods

608
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.079
many times, and you know,
we never couldn't explain the sound. I

609
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.039
mean, what could it be?
I had, I had no idea.

610
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:05.400
I mean, it was I'm founding
and I even found that Columbiana howl and

611
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:12.559
I remember just like listening to it
probably ten times because I was just in

612
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:17.599
shock. But I mean the one
that I heard was actually crisper and closer

613
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.320
and clearer. I mean, it
was just it was wild and I was

614
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:29.920
I remember being shocked by seeing that
it was from Columbiana County because you know,

615
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:31.679
that's right here, you know,
we're right there, and it's like,

616
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:36.320
wow, that's that was just it
was, it was. It was

617
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.760
really shocking to learn that. So
I did you know? From that point

618
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.840
then, you know, like I
researched a lot more and kind of got

619
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.199
into it. Now, my guard's
always up whenever I go around looking,

620
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:52.199
you know, try to see if
it'll happen again. But they haven't been

621
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.159
back since well that you know of
to be fair well right correct, that

622
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:59.159
I know of exactly if you have, if you have one hundred acres,

623
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:00.840
they've probably been back. He just
don't know that. Yeah, I mean

624
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.000
you know, and it's a good
waterway, you know, like the forest

625
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.599
surrounds the waterway that goes through there
too, so you know, there's fish,

626
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:10.920
there's all that, you know,
and it's good. It's sort of

627
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:16.039
like a good avenue to secretly travel. Seriously, I mean to like either

628
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:23.599
you know central you know, central
Ohio or you know even you know,

629
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.159
if you take a look on a
map, you know, and you could

630
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.320
see there's a lot of forested area
and that part of the world, you

631
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:31.559
know, why not, well,
you know, for the sake of our

632
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:36.039
listeners right now, and we have
permission from Moneymaker, by the way,

633
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.039
to do this, because Matt is
the guy that recorded the Ohio Hew Mats

634
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.159
sage, we can use it in
any way that we want it as long

635
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.239
as you know, he's totally to
retain the rights to it, which of

636
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.079
course Matt does. But why don't
we uh prove why don't we on the

637
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.599
final episode? Why don't we put
the call in at this point so some

638
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.960
of our listeners who may not have
heard the Ohio heal can kind of wrap

639
00:44:54.039 --> 00:45:35.039
their ears around what Greg actually heard. Yeah, so, um, how

640
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.679
did both of these encounters end?
I mean, um, you're there listening

641
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:43.039
one night or the next with your
friends. Um, you just stayed up

642
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:49.079
until dawn or something or night that
it happened. I stayed up as long

643
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.679
as it was happening. And I
mean I we didn't have the good cell

644
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.119
phones and stuff, you know back
then, you know, you know,

645
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.840
like really good iPhones that you would
be able to go out there and like

646
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.679
try to record something. You know. I don't have any of that equipment.

647
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.440
I just stayed up. I think
I ended up going about at like

648
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.880
five thirty or six o'clock in the
morning, like once I was done researching,

649
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.400
Like what the heck am I hearing
here? You know? But I

650
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.000
mean it lasted. It lasted for
a good hour plus, you know,

651
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.519
maybe an hour twenty minutes. You
know, this banter, these knocks,

652
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:25.199
this communication, these whooping sounds.
Were the sounds going off into the distance

653
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.440
at any point or do they just
stay in the same general zone. I

654
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.840
feel like they were communicating to each
other. I think that they were just

655
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.679
there. They were sort of like
stationary, like they didn't they did.

656
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.559
It didn't fade away, It didn't
like taper off into the distance. They

657
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.960
were like having I mean, for
lack of a better term, I don't

658
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.599
know, some sort of communication.
Sure, And the next night that was

659
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.360
the same thing. Yeah, And
then well the next day it only happened

660
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:59.519
once. The how only happened once, and the my guests that were over,

661
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.519
you know, they got freaked out
and they stayed for about twenty more

662
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.440
minutes and then they left. But
I was vigilant. I did try to

663
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.880
hear if you know, anything else
was going to happen, and I did

664
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.639
not. And you saw nothing else
out of place when you went out to

665
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.400
the location, except for the some
of the bark had been removed from the

666
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.480
tree. That was that you know, that that was I mean, it's

667
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.559
it's a it's a weedy it was. It would have been very hard to

668
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:29.119
determine whether I was the one that
made any of the disturbance in the forest

669
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:34.639
floor versus something else. You know, I couldn't. I wouldn't because I

670
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.559
had been traveling in there. You
know. It's you know, probably going

671
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.480
in that spot every night, you
know, for a couple hours a night.

672
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.000
You know, over there you kind
of just do like a circle,

673
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.119
you know, like walk up,
you know, see what you can get,

674
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:50.840
and then take care of the specimens
and then go back and check it

675
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.119
again, like maybe in an hour
or so, until it was time to

676
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.559
like call it quits for the night. And you have continued the same behavior,

677
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:00.159
like you've gone out painting the trees
ever since this time as well.

678
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.360
Yeah, I have, I have. I don't do it as much now

679
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.519
here, but I do it in
other locations, you know, I kind

680
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.840
of I kind of like for the
sake of the moths, the populations that

681
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.800
we do have here. You know, you don't necessarily need to always go

682
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.360
out and collect and have multiple,
multiple specimens. It's it's kind of unnecessary.

683
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:28.280
So you know, you let the
population regenerate itself. It's the appropriate

684
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.239
thing to do. You don't want
to overcollect in a certain area because it's

685
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:36.039
not it's not an ethical thing to
do, you know. I mean,

686
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:40.119
you know, once once you have
a representative of the specimen, or unless

687
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.639
somebody needs one, or you know, you get a request for one or

688
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.800
whatever. But do you ever just
go paint trees because you want to look

689
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.840
out this like catch and release fishing, I just want to look at the

690
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.519
fish and I put it back,
you know, not really, because if

691
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.320
I'm going to do it, I'm
gonna do it right, So like I'll

692
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.480
hop in the car and drive out
to Allegheny National Forest and do it,

693
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.760
you know, like just for some
geographic very you know, you know,

694
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:05.760
to vary things up a little bit
and you'll get different stuff, you know,

695
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:08.840
depending on what type of environment you're
in. So you know, if

696
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.159
I if I go out and do
it now, I'm going to you know,

697
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.559
make it a point where it's going
to be worthwhile and try to get

698
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.599
someplace new and different. But um, and and then like I like to

699
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.599
skip a year in between painting anyway, Like I said, to let the

700
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.559
populations and you know some some of
them are are out every two years.

701
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.559
You know, they're not out every
year, so it'll kind of depend.

702
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.719
And then you know, weather plays
a big part in it. Like this

703
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.559
year for example, you know,
beginning of September, like immediately got cold.

704
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.559
It was just too cold, you
know, so it wasn't worth doing.

705
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:45.440
But I mean I've never painted the
trees with sasquash sat squatch in mind.

706
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:52.480
I think that would be an interesting
experiment to do, you know.

707
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:53.679
Yeah, it's kind of what I'm
taking away from this. It is like,

708
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.280
well, I wonder what I could
paint on trees that might attract sasquatches

709
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.519
or their food items. And how
do I I don't think where I live

710
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:06.519
there be any way to differentiate what
comes in from a sasquatch to a bear.

711
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.559
You know, m Andre's probably some
legal things go with them that would

712
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.920
be probably a little bit more of
a concern, like with bear. But

713
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.480
I don't know. I mean,
I've done it all over the country and

714
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.199
never ran into a bear. Yet
ran into a sasquatch, but not a

715
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:27.440
bear. You know, you said
that bartender woman she saw that one like

716
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.440
two and a half miles away.
What exactly did she see? She saw

717
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.960
it walking on two feet. It
was a silhouette on the side of the

718
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.039
road. With her flash like you
know, like that she could discern that

719
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:44.239
something or someone was walking towards her
and then it kind of hopped over the

720
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:49.559
ditch and went into the field and
headed towards the woods. And she described

721
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:55.519
it in exactly, you know,
like the traditional like the Patterson gimlin is

722
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.360
if that's correct. I don't I
don't know if that's a correct term,

723
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.639
the famous the famous sasquatch video.
That's what she said. It looked exactly

724
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:09.760
like and it was like a dark
brown, reddish fur that was covering the

725
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:13.519
animal. Now mind you, I
mean she didn't have she didn't have it

726
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.440
in her sights for like ten minutes
or anything like that. But she was

727
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.840
one hundred percent convinced of what she
saw and she had to put a flashlight

728
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.800
on it. So right, yeah, I mean she saw it clear enough,

729
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.320
like, and I mean she was
horrified. She ended up running back

730
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.239
to her car, and she ended
up calling her boyfriend to come and get

731
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:31.760
her because, like I said,
I mean, where she got the flat

732
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:36.519
tire, it wasn't far from her
from where she lived, so she didn't

733
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.199
need to like place a phone call. She was just going to walk a

734
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.639
hundred yards or something like that to
her front door. And in that time

735
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:49.559
frame that she had that experience,
and I mean she was horrified. I

736
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.360
mean, I which I could only
imagine. You know, especially you're already

737
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:58.920
irritated that you're got a flat tire
at three o'clock in the morning. You

738
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:05.679
know, after a so so so, now that you've heard sasquatches, you

739
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.400
realize that at least once or twice
they run your property, probably a lot

740
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.639
more. Um your neighbors have seen
one of the Has this changed anything for

741
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.559
you about how you interact I guess
with the natural environment, like when you're

742
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.880
out in the woods, has the
Have these um encounters modified your behavior in

743
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:29.280
anyway? Yeah, I mean it
took a long cold winter to really get

744
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.280
over it. You know, like
I said, it happened in September,

745
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:36.840
and um, it was it was
quite the experience, you know. I

746
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.480
mean I go out now, I'm
a lot more aware, you know,

747
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:44.840
I pay attention to things I wasn't. I mean, I'm not horrified of

748
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:49.400
it now. You know, I
actually kind of find find it really fascinating

749
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.920
at this point. I don't think
that it would have any kind of danger

750
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:59.239
you know, towards towards you or
whatever. It's sort of really made it

751
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.679
interesting, like, Wow, this
could really this is you know, this

752
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.639
is something that's completely unexplained and it's
out there. You know, I mean,

753
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:07.599
when are we going to find it? You know, that's the only

754
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:13.519
thing. And yeah, I mean
I guess like a lot more respect for

755
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.400
what could be out there, you
know, around the corner taking a look

756
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:21.639
at you or and I would believe
that they would sit there and probably observe

757
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:25.159
you. I mean, curiosity wise, why not so when you're out at

758
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.960
night with a big white sheet for
example, with the vapor light and all

759
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.559
that jazz. Um diver sit around, do knocks and calls because now you

760
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.880
know there's something else you can attract. No, but I listen for them.

761
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.280
I mean, I wouldn't be like
a lot of times I have to

762
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:45.559
go by myself, you know,
and I don't want to get into put

763
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.840
myself into a situation that I might
regret, you know, But I do

764
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.880
make We do make a lot of
loud noises anyway, you know, especially

765
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.519
in bear country. You know,
as you know, you know, it's

766
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.320
a good idea to call for bear
and let them know that you're there.

767
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:06.280
And I haven't had anything respond except
for a couple of owls. But um

768
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.039
yeah, now, I mean I
think like I would, I would definitely

769
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:15.519
do it if I was, you
know, not completely alone out there.

770
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.119
I go big footing Alan a fair
amount, and when they're around, it

771
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:27.880
can be exhilarating if that's the right
word. Downright scary actually makes me a

772
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.440
second second guess my my most of
my life. Yeah, see, that's

773
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.280
what I would be afraid of.
I'm like, oh man, you know,

774
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:36.320
like I really enjoyed doing this,
and I don't want to. I

775
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.599
don't want to get freaked too freaked
out by it, but yeah, I

776
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.920
would love to do it with a
group of people. I think it would

777
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.280
be awesome. Where's a good group
of people out there in Ohio? God's

778
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.639
yeah, most of the country probably. Then. You know you were talking

779
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.880
about before about the big trees and
old growth marked they're worth through. Runs

780
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:57.760
the Ohio a big Foot conference as
a BFR investigator guy for their one of

781
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.039
the main ones he's he's has a
well, he has a website about the

782
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.920
biggest trees in Ohio. What's that
one, Cliff, I think it's called

783
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.360
Big Trees Ohio. Yeah, Teshio. Yeah. He's constantly going and looking

784
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.880
at old growth and he's just documenting, like big old trees in Ohio.

785
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.360
And there's some monsters out there,
I'll tell you, and Mark knows where

786
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.119
most of them are. He documents
the species, he takes measurements, he

787
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.599
takes GPS coordinates, and I think
I believe he reports the data to like

788
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.199
whatever the Forest services out in Ohio. I don't know what the I'm not

789
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.559
sure what the acronym would be,
but I think he deals with them somehow.

790
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:37.119
Yeah, he's like legit gathering data
kind of dude because he loves big

791
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.400
old trees and while he's out there, he's looking around for sasquatch stuff.

792
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:45.800
At the same time, there's an
annual big Fight festival that happens in Leetonio,

793
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:50.320
Ohio. Really, yeah, they
started doing it. I don't know

794
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.880
if it's been back since COVID happened. Probably I think it was. I

795
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:59.800
think it happened last year. And
and that's not too far from here either,

796
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.960
but yeah, that the whole little
town has like a big foot festival

797
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.519
there. Well, I am going
to be out in Ohio twice this year

798
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:13.079
if you're interested in coming out once
for the Ohio big Foot Conference, which

799
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.159
I believe is like the first week
of first week of May. Yeah,

800
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:21.920
let me look at my calendar real
fast. And that's in south Salt Fork

801
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.840
State Park if you want to come
out and say hello there. I'm sure

802
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.559
the tickets are probably sold out by
now, but you never know. Yeah,

803
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.480
that's on May sixth, if you
want to come out there, that

804
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:37.079
Saltfork State Park, May six but
the vendor area is free, so I'm

805
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:38.079
not sure how far of a drive
that is if you want to just come

806
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.960
out and poke around the vendor area
and say hi and see other footprint casts

807
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.400
and other things that people are doing. That's a nice avenue for you.

808
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:51.039
And then about a month or so
later, I'm gonna be up in kind

809
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.280
of near Minerva, I guess is
where it is for the small Town Monster

810
00:56:54.480 --> 00:57:00.039
thing. What is that one called
Monster Fest? Yeah, nervous closed,

811
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.320
my nervo is close here. Yeah, but that's gonna be a fantastic one.

812
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.480
That's gonna be on what is it
June second, twenty twenty three and

813
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June third as well. That's a
Friday and Saturday. I'll be speaking,

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and of course Lauren Coleman's going to
be there, and Stan Gordon, a

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bunch of good folks, Amy Boo
is going to be there, Lyle Blackburn,

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00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.400
a lot of our good friends,
Shannon LaGrow, a lot of people

817
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have been on the podcast. They're
gonna be out there, the entire small

818
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:25.039
Amount Small Town Monsters Folks Crew,
you know, They've got a whole posse

819
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of people. They're all going to
be there. So that should be a

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fun job as well. So there's
a couple other big Foot events happening in

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your neck of the woods. Yeah, you know, I realized after doing

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a lot of research, just how
many there are. You know, it

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was a lot. There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. You

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had to come out and check it
out. Absolutely, I'd love to.

825
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:46.559
Yeah, well, I'll be there. Be sure to come out and introduce

826
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yourself and be nice to meet you. Oh yeah, it'd be great.

827
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I'd love to. I'd love to. Well, great, thank you so

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much for coming on and telling the
story for us. Two Ohio howls in

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a row, two nights in a
row, local sidings in the area of

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an already known to be active area
as well. I would encourage you to

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get out in the woods, man, and not that you're not in the

832
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.440
woods now, but get out in
the woods for sasquatch reasons too, because

833
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:13.199
you're the kind of person that can
double dip, you know. I always

834
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.519
say the best way to look for
sasquatches is to go to the woods for

835
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:20.159
another reason and then keep sasquatches on
your mind, and maybe you'll run across

836
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.239
something and if you don't, well, you're still out there for another reason.

837
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:22.960
You can stop, you can have
a good time. It'll be a

838
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.519
successful trip. You're a perfect candidate
for that. I would have strongly encourage

839
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you, especially with your biological background
and interest in unknown species, start gathering

840
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.559
evidence and looking around and collecting some
reports or doing something like that if you

841
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.880
have the time and gumption, and
if you don't, well, just keep

842
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.119
Bigfoot on your brain when you're out
there, but not too much, not

843
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.960
too much, but a little bit. Just be aware. So thank you

844
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so much, Thank you guys so
much. It's been an absolute pleasure.

845
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And I do have to tell you
that every time I'm out in the woods

846
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.719
from that time on, Bigfoot's always
on my brain. So how could it

847
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.199
not be? Right? All right? Thanks Greg, I appreciate your own

848
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.440
up and tell us your story.
Thank you so much. All right,

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00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.960
Bobo, why don't you close out
the episode and we'll hang out with Greg

850
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.719
a little bit more for our members
episode that'll be released a little bit later

851
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.920
in the week here for our listeners. And I think we're gonna try to

852
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.039
play that game with Greg where he
tells us some ridiculous story about his brother

853
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.360
and then Bobo gives us some equally
ridiculous story out of his archives. So

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00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:23.239
we'll probably do that in the member
section it should be a lot of fun

855
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.679
and I hope if you want to
become a member of big Foot and Beyond,

856
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.360
you can either go to Bigfoot and
Beyond podcast dot com and then follow

857
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.480
the links there for membership, or
go straight to patreon dot com slash Bigfoot

858
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.440
and Beyond Podcasts and learn about it
there. Thank you very much for all

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00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.719
your support. Bobo take us out
of here, all right, folks,

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00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.480
Thanks for tuning in and joining us
once again. Thanks to Greg for coming

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00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:49.679
on, and you can hear some
more on the beyond big Foot and Beyond

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Cliff and Bobo. All right,
So until next week, y'all, keep

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00:59:52.159 --> 01:00:01.199
it squatchy. Thanks for listening to
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01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:05.800
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