Hey, everybody, Jason Burmis here and for the next hour or so,
we're gonna have a really interesting program. If you caught my coverage of world
Coin and Sam Altman and the ORB, I could not help but equate the
ORB to the Lochnar, the orb of evil. And there it is right
there. I'm gonna put myself behind it. You're watching heavy metal and although
in reality it resembles more like the phantasm murder Orb, the Lochnar is the
orb of evil. It is the eternal darkness that surrounds us. And it
just made me think of this film so many ways over because it starts off
really interestingly where basically you're on this journey to Earth with a space man you
know, this is nineteen eighty two, and you get down and immediately murder,
imediately murder. This is a cartoon. You're kind of like, WHOA,
what is going on here? This is before the time of anime,
and then it reveals to you that it is literally the eternal evil that influences
the universe and the darkness you can't get rid of. So to me,
a device that literally takes your biometric information in order to give you a universal
basic income and one day hopefully ensure the democratic process is that orb of evil.
I thought to myself, who can I break this down with? Jay
Dyer? Jay Dyer loves his movies, loves his pop culture, loves his
religious overtones, and he is the first person I thought of when I thought
about this comparison. Jay, Thank you so much for joining us. Myself,
my first experience with heavy metal was probably way too young. I was
about nine or ten years old. Downstairs from us my aunt and her husband
lived and he had some bootleg VHS copy. I was probably nine or ten
years old. Now, obviously I am not going out and telling my audience
to go show this film to a nine or ten year old. It is
extremely sexually explicit, a lot of drug over and undertones as well, But
at the end of the day, it is this kind of multiple allegory story
for good and evil, and you know, it stuck with me my entire
life. It got parodied later by South Park. It is part of I
think the underground cultural zeitgeist. If you will, When did you first see
it and what were your first like initial you know, responses to it?
Yeah, I saw it in high school and I'm glad that you picked this
because it's really an overlooked kind of niche genius in a way. Genre people
have forgotten about these eighties nineties era. You know sci fi, fantasy,
you know cartoon movies that came out. There was quite a few of these.
There's Gone to Horror, Fire and Ice, Forbidden Planet, heavy Metal,
And actually I grew up in high school with my best buddy, who
was a big comic book dude. He ended up becoming an actual professional comic
book artist, so actually he was a metal head. He was a comic
book dude. So I grew up watching all of these movies. We go
over to his house. I remember being bombed out of my mind smoking weed
watching Heavy Metal in high school, probably ninth grade. I don't I don't
remember anything about I mean, I remember sequences, I remember John Candy doing
the voices. I remember different you know, the robot scene, the robot
sex scene. I remember the chick taking a nude bath. But I had
no idea like the meaning, the significance, And yeah, you absolutely right
to highlight kind of the gnostic parallels. I wrote down a lot of notes
about that, A lot of weird cultural stuff going on at that time.
Too, where this tied into this sort of metal was getting really big,
right, I mean, metal comes out of you know, late seventies,
Black Sabbath ton of type of stuff. It's starting to really kick off.
And there was this appeal that you know, science fiction and fantasy had tied
to metal that was often tied to like you said, like you know,
just like big Buzzomi chicks. You know, it was just such an eighties
thing, and I think it's just funny on so many levels, even beyond
the religious, to look at the you know, what's considered a babe,
you know, post Kardashian, right, it moves from you know, big
boobs in the seventies and eighties to nowadays post Kardashian it's all about that ass,
you know. So it's just weird to see the cultural changes. Another
cultural shift too, and i'll let you have the floor back, was that
you had this stuff coming out in the eighties and it was really popular in
these underground circles, this this style stuff, but it all kind of eventually
gave way to anime, and so by the late mid to late nineties you
get ghosts in the Shell, you get underground popular anime things and then you
start seeing Meohyazaki's stuff getting popular, Disney buys his studio up, and then
anime stuff just seems to flood the West. And I have my own theories
about why that might be. But yeah, so this is basically pre anime.
When when you have this cartoon stuff wedded to heavy metal, I mean,
you're not wrong. Especially you know, Akira would probably be the most
culturally significant. I think that came out either late eighties or early nineties for
that anime era, and really, in my opinion, took a lot away
from some of the sequences in heavy metal, especially the animation styles. Obviously
it had a little bit more of that Asian overtone and look, but when
you look at like the Monster specifically, it's very reminiscent of some of the
art style. So you know you mentioned John Candy, okay, and that's
what is another really unique aspect about this film. You know, big metal
names. You said, Black Sabbath there on. There there's other background stories.
Blue Oyster Cult was supposed to get a song. I think that they
weren't able to do it because it was too much of a giveaway of the
story it was supposed to be about. It was written about the baseline that
wraps the whole story up, so they went with something else at the same
time. John Candy, you know, at the time, I'm thinking to
myself, wow, he was a huge actor, Uncle Buck, and you
know, kind of you're a kid, and he's a comedic like family actor.
And so, like, the first story that gets told is, you
know, you got this geeky kid and for some reason, you know,
you've already watched the Lochnar destroy a bunch of things in the very first ten
fifteen minutes. You realize basically you interact with it and you could just die.
And somehow this geeky kid finds what he think is a meteor in the
back of his yard and he's able to interact with the Lochnar for some reason.
And you know, and that's what I love about this story. It's
got like everything. It's like this kid's fantasy because the Lochnar sucks him into
this pagan universe where it's your worshiped. The setup as he's talking about how
in some worlds I'm worshiped to the girl, and the first thing he sees
is essentially this pagan like sacrifice, and he realizes he's no longer this geeky
kid, but he's got this crazy heroic body and he rescues her. And
from this journey of rescuing her, you meet these two kind of archetypes that
are trying to harness the power. And you know, long story short,
on this one, he doesn't succumb to the lust for the Lochnar. He
looks at what he's already been given and he says he loves it. He's
got this great looking girl. He's jacked. He doesn't want to go back
home, but he definitely doesn't want to be all powerful, and he the
Lochnar even mentions, even when people are able to resist my power, you
know, this is the this is really like, Oh well, I mean,
don't get me wrong, there's some anti hero stories in here, and
they eventually, in my opinion, get darker and darker, and we'll get
into that, but this one essentially is this kid overcomes it and he's the
hero and he leaves with the girl and he but the Lolachnar says, even
when they can resist my power, I don't lose any I go on and
he just finds his next victim. Well, what did you think about that?
First? Sequence. Yeah, so we had this setup, like you
said, when the orb appears, it kills a spaceman and it talks to
this young girl and says, you know, you're important. We get the
idea that she's she's singled out. She's probably chosen for something. He gets
explained later, and he explains that he's the multidimensional god of the sum of
all evils, so all the worlds and all the dimensions that are out there
that exist. So we're already having multiverse stuff, right, This concentrated evil
is the god of all of those worlds, and it's the god of destruction,
violence, deformity, chaos, et cetera. Up and so it's just
that's weird because from the outset, the appearance of a being like this,
you know, if we have the biblical narrative, that would be Satan,
but we later on find out that it's more of a nastic presentation because this
is the being that runs the universes, and that at one point actually causes
one of the characters to tell the truth when it's when they're coming when that
it's when they're coming out against Captain Stern. But there's one a couple of
elements that I think are worth mentioning before we get into the esoteric stuff,
which is I didn't realize it until this sequence. The first sequence with the
New York Cabby. Did you notice how similar all of that was to Fifth
Element? I think, yeah, there's actually videos on that that it is
similar. Luc based on must have just basically kind of borrowed or whoever wrote
that from. You know, this this an opening sequence where we find out
that in future dystopian New York there's deals between they basically space crime. It
looks organized space crime with like the Space down who represents the Venusians. And
uh, you know even in the Element, the Bruce Willis character is a
Cabby, and you have this Cabby here and he meets this girl who's fleeing
from from these Venusians and she's basically like Miladjovivic, the Leelu character, the
multi Pass character. Anyway, all that was really weird. But when you
get to the next sequence, which was the John Candy character is a nerdy
kid who's given all of this power and status in this alternate universe, I
kind of think they're taking a dig at their typical reader base, right,
because they're basically saying, look, nerdy dudes to live in the fantasy world
where they get the chicks and where they're you know, buff is all get
out. And the other element that you said is which is correct, which
is that that world that he goes to, the ultech and lochnar is basically
a power that you can harness through all kinds of work ship, all kinds
of ritual magic, including human sacrifice, because what's going on there is not
just him, it's also sex magic. Later on they use a honeypot thing
where they deflect to get the lochnar back for that sort of Greek he looks
like a gay Greek god to do this, like trying to get the John
Candy character to get the lochnar back for him, very much like an Apollo
kind of character. But yeah, yeah, I think they're hinting at all
of the pagan religions, all the Greek paganism, human sacrifice, all of
these are means by which in a neo pagan universe you can harness this power
of the gods, turn it to your to your will and intention. So
we kind of have at the outside, there's not objective good and evil evil.
Good and evil are relative to whoever is kind of the the Majis or
the God, and God is something that you can become through mastering, you
know, these practices, whether science fiction EXCU mean, whether science and technology,
or whether occult practices. So that's what we're being set up for.
And then it kind of moves to these different sequences, like you said of
worlds where the Lochnar is basically explaining to the girl at the beginning that it
is the power and the god of all the universes and it can't be overcome.
Yeah, again, it's doing that for a reason. But you know,
you know, you talked about once again the New York City sequence,
right, and I did skip over that. And first of all, I
think that's obviously an amazing sequence because it's kind of like taking from the old
noir detective feel and you know, the narrator there, but instead it's this
Cabby and like you said, there's a lot of parallels you could say with
the fifth Element. But ultimately the Lochnar is going to be on display in
New York City. There's even a mention of the United Nations how it's been
turned into low incoming how say, Yeah, there's a dig on quote unquote
illegal aliens. Only instead of you know, them talking about how many people
have migrated there, they're talking about aliens. So you know, there's definitely
some cultural relevance there that you know, the people would look at now and
go maybe a little cringey, but at the same time, that is how
the feeling was, you know what I mean that where was where the culture
was. And then it moves into you know, the story where this thing
is supposed to be on display and somehow, you know, the daughter of
the scientist who is going to put it on display gets it. And here's
another one of these tales where like the hero character is kind of an anti
hero, right, but at the end, the lochnar is able to tempt
the one woman and with greed, right, she gives it up for greed
and then turns on the guy. And the moral of the story is,
you know, don't do that either. You know, there's all these moral
tales because he ends up taking this woman out, someone who you know,
obviously he was not only helping, but you know she kind of condom with
a sexual relationship to help up to help her get what she wanted. So
again, more moral tales of how like the lochnar is corrupting all of these
people, you know, and he even says it. You know, she
wasn't so bad. She just got a little greedy as all, you know.
And at the other end, he didn't really have to kill her.
Yeah, it's a relativesed ethic, which is weird. And the god figure
the deity, it's more like the notion that God is a kind of a
technology, and it's a technology that is attainable by nosith or will to power.
So basically anybody or anything can become the God or become the entity if
it can attain this apotheosis deified status through whatever the means are. And there's
different ways of doing this in different, multiple different universes. Right, And
so we see a relativized ethic, I think, because the deity isn't really
what you know, we would think of as a god in the Bible,
as a personal god, but it's more like this thing that you can that
you can master, right, And you get this idea and a lot of
religions, like you know, Masonry, for example, has this idea that
as you come up the ladder of the Masonic hierarchy, you're learning the secret
nosis the secret names of God and all that to get to the next level.
And it's so it's so rather than it being a relationship with like a
personal God, it's more like secret gnosis that allows you to attain these these
higher levels of status. And this universe is kind of populated in what's sometimes
called exo theology. I'm talking about the universe in the in the heavy metal
movie. Exo theology is the idea that there's multiple universes, multiple galaxies,
and that all of the religious theology that we have in the world religions is
a kind of an expression perhaps of astro theology or exo theology, that the
entities of space are the real gods. Right, everybody's heard of ancient aliens
and George Sucolos and is crazy here and all that that whole mythology. I'm
not saying there might not be I mean there might there could be a demonic
entities or something like that that we call aliens. But the idea that the
universe is populated with all these different multiverses and worlds and and gods is an
exo theology. And the world religions are usually read by through the lens of
exo theology, and as this this story progresses more and more was kind of
reminding me of Mormonism, so that the ultimate theology of Mormonism, if you
don't know, is the idea that there's kind of like space gods and when
you die, you can become a god of your own god of a planet
or unit of our solar system, and you can father celestial babies. I
mean, it doesn't explicitly say that at the end of the movie. I'm
just saying that when we get to the last scene with the girl who we
find out's reincarnated, uh, you know, we're again, We're back to
that pagan notion of like you have this divine destiny. Uh, there's a
duel forever, a battle between good and evil. That's a that's a dualistic
scheme because the girl at the end has to essentially she becomes the carnation of
the goddess, who then can fight against the Lochnar and that's the only thing
that can destroy him. So ultimately, I'm just saying that exo theology and
neo nasticism are basically just ancient pagan presentations that are in and rife throughout this
Uh, this story progression. I didn't mean to get ahead of you.
No, no, no, I mean especially when you talk about I guess
the multiverse and the universe and all this alien idea and the way it's been
pushed. You know, a lot of people associate that with Star Wars,
but something like this, which is around the same time frame, that guy
that could could bring us right into the next tale and really my favorite one.
Right, and here's a great example of it. It's like you're looking
at a courtroom and this isn't the jury, but they're there, and you've
got the robots and the robot people, and you've got the aliens, and
then you've got this military guy. And the military guy, you know,
he's got the good chin, and you obviously look at him and he's you
know, he's this is stute guy, and he's charged with all these crazy
things. Yeah. Yeah, the rapes and the murders, amongst other things
are just pretty crazy. Now, this is sat up, like you said,
in this situation where this individual just picks up a little marble off the
ground, and the marble is the Lochnar, and it just so happens,
you know, he playeds innocent to all these cases. It's it's very like
slapstick cartoon with the lawyer. The lawyer can't believe it. He's like,
what are you doing? And this guy thinks he's got it in the bag,
right, he's the big military cheese, He's done all these things,
he's important. The system is rigged. And he gets up there and this
guy starts praising him, same guy with a little thing and like remember that,
like he oh, I was gonna bring it up. You can say
worse than a pedo, if that it's possible. So as this if at
first, you know, he's rolling it like a marble and he's he's covering
for the guy. And basically the captain is telling his lawyer how this guy's
going to be his character witness is going to get him off. You know,
again, very simplistic story. But in the middle of it, he
starts telling the truth and turn it into something else. And like you said,
one of the charges is that he ran a preschool brothel. Basically,
so like you realize how bad this guy actually is. And again he looks
like something out of Superman and Clark Kent. And then you know, as
it goes forward, when it would I really find interesting Like here you'll see
him like morph into the guy and it comes to this cartoon level. But
notice like as the cartoon level comes to play, this car right here and
this guy gets ready to run, all of a sudden it gets even more
like cartoony, like he's the hero as this thing shows up out of nowhere,
the little eye companion thing that a chasin sues and you know, here's
here's where the story for me like shows you kind of the lochnar hinting at
like he loves people like this because at the end of this he the guy's
name his handover fist and he was gonna pay him thirty five thousand dollars and
he chases him down and you think he got him cornered and it's over for
the captain. Hell, you've watched a lot of graphic murders in this bigger
he's gonna get torn to bits. I mean, this terrible person, maybe
the most terrible person that you've seen throughout the entire movie at this point with
what he's charged with, and again he's got this clean cut look. He
pays him off. He goes from the big giant to angry. And then
instead of like keeping his word, he's not under any threat at this point.
He murders him and he gets away Scott free. It looks like it
looks like he's gonna get away with all of his crimes and continue. And
that to me is kind of like showed like the power of Lochnar was like
the Lochnar may have been there to like protect this guy, you know what
I mean. And this Yeah, it's like so he has him the hand
over fifth saying the truth, and you think that he's going to ultimately you
know, he is it relative Eze is he is he gonna get the conviction,
But no, it ends up like like Jason said, like no,
actually Stern gets off because he opens up that trapdoor. Right. So this
one is a weird one because I guess the point here and each of the
different sequences has kind of different things that it focuses on that the Locknar's involved
in in the worlds and in the universes, which I think we're supposed to
understand is that corrupted power in our world is in all the areas of life,
all the branches of government, religion, et cetera. Right, they're
all corrupted because the previous the one with John Candy that was about religion and
was sacrificing virgins and so forth, which by the way that the Lochnar can
be accessed via it's sacrifice. So I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just
there's all these different ways to access its power. This one is the legal
system, right, and so we find out that military people, people in
the system established at a certain level are protected by a lot more exactly as
Jason was saying, so you can get away with it. And then we
get into this war story about the World War one a strew World War two
bomber B seventeen, and so now we're moving it over into the domain of
war. And then we haven't a sequence after that, or is it it's
either one or two sequences after Yes, the next Seguen was over that is
about the Pentagon and corruption in terms of you know, the establishment at that
level. So it's almost like every area of life. And then then eventually
we get into the reincarnation story with the goddess and all that. But I
don't mean to get too far ahead, but I didn't really notice a whole
lot in the next one with the zombies and the World War two guy except
that the Lotnar basically explains that he's the source, or it's the source behind
the World Wars, like in all the wars, right, So whether it's
the World Wars one and two or any of the wars in the galaxy,
it is this negative entity force that's behind it. And then there's all these
zombies that you know, come out of the the planes. When when that
sequence ends, and then it transitions over into the Pentagon and the sexpots,
this is where it gets really crazy. And not only that, I think
there was kind of they're probably trying to imply with the drug sequences and that
that the Pentagon was involved in, you know, drug running. Because this
is around the time that you've got mccloyd's book coming out about politics of Heroin.
You've got Iran Contra is either popping off or about to pop off.
So and what McLoyd talks about it is basically the same stuff that's in Iran
Contra. So it's beginning to come out nineteen eighty one too that oh wait,
the government, Western intelligence agencies have a key role in drug trafficking.
And even though they stick in this idea of it being some kind of like
sci fi drug. I forget what it is, but it's basically saying the
Pentagon is involved in the drug running. And then they throw in the stuff
the sequence with Gloria Who's going to have robots sex, and it's John Candy
that's the voice of that. I just thought, this is all really weird,
given the fact that I think we're right now on the verge, like
here we are twenty twenty three. I mean, the sex bots are basically
now being rolled out. And I just did a podcast last night where I
wish I had kept it in here. But a lot of people don't know
that Anton LaVey was actually studied under guy named doctor Nixon. And if I
don't know laves the creator of the Church of Satan in the late sixties,
well he studied under this guy named doctor Nixon, who was a pioneer in
trying to build old animatronics. And both Nixon and Lavay were fascinated by Disney's
interest and focus on creating animatronic you know, you know George Washington and Araham
Lincoln when you go to Disney World, they already saw at that time they
were like, you know what, this is the future of sex. So
Anton LaVey was actually saying in the sixties that all this animatronics would be geared
towards the creation of sex spots. And so it's just funny because I was
going through a list of movies that had sex bots, like Blade Runner and
all that this is pre Blade Runner. I forgot that there's this sequence in
Heavy Metal about the sex spots. Yeah, the sex spot thing, you
know, is really interesting because a lot of this, in my opinion,
is coming at it from a very like pro woman perspective, Like everybody talks
about now how everybody the woman is the hero, while in this film,
especially when we get into the next section, the whole thing is really about
this young girl that ends up defeating evil. And you just mentioned the sex
spot thing. And what's interesting about the sex spots is obviously in our culture
and rightfully so, it's more saturated that men would use these sex spots.
But you know, even though it's done in sort of a manner where you
know, the robots trying to get with the hot chick, it's the woman
that ends up actually being with the sex spot. So there's a lot of
like things in this film that even though at the time and even now people
will say, you know, it's it's you know, a teenage kid's wet
dream. It's extremely sexist. But on the flip side of that, it's
extremely you know, feminist and pro we Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I
mean like big time. So now let's get into the meat and potatoes.
Let's get into the big story, the big crescendo. Why the lochnar and
when this is at the end where he kind of like explains himself. And
by the way, I also agree with you that the representation of World War
Two is just to kind of blaine that, Yeah, I'm involved in all
these dark wars and it's a good I guess turning point or or segue into
the next story where the Pentagon it's more modernized, right, it goes from
our basically Earth is involved in both of those stories, and it seems to
be our Earth and the future. And on top of that, what I
think is interesting about the no tire Oh good, he's back, Thank god.
No, I'm sorry, I'm trying to click out something that I hit
the wrong button. Sorry, go ahead, yeah, no problem. So
aside from that, when I thought it was really interesting, you know,
it's a classic zombie story. Which at the time, you know, kind
of popular Dawn of the Dead or George ra Merrow. I guess you could
argue that. But what I like about is nobody survives, right, I
think that's kind of the point through the whole thing, there is no like
actual apex character. It kind of follows the root of one soldier. He
survives the initial onslaught, then he's murdered by the zombies. Then the only
pilot that survives kind of goes through this thing, tries to survive. The
Lochnar has attached itself to the plane, and you know, once he actually
survives being downed on this island from the plane, you think he's gonna make
it. No, he doesn't make it. In fact, they zoom out
to let you know that he's surrounded and about to be murdered by a slew
a zombie. So I think that's just to show the Lochnar is kind of
the apex of evil and the driving force of war. It feeds on the
mass human sacrifice exactly, exactly exactly. And so now we get to this
point, and once again there are a lot of occult overtones. Obviously,
you know, the stripping down of the woman her going through the water before
she comes, you know, upon this monument, which is kind of a
representation of the race. And obviously this is a warrior race, but obviously
a female warrior race. So she's not exactly Yes, she's not an anomaly.
You know, you made a very really profound point there when you're talking
about how most people would look at this whole film and they would be like,
oh, this is uh, you know, classic objectification of women by
you know, constant news sequences of boots and bots, mainly big, big
boobs. But the funny part is that, no, actually, as the
story progresses, like Jason said, this is a one percent what I would
call the dark feminine, the dark goddess archetype. And I'm doing a podcast
in a few days and I'm calling it the dark feminist goddess savior archetype.
Why am I calling it that because this is a recurring thing that we're seeing
in a lot of movies recently, not just with a feminine hero and I
would just with a heroin but the notion of the goddess as the new kind
of saved your figure, and it ties into the replacement of what we call
foul logo centrism or religions that are male centric or logo centric. And this
is actually when you get into the history of the New Age and the esoteric
stuff of Wolvatsky and all this kind of stuff. I was just talking about
it today. I'll give you two examples. When Marilyn Ferguson wrote her Tavistock
produced Acquiring Conspiracy, it's not a conspiracy text. It's actually a defense of
the alteration of how things in the corporate world, in the social world,
the legal world, everything needs to transition over to being feminine. In other
words, Ferguson is arguing via her Tavistock handlers that the problems in the world
are that men rule and men do things, and it needs if we just
switch over to a feminine, goddess based civilization, well our problems would go
away. We're gonna have war anymore. Guess what psychonauts like Terrence McKenna and
Food of the Gods, he says the exact same thing. He says that
the mushroom told me that the religion of the future will beat the worship of
the goddess. And he says that because again it's the same plan to say
all the way back to Lavatsky. In her Secret Doctrine, she's talking about
the rise to God. Alice Bailey talks about actualization of hierarchy, isis unveiled.
They want to bring a goddess worship because that will tie into the agenda
twenty thirty of not hurting Mother Earth, that too many people depopulation. It
ties into the emasculation of men, because you can't have a total control mechanism
if men are empowered, if men are maculine and can stand up to this
garbage, and so ironically, just the last summary point here, these last
sequences, the last story of Tarna and epilogue, they're basically about the future
will be the destruction of the masculine green Orb Locknore with the achievement with the
reincarnated goddess figure, because we find out, as you said, that this
girl that was originally at the beginning of the film that the Orb comes to
she's told that she's the chosen one, and it turns out she's the reincarnation
of this goddess girl, this goddess figure, this space goddess. She's the
only thing that can defeat the war God, the Death God, the Saturnalian,
male centric, fellow gocentric Lochnar. Yeah, and again a lot of
a lot of I would say, occult and pagan overtones, just the way
that they summon this thing. And it's so funny because you know, basically
the Lochnar lays out the destruction of her people, so you're basically talking about
all of Earth, etc. And you have the Lochnar going into a volcano
erupting, and everybody that it encompasses basically becomes these green demon kind of beings.
But then you see the scientific class if you will, the rulers,
you know, and they they're they're very uh I would say Roman looking,
they look very Greek. But at the same time they are using that they
admit they're not a warrior race right now. We're not a warrior race where
everything's in the science. They can't defend themselves. They have to go to
this new warrior race and they have to summon the warrior through telekinesis, you
know what I mean. And this doesn't save their lives, but eventually it
does save the planet's life. So again, all of these occult overtones throughout
the entire picture, and at the end of the day, it's really you
could argue also that's self sacrifice because none of them make it right. You
know, There's there's a couple of weasels in there that are like, what
are we gonna do? But at the same time, they all at the
end of the day summon and get sacrificed in order for this being. And
there's even kind of like this sado masochistic torture scene of her before she kind
of resurrects herself with her with her ally the bird, her animal. You
can even say it's their spirit animal, which again is united with at the
very end of the picture and to defeat evil. It's just like a very
when you look at it. There's just so much going on in this movie
beyond just the surface narratives. Jay, Well, she's she's the female savior,
like I'm saying, right, so, and and remember this is kind
of parallel to Christ's self sacrificial death because when we think of when she when
she dives in with her sword, uh, you know, the sword is
typically I mean, the sword has a lot of symbols, so I'm not
trying to reduce it to only having one significance, but in symbology and literature
and art. You know, the sword often refers to the man. It's
a masculine, phallic symbol, right, So it's it's interesting that she has
the sword, right, and then she offers herself like she dives into the
volcanic So it's a self sacrificial death. And that's precisely where we get the
resurrection motif of her being resurrect that as we find out the chosen girl at
the beginning, who's the only one who can ultimately, you know, fight
against the h I keep wanting to say the star Lack. I know that's
from Star Wars, but the lock nor nor lock lock nor right, yeah,
yeah, So listen, lets let's take it into modern day because you
know, obviously all this was triggered in my brain by this world coin thing
because it had slipped the great cracks on me. But when I saw this
thing that literally looks like a steampunk crystal ball, that's a great prescriptor steam
puckers. The ball that when you look into it, it takes your biometrics,
then harnesses an app to verify that you're human. You have this non
human device interacting with a non human network that's going to verify that you're human,
okay, and like the Glee people were doing it with it. I
was just like so blown away. And then to have it incorporated with Sam
Altman, who's the new builderberg Bro, the builder Bro, if you will.
They just let him in right after he did his little speech with Eric
Schmidt in front of Congress. It was literally that week. Now he's the
chat chpt guy, he's behind this. They have this in New York City,
it's under the World Trade Center, they have one in LA It's all
across the country. And to me, this is obviously a lot of things.
Right, it's a CBDC without being a CBDC. It's a UBI in
a beta test. It is a cryptocurrency that incorporates the same type of biometric
functions that they use in the UN World Food Program refugee camps. Right,
and you've seen you know, I think I've played that in front of you
before, where they run a refugee camp, many refugee camps on the blockchain
and they scan your iris for that. So this is the same exact thing,
only people are not only acquiescing to it, they're participating voluntarily. And
then you have the holders of the ORB the great holders of the orb jay.
So every time someone scans in, the holders of the ORB get a
little more crypto. But then the more that they check in or utilize world
coin. In other words, of the people that actually scan into get their
one world coin a month. You have to check into the app every month
to get your one ubi world coin. That's why people are supposedly doing it.
But then the more times that they interact with it or end up trading
it, etc. Than the holders of the ORB gain more of this cryptocurrency
as well. Before we go into that, I got a question for you,
and it's because, so remember when Trump went and met with the Saudis
and they all put their hand on that going orb. What the heck was
that? I never figured out what that was. I'm pretty sure that that
was a un event. Let's let's bring it up because I'm pretty sure that
they were they were looking for some kind of pack. Let's see from creepy
globe picture should be the first thing that when he did that? What's that?
Oh? Yeah, of course he was, So let's see that vox.
The hilarious Trump ORB photo is nearly a perfect metaphor for his foreign policy.
So I think that this was right around the time they cut that big
arms deal. Right remember here here it is right here, So yeah,
it's twenty seventeen. So yeah, they had just cut that big arms deal
and they had their hands on this globe orbs so you can kind of see
the earth underneath just that. Yeah, it happens to be an ocean.
Yeah, so so yeah, I mean the funny thing is they actually calling
this world coin thing the ORB and they have a mission statement in which,
you know, this is a world I D you know, for proof of
personals and as a world app and if we went to I think if we
go right to the first one for every human you know what I mean,
this is what they want, the world ID transactions, milestones. It's a
community building a human economic system. This is the Internet of bodies. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's weird because I remember, you know, we
all kind of heard, even if you were skeptical of bitcoin when it first
popped on the scene and you know, twenty twelve or thirteen or whatever,
the narrative right away was explicitly libertarian that the purpose of cryptocurrency, in the
sense of just bitcoin and it's blockchain, was decentralization and anonymity, privacy,
security, and not being you know, basically bullied by the state, having
your money, your transactional capability shut off. So that was the whole purpose
of this invention as far as we know, right. And then of course,
soon after that we find out a lot of cryptocurrencies immediately pop up,
and most of those begin more and more to be kind of shifted over into
the model of globalis And one of the one of the first that I remember
hearing about some years ago, maybe twenty eighteen, was when I think it
was a v chain, when V chain came out, and I think at
one point it was up there in the top twenty. It's fallen I was
looking, now it's fallen to forty. But V chain's whole premise was we
are going to be the blockchain for tracking and tracing of all objects in terms
of shipping lanes and logistics across the globe. And I'm like, wait a
minute, why we need a cryptocurrency to track and trace everybody's objects and exchanges
across the globe. The whole purpose of this was to have privacy, security,
right sovereignty, and so now crypto eventually evolves into being essentially just ways
in which World Economic Forum Davos and these other figures is why I have Klaus
and what twenty nineteen or twenty they put out their list of the cryptocurrencies that
they thought were most amenable to the New World Order, and they had things
like Ripple and Salona were on there, among others. And then now it's
shifted over into why don't we just make a straight up total night nightmre Neworal
Order coin, which is basically just going to harvest all of your information,
biometrics and data tie everything to that. I think too some of the people
are right who've been saying that the reason that the Internet is being flooded with
AI, deep fakes, bots, all this nonsense, and I think it's
been really ramped up, especially since twenty sixteen seventeen, because what that will
allow is the future push for because of so much fraud, we're gonna have
to have ways for you to have private keys and private ways to access to
Internet so that we know it's you. The narrative is going to shift into
we don't know who we're interacting with because the AI is so sophisticated it can
now fake anything. So you could be thinking that you're talking to the Burmas.
When you're talking to the Burma's bot, which is basically just like Burma's
right, because it's been studying him and mastering him for many, many years.
So we're gonna have this crisis intentional cry of identity on the Internet.
What's the solution, the globallest solution, which is identifying yourself via biometrics and
private keys, which means total loss of privacy and sovereignty across the Internet.
So world coin is just absolutely one of these, uh, one of these
attempts. I hope it fails. Some of these attempts have already failed,
things like file coin, things like Internet Computing Protocol, other cryptocurrencies basically tied
to the New World Order directly. So I think that that I know I
CP is. I'm not sure I forget about file coin exactly, but there've
been there's been tons of these that were basically just New World Order coin that
they're trying to sell as like oh yeah, I mean you might have lose
all of your sovereignty and you might lose all of your identity. Will control
all that, but it'll be really quick transactions. Well, what's the but
if I can't transact because I'm a bigot like that. It doesn't do me
any good. It's just it's just a it's a it's a scam, and
a lot of this ship scams. The crypto world is rife with scams.
I mean, I follow the whole architecture of FTX and all that really closely.
It was amazing the degree of scammery that that was. Well you look
at that now, and the judge just said he's going to jail, which
is is pretty interesting that that just happened today. Yeah, that revoked bail.
I don't know exactly what to make of that, other than the fact
that obviously it was a laundering scam for the power elite, and a lot
of these things are based in non reality. They are Ponzi scams, and
you know, obviously that's gonna happen. I see, I see, probably
right around the time that we're in the major part of the election cycle in
twenty twenty four, there'll be another crypto pump and dump, another hype and
drive. And we got the bitcoin having come coming up in eight months,
nine months and not always drives another market upturn. I mean, when when
we see that, though, I think that you're going to see a lot
crumble at the end of the day. I think there's gonna be a lot
of unfair government regulations. By then, we're probably going to be in a
world where Trump's been convicted of something. I know there's a lot of hopiates
out there, but they're just they don't understand what's going on. Those people.
I mean, I'm jay, you know, not the shift gears too
hard. But I'm hearing all these people thinking that oh, all the all
the precedents are now being set, that once Trump's the president, he's going
to really be able to go after the deep state and prosecute the Clintons and
the Bidens of the world and all these things. They're not even giving him
discovery in the case of the election, just like I told people they wouldn't
and his fake insurrection cases. They're not really going to give him discovery.
They're not going to allow him to talk about the election and the anomalies or
show any evidence. What were people thinking. So if we're living in a
world where the guy who was elected president in twenty twenty after being a wildly
popular president is in jail and he can't run for the presidents. He can't
even get the primary vote, and they install a Biden or any other puppet.
We might be four years away from a world coin type thing being the
biometric security in our election, and that'll still be fraudulent because it doesn't matter
what kind of biosecurity of where you voted. You don't get to see the
proprietary software that counts the votes. It's a scam, it's a bait and
switch. Oh, this is gonna make sure that we have total integrity.
We know exactly who's voting. We're gonna have every count right there. And
then at the end of the day, you're not going to see how the
sausage is made. They're just gonna install anybody. You won't be able to
question it because, like you said, the AI will have picked up you
know what the truth is, and they're the authoritative source. We're really moving
in this direction and rapidly, you know. And that's what's funny to me,
because you know, at everything we see in something like a heavy metal
or a futuristic universe that's almost never picked up upon, like again the cyberpunk
type animatronics, there's a lot of transhumanist stuff in there. But the narrative
being set by AI. I would say, really, the only thing I've
seen more recently that picked up on a lot of that was Westworld. Westworld
really showed how that was a driver you could go back and say, obviously,
orwell and Huxley, you know, had it partially right with the drugging
of the populace and the two plus two equals four and the screens that could
see you, et cetera, et cetera, but not really picked up on
massive AI based censorship. And I guess reality rollout if you will. Are
we gonna be able to combat that? Well, here's the thing, So
I just did a deep dive into mocking Bird. I'm enjoying this book right
now. It's called Mighty Wurlitzer. It's pretty well known book about the history
of Operation Mockingbird by Hugh Wilford. And the reason that's relevant is that that's
the legacy media's version of what they're doing now post Trump, post Russia Gates,
collusion, Pegate and all that nonsense, and the hacking of the DNC
by by Russia. All that's fake. The bots that were supposedly buying the
little one inch boomer ads of Jesus and Trump together on the one inch little
Facebook. Supposedly Trump won the election by flooding all these you know, boomer
ads to the Facebook. Nobody's who's competent believes that. But those were all
the excuses that were utilized at that time by the Establishment, which all came
out by the way the Integrity Leagues in twenty nineteen. And the Establishment at
that time was saying that we can't survive a two term Trump election, and
that was why they had to roll out the coup, in my view,
in part to distract and destroy the Trump election and also to bring about the
voter frauth ballots. That was on the basis of coup, and the censorship
online is still being done on the basis of Russia Gate, even though all
that's been debunked and it's all fake. So that was the basis for the
Twitter files. The collusion between the intelligence agencies, the Biden administration, Obama's
Stay Behind Group which is the Knowledge Initiative or whatever it's called, that where
he was doing centering with the Biden administration going after Trump in DC even after
Obama supposedly out of office. All of that's run by British Intelligence CIA and
the Obama stay behind groups, and that's who's really running the Biden administration.
So they were saying that they were worried about a second Trump administration. I
don't in my view, not even so much because they're that concerned about Trump
himself, but just because he's such a bull in the China shop that he
just says whatever and it causes this floodgate of people questioning the news media.
You know, the one thing that Trump did accomplish was to call out fake
news for four years straight, and that really damaged the credibility of mainstream media,
which is pretty much still in the tanks. So I think that even
though Trump made a lot of mistakes, that a lot of things really wrong,
the establishment was enough. They were concerned enough about the possibility of his
sort of brazenness that he might cause more problems. And so the Integrity Initiative
leaks from the Institute of Strategic Studies out of the UK, the British Intelligence
Group, they were themselves saying that we've got to do whatever is necessary to
stop Trump. So if that applied to the last election, you absolutely can
bet, as you're saying, Burmis is going to apply to the next election,
which means they'll do potentially anything to make sure that Trump isn't in there
again just because of what he represents and just because of what he might say,
because he's a bull in the China shop. So they that would require
then, like you said, crazy events perhaps I mean false flag events,
meaning then that something crazy happens. Oh, all the MAGA terrorists and actually
the Biden administration as it has been already prepping for the crazy MAGA people,
and then they're all white supremacist terrorists. They put out that document saying that
all Trump supporters potentially terrorists. So they're really priming the pump, as you
know, for some kind of loose change, fabled enemies style event to make
everybody be a bad guy Timothy mcvay's style. Okay, see that kind of
stuff. That's very likely. However, as you said, how can we
fight against all this stuff? Well, the good news is that a lot
of people, I mean, we're kind of at a tipping point. A
lot of people are like, they're not gonna immediately believe this stuff. Immediately.
People are gonna start picking at apart. And so I don't know that
those kinds of narratives that worked in you know, okay see or two thousand
and one. I don't know they're gonna work that well. I think a
lot of people are going to be skeptical. Trump is wildly popular, and
he represents that round swell reaction against the mainstream, even if it's got a
lot of problems, even if it's still kind of you know, there's a
lot of boomer holdover stuff that's gonna goofy. But I think the hope is
that the numbers and the tide is seeming to turn. And I wouldn't place
all my hope and Trump, but I'm just saying that if we can keep
doing what we've been doing for the next three or four years, I think
that tipping point of people that are actually red building awake is going to explode
exponentially. Well. To me, I just think right from the very beginning
of twenty twenty, I said, if he tries to run again in twenty
twenty four, they're gonna put him in jail. I truly, you know,
I've never been a walls are closing in guy. I'm not that guy.
I'm more looking at this as they're bombarding him with different charges and seeing
what we'll stick. They're trying to rig the system in every single way.
And like you said, it's not that he was so much different, but
the fact that he really took away any real credibility from the system, constantly
pointing out it was lying. And you know, some of his policies were
good. They're much better than where we're at today. I'm not going to
begrudge the man that you know, obviously of RFK Jr. On the left
waking a lot of people up as well. They don't even want debates.
I guess my biggest fear is that, you know, like you said,
maybe a nine to eleven is not enough, Maybe an okayc type thing isn't
enough. But we're almost in World War three right now. It's not even
really a proxy war at this point. We've seen some unprecedented things via the
Ukraine Russia conflict, and if there were a nuclear device or event to go
off anywhere in the world, that could be the type of event that could
cause an election to be subverted, much in the same way it was during
COVID nineteen eighty four for numerous reasons. So you know, I'm keeping that
and to implement some kind of a digital currency. If in fact, yeah,
if in fact, at the same time, it would cause economic instability.
And finally the house of cards falls in and enough people have the magic
device that they say, we're just going digital and screw it. You know.
I hope there are holdouts. I hope there are people fighting back,
mister Dyer. This was a really fun episode. No one else is going
to talk to me about heavy metal for an hour. Tell people where they
can find your stuff, obviously, Jay's analysis dot com is the spot.
But you're you're moving, shaking. You just at the fourth hour of Jones
today, you're on the rock fin tell us about it. Yeah, you
can find all my stuff there at at one central location my website. You
can also find everything I do on Rocking as well as another great outlet some
unique content over on Rocking as well. You can find me on YouTube under
Jaydy or you can find me on Twitter. Getting a lot of traction out
of Twitter nowadays too, so you can find me on Instagram as well,
and now on TikTok. I'm a huge fan of TikTok, but you can
find me there as a backup. But yeah, I think you know you
and I've had some great conversation in the past on films as well. We
did Holy Mountain. I was just looking at that show the other night that
you and I did on Holy Mountain and remembering that was actually a really good
discussion. We had a lot of predictive stuff and Holy Mountain, the sex
spots, coffin apartments, austerity, mind control, all that stuff is in
Holy Mountain as well. And so yeah, you and I should do more
film reviews because I think you know, you get it. You like,
you're able to tie to predict the programming in the films and the narratives the
old stories into today's news news headlines very well, and not many people can
do that. So it's really cool to do these podcasts with you. Well,
thank you, bro. Like you know, I'm a big fan of
Rob Eager and Cold and learning. He does a lot of really great work.
You know, I'm a big fan of the meaning of the Monolith.
But I've always liked films, and you know, there's always been some kind
of different level there. And you know what the thing about movies to me
is Jay is don't get me wrong. You know, there's a lot of
popcorn bullshit out there, sometimes it's mixed with some good stuff, you know.
I just watched Gardens the Galaxy three. I don't know if you've seen
it yet, but I mean, it's all about directed evolution, and it's
really the story of Rocket Raccoon and how he came into being. And it's
also got a very big motif on world creation and the high evolutionary is the
main bad guy. I did see Sound of Freedom, and I know there's
a lot of controversy over that, but the film itself as a film,
I thought it was great. I thought it was great too, saw that
as well. I mean that I saw that in the theater. I just
recently watched Gardens the Galaxy. There's a lot of popcorn, bubble gum bullshit
that movie. Sure, you know, a lot of cheap laughs, blah
blah blah, but at the same time, still slips some stuff in there.
And you know, I think that those things are important. A lot
of the Marvel movies have a lot of them talked about. Yeah, New
World, we should do a thing on that. Like the good things that
Marvel has slipped into their movies over the last fifteen twenty years. Captain America
Winter Soldier if you remember, that was about the AI figuring out who the
future potential patriots are and taking them out ahead of time. Yeah. I
mean again, they've done some pretty interesting stuff. But you know, with
movies in particular, I can watch a movie and maybe not even like it
right, and but it just eats at me. You know, a lot
of the Kubrick stuff is that way. The first time around, I watched
something, I'm just like, man, this is this makes me feel uneasy?
Why is that? And then I watched it a second time and you
kind of go into it and it's like, Okay, now I get it
because there are all these overtones, undertones, hitting meanings, things that you're
missing in the background, and it's a powerful medium, just like any other
medium. That's why I gravitated towards it. With documentary films. We do
need to do more of these, because I do love them. Mister Dyer,
I am going to the Red Pill XBO tomorrow. I'm sure that you're
up for an American Liberty Award? Are you going to Texas tomorrow? I
wish we could. I would have already committed to a being on a panel
at a comic book convention this weekend, so I have to go do that.
Actually, with the guy I was telling you about, who's my buddy,
who's the comic book artist? I thought I had it maybe his books
around here, but he invited me to do a code convention with him.
So I'm gonna be in a panel tomorrow in Kentucky. I don't know when
this is coming out, but if you're in the Tennessee, Kentucky area,
you can find that convention on my website on my links. But yeah,
otherwise it would be there. I am up for I think Best Analysis Program,
so they have a whole bunch of categories, So are you on that.
I did get nominated for award, But again, I the Red Pill
expos right here in Iowa. It's about two hours away, two and a
half hours away over in Yeah, and you know what, let's be honest,
man, this is this is probably gonna be the last chance I get
to see g Edward Griffin in person. And it was really kind of a
no brainer for me, especially because it's close and I've always really loved what
he does. So I'm gonna try to get some interviews there. Keep grinding
working, I know you're grinding working, like you said you're on a thing.
Keep it up, brother. Thank you so much, absolutely, thank
you did a