WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:16.800 Hi, welcome back to give us Mark leave. I'm Megan and oh we 2 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.440 Oh my god. When this episode comes out, we'll have seen paramore. 3 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:34.119 I'm so excited. I'm so fucking excited. Yeah. No, the both 4 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:38.719 of us are gonna be absolutely robbed. Robin us no rabbit. We will 5 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:42.560 be like a squirrel with rabies. So I have a fuck marry kill for 6 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:48.119 you. Oh fun, Okay, give it to me. Roast potatoes, 7 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:54.399 mashed potatoes, or chips like fries. Fuck, marry your kill. I'm 8 00:00:54.439 --> 00:01:03.599 going to kill the roasties. I'm going to marry the chips. So you're 9 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:10.280 gonna fuck the mashed potato. Yeah, okay, here's one for you. 10 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:21.560 Garlic potatoes, chips or fried potato Fried potatoes? Do you mean like fried 11 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:26.200 slices of potato? Yeah, like like fried and a frying pan, like 12 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:33.599 mmmmmm. Okay, So I'm gonna kill the fried potato. I'm gonna marry 13 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:38.760 the chips. I'm gonna marry the chips because you know what chips are so 14 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:42.680 um they can't go with anything. You know why. I also married the 15 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:49.359 chips because like you're having a burger chips, you're having chicken nuggets chips you 16 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.439 know, you're having a pizza side of chips, like you have chips with 17 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:59.239 everything. You're having a mental health crisis. Chips chips, And I'm gonna 18 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.400 say chips, we mean rise but fries. So for those Americans, we 19 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:07.280 mean fries. I'm gonna fuck the garlic potatoes because you only have them once 20 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.360 in a while anyway, but they're so damn good. Would they make you 21 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:15.800 feel so bad afterwards? Like a bat one might stand? So Megan has 22 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:25.280 ips, I'm an Ibbs girl, and so the creamy garlic potatoes don't tend 23 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:31.800 to agree with her. I shan't be having those before the concert anyway. 24 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.240 I'd prefer if you didn't. I feel like I'm gonna need like a nervous 25 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:47.240 poo before the concert. It's like, what if they see me, I'll 26 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:52.800 stand guard at the bathroom door. I'll do the same for you. I 27 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.000 like the emo tweenagers. Get you have, I have, I have a 28 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:02.759 good one frame Megan, okay, Marie, kill Paramore, fall Up Boy 29 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:09.879 or fifty cent Okay, immediately killed fifty cent immediately, because you know what, 30 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:13.080 I used to love him and then we saw him live and he was 31 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:17.199 so fucking bad. Me he was so you know the way at the end 32 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:22.360 of a concert, you know, usually do the ola so that the band 33 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:27.400 knows they want us back for an encore. The crowd was silent. The 34 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:31.360 crowd was sigh lend. You could have heard a pin drop. Everybody just 35 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:37.479 left. No, we don't want It's okay, you don't have to. 36 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.520 Yeah. So, I don't know. Between fall Up Boy and Paramore is 37 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.719 really hard because I was raised on I've raised myself on both of them. 38 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:52.039 Fall Up Boy was really really big into like in my like from fourteen to 39 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.879 maybe seventeen. Yeah, they were like my band. But then the older 40 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.599 I get, the more I can relate to Paramore HM. So I think 41 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:09.000 Mary Paramore and fuck follow Boy and also fucks on the Fallo point. Patrick 42 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:12.520 Stump, he's my guy. He's my man ever since soul Punk came out 43 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.759 and he was out snazzy and I remember going into HMV to buy that CD. 44 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:25.399 It's the only CD I ever distinctly remember going to buy Iconic great album. 45 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.040 If you have if you haven't listened to it, Patrick Stump a follow 46 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.800 Boy, Soul Punk, go listen to it. But everything that he does 47 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:40.759 is just touched by absolute Magic so amazing. Okay, so what are your 48 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.920 favorite bands? They're not going to tell you, so I don't have to 49 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.639 put myself into that dilemma. No, because you made me do it. 50 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:54.120 You made me do it. Um, my favorite bands would be Paramore, 51 00:04:54.879 --> 00:05:00.720 Pains of Leon. Fucking I was going to say Cold Line because in my 52 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:02.480 head, Kings of Leon, Cold Line, and Cold Plate are all the 53 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:08.279 same. So you're like it's one of them. Yeah, and the coronas 54 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.839 like those four bands are all the same to me. Yeah. Oh, 55 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.600 Fleetwood Mac, so fuck Mary killed Fleetwood Mac, Paramore or Kings of Leon. 56 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:23.800 I'm marrying Fleetwood Mac. I'm fucking Kings of Leon and Rip. I'm 57 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:30.600 so sorry. I would kill for her who No, neve I would. 58 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.480 I would kill both Kings of Leon and Paramore to go see Fleetwood Mac life. 59 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.519 You know what I'm going to tell Haley Williams. You said that, 60 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.959 Hayley, please forgive me. I'm texting her right now. I'm going to 61 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.480 FaceTime here later. I've seen Kings of Leon four times and I would see 62 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:55.240 them another four times. Really, Yeah, it was so like all I 63 00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:00.079 know is sex on your sex is on fire? What text is on fire? 64 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:13.319 Wow, that's so good. So their album they have some of the 65 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.279 best songs. Okay, so I don't know if they would be your vibe 66 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:21.560 because they are very different to like Paramour and Folly Boy. Um, but 67 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:29.360 you have like Milk four Kicks. Yeah, there's a song called Milk where 68 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:36.959 nobody Knows and you have knocked up charmer on call. True Love Way Fans 69 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:43.439 Fans is so good. But it disappoints me. Well why because they wrote 70 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:50.160 it about their English fans. Oh why you why you break my heart like 71 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:55.120 that? I think you know what in that scenario, that's the only time 72 00:06:55.160 --> 00:07:00.399 it's okay to group us with the English when you're listening, we're grouped in 73 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:09.720 there too. Arizona is another one of my favorites, and Revelry and is 74 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:15.319 such a depressing song. But um, I will be in the shower like 75 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:20.720 belting her out. When you're crying in the shower, nobody can tell it's 76 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:27.439 fine. Yeah, that's when you'll catch me. Um. They have really 77 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:33.680 good songs and sex on Fire, I Needs Somebody or probably not their best 78 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:40.360 and they're the two that like everybody went feral for. I know Paramore's cover 79 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:45.879 of You Somebody when the reason why I would go see Kings of Leon so, 80 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:47.839 like, why I've been to see them so many times and why I 81 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:56.040 would go see them so many more times is because they sound like what you 82 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.240 listen to. They're a bit like paramount, Like what you're listening to when 83 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.279 you're watching them live is what you're listening to when you're listening to their albums. 84 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:05.439 Yeah, okay. I love that about a band when they can pull 85 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:13.319 like yeah, like you're just like yes, like this. And one of 86 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.279 the girls, so I went to go see them last summer. That was 87 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.279 my fourth time, and one of the girls and work happened to be going 88 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.759 as well, and she was like, her friend just had a spare ticket 89 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.079 and she was like, I know, like two songs, but like it's 90 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:30.000 a free concert, fuck it, why not? And then she came out 91 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.000 of the concert and she was like, oh my god. She was like 92 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.039 they were actually so good. I love that. I love when you're not 93 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.960 expecting something. I was the same going to Pink one year. I was 94 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.919 like, she's meant to be unreal, She's insane. It was some outdoor 95 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.720 place I can't remember where we were, and fu yeah, she came out 96 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:58.240 in a fucking zip line. I was a girl. Hell, but it 97 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.639 was amazing. She's she's absolutely in life. She's got some set along sonner 98 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.720 m hmm. Well, I'm sorry to pay more than I killed them, 99 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:11.159 Okay, but you have to put it into perspective. I'm telling mother. 100 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.360 So that's enough rambling for you guys. That is they give us music, 101 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.919 portion of give us more over that's probably like from forty minutes long or something. 102 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:30.919 Anyway, that is enough enough tomfoolery from us. So the last week 103 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:37.200 we talked about Peter Sutcliffe. It's great guy, great guy. It was 104 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.360 plastic for you guys, it was like an hour ago for us. So 105 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:45.039 I guess I'll just jump straight. I So last week I talked about where 106 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.559 Peter was from, and a bit about his like growing up and his siblings 107 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.200 and how he bounced from job to job, and then we soon discovered that 108 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:58.799 he has a weird obsession with death, likes to touch dead bodies and then 109 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:05.080 go eat lunch. Hmmm tasty, And then we got into his first three 110 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:11.360 attacks and then his first murder. So far, the police have not connected 111 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.759 any of this. Why would they crazy? Who would they? Wow? 112 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:24.360 Wow? When they dawn Wilson joined the podcast WHOA. Some of my favorite 113 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:30.360 tiktoks are compilations of him saying, Wow, I can't I hate his face 114 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.600 though. He's a pop face to me, like absolutely, and he's not 115 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.639 that great of an actor either, but you know, it just can't help 116 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:48.440 Wow, that's crazy. So on January twentieth, nineteen seventy six, Peter 117 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.799 pulled up the side forty two year old Emily Jackson. Emily and her husband 118 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:58.919 Sydney had fallen on hard times and to try and support their family, Emily 119 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:03.600 began to work as a X worker. Peter saw outside of a pub in 120 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:09.600 Leeds and asked her how much for some business. She told him five pounds 121 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.720 and he agreed, which I'm going to just stay as I did in the 122 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:18.440 previous episode. Five pounds might not sound like a lot of money to us 123 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.279 now, but you have to remember that this is the mid seventies, so 124 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:28.000 it's worth like, you know, Yeah, Emily got into Peter's care and 125 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:33.039 told him to drive to a close down factory that was around the corner. 126 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.440 And I'm pretty sure so I was confused as to whether it was like an 127 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.600 abandoned factory or like it was closed down, but I actually just think it 128 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.480 was like closed, you know, it was shutting time. There was nobody 129 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:52.039 working. Yeah, Peter only half to turn the key in the ignition when 130 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:56.039 it was time to leave. So they go in. He pays her his 131 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.200 five pounds, They do their business, and then they get back into the 132 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:05.320 car and he's half turning the key in the ignition and he's like, oh, 133 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.120 my car won't start, So Peter gets out of the car and pretends 134 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.600 to check the engine. Emily then gets out of the car and goes over 135 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.159 and uses her lighter to try to try help Peter see because it's late at 136 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.240 night, so she's like, here, I have a lighter. Maybe this 137 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.279 will help you seeing what you're doing a bit better. Yeah. Then, 138 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:31.320 as she's linked in to the car trying to help Peter out, Peter takes 139 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.759 out a hammer and hits her on the back of the head. Emily then 140 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.519 fell to the ground and Peter hit her a second time. He then dragged 141 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:46.639 Emily's body back into the factory. Peter then proceeded to stab Emily fifty two 142 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.679 times in the torso and neck with a screwdriver. So he's moved from a 143 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.639 knife onto a screwdriver or was it just because do you think that was what 144 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.440 was available to him. I think it's just because that's what it was available 145 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.279 to him. Think it's because he didn't have a knife on him, because 146 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:07.080 he doesn't really use it again like he I think he does use it like 147 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.519 one or two more times. But again I think it's just it's what he 148 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.559 had. It was a weapon of availability. But also the difference and strength 149 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.919 that it takes from using a knife to prepare to a screw driver is insane. 150 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:28.080 The next morning, Emily's body was found by a man taking a short 151 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:35.399 cut to work. At first he thought it was a mannequin with the legs 152 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:41.159 sticking out. So he had tried to cover her body with like rubble that 153 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:46.799 was round, and he could just see like legs sticking out of the rubble, 154 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.000 and at first he thought it was just like a mannequin's legs and didn't 155 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:56.159 pay too close attention, and then he realized, no, that's not a 156 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:01.480 mannequin, that's a human. God, that horrible realization. I can imagine 157 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:07.159 your brain piecing that together and then having that very sudden realization. It must 158 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.279 be horrific. Police quickly arrived on scene, and it didn't take them long 159 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.399 to connect Emily's murder to Wilma's murder because the emo was just exactly the same. 160 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:24.159 Police questioned everyone at the pub that night, and one person remembered seeing 161 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.480 Emily get into a land Rover, which is not what Peter drove, so 162 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.480 that is false information, okay. They also claimed that it was a man 163 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.840 that looked to be in his fifties, which again, Peter was not in 164 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.720 his fifties. At the factory, police found a footprint that was a size 165 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:50.879 seven Wellies and a similar print on Emily's tie. Police discovered seemen on Emily's 166 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:56.759 clothes and proof of sexual intercourse because however, she because she was a sex 167 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.879 worker, it was hard to determine if it was consensual or not, which 168 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.639 I'm pretty sure you can determine, but yeah, usually they can tell by 169 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.039 like tears and stuff. A month later, the police released a statement connecting 170 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.720 the murders. They said, quote, the man we are looking for seems 171 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:18.759 to have a pathological hatred towards sex workers and good time girls, and it's 172 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:24.360 the type who could kill again. He's a sadistic killer and may well be 173 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:30.320 a sexual pervert. I cannot stress in strongly enough how vital it is that 174 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:35.120 we catch this brutal killer before he brings tragedy to another family. Okay, 175 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.559 so do it then. That was the statement from the head of police or 176 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.679 the head of the investigation. On May ninth, nineteen seventy six, Peter 177 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.960 was sitting in his car in the dark in Leads. He saw twenty year 178 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:54.360 old Marcella Claxton, who was walking home from a parody. Peter offered her 179 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.000 a ride home, and she accepted. Peter then pulled over the side a 180 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.000 feel and offered Marcella five pounds for sex in the grass. Marcella was not 181 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:08.879 a sex worker and declined his offer. She then told him that she needed 182 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:14.039 to pee and got out of the car and went behind the bush. Marcella 183 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.320 was hoping that if she took long enough that Peter would just get fed up 184 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.799 of waiting on her and drive off. She came out from behind the bush 185 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:27.399 to find Peter waiting. To find Peter walking towards her, She then heard 186 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:33.039 something drop and joked, quote, I hope that's not a knife. Peter 187 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.559 told her it was his wallet and then proceeded to grab her and he hit 188 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:41.960 her he hit her in the head with a hammer. Peter hit Marcella up 189 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:47.200 to eight times with the hammer. Marcella fell to the ground and pretended to 190 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:52.600 be unconscious. She said that Peter stood over her and masturbated. Then when 191 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.840 he was done, he put five pounds in her hand. After she thought 192 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:02.120 Peter left, Marcella crawled to a phone booth and called herself an ambulance. 193 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.359 Marcella then hid in the phone booth while Peter drove up and down looking for 194 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:12.160 her. So, oh, my god, walked away from her towards her 195 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:18.480 car, towards his car. Sorry, And then she took the opportunity and 196 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.119 like crawled to a phone booth nearby. And then from what I gathered, 197 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:26.160 Peter was like going to the car to like get a knife or something, 198 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:33.240 and when he turned back around, she was gone. And so then he 199 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.079 was driving up and down the area to see if he could spot her, 200 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.279 and she was just in the phone booth waiting on the ambulance to come to 201 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:45.640 her after being hit in the head eight times with a hammer. Oh my 202 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:49.559 god, that's making my step go her go Marcella, you fucking badass bitch. 203 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:56.559 That is so cool, Like were cool? She Marcella was four months 204 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:02.000 pregnant, and she sadly lost her baby. Sella was able to give police 205 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:06.680 a clear description of Peter. Police, however, do not link her attack 206 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:12.559 to the murders. It wasn't until Peter was arrested later on and he admits 207 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:18.480 to the attack that Peter realized that police realized that he was responsible for this. 208 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:25.200 On February fifth, nineteen seventy seven, Peter saw twenty eight year old 209 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:29.519 Irene Richardson, who was a sex worker. I'm just nothing that matters. 210 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.519 But he accuses a lot of women of being sex workers when they're not, 211 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.720 and they're like, no, he's just using it as an excuse now that 212 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.359 he has like the best moral judgment, when in reality, he just hates 213 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.440 women and he just wants to inflict as much pain as he possibly can, 214 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:47.279 so he's going to be like, oh, you're a sex worker, so 215 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.720 you're worthless, even though it's absolutely not true, but that's just his reasoning. 216 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.240 He offered her money and she accepted. Peter drove her to a park. 217 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.920 Irene told Peter she needed to go to the back room, and she 218 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.759 got out of the car and went behind a bush. While there, with 219 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.640 her back towards the car. Peter snuck up behind her and hit her on 220 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:12.440 the head with a hammer. Peter hit Irene on the head so hard that 221 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:19.359 her skull broke into her brain. He then proceeded to stab her. The 222 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:23.319 next morning, a man was out for a jog when he saw Irene lying 223 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:27.200 in the middle of the park. He thought that maybe she had passed out 224 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:33.240 and needed help, but he seemed discovered that she wasn't cut dead. The 225 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:37.240 man called the police and they immediately connected Irene's murder to the other murders. 226 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:44.599 Police found tire marks at the scene. However, they matched up to one 227 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:53.119 hundred thousand vehicles in the Yorkshire area over a five month period. Police check 228 00:19:53.440 --> 00:20:02.119 eighty thousand cars to the tire marks, like they question eighty thousand owners. 229 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:10.880 They have twenty thousand cars left to check and police decide that this is taking 230 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:15.960 up too much time. They're going to stop doing that. In the twenty 231 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:23.279 thou names that they had left to question was Peter Sutcliffe. Ah, you 232 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:27.839 were so close, guys, you were so close. This is like an 233 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:37.039 ongoing peam in the investigation. The lead detective on the cars, James Hobson, 234 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.200 believed that the murders and the attacks were committed by the same man. 235 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.640 He was like, look, listen, the murders are women who were hit 236 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:52.839 in the head with a hammer and then stabbed to death. The attacks are 237 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:57.799 women who are hit on the head with a hammer and then someone's interrupted him 238 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:07.400 stabbing them to death. I think they're the same. That's pretty much what 239 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.039 the rest of the police force say. They're like, you're talking about your 240 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:17.599 ass. Fuck out of here. Make it make sense. I can't. 241 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.880 Sex workers in the area were at we're on edge, but sadly they had 242 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:29.359 families to support, and they had bills to pay and kids to feed and 243 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.680 clothed, and so they had no other option but to just continue to work. 244 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.440 On April twenty third, nineteen seventy seven, Peter was driving around when 245 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:44.240 he saw thirty two year old Patricia Tina Atkinson. Patricia was a sex worker 246 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:49.039 trying to make ends neat Peter watched Patricia's stagger up the road as she had 247 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:55.279 been drinking. He offered her a lift and she accepted. Patricia then offered 248 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:00.799 Peter sex work and he accepted, and they went to her apartment. While 249 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:06.559 Patricia closed the curtains. Peter hung up his coat and took out the hammer 250 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:11.079 he had been hiding. Patricia sat on her bed to take off her coat, 251 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.440 and the second she turned her back to him, Peter hid her over 252 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.839 the head with the hammer. Patricia fell to the floor and Peter hit her 253 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:26.000 on the head and in the face four times. He then picked Patricia up 254 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.279 off the floor and placed her on the bed. He then stabbed Patricia six 255 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:37.640 times in the stomach with a chisel before throwing the blankets over her and leaving 256 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:45.079 the apartment. A chisel, Yeah, that's like even more of kind more 257 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:49.920 flat wide surface. Yeah, it'd be even like more so a flat white 258 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:59.000 surface than the screw driver. So he's like, it's like he's getting angrier, 259 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:06.880 he's more rage as this is going on. Yeah. At six thirty 260 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:11.240 the next evening, Patricia's friend went to her apartment to hang out, and 261 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:15.920 when she didn't answer the door, he opened the door like he got at 262 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:18.559 like the spare key. Because they were best friends, he knew where she 263 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:22.799 hid it. He opened the door to quote, a chilling silence is what 264 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:29.000 he said. He then found Patricia lying on her bed in a pool of 265 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.000 blood. There was also a pool of blood in the floor. He then 266 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:38.240 yelled for the building manager to call the police. It was determined that Patricia 267 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:44.400 was not sexually assaulted, and police also found a size seven bootprint on her 268 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.680 bed, which was what they found at Emily Jackson's crime scene, which led 269 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.799 them to link the murders, But they weren't originally going to link them because 270 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:59.640 up until this point he's been killing them in a field. M Yeah, 271 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:03.240 and this time he's gone into her home yeah and done it there and done 272 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:11.759 it there get twenty Yeah, And Patricia thought that, like she would be 273 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:22.880 safer because she was going to her home and she normally only saw like specific 274 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.400 clients, like she didn't really go see, like she wouldn't just pick up 275 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:33.839 like just anyone. But I believe it's her. I believe that one of 276 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.599 her regular clients she was supposed to go see he canceled, and so then 277 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:42.400 she went out drinking and then and then Peter offered her right home, and 278 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:45.720 she was kind of like, oh, well, I'm down money, so 279 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:52.640 I might as well try and make some and yeah. On June twenty sixth, 280 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.480 nineteen seventy seven, Peter had viewed a house with Sonia and they decided 281 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:02.079 that it was their dream home. He then dropped Sonya off at work and 282 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:07.400 he went out drinking. At about two am, Peter was driving around when 283 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:14.240 he saw sixteen year old Jane McDonald walking alone. Jane had been out dancing 284 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.440 with her friends when she and a boy that she liked broke off from the 285 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.759 group to get some food after the nightclub. They had been talking for so 286 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:30.039 long that she ended up missing the last bus home, and her friend told 287 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:36.319 her to come with him that his sister would be able to drop her home, 288 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:41.640 that if they walked to his house that then the sister could drop her 289 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.720 home. But when they got to his house, the sister wasn't there, 290 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.319 and they waited for like an hour or so and there was still no sign 291 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.680 of the sister. So she was like, look like I have to get 292 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:56.960 home, so I'll just start walking like I'll be fine, yeah, and 293 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:03.920 that is when Peter saw her. Peter watched her for a few minutes before 294 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.960 parking his car at a hotel. He took his hammer and a kitchen knife 295 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:14.519 and he followed Jane on foot. Peter snook up behind her and hit her 296 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.359 over the head with a hammer. Jane immediately fell to the ground. He 297 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:23.240 dragged her into the nearby park and then proceeded to stab her several times in 298 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:30.319 the same wound in her chest. Assuming that Jane was dead, he left 299 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:36.720 her. Jane was still alive and would lay there helpless, alone and dying. 300 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:42.000 Thank God. At about nine forty five am the next morning, two 301 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:47.359 kids found Jane's body by the wall on their way to play in the park. 302 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.319 The children, that would just affect you for life again. And there's 303 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:59.240 a lot of kids because the milkman had a ten year old brother as well. 304 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:07.079 Yeah, Jane's murder gained global news coverage as she was only sixteen, 305 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:12.839 and up until this point he had been quote murdering sex workers. He will 306 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.720 He does later go on to say that he just assumed that Jane was a 307 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:22.960 sex worker because she was walking in a known spot and he didn't realize he 308 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:29.960 didn't realize until he was quote already attacking her well, that she was not 309 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.480 a sex sex Yeah, so he's claiming that she was walking in a known 310 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:40.240 area where sex workers worked, that they would walk along this road all night 311 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:45.799 to pick up clients. So when he saw her, he just assumed she 312 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.880 was a sex worker, And it wasn't until he'd already begun attacking her that 313 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.759 he copped that she was young. But he went ahead and he killed her 314 00:27:52.799 --> 00:28:00.359 anyway, So right, Yeah, Jane's father had to identify her body, 315 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:11.920 which I can only imagine as heartbreaking. The murder of Jane became international news, 316 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:17.160 and she was mentioned as an innocent victim because she wasn't a sex worker. 317 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.799 All of these women, first of all, were innocent, but she 318 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.279 was. She didn't she she hadn't even been given a chance yet, she 319 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:33.000 was only sixteen. The public also began to get angry that the police still 320 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.960 had no leads in this case. The police then decided that they were going 321 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:45.839 to start a task force of three hundred and four officers. Oh talk about 322 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:52.880 overcompensation. Oh if this is not the only task force, it gets out 323 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.720 of hand, and this is why they don't solve it. So what they 324 00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.599 end up doing is they started up this original task force. It's like three 325 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.960 hundred and four officers that are like, yeah, we're going to solve this 326 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:11.319 crime. And then like say in like leads, right, I can't remember 327 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.559 where this is, but I'm just and then he goes knee tax in Bradford. 328 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.400 So then they set up a task force in Bradford, and then he 329 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:25.000 goes and knee attacks in like Manchester, and then they go and they set 330 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.920 up a task force in Manchester. And then they go and they set up 331 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.839 another task force, and then they set up another task force. And then 332 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:37.200 none of these task forces are communicating with one and it's just gonna ask, 333 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.599 yeah, no, of course not no, they don't. They don't tell 334 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:45.039 each other anything, and you're like, maybe just have one task force for 335 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:49.880 the entire thing, but just you know, like if it's a Yorkshire ripper 336 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.640 case, then it just immediately goes to this one task force and it has 337 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:59.319 nothing to do with areas. I mean, y'all want to be united so 338 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.079 badly, I don't you fucking unite in your own country and stopped trying to 339 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:08.000 unite others. The police then got a profile of the killer and it was 340 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:17.359 nothing like Peter. The police were looking for a land Rover car which Peter 341 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:22.200 did not drive, and the lead detective had refused to publicly link Jane's murder 342 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:29.839 with the rest as she wasn't a sex worker. So the officers are like, 343 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.440 no, this is clearly a Yorkshire ripper murder, and the like lead 344 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:40.319 investigator is like, no, but she's not a sex worker. She's only 345 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:45.079 sixteen. Mm, couldn't be it. So sorry, we never see a 346 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:53.319 change in demo ever, never ever, And they're like but it's clearly and 347 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:57.960 he's like no, no, no, no, not me. Before I 348 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.119 go any further, going to take a quick little ad break and I'm just 349 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:11.319 gonna go toilet. So the families of the other victims actually get quite upset 350 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.000 Yane being referred to as an innocent victim because they're like, well, like 351 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:22.039 my wife or my sister or my mother, like was innocent too, Like 352 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:27.960 what and like they understand that she's young and she's sixteen or whatever, but 353 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:36.079 they're like, but like my family member was also innocent, Like yeah, 354 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.160 because it's not enough that you lose your family member, you have to watch 355 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:45.440 their legacy be absolutely like like secured again and again in the paper and the 356 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.079 media. In the media, they're not talking about like how much of a 357 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:55.200 loving mother Wilma was. It's like, oh, no, she had alcoholism 358 00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.640 and was a sex worker. Yeah, they're not. They're completely stripping them 359 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:07.279 of any sort of human points. Yeah, what I'm trying to say. 360 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:14.119 In July nineteen seventy seven, Peter and Sonia officially bought their dream home, 361 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.200 and on July ninth, nineteen seventy seven, Peter went out drinking with his 362 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:24.599 friend with his friends Ronald and David Berker in Bradford. After a night of 363 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:29.480 drinking, Peter dropped his friend's home and then he went out looking for a 364 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:34.519 victim. At around two am, he saw forty two year old Moreen Long 365 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:39.720 outside a nightclub. Peter offered her a write home and she accepted. Maureen 366 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:45.279 asked Peter to drop her off at her ex husband's apartment. According to Peter, 367 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.359 she asked him if he fancied her, and the pair agreed to get 368 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.079 to a more secluded place. However, this is just what Peter says, 369 00:32:53.240 --> 00:33:00.720 so we don't know how true it is. Moren then got out of the 370 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.480 car to go pee behind a bush on an embankment with her back to Peter. 371 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.839 He snuck up behind her and he hit and he hit her on the 372 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.160 head with a hammer. Peter then dragged her to a waiste disposal sight. 373 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:21.400 He then hit Maureen again with the hammer. He then pulled up her dress 374 00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:27.440 and stabbed her five times. In the torso. Peter then made long incisions 375 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.359 from her groin to her sternum. He then flipped Maureen and stabbed her a 376 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:39.440 further four times in the back. Peter then dragged her body to the darker 377 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:45.200 side of the Waiste disposal and put a dirty old mattress on top of her. 378 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:51.240 As Peter left the Waiste disposal, he left, he fell and landed 379 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:58.519 on a broken porcelain sink. He left behind a bloody partial handprint. A 380 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:06.240 night freshman mhm. A night watchman had seen Peter drive away in his white 381 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:12.480 Corsair. However, he mistook it for a Quartina, which I'm not gonna 382 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.239 lie, right, I don't know my carney, no me neither, Like 383 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:22.119 whenever I get a bolt here, just like uber, I'm I'm looking at 384 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.519 the license plate. I have no fucking idea what car you drive at Yeah, 385 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.400 so I'm not even going to pretend like I know what the difference between 386 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.920 those two cars is, but there is a difference. The next morning, 387 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:42.000 at about eight thirty am, two women walking past the waste disposal heard what 388 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:47.000 they thought was a baby crying. It was Maureen crying for help. Oh 389 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:54.599 my god, Maureen was brought to hospital, where she survived. What Peter 390 00:34:54.679 --> 00:35:00.800 didn't realize was that when he put the mattress on top of her to try 391 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:07.239 hide her body, that helped like put pressure on her wounds. Oh my 392 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:15.159 god, how that's so. I don't want to say lucky, but yeah, 393 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:21.599 it's crazy. How that how that happened? Maureen was sorry. Maureene 394 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.199 didn't remember much about her attack, but she was able to give some sort 395 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.760 of description of Peter to police. Police were now looking for a white Cortina, 396 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.719 which is there still the wrong car, but it's closer than a land 397 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:39.000 Rover and a man with light brown shoulder length hair in his mid to late 398 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:45.519 thirties. Peter then decided to sell his white Cosair and he bought a red 399 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:54.519 Courser Cosair to try and to try further himself from the description a little m 400 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.519 I mean, it's the same car, but it's just instead of white, 401 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:05.679 it's new head. On October first, nineteen seventy seven, Peter drove to 402 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.679 Manchester to the Red Light District to look for a victim. He saw twenty 403 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.679 year old Jean Jordan. He asked her if she was in business, and 404 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.960 she agreed. They drove to a cemetery and agreed to have sex for five 405 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.559 pounds on the grass. As Jean walked towards the grass, Peter snuck up 406 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:29.159 behind her and hit her thirteen times with a hammer in the head. Peter 407 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:36.320 then stabbed her multiple times before headlights of a car scared him off. Whilst 408 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:44.960 driving home, Peter realized the five pounds he had paid Jean was a brand 409 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.559 new five pound note. There wouldn't have been many of those because it was 410 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:55.800 just released, and they would be able to connect him to the crime through 411 00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:02.239 this five pound note. And he reads, He's like, shit, I 412 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:09.440 left that behind and that's going to have significance because it's a new five pound 413 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:15.480 note. They like changed the picture of the queen or something the on us. 414 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:22.320 So he was like, oh no, bro h. And it had 415 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.639 come from his paypacket. So what police were going to be able to do, 416 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.880 and what they were able to do, is they find out what bank 417 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.440 it has come from. They're able then to find out where this bank paid 418 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.119 it too, which would be the company that Peter is working for, and 419 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.960 then they wouldn't obviously be able to tell what paypacket it went into, but 420 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:55.199 they would be able then to interview all the workers and you know, yeah, 421 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:01.679 yeah. So Peter decided that he wasn't going to go back and find 422 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.800 it at the risk of being caught, and thought that he would just wait 423 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:13.320 it out. Now, he attacks and kills Jean on October first. On 424 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:19.880 October ninth, nineteen seventy seven, Peter in Sonia through a housewarming party. 425 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.239 Peter offered to drop his friend's home after the party, and then he drove 426 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:28.280 up to Jean's body. She had still not been found. Peter could not 427 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.440 find Jean's purse, which had the five pounds in it, and in a 428 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:37.280 rage, Peter dragged Jean's body out of its hiding spot, ripped her clothes, 429 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.199 and stabbed her torso a couple of scabbed her. Yeah, he stabbed 430 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.760 her corpse a couple of times. He then slashed her chest and her stomach 431 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:54.079 over twenty times. He then tried to remove her head so she couldn't be 432 00:38:54.119 --> 00:39:00.039 identified and make sure it looked less like a ripper killing. However, he 433 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.920 couldn't get her head off, so he gave up and went home, opening 434 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.800 her out in the open like that. Oh my god, that poor woman. 435 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:16.199 Even after death, she wasn't left alone. Nope. The next morning, 436 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:22.440 October tenth, a worker who was there to like work on the garden 437 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:28.880 and so the area that he killed her was beside a graveyard. So a 438 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:34.639 worker came to like tidy up the garden and to tidy up the graveyard found 439 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:38.760 Jean's body. Police immediately could tell that this was a ripper killing, and 440 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:43.800 it was all over the news, so he tried to not make it look 441 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.480 like a ripper killing, but in Dosau made it even more evident that it 442 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:53.320 was a ripper killing. Jean's husband knew it was his wife by the description 443 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:59.920 and told police that he never reported her missing because she often went to Scotland 444 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.639 to see family for days at a time, so it wasn't unheard of that 445 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:10.199 he wouldn't hear from her for a couple of days, okay, which I 446 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:15.039 mean, I guess okay, you know, like yeah, it's not like 447 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.760 they had mobile phone, so you're just texting each other and being like, 448 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:20.039 hey, I'm just going away for a couple of days. I'm sure, 449 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.039 so oh, she'll call me when she gets there. He just assumed that 450 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:29.199 she had told him and he'd forgotten. He was just like, I just 451 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.239 like she does it so regularly that I just assumed I just like forgot she 452 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.440 told me and was like, oh, she'll be home in a couple of 453 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.719 days time. But then when the description of the body found in the park 454 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.039 was on the news, he was like, oh shit, that's my wife. 455 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.960 Five days later, someone found Jean's purse with Peter's five pounds inside. 456 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.840 Police were able to trace it to the bank, and then they traced it 457 00:40:52.880 --> 00:41:00.320 to where Peter worked, and police interviewed over five thousand people, Peter being 458 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.920 one. However, he had an alibi. He was having a housewarming party 459 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:14.440 that night, so there's no way that he had killed somebody because he dropped 460 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:19.079 his friend's home and then went home. Guy, guys, there's like plenty, 461 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:25.679 plenty of time in an evening, you know. H On December fourteenth, 462 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:30.039 nineteen seventy seven, Peter drove past twenty five year old Marylyn Moore. 463 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.360 Marlyn was a sex worker who was walking home from a friend's house. Peter 464 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:42.280 drove passed her twice before pulling over. He called her over and introduced himself 465 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.599 as Dave. He asked if she wanted business, and she agreed. He 466 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.199 paid her five pounds and then they got into his car and drove to a 467 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.719 quiet spot. When they pulled over, Peter suggested that they get into the 468 00:41:53.719 --> 00:42:00.320 back of the car instead of getting out. Marlin agreed, but notice that 469 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:05.800 her door was locked, so Peter got out and he walked around to open 470 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.199 her door for her, and as he did, he hit her over the 471 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:14.400 head with a hammer. Marlin screamed as she fell out of the car. 472 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:19.400 She tried to stay up by holding onto Peter's trousers, but he just continued 473 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:24.119 to hit her over the head with the hammer. Marlin's screams caused a nearby 474 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:29.000 dog to start barking, and this made Peter panic about being caught, so 475 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:35.360 he ran away. Peter thought Marlin would die because he had hit her over 476 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.320 the head so many times. However, after he ran away, Marlin got 477 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.239 the strength to get up and she ran towards the road. A couple were 478 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:50.400 driving past and saw her covered in blood and crying, so they pulled over 479 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.039 and called nine one one for her or I don't know is it nine one 480 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:59.840 one in America or in England? Yeah? Please, I think I think 481 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.079 if you call it no matter where you are, I think it will connect 482 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:06.679 you to an emergency service. You know what I mean when I say nine 483 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:12.519 one, Yeah, in Ireland it's one one two M. Because we had 484 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.960 the Randy phones, so it was faster. It's not why. I'm pretty 485 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.360 sure someone told I can't remember someone told me that before. I always thought 486 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.920 that about the Randy phones, Like, if you're calling nine one one, 487 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.559 it's not not going to take for fucking ever. Yeah, we're an OL 488 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:31.800 and just go one, one two M. Anyways, Marlin then gave a 489 00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.719 description of Peter and was able to tell police that he drove from a Roon 490 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.400 colored car. However, they were now looking for somebody named Dave or David, 491 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.480 so they were you know, they had interviewed Peter, but they were 492 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:54.280 looking for a Dave and David. M hmm. Yeah. On January twenty 493 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:59.639 first, nineteen seventy eight, Peter was helping his parents move into their new 494 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.719 home. When he left, he went looking for a victim, and this 495 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.800 is when he saw on twenty one year old Yvonne Pearson. Yvonne was out 496 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.039 working the streets when Peter tried to hit on her with his car. No, 497 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.480 sorry, he tried to hit her with his car. What, Yeah, 498 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:25.599 that's that's a whole new what Peter waters, he has like a disgusting 499 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.920 amount of confidence at this stage, like for all of the times that he's 500 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.880 been interrupted, that he's done this in fields, like in public and never 501 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.119 been caught. Oh, he's just dead here hitting people with his fucking car. 502 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:43.440 It gets better. He then came to a stud a sudden stop, 503 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.199 and he rolled down his window and he began apologize in claiming that he didn't 504 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.679 even see her and he's so so sorry. Are you okay? Do you 505 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:57.960 need to lift home? And Yvonne just replied, quote, just good timing. 506 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:02.960 You can put it down to face, oh, Vaughan. Oh. 507 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.400 Yvonne then got into Peter's car and they agreed on five pounds in exchange for 508 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:14.519 some sex, and then drove to a quiet area. Peter suggested that they 509 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.360 get into the backseat of the car, and while Yvonne wasn't looking, he 510 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.199 took out his hammer and he hit her on the head. Peter then dragged 511 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.920 Yvonne to an old, dirty sofa that was beside them where he had pulled 512 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.280 up. Another car pulled up beside him and there was a couple in it. 513 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.960 Yvonne was moaning from being hit with the hammer and in order to make 514 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:45.239 her quiet, Peter began stuffing couch the like couch, stuffing down her throat, 515 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.639 oh my god, and he held her nose. The car eventually left 516 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.840 because like to be fair to that other car. First of all, it's 517 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.760 dark. Second of all, if you just see a couple sitting on a 518 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.039 dirty old couch, you're just going to assume it's like sex work happening or 519 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.840 you know, yeah, and he's probably like on top of very like you, 520 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.000 and yeah, you're not thinking, oh, a woman is being killed. 521 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:17.760 They're in knocking, they're having sex. Yes. Peter then began to 522 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.559 kick Yvonne in the head and the body. He then jumped on her chest 523 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:30.760 until her ribs cracked. Yvonne had two children and there was a babysitter the 524 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.639 night that Yvonne went out. When she never returned home, the babysitter immediately 525 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:42.840 reported her missing, as she always came home. Yvonne's body would not be 526 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:51.280 found until March twenty sixth, nineteen seventy eight, and she was killed when 527 00:46:51.320 --> 00:47:00.159 in January January twenty first fuck someone walking past the disposal site sawn arm sticking 528 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.840 out from the couch, and that's how they found her corpse. The police 529 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.119 didn't originally link the murder to the Ripper case as it was so different. 530 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:16.039 A newspaper with the date February twenty first on it was placed under Yvonne's arm, 531 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:22.639 which which was a month after she was murdered. However, Peter denies 532 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.960 returning to the scene of any of his victims. We know that to be 533 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:32.000 a lie because he returned to Jean Jordan's body exactly, and he returned to 534 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:36.199 be even more violent. He's a sick guy, so it wouldn't surprise me 535 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.960 if he went back to try and do something to alterate the scene. So 536 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.400 like he claims that like he didn't go to any he didn't return to any 537 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.400 sites, and that it wasn't him that put the newspaper under Yvonne's arm, 538 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:58.159 but like it more than likely was him. On January thirty first, nineteen 539 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.960 seventy eight, Peter was out looking for a victim when he came across eighteen 540 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:07.400 year old Helen Ripke. Peter picked Helen up in the Red Light district and 541 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:13.400 drove to a secluded place near the railway. He suggested that they get into 542 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:15.800 the back of the car, and she agreed. As he went to hit 543 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.639 her on the head, two men started walking past the car, so Peter 544 00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:24.679 had to stop his plan. When the men left, though, Peter just 545 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:29.280 continued on with his plan and hit Helen in the head with the hammer. 546 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:35.480 Peter then said he took a break before going back and dragging Helen's body to 547 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:43.039 a woodyard. He then began stabbing her several times. Peter then became a 548 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:49.360 raised at the thought of almost getting caught, so he sexually assaulted Helen once 549 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:53.800 he had finished stabbing her. However, the medical examiner later said that there 550 00:48:53.840 --> 00:49:01.320 was no evidence that Helen was assaulted like sexually. So it is the being 551 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:05.920 out in the open and they're really getting caught that is doing it for him. 552 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.079 Well, so like he's saying, oh, I sexually assaulted her, 553 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.960 but the medical examiner is like, there's no evidence to suggest that at all. 554 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:22.239 M hmm. I wonder if he had trouble Maybe that's why he hated 555 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.320 women so much. I wonder if he had trouble like having sex, like 556 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:34.400 like, yeah, become incompetent. Is that no? Not incompetent? Not? 557 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.800 Because the like medical examiner is like, not, only was there no 558 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.320 evidence that she was assaulted sexually. There's no evidence of sexual intercourse at all. 559 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:51.079 M The next day, people were arriving for work at the woodyard and 560 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.719 they saw the ground was soaked in blood and they saw torn women's clothes. 561 00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:02.480 But they ignored that. Oh okay, they said that, seeing as sex 562 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.360 workers were often frequent on the yard at night, it was just no cause 563 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:13.719 for concern. They were like, it's just just sex workers blood, Like, 564 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.840 it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Helen's body was then found 565 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:21.960 two days later. Her body had been found between two stocks of wood. 566 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.960 Police were seriously struggling to solve the case, and even reached out to the 567 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:31.159 public, offering a reward of five thousand pounds to anyone with information that would 568 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:37.960 lead to an arrest. Nothing of note really came forward, And then this 569 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:45.880 was when police would start receiving letters from Jack the Ripper, Jack the Ripper 570 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:52.320 from Like what the eighteen hundreds place? It is not Peter sending these letters. 571 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.880 Oh so it's just some other ziggo looking to take credit. What did 572 00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.199 these weirdos always come crawling out of the woodwork? Honestly, I know, 573 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:07.719 and I think that is where I will leave it. You guys, oh, 574 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.840 leave it on a cliffhanger with Jack the Ripper. Yeah, I leave 575 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:20.239 it there, you guys, because the liffhanger. Those poor women, Like 576 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.719 I know, I didn't talk much throught that because it was like trying to 577 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:29.440 process. It's a lot of information, it's a lot of it's a lot 578 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:34.239 of a compression and anger. Yeah, he is so angry, and I'm 579 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.920 genuinely starting to think that it's because he can't get it up and that's why 580 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:43.960 he's trying about sexually assaulting these women. I know he's actually assaulted at least 581 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.480 one, and I know he's masturbating over the bodies. But maybe it's because 582 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:52.400 they're dead they can't judge or laugh at him. And I don't lie. 583 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.639 I never thought of it like that, Like, I never thought of it 584 00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.000 in that way that maybe it's because he has incompetence. Oh, now that 585 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:07.280 you say it, I'm like, it makes the most sense. And don't 586 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.679 they say as well, that's stabbing is like another it's it's another type of 587 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:20.000 penetration, Like that's yeah, because they struggle to penetrate they stabbed because yeah, 588 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:28.000 yeah, um, that's very very possible. And it gets pretty wild 589 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:37.440 from here on out and the police just when I told you that they question 590 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:44.400 When I told you that they questioned m. Peter, that's not the only 591 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:52.719 time that they questioned him again. They go on to question him like another 592 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:59.679 like ten times, and then he's also a person of interest at least eighteen 593 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:05.559 times. Or he's like, so he's interviewed by police officially like ten times 594 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:13.639 or something like that, and then he's like in like the suspect pool like 595 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:22.480 a further like eighteen times. What if somebody is coming up that much on 596 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.320 your radar, Like, mmmm, maybe it's time to do a bit more 597 00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:30.079 than questioning, you know, maybe maybe follow him for a while, see 598 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:34.599 what he gets up to in his spare time. And then we will see 599 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:43.360 Trevor birdsall his redemption arc, his redemption It's a coming. Don't forget about 600 00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:52.760 Trevor, Or do I don't really really care. I mean he still does. 601 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:58.400 Let it go on for like fucking six years or some shit. Yeah, 602 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:05.280 Trevor, come on, I'm rooting for you. I'm so If you 603 00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.920 enjoyed this week's episode, please go check out some of our other episodes. 604 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:20.440 If you haven't already listened to Megan's episode on Oh Megan's episode on What's This 605 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:25.559 Leaf Guy, Leaf Guy Matthew Hoffman, Um, that was a really good 606 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:29.039 episode. I know I didn't forget it. I know I forgot his name, 607 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:35.440 but I forget everybody's name, so it's fine. I forget people I 608 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.639 know names, So it's totally cool. Every time somebody like close to me 609 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.719 has the baby for the first like a month, and I was like, 610 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.159 oh, how's the baby because I'm terrified and I'm gonna say the wrong name. 611 00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:51.960 And I'm like, I know that that's that's that child's name, but 612 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:57.559 I say the wrong one. I've forgotten people's names thought like I literally see 613 00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.079 on a daily basis, like I work with them every single day. I'm 614 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:08.880 like, yeah, I hate that I see these people every day, but 615 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:15.840 yeah, I'm like, what's your name? That was a really good episode 616 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:22.320 and reinformative. Thank you leave, You're welcome. It was I'm not gonna 617 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:29.119 lie am. 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