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Get some facts and come back and
Seebee. Get some facts and come back

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and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries
or other things. Get some facts and

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come back and Seebee. You can't
handle the true now told our players you

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need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats

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in here. Looking in the mirror. I look good. I got my

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extra bands on, I got my
other shoes. Be a doll. We

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don't need no mouns. We don't
need no cats. We need more dolls.

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How you got a detain? Are
you not at the day we weren't

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good. There's no sense of asking
me things about the game. I'm telling

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you we laid an egg. So
I'm not gonna break it down for you.

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He sucks. He sucked. He
laid an egg. That's all I

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have to say. Guys, I'm
sorry. I'm not gonna break it down

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for you. Nothing went well for
us. It's on us. We have

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to figure it out everyway. Joe
Dad showtime in downtown Detroit as well.

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Love for the third and final hour
of Exs and Bros. Across the Great

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State of Michigan. Wherever it is
you may be listening in Flint and Cadillac,

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Grand Rapids and Grayling and Gaylord and
Midland and Sagana on Base City,

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Potoski, Charlavoi, Traverse City.
We're with you Monday through Friday sixty nine.

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I'm Matt Shepard, Trent and Ben
are our producers, and we welcome

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in a friend of the program,
Jason Langwow, who is the executive producer

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of The Rocket Mortgage Classic. Because
his event is taking flight yet again today.

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It is a phenomenal event. Can't
wait to watch it. And I

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know you're getting bigger names out there, top guys in the field Fowler and

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Xalatorus and Kim and there's plenty out
there. What else can people look forward

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to, Jason, besides those types
of names on your playlist here today in

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Round one, Well, Matt,
hey, good morning. Yeah, We're

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excited, gaz open this morning,
fans are rolling out the Rocket Mortgage Classic.

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We're celebrating both tie day today honoring
Nick Gilbert, the son of Dan

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Jennifer Gilbert, who passed last year. Fans, the fans can come out

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and enjoy the action today. We're
also I also got an unbelievable fan experience

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on site today as well. Area
three and three Grove Area three and three

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Village has all kinds of great fan
experiences that are on site today, and

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as you mentioned, an unbelievable field
of not just a great top talent today,

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but future stars are starting here today
with Miles Russell, our fifteen year

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old going off at two eleven today
and a bunch of great young players.

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Jackson Coyven, the most decorated freshman
in MT two A history, is going

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to be playing out here today,
and so we've got great players, a

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great fan experience, and ticket is
still available at Rocket Mortgage Classic dot com

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for fans will go on and be
able to come out witness the action.

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Yeah, Neil Shipley will be there
too, Low amateur at the Masters and

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the US Open. How excited were
you when you get guys like that committed

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to your event? Oh? Really
excited. Neil not only came in and

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is out playing golf today. He
threw the first pitch out of the Tigers

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game the other day through a little
seventy five mile an hour high in tight

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one in there. I guess he
was a pitcher in high school. But

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Neil's excited to be here for all
those Buckeye fans. In the area.

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He'll be out today and he's it
was paired opposite Luke Clanton, who finished

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second in the NC two, a
really great player out of FSU that's out

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here and so really great. Great
to have Neil in the field. He's

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having a great time. I expect
him to not just compete and making the

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cut, but to be in the
mix come Sunday. Hey, let me

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ask you this, Jason. When
you look at your event and you see

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how it's grown, what's impressed you
and what do you think the reason it's

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grown so quickly? Well, you
know, the community Detroit has embraced this

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event. Dan Gilbert's vision was to
find a way to shine a spotlight in

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the city and to get the community
engaged and impact the outcome. I think

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are changing the course initiative and the
fact that everything we do goes to help

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end the digital divide in Detroit,
and we're doing that that brings in a

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broader audience beyond the core golf and
and engages the entire Detroit community. And

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so we have Detroit fans out here, not just golf fans. And when

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you can kind of expand your base
that way and get corporations to come in

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and support this, not just Rocket
Mortgage, but others, you know,

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trans Solutions, many of other companies
have leaned in heavily to this event the

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entire We got fourteen hundred volunteers that
give their time, our most precious commodity

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to come out here and help us
along the rope lines and with galleries and

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lean into this event. Just it
takes the village and it takes the community

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to really step up and get behind
this, and that's the reason we've been

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successful. I think we'll continue to
be. Yeah, I don't disagree with

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any of that. I would say
that just about any championship golf event needs

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those volunteers, and we did it. We were broadcasting live from Grand Rapids

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and the Temph Daniel Meyer Classic,
and there were a similar number of volunteers.

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So that's a given. But more
and more you're getting bigger names coming

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to your event, and let's face
it, when people want to go out

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and watch golf, they want to
watch some of those big names. So

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I mentioned Follower and Xela Taurus and
Kim. We mentioned Miles Russell who is

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in a big name. But it's
it's cool to see a fifteen year old

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in a little history and Neil Shipley. But you've got some past major champions

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in the field too, Why do
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do. I mean Cam Youngish got
fifty nine last week. Is out here

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today, Web Simpson, you know, is I here? Francesco Molinari's here

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making his maiden voice Detroit. Matt
Kocher a fan favorite, Merroll loves,

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Kevin Kisner, Gary Woodland who's been
through so much and won the US Open

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a few years ago. Here,
Stewart Sink. Stewart Sink probably one of

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the oldest players in our field.
You know. Willie Mack a fan favorite

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locally. You know, we talked
about the flynt area. Willie, he

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out won the John Shipping event.
He's going to have massive galleries out here

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following him around. Fired a nine
under sixty three in the opening round of

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the John Shipping and of earning an
exemption into the event. And you mentioned

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some of the other younger players just
over time. A lot of these guys

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have a place they can call any
place their home throughout the summer. They

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choose Detroit because they've come here.
We got our fireworks celebration on Monday.

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Brendan Todd, for example, comes
here. He brings this family because as

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they get out of school, it's
his first time to reunite with them,

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and they want to have a fun
summer start, and so we've got so

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much to offer in downtown Detroit.
He's put that on his schedule for him,

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his wife's kids. Is a place
to come, go to some Tigers

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games, watch some fireworks, and
then during the day go out and make

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some birdies beautiful. Jason Langwell,
the executive producer All the Rock and Mortgage

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Classic, joining us here on ex'es
and Bros. Day one of this four

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day special event in downtown Detroit.
Usually you got to go low right at

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your event, and that can be
a really good thing. It was such

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a contrast two weeks ago, you're
at the US Open and the winter is

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six hundred. Last week at the
Travelers, Scottie Scheffler wins it a playoff.

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It's twenty two under. Why do
you think players enjoy playing your trap

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in this event? Well, this
is one of the very few opportunities that

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players have a chance to play a
classic down a ross golf course. There's

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only one other opportunity on a PGA
tour to do that, and you know,

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he's got such great designs. Talked
to so many players this week to

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say, hey, I grew up
playing a golf course like this. This

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feels like home to me. And
so they love the golf course and look,

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and it's in fantastic shape right now, wonderful shape. San moy Han's

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an unbelievable job on here. But
they just enjoyed it. Come out here

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and they make some birdies and they're
going to get after it, no question.

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But the greens are in fantastic shape. The rough is up around a

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little bit and challenging, but there's
a lot of great action out here already.

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Nate Lashley are defending champ in twenty
nineteen, just made a hole in

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one on eleven on his second hole
of the day. So nice little start

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for Nate there. But yeah,
I mean, the guys just love.

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It's just a really and look,
the clubhouse is beautiful. It's a real

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classic old school style golf course and
a really nice walk for not only players

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but for fans being it's a little
bit on the flatter side. Yeah see,

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I'm glad you said that, because
that's what I was just going to

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bring up as a fan, you
get an opportunity to watch. It's very

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convenient for fans to be able to
go out and watch different groups on that

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course at Detroit Golf Club. One
more thinks, I know you get a

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busy morning. We appreciate the time
Jason very much. He's the executive producer

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of the Rocket Mortgage Classic. You're
not a guy who patched yourself on the

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back, even though you deserve it. Tell me a little bit about your

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crew. This is a NonStop this
is once a year, but you're working

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year round. When are you beginning
to plan for next year and how you

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view things on how you can get
better from season to season. Well,

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no, we have an unbelievable team. We're blessed with an incredible squad Rocket

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Mortgage Leans in the entire tournament team
that we have is incredible. We started

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selling twenty twenty five Matt actually last
week, so and you know, so,

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there's no better time to renew a
partnership with someone that's coming out and

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having a great time at this Rocket
Mortgage Classic and to get them to sign

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up for the next one. So
plans are already underway. We've already built

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out some additional experiences. You know, things we've been trying to do is

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offer an even better experience for fans. So this year we added additional fan

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decks for public viewing. We have
seven of them, seven public open to

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the public fan decks, more than
any other event in the PGA Tour.

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And that's what we want to be
able to do. Is because fans a

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great view of golf our Area three
and three growing village, we're trying to

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put more non golf oriented interactives in
there, so it's more of a fair

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festival tight feel when you're coming out, getting away from the rope lines.

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You get up on the rope lines. People are there to watch golf,

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but we like the ability for fans
when they're away from the rope line to

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feel like they're just enjoying a good, fun summer festival in downtown Detroit.

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And so that's our focus. We're
in the experience business, trying to create

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a great experience for fans that impacts
the outcome in Detroit. That's our mission

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and our vision and that's what we
spend our time thinking about each and every

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day. Do a great job of
the Jason, thanks continued success. We'll

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talk soon Okay, thanks a lot, appreciate the sport you bet. Jason

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Langwell, the executive producer of Rocket
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This is Matt Shepard. The Tigers offense

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has been inconsistent all season, but
we've witnessed it way too often in June.

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In twelve of their twenty three games
this month, Detroit has been held

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to two runs or less, and
it's the primary reason they've lost four of

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their last five series. In this
last three game set against Philly, the

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Tigers scored just seven runs. Against
Atlanta, the offense posted just two runs

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in three games, and in the
Trio games against Houston, Detroit played fourteen

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runs, but thirteen of those came
in one game. The Tigers embarked on

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their longest road trip of the season
darts in La against the Angels, a

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team that has fewer wins, but
his offense puts up better on base and

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slugging numbers than the Tigers. Could
be a longer road trip than expected.

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Let's get to the final results of
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that here coming up and try'll give
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it. Tigers lose yesterday six to
two to Philly. I don't know if

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you had a chance to listen intently
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you didn't, let me just remind
you of what has taken place recently.

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All right, we have seen it
far too often in June. The offense

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is non existent. They've played twenty
three games in the month of June twelve

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games, more than half they have
scored two runs or less. It's the

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primary reason they've lost for their last
five series against Philadelphia. The three game

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series at home against Philly, they
scored seven runs against Atlanta. Earlier this

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month, the offense played it two
runs in three games, and in the

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three games against Houston they scored fourteen
times, but thirteen of those came in

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one game. So now they go
up against La. They're ready for the

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Angels right now. I would remind
you this is what happens in baseball yesterday.

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You play day game. You then
go to the airport, you get

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on a flight, and this is
a new plane for Detroit, which is

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great. It's very helpful. You're
probably shaking your head right now, but

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it really is. It's very helpful
because in the past, what we would

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have to do is you would have
to stop off somewhere and refuel wherever it

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may be. Okay, you'd have
to refuel the Pistons or the Tigers,

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they should say in the revenues.
They didn't have a plane that could go

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cross country in one big full tank
of gas, if you will. So

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the new one allows you to do
that, which is great, no stop

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it. But you get there right
and you jump on a bus and you

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get to your hotel, you're beat. I mean, it's a tiring experience.

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So I'm not even though Jack Flaherty's
pitching tonight, I don't expect a

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ton from the Tigers tonight. This
is where it's a challenging road trip anytime

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you go out west, but especially
when you get ten games. All right,

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And I know how people feel about
the Angels. They are thirty three

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and forty six right now, but
they've won three in a row. But

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still, they've won three in a
row and they're still thirteen games underwater.

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They're a minus seventy two in run
differential. The only teams worse in the

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American League are the Chicago White Sox, which are an unbelievable minus one seventy

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two. That is worse in baseball. That is hard to do. Think

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of that for a minute. So
let's not get carried away with Hey,

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we just won a series against Chicago. Okay, again, it's a team

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that's got twenty one wins, they've
only won six road games or eight road

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games, and they've got a minus
one seventy two run scoring differential. You

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know, the other team worse than
the Angels would be the A's. The

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A's are they are who they are? I mean, it's it's just bad

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baseball. I don't know who follows. I don't know IFO follows the Oakland

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A's. And they've lost five in
a row, seven to ten. They're

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just I mean, eventually, you
know, I mean, I remember one

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time they were in second place in
the West. I'd said to people,

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eventually water is going to find level. And that's what you're seeing right now

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now. Am I surprised that Toronto's
and last in the East, Yes,

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I am. I don't know what
they're going to do. I'm stunned because

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of their talent, their base out
of it. They're fourteen and a half

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games back now they play in the
toughest division, but still so they're in

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last place in four to fourteen and
a half games back. Detroit's second to

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last, fifteen games back. So
they're going to take on an Angels team

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that, even though they've won three
in a row, you'd consider not great.

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Right, They're not a really good
baseball team. Here's the thing you

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need to understand, though. This
is a team that is better numbers wise,

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Maybe you think it's too much numbers
wise better than Detroit in terms of

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the key categories that many teams look
at. So the run the average run

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runs per game, all right,
because it's about scoring runs. I know

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you're a big believer in pitching and
defense, so am I, But look

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at runs per game. What's the
average in baseball? Four point three to

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six. That's the average. Detroit
is below the average and slightly below the

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Angels. I know we're looking at
wins and losses, but if you're looking

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at offense, that's important too.
I think it's important. I hope you

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do too. The league average and
on base percentage right now is at three

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to eleven. The Tigers are fourth
last, fourth to the bottom in that

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category. Can't get on base.
Angels much better. Detroit's at two ninety

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seven. The average is three eleven. They're at two ninety seven, third

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to last or fourth to last.
Slugging wise, the average in Major League

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baseball is three three, the Tigers
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And lastly, the one number that
everybody in these front offices, these

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younger front office folks, and no
knock on their youth. They know what

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they're doing. You hope you know
where the ops plus on base plus slugging,

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and it doesn't matter where you're playing, all right, So one hundred

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is the average. It's always going
to be the average. You know where

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the Tigers are eighty nine? Only
Pittsburgh, Chicago and Miami are worse.

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Angels, not much better, but
better. So the Angels are better in

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all those offensive categories than the Tigers. And we look at wins and losses,

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and we think Detroit should definitely be
la be careful when you look at

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just one category, you got to
go a little bit deeper than that.

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from The Rock and Mortgage Classic for
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four day tournament in downtown Detroit.
I'm not sure who's gonna win this thing.

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I don't know who you got,
Tom Kim, Cameron, Young min

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Wo Loo ball striking and creativity will
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him. He's got to be one
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Keith Mitchell, on top of of
course Ricky Fowler. So when you

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get a second check that out.
It's a wonderful tournament and guys will be

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throwing darts at the flags. Trent. Let's go to the text line,

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shall we? What do we got? Someone says the Pistons and Tigers need

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to buy players. The Lions are
the only ones in the city who know

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how to draft correctly and build a
young team. The Pistons have enough young

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players. They need some veterans and
they need to buy them. Amen,

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who would have thought five years ago? Just five years ago, you and

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I would have heard somebody text the
Lions are the only team who know how

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to draft. You know what that
tells me. It tells me that people

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truly believe the Lions know how to
draft and develop. It's one thing drafting

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them. You've seen the Seinfeld episode
right where anybody can take the reservation.

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It's really about holding the reservation.
It's the same thing in football and sports

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in general. Anybody can draft somebody, you got to develop them. None

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of these guys are proven products just
yet. You have to develop who's developing

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them. That's really important, So
drafting and developing. But this team,

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you're to the point that Texter is
dead on. Man, go get some

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players who are already developed to help
ease the transition from terrible team to palpable

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team. Nobody's asking you to be
world champions as the Pistons or even the

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Tigers. For the Pistons, obviously
it's going to be a tougher and longer

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process. But for the Tigers,
it's is it so bad? Is it's

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so hard and so wrong for me
to ask? Can you be competitive?

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I gave you the numbers just before
the break. I gave you the numbers

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of where they are offensively in some
key categories. Those are not my categories.

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These are categories that supposedly I've been
told that matter to the front office.

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Runs per game, on base percentageps
plus, it's not cutting it.

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Why is it so wrong for me
to have higher expectations? Does that make

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me impatient? Hell no, not
in my book? Does it make you

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impatient? If for ten years,
ten years they've said we're rebuilding, that's

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what we've been told. How long
has it been for the Red Wings guys?

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Eight years? Right? People are
getting impatient with Steve Eisman. They

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feel like there's got to be a
move eight years for a team that's won

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eleven Stanley Cups four and eleven year
span. At one point was the model

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franchise in the National Hockey League.
Everybody wanted to be the Red Wings.

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Players wanted to come here and play
for the Red Wings. Eight years,

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there's an impatient feeling like next year
you better make the playoffs. That's the

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feeling all right outside the organization.
I'm sure Steve Eisman feels something very similar.

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He's tired of it too. He
told us it would be a process.

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What he inherited. How does that
compare to what the Tigers are right

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now or what they've been doing for
ten years. It's been a failure of

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drafting and developing, no doubt,
absolutely no question about it. But are

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you developing some of the players.
Look, you could say what you want

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about Alavila's drafts. Seriously, I
mean you could talk about Riley Green,

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and you can talk about Parker Meadows
and Spencer Torkelsen and Casey Miz and all

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that thing. Fine, go ahead
criticize him, but you cannot deny that

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all those men were worthy of at
least first or second round draft picks.

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You can be upset at Torkelsen and
the draft pick, but what you cannot

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deny with what he did at a
high level at Arizona State. The numbers

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he put up were worthy of first
round consideration. Can you at least give

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me that? Yes or no?
Yes? Thank you? Okay, I'm

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talking about first round here, not
first overall, even though I would have

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taken him first overall. I'm talking
about first round. So at some point

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you feel like he has talent and
the ability to be a major league player,

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Otherwise you don't take him in the
first round, right is the logic

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fare so far? Then why aren't
you developing him into one? Because I

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think everybody would agree, Yes,
he's a first round talent. Now the

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question is whether or not you can
help him become a major league consistent player.

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Where is it? Where is it
with Casey Miies? Yes, there's

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been an injury. Players go through
injuries. Derek Scubo got injured. How

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come you can't do that? Where's
the development? It's not like they're giving

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up on somebody. It's not like
they haven't paid attention. Where's the development?

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Say the same thing about the Pistons, right it certain players that come

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in are they developing? Did Oscar
Thompson get better last year? Do you

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believe he got better? Do you
believe Jalen Duran is getting better? Do

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you believe Jayden Ivy is getting better? If you believe that, it's not

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that you be okay with the pick, it's you're okay with the player.

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You're okay with him being on this
team. Did you see the development?

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Have we truly witnessed it? We
see it with the Lions. So this

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Texter's point, they're one hundred percent
right. You see the development with the

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Lions, don't you? Holy crap? Absolutely, there is no doubt that

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the Lions know what they're doing,
not just by drafting Sam Laporta or Jamiir

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Gibbs or Jack Campbell or even Jamison
Williams. You understand why they drafted him

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at least I hope you do.
Now. I know you didn't agree with

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Jimmy or Gibbs at the time.
Many of you didn't believe in Sam Laporta

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either, But it's okay to say
I was wrong. You saw the development,

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you saw them getting better. Look, every player, every athlete has

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a ceiling, right, But are
you witnessing the game quote unquote slowing down

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their adjustments? These guys are good
players, man, I mean really good.

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How do you deny how good Penny
School is? How do you deny

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how good Frank Ragnow is? How
do you deny how good I'm on Rossin

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Brown is? The development of these
players. It's not that I fully loved

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every draft pick. It's I love
how they develop them. That's an underrated

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part of sports. And the Tigers
and Pistons, they're young players are not

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getting better. Now you can say
Riley Green is, and there are guys,

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I'll admit there are guys in the
minor league farm system. We don't

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know if they're getting better. So
I don't want to be totally unfair.

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I want to be willing to say, you know what, let's wait.

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But when you use a first round
pick and a third overall on a young

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kid out of high school, Max
Clark, who's nineteen, he's a little

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bit older than Ron Holland the second, and he's still in a ball,

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I worry about the development. Now. He's doing fine in a ball.

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He's got twenty stolen bags. He's
betting about two seventy. He's got a

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little extra based power pop to him. Okay, the on base is good,

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but I worry about that, and
I think it's a fair concern.

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I'm not trying to rush the kid. I'm just saying this team needs players,

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they need everyday players. Where's the
development? Why is Spencer Torkolsen going

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somewhat backwards at Toledo right now?
Some of it's on the player, absolutely,

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some of it's on the people who
are trying to develop that player too,

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right, in all fairness, I
think that's how you got to look

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at it. I really appreciate that
text. Who would have thought five years

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ago, I mean, Trench has
told me this in the break. Who

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would have thought that the Fords are
considered the best owners in the city.

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Nobody, nobody in the sports world
would have guessed that. Think how quickly

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it's changed. Mike Ilich seen as
one of the greatest owners in sports,

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what he is willing to do to
bring a winner to this city in hockey

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and baseball, the Fords were seen
as cheap and not knowing how to run

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a franchise. Not long thereafter,
it's completely reversed. The Fords hire the

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right people. Let them do their
jobs, and those people are the right

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people to do those jobs. Illach
won't spend money on his baseball team.

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Now you know me? What if
I said time and time and time again?

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What have I said? Money doesn't
cure everything? Otherwise the Potterys would

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have won a World Series by now. Otherwise the Mets would be the best

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team in baseball right now. It's
not the be all. Otherwise the Blue

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Jays would not be in last place. It's how you spend your money.

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About one hundred and six million dollars. Come on, that'll lets you know

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everything you need to know. There's
no question this team could afford and should

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have a payroll of at least one
hundred and forty million. That's not asking

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too much, I've said, Detroit, everyone wants to talk about markets.

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I get so tired of that.
But I'll play the game. This market's

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about a one to fifty it's not
two hundred. That's not folks. That

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is not being unrealistic. That is
not spending other people's money. That's not

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being irresponsible. It should be about
one hundred and fifty million. If you

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told me this is what my budget
is on a yearly basis, that's gonna

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be one hundred and fifty million.
I would say you can compete. Whether

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or not you can win, I
don't know, but you can compete in

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this division and in this league,
no doubt in my mind. But at

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one o six and I know you're
gonna give me the example of Cleveland,

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and I know you're gonna give me
the example of Baltimore. Baltimore is very

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different. The difference for Baltimore is
that all their young players are up at

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the same time. The late nineteen
seventies, early eighties Tigers. That's what

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it is. Philadelphia, who we
just saw leave here, it's your twenty

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twelve Tigers. This team, this
Tigers team right now, you don't recognize

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you're just plugging. It's a damn
that's about ready to break, and you're

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just trying to put you know,
a finger in this hole and a finger

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in that hole. That's what you're
doing. So it's a really good text.

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I really appreciate it. Hey,
let's get to the final results of

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the pole question real quick, Trent. The pole question asked, should paveldat

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Suk have the number thirteen retired by
the Red Wings at Little Caesars Arena.

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What is the number associated with it? A resounding seventy three percent of you

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think thirteen should be in the rafters. Only twenty seven percent say no.

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I guess my question would be,
what's the logic from the twenty seven percent

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who say no, that's that's odd. Of course, remember this in life,

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some things just don't make sense.
I mean, somebody, actually,

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somebody actually believe that Willie Mays wasn't
a Hall of Famer at one point.

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Somebody voted against Ty Cobb and Paper
Ruth. Somebody voted against Mike Schmidt.

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Moronic, But that's the way it
works. Good stuff. Our poll question

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today, I think is a good
two thumbs up or thumbs down on the

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Pistons draft pick of Ron Hollum.
The second, before we get out of

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here, I want to tell you
this. It's I've gone through this before

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with my kids. Really important on
who you trust to have your child's back.

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At the collegiate level, they're gonna
play sports, They're gonna play college

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sports. This is the time where
they become a young woman or become a

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young man, So that impression is
very important. Would never have my kid

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play for Jim Schlapsnagel. He just
led Texas A and M to the College

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00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.360
World Series, lost in three games
against Tennessee. His team was really good.

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I love the way they played,
quite honestly, but they lost six

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to five in Game three of the
World Series. Afterwards, a reporter asked

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him about the possibility of moving on. His quote was, I took the

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00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.519
job at Texas A and M to
never take another job again, and that

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hasn't changed in my mind. That's
unfair to talk to me about something like

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that. It gave up a big
part of my life to come take this

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job, and I've poured every ounce
of my soul into the job. I've

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given this job, every single ounce
I could possibly give. So write that.

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Twenty four hours later, he takes
another job at Texas. He said,

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I wish I could have answered it
better, but in the moment,

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all thirty minutes after the last pitch, I couldn't think of anything but my

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players, And at the time I
really believed what I was saying. No,

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you didn't. You already had the
job done, You already accepted the

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job at Texas. You were recruiting
kids to Texas. Texas A and M.

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Thought you were out on a recruiting
trip bringing him to the Aggies.

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Instead, you were taking him to
Austin. What a slimeball, What a

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piece of garbage. And you want
commitments from kids, You're gonna come into

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my family room and recruit my kid
as a liar, as a deceitful scumbag.

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It's all about money, fine,
then be honest about it. Thanks

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to Trent and Ben for Ben for
a producing our Thanks of course to Jason

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Langwell for joining us to talk about
the Detroit the Rocket Mortgage Classic that's taken

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place this week. Dennis Fifthium,
my good friend, is going to be

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in for me tomorrow. I want
to thank you for your texts and all

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your thoughts. Have a great rest
of your Thursday. We're back with you

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