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Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and

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we have a great show this evening. I'm pretty excited about our guest,

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Seth Breedlove. I'll talk about him
in just a second. I do want

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It's one of two by Charles Leer
and it's called the Kelly, Kentucky

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UFO Goblins. I don't know if
anyone's ever looked into the Hopkinsville Goblins are

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called, or there's all different types
of names for it. But this happened

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back I believe it was August in
nineteen fifty five, and it seems like

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in the fifties there was a lot
of things going on. It's a great

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story if you have not heard about
it. It was actually a horrific night

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for a family. I think their
name was the Langfords, and they were

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dealing with these beings that were on
the roof and there was fire, shot

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shots fired, fire shot shots fired, and again it was a horrific night

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for that family. And again it's
this is the first part of that story.

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Check it out over at podcast ufo
dot com. I want to thank

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everyone that supports the show. Anyone
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media player. Our guest tonight is
Seth Breedlove and he's an Ohio filmmaker and

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he's written, edited, and produced
and directed shorts in features about a variety

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of topics, but he's best known
for his production company and films they've produced

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under the small Town Monsters banner.
I was talking to him earlier, we

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were talking about cities and small towns, so I like that title for him.

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It fits him well. Seth helped
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of On the Trail of and we're
going to be talking about On the Trail

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of UFOs. He produced the first
season along with his wife and went on

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to direct, shoot, and edit
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and then of course he turned his
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talking about tonight. And this year, Seth will also direct The Mothman Legacy.

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That's I always thought that was pretty
fascinating, and the Mark of the

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bell Witch that I've heard of but
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touch on those topics later. Welcome
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thanks so much for having me.
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lot of different topics. It must
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know, informed about all of them. How do you get all your information

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on, you know, for the
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It was a lot easier when I
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weird as that sounds, because what
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what I got did when I got
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when I was doing the medical billing
job, there's there's nothing There was nothing

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else for me to do in between
all the data entry other than like listen

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to podcasts and and so I found
like I could listen to podcasts, I

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could listen to old radio shows and
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sort of disc like the the the
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that. I found I used to
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than I do, uh these days. So the way I do it now

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is I have to very consciously set
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every year it gets a little more
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more projects. So I mean,
if you you know, in the beginning,

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it was one maybe two in a
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you know, every every couple of
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there was rarely a month that went
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like in the field production work,
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which ended up being a close to
thirty day shoot, which for us

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is a really extensive period of time
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we shot that over the course of
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and and then that included that encompass
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this series. So so anyway that
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time to really sit down and start
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next. But we Also, in
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assistant named Heather Moser who's been helping
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She did not work on on the
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because it's like the largest number of
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but she's hard at work on the
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and she helped out with our Momo
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she's she has been a huge part
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done that I need to get done. Wow. Interesting, Now did you

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actually you know, was the UFO
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you know, young, or is
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took on as far as the rest
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that very early era of UFO research, like the nineteenth the late forties,

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and in early fifties really piqued my
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rooted so much in like the government
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of the They sort of not loved
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the Cold War era, So that
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was very much interested in it.
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UFO topic in a number of our
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The Moth me at a Point Pleasant, where we where we did discuss some

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of the UFO sightings that were going
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film in my opinion. I mean, it's all about you know, UFOs

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over over the state of West Virginia. So we've touched on it, but

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I don't think I don't think we
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sort of fully invest ourselves in it, and that was exciting to me when

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we decided to hit hit this project. And I guess the hardest thing too

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for me though, as someone who's
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invested myself or not invested myself,
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my toe in the waters of the
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just coming into it, because you're
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to an audience of people who might
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know, And that's good. Yeah, And that's that's kind of how we

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come at this stuff every project we
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that seems to be our core audience
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to get into these topics. So
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it was perfect for me because I
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I was learning along with the audience. So even though I've been interested

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in UFOs for a long time,
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including in the series, I had
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the airship waves has been fascinating for
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friend Mark and I had really done
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podcast, And because of that,
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of UFOs. Is because it was
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Same way with we did an entire
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lights, and that's why we we
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year or so. It's a passion
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you know, it's not yeah,
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there's a lot of people that are
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this topic a long time, but
there's also I hear from new people listening

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to the show all the time,
new people that are interested in this topic,

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and it's the topic is new to
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you know, I don't think to
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It's not a good thing that sometimes
I just assume that someone knows what Roswell

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was or Kecksburg or any other sighting
phoenix sites or you name it. But

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it really is good. You know. Maybe it's a little boring to some

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people that's heard the story over and
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out there that's looking for information,
I think it's great and that we should,

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you know, explain a little more. And I did watch your series.

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I watch the screeners, and I
agree you you actually are. There

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was a lot of things I knew
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learned too, So let's see.
That's that's that's the biggest That's the biggest

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compliment for me is that I honestly
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sort of UFO the people that are
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as much out of it. But
we very consciously we're trying to hit that

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middle ground where yes, we're putting
a bunch of information in here that's already

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out there, but we're also trying
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well educated on the subject can follow
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I think I think the key is, honestly what is said in the

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first episode, which is that we
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the people. So so so many
of like the the television shows and stuff

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about this subject are about actors running
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and that just wasn't something we wanted
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wanted to do was was let that
the investigators and researchers we talked to sort

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of tell the story of ufology,
but also let us have some insight into

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who they are as well, and
that goes doubly for for witnesses and experiencers

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we talked to, Like, I
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like this if you're not going to
you know, have a good number of

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witnesses and people that are willing to
talk about their own experiences with the subject.

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And I think that's what keeps people
like yourself maybe invested as well,

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is that, you know, like, for for all the information you might

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know about like Area fifty one,
you probably had never heard Dan Weis's story,

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and Dan Dan is the you know, the witness we interviewed in the

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first episode. I don't know why
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in this entire series. He's he's
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me that story years ago and it's
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the reason it really stands out is
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you see where he claimed this happened, it's the most bizarre thing to have

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happened in that location because it's such
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Dan, Dan was just a little
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early nineties and him and his sister
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and both of his sisters actually were
staying at their grandmother's house, and they

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had gone outside for a walk,
and and actually it was just him and

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his older sister, and then his
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a walk, but they weren't together. They were walking, and they they

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fixed for some reason, something caught
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were in a town called Barberton,
Ohio, and it's a populated town.

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but it's basically a large suburb of
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Acron. Essentially, it's a very
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section of town, they were walking, they something caught their gaze. They

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looked off to the east and what
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a series of flashing lights in the
sky that he said looked like a carnival

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ride, you know, like I
can't remember the name of the specific ride

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he referenced, but but there's a
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UFO with the flashing lights all around
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he saw coming across the sky,
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His other sister who was coming up
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it, and then a jogger who
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time saw it. So you had
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west children see it, and then
this other guy that they ran into saw

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it as well. The object came
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and then go down behind these trees, which would be the only section of

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the area that is not neighborhood,
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Is this giant forest that sits in
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to hover and go down behind the
trees into that forested area. They never

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saw it leave, They just saw
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there. There are some some some
things that are involved in that story that

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I would really want to get back
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is the fact that there seemed to
be a number of minds under Barberton.

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In fact, the minds that are
down there stretch all the way to Lake

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Erie, which is about forty miles
to the north and these were I don't

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want to say salt minds. I
can't remember what kind of mind they were,

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but they there's also there's so large
the minds down there are so large

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that they actually store they stored all
the old excavator earth movers and excavators down

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there as well, and these are
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Fine, So we're curious to do
a little bit of digging into the no

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pun intended, we're we're curious to
do a little bit of digging into what

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actually is in that forest and maybe
beneath that forest. Because the other part

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of that story that got left out
is that Dan is almost convinced that shortly

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after their sighting there was a fence
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went, we went back there,
and it looks to us like you can

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get in there today. So there's
no there's no fence. So he's not

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he's not positive he's remembering that,
right, you know. I mean I

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think he was, like, I
think he was like nine years old at

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the time, so he was pretty
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they had put up this fence after
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that event really affected him, and
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it affected him in a major way, to the point where he's still really

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curious about it today. And he
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the episode and you can kind of
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something for seven seconds in the sky
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he contacted me, I don't know
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hey, you remember you were at
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and for auction and all that stuff. And I said, oh, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, how you doing
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goes, well, guess what,
I'm listening to your show and you had

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him on your show. Dean Merchant. Oh Dean, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, Dean's great. We The
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was I mean, that's one thing. You what you've seen is eight episodes

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on the Trail of viet Those features
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two hundred and seventy minutes, and
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an object, we would have easily
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or four episodes in there, and
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do multiple seasons. But Dean's are
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UFO historian because I don't know what
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not crazy about like the investigator or
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at some time in April or May
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great New England accent too. Oh
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about his New England accent was I
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the interviews to be transcribed, and
this time around, I hired a service

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that was computerized, and the computer
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reading his interview is one of the
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that. Yeah, I'll have to. Yeah, I haven't yet. Yeah,

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Oh that's great. That's great.
And so we're going into breaking about

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four minutes or so that if you
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Shannon Lgrow from Las Vegas, if
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person. Basically, it's it looks, you know, it appears from watching

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the videos that it's basically her in
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you're you're throwing some questions to some
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did you find She's a very nice
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wedly enough we met at a Finding
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here in Ohio back in twenty fourteen, during this very short period of time

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where she lived in Ohio. So
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she worked with me last year.
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she's in three episodes of On the
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out in the out in the field
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Bigfoot, which is the final episode, episode six, and I liked the

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way we worked together and her approach
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these topics in general is really similar
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don't really like being on camera.
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of Bigfoot. I was the lead
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hated it. So I asked her
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know, the face and the voice
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it is it's her story, you
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us to make to make the series. I mean, we don't really make

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some sort of hook for this.
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pretty much explicitly stated in the first
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learn about the subject, and she's
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series to do it. So it
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to do pretty much everything is honestly
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this sort of thing, you know. She she's leading a lot of the

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the interviews especially, and I think
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at the center of it, she
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whole thing right right. And you
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of Las Vegas, No Peggy who
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a lot that actually happened in Las
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she found out I was. She's
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I can't remember the channel, but
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guess I just saw your show in
UFOs, And she started telling me about

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this amazing, huge black triangle she
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down to Las Vegas. Pretty amazing
phoenix. The Phoenix lights were also seen

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in Vegas. Which was like something
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Weatherley for the for the series,
is that there were sightings of the Phoenix

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Las in Vegas, which I had
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I'm not I'm not as in the
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we're gonna head into break, so
everyone hanging there. We'll be right back

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right after. These messages still live
on YouTube, and so let's let's talk

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on miss break here. Let's let's
talk a little bit about what happens in

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in Ohio. Have you looked I
mean, actually a lot of things happen

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in Ohio in particular, but is
that something you've ever looked into as far

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as the UFOO sightings? And yeah, yeah. The most frustrating part about

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this first season of On the Trail
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do the coin incident at the coincident
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like I actually spoke at a moufon
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a moufon conference this past year,
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about it. Again, I'm a
newbie, so take it easy on me,

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but but I had never been aware
of that incident. And what really

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it's it's kind of clues you into
like what a monster nerd I am,

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because like the thing that caught my
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the UFFO first intercepted the helicopter would
have been right over Charles the Charles Mill

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Lake and Charles Mill Lake in the
fifties had a really famous local monster called

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the Charles Mill Lake Monster, which
was sort of a creature from the Black

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Lagoon type monster. And so as
soon as they said something about Charles Mill

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Lake had piqued my interest was what
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chief of the county was there.
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back when the incident took place,
when when the coin helicopter incident took place,

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that the fire chief was a teenager
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saw the UFO intercept the helicopter from
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really excited about the idea of doing
some retelling of that incident on the trail

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of Bufo. So I'm really hoping
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ground because I'd love to do that. But beyond that, Portage, the

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Portage Lake or the Portage County UFO
chase is one of my always been one

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of my favorite UFO stories. I'm
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of minutes, can you talk about
that. The coin one always fascinated me

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as well. And basically a UFO
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up. It was very scary and
anyone could check that out if you just

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go into coin. I don't I
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it's like see I think I think
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were flying. They were flying from
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you if you know the area that's
Charles Milwake is like right in between those

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two two locations, and so I
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had basically what amounts to like a
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long period of time when they essentially
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what was interesting to me was the
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have been sort of a really intimidating
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if not downright terrifying encounter, they
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like they all sort of talked about
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and excited by what they were seeing. In the entire crew of this helicopter,

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we're witnesses to whatever this object was, and they will corroborate this story.

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One of them is still detective in
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and the other one recently moved.
One of the other ones moved down

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to Atlanta and as a member of
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can't remember what happened to everyone else. Going back on yep, all right,

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welcome back. My guest is Seth
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during the break up. You mentioned
a famous UFO case in Ohio that is

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one of your favorites, and I
ever heard of it. Can you tell

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me what that case is called?
Again? The Coin No, the other

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one, the Portage County. Yeah, I don't know of that one.

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I'm pretty sure you do. It's
it's given a lot of different names.

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Portage County. But it's the one
where the where the two police officers started

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getting calls about about a UFO,
they see it and they proceed to chase

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it. All the way into Pennsylvania. Yes, I know, yes,

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uh huh yeah, and they're told
they're told it's a it's being they're chasing

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the plane at Venus essentially with other, you know, law enforcement officials from

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all over the the state sort of
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always been one of the most fascinating
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policemen were treated simply for reporting what
they encounter, that's right, and how

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many there were quite a few involved. Was it something like six or was

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it I think I want to say
it was six, but it might have

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been more than that. And I
heard a great talk about this like a

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year ago. I can't remember the
guy's name. Now that's going to drive

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me crazy. But but I've always
been really fascinated with that story because it's

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so close to us. But I'm
I'm always drawn to stories more because of

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the human component and the and the
way that that story negatively affected the witnesses.

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I always thought was really really kind
of sad and spoke. So it

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sort of speaks to the to the
larger way witnesses are treated in general,

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or at least were treated, particularly
at that time for coming forward with the

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sighting, and especially if you were
working in law enforcement. It seems like

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it was a really just a terribly
negative thing that ended up honestly destroying the

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careers of a few of those guys
that were involved in it. That's that's

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not that's not unusual. Unfortunately.
What do you think if I ask you

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this question, do you think you
know anything more about this topic of what

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these things might be or do you
think you know less about it since you

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actually went into this. Uh,
I think I probably know. I think

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I probably know a little bit less. If you're going on and you're trying

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to sort of subscribe to one of
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a lot of commonalities between encounters.
There are, but there aren't, and

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you know, we point them out
in episode two. I think we tried

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to do it a somewhat decent job
of pointing out some of the commonalities and

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like craft descriptions, and you can
definitely like start drawing from the data you

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know as far as what all the
all the what we're putting out in the

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series, you can start to draw
from that and draw lines between some things.

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But I think at the end of
the day, I have no I

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don't know that I even have a
theory anymore that dominates any of the others

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as to what is what is actually
going on? Right, Yeah, I

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have no idea. And you had
Linda Zimmerman on which I have a lot

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of respect for a really nice lady, and I think she said something along

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the lines of this flying saucer was
in fashion at that time, and it's

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kind of it's kind of funny because
you know, I mean, people are

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seeing different things than you know,
what I saw would be described as a

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flying saucer in two thousand and six
that but you know, there's a cigar

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uf shaped UFOs and some people say, well, those are just the saucer

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shaped you know, at a side
view, but a lot of people are

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describing actually seeing you know, cigar
shaped UFOs. And you know, the

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funny thing about those. The more
people I've talked to that talk about those

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have all said almost all said that
they've seen like portholes, like yeah,

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little round windows on them, which
is really bizarre. Yeah, and that's

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a that's a that's another correlation to
those airship reports from the from the early

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nineteen hundred. Yeah. Yeah,
so let's let's talk a little bit about

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those because people, I mean,
if you go back, you can see

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the old newspaper clippings of some of
these what they called airships and you know,

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they weren't origible, so they didn't
uh, some of these actually were

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you know, these reports were prior
to when those were flying the round.

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the height of a major airship wave that

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was sort of going all around the
West coast. In this in this series,

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we we get into the ones more
on the East Coast, especially like

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the Hudson Valley flap that was happening
in the in the early nineteen hundreds.

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hundreds flap of sightings that started in like

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San Francisco. If you do any
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you'll find no shortage of very detailed
reports that we're being run in newspapers

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at the time of encounters with these
flying craft that we're seeing over like San

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Francisco, San Jose, I mean
San Diego, They're all over that California

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area, and then they start going
moving out into the Midwest. What's really

409
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:40,079
interesting is you can track them,
you know, like you'll there's there's actually

410
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:45,079
points in time where you'll see you're
you're able to track their movement by the

411
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:49,440
reports popping up in the newspapers around
the country. So they start in one

412
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,079
area and then they move out across
you know, the country. And obviously,

413
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,240
if you're a skeptic, your response
to that is going to be,

414
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:59,720
well, that's just other newspapers picking
that same story up and they start running

415
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,279
their own, you know, falsified
version of it. And that is like

416
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:07,640
anytime you do archival research, that's
a danger you'll run into. Is newspapers

417
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,400
in the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds, some would argue, up till today

418
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:19,680
love making up stories to sell papers, and yeah, yeah, and and

419
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,599
so you do run into that.
But a lot of these stories have a

420
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,240
lot of details that are that are
able to be corroborated. So you've got

421
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:30,200
names of witnesses and things like that
that in a story that's falsified in a

422
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,200
newspaper, they typically wouldn't add those
details. So as long as you can

423
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,599
at least corroborate some of these people
existed, that that in itself is a

424
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:44,880
major indication that some of these things
actually happen. Seeah, those those airship

425
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:50,480
waves are super interesting to me.
And when you get into the nineteen hundreds

426
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:57,440
waves that hit like the East Coast
and especially that Hudson Valley area, those

427
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,799
those get really interesting as well because
of the fact that there are actual encounters

428
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:07,079
with in some incident instances, there's
actual encounters with the occupants a the people

429
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,400
that are said to be piloting the
vehicles, and they get off the ship

430
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,519
and they'll talk to someone and they'll
claim to be from like you know,

431
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,359
New York City or Europe or something. But there's that didn't happen. This

432
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,960
was all happening well before dirigibles were
really taking to the skies. So you

433
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,599
know, I've heard people sort of
conspiracy theorist passet that maybe this was like

434
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,559
the government testing some sort of aircraft
or something like that. But you know,

435
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,359
when you get into those eighteen hundreds
reports, that starts to make you

436
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,759
scratch your head. Well, especially
because I think it was in Britain.

437
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:50,839
But back in I think it was
prior to eighteen ninety there was a report

438
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,240
and a lot of people saw this
hairship they called I may have called it

439
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:59,440
something else, ghost ship or something
like that, but a bright light shot

440
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,519
down to the ground and everybody reported
that. And you know, they didn't

441
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:07,359
have the technology at that time to
do something like that. Which is that's

442
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,480
that's interesting something that's something that Linda
talks about. Actually in the Hudson Valley

443
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:17,679
flap, was that And this is
like nineteen thirteen, I I don't remember

444
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:23,000
the exact date Linda gifts, but
they were these they were shining these bright

445
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:30,800
lights while they're flying across the sky. And Linda relates that farmers and people

446
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,719
living in the area would look out
their window in the middle of the night

447
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,400
and there would be these ships moving
above their fields with these lights like combing,

448
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,159
combing the ground. And this is
you know, the very early nineteen

449
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,440
this is the earliest days of the
twentieth century. So it seems to to

450
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:53,519
sort of point to something a little
more unusual than an experimental craft, right,

451
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,519
And I think as she also talks
about, maybe it's not her,

452
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:02,360
but someone does about beings on top
of a craft standing cop and waiting.

453
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,760
Am I think, yeah, I've
heard that story, but I don't think

454
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,679
that was one that she told.
What's interesting too about those airship waves is

455
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:17,559
that there's some some similarities to the
Black Triangles or even just even just like

456
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,880
the Phoenix Lights where they you know, they're obviously some of this is going

457
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,599
to be because these are airships and
they were moving slower, but there's there's

458
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:30,239
similarities between the airships and the Black
Triangles, and that they start in one

459
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,320
area and they just sort of like
move over a location as if they want

460
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,639
to be seen, you know that
that's that was always what was so unusual

461
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:45,559
about the Phoenix lights to me is
that if I think doctor Keti said that,

462
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:50,880
it looked like a parade more than
anything, like they were wanting to

463
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,559
be noticed. And some people would
argue that that's the way that the airships

464
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,119
were. You know, it wasn't
like they were trying to stay It wasn't

465
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,760
like the airships were trying to stay
hidden. They were you know, they

466
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,519
were very bold about the fact that
they're flying around out there and people can

467
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,280
interact with them and see them at
night. And I would say, I

468
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,360
would argue that in a lot of
cases, it seems like the Black Triangles,

469
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,280
especially in the Hudson Valley area.
Again, the Hudson Valley comes up

470
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,440
a lot, mostly because I'm fascinated
by those cases, but also because it's

471
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,960
I feel like the Hudson Valley.
UFOs stuff is overlooked a lot these days,

472
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,760
and I think it was really important
to ufology. I don't know if

473
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,920
you would agree with that or not. Well, I think there were tens

474
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,159
of thousands of people that saw something. It wasn't just like a few.

475
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,000
Yeah, there's a lot, a
lot of witnesses. Yeah, But that

476
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,519
was something I conclusion I came to
while I was editing the series. Actually,

477
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:46,639
it was just the strange similarities between
the airship waves and the Black Triangle

478
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:52,400
waves, and how the behavior of
the craft actually seems very similar, really

479
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:59,400
similar in some situations, right right, Yeah, I don't know. I

480
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,079
just love the early cases. And
you know, I have Dave Marler's going

481
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,599
to be on next week. We're
not going to be talking about Black Triangles,

482
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,239
but we may touch on a little
bit, but you know, he's

483
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,360
the go to for that, and
I have his book. Oh you do,

484
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,880
Yeah, I do believe the first
sighting of a of a triangle was

485
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:22,960
in the late nineteenth century. I
do believe. I think we might have

486
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,800
referenced it. I can't remember.
It's been a while else since I edited

487
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:31,199
episode two. We might have referenced
that sighting because Alejandra actually talked about Marler

488
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,079
and the work he had done during
his interview, So I'm not sure if

489
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,599
a few referenced that are not.
But yeah, that that to me is

490
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,639
really intriguing as well, just the
idea that black triangles might have been around

491
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,960
long before, you know, like
most people credit them as showing up in

492
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,440
the in the eighties and nineties.
It would be really fascinating if you could

493
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,199
track down sightings from from that far
back. Yeah, yeah, I saw

494
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,199
that Alejandro was in there and out
there. That keep asking me how he

495
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,119
is. I've talked a little bit
about him last week, and he's just

496
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:07,840
taking a little break from the UFO
scene for the most part. But he'll

497
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:14,840
probably will be back. But he's
just he's concentrating on doing something different and

498
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,119
you know, hopefully we'll have him
back. He says he is paying attention

499
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:22,480
to the UFO headline so so,
but he's doing really well for all those

500
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,559
out there that wonder how he's doing. And I did see him, you

501
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:29,800
know, I see how he's edited
in into most of the episodes, isn't

502
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,119
he. Yeah, he's in.
I think I think the really like mouthpieces

503
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:40,400
for the series end up being David
Weatherly Alejanigo Man. Those two were in

504
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,199
almost every episode. Linda is in
I think five or six of the eight,

505
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:51,159
so it's it really is pretty pretty
heavy. They're they're featured, you

506
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:52,960
know, And I know going into
it who I think is going to end

507
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:58,360
up being that sort of figure.
So I knew because of how knowledgeable he

508
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,920
is about the history of the whole
thing, kind of knew going into it

509
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,239
that he would be featured pretty heavily. So when he we interviewed him for

510
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,679
like two and a half three hours, which for us is a is a

511
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,280
very long period of time. Our
interviews don't usually last long. But I

512
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,800
made sure to hit pretty much everything. I mean, he talked about contacts,

513
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,639
he talked about you know, the
Black Triangles airships, he talked about

514
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,639
pretty much everything. Yeah. Yeah, No, he's great. He's really

515
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,639
got a lot of knowledge there.
And you said there was did you say

516
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:32,400
there were thirty people interviewed totally,
and I think that I think the total

517
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,320
number that we interviewed is like twenty
nine. But you know, there's a

518
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,239
couple of people that were in there
that there was actually an interview that was

519
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,119
shot with a guy named Mark Munsey
who's an author in Florida, and his

520
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,800
interview got scrapped because the audio got
destroyed while we were in the Chestnut Ridge

521
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,159
in Pennsylvania. Well, that's terrible
when something like that happened. It's too

522
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:59,480
bad, it is. It's frustrating. Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah,

523
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:04,880
We've had our We've had our audio
problems on this show too. It just

524
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,239
does happen. And when you're alive, it's a you know, we have

525
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,760
that one shot. What would you
say, is to your the favorite case

526
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,360
of yours that you looked into for
this for this series? Yeah, yeah,

527
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,719
I mean I think it does come
back to like Dan Weist, but

528
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,400
we already talked about that one.
So it's probably going to be the Gary

529
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:30,559
Treibert from from the Hudson Valley.
And what's really frustrating again about the fact

530
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,719
that there's only eight episodes in the
series that Gary could have had a whole

531
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,719
episode, like just for himself to
talk about all the things that have that

532
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,679
have happened to him, because he
alludes to it in the in the abduction

533
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:49,360
episode that that what he talks about
in that episode is just one small facet

534
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,239
of what's gone on in his life
he had. I don't know if that's

535
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,559
here or on your end, but
they're probably grant that they're coming to get

536
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:04,960
me now, Gary, Gary,
when he was a kid, was was

537
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,280
seeing craft on above this hill outside
of his parents house in upstate New York,

538
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:15,119
UH specifically the Hudson Valley area,
and there was a gravel quarry and

539
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:21,599
there were multiple instances where he saw
this craft sort of hovering above above the

540
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,639
forest up on the quarry, and
one time him and his dad walked up

541
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,559
to see because they saw his craft, and they walked up together to get

542
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,559
a closer look, and I guess
about halfway up his dad turned him home

543
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,840
and said you go back home,
and Gary went home and his dad was

544
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,000
gone for hours, and that that
part of the story is really unusual,

545
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,719
But it's what happens next is so
much more unusual. And this did not

546
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,679
make it into that episode because it's
so bizarre. I could not find a

547
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,679
way to put this in there and
have it make sense for the audience.

548
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,559
And I'm probably going to do a
terrible job of recalling this, But basically,

549
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,159
Gary, after that instance where he
saw the UFO above the gravel Corey

550
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,599
as a kid, he went into
the woods one day and encountered a man

551
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:16,480
who was wearing coveralls and was about
four feet tall, and the man had

552
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,119
a cartoon face. This is how
Gary recalls it. The guy. The

553
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:27,480
guy had a like a cartoon face
or something like that. But Gary seems

554
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,519
to believe that that instance incident was
sort of either a you know, like

555
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:36,079
maybe a memory that was planted in
his head or something, and he believes

556
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:42,519
that that was potentially the first time
he was abducted. And years later Gary

557
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:49,199
would and this is actually in episode
seven. Gary does believe he had an

558
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,079
instance of abduction or missing time in
which he was he was driving to the

559
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,119
to the grocery store or something to
get beer in the middle of the night,

560
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,119
and halfway there he started noticing his
car was being followed by a light

561
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:07,320
in the sky and he comes he's
coming on his back road. He comes

562
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,159
around a bend in the road and
all of a sudden, the craft is

563
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:15,599
down in the middle of the road, and like two three hours later,

564
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,280
he wakes up or comes to or
whatever you want to call it, not

565
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,239
knowing what happened to the hours prior. He didn't even realize how much time

566
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,320
had passed until he drives into town
and goes to the grocery store and walks

567
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,239
in and realizes as they're closing he
had left home at like he had left

568
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,360
home at like eight o'clock and it
was now almost midnight something like that,

569
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:40,920
and realizes all this time's past,
goes home, and then later he would

570
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,280
have some Some things happened physically he
was waking. He woke up with scoop

571
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,239
marks on the back of his neck, which he was he actually showed to

572
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:57,400
us he had one day he was
out fixing his car and he started feeling

573
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,599
dampness on his leg. He looked
down and there was blood seeping through his

574
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,599
pants. Not there wasn't a rip, It was like blood was was coming

575
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:08,519
out of his pants. He goes
inside, he drops his pants and he's

576
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:15,599
got a massive scoop mark in his
leg that almost looks cauterized, where blood

577
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:22,199
is now pulling inside of and then
he started getting and then he started waking

578
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,880
up with nosebleeds, with with dried
blood all around his face. And and

579
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,320
I guess one of these times he
woke up with with the nosebleed, he

580
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,159
went into his children's room the next
morning. He had three twins, and

581
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:44,320
then his wife also had a son. And when they went into the bedroom,

582
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,679
all four of these kids had blood
coming out of their nose. So

583
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,800
the triplets and the little boy had
had blood coming out of their nose.

584
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,800
What was really strange about that to
me? And this is one this probably

585
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:01,599
points to a larger, a larger, you know, statement about experiencers and

586
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:07,239
how they all react differently to what
happens to them. But Shannon was really

587
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,360
curious if Gary, how Gary felt
about that, you know, because now

588
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,119
your homes being invaded, your children
are being brought into this, how do

589
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,000
you feel about it? And he
was very I don't know how to put

590
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,000
it. I don't know how to
put it right. He wasn't If this

591
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,440
was me, I'd be angry,
you know, I'd be very very angry.

592
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,880
I'd want to know what's happening.
I'd want to protect my children,

593
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,920
was his reaction. It wasn't anger. It was it was more of a

594
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,920
sort of like acceptance of what's happening. And I thought that was really an

595
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:45,960
interesting dichotomy with how you would expect
him to react to something like that.

596
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,480
But what I just said is honestly
barely, barely scraping the surface of all

597
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,039
the things that he told us about
while we were in there. His interview

598
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:58,159
went for about forty five minutes,
and it was really him just sort of

599
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:04,199
recalling all these things that happened.
He recalled his mom having sightings outside of

600
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:10,320
their house as a child of lights
and the sky he recalled, he recalled

601
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,920
it his his I believe it was
his mom came into his room when he

602
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,840
was a kid, and and oh
maybe it was him. Maybe maybe he

603
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,599
recalled going into his children's room and
seeing something in the room in the middle

604
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,960
of the night. So whatever,
whatever the case may be, it was

605
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,320
it was pretty obvious that whatever had
happened to him had never stopped and seemed

606
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,519
to be generational. Wow, Wow, that's really interesting. Well I have

607
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,400
to tell you up Well, first
of all, I'm going to tell something

608
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,079
a little personal about myself that I'd
never really talk about. And but it's

609
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,840
nice and that is up. Well, it all started. I went into

610
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,159
Staples, Local Staples up to do
some work on an appraisal that I'm doing

611
00:46:54,199 --> 00:47:00,760
basically for the antiques world, and
the the girl at the counter said,

612
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,360
oh, I like your lighthouse that
you have for your logo. What made

613
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,000
you choose a lighthouse? And I
said, well, I said, it's

614
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:13,000
an interesting story. My father was
a lighthouse keeper in the Coast Guard and

615
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:17,199
he was lonely at a place called
a whaleback Light in kit Remaine. He

616
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,480
was very lone. He was from
Georgia, and so he's out there all

617
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,719
alone for like a long stretch at
a time. So he would call the

618
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,079
operator just for someone to talk to. And he met the operator and fell

619
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:36,039
in love with her, and that
was my mother. So it's quite a

620
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:37,039
story. So I told her that
story and she said, oh, that's

621
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,519
great. She goes, hey,
have you gone to the local lighthouse out

622
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:44,480
here? And I said, yeah, I've been there. It's quite nice.

623
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,480
And she said, did you know
it's haunted? And I said,

624
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:52,079
it's Alice's Head Lighthouse. I guess
it has a story of being haunted.

625
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:57,840
So I said no, I didn't
know that, and anyway, so she

626
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,199
goes, well, I said,
out, you know, guess what,

627
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,400
I do a show on UFOs.
And so she started to tell me the

628
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,159
story, and it was very interesting. I love hearing UFO stories from people

629
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,639
that don't really pay attention to the
UFO topic, and they had an experience

630
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:19,079
and they are probably telling the experience
for maybe a couple of times in their

631
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:23,559
life or whatever, or anyway,
it's always interesting. And she said something

632
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:30,599
along the lines of basically describing what
she saw, which was some type of

633
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,920
craft and lights, and then her
parents seeing it. But then her parents

634
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,639
the next day had no idea,
and she said it was almost like they

635
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:43,559
didn't know the time had gone by. And it's again, it's like the

636
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:45,760
missing time. You mentioned that.
That's kind of whatever. A lot of

637
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:52,000
people talk about this missing time thing, which I think is fascinating. It's

638
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:58,559
not unusually you can go it.
Yeah, his story. Gary's story really

639
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,920
reminded me of very who we interviewed
for our Invasion on Chestnut Ridge movie back

640
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:13,159
in twenty seventeen. He Barry had
very similar occurrences to Gary, almost eerily

641
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,559
so, in that he was driving
somewhere one night, sees a light and

642
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:20,519
the sky, wakes up hours later, doesn't know what happened, and then

643
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:27,760
starts suffering from physical effects after the
fact. You know. And Barry Clark

644
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,599
was a major UFO case investigator in
the nineteen seventies with Stan Gordon. He

645
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:39,320
was one of Stan Gordon's like right
hand guys. And Barry was so studious

646
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,360
and in documenting things that happened to
him. He had file cabinets full of

647
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:50,960
cases he had looked into and when
all of this started happening, it drove

648
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:52,400
him out of the field, to
the point where he burned all of his

649
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:58,360
files. The stuff, the stuff
that happened to him was so traumatic,

650
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:00,840
and I mean, this was the
only time we've ever had this happen.

651
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,400
He actually shut yet, he had
to shut off the cameras and he told

652
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,400
us like all these things that had
happened. He didn't want to document it,

653
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,719
and I'm not permitted obviously to tell
what happened to him. But it

654
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,119
was one of the more disturbing interviews
I've ever been a part of, because

655
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:21,719
you could immediately see how much it
affected him emotionally and mentally even to that

656
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,280
day. Wow, well, it's
amazing. In the scoop marks you talked

657
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,480
about. That's something you do here
quite a bit about it's not unusual.

658
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,719
We're actually going into a real break
this time. So when we come back

659
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,239
about a half hour into the next
segment, we're going to be taking phone

660
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:43,199
calls. So that number, if
you want to write it down is let's

661
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:49,599
see, it's eight five five four
seven two five four eight three and again

662
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,760
we'll be doing that about a half
hour in. And my guest tonight is

663
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,360
Seth Breedlove and we'll be right back
right after these messages. All right,

664
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,599
everyone, welcome back to the show. My guest tonight is Seth Reedlove and

665
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:10,119
we were talking about his series called
On the Trail of UFOs and so what

666
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,599
other on the Trail series do you
have on the Trail of big Foot?

667
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,719
I can see that one. Yeah, it's it's funny because the idea behind

668
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,440
the entire on the Trail of concept
is kind of changed. Originally On the

669
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,360
Trail of each season was going to
focus on a different subject. So the

670
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,719
first season was all about the lake
Monster champ that said to the reside in

671
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,079
Lake Champlain, and then from there
we did on the Trail of Bigfoot.

672
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:38,760
But it's going to morph now because
On the Trail of big Foot, it's

673
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,079
about the pick up a season two
and that's going to be happening at the

674
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,400
same time that On the Trail of
the Lake Michigan Mothman, which is a

675
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,159
special event that's probably going to be
around ninety minutes, will come out.

676
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:53,840
So it's basically morphing into its own
sort of sub subsect of small town monsters.

677
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:59,920
It's it's basically our way to do
episodic storytelling. We'd really like to

678
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,320
do a second season on the Trail
of UFOs. So what we're looking to

679
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,960
do eventually is get to the point
where we would have like On the Trail

680
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,480
of Bigfoot running on the Trail of
UFOs running, and then another on the

681
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:14,079
Trail of sort of series each year. And that's addition to the films we

682
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:15,760
put out. So there's a lot, a lot in her future. But

683
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:22,599
yeah, On the Trail of Bigfoot
was sort of the one that that propelled

684
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:27,519
the entire idea forward, and that
came out last year and it's at like

685
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,239
four million people have watched On the
Trail of Bigfoot, so that's that's what

686
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,320
really helped set that path for us. I know this isn't about UFOs,

687
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:43,280
but I'm still a little bit fascinated
about the Lake Champlain. Did you find

688
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,519
anything interesting, anything interesting come out
of that? Well, I that's actually

689
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:52,400
the only STM project I didn't direct. I produced that. But what Alexander

690
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,760
Pettikov, who directed it, put
in the series that I thought was most

691
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,840
compelling was the where the petrogs that
they found in the river, one of

692
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,159
the rivers that feeds into Lake Champlain. They actually found these petroglyphs that were

693
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,440
would have been done centuries ago by
local native tribes. They clearly depict some

694
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:19,719
sort of pleasias or looking creature,
and I thought that alone was a pretty

695
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,880
strong piece of evidence for the existence
of something at some point in history having

696
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,599
been in that area. Am I
hearing music? Do I hear music?

697
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,360
That is that clock? That is
all the clock? Yes? You mentioned

698
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,960
our lovely town Square clock. Okay, yeah, you can't do much about

699
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,840
that. I was actually stranded on
Lake Champlain. I had an antique boat

700
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:45,320
that had an engine trouble, so
I was staying at a hotel on the

701
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,119
lake, and it was four o'clock
in the morning by the time I got

702
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,480
back, and I was lost I
got totally lost in the middle of the

703
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,719
night out there, and I started
some classiest I started thinking about that Lake

704
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:02,079
Lonster. Yeah, but are there
acts, people that have taken pictures or

705
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,639
I don't recall of anything. I
mean, I think I think it's like

706
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:12,559
Bigfoot or anything. You know,
there are a number of purported photographs of

707
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,079
what people claim is champ none of
them entirely convincing. You know, it's

708
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:22,000
like anything that The best evidence it's
like UFOs or Bigfoot. The best evidence

709
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:29,039
comes down to the fact that you've
got these very believable, perfectly reasonable,

710
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:32,360
rational people who will tell you they
saw something. And I've weirdly enough.

711
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,519
I mean, we made a movie
near Lake Champlain back in twenty sixteen,

712
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:44,800
actually filmed in twenty fifteen, called
The Beast of Whitehall, and Whitehall is

713
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,800
this tiny town that's actually the birthplace
of the US Navy. It sits right

714
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:53,440
on the banks of Lake Champlain and
the Champlain Canal runs right through the middle

715
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,039
of the town. But we made
a movie about a big foot siding there

716
00:54:57,079 --> 00:54:59,880
that happened in the seventies. While
we were making this Bigfoot movie, we

717
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,800
up to having people come up and
tell us about their Champ, their Champ

718
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,159
encounters, and that was sort of
actually the first time I thought we need

719
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,079
to do a movie about Champ.
But yeah, there's there's a lot of

720
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:14,119
witnesses, a lot of people still
claiming to see something in there, you

721
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:21,320
know today, but nothing super believable
in the way of photographic evidence, right

722
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:24,440
right. You know, I got
to ask you this when you have done

723
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,800
all these different series and looked into
all these different things, where their crossovers

724
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,920
where you know, the same place
that you just mentioned, kind of a

725
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,239
crossover there with the Champ, you
know, people seeing him, but were

726
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,519
there are other crossovers between big Foot
in UFOs you kind of hear that.

727
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:47,679
Sometimes I think the biggest is is
actually the Chestnut Ridge where Stan Gordon is,

728
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,199
because you've you've got so much strange
activity taking place up there and we

729
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,239
we I don't know if it's just
that the Chestnut Ridge is relatively close to

730
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,400
where I live, but we can't
seem to escape it. We made this

731
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,280
movie in twenty seventeen called Invasion on
Chestnut Ridge, which was actually a massive

732
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,719
flop. But for some reason,
it's like it's like the movie that everyone

733
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:13,239
I talked to really Loves and for
some reason, I feel like it's it's

734
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,559
one of our best It's there's there's
people in Hollywood I've spoken to who found

735
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,280
us because of that movie. So
it's it's a weird thing. But we

736
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,760
made that movie in twenty seventeen,
and then we went back in twenty eighteen

737
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:29,119
and shot episodes of On the Trail
of Bigfoot, and then this year we

738
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:32,440
shot more for for on the Trail
of UFOs. And it's a place where

739
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:43,159
you've got a confluence of very strange
paranormal slash uphological slash cryptozoological activity all taking

740
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:50,960
place in one location. But that
Whitehall Bannington Triangle upstate New York, you

741
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,519
know the Adirondacks stretching up into like
a Vermont and Connecticut. There's a lot

742
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:58,960
of really weird activity that happens up
there too, where you get you know,

743
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,880
UFOs Bigfoot scene together. The strangest
thing about Whitehall is you have it's

744
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,480
everything. While we were there,
we spoke to Bigfoot witnesses. The Whitehall

745
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:13,440
case is one of the more famous
Bigfoot cases. But you've also got Champ

746
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,000
right down the road. And then
while we were there, we had these

747
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:22,440
police officers tell us about seeing a
what they claim is a terrodactyl sit in

748
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,320
a tree right down the road from
a bear road, which is sort of

749
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:32,800
the location of this really famous Bigfoot
you know siting. But that's that's those

750
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,800
two places are the ones that seem
to have the most of that sort of

751
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,480
activity that we've been to or we've
made films on. And the Chestnut Ridge.

752
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,199
There's so much to explore with the
Chestnut Ridge that I've kicked around the

753
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:51,000
idea of doing an entire episodic series
just hanging out with Stan Gordon as he

754
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,360
takes us through all the crazy stuff
he's investigated. We met up a year

755
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:00,000
like a year ago at a con
somewhere, and the first thing he says

756
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,480
when he sits down is he sits
down and goes, well, now now

757
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,199
I'm getting reports from a local police
officer of this creature with no head,

758
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,519
it's got eyes in the middle of
his chest and no warms, And I'm

759
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:15,880
just like, yeah, I mean, why wouldn't he Sure Like every time

760
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,199
it's Akistan, he's got something,
you know, something insane he's he's looking

761
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,079
into on the ridge. It's and
it's never surprising. Yeah, all stands

762
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:27,519
great, He's been on the show
a number of times, and he does

763
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,199
he actually does a great job,
and he's he's he's not a BS guy.

764
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,400
I mean, you just know he
doesn't try to stare anyone in a

765
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:40,360
certain way. We had I love
his work on Kesburg, which is still

766
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,679
a mystery. Some people say it
was you know, uh, I forget

767
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:47,760
exactly what I had someone on that. There was a little bit of a

768
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:53,239
debate on what the object actually was. But yeah, he's always great and

769
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:59,199
he's got the stories about everything that
are happening here. I can understand why

770
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:02,519
I want to do that. Yeah. Yeah, so one of some of

771
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:08,119
the other places you ended up up
traveling to and and talking you know,

772
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:14,199
some other cases. Yeah, for
this for this series, we started in

773
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,840
so the first trip actually took us
to Nevada and Arizona, and we started

774
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:23,800
in Phoenix. We interviewed doctor Ketai
about the Phoenix Lights, and then we

775
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:32,000
interviewed another I don't know if you
can quantify as what he experienced as an

776
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,960
abduction, but Donovan, we interviewed
in Phoenix as well. On Donovan had

777
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,679
this really unusual incident that happened to
him when he was a kid. He

778
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:43,639
woke up in the middle of the
night. He went to get out of

779
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,239
bed to go to the bathroom and
this strange like green mists appeared under his

780
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,880
bed and he felt like it was
trying to grab him keep him in the

781
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:59,079
place. He jumped back into bed, and then next day he was told

782
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:04,599
by a friend of school they had
seen a UFO hovering over his house roughly

783
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,480
around the same time, that this
would have happened to him, and that

784
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:14,000
that story is relayed much better by
him in episode seven of all the trailer

785
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,400
of UFOs. But that was sort
of the first stop of that trip was

786
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:22,000
Phoenix, where we interviewed those two
people and Alejandro. Actually we did Alejandro's

787
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,480
interview in Phoenix as well, and
then we did Sedona. We traveled to

788
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:30,920
Sedona. While we were in Sedona
and we interviewed Ron, Ron Riggiar and

789
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:39,360
Malava. Malava is actually a tribal
elder. We are not allowed to state

790
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:44,199
who his tribe is, but it's
pretty obvious. I mean, if you

791
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:49,719
watch the episode, it's pretty obvious
who he's talking about, and their stories

792
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,920
were both. Ron is one of
my favorite people as far as like the

793
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,760
way the way he's so old school
about everything and just just sort of his

794
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,559
recollections of working on the radars when
when like the Phoenix lights happened, the

795
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:06,760
satellite array that he was he was
actually tasked with operating at that time,

796
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,880
he was aware of what was happening
in Phoenix when it was happening. He

797
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:17,000
was actually tracking the Phoenix lights from
this geosynchronous satellite that he was actually that

798
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:21,199
was his job at the time,
was to monitor this satellite and they were

799
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:24,719
actually able to track the Phoenix lights. He also was involved in tracking the

800
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:34,320
Tehran Iran UFO that that occurred as
well. I wasn't. Yeah, so

801
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,519
so both of those should we really
should just back up just a little bit

802
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:40,440
for the new listener. Yeah,
I think it was something like March thirteenth

803
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:45,639
or something like that in nineteen ninety
seven, the Phoenix, the Phoenix lights

804
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:50,760
and ongoing. You know, a
lot of people have reported as seeing something

805
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:59,119
similar, but some people have including
Peter Davenport, has gotten calls at night

806
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,639
and people were were estimating something that
could have been miles wide, that the

807
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,559
object was so big and going over
but that was in more than one state.

808
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:15,000
You said, so, yeah,
it seems like it's and that's that's

809
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:19,320
where RON came in. Is is
where they first tracked. Where they first

810
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:28,159
saw the Phoenix lights appear on their
geosynchronous satellite was coming out over area fifty

811
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:30,960
one, so they see it near
area fifty one for the first time.

812
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:35,480
Is where they first catch a blip
of this thing, and then they track

813
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:42,360
it all the way to Phoenix and
along the way it supposedly went over Las

814
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,599
Vegas and what the for For anyone
who doesn't know what the Phoenix Lights are,

815
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:51,000
it seems to descriptions vary in terms
of the number of lights, but

816
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,039
the most common description that is that
it was basically seven lights in a v

817
01:02:55,199 --> 01:03:02,360
formation that traveled across Arizona and Nevada, apparently according to RON, a year

818
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,519
beginning near area fifty one, and
it travels down over the area and it

819
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:13,960
is witnessed by thousands of people all
across the area that I was actually asked

820
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:19,880
recently why it's a historically significant case, and I said, the reason it's

821
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,880
historically significant is that we can still
talk to This isn't like Roswell where we've

822
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:30,519
lost all the pertinent witnesses. This
is we're still able to go talk to

823
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:35,639
these people and learn from them if
people actually do that, and that that

824
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,559
every year, more and more witnesses
are coming forward that claimed they saw,

825
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,639
you know, the Phoenix lights.
So I think it's important just just for

826
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:45,800
that reason. But yeah, the
lights were seeing all across the area.

827
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:52,599
They go over the the city of
Phoenix, they actually hover over the Sky

828
01:03:52,639 --> 01:04:00,079
Harbor International Airport. They're they're seen
on their radar by air traffic controllers who

829
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:04,599
claimed that the craft This was stated
by air traffic controllers that the craft that

830
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:10,239
was seen on radar was over a
mile wide. So whatever this thing was,

831
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,840
it was it was huge, it
was silent, and it seemed to

832
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:20,880
want to be seen. And the
event was sort of laughed off by Governor

833
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:27,159
Fife Symington, who later came out
as being a witness of the of the

834
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,920
Phoenix lights. And it's gone down
in history is one of the most important

835
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,000
mass sightings in US history. Yeah, it was just h I forget the

836
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:39,760
was a hailbop. I can't remember
the comment. Yeah it was a hailbop.

837
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,559
Yeah, people are outside just to
watch that, and that's why,

838
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:45,880
you know, it was a clear
nights. So many sis and you know,

839
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,320
some people claimed that it blacked out
the stars up above, and and

840
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:56,239
another person said it looked like a
wave, a heat wave, like you

841
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,800
could see rippling, you know,
through it. But still you know the

842
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:06,320
fact that it was silent. It
was huge. If that technology, if

843
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:12,960
that was military technology in nineteen ninety
seven, it would be you know,

844
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,719
amazing that it wouldn't be used,
you know, somewhere somehow, or we

845
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:20,360
wouldn't know something about it by this
time. I would think, so,

846
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:24,440
yeah, I agreed, Yeah,
And it's it's cool to me too,

847
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,559
just just from like, you know, like what interests me about all this

848
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:31,159
a lot of times is how culturally
it impacts the area where where the events

849
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:38,719
take place. And to see Phoenix, that that event has been embraced in

850
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,760
a way by by the city of
Phoenix now to the point where the Historical

851
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,960
Society has an entire exhibit sort of
dedicated to the Phoenix Lights that you can

852
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,480
walk through. So there's there's little
things like that that are I think important

853
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:56,679
just from a euthological sort of incident
standpoint. Right, I didn't even know

854
01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:00,119
about that until I watched her film. I didn't know they had a a

855
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:02,960
little museum set up. I didn't
realize either Yeah, and that's in that

856
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:08,559
is in the historical society. That
is that is as that is as legitimate

857
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:13,519
as you can get. Yeah.
Yeah, there's illustrations. There's like there's

858
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:17,039
a hanging craft, you know,
showing you know, what most people saw

859
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:25,360
thought they saw. And yeah,
and you know it is interesting that Fife

860
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,719
Symington, as you mentioned, you
know, first of all, kind of

861
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:35,400
ridiculed the situation his claim with that
alien you know that came in and uh,

862
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,760
you know, his his uh a
friend or whatever came in and an

863
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,599
alien costume him and said here's the
culprit and all that. But you know,

864
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,000
according to him, he was trying
to release the tension because the phone

865
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,280
was ringing off the hook and you
know, he had a lot of a

866
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,400
lot of people to answer to.
You wanted to give a shout out to

867
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:58,960
someone that's in the chat room,
right, Gary Treiber, who I talked

868
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,360
about earlier, was actually in there. So I'm not sure he's if he's

869
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,679
still in there, but yeah,
if Gary, if Gary's in there,

870
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,320
shout out to Gary. And it
was funny when I met Gary. We

871
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,800
actually interviewed Gary for on the trail
of UFLOS, but I had met him

872
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:17,119
weeks prior at the Mothman Festival in
West Virginia, which was kind of a

873
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:21,079
strange coincidence because I had I had
no idea who he was at the time,

874
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:26,760
and then I wound up interviewing him
for something completely unrelated in a state,

875
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,360
you know, three states away a
few weeks later. So that was

876
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,440
that was one of those weird synchronicityes, right right. The Mothman is another

877
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,840
thing that is bizarre. I know
this is a show about UFOs, but

878
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,079
occasionally we'll talk about other topics and
I don't mind talking about that. But

879
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:47,440
before I asked you about that,
what is this Bell Witch? I don't

880
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,920
know exactly what. You call it? The Mark of the Bell? Yeah,

881
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,920
what is that exactly? Uh,
there's there was a case from the

882
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,920
eighteen hundreds where off the Bell family
and Adams, Tennessee, we're haunted by

883
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:11,159
a disembodied sort of voice and experienced
a number of strange sort of poulter Geist

884
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:18,279
activity around their home. We're going
to make a movie that examines what that

885
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:24,079
story entailed, because it's never actually
just been straight retold by anyone. You

886
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,520
have a lot of the typical like
ghost hunting shows with people running through houses

887
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:33,000
with night vision on. But no
one's ever done a historical documentary about that

888
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:35,680
case. So we're going to do
that, and then we're also going to

889
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:43,319
we've thankfully made some really good contacts
locally in Adams and we have some leads

890
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,119
on some present day activity that we're
really excited to get into as well.

891
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,720
Wow, so there's a lot.
There's a lot to that story that we're

892
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:54,960
we're going to unpack, I think
when we get into that and the Mothman

893
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:59,039
up. So what did you you
mentioned earlier? I believe you said something

894
01:08:59,079 --> 01:09:01,199
like there was actually you fo sightings. I didn't. I didn't. Well,

895
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:08,079
oh yeah, yeah, the Mothman, the sixties flap that took place

896
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:13,520
in that Everyone sort of knows the
Mothman because of the nineteen sixty six and

897
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,600
sixty seventh flap. That whole thing
was kicked off by the injured cold Woody

898
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:24,000
Darrenburger encounter. I'm assuming you've heard
of that. I have not. Okay,

899
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,960
may by something else, but I
don't know of that. No.

900
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:32,760
Yeah. The Grinning Man, as
he was called Woodrow Darrenburger was a salesman

901
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:39,239
that lived in in a town called
Mineral Wells, West Virginia, and he

902
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,800
was on his way home one night
from Parkersburg, West Virginia. He's driving

903
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,520
down seventy seventh South, which would
have been a two lane highway at the

904
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,520
time. Today it's a big highway, but at the time it's just two

905
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:54,359
lane highways. Driving home, he
sees a craft in the sky. Craft

906
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,439
drives over the highway lands next to
the highway. He pulls to the side

907
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:04,800
of the road and a hatch on
this craft, which he described it as

908
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:11,399
looking like an upturned or a kerosene
lantern, like turned on its side essentially,

909
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,079
or a chimney from the kerosene lantern, I think is how we put

910
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:18,560
it. The hatch on the door
opens and outsteps this man that has a

911
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:26,760
very eerie grin who walks toward the
car and telepathically communicates with Woodrow Darrenburger that

912
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:33,239
he is a man named injuried Cold
from the planet Lannulus. Okay, so

913
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:39,640
that kicks off that kicks off that
event is actually what kicks off the moth

914
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,319
Man event. And very often those
two things are tied together. They're not

915
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,199
like, they don't seem to have
anything in common other than the fact that

916
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,720
mineral Wells is about an hour from
point Pleasant. So two weird things happening

917
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,039
in the span of like two nights. Apparently that's enough to connect them.

918
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,520
But with that UFO sighting the inciting
to kick off. Obviously, the Mothman

919
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:08,079
was a six foot tall creature with
a ten foot wingspan of red eyes that

920
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,079
was seen all around the Ohio Valley
during that time period and really all of

921
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,319
Appalachia. But what most people seem
to leave out of this for some unknown

922
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:20,840
reason, is that during the starting
in like nineteen sixty four and continuing well

923
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:27,319
into the nineteen seventies, there was
a pretty much endless wave of UFO activity

924
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:31,319
around West Virginia and to the point
where we were making when we were making

925
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:34,560
our Flatwoods Monster movie, we were
in the town of Flatwoods, and Flatwoods

926
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,560
is central West Virginia. It is
smack dab in the middle of West Virginia.

927
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,760
It is as West Virginia. When
you think West Virginia, this is

928
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:47,239
what you're probably calling to your mind. It's like back roads, would you

929
01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:51,000
know, like gravel roads. It's
hills and hollers, it's people living up

930
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,880
in the middle of nowhere. You
know that don't wear shoes and drink a

931
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,520
lot of moonshine and that kind of
thing. And when you we were making

932
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:03,399
that movie, we came to interview
a witness who told us about her parents

933
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:11,520
seeing or her grandparents, actually her
mama and papa seeing UFOs almost on a

934
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,800
nightly basis between like nineteen sixty five
and nineteen seventy seven, to the point

935
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:23,560
where they saw UFOs landing behind their
barn. And I asked her, I

936
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,079
said, that would have been at
the height of sort of the Mothman stuff

937
01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:28,760
too, right sixty six and sixty
seven. She said, yes, that

938
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,239
was right in right in that time
period. And she said that it wasn't

939
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:35,119
just them, it was people all
around the states. So a lot of

940
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:40,960
people think during sixty six and sixty
seven when the Mothman sidings were going on,

941
01:12:41,039 --> 01:12:44,199
and a lot of this is because
of John Keel, And in fact,

942
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:46,319
like I'm sorry, I'm not trying
to get off track, artist like

943
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:54,760
Keel. Keel came two point pleasant
to do a story on UFOs being seen

944
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,640
around West Virginia for Playboy, so
he was in. John Kiel came to

945
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,520
point, wasn't for that reason,
not really to cover the Mothman. It

946
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,760
was because of the UFO wave.
So he's there covering the UFO wave and

947
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:11,479
then the Mothman stuff starts happening.
And what's really interesting is people always try

948
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,359
to tie the Mothman to like the
Silver Bridge collapse, right, because the

949
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,760
Silver Bridge collapsed forty seven lives were
lost. You can't really do it.

950
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:25,640
There weren't sightings of the Mothman over
the bridge, but there were sightings of

951
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,720
UFOs all up and down the Ohio
River in the days ahead of the collapse

952
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,760
and in the days afterward. And
I'm not blaming I'm not blaming the UFOs

953
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,880
for collapsing the bridge. I'm just
saying people like to draw that line,

954
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:40,840
but they completely leave out the UFO
aspect of that story. So there's there

955
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,479
were There were major waves that were
taking place all over the region at that

956
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,199
time, to the point where the
Charleston I want to say it's the Herald

957
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,680
Standard, I think is the name
of the local paper there. They had

958
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,760
a beat reporter who we interviewed for
The moth Made a point pleasant movie,

959
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,479
who told us that they had a
UFO desk. It was there were so

960
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,920
many reports coming in. They had
a UFO desk with a guy stationed on

961
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:12,039
the phone to take UFO reports throughout
the day. Mary Hire, who wrote

962
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,680
Who took a lot of the initial
Mothman reports and lived in Point Pleasant despite

963
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:23,880
working for the Athens, Ohio newspaper. She did a newspaper column called Where

964
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,479
the Waters Mingle, And it started
out as like her little slice of life

965
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,720
column, and then over time morphed
into her just like telling people's weird encounter

966
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:40,039
stories from around the area, and
the bulk of that column became her relating

967
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:45,159
ufocases. People people around the town
of Point Pleasant and around Gallop Police,

968
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:50,000
Ohio, and all around that Ohio
River Valley area seeing UFOs during that sixty

969
01:14:50,039 --> 01:14:57,800
six sixty seven and into the early
seventies. What were they describing the UFOs?

970
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:03,760
Like every everything under the sun?
Really you had you had the most

971
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:09,319
traditional thing that we've found is the
description that we found a sort of just

972
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:13,840
lights in the sky. But uh, you know, like you had your

973
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:19,640
classic flying saucers. You had a
cigar shaped object that hovered was seen hovering

974
01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:29,239
over a school end Point Pleasant.
You had a case from uh nineteen sixty

975
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:35,199
seven where a teacher from Point Pleasant
was driving down the road that connects UH

976
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:40,319
Point Pleasant to the T and D
factory area, which is where sort of

977
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:44,119
the first sightings of the Mothman took
place at the T ANDT Factory area.

978
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:47,680
She was driving down that road and
claimed that she saw a UFO flying in

979
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:54,199
the sky. She saw the Mothman
streak across the sky and seemingly go into

980
01:15:54,279 --> 01:16:00,479
a door on the on the UFO. So so during during that him period

981
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,840
of One of my favorite stories that
gets left out of all of this a

982
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:08,399
lot is a sighting that was actually
related by I can't remember if this is

983
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:13,560
two women or two men that were
driving down seventy seven North the same night

984
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:21,479
as Woodrow Darrenburger's encounter, who claimed
that they saw a similarly shaped craft land

985
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:26,239
on the side of the road and
two men in coveralls get out of it,

986
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:33,279
and that that sighting would almost corroborate
to some extent Woodrow Darrenburger. But

987
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:36,800
that story, for some reason,
it never really gets talked about. But

988
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,119
they're, you know, like part
of the part of the problem is that

989
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:45,199
Kiel's book is so disjointed. And
I love Kiel and I love his research,

990
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:48,840
but that book is so disjointed and
it becomes more about him than it

991
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:57,000
does the case, and a lot
of the details of those sixties UFO aspects

992
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,039
of the story get sort of glossed
over in favor of like the men in

993
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:06,119
black and the prophecies that he was
receiving. Wow, very interesting. We

994
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:11,000
are now taking calls. I actually
see the phone ringing. We have a

995
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:14,840
screener over there. Race, I'll
talk to you. And that phone number

996
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:21,439
is eight five five four seven two
five four eight three, And I see

997
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:28,760
the phone ring and I don't see
it being picked up, So keep calling

998
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,560
now there it goes. Okay,
so we'll have a call here in just

999
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:38,079
a moment that you know. That
whole thing is fascinating. I never ever

1000
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:43,800
heard the the UFO aspect of this. I've heard a lot about the Mothman.

1001
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:49,560
Now, was, as far as
you know, was the Mothman as

1002
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:56,520
popular before that blockbuster movie? I
mean, we're not really okay, Yeah,

1003
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,840
but I don't know why, because
the movie was popular, but it

1004
01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:02,880
isn't popular enough where you would see
it rocket to the sort of like top

1005
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:08,279
cultural mainstay that it's become today.
So I don't know. There is something

1006
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:15,800
about the Mothman's story and the Mothman
as a character quote unquote character that has

1007
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:21,079
appeal in ways that something like Bigfoot
doesn't even have anymore. It seems to

1008
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:26,640
draw the attention of a younger audience, especially much more than than some of

1009
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:31,479
the other paranormal subjects that we've looked
into. But I also think there's way

1010
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:36,680
more sightings than than we realize.
I'm making. I'm making a follow up

1011
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:43,640
to The mothmana point pleasant called the
Mothman Legacy that tracks sightings from nineteen sixty

1012
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,199
seven up till present day. So
the first movie was about sixty six and

1013
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:49,960
sixty seven sort of ended with the
collapse of the Silver Bridge, but that

1014
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:55,479
bridge collapse didn't didn't sort of signal
an end to the sightings. There were

1015
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,760
sightings along and after that in their
sightings today, but we had no We've

1016
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,760
had no problem. I'm finding witnesses, which is one of the first times

1017
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,920
I've run into that where you can
basically throw a stone and you'll hit someone

1018
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:11,079
who wants to tell you their moth
Man's sighting story. Wow, that's great.

1019
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,039
We have Andy whoops. Yeah,
I think I'm going on the air.

1020
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:18,640
Yeah, Andy on the air from
Connecticut. How are you doing Andy,

1021
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:23,000
How you doing, guys, I'm
doing it well. How you have

1022
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:27,520
a question for our guest tonight,
Yes, sir, My question for Seth

1023
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,800
is kind of a two part is
is he aware of what is his opinion

1024
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:39,640
on the cluster of sightings in the
Chicago area of winged humanoids, some of

1025
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:44,239
which are very similar to moth Man? And then part two, i'll take

1026
01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:49,199
your answer off the air, would
be does Seth have a theory on everything

1027
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:58,319
somewhat into maybe Paul or ben Eno? Is there a connection between all paranormal

1028
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,119
activity? And I'll take your answer
up there. Thank you, guys,

1029
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:05,479
good job, Yeah, thank you
And all right. Yeah, the we're

1030
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:10,760
actually going to make an on the
trail of the Lake Michigan moth Man,

1031
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:15,079
so that'll track those Chicago sightings.
And we've actually covered that topic already in

1032
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,720
our movie that came out last year
called Terror in the Skies, where we

1033
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:24,199
tracked winged creature sightings all around the
state of Illinois going back centuries. But

1034
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:29,199
yeah, my knowledge of that case
comes from the minimal amount of time I

1035
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:30,920
spent on the case when we were
making Terror in the Skies. That story

1036
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,119
only makes up about eleven minutes of
that movie, but we're going to do

1037
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:39,039
a full ninety minute look at the
case. All I can tell you is

1038
01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:43,520
that there's a lot more to it
than you would think just by looking into

1039
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,960
it. My initial outlook on the
Chicago Mothman stuff was that it was more

1040
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:55,399
than likely made up of misidentifications and
hoaxes. But in listening to what Tobias

1041
01:20:55,399 --> 01:21:00,239
Wayland is sort of uncovered in his
research into that case, it seems like

1042
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:09,000
there's a lot of sightings that are
going on that are much more believable and

1043
01:21:09,119 --> 01:21:14,279
verifiable than what was initially reported.
And we're now talking hundred, not hundreds,

1044
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:17,239
but well over one hundred sightings that
stretch back to twenty seventeen, and

1045
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,840
they're not just relegated to Chicagos.
It's probably worth mentioning as well. They

1046
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,640
were going to call the movie the
Lake Michigan on the Trail of the Lake

1047
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:32,800
Michigan Mothman, because they stretch that
whole Lake Erie or Lake Michigan shoreline and

1048
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:38,960
towns. You know in Indiana,
Illinois, Michigan. There's there's people that

1049
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,239
are seeing things all over that area. So I'm very familiar with it.

1050
01:21:42,359 --> 01:21:45,920
I'm not as well versed in it
as I will be in about a month

1051
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,600
when we when we shoot that that
series. And as far as like having

1052
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,119
a theory of everything, I do
not have a theory of everything, and

1053
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:59,880
I don't ever subscribe to theories of
everything. I think it's trying to try

1054
01:22:00,119 --> 01:22:05,640
to neatly tie everything together with a
bow. Won't happen. Albert, there's

1055
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,840
Albert Einstein couldn't do it. Yeah, I just don't. I just don't.

1056
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,399
I just don't think it's I just
don't think it's doable. And I

1057
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,760
know, I know, you know, John Kiel talked about the ultra terrestrials

1058
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,920
and all that kind of stuff,
and that was all sort of aimed at

1059
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,720
uniting everything, coming up with a
common, unifying theory for what was the

1060
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,000
cause of it. And I just
don't think that's You're not gonna I don't

1061
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,199
think that's what we're what we're dealing
with. I think Paul, you know,

1062
01:22:32,359 --> 01:22:35,640
Paul and Benny, you know their
their theory is more or less.

1063
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:40,319
He's been on the show quite a
few times, and I think it's more

1064
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:46,279
a less a little long along the
lines of interdimensional is how he explains that.

1065
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:53,920
Now have Dirk, Dirk is calling
from Pennsylvania. Welcome to the show,

1066
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:59,439
Dirk R. Thanks for calling the
show. I got three things on

1067
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:05,840
foot. Oddly enough, have you
done anything on Bill Munn's the guy who

1068
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:13,640
restored the Patterson Gimwin and he's a
monster makeup guy from Hollywood. He did

1069
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:18,279
some excellent work. Yeah, I'm
I'm very familiar with the work he's done

1070
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:23,479
on the Patterson Gimwin film. I
haven't connected with him yet, but I'm

1071
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,439
actually hoping to in the next year
or so. That would be great because

1072
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,680
I think all of his information has
gotten buried under a bunch of not very

1073
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,239
good stuff. Well most of what
most of what goes on, most of

1074
01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:42,760
what goes on with Bigfoot these days
is not very good. So I just

1075
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,800
think it's entertaining. And I have
a problem with momos. He only has

1076
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,840
three toes. There aren't any Basically, there's hardly any mammals at all with

1077
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,560
three toes. Everything has five,
including whales. If they looked at their

1078
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,159
skelton, they have five fingers.
Perfectly. Yeah, I mean, everything

1079
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,880
just can't be Yeah. And what's
weird about that is there were a rash

1080
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:10,600
of sightings, or not sightings,
but findings in the seventies of three toed

1081
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:15,359
casts, including Stan Gordon actually found
some on the Chestnut Ridge, and they

1082
01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:20,560
seemed to be in areas where people
were seeing you know, bigfoot like creatures.

1083
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,159
That was one of the stranger things
about about the sightings of Momo was

1084
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:28,560
that they were finding these three toed
casts. At least one of the really

1085
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:33,159
famous track ways we know was faked
by this girl we actually interviewed for Momo

1086
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:39,199
the Missouri Monster, and she too, she recalled actually faking the trackway when

1087
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:43,600
she was a kid. But the
same thing actually happened with the Boggy Creek

1088
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,479
Monster, the Falcon Monster. They
the tracks they were finding were we're three

1089
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,720
toed or appeared to be three toed
down there as well. So during the

1090
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:58,640
seventies there was either like an abnormally
number high number of three toed bigfoot running

1091
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,520
around, which again like I'm like
you, I don't think that that can

1092
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:06,640
be, or there were a lot
of hoaxes, or there was misidentification of

1093
01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:11,720
tracks that were you know, bear
steps or something. There's something going on

1094
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,840
there. Yeah, that actually brings
me to my last point pretty well,

1095
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:23,680
actually question the bray Road Beast.
What that has gotten so popular now everybody

1096
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,600
is seeing these things everywhere, and
that's kind of weird to me. I

1097
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,199
think it's kind of like those three
toad things things. People get it in

1098
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:34,079
their head and then they just start
seeing it. Yeah. What I always

1099
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:38,720
say is that people people want to
be a part of the story, so

1100
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,760
so that that is a problem you
get. You get case contamination, where

1101
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:49,439
people the more popular a story becomes, the less you can believe immediately every

1102
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,640
single thing that people tell you.
And obviously you always want to try to

1103
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,800
trust the witnesses, but you you
can't necessarily believe every single thing you're told.

1104
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,439
So, yeah, that the hot
cryptid right now seems to be dog

1105
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,920
Man, and I don't know I
would I mean, it would be cool

1106
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,920
to say it was because our movie
The Bray Road Beast that came out a

1107
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,359
year and a half ago. It
was a big hit, but I don't

1108
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:16,319
think I could take credit for that. So I don't know if there's It

1109
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:19,600
does seem like there's more and more
sightings every year of what they call dog

1110
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:25,239
Man, and I don't know what
that is attributable too. I have no

1111
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:29,159
idea, and the sightings are so
strange. I do know a lot of

1112
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:33,520
the quadruped reports seem to just be
you know, like coy wolves or some

1113
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:42,560
sort of wolf hybrid since those those
reports very often do not actually entail a

1114
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:47,640
like a wolf on a time legs. Very often it's just a abnormally large

1115
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,840
wolf running on four legs. I
think my favorite was the one wearing a

1116
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:57,560
hat and smoking a cigarette. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that guy.

1117
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,560
Wow. All right, A lots
better about your movie space all right,

1118
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,399
Yeah, we're going to talk about
how people can watch the movies too here

1119
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:12,800
before before the end of the show, definitely. So we also have Josh.

1120
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,279
He's calling, I think from the
north part of the Hudson Valley,

1121
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:20,399
Albany, New York. Josh,
how you doing. I'm wonderful. How

1122
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:25,960
are you guys? Good? Good? You have a question for our guest

1123
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:35,000
tonight. Yeah, totally. I've
enjoyed your conversations very much. I called

1124
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:40,600
Martin. I called when you had
Gary Hesselton on, and I asked about

1125
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,600
I spoke to him about my setting
of an object with the barbershop type pole

1126
01:27:45,159 --> 01:27:53,720
light on it. So, but
now I'm calling because Seth, I actually

1127
01:27:54,159 --> 01:28:00,840
found your work a while ago without
knowing it was your work. The the

1128
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:05,920
movie The Chestnut. Yeah that you
had mentioned earlier that most people will find

1129
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:13,760
you through Yeah. Yeah, that's
the first time I had seen anything from

1130
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:20,640
you. I did. I enjoyed
it very much, and I'm super looking

1131
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:30,079
forward to the new series. I
myself am a writer and filmmaker. It's

1132
01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:36,520
part of the reason I moved to
New York from Massachusetts. Cool. I'm

1133
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:45,279
wondering if you have any advice on
on how I can get myself out there,

1134
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:53,119
if you can talk about how you
yourself. I mean, yeah,

1135
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:57,520
anytime anyone asks for advice, I
have a couple of things to say,

1136
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:02,560
and they're always abnormal from what I
hear from other filmmakers. But really,

1137
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:09,000
like the first bit of advice is
to be too dumb to fail, because

1138
01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:14,640
I genuinely I believe that's where I'm
at. Like I'm I wouldn't even say

1139
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,479
we're like a raging success. I
mean, you know, like we were

1140
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,640
I make movies for a living,
but you know, like we're not.

1141
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:24,760
We're not Hollywood, we're not millionaires. We just get to do what we

1142
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:30,319
love and I think that in itself
is a success. But yeah, yeah,

1143
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:35,560
but there's a certain stupidity in what
I do and that what we do

1144
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:40,600
has never been done before as a
company. I can tell you that as

1145
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:45,359
someone who who has an agent,
who's talked to other people, who understands

1146
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:50,479
that our business model is not a
model you can follow, and and there's

1147
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:56,800
no blueprint for what we do.
And at times there's been there have been

1148
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,399
times where we should have quit,
where I should have realized, I'm putting

1149
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:05,600
my I'm putting myself in financial distress, I'm putting my wife through financial distress.

1150
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:10,760
I should probably call it a day, and I was too dumb to

1151
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:15,600
do that. And so there is
a certain element of putting your head down

1152
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:21,159
and just bulldozing forward and being persistent
in what you're doing that goes into becoming

1153
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:25,159
a success. And then the other
thing is just to really work, and

1154
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:29,319
I mean like really really work and
to you know, like if you if

1155
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:33,239
you look at I'm a big basketball
fan, I'm weirdly enough, I've in

1156
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:35,880
the last couple of years, I've
become a sports guy. I never was

1157
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:41,000
growing up, but today I am
for some reason. And one thing I

1158
01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:45,960
look at a lot is those guys
they never stop working at what they do.

1159
01:30:46,039 --> 01:30:49,880
So basketball players they just play basketball. They're constantly shooting. They're constantly

1160
01:30:50,199 --> 01:30:56,000
working on their shot, free throws
whatever. It's the same concept with filmmaking.

1161
01:30:56,079 --> 01:31:00,319
Like all my free time that it
isn't spent with my wife and kid,

1162
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:05,680
I am watching YouTube tutorials on how
to edit better, better editing techniques.

1163
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:11,039
I'm trying to teach myself different aspects
of filmmaking that I don't know how

1164
01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:14,560
to do so I can help us
save money. During the production and on

1165
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,760
the trail of UFOs, I had
to teach myself how to do effects work

1166
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,479
because our budget ran out, Like
we just didn't have money to keep hiring

1167
01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:24,960
freelancers to do effects work, so
I had to teach myself how to do

1168
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,359
it. So there's a there's also
just a certain element of just you've got

1169
01:31:29,359 --> 01:31:32,279
to keep your head down and work
really, really hard. Josh, thanks

1170
01:31:32,319 --> 01:31:36,680
for the call, Thanks for the
answer. You guys to have a good

1171
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,960
night, all right too. So
the line is open, and that number

1172
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:45,840
again is eight five five four seven
two five four eight three. Yeah,

1173
01:31:45,399 --> 01:31:49,640
I agree, hard work as Uh, maybe I'm I've been a little too

1174
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:55,279
dumb for this show. I just
keep going when things come at me.

1175
01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:01,479
But but it's still interesting and still
you have to have a passion for something

1176
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,159
otherwise why bother. And you just
made a really good point. If you

1177
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:12,560
if you love what you have to
do, then that success. And I'm

1178
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,039
lucky for what I actually have to
do for work. I really love what

1179
01:32:15,119 --> 01:32:20,199
I do, and so that's it's
all good stuff and it must be.

1180
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:25,079
I can't imagine, you know.
I've been a little bit involved in a

1181
01:32:25,079 --> 01:32:29,920
film with a friend of mine over
the years, you know, many years

1182
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:34,319
ago. Actually it's so much fun. It's to me, it's not like,

1183
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:39,479
not like working at all good stuff. Yeah, my wife asked me

1184
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:45,399
what the most monotonous part of my
my job is, and I said,

1185
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:48,760
it's never the stuff you think it
would It's not like the editing. Like

1186
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,680
I love all the aspects of editing, even when I'm sitting here in my

1187
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:56,119
computer keeps crashing as I'm trying to
run renders and stuff, you know,

1188
01:32:56,159 --> 01:33:00,000
like you compared to sitting at a
desk doing data. And I'll take this

1189
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,920
any day. But you know,
for me, it's never it's never the

1190
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:08,479
things you think it would be.
You know. I love obviously, I

1191
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:14,279
love the travel and filming on location, but even teaching myself the minuscule amount

1192
01:33:14,279 --> 01:33:16,560
of effects work I did on the
trail of UFOs I had a blast with.

1193
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:21,239
So I'll go home tonight and I'll
watch tutorials when I get When I

1194
01:33:21,239 --> 01:33:25,119
get home, that's like, that's
what I do in the evening, I

1195
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:30,159
watch various videos about filmmaking. Yeah, yeah, we're in a time where

1196
01:33:30,199 --> 01:33:32,079
you can do that. I mean, yeah, you know, twenty years

1197
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:35,560
ago that would be unheard of,
unfollowed. Yeah, I mean, honestly,

1198
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:39,479
I wish I had said this to
Josh. But like, don't don't

1199
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,319
buy I mean maybe you already did, but don't buy into the idea that

1200
01:33:42,359 --> 01:33:45,880
you have to go to film school
because at this point there's more you could

1201
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,920
go on YouTube and learn more than
you would going to going to film school.

1202
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:55,560
I took. I took a film
course on a website taught by Werner

1203
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:00,159
Herzog. Like that's not something you
could have done five years ago, you

1204
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:02,960
know. Yeah, so pretty awesome. One thing we haven't done yet,

1205
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:09,119
and that is we haven't talked about
when and where. Isn't the release today

1206
01:34:09,319 --> 01:34:14,000
or no, the official release date
is actually March twentieth, so it's still

1207
01:34:14,079 --> 01:34:16,199
it's still coming up. We're still
we're still a little ways out, but

1208
01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:20,239
it's a link now an active link, or there is yeah, pre orders

1209
01:34:20,319 --> 01:34:24,039
for the series. There's two ways
to pre order. You can pre order

1210
01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:29,720
through the website at small toomasters dot
com or you can guarantee a copy when

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you back the There's a kickstarter that
we run. We run a kickstarter at

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the start of every year and that's
how we fund everything we do through the

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year. And we launched our kickstarter
two weeks ago. We're one hundred and

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01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,159
nineteen or one hundred and seventeen percent
funded now, so we already reached our

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01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:48,600
goal. So we set a stretch
goal, and once we reached the stretch

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goal, we will be doing our
best to get on the trail of the

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01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:56,560
Lake Michigan Mothman out this year,
in addition to the other three projects we

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01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,760
haven't have coming out. So if
people want to look up the kickstarter all

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01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,319
the informations on small Town Monsters dot
com, well, that obviously is an

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01:35:02,359 --> 01:35:08,239
attestment to your work if you're getting
funded like that, because there are many

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01:35:08,279 --> 01:35:13,119
many people that try to do those
fund raisers and nothing happens. So I

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01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:15,680
think it's I think it's started working
and then also the rewards are really cool,

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01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:19,960
Like we put we put a lot
of effort and time and money back

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01:35:20,039 --> 01:35:25,079
into the campaign, So basically what
people put into the Kickstarter they get back

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01:35:25,079 --> 01:35:29,159
in their rewards. So there's like
this year we added Blu Ray copies,

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01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:30,920
so if people want to see you
on the trail of UFOs and you've seen

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01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:36,520
it, so like the scenery in
itself would be worth watching the series in

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01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,319
my opinion. I mean, obviously
I'm the guy that made it, but

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seeing it on Blu Ray is going
to be incredible. I'm actually really excited

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about that. Very I noticed that
also whatever you're using for a camera is

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01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:53,279
very good, and also that you're
editing. If you're doing it yourself,

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01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:57,279
it's pretty impressive. I told that
to Alejandro the other day when I was

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talking with them. Thank you Yeah
cool. Yeah, So I really that's

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one good thing about doing the show
like I do, I get to see

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things before everyone else. So I
like that, and you know, it

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01:36:11,079 --> 01:36:15,119
makes me actually want to see some
of your other work. So I'm actually

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01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:18,279
even though I do the show on
UFOs, the other topics I do find

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01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:25,479
pretty interesting. So let's talk.
We've got about five five or six minutes

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01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,039
left. Let's talk a little bit
more about some of the cases that you

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01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,640
researched while you were doing this series. Yeah, I realized after the fact

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01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:38,439
that I cut myself off because we
that first trip was only the first of

1242
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,359
three trips. The next one took
us to the East Coast. We actually

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01:36:42,399 --> 01:36:47,199
started in Florida and worked our way
up to New Hampshire, with stops in

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01:36:47,359 --> 01:36:54,239
Manhattan and the Hudson Valley, North
Carolina, to shoot an episode on the

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01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:58,960
Brown Mountain lights. And I mean, that's probably worth talking about real quick.

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01:36:59,079 --> 01:37:03,119
Is episode number six, which is
titled I'm Gonna let It Shine or

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01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:06,000
just let it Shine, I think, which is my little nod to that

1248
01:37:08,079 --> 01:37:12,720
hymn that my parents used to sing
when I as a kid. But it's

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01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,680
an episode that's entirely about mystery lights, and that's a subject that is very

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01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:25,680
often ignored or overlooked when it comes
to UAPs. And you know, I

1251
01:37:26,079 --> 01:37:29,960
knew making the series that it would
be a bit of a stretch to include

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01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,560
mystery lights in a series about UFOs. But thankfully, like some of our

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01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:40,199
winter our interview subjects did a great
job of tying it back into uphology and

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01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:45,520
I thought overall that that that episode
did a much better job of sort of

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01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:53,760
expanding on how large in scale the
the UAP subject is. But we went

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01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,359
we actually went to Brown Mountain where
the Brown Mountain Lights are seen, and

1257
01:37:56,399 --> 01:38:00,920
we interviewed Mika Hanks about about the
Brown Mountain lights, and then we interviewed

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01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:02,680
we got to talk to two different
witnesses, two people that have claimed to

1259
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:09,159
seeing the Brown Mountain lights. We
interviewed a guy who had a sighting of

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01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:13,600
what you would I guess described as
like an orb near Asheville, New York,

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01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,560
while he was hiking with his friend. They were actually they were hiking

1262
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,000
near Asheville late at night. They
did night hiking. They were trying to

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01:38:21,039 --> 01:38:24,960
find a camping spot, and they
were in the middle of nowhere up in

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01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,880
these woods, and they came into
a pine forest and they encountered this glowing,

1265
01:38:30,319 --> 01:38:40,239
massive sphere in the air that approached
them. They were overcome with absolute

1266
01:38:40,319 --> 01:38:44,279
fear from what they told me,
and took off running and the thing actually

1267
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:49,600
followed them little ways. So that
episode is all about sort of that strange

1268
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:55,079
stuff. And then episode seven is
called The Taken, and that is our

1269
01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:58,840
abduction episode, and I you know, like, what we wanted to do

1270
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,199
with the series is give you some
of the high points, some of the

1271
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:04,439
key points of ufology, and obviously
one of those is going to be Betty

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01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:08,720
and Barney Hill. But we wanted
to do it in a way where it

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01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:14,600
didn't bog down people like yourself who
are very knowledgeable about the subject. So

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because I do understand the idea that
if you're sitting there and watching an episode

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01:39:18,399 --> 01:39:21,319
that spends twenty minutes on Betty and
Barney Hill, when you've already heard that

1276
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:26,000
story one hundred times, we're going
to lose you. So what we did

1277
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,319
there is, you know, like
we actually went to the White Mountains,

1278
01:39:28,319 --> 01:39:31,560
We went to the locations where the
Hills were, and that story is explained

1279
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:36,399
throughout the episode, but it's intertwined
with it's basically using the Betty and Barney

1280
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:44,720
Hill abduction events as a way to
explain how it's indicative of something much larger,

1281
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:49,840
and that's the abduction phenomenon in general. And we interviewed multiple experiencers,

1282
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:55,199
people who claim to be abducted or
have gone through abductions, and then we

1283
01:39:55,319 --> 01:40:00,119
sort of expand on that and get
into some of the theories why that's happening

1284
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:08,079
and what the purpose of it is. But the Hill's abduction was really important

1285
01:40:08,079 --> 01:40:13,680
to me to have involved. And
then John Horgan was kind enough to give

1286
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,920
us access to that interview with Betty
which was actually hurled last interview. I

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01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:23,960
think it was done in nineteen ninety
nine, and you'll actually see snippets of

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01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,199
that interview, and if you want
to, you can actually watch that whole

1289
01:40:27,239 --> 01:40:30,880
interview on YouTube. I think if
you search like the Secret or the Last,

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01:40:31,159 --> 01:40:35,760
it's either the Secret Betty Hill Interview
or the Last Betty Hill interview you'll

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01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:41,359
find that. But we were able
to use snippets of that interview and I

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01:40:41,359 --> 01:40:47,720
think that does a lot to really
heighten the tenseness of that episode. But

1293
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:53,760
yeah, there was also a trip
to Area fifty one we went on which

1294
01:40:53,800 --> 01:41:00,199
happened to coincide with the same day
that that storm Area fifty one event where

1295
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:03,000
a broke in the mainstream happened to
be the same day that we were driving

1296
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,239
out the Area fifty one, And
when we got out there, we had

1297
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:12,239
Facebook messages, we had we had
been live streaming of our drive out there.

1298
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:15,840
In four hundred and seventy five thousand
people ended up watching our live stream

1299
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,640
because it was going viral and someone
had shared that in that storm area fifty

1300
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:25,880
one group. So there were there
were a lot of incidents like that that

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01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:30,640
happened throughout the series. And I'm
trying to think of like some really key

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01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,199
cases and everything is slipping in my
mind, so I'm doing a terrible job

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01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:38,279
of that. Well, that's all
right. We have a one caller Bill

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01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,079
from New York Bill. We're gonna
have to make this quick because we only

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01:41:41,079 --> 01:41:45,039
got a couple of minutes left,
So go ahead. What is the picture

1306
01:41:45,079 --> 01:41:48,359
on the right hand side? In
the comments section, we had it narrowed

1307
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:56,199
down to an ant eater or Jesus
man. This is in YouTube. There's

1308
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:01,520
a video of us basically for the
cast listener. So we have on YouTube.

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01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:05,840
Seth's background has some posters, So
yeah, what do you have going

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01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:10,720
on? Back on the right hand
side? So this side, is that

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01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:15,640
what we're talking about? Because on
the far on the far side, the

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01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:20,119
white one, the small one looks
kind of like an ant eater from here

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01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:25,760
or it could be Jesus. We're
not sure Jesus. Jesus isn't in here.

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01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:31,399
There's there's uh, there's a there's
a Mothman poster, there's a Minerva

1315
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:35,279
Monster poster, and then like a
small Town Monsters compilation poster. Over here,

1316
01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:40,319
I've got an original lobby card from
the Legend of Boggy Creek. But

1317
01:42:40,359 --> 01:42:44,279
you might be looking at the what
is actually like a moth It's actually the

1318
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:49,039
poster has a full scale moth on
it. The other side the little one.

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01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,439
Oh, this one, that's what
I just said. That's a lobby

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01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:57,560
card. That's a lobby card from
the Legend of Boggy Creek and it's uh,

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01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,399
it's one of the it's one of
the characters falling through a window after

1322
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:06,039
being terrified by the Fouk Monster.
Wow. Hey, Bill, if you

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01:43:06,079 --> 01:43:10,640
weren't even close, I'm so that
was entertaining, Bill, So thank you

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01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:15,199
for the call. All right,
thanks, all right, So we just

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01:43:15,239 --> 01:43:17,840
have a couple of minutes left,
so are just like a minute or so

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01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:23,520
one more time if you would give
out the website where someone can go.

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01:43:24,359 --> 01:43:28,039
I saw there was on iTunes.
It's what other platforms are you going to

1328
01:43:28,119 --> 01:43:31,720
have that on? Yeah? So, so the big rollout for on the

1329
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:35,800
Trail of is going to hit Amazon
and Vimeo on demand right now. That

1330
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:43,000
is the only two planned release date
places, but we have a meeting tomorrow

1331
01:43:43,159 --> 01:43:47,960
that could affect that it could get
a much wider release. But all of

1332
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:53,399
our stuff is available on Amazon too, if you're if you're into cryptids and

1333
01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:56,279
all that, you can look up
small Town Monsters on Amazon and it'll take

1334
01:43:56,279 --> 01:43:59,800
you right to a landing page that
will link you back to pretty much every

1335
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,399
movie movie. And I know,
we just put up the Moment of the

1336
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:06,880
Missouri Monster on Amazon Prime, so
that's actually free for Prime subscribers. A

1337
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:10,880
lot of our movies are actually free
on Amazon right, so you could if

1338
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:15,079
you're going if you're listening to this
and you want to watch Invasion on Chestnut

1339
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:18,319
Ridge, and that's on there.
The Math Made a Point, Pleasant and

1340
01:44:18,359 --> 01:44:23,159
The Flatwood's Monster are not currently free
on Prime, but they're both on there,

1341
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:28,319
and everything is on there if you're
looking for if you're like an iTunes

1342
01:44:28,359 --> 01:44:30,720
Google Play user, you can look
up The Mathmada Point, Pleasant, Invasion

1343
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:35,039
on Chestnut Ridge, and Boggy Creek
Monster on there. You can learn more

1344
01:44:35,079 --> 01:44:39,800
about us at Smalltown Monsters dot com. On the trail of dot TV,

1345
01:44:40,039 --> 01:44:44,359
we post everything you can actually watch
on the Trail of big Foot free at

1346
01:44:44,399 --> 01:44:48,960
on the trail of dot tv,
And if you're interested in helping fund our

1347
01:44:49,079 --> 01:44:54,920
movies and getting some really cool rewards
in return, you can go on Kickstarter

1348
01:44:55,000 --> 01:45:00,560
and just search Smalltown Monsters or Mothman
or bell Witch or UFO those you should

1349
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,319
be able to to turn it up
that way. Thanks so much, Seth.

1350
01:45:02,359 --> 01:45:04,880
We are totally out of time.
I really appreciate it. Thanks for

1351
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:08,239
having me, all right, have
a good one. All right, everyone,

1352
01:45:08,319 --> 01:45:12,159
So thank you, and that's it
for our show tonight. Thank you

1353
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:15,720
so much for listening. We'll be
back next week with Dave Marler, and

1354
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:18,840
I want to thank everyone that is
listening and supports the show as well,

1355
01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:43,479
and remember to keep your eyes to
the sky.