WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:07.599 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:13.960 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services, Ensure Your most Prized Possessions, kat 3 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:18.320 z R two, SAG and iHeart Radio Station. Hey, good afternoon, 4 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:20.960 everybody. Welcome to II on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.120 I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jaken zoas h. Did you want to just think 6 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:27.640 today? Off to No, man, I want to work on this Friday 7 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.359 because because you're you're Yeah, I'm here. You work on a Friday. 8 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:37.880 You walk out the door and the skies open up, and you're you feel 9 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.280 good. You put in a good week of work. We've had a nice 10 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.439 week this week. We've had some fun guests. We had the big game 11 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.960 boomeron hold on up of softball coaches? Is it nine one one? Someone? 12 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:54.320 Someone stold Jay, it's been it's been a fun. Spatic guy. 13 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.000 I'm five nine, Well okay, technically I'm just a little on your fine. 14 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.240 I have a big head. Yeah you'll find it. If who's wearing 15 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:07.239 Dodger krap, Yeah you'll have no problem. Well no, actually, in 16 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.599 two sons, there's you know what, there's a lot of guys look like 17 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:19.439 me running around a lot of Mexicans with Dodgers shirt. Stubby Mexicans with big 18 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:25.400 heads and dodge it's too fast, that's not Hey, welcome everybody. Last 19 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:27.359 day for a while. We hope to have some fun. Let's talk about 20 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.599 a guest real quick, so we will forget about that, all right. 21 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.359 So you know, Arizona, you know, moved into the semi finals of 22 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.760 the Pac twelve baseball tournament. They're trying they're still trying to get into the 23 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:42.120 NC Double A tournament. There's some thought that if they win tonight against Stanford, 24 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:45.319 that could be enough. There's some thought that maybe they got to actually 25 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.760 win the tournament and get the automatic bid. But they're playing to night at 26 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.799 seven. Michael lev from the airs of The Daily Star, who's been covering 27 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.280 the team all year long and is up in Scottsdale with the team. Um, 28 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:57.159 he's gonna be on the show to preview the game a little bit. 29 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.959 Did you see the game last night with Stanford and Oregon? No, because 30 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.359 I'm following on Twitter and left said, it looks like Arizona is gonna play. 31 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.039 It looks like Oregon's gonna lose to Stanford, and then I see that 32 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:10.039 it was a fantastic Oregon came back and win the game, and I stumbled 33 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:13.520 on it. I stumbled on the last night. I was just combing through 34 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.240 some you know, numbers in and I saw a well I better stay it's 35 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:20.599 eating close game and then Oregon came back. It was fantastic game. I'll 36 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.400 tell something very sad. I was in bed by thirty least were you? 37 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:27.000 That's always I mean, the lights weren't out, but I was. I 38 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.360 was in the sack and old, are you? That's about right? You 39 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.680 get up at six? I know I don't. I don't have the tappy 40 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:38.520 yolka, I don't neat dinner at three thirty any of that. Uh but 41 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.479 uh so I kind of shut down around eight thirty or so. And but 42 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:45.360 I was found on Twitter and I saw that Mike Left said that it looks 43 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:49.280 like Stanford's gonna beat beat Oregon, and that meant Arizona was gonna play Washington. 44 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:53.159 I stopped pat It was until this morning that I saw that Arizona was 45 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.319 gonna play Stanford. Yeah, so that should be interesting game because they would 46 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.599 have been able to play Washington. I don't know it didn't Stoppen forgot to 47 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.960 beat who you gotta being exactly what I first thought was, you know, 48 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:06.520 you probably gotta beat Stanford, right. So we'll get to that point later 49 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:10.360 with Michael Evan a few other things in his role as the sports editor at 50 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:13.960 the Daily Start. And then in the second hour, we're gonna have Jake, 51 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:15.759 our guy, Jake. I'm gonna get on him for cheating on us 52 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:19.039 a little bit this week. Yeah, you know, what the hell, 53 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.599 But let's not say where he was say that. He he'll he'll joke about 54 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.000 that, Okay, Cool? Cool. You know I was thinking, I'm 55 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.719 sure you let's talk about the basketball game later. I was thinking, for 56 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.439 the first time in about a week, Uh, and I can't. I 57 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.039 wanted to ask you this, and maybe we'll go back and forth with this. 58 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:37.919 Uh, you've been here a long time, and I'm just gonna go 59 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.080 from the times I showed up here and you were a prominent sportswriter back back. 60 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.039 Uh. I wanted to ask you individually, and I'll say the same 61 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.080 thing. For the coaches. There's been one, two, but five, 62 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:55.159 but nine coaches men's basketball and football, men's basketball, football, Uh, 63 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.479 their legacies, what did they leave when I say, Dick told me, 64 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:01.599 what do you think his legacy was? And we can get some calls on 65 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:05.800 the super So we're gonna go down the list of the coaches and you could 66 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.960 be critical. Well, you know there's been four in basketball, five in 67 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:14.680 in football. I think I think Dick Tommy left sort of a blue collar, 68 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:19.519 uh, hard working, uh you know, diamond in the diamond in 69 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:25.079 the rough kind of program that you know, I think I think Dick Tommy 70 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:30.160 was the was a coach that kind of understood what Arizona was and and coached 71 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.519 within that. Yeah. Yeah, you know, that's a good way to 72 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.319 put it. Right. He wasn't gonna go out. I mean they tried 73 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.959 that one year to go out and get the five star and four star recruis 74 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.279 didn't get him. But you know, he was always finding guys and you 75 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.759 know, there there's some stars came out of Arizona who shouldn't have been stars 76 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:47.920 or didn't think you didn't think we're gonna be stars, and so he kind 77 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.759 of created that. I don't want to say blue collar because that but just 78 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:57.959 not you know nothing. It was his teams weren't made up of superstar high 79 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.480 school players. There were guys who came here, worked hard, made themselves 80 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.800 better, and it was hard to sustain winning. Yeah, because those guys 81 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:08.560 are hard to find. Sure, they're harder to find than the fight stars. 82 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.279 The five star guy coached them up right. But you see a guy 83 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.519 like Chuck Cecil and you go, how the hell, you know, does 84 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.040 a guy like Chuck Cecil become really good? How the hell does a guy 85 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:23.480 like like Teddy Bruski become you know, America? Those are the guys that 86 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.560 Dick told me as Yeah, so me. He was a father Flanagan type, 87 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.920 a guy who coached his guys up uh. And I think you're right. 88 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.600 Over the last thirty years, thirty five years since since this thing started, 89 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:40.839 uh uh kind of epitomizes the program. They are just a bunch of 90 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:45.480 dudes, a bunch of dudes who worked their butt off and played above their 91 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.439 level. And I think people, uh, back when it happened, and 92 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.839 you know, there's gonna meet in two thousand and you're thinking, Okay, 93 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.480 it's gonna be better. No it's not. It turned out to be, 94 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.319 No, it's not. Twenty three years later, you're wishing for the wish 95 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:02.560 people are And that was where I sort of established my my uh feeling that 96 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:09.000 Arizona was a team that a program that would win in cycles. Get a 97 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.560 group of guys coached him up, coach him up. Then they're gone, 98 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.480 and you kind of got to start over each time. And and you know 99 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.639 there were there there were two very you know good cycles. You know, 100 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.839 it cycled up in ninety three, you know, ninety four, a couple 101 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.319 of bad losses that you know, they missed the Rose Bowl by one game 102 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:28.360 in ninety four as well as ninety three. Then there's the ninety eight team, 103 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.560 and then then ninety nineteen kind of fell apart, and then you know, 104 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.199 then he couldn't It didn't look like he was cycling enough. People got 105 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:40.680 to and he quit after after the two thousand season, where people got all 106 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:43.079 over and saying, what you know, he wasn't getting there. It wasn't 107 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.720 getting there to the next level. Okay, so we go from there to 108 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:50.360 Macovic dumper just a big steaming pilot. But put him in the dumper. 109 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:55.439 Yeah, just two years right too. Probably well he was here to year, 110 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:57.879 but the two and a half year it was the worst thing that Living 111 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.839 Good did the whole time he was here. Jim living Good made that hire. 112 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.120 I remember when they hired him. I thought, Okay, let's see 113 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.240 what happens. But let me not to not to Jim. Not to I'll 114 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.600 buy Jim. But when you go hire somebody, you get the opposite of 115 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.199 what you just got right. And he was that. He was. He 116 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.439 was the the wine and cheese guy, wore a suit on the field, 117 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.800 that kind of control guy. You know, you saw that guy in the 118 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:24.639 locker room. You thought they're tuning him out. The first time I met 119 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.079 him, I thought, holy hell, this program's in trouble for a while. 120 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.720 What was the situation. Uh, it was for a golf tournament that 121 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:34.439 that we started back during that time. They put a group together. It 122 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:39.439 was the Chuck Cecil, uh, you know, golf tournament to raise money 123 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:44.439 or the athletic department. And I was on the you know, we started 124 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:46.600 it. I was on a committee that got that going. And we met 125 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:51.199 him. He was just he was just a big giant, yeah, very 126 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:55.279 pompous guy. Uh. You know, we needed him to do some stuff, 127 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.160 and he did the stuff, but he sounded like a jerk doing it. 128 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.639 Um And I thought, this is gonna take a long time to fit. 129 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:03.160 Yeah, And the tw two and a half years. The player, 130 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.519 Well, yeah, but it took and then it took Stoops another four years. 131 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.879 No, no one moved from Stoops. What Stoops legacy? Stoops Legacy 132 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:20.560 to me was a good guy, hard working guy, but he never accepted 133 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.759 being here. Was he either head? Was he a head coach? And 134 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.920 he was? And he I didn't. I think he was in over his 135 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.199 head as head. He was not a He was in over his head. 136 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.399 He knew what he needed to do, he just didn't want to do the 137 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.919 stuff. Besides, he didn't want to do anything other than coach, coach, 138 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.320 coach. Well, the joke or not, or the observation is Mark 139 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.320 was more of a head coach potentially than Mark than Mike. You got the 140 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:46.320 sense that Mike steps was uncomfortable with all the all the public, world side 141 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.639 stuff. He could have just coached X and o's on the field, recruiting, 142 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.200 YadA, YadA, YadA. That would have been fine, but that's 143 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.559 not what it takes to be a head coach. You gotta have guys around 144 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:01.240 you that and then he was his sideline antics. You know that None of 145 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.879 that ever really bothered me, but it did a lot of people. But 146 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:05.440 it did a lot of people, and I think people saw him as a 147 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.639 guy who just was immature as as yeah, just had body for prime time. 148 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:11.960 Kind of not ready for prime time, right, Okay, So we 149 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:18.759 moved from there to uh to rich Rod. What was his legacy? Um, 150 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.639 that's tough, isn't it. He never dug into Tucson. I felt 151 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.080 that he he always had his eye looking for he was he wanted to win 152 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.879 really bad, as good as as much as anybody else wanted to win. 153 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:33.879 And he was, to me from a next is an old standpoint, the 154 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:39.879 best coach that maybe Arizona has ever had ever. Okay, you never thought, 155 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.639 Jimmy, Yeah, you never thought that that Arizona was getting out coached. 156 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.240 Okay, now dat now. He was focused on offense. The defense. 157 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:52.840 You know it was not great, but you know he had he had, 158 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.720 you know, some some nice seasons where the offense just if he would 159 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.840 have I don't know if he was spent some time with the defense or pomp. 160 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.399 The problem with the defense is that he didn't make his defensive coordinator recruit. 161 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.440 He got the guy here by saying you don't have to recruit, and 162 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.279 then I think the defensive line coach also didn't have to the old guys, 163 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.960 so so the old guys didn't have to recruit, and I think that that 164 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.240 was I understand why he wanted to get him here, but I think the 165 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:18.480 defense suffered because of that, and they didn't get the players they needed defensively 166 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.480 to be a notch or two above above to where they got offensive league. 167 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.519 I mean he, to me, his teams were like indoor Football league teams. 168 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.960 You thought every time they got the ball they could score. Yeah, 169 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.919 And that, to me, his legacy was that. I always thought. 170 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.399 I think they had a wandering eye. I think that's fair because at the 171 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.639 end, when in South Carolina came calling and whatever happened there. Yeah, 172 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:43.159 yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair because that's true. 173 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.919 You know, it came from the big time, right. I think he 174 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.919 wanted to get to the time. I think he wanted to win so he 175 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:50.919 could leave. I don't know he really wanted to win. I mean, 176 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.240 he was trying hardness hell to win. He did win, but I think 177 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.480 he was trying to win to get himself out of here. Yeah. No, 178 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.919 I don't blame him for that. I think a lot of coaches do. 179 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.559 He was a Michigan dude. Yeah, yeah, you know he could 180 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:05.679 have had the ballad job. Sure sure, no, No, when you 181 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.080 when you've tasted that taste, you want to go back, right, you 182 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.600 wanted to go back to one of those Uh my my, I think that's 183 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.080 fair. I don't you know, scandals or no scandals or it may believe 184 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.320 scandals. That doesn't affect him. Um he what he won, he got, 185 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.480 He got him back to moo games kind of consistently. He had some 186 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.600 great wins, incredible wins. Two wins over Oregon that went over Ohiowa, 187 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:37.360 the no that I but the two wins over Oregon, the Oklahoma State game, 188 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.559 the three those four games that clil Tate had um three years, you 189 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:46.399 know, don't use c l A bunch of times got you know game Day 190 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:48.759 was here, you know, you know because of him. Uh you know 191 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.080 it was a it was not a bad stretch. Yeah. The guys that 192 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.240 the guys that I hang with say that was the most fun stretch of years. 193 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:03.000 When you talk about a long stretch that we've ever had, good like 194 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:05.399 Dick had a couple of good years, a couple of bad years. And 195 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.879 when I say bad, not losing I didn't have a losing season till late 196 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.320 but you know they weren't. But but the rich rod Gains were fun. 197 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:18.440 Every game was fun and entertain Okay. And lastly, someone, oh God 198 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.600 to me because from the day he walked in the door. You know, 199 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.480 you knew he didn't want to be here, right mcavic. You thought he 200 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.320 was gonna try, but for his own ego, right, someone didn't even 201 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.799 have that. Fummelin was just here to collect the check and get the hell 202 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:37.360 out of town. And he just and he well, and he did that. 203 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.080 He drove the he drove the program into the ditch the day he got 204 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:46.039 here, right. Uh, and without any um, no one even held 205 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.720 him to the fire. You don't want it because no, he never had 206 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.279 a chance to get held to the fire in press commerces ring because he was 207 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.519 kind of a invisible Yeah, we didn't have a chance to talk to him 208 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:00.519 about stuff, I could. You know. I went to his first spring 209 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.519 game, and I think I've said this before. I went his first spring 210 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.159 game. I just watched him on the field and he just looked like a 211 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.480 guy who was so disinterested in what was going well. I think that was 212 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.159 just how he looked. I don't know why I came up with this. 213 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.320 And we'll talk to the we'll talk about the guy side with Loot and then 214 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.759 some of the others afterward, you know, up to and then we'll talk 215 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.240 about jet on the jet real quick. So far, you know, so 216 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.200 far a guy who he's trying really hard. You know, we're we're I 217 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.200 think he's still learning, you know, to be a head coach and and 218 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.240 all that it takes. I think he came here with kind of a plan. 219 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:41.799 But I think he's he's he's the what's what's right away, He's the 220 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:43.440 little mouse on the wheel. Okay, let's as soon for a second, 221 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.240 and I agree, I agree with you. He's been on that little mouse 222 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.720 for a long time. Let's say this little mouse goes eight and four eight 223 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.360 four three years. People are loving, you know, not just people in 224 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.639 two songs, people, yeah, other places. But but you know, 225 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.399 I don't you know, is like say they're playing you know, in the 226 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.799 end, he's still a guy who didn't play college football. Well, if 227 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.360 you're gonna win, I know you're gonna win. But but but there's gonna 228 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.039 be you know, there's fan bases that are gonna say, we don't want 229 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.120 that guy. Yeah, but you know, the AD's gonna say, but 230 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.000 we do. But I think I don't think it's a Michigan you know, 231 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.360 you know, Okay, those guys maybe, uh, but we won't get 232 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.159 there until we get there. Yeah, if we bossibly get there. But 233 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.799 you know what I'm saying, what I'm alluding to, I'm not one hundred 234 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.960 percent sure that that that he's that at you. I would bet you would 235 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:41.320 be that. I bet you your card in my car. I want better 236 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:45.840 miles on that car. All right, well we'll talk about Yeah, we 237 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.480 can talk about that. I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure. Well 238 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.159 that's we talked about that. Talking about basketball later. We got Michael Left 239 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:54.759 coming up. We're gonn talk about Arizona baseball at the pack Off Tournament. 240 00:14:54.840 --> 00:15:03.159 Let's stick around. 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They are one of the leading card shops in the country and have 286 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.960 served our local community for twenty five years. They are located on E Speedway. 287 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:41.640 That's showtime cards Steve Rivera and Jakins Solis they have there. I am 288 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:48.799 a boy on two Suns sports station, Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Well, 289 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.359 welcome back to win the volume on Fox Sports Sports teen FIPI. I'm Steve 290 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:55.480 Rivera, he Jackins Alice now in the Polia. Michael lev editor at the 291 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.559 Arizona Day Start and the Baseball Beat writer. How are you doing, Michael 292 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.920 Hey? Long time, no talk? How are you? Yes? Yes, 293 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.400 into your position? But now you have some fun to cover this weekend. 294 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.160 Have you had fun so far? And some games have been fun to 295 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:18.440 watch. I really enjoy covering college baseball, even though the games can be 296 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.079 really long and go deep into the night. Sometimes us just a good vibe. 297 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.279 It's a lot less um, a lot less secretive than football. There's 298 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:32.640 sort of pressure covering baseball than there is football, So I think it is 299 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.279 a good time. I think the Pac twelve Tournament, um, it's really 300 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.759 fun. I'm glad that the league decided to finally have a postseason tournament. 301 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.400 It can the format this year, it's a little weird, but I think, 302 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.119 um, it's a net positive. Did you did you like the format? 303 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.559 We're done. We're done with the round robin, now the three team 304 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:53.599 round robins. Did you like that and do you feel like it got us 305 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:57.079 to where you've got a good four teams in the semi finals, or at 306 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:02.400 least who belongs there. Well, I mean it's stilted in favor of the 307 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.200 highest seeds. Right if you go one on one and you're one of the 308 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:10.400 top three seeds, you know, you advance to the semi finals. What 309 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:17.559 the other thing it accomplishes is it makes it less unreal be you know, 310 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:22.640 you forgetting I think of four games a day the first couple of days last 311 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.599 year, and I mean you were having games going until one thirty in the 312 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.359 morning, you know. I mean it was really kind of borderline ridiculous. 313 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:37.240 This way, you get addition an additional team into the field. Everyone gets 314 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:42.200 at least two games, and nobody played more than four games. So I 315 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:47.799 think it's just overall a little better balanced, a little more equitable, and 316 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.160 a better way to go about it. Everyone has played pretty well in the 317 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:55.319 last two games, and played well actually recently in all the games that you 318 00:20:55.440 --> 00:21:00.440 played. What do you see going forward with Stanford? Yeah, I mean 319 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.720 it would be stunning if this isn't a high scoring game, right, Um, 320 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.440 these are the two best offenses in the conference, without a doubt. 321 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:12.240 Um, there's really no one you can pitch around. Once through seven and 322 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:18.599 both of their lineup the last time they played the game was twenty one to 323 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:23.759 twenty. Arizona just kept blowing light leads and they finally went ahead, and 324 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.160 they hung on for dear life. I think, honestly, what worries me 325 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:33.400 the most about tonight is that Stanford is the home team and a lot of 326 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.039 these games lately has just kind of come down to, you know, whoever 327 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:38.480 has to last at back. You know, it's like, you know, 328 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:44.839 like Big twelve football games, whoever the ball last is gonna win. Um, 329 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.559 you know, it might just be whoever gets to last up is the 330 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:53.680 one who's in that favored position. Hopefully for Arizona's sake, you know, 331 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:59.200 they got some confidence from the way that that last game ended. Chris Brazza 332 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:03.119 a fantastic job of stranding runners um in the last couple of innings, you 333 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.440 know, enabling them to walk off the the verse did you did you have 334 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.279 an expectation for Arizona going in? I mean, did you expect to see 335 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.839 see them in the semi finals sort of have a chance to win this thing. 336 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.599 But what were your thoughts about them going in? Yeah, I think 337 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:25.359 it was definitely, Uh, there was definitely a decent, decent possibility of 338 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:30.160 that. UM. You know, they've played much better over the last month 339 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.960 or so. UM. They put that ten game moving streak in the rear 340 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:41.039 view mirror. UM. Their offense has just been on fire for weeks and 341 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:48.039 weeks now. UM. And it's kind of like a situation that they're they're 342 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.119 built for that, they were ready for. UM. We've seen Arizona teams 343 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:59.640 in recent years twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen or the two prime examples, they 344 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.480 did make n say tournament even though they were playing exceptionally well at the end 345 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.440 of the season, and they were in that classification of, you know, 346 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:12.039 the team you wouldn't want to face, right, There was no fact twelve 347 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:18.480 tournament at that time. Now there is, and Arizona is getting that opportunity 348 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:22.119 and they are proving that maybe they are, you know, the team that 349 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.640 you don't want to face. It's funny do you talk about the offense being 350 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.200 on fire. Conversely, this reminds me of the Arizona basketball team where a 351 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.640 very good team obviously played very well, but there one flaw was that gave 352 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.720 up leads late in the game. You've seen it more than most in this 353 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.440 baseball team. They're playing very well. Two three run league boom gone. 354 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.799 Two three run league boom gone happened a lot. And that's the issue, 355 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:52.000 right, it is, It really is, and these are you know, 356 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.720 for the most part, these are kind of the guys that you thought would 357 00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.119 be some of their most reliable pitchers. You know, Dawston, matt ever 358 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.720 Long and Chris Brazza. He pitched well the other day, but he's had 359 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:10.839 his struggles as well. So they really need the bullpen to step up in 360 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:14.440 a big way. I don't know whether it can advantage or a disadvantage that, 361 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.240 you know, these teams that baked each other a lot, a lot 362 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.160 of the same guys on Stanford that we've seen for a few years now. 363 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.599 There's a lot of familiarity. M quinn Matthews is starting on the mound for 364 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.720 Stanford. Arizona had faced him multiple times. You know, there won't be 365 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.920 any secrets between the two. You know, it might just come down to 366 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.400 who played better. And one thing I think that's underrated about this Arizona team 367 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.240 is they played really good defense. They've made I think only two errors in 368 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.400 the first two games, maybe only one or two errors. Yeah, they 369 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.119 were both by Tony Bullard. One was on pop up that he kind of 370 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.839 locked in the sun, and then the other one was a row that he 371 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:56.039 rushed a little bit. Stanford. Meanwhile, I mean they wouldn't you know, 372 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.759 we wouldn't have this matchup if they hadn't loan the lead um the other 373 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.400 night with bad defense. You know, there was a triple into the right 374 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:10.400 to the corner and Drew Bowser he overshot m third base on his relay through 375 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:14.839 by twenty I mean here into the betting um, you know, enabling the 376 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.000 duck to score on a you know what you call a little league comb run. 377 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.480 So it might come down to, you know, just which team axecutes 378 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.519 better, which seemed preked fundamental ball better. And that's one thing under tip 379 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.119 hail that this Arizona team an area where they've made a lot of stride. 380 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.920 So so, uh, you know you're talking about that twenty one to twenty 381 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:37.799 you know, slow pitched softball game of a few weeks ago. I mean 382 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.079 it's you just Gotta said because of the pitching, that Arizone is going to 383 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.839 have to score fifteen runs to win tonight. I mean that isn't that something 384 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:51.680 that you you have to think you might not be wrong, You really might 385 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.200 not be wrong. Um. I often asked my colleague Brian Peterson a desert 386 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.519 swarm at some point in the game. I'm like, what's the number today? 387 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:04.079 And he nailed it. The other day he said thirteen and the score 388 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.519 ended up being thirteen to twelve. So I don't know what the number is 389 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.720 tonight, but it would not surprise me at all if the winning side had 390 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:18.440 double figures, you know, Yeah, I mean last night there were I 391 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.400 think there were two games yesterday of scores of it was six to five and 392 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.119 eight to six, something like that. You know, the two games, 393 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:32.839 the afternoon game in the night game, and those are relatively low scoring days. 394 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.000 I mean, offense is up, I think across the nation, the 395 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:41.519 leading RRA and the conference during the regular season. So it's just kind of 396 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.640 an expectation at this point that they're going to get involved in the kind of 397 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.559 shootouts, and from an offensive standpoint anyway, Arizona is well built for that. 398 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.279 So forgive me for not knowing this, Michael, But have you covered 399 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.119 most of the games? Are you there now covering them? One? And 400 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.960 two? How has three things now? And Charles Chip held up this year 401 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.920 and two? Three? Um, he's received a lot of criticism, more 402 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:11.160 more obviously than recently because this team isn't Arizona like it has been in the 403 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.079 past. Right, I don't know if that's warranted, But what do you 404 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:18.880 feel? Okay? First one, UM, I haven't covered nearly as many 405 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.680 games in person um as I have in recent years because of my other job 406 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:30.359 responsibilities. I have watched almost every inning, um that you could watch this 407 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:36.599 season through streaming or whether if they're on TV. So I'm as well versed 408 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.920 as I've ever been as far as Chip goes, UM, I think he 409 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.680 has held up just fine. I think a lot of the criticism has been, 410 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.240 you know, has revolved around his decision to keep Dave Juan as the 411 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.599 pitching coach. UM. People have questioned that and they still question that, 412 00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:00.680 UM, And we'll see if he makes a change at the end the season. 413 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.119 He really had not that involved in the kitchen, you know, similar 414 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.039 to j Johnson like chapters involved in hitting, He's involved in fielding and he 415 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:12.799 kind of lets the kitchen coach do his thing. So you know, we'll 416 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:18.920 see where that goes. So talking about some of the players, and Okay, 417 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.039 I've been watching Arizona baseball since I was in elementary school, so I 418 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:23.920 mean, you know, I feel like I've got a long history. I 419 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.920 covered the team for a couple of years. Chase Davis may have the nicest, 420 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.519 prettiest swing of any player I've ever seen in Arizona. And I'm talking 421 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.400 guys like Terry Francine, or Ron Hassey, Dave Stagman, you know, 422 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.039 guys that go way back, some of the newer guys, guys who've been 423 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:47.319 in the major leagues. I sit there and I just watch it over and 424 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:51.640 over again. That the home run that he hit U in the Oregon State 425 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.519 game. I think it was the Oregon State game leading. I mean, 426 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.039 I've watched that over and over and Overgon because you couldn't even see the ball 427 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.599 off the bat. He hit it so hard. I mean, it's unbelievable 428 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:06.359 to watch him play. I mean, is do you is he a step 429 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.000 above like that? At least in your opinion. It's a beautiful swing. 430 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.279 There's no question I've talked about this with uh, you know, fellow baseball 431 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.279 nerds in the past, like why do you left handed guys swings luther and 432 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:25.759 prettier than right handed guys. And I think it's because when you're right handed 433 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:26.640 hit her. You know, when you hit the ball really well, you 434 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.839 still have across the plate and kind of chuck the bat behind you when you 435 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.200 run down to first where it's a little bit of like a smoother operation for 436 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.440 a lefty to just kind of glide glide into it when he when he pulls 437 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.359 the ball, you know, into right field and you get shot down the 438 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.920 first uh you know, after it leaves the park. But he has not 439 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.960 only a pretty swing, but is extremely powerful, yeah swing, and he 440 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.839 has I think he's made himself a first round draft pick, which would be 441 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.400 um, you know, really cool and a really big deal. It would 442 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.160 be the it happened, it would be the third time in four years that 443 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.799 Arizona has had a first round kick in the MLB draft. Um. So 444 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.680 yeah, I mean he's got the third thanks the third third most home runs 445 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:18.680 in a single season UM in Arizona history, which again, like that's a 446 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.400 really big deal. He's in the top five all time, and he really 447 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.079 only played two seasons. So just think about that, and there's a couple 448 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.400 of career a career records or a couple of records that have snuck up. 449 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.200 You got Kiko Romero could break the all time single season RBI record. He 450 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:38.559 needs three. Yeah, I mean that could happen tonight, right, yeah. 451 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:44.640 I mean he's two behind Ron Hackey's record of eighty six. And you 452 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.680 know, back in the day, like I mean, you had these different 453 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.359 bats, maybe different baseballs and a college baseball it's just a much higher scoring 454 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.640 game and who were trending in that direction again, But Tico has been such 455 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:03.480 a valuable player for them because he prevents other teams from pitching around Chase David. 456 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.960 I mean it's like, do you still at your own peril? Become 457 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.079 very much to pick your poison situation. And even after Chase, you know, 458 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.400 made an out and that the bottom of the ninth the other day, 459 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.079 Kiko came up and he came through and knocked in the game winning hug. 460 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.559 And my guy, it's maybe because of me. I'm all glove, no 461 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.480 hit is the shortstop, the little long locks and the and the good defense 462 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:33.400 at short. Think about Nick McClary. He's not just all gloves. He's 463 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.599 like a good hitter too, you know, I mean he's hitting around three 464 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.119 thirty. He's been a great spark plug for them. He leads the team 465 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.880 and runs scored. Um. I have always had this theory that guys who 466 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:51.359 are interesting sectionally good in the field coordination is such that they will eventually make 467 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.119 themselves into good hitters. I think Ozzie Smith is a good example of that. 468 00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:00.240 YadA Molina is another good example of that. And make the to me 469 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.400 um he falls into that category. He made himself into a good offensive player 470 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:09.279 at least in college, and hopefully he'll hear his name called at some point 471 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.039 during the MLB draft as well. Imagine, imagine you're talking about how good 472 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.480 they are offensively and the power in it. Imagine it had they had a 473 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:22.160 Smith a little bit better, this team would be pretty dynamite. Yeah, 474 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.359 I mean, imagine if Tam Walty had been healthy from the start of the 475 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.720 season, you know, I mean he he kind of delivered some of those 476 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.400 you know, Friday night shut down out and that you looked for. Once 477 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.079 he got healthy, they didn't have that, you know, for about a 478 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.160 month at the start of the season, and um, you know they started 479 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.960 out with t J. Nichols is the Friday guy. He's got an amazing 480 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.720 talent and amazing stuff, but for whatever reason, it hasn't come together for 481 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.559 him. Tonkos Susak he was the number two starter and then he got hurt 482 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.519 had to be shut down for a little while. So you know, you 483 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:59.200 really like to have that tone setter and that Friday night rolling and have that. 484 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.480 And then you know, as we talked about, the bullpen has been 485 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.519 really up and down lately and has left them down and in a few too 486 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.680 many situations. So is it is it an all hands on debt kind of 487 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.039 night for Chip where he just says, everybody's got to be available and we'll 488 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.880 worry about tomorrow tomorrow or how's her? Do you know how he's approaching that. 489 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.400 I think that's the correct approach, because look, you automatically make the 490 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:30.119 NTA Tournament if you win the Pac twelve tournament. But Arizona has positioned itself 491 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.880 where there at least in the conversation now and if you cannotch a really good 492 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:39.079 quad one win over Stanford, which is going to be one of the top 493 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.920 sixteen teams um in uh in the n s A tournament, it might not 494 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.599 matter what happens tomorrow night. They might have played their way into this tournament. 495 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.640 So I think you do take that all out approach. They had a 496 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.200 day off yesterday which helps a lot in terms of the arms. They're going 497 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.400 to start off with left hander Brad and Dastro. I'm sure tonkos is going 498 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.599 to be available if Zastro Faulter is early, and they should be able to 499 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.159 use just about anybody out of that bulltime. And maybe one last question, 500 00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:13.000 speaking of all hands on deck, how is your new job going? Given 501 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:19.440 you're busy and everybody on your staff is busy, It's been really interesting. 502 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.280 Um, it's been a great challenge, um to be sure, and I 503 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:30.360 would say this I have gained. I respected Ryan Finley a lot before. 504 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:36.920 I respect him even more now that he handled this job with such um, 505 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:42.679 such grace. UM he like, you know, he kind of protected us. 506 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.840 I would say from like the business side of things that you know, 507 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:52.079 us as journalist don't really like to get involved in. UM. You know, 508 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.719 it's it's a volatile time for this business. It can be really hard 509 00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:00.920 at times. Goes to that it's been it's been kind of ENLiGHT na um, 510 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.679 but you know it's been a it's been a challenge and um, you 511 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.840 know what'll kind of few where things had from here? Super well, good 512 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.400 job. We'll see what happens to night and we'll see you soon. Yes, 513 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.679 stay loose in case they need you out of the bullpen tonight. I 514 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:22.119 think I've called myself out of the bullpen, So get analogy. I like 515 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.599 not Thank guy, all right, Mike, thank you cool. That was 516 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.119 good. That was very cool. Michael levedarshen Daily start speaking out. I 517 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.639 mean, he's acting sports and he's he's I think he's a sports He the 518 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.920 guy. Now they don't have anybody else. All right, let's take our 519 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.280 break. We're gonna come back. We'll have uh time to call. We'll 520 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.840 finish off the basketball right well, the phone lines will be open and we'll 521 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.880 start talking about legacies of Arizona basketball coach. Yeah, they've only been a 522 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.000 couple so yeah for that that minute. So but well we'll get into that 523 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:57.239 that That was a fun conversation, very fun. I promptu conversation. Be 524 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:07.519 right back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been 525 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.480 successful. For newly forty years now take a look back at the Ludolson era 526 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.119 in my new book, Lessons from Loot. 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Steve Rivera and Jaken Salez they have their eye 568 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:21.000 on the ball on two Sons Sports Stage yet Fox Sports fourteen fifty streaming live. 569 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.079 I mean I heart radio. Arm Hey, welcome back to trying about 570 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.079 here on Fox Sportsport teen Cookie on Steve, He's Jay. We have about 571 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:31.519 thirteen minutes if you guys give us a call. Good talk about baseball from 572 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.119 now in the heat of it, Michael lev One, let's continue our little 573 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.920 kind of talk about to right legacies. Legacies. We talked about football. 574 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.960 Now let's go to men's basketball. Okay. Of course Loot was here when 575 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.719 I got here, and he was here when you were here. Obviously his 576 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.480 legacy where do you start, right, I mean, he put as one 577 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.719 on the map. Yeah, he proficial on the map. Not only you 578 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.119 know Arizona basketball. He put her a whole town, that's true. And 579 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:06.599 and I've said that a bunch that two sons a very different place if what 580 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.400 happened when there's on a basketball doesn't happen. Okay, So let me say 581 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.719 this because if let's say, Bobby Ell, it's listening, and I won't 582 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.719 distribute with Bob that Fred Snowdon had a lot to do with it too. 583 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.199 He probably put the dot on the He put the dot where two sons and 584 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.360 Luton made it bigger, right, And and the fact of the matter is 585 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.679 Fred left, Well, you know, he got fired. I mean, 586 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.519 you know so, but no, no doubt that that And it's been said 587 00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.719 a million times and Bob says it all the time, is that Lute came 588 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.159 here because Fred was here. If there's no Fred Snowden, there's no right 589 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.000 he saw that it was possible agree with that, you know, And and 590 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.079 Fred left his own legacy of of that, of that this can be a 591 00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.679 place for basketball, right, that was Fred's legacy. He brought an exciting 592 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.280 brand of basketball that was unusual, unheard of situation to the board, an 593 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.920 African American being an American coach, and brought all these guys. He brought 594 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.000 all these guys from Detroit and pieces like that that you don't those guys don't 595 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.320 come to Tucson, Arizona. So so Fred Snowden started that, he created, 596 00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:16.559 He created a legacy buzz that then made a guy like lud Olson come 597 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:21.079 here. And then Luke built on that. So Luke didn't start this. 598 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:23.400 Let's say that. I was like, he didn't start it, but he 599 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:29.719 took what was here and he built this place into something that nobody could even 600 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.559 imagined. Yeah, who got a call let's take this hire on the air 601 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.840 and I on the ball. Hey, you guys, this is a gabriel 602 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:44.199 Um calling from California. The one topic I'm gonna talk you guys about, 603 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.920 I think, but the last time I called to you guys this week, 604 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.679 Steve has something to talk to me about. Yeah, I can't remember, 605 00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:01.280 umm about about Tommy Lloyd. I wasn't sure where you stood on the fence 606 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:05.800 when he was not doing when people were criticizing him. Of where all the 607 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.039 players. I don't know about about his coaching. I don't think he's going 608 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.920 to be the guy, and then all of a sudden he's come. He's 609 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.599 come on full board with a lot of good players. I can't recall if 610 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:22.239 you were one of the guys that were given him grief. Um. So 611 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:28.679 with with his roster, I'm pretty happy. I'm pretty happy. I'm pretty 612 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.840 happy about with his rosher. But I was just kind of concerned that um 613 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:43.679 that that I was kind of curscerner about they worth but taking more time than 614 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.880 they need to with UM, okay, with taking players, but but I'm 615 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:53.639 pretty happy so far. So they just gotta go into the summer and start 616 00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:58.920 practicing, right, So yeah, yeah, That was my concern because there's 617 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.159 been a Gabriel. You're not alone. A lot of you guys are out 618 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.440 there saying what's going on? What's going on? Howcome? And it's not 619 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.000 happening soon enough? But we were saying in time, it was going to 620 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.800 happen, right absolutely. That's where y'all thought they needed more time. And 621 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.960 he, I mean he's still he was last year, he was still two 622 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.159 months away from black roster. But from where he is now, so plenty 623 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:23.639 of time. So the topic I wanted to discuss with YouTube guys is so 624 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:30.239 is I was late. I was listening to Jason Sheer Sheer and he and 625 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:36.360 his wife we're talking about um. They did a football pot one and pot 626 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:43.239 two about how their listeners are submitting questions about about Arizona football. And one 627 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:50.760 the questions is one of the people that says, are you concern about Jetfish 628 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:59.280 possibly going going to another job or bringing being offered some money that Arizona cannot 629 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:06.039 but let me but I want to give you my thoughts. So if jet 630 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:12.760 Fish Chuck starts winning of around eight games or seven, I think I hope 631 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:17.320 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna guess or I'm not gonna. I just hope 632 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:23.000 that day he has some has a lot of money stored in the stays for 633 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:29.559 Jetticas, just just to persuade him, Hey, please stay here. We 634 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:35.119 love you, keep working your ass off, we support you. But the 635 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:44.000 noticing stay of Florida because when he was like a teenage year old, when 636 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:49.360 he was kind of like my age, he was basically working at Florida for 637 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:57.719 yourself. If that happen, I think wishing the best of luck and we 638 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:05.840 I think we need to find a coach that will take Arizonas in the next 639 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:12.199 level, like winning around nine to twelve games, are possibly going to the 640 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:19.639 college football Playoff. And I think and I have three kinda days. One 641 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:29.239 I know personally so on on the Arizona football coaching staff. I think Brendan 642 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.559 Carol Pete Carroll's son is a good choice. UM. The one coach I 643 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:42.079 know personally is Ryan Grove. UM. Ryan Groves is a Washington, Washington 644 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:47.719 offensive coordinator and I know him because Um, I was an equipment manager at 645 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:55.119 Fradle's day when when he when from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty one. And 646 00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:02.360 UM, I think the third the third candidate is. I can't remember his 647 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.719 name, but I think he's a defensive coordinator at Utah. But we kind 648 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.559 of need a coach that's kind of like Kyle Whittingham and just basically stays yeah 649 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.880 yeah, days that one program and not just starts to jump. Well we'll 650 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.079 go. You wanna go? Who you want me to go? You know, 651 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:23.119 I'm just gonna say, we need to pump the brakes. Yeah, 652 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.840 yes, Gabriel, thank you for the name. Appreciated game. But let's 653 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.079 get to one bridge before we cross that, and then get to the next 654 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:35.039 bridge before you cross that. The very thoughtful Gabriel, We do appreciate that. 655 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.119 Yeah, thanks, thank you very much, Thanks for thanks for listening. 656 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:43.199 Yeah yeah, alright, let's get the six wins first, exactly, 657 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.719 just real quick. I'm gonna say, when you're you're an Arizona, the 658 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.440 next step is a you know, a prominent program a Florida, uh, 659 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:57.639 you know, something like that. Jetfish doesn't just doesn't have the background to 660 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.519 be the next coach at one of those places. I'm im he's got to 661 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.960 win a lot more than two or three years there. Right, we gotta 662 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.239 do that first. So we gotta see that first, Okay, okay, 663 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:14.239 real quick, we got Oh gosh, how you're on the Arona on the 664 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.920 ball? Hey Jay, this is done? How are you doing done? 665 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:22.760 How are you? I'm done? All right, that's um. It was 666 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:31.719 a little bit trying to turn that thing down. Go ahead, it's down. 667 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.639 I think you're there. I'm here. Okay, all right, we 668 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.519 can hear you. Okay, okay. Um. Now that we're into the 669 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.519 Pac twelve the baseball tournament, yesterday seemed like a down day because Arizona didn't 670 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:51.159 play. And it's weird because we're in you know, I mean, we're 671 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.679 in tournament season. We're used to the girls being playing all the time. 672 00:47:54.639 --> 00:48:00.480 So but I think Arizona tonight, I think Arizona's got a good a good 673 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.119 shot because we had that day's rest, so our pitching got to rest a 674 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:09.719 little bit. Our pitching didn't get overly overly stretched out to get to hear 675 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:19.960 And whereas Stanford, they're not really playing for anything because they're not going to 676 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:24.320 lose anything by losing. If they lose tonight, you know what are they 677 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:30.360 going to be. They're gonna be the number number three national seed and and 678 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.840 they're gonna host the regional and if they win that the Superregional, so they 679 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.639 don't lose anything, right, I'm running this down right now, done, 680 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:44.280 done over evaluate someone? Well, no, because it's because I've been watching 681 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:49.119 them all year. Yeah, I mean the pitching has been Is it driven 682 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:53.599 you crazy? Is it driven you crazy? It really has because the guys 683 00:48:53.760 --> 00:49:00.840 that were supposed that that were that were good last year, Nichols and the 684 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.480 Closer. You know, you expect the natural progression for them to you know, 685 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.119 be a little bit better, and you know, who knows what what 686 00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:15.679 has happened and to both of those guys, but you know, we have 687 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.440 the offense that can keep us in games. Um My son texted me the 688 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.599 other day when we were up twelve eight on August eight. He goes, 689 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:29.119 it's too soon for the big lead. When it was twelve eight, I 690 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.880 said, twelve's not enough, it's not enough. And it wasn't and it 691 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.920 wasn't and yeah, and I was it was. It was a heck of 692 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:43.639 a time. Yeah. But I do have I do have a tournament memory 693 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.199 I'd like to share because I think it's a really funny story. Back in 694 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:53.079 nineteen eighty, the Houston Astros had a day off and they came to play 695 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:59.880 the Tucson Toros and that was that was a team in nineteen eighty had Joe 696 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.119 Morgan, Nolan, Ryan Jr. Richard was on that team and those guys. 697 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:13.880 That same evening, Arizona was playing Gonzaga for if they beat Gonzaga, 698 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:19.559 they're going to Omaha. This was the eighty team. So somewhere around the 699 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.559 fifth, sixth inning, Joe Morgan hits a baseball to the second baseman who 700 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:29.400 throws him out at the same moment that everybody in the stands had the radio. 701 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.440 We're listening to seven ninety K and his tea. At the time, 702 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.719 Arizona gets a last out, they beat Gonzaga, They're going to Omaha High. 703 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.000 Corbett Field goals crazy, and Joe Morgan's looking up in the stands like, 704 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.480 what in the heck did I do to these people? That's too funny, 705 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:51.199 that's too funny because everybody around us. And then like an evening later, 706 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:57.039 the PA announcer announces that Arizona had won and was going to omahas but 707 00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.880 that Arizona had beat Gonzaga right at that time, and Joe Morgan, who's 708 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.599 you know, everybody liked him as a player, and all of a sudden 709 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:12.880 he grounds out to the second basement meaningless out and everybody's too fun. That's 710 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.480 too fun. That's a great memory. Don appreciate it. Thank you for 711 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.679 calling him. Hey, we got we gotta get out of here. We 712 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.760 got top of the hour. So hey Don, thanks for the memory, 713 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:25.119 Thanks for the call. Have a good weekend, Don don call. I 714 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.280 have I have a vague recollection of that. I'm sure I wasn't at the 715 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.400 game, but I remember hearing that that team, that team won the College 716 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.400 World Series Terry Francona and that that group, well, that was a very 717 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.480 good team. All right, let's let's take a breakwad to come back to 718 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:44.480 the legacy thing on basketball, but we're not breaking news at the top of 719 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.440 the hour. And then in the then we're gonna have Jake Fisher. He'll 720 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:50.920 come in. We'll talk about whatever's on Jake's mind. Always something good, 721 00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:51.639 so we'll grab back