1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,919 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:18,120 audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Hello, Oh my god, there's minimurmur 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:29,960 Oh God, Hello, and welcome to season ten, episode two forty seven 4 00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:37,000 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. 5 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:54,560 If you like to show, there's only one place you can go to 6 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,200 get a whole lot more of it, and that is Sword and Scale dot 7 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:03,960 com slash plus. We have over one hundred and fifty plus episodes that are 8 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,799 exclusive. You can't hear them anywhere else. Plus a beautiful and pristine feed. 9 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,239 If you've never heard the audio like that, it's it's mind blowing. 10 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,959 Plus you know there's no ants, that's why it's called plus. There's so 11 00:01:17,959 --> 00:02:15,520 many pluses. Check it out. In December of twenty twenty two, a 12 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:22,280 former landscaper named Chad t Absher sat in the floor to courtroom in a gray 13 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:27,120 suit and a bright blue shirt. Chad wasn't the type to dress up like 14 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:32,520 that, but this was a special occasion. He was taking the stand at 15 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:38,800 his former girlfriend's murder trial. Thirty seven year old Chad Absher sat on the 16 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:46,439 stand and prepared to discuss the night that his former girlfriend, Ashley Rucker had 17 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:53,879 been killed. It was October thirty, twenty seventeen. The evening was like 18 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,000 any other. After work, the couple connected at Ashley's apartment and decided to 19 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,400 order pizza for dinner. We wouldn't get a pizza, say, we wouldn't 20 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,520 gut a pieces when you think we will win? Joseph ash and were you 21 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:15,879 drinking that day? Of course? Of course? Do you remember who paye 22 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:22,840 for pizza? Just want to Ashley's do a little critical and said who eating? 23 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,360 Well, of course the kids and then whoever Realse got a piece? 24 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:32,680 So Chad stayed at Ashley's apartment most of the time. You didn't actually live 25 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,919 there. Ashley's sister and best friend, Lisa was her roommate. The two 26 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:46,080 women were single mothers with young boys. Everyone was home that night, Ashley, 27 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:52,479 Lisa, they're two boys, Chad and Lisa's new boyfriend, Lyle Scheideman. 28 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,520 Chad said that after eating pizza in the living room, he, Ashley, 29 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,479 and her son Joseph were hired to the bedroom. Where did you lie? 30 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:08,919 And Ashley's okay? And Ashley's left in the bed to you cry? 31 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:14,879 Of course, she's slipping minky. Where did who's in the cubby hill? 32 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,680 What's the gully? He let the full pillows of pity in the corner right 33 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,000 there, and he made him a little little spot right you know, in 34 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,399 the bed by you guys, of course. So after you went to sleep, 35 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:31,000 what do you remember happening? Aster? That will come to being beating 36 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,920 in my sleep? Who was beating him? I was on top of me, 37 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:46,279 Lyle? What was he doing? Beating him in my face? After 38 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:50,639 falling asleep, Chad said he was awakened by the feeling of Lyle's fist on 39 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:57,959 his face. Lisa's boyfriend was attacking him. So at this point you're staying 40 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,879 telling us that Lyle is eating you? What did you do after? At 41 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:08,399 that point I got about the situation. Lisa was right here. Lyle was 42 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,800 only and actually was this side. When did I come up out of this 43 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:15,000 situation? I got a pull on my feet. Okay, now where'd you 44 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,120 go? I went out towards the living room. Did the fighting enswered that 45 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:26,199 point? It was never a fight. Well, the lyall beating, you 46 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:31,879 know, did that entered that point? Yes, ma'am. So once you 47 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,160 got up out of the room and walked around the living room with jagnast. 48 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,399 I was getting my stuff to get up. I was just on the lead, 49 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,240 but Chad said he couldn't get out that easily. Lyle had taken charge. 50 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,959 What was actually at Leasta that Lyle doing at that point? The boy 51 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,240 ran out of the whole place. And when you said that boy in me 52 00:05:54,360 --> 00:06:00,680 Lyle, yes, remember that Lisa was sending about the bar asolutely to follow 53 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,639 me around because my finger was just dripping gloves. I'm just getting my stuff. 54 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:11,439 She was wiping on the glove, Chad said. Lisa stood angrily at 55 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:15,759 the bar while Ashley followed Chad trying to clean up the blood he was dripping 56 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,800 all over the floor. Were you gathering up closed? I'm sure, Jack, 57 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:28,600 please phones all that. What were you getting reduced to? I was 58 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:32,160 just gonna mead. Were you aware that these the head called name on one 59 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:39,879 of the point, No, no, no, okay, what's going on? 60 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,800 Then an alternation, someone believe they will not get out of my apartment? 61 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,279 Hey man, thank you? Does adn't want to have any weapons? 62 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,839 And they drink the dress a while? No, all, I will sing 63 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,319 the next available office, I guess called a track of fing The caase, 64 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:08,959 but Lisa was wrong. There were weapons in the house. Chad had a 65 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,959 pocket knife, there was a bat in the bedroom, and there was a 66 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:19,120 rifle hidden in the couch. As the chaos escalated, Chad said that Ashley 67 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:26,439 went and grabbed the rifle. Did anyone point a rifle at each yash just 68 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,920 brought up in man couch? What did you do? Well? What happened? 69 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:40,439 They shot? That's just the show shooting. So Ashley had the rifle, 70 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,920 points about you and where was the police of standing at that time? 71 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:54,000 Do you hear the vague one word responses like it can't be bothered to elaborate. 72 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:58,720 Do you know anybody who talks like that? Are they an honest person? 73 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Hm? Chad said that Ashley blasted the rifle across the room Adam, 74 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:11,000 but the bullet missed and shot her sister in the jaw. Lisa fell to 75 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:16,639 the ground screaming. Chad told the court that a struggle ensued as he tried 76 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,319 to get the gun out of Ashley's grasp and it went off into her head. 77 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,439 So what happened after the second round of fire? Any Ashley, what 78 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:35,759 did you do? Did you realize yourself? What did you do? That 79 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:45,120 why did Juliet Because I was a kiver. Chad had been in trouble with 80 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,600 the law before. He didn't want the police to find him in an apartment 81 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:56,039 with two dead women and they're crying children. It's usually not a good look. 82 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,840 He was scared and didn't know what to do, so he ran. 83 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,799 Ashley and her sister Lisa had both been shot in the face at their apartment 84 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:35,320 in Florida. The sisters had been home with their boyfriends, Lyle and Chad 85 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:41,879 when a fight broke out, which escalated into gun violence. Chad claimed that 86 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,519 Ashley had shot her sister, then accidentally shot herself in the head. He 87 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:52,159 fled the scene, leaving the sisters to bleed out as their young children cried 88 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,960 in the other room. Ashley was flat on her back and her head was 89 00:09:56,159 --> 00:10:01,960 cradled in a slick pool of blood. She had been shot just behind the 90 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:09,440 ear. The bullet blew through her brain, killing her instantly, but by 91 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:16,360 some miracle, Lisa was still breathing. Her boyfriend Lyle hovered over her, 92 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:22,279 begging Lisa to stay awake as he called nine one one, Hello, Oh 93 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:31,720 my god, mur I don't even know Come on, give me what you 94 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:52,840 are what's this about? Lyle didn't know the address because he and Lisa had 95 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:58,759 only been dating for a little while. As Lisa and Ashley's sons wailed in 96 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:07,600 the background, Lyle scrambled to get help, and then a woman complex play 97 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:18,679 here part complet the appomer company, upon the complant, upon the company number. 98 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:31,679 What you apart may number? Oh my god, who apart? Because 99 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,120 I don't know? It's right here? Also fucking it's right quote of quote 100 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:48,919 of quote, it's it's eleven elevens one to eleven eleven. Yeah. Lyle 101 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,320 had figured out the apartment number, but he still didn't know the address. 102 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:56,720 He left the boys inside and Lisa bleeding on the floor as he ran out 103 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:11,960 into the hallway to find a neighbor. All sad, where's here? Now? 104 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:37,480 Right now? Right now, right now? He shot him in the 105 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:46,679 head. Home, Lyle said Chad was the killer, not Ashley. Chad 106 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:52,480 had shot the sisters. Now he was gone on foot. Lyle ran back 107 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:58,399 to Lisa and cradled her bloody head, trying to keep her alert until help 108 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:03,000 arrived. In the next clip, you can hear Lisa murmuring and trying to 109 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:31,559 stay alive. He'll carry on sure. Hello, hello, Hello, hello 110 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:41,759 hello. When the police arrived at the Rutgers apartment, they quickly removed the 111 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:48,519 two young boys from the scene and Lisa was taken to the hospital. Lyle 112 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:54,000 went outside with the police. He was sweating and out of breath. His 113 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,000 blue pants were covered in blood. He looked at the officer and said, 114 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,799 get ready, I want you to write down exactly what happened and who did 115 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:09,759 it. It was Chad Absher. The police ran Chad's name through the computer 116 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,200 system and started pulling up pictures. As soon as Chad's face appeared on the 117 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:18,519 screen, Lyle yelled, that's the motherfucker. That's the one who did it. 118 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:24,759 I know it. The police put out a bolo for Chad and made 119 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:28,600 Lyle sit in the back of a patrol car. But that's when Lyle became 120 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,519 irate. He refused to tell the officers his full name and started screaming, 121 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,000 I just saw my girlfriend get shot. Why am I here? Fuck you? 122 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,799 I will not answer any questions. Tonight. Police are searching for the 123 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:46,919 man wanted in connection with the murder of a woman and the shooting of her 124 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:50,639 sister. Your family members tell us that he is the ex boyfriend of Ashley 125 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,120 Rocker. Police will weave thirty two year old Chad Absher is armed and dangerous. 126 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:01,240 When police processed the crime scene, they could not find the rifle shell 127 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:07,360 casings lay all over the floor. A closet had been destroyed and the shelves 128 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:11,759 were smashed to the ground. A struggle had clearly taken place before the murder, 129 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,600 but still no one knew exactly what had happened in that apartment. None 130 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:24,399 of the neighbors had witnessed anything except for Lyle running outside for help. They 131 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:31,159 all heard the gunshots. This was a big apartment building with many residents and 132 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:37,480 what it's surprised you to know in twenty twenty three that only one neighbor called 133 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:43,519 nine one guess I won't as location in the emergency here. I believe somebody 134 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:52,559 I put them up short, Okay, Peter people And was it a male 135 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:58,399 a female? I'm not sure. Okay, do you know the scyc of 136 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,000 the succycle slide from I don't know. Any day, Michael I was in 137 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:08,440 the room from my cousin. Just the whole state of Florida was looking for 138 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:15,159 Chad Absher. His face was shared on every news station every hour Lisa was 139 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:21,799 in the hospital and expected to make a full recovery and goodness, despite being 140 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:26,679 shot through the jaw and neck. She was unable to speak, of course, 141 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,720 but she could write just like Lyle. She used her pen and paper 142 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:37,519 to tell the cops that Chad was the one who shot her and her sister. 143 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:45,120 It took less than forty eight hours, but police caught Chad a short 144 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:51,240 time ago. Police responded to an individual that call police saying that they thought 145 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,679 Chad Apsher was inside a residence in the fifty four hundred block of one hundred 146 00:16:55,679 --> 00:17:00,240 and eighteenth Street. When police responded to the scene, we also fully the 147 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,359 same information and SWAT was called out to the scene and we are glad to 148 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,720 say after some talk and after some discussion, he has come out of the 149 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:14,039 house and he is now in police custody. After running for days, Chad 150 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,640 finally showed up at his buddy's house. As soon as we put it out 151 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,160 to the media yesterday, we were actually overwhelming tips. I mean people were 152 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,720 calling in someone that may have looked like him, and then we were getting 153 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:27,839 specific tips from people that knew him. Hey he may hang out he or 154 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,839 hey he may be here. We were following them all up, and we're 155 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:33,720 just glad that the community came forward. They really stepped up with this and 156 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,519 called in those tips. And the reason he's off the street right now. 157 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,480 You were starching this area yesterday hing or at eighteenth Street, and I guess 158 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,680 no one was here. Did you believe there was a girlfriend, a friend 159 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:48,599 somewhere he was holding up the house is someone who's an acquaintance of him. 160 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,359 That person who was in the house told us that when he woke up this 161 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,839 morning, he was inside his house. He has known him from the past. 162 00:17:56,039 --> 00:17:57,759 He's known to him, so it wasn't like he just broke into a 163 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:02,200 stranger's house. Is somewhere he has gone before. It has been so that's 164 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,079 how he ended up there. So where he was from the time the shooting 165 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,680 happened until this morning when the malblesoup and he was at his house because we 166 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:14,359 don't know. According to the police report, the SWAT team used a robot 167 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:18,720 to get into the house where Chad was. The robot had a camera and 168 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:23,079 speaker inside, so once the police were able to see Chad in the house 169 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:29,200 pacing around with a rifle in his hands, detectives spoke to Chad through the 170 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,920 robot's speaker. Gotta say, this is a pretty weird world we're all living 171 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:40,079 in now. Can you imagine being arrested by a robot? The robot told 172 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,799 Chad to put the gun down and come out with his hands up, Probably 173 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,920 not in the cool way that RoboCop used to do, but you know, 174 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:55,039 we'll get what we get. He kept insisting that he didn't kill Lisa and 175 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,519 Ashley, but after some protesting, he placed the gun down down on the 176 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:04,400 bed and walked outside as he was told, Well, we're glad. It's 177 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:10,599 a horrific isn't Hammond? Him shooting these two women and killing one and now 178 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,160 another one has to deal with that tragedy of her sister being killed. But 179 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,480 we're glad he's off the street. He can't victimize anybody else. Chad was 180 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:23,960 in rough shape when he sat down for his police interview. His forehead was 181 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,920 banged up and scratched. He had marks on his back. He was wearing 182 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:36,000 dirty pants. He looked pretty much like dog shit. Hey, yes, 183 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:37,759 sir, we wouldn't grab some burgers. Got a whopper here you want it? 184 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:44,000 Yah? Yeah, I'll work how means I appreciate hell, not a 185 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:48,000 problem. You think a you mosta with it or something? I wash my 186 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:51,599 hands. Honestly, you got some kind of Let me see what I can 187 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,319 do on that. Okay, I'm gonna bring some handgel or something real quick. 188 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,400 You go with that and a nascular out. Okay, you established in 189 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,839 you will some side water to drink? Chad? Have you guys? Yeah? 190 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,160 Have you got to get a soda or something? All right? To 191 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,519 thank Hi. After getting Chad his soda and hand sanitizer, they got down 192 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:17,480 to business, digging into who Chad is dream right, Yes, he used 193 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,359 to make a little bit of money. I can't all of new ship. 194 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:30,079 Yeah. How do your school just complete its high school? Yeah? Chad 195 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,839 didn't have an education. He could barely read or write, but he still 196 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:41,759 managed to run his own landscaping business. But things weren't going so well. 197 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,960 Chad took xanax to sleep every night, and adder all and percocet to keep 198 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:53,079 him alert every day. He drank quite a bit. He had a son 199 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,200 from a previous relationship, but he didn't see him much in the last two 200 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:00,960 years. I got some produces, you got some information for us. I 201 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,880 want to tell us some things about what's going on and what happened and kind 202 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,119 of your side of things to help us understand what happened? Can you kind 203 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,160 of just go through the last twenty four hours of men kind of tell me 204 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,200 what happened and what's going on? And it's like, yeah, beat up 205 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,359 a little bit. I don't know where you all are right really in all 206 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,559 this? Right? One? Okay? For two? What can I do 207 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,160 to help you understand where we're at? What do you what do you want 208 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,720 to Where can I start to get to get to that point? I mean, 209 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,079 ultimately we're here talking about this is what you happened the department over there? 210 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:33,640 I say, what happened? I mean ultimately that's what this is about. 211 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,559 Ultimately something happened over there, And I've got some pieces of a story, 212 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:40,759 but there's a lot of bit different parts of it, you know, 213 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:44,680 I'm trying to figure it out. So they started at the top, who 214 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,319 are you dating? Now? Who was? Just? Who's your girlfriend? 215 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:51,480 After the girl you had the baby with? Christina? Christina? They call 216 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,200 Ashley? Right, Okay, how long are you going hear it together? 217 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,119 Yeah? So y'all got off and on for a while. There is that 218 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,720 kind of what it was or what I mean not at first. Hell, 219 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,519 he verse, I ain't never had a woman taking me on a cruise. 220 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,680 I've never been on a cruise. Okay, we get together, we go 221 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,240 on a cruise, and I mean he's like, hell yeah, all right, 222 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:18,400 yeah, favor it was her someone who worked Okay, cool trip, 223 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,559 shit man, Yeah, yeah, it was all just a bait lines slinker. 224 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:30,079 Chad was painting himself in a strange light and creating a picture that made 225 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,000 Ashley up to be a rich lady with deep pockets, and he was just 226 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,200 an innocent sugar baby. Ashley had a good job as a medical assistant, 227 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:45,839 but she wasn't wealthy by any means. She worked hard to provide for her 228 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,119 son and save money by living with her sister. There was a sister too 229 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,759 that had to be took care of. Here's that what he said. Okay, 230 00:22:55,039 --> 00:23:02,720 so part of the package, Yeah, was over her. A lot 231 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:07,880 of jealousy issues and shit, you know between the two sisters. Yeah, 232 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,880 I don't really know what they ever, so likely with each other kind of 233 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,000 thing or like jealous of the time you were spending with her. Yeah, 234 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:18,599 so she was. It was about it was above man. It was like 235 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:26,680 it was a fucking mild mind ride like constantly. But Chad said that most 236 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,359 of the bickering between himself and Ashley had to do with the fact that he 237 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,000 had a son from a previous relationship. Was that what most yells bicker rule 238 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:41,039 was about, it is your son? What was your other stuff? Well? 239 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:44,759 How hard she went up me about that or deal? You know? 240 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:48,799 It kind of made me kind of wonder, like, well, what day 241 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,799 you got going on? You know what I mean? He was gonna send 242 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:56,440 in the beginning or was this more in her recent Chad said that the son's 243 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:03,039 mother was the one that had warned him about Ashley my baker's mom. She 244 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,119 wanted to do our lady's mother. It's hard to say that. Sorry, 245 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:12,839 you still have a good relationship with your child's mother. I mean considering, 246 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,519 yeah, she this whole she told him when I first got one. I'm 247 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:27,680 sure. Yeah, they used to be your girlfriends at a little a little 248 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,839 I get the part where it's it's hard. I mean, you got you 249 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,880 got mixed families with kids, you got things going on, there's all kind 250 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,039 of craziness, you know, you got the relationships are hard to begin with. 251 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,799 At the end of the day, you can't be. I mean, 252 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:48,400 we're not the same. The cops were really hamming it up to make Chad 253 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:53,279 think they were on his side. They really do put on quite the show 254 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,759 to me. I think he's a woman's world of control. You know, 255 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,680 they got the power. I mean, at the end of the day, 256 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,559 they control things. But yeah, it drives us the same. But yeah, 257 00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:07,000 at the same time, we can't live up for guys, we get 258 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:12,599 it. Chad admitted that his relationship with Ashley was far from perfect, but 259 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,559 he skirted any blame and swept it over to someone else. He was just 260 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,839 the innocent party in this whole situation. Lisa was a pesky, jealous sister. 261 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:29,799 Ashley had issues with his ax, so he barely saw his son. 262 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:34,400 They're out of nowhere. Chad said he slept with Lisa, which kind of 263 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:41,440 complicated the situation. Well, he never like they did, you know? 264 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:48,880 But good, I guess you young Book's term of it. What would you 265 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,359 call it? Kid? All right? He did? Did I actually know 266 00:25:52,559 --> 00:26:00,319 that? I don't know. This is when detectives gave Chad a much need 267 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,400 a dose of reality. There's a pictures her her beat up pretty good, 268 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,039 so as that we're talking about yet her at the rossphol and everything right, 269 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,400 all right, those pictures are getting put up big Yeah, I got it, 270 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,119 got all kind of blowed all all out of different wax and all that 271 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,359 ship. When it actually happened, we was out there on Beaver Street. 272 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:22,920 Okay, you can actually uh yeah, going up look at it. Probably 273 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:27,200 probably you know, I mean, I probably can't. I have a have 274 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:33,640 a chance review that reything to tell. I mean, if you know Amanda 275 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,960 goes to the does that to her? What hell? Am I going here 276 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,720 and to the hospital and I'll sit here with you for I'm sitting in the 277 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:44,839 mother and I realized the cowboald down is like wait a minute, bro, 278 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,799 this ain't look this ain't seeming right here, you know what I mean? 279 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,480 Because I could tell the body language and how it's like and the annoy the 280 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:57,920 officer kind of looking and all like wait, oh you playing, Oh you've 281 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,599 playing? So she was playing games with that part? Yeah yeah, man, 282 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,079 what she didn't do it? No, It was this is where things 283 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,759 started to fall apart for Chad. Prior to his arrest, the Rucker family 284 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:18,640 had shared pictures of Ashley with the media, mainly photos Ashley herself had documented 285 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:25,440 of beatings Chad had given her. There was one infamous photograph of her in 286 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:30,200 the hospital. She had two black eyes, as well as a bandaged nose 287 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:37,640 and lips. Chad is snuggling beside her in the photograph, knowing that Chad 288 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:44,559 was the one who did this to her. Ashley's family called the police when 289 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:48,440 they showed up at the hospital. Chad played innocent and Ashley did not press 290 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:55,279 charges. That's what he's mumbling about in the clip we just played you. 291 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:02,119 This seemed to be a pattern. Chad would hit ash she would confide in 292 00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:07,680 someone, but when the police became involved, she wouldn't file a charge. 293 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:14,319 Sadly, this is a pretty common thing, and Chad always had an excuse 294 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,799 for her injuries. Her eye. She was leaving. It was a Friday 295 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:26,119 night, total people up there at the damn the hospital. She tripped over 296 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,319 the dog, hit a motor, one of my motors on the engine stand. 297 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,000 But I'm going to kick her bag that she was packing the leave you 298 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,839 in as she was leaning over, and that's actually what happened to her eyes. 299 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,200 I never put my hands on her. Chad had an excuse for every 300 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,640 bruise, but there were many witnesses to corroborate otherwise. Ashley's older sister, 301 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,720 Jennifer said this he wasn't just making my sister around a little bit. He 302 00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:00,599 was meeting her like he was eating meat. Ashley and Lisa's father and stepmother 303 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:06,440 said they too knew about the abuse Chad inflicted on Ashley. She tried to 304 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,759 get away from him, and like most abusers, he always weaseled his way 305 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,920 back in through a combination of fear and manipulation. They were trying to get 306 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,319 away from news, climbing up balconies, tern screen doors, down on slide 307 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:26,359 glass doors, putting guns to her heads. Horrible. She's a very sick 308 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:32,200 man. Another time, in twenty fifteen, Chad called Lisa saying that Ashley 309 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:37,880 had gone crazy and stabbed herself in the stomach. Chad then called the police, 310 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,559 saying his girlfriend had tried to kill herself. While Chad was distracted with 311 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,480 nine one one, Ashley managed to get in her car and rushed herself to 312 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:52,960 the hospital, where surgeons sewed up her wounds. Concerned, the doctor asked 313 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:59,920 Ashley how this happened, noting it's almost physically impossible for you to stab yourself 314 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:07,000 through your abdomen wall The incident was reported as a suicide attempt, and Ashley 315 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,279 didn't argue. During one beating in twenty seventeen, Ashley called nine one. 316 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,680 Chad grabbed his gun and threatened to kill himself, so Ashley barricaded herself in 317 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,839 the bedroom and escaped at the window where cops were waiting to get her to 318 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:30,440 safety. The cops reasoned with Chad, and because he had calmed down and 319 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:37,680 stopped making threats, they left. Even Lisa spoke out about Chad's control over 320 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:42,759 her sister. He killed someone that loved him. My sister really loved him, 321 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,400 because if she didn't, she would have send jail A long time ago, 322 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,799 but Ashley wasn't the first woman Chad abused. In two thousand and six, 323 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,759 he was arrested and served three years for domestic violence and stalking after he 324 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,440 threatened to kill his ex girlfriend after she broke things off with Chad. He 325 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,799 began to follow her to her job, her home, and her school, 326 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:17,000 telling her he still loved her. He even used the stereotypical stalker line, 327 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,599 if I can't have you no one, Well, how completely original. This 328 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,799 guy's a real Chad. If you know what I mean, Chad would call 329 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,839 her constantly and even cut off the head of a teddy bear she gave him, 330 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:40,559 leaving the head on her driveway and the body near her car at work. 331 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:48,279 What a sociopath. Chad's ex girlfriend filed police reports and got a restraining 332 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,559 order, but that didn't stop Chad. He kept harassing her until one night. 333 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,000 It all came to a head after he showed up at her house shooting 334 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:05,880 his gun. Four bullets pierced the home. He was arrested and then charged. 335 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,440 The police knew all of this. Chad was a felon with a record 336 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,960 a mile long, including a felony charge for hitting a man with his business 337 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:23,920 truck which said Tea's Landscaping on the side the name of Chad's company. That's 338 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,880 how brazen this motherfucker is. The arrest report stated that Chad drove into the 339 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:37,920 pedestrians so hard his mirror fell off, then yelled that's what you get for 340 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,960 being in the road. He was later arrested when police found his banged up 341 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:47,599 work truck and his friend's driveway only a few miles away. So this is 342 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:55,440 Chad absure in a nutshell, convicted felon abuse of stalker, world class dumbass. 343 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:01,839 This is who the police had been sitting with for almost four hours. 344 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,480 Now it was time to cut the crap and get down to what happened on 345 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:12,880 the night that Lisa and Ashley were shot. Remember, at the top of 346 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,039 the episode, Chad told the court that the night started with a simple pizza 347 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:22,920 dinner at home. So we'll begin there. So I'll get back from getting 348 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,119 pizza and what happened. Take sleeps Helen. Does it usually take you to 349 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:37,319 betterfect you? Probably? The fireball speed it up. I got much food 350 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:42,279 in with stomach sometimes and then sometimes it don't really do nothing. Yeah, 351 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,599 it is outpens on whatever if I guess in the mood, I man. 352 00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:51,920 After the pizza, Chad took his usual Xanax bar and chased it down with 353 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,720 a little fireball if you know what that is, and then he got ready 354 00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:01,079 to go to bed with Ashley and her son Joseph of ah the joys of 355 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:08,960 cramped apartment living. You know, I'm just going to sleep, and next 356 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:17,280 thing I know, Joseph jumps out and runs out, and here Lisa and 357 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,039 the dude is on me and they I don't know who, and always got 358 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,280 what I thought there was a the good being the new worker. Yeah, 359 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,960 okay. This time, Chad said that Lisa and Lyle jumped him out of 360 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:36,039 nowhere. A struggle developed and somehow the rifle hidden in the couch was pulled 361 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,519 out and fired. No details though, So actually had the gun, you 362 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:45,559 said, right, and you went to grab it from her, which it 363 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:52,320 went off, and I grab it the gun and turn like this and she 364 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,280 just see other fight of the gun, right and he goes off a second 365 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,199 though, right, So actually pulls up the first time, as far as 366 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,159 you know, you didn't know hill at the first shot. You grab it. 367 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,760 Yeah, now you're tussling grabbed it before went off. Yeah, we're 368 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,559 somewhat tussling over it. When I went off the first time, No, 369 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,800 he said, first time over went off. She shot it the first time, 370 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:22,599 right right. The second time gun just went off. You grab it 371 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:28,199 from her now and you start fighting over the gun. Not fighting, you'll 372 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,960 get shot of this gun. You grab it to start getting away from her, 373 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:36,800 right and as this happens, she gets shot. Right. Chad said, 374 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,679 it was all just a big accident. Ashley shot Lisa. Then when 375 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,400 he tried to get the gun away, Ashley shot herself. But this wasn't 376 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:53,719 a handgun or a pistol. This was a large nine millimeter high point carbine 377 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,599 rifle. This is a serious weapon that kind of makes you a little scared 378 00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:05,239 if you aren't familiar with the firearms. So why on earth was that hidden 379 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,480 in the couch of an apartment that housed two young children? I guess, 380 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,599 I guess. My question is is why why do you keep that around? 381 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,119 Is it can? Yeah, let me understand that part of it. Why 382 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,800 why do you feel need to have a gun with you? Not a wrong 383 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,960 or right answer either. I'm just again trying to understand why that makes sense 384 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,880 when I'm asking, I mean why I'm asking it? And you accounts are 385 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:35,679 getting food and all different. I don't know you trust usually lying to you? 386 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,599 Who really? I mean you never really. Part of my job is 387 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,480 investigating, And like I told you when I sat down, I'm not a 388 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,800 judger. I don't come in here to make a decision of what's right or 389 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,199 wrong. I go in, I look at what happens. I'll talk to 390 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,320 witnesses, I look at evidence, I get the facts, I get the 391 00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:52,719 supporting evidence. I need to look at the case, and I try to 392 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,400 go from there. In this case, I've been able to be with them 393 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,679 and a lot of what you're telling me to just ride along. But there's 394 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,360 a bit and pieces of it are quite right. It was more than just 395 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:09,639 bits and pieces. The story Chad's spun seemed completely implausible because here's the ultimate 396 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,360 thing. You can see it here and run thing you mind. Well, 397 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:19,119 you know, they're all in Caho's together against you. But as he said, 398 00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:22,920 we weren't reute patrols and reute to y'all's place. Anyways, they get 399 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:27,559 there. One of the first things we do when we get there, as 400 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,679 we separate everybody involved, so they're not going to have time to coaborate their 401 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,199 stories, okay, and at the end of the day, I mean even 402 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920 the kids. We separate the kids from the parents, which is the hardest 403 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,639 part. Which is the hardest part. That's like a four year old kid 404 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,280 that as us bomb get shots, pull them away for everything in the world 405 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,880 of gloves and everything he cares about, and just watch some good, poor 406 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,360 thing and it you know, two three o'clock in the morning, these kids 407 00:37:52,440 --> 00:38:01,400 are half asleep and they're gonna they give the exact same story as Lisa and 408 00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:08,360 the two boys, same story I'll tell you this. You said that ash 409 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:15,559 is a manipulator that you know, Lisa's her sisters. She's probably half fullshit. 410 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,039 Sometimes I get that law. We don't know him from anybody else, 411 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,639 you know what, Maybe they're lying, but what doesn't happen. We don't 412 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,000 bring four year old or nine year olds down here and ask them what happens 413 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,760 to mine and they don't come in here and lie because they don't. They 414 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,920 don't have that nature yet they're not. They're innocent kids. They're innocent kids 415 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,599 that don't know any better than they're so brutally awesome to everything that it's the 416 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,519 thing that the truth comes out of their mouth. That's right. The two 417 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:49,119 boys watched everything happen. The innocent, blameless children of Ashley and Lisa saw 418 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:51,880 the whole thing. What were they doing, you know, they're in a 419 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,199 house and they're watching things go crazy. That's the worst part of this day. 420 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,840 That's that's anything that happened. This one was that kissed me off, 421 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,320 where anything else is. These kids had to watch the happened. You know, 422 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960 both of them went to the fact that they're watching their moms plead out 423 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,079 in the middle of the living room. They're covering in blood, they're walking 424 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,000 around with death and on. But uh, what they had on all? 425 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,079 Joseph Pennel was prevon we're towle writing. I thinks we had on money. 426 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,280 He wasn't wearing anything. I mean, it's when I get there and I 427 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,920 see these kids, it burned my heart. You gotta help me out with 428 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,800 this thing. Man, you gotta, you gotta tell me the whole story. 429 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,639 Man, You've gotta You've gotta lay this out for me and let me 430 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,039 understand where we're at, because I don't want these kids have to tell the 431 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:34,599 story again. But tugging on Chad's heart strings don't work. Either the strings 432 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:39,039 had been frayed and snapped decades ago, or he didn't have any to begin 433 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:45,039 with. And no, I gotta my boy, And I'm not taking a 434 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:50,280 rap for some ship that a man. Yeah, I've told them when I 435 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,440 started back coming to her did I'm not taking a hit for nobody else No 436 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:58,440 more. I'm told it mother that Yeah, So that was it. Chad 437 00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:02,400 was going to make Ashley Son tell the story of what really happened the night 438 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:08,519 he watched his mother die. This time, the entire nation would be watching 439 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:15,639 this time, Chad would not have a hamburger to snack on while two cops 440 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:22,480 pretended to take his side, He'd be on the witness stand with nothing but 441 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:50,440 his lies to comfort him. Sisters Lisa and Ashley Rucker had been shot in 442 00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:54,280 the head in their apartment after a fight broke out between the girls and Ashley's 443 00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:00,119 boyfriend, Chad Absher. Chad had fled the apartment after the shooting, leaving 444 00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:06,199 Ashley dead and Lisa clinging to life. Chad had been arrested and charged with 445 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,559 the murder, but he was sticking to his story. Ashley shot Lisa, 446 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:20,559 then accidentally shot herself. He was completely innocent. There were four witnesses in 447 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:25,400 the home that night, Ashley's son Joseph, Lisa's son Colton, Lisa, 448 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:32,119 herself, and Lisa's boyfriend Lyle, but all three of the boys weren't in 449 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:37,360 the living room when the gun was fired. Lyle was testy with police on 450 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,599 the night of the murder, but after Chad was arrested, he opened up 451 00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:47,360 to the media about what he saw that night. Lyle said that both couples 452 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,000 were in their bedrooms, then he heard a knock on Lisa's bedroom door. 453 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,880 Her son came being in on the door. You say, Lyle, he's 454 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,480 smoking my mom. He's choking my mom. Lisa and Lyle ran into Ashley's 455 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:06,880 room. Chad was on top of Ashley. His meaty hands were wrapped so 456 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:12,320 tightly around her neck. Her face was turning purple. Lisa screamed she was 457 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,760 going to call the cops, and Chad jumped off Ashley and lunged at Lisa. 458 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,760 He then put his hand on Lisa. I rushed him, and I 459 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,679 knocked him out and knocked him into the closet. He was out cold. 460 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,400 I'm telling everyone we need to go. Lisa literally is guiding me down the 461 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,079 stairs. When we get down to the bottom of the stairs, Lisa's like, 462 00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,679 my sister still of stairs, my sister still upstairs. Don't leave, 463 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,239 loud, Please don't leave, Please don't leave me. I said, look, 464 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,039 Lisa, I'm not going nowhere. I'm not going anywhere at all. 465 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,800 Get them, we will get into we'll get a hotel, whatever we have 466 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,840 to do. Lisa goes back upstairs, and not even twenty seconds later, 467 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,599 I hear the first gunshot, and I hear a scream, and then I 468 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,480 hear another gun shot. Soon Lisa was well enough to speak to the media 469 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:05,480 too. She had a tracheotomy and spoke by placing her finger to cover a 470 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,679 hole in her throat. Now I thought I was gonna die. I did. 471 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,280 I saw him with the gun. He shot me, and then I 472 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,039 heard her scream, and I when I heard her scream and everything was black, 473 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,480 I saw a light. It looked like it was like blue and white 474 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:28,719 in the corner of my eye, and it felt like I was hauling and 475 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,400 drowning at the same time. At that point, after heard the gunshots, 476 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,400 I went to the stairwell next to me, and I crouched down, and 477 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,760 I'm looking up at the stairwell and I see Chad acts at the stairwell and 478 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,519 put a gun in his waist and zip his jacket up. But I saw 479 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:47,119 my sister laying on the ground, and the boys were running back and horse 480 00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:52,280 and her and I saying, please don't die. I dropped to my knees 481 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:58,360 and I'm holding Ashley's head in my hand and I'm holding her and I'm holding 482 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,400 Leas's hand and I'm telling Lisa, you need to fight Chinessa to be strong, 483 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:06,119 and like I'm hysterically crying, I'm kissing Ashley only head. I know 484 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,159 she's already dead. I had heard him say before that he was going to 485 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,880 kill us all, but he also would say things like, no one's ever 486 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,800 going to touch y'all. You know, he would act like he would protect 487 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,840 us, so you know, I never thought that he would actually shoot us. 488 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,199 Ashley was only thirty years old when Chad killed her. Lisa was twenty 489 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:37,079 eight. It took five years for the case to go to trial. Lisa 490 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:42,760 had made great strides in her recovery and looked like a completely different woman when 491 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,880 she entered the courtroom to face her sister's killer. The case had made waves 492 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,880 in the public, and though everyone believed Chad was guilty, there was still 493 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:59,360 the question of why, why on this night did things escalate to murder? 494 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:06,639 Soon, the public would have answers. Chad's strategy in court was similar to 495 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:14,840 a large Egyptian river denial. He didn't do anything. Ashley was the shooter, 496 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,199 and Lyle started the fight out of nowhere, just like the cops feared. 497 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,880 Ashley's son took the stand to testify about what he saw that night. 498 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,079 Joseph was fourteen now, and he'd been living in New Jersey with his father 499 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:42,320 since Ashley was murdered? Yes? And Arson, do you can you have 500 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,880 a memory of what happened to your Yes? Were you able to sleep through 501 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,000 the night on to her? Thirty first one? Seven? Now? And 502 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,159 when not? Because of what happened? Just like Lyle had told the media, 503 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,800 Joseph recalled how Chad started king Ashley on the bed, so he ran 504 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,840 to get help from Lisa. And did you go okay? Yes? And 505 00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:13,840 is that because the printed with Lendo over home? Yes? And who did 506 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,880 you go get over Lisa? The fight between adults migrated into the living room 507 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,400 while Colton and Joseph hid in Lisa's room. Did you hear anything moving on 508 00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:35,719 outside of the Desbrod Yes? What did you care? Do you who says 509 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,639 you were hearing Lisa the wrong che Did you hear while at all of that 510 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,320 zone? I don't think so. Did you hear something else to Joe? 511 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,400 Yes? What did you hear? No? Shocks? What happened after you 512 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:59,599 heard that shocks? Room? Who did you see your list? Then? 513 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:07,760 Line? Let me say, did you say that Lisa? Did you show 514 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:15,119 m Yes? What did you see about your long her dead? Next? 515 00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:21,760 Lisa got up on the stand the jagged's scar on her jaw was an obvious 516 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,840 battle wound from the night she lost her sister. Lisa said that she, 517 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,360 Lyle, and Colton returned to the condo around eight pm. Everyone eight pizza, 518 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,840 but it was clear that Chad and Ashley had been arguing. Well, 519 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:46,800 your sister and the party at the Yes and Jar see your arguing about her 520 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:54,320 parties was a car. The sister had a La Mercedes. You're sister round 521 00:47:54,440 --> 00:48:07,679 parties at yes and then Yes when he did your sister eventually Yes. Ashley 522 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,760 and Chad had been fighting over her car. He wanted the keys and she 523 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,519 refused. After he finally gave them back, she hid them on her person 524 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,360 when he wasn't looking. When the police processed her dead body later that evening, 525 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:31,199 they found the keys nestled in her bra. Lisa's story was consistent with 526 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,199 Joseph's. She was the most credible living witness. She had known Chad for 527 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:43,159 years. She was sober on the night of the murder, unlike Chad, 528 00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:49,679 who had been taking his usual nightcap of fireball, whiskey and xanax. After 529 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:55,440 Joseph screamed for help, Lisa and Lyle went into Ashley's room. Now to 530 00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:04,039 your sister's that what was that? My sister is laying on the bed. 531 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:10,880 Chad is kind of sitting on the edge of the bed next to her, 532 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:22,039 and do you say anything? I believe Mile said sitting work with your hands 533 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:30,119 a woman and Chad got out with my sister jumped out of the bed and 534 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:37,280 round the room. I got in between Chad and Lyle and grabbed my nephew's 535 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:43,079 sell them And that was at the end of my sister's bed and looked at 536 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:47,000 the Chad and told him I was calling nine on one. And the defendant 537 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:52,239 pushed you. Yes, out of the way, Yes, did a lot 538 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,880 of out of that, you know. I spoon as he pushed me while 539 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,320 I started hitting him. Did you you want one? I did? No, 540 00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:10,440 No, I don't want Okay, what's going on there? And then 541 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,639 an occupation I think someone believe they will not get out of my apartment. 542 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,480 No, mother, not keep getting if you're a call. You were repeatedly 543 00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:27,519 saying no bone, no Why both viol and Tea were telling me to hand 544 00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:34,119 up the phone. It also masked abl drows an alcohol about three. Why 545 00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:38,159 do you say no to that? I thought, just the phone home and 546 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:45,280 being Japanie, but I didn't do it. No, did you ask the 547 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:52,760 defensively multiple times? Did your sister ask defensively multiple times? At this time? 548 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,119 Was the defendant an unadvided person? Yes, Chad wasn't supposed to be 549 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,119 at the Rucker House that night. He and Nashley were broken up. He 550 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:10,800 had weaseled his way back, trying to use her car like a typical deadbeat 551 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:20,400 boyfriend. Now after he made us call, what happened? So there I 552 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,360 phone call. I had to walk away because there was a film. I 553 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,519 need to hang up the phone. So I walked back, changed my sister's 554 00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:37,119 edom and Lyle and chat or young Mat shutter my whole chat that I called 555 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,559 the police and police are on their way. That he needed to leave. 556 00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:45,679 That's when he pushed me and the fight started. Let me see if I 557 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:52,679 started between you Lyle on chat and then the fight starts. We're thinking about 558 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:58,480 the diagram, say seven ten, was there any area between your sister Venom 559 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:02,000 and that hallway? Guess me, right in her doorway basically, and then 560 00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:06,840 also too where we selady are Lenning closet, you know, Sam, That's 561 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:13,159 where the fight ended. Chatto was basically he was beat down into the Lenning 562 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:20,559 closet. Now, how did the fight between the defendant and a lile hind? 563 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,920 My sister came to the edge of the home, away from the lighting 564 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:35,360 room and told me to stop the fight because Chadi had done Did you tell 565 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,800 a lot of that? Yes? And did aw stop by a chat? 566 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:45,960 Yes. Ashley was the only one who knew about the rifle chatted hidden in 567 00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:50,519 the couch. Yeah, I'm kind of walking back and we're talking to Ashley 568 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:58,440 and Lyle. Once I held Lyle at the that Chad had done file downstairs. 569 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,199 I went for him to make sure that he was okay, and he 570 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,320 told me to go back and checking my sister. I went out upstairs, 571 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:15,400 and that's when I saw Chad was walking in the circle around the condo. 572 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:20,360 Basically, I thought it was pacing this. You justest in a fight, 573 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,039 you know, blowing off seat. That's what I thought. Lisa went back 574 00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:28,960 upstairs to check on everyone. The boys were still in her bedroom after all, 575 00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:34,320 and that's when things got worse. I thought that the police were coming 576 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,239 and they would be there in a minute. The boys would eventually need to 577 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,559 come out of my bedroom, so I grabbed some clean stuff from underneath the 578 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:52,599 kitchen cabinet and started cleaning the well the floor and there was a drop to 579 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:58,119 help him the clean yes, and she helped. We separated the limb post 580 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,719 what has along it, but didn't have a lot now she finished me on 581 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:13,079 the blood No W, howdo my he refereal vision? I was watching Chad 582 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,480 and he walked to her by bedroom door and I thought that he was gonna 583 00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:23,039 go into my bedroom. So I was a day him and he had passed 584 00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:30,760 my bedroom to bar in her living room to brads W. I was from 585 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,280 behind my chair cushion. Are you the longer Anthony finding out the world? 586 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,159 Guess me? Okay, that's a the gun from my hide chair cushion. 587 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,519 I looked straight at him, only the guy at me, and he said, 588 00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:47,480 so that's how it is, Lisa, did you say it? I 589 00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:53,719 don't remember. Did your sister saying? I believe she said, don't think 590 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,199 that at her. That's why I remember. He pointed the guy at me 591 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,559 and I didn't. He was one. She decide to turn my head down. 592 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:09,880 And as soon as I went to turn everything with black Star story all 593 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,760 that year was the ringing. I couldn't see anything. I was in it 594 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:23,440 out of consciousness, release a one about here? So that was it? 595 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:30,039 A fight over car keys escalated, the one woman dead and her sister critically 596 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:37,119 injured. Chatted the audacity to take the stand. He relayed the same story 597 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,880 he did for the police, perhaps thinking he was going to trick them and 598 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:50,599 manipulate them like he had this former girlfriend. The prosecutor was having none of 599 00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,920 it. Karen and love Joseph like your own son. Correct. However, 600 00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:05,880 he left is another work dead, and you left Lisa her dead dead too. 601 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:12,840 You thought Lisa was dead too, didn't you? In that you thought 602 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,960 you were going to leave no witnesses didn't and you thought they would both dead, 603 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:22,320 and you you led out that conqueror or off Juber thirty first, didn't 604 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:32,679 he therefore leading no witnesses to what you did? Correct? Chad tried to 605 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:39,559 explain to the jury how exactly Ashley shot Lisa then managed to turn a nineteen 606 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:45,400 inch long rifle on herself. He got up and did a big pantomime of 607 00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:51,920 all of his lies. But the holes were too easy to poke in this 608 00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:57,440 story. You talked about spinnering right, spin room matter that you even stepped 609 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,039 down. Today you show us about spinner around with the gun. Correct, 610 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:06,119 yes, okay, So how did that spin around a her? And that 611 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,840 small little area there, It looks small from this angle, but it's not 612 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,880 a small area. We'll atch your charger. You just answer my questions. 613 00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:20,400 Yes man, that's not a big area. Is there's plenty of room for 614 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,199 her that do occur? Okay? You agree that there's no partners or disturbed 615 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:30,039 too, correct, yes man? Okay, So there is nothing around that 616 00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:35,679 area that showed the struggle over a gun of her. Correct. Well, 617 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,360 that never say it was a struggle. You never said it was a struggle. 618 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,199 Okay, But didn't you say that you all were struggling over the gun. 619 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,760 She didn't wanna let to go about it wasn't she wouldn't. We wouldn't 620 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,239 like tustle and fight me your little gun. She just well, she told 621 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,719 her gun and then when I twisted, I ran. But your your megger. 622 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,920 Never tolust your trigger. And that's what you told us, right, 623 00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:01,400 yes man. So she shot herself with that rifle in the back of her 624 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,679 head, going pottentionally, she shot herself and the back of the head with 625 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:15,800 their rifle. Correct, okay, And how did that happen? How did 626 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,559 she shoot her something the back of the head with their rifle. Chad couldn't 627 00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:24,159 explain it because it was the dumbest lie ever told. I'm seriously surprised that 628 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,840 his defense team went along with it. Didn't these people graduate from law school. 629 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,599 The prosecutor held up a yardstick for Chad and the jury, demonstrating how 630 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,199 physically impossible it would be for Ashley to shoot herself in the back of the 631 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:45,840 head with a rifle in case just saying that out loud isn't obvious enough. 632 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,119 You agree that my finger only goes to the ends to where the barrel will 633 00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:55,079 be correct, and it would be even harder if it's in the back of 634 00:58:55,199 --> 00:59:05,519 my head correct for me to reach. Do you agree that I can't even 635 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:09,400 reach it? Would do it? Were you again? Okay, so I 636 00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:14,599 got in the back of your head and I'm reaching. I can't even reach 637 00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:21,880 Canna. So how in the world would Ashley pulled trigger and shoot herself in 638 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:28,519 the back of the head. I don't know. I didn't say that because 639 00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:35,000 it didn't happen that way. Didn't even though physically it's not possible, that 640 00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,599 physic possible. You're using the yard state where are we going into it? 641 00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:44,880 In court? Chad was rude, defensive, and arrogant. Even with his 642 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,360 own female lawyer. He strutted off the witness stand like a proud gorilla. 643 00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:54,920 Was he really dumb enough to think at any one of those jerors would find 644 00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:00,519 reasonable doubt in the prosecution. Well, if he did, he was wrong, 645 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,559 because they sure didn't. The Florida birds. Chad Asher ask, cant 646 01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:09,840 one we the jury finding defended guilty of orthree murdered as charged in the day, 647 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,880 We'd rather find the feeling was premeditated. We'd rather find the feeling What 648 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,880 does during the commission or attended the commission of a felonies to wit attended first 649 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,360 degree premeditated birth? Ask the count too, We the durayminded defended guilty of 650 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:29,079 attended worth pre premeditated murder and ask charge in the day We've got to defend 651 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:32,239 a discharged bar causing death or very bottling car during the commission of the effen 652 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,519 Chad was guilty. Lisa then spoke to the court. If a person can 653 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:43,320 sit five years in jail and have all that time to think about what they 654 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,920 have done, but they come into the four room with lies and false intend. 655 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,480 I simply cannot believe that I asked any n pars for what he has 656 01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:55,880 done. Fire alone. I love because Chad took the last person that I 657 01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:04,960 could go to for advice, for help, for understand for love, holidays 658 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:12,239 alone because the last namely. The judge gave Chad Abstra two life sentences and 659 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,800 fifteen extra years for possessing a firearm as a convicted felon. After his sentence 660 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,280 was handed out, Chad turned and blew kisses to Lisa and the jurors. 661 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:30,440 Lisa spoke to the media outside the court. I am glad that he got 662 01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:37,079 the maximum sentence that was allowed. Now no one will ever possibly be hurt 663 01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:44,079 by him again. The family stood together outside while the media watched. They 664 01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:50,599 read a poem Ashley loved, then released butterflies into the sky in her honor. 665 01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:17,559 Chad Absher was simply just a bad person, a true monster. I'm 666 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:23,199 sure you've probably met a few people like him in your life. He thought 667 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:29,400 he was above the law and that he could control any woman who entered his 668 01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:36,119 life, whether he was stalking an ex girlfriend, beating Ashley's face in running 669 01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:39,840 over a pedestrian with his truck, or lying to the entire world in a 670 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:46,000 court of law, it didn't matter. Chad was the kind of person who 671 01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:52,760 felt no remorse for anyone. He never shed a tear at Ashley's murder trial. 672 01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:58,800 He just looked over at her family, the family that he destroyed, 673 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:06,400 blew them all a kiss. Ashley's family all wanted her to get away from 674 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,039 Chad. Her father, her siblings, and even her uncle's tried to tell 675 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:16,760 her that the only road this relationship would lead to was death. They knew 676 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:23,159 Chad was dangerous, and he had proven it time and time again every time 677 01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:30,440 he beat Ashley and then posted a photo of her on Facebook. Ashley's family 678 01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:35,440 members called the cops on Chad many times, but charges, for some reason, 679 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,679 were never pressed. The point is that everyone in Ashley's life tried to 680 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:47,679 get Chad away from her. Even Ashley herself tried to get away from him, 681 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:57,119 but he was persistent. He was manipulative, he was controlling, and 682 01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:02,440 he always managed to get back to her, soften her up, and make 683 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:09,440 her take him back in. There was no stopping him. Chad was pure 684 01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:15,440 evil and he didn't care about anyone else but himself. We'll never know why 685 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,360 Chad ended up the way he did. But what we do know is that 686 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:29,840 he is finally where he deserves to be, alone in prison. Hopefully life 687 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:35,559 behind bars is as cruel to him as he was cruel to Ashley and the 688 01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:42,599 rest of the women unfortunate enough to cross his path. Maybe he'll learn what 689 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:49,239 remorse actually is. But something tells me that he lacks the capability to harness 690 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:59,679 such emotions, because that's what a real monster is. That does it for 691 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,920 another episode of Sword and Scale. If you are with a violent partner, 692 01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:11,199 do not accept the unacceptable. You are loved and there is help out there 693 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:18,239 called the National Domestic Violence Hotline at one eight hundred seven nine nine seven two 694 01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:40,400 three three and please stay safe. Well that's gonna do it. Thank you 695 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,559 for joining us. If you want a shirt or a hat or some other 696 01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,239 kind of cool stuff, check out our store store dot Sword and Scale dot 697 01:05:47,280 --> 01:06:20,000 com. Stay safe. Hey, I started listening to your podcasts at episode 698 01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:25,920 one and I currently own the episode one sixty eight. I liked what you 699 01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:30,440 said about not talking to the top, but because of an incident that my 700 01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:36,199 son had at school, I tell parents all the time, keep your children 701 01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:43,239 not to talk to the school people. The principal, assistant principal, teachers, 702 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,679 shut up and call your parents. Anything a child says to a principal 703 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,280 or school teachers can be used can afford a lass, even though they're miners. 704 01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:59,360 If they call that they say, say call my parents, and then 705 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,760 the parents hit there and the police come. The police have to have the 706 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:10,320 parents presents talk to Myers. School does not tell your children shut up and 707 01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:15,719 have them called me. Don't talk to them because just like you look at 708 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,559 a your innocence keeps from in trouble