We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky,
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our website as well. We are back joined once again by one of my
very favorite reporters in the business. That would be Todd Bensman. He's obviously
a senior National Security fellow over at the Center for Immigration Studies and an author
of the extremely timely book is called Overrun. It's about the Biden Border,
and he's also the author of America's cover Border War. Todd, thank you
so much for joining the show. Thank you for having me. I appreciate
it. So you have written a lot recently on Europe. In fact,
you just were telling me you spent a month in Europe reporting on some of
the migration challenges there. You have a piece of the American mind, the
national interest. We'll get to that before we do, because immigration has been
probably the hottest story in the media this week. Somehow, during a presidential
election cycle, Todd the battleover especially Eagle Pass, the Razor Wire operation.
Loan Star went to the Supreme Court. There's some complicated legal questions about what
the Supreme Court decision actually meant. Can you just give us Todd your reaction
to everything that's transpired this week, because you've been reporting on this area for
years and years and years. Yeah, Texas, Texas has engaged the federal
government and a kind of a classic states rights versus federalism battle. It's a
contest we haven't seen, we haven't seen the likes of one of these and
any many decades to this degree where Texas is taking into its own hands a
federal job border security and illegal immigration and trying to stop blocking de Turret because
Texas is ground zero of this greatest mass migration crisis in US history. I
mean, more crossover into Texas than any other state by far. It's the
beginning and the end of the whole thing. And Texas is red. Is
a blood red Republican state too. So the governor feels like he has to
do something, and the things that he chosen to do are in direct opposition
to all of the things that the Biden White House wants to do, which
is to assist the entries of as many foreign nationals as possibly can get in
in the shortest amount of time. It's been going on for three years that
way, and so it puts these two entities at loggerheads, obviously, And
that's on the ground. I mean, they have come close to fisticuffs down
there. Border Patrol agents and Texas CPS and National Guard. They've been in
terrible nose to those arguments over who gets this group of immigrants and whether or
not the razor wire that Texas laid down is in the way of the Feds,
and that sort of thing that's been going on for many months heating up,
but also in the course all the way bouncing off the Supreme Court many
times there's more rulings coming from the Supreme Court. Is this is, you
know, does Texas have the right to stop, block and deter on its
own and to pick out federal agents and block federal agents from the border,
which is kind of what they're doing now. They see a forty five acre
park in Egle Pass called Shelby Park because that's ground zero of that sector.
Thousands of immigrants trying to cross from Piedris Negris into Eagle pass and Texas has
fortified that area. It looks like something out of World War One battlefields,
you know. I mean it's you know, trenches and barbed wire everywhere and
fencing and you know, it's really otherworldly in that area. But the border
patrol agents represent to the immigrants a symbol of we're getting in and being allowed
in. So if they can find their way past the Texans to the green
uniforms, they get let in forever into the country. And so they were
literally the immigrants are are using this to their this contest to their own benefit.
They're finding their way to the border patrol. Border patrol is finding their
way to them. It's like this big love fest between immigrants and green uniform
guys, with Texas sort of kind of you know, blocking the Romeo Juliet
Union there. And so they kicked out border patrol from from Shelby Park.
They had a border patrol had a processing station right there, and it was
just irresistible to the immigrants who were looking at that from just across the river,
and they would just swarm in and get themselves to that processing station.
Texas just said, you know, we're getting rid of the processing station.
We're just causing us too much trouble. And they kicked out all the border
patrol guys and said, you can do this five miles downstream if you want,
but you're not going to do it here. Now. The Fed's got
permission to go in there and cut all the wire and shut everything down for
the time being. And now we're waiting to see whether the Feds are going
to go in and start cutting wire and tearing it down, and Abbott saying,
go ahead and tear it all down. As soon as you leave,
we're putting it back up, and then you're going to have to come and
tear it back down again, and then we're going to put it back up.
So that's kind of where we are with this. It's a little bit
silly season on the border with all those well, and I want to connect
this to a report you wrote recently in the New York Post where you said,
actually a source has told you that the numbers are going down because of
what Biden and his administration might have worked out with Amlow, obviously the president
of Mexico earlier this year. Can you give us a little background on what's
happening there and how people can sort of reconcile the images of the porous border
at Eagle Pass or in other places at Texas, Arizona, California specifically,
with you know, potentially decreased numbers, although they're still pretty high. Yeah,
well, we have to zoom out and back from this fight that I'm
just talking about between the Feds and Abbot that you know, in just December
and November and October, just so the fall of twenty twenty three, the
immigrants were just absolutely swarming over the wire. They overwhelmed the Texans, they
got to the border patrol, and the border there were so many that came
in that the border patrol couldn't keep couldn't process them in fast enough in all
these places, and that created this big congregation on the riverbank that Fox News
drones could catch, and it attracted all the media because the numbers were fourteen
thousand a day, ten thousand a day, twelve thousand, numbers that the
intelligence community had predicted a year or so ago, but nobody really thought it
would happen. It did, huge numbers coming through, and the optics of
that were just terrible for the Biden campaign, which is in full swing now,
and I mean the political campaign. All of the polls, and I
mean universally across it doesn't matter who's doing the polls shows that this border crisis
is now a number one or two issues. It's an apex political issue in
the negative for the Biden campaign. So they had to put a stop to
those video images that were going out all over the place and generating bringing the
New York Times and man, even CNN went down there. I don't think
CNN's ever gone to the border before in these three years. They were there.
It was amazing to see them there. But anyway, and of course
when they were there, just as a quick aside, it was like,
wow, recently, there's been a lot of immigrants crossing just recently, you
know, some of them just like missing that this has been going on for
three years straight at record numbers. But the point is that in the middle
of this crazy Biden goes down to Mexico for a state visit to talk about
the migration situation, and he brings Anthony Blincoln. So this is like top
priority obviously for the White House. Now they cut a deal a week later.
Less than a week later, Majorcis goes down with Blincoln separately, and
they continue the talks. Whatever the horse trading was, we don't know,
because nobody will say. But what we do know is that Mexico suddenly went
medieval on all this immigration on their side of the line. They started bulldozing
migrant camps, digging anti pedestrian trenches, rounding up thousands and thousands of immigrants
and putting on buses and planes and flying them down to the southern provinces with
Guatemala and then blocking them in down there, creating a big gaza strip type
thing, and lo and behold, all of this activity dropped the numbers that
were crossing from fourteen thousand a day to five thousand a day in four thousand
and six thousand. That's what we're seeing now. So the infrastructure can handle
moving them off of the border and into the country pretty quickly, so that
there's no more Fox News video of this terrible stuff. And the media went
home, And I think that was the purpose of the diplomacy, to make
the media go home and start talking about something else other than showing these images.
And how long Mexico is going to do this is unknown. How long
they can do this is unknown, but it shows that when they want to
you know, when they get together, they can shut down sixty percent of
this by just having Mexico, you know, do some kind of trumpe and
stuff like they were doing when Trump was in office. So the numbers are
down right now, it's January. We're getting toward the end of January,
and you're going to see in a month or so really low numbers illegally crossing
for January, and then the Biden administration will take victory laps. So I
don't believe it. They're still all down there and on a moment's notice they
can flood back. That's what I was just going to ask that it sounds
like, and especially if we're looking at Ego Pass right now. That's one
of the interesting things that even if numbers are decreasing sort of even around the
Mexico border, Mexico's border with other countries, there are still so many people
on this as you've called it before, super highway coming up stopped another country
is still in Mexico at the border in these Mexican border towns, that the
humanitarian crisis, even if the numbers incoming, and whether or not Mexico can
sustain that different question. But even so, there's still this mass of humanity
already huddled at the border. It sounds like yes, well down in Tappachula,
Mexico, which is the Mexicans are hauling them all down to and they're
putting roadblocks everywhere. They Also, the most important thing they did, I
forgot to mention, is they shut down the Labisia, the freight train system,
put troops in there to block immigrants from boarding these trains, these cargo
trains. That was huge that they did that. But they are all still
down there, and the Mexicans are requiring that they apply for this or that
permit, which takes five or six months. And you know, I mean
there will be unrest there always is when the Mexicans try to do this,
and eventually the pressure will build to the point where they have to let them
go. The big question is just what did Mexico get. Did they get
the sick or did they get a check. If they got a check,
then once to check cash, is they suddenly get less interested in doing the
bidding of the Biden administration on this. If it's the sick or the threat
of the sick, that's a whole other story. That's how Trump did things,
and it was always very effective because that sick could come down at any
time, right on their heads. It's usually the form of a progressive trade
tariffs. So we just don't know. Nobody's talking. And those diplomatic missions
are continuing. I mean, just last week the Mexicans have their highest level
diplomats in Washington meeting with all of our highest level people. So this is
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And on top of all of that, there was the shutdown of apparently bipartisan
immigration conversations that were happening among really centrist Republicans and Democrats, and Mitch McConnell's
side clearly started leaking to the press that this was because Donald Trump didn't want
to give Joe Biden a win during an election year. That was the contention.
In fact, it looks like the real argument from Trump and Freedom Caucus
types was that this is just a It was a really bad bill. For
example, the Washington Free Beacon Joe Simonson reported on some of what was going
to be in the bill just yesterday, and it sounded like they were it
was deportations were only resume. For example, Joe reported if the border saw
more than five thousand illegal crossings per day, and they said, on the
condition of anonymity of these people told Joe that they were also objecting to the
issuance of an additional fifty thousand immigrant visas annually. Todd, what did you
make of that bill which we were told was so close, so close,
just crumbling this week? Well, for one thing, I was watching all
of this too, and I was looking for signs of the enforcement side part
of the deal, and I never could see any I saw that. You
know, they would let five thousand a day in, but then and then
anybody passed five thousand would be put in removal proceedings. But the way the
Biden administration does removal proceedings is they just put people in the proceedings and then
release them and never remove them. So it's it's a trick. It's like
a it's a it's a feint. There is no enforcement and if you're not
doing detention into deportation, actual physical deportations, then you've got nothing. You
just have thin air, you have nothing at all. So I never thought
that they had anything at all that they when they talk about we're going to
deport people, they don't really mean that. They mean we're going to put
them in a in a paper process, but they're still going to be running
around. We have millions and millions of foreign nationals that have been running around
the country, living and working here with removal orders on them. It doesn't
mean anything unless you carry them out. And so you know, the deal
was always meaningless. You know, they were talking a lot about, you
know, five thousand a day, we're going to let ind but what they
should have been, the Republicans should have been talking about, was, you
know, fifteen thousand a day being physically removed who are under lawful orders.
And you never heard a word about how many a day were going to be
removed, And so it was just useless. The whole thing I thought from
the beginning, and I think what put the nail in the coffin was that
Trump just got involved and said, yeah, this is terrible, don't do
it. And once he got involved. It was over Yeah, that makes
sense. That's helpful because it was I think the DC Beltway media was running
with a narrative that was conflating different reasons that people opposed this bill. And
one thing that I thought of, Todd, this is literally your whole book
overrun. Donald Trump doesn't need this bill to get shut down. Do have
plenty to run on when it comes to the border under Joe Biden. The
amount of fentanyl deaths, the amount of people from the terrace watch lists who
have been caught the known god ways, which could include plenty of people from
the terrorist watch list, and just the sheer number of people who have even
been granted parole under Joe Biden. Again, this is your whole book.
I mean, it's stunning. There's no lack of crazy Biden administration policies,
dangerous Biden administistrated policies for Republicans to run on in twenty twenty four exactly.
I mean, the campaign video is already there for the advertisements, you know,
for the whole year that got plenty, and but you know, I
still think that the Biden administration the campaign. Rather, let's let's separate the
administration from the campaign. A little bit. The campaign understands that current video
is also still just it's exacerbating. So I think they just really care in
terms of an outcome. As the main outcome that there are no big clumps
of foreign nationals on the riverbank to video. That's it. And the Republicans
were about to help them out with that by giving money for more border patrol
agents and more personnel to go down there, because they think that that means
that they're going to block and stop and deter and deport. But those extra
personnel, we're going to go down there and help move them out of the
zone faster and into the country faster. That's all that does, and that's
what the administration is all about, just getting rid of those clumps, those
conglomerations of humanity down there. So listen, without deportation, without detention,
you have an administration that is allowing in ninety plus percent of everybody who shows
up at that order. That's just unprecedented. No country that has ever existed
does that. Nobody does that on purpose. Yeah, there are times when
they get around you, but it's against your will and against your best efforts
that they got around you. In this case, we let in almost everybody
who reaches the border, and the whole world knows it, and that's why
they're coming. This is just like an unprecedented thing. And it's just you
know, belt fed fifty caliber machine gun bullets in the campaign, machine gun
for Donald Trump, all of that stuff. In the meantime, I was
glued to my screen reading some of your recent reporting from Europe, particularly from
Eastern Europe. There are there's some extent similarities in the process that are playing
out there and that are playing out in ways that we can definitely learn from.
And you wrote, let's start with the piece that you read about Poland
for the National interest, Todd, I had no idea what the situation was
like in terms of migration in Poland. Can you walk us through a little
bit of what you saw there and came away with, Yeah, Poland is
pretty well known now among my types that do this for a living, Polican
people for having this one hundred plus mile long fence with Belarus against Belarus,
they put this thing up and they blocked a lot of the mass migration that
was attempting to come through there. Two years ago, Russia and Belarus purposefully
sent thousands of Afghan migrants across the Polish border to create a big wave that
would disrupt and cause political chaos and everything. And the Polish government, which
is a right wing kind of conservative government, fought back and they blocked most
of it with I mean water cannon and tear gas and billy clubs. I
mean, it was nasty two years ago, and they shut it down and
built this wall fence and militarized the whole zone for one hundred and twenty miles
and they have had very very little action on that border since. The piece
that I wrote about Poland there points out that Poland in October just elected a
liberal government that is immigrant friendly and fence hostile. And at the very same
time Belarus in Russia, who are mad at Poland and the EU for supporting
Ukraine right now and would love nothing more than to weaponize migrants again and send
them to the EU through Poland right over their fence, through it, under
it, cut it whatever, have opened new air routes from the pool of
migrants down in Turkey to Mince, which is the capital there about forty miles
from the Polish border in Belarus, and they're flying them in there now.
We haven't heard yet whether the new Prime Minister is going to do the one
thing that will trigger it all off, which is to eliminate Poland's pushback policies,
which is the thing that has kept the Polish Belarus border calm for the
last two years. When an immigrant cuts the fence or climbs over it and
gets caught, the Polish throw them back over pretty quickly or flying home or
move them out. That's very, very important. That dynamic is the very
dynamic that we see at the southern border where we let everybody in to pursue
their asylum claims, and so everybody comes. If you let them in,
they come, but if you push them back, they stop coming. So
Tusk, Donald Tusk is talking all during his campaign that he's going to end
those pushback policies in Poland. But Belarusan's clearly heard this because they reopen this
air route. And now it just remains to be seen whether Tusk is going
to actually start letting them say. And when he does let them say,
or if he does let them say, you can forget that fence, they're
going to be pouring over that fence, under it, tunneling, cutting through
it, everything else, and you'll see a new route open through Poland into
the EU. They're all headed to Germany. None of them really want to
stay in Poland. They want to go on into Germany, which is wealthy
and gives them all kinds of free stuff. So that that's the situation in
Poland. It's a sapshot in time at the moment of political transition from a
conservative government to another liberal government in the EU. So with with with some
really hostile neighbors that have already in the past weaponized NAS migration. I'm going
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like you wrote this other piece called The Road from Damascus in the American Mind,
which I was absolutely glued to my screen reading, So good Tod and
also the first person in it where you are intervening and what you're seeing is
human trafficking, trying to tape it and just getting you know, resistance to
say it lightly. I bring that piece up right now just to you maybe
help some listeners who haven't read these pieces yet just have the context of who
are these migrants, where are they coming from? Why are they crossing through
Belarus and Poland, why are they crossing through places in Eastern Europe? What
does that sort of broad pattern look like right now? Well, the context
for these pieces is the twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen migrant crisis in Europe,
which saw about three million mostly Middle Easterners, Afghans but mostly Syrians and a
Rockies or in Germany and France. Everybody remembers this. It was international news
for months on end, and a great many of them were Syrians, and
the Syrians and Afghans and a bunch of others just went on a bloody rampage
of terrorism in Europe from one end to the continent to the other. I
studied, I wrote a major research paper on the numbermber of attacks that occurred
that were carried out by border crossing infiltrators from Syria and from all these other
countries. And the Europeans reacted against that and put measures in place to shut
down the flower, to slow it and lower the numbers. And I won't
go into a lot of those here, but a lot of it had to
do with fencing that was put up by Hungary and Slovenia and Austria, and
also in Macedonia and a few other places along that Balkan route. They call
that the Balkan route, which is where all the terrorists came through from Turkey
and Syria. So that shutdown some of the terrorism. But the piece that
you're referring to now points out that the Balkans route is now open again from
different factors and different circumstances. It's wide open, and the numbers that are
pouring through are now exceeding what we saw in twenty sixteen. So there is
a mass migration crisis, a new one underway in Europe. And that piece
that you're referring to is about how Syrians once again are the top nationality and
that they are young, unmarried men by and large that are pouring through the
Balkan route into Western Europe once again. And my piece just points this out.
It establishes that the Syrians are back, and to remind readers, the
Europeans and Americans and anybody who cares about what happened in terrorism the last time
Syrian men were able to make their way through the Balkans and into Western Europe,
it was ugly. Hundreds and thousands of Europeans murdered and injured by these
border infiltrations. A lot of them are Afghans, a lot of them are
Tunisians, most of them are you know, Muslim men crossing through and making
their way into Germany, France and the Netherlands, and some of them are
gone to England. And I'm just predicting that there's going to be terrorism trouble.
For that piece, I interviewed a former intelligence officer in Macedonia in Scopia
who worked in collaborative settings in Brussels during the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen terror attacks
and after during that mass migration crisis, and he told me that this very
admirable collaborative intelligence sharing and law enforcement infrastructure that was built during that time is
now collapsing and falling apart, and under liberal governments that keep coming in and
then out and then in and then out different European Union countries, and that
Europe is not prepared anymore, and nobody even remembers what happened. So I'm
hoping that that piece that you read there serves as a reminder to everybody in
the US and in Europe that you know, immigrants from those places can be
very dangerous and are a national security threat, and there's past evidence of it
and a long, terrible bloody track record of it, and time maybe just
to tie this all together. One of the reasons I was so intrigued by
your dispatch from Poland from Eastern Europe in general is that it reminded me a
lot of what you've written actually in Central America, South America Darien Gap up
into Mexico about these very specific routes, and it also reminded me that Davos
was happening, and it reminded me as well that you had just reported in
New York Post about United Nations. You know, basically United Nations contributions to
making some of these super highways, these paths from different places in the world
possible. They sort of, what's the best way to put it, they
make those paths possible by offering aid. And you can explain this better than
I can. But that's distributed by these other NGOs, that's supported by US
taxpayers, and if we zoom out to the global level, Todd, it
does seem like, you know, when we are talking just about Mexico,
Central America, this is this is sort of a broader goal. This is
kind of a part of a bigger open border conversation or agenda really and that
sounds conspiratorial and ridiculous, but the proof is right there. It's happening in
real time, is it not. It is a piece you're referring to is
about how the United Nations plans to spend one point six billion dollars aiding and
abetting the mass illegal immigration to our border through Latin America. They publish a
budget for this and what they're going to use the money for in Latin America.
It's online, you can find it. I linked to it. It's
hiding in plain sight. This budget document about what the UN is up to.
They lay it out in one hundred and thirty pages of texts and charts
that even I can understand, anybody can understand this. There's a new interactive
tool where you can they do because I was looking at some of the Christian
groups that and this when you link to it in twenty twenty one as well,
just this vast network of NGO, some of which you would think should
know better. Two hundred and forty eight NGOs are going to help them pass
this cash around and this aid and ultimately, like what it looks like from
the thirty thousand foot level is that you know, no immigrant heading to the
US border is going to ever go without They don't have to worry about food,
shelter, clothing, transportation money. They will never go without support for
basic all their basic needs from their home countries all the way to our border.
And that's kind of the big takeaway here is that the United Nations is
leading this effort. One point six billion for just twenty twenty four. It
was hundreds of millions of dollars last year, hundreds of millions of dollars the
year before. I mean all together, it's just billions of dollars that are
going to aid and assist the transportation shelter of hundreds of thousands and millions of
immigrants on their way to our border. And there are some people that take
great exception to that idea that US taxpayer funded UN agencies like the ILM and
UNHCR and thirteen other ones that are substantially funded by the US Treasury are sending
millions of people over our border and creating a crisis for the United States on
ideological grounds. But the facts and figures are there. I wrote about this.
I wanted to draw attention to this document. I'll probably have more coming
on this in a week or so, or less than a week. Two
hundred and forty eight NGOs are working down there at waste stations handing out and
twenty twenty four they'll hand out three hundred and seventy million dollars worth of cash,
debit cards, and multi purpose cash and envelopes. Sometimes they don't give
debit cards, that just give cash and put it in an envelope. And
hand it out. This is according to their documents, they will spend you
know, tens of millions of dollars in what they call humanitarian transportation. That's
that's suggling, right. I mean they're paying for bus rides and taxi cabs
and minibuses and whatnot across borders. And in the document you can read where
they are witting about out the illegality of this travel and they don't care that
they know it's illegal, and they don't care. They say it, they
say it over and over again. You know, we understand that everybody are
that they're irregular, their situations are irregular, and that they will be crossing
borders without authorization and without documents, but we're going to give them all the
stuff they need to do it anyway. That's that's kind of the gist of
what the UN is doing in our southern hemisphere. They're also involved in the
very same activity all over the Balkans, where I just came from. I
toured their camps, I interviewed their people. They don't care about ideology of
the people, even radical ideologies. They don't ask, they don't tell anything
about these the people coming through. They just support them. And they are
very well aware that most, if not all of the immigrants that they're serving
in Europe at these waste stations are about to cross somebody's country illegally and keep
going. And they just feel like that's just their human right. It just
occurred to me, Todd. Did you not you reported on this was when?
Before you correct me if I'm wrong. I think we talked about this
once once, Todd. You were reporting from Bosnia back in the nineties,
weren't you. So you're back here now just under a complete la or back
there now, just in a completely different context in Eastern Europe, but still
so much instability. Yeah, you know, and I think that, Yeah,
it's true. I mean, in my young Salad days when I was
a journalist, I did cover the wars in Bosia when it was, you
know, during the Siege of Sarajevo. And this is my first time back
in thirty years. I'm totally aging myself here, but I was pretty young
back then. I'll just say that. But you know, those countries are
pretty vulnerable to this kind of mass migration because their institutions and their police forces
and their militaries and their political will. You know, they just don't have
the political will to stop any of this. They prefer that to not do
anything or spend any money as long as they're moving through to the next country.
And in this case, they're pouring into Slovenia, which had a fence,
an effective border fence that had stopped a lot of this in the past.
But now they have a liberal, a new liberal government that's guess what
humanitarian minded when it comes to immigrants, and so they're just pouring into Slovenia
and claiming asylum and being released. Well, when you catch and release people,
they tend to send word downstream that hey, it's open over here,
and everybody goes, and it's the thing that creates a greater momentum and crowds
and volume. That's what's what happened with Slovenia. I toured the Slovenia fence
on my own, just kind of wandering around it, and it's just,
you know, sections of it are torn down and there's nobody guarding it.
You can go back and forth between Croatia and Slovenia that will driving walking whatever.
Nobody cares. It's just sort of an in the way structure now,
and that's where everybody's heading. All the immigrants I met in Bosnia were on
their way to Slovenia through Croatia. So that's what happens when you have liberal
governments Poland. We're going to see what happens there, Uh, Slovenia,
et cetera. And they catch and release. Catching release is that is the
the green light, it's the poll it's the trigger pull for mass migration here
in the US and in Mexico. And they're in Mexico. The dynamic is
exactly the same. I interviewed one Algerian. He spoke great English. That's
why I really zeroed in on that poor guy. If you find an Algerian
who speaks an Englishman, you better take advantage of that. And I asked
him, well, why are you going? You know, he'd been stuck
in Greece for six or seven years. I said why are you going now?
And he said, well, two reasons. One is this new way
opened, and number two is they aren't deporting anybody in Europe. It's ninety
percent of the issue. If they were deporting us, I wouldn't go.
But they don't deport anybody. So if I keep my nose clean, I
can live there forever, they'll never deport me. And then he took off.
Well that sounds familiar. Yeah, that's the same dynamic here. We
don't deport anybody. We had this negotiation in the Senate and nobody was talking
about how many were going to physically deport, and so it's meaningless without deportation.
Todd Bensman, you are a busy man. I cannot tell you how
much we appreciate you making time for the show today. Thanks so much for
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