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We're back with another edition of the
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky,

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culture editor here at the Federalist.
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our website as well. We are
back joined once again by one of my

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very favorite reporters in the business.
That would be Todd Bensman. He's obviously

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a senior National Security fellow over at
the Center for Immigration Studies and an author

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of the extremely timely book is called
Overrun. It's about the Biden Border,

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and he's also the author of America's
cover Border War. Todd, thank you

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so much for joining the show.
Thank you for having me. I appreciate

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it. So you have written a
lot recently on Europe. In fact,

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you just were telling me you spent
a month in Europe reporting on some of

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the migration challenges there. You have
a piece of the American mind, the

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national interest. We'll get to that
before we do, because immigration has been

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probably the hottest story in the media
this week. Somehow, during a presidential

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election cycle, Todd the battleover especially
Eagle Pass, the Razor Wire operation.

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Loan Star went to the Supreme Court. There's some complicated legal questions about what

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the Supreme Court decision actually meant.
Can you just give us Todd your reaction

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to everything that's transpired this week,
because you've been reporting on this area for

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years and years and years. Yeah, Texas, Texas has engaged the federal

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government and a kind of a classic
states rights versus federalism battle. It's a

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contest we haven't seen, we haven't
seen the likes of one of these and

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any many decades to this degree where
Texas is taking into its own hands a

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federal job border security and illegal immigration
and trying to stop blocking de Turret because

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Texas is ground zero of this greatest
mass migration crisis in US history. I

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mean, more crossover into Texas than
any other state by far. It's the

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beginning and the end of the whole
thing. And Texas is red. Is

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a blood red Republican state too.
So the governor feels like he has to

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do something, and the things that
he chosen to do are in direct opposition

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to all of the things that the
Biden White House wants to do, which

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is to assist the entries of as
many foreign nationals as possibly can get in

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in the shortest amount of time.
It's been going on for three years that

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way, and so it puts these
two entities at loggerheads, obviously, And

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that's on the ground. I mean, they have come close to fisticuffs down

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there. Border Patrol agents and Texas
CPS and National Guard. They've been in

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terrible nose to those arguments over who
gets this group of immigrants and whether or

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not the razor wire that Texas laid
down is in the way of the Feds,

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and that sort of thing that's been
going on for many months heating up,

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but also in the course all the
way bouncing off the Supreme Court many

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times there's more rulings coming from the
Supreme Court. Is this is, you

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know, does Texas have the right
to stop, block and deter on its

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own and to pick out federal agents
and block federal agents from the border,

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which is kind of what they're doing
now. They see a forty five acre

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park in Egle Pass called Shelby Park
because that's ground zero of that sector.

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Thousands of immigrants trying to cross from
Piedris Negris into Eagle pass and Texas has

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fortified that area. It looks like
something out of World War One battlefields,

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you know. I mean it's you
know, trenches and barbed wire everywhere and

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fencing and you know, it's really
otherworldly in that area. But the border

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patrol agents represent to the immigrants a
symbol of we're getting in and being allowed

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in. So if they can find
their way past the Texans to the green

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uniforms, they get let in forever
into the country. And so they were

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literally the immigrants are are using this
to their this contest to their own benefit.

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They're finding their way to the border
patrol. Border patrol is finding their

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way to them. It's like this
big love fest between immigrants and green uniform

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guys, with Texas sort of kind
of you know, blocking the Romeo Juliet

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Union there. And so they kicked
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They had a border patrol had a
processing station right there, and it was

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just irresistible to the immigrants who were
looking at that from just across the river,

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and they would just swarm in and
get themselves to that processing station.

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Texas just said, you know,
we're getting rid of the processing station.

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We're just causing us too much trouble. And they kicked out all the border

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patrol guys and said, you can
do this five miles downstream if you want,

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but you're not going to do it
here. Now. The Fed's got

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permission to go in there and cut
all the wire and shut everything down for

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the time being. And now we're
waiting to see whether the Feds are going

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to go in and start cutting wire
and tearing it down, and Abbott saying,

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go ahead and tear it all down. As soon as you leave,

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we're putting it back up, and
then you're going to have to come and

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tear it back down again, and
then we're going to put it back up.

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So that's kind of where we are
with this. It's a little bit

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silly season on the border with all
those well, and I want to connect

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this to a report you wrote recently
in the New York Post where you said,

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actually a source has told you that
the numbers are going down because of

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what Biden and his administration might have
worked out with Amlow, obviously the president

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of Mexico earlier this year. Can
you give us a little background on what's

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happening there and how people can sort
of reconcile the images of the porous border

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at Eagle Pass or in other places
at Texas, Arizona, California specifically,

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with you know, potentially decreased numbers, although they're still pretty high. Yeah,

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well, we have to zoom out
and back from this fight that I'm

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just talking about between the Feds and
Abbot that you know, in just December

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and November and October, just so
the fall of twenty twenty three, the

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immigrants were just absolutely swarming over the
wire. They overwhelmed the Texans, they

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got to the border patrol, and
the border there were so many that came

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in that the border patrol couldn't keep
couldn't process them in fast enough in all

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these places, and that created this
big congregation on the riverbank that Fox News

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drones could catch, and it attracted
all the media because the numbers were fourteen

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thousand a day, ten thousand a
day, twelve thousand, numbers that the

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intelligence community had predicted a year or
so ago, but nobody really thought it

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would happen. It did, huge
numbers coming through, and the optics of

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that were just terrible for the Biden
campaign, which is in full swing now,

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and I mean the political campaign.
All of the polls, and I

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mean universally across it doesn't matter who's
doing the polls shows that this border crisis

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is now a number one or two
issues. It's an apex political issue in

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the negative for the Biden campaign.
So they had to put a stop to

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those video images that were going out
all over the place and generating bringing the

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New York Times and man, even
CNN went down there. I don't think

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CNN's ever gone to the border before
in these three years. They were there.

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It was amazing to see them there. But anyway, and of course

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when they were there, just as
a quick aside, it was like,

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wow, recently, there's been a
lot of immigrants crossing just recently, you

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know, some of them just like
missing that this has been going on for

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three years straight at record numbers.
But the point is that in the middle

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of this crazy Biden goes down to
Mexico for a state visit to talk about

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the migration situation, and he brings
Anthony Blincoln. So this is like top

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priority obviously for the White House.
Now they cut a deal a week later.

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Less than a week later, Majorcis
goes down with Blincoln separately, and

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they continue the talks. Whatever the
horse trading was, we don't know,

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because nobody will say. But what
we do know is that Mexico suddenly went

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medieval on all this immigration on their
side of the line. They started bulldozing

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migrant camps, digging anti pedestrian trenches, rounding up thousands and thousands of immigrants

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and putting on buses and planes and
flying them down to the southern provinces with

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Guatemala and then blocking them in down
there, creating a big gaza strip type

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thing, and lo and behold,
all of this activity dropped the numbers that

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were crossing from fourteen thousand a day
to five thousand a day in four thousand

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and six thousand. That's what we're
seeing now. So the infrastructure can handle

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moving them off of the border and
into the country pretty quickly, so that

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there's no more Fox News video of
this terrible stuff. And the media went

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home, And I think that was
the purpose of the diplomacy, to make

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the media go home and start talking
about something else other than showing these images.

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And how long Mexico is going to
do this is unknown. How long

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they can do this is unknown,
but it shows that when they want to

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you know, when they get together, they can shut down sixty percent of

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this by just having Mexico, you
know, do some kind of trumpe and

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stuff like they were doing when Trump
was in office. So the numbers are

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down right now, it's January.
We're getting toward the end of January,

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and you're going to see in a
month or so really low numbers illegally crossing

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for January, and then the Biden
administration will take victory laps. So I

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don't believe it. They're still all
down there and on a moment's notice they

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can flood back. That's what I
was just going to ask that it sounds

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like, and especially if we're looking
at Ego Pass right now. That's one

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of the interesting things that even if
numbers are decreasing sort of even around the

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Mexico border, Mexico's border with other
countries, there are still so many people

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on this as you've called it before, super highway coming up stopped another country

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is still in Mexico at the border
in these Mexican border towns, that the

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humanitarian crisis, even if the numbers
incoming, and whether or not Mexico can

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sustain that different question. But even
so, there's still this mass of humanity

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already huddled at the border. It
sounds like yes, well down in Tappachula,

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Mexico, which is the Mexicans are
hauling them all down to and they're

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putting roadblocks everywhere. They Also,
the most important thing they did, I

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forgot to mention, is they shut
down the Labisia, the freight train system,

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put troops in there to block immigrants
from boarding these trains, these cargo

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trains. That was huge that they
did that. But they are all still

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down there, and the Mexicans are
requiring that they apply for this or that

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permit, which takes five or six
months. And you know, I mean

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there will be unrest there always is
when the Mexicans try to do this,

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and eventually the pressure will build to
the point where they have to let them

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go. The big question is just
what did Mexico get. Did they get

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the sick or did they get a
check. If they got a check,

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then once to check cash, is
they suddenly get less interested in doing the

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bidding of the Biden administration on this. If it's the sick or the threat

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of the sick, that's a whole
other story. That's how Trump did things,

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and it was always very effective because
that sick could come down at any

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time, right on their heads.
It's usually the form of a progressive trade

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tariffs. So we just don't know. Nobody's talking. And those diplomatic missions

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are continuing. I mean, just
last week the Mexicans have their highest level

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diplomats in Washington meeting with all of
our highest level people. So this is

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And on top of all of that, there was the shutdown of apparently bipartisan

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immigration conversations that were happening among really
centrist Republicans and Democrats, and Mitch McConnell's

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side clearly started leaking to the press
that this was because Donald Trump didn't want

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to give Joe Biden a win during
an election year. That was the contention.

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In fact, it looks like the
real argument from Trump and Freedom Caucus

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types was that this is just a
It was a really bad bill. For

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example, the Washington Free Beacon Joe
Simonson reported on some of what was going

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to be in the bill just yesterday, and it sounded like they were it

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was deportations were only resume. For
example, Joe reported if the border saw

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more than five thousand illegal crossings per
day, and they said, on the

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condition of anonymity of these people told
Joe that they were also objecting to the

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issuance of an additional fifty thousand immigrant
visas annually. Todd, what did you

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make of that bill which we were
told was so close, so close,

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just crumbling this week? Well,
for one thing, I was watching all

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of this too, and I was
looking for signs of the enforcement side part

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of the deal, and I never
could see any I saw that. You

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know, they would let five thousand
a day in, but then and then

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anybody passed five thousand would be put
in removal proceedings. But the way the

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Biden administration does removal proceedings is they
just put people in the proceedings and then

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release them and never remove them.
So it's it's a trick. It's like

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a it's a it's a feint.
There is no enforcement and if you're not

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doing detention into deportation, actual physical
deportations, then you've got nothing. You

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just have thin air, you have
nothing at all. So I never thought

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that they had anything at all that
they when they talk about we're going to

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deport people, they don't really mean
that. They mean we're going to put

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them in a in a paper process, but they're still going to be running

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around. We have millions and millions
of foreign nationals that have been running around

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the country, living and working here
with removal orders on them. It doesn't

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mean anything unless you carry them out. And so you know, the deal

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was always meaningless. You know,
they were talking a lot about, you

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know, five thousand a day,
we're going to let ind but what they

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should have been, the Republicans should
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know, fifteen thousand a day being
physically removed who are under lawful orders.

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And you never heard a word about
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removed, And so it was just
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the beginning, and I think what
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Trump just got involved and said,
yeah, this is terrible, don't do

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it. And once he got involved. It was over Yeah, that makes

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sense. That's helpful because it was
I think the DC Beltway media was running

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with a narrative that was conflating different
reasons that people opposed this bill. And

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one thing that I thought of,
Todd, this is literally your whole book

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overrun. Donald Trump doesn't need this
bill to get shut down. Do have

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plenty to run on when it comes
to the border under Joe Biden. The

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amount of fentanyl deaths, the amount
of people from the terrace watch lists who

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have been caught the known god ways, which could include plenty of people from

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the terrorist watch list, and just
the sheer number of people who have even

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been granted parole under Joe Biden.
Again, this is your whole book.

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I mean, it's stunning. There's
no lack of crazy Biden administration policies,

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dangerous Biden administistrated policies for Republicans to
run on in twenty twenty four exactly.

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I mean, the campaign video is
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for the whole year that got plenty, and but you know, I

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still think that the Biden administration the
campaign. Rather, let's let's separate the

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administration from the campaign. A little
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is also still just it's exacerbating.
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terms of an outcome. As the
main outcome that there are no big clumps

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of foreign nationals on the riverbank to
video. That's it. And the Republicans

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were about to help them out with
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agents and more personnel to go down
there, because they think that that means

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that they're going to block and stop
and deter and deport. But those extra

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personnel, we're going to go down
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zone faster and into the country faster. That's all that does, and that's

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what the administration is all about,
just getting rid of those clumps, those

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conglomerations of humanity down there. So
listen, without deportation, without detention,

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you have an administration that is allowing
in ninety plus percent of everybody who shows

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up at that order. That's just
unprecedented. No country that has ever existed

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does that. Nobody does that on
purpose. Yeah, there are times when

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they get around you, but it's
against your will and against your best efforts

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that they got around you. In
this case, we let in almost everybody

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who reaches the border, and the
whole world knows it, and that's why

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they're coming. This is just like
an unprecedented thing. And it's just you

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know, belt fed fifty caliber machine
gun bullets in the campaign, machine gun

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for Donald Trump, all of that
stuff. In the meantime, I was

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glued to my screen reading some of
your recent reporting from Europe, particularly from

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Eastern Europe. There are there's some
extent similarities in the process that are playing

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out there and that are playing out
in ways that we can definitely learn from.

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And you wrote, let's start with
the piece that you read about Poland

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for the National interest, Todd,
I had no idea what the situation was

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like in terms of migration in Poland. Can you walk us through a little

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bit of what you saw there and
came away with, Yeah, Poland is

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pretty well known now among my types
that do this for a living, Polican

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people for having this one hundred plus
mile long fence with Belarus against Belarus,

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they put this thing up and they
blocked a lot of the mass migration that

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was attempting to come through there.
Two years ago, Russia and Belarus purposefully

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sent thousands of Afghan migrants across the
Polish border to create a big wave that

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would disrupt and cause political chaos and
everything. And the Polish government, which

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is a right wing kind of conservative
government, fought back and they blocked most

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of it with I mean water cannon
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mean, it was nasty two years
ago, and they shut it down and

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built this wall fence and militarized the
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and they have had very very little
action on that border since. The piece

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that I wrote about Poland there points
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liberal government that is immigrant friendly and
fence hostile. And at the very same

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time Belarus in Russia, who are
mad at Poland and the EU for supporting

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Ukraine right now and would love nothing
more than to weaponize migrants again and send

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them to the EU through Poland right
over their fence, through it, under

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it, cut it whatever, have
opened new air routes from the pool of

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migrants down in Turkey to Mince,
which is the capital there about forty miles

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from the Polish border in Belarus,
and they're flying them in there now.

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We haven't heard yet whether the new
Prime Minister is going to do the one

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thing that will trigger it all off, which is to eliminate Poland's pushback policies,

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which is the thing that has kept
the Polish Belarus border calm for the

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last two years. When an immigrant
cuts the fence or climbs over it and

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gets caught, the Polish throw them
back over pretty quickly or flying home or

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move them out. That's very,
very important. That dynamic is the very

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dynamic that we see at the southern
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their asylum claims, and so everybody
comes. If you let them in,

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they come, but if you push
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Tusk, Donald Tusk is talking all
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those pushback policies in Poland. But
Belarusan's clearly heard this because they reopen this

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air route. And now it just
remains to be seen whether Tusk is going

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to actually start letting them say.
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or if he does let them say, you can forget that fence, they're

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going to be pouring over that fence, under it, tunneling, cutting through

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it, everything else, and you'll
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the EU. They're all headed to
Germany. None of them really want to

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stay in Poland. They want to
go on into Germany, which is wealthy

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and gives them all kinds of free
stuff. So that that's the situation in

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Poland. It's a sapshot in time
at the moment of political transition from a

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conservative government to another liberal government in
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really hostile neighbors that have already in
the past weaponized NAS migration. I'm going

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to I'm going to guess that they're
going to make an attempt and uh and

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if if Tusk lets an in instead
of pushing them back, then it's going

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to open up a hole, a
huge hole there. The watched Out on

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like you wrote this other piece called
The Road from Damascus in the American Mind,

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which I was absolutely glued to my
screen reading, So good Tod and

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also the first person in it where
you are intervening and what you're seeing is

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human trafficking, trying to tape it
and just getting you know, resistance to

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say it lightly. I bring that
piece up right now just to you maybe

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help some listeners who haven't read these
pieces yet just have the context of who

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are these migrants, where are they
coming from? Why are they crossing through

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Belarus and Poland, why are they
crossing through places in Eastern Europe? What

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does that sort of broad pattern look
like right now? Well, the context

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for these pieces is the twenty fifteen
to twenty sixteen migrant crisis in Europe,

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which saw about three million mostly Middle
Easterners, Afghans but mostly Syrians and a

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Rockies or in Germany and France.
Everybody remembers this. It was international news

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for months on end, and a
great many of them were Syrians, and

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the Syrians and Afghans and a bunch
of others just went on a bloody rampage

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of terrorism in Europe from one end
to the continent to the other. I

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studied, I wrote a major research
paper on the numbermber of attacks that occurred

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that were carried out by border crossing
infiltrators from Syria and from all these other

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countries. And the Europeans reacted against
that and put measures in place to shut

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down the flower, to slow it
and lower the numbers. And I won't

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go into a lot of those here, but a lot of it had to

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do with fencing that was put up
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also in Macedonia and a few other
places along that Balkan route. They call

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that the Balkan route, which is
where all the terrorists came through from Turkey

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and Syria. So that shutdown some
of the terrorism. But the piece that

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you're referring to now points out that
the Balkans route is now open again from

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different factors and different circumstances. It's
wide open, and the numbers that are

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pouring through are now exceeding what we
saw in twenty sixteen. So there is

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a mass migration crisis, a new
one underway in Europe. And that piece

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that you're referring to is about how
Syrians once again are the top nationality and

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that they are young, unmarried men
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Balkan route into Western Europe once again. And my piece just points this out.

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It establishes that the Syrians are back, and to remind readers, the

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Europeans and Americans and anybody who cares
about what happened in terrorism the last time

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Syrian men were able to make their
way through the Balkans and into Western Europe,

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it was ugly. Hundreds and thousands
of Europeans murdered and injured by these

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border infiltrations. A lot of them
are Afghans, a lot of them are

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Tunisians, most of them are you
know, Muslim men crossing through and making

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their way into Germany, France and
the Netherlands, and some of them are

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gone to England. And I'm just
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For that piece, I interviewed a
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who worked in collaborative settings in Brussels
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and after during that mass migration crisis, and he told me that this very

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admirable collaborative intelligence sharing and law enforcement
infrastructure that was built during that time is

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now collapsing and falling apart, and
under liberal governments that keep coming in and

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then out and then in and then
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Europe is not prepared anymore, and
nobody even remembers what happened. So I'm

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hoping that that piece that you read
there serves as a reminder to everybody in

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the US and in Europe that you
know, immigrants from those places can be

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very dangerous and are a national security
threat, and there's past evidence of it

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and a long, terrible bloody track
record of it, and time maybe just

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to tie this all together. One
of the reasons I was so intrigued by

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your dispatch from Poland from Eastern Europe
in general is that it reminded me a

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lot of what you've written actually in
Central America, South America Darien Gap up

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into Mexico about these very specific routes, and it also reminded me that Davos

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was happening, and it reminded me
as well that you had just reported in

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New York Post about United Nations.
You know, basically United Nations contributions to

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making some of these super highways,
these paths from different places in the world

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possible. They sort of, what's
the best way to put it, they

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make those paths possible by offering aid. And you can explain this better than

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I can. But that's distributed by
these other NGOs, that's supported by US

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taxpayers, and if we zoom out
to the global level, Todd, it

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does seem like, you know,
when we are talking just about Mexico,

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Central America, this is this is
sort of a broader goal. This is

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kind of a part of a bigger
open border conversation or agenda really and that

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sounds conspiratorial and ridiculous, but the
proof is right there. It's happening in

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real time, is it not.
It is a piece you're referring to is

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about how the United Nations plans to
spend one point six billion dollars aiding and

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abetting the mass illegal immigration to our
border through Latin America. They publish a

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budget for this and what they're going
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It's online, you can find it. I linked to it. It's

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hiding in plain sight. This budget
document about what the UN is up to.

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They lay it out in one hundred
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that even I can understand, anybody
can understand this. There's a new interactive

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tool where you can they do because
I was looking at some of the Christian

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groups that and this when you link
to it in twenty twenty one as well,

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just this vast network of NGO,
some of which you would think should

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know better. Two hundred and forty
eight NGOs are going to help them pass

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this cash around and this aid and
ultimately, like what it looks like from

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the thirty thousand foot level is that
you know, no immigrant heading to the

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US border is going to ever go
without They don't have to worry about food,

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shelter, clothing, transportation money.
They will never go without support for

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basic all their basic needs from their
home countries all the way to our border.

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And that's kind of the big takeaway
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leading this effort. One point six
billion for just twenty twenty four. It

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was hundreds of millions of dollars last
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year before. I mean all together, it's just billions of dollars that are

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going to aid and assist the transportation
shelter of hundreds of thousands and millions of

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immigrants on their way to our border. And there are some people that take

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great exception to that idea that US
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UNHCR and thirteen other ones that are
substantially funded by the US Treasury are sending

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millions of people over our border and
creating a crisis for the United States on

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ideological grounds. But the facts and
figures are there. I wrote about this.

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I wanted to draw attention to this
document. I'll probably have more coming

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on this in a week or so, or less than a week. Two

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hundred and forty eight NGOs are working
down there at waste stations handing out and

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twenty twenty four they'll hand out three
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debit cards, and multi purpose cash
and envelopes. Sometimes they don't give

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debit cards, that just give cash
and put it in an envelope. And

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hand it out. This is according
to their documents, they will spend you

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know, tens of millions of dollars
in what they call humanitarian transportation. That's

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that's suggling, right. I mean
they're paying for bus rides and taxi cabs

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and minibuses and whatnot across borders.
And in the document you can read where

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they are witting about out the illegality
of this travel and they don't care that

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they know it's illegal, and they
don't care. They say it, they

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say it over and over again.
You know, we understand that everybody are

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that they're irregular, their situations are
irregular, and that they will be crossing

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borders without authorization and without documents,
but we're going to give them all the

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stuff they need to do it anyway. That's that's kind of the gist of

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what the UN is doing in our
southern hemisphere. They're also involved in the

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very same activity all over the Balkans, where I just came from. I

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toured their camps, I interviewed their
people. They don't care about ideology of

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the people, even radical ideologies.
They don't ask, they don't tell anything

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about these the people coming through.
They just support them. And they are

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very well aware that most, if
not all of the immigrants that they're serving

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in Europe at these waste stations are
about to cross somebody's country illegally and keep

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going. And they just feel like
that's just their human right. It just

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occurred to me, Todd. Did
you not you reported on this was when?

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Before you correct me if I'm wrong. I think we talked about this

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once once, Todd. You were
reporting from Bosnia back in the nineties,

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weren't you. So you're back here
now just under a complete la or back

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there now, just in a completely
different context in Eastern Europe, but still

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so much instability. Yeah, you
know, and I think that, Yeah,

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it's true. I mean, in
my young Salad days when I was

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a journalist, I did cover the
wars in Bosia when it was, you

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know, during the Siege of Sarajevo. And this is my first time back

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in thirty years. I'm totally aging
myself here, but I was pretty young

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back then. I'll just say that. But you know, those countries are

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pretty vulnerable to this kind of mass
migration because their institutions and their police forces

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and their militaries and their political will. You know, they just don't have

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the political will to stop any of
this. They prefer that to not do

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anything or spend any money as long
as they're moving through to the next country.

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And in this case, they're pouring
into Slovenia, which had a fence,

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an effective border fence that had stopped
a lot of this in the past.

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But now they have a liberal,
a new liberal government that's guess what

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humanitarian minded when it comes to immigrants, and so they're just pouring into Slovenia

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and claiming asylum and being released.
Well, when you catch and release people,

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they tend to send word downstream that
hey, it's open over here,

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and everybody goes, and it's the
thing that creates a greater momentum and crowds

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and volume. That's what's what happened
with Slovenia. I toured the Slovenia fence

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on my own, just kind of
wandering around it, and it's just,

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you know, sections of it are
torn down and there's nobody guarding it.

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You can go back and forth between
Croatia and Slovenia that will driving walking whatever.

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Nobody cares. It's just sort of
an in the way structure now,

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and that's where everybody's heading. All
the immigrants I met in Bosnia were on

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their way to Slovenia through Croatia.
So that's what happens when you have liberal

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governments Poland. We're going to see
what happens there, Uh, Slovenia,

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et cetera. And they catch and
release. Catching release is that is the

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the green light, it's the poll
it's the trigger pull for mass migration here

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in the US and in Mexico.
And they're in Mexico. The dynamic is

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exactly the same. I interviewed one
Algerian. He spoke great English. That's

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why I really zeroed in on that
poor guy. If you find an Algerian

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who speaks an Englishman, you better
take advantage of that. And I asked

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him, well, why are you
going? You know, he'd been stuck

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in Greece for six or seven years. I said why are you going now?

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And he said, well, two
reasons. One is this new way

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opened, and number two is they
aren't deporting anybody in Europe. It's ninety

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percent of the issue. If they
were deporting us, I wouldn't go.

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But they don't deport anybody. So
if I keep my nose clean, I

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can live there forever, they'll never
deport me. And then he took off.

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Well that sounds familiar. Yeah,
that's the same dynamic here. We

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don't deport anybody. We had this
negotiation in the Senate and nobody was talking

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about how many were going to physically
deport, and so it's meaningless without deportation.

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Todd Bensman, you are a busy
man. I cannot tell you how

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much we appreciate you making time for
the show today. Thanks so much for

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coming back on Federalist Radio Hour.
Thanks for having me to appreciate it.

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Oh, of course, now you
can follow all of Todd's work at Todd

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Benzman dot com. You can get
the books, you can get the newsletter,

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and just follow his work really closely
if you If you go to Todd

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Bensman dot com, the book again
is called Overrun. Todd's also the author

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of America's Covert Border War and a
senior National Security Fellow at the Center for

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Immigration Studies. I'm Emily Dashinsky,
culture editor here at The Federalist. We'll

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be back soon with Laurence. Until
then, The Lover's Freedom and Anxious for

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Defray heard the Fame Boy the Reason
and then it faded away,