WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.319 Hi, everyone, Have I got a story for the nonprofits today. This 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:08.839 comes from Hemetmeta, our friendly atheist, and it's about how Texas Atheists and 3 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:14.039 Fort Worth tried to put up ads for an event opposing Christian nationalism but were 4 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:17.800 rebuffed by the city government. Personally, I think it was the wrong thing 5 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:20.879 to do, but I'd like to get Scott's opinion on it. Let's what 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.920 do you say, Scott? Well, I think clearly this is a constitutional 7 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:29.199 violation, right, you know, they're they're letting they're letting other nonprofit organizations 8 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.359 as long as they you know, jumped through the hoops and they satisfy the 9 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:37.359 requirements they're allowed to advertise their um, their their events. And so this 10 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:43.320 particular group was singled out, presumably because it was an atheist group that although 11 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:47.560 Fort Worth is not being very forthcoming as far as you know, the specific 12 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:51.079 reasons, they were just saying that they didn't satisfy um, you know, 13 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:55.439 the requirements that they that they needed. But but the same group was they've 14 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.479 they've done it before, and so they know they know what they're doing. 15 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.200 They know, you know, the whatever the paperwork or whatever the steps need 16 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.640 to be done. They're familiar with that, and so it's clear, it's 17 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:08.439 clear. I mean, it's it's it's silly that we're even having to having 18 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.239 to discuss whether or not this is a free speech violation because it all it 19 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:17.319 obviously is. Um My question, of course is going to be, well, 20 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:19.120 why would they do that? I mean, why why would fort Worth 21 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:25.840 do something that so clearly and obviously will eventually be overturned or ruled against or 22 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.439 or something like that. And um, mally, what do you think about 23 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.840 that? What? Why do you think they're doing that? Why? Indeed, 24 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:38.920 why why would they do something that is so blatant and is only going 25 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:45.040 to gather more attention to the cause. Now this is blown up and people 26 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.000 know about it, far more so than they would if they put up banners. 27 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.799 I can't think of a logical reason that they would do this. I 28 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:59.239 don't think that there is a logical reason, to be perfectly clear, only 29 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:04.120 illogical ones can account for something like this, and it is. It is 30 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.599 clearly discrimination. There's no way to hide it. They try to dress it 31 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.840 up like they didn't fulfill their requirements. They did. I took a look 32 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:17.479 online at the requirements and the group fulfilled them perfectly. They're just now having 33 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:21.719 trouble just now, at this precise moment, I don't know where. I 34 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:28.280 am definitely not buying it. My thoughts on this are that so I want 35 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.240 to avoid the Godwin's law thing where everything that I don't like is fascism, 36 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:37.360 right, But you know, I think there's something to that here, because 37 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:42.879 the fascism playbook is about silencing opposition. And we remember, you know, 38 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:47.000 the threats to the press under Trump, and we remember what we know that 39 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:53.400 they're silencing opposition. This is something that has become very well evident, and 40 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:58.919 fascism is at its essence and astocracy. You know, in Germany it was 41 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:06.479 the area and here I call it the white picket fence supremacists because that's what 42 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:08.439 they want. They want to come home from a hard day at the Gali 43 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:12.759 Gigi Frus factory and put their feet up and have their wife rubbed them while 44 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.560 they drink a cold beer. And that way of life is under attack, 45 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:22.360 or you know, it's organically fading, I should say. And so they're 46 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.840 thrown out all the steps or thrown out all the stops to attack this, 47 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.439 and you know it's it's just blatant. Sometimes they can't hide it, and 48 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:35.080 I think this is one such case. I don't know, what do you 49 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.840 think, Chris, I mean, I agree, it's definitely a completely blatant 50 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.039 case of discrimination. What really stuck out to me was it was what three 51 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.560 four years ago, they did the exact same thing, the same group post 52 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.120 banners for another event. Had no problem with it, but there was a 53 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.199 giant public outcry. So I think what we're seeing right now is along the 54 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.560 same lines as all those lawsuits we saw in regarding the last election where they 55 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.280 had no merit. They knew it had no merit, but they had to 56 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.439 they had to show the base, Hey, you know, we're with you. 57 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.479 We're you know, even though we're gonna lose this case, we're with 58 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.520 you. So it's it's you mentioned fascism and you didn't want you know, 59 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.319 it's if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's 60 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.199 probably a duck. Um. So I think that's exactly what it is. 61 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:21.560 And it's kind of crazy to me that they just sort of invented this sort 62 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:26.959 of amorphous one rule that they haven't met this time around um, and then 63 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.639 they refused to tell them what that rule is so they can try to amend 64 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:34.319 their banners. To me, it just doesn't treat um. Yeah, I 65 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:38.160 agree, I mean, I you know, it seems kind of like just 66 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.480 petty bickering, just like you're not going to play according to my rules, 67 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.279 so screw off. You know, you can't you know, it's I'm going 68 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.839 to change the rules. But I wonder if this is maybe part of a 69 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:50.759 of a bigger plan. You know, we we've you've heard of the phrase 70 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:55.439 throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. And you know, I'm 71 00:04:55.480 --> 00:05:00.160 wondering, and we saw that actually work to good effect in the le v. 72 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:04.279 Wade case, Right we had Roe v. Wade had established abortion rights 73 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.920 as established law of the land. And but you know, they just kept 74 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:12.639 chipping away at it, kept chipping away at it until you get that perfect 75 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.759 storm with just the right case, with just the right court, with just 76 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.079 you know, just the right timing and the public opinion and just you know, 77 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:23.800 just the perfect balance of everything, and then they were able to gain 78 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:26.519 their victory. And so I wonder if if this is just you know, 79 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.199 let's just keep making them go to court until one of these days there's going 80 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.399 to be a court that rules against and so then that's going to that's gonna 81 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:39.480 set an established precedent there um. Consistency, of course is no problem for 82 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:44.240 the people who employ these types of plans, But but really it just shows 83 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:48.800 a disdain for the whole American legal system altogether. I mean, it's it's 84 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:55.079 viewed more as something that's to be gained and manipulated to to get a particular 85 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:59.680 result, rather than starting from base principles and working your way up. You 86 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:01.439 know, these types of decisions should come from the ground up, not from 87 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.879 the top down. We shouldn't. We should We should look at what's important 88 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:09.240 in our country, what's legal in our country, what's founding principles in our 89 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:12.959 country, and then take it from there, not start at the ending point 90 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:15.680 and then see, okay, well what kind of path can we you know, 91 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.600 can we figure out that will lead us to this desired conclusion? Kelly, 92 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.160 what's your take here? Um? I you know, one of the 93 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:25.480 things that gets me about this whole thing is that and I think a lot 94 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.920 of probably people who are working for the city who are denying these permits are 95 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.920 probably not Christian nationalists, but they are Christians who love this nation. And 96 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:39.439 that's a different thing. A lot of people don't understand what Christian nationalists are, 97 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:43.319 and they are, as Mally pointed out, they are. They are 98 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:49.199 neo fascists. It's a neo fascist movement that has co opted religious and patriotic 99 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:55.720 language and symbolism to push a fascist agenda. And it's something that we all 100 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.959 need to stand up and fight against. It has nothing to do with being 101 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:03.079 a good Christian but and it's actually antithetical to Christian beliefs. Most importantly, 102 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.720 treating people the way you would want to be treated yourself one of the things 103 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:11.040 I was wondered about, and I'd like to get some feedback from the panel 104 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:15.199 on this. Do you think that the Metroplex atheists who in the organization who 105 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.240 were singled out on this, do you think that they were singled out? 106 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.839 Do you think that they had been a different organization, or if they were 107 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:25.680 doing an event that it didn't have to do with Christian nationalism, that this 108 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.279 wouldn't have happened to them. What do you think, Mally? Oh? 109 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.319 Well, absolutely, of course they were singled out. You can tell by 110 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.959 the timing and the lame excuse they got, as you said in Amorphous Rule, 111 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.680 that they were referring to that doesn't exist. I mean, you can 112 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:45.439 look this stuff up. It's all at domain. Just go ahead and look 113 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:48.680 and look at their requirements. They fulfilled them. You know, it's it's 114 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:55.800 awfully suspicious, especially after the first time there was a big hullabaloo and then 115 00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:00.959 the signs are getting vandalized, and of course you know the who's in control 116 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:07.600 of that particular city government. It's just people that don't want these people to 117 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:13.759 speak. And it's really ironic because it's about Christian nationalism. The event is 118 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:18.759 set to call out Christian nationalism, and what is the response the exact thing 119 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:26.160 that they're complaining about. It's just so ironic. There's no better advertisement for 120 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.199 their event than what happened. So yeah, I think it is definitely about 121 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:31.759 them. Chris, what do you think, sort of bouncing off something that 122 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:37.320 Scott said a little earlier back about the Rovywade issue. In the years following 123 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.519 the rov Wade ruling, there were a lot of smaller rulings in states that 124 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.720 we're trying to chip away at those rights, trying to put laws in place, 125 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.240 like trigger laws and things like that. So I think this might very 126 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.679 well be something along those lines. Where they're sort of trying to let you 127 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.240 tread the line, see how far they can go with it. So eventually, 128 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:56.759 if they can just keep pushing that line and pushing that line and pushing 129 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:58.840 that line, they can get to where they really want, which is, 130 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.360 if you're going to have anything that is a religious organization, you're not allowed 131 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.759 to advertise. If you're going to have any sort of h anything that has 132 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.840 anything to do with calling out Christian nationalists or anything like that, you're just 133 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.039 not going to be able to hold those sort of events, or at least 134 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.480 advertise them publicly. But I think this is definitely a shot across the bow 135 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.960 in that way. What do you think's got Yeah, I agree, I 136 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.120 think that's definitely what this is. And what worries me the most here is 137 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.000 that now they're not even trying to hide it. Like you know, we 138 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.559 started out talking about how this was obviously I mean, it's so it's there's 139 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.840 lots in the news these days that you can see that can go either way. 140 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.159 This is not one of those things, and so it was clearly a 141 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.600 violation of this particular group. Well, I suppose we are assuming that that 142 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.440 they haven't been doing this to other groups. I mean, none of the 143 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:54.840 none of my research turned up any any other groups that were affected or even 144 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.919 other instances of this group. We're not target and so it was this one 145 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.559 time with this one group. And so it's clearly a timing thing. Um, 146 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.240 it seems really obvious that this is happening, but it you know, 147 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.240 it's it's not so much that this kind of thing is happening, because this 148 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.200 is kind of thing has always been happening. But now it's like they're not 149 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.840 even they're not even trying to hide it. It's like there it's like the 150 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.679 the flaunting and the and the throwing it in the face and the shooting across 151 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.320 the bottle. Like Chris was saying, like that's part of the feature, 152 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:24.279 right, that's the feature, not a bug. It gets it gets noticed, 153 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:28.000 it gets it shows. Um. I think it was Malle that was 154 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.159 talking about signaling to their base that you know, here, we're we're doing 155 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.279 what you wanted us to do. We're we're we're standing up, we're fighting 156 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:37.919 the good fight against these heathens and and um, and I don't know, 157 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.600 it just doesn't seem I don't know, it doesn't seem very American to me. 158 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:43.679 And you know, and if this is a sign of the times, 159 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.679 I don't think it's voting well for for the American political or legal system. 160 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.039 Of of course, you know people say that in every year, but uh, 161 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.159 you know, I guess I'm one of those people. Now it's I'm 162 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.799 saying that about now, So that's kind of my team, all right. 163 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.759 Then, Um, of the things I noticed that when I would because I 164 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.519 read a lot of the news, believe it or not count the nonprofits. 165 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:09.120 There was actually an event put on by a secular group in Tulsa or Oklahoma 166 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.360 City, I'm sorry Oklahoma City the last week, and they went off with 167 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.399 out a hitch. They actually did it at a church. They talked about 168 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.000 Christian nationalism, and they didn't have any problem with the national or the local 169 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.759 government. So I really have a problem with what's going on here in Fort 170 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.759 Worth. It. I don't think it's right at all. I'm hoping that 171 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:33.320 the Metroplex atheists solved this. I don't know what kind of outcome they're looking 172 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.679 for. I was wondering what people here thought might be a good outcome. 173 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.240 I know, getting their banners up in time for the event would be the 174 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.759 best outcome, and I know they're going to court for a temporary injunction to 175 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.360 get those banners put back up. But in the long term, what do 176 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.720 you think would be a good resolution on this, Malley? Well, a 177 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.240 good resolution obviously, you know they want to get their banners up. As 178 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.440 far as this particular event, I you know, I think that they've got 179 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.519 everything they had asked for with all the publicity. Um, you know, 180 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.120 all the publicity is worth a lot more than you know, any amount of 181 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:11.519 banners. I think they're gonna They're gonna see a great turnout. I'm interested 182 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.600 in an outcome, though, a wider breadth outcome, and I was very 183 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.559 pleased to see that. But you just talked about INTELSA happened in a church, 184 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:26.919 and you know, we need Christian allies in this fight. They are 185 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:31.320 invaluable and there are plenty of them out there that see what's happening and they 186 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:37.000 want no part of it because they know it's not very christ like not to 187 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.919 cut in. But there was actually a minister speaking at the Metroplex Atheist seminar 188 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.320 too, So what we need that is what we need, absolutely, And 189 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.159 my gosh, I mean, you know, it's like how straight people need 190 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:56.639 to be allies for the lgbtq Q community and how black people need white people 191 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.200 in their corner. You know they can't. It's of course they can do 192 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.759 it on their own, but we have to be allies, and we need 193 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.840 the Christian allies. Ally, ship is really, really really important. Christians 194 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:15.120 are a majority, just like white people or straight people are, and they 195 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.600 hold the keys to power. And you know, if we can convince them 196 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.440 to be a little bit more like Jesus in a little bit less like old 197 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.840 Donnie T, I think we're going to have a lot better results. Chris, 198 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.840 Yeah, No, I agree one hundred percent. Ally, ship with 199 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.399 Christians that are that are as much about free speech, more about free speech 200 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.480 than they are about promoting and their own their own ends, um, which 201 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.679 may or may not be their specific ends in this instance. UM. I 202 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.840 think a really good um turnout for this, or a really good ending for 203 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.440 this is going to be, honestly, what we're starting to see already, 204 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.799 which is just the visibility of this kind of a fight, uh and hopefully 205 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:00.240 seeing some sort of ruling. I mean, I really hope that this makes 206 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:01.799 its way all the way up to this Opreame Court and we have to have 207 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.320 some sort of a ruling where this sort of thing can't go on. Um, 208 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.679 just laying down some sort of a foundation for freedom of speech in this 209 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:16.480 sort of context that's across the board, can't be uh, can't be misinterpreted 210 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.399 or anything like that. Scott, Yeah, I exactly, And I think 211 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.120 and part of that is going to be to to reframe the conversation here. 212 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:30.000 Um. You know there there's there's really kind of two two conflicts happening here. 213 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:35.559 We have the Christian uh conservative Christian group or whatever you want to call 214 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.759 it, is against this uh, this atheist group. That's what they're there. 215 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:41.639 That's the that's the battle they're fighting, right, and the in the 216 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:45.840 battle that we're looking at is the First Amendment issue, right, it's the 217 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.120 it's a freedom of speech. And so I think we need to focus on 218 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.840 um, you know, and we see this tactic used so often, you 219 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.360 know, kind of a wolf in sheep's clothing kind of kind of set up, 220 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.399 you know, we they're they're pushing it as as one type of issue, 221 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.120 but really what's happening is a particular type of discrimination. And so I 222 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.440 think it's I think we need to frame ideally an outcome from an event like 223 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.679 this or from a conflict like this, would be that you know, now 224 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.879 we see the cockroaches scurring across the floor, and now we see the cards 225 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.360 are on the table, and now we see what's going on. You know, 226 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.440 I obviously you know it's going to be different for different situations. You 227 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.240 know, different events like this that happen will have more or less of an 228 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.159 effect. But I would like to see things rolling in that direction. Let's 229 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:37.720 there's one thing that annoys me so much is that it's ambiguous language. It's 230 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.480 people kind of clouding what they're saying with a wink and a nudge when they're 231 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.840 really saying something else. And so let's let's just lay it out there, 232 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.919 let's talk about what we're talking about here, and let's make a wise and 233 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.919 sound decision based off of that. Yeah, like Chris said, I mean, 234 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.679 they're still quacking like a bigot, right, And that's if it quacks 235 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.399 like a biggot, it's still a biggot. So no matter how they try 236 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.679 to hide the language or couch the language, and I always find it kind 237 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.720 of funny that they think that they're hiding what they're saying, but we all 238 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.879 know what they're saying, we all hear the dog whistles that. I find 239 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:14.879 it kind of his plausible. I guess. There you go, plausible deniability. 240 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.320 There you go. So, yeah, what what do you do You 241 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.519 think there's any just real, real quick, does anybody think there's something we 242 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.279 can do to prevent something like this happening again in the future. Yeah, 243 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.879 that'll be it. You know, just what we're doing now talking about it, 244 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.519 bringing it to people's attention. You know what this group is doing with 245 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.240 uh, you know, filing their their lawsuit or fighting their legal battle there. 246 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:40.759 I mean, that's just yeah, vigilance and not don't let it get 247 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.240 swept under the rug, because you know, we know where we're on a 248 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.440 twenty four hour news cycle these days, and so it's very easy to forget 249 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.279 things and move on to things and so on. So you know, keep 250 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.879 these important issues in the in the headlights. I think this is a good 251 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.840 example of a small group of people standing up and actually getting something done that 252 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.679 for for a good cause. I'm always talking about standing up and doing things, 253 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.240 and it doesn't take much. When you have a small group of people, 254 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:04.880 it takes even less because you're sharing the work. And this is a 255 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.400 really good example of that. I think you know what. This has been 256 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:11.839 a great segment. I had a great time, and thank you for watching. 257 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.920 And if you'd like more than nonprofits, you can click right here.