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I file vans. The original air date

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June the twentieth, nineteen fifty and
the title is The Prize Ring Murder Case.

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A little more around the shoulders,
joy boy, just a little more.

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You take a shower, you get
dressed. Yeah, yeah, who's

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that? Okay? Who invites who
into my dressing room? I beat it,

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both of you guys, come on
out, relaxed, Joey, Yeah,

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wait a minute, nobody throws my
manager out of my place. You

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stick post. I'll see you later, Joey. A couple of things I

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gotta do. So long, Well, Terris, what is all this?

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I need you here like I need
a hole in my head. Why don't

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you relax, Joey? Sure,
mister Terris, Hey, there ain't no

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chairs. Oh that a little thing
like that? Stop you? Joey,

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How would you like to make some
money? Big money? Easy money?

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How would you like me to throw
you out in your ear? Look,

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Terris, I don't like you.
I don't like guys like you. I'm

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a fighter. I got two hands. I got ahead with nothing in it

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that you wouldn't be lostening your lid
without listening. Look, maybe I didn't

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make myself plain. I don't like
you. I don't like gamblers. The

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only thing I like to do is
fight. But I fight honest. Sure,

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and now look, Joey, that's
fine, that's all. Wonderful ideals

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are wonderful things. You keep,
only keep them in the background where they

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won't get in the way. If
you're making an easy dollar and you fight

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tomorrow night. Now, I got
a proposition for you. I got one

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for you. I don't throw any
fights for you or anybody else, So

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get out of here before I bount
you up. Are you getting puppy?

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Sure? Bush? Now? Why
not? So you're too gonna get tough?

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Good? That's just what I mean. Nice work. I done it,

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mister Terris bound him right on the
skull. He'll sleep for a while.

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That blackjack of yours provides a rather
lethal i'll buy a clumpy too bad.

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You had to slug him too bad. He wouldn't listen. He's a

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jerk. I didn't want him to
throw any fight. The only thing I

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wanted was to be sure he was
going to try to win tomorrow night.

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Take a look at these hands,
honey, ain't very pretty. Honey,

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you got bum taste, honey,
bum tasting hands. I'm tasting boyfriends.

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What do you want with a look
like me? Anybody else said that?

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Joey? I brain him? That's
anybody says anything different than that? Brain

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him too. You can't go around
braining people just like that, honey.

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Only one way to make me stop. That's the way. Well, I

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gotta fight tomorrow night, and I'm
keeping your a weight, so I think,

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Oh Papa, oh papa, I
was just leaving, so it's perfectly

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all right with me. If you
want to touch your little lightweight into bed

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in a minute, you better wait
a while. Honey, Oh how bad

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can that be? And what's going
on? Papa? Why did you walk

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out of the dressing room this afternoon
when Phil Terris told you? That's what's

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going on? Joy, That's what
I want to talk to you about.

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I'm listening. Derris didn't want you
to throw the bout tomorrow, Joy,

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No, I'll bet he didn't.
He's got a bundle going on you same

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as I have. He's betting you
to win. What so? What did

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he want? Then? Wanted to
know? Joy'd being there trying. But

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I think he's doing is building up
Joy until I get Joy a big match,

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and he's gonna want Joy to lay
down. Pop? What kind of

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business is this? I'm a fighter. When I win, I win.

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When I lose, it's because some
of the guy hits harder. Now,

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let's skip all this talk about throwing
fights. I gotta get the slash,

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sure boy, Shore night, Honey, Night, Joy naked good tomorrow.

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I'll be listening. I'll do my
best. Sure how much though we got

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gone on this tomornight? Pop the
Bankroll, Joy The Works thirty five granded

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even money. What did I say
to you, honey? Did I do

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my best? That's what my boy
said, take it back thirty five grand

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I'll do even better than that.
Well, Vance, that's the end of

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the wrong. It's a good fight. Glad you came. Definitely, Markham,

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I don't think our boys going to
last, though, Killey Martin,

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I still think you'll win. Yellow
Fella's tired. He's tired of hitting Joey's

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chin so often. Incidentally, even
though you are a district attorney, you

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don't have too much drag in this
town. I've been in better seats.

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A fight was a sellout, and
you didn't make up your mind about coming

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until the last moment. Besides,
there wasn't any law against you're trying to

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get the tickets. There most certainly
was a law I wrote and pasted my

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son. Oh, I tried to
get them. We'd be at home listening

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to this over the radio. I'll
tell you something, Markham, in which

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event I listened. Thank you.
What I was about to say was,

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but the managers really do a good
job working over their fighters between rounds.

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Look at them over there, certainly
active. Oh, there's the warning buzzer

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Vans ten seconds in the next ryest
I know a shot fans keeping the back

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of the ranga. No oh,
I'm glad of that. I wonder why

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else? Well, it's up money
over here a ringside, A shot fired

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in the back of the arena.
Man stabbed at ringside. Come on,

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man's let's find out what this is
all about. A long way to the

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ringside. Excuse me? What's day
a queens, ladies and gentlemen, And

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ladies and gentlemen, please keep your
seats until the police arrived. Pop Manning

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Joey Martin's managers, but stabbed to
death. Nobody is to leave this arena.

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Man's never fighting a mystery all in
one evening. I suppose you'll start

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work right now and finding out who
killed Pop Manny. I'm going to do

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twice as much work on that,
Markham. I'm going to have to find

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the two people who were responsible for
his death too. Yes, Markham too,

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don't you understand why? Yes,
Miss Anderson, mister Vance. Mister

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Markham hasn't called in on this cro
line, has he. No. I'm

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waiting here in his office in case
he does, though, Well, perhaps

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you ought to see this, young
lady inasmuch as mister Markham is out.

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What young lady, Well, she
says she knows something about the killing of

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our fight manager last night, and
she's here with me in the outer office.

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Now, please ask her to come
in, Yes, girl with some

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information? Well, whatever it is, it's oh, yes, come in

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please. Man's my name is Collins. Honeyto came here to see the district

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attorney. But I wanted to meet
you. I've seen your pictures in the

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paper so often I feel like I
know Yet I am using mister Markham's office

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temporarily. In fact, I'm waiting
for him to come back from examining the

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people who were at the ringside of
the fight last night. Well, I'll

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tell you what I wanted to tell
him. Pop Manning was killed by mistake.

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He was, Yeah, I know, I'm sure of it. I

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should know. I'm Joey Martin's girl. You're the girlfriend of the fighter whome

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Manning managed. That's right. And
I'll tell you that somebody wanted to kill

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Joey and Pop only he wasn't supposed. Who was it that wanted to kill

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your boyfriend? A character named Phil
Terris. He's a gamble I've heard of

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him. What makes you think there
was an error? Maid, though,

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we'll figure it out. There they
were Pop and Joey and Joey's corse.

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I know I was there. Oh
well, then you saw it, didn't

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you. Pop was bending over Joey
working on a cut on Joey's chin.

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The ten second buzzer had sounded,
only Joey jumped up ahead of the bell

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to start around, and Pop moved
in to pick up a stool. You're

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very observant. I don't think silly. I wasn't even there. I can't

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watch Joey when he fights. Joey
told him this is his idea, not

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mine, the idea of being that
when Joey moved and Pop took his place

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for a second, that's when the
man who held the knife made his move.

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Ah, it was all time.
I know how it was timed.

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It was timed so that once the
shot was fired and the man with the

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knife started his move, he couldn't
stop it. I agree partially with what

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you've told me. I have idea
Pop Manning was killed in error. Yes,

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why would anybody want a manager dead? Want him dead? So badly

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took a chance killing him in front
of fifteen thousand people know all the things

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you've pointed out to me. I
saw for myself then I did right coming

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here. You most certainly did in
fact that well, that's the distric attorney's

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private phone. Excuse me just for
moment, Van speaking Markham Vans Oh,

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yes, Markham. We questioned everybody
at the ringside, everybody who had the

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slightest chance of getting near enough to
pop Manning to put a knife in him,

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and everybody swears he was aware of
what the man next to him was

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doing at every moment between the time
the shot was fired and the body was

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discovered, and nobody moved toward the
ring, which they'd have to do in

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order to step Manning. Unless the
knife was thrown, it wasn't. The

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murderer held it, and there are
no fingerprints on it. M Markham.

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Was a man named Phil Terrace at
the ringside. Yes he was. I

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questioned him myself, and the man
next to him too. According to that

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man, Terrace didn't move. Well, perhaps that man works for terrorist markam

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Man is alibying him. That is
possible. Of course, I've let him

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go, but I know where I
can pick him up. Or let me

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do that, please, all right, Ant Markolm. Yes, there's a

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very charming young lady in your office
who has a very good theory about Manning

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and death. What's that. Well, she seems to think that Manning was

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killed in error by somebody who wanted
Joey Martin the Fighter out of the way,

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one of those Prize Fight Gamber things
that didn't work out. It might

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be That's why I asked if you
questioned Phil Terrace Malcolm, from the look

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of things, if he killed Manning
by mistake or intention, he did it

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in a way I can't figure out, which means why that he isn't only

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a gambler, he's a magician.
To night, Clappy, we celebrate the

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best entire for you and me.
That's what I like. The best deserve

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it. You were wonderful when the
distant attorney was questioning you. I didn't

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tell him nothing. And you know
why, because I don't know nothing.

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I've heard rumors of that, Clumpy, no kidding. Yeah, I'm really

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getting around in I you know,
somebody's at the door, mister Terrace.

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Apparently I'm going to see who it
is. I won't be long, and

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then we'll make plans for tonight.
For the first, for the first and

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tough. That's right? Yes,
Hello, I'm final vans Kiddy? What

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does that make me? Man?
I want to see I think that's right.

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What do you want hair vance?
I'll tell you first what I didn't

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want. I didn't want the door
closed in my face. That's the reason

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I pushed my way in. Okay, you're in. You want to see

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me? You're a terrorist? Yes, I want to see you. Who's

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the ape? He's clumpy, he
doesn't come. Hey, I do so

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one, two, three? See
what you mean terrorist? Let's skip clumpy

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for a minute. I came here
to find out if you bet the fight

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last night. You don't know much
about gambling the advance the fight was declared

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no contest when Poping was murdered.
How much did you have on the fight

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and whom did you have it on? Well, I guess you can check

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this around town, so I'll tell
you the truth. I had a lot

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of dough riding on Joey Martin,
who was losing. Was he well?

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Sure he was boss? You even
said that your sold. You know,

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Terris, you might have been smart
enough. Who want to kill Martin when

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he was in the ring to protect
your bet, of course. But when

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you saw Pop Manning move into the
position Martin was in, you knew you

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could obtain the same result the stopping
of the fight. By killing him,

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I could save you a lot of
trouble Vans. The attorney asked me all

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the stock questions. My answers were
taken down to look them up back.

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Go do anything you want. Only
get out of here when I'm ready to

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leave. Show him that he's ready, now, Clumpy, that's one invitation

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I'll accept. That takes care of
your stooge, Terrice you next, No,

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thank you. I just like to
watch fight and bet on them.

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Yes, well, I've had my
fun, soul. I will be going

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with a promise, of course.
I promise that someday we'll return again to

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the beautiful island of paradise where the
blues. I'll get that. No,

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you don't. This is my house
late, my friend, well, Joey

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Martin, who are you? My
name is Violo Vance. I'm investigating Pop

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Manning's murder. What are you doing
here? He came to see me?

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Of course, we're friends, good
friends. My name Joey. Yeah,

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tell a man we're friends. Even
if he did, would believe him with

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that look on his face. I
think I'll leave you two playmates alone.

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I've met some interesting people. I've
established a motive for Pop Manning's death.

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No, I think I'll get to
work. This is just what Attorney Markham.

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The Prize Ring murder case began when
Manning fight manager was stabbed while in

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the ring taking care of his fighter, Joey Martin. Final Vans has established

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that Manning might have been killed by
accident, with Martin the real intended victim.

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He has also contacted a gambler named
Phil Terrace, who had a lot

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of money bet on Martin to win
the fight, a fight which he was

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losing. Incinectally, Vans had just
come into my office with the story of

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his incomptent change. Look, Vans, I understand all about your meeting with

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that gambler Terrace, but I'd like
to go back to the fight for a

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moment. Well, they're not going
to restage it just for you, my

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friend. You know what I mean. When we were at the fight and

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I said we'd have to look for
the man responsible for Pop Manning's death,

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you said we'd have to look for
two people responsible. Now why two people?

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What happened just before the stabbing.
Markham, what happened? Well,

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my shot was fired, but nobody
was hurt, but everybody's attention was distracted

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from the ring momentarily sufficient time for
the killer to stab Manning. Yes,

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I suppose. So therefore the shot
was planned and planned for a certain time.

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Whoever fired it was working with the
actual murderer, and is an accessory

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to the crime. Simple, isn't
it. It is? Now you'll be

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interested in knowing that. I'm getting
to believe your theory that Manning's murder wasn't

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intended. I am interested, but
it isn't my theory. It belongs to

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that Collins girl, Honeycollins, Joey
Martin's friend. Oh yes, but it

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has logic. Believe me, I
do. I'll give you all the facts

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we have so you can go on
from here if you like. Are there

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any you haven't told me? Well, I'm not sure, but this much

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I do know. It was very
warm in the arena, as you know,

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and nobody man or woman wore gloves. Yet there were no fingerprints found

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on the knife. Handkerchief around the
knife handle would keep prints off, but

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you can't wind a handkerchief around a
knife, step up and stab somebody without

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being seen or without the movement being
noticed, granting that everybody was looking toward

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the back of the arena where the
shot came from. I've already indicated to

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you that Terrace had an employee alongside
of him who could have lied. Yes,

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but I have the feeling that you're
holding something back. Really, why

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Markam I'm surprised at you. I'm
sorry. I know you're don't intend to

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don't apologize my friend. As a
matter of fact, I am holding something

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back, something that I hope will
break this case. I don't mind me

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talking to you while you're working out
with the police, do you, Joey?

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No, No, I'll tell you
what. I can't appear to the

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gymnasium for. I mean, there
was another reason besides just seeing me.

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Yeah, Joey, I want you
to fight somebody, somebody get fresh with

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you. Who is it? Tell
me who is? I'm not come silly,

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nothing like that, Joey. This
is a fight I want you to

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have with a Poe and we give
the dough. You get the Pop Spamily

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for Oh, Joey, you know
they could use dough come they got plenty.

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Pop had a lot of doughbet on
the fight. It's dough that don't

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have to be paid out to nobody
else since they call it no contest.

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Pop's families got that. How much
was what? Joey? You again?

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What are you doing here? Oh? Almost Collins? You remember me final

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Vans. Joey, you were saying
that Pop had money bet on the fight

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on you? Who else? How
much? Thirty five grand I'll bankroll.

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It ain't no crime to bet on
yourself, is it? Vance No,

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But it is a crime for a
fighter who claims to be honest to associated

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with gamblers like Phil Terrace. You
mean when you saw me up there yesterday.

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But I'll tell you why I went
up there. I wanted to knock

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him from here to China for what
he did the Pop. Sure, Joey

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thinks terrorists wanted to kill him and
got Pop by a mistake, like I

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told you. Joey may be right, but then again you may be wrong,

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but so wrong. I said,
so wrong, not so long,

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Joey. You know I was at
the fight with mister Markham. I think

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I saw something. Oh from where
you were sitting, You're lucky you saw

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the fight. The seats weren't good. But they did put me at the

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scene of a crime, something that
hasn't happened for a long time. So

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why did you say, Vans?
Well, what you'll find out, and

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so will your friend of Terrace.
And by the way, if you should

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see it, I won't. Well
if you should tell him for me to

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enjoy himself, what kind of a
message is that? Oh, I haven't

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finished. Tell him to enjoy himself
while he still can. Everything's working wonderfully,

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Markholm. All right, if you
say so, Where are you now?

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I'm calling you from a phone booth. I left Joey Martin and his

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girlfriend about an hour ago after giving
them a message for Phil Terrice. I

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beg your pardon. I'm afraid I
heard what you said. What do they

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have to do with Terrice? That
remains to be seen. I indicated to

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them that I had something on the
gamble right here there. That's what's going

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on. Lloyd's It's all right,
Markham. Somebody just opened the door of

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this phone booth and slugged me.
But it didn't take I'm glad it didn't.

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Any idea who'd want Yes, it
was that stooge of Terrace, A

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fellow named Humpy you know what this
means, don't you, Markham? I

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think so things that apparently Terrace got
your message. You understand the set up,

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Miss Collins, I don't know.
I don't know whether I do or

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not. It's very simple. You
get Joey and go to see Phil Terrace.

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I have Joey say that he's ready
to do business with Terrace, get

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Terrice to make him an offer.
I understand that part of it. Only

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how is that going to prove he
murdered Pop Manning. I don't want Terrace

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around loose while I closed the case
against him. Ah, you do what

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I ask you to do, Markham, and I will come in and we'll

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be able to arrest him for trying
to get Joey to throw a fight.

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Then when you have him in jail, you'll be able to work out in

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me open exactly. We'll take Terrace
and his friend Clumpy to jail and I

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won't have to worry about making phone
calls anymore. You're sure it was Clumpy.

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That's luge positive. Now will you
do as I asked, Miss Collins?

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Sure? Only yeah Vans, Yes, my friends call me honey,

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m We haven't really had time to
become friends have we whose fault is that?

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Well, let's just say there was
a chronological obstacle. Well, whatever

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it is, can't we kick it
out of the way. I like your

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vans. What about Joey? Oh? I like him too. That's the

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trouble with me. I think I'm
a coon. I like everybody, just

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like Honey said Terris. Yeah,
we could use fifty grand in cash.

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You can make that easy by betting
against me my next fight and I take

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a dive, So you're a cinch. I don't know, Joey. Fifty

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thousands a lot of money when you
figure to make a hundred grand. Why

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don't I know you won't cross me? Leave that to me. He won't

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cross you, mister terrorists, not
when he gets fifty thousand for not win

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anyone. The only thing is I
want to do in advance. I want

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to bet it on the other guy. Oh you do. I just had

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an idea. Suppose I bet it
for you. Then in order to collect

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your bet, you've got to lay
down. Explain that to me, Honey.

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It's all right, Joey, mister
terrorist, instead of giving you the

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fifty thousand dollars before the fight like
you want, that's it. For you.

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It's the same as you make in
the bed, and it's okay.

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What's good enough for honey is good
enough for me. It's a deal and

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it fight is a week from Friday. I'm going to give you fifty thousand

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dollars. I'm going to bet that
much for you. I mean, and

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you're going to blow the fight.
Agreed and shake Okay, mister Markham,

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mister Vance, you can come in
now. What is this the old double

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cross? Try terrorists? Martin.
Miss Collins agreed to help us trapus vans

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as idea, and it was a
good one. I think. I don't

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think you will well quite a right
hand you have, Joey. Eh.

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Thanks. Knocking out Terrist does mean
we'll have to carry him to headquarters,

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but that won't be too difficult.
And when you've got him there, it'll

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be a sine to prove he killed
Pop Manning while trying to knife Joey.

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Oh, that will be a little
difficult, Miss Collins. You will yes,

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Hey, that was the idea,
This whole gimmick, wasn't it.

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So we'll give you time to get
evidence as something against Terrace. I can't

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very well prove he killed Pop Manning
Joey when actually you did it, went

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Miss Collins, Hey, Vance,
you blow in your lap without knowing why

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Van had said that. I'm still
willing to bet it's right. I'm gonna.

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I wouldn't, Mark, And if
you don't believe me, believe this

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gun I'm holding. All right.
You made me believe you're for terrorists killed

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Pop. Now you say it's us. Oh, how can you prove a

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stupid thing like that? What reason
could you find for us doing it?

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I have the motive and I have
the proof. And as soon as mister

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Markham takes you and Joey and of
course our friend on the floor down to

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headquarters, I'll be only too glad
to explain how I knew you and Joey

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killed Pop, how you did it, and why you did it. Let's

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begin with the motive, Markham.
All right, Joey was losing the fight

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a fight in you Pop Manning had
bet their combined bank roll on, so

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he wanted the fight declared no contest, so he killed his manager. Yes,

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only it isn't as simple as that. You see, the plan Joey

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and Honeyhead had to be worked out
in advance, and there was the detail

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of the knife to be handled.
Maybe you'd better just tell me what happened,

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all right. Joey thought he might
lose the fight, so he arranged

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with Honey to fire a blank cartridge
at a certain time if he were a

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losing She did, and he had
a chance to stab Pop Manning and push

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the body back into the ringside customers
while everybody was looking toward the back of

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the arena. Honey's confession in the
case, that's what you did. But

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how did the knife get into the
ring? I think Joey will tell you.

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He asked Bob to have a knife
put in the water bucket, made

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up some reason like wanting to be
protected in case Phil Terrice tried to get

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to him, anything at all.
Oh, I see, now you want

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to know how I knew Terrice wasn't
involved in the killing, and how you

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knew Honey was. But that could
wait. Well, let's take Terrace first.

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Right when you told me that the
man alongside of him swore Terrace hadn't

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moved toward the ring when the shot
was fired, I pointed out that that

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man could have been an accomplice of
the gamblers, and he was a fellow

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they called Clumpy but how about the
man on the other side of terrace,

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Markham. He wasn't an accomplice,
was he. He was a sportswriter.

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Come to think of advance. If
terrace had moved, he'd have told me.

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I'm sure he would have. Now
to our friend, Honey, she

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tried to cover herself by insisting to
me at one time in this case that

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she had never seen Joey fight and
had never been in an arena. Yes,

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yes, yet she knew where you
and I were seated at the fight,

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Markham. That's right. She told
me in your office that she recognized

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me from my pictures, and later
in the gymnasium she endicate that we couldn't

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have seen much from the bad seats
we had, And when she knew where

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we were seated, you knew she
must have been there, must have been

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there spotted us. But proceeded with
her plan regardless. Yes, anyhow,

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once I knew she was lying,
I knew what the reason must be.

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And after I realized that the only
man near enough to stab Pop was Joey,

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and the Joey was the only man
outside of his opponent who wore gloves

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and snow fingerprints, why that was
it. So it was of course that

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fellow Clumpy attacked you in the phone
booth because you had knocked him out in

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front of his boss and he wanted
to regain face. And I framed the

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situation involving Phil Terrace because he belongs
behind bars and to keep Honey and Joey

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from suspecting they were suspects in Pop's
murder. Yes, I know, and

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well there you are. Yes,
you know where we are, don't you,

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Bass I think so. We're at
the end of the prize ring murder

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case us welcome back. The only
reason that Vance was in Markham's office,

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which was really weird because he's got
his own office, was so that the

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girlfriend could give her theory to Vance. Also, the henchman coming up on

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Vance while he was on the phone
and Sucker punching him was a jarring moment,

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but it's definitely a good way to
keep the audience awake. Wasn't her

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comments and feedback? Now? And
we have an email from Blaine who writes,

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hello, Adam, I'm not the
only one who has made disparaging comments

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about File of Vans over the months
you've been playing the show. The general

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consensus seems to be that he's an
insufferable egoist surrounded by idiots. But as

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the series comes to a close,
I feel compelled to give credit where it's

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due. The opening story hooks are
usually very good. In fact, I

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think that the writers probably spent seventy
percent of their time figuring out the first

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three minutes of the episode, and
then it had to bang out the rest

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in a hurry, with lackluster results. This week's episode, with the eleven

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PM phone call to save a life
that resulted in death, is a typical

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example. Great potential, but such
a lousy follow through that I almost felt

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cheated. I was hoping for a
bribe telephone operator using an older manual system,

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at least rather than the phone book
swap. Fun fact, human telephone

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operators were replaced with machines when one
specific operator would route every phone call meant

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for any funeral parlor in the city
to her husband's funeral parlor in a blatant

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abuse of her position. This isn't
one of the better series you've run,

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but it's not all that bad,
and I'm glad you chose to do it.

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I just wanted to say something nice
about it that I've been thinking about

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for a couple of months now.
Well, thank you for the comment,

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Blaine, and I have to say
that with follow Evans, it's been an

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interesting series. I don't think I've
heard anyone defend the plots, but I

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also can't recall any hugely harsh comments
on follow Evans. And that compares to

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other series. You know, we've
had programs that people have detested and have

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made clear over and over and over
and over band over again. I'm thinking

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about things like Standby for Crime,
or It's a Crime, Mister Collins,

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or even Pat Novac for Hire.
There were some people who just absolutely load

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those programs. That's not really been
the experience here. I think that you're

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right. The opening hooks are usually
really good. It's just that they rarely

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close the deal in a way that's
particularly satisfying. I also think they have

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superb titles, particularly earlier in the
series. In fact, we've had some

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really good growth on our YouTube channel, and I think part of that is

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due to follow Vans. The titles
were so good and also so basic to

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what someone who was looking for a
mystery might look for that we had a

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few months were follow Vans episodes were
consistently the most listen to thing that we

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posted, which is unusual given that
yours, truly, Johnny Doller, used

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to dominate everything. Don't quite get
the same reaction because I think the titles

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have gotten a little bit more obscure. The titles really great, and I

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think the acting is good. I
mean, there are some series where you've

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got a terrible script and terrible actors
or actors who could have talent, but

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just no, this is terrible and
I'm just gonna mail in the performance.

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But I think everyone who worked on
Fillow Vans as an actor was really solid

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and talented. I mean, Jackson
Beck is a radio legend in the Radio

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Hall of Fame for good reason.
And George Petrie, who plays Markham,

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was again a really solid New York
acting talent who we've already heard as the

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lead in other radio programs including Call
the Police and The Amazing Mister Malone,

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and we'll hear him again eventually as
the last actor to play the Falcons,

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although thankfully there will be enough episodes
separating the end of follow Vans from the

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start of his run on the Falcon
so I can hear those episodes without hearing

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Da Markham's voice. I was re
listening to an episode of The Amazing Mister

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Malone a few weeks back, and
I had to remind myself that in that

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he was playing someone who was actually
competent. But again, I think there's

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a lot to lack about it,
and even though no one thinks it was

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genius, it also doesn't have any
real peters, so I think that tis

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where foul Advance is gonna land.
Well, thank you so much for the

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comment, Blaine. And then we
have a comment from Eric regarding our encore

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presentation of the Lineup during our vacation
week. Eric, riots great to hear

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an old favorite of mine. The
lineup is one of my top three favorite

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series. You played Rocky Jordan and
Not Beat are the other two. If

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you're wondering, Well, thanks so
much, Eric, and I'm glad you

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enjoyed that. I was a little
nervous the way I ended up doing that

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of choosing pro pros based on those
that were playing near five hundredth day anniversary.

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Yeah, essentially you ended up with
random programs, but that can be

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good because if you like theme all
of your reruns and choose everything out carefully,

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then some programs just won't fit into
the particular theme week, so that

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gave us a chance to play some
programs like Frank Race and of course the

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Lineup. And finally we got a
Facebook message from Kevin, who writes evening

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y'all would like to say how I
really love listening to your radio program when

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I'm fed up depressed. The different
shows make me smile. Well, thank

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you so much, Kevin. So
glad to be of service. Now it's

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time to thank our Patreon supporter of
the day, and I want to go

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ahead and thank David. David's been
one of our Patreon supporters since September twenty

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seventeen, currently supporting the program at
these Shamus level of four dollars or more

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per month. Thank you so much
for your support, David, and that

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will actually do it for today.
If you are enjoying this podcast, please

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follow us using your favorite podcast software
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We'll be back next Thursday with another episode

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of Follow Mans, and coming next
Saturday, we'll be bringing you previously uncirculated

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episodes of Indictment. Join us back
here tomorrow for yours truly, Johnny Dollar,

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where you mean you think zenagin had
somebody put that cabin boy out of

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the way before you could talk with
him. Dollar. The doctor only said

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that he died under unusual circumstances.
But yes, that's exactly what I think.

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What's more important right now is it
apparently the lad told the doctor a

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thinga two before he died. So
I'm going on down there. You want

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to use my car, well,
Zenagian seemed to know I was going to

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use it before. He'll probably expect
me to use it now. See,

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you better give me a retal car, have it delivered to my hotel service

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entrance under your name. Okay,
Agan made no bones about him when I

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talked to him. He's having me
tailed, and he'll probably try to do

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the same thing to me that he
did to Bert Parker once he's sure.

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I'm trying to block his four hundred
and sixty thousand dollar claim. Dollar,

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and but me, I am to
stay alive until I can not only prove

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his claim of fraud, but see
him sent up a murdering Parker and the

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lads that went down with a jolly
Roger Dollar. Why don't you get the

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police in on this with you?
If your life's in danger, I want

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to do it alone. Hey,
one more thing, Yeah, you're sure

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that zenage and needed money. I
thought from all I've ever heard that that

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international racket here was loaded. According
to the papers, both Holland and Switzerland

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locked up his bank account just within
the last week or so. That's why

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he needs a potfull of cash to
get over there. That's why he sank

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his ship so he could collect from
your insurance company. Accident some mechanical failure?

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Is that what he said? Something
to do with the electrical system to

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use his own words. But if
the cabin boy was the only survivor of

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the explosion and he didn't talk to
any except this doctor Hernandez, I'm going

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to see right then, how could
zanake and know what made his yacht earn

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and sync. I hope you'll be
with us then. In the meantime,

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do send your comments to Box thirteen
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Adam Grahamson and all