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No podcast. Ty, Welcome back
to the Hardware Knox podcast. I was

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looking at the last time we talked, because it feels like it was sort

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of recently, and it was three
months ago actually, so that simultaneously took

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forever but felt like it went by
really quickly, because I don't know what

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time is anymore. So, how
have you been doing over the past ninety

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days, for the past eighty five, the eighty five right after that,

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or however many maybe eighty I was
just okay, too bad, and then

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the last ten or so I've been
really really good. Actually. Also,

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that being three months ago just proves
that twenty twenty time is broken. I

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don't know if it feels like longer
or shorter than it actually was. I

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just know it doesn't compute. But
I'm doing really well right now, Dan,

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thanks for having me back on.
I'm wondering what happened within the past

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few days that made your life that
much better? Was it, you know,

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the big news about I don't even
know what the I can't even come

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up with like a footnote news like
was it just knowing that Bobby Portis is

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backup center for the Bucks. He
just when they wave Nicks doscis That really

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comforted me a lot. I was
worried that he would take up too much

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of the cap. No, I
think I think Giannis resigning is probably the

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big one, shouts to Sauce Castidio, though. So I don't want to

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force you to labor the point because
I listened to the you you basically had

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two emergency episodes on it, but
I listened to the first one, and

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so you reacted to the Janna signing. Was that the end result you expected?

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Because the prevailing sentiment seemed like,
oh, they gave up eight trillion

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picks for Drew Holiday, like Yannis
is coming back, but it took the

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honest a little while to say that
he was coming back. And I know

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he was on vacation and away from
the team and stuff, but it did

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feel like there was the sense of
and just from the piece that was published

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at ESPN, I forget who wrote
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Malika Andrews and Winhurst if I'm not
mistaken, it seemed like there was like

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some unease there where it was they
made that trade without knowing he was coming

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back, which, you know,
I'll give my thoughts on the price that

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they paid for Drew later. I
actually kind of respect the fact if they

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did that and didn't know Jannie was
coming back, because that's like the ultimate

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gamble. So I'm just curious as
to one. Are you surprised, like

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at that point so kind of close, I guess put an air quotes to

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the deadline. Were you surprised it
happened or was that just the expectation after

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you saw what they paid to get
Drew holiday. I was surprised. I

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was surprised it happened, I think, and I know we'll get into the

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very complicated offseason that they ended up
having, which personally, I still think

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a net gain for them this offseason. I think they're better. But again

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we'll get to the some of the
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bit. But I was definitely surprised, and I think I realized this looking

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back the other day, is if
you go back to entering the Bubble,

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there was so many points where you
go, if X happens, Jannis is

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for sure staying, right Like if
they win the Bubble title, he's staying.

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Or even if they go to the
finals and have a good series,

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he's staying. Or maybe even a
good Eastern Conference Finals, but I feel

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like they should win the East,
but at least like a seven game series.

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They lose in the close series,
he's staying. They're losing the second

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round and horrible, hilarious, embarrassing
fashion to the Heat who just really trounced

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them. And then you go,
okay, well if they hit a home

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run and bring in and I don't. They didn't. They didn't have any

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assets quote unquote, of course,
they everything they did have they basically shipped

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out. But you know, the
news breaks that they get Drew and Bogdan

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Bogdanovitch, who is apparently like Janie's
blood blood, blood brother and best friend.

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Voting the reporting, I think I
think all things bogged and have been

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a little over exaggerated. Yeah,
we did not hear about anything along those

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lines, like before the fact,
I don't think they had an Instagram live

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together, and everyone was like,
oh, okay, they're friends. That's

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they're they're friends in the league.
That's cool. And then it's like like

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it's being reported by like everyone is
like, if he doesn't get bogged,

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and he might just quit basketball.
He loves this guy so much. But

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obviously whatever happens happens there. They
end up with Drew and not bogged,

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and the honest is again, you
know, soulmate or whatever, and so

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it's like, okay, so then
you know the thing they needed to do

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again they didn't do. So then
like the last ditch thing was like maybe

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they get into camp and they all
click really well, and Drew proves himself

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and they run through preseason and be
honest, is so energized he signs and

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like when he signed, they were
oh two, and they had two like

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pretty embarrassing losses to the Mavericks,
and Drew didn't play well, especially in

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the first game. Again, it's
like, it's not nothing long term concerning,

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but it wasn't like this shot in
the arm that's gonna can even somebody

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to sign. Like it's not like
they didn't like beat Dallas like one twenty

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to eighty with Drew putting up thirty
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Like they played okay and they lost
in Dallas. Is a bad matchup for

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them, but whatever. So that's
the context, right, Like every time

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you thought you needed something to happen, it didn't leading up to this,

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so it's like, Okay, he's
probably not signing at this point, like

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you gotta prove it this season.
There's going to be so much pressure,

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there's going to be so much media
attention, and then like a random Tuesday,

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he just signs the freaking thing,
which I don't think many people saw

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it coming. The Bucks have been
quietly confident all along, but who knows

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how much of that is just like, well, what the hell else are

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you going to say? I would
love to rewind a week and see how

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actually confident that they were he was
going to resign. I think it had

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gotten a lot quieter. I feel
like we were getting pretty pretty confid,

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pretty consistent reports like we're quietly confident, we think we'll think we'll get him,

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we have some moves coming, whatever. I feel like we hadn't heard

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a lot recently. I do know
that there was sort like there was some

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reporting of like there's going to be
a meeting after this game or on this

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day or whatever with Bucks owners and
yannest So maybe that was the only hold

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up. I truly think he was
thinking about it, especially as answers in

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the last press are the only pressor
he did before signing it. But it's

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certainly a surprise. It really goes
to show like how lucky the Bucks got

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that Janie is their superstar, because
I don't know how many guys, with

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the tumultuous road leading up to this
would have inked it, but Yannis did,

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and that's all that matters. Yeah, And I mean, he was

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clearly looking for reasons to stay like
that was just apparent all along, which

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definitely helped them. I am a
little bit surprised that he signed it,

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but I definitely think that regardless of
whether he told them in the first day

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of the offseason that he was going
to resign, I fully believe knowing the

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competitor he was, and I mentioned
this to do in the last podcast.

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I was hoping he would do it
for the entire year, not to resign,

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just to like fuck with the future
of other teams. He definitely did

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that a little bit this offseason,
and I tweeted about that and people are

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like, well, collide it at
first when he kept the Lakers on the

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hook, and I was like,
Okay, Jannie had like a quarter of

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the league basically on the hook this
summer. You look at what the MAVs

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did, you look at what the
Raptors did, what the Heat did.

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So I hope and I'm just gonna
assume that he did he waited on purpose.

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Yeah, he was probably valuating his
options, but he was like,

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oh, I'm gonna help get Bam
paid in Miami. Because the whole thing

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was they share an agent, so
show Yannis that you're gonna take care of

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of your own. I'm choosing to
believe that that was actually what happened.

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The Drew stuff I find interesting before
getting into and I do agree with you.

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I think they are a net plus
overall on the off season, even

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though it was definitely a rickety offseason. The storyline now is they need to

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resign Drew. Right, you gave
away like that much future equity and yes,

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you still have Yannis. But if
you don't resign Drew now you're a

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net negative from where you were before. And yeah, you honest is under

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contract, so you're still fine unless
you requests out. But I'm not even

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gonna get into like the nature of
that. That becomes a whole huge issue

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if a year from now or two
years from now, something like that happens,

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like that'll need to be addressed.
We can't have these James Harden Paul

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George situations and then I'll force my
way out like very soon. I don't

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think that's what's gonna happen, But
I do think like the move they make

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for Drew, is that a price
you pay? I think it's a price

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you pay if you don't know about
Yannis because he's worth that. Is it

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a price you pay if you're unsure
what Drew Holiday is going to do in

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the upcoming off season? I think
no. I think the Bucks feel very

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strong and this is not sourced,
this is just reading tea leaves, but

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I think they I think there's going
to be a deal done so I know

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it wasn't structured as an extending trade
because I feel like there's some more limits

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on those deals. And I know
now they have to wait a little while

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before they can do it because of
the weird trade slash extension rules. But

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they can still extend him this year, they just need to. I think

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it's like February ish, they can
sign him into a different extension outside of

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the extended trade rules. I think
that's definitely coming. There's like I mean,

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obviously, look at what the Bucks
gave up, right, and of

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course there's a little bit of also
the cost, like part of the cost

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is like again the honest thing.
Right, it's like the Paul George thing.

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Everyone's gonna crowned the Clippers forever.
And sure it's fun, they're the

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Clippers, but like they wouldn't have
traded that in a vacuum just to get

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Paul George. You do that to
get Paul George and to get Kawhi to

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come. So yeah, the best
way I heard that phrase, and I

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think I've said this ad nausey.
On the podcast, someone said Sam Presty

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found a way to trade Kawhi Leonard
without ever having Kawhi Leonard basically yeah,

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like that that it was like the
I can't say it better, that's perfect.

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So I think that was the same
thing, right, Like John Horst

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found a way to trade for Yannest
resigning in a way, maybe he still

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does even if they don't get Drew. But at that point, like if

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you're running back Eric Bledsoe, I
think maybe maybe his calculus changes a little

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bit on just how loyal he is. We just knew that wasn't gonna work,

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so but I think that's part of
it. But I do think,

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like obviously the Bucks do value Drew. I mean, he was the central,

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the integral upgrade that they got to
make the honest resigning happen. He's

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their best player they've acquired in a
really long time if you look at like

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where Chris and Jannis were at when
the Bucks actually got them, very long

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time since they've gotten a player this
good, like from the gate, they

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don't have to develop or anything.
And Drew seems to really like Milwaukee.

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I mean, he's been gushing about
coming to the Bucks. He seems super

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excited. I just think a deal
makes too much sense to not happen,

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And I think there's probably a little
bit of you know, nod wink,

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like we'll get to this when we
can get to this after the extension window.

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And so I agree with you it
would be disastrous if they let him

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go. I just don't think they're
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needs to be determined is like what
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is like super a lot of money. And I mean again it's Drew Holiday,

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You're going to be in the tax
anyway. Whatever. If they have

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to do it, they have to
do it. But I think they're going

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to work out some sort of a
deal to keep this core for as I've

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been calling it of Drew, Chris, Janna's Brook together for at least I

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mean, their shortest contract there now
it's probably Brookes or at least the next

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and conditions apply. I agree with
everything you just said. I would echo

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all of that. That's just there
had to be some level of knownness to

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the deal, whether it was you
knew that this was gonna get you honest

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to stay, but you had no
idea on Drew or the other way around,

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or both. Maybe they just like
knew that it was gonna be both

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the Are you looking at how it's
gonna play out? Are you comfortable with

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the price that they paid. I
go back and forth on this because the

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future equity is a lot, but
you have Jannis. You gave up a

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lot. But like Blood, those
deals a net negative at this point because

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we're talking three postseason's worth of samples
of him just cratering in what it matters

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most. At the same time,
I do feel like with these deals,

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not that it can shift the entire
tenor of it, but you want to

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try and get like the small wins
wherever you can, and there would have

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been a way to structure it.
I guess if they weren't planning on doing

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the Bogdanovitch deal in tandem, where
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I don't think that's a deal breaker
for New Orleans given all the pick equity

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that they got and maybe them not
knowing what was going to happen with Yannis.

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And if it was a deal breaker, I mean, I guess the

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bucks you can't walk away from that. Like that's where it gets uncomfortable for

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me, because they're just so shallow. As you said, though you view

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them as a net plus. I
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but I assume they're going to overlap, so I just want to throw

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it to you. Why do you
think they're so decidedly a net plus compared

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to where they were before this trade. I think the simple answer is Drew

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Holiday, right, Like, I
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that level, and I think a
lot of people there's not really a consensus

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on how good he is right now, and I get it. I really

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do. Look back to that series
against the Blazers where I think he was

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like twenty eight and eight, I
want to say, in the four game

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sweep and like just an absolutely dominant
pairing with a generational big man. And

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hey, the Bucks have one of
those. I mean they're different players but

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a lot of similarities, and they
honest can do a lot of this stuff

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a d does inside and around the
basket. I think ad more of a

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polish back to the basket big guy
with a better jumper. But and be

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honest, is working on it,
be honest, is always working on it.

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It's whatever, but be honest.
You know, can be a hell

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of a roller to the rim too. I mean, his pick and roll

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numbers are always amazing. So I
think, like getting a player who can

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elevate to that kind of level in
the playoffs, next to be honest and

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importantly next to Chris too. I
don't know how many upgrades are out there

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that Chris is not going to be
in a deal, right, Like the

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James Harden stuff, which it was
always laughable to think James Harden was going

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to be a buck, James Harden
is never going to be a buck?

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Could we just the I'm sorry to
Trump, but there are two things that

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are hysterical about that is one,
he added them to his list. And

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I know players don't always think in
these terms because it's not their job too.

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Not I don't think they're stupid,
I just it's not their job.

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But the books literally just traded everything
in their their asset chest and he names

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them. And also he said Jannie
was only good at basketball because he's tall.

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Basically like that, I'm so confused. Jannie and Harden legit hate each

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other and it's awesome. Like Jannie
does not have that relationship with any other

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good player. He hates some random
like scrubs for like international play stuff,

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but he does not hate any other
superstar like he hates James Harden. Yeah,

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I just I mean he threw the
ball in his face clearly, so

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I'm just like, was I'm wondering
if Harden was trolling? Was it a

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typo? Like did his agent plug
it in the phone? Is you know

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he met Minnesota, but it's a
Milwaukee's or my like he meant to put

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Miami twice, Like, I don't
why was Milwaukee in there? I just

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found that a circle. Well,
please carry on start. I think it's

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the same like a d If you
remember Ad put the Bucks on his list

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too. I think the Bucks have
now become like the It's like kind of

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the anti Knicks. When you put
them on a list, It's like,

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our guy really wants to win and
loves like winning teams and cultures. So

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throw the Bucks on there, even
though we all know they have no way

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of making this deal happen and the
guy is not staying at all. Right,

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But but yeah, that's like there
was an idea out there for like

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three days, like the Bucks should
have not traded for Dukes and they could

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have traded for Harden. And I'm
like, you have never seen an NBA

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transaction unfold. Apparently that was never
gonna happen. Yeah, even if they

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like replaced Bledsoe with Middleton and gave
up the exact same stuff. My guests

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would still just be like Houston,
like would have had better offers and they

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would have waited. I'm assuming on
Ben Simmons anyway, Yeah, exactly exact,

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and Ben Simmons trumps whatever the Bucks
are gonna do save you, honest,

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and that's obviously not happening. So
the way to maybe drive your honest

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out of town too have been funny. They think they're requiring the finishing touch

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and Jannie is like, yeah,
I'm not signed as Supermax, you know

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what, just trade now. Actually
I was never gonna do this, but

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I won't. I won't do this, But I think Drew raises their ceiling

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so much just having like an elite
third player like that now, where like

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Brook Lopez is now clearly your fourth
player. Where really in last season,

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like during the run, he was
their third best player, no question,

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Like he had to be number three
and he was really really good in the

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bubble, So it worked out sort
of, I mean it didn't really work

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out, but it kind of worked
out. But I just think like having

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a guy like Drew can break down
defense is a little bit dish a little

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bit. I know, he's not
like Chris Paul or anything, but still

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can create his own offense, and
that's that's something they just needed desperately.

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He's not the pull up shooter everybody
wanted. I think you just have to

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compromise. Like if you're if you
have a chance to acquire a guy like

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this and there's not another guy like
this who fits better, I think you

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have to go for the worst fit, which ironically is kind of the same

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idea with Bloodso I just think luckily
Drew is a lot better. And like

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the cost of the picks, So
I hate saying this reported as like the

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ad Halk because that's just like hilarious
because the ad Haul the centerpiece was the

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fourth pick in a draft. This
one was not the centerpiece, but like

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the only current pick was a twenty
four pick, so a little bit of

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a difference there. It is two
unprotected first and two swaps, so considering

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the bucksaw of be honest for I
think all of those years except one,

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you would assume the swaps probably don't
happen. So they give up two bad

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picks. Hopefully a lot could go
wrong. But if I have to give

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up, like let's say one bad
pick and one okay pick and even one

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swap to get Drew Chris and Janie
and Broklopez for the next however many years,

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like ten times out of ten.
I just don't care about twenty twenty

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seven. I don't care about whatever
eleven year old currently is going to be

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picked that year with the Bucks pick. I just don't I'm sorry, I

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don't care about it. I would
do it every time. They had no

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assets except those assets they literally emptied
out the cupboard, and I just think

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it's one of those where New Orleans
probably had them kind of you know,

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in a bad spot leverage wise.
I know other teams wanted Drew, so

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I think the Bucks made sure they
got the deal done, because if you

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don't get that deal done, then
all of a sudden you're in a real

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dark place where it's like DeMar Derozen. I guess there wasn't a lot of

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great options out there, and if
the if the options are overpaid for Drew

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or have to you know, get
into the DeMar Derozen sweepstakes. I think

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I'll go with the overpaid for Drew. Yeah, and I'm pretty much with

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you in lockstep the entire way.
I think what there might be a discrepancy

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on is how much better Drew is
than Bledsoe And you could probably compare them

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defensively. But even then, Drew
Holiday just gives you more optionality when looking

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at who he could like Eric buttso
can't defend wings, like maybe you could

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put them on ones and twos.
Fine, Drew can guard threes and no,

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he can't guard every three, which
is probably a like a problem with

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this roster that they need to look
at at some point. So I'm just

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one. I'm tripping up because Rudy
Gobert just signed a two hundred five million

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dollar extension with the Jazz, which
is an awful lot of money Supermax.

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No, it's not quite there,
but it's it's very close. So it's

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more than I was expecting him to
get. Good for players getting their money,

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but that is h That is quite
the decision by the Jazz. They

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absolutely did not have to. It's
my thing. He's not like replaceable,

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but I would have I would have
chanced it into free agency if that If

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two hundred million dollars was the price, generational defender, there are a lot

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of jazz people listen to this podcast. Good for Rudy Gobert, that's all

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I could say. It'll be interesting
to see how that deal ages. But

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so Withdrew, so there's the defensive
stuff, and then the other thing for

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me is he's just not he had
like looking at the Bubble specifically, like,

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yeah, he had some rough moments
in there, but he's just eminently

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better on offense in the postseason.
He's a slightly better shooter or a lot

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better shooter off the catch. He's
gonna probably hit more pull up triples than

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that he I would say Bloodsoe probably
has like more burst than him at this

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point. But like, you don't
need Drew necessarily create from scratch a Ton,

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you just actually need him to be
a better outlet for Chris Middleton and

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Yannie I would say, so,
I think it's it's an upgrade there.

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And look, that's where the Bucks
have stalled out, Like they were incredible

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during the regular season, but they've
have stalled out the past two playoffs.

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I feel like they have been wake
up calls. And so now you have

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a guy where no, I don't
know, like I feel like he's I

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don't want to say he's solvable like
Bledso he's definitely not solvable to that extent,

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and so it is really an appreciable
upgrade. I just going from Bledsoe

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to Drew and for me to even
say, you know, was it worth

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it to give up Hill as well
as the picks if you're looking at just

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the players, because as you're saying, you don't care who the Bucks were

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going to draft in twenty twenty seven
right now, like this is about Janie

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and I fully agree with you Hill
and Bledsoe, Like that's not amounting to

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Drew for me either. Hill shooting
is just absurd, but he's sort of

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like before last season kind of struggled
to put together some consistency anyway when you

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look at you know, he was
like hot and cold with the Jazz,

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he was his time with the Calves, I don't even he was like playing

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for all these other Kings was like
such a mess too. So they definitely

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paid a premium. But I think
Drew makes them a lot better, at

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least in the playoffs. Maybe not
in the regular season because they're so shallow

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now, but I would say in
the playoffs they're just a much more dangerous

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team with him. Yeah, And
that was really the whole goal, right,

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I Mean, that's all I mean, that's how often I Bucks fans

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and probably everyone been like nobody cares
what the Bucks do in the regular season,

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Like nobody cares if they're going to
run off sixties sixty five wins in

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an eighty two game pace, like
like no one's gonna respect them for that

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anymore. Like it's just not impressive
to people, right, I mean some

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people, sure, it's nice,
but like everybody's saying the same thing,

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we need to see it in the
playoffs. And now finally they seem like

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that that's the organization's impetus too,
is to prove it in the playoffs.

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And the one last thing I'll say
on Bledsoe, which I mean, first,

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good guy, good player in the
regular season, like shot say Eric

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bledso But like I've said, and
I'm not the only one who watches the

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Bucks closely, Like if the Bucks
had gotten regular season like the best of

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regular season Eric Bledsoe in the playoffs
consistently, they have one championship, probably

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over the last two years. Like
he was so so bad against Toronto,

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a series that was a lot closer
than people remember, very nearly a three

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zero Bucks lead. And I don't
even think the Bucks could blow that one

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against them, and like again like
a closer series than people remember looking back,

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Like all of those games pretty much
were close down to the wire,

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very good Bledsoe. I think that
overwhelms Toronto and even getting out coach the

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Bucks would just be too good.
And that's they're gonna need to be able

406
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:29,160
to be out coached and just be
too good. That's still something they're gonna

407
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,359
need to do. But like Drew
is better than very good regular season Eric

408
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,559
Bledsoe, and there's no evidence to
suggest he won't be that guy in the

409
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:40,640
playoffs. We have the opposite evidence. So yeah, I just think it's

410
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,400
like it's really hard to measure if
you're like not up close to the Bucks

411
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,359
and you're just like Drew holiday Eric
Bledsoe, kind of a horse apiece.

412
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And I see people saying that,
I get the logic, but it's like

413
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,319
up close and personal seeing Bledsoe in
the playoffs from far away seeing Drew in

414
00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:59,319
the playoffs, I don't think there's
even a comparison. It's like night and

415
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day for effectiveness as a player.
So yeah, I just think being able

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experts. And the other thing,
too, is like looking at some of

428
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Drew's I don't want to call them
struggles or maybe limitations, and New Orleans

429
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,960
just overstrained as someone who spend a
lot of time on offense as the number

430
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,160
one option, probably less so than
normal last year, like even in a

431
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,000
non Davis year, just because Davis
isn't going to initiate the offense, Like

432
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,440
I don't even want to say Alonzo, like an Ingram so just being in

433
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,279
Milwaukee where you have Chris Middleton and
Janniss at the Kompo and even thought Deven

434
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,640
Genzo like that just helps out a
great deal. So I would expect him

435
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,960
to be you know, maybe his
offensive numbers drop, but I would expect

436
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,039
him to be more efficient, especially
amid the buck spacing, and just have

437
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,079
more energy to expend on defense because
he kind of slipped off the ball last

438
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,640
year according to Pelicans Twitter, I
thought he was still just as like really

439
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,039
good on the ball watching him,
but I probably don't watch enough Pelicans to

440
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,880
say that with definitive definitiveness, so
that has to help him too. My

441
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,079
next question for you, though,
is still in that plus off season,

442
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,119
what is your impression of how they
rebounded from the Bogdanovich snafu? Like,

443
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,759
I don't even know what we call
this. Uh, someone got a little

444
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,200
bit too giddy and decided that,
you know, this needed to be broken

445
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,400
before it was legal to do so. And more than that, like to

446
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,160
be more specific, who do you
think were like the best new additions or

447
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,559
the most important new additions of their
you know, their rebound group, you

448
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:12,440
know, looking at Craig Fords Augustin, Porters, etc. First, the

449
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,079
bogging thing, I've now there's been
some reporting from national outlets that like he

450
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,240
didn't want to be the fourth guy
behind Drew, Chris and the Honest,

451
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,960
Like he wanted to be him Chris
and the Honest. Which if that's the

452
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,640
case, like you know, use
some of that Atlanta money to reevaluate,

453
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:32,160
like you're standing in the league Bogden
like again, fine player, like thirteen

454
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,559
points per game, Like relax,
buddy, relax a little bit. But

455
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,319
how they did on the rebound,
I think DJ Augustin is critical, and

456
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,799
I think that's one they probably we're
going to get either way. Considering he

457
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:45,519
took like a small portion of the
mL, I think they would have been

458
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,839
able to use roughly the same portion
even if they got Boggden. So,

459
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,599
like, I thought that was a
really good addition for them. I was,

460
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,640
Honestly, it was funny because a
lot of people were like, before

461
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,359
it got reported that the third year
is like barely guaranteed, like one hundred

462
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,279
k or something very small. A
lot of people like that seems like a

463
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,680
big overpain. I was like,
really, I feel like full mL for

464
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,960
a guy who's been until last season, like a legitimately fine starter who can

465
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,759
like really is a very good shooter, especially in the playoffs. He's been

466
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,640
like forty percent the last two years, I think, which is again another

467
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,559
one of those things the Bucks just
really need, and he can lead an

468
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,240
offense from the bench. Like,
I thought that was a really nice pick

469
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,039
up for them. Again, it's
like it's not a name that excites anybody.

470
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,119
It's not literally bogged In Bagdanovich.
But DJ Augustine is like a really

471
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,759
nice sick man I think for the
Bucks. And I think, honestly,

472
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,279
even if George Hill is a better
off the cat shooter on very low volume,

473
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,480
that's the one thing with George Hill, Like he didn't take a lot

474
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,839
of threes last year when he did
lead the league. But like, I

475
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:42,079
think Augustine will be a little bit
better at creating offense for others and that's

476
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:48,640
something they really really need, especially
with the kind of ragtag group of other

477
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,119
relief players they have. But I
think a lot of people are gonna laugh

478
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,039
at me. I'm super excited about
Bobby Portis, Like, I think this

479
00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:02,039
is a great opportunity for Bobby.
I don't expect Bobby Porters to play great

480
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,400
defense. I actually think if they
have him played like simplified drop as a

481
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,160
pure center, it might help him
a little bit, just because I mean

482
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,359
it's not easy, Like k Lopez's
job is super hard, but like they're

483
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,400
not going to have him play four, They're not going to have him chase

484
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,359
permitive players that much. I think, like just stay around the basket and

485
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,039
getting the way a big fella and
don't fall out. But his offense already,

486
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,359
it's just been super fun to watch, and it's one of those where

487
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,720
when Bud, when Bud does go
to those all bench lineups, like it's

488
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:27,720
kind of nice to just be able
to know, like what DJ Augustine and

489
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,759
Bobby Porters out there, you got
some offense, Like you're always going to

490
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,240
be able to create some sort of
offense. I mean Bobby doesn't even have

491
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,319
to be open to take a damn
shot like Bobby Porters like shooting, and

492
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,759
I like that about Bobby porteris like
they needed that on their bench like last

493
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,720
year, like George Hill, Pat
Connadan, you know, all these guys

494
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,279
like they're sort of fine wing players, but they're not really like they're not

495
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,000
going to create their own shots a
lot or at least not very well,

496
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,519
so it's kind of nice to have
somebody who can do that. And the

497
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,480
rest of the new Wings are basically
just like we'll see. I mean,

498
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,279
like Forbes, if he can hit
forty percent his threes, he'll be really

499
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,599
good. We'll see if he can
do it. Tory Craig is interesting,

500
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,160
and I think I think I'm cannibalizing
your next question and we can just go

501
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,279
right into it. But like Tory
Craig, I think a lot of people

502
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,759
are enamored with I'm not sold yet. I think he's gonna have to become

503
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,160
a little bit more of a shooter
to have that much utility. But apparently

504
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,000
he's like a really useful multi position
will defender. And it's nice at least

505
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,079
that they have guys who are like
really good at one specialized thing, as

506
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:30,559
opposed to Pat Contidon, who's just
kind of like some Knights, does some

507
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,839
things well and other nights they're just
like, please never play Pat again.

508
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,480
So a few thoughts there. I
think the thing with Augustin is he's thirty

509
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,920
three and is pull up three decline
a lot last year. I would expect

510
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,680
them to shoot better off the catch, because again, his job is now

511
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,440
a lot easier. I think what
my issue with that deal was, why

512
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,839
couldn't they guarantee more in the third
year to maybe get a lower price now,

513
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,119
which would have then left them with
more money to use in free agency.

514
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,720
That seemed a little weird to me. I also just don't i'd I'd

515
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,000
be curious to just see how he
holds up in the playoffs. He's just

516
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,480
so small, and that's question for
me. The addition that I like the

517
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:10,400
most and your spot on about Craig, if he can have like a season

518
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,720
like Bruce Brown did last year where
he shot really well in the corners,

519
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,640
that would make him more playable.
But his shooting is just so off that

520
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,960
it makes it tough to keep him
on the floor. And if you're gonna

521
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,160
have Jannis on the court, like
you're kind of already down like one shooter,

522
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,759
Like, yeah, he'll take them, but is he gonna hit them

523
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,400
in a league average clip. I
like the Forbes signing the best because I

524
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,039
think they're probably they are better built
to cover up for him defensively than the

525
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,240
Spurs were. Last year. He
shot thirty nine point five percent on catching

526
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,480
shoot threes, thirty nine point six
on pull up threes. And so when

527
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,519
you see like the pull up percentage
match to me the catching shoot percentage or

528
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,359
even rise above it like it did
hear slightly, I kind of automatically think,

529
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,559
like, well, that that is
gonna be really good in a situation

530
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,400
that generates better spacing and higher quality
looks for him. And so that was

531
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,440
actually my favorite signing for them,
and I think he's going to be more

532
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:01,279
valuable to them insofar as you know, it actually plays him. I think

533
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:07,480
he can be more valuable to them
than DJ Augustine. Bobby Portis I've seen

534
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,240
too. You're you're not gonna sell
me on Bobby Porters. I get the

535
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,680
idea of, hey, he can
shoot threes, and I'm assuming he'll hit

536
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,559
them at a fine clip in Milwaukee, but like his vision for the hoop

537
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,279
is like too tunnel for me,
Like where if he's gonna put the ball

538
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,640
on the deck, if he's gonna
try and do these weird post ups,

539
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,000
maybe that won't happen in Milwaukee.
And he cost like he was cheap enough

540
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,440
where it's not like this huge deal. But I'm also like kind of sitting

541
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,799
there wondering, like why did Bobby
Portis get the bi annual with a player

542
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,400
option after the season he just had. I just don't see it. So

543
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,319
they've just saved player options, man, that's the answer. There's the second

544
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:46,440
part. The Buck's love player options, so I don't have I think relative

545
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,240
to what they were working with,
they did fine the Augustine deal. I

546
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,079
think they could have structured better to
give themselves more options on the free agency

547
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,480
market. But as you said,
sort of two. My next questions like,

548
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,039
how is this secondary wing rotations shaking
out now? Because it wasn't really

549
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,799
great to begin with. And I
said this to you in the email.

550
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,359
I look at their secondary wing rotation
and Pat Connaton is alarmingly important to this

551
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:14,599
team. So Bucks Twitter is currently
like revolting. They're they're rioting about Pat

552
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,960
Cottonton. They already want the second
round picks to play more than Pat Cotton,

553
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,480
which no way that happens until like
mid season. And the only way

554
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
it does happen then is if Pat
continues to play really poorly, which I

555
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,480
don't think you will. And those
guys play really, really, really really

556
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,799
well, which Sam Merrill sixtieth overall
pick. I mean, the guy is

557
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:35,359
a freaking Flamethrowy shot like fifty five
percent from three in preseason. He might

558
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,200
actually get some minutes. Wara.
I think he's going to be a little

559
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,559
bit slower to come along, but
we'll see. Merrill already played more as

560
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:45,240
of the third preseason game, the
third and final one. But as for

561
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:50,160
the backup where the reserve wing rotation, I think one positive sign for Forbes

562
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,960
is they're already starting to kind of
run the Corver plays that they would always

563
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,960
do for Corver, like they're really
they're looking for him, like they're having

564
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,640
him run through elevator doors kind of
they're having him like they're setting a lot

565
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,160
off ball screens for him. So
I think already we're kind of seeing some

566
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,920
evidence that like Bud is I mean, but it's always been a fan of

567
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,719
guys like that, I mean Corver
However, many however, I don't know

568
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,880
how many times, but it's called
for a Corver pin down in his life.

569
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,440
But it's a lot, and I
think Forbes is going to start to

570
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,599
see it's gonna see those as well, which is good. I think the

571
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,679
same just quickly to go back the
same reason that you mentioned with Forbes,

572
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,000
like about they can cover for one
guy. That's my DJ Augustine optimism too,

573
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,840
right, Like if anyone's out there
with Drew Holiday, Chris Middleton,

574
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,760
Jannie and Brook Lopez, like you
can cover for one bad defender if he

575
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,719
injects some real spacing into that group, and that's spacing is going to be

576
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,039
super important. So that's why I
think taking a swing on two guys like

577
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,639
that, who are nobody's gonna look
at them and go they're an elite defender.

578
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,920
They're both pretty small and not great
there. If they can hit threes,

579
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,679
it'll it'll I think work out for
the bucks. But I think we're

580
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,920
gonna see some hot hand stuff like
Bud did two years ago. Honestly,

581
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:57,239
like whoever's on a role is gonna
play, and then it's gonna kind of

582
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,639
shift around after that, just based
on match chops and kind of it's gonna

583
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,960
feel a little random at times,
like there's gonna be games where Tory Craig

584
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,719
plays five minutes and everybody's Matt because
Pat played fifteen. And there's gonna be

585
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,320
times when you're gonna see you all
the other guys play more. I think

586
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,719
Forbes right now is doing good to
establish himself as more of a real role.

587
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,880
I think just getting those pin downs
showing that he's kind of being emphasized

588
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,039
more than the other guys. But
we'll see how it shakes out in the

589
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,559
actual season. I do think we're
gonna see a lot of pat early,

590
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:30,400
and that could go either way.
I think the contract is bad. I'm

591
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,239
not here to justify the contract.
I think he's like a fine reserve wing.

592
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,880
Like I don't think he's a bad
eighth or ninth guy. It'd be

593
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,559
great if he played more than that
considering the resources allocated to him. But

594
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,480
it really all depends. I think
I'm the jumper and how patient he can

595
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,639
be defensively. He is basically known
for any pump fake or not, just

596
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:52,920
like jumping behind guys. It's like
he just loves jumping, and I get

597
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,239
it, Like if I could jump
like that, I'd probably jump more too.

598
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,760
He's a really impressive jumper. But
he's just gotta like he has all

599
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,719
the tools to be like a pretty
good defensive wing, reserve wing. He

600
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,800
just needs to put it all together
more. Yeah, they need one or

601
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,679
him, and we'll get to Dante
DiVincenzo, Like one of those dudes needs

602
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,679
to shoot better. From three.
I'm gonna need like sort of sort of

603
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,119
a bat signal when Brent Forbes is
on a on a heater in Milwaukee now,

604
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,320
because I just assume that Bud wasn't
going to play him enough because they

605
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,280
signed DJ Augustine. But if they're
using him like that, I'm gonna need

606
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,239
you to like alert me to that
on Twitter can watch it. I don't

607
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,199
think he's gonna get a ton of
minutes, but I do think he's gonna

608
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,400
play like a decent amount every game, maybe like eighteen ish and yeah,

609
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,239
like in those eighteen minutes they're gonna
try and force feedom threes. I really

610
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,559
hope we see we haven't seen a
lot yet, but you Honest and playing

611
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:42,960
the third game like they would do
two man actions of The Honest and Korver

612
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:46,119
last year that like just broke defenses. Like it's really hard to like in

613
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,960
the moment, like do we double
the Honest and not let him roll?

614
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,559
Do we stick with Korver? Like
this is like terrifying because they're both like

615
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,400
the opposite threats. I hope we
see some more two man game with Forbes

616
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,519
and The Honest, But yeah,
I'll definitely I'll let Twitter know when we're

617
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:02,480
in the middle of Bryn Forbes heater. Oh maybe some Bryn Forbes Joanna's pick

618
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:07,760
and roll with Jannis screener. Yeah, I would, I would appreciate some

619
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,039
of that. I kind of had
the same question about the secondary big man

620
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,719
rotation, except there's fewer bodies to
party and so are they just penciling in

621
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,199
like Bobby Porters and DJ Wilson are
going to play a ton of minutes?

622
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,760
Or do you think the shallow well
of bodies at the four five spots means

623
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,960
well, maybe we'll see more Jannis
at the five since those lineups were so

624
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,440
effective last year, and then maybe
we see more of Chris Middleton playoff.

625
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,639
Are are we planning on Tanasis just
getting a bunch of minutes at this point

626
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Tanasis might play. Is that part
of this? Is that part of the

627
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Supermax agreement? I will say,
if you want to go deep down to

628
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,480
Bucks rabbit hole, I think on
Greek Heritage Night last year against Denver,

629
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:55,119
the Bucks started Jannis and Tanasis and
Tanasis against Denver. Tanasa's freaking clamped Yokich

630
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,159
for like six minutes to start the
game, and the Bucks go out to

631
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:00,480
a huge lead and they didn't play
him for the rest of the game and

632
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,920
the Bucks lost by a lot and
after the game, I was like,

633
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:08,519
semi seriously semi drunk tweeting like maybe
Tanasis should have played, Maybe we did

634
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:12,400
need more Tanasis. I don't think
he's as bad as people think. I

635
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800
think he's like a fine fourteenth and
fifteenth guy. But we might see some

636
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,800
real Tanasis minutes, especially before like
March or whenever they can add a fifteenth

637
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,639
guy under the hardcap with pro rated
minimums. So I do think we'll see

638
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:27,760
that, Like that's gonna I think
what they're gonna do really is wait and

639
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,599
see what part of the team is
the weakest and then try to address it

640
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:34,920
with that fifteenth spot, which they're
certainly going to use that when they can.

641
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,360
They just can't yet. But I
definitely think the plan right now is

642
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,239
more honest at the five and then
Bobby Porters also is the backup five.

643
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,440
So if you split the five minutes
between Brook Lopez whenever he's out there,

644
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,599
which is like thirty minutes a game, Bobby Portis, and then Jannis,

645
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,000
I think kind of depends on matchup
that gets you to certainly enough minutes at

646
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,159
the five, probably more than enough. So the four is the bigger question.

647
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,639
I think that's one of the biggest
questions on the team is who's gonna

648
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,920
play there. I think we're gonna
see some real like DJ Wilson opportunity and

649
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,239
I'm not opposed to it. He's
looked better in the preseason than he has

650
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,679
in the past. The jumper is
still a little bit of a liability,

651
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,119
but he's finally passing the ball,
which if you look at his assist for

652
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:16,199
at thirty six for his career,
it's like one maybe two. He backed

653
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:22,039
up four assists and twenty whiteside assist
right basically, yeah, like he pretty

654
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,000
much would get the ball and just
shoot it like imagine Bobby Portis, but

655
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:29,719
just very bad. And that was
the DJ Wilson experience. Now he's actually

656
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,079
like he's handling a little bit,
Like he's not an offensive hub, but

657
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:36,559
he's like he's a spoke right,
like he's connecting parts of the offense.

658
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,440
That opens up a lot for the
team and for him, and that all

659
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,199
of a sudden, if he's gonna
hit some threes and be able to like

660
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,920
actually move the ball and pass against
other fours, then you can see him

661
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,199
playing with Jannis a bit more,
especially if you can hit those corner three.

662
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,960
So I do think we're gonna see
DJ Wilson. I think there's gonna

663
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,920
be minutes for him, and they're
gonna just see what they have and see

664
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,360
what he can do. He's shown
he can be a good defender for sure.

665
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,639
It's all about the offensive end for
him. We'll probably see some Tanasis,

666
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:05,360
like if somebody's out, I think
we're gonna see Tanasas. That'll be

667
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,519
fun. I mean, nobody plays
harder than Tanasis and Teakopo at all times,

668
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,159
but that is the rotation. We
might see some Chris at the four.

669
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,920
I think they'll do that. I
don't think they love it, but

670
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,800
I think they're like fine with it. I do think we're going to see

671
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,440
a better defensive season from Chris this
year. He looks a lot spryer than

672
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:23,159
he has before, which is fun. He's like been getting a lot of

673
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,639
deflections, and I do wonder if
they want it gonna keep want to keep

674
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,199
him on smaller wings more, which
maybe, but I don't think he's like

675
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,719
too weak to hang with a like
Tobias Harris type players either. Yeah,

676
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,840
there's probably some fours would like end
up being problematic for him, but just

677
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,440
they're so sparse there that and like, how does DJ Wilson match up defensively

678
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,000
with fours, like, because fours
are now basically wings though in a lot

679
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:52,039
of situations, Like he's gonna be
fine against the Tobias Harris type. I

680
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:53,440
think he's gonna be okay. I
mean, I think Tobias is gonna get

681
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,000
some wins against him. I think
he's a little bit better at players like

682
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,239
that than he is against stronger players. Like he's still not like the biggest

683
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,239
guy. He's still more of a
I would say three four than four or

684
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,679
five for sure, Like and not
a great rebounder either, Like when they

685
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,559
played against the Pelicans, like Zion
was just rampaging, Like they played DJ

686
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:15,119
at center and it was like Zion
was just getting open layups, like he

687
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:17,199
was just way too strong. And
of course Zion's practically a one of one,

688
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,400
but like, yeah, he's like
a slab of marble exactly. Yeah,

689
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,760
there's nothing a lot of guys could
do. But like DJ played really

690
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,199
good defense against Blake Griffin two years
ago, Bucks fans still talk about it.

691
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,000
I think it was a little flukey, but I think players are around

692
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,239
his body type. He's gonna be
okay. Yet I think really fast guys

693
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:37,360
or really big guys are going to
be a problem. And knowing the Bucks

694
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
like, they'll match him up on
both across the regular season because Budd just

695
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,360
like doesn't seem to care. But
hopefully by the playoffs, they're not putting

696
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,119
him on like, you know,
a Paul George kind of player. I

697
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:51,400
don't think that would work very well, but you never know. I would

698
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,039
predict that that would end quite poorly
for them. If that is the situation

699
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:57,440
that they're facing playoff P, maybe
it would actually work out pretty well.

700
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,639
Who knows. Pandemic P playoff pe
was actually prett good. So I actually

701
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,559
looked up while you were talking.
I was surprised that I didn't realize they

702
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:08,280
played Middleton at the four for almost
eight hundred possessions, most of which came

703
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,719
alongside Brook Lopez at the five.
I would have just thought that he would

704
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,119
be the four with Jannis at the
five. In the time he was with

705
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:16,880
Yannis at the five and he was
the four or just with Brooke. The

706
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,039
Bucks absolutely destroyed opponents, and they
were a lot better on defense than I

707
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,000
thought, because my assumption would be
that Chris is struggling with like the bigger

708
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:28,599
type wings than he compared to like
the twos and the purer three. So

709
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,440
maybe that is something to watch for. And if he can give you minutes

710
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:36,480
is like the backup four, even
though you don't necessarily want to refer to

711
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,280
that that, I feel like that
makes me feel a lot better about their

712
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:43,039
rotation overall, because I know that
Jannis can soak up back up five minutes,

713
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960
even if people think they shouldn't do
that in the playoffs because he can

714
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,079
be overmatched I guess in certain defensive
instances, or it doesn't allow them to

715
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,639
cater I guess to how they want
to use him defensively sometimes. But if

716
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,239
Chris can play like some four for
them, I think that ends up being

717
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,199
sort of huge. But they might
actually just need him to defend more of

718
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,000
the super true wings, I'm guessing, because West is gone and they're just

719
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,280
gonna be wings that you don't want
Drew Holiday to go up against. Like

720
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,599
who's defending Kevin Durant on this team
right now? Has it? Drew's done

721
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:14,239
it? But like they tend to
want to put Janie on not the primary

722
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:20,000
options that he can literally just end
possessions like everywhere else. But like does

723
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:22,199
that fall to Chris? Did they
use Drew there or like you said,

724
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,679
you think it's gonna be honest.
I hope you're honest. I wouldn't say

725
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:28,320
I think it's gonna be honest.
I would love to see as one of

726
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,679
the I mean that that budd has
talked about being and I know it's like

727
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,360
broken record whatever, this happens every
year, but he's talked about trying more

728
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,400
things and like varying defenses more.
I would love to see as part of

729
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,360
that, letting the honest be more
of a stopper. And I think the

730
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,719
best chance for that, and like
the most likely outcome is like Yannis being

731
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,599
like, yo, I want to
do this, like I'm sick of playing

732
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:50,320
off ball, and he sounded a
little pissed off, and they asked him

733
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,119
sometimes about like why are you not
guarding guys and he's like, you know,

734
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,159
as the coach, like I'm just
doing what the coach says. So

735
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:58,519
hopefully he's you know, kind of
throwing that weight around a little bit,

736
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,320
like listen, like I want to
guard. It's like I can play defense

737
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:05,039
because I mean, like like if
you just look at defensive profiles, like

738
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,199
who would be a better Kevin Durant
defender than the honest as long as he

739
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,639
wasn't getting crazy foul trouble, Like
nobody else is really long enough I think

740
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:15,559
to bother him. Chris does okay, Like in the conference finals two years

741
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:20,440
ago against Toronto, Chris was actually
doing and Brogden too, but Chris was

742
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,880
doing pretty well against Kawhi, Like
what really killed them? If you go

743
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,280
back and watch it, like we
did this at euro Set. We watched

744
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,800
every game and potted one for each
game, as called it Binge the Bucks.

745
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:31,599
It was the worst experience ever.
I mean we did the whole playoffs.

746
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:35,719
The first nine games were great.
That series was tough, but like

747
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,800
Chris is like holding up, Kauai
is taking and making some tough shots but

748
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,880
not really enough to beat you.
And then the Bucks start like collapsing their

749
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,239
whole defense and like just not even
bothering to cover Fred van Vleep, He's

750
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,360
like shooting ninety percent from three at
the time, and it was brutal to

751
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,320
watch. But like, Chris is
a better defender now than I think people

752
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,480
think like he kind of swung both
ways, Like he came up as a

753
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:57,559
three and D guy and everybody thought
he was like Andre Roberson when he was

754
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,480
never really that good. He was
just very good and and he kind of

755
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,599
did fall off for a year or
two, and I think now people are

756
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,400
like, oh, he's basically Tobias
Harris on that end, like a fine

757
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,360
players just kind of there. They
seem to overrate his defense like earlier and

758
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,079
then underrated his offense where it's like, no, he's not three and D

759
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,960
because self creation is literally this huge
part of his game. That's why I

760
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,400
don't like to Klay Thompson comp said
always inevitably come up with Chris because I'm

761
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,400
like, he's such a different player
than Clay Thompson, Like he doesn't do

762
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,639
either of the things Klay Thompson does
as well as Klay Thompson, but pretty

763
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,519
much anything else, I'd give the
edge to Chris. It's hard to compare

764
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:32,000
them, but regardless, like,
yeah, Chris Kin guards some fours and

765
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,920
I think he will do that a
lot. But I do hope, at

766
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,880
least in the playoffs that we get
more of like Okay, like if it's

767
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:45,480
Brooklyn, like Drew is on Kyrie
and johannest is on KD and let's just

768
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:46,800
like, let's just make them beat
our best guys. That's the thing that

769
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,239
kills me about the Bucks, like
so many of their problems are these crazy

770
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,840
schemes and everything, when it's like
they have the players, just like,

771
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,199
make them beat your players and see
if anybody can. I don't know how

772
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,920
many teams could, but they have
elected to do more of the weirdo stuff

773
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,679
and it's often not worth. The
sort of next thing I wanted to hit

774
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,840
is the and we kind of touched
upon this already is the notion that like

775
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:15,159
people have made jokes, but the
shallow, the shallower rotation doesn't like almost

776
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:21,039
help them in the postseason because it
forces buonos Are to not watch Jannie's minutes,

777
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,480
like where he needs to play twenty
nine in you know, a make

778
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:27,280
or break game for them, Everything
is make or break for that So is

779
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,159
there actually something to that theory of
Okay, Again, the regular season might

780
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,639
be moretenuous, but in the postseason, the Bucks they're forced to be better

781
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:37,559
because buonos Are can't really mess with
the rotation as much. Or is that

782
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:42,760
just a license for him to be
like no, you know what, fucking

783
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,199
Cam Reynolds, come on down,
like you're getting postseason minutes like Cam unfortunately

784
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,000
wave now that it would be h
like Mamadi Diakite, you're in Tanasi's time,

785
00:46:54,039 --> 00:47:00,039
baby, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
put anything past. But I do

786
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:01,840
you think there might be some truth
to it, Like I don't think he's

787
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,719
gonna play ten guys if he doesn't
Legit trust guys eight through ten, Like

788
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,480
I really do think that's part of
their issues. Like I don't think he's

789
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,199
that dedicated, just like the art
of playing eleven guys. I just think

790
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,360
he felt like they're eleven guys were
too good not to play it. I

791
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,960
don't know if he'll feel that way
anymore. I think the interesting thing about

792
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,320
just the minutes thing, it's I
don't think Janice is a good bell Weather

793
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,800
because the honest gets like Legit exhausted. They need to play it more.

794
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,480
I think part of that he needs
to figure out how to conserve some damn

795
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:32,639
energy, which he just plays at
a thousand percent all the time, and

796
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:36,079
I think it makes it hard for
him to play a lot of minutes.

797
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,920
But you'd much rather have like thirty
thirty two minutes of try hard Yannis and

798
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,800
then another eight minutes of like Yannis
kind of coasting and resting on the court.

799
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,559
Like Lebron is the best of this, right, like a thousand year

800
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,360
old Lebron can play forty eight minutes
if he has to, because he'll play

801
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,800
really hard for twenty four and he'll
just like intimidate teams for the other twenty

802
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,679
four Like the honest needs to learn
how to do that. Chris is the

803
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,800
right bell Weather. Chris is the
one where look at his minuts and determined

804
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,199
if but is fucking up or not. So it's so I haven't sworn on

805
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,880
a pot in a while. That
was fun. But Chris can play as

806
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,039
much as ever, Like you don't
see that much of a difference, like

807
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:12,800
he got super exhausted by the end
of the Miami series. But in a

808
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,400
usual context, like Chris can play
forty plus minutes pretty easily, Like if

809
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,079
he's not getting forty minutes on this
team and the playoffs, I think that's

810
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:22,880
a problem like that or they're blowing
everybody out, yes, but yeah,

811
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,960
yeah, sure, I mean like
first round against whoever, then yeah,

812
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,800
whatever, if they're beating Atlanta by
one thousand points, sure, but in

813
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,880
a close series, Chris should be
at forty minutes because he's like his plus

814
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,400
minus for them has been super impactful. Like they usually when Chris and the

815
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,519
Honest, especially out there, they
just destroy teams and then they just don't

816
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:44,599
play him enough. So and with
Chris alone usually they can at least tread

817
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:47,000
water, like he's good enough for
that. So they need to play Chris

818
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:49,679
a lot. That's going to be
the big thing to look at, Like,

819
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,039
if Chris plays thirty five minutes and
a close loss, that's really bad,

820
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,679
I would agree. I wanted to
ask you about brook Lopez too,

821
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,159
Is he sort of I don't know, and maybe I said I phrase it

822
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,119
is under the radar swing piece,
but it's I feel like it's not to

823
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,159
under the radar. He's thirty two
coming off a monster defensive season, but

824
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,920
he didn't shoot the ball well from
three for most of the year. Was

825
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,079
a forty percent the closing kick of
the regular season almost twenty games, almost

826
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,599
at forty percent throughout the playoffs.
Still shot thirty one point six percent for

827
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:21,679
the year on wide open threes,
which was the worst mark among all players

828
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,599
who took at least one hundred and
fifty. This is my roundabout way of

829
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:28,079
saying, I feel like there's a
chance he could regress, and even if

830
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,400
his shooting is still as topsy turvy
as it was last year, like,

831
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,159
it kind of puts the Bucks in
a really awkward situation because they don't have

832
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,840
like all this front court depth now. And so, yeah, brook Lopez,

833
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,159
his defense is important. But if
his offense is like any like,

834
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,760
if it's just less at all,
like if he's just not shooting the ball,

835
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,599
well, it really does hamstring what
they're doing. And so was that

836
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:52,880
at all a concern or do you
view his closing kick is more representative of

837
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,360
his normal It's hard to say what's
more representative. I think the most important

838
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,880
thing with brook Lopez this year and
I think we know what we're getting in

839
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,360
defense, though I think he's going
to be that guy for at least a

840
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,760
couple more years because quickness is so
not a part of it. Although I

841
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,599
do think they should play him in
more traditional sets too, or he has

842
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,960
to be a little bit quicker like
I would like to see. There's a

843
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,559
lot there's like this notion out there
that brook can only play the drop.

844
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:15,559
I don't think that's true. Feel
free to correct me if I'm wrong.

845
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,679
I don't really have access to most
of the numbers, but I think he's

846
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,039
like been fine ish when he's on
the perimeter when he does end up out

847
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,960
there having a guard, So I
don't think he's gotten like just brutally killed.

848
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,239
But his stance is like so low
to the ground, so wide.

849
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,559
He's just And it's funny because like
defense was not his strong suit where he

850
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,000
was in Brooklyn, like Havin,
like he always got blocks for the most

851
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,039
part, but like it was sort
of just a running joke that he wasn't

852
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:44,079
that great a defense, and then
he goes like leaves Brooklyn and becomes like

853
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,199
he was almost was he all defensive
this year? I even remember was all

854
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,639
defense? Yeah, so he was
all defense, Like that's just absurd,

855
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,000
Yeah, it is. I think
him and Bled were both second team in

856
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,840
Jannis was first team if I remember
right, and the Bucks have been the

857
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,639
best defense last two years. But
yeah, Brooks still going to be bringing

858
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:00,880
on that end. I think the
other end, and I think what changed

859
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,360
for him, but it was basically
the bubble where he shot really well,

860
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,079
like he was used more in general, and I think his shot went with

861
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,559
that. I think that's important for
him. And I don't think he's really

862
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:14,920
talked about this or anything, but
like he was like just being used a

863
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,559
lot in the bubble obviously, especially
when your honest would go down. So

864
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:21,639
like he's scoring twenty points per game, maybe six of them are on threes,

865
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,239
fourteen of them are on like picking
rolls. He'll just drive against some

866
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,559
big guys, Like he has this
big looping hook shot kind of like Robin,

867
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,159
but not as it's not as much
art as Robin Lopez was or is

868
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:35,599
he still plays, but like he
can drive. He's a really good grifter.

869
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,599
I think this is an underrated brook
Lopez thing. Like if he feels

870
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:42,000
that arm, it's like what Harden
does, but a thousand times slower and

871
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,360
way funny. Like if you put
that arm in brook Lopez his bread box,

872
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,679
he's shooting two free throws. And
of course he can still post up.

873
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,840
I mean, like you mentioned as
Brooklyn days that was this whole thing

874
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,119
he could post up. He'll still
do that too, And like that's one

875
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,639
thing the Bucks need to just mash
guys more with him when they when teams

876
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:00,840
go small, like they started to
do it more in the bubble, and

877
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,119
I think kids shot bounce back as
well. But like if you put like

878
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,920
a six eight guy like pick your
you know, stretch like Mo Harkless.

879
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,880
If Mo Harkless is on Brook Lopez, that's two points for the bucks,

880
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Like you can't unless you double.
Like Brook is just way too good in

881
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,320
the post, way too big for
a guy like that, and teams will

882
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,159
end up with guys like that on
him, like because a lot of times

883
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,639
senters will Guardianis or they'll go small
whatever you're doing, like they need to

884
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:24,880
take advantage of that. But I
think one you can always get offense from

885
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,320
Brooke and mid ranging closer, and
I think that's something they should just do

886
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,840
more, just to get more out
of him. And I really do think

887
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,920
like being used like that more,
just seeing some go in. I think

888
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,719
that helps his jumper and his three
point shot too. So I just think

889
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,760
they need to make him more of
a focal point. Now maybe that's a

890
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,519
little harder now that you also have
Drew Holiday as a mouth to feed,

891
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:47,719
but I think just based on the
huge drop off probably between the first four

892
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,159
and the rest of your guys,
means they should be able to get him

893
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,119
a lot of touches. I think
that'll help that number bounce up. I

894
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:57,440
don't think he needs to be like
thirty nine percent, but if you can

895
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,320
get back to thirty five, especially
on some of those deep ones, it

896
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,280
just opens up so much for the
offense. And there is something to the

897
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,480
effect of taking the shots at all, like because he's so deep, like

898
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,559
that changes the geometry of the court
and defense for Yannis to attack, and

899
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:15,280
so there's definitely value there. Speaking
of Yannis, since we actually really haven't

900
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,880
talked about Yannis's game aside from him
playing the five maybe more of this season,

901
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,320
is the biggest thing for this team
still him developing counters that work in

902
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,159
the postseason against the defenses. And
I thought he didn't figure it out last

903
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:31,119
year in the regular season, but
looking how comfortable he was dribbling into wide

904
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:36,840
open pull up threes and then like
even the spins and when he would pick

905
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,119
up his dribble and the fades that
he was taking in the in between ranges,

906
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,840
I thought it would help even if
it wasn't necessarily the most efficient shots.

907
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,199
It did not, And so like, is that just still you know,

908
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,920
I think people are always if Jannie
ever hits like two threes in a

909
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,199
game, when he's two of three, there's the social media is gonna go

910
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,679
crazy. Like there's an element of
truth too. He needs like one of

911
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,440
these things, I feel like,
to hit for the bucks to ever actualize

912
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,679
this idea that they are going to
be title favorites. What's funny is,

913
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,000
for the most part, it didn't
that first quarter of game five if I

914
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,360
think or four, whichever the last
game he played. I think it was

915
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,360
four, Like he dominated Miami for
a better part of a quarter before we

916
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,840
ended up hurting the ankle and having
to go out again, like he was

917
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,760
sort of getting there. And I
do think like the threes are going to

918
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,400
be the one everyone talks about.
I'm still a little hesitant. I would

919
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,199
love personally to see honest used a
little bit more like Bam out of Baio

920
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,880
as like a play finisher and kind
of like running slot of picking rolls and

921
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,360
dribble handoffs. Here's the issue,
Like he's not Bam out of Bio,

922
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,320
He's honest. He's two time rating
MVP. It's really freaking hard to tell

923
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,880
you honest, Like, hey,
you know, play like this guy who

924
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,960
scores sixteen and it's like a really
good player, like not to put down

925
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,920
Bam out of bio, but like
you can't just go to an MVP and

926
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,679
be like, hey, we actually
don't want the ball in your hands,

927
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:53,440
Like it's not really it's a hard
position to do. I think you need

928
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,079
to have compromise. So like he's
gonna handle the ball, he wants to

929
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,559
be more of a perimeter player.
It's just not his most strong suit.

930
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:05,000
And I think the biggest things he
can work on is improving that vision because

931
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,360
still even now, even in his
more limited offensive game, he still usually

932
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,800
is getting doubled most of the time. Like even without a reliable jumper,

933
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,280
it's really hard for most guys to
face guard him even knowing what he wants

934
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,039
to do. And he's just that
good. So like work on that vision.

935
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,400
Like earlier in his career he would
do so many like wrap around passes

936
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,400
with his mammoth arms, like reaching
way out of bounds and just like slinging

937
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,559
it to a corner. I'd like
to see more of that. But I

938
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,440
think even more than the three that
post game is going to be important for

939
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:37,880
him, Like his fade away is
looking pretty good. It has been looking

940
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:38,960
pretty good. He didn't go to
it as much in the playoffs, but

941
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,480
I like, I would love to
see a few times a game, like

942
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,559
get the body onto the elbows and
let him work a little bit from there,

943
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,440
Like anything you can do really to
get him closer to the rim.

944
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:52,400
I think it's going to be important
because like that's that's the effective range,

945
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,639
right, Like the closer is to
the rim, the more effective he is.

946
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:59,639
So the jumper is important, but
like the turnaround fade away from fifteen

947
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:02,159
feet that's important too. And I
do think like he just needs to get

948
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,079
one of those to a place where
he's comfortable consistently doing it in the playoffs

949
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,239
and then all of a sudden it's
like, Okay, we have no idea

950
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,960
how to guard this guy. I
don't think he needs all of them.

951
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,199
If he has all of them,
I mean, just full of the league,

952
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,559
Like, if you're honest, thirty
seven percent from three and like forty

953
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,400
six percent from mid range, I
don't know what the hell you're going to

954
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,159
do about him, especially with real
players around him now. But yeah,

955
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,920
I do agree, like he doesn't
he needs to get better too. I

956
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,880
think that's something that kind of gets
lost among like Buddenholzer and Chris and formerly

957
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,159
Bled, so be honest wasn't good
enough for most of the series either most

958
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,559
of the postseason either, So he
does need to get that. And I

959
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,239
do hope that the whole theme of
this Buck season, I've touched on it

960
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,880
already, is like trying stuff like
if you honest is going to dunk a

961
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,239
bunch of course, like we want
that, nobody nobody wants to tell you

962
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,239
honest, not the dunk, but
like shoot a bunch of fadeaways, shoot

963
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,599
a bunch of threes. Like I
will never get mad at him for doing

964
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,559
that in the regular season because it's
like, if you can get more comfortable

965
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:55,920
with that, and it helps us
in playoff time. But we lose a

966
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,679
game against the Pacers in February,
I don't care. Good job Pacers,

967
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,320
Like congrats on the wind, like
it doesn't matter that much to me.

968
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,960
I'm wondering, do you think maybe
he'll be more willing to play without the

969
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
ball and he uses a screener in
so far as he wasn't willing in the

970
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:14,960
first place. Now that you've gone
from let's out to Drew Holiday, I

971
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,199
think it helps. Yeah, I
certainly think it helps. I think that

972
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:20,320
was the whole thing, like when
Chris Paul was the guy that was talked

973
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,000
about, right, Like, that's
the other half of it that I didn't

974
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:24,800
touch on. That's a great call
out. Like it's pretty hard to be

975
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,519
like, hey, we need the
ball out of your hands for Eric Bledsoe.

976
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:30,840
And I think Chris needs to do
more stuff too, And I think,

977
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,880
be honest, respects Chris enough that
won't be a problem. But yeah,

978
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,840
like I think it's a lot easier
to sell it when it's like Drew

979
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,280
Holiday get versus like Dante di Vincenzo
or God forbid Pat Connatan, Like of

980
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,000
course God is going to be like
no, Like I'd like give me the

981
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,719
ball, sorry, Pat, love
you my best workout, buddy, but

982
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,119
like I'll take the ball in this
situation. Thanks. I think the easiest

983
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:52,679
sell is Brent Forbes running it.
I think that's the one that I'll get

984
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,320
him do it and he look,
I was looking at up what you're talking

985
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,400
before. One point one seven points
per Roman possession and he had one hundred

986
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,480
and fifteen of them last year.
That's only the sixty seven percent tile,

987
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,960
but he had among everyone who used
or finished at least one hundred P and

988
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:13,039
R possessions is the rollman. Only
Mason Plumley, Christian Wood, Rudy Gobert,

989
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,519
and Jackson Hayes had were fouled more
often and so like, there's also

990
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:20,119
the level of panic that Jannis creates
if he's just going downhill at all.

991
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:22,159
And I do feel like you have
the tools to make that happen in the

992
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:24,599
half court more where you don't have
to rely on transition. And yeah,

993
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:28,440
having Chris Paul it might have been
I might have actually liked that better for

994
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,559
this team. Maybe the opportunity cost
would have been lower had they went that

995
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,400
route. But just to get Johannest
moving off the ball, he might be

996
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,639
a little bit better. But I
would think that Drew has to be good

997
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,920
enough to maybe try that. And
if Jhannest's counters aren't maybe working, you

998
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,039
know, if his pull up three
is at twenty nine percent and his you

999
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,119
know post ups are at like forty
percent or just stuff that's low, I

1000
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:50,920
would just like to see it more. There is something I don't think about

1001
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,400
enough. It's like, you're right, two time MVP also just brainy defensive

1002
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,039
player of the year, it's nothing
to do with this, but like your

1003
00:58:55,079 --> 00:59:00,320
status is just implied there signed to
Supermax, you stayed, like are you

1004
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,400
willing to play without the ball?
Right? Like it's I just think it's

1005
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,000
a tough sell to be, like
we need you to be super DeAndre Jordan

1006
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:07,760
on offense sorry honest, like it's
not gonna happen, Like I'm sorry,

1007
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,400
it's I wouldn't tell that guy to
do that. I wouldn't even say like

1008
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,639
it needs to happen like that much
like DeAndre Jordan type, but like if

1009
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,480
it's so, if he's using you
know what was it per game for him

1010
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:21,719
last year was like one point eight
rollman possessions or whatever it is, Like

1011
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,960
can you double that? Like is
that really that much more to do?

1012
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,800
And I think they should be able
to do that, Like he's never gonna

1013
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,199
He's never gonna play like Bam all
the time, I don't think and Bam

1014
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:32,280
handles sometimes in transition, but like, yeah, he's not getting the honest

1015
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,519
usage. But I think you need
to get him to do it more.

1016
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:37,960
But I think you also need to
figure out other stuff. I wouldn't hate

1017
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,599
to see, like more pick and
rolls where your honest is the ball hand,

1018
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:44,800
like have a shooter screen for him
and pop do some weird stuff like

1019
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:47,119
that's fine. I just really the
one thing I don't want to see is

1020
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,039
more like be honest at the top
of the key, just like driving over

1021
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,039
and over and over, because I
just think he'll score a decent amount,

1022
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:57,840
especially in the regular season against smaller
teams. But it's just like you're not

1023
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,559
learning anything new. I don't think
he's gonna get much better at this point,

1024
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:01,599
has been doing it so much,
and I just think it's like a

1025
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:06,000
waste of your possessions, right Like, if you have Chris Middleton and Brook

1026
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,519
Lopez and Dante and Drew Holiday out
there, if none of them are doing

1027
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:13,840
anything for multiple possessions, that seems
like a bad thing. Yeah, I'm

1028
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,639
gonna try and blow through these last
few questions since we only have fifteen minutes

1029
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,679
remaining. Do you see the bucks
they're they're so inflexible financially right now,

1030
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:24,679
I get that, but do you
sort of see them like, are are

1031
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:29,960
they more emboldened to take another swing
if the opportunity presents itself, because if

1032
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,880
they have to go dollar for dollar
matching with salaries, like you still have

1033
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,199
Dante de Vincenzo, and there are
salary fillers on this roster now, like

1034
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,480
you know DJ Augustine's contract, Pat
Connaughton's contract once they're eligible to be traded.

1035
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,760
Even DJ Wilson makes four point six, So there's stuff that they could

1036
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,000
do. Do you think that they're
more emboldened to do it now if the

1037
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,440
opportunities itself, or would they be
less likely to go out and search for

1038
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,199
that just for one how probably low
scale of a move it would they're all

1039
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:59,159
in play, would still be now
or just two because they don't want to

1040
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:01,480
give up like the equity of a
Dante de Vincenzo, since they just don't

1041
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:06,920
have first round picks. Ever,
again that's obviously an exaggerations they actually will

1042
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,639
have when they can use in twenty
twenty one, although knowing the Bucks,

1043
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,320
they'll probably end up trading it on
Draft night. But I think Dante being

1044
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,880
moved, and I think, just
to answer the question in general, it's

1045
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,559
really going to depend on the first
X part of the season. Like I

1046
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:22,400
really think this is going to be
a big prove it part of the year

1047
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,960
for Dante de Vincenzo, for DJ
Wilson, for like a few of these

1048
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,119
guys to where like a lot of
people have mentioned DJ Wilson is one where

1049
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:37,159
like he if they could trade him, they could get under the cap or

1050
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:38,800
under the tax. That just barely
like if they trade him for very little

1051
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,639
salary, So that's one thing they
could do. But Dante, I think

1052
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,280
like he's gonna have the opportunity to
prove he's like a really good fifth starter

1053
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,639
with this group. And the only
way I see him being traded by the

1054
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,559
middle of the season is if it's
just not working, which I would be

1055
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:57,760
a little surprised. I think it
will work good enough for them not trade

1056
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,079
him. I think they're really high
on him. He is, like,

1057
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:04,320
like you mentioned, we jokingly refer
to him aslone last year as the young

1058
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,440
core, Like that's it, that's
their young core they have, you know

1059
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,880
some they have rookies now or whatever, but like last year, it was

1060
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,440
really like Dante and then the honest
was your young core, which adding the

1061
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:15,440
honest makes it sound a little better
at least, I don't. I don't

1062
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,880
think most people consider him a prospect, But yeah, I don't think Dante

1063
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,920
I'll move. You mentioned already the
salary constraints, like if you could bring

1064
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,159
in like a DeMar Derosi where his
game is flawed, but you know what

1065
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,559
he brings and he's really really good
at what he does, you know,

1066
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:30,679
then maybe, oh, we'd like
to add that as the fifth guy.

1067
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:34,639
It's impossible without trading one of the
core for I'm like they're going to do

1068
01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:37,679
that for a move like that,
So I think the most likely thing is

1069
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,920
like DJ Wilson gets traded for X
other uninspiring big wing who makes two million

1070
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:46,800
less and like an Indiana second goes
out Like That's probably the most thing I

1071
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,280
would anticipate, But it all depends, Like if DJ Wilson looks like an

1072
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,280
indispensable defender for them and he's actually
playing good minutes, then they might just

1073
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,039
do nothing except add a fifteenth guy. So I think the trade question is

1074
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,480
all it depends on how the first
half goes, and I'd lean toward nothing

1075
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:05,199
big just because I don't think it's
gonna look worth it to the Bucks.

1076
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,199
What is Dante Divincenzo's swing skill right
now to this team, where I think

1077
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,960
it's probably you could say shooting,
just because the three point percentage is like

1078
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:15,920
lower than his confidence level would be
in them but I'm also wondering, and

1079
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,440
I guess I wouldn't pick this anymore. But it felt like he could log

1080
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,079
some backup point guard minutes, and
I guess they punted it on that by

1081
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,079
adding Augustine, and I guess they
could still do that, but then that

1082
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,800
would ruin my dream of seeing Britten
Forbes like play a bunch. Maybe he

1083
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,119
could play those two together. So
what is like? Because we know what

1084
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:31,840
he could do defensively, Like he's
just he's really good on defense, and

1085
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:37,440
he's great at breaking up plays like
from behind on offense. Though it does

1086
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,760
seem like he needs to reach another
level to be like optimal for this team.

1087
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,800
What is that level? I think
it is the shooting. It's the

1088
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,320
obvious answer, but I think that's
really it. I think based on looking

1089
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,519
at their moves this off season,
and I think they still think really highly

1090
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:54,119
of him. And he started every
game so far, which I actually didn't

1091
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:58,079
know if he would, but he
has and it's fine. I think they're

1092
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:02,760
now looking at him in terms of
creation, more of a tertiary creator than

1093
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,039
a backup point guard kind of guy. I think they tried that, like

1094
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:08,840
he started for Bled, so a
couple of times. I think they prefer

1095
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,000
to have him lower on the hierarchy
of ball handlers on the court, Like

1096
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,440
I think they want him behind Drew
and Jannis and Chris or at least two

1097
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,440
of those guys, And I think
that's probably good. Like he's not he

1098
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,440
doesn't have crazy vision, Like he
can drive a little bit, but I

1099
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,719
think he is more of a like
let's get an action going and then kick

1100
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,280
it to a Dante in an advantageous
position and then he'll go from there.

1101
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:30,719
I think that's where he's going to
be as a playmaker, and that's fine

1102
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:32,880
on this team. Like they don't
need him to handle the ball a time,

1103
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,800
it's the shooting. Like if he
can shoot, I think this is

1104
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,559
like one of the big swings for
the Bucks this year. Brook is a

1105
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,880
good one, but I think he
does so much other stuff it's not as

1106
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,119
crucial. If Dante hits like thirty
eight thirty nine percent from three, this

1107
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,000
team gets so much better and it's
gonna be good. Looks, he's gonna

1108
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,159
have the opportunity. It's pretty good
for him. He certainly has the confidence.

1109
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,480
Like you mentioned, he's taking some
shots where I'm like, probably shouldn't

1110
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,400
do that. One, Dante,
but his confidence level in shooting off the

1111
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,920
dribble is a lot high than my
confidence level in him doing that, even

1112
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,880
though the volume is still so low. I just don't even think it should

1113
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,639
be. It just it feels high
just seeing him do it. Ever,

1114
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:12,440
when you're just like do please,
Chris is out here. But yeah,

1115
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,679
I think they just need to get
him. I mean, you already mentioned

1116
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,639
how much he loves those those off
the dribble, Like just put him in

1117
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,239
a spot where it's like you're in
the corner or like like a little away

1118
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,519
from the corner, like just shoot
it, or drive to the rim,

1119
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:27,679
don't dribble and then shoot. Please
d't say, but I think he like

1120
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:30,760
if he can hit a high volume, suddenly he is a really good fit

1121
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,800
starter because you don't give up anything
on defense playing in like you mentioned,

1122
01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:36,199
and he's not hurting your spacing.
I think they do need that fit starter

1123
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:40,679
to help their spacing at least at
least they're like in a closing lineup.

1124
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:44,840
They need a positive spacing player with
the core for that's one of the big

1125
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,280
questions of the years. Ken Dante
de Vincenzo be that. I hope so

1126
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:53,000
I don't think I think he can. It's one of those where, like

1127
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:56,760
I'm not I wouldn't bet money on
it right now, but I think if

1128
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,519
he does, then you feel really
comfortable about your closing group. And what

1129
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:03,800
is so is the closing group.
It's are you just penciling in the four

1130
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,559
of Brooke, Jannis, Middleton,
Drew and then X or do you think

1131
01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:13,960
that spot is going to be Dante's
to lose? I would say X for

1132
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:18,000
now. I think really like the
probably the highest flour players DJ Augustine,

1133
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:20,679
just because I mean, we know
he's gonna get singled out a little bit

1134
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:24,320
on defense. Again, I think
they can cover for him enough. And

1135
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,199
if he's gonna be hitting, I
don't know the number, but if he's

1136
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,360
like forty plus percent on catching shoot, which I think he does shoot pretty

1137
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,760
well from those on those looks,
that's really what you need, I think

1138
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,639
most from that spot. I mean, we'll see what Brooke does. Maybe

1139
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:40,159
they can afford to go downte no
matter what. If Brooke is hitting a

1140
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:42,000
lot of threes. Again, I
wouldn't bet on that, but I just

1141
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,719
think I think the core four is
too good to not play one of them

1142
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,480
in ninety nine percent of closing scenarios. I know there's gonna be some matchups,

1143
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:49,519
but like, I don't know.
I think most of the best teams

1144
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:54,400
are on the league are all going
to play one semish traditional big guy.

1145
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,760
I think there's always going to be
a spot for Brook Lopez. He just

1146
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,880
adds too much to bench him for. Like he's like even if you're there

1147
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,760
playing, some teams are playing smaller. Uh you know, if it was

1148
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,599
the Rockets version, which doesn't exist
anymore, but let's use the Rockets,

1149
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:09,320
Like if they've Christian Wood at the
five, that's not going to play uh

1150
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,559
for CLOBs off the floor. So
like he's he's like a little he's close

1151
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:15,280
to match up proof. I would
say, yeah, I think I think

1152
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,519
he's just too good. I think
he can do more perimeter stuff on D

1153
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,639
than he has done. But I
just think, like if you're sitting him

1154
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:24,440
for like Bryn Forbes because you want
more spacing, I just think you're overthinking

1155
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:30,760
the game at that. That's obviously
the move tie that is how many how

1156
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,760
many basketball Fantasy basketball leagues have you
drafted Bryan Forbes? And like something's off.

1157
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:38,360
No, I don't even use fantasy
I don't do fantasy basketball anymore,

1158
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,000
as I'm lame like that. But
Britan Forbes, I just I value guys

1159
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,559
that can hit consistently like pull up
three pointers, and he can, and

1160
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:46,599
I know his defense is a problem, but like, I don't think it

1161
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:48,920
will be Milwaukee. I would not
bench him, or I would not bench

1162
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,599
Broke for him, although I am
a sucker for Yannis at the five,

1163
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:56,519
So if you're gonna go Yannis at
the five, then yeah, put brim

1164
01:07:56,519 --> 01:08:00,599
Forbes in there. But to your
part out Augustine two, is they criticize

1165
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:02,199
the shooting. Last year, he
still shot forty one point six percent on

1166
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,719
catching shoot threes. It was twenty
nine point five on pull up threes,

1167
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:08,960
and he took one hundred and twelve
pull up threes eighty nine catch and shoot

1168
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,039
threes. I wouldn't expect that just
to flip. I would expect it to

1169
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,599
flip a bunch to where he's just
gonna take a lot more catch and shoots,

1170
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:16,000
and that's where he's gonna be valuable. And if you're not worried about

1171
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,039
his defense, then he becomes infinitely
more playable. But I could see,

1172
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:24,399
like I think it's gonna be kind
of tough for them to pick between Forbes

1173
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,439
and Augustine. I think really it
comes down to, like Augustine's gonna be

1174
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,039
the better ball handler. I think
if Forbes is looking like a significantly better

1175
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:34,600
shooter off movement and off catch,
then maybe you look at him as well.

1176
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,239
But I do think I don't know
if I want to say Dante's to

1177
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,880
lose, but I think he's gonna
have pole position being the opening starter,

1178
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,640
and if he's hitting those threes,
then I think it's pretty obviously going to

1179
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,560
be him. Is there a quirky
lineup you're hoping they roll out this season?

1180
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:53,680
I want to see like the maximum
spacing Yannis lineup, so then he

1181
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,159
was talking like Yannis at the five, Chris at the four, and then

1182
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:01,039
like maybe Augustine Drew Forbes. I
think that would be really fun, Like

1183
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,880
you kind of need some defense out
there with Drew just if you're gonna play

1184
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,640
Augustine and Forbes at the same time. And they might never use that group,

1185
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,359
but I do think like it would
probably just wreck teams, Like I

1186
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,960
mean, Chris and Drew ball handling, Yannis rolling into the ram and ball

1187
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,720
handling some too, and Augustine and
Forbes kind of like just orbiting and looking

1188
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,720
for space, like it'd be really
hard to guard that team. Well,

1189
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,600
that was my exact lineup except oh
nice, except I had Dante in for

1190
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,800
Augustine. Oh yeah, and that
and if Dante is hitting his threes then

1191
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,560
then that's one. That lineup is
just gonna go crazy at that point.

1192
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,239
So what are what are your projects? What are your projections for where this

1193
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:38,680
team lands in the East and how
many wins they end up getting In the

1194
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,880
regular season, their win total was
at a fifty point five, which I

1195
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,119
can't think in terms of seventy two
games that's the equivalent of fifty eight in

1196
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:49,720
a normal season. Where would you
have them end up? So it's fifty

1197
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:55,000
eight point five? Is the over
under? Yeah, okay, I'd probably

1198
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,960
say under just under and a and
a that's the I know, that's the

1199
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:01,520
scaled up to eight. They were
the only team, by the way,

1200
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,560
when I looked at this for this
season that had a win total of fifty

1201
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,520
or higher like everyone else. I
think the highest I saw it was forty

1202
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,319
eight or forty seven, and they
were just comfortably above And I was like,

1203
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:15,560
I guess the oddsmakers really like the
Bucks offseason that they're still that high.

1204
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,960
I know they just won at like
a sixty plus win pace, but

1205
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,920
I was just surprised to see it
was that high. I thought it'd be

1206
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,560
a little bit lower under the circumstances. I think all the oddsmakers are in

1207
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,199
on them as such a good regular
season team, and I think like just

1208
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:31,560
the East is not, even though
there's some threatening teams now, like especially

1209
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,960
the Bucks Division, it's just so
bad and it's just like so many wins

1210
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,319
you feel like you can pencil in, Like I don't know how many times

1211
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:41,079
they play these teams in the new
schedule, but like you have so many

1212
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:44,000
games against the Calves, so many
games against the Pistons, even the Pacers,

1213
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:46,399
who were like good but just clearly
not as good. Like it's it's

1214
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,800
it's I think that goes into a
lot of it. But I'm gonna say

1215
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,680
under I just think they're gonna have
some stinkers. Probably they're gonna have some

1216
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,159
growing pains. They're still getting drew
acclimated. Like again, I think he

1217
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,920
had like five points in their first
game, and it's like one of those

1218
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,199
where would you love to see him
play well off the jump? Yeah,

1219
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,439
but I think it is going to
be like learning how he fits and maybe

1220
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,119
how to use him in some lineups
where it's true and four bench guys to

1221
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:10,399
get him more reps and more touches, just to get him more comfortable.

1222
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:12,439
But he needs to learn how to
play with Chris and the honest think it

1223
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,039
will take a little bit of time. But I don't think their defense is

1224
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:18,640
probably gonna be a little bit worse, especially coming off the bench. I

1225
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:24,279
think their bench defense outside of Tory
Craig and sort of Pet but really just

1226
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:28,600
Tory Craig is significantly worse. So
they'll probably cost him a couple of games.

1227
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,439
But again, it's like they might
lose like more to the Blazers than

1228
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,439
they would have in their regular season. But I do think it will lead

1229
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,920
to them having a better postseason,
I hope at least, and that's always

1230
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,119
the goal. So if they come
in at like a fifty five win pace

1231
01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:45,439
instead of sixty three, but they're
better equipped for the playoffs, it's a

1232
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,560
trade every Bucks final make, so
I will take the under, but it

1233
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,439
wouldn't surprise me. I mean,
they could click and still win sixty They're

1234
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,760
a really good team. I'll take
the slight under Yeah, and I feel

1235
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,640
like they could be at a fifty
three win pace and still finish first in

1236
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,319
the East. Just looking at it, I feel like Philly and Real Clint

1237
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:02,720
are my two biggest wild cards there. Boston with Kemba's knee injury, losing

1238
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,159
Hayward, that's I don't think we're
talking enough about how dicey they are.

1239
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,680
But we'll see what looking rough in
the preseason two. Although I haven't watched

1240
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,399
Yeah, so that's like a team
there's Indie, which is solid, but

1241
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,199
it's like it's indie. I don't
really know where to place them within that.

1242
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:20,720
So I think they're still comfortably or
semi comfortably going to be number one

1243
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,720
Miami looms, but I feel like
they're a little bit less dynamic than they

1244
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,279
were towards the nlast season. After
they you lose Jay Crowder. You just

1245
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:31,359
can't play Iggy at the four really, so I don't like, are you

1246
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:33,680
going with dual Biggs down the stretch? So I would still have them in

1247
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,479
first, I just have no read
on what type of win totals they're gonna

1248
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,680
have. I picked the under two, but I just can't see them given

1249
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,279
the makeup of this roster, and
now that they just understand, I think

1250
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,279
what the larger goal is, not
that they didn't before, but like you're

1251
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:50,279
sort of like veterans at this now, the regular season doesn't mean as much,

1252
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:53,960
and so I'm just curious whether there's
a d emphasis on trying to pick

1253
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:57,159
up as many winds as possible.
Yeah, I think Philly is the one

1254
01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:00,199
I would most expect to supersede them
for number one. I just think that

1255
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:03,119
roster is finally really good and it's
gonna be really well suited around Joel and

1256
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:06,039
Ben, and I think like they
were really good with those two and that

1257
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:10,560
weirdo stars lineup with JJ Reddick a
while ago. I think they might get

1258
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,520
back there. I think Brooklyn's going
to be good at times, but they're

1259
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,079
gonna rest Katie and Kyrie a lot, so that probably is going to cost

1260
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:17,880
them some games. So yeah,
I would see anywhere from first through third.

1261
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,560
I would most comfortably bet one or
two. But even if they're third

1262
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,960
again, like I'm not, I'm
not losing sleep. Like they're gonna have

1263
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,720
to beat good teams in this East
either way, So get ready for the

1264
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,800
playoffs, and that's that's the goal
is there anything else you wanted to talk

1265
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,199
about that we didn't cover or that
I did not pick your brain? How

1266
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:36,920
about I mean the big thing for
the Bucks this year. I do think

1267
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:42,319
it's gonna be like figuring out who
are your seven to eight guys who you

1268
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:45,279
know you can ride with in a
playoff series. Like I think that's gonna

1269
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:48,239
be the most interesting thing for me, aside from like hoping and praying for

1270
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:53,000
Bud doing less Bud stuff, which
we'll see. No one has any idea.

1271
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:57,279
I do think he'll stick around for
this year at least, but we'd

1272
01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:00,560
love to see we need to see
different kinds of defense. The other thing

1273
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,680
like let him switch more. Hopefully
we sit during the regular season. But

1274
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,079
my number one thing is going to
be, like, you know, the

1275
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:10,479
core four is going to be good. You continuously pencil and Dante probably is

1276
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,720
the fifth really good guy. You
need two to three more guys so you

1277
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,119
can trust on both ends at least
a little bit. So it's gonna be

1278
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:19,199
like, can DJ Augustine live on
defense if he gets hunted? Like how

1279
01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:23,560
is Brent Forbes doing on that day? Does Bobby Port has become somewhat less

1280
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,319
of a black hole to where you
can play him in fifteen minutes and not

1281
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:29,399
lose the game in those fifteen minutes. So that's gonna be the big thing

1282
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,479
is like we need to figure out
the bus, need to figure out who

1283
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,479
are the guys that you can play
in playoff series and hopefully that the answer

1284
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,880
for Bud isn't like everybody just play
them all. That's that's the that's the

1285
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,319
fear. Yeah, the bugs are
still going to go fourteen deep this season

1286
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:47,119
somehow tanasis takeover. Ty. Can
you let everybody know where they can follow

1287
01:14:47,119 --> 01:14:53,319
your work please? At Tywindish on
Twitter? Did you ask where people can

1288
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:56,479
follow me? Yeah? My ear
pod, my earbud fell out, totally

1289
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,640
guessed. Let's go at Tywindosh on
Twitter, TI U n d H.

1290
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:04,560
That's where I post pretty much everything
I do. But the main thing for

1291
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:09,720
sure is the euro Step podcast.
That's a honest reference. So g y

1292
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:14,199
R O Step on all podcast platforms
we're putting out, we always say one

1293
01:15:14,199 --> 01:15:15,399
a week and then we end up
getting excited and doing another one, so

1294
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,760
like one point five ish episodes a
week. But definitely can subscribe to that

1295
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:25,560
for all the great bucks content,
and of course you gotta subscribe to Hodwood

1296
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,279
Knocks for all the great every team's
content. I wanted to say this.

1297
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,439
I know we're way over and I'm
sorry. I appreciate, Oh what I

1298
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,319
said. I don't apologize. I'm
the one that's people common during your time.

1299
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:41,159
That's true, that's true. I
really appreciate your focus on the granular

1300
01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:44,199
aspects of every team, like I
think it really shines to I think it's

1301
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:46,239
awesome. Like I listen to the
kas pod with Row and I listen to

1302
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:49,960
the Spurs pod and it's like you're
actually like in depth talking about the real

1303
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,560
stuff on these teams. I think
people appreciate that. So I just wanted

1304
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,600
to shout out your pod. On
your pod, it's pretty useless. People

1305
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,880
are already here, but I'm doing
what I can. You're gonna make me

1306
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,399
lush. I appreciate the kind words. Don't deserve them. After not realizing

1307
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,520
Cam Reynolds was no longer on the
Bucks though, So I think that's the

1308
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:10,000
that's the failure we're taking away from
this. Guys, follow Tie on Twitter

1309
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:12,560
seriously if you're not already, and
I can back up what he said about

1310
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,399
his podcast, subscribe to it.
They're really good. They're great at posting

1311
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:19,520
emergency pods and post game pods during
the playoffs. Those were really useful as

1312
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:24,680
someone who wasn't necessarily catching every game
at one point before the heat series,

1313
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,159
so those are really useful. Subscribe
there, and as he mentioned, follow

1314
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,760
them on Twitter. Ty. I
think you know at this point I'm gonna

1315
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,960
be bothering the hell out of you
again at some point, but thank you

1316
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:35,199
again for giving me so much of
your time. I always loved talking hoops

1317
01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:39,039
with you. I appreciate it.
Same to you man. Looking forward to

1318
01:16:39,119 --> 01:16:44,760
being bothered soon in the near future. Amazon, welcome back. Thank you

1319
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,760
for coming on the Hardwood Knox podcast. It's been I don't know since last

1320
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,439
time you came on. I think
you've been on twice and four, but

1321
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:55,239
it's definitely been many minutes. How
are you doing good? I mean,

1322
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:00,840
it's been a year, but it's
been a year for literally everyone and making

1323
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,560
it. Can't complain too much,
but uh yeah, I mean it's it's

1324
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,079
I'm I'm currently enjoying some some southern
weather even though I live in Chicago,

1325
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:15,800
so I am I've been able to
escape being quarantining in a pandemic in one

1326
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,399
of the cold cities and in North
America or in America. So all good.

1327
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,960
I'm ready for a new season,
NBA season to start. Yeah,

1328
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:28,479
let's let's talk some Pelicans. I'm
gonna start. This is more reflective than

1329
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,199
anything, but I think I'm still
shocked at the hall they got for Drew

1330
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:36,560
Holiday. And I know that Jannis
resigning with the Bucks like changes the context

1331
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:42,600
of some of those picks and swaps, but to have control of four draft

1332
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,319
picks essentially that far out and like
you know, even sort of the little

1333
01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:48,880
stuff where it's like they got George
Hill in that deal they eventually moved like

1334
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,560
he ends up in Okay, see, but like that was just part of

1335
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,960
looking from Alwaukee's perspectives, Like you
couldn't even like there was a way to

1336
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,000
structure that deal money wise without having
George Hill in it, Like you couldn't

1337
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:02,880
figure that out. So the fact
that it was just such a massive haul.

1338
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,640
I know New Orleans had leverage,
but were you surprised by what they

1339
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:11,039
were ultily were able to get for
Drew? So yes, and no,

1340
01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:15,239
I think I was always more on
the optimistic side of the discussion around what

1341
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,640
what your Holiday's market value was in
the number of teams who might be interested,

1342
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,039
because really all it takes is two
teams get into a bidding war.

1343
01:18:23,039 --> 01:18:28,039
I mean I think we you know
that that was a common topic of discussion

1344
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:30,960
for Anthony Davis as well. A
different scale of course, but you know,

1345
01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:33,479
whether your market is ten teams or
two teams, as long as your

1346
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,439
market square than one, you can
create some sort of if you if you're

1347
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,600
good, like we always gave a
Griffin age, you can create a bidding

1348
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:44,000
war sort. So we don't know
what's hot about. I mean, we

1349
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,279
kind of heard some some stuff after
the fact about the other teams that were

1350
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:50,079
interested in and we're willing to pay
out, but there were when push came

1351
01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:53,079
to the show, there was no
one, no, no team that was

1352
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:56,720
going to be able to offer that. No team really was as desperate.

1353
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,079
I guess is the right way to
frame it than the bucks. And that's

1354
01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:01,279
what I feel like that that's my
was my one takeaway with both the the

1355
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:06,359
Ad Drew deals is that like,
is grip praise on desperation better than any

1356
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,640
better than a lot a lot of
gms in the in the league. And

1357
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,560
the thing is, like you can
make the argument with the Anty Davis trade

1358
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,439
that when based on everything eighty said, everything was back channel about the Lakers,

1359
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,680
and eighty wanted to be there,
that the Lakers were kind of bidding

1360
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:24,000
against themselves and the level of what
they were willing to offer, and Griff

1361
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,479
still got a pretty nice haul things
considered. And then and then the same

1362
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,079
things can be said for Drew Holiday
and said, you know, there was

1363
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:34,039
a lot of messaging about, well, the Heats aren't going to part with

1364
01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:38,920
Arrow, the Nuggets aren't gonna part
with Michael Porter Junior. Starry I called

1365
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,319
the magat Porter Junior in our last
Pelican podcast, So I feel like I've

1366
01:19:41,319 --> 01:19:45,760
got to stick with that. And
then you've got and then you had the

1367
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,800
Nets. Who you know, if
the centerpieces is LeVert, I mean,

1368
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:54,279
that's fine, But there was a
lot of talk about, well, if

1369
01:19:54,319 --> 01:19:56,039
it's going to be the Nets,
if they're going to be the winner,

1370
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,439
here is do you have to get
a third team involved to get the right

1371
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,279
group grouping of players and picks that
the Pelicans would want. And so there

1372
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:08,279
was nothing that was rumored up in
the days and hours up into the trade

1373
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,079
that seemed anywhere close to what the
Pelicans got. And so you know.

1374
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:15,960
That's why I say, you know, it's Simulsannels surprised me didn't because I

1375
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,600
always thought that Drew was going to
get a nice return given the limited other

1376
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:26,600
options of Drew Holiday's ability that were
available this offseason, but still it didn't.

1377
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:30,920
It's it's more than was rumored in
the days beforehand. So it was

1378
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:34,039
interesting. Yeah, it was just
because I think the like part of the

1379
01:20:34,119 --> 01:20:38,399
conversation was can the Nuggets figure out
a way to get the deal done without

1380
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,640
including Michael Porter Jr. Like just
as a framework for it. And then

1381
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,880
you see what the Pelicans actually ended
up getting for Drew Holiday and it's like,

1382
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:47,079
well, holy shit, Like that
clearly was never gonna happen if Michael

1383
01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:51,760
Porter Junior was not on the table. So exactly what do you think of

1384
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:57,119
The move that surprised me was the
Steven Adams move and the subsequent extension.

1385
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,159
I really wanted him, and I
think that this was probably like a prevailing

1386
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:03,600
national perspective. Wanted to see a
center who could space the floor play next

1387
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:08,399
to Zion, but Zion didn't play
with that type of center last year,

1388
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,119
and like some of those minutes ended
up being just fine. What do you

1389
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:15,239
think of the every sort of every
element of the Steven Adams extension excuse me,

1390
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,359
acquisition, like the price they paid
and then they extent him and then

1391
01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:21,119
just his his general fit next to
Zion and the rest of the team.

1392
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:26,119
Yeah, yeah, And so I
think so it's easy to say, and

1393
01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:28,520
I was, I'm one of them
to say that, you know, you

1394
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,199
want us floor space or next Dezion, Like, yes, you do,

1395
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:33,720
but also you need a lot from
that center position in general, and you

1396
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,720
have to make unless you're getting a
guy like Karl Anthony Towns, which you

1397
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,960
know would probably be a dream fit
next to Zion, You're you're you're gonna

1398
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,560
have to give on something. So
as a defense, is it rebounding?

1399
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:45,479
Is a three? Is a three
point shooting from that from that position?

1400
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:51,159
And so I think Steven Adams checks
literally every other box that Griff had for

1401
01:21:51,279 --> 01:21:55,920
this for the center next design except
for shooting. And so I'll take it.

1402
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,319
I mean, I think the acquisition
costs for Steven Adams a player was

1403
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:02,840
a little steep. I think the
costs for Steven Adams for what he is

1404
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,000
and what he what they want him
to be off the floor, which the

1405
01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:10,439
shows that the extension they gave him
from the extra two years, which after

1406
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,840
that Gobert extension, I'm very much
okay with thanks Steven Adams seventeen a year

1407
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:16,239
for a couple more years. Who's
one of the one of those guys like

1408
01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:19,560
Drew where you say, wait,
he's he's he's how old I thought,

1409
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,680
and like you think that he was
like three or four years older than that,

1410
01:22:23,359 --> 01:22:26,079
and so like I feel, I
feel good about it overall. And

1411
01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:30,479
so like Steve, Steven Adams is
going to help the Pelicans defense and rebounding,

1412
01:22:30,039 --> 01:22:32,560
starting fast breaks, which I know
this this team is probably gonna run

1413
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,079
quite like they did under Alvin Gentry, but they're still going to want to

1414
01:22:35,119 --> 01:22:38,800
push the pace off you know,
off of the shots. And he's a

1415
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,119
great guy to start that break and
kick it out to laws or with blood

1416
01:22:41,159 --> 01:22:45,119
so and and and he's a fantastic
screen setter. And I think that'll do

1417
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,199
a lot to help the Pelicans with
getting getting guys free, like you know,

1418
01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:54,399
whether it's uh b I or Jaja
Reddick, guys like that. And

1419
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,279
also I think the part that's that's
most under appreciated nationally is it off the

1420
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,640
off the floor stuff and relative to
what the Pelicans needed for so long,

1421
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,720
and so you know, I'm always
in the mind no matter no matter what

1422
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:10,840
where you are in your development cycle, you need that's you can't just bload

1423
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,800
up a young team without having any
sets on the roster and just say well,

1424
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,560
some of whom will cannounce, some
of them won't. Like you need

1425
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:16,920
the veteran presence in the locker room, and not just that, you need

1426
01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:20,640
vocal, vocal guys, and the
Pelicans have not had that. They've had

1427
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:26,319
great leaders and Drew Holiday, dear
Cavers, uh you know, but they're

1428
01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:29,239
soft spoken guys. And I think
JJ Reddick was the first guy who really

1429
01:23:29,319 --> 01:23:32,359
will well we'll talk a lot throughout
some of those other guys, and it

1430
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,520
is not just Adams but also Blood, so mostly more so Adams and Blood,

1431
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:42,119
but they added guys who are gonna
hold other players accountable, like if

1432
01:23:42,119 --> 01:23:45,359
you're Jackson Hayes or Zion in practice, like good luck going up against Steven

1433
01:23:45,359 --> 01:23:47,520
Adams, Like he's gonna make you. He's gonna make you fight every single

1434
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,199
minute. And so I just think
that he brings a lot to this team,

1435
01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:57,560
both on and off the floor,
that maybe isn't captured by you know

1436
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,439
by analytics or stats, and so
as much of an analytics guy as I

1437
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,119
am, like, I see the
value on that, and so I love

1438
01:24:04,279 --> 01:24:08,880
I love the addition. I think
the fit with next to Zion is not

1439
01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:13,000
perfect, but better than aut of
people may be giving credit for. Yeah,

1440
01:24:13,079 --> 01:24:16,079
and look, they've cornered the market
on front court players on whose arms

1441
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:19,239
you can do pull ups on.
So that's between him and Zion. So

1442
01:24:19,319 --> 01:24:24,039
that's always fun and no doubt.
And look, I think the fact that

1443
01:24:24,079 --> 01:24:30,079
he helps defensively is like maybe you
could just figure out the like any awkwardness

1444
01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:32,840
on offense later, just because you
know he does. People seem so down

1445
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,279
on him defensively, and I know
he's not. Like there's this idea of

1446
01:24:35,359 --> 01:24:39,520
you need to be matchup proof at
the five. I understand he's not matchup

1447
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,399
proof, but like every year and
Oksey basically opponents got to the rim just

1448
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,319
substantially last. When he's on the
court, his boxing out is gonna help

1449
01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:48,359
their defensive reboundy like you would think
it makes it easier for get guards to

1450
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,840
grab boards and just get out and
go, and so I think that land

1451
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,760
are two great guards to do that
too, So it's hit right, and

1452
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,399
the other thing is like he only
turned twenty seven in July, so it's

1453
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,359
not like he's super ancient. And
again I wasn't crazy about the decision to

1454
01:25:02,399 --> 01:25:05,000
get him with the extension, but
he's only twenty seven, and he helps

1455
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,039
your defense, and like you said, the off court stuff that'll clearly matter.

1456
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:12,600
So I warmed on it, where
like I've soured on Tristan Thompson in

1457
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,560
Boston the more I think about it, I've warmed on Steven Adam more in

1458
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,399
New Orleans the more I think about
it. Yeah, And one other piece

1459
01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:21,920
of this I think is important is
that it's who knows if we've finishes out

1460
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:26,239
that contract New Orange, right,
I expect him to be unless like to

1461
01:25:26,319 --> 01:25:29,800
fit what's awful. I expect him
to be in New Orleans all the season,

1462
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,279
all of next season, So year
three, that becomes a very movable

1463
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:35,640
salary. And you can use Steven
Adams plus a couple of picks you have

1464
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:40,119
from the lakers of books to really
make a move and get someone else because

1465
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:43,600
and if there's anything we know about
small markets like New Orleans, it's you're

1466
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,720
only going to get a marquee free
agent if you're a legit title contender.

1467
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:49,279
Otherwise you've got to either draft or
trade for those guys, and so you've

1468
01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:51,359
got to put yourself in a position
to do that. And I think you

1469
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:55,119
know that last year of Steven Adams
deal and combination with some of the picks,

1470
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,479
you can set yourself up for success
as you can build this team.

1471
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,640
Are the spacing concerns fair for this
team? Though I had mentioned something on

1472
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,239
Twitter about it. I think it
was like a few days ago and I

1473
01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:10,159
got a few Pelicans fans I mentioned
saying, you know, they were they've

1474
01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:12,039
shot the ball well from three last
year, and they were. They were

1475
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:14,760
nineteen three point of tenth three.
I think they were fifth and three point

1476
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,079
acentage. But a lot of that
percentage, excuse me, A lot of

1477
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:21,279
that just feels like a perfect storm
of things that could not happen this year,

1478
01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:25,479
Like one you traded, you exchanged
Drew Holiday for Eric Blaze, Like

1479
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,159
that's just the spacing downgrade. Lonzo
had a career year from deep is he

1480
01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:31,439
going to replicate that? I believe
in brandon Ingram's jump, but like what

1481
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,319
if he declines at all? And
you're also the thing that I don't think

1482
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:39,119
is being talked enough about is you
know, Zion shot his percentage was fine

1483
01:26:39,119 --> 01:26:41,119
from three, but he wasn't taking
a bunch of them. And now he's

1484
01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:44,279
going to be on the court,
hopefully just a lot more. And so

1485
01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:46,880
I just feel like it puts more
pressure on them to find lineups where they

1486
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:50,319
can have you know, three shooters
on the court at once, and just

1487
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:53,520
the way their front court is set
up, I think that makes it a

1488
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,319
little bit difficult. And even with
some of their guards, you know,

1489
01:26:56,399 --> 01:26:59,399
having bledso there and then again,
what happens if Lonzo drops off a little

1490
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,439
bit. Yeah, I think you
make a ton of fair points. I

1491
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,600
was I was doing the season preview
pod for the Pells with with Nate Duncan

1492
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,439
the other day, and one of
the things that he said that stuck with

1493
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,319
me was, you know, statistically
speaking, the difference in three point shooting

1494
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:16,800
between Eric Bloods Andrew Holiday is not
that significant. However, teams give a

1495
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:21,399
shit when Drew spots up. Teams
generally don't when Bloods does. And that

1496
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,439
that is what spacing is, right, It's it's how well you can you

1497
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:30,479
know, force defenders to make tough
decisions. And so I think that's certainly

1498
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,359
a fair point with bloods so the
drew to blood so trade off. And

1499
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:38,680
then I agree with the other points
around you know, Alonzo is he is

1500
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,359
that I think with Alonzo and b
I like he said, I think the

1501
01:27:41,359 --> 01:27:45,479
shot sustainable. But is the jump
in percentage that we saw, uh,

1502
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,479
you know from one year to the
next stable, I don't know. And

1503
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:53,279
then of course Zion, you're you're
exactly right, We're But I'd say the

1504
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:58,640
other point with with with well Zion
is it's not like the Peasons. We're

1505
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,000
placing him with dead eye shooters when
you know, and besides, Melly Melody

1506
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:06,159
was a spacer. And but besides
that, I mean like unless they were

1507
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:10,800
talking about adding a guarden for for
the position that a Zion was playing,

1508
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,279
they didn't. They didn't always replace
him with spacing. And so but that

1509
01:28:15,399 --> 01:28:16,560
said, I mean, I think, yeah, it's it would be a

1510
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,560
fool a foolish thing to say if
you were going to say the Pelicans are

1511
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,760
going to finish top ten and three
point shooting again this year. However,

1512
01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:29,800
I don't think they're I don't think
it's as much of a problem as a

1513
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,039
lot of a lot of people may
think. The Steven adds point au I

1514
01:28:33,079 --> 01:28:38,560
made. I think is also you
know, around his ability to create uh

1515
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,640
you know, help with spacing,
with his screening ability, I think matters

1516
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,399
a lot, and I think he's
going to help more than Favors did last

1517
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,399
year in that regard. I expect
this seem to be like around league average

1518
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,640
in three point percentage. And I
mean it would be silly for me to

1519
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,920
say, like between fifties and twenties, because like the with most of these

1520
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,840
stats, you know, with various
teams in the league, anything between ten

1521
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,399
and twenty is separated by not not
much. You know, it's it's a

1522
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,960
rounding Yeah, it's a rounding error. So like, I think they'll be

1523
01:29:08,279 --> 01:29:10,520
I don't think they're gonna be terrible. So like I think they'll be around

1524
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,319
the gatherers, and I think there's
going to be times where you see the

1525
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,600
spacing becomes a problem against good teams. But I think that you know,

1526
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,079
in the long run, they'll they'll
figure it out, like you know,

1527
01:29:20,359 --> 01:29:25,439
not maybe not this season, but
I don't think that they're trying to solve

1528
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,439
every single problem they're going to have
this season. So I'm so excited to

1529
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,760
watch, like Zion this this year, just to have hopefully a full year

1530
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,319
of Zion. I will preface this, as I've said on every pod,

1531
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:39,439
I basically did a preseason basketball black
out because I didn't want it to color

1532
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,640
the way I was writing about my
my player rankings that I was doing at

1533
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,039
the time, since the rankings weren't
based on it. But from like watching

1534
01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:47,920
a few clips of him, it
seems like he looks like really good.

1535
01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:51,560
I'm just curious to your thoughts as
to how he's looked during the preseason,

1536
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:59,079
what you've liked most, anything that's
just stood out. So a couple of

1537
01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:03,760
things. One is the way that
Stan's already clearly trying to get him involved

1538
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:09,279
off off the ball and moving.
And this is certainly something that happened with

1539
01:30:09,359 --> 01:30:13,119
Alvin Gentry as well, but there
it's clearly a focus they're they're making him.

1540
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,800
You know, he's more than just
a guy who's going to catch the

1541
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,079
ball in the post and his bully
people he's going to It's just it's so

1542
01:30:18,319 --> 01:30:23,079
amazing to see someone with his frame
so quick, just like a dribble,

1543
01:30:23,159 --> 01:30:27,239
and can acrobatically get around people and
get to the room and score. He

1544
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,640
covers so much distance, so it's
so easily and effortless play seems like.

1545
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,239
But the other the other thing that
I think is most encouraging to me is

1546
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:40,079
seeing his effort on defense, even
and I tend to take almost nothing from

1547
01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:44,720
preseason besides don't get hurt. But
that said, I think effort matters,

1548
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,159
especially with the way this team played
in the bubble last year. They look

1549
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,479
so lethargic, they look like they
didn't give a shit, and so seeing

1550
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:55,119
seeing Zion clearly trying, and you
know, he looked better and he's not

1551
01:30:55,239 --> 01:30:58,880
good yet obviously, but I think
it's uh, you know, promising for

1552
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,880
me to see him making those types
of strides on the defensive end from where

1553
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,760
he was last year, which was
just, you know, objectively terrible.

1554
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,800
So so that that's where I'm looking
for it, to see what he can

1555
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,479
do, because you know, he
can't be as good as he is offensively.

1556
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,359
He can't be here at least this
world class, you know, the

1557
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,840
top five guy in the league without
being at least competent on or you know,

1558
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,399
average to above average on the defensive
end. I mean, I think

1559
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:26,319
he'd be hard pressed to make that
argument for anyone. James Hardens gets the

1560
01:31:26,359 --> 01:31:30,680
closest you can go. But even
even he has gotten a bad rap on

1561
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,640
defense in certain cases. I mean, there's been years where he hasn't tried,

1562
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:36,680
but when he does try, he's
possible. And so I really want

1563
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:41,960
to see Zion take a step forward
on defensive end this year. I wonder

1564
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,279
if it helps him that it feels
like stan Van Gundee's teams have always just

1565
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,119
overachieved on defense. Where you look
at like some of those Pistons squads that

1566
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:51,119
he had, I felt like they
could have just been a lot worse and

1567
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:55,520
he wasn't given like this premier defensive
talent. And so I'm just wondering if

1568
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,039
having stand van Gundy, he ends
up help which he did to himself though

1569
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:03,560
right yeah, Detroit, Yeah that's
true too. That's that's not pointed out

1570
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:08,239
nearly enough. So I'm wondering if
that ends up helping Zion. My other

1571
01:32:08,359 --> 01:32:10,520
question for him was, though,
do you see them ever getting to a

1572
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,840
point and whether or not that's the
season where Zion might be initiating some of

1573
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,960
the offense rather than doing like a
lot of the you know, not just

1574
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,880
off ball stuff, or like they're
not counting on him to like get them

1575
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,159
into their sets in a half quarter, running a ton of pick and rolls.

1576
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:29,079
Do you see him ever getting to
that point? Yeah, I think

1577
01:32:29,119 --> 01:32:31,560
they'll give him chances, I mean
by by for no other reason, and

1578
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,960
they kind of they they need to
with this group they currently have, like

1579
01:32:36,319 --> 01:32:40,560
I mean, blood Thoe is your
point guard in a traditional half court sense.

1580
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,239
But they don't they don't have a
guy that they're always going to go

1581
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:46,960
to, you know, who's going
to dominate the ball in terms of being

1582
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,159
able to create and score. I
mean Ingram. They're going to give him

1583
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:54,640
more chances, but he's still he's
when you put the ball in his hands,

1584
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:59,000
it's kind of an isolation and look
for his shot. Facilitating and and

1585
01:32:59,119 --> 01:33:00,199
so. But I'm sure us and
then they're gonn took for him to improve

1586
01:33:00,199 --> 01:33:03,439
on this year as well. Then
Lonzo, they would love for him and

1587
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:08,199
improving his game in that regard,
but he's been you know, all worsers

1588
01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:10,520
to the paint for most of his
career, so he's usually more of like

1589
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:14,199
a facilitator than uh, you know, maybe catch a pass and then or

1590
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:18,640
another one versus you know, actually
driving. So they need playmaking. And

1591
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,880
so unless you think Nikhil, I
was gonna Walkers gonna makes this huge jump

1592
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,560
this year. They need it,
and I think you could you could do

1593
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:29,640
much worse than trying to put more
of that onto Zion and seeing what happens,

1594
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:30,800
right, I mean, so travel
by fire. I mean, let

1595
01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:35,279
these guys as long as you're not
giving them putting them pistons the where they're

1596
01:33:35,279 --> 01:33:38,640
going to develop that habits. I
mean, set him up for success and

1597
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,279
push the envelope. See what these
guys can do. And and Zion certainly

1598
01:33:42,359 --> 01:33:45,359
no different. Yeah, it seems
just like he's already making good decisions when

1599
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,840
he's like going downhill, and so
just the idea of like he's like basically

1600
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,199
a tornado with dancers feet until the
idea of just getting him in more positions

1601
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:57,399
where he's going to be able to
like get downhill and force him I guess,

1602
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,840
yeah, you have to make more
decisions were complicated as in those situations.

1603
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,479
I would just like to see it
because that does you know, I

1604
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,000
think if he's able to do that, that just has such a huge pack

1605
01:34:05,119 --> 01:34:08,680
on a huge impact on the way
that they're able to run their offense.

1606
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:14,199
Then yeah, yep. So for
brandon Ingram we kind of already touched on

1607
01:34:14,319 --> 01:34:17,279
this that we both just I think
that he's closer to as normal than not.

1608
01:34:17,359 --> 01:34:21,800
When looking at last season, he
wasn't like taking these crazy off the

1609
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:26,239
dribble threes. It was just a
matter of really improving like his set percentage.

1610
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,399
He's always felt like, you know, dating back to his time of

1611
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:30,680
the Lakers, I felt like he
always was able to get to his spots.

1612
01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:32,800
It just felt like a lot of
those shots were like finally falling last

1613
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,680
year. There's the you know,
the free throw percentage jump was huge,

1614
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,399
but they're also like their free throws, and so like if you can shoot

1615
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,560
threes, like, why can't you
improve your your free throws? So like,

1616
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,479
what are you like looking for him
looking for from him this season.

1617
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,479
Is it a matter of just being
better on defense because he was so bad,

1618
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,359
or is there something to the idea
that hey, maybe now that you

1619
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:58,439
have Zion full time that it could
end up impacting Ingram's influence over the offense.

1620
01:35:00,119 --> 01:35:04,039
It's gonna sound a little similar to
Zion because I defense is where I'm

1621
01:35:04,039 --> 01:35:08,079
looking first. Because uh, and
I think we'll get to this as well.

1622
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:11,279
The Pelicans don't exactly have a ton
of depth on the wing, which

1623
01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:17,159
is which is I'm a broken record
over the last decade of Pelicans basketball because

1624
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:20,640
that's always been a problem. And
the last time they gave a big money

1625
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,279
contract to a wing with Solomon Hill. So it probably tells you all you

1626
01:35:24,319 --> 01:35:27,840
needs to know there. But but
but yeah, I mean, so defense

1627
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,600
matters. Uh, He's he was
kind of like that, the lack of

1628
01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:34,760
effort on the defensive end. He
was during the bubble. He was certainly

1629
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:41,479
a centerpiece to that. He does
well in one on one match of situations

1630
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,920
a lot of times. I mean, I think the example of people who

1631
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:48,640
defending room defense will point to a
lot is he. He did really well

1632
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,960
get for Zinga's last year. I
don't know how to explain it, but

1633
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:56,079
he defended him very well. And
he does guys that are similar to him

1634
01:35:56,079 --> 01:36:00,560
and that they're not super quick and
but and but he he can use his

1635
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,680
length to really disrupt and cause problems. I think he can do that in

1636
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:09,920
nicely some situations. But he kind
of loses loses people when off the ball.

1637
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,319
His focus can can sometimes slip,
and he's not he's not the super

1638
01:36:15,039 --> 01:36:18,319
freak athlete type guy. He's just
you know, he's he he kind of

1639
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:21,920
goes to the motions sometimes, so
so I think that's that's the area.

1640
01:36:23,039 --> 01:36:25,800
But I think I think if he
gets the right coaching, if he gets

1641
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:30,199
put in, you know, if
Stan can really make an impact on him.

1642
01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:33,439
He's got the he's got the wingspan, he's got the ability to to

1643
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:39,319
be good, and so so we'll
see if if that can start to the

1644
01:36:39,359 --> 01:36:42,000
switch can start to flip on that
end. But but really, yeah,

1645
01:36:42,039 --> 01:36:45,439
I think I agree with your assessment
at him offensively and his his improvement that

1646
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,359
I think the reason I'm buying him
so much is that it wasn't like he

1647
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:54,560
just had some random erratic jump in
one area. It must except for maybe

1648
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:58,520
three point shooting, but I think
even there, he he showed enough to

1649
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:02,279
think that that that and improvement in
three point shooting is sustainable, and he's

1650
01:37:02,319 --> 01:37:05,640
certainly good enough to warrant teams paying
attention to him when he spots up.

1651
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:13,119
But he he really improves this game
across the board statistically on both volume and

1652
01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:17,359
efficiency, and so I'm looking for
him to continue to, you know,

1653
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:21,880
to try to improve his ability to
create for others as well putting the ball

1654
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:26,600
in his hands, running him at
some point forward sets and seeing what he

1655
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,079
can do there. But but but
but yeah, I mean I think I'm

1656
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:34,840
looking forward to h to an improved
season from him, you know, hopefully

1657
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:39,199
on both ends. Yeah. And
the other thing too, is like,

1658
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,079
during his latter two seasons in LA, like he was basically close to the

1659
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,520
version of the player that he became
in New Orleans before his injuries, where

1660
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,880
he was shooting like, okay volume, it wasn't like his higher volume,

1661
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,760
but he was hitting his threes.
And so that's what really made me kind

1662
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:56,000
of buy into it too. Is
like, if he's had like longer stretches

1663
01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:00,359
of more efficient offense, higher volume
offense before it's just injuries railed it.

1664
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,520
It was like, oh, this
is the product of what happens when he's

1665
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:09,079
healthy for the entire season. This
is the question I've been burning to ask

1666
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:12,640
you though, As you know,
before the start of the pod Lonzo Ball.

1667
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,680
What makes him so divisive not just
in general, but amongst the Pelicans

1668
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:20,359
fan base specifically. I'll see you
having like like they'll come across my TL

1669
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:25,479
and just ram You're having like heated
debates with all these different people about Lonzo

1670
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:27,760
Ball. And I know sham it
will have them too, and it just

1671
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:31,520
it fascinates me because his play style
is confusing to me, and I don't

1672
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,000
know how I view him long term. I don't necessarily like him for this

1673
01:38:35,159 --> 01:38:39,520
team. It feels like they need
someone who could do more than just be

1674
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,920
this like guy who ferries them into
these you know, open floor transition opportunities.

1675
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,960
They need like more of an actual
like half court point guard. But

1676
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:49,920
can you explain to me, like
where this what's the root of this division

1677
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:55,760
in New Orleans. Look, the
fact of the matter is that when the

1678
01:38:56,039 --> 01:38:59,600
Anthonyavis strait happened, there are a
lot of a lot of Los Angeles fans

1679
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:03,000
who love the young guys, and
some of them came over to support the

1680
01:39:03,279 --> 01:39:06,640
Pelicans, which is which is great. But at the same time, there

1681
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:14,119
are some maybe dissenting opinions around around
the abilities of those Lakers players. And

1682
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:17,000
I will be the first to say
that I sorely underestimated Brandon Ingram and I

1683
01:39:17,079 --> 01:39:19,159
think a lot of I mean a
lot of people. Naturally, I'm not

1684
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:21,279
saying I was. I was not
alone on the silin like a lot of

1685
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:25,399
people were like, M, I
don't know about the I and he proved

1686
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,600
everyone wrong, most of the players
the hero ward. I mean, the

1687
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,640
difference with with Lonzo is it's about
it's not about his abilities as much as

1688
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,680
it was what he does well.
And so I you know, I've been

1689
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:41,000
pretty adamant over the last you know, a few months, a year even

1690
01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:43,880
really about what I think Lonzo is
and what do I think he's not,

1691
01:39:44,039 --> 01:39:47,319
And a lot of his the fan
base that supports him so strongly this I

1692
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,720
think, vehemently disagrees with that assessment. So you know, I'm of the

1693
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,680
opinion based on what I've seen.
You know, he doesn't he doesn't get

1694
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,800
into the paint. When he does, he often turns the ball over.

1695
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,439
He's you know, he doesn't like
to get foul. He's not a good

1696
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,840
free throw shooter. He doesn't do
a lot of the things even close to

1697
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:09,000
passable that a point guard should should
be able to do. And so and

1698
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:13,439
when you're that bad at some of
those things, you rarely see players at

1699
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,560
that, I get go to good. Maybe he can get to blow average

1700
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,479
or even average and some of those
things, which would be fantastic, but

1701
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:24,880
he's I don't never expect him to
be good or at penetrating and driving and

1702
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,640
kicking or driving and getting getting drawing
fouls, going to free to line things

1703
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,199
like that. What I do think
he's really good at is that same type

1704
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:34,600
of point guard responsibilities in transition.
He's great at at, you know,

1705
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:41,119
catching outlets and looking up floor immediately
and creating mismatches. He's and obviously Zion

1706
01:40:41,239 --> 01:40:44,760
exacerbates that ability. I mean it's
a perfect pairing and transition those two.

1707
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,560
He's great at you know catching uh, you know, catching a path from

1708
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:54,560
a point guard and immediately looking and
finding the right next path to make.

1709
01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:58,640
He's shown that he can really improve
his three point shooting ability. He's worked

1710
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:02,399
with Fred Bentsen Telloking assistant coach extensively
there and the results are pretty pretty apparent.

1711
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,920
So he's doing He does a lot
of good things. They're just not

1712
01:41:06,199 --> 01:41:10,279
I just don't seem with the point
guard and that that creates a lot of

1713
01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:14,560
device in this amongst some some fans. But I think he's a very interesting

1714
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,760
case man. We find it out
today that he's not going to be They're

1715
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,640
not going to reach an extent him
before risktick the creators the next summer,

1716
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:24,239
which comes as no surprise to most
people who are following the team closely.

1717
01:41:24,359 --> 01:41:27,680
But but I think it's going to
be very interesting year for Lonzo, and

1718
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:30,439
I don't I mean, I think
he helps the team a lot. I

1719
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,920
think if New Orleans gets a sense
that they're gonna he's gonna cost much more

1720
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:38,560
than they're willing to give him,
then they may look look at other options.

1721
01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:43,239
But again, I think if he
if he's in the right role,

1722
01:41:43,319 --> 01:41:46,840
which is how standing Gunn he has
talked about him, then he can be

1723
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:50,960
successful. The question is is he
worth what he might get on the open

1724
01:41:51,039 --> 01:41:55,840
market? Yeah, And look,
I would say one young players can get

1725
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:59,520
better. But if you're looking at
Martel Faults getting fifty million dollars and knowing

1726
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:03,720
that lawns Ball right now is a
better player, it seems like not signing

1727
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,920
him to an extension was a good
decision for both player and team at this

1728
01:42:08,039 --> 01:42:11,479
point because he's clearly gonna get more
money in the market. And I was

1729
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:15,600
really high on him for most of
last year. And I'm not trying to

1730
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:16,840
bring this all back to rankings,
but I had him so high when I

1731
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:21,880
did the NBA one hundred rankings basically
solo at the end of the first regular

1732
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:26,000
season before the bubble and then when
I was watching him in the bubble and

1733
01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:28,279
then digging into it for the latest
version that I did, and we also

1734
01:42:28,399 --> 01:42:31,960
had like a larger panel the concept. He dropped more so than any like

1735
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:36,880
any single player from like the end
of last season until now. So like

1736
01:42:38,119 --> 01:42:40,479
it wasn't that one stretch that swayed
me. But when I went to go

1737
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:44,279
watch him more, I do really
like what he can do in the open

1738
01:42:44,319 --> 01:42:45,960
floor. I actually I feel like
he can be like he gives him so

1739
01:42:46,039 --> 01:42:49,359
many options on defense as well that
could help them, I think long term.

1740
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:53,520
But I just don't you mentioned it
already, and I don't want to

1741
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,159
like just be labor that point.
But they need him, I don't.

1742
01:42:56,159 --> 01:43:00,159
I don't see the player that they
need in the half cord like he looks,

1743
01:43:00,199 --> 01:43:03,279
so I don't know if it's uncomfortable
or indecisive when he gets into the

1744
01:43:03,359 --> 01:43:06,880
lane and he he shot thirty three
point nine percent on drives last year,

1745
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,640
and so like his volume is is
one thing where it's like he still doesn't

1746
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,680
necessarily see him like he wants to
be super aggressive with shooting, but like

1747
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:17,000
to have that level of non finishing
from your point guard when he's inside the

1748
01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:19,680
arc, and like, you know, trying to break down defenses is just

1749
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:24,840
it feels like it's going to be
a huge conundrum for them. And I

1750
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,159
don't want to bring everything back to
the money, but you know, you've

1751
01:43:27,159 --> 01:43:30,800
already paid brandon Ingram, Like it
gets to a point where now you're just

1752
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,760
reinvesting in all these young players before
you're necessarily a fully finished product. And

1753
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:38,199
you have Josh Hart to think of
two, who's really important to this team,

1754
01:43:38,319 --> 01:43:41,119
And so I feel like he just
is going to end up being in

1755
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:45,600
a lot of trade rumors this year. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you

1756
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,760
brought apart because he the guy who
I feel like is maybe doesn't get the

1757
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:55,000
respect he deserves nationally for what what
he what he does. And so I'm

1758
01:43:55,039 --> 01:44:00,680
not saying that he's they're definitely going
to be even starting to hard at any

1759
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,640
point in his career. I sure
hope you will. But he's what he

1760
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:09,199
can do defensively, rebounding, shooting, and the hustle I think is most

1761
01:44:09,319 --> 01:44:12,199
it's most important, or not most
important, but it's one of the things

1762
01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:15,439
that I think is maybe most underappreciated
with him. And he's he's one hundred

1763
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:18,560
ten percent every single end of the
game, and it is really inspiring to

1764
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,880
see and I think every team could
use a player like him, and so

1765
01:44:23,039 --> 01:44:27,119
I am I'm still very curious to
see if we if something breaks while we're

1766
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:29,800
recording about whether or not the Pelicans
will agree to an extent with him.

1767
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:32,359
I honestly have no clue. I
expected they wouldn't with Londo for all the

1768
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:35,439
reasons that you and I both discussed
about how far apart they both sides would

1769
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:41,279
be. But yeah, well I
think there's uh, you know, there's

1770
01:44:41,319 --> 01:44:44,760
more of a chance they can agree, especially now if they locked in Steven

1771
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,399
Adams, and it seems like they've
got a direction around whether or not they

1772
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,520
think they'll be they'll want to be
a cap team or a you know,

1773
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:54,720
or over the cap team, but
who knows. Well, I guess we'll

1774
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:58,239
see. Yeah, And you don't
have to talk me into Josh Hard And

1775
01:44:58,359 --> 01:45:00,359
that's why if you can't sign them
to anx engine, you might want to,

1776
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,359
just because there's gonna be a lot
of money floating around in the market

1777
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,760
next year and now there's just not
stars to spend it on, and so

1778
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:12,079
there's gonna be some teams that do
some reckless things and he's just the archetype

1779
01:45:12,079 --> 01:45:14,239
of player. Yeah, or maybe
he's a little bit under size for a

1780
01:45:14,319 --> 01:45:16,680
wing, but what he's gonna give
you defensively, and then like, yeah,

1781
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:18,720
it's three pointspluce have kind of been
all over the place, but he

1782
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:23,079
can hit like defenses have to respect
a three point shot. I would expect

1783
01:45:23,159 --> 01:45:28,600
him to be able to find really
significant offers. The next thing I want

1784
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:31,960
to ask you about was what type
of role does Jackson Hayes play this year?

1785
01:45:32,279 --> 01:45:35,840
And is it larger? Could it
be smaller than last year? Just

1786
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:41,039
because now you don't have one an
injury prone Derek Favors factoring into the front

1787
01:45:41,079 --> 01:45:43,800
court rotation, and you've replaced him
with Steven Adams, who you are at

1788
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,319
least you know you're somewhat invested in
because you did extend him. Yeah,

1789
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:50,800
I mean, I like Jackson Hayes
a lot. I think he's still a

1790
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:55,960
child like And I say that because
he didn't even start playing basketball and play

1791
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:59,479
it was like thirteen fourteen years old, So he's he's nineteen or twenty right

1792
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,359
now, but he's of a younger
nine year and twenty if that's possible to

1793
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:05,000
even say, and you'd expect,
and so he did get portun into a

1794
01:46:05,079 --> 01:46:09,199
world that was probably too much for
him last year with the Favors injury.

1795
01:46:09,239 --> 01:46:12,439
I mean, he was, he's
flashy, he can don't he can block

1796
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:16,199
shots, he's got, he's very
he's very long. But he's still learn

1797
01:46:16,359 --> 01:46:18,600
very much learning how to play the
game at the NBA level, And so

1798
01:46:19,399 --> 01:46:23,640
if he takes a step back in
minute this year, I wouldn't say a

1799
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,640
bad thing. I am very much
looking forward to, like I mentioned briefly

1800
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:31,439
earlier, seeing him work against guys
like work on the glass against Steven Adams,

1801
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,439
Zion, even Hernan Gomez there.
I mean, I think it's gonna

1802
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,840
get a bunch of challenges in practice, and I'm hoping that can really,

1803
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:41,359
you know, help help his ex
play his learning curve, even if it

1804
01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:45,319
doesn't play as much. But I
mean, I think he's still I give,

1805
01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:49,079
I'd say he's right now the fourth
big on this team, behind behind

1806
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:53,399
Mellie, especially if you want to
give Zion spot minutes at the five as

1807
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:58,079
well. You know, so I
could see his minutes being inconsistent, but

1808
01:46:58,119 --> 01:47:00,720
I don't see that as a reflection
on his potential as a player for this

1809
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,600
New Orleans team. I just think
he's he's young and he's still learning,

1810
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:06,640
and so I could see a pretty
wide range of outcomes for you know,

1811
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:10,920
his his total minutes for New Orleans
this year. I could see him falling

1812
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,479
behind her nand go out in the
depth chart just because they want more rebounding

1813
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,479
or but I mean, I think
that's an unlikely outcome. But but I

1814
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:24,199
think or even Gabriel too, I
mean they I think the Pelicans signed those

1815
01:47:24,199 --> 01:47:28,399
guys to be practice bought as much
as anything else, maybe her Nails more

1816
01:47:28,399 --> 01:47:30,840
so than Gabriel. I think Gabriel
the may maybe have a little bit may

1817
01:47:30,079 --> 01:47:34,239
fit a little bit better with the
standing on these styled and uh, and

1818
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:38,600
there could be a reason for that
signing. But but yeah, I mean,

1819
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,680
I think you know, it's going
to be a longer row with with

1820
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:45,680
Hayes, and I don't want to
rush to conclusions too soon. Is there

1821
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,319
do you see the outline of a
good defender there? I know you mentioned

1822
01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:50,119
his shop blocking. Is it just
like sort of magic, a matter of

1823
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:54,760
him settling down and like making better
decisions, not you know, fouling as

1824
01:47:54,840 --> 01:48:00,640
much. Yeah, yeah, I
mean I think I guess I mean the

1825
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,439
defense, I think take maybe takes
a little bit longer to learn in the

1826
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:06,359
NBA level than offense. And I
think that that's the hope, right.

1827
01:48:06,399 --> 01:48:11,560
I mean, if you're if you're
going to draft a five that high,

1828
01:48:12,039 --> 01:48:15,079
you've got to see it defensively as
a guy who can really make a difference.

1829
01:48:15,159 --> 01:48:19,880
And so if not, then you're
drafting a guy who if he talks,

1830
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:21,960
if you think he topped out of
as a medio over a defender who

1831
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,399
isn't that great of a shooter,
I where's its world in the league?

1832
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:28,399
So or at least it's a top
ten pick, and so I think I

1833
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,319
think that Potencil is still very much
there. So we kind of touched on

1834
01:48:31,399 --> 01:48:35,520
this already. How concerning is the
dearth of wings here? Because Ingram is

1835
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,800
their only true wing? And then
I throw Josh Hart in there just because

1836
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,680
you have to, and like,
yeah, you have to, Yeah,

1837
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,920
But like what what happens from there, Like is when you Gabriel gonna get

1838
01:48:45,279 --> 01:48:48,840
like minutes at the three? Is
Thornwell going to factor into this? I

1839
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:53,960
like Gabriel, Like I feel like
if you you know, tapped into his

1840
01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:57,119
veins, there'd be like red bull
coursing through them. He just plays with

1841
01:48:57,239 --> 01:49:00,039
that type of energy. But I
don't like him at the three necessary I

1842
01:49:00,119 --> 01:49:02,920
really maybe, so, like,
what is this what is happening with this

1843
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,079
team? Are were going to see? Like maybe is it more likely that

1844
01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:08,920
we see some players playoff where it's
like, you know, Nikki Alexander Walker

1845
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:12,800
looks like a day facto wing at
some points. I'm just I'm so confused

1846
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,279
looking at their death charts. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so that's

1847
01:49:15,319 --> 01:49:19,199
that's one of the questions, right, is you the Pelicans by virtually the

1848
01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:25,439
Steven Adams move, they restricted themselves
because of the tax line too, because

1849
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,640
they still have to do I think
that's all of the mid level and so,

1850
01:49:29,159 --> 01:49:31,760
but they can't use it because they
have there may be a tax teams

1851
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,079
they sign one more player, the
only a fourteen guys in the roster right

1852
01:49:34,119 --> 01:49:39,560
now. So I mean there's there's
a decent number of reasons to expect there'll

1853
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,760
be a trade in season which would
make Woods would change the calculus there.

1854
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,359
But but I mean, yeah,
there's a question of So they went and

1855
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:49,560
signed two big fa minimum are in
Gabriel and her names, but they didn't

1856
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:54,880
touch the wing other than Dormball and
so will I do. The team clearly

1857
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,239
likes based on a couple of preseason
games, they see him playing a role

1858
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:00,760
on the So I think you'll see
that for Thornwall. I think, like

1859
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:04,039
you said, it's a fair assessment
around Josh Harp maybe getting minutes of the

1860
01:50:04,119 --> 01:50:08,439
three. But I think, more
more than anything, you see a lot

1861
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,239
of three guard lineups. I think
that there there won't be shy to play,

1862
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:15,159
you know, the play Reddick alongside
blood So and Lonzo. The nice

1863
01:50:15,159 --> 01:50:17,600
thing about Lonzo is he's able.
He's six to six, He's able to

1864
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:21,159
guard a little bit bigger, not
not in the same way that Drew Holiday

1865
01:50:21,279 --> 01:50:24,840
was. I mean, Drew Holiday
one of the best kept sepercids in the

1866
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:26,920
league. That kind of isn't that
much the sever anymore. As hell,

1867
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:29,119
well, if he can't defend the
post, again, it's pretty much anybody.

1868
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,319
And so yeah, that's not really
something you're going to see from many

1869
01:50:31,359 --> 01:50:35,840
of the other guards in the team. But they've got some versatility to play

1870
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:41,560
some three guard blinds and still be
possible defensively. So I think that's you

1871
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,640
know, that's that's what I would
expect more than anything else. I would

1872
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:48,079
not expect that the guy like Gabriel
to play play the three as much as

1873
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:51,239
I think heart Storm well, and
then three guard line ups come out.

1874
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:55,279
Yeah, I didn't even that's like
something that even really factor it is.

1875
01:50:55,279 --> 01:50:58,039
I just looked at as Oh Drew
left, like that's one person last that

1876
01:50:58,079 --> 01:51:00,760
could defend wings. But as you
mentioned, like what he can do in

1877
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:02,880
the post too, they're just so
kind of all over the place defensively,

1878
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,039
now is this? I guess like
that's the other thing is like what do

1879
01:51:06,079 --> 01:51:10,439
you kind of see for this team
defensively? See cleaning the glass out of

1880
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:13,359
it in nineteen in points allot per
possession overall, and there's you know,

1881
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,520
we could dig into like the specifics
of what was happening there. But are

1882
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,840
they built to improve on that is
there? Do they have a lower floor

1883
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:21,640
now somehow? Do you expect them
to be right around the same area or

1884
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:26,520
do you have any sort of feel
for what they could be defensively? Yeah?

1885
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,239
I mean I think the easy way
to say it is I expect to

1886
01:51:30,279 --> 01:51:33,239
be similar to last year. I
think they got they got worse defensively.

1887
01:51:33,239 --> 01:51:36,600
I don't think they got tremendously worse. I mean I think I think Steven

1888
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:42,319
Adams is an upgrade on Favorites defensively, but i'm I'm I think one of

1889
01:51:42,359 --> 01:51:45,279
them. I think I saw that
argument in your timeline as well. Not

1890
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:48,880
to interject, but had an impact
on their defense. But I agree that

1891
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,600
he just wasn't the way he was
moving. And I don't know if his

1892
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:55,600
back was an issue all season or
something, but he just doesn't move the

1893
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:58,880
same. And Adams is like surprisingly
nimble for someone his side, right,

1894
01:51:59,319 --> 01:52:01,079
Yeah, fully agree, And yeah, I mean, Favors was the only

1895
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:06,079
above average defender they had and inside
and so he his on off numbers looked

1896
01:52:06,119 --> 01:52:08,880
good. But you know, I
think he was fine. I don't think

1897
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,520
he was great. His his win
protection numbers were awful last year, way

1898
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,159
worse than what he had what he
had in Utah, And like you said,

1899
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:16,159
the mobility was not was not there, and so so I mean,

1900
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:23,119
so I think the upgrade to add
to Adam helps. Obviously the move from

1901
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:26,920
Drew to Blood so was the downgrade. But I think, like many has

1902
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,840
said, it's less of a down
grade in the regular season. It's going

1903
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,039
to show more in the playoffs and
particularly fro Milwaukee. I think maybe Latch

1904
01:52:32,119 --> 01:52:38,840
wasn't oral. But but but but
I think you know, I think they

1905
01:52:39,399 --> 01:52:43,079
they have young players who should,
in theory improve, even if it's only

1906
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:45,880
marginally on that end. And most
of all, I think their style of

1907
01:52:46,039 --> 01:52:51,119
play this year is going to be
more aligned to a defense that's improved.

1908
01:52:51,159 --> 01:52:55,159
And so Sam and Gundy obviously you
know, he gives, he gives a

1909
01:52:55,159 --> 01:52:58,399
shit, he cares a lot about
defense. You know, the Falcons coaching

1910
01:52:58,399 --> 01:53:01,159
staff last year cared of defense,
but that wasn't obviously wasn't gentry sports techs.

1911
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:05,039
And so I think I think the
combination of the fact this team is

1912
01:53:05,079 --> 01:53:10,199
not going to be as crazy about
going getting out in transition and for going

1913
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:15,199
rebounding to do that and then save
and Gunny's coaching style. I think I

1914
01:53:15,279 --> 01:53:21,279
think this team should improve defensively stylistically, but I think they also have to

1915
01:53:21,359 --> 01:53:26,680
deal with a slight downgrade and defensive
talent. So you know, if you

1916
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,239
assume those two things relatively offset,
I say they come around. You know,

1917
01:53:30,399 --> 01:53:33,800
Lee average defensively this year, assuming
help because but again you wanted the

1918
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:38,479
same problem. Steven has been an
ironman of sorts, but if he if

1919
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:42,279
he missed his time, they're in
a bad spot. So, but I

1920
01:53:42,319 --> 01:53:44,239
mean you can said about a lot
of teams, right if they lose,

1921
01:53:44,279 --> 01:53:46,159
If they lose one guy on one
end of the floor and there they're you

1922
01:53:46,199 --> 01:53:50,119
know, they're gonna struggle. So
so we'll think looking at some of their

1923
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:57,399
younger players, specifically the two most
important ones, Kyra Lewis and Nikiel Alexander

1924
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:00,680
Walker. What type of roles do
you envision for them? If any like

1925
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,520
or is you know, isna like
guaranteed minutes this year? Are they going

1926
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,880
to give Kyra Lewis the the Nikiel
treatment that they gave him last year where

1927
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:11,079
didn't really play. I remained most
fascinated by he was just someone I zero

1928
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:15,960
in before the draft last year.
Nikkiel Alexander Walker. I remained so fascinated

1929
01:54:15,039 --> 01:54:17,600
by his game. It feels like
it could be a little chaotic, but

1930
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:21,720
when he has under control, there's
just the outline of a really good NBA

1931
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:25,399
player there. So is he going
to have a shot to get regular minutes

1932
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:28,079
or do you think he kind of
falls through the cracks a little bit more?

1933
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,039
Because they do have veterans, like
you know, you have Reddeck,

1934
01:54:30,119 --> 01:54:32,600
you have you have Letzo, you
have Lonzo there and even Hart, you

1935
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,760
know, if there are any minutes
for him to log at the two because

1936
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,399
for some reason they have an excess
of wings, which they clearly don't.

1937
01:54:40,119 --> 01:54:43,439
Yeah, I mean, I think
I would be surprised if NA doesn't have

1938
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:46,119
a spot in the rotation. I
mean, I think Kiro will be.

1939
01:54:47,039 --> 01:54:51,920
I think your assessment about him having
them getting the NA treatment from last year

1940
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:57,920
is fairly accurate. But you know, I think NA lost his minutes to

1941
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,359
Frank Jackson, who I think is
not a good player at all. But

1942
01:55:00,479 --> 01:55:03,640
I think at the same time,
the Pelicans wanted to I guess no for

1943
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:08,079
sure before they moved on from him, and they and they saw that after

1944
01:55:08,319 --> 01:55:12,960
despite the good summer league and preseason
that Nah had last year, he didn't.

1945
01:55:13,359 --> 01:55:15,319
He did everything he could to throw
his minutes away once they gave him

1946
01:55:15,319 --> 01:55:18,000
to him the regular season, like
he was not good. But I mean,

1947
01:55:18,039 --> 01:55:20,479
I think I think your points are
fair, Like I don't. I

1948
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:24,640
think he's got a good chance to
be really good in this league, and

1949
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:27,920
I think they're going to give another
chance here to you know that Frank Jackson's

1950
01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:32,760
not not there to take his minutes
away, and really not a lot otherwise

1951
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:36,520
it's changed as far as who's in
front of him and the Pelicans backcourt,

1952
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:41,680
uh other than you know. Therefore, I think Tyra is probably in a

1953
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:44,920
red shirt season of shorts. He's
he's still he's still pretty pretty young.

1954
01:55:45,039 --> 01:55:48,000
I would be I would love to
get him to see him get some minutes,

1955
01:55:48,039 --> 01:55:53,520
but I could also see them just
bring him along fairly slowly and so

1956
01:55:54,319 --> 01:55:57,840
uh so, yeah, I mean, I'm hoping that we seem not to

1957
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,880
take a take a step forward this
year. But yeah, I mean,

1958
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:03,880
and another I guess small thing is
they each want Morris gone now. So

1959
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:08,359
he was very his minutes were all
over the place. I mean, I

1960
01:56:08,439 --> 01:56:11,279
think he helped the Pelicans, made
them better, but also I think they

1961
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,439
at some point they wanted to see
some of the younger guys get some playing

1962
01:56:14,479 --> 01:56:17,359
time. But now that he's he's
gone, that does open up a few

1963
01:56:17,359 --> 01:56:21,680
more minutes in the backcourt. So
so I think that that'll be something I

1964
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:25,600
expect to see as well. But
I mean, I think I think fans

1965
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:28,520
might be based on what we see
in the preseason. I think fans who

1966
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,319
are looking to see the young guys
might get a little frustrated with like foremost

1967
01:56:31,359 --> 01:56:35,720
minutes compared to to Nick Keels or
Kira's just because they like what they see

1968
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:39,520
from him sooner. But but yeah, I mean, long story short,

1969
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:43,159
I'm hoping that we see na get
them get some minutes this year to see

1970
01:56:43,159 --> 01:56:45,800
if you can make improvements on last
year. Look, I don't know,

1971
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,039
like Thorl just hasn't played enough at
the NBA level. But if he's like

1972
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:50,640
his three points when he's have been
wild, if he can just hit wide

1973
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,840
open threes, I don't think there
should be a problem with him getting minutes.

1974
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:57,439
But I was also of the blittle
preseason basketball I did catch. I

1975
01:56:57,479 --> 01:57:00,920
think it was Pelicans Miami. I'm
like Cannah and deer himself to the rotation

1976
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,199
by hitting consistently set threes, because
that's what he did in that game.

1977
01:57:03,239 --> 01:57:05,000
I think he will from what I
saw, he was hitting like two or

1978
01:57:05,039 --> 01:57:08,680
three of them, and just based
off what this team needs, Like if

1979
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:12,119
you can have someone who's going to
consistently just hit be an outlet for Zion

1980
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:14,199
off the catch, and then of
course he can put the ball on the

1981
01:57:14,279 --> 01:57:17,039
deck when he needs to. I
just wouldn't wonder what's the justification behind not

1982
01:57:17,159 --> 01:57:20,800
playing him in that scenario. But
as you said, yeah, bilably inefficient

1983
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:25,920
during his rookies, he's yeah,
well yeah, But also I mean tying

1984
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:29,920
this back to Lonzo, I mean, Naws, he's not afraid to drive

1985
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:32,439
and and create contact and get into
the paint, and he thrives on it.

1986
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,600
And so if he if he's doing
that and the Pelican saw many of

1987
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:40,000
the guards who are going to attack
the way he does, as long as

1988
01:57:40,039 --> 01:57:44,079
he can do it relatively efficiently and
create chaos, I mean, why not

1989
01:57:44,439 --> 01:57:48,359
let him try to improve up on
that. So the next thing I want

1990
01:57:48,359 --> 01:57:51,760
to get to is does this team
have like mid season turnover potential? And

1991
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:56,439
I kind of mean that from two
different perspectives, because I think if in

1992
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,279
their situation where after you trade a
player like Drew, the assumption will be

1993
01:57:59,319 --> 01:58:00,960
like, well, they're open I
did to maybe dealing some of their other

1994
01:58:01,039 --> 01:58:05,039
veterans for future assets, but like
you know, you need like eight pages

1995
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:09,439
to like have to go through all
their pick protections already, like they're kind

1996
01:58:09,479 --> 01:58:12,479
of set in that department. And
the other thing that I've considered, and

1997
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:15,079
I don't think this is novel.
I'm sure it's been a talking point,

1998
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,319
is that I feel like Zion's best
years could come earlier than normal just based

1999
01:58:18,319 --> 01:58:23,640
off how he plays like athletically,
and so would there be a push to

2000
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:26,960
I don't want to see them,
you know, miss handle their timeline like

2001
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:30,319
they did with Anthony Davis early on. But is there like a scenario where

2002
01:58:30,359 --> 01:58:33,000
maybe it's not the season, but
potentially over the offseason, where there's maybe

2003
01:58:33,039 --> 01:58:36,319
more of a push for them to
consolidate some of these assets just because they

2004
01:58:36,399 --> 01:58:40,319
recognize not only is Zion already good, but like we don't know what type

2005
01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:44,880
of player he's going to be at
twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty yeah

2006
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,439
es socially not Nate. Nate Stocking
said the same thing around Zion's timeline next.

2007
01:58:48,479 --> 01:58:53,000
But again, I think that that's
always been the question is when,

2008
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:57,600
right when you and I don't know
if next summer is the time. I

2009
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,800
feel like it's sometimes you're almost at
the murder see of other other teams,

2010
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:04,039
and so like, you know,
when does uh if you're banking on someone

2011
01:59:04,119 --> 01:59:09,399
like Towns like when he is he
asked out or even like uh, you

2012
01:59:09,439 --> 01:59:11,840
know, I think Devin Booker was
as a hot name and they went and

2013
01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:14,239
trade of Chris Paulis like, I
don't think that, you know, unless

2014
01:59:14,359 --> 01:59:17,159
something goes horribly wrong, I don't
think he's asking out anytime soon. But

2015
01:59:17,399 --> 01:59:20,319
I think that's kind of what they're
you know, they look they usually look

2016
01:59:20,359 --> 01:59:24,880
at the next disgruntled star, right
you can you can throw your in that

2017
01:59:25,079 --> 01:59:29,800
salary and throw some picks that And
so I think that's always been the thought

2018
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:33,159
process around accumulating all these draft picks
from the Lakers and Bucks and whoever.

2019
01:59:33,279 --> 01:59:39,119
Like, obviously those picks may not
look that great, but all it takes

2020
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:44,039
is one to really pan out.
And and so I mean, I think

2021
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:47,600
that I certainly think that's the that's
the approach. Just don't know what the

2022
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:50,680
exact timeline is on that. And
as far as you know, more immediate

2023
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:55,199
this this all or they're in season, I think there's certainly the potential for

2024
01:59:55,279 --> 01:59:58,560
that. You've got you've got player, a player like uh Jedia Reddick.

2025
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,159
If you don't see him staying in
there Rolands past this year and Pelicans aren't

2026
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:04,000
looking like they're going to be in
the thick of things, I mean,

2027
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:09,199
he could he could set something nice
from a team that's looking to make a

2028
02:00:09,279 --> 02:00:12,439
deeper playoff run. I don't know
how much you would get. I mean,

2029
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:15,600
you can make a pretty damnag argument
that Ji Reddick unplayable deeper in the

2030
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:17,880
playoffs because of the defense at this
point in his career. But but I

2031
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:21,279
mean, yeah, you could see
certain things like that, uh you know

2032
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:27,680
occur. I I think maybe the
only argument against it is that now you

2033
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:31,000
have this play in game, and
so as long as you're within directing distance

2034
02:00:31,039 --> 02:00:34,439
of the top ten, you can
at least make things interesting. And I

2035
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:38,399
think this Pelicans team would feel like, you know, as young as they

2036
02:00:38,439 --> 02:00:41,279
are, they're hopefully only going to
get better as the season goes on,

2037
02:00:41,479 --> 02:00:44,520
and they kind of adapt the standbat
going to the system, and you know,

2038
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:48,039
if they're healthy going into the play
a game, they probably would feel

2039
02:00:48,079 --> 02:00:53,399
like they can be anyone that that
they'd be matched up with there. And

2040
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:57,319
so I think they're not gonna punt
on that opportunity for like a couple of

2041
02:00:57,359 --> 02:01:01,000
second round picks for JJ. But
but I mean I certainly think that something

2042
02:01:01,079 --> 02:01:04,239
like that is on the table to
have some roster turnover or even that's what

2043
02:01:04,319 --> 02:01:09,640
like we talked about Wondo, like
if he's if they don't see that,

2044
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:12,640
if they do, I feel like
they're not willing to pay what they think

2045
02:01:13,039 --> 02:01:15,079
Lonzo is gonna get next summer,
especially, We'll give them what we're seeing

2046
02:01:15,159 --> 02:01:20,920
around other you know, other top
end talent getting locked into extensions and then

2047
02:01:21,039 --> 02:01:25,279
suddenly you've got all this cap space, but not many players can use it

2048
02:01:25,359 --> 02:01:29,119
on. That's a recipe for disaster
as a team if you've got a player

2049
02:01:29,159 --> 02:01:33,279
that you kind of like but not
yeah, like in love with so so

2050
02:01:33,439 --> 02:01:35,399
yeah, I mean this, This
is probably one of the more team the

2051
02:01:35,479 --> 02:01:41,119
teams in the league that's more right
for some mid season maneuvering. Do you

2052
02:01:41,159 --> 02:01:43,920
think it's more likely that Lnzo would
get traded mid season or that it would

2053
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:45,760
be a science trade scenario over the
summer with a team that might not have

2054
02:01:46,119 --> 02:01:53,159
a ton of cap space. That's
a good question. I haven't really thought

2055
02:01:53,319 --> 02:01:59,199
thought that far out, but I
would. I think I see it more

2056
02:01:59,319 --> 02:02:03,840
likely to happen and in season,
because I feel like there's the roads start

2057
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:09,399
to separate where it's either a Alonzo
started to figure some stuff out, he's

2058
02:02:09,439 --> 02:02:13,800
a key piece of what we're doing
here, or you just don't see it

2059
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:17,000
and they but you still have a
sneaking suspicion based on the talent that's available

2060
02:02:17,159 --> 02:02:20,720
next summer, that that he's going
to cost too much, and so why

2061
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:26,600
not move him to one of those
teams that maybe is willing to pay him

2062
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:30,800
that and they can you know that
maybe gives that team more options to to

2063
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:34,720
go to in free agency in addition
to Lonzo. So I think I lean

2064
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:41,960
towards the mid season, but in
sign and trade next offeason being less likely.

2065
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:45,479
All right, I'd be curious to
see what the market would be for

2066
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:47,199
him mid season where they might they
might need to wait for it to develop,

2067
02:02:47,319 --> 02:02:49,199
like for some teams to sort of
fall out of the race, because

2068
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:51,960
I don't know that I see like
obvious fits like Chicago's one, but I

2069
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:55,600
don't know what Chicago has a necessarily
interest New Orleans. But I'm just going

2070
02:02:55,640 --> 02:03:00,920
to be tracking the Lonzo situation and
your mentions all season. I know this

2071
02:03:01,079 --> 02:03:05,479
is funny, Oh go ahead.
It's funny when you mentioned the Bulls because

2072
02:03:06,079 --> 02:03:11,199
I had a couple of running comments
with some of the Bolts folks that I

2073
02:03:11,319 --> 02:03:14,800
know from up there and up and
up Pier Bowl where when you know,

2074
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:18,760
since I live in Chicago, about
they feel very similarly about Laurie market in

2075
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:23,680
as as New Orleans as people,
I don't you feel all about Lonzo?

2076
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:26,000
It's like, oh, let's just
flip them. But I don't know.

2077
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:31,319
I don't And it's a very intriguing
concept. I feel like because market and

2078
02:03:31,439 --> 02:03:33,600
can give you some of the force
based team, but a questions like how

2079
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:38,319
good do you think Laurie will I
can actually be what's the ceiling? So

2080
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:42,439
but it's just funny to hear about
fan base to talk about these two players,

2081
02:03:42,479 --> 02:03:45,119
because it sounds a lot alike.
Yeah, I had more been thinking

2082
02:03:45,159 --> 02:03:48,359
of, like would there be a
Lonzo plus like filler plus? Something small?

2083
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,880
Do they look at like a zach
Lavine? Was the framework. I

2084
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:54,479
wouldn't touch Larry Marketing, to be
honest with you, although I guess he

2085
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:57,880
would fit if you trust Zion's Like, I don't know how him and Zion

2086
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:00,079
worked defensively together, probably not at
all, but he doesn't obviously provide that

2087
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:04,239
floor spacing. This question is going
to be I'm sure fluid and purely matchup

2088
02:04:04,279 --> 02:04:08,279
base. But what do you think
is going to be their most common or

2089
02:04:08,319 --> 02:04:13,560
best closing unit this season? It's
boring, and but I think it's the

2090
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:18,079
starting lineup. I think it's it's
Blood Cell, Alonzo, Ingram, Zion

2091
02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:21,720
and Steven Adams. I mean,
you're going to see certain matchup plays where

2092
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:25,760
maybe they're gonna throw a hard and
error through JJ for certain plays. But

2093
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:30,000
but I think that's really most likely
unless certain players make make a jump.

2094
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:33,920
I don't expect like Nah or even
Melly, But but yeah, I mean

2095
02:04:34,399 --> 02:04:39,560
most most commonly, I don't see
a reason to go away from the away

2096
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:42,239
from the starting five six to close
things U unless you've got to get like

2097
02:04:42,319 --> 02:04:45,279
super switchy and think that it makes
sense to pull Adams out of there.

2098
02:04:46,119 --> 02:04:49,039
Yeah, I would be interested to
see if it's Zion at the five could

2099
02:04:49,039 --> 02:04:51,720
work and literally any of those situations. But if you need stops, then

2100
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:55,479
maybe that's where that becomes an issue, because all a sudden you have Brandon

2101
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:58,680
Ingram and power forward or something.
So that's that's not great. Is there

2102
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:01,359
a I have to get weird lineup
that you'd like to see them try at

2103
02:05:01,399 --> 02:05:05,319
some point this season? I mean, I'm a big fan of the three

2104
02:05:05,439 --> 02:05:12,039
yard h so like I feel like
I feel like Blood Sew with Lonzo and

2105
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:15,840
Josh hart Are is a lot of
fun, and then maybe going with uh,

2106
02:05:15,079 --> 02:05:18,800
you know, yeah, the the
most fun weird lineups, they're always

2107
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:21,239
the ones that tend to be terrible
on defense, right, like, yeah,

2108
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:26,199
it's it's and so like I'm going
with Heart and Lonzo because they can

2109
02:05:26,319 --> 02:05:29,640
give you some defense and they can
give you some rebounding from the guard positions,

2110
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:34,720
which is nice and but and and
you can they can space the floor

2111
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:38,520
and then you put Ingram at the
four and Zion at the five, that

2112
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:42,119
that can get fun. You better
get stopped in the perimeter though, because

2113
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:45,000
because once if a guy gets past
you, I'm not sure who's stopping him

2114
02:05:45,079 --> 02:05:48,720
inside. But but that would that
would be fun to me in itself,

2115
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:53,439
so like probably like Lakers fan Heaven
with the three with the three Lakers players

2116
02:05:53,479 --> 02:05:57,079
along with Zion and blood Sell.
But but but yeah, I mean that

2117
02:05:57,319 --> 02:06:00,640
one's fun. And hey, I
mean I would the I mean, the

2118
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:04,840
most fun idea, right is not
being being legit and having taken a huge

2119
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:09,359
leap in year two because he's got
he's got the skill set. That is

2120
02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:13,920
fun if he if he turns out
to be good and so I guess that's

2121
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:15,199
the X factor. But for now, yeah, that's what I'll go in.

2122
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:19,079
So mine was and I think I
built one that would be combustible at

2123
02:06:19,079 --> 02:06:23,119
both ends of the floor, which
I think is proof that it's super weird.

2124
02:06:24,199 --> 02:06:28,840
Is Ingram Zion heart non Reddick and
you don't have a point guard in

2125
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:30,840
there. But I'm just wondering if
they can get enough out of Like,

2126
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:32,840
look, Reddick is run pick and
rolls over the past like few years.

2127
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:35,159
Pretty well, I'm wondering if you
could get any out of Noah. There's

2128
02:06:35,279 --> 02:06:39,640
Ingram obviously and some Zion, but
I think it's not even just a matter

2129
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:41,760
of oh, they'll be bad on
defense. There's a chance they'd be really

2130
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:44,479
bad on defense. There's a chance
that they'd be terrible on offense as well.

2131
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,760
I think see, I think now
the point guard, I mean,

2132
02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:50,479
I guess we haven't seen enough to
him at the NBA level of truly no

2133
02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:56,039
obsisition is going to play besides his
combo guard, but I mean he's I

2134
02:06:56,159 --> 02:06:58,399
want to get him the benefit of
the doubt and commno point guard until he

2135
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:01,520
gives me enough of a reason to
not do that. Yeah, well,

2136
02:07:01,560 --> 02:07:03,319
hey, you don't have to talk
me into it. I was swoon if

2137
02:07:03,319 --> 02:07:08,279
I saw that light up. So
what's the realistic win total? And Western

2138
02:07:08,359 --> 02:07:11,159
Conference finished for this teams. The
last time I looked at there over under,

2139
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:14,560
they're at thirty five point five.
And for people like myself who cannot

2140
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:16,760
think in terms of seventy two games, that's the equivalent of about a forty

2141
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:21,239
win season. So where do you
sort of land on that front? I

2142
02:07:21,319 --> 02:07:25,720
mean, that's that's about where I
am. I think I think the team's

2143
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:30,159
most likely outcome is something just just
under five hundred, and I think I

2144
02:07:30,199 --> 02:07:33,840
still think they're one of the top
ten teams in the West, and so

2145
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:38,720
I still I can have them in
the play and conversation. I mean,

2146
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:43,279
because I think, I mean,
the the hard the hard part is obviously

2147
02:07:43,399 --> 02:07:47,479
what the hell's going on with Houston, But I mean I've got them like

2148
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:51,159
just like a game or two hunder
five hundred I think is the most again,

2149
02:07:51,199 --> 02:07:56,680
most realistic. But this team's got
a a fairly wide range develop coomes

2150
02:07:56,680 --> 02:08:01,079
and the stars and ends of Zion's
hell. So we assume like a relatively

2151
02:08:01,159 --> 02:08:07,520
healthy season for for Zion, then
then the variability stern deviation shrinks a decent

2152
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:11,079
amount. But uh, but yeah, not not a sex not a sexy

2153
02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:15,000
choice, but it is, like
you know, I think that the West

2154
02:08:15,159 --> 02:08:18,359
is so deep that it's hard to
see the Pelicans making a huge dent unless

2155
02:08:18,399 --> 02:08:22,479
they get like a you know,
unless Zion turns into this like top fifteen

2156
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:28,560
NBA player in year two and and
hey, that's it's I guess that's that's

2157
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:31,880
not totally outland. This Zion is
just a freaking nature. But let me

2158
02:08:33,079 --> 02:08:35,399
look at like Lakers, Clippers,
Nuggets, uh, you know, Jazz

2159
02:08:37,359 --> 02:08:39,279
Blazers. I mean, I think
all six of those teams are comfortably better

2160
02:08:41,439 --> 02:08:45,359
this year. I think, right, yeah, I mean like I'm I

2161
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:48,680
kind of I went I think a
little too far after the Chris Poual trade

2162
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:50,319
because I was like, oh wait, hold on, depth matters this year

2163
02:08:50,439 --> 02:08:56,079
more than a lot of years because
you have games happening relatively quickly during a

2164
02:08:56,119 --> 02:09:01,000
pandemic, and so the Suns don't
have much pass there their top. So

2165
02:09:01,279 --> 02:09:03,479
I mean, you've got Eyton Booker, Chris Paul and Bridges and then after

2166
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:07,079
that it gets real dicey, real
fast. And so I'm I'm you know,

2167
02:09:07,279 --> 02:09:11,039
I like them as a playoff team. I don't know if I love

2168
02:09:11,079 --> 02:09:13,640
them as much as I did before
or on like like I'm strolling if I'm

2169
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,279
gonna make like a crazy bet.
It's that the Blazers are a top four

2170
02:09:16,319 --> 02:09:20,800
seed this year. I feel I
think that's a deep, good team that's

2171
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:24,600
going to be a really good regular
season team too, and so like that's

2172
02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:28,159
but but yeah, I mean,
like I still think and this is the

2173
02:09:28,199 --> 02:09:31,039
weird, the weird liberry that's becoming
a thing for New Orleans fans. It's

2174
02:09:31,079 --> 02:09:33,399
the Grizzlies, because Grizzlies fans,
you are getting so annoyed with Zion getting

2175
02:09:33,399 --> 02:09:37,079
all the type and John not getting
nearly the same coverage, and like as

2176
02:09:37,119 --> 02:09:39,880
if New Orleans Rangers, like you
just put your hands and be like sorry,

2177
02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:41,399
like it's not our choice, Like
we're not We're not telling everyone to

2178
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:45,640
hype up Zion like this. And
so like the Grizzlies fans get mad and

2179
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:48,079
like take it out on Pelican stands
and so it's it's like this budding rivalry

2180
02:09:48,279 --> 02:09:50,840
and they're in the same division.
So but I still think New Orleans is

2181
02:09:52,199 --> 02:09:54,840
a better team on paper than Memphis, and so I still want to put

2182
02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:58,520
them ahead of Memphis. So yeah, I mean, like I think I

2183
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:01,600
think, you know, if they
can get into the playing game and then

2184
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:07,199
get in like win, knock out
a couple of teams rank higher than them,

2185
02:10:07,239 --> 02:10:09,600
and get into the playoffs, and
that'd be a fun year for me.

2186
02:10:11,239 --> 02:10:13,880
I did consider there when I was
trying to figure out their sealing in

2187
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:16,439
floor, I did consider putting their
floor as tenth. I ended up moving

2188
02:10:16,479 --> 02:10:20,479
it to eleventh, just to account
for, like some variants. Maybe they

2189
02:10:20,479 --> 02:10:22,920
do hold a fire sale or something. I don't know, but like when

2190
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:26,279
you look at I think the Kings
have shown their going to and that the

2191
02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:30,640
Thunder already have like just steered out
of the conversation entirely. I'd agree with

2192
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:33,199
your sentiments on Memphis. I think
they're going to take a you know,

2193
02:10:33,359 --> 02:10:35,079
just at their looking at their record. Maybe John takes a step forward,

2194
02:10:35,119 --> 02:10:37,760
but I think they take a step
back overall because of how tough the West

2195
02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:41,880
is. You don't have Jaren Jackson
junior to start the season. We don't

2196
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:43,079
know what Justice Winslow is gonna look
like and when he's gonna play, and

2197
02:10:43,079 --> 02:10:46,199
their wing depth isn't great, and
so i'd be inclined to put New Orleans

2198
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:50,000
ahead of them. And then you
just kind of have to figure like you

2199
02:10:50,039 --> 02:10:52,039
said, we don't know what's going
on in Houston, but there's gotta be

2200
02:10:52,119 --> 02:10:56,039
like one team at least that's going
to be worse than them aside from there,

2201
02:10:56,039 --> 02:10:58,479
like even Minnesota, I don't think
they're going to be that good this

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year. I agree with your sentiments
on Lands. That would be a spicy

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ding for me. I actually had
the Suns, I might be higher on

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them. I think the issue of
Chris Paul is fair like in a truncated

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schedule, how many games as you
play? But I like their depth.

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I guess a little bit more than
you do. Just I Cam Johnson,

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Javon Carter, Eaton Moore. I
thought they just had a really good storage

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offseason. So but I think the
Pelicans I would expect them to make the

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play in I only moved their floor
a little bit lower because I do feel

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like there's variants and how they view
themselves which could affect like what happens during

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the middle of the season. Yeah, yeah, that's that's certainly fair.

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And like one other thing that I
think is super interesting with New Orleans and

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it's it's similar conversation I'm sure you
would have if you talked to I don't

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like if you've done your Dallas prev
yet. But both those teams were just

2215
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so bad in crunch time that it's
almost unsustainable. Are so bad again.

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I mean that is even weirder because
they were like this elite offense that just

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was abysmal and crunch time it's just
being no sense. And like, at

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least with New Orleans they were like
an average too slightly above average team in

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normal situations that created in crunch time. But I just can't see that repeating

2220
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to the same degree, especially under
with more structure. Understand, I think

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the results god are there and they're
like net rating is much more in line

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with their record, and so I
think that's that's something I see improved this

2223
02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:15,199
here too. It'd be really funny
if Dallas was but I shouldn't say funny.

2224
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Maybe that's mean if Dallas was betting
funch time again just because okay,

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Luca better decision making, that probably
gives you a bump, but like they

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02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:24,439
didn't necessarily improve the shot creation around
him, but not the Mavericks pod.

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Is there anything I didn't ask you
about that you think we need to touch

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upon, or something that's your miscovered
or misperceived about this team from a national

2229
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:35,720
perspective. No, I mean I
don't think so. I mean, I

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just I think the one thing that
I've lightly touched on before that has been

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I think I've gotten the most kind
of surprise reactions to with the discussion around

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Favors versus Steven Adams, because Favorite
has this pretty strong reputation as a good

2233
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defensive big man, and it's just
like, and the advanced stats in New

2234
02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:56,840
Orleans kind of at a high level
aligned that, given like what they looked

2235
02:12:56,840 --> 02:13:01,640
like with him on the floor versus
off. But and it's I just I

2236
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:05,840
couldn't feel more strongly about the upgrade
from Favors to Steven Adams, just because

2237
02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:09,680
of just watching games and seeing that, you know, seeing how how Favors

2238
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:13,800
look moving around and obviously certainly somewhat
injury related, but it's just looked like

2239
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he was much older than the player
I saw in Utah, And I mean,

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the room protection numbers are way down
and a lot of other stuff that

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he just that Steven Adams does better. And so I am very excited for

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02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:28,239
that that switch on on and off
the floor, and I think that's gonna

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02:13:28,479 --> 02:13:31,000
you know, he's he's his teams
are always better when he's on the floor,

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02:13:31,079 --> 02:13:35,680
and his Thunder teams have been.
He's just you know, I feel

2245
02:13:35,680 --> 02:13:37,920
like you go around league and can't
find anyone that will say a bad thing

2246
02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:43,039
about the guy. And I'm just
really I think that he's going to offset

2247
02:13:43,239 --> 02:13:46,720
the downgrade from Drew too blood so
more than people give credit to and so

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02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:50,760
like that's that's one thing I'm looking
for. And now now Watts is a

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02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:52,039
typical New Orleans team. He'll get
injured in like the thord game of the

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season, because I'll set all that
that's that's that's New Orleans. That's that's

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what we come to expect with this
team. But hopefully not well. I

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02:13:58,359 --> 02:14:01,039
think I like the offensive fit with
Adams if you're gonna have like the non

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02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:05,800
shooting type big beside Zion, I
like Adams better than favorites. Maybe a

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02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:09,399
healthier favors could be there's a path
him being better defensively. But you know

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the other thing with his swings,
looking at those on off numbers for favors,

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02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:15,960
like they like they were working with
a very low baseline, like when

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he came back from his initial injury, and so like that's gonna naturally if

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02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:22,960
you're competent, like that's just gonna
uplift by default because there's the how much

2259
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:26,039
worse can you get? Factor?
Yep, yep, exactly. But Mason,

2260
02:14:26,119 --> 02:14:28,199
this was great. Thank you for
giving me so much of your time

2261
02:14:28,279 --> 02:14:31,319
so close to the season. Mind
you, that was not my expectation.

2262
02:14:31,319 --> 02:14:33,720
I thought this was going to leak
into the regular season. If you guys

2263
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:37,760
are not following Mason on Twitter,
remedy that post taste. He's at Mason

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02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:43,359
Ginsburg. That's at m A s
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He is the co host of the
Blue Wire podcast In the Know and the

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02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:50,720
occasional writer for Bourbon Street Shots.
Again. Follow him on Twitter. Mason,

2267
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:54,720
thank you so much for doing this. I always love talking Pelicans with

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02:14:54,800 --> 02:15:05,880
you. Yeah. Absolutely, thank
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