1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is a triangle. You 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,719 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,960 doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,719 our heads. Classic. He's also really standing into clearing. He turned over 5 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:20,160 to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:28,160 said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show. 7 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:32,719 During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room, and 8 00:00:32,799 --> 00:00:37,439 don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. All right, 9 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:40,640 everyone, welcome to the show. This is Martin Willisher host. This is 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,840 gonna be a fun show tonight, and we have two guests coming up tonight. 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,399 First of all, we have Lee Spiegel. He's going to be talking 12 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:54,079 about a show that's upcoming soon within a few weeks, we hope. And 13 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:58,679 and then after that I have Rich Hoffman. He is he was back on 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,479 three years ago. A lot has happened since he was on, and he 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,239 has a great background. Started when it's extremely young, thirteen years old checking 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,640 out UFOs and was actually on the Phil Donahue at age fifteen talking UFOs isn't 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:18,359 that amazing anyway. So that's our guest. We have Alejandro Rojas coming up 18 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:23,319 in just a minute with UFO UFO updates and the blog we have this week 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,959 from Charles lear Is. Trust me, this is science. It's basically about 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,200 if you're looking into the UFO topic, you know, more or less, 21 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:38,879 beware and look out for pseudoscience and try to figure out which is pseudoscience and 22 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:42,439 which is real science if you can find any real science when it comes to 23 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:49,120 UFOs. So check that blog out. It's on podcast ufo dot com. 24 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:56,799 We also have a Facebook page podcast UFO and and live shows. I think 25 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:00,319 that's how it's titled, and so check that out. There's twenty two thousand 26 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:05,120 or so people over there and a lot of activity. UFO updates every day. 27 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:12,560 And speaking of updates, we have Alajandro Rojas for UFO updates. Welcome 28 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:16,120 friend, Hello, how are you doing good? Geez? That was weird, 29 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:21,120 no intro, I know what happened straight, Yeah, Well you're supposed 30 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,840 to pretend like that's the way it's supposed to be on radio. That's the 31 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:27,479 thing is you pretend like like nothing went wrong. Yeah, and you just 32 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:30,520 move on you're right, you're right, yeah, Oh that was a great 33 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:34,919 I really liked how you tried this kind of no intro thing so we could 34 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,479 get right into it. That's right. Yeah, it was a nice, 35 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,120 nice little silence. Dead air is wonderful, yes, yeah, a little 36 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:45,560 bit of peace and quiet so we can reflect on on what we're doing and 37 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:49,360 gather our thoughts. That's where we get into this heavy topic. Next week. 38 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,719 I'll make sure I have crickets going. But anyway, so, how's 39 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:58,280 everything going good? So a lot's gone on, of course, right, 40 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,120 because I wasn't on the show last week. We keep talking about some of 41 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:04,000 these stories that came out in the last week. It feels like we've talked 42 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,919 about but there's no way because we haven't talked in the last week. But 43 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,560 it's been an exciting week. Of course. All of the stories are mostly 44 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:20,120 around the program Unidentified, you know, America's UFO investigation so on the History 45 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,240 Channel that first episode finally came out. You and I of course have talked 46 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:30,039 about it since we got an early preview because we're special We were in special 47 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:34,680 class when we were younger, and we of course both liked the show. 48 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:39,080 But there's a lot of information. Now, the first episode is mostly information, 49 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,759 especially our listeners will be familiar with because it included the Nimics case. 50 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:49,719 Some of what was in there, which I think some of our people might 51 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:53,120 not have known about, was you know, this was the first time we 52 00:03:53,159 --> 00:04:00,599 had heard from the female pilot and she still remained anonymous in this blacked out, 53 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:03,680 So that was really interesting to have her go through Nimits. And also, 54 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,120 even though you know, both of you and I have had people on 55 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,960 to talk about this, and I've written a lot about it, there's so 56 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,759 many working parts in the backgrounds really confusing, and so I thought they did 57 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,759 a really great job of going over Steve justice background, Tom Delong's, lu 58 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:26,839 Alesando's Chris Mellon, all the major players. I think they did. They 59 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:33,480 all have such incredible histories and credibility that substantiates you know what they're talking about, 60 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,399 and I thought they did a really good job tackling all of their backgrounds. 61 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,399 You know, of course, I'm sure as myself, you've probably heard 62 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:46,040 from a lot of people that watched it, and you know, got all 63 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,000 kinds of feedback. Someone said there were too many commercials, you know that 64 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:54,240 when I were lucky enough not to be able to watch it without commercials. 65 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,120 So I hate commercials too, So I get that one. And then you 66 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,839 know, people were talking, oh, it's just the same stuff rehashed. 67 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:03,240 But I think, you know, like you mentioned the female pilot that was 68 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:09,120 really great and I you know, there's a lot to that story, and 69 00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:12,319 you know, it's it was. I believe it was a really good one 70 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,959 to start off with myself. I agree, yeah, it was. They 71 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,759 had to, you know, it's the one that was out there, and 72 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,720 they did offer something new. They did offer the perspective of this, uh 73 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,399 you know other pilot that we haven't heard from. Uh. They also had 74 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:30,560 a couple of people come in and analyze the video, and I thought that 75 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,839 was really interesting. And you and I both spoke with the producer, Anthony 76 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:43,120 Lapey, you know, and he's great. You can tell he and he 77 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,240 was right. You know, what he told us in our interviews came out 78 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,560 to be true in the show that they were really just letting things flow. 79 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:53,160 Like he said, he didn't want anybody to do at double take, like 80 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,560 if they screwed up, he was like, no, that's done. You 81 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,560 know, we're just recording what happens as it happens, we're not we don't 82 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,319 want to see scripted or script anything at all, and that came across in 83 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:05,360 the show, but it came across very credible. Of course, I feel, 84 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:10,240 you know, we've heard from Lou and Lose a very good at articulating, 85 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,519 you know, what he feels or what he's trying to do. Chris 86 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,240 Mellon, of course, it's been incredible. And that's where the news comes 87 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,279 in getting into the news is that we've got a lot of these people on 88 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:26,120 television. So we've got Chris Mellon on Fox News, CNN, Good Morning 89 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,560 America. We've got all of these these people essentially the main players, LL 90 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,560 Lou on, all of those, Tom DeLong on a couple of things. 91 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:41,160 Tom DeLong did a Newsweek opinion piece that was really good. Actually, and 92 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,439 I say actually because of course we all know Tom could get kind of often 93 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:50,040 to some more odd topics, more speculative topics in the rest of the group, 94 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:55,879 but he really stuck to the topics at hand. That was really good. 95 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,480 And then the big news from the week was this New York Times article 96 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:04,920 which introduced some new pilots that we're going to hear from in future episodes of 97 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:11,680 Unidentified And these are pilots who were with the Roosevelt who were involved with UFO 98 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:15,839 incidents that happened in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen. And shockingly, you know, 99 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,040 these guys said that they were having these experiences or at least catching these 100 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:26,759 things on radar for almost daily, that they didn't know what they were. 101 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,839 They assumed that perhaps somebody was testing some sort of new drone, you know, 102 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,040 kind of a black project type of thing, until they had their own 103 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:40,000 encounter when two of the jets had one of these things. Well, in 104 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,800 the story, they make it sound like they almost had a near miss. 105 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,040 One of these things was in between them that was cube shaped with kind of 106 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,680 an orb around it, and that's when they really caught their attention. They're 107 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:56,560 like, wow, this is dangerous. This is not good. If this 108 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:01,199 is you know, obviously it's something physical, it's could really put our lives 109 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:05,079 in danger at this point. So that's when they started taking it very seriously. 110 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,720 What's really exciting And of course I'll plug it on my blog, but 111 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,600 a lot of people have posted this. Now is the history also released to 112 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:18,240 some of us some clips You probably saw these some clips from those Navy pilots 113 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,160 and those were really cool. So I've got those posted at all jandret rojas 114 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,360 dot com where you could see them, three separate clips about a minute or 115 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:31,680 so each where it's the pilot's talking about this incident. But what was revealed 116 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:37,080 in these clips is that these incidents are also the origins of the other two 117 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:43,720 F eighteen flare videos that we've been questioned questioning since the beginning, the one 118 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,840 called go Fast and the one called Gimbal. We haven't known, you know, 119 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,559 where did these things come from, and now we know. Of course, 120 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:56,559 we have limited information thus far, except to know that you know, 121 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:00,240 these pilots are aware of it, have seen the video, do believe that 122 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,840 it is something unusual. So that's really exciting that we're going to hear more 123 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,799 from this. You know. The other thing that we did get a little 124 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,600 bit of information of it and we're getting more is, of course, this 125 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,840 organ event I did talk about on the last show with you, the McMinnville 126 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,679 event where David Fraber, one of the other pilots, the wing commander who 127 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,759 was on the nimits, and he talked about the gimbal video in particular because 128 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,919 he was saying, you know, somebody had asked, well, actually this 129 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,720 one my question I had asked about, you know, was this a missile 130 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,559 or an aircraft because there's a lot of the skeptics and debunkers out there who 131 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,120 have said that all this was was you know, a rotation. Even our 132 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:45,080 good buddy Mark the Antonio I believes this. But Fraber talked about how he 133 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,360 feels that's absolutely there's no way. And he talks about the characteristics of an 134 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,639 aircraft, an aircraft, and it makes a great point that you can't an 135 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,960 aircraft can't fly like this. It looks like they are sometimes, but in 136 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,519 order to create lift on the wing, they have to be creating, you 137 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:03,679 know, a friction. They've got a bank left or right if they're going 138 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,120 to go sideways like this, he said, sometimes the Blue Angels can kind 139 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,240 of do these maneuvers for a little while with they do these tricks, but 140 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,480 otherwise it's going to fall out of the sky. Right, So this was 141 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:18,240 not an aircraft that went like this. And what were the effects we're seeing 142 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:24,559 are not you know, effect from the actual lens of the of the flear 143 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,919 camera. So you know, we now at least we're getting and I you 144 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,000 know, many of us assume this was a case that these guys aren't going 145 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,960 to come out and say that these videos are unusual for no reason. I 146 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,159 mean, their credentials and there are on the line. Their credibilities on the 147 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,320 line as well. So when these pilots are coming out and saying, no, 148 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,240 you know, this is not something conventional and something I've dealt with before 149 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,559 and is demonstrating some advanced technology, there's no doubt that they put a lot 150 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,200 of thought towards it to make those determinations and come out and say those things. 151 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,559 That's right. Pardon me. We are out of time because I only 152 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,240 have I'm only gonna have Lee on for about ten minutes or so until okay, 153 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,480 So anyway, thanks so much, Aljundro, and we'll be talking to 154 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:11,679 you next week. All right, thanks man, all right, talk to 155 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:18,159 you then. All right, So our next guests needs no introduction. That 156 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,519 means I'm not going to introduce him except for say, hello, Lee, 157 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:30,240 welcome to the show. Hello ho Martin. Thanks for that glorious introduction that 158 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,720 was your whole background everything. Yeah, well that's called a mini bio. 159 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,919 No, I appreciate that, Thank you. No you've been on so many 160 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,960 times. There, You've been on so many times. But I guess it 161 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,000 would be just a we're just so short on time because we only have ten 162 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,080 minutes until we go into break. But so Lee's been in the well you 163 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,840 say it in a quick nutshell your background from the new listeners if you would, 164 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,559 Well, I've been investigating researching this crazy phenomenon called UFOs for forty six 165 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:07,720 years now, makes me an old timer in the whole series. I've Among 166 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:13,679 the things that I've helped to do to forward people's information about this was in 167 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:20,720 nineteen seventy five I produced for CBS a vinyl documentary record album called UFOs The 168 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:26,919 Credibility Factor, in which it was the first time that the voices of people 169 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:33,080 who've had encounters who have had strong opinions about UFOs and these are these are 170 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,559 people in science, in the military, in politics, and had them come 171 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:43,159 together in one voice to basically ask the government please come cleaned about UFO information. 172 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,799 And from there I kind of leapfrogged a couple of years later into bringing 173 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:56,279 UFOs to the United Nations in nineteen seventy eight, and then kind of from 174 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,399 there kept moving forward in this, I guess mission of mine. I spent 175 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:07,679 eight years on NBC Radio just doing Unexplained phenomenal features, more than fifteen hundred 176 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,240 programs about the topic and UH and more recently seven years I spent as the 177 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:20,080 chief UFO writer at the Huffington Post. That's right. And then, as 178 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:24,279 you and many of your listeners known, now, I'm still involved with film 179 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:31,639 producer James Fox. We're putting it together. We're in the last throws of 180 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,240 an upcoming documentary. And for those who don't know the name of it yet, 181 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,720 we started to still the beans a little bit. This is going to 182 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:45,600 be called the Phenomenon. Oh, you finally named it. This is a 183 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,159 name name number three, isn't it. But it's going to stick right yeah? 184 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:56,039 Well yeah. And one of the reasons why that we've actually chosen that 185 00:13:56,039 --> 00:14:05,360 that name has to go back to literally nineteen forty seven previously classified military document 186 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:11,840 that's now commonly referred to as the Twining Memo. You when Flying Saucer reports 187 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:18,399 were flourishing in forty seven, Air Force Lieutenant General Nathan Twining, he was 188 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,919 the commander of the Air Material Command. He issued a very eye opening but 189 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:30,120 secret at the time memo to the Army Air Forces and the subject line of 190 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:35,759 it was the Air Material Command Opinion concerning flying discs. And among the things 191 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,639 that this very serious memo stated was, and this is a quote from it, 192 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:46,799 quote, the phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious. 193 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,039 Fictitious. There are objects approximating the shape of a disc of such size as 194 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:58,159 to appear to be as large as man made aircraft unquote. So this memo 195 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:05,240 went on to describe the incredible maneuverability demonstrate its demonstrated by these objects seventy two 196 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:11,639 years ago, and these things are still out maneuvering current global aircraft technology. 197 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:18,320 And so that that twining memo eventually brought about a multi military investigation known as 198 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,159 Project Goobook. But it was the beginning of the quote were referred to it 199 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:28,919 as the phenomenon. Both James Fox I credit James was saying, let's call 200 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:35,000 the phenomenon the documentary because in so many places historically in documents it's always referred 201 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,080 to as the phenomenon, and that just kind of stuck with us and went, 202 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:45,879 yes, there's our title. Wow, simple and good. Yeah, 203 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:50,720 exactly, Yeah, that's great. It started out for the listener that because 204 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:52,519 I still get email. I think I got one two weeks ago, someone 205 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:58,679 saying when is seven oh one coming out? And that was the first working 206 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,120 title. So this is what this is. Morphed into it this time, 207 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,840 and it's going to be a smash when it actually comes out. I know 208 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,320 it is. With the work that you've described to me, in the budget 209 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,799 and everything, it's going to be a major movie and I can't wait for 210 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,080 it. And so well, we're looking you know, we're looking forward to 211 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:21,679 doing it and to talking about it. I'm looking forward more to talking about 212 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:26,120 it on your show. And I'm also happy that you and I will soon 213 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:32,960 be co radio colleagues on KGr A Digital Broadcasting when I begin my own program 214 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,759 called Edge of Reality Radio, and that's coming up pretty soon, I would 215 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:41,720 think within a few two to three weeks or something like that. And you're 216 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,600 filling in Linda moulton House time slot on Thursday, which is is at eight 217 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:51,240 to ten pm Eastern Standard time, Eastern Time. That's what I's That's what 218 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,759 we're talking about. Although we're really left to do now is figuring out the 219 00:16:55,799 --> 00:17:02,480 technical logistics of my broadcasting the show from New York. Uh, you know, 220 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:07,160 back to the KGRA, a main broadcast studio in the in Utah, 221 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:11,200 so that it can have a real nice clean signal all across America and then 222 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:17,640 later across across all international boarders. So I'm looking forward to this and I 223 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,799 want to get this thing rolling as soon as possible. In fact, I've 224 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:27,279 already outlined the guest list for approximately the first five months of my show. 225 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,480 I can't believe that you told me that the other day. Five months and 226 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:36,000 uh, well, well, I'm serious about doing this. I guess you 227 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:38,200 are. You know, I'm lucky if I have a month I had. 228 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:45,200 It's it's not always that an easy thing to do, especially if someone changes 229 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,519 at the last minute and you can't get a fill in. And um, 230 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:51,519 and thank you. Last week I announced I didn't have any guests, and 231 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,799 you know you were gracious enough to come on. Um and um. Also 232 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:00,160 UM, let's talk about I can't I believe who your first guest is. 233 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,799 Let's talk about a couple of that and a few other guests coming up. 234 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:08,799 Well, my first guest, hopefully if if he still wants to do it, 235 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:12,319 and in the mood, because it's been a while since since I asked 236 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,799 him, is a man named Jacques Ballet? Perhaps you and some of your 237 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,400 audience who all of your audience have heard of Jacque? I never heard of 238 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:27,039 no O. That's great. Now Jacques is not not not just simply a 239 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:34,720 scientist and astronomer astrophysicist. Uh, he is like a legend, and not 240 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:40,279 just in UFOs, but but in many areas of science. He's done so 241 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:45,759 many things. He was the first scientist decades ago who who mapped did a 242 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:51,079 computer mapping of the planet Mars. Finasam I think like that, but people 243 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:56,519 don't know about Wow. Yeah, he's a He's a multifaceted guy, very 244 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,400 interesting. And who who's some of your other guests? I know you were 245 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,519 going to have Stan Freedman until we lost him. He was really looking forward 246 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,559 to coming, right, Yeah, yeah, and and and and yes, 247 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,079 so Stan, very sadly we'll not be with us. He's with us, 248 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:15,279 but he's still with us on so many areas, in so many levels. 249 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:22,720 UM going to be talking with as many people in in the U full field 250 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:25,599 as I can. I'm looking for military folks. I'm going to be talking 251 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:33,039 with pilots that haven't done a lot of radio interviews, more politicians, more 252 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:40,920 international figures of people that we haven't heard from, and and also especially more 253 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:47,839 scientists, because now we're at a point in time historically where scientists aren't just 254 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,599 saying, oh, there's nothing to this, this whole thing, you know, 255 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,880 UFOs are just strange lights or strange inverted weather patterns and things like that. 256 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,319 No, it's going to be on that now, mostly thank to the 257 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,200 New York Times in twenty seventeen and all the stuff that came out with the 258 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:11,400 Pentagon revelations of their top secret UFO studies, and now more recently the whole 259 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:19,880 revelation that the Navy is now creating new guidelines for their pilots and Navy personnel 260 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:25,119 who have had very close encounters. And this is not just something that's just 261 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:30,920 recent. They are now admitting these things have been going on for a very 262 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,279 long time. And I've been trying to stress that every time I do some 263 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,559 kind of an interview, who is that This is not a new thing, 264 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:44,839 It's not an American thing. It's an international phenomenon that we're dealing with. 265 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:51,039 And part of me is kind of curious. I still wonder why the Pentagon 266 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:56,319 or the Navy would suddenly come out and say, yeah, our pilots, 267 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:02,160 our military forces have had strange encounters, strange things that we don't understand. 268 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,480 Why would they suddenly say that now in history? I don't fully understand that. 269 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,960 What purpose will that serve any of us to have this kind of information 270 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:17,079 come out now, like on a more official level, which which is what 271 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,519 this is talking about. It. This is what it feels like. Uh, 272 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,440 you know, there's a definite I think there's a definite feeling in the 273 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:30,920 air, you know, yeah, yeah, who whoever's in charge of what 274 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:37,960 the public is told about UFOs over many decades now Martin, maybe they're loosening 275 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,880 up a little, But for what reason? What purpose will it served to 276 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:48,400 admit to the citizens of our planet unexplained aircraft of unknown origin they have been 277 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,559 operating in our skies for a very long time. So on on the New 278 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,279 Edge of Reality Radio, I want to explore this a lot and see where 279 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,319 it takes us. That is awesome. Well, I'm really looking forward to 280 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:07,200 it. I'm definitely going to be tuning in UM and so when that becomes 281 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,799 available, I'll make an announcement on this show and make sure that everyone knows 282 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,720 when to tune in. Oh, and thank you. I appreciate that. 283 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,880 Yeah, and I love what you're doing. I'm I'm glad that finally you 284 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,480 and I are going to be able to do the same thing now together at 285 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,799 the same place. That's right, Well, competition, right, isn't that 286 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:30,880 what they're calling? No? No, that that that's not really competition. 287 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,799 I know, I know, I'm just easy, you know, but the 288 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,039 people on KGRA, I don't think anybody is in competition with each other. 289 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,400 We just all kind of want to get this information out in the best possible, 290 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:45,160 credible, efficient way. Yeah, and you, um, you had 291 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:52,359 fifteen hundred shows years ago and some amazing, amazing people you spoke to back 292 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,759 then. And I'm really really I'm truly looking forward to it, and I'm 293 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:02,039 really excited about your show coming up. And so yeah, we're going to 294 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,079 head into break and I'm going to be breaking on YouTube before I do. 295 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,839 This is a special note to YouTube listeners. I was hoping to make an 296 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:18,519 announcement for this coming Friday around noontime and I did not get the one percent 297 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,680 confirmation email that I was waiting for. It's going to be a special show, 298 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,720 a live stream. You're going to want to see it, so keep 299 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,920 an eye on my channel. If you're watching a YouTube, please click subscribe 300 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,920 and click the little bell next to the subscribe button. That way you'll get 301 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,759 a notification of what I have coming up. But it's about ninety five percent 302 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:44,720 sure that I'm going to have a really really good show coming up this Friday 303 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:51,440 afternoon. I think it is twelve ten pm Eastern time. And also if 304 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,400 you want to get an notification by email, just run over to podcast ufo 305 00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:59,279 dot com. On the sidebar there is a little email notification thing you can 306 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:03,279 fill out. Leaf so much and my pleasure, Martin, thank you. 307 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,119 All right, take Aaron. Well we'll talk real soon. Looking forward to 308 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,279 it. All right, everyone hanging there, I'll be right back with Rich 309 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,279 Hoffman. All right, welcome back to the show. Sorry for the extended 310 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,039 break. We had a little bit of technology issues, I would say, 311 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,200 and speaking of that, our guests, Rich Hoffman, he's a an information 312 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,000 technology consultant and strategist. He has been with a well, he's been a 313 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:34,440 defense contractor for over twenty years, primarily for the Army Material Command HQ, 314 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,160 with a variety of other companies. He's got quite a background. He started 315 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,000 when he was extremely young. Was on the Phil Donahue Show at only fifteen 316 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,440 years old. I think they called, well, welcome to the show. 317 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,000 Rich, good to have you back. Hey, it's good to be back 318 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,400 with you and Martin. I enjoy your show. By the way, well 319 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,200 thank you. When someone like you says that, I really means a to 320 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,920 me. Thank you. Um so I think didn't they call you a UFO 321 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:07,799 expert? I always love that one, don't you. Yeah, I got 322 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,880 it. Yeah. The funny thing about it was I used, uh, 323 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,920 you know, I had a license plate uh and it was UFO XPRT and 324 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,640 and I and it fit from the back end of my bumper in the car. 325 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,720 And the funny part about it was, you know, it caused a 326 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:29,359 lot of conversations because I'd be at a gas station and somebody would see it. 327 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,119 They say, oh, wow, are you what is that? Well 328 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,319 then you get the people that say it's you Fox Burt, and I'm going, 329 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,680 well, okay, now let me explain that one. But it just 330 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,759 starts as a conversation starter. So I just used that for my even for 331 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,960 my email and stuff. I said, the hell of it, I'll just 332 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:47,559 use it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's funny. It's 333 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,799 fun Yeah, but you've been you have, um, you have a great 334 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:56,279 background, and you've taken the subject seriously as you've you know, gone through 335 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:03,599 time and uh so you've been you were actually had cases that you were researching 336 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,240 at a very young age, right, Oh yeah, I mean, so 337 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,440 let me give you a little bit of an age. I guess started when 338 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,599 I was thirteen years old and I was living in Dayton, Ohio, and 339 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,680 so I would it's right about that time that I found out that there was 340 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,240 a project just up the street at Bright Patterson and you know, and so 341 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,559 my first book that I picked up was the Captain Edward Rupel talking about the 342 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,240 Project Bluebook, and I'm going like, man, this is just up the 343 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,599 road for me, and at that age, you know, it's quite it's 344 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,799 quite an impression, and it just propelled me big time into it. And 345 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,079 so I started doing a you know, at that time, I was doing 346 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:51,599 a lot of like clippings and just getting every book that I could possibly get, 347 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,079 every magazine that I could get, was reading voraciously. And the next 348 00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,279 thing I know, it was like somebody asked me up to give a presentation 349 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,400 at some sort of an Astronomy Club in Dayton, and I went up there 350 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,000 and did that, and then somebody else heard that I did that, and 351 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,680 then the next thing I know, I was like, I was getting calls 352 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:17,680 from like Sartomas clubs and Optimist clubs and everything else wanted me to come. 353 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,839 And then next thing I know, churches wanted me to come. So and 354 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,200 then and then eventually I got word over to the Phil Donahue. And this 355 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,039 is before I went up to Chicago and really became famous. So it was 356 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:36,599 when he was just starting in Dayton and h and uh. So I was 357 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,880 like, I guess at an early experiment, but they had heard that I 358 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,480 was going around talking all this stuff about UFOs, and so let's just do 359 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,680 it. And then the next thing, you know, is that that propelled 360 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,039 me even further. Too. Now I'm starting to get phone calls from like 361 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,440 people like left and right saying, hey, can you come and check this 362 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,759 out? And it's not like I was an investigator at that time, but 363 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,359 eventually moved didn't Hey, I got to be able to do that. And 364 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,480 then in nineteen sixty five there were a story of activity and I was going 365 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:14,480 crazy trying to keep up with some of that work on cases h and it 366 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:18,000 just kept building and building over time to the point where if you probably look 367 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,960 at my caseload, it's it's well over a thousand cases firsthand, like you 368 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:29,640 know, Field Investigator or work and it so it's on the road, you 369 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,599 know, and climbing from the church and uh, you know, and that's 370 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,960 what it was about. So I was on the front lines for those. 371 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,119 And then eventually I you know, let into me getting into move on when 372 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:47,319 it was the Midwest UFO network and that was before you know, a lot 373 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,200 blue Book was going on up the road, and occasionally I would bump into 374 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,759 a Blue Book officer who was doing like the same case or something of that 375 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,799 nature, and so we would compare notes or I'd talk with them, and 376 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,640 then we'd shared information. The next thing I know is that made me a 377 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,240 phone number to call rap CON for radar approach control, and I could get 378 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:15,039 up and get information about that. And I was connecting with Lens Stringfield and 379 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:19,119 Cincinnati, and him and I were talking a lot. And then I would 380 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,160 bump in occasionally to Heinik, who would be around at the Dayton Engineers Club 381 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:30,000 giving presentations, and I would go and listen to him present. Then Uh, 382 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,039 you know again, I would bump into like, you know, uh, 383 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,680 Stanton, and I would bump into just all these big name people and 384 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,640 you know, in the ufology world, and it was a very exciting time. 385 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:48,960 And anyway, I just I have a very long history with bumping into 386 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 this stuff. So it's it's been a joy for me. Yes, And 387 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,519 I'm glad you're you're at it because you take it seriously. You do a 388 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:02,319 nice a really nice job. And a lot has happened since you and I 389 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,799 were talking last I meantime, there's a lot a lot to talk about. 390 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,920 UM. And you're part of the Scientific Coalition. Um, what is the 391 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:18,359 full title of that. Well, we've just changed it was the Scientific Coalition 392 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,759 for Ufology, and then we've now changed it to the Scientific Coalition for UAP 393 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:27,960 Studies. We wanted to emphasize that we are studying this stuff. Yeah, 394 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,079 and that was that was important. And then the other thing that we learned 395 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,599 from we had a conference here in Huntsville where I live, uh back in 396 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,519 mid March, and UH at that conference, we had a lot of people 397 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:48,400 that were saying, you know, we're trying to get scientists engaged from the 398 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,559 military side, we have none. You know, the UFO term has so 399 00:30:52,640 --> 00:31:00,240 much, uh that it's got a stigma even to professors and universe versus and 400 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,599 various other things who want to do more Where you mentioned the UFO and it's 401 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,680 not it leads into you know, all that's a wacky stuff, right, 402 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:15,519 so much like you know Europeans have done it where they've switched over to UAP, 403 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:25,200 we decided to go with the unidentified aerospace phenomena because aerospace is also covering 404 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:32,279 the water as well as the air and space, so it's got all three 405 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:37,319 of those mediums that we can use that one term for UFOs, USOS and 406 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,839 something else, you know, and so that's pretty We decided to go with 407 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,720 that, and scientists that we had and the professors we had and the doctors 408 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,279 all agreed that that would be the better way to go. Interesting. Wow 409 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,640 yeah, yeah, yeah, think I should change my show to podcast UAP. 410 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,599 You know, you do such a great job with it that it doesn't 411 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,920 really matter. So I mean, but I'm just telling you that that there 412 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:15,160 is a stigma out there that it has been keeping conversations a little bit on 413 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:21,079 the quiet side from a lot of people in those scientific worlds and and so 414 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,160 we're trying to bring them and make them feel comfortable, and it's easier for 415 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,480 them to get this aerospace phenomena thing than it is UFO and come to a 416 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:37,359 conference and maybe get improved by their universities. So there you go, now 417 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:43,079 in the case and the conference. Who are just speaking about where you had 418 00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:46,759 it in Huntsville there, Yeah, I understand the Unfortunately I didn't go, 419 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,400 but some friends went. Randy Nickerson was there, A hundred was there? 420 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:58,039 Yeah? And so from what I understand, the most fascinating part that I 421 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,359 got out of the bits and pieces of what I heard about that was that 422 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,000 the U in particular the tic tac UFO people are saying it's being beaten to 423 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,559 death. That you know, we're talking about it too much. But in 424 00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:15,200 that in particular, I understand there was someone that did some study on the 425 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:21,640 G forces of what they were actually visually seeing and seeing on radar, and 426 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,640 how impossible they would be for a craft that we know of to stay together 427 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:34,119 and certainly not any any beings inside being able to take those G forces. 428 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:42,279 Do you have any little tidbits on that in particular that you remember, Yeah, 429 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:49,839 So let me clarify that Robert Powell got started back when the Paco Cherry 430 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:53,839 or Cherichi, I think that's how you say his name, did a fighter 431 00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,839 sweep article on the whole tic TAC encounter. And so Robert got started with 432 00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:05,480 it at that time and began collecting evidence and getting a hold of things and 433 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:09,639 trying to document this. And so eventually then over a period of time, 434 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,679 we formed a team of us to begin to take a look at it and 435 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,599 to put together a you know, and see what we could find out. 436 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:24,079 And obviously we didn't have things like radar, actual radar data, and we 437 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:30,280 didn't All we had was the testimony that was coming in, and so we 438 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:37,239 began clalking and contacting a lot of the witnesses to that and you know these 439 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,719 and so what you could do, and this is where we're SEU is about. 440 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,480 We're you know, typically a UFO report might get very minimal treatment scientifically, 441 00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,559 it might get maybe like a you know, a couple of pages or 442 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:57,360 something like that. We saw that when with Move On, where we didn't 443 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,360 see like lengthy analysis or a long term studies of it. And we thought 444 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:07,719 that the better cases deserved that right, They deserve our attention, and so 445 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,280 we we said that we're going to spend that time. And so we spent, 446 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,159 like you know, over two years putting together this report. And part 447 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,679 of the report was to document as much as we could about the case, 448 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,400 about what the witnesses said, our attempts at getting FOIA requests. We've got 449 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,079 that whole section on that. We put together, a glossary, we put 450 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:37,840 together, We put together an analysis based upon a lot of different factors. 451 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,760 For exampleable we had we talked with the radar people. They would describe objects 452 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,360 that would be dropping down from the skies at like eighty thousand feet and maybe 453 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:53,239 stopping at twenty thousand or even going to sea level and stopping just above the 454 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,800 sea level, and a matter of say okay, and then you would you 455 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,480 would you would take a look at that and say, well, what what 456 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:05,639 are the physics involved in that? What would what would if you looked at 457 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:10,079 that from a physical physics standpoint, what could you deduce if you had something 458 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:14,639 with a similar size to the tic tac uh. You know, let's say 459 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:19,960 an airplane that's that's weighs a certain weight or has a certain weight to it, 460 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,800 and if it were if it were some the acceleration. If you think 461 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,599 about if I move from eighty thousand feet and I stop, or even twenty 462 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,199 thousand feet doesn't matter. If I'm a twenty thousand feet and I go to 463 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,800 sea level, and then it's a matter of just within less than a second, 464 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,000 what what is the g force that would be experienced, what would be 465 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,599 the speed of that? What? How would you accelerate to get to a 466 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:52,480 certain point and then suddenly decelerate, uh to come to a full stop above 467 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,880 the water. And the wonderful part about that whole thing is that you know, 468 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,599 you can use mathematics and and basically the types of things that we already 469 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:07,000 understand and kind of deduced what that would be like. And so he said, 470 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:12,760 let's do that. And so basically you had Peter Reality who did that 471 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,880 and took it on and put together in his papers in the back of it 472 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,320 in the appendices section the physics of that are involved in that. And so 473 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,159 you find out that like an object that would be going from like roughly twenty 474 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:30,519 thousand feet to sea level and stopping would in point seven eight seconds or whatever 475 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:38,159 like that would basically have used moved it over one hundred thousand miles per hour 476 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,480 or something of that nature. And we and the other thing that we did, 477 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:49,320 Martin was we used also conservative estimates. Instead of instead of it being 478 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,719 like point seven eight seconds, let's use it it maybe like three seconds. 479 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:58,440 Let's look at it at six seconds. And so we did that where we 480 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,800 showed in a table kind of or at what those different speeds would be, 481 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,840 to include what the different the power inputs would or outputs would have been to 482 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:13,079 have done that, and then you start to look at that and then the 483 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,880 G force and you come up with the fact that nobody could survive it. 484 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,400 If it were like an aircraft falling from that sky or moving down at that 485 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:25,320 sky, it would basically have disintegrated, and that the G forces is exceeding 486 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,639 human And so we did that and our plus we also took a look at 487 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:36,719 it from the standpoint that if you recall in the storyline when when Faber is 488 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,960 making his upward motion and the object is too going from c level and coming 489 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,559 up to about twenty thousand feet as it was progressing up at altitude, the 490 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,800 object then leaves and then it suddenly ends up very quickly over at the cap 491 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,559 point. You hear them mentioned this combat air patrol, which is a classified 492 00:38:55,639 --> 00:39:04,199 point of where they're supposed to actually meet when they conduct this red blue experience 493 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:10,719 that's read war fighting kind of thing that they've got. And so the fact 494 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,840 that it did that and you're able to now measure to speak, because that's 495 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,800 sixty miles away, and you're able to say, well, let's look at 496 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,719 that one, you know. And so then you find out again it exceeds 497 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,760 beyond what we know of in the way of propulsion systems and the g force 498 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,719 that would have been involved, as well as the power that's required. At 499 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,599 one point, one of our estimates showed that it would have been equivalent to 500 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:40,880 potentially that of Hoover dam terms. And then you you also take a look 501 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:47,360 at the testimony of Commander Slate and you find out that he talks about there 502 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,119 is like a kind of like a barrage like effect above the tic TAC or 503 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:57,719 around the tic TAC. I mean, he talks about that, and so 504 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,679 you say, well, okay, is that some sort of a yield around 505 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,440 it? You know? And and what would that be? And that's the 506 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:09,079 kind of details you want from these very credible and very good observers who notice 507 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:17,199 these very small details that help us to understand what might be with the phenomena, 508 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,360 I mean, and how it might be performing. And so we need 509 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,800 more of that highly, you know that that kind of and we'd love to 510 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,480 be able to have the radar data, but you know, obviously that's a 511 00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:34,119 little bit hard to kid since it's apparently not being found or released to us. 512 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:43,079 Oh um, Well, I was just thinking that there are other cases 513 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:47,519 that you've been able to study like this or is it? And can you 514 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:53,639 talk about them where you've come up with some similar things. Well, uh, 515 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,480 you know, I think you might if you go up to the explore 516 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,000 scu dot org site that we have. Uh. We also did one hundred 517 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:12,719 and sixty two page paper for number years ago on the Aguadia case. And 518 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,519 I don't know if you recall that Aguadia, Puerto Rico incident, but we 519 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,159 say that there were the two k put together our reports, if you would, 520 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:28,000 uh, and our study of what we saw in the video clips as 521 00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:31,320 well as the and both of them were like infrared or thermal imaging kinds of 522 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,320 cameras that were used. The app F litter is of course a little bit 523 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,960 different from the westcam that was in the Aguadia thing. And so you have 524 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,360 to get head smart about the whole thermal kind of like range and and find 525 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:52,159 out about the midwave IRU where it is in terms of what it can reveal 526 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,320 to you. Uh. And that's been a whole new world for us, 527 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,599 quite frankly. Uh. And now SUS got a total of about twenty two 528 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:08,760 PhDs on board and we're continuing to now build partnerships with others as well, 529 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:15,119 and we're hoping that we can bring on more of the thermal experts out there. 530 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:20,679 We tried to take our studies over to them to get as much as 531 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,480 we can to happen peer reviewed. We had this document peer reviewed, and 532 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:30,320 we had the last document looked at by the French who also came back and 533 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,800 pretty much confirmed, for example that in the Aguadia case there was a question 534 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,760 about the path and they confirmed to us that the path was circular like we 535 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:46,320 thought that it was. And those things are helpful too, and we just 536 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:52,239 need to have more peer reviewed or more other kinds of like scientific companies or 537 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:59,639 organizations take a look at this our data, the data and do the same 538 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,960 thing. Wow, um, you know, we are ready, we are 539 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,760 ready to go to break and what I'm going to do here is we're having 540 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,639 some issues with Skype. So what we're gonna do is I'm gonna be actually 541 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,599 calling you back on the phone. But for right now we are heading into 542 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:20,000 break, So hanging everyone. We'll be right back right after these messages. 543 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,719 All right, welcome back. My guest tonight is rich Hoffman, and we 544 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,440 have them now on the phone. Room should be a nice clear signal. 545 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,239 Um, right, Richard, there aren't you well? I here? How 546 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,199 are you? Yeah? Uh yeah, yeah, just make sure you hold 547 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,320 the phone close if you would. And so we were basically talking about, 548 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,920 um, you know, the different the Puerto Ricanum incident um, which there 549 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,800 was a lot of That's the first time I've actually seen like real science and 550 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:58,280 uh to work, people taking something really seriously. And it almost seems like 551 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:04,760 a um, this seemed to almost open the door for what we're seeing today 552 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,039 a little bit, just the fact that, um, you know, people 553 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:12,480 are really looking at the subject more seriously. And what is your thoughts on 554 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,960 that? I mean, you've seen a lot of change in ever since you 555 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,719 know, last year and a half or so, right, oh, dramatically 556 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,360 and you know, I kind of like, you know, it's one of 557 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:28,719 those things where I look back on my history with this whole thing, like, 558 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,800 for example, you know, are the cases any different from what we 559 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:38,280 had back in the fifties and sixties, And the answer is no, in 560 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,400 the sense that we had military cases and we've had you know, jet pursuits, 561 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,599 and we've had incursions in our airspace and we've had you know, all 562 00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:51,760 that stuff that has pretty much been there and there's so it's nothing for me, 563 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,880 It's not you know, my perspective anyway, it's nothing new. We've 564 00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,679 just had some incredible cases in the past that are not received being as much 565 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,280 attention on the media side. I mean, yeah, they were they they 566 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,480 got into national enquiry or they got into something like that, but you didn't 567 00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:15,360 have anything that was really grabbing hold of the attention like it is today. 568 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:22,360 And now you've got you know, the whole thing is, you've got more 569 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,679 advanced technology that we have over I mean, our radar systems have dramatically improved 570 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:35,800 our capabilities. The aircraft and everything else are fabulous and the top top notch, 571 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,039 and so the fact that these kinds of systems are detecting these things and 572 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,559 they're seeing that they're doing these incredible maneuvers, and you have very high level, 573 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:50,280 credible pilots, and you have the willingness to be able to confront it 574 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,599 and put it on too, like something like the New York Times. And 575 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,119 then now now it's out in these videos, and you have the credibility of 576 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,840 the fact that we found out that there were approp them at the Pentagon, 577 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,480 and you have the lead of that willing to talk about it and help us 578 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,679 to get the getting more. And so that's that's a holistically different flavor than 579 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:14,000 what you had back in Blue Book days and and where we were before. 580 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:17,480 And so to me, it's a whole like a whole other world. And 581 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:22,840 I'm so happy to see that you know that they're saying that they I mean 582 00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,519 basically saying that, yeah, these things do exist, and oh, by 583 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,800 the way, you know, uh, we need to pay attention to them, 584 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,519 and oh, by the way, yeah there might be potential threats and 585 00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:37,440 you know, and they're they're hanging over our you know, nukes. Should 586 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:42,400 we be concerned? You know? Should we? Should we not be concerned? 587 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,400 And should? And so I'm glad to see it's getting that serious attention, 588 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,719 and it's helping a lot of more scientific people who are like I call 589 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,440 them, going back to Jacques balia heinach days, the invisible college, are 590 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,679 willing to actually now come out and talk a little bit. And there's more 591 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,320 people that are willing to this GOSSI. So it's to me this is exciting 592 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:08,280 kind I am thrilled death. No, No, I'm totally with you there. 593 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,639 I've I've seen, you know, for um, just one thing alone. 594 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,719 My listenership is greatly picked up with people just now looking into the topic 595 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,719 that never had before. And so that's why I kind of dive into everyone's 596 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,880 background, if if they've been on the show before or not. Um, 597 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:30,440 and you know what I've seen, Um, you know, since um, 598 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:37,119 this whole thing came out and you know, I think it was December sixteenth 599 00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:43,159 or whatever was um twoy seventeen, I believe it was. Yeah, UM, 600 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:46,840 since that time, you know, it just seems to be escalating to 601 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,920 where more and more, um, you know, people are taking it seriously. 602 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:58,519 I'll just tell you a quick situation. I was in I'm an appraiser, 603 00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:01,039 that's my profession, and I was down in Massachusetts and as I was 604 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:06,679 walking into this house, I saw these navy bumper stickers on the back of 605 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,480 the car of the people that lived in this house where I was going. 606 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:12,880 And I was in there, and after a while, I said, I 607 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,239 had the courage to say, hey, did you hear about the navy? 608 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,840 You know, the new reporting on UFOs. The Navy's actually taking this seriously. 609 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:23,760 And the woman wouldn't stop talking about it, and she and her husband, 610 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:29,480 her husband's retired, and they thought it was amazing and all that. 611 00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:34,000 And then she started telling me about a sighting. And I'm really always very 612 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,679 careful about mentioning the UFO topic when it comes to my profession and all that, 613 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,639 but every once in a while, you know, I feel comfortable enough 614 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,519 to talk about it, and this time it was received well. But you 615 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:51,559 never know, but it's it's a lot more. It just seems a lot 616 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:55,039 easier now than it was when I started the show, for sure. Yeah, 617 00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:59,159 And that's pretty much where I'm at. I clear, it's like when 618 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,639 Blue Book was closed, and you know, they basically had the cons and 619 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,920 report and everything else, it seemed like, you know, the credibility of 620 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,440 the whole subject went down the toilet, and uh, and you just you 621 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,280 know, it's like you can't talk about them much anymore. And then then 622 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,159 over a period of time, you know, it just got very very I 623 00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:23,559 mean more and more. You just couldn't talk about it because it became a 624 00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:25,960 joke. I mean, you know, take a look at the tabloids and 625 00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,480 what they did with it, and so they turned it into a joke, 626 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,320 and and then you know, you just couldn't even begin to discussion. And 627 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,360 then over a period of time, now you're able to come back and talk 628 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,719 about it, and you have that if you would, that top cover the 629 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,239 fact that there's actually senators and congressional people that are willing to listen and hear 630 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,159 this, and the fact that the Navy is and the Air Force are going 631 00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:52,880 to be switching to I mean the Air Force. It's not that I don't 632 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,239 think announced, but they they've gone and make changes. And it's not like 633 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,679 that they hadn't been, you know, concerned before. It's just that it 634 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,880 didn't allow you know, the soldiers and stuff like that are hesitant to bring 635 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,639 it up, you know, and so it now allows them to be a 636 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,000 little bit more open. And by the way, I saw something and you 637 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,880 know, and and they can talk about it, not the feeling like that 638 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,360 they're going to be penalized if you would. And so that's that's gonna, 639 00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:23,360 I think open up a lot. I hope we can do the same thing 640 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,960 for a commercial pilot, you know, and that that we now get more 641 00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:34,079 openness if we could get that from the FAA and and the pilots people, 642 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,719 uh that, you know, and and and then we could also get it 643 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,960 from other agencies. And then a big question would be, well, who 644 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,119 would be the central body to be able to take a look at it and 645 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,519 to clust all that because it is a global phenomenon and it's we need to 646 00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,159 be concerned about the threads that are over our you know, over our land 647 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:59,440 just as much as in the water. That's right. I'm hope I'm hoping 648 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,239 that we and if we see this as a threat, then that opens up 649 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,239 doors for where are where are these things going? What are they doing? 650 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,760 And so anyway, that's pretty much my thoughts. I've i've I think I 651 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,960 talked about this briefly last time you were on the show, and I still 652 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:21,800 kind of feel the same way. Is that I don't think that the Air 653 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,880 Force, whoever it is that is you know, really looking at this topic. 654 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:31,760 The Pentagon um U d D whoever it is. That's I don't think 655 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,480 anyone knows any really that much more than any of us out here looking at 656 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,320 it. Um. I still think it's a puzzle. And I think that's 657 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,360 the reason, the main reason the secrecy has been so long, because how 658 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,039 do you defend against something, you know, how do you take care of 659 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:52,119 the skies when you don't know what the heck it is? And you can't 660 00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:57,119 assure the people that this is happening. But we don't know what it is, 661 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,400 you know, I mean, it wouldn't it wouldn't fly with you. 662 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,880 But yeah, we don't have any answers, and you know, and that's 663 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,519 pretty clear. All we know is that there are these crafts that are outperforming 664 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:15,039 anything that we've got, and that they seem to be within our airspace and 665 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,400 you know, uh and water space, you know, our waters as well, 666 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,360 and and that why wouldn't we be concerned about that type of thing, 667 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:30,880 especially knowing that other countries are doing the looking. And at the same time 668 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,000 that you know that, we're trying to say that it could be potentially we 669 00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:38,440 don't since we don't know the origin, it could be up that somebody else 670 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,719 has made greater advancements than we have, and why wouldn't we want to know 671 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,679 that? And that and so that's I think that that's that's finally coming around, 672 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,480 and we don't have the answers, and neither does the belief that that 673 00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:57,880 the government has the answers per se in my book. Um, but it 674 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,800 also doesn't preclude the fact that we aren't interested and haven't been interested in the 675 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:08,239 standpoint of looking at it from the propulsion systems and how do we build these 676 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,800 things? And if you think about us not paying attention to looking into anti 677 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,079 gravity or now that certainly we've done that over this time, that's what the 678 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:22,360 military would do. It would be a look in all the contracting firms and 679 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,599 the companies and locks and the boeings at being able to look into that. 680 00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:31,800 I don't know if you saw that that the Navy came out that has a 681 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,960 couple of patents. Are you aware that that patent thing that's going on with 682 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,360 the United States? Okay, so there's a if you go look up Salvatorius 683 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,440 Fizar Paias, who is got a number of patents now right now that are 684 00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:52,280 looking at building something on the scale of a tic TAC and it gets into 685 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,719 high energy electromagnetic field generators, it gets into using a vacuum states around the 686 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,679 object, it uses microwave transmitters. Uh, it's singing it up. You 687 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,719 know that. You know that, and it's creating it this kind of like 688 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,719 a vacuum. And the whole paper is built around the fact that you reduce 689 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,039 your inertial masks and your gravitational mask, and you can get to the point 690 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:20,519 where you could do that very kind of thing like the tic TAC and so 691 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,840 yeah, I mean, yeah exactly. I mean you can do every all 692 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,360 you can do basically the same kinds of things that the tick tack is doing. 693 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,840 And you know you're not going to suffer the inertial mask. You're going 694 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,679 to be reducing your your the weight, your weight, you're going to be 695 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,199 able to interact. And so just these kind of like patents that are out 696 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,400 there are in the Navy, and and uh, I've been reading them. 697 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,960 How put Off is also cited in in that with this polarizable vacuum approach to 698 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:58,119 general relativity. So I guess what I'm trying to get at is science is 699 00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,400 progressing to the point where getting to the point where I think that we be 700 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:07,079 able to develop those kind of technologies. But you have to realize if these 701 00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,760 objects have been doing this for a very very very long time, right, 702 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,599 and so we're going to start to see the potential for us to do that. 703 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,679 But it's still in the theoretical world. I mean, we don't I 704 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,719 don't know that we're going to hear from Lucky Martin that they've actually gone out 705 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,159 and maybe done this, or if they'll release it to us, or if 706 00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,639 it's going to remain you know, a top secret to a type of an 707 00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:36,000 evert. But I think that we are actually experimenting in these kinds of things, 708 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,320 and why wouldn't we be. I mean, we've had plenty of time 709 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,800 looking at this. Now, what about that that theory or that you were 710 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:50,679 talking about. Does that address Um, there's never any one reporting, you 711 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,639 know, the sound barrier being broken when this thing takes off. Does that 712 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,159 address that? It does address that? It sure does. Wow, it 713 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,559 does that address that? You know? And so so I mean, you 714 00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,679 know, if I guess what I'm trying to get at it is if you 715 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:08,519 look at those five traits that lou Alesando talks about in his presentation, uh, 716 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:17,159 this type of an object could uh the Navy had put together is is 717 00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:22,760 basically probably capable of doing that very thing. H and all those types of 718 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,559 things would be able to function in the water as much as in air and 719 00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:32,079 as much as in space, so it's trans medium. It would be able 720 00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:42,840 to uh basically maneuver seamlessly without the inertia issues. Uh, you know, 721 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,679 so you could have a conceivably a pilot on the inside of it. I 722 00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:50,360 don't know how how that they would be shielded or whatever like that from the 723 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,039 the high energy electromagnetic field generators, but he even had in his diagram some 724 00:56:54,119 --> 00:57:00,000 sort of shielding to be able to protect somebody. So I mean, that's 725 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,239 we're starting to get there, I think, you know, is what I'm 726 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:07,119 trying to get at, is that we'll be able to and then interesting enough 727 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:12,960 that these use microwave transmitters. And when I was doing the landing case that 728 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,440 I investigated back in the seventies where a seventy foot in diameter area was completely 729 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,239 baked two feet in the ground, you know, and all the week was 730 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,400 gone, there's puff weeat around the perimeter of the seventy foot diameter, there 731 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,360 is microwave radiation. Are they using microwave, you know, transmitters. Is 732 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:36,039 that what's involved here? And does that bake the soil like we're expecting. 733 00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:38,920 So so you get what I'm saying right, it's it's it's it's a wonderful 734 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:44,760 time. It's exciting. And I think that sciences is we're going to more 735 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,760 and more progress to the point where we're going to be able to look at 736 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,760 and build some of these types of things. Wow. Um, the guest 737 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,000 I had last week, but it was more or less convinced that what we're 738 00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:01,000 seeing as time travelers and um, you know, in a little tiny way 739 00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:07,039 that could fit in that's development of something you know, way in the future 740 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,960 you know that we're actually seeing. But I thought it was an interesting theory 741 00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,599 anyway. Um, But as far as you know, the thing that always 742 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,079 comes up when you talk to someone that is uh, you know, rightly 743 00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:23,199 skeptic of how we are being visited, um, that it always comes up 744 00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:28,039 with the vast distance that it is to the nearest you know, star system, 745 00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:32,079 the nearest solar system four and a half years that they were. I 746 00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:37,119 wish that they would have been in my conference because doctor Kevin canue on and 747 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:44,360 Devin, if you've ever heard him. His presentation was on relativistic interstallar travel, 748 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:49,800 and you find out that typically if you look and this is the interesting 749 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,760 thing I think that he did. He looked at the speech of UFO cases 750 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:59,719 that we have that we have the like, for example, the faa uh 751 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:05,199 case in a least, he looked at the and the head radar right, 752 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,559 So he looked at the speed there, and he looked at the speed of 753 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:12,119 the tiktak, and he looked at h speed from the Bethoon case. And 754 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,519 he put all these cases together and he said, these are the speeds that 755 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:20,440 these objects seem to be going. Okay, so let me project that out 756 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,400 and say can they go at relative speeds that we know of? And the 757 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:31,119 answer was yes, And so then he progresses into the point of talking about 758 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:36,320 okay, so now if you've got that and you could build a craft that 759 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,119 could do that, basically, how would you go out and to go into 760 00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:44,199 the interstellar and how long would it check you to do that? And then 761 00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:46,400 you get into the time tulation kind of thing where you know, as you 762 00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:51,039 go towards the speed of light, time slows down for the people on board, 763 00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:52,760 right, So it gets to the point where you could go to these 764 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:58,360 you know, these light light speeds if you let are near near the light 765 00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:02,760 speed, and for them to go across the entire universe, it's only a 766 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:10,519 matter of months, all right, So it's in their time, and of 767 01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:14,239 course for us back here, it's going to be like you know, thoughts 768 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,079 of years or whatever like that. So we keep hearing about the fact, 769 01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:19,480 oh, it's going to take you too long, because we're keeping it from 770 01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,280 the standpoint of our own perspective. What you have to do is you look 771 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,840 at it. If you get near the speed of light, it's going down 772 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,519 for them and for them, And he projected that and showed that these people 773 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:31,320 could literally be on the other side of the galaxy in a matter of a 774 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,519 day or something of that makes things got that time all planned out. And 775 01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:40,679 then what if we were going to build and want to go and go to 776 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,960 other extrasolar planets and we believe that life is well, guess what you would 777 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,360 do. You would shoot off and you would become nomadic. You would go 778 01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:53,840 with a whole bunch of other people with you and basically go to that location 779 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,920 because you know you're not going to be coming back. You're going to go 780 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,639 to that place and you're gonna basically inhabit it, right, and then you 781 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,960 go and shoot off again to other places from that maybe that point of reference, 782 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:07,639 knowing that you're not going to come back and stuff like that. So 783 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,159 eventually you can get to the point where it because you're only traveling just a 784 01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,639 matter of months, you're basically there. You go and you settle down, 785 01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:19,079 and you get scared away, and then you take off to other places. 786 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,480 In a very short order, you could be already achieved going to multiple places 787 01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:30,519 that are inhabited or potential places where you could live. And and so what's 788 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,800 the problem here? You know, I mean, you get what I'm saying, 789 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,320 right, And so that was his point, and that it was a 790 01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:42,039 very dramatic presentation. It did a lot of brief rame for a lot of 791 01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:47,519 us because ultimately it's a situation where we, you know, we can do 792 01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:52,599 that, We could conceivably do that if we had even just the capabilities of 793 01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,239 a UFO, so that they've been demonstrating in those kinds of speech. That 794 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,639 said, for the free part of the show thing, thank you so much 795 01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:05,400 for listening. We'll be back next week with Robbie Graham. And as you 796 01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:09,599 probably have noticed, I've been leaving the full unedited shows and for several weeks 797 01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:14,559 now. 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