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Massachusetts Attorney General Andrea Joy Campbell is
taking on a neo Nazi group accused of

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engaging in violent, threatening, and
intimidating conduct. The Nationalist Socialist The Nationalist

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Social Club or n SC one three
one, allegedly disrupted LGBTQ plus events,

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targeted immigrant shelters, and even fancied
themselves as Thespians during a Drag Queen Story

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Hour while violently disrupting the events.
The lawsuit seeks to hold them accountable,

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proving that while you may hide your
face and wear our uniform, you cannot

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always hide your wallet. The reality
often can be stranger than fiction. It

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can be far less entertaining. As
the legal curtain rises, Massachusetts is determined

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to make sure this neo Nazi saga
doesn't get rave reviews. This story is

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from UPI dot com by Don Jacobson
on eight December twenty twenty three. I

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have more to say as usual here
from the panel, and so Kelly,

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let's go over to you. Yeah, it's about time that law enforcement is

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starting to look at this wider array
of alleged crimes as some of these neo

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Nazi groups. I think a lot
of us knew for a long, long

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time that these weren't isolated incidents,
but they were a plan campaign of terrorism,

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even though we don't maybe see the
planning above board. And I hope

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you actually open to see even more
lawsuits like this holding new organations too.

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Yeah, yeah, they're actually holding
some of these people accountable. Finally.

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Yeah, you're right. It is
about ducking time. You know, every

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time I see these guys, you
see them wearing the mask, and I

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know I've heard other people say it, but it always gets me when I

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see them, you know, and
it always makes me wonder. I'm sure

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it makes you guys wonder too.
And at least of the original Nazis assholes

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enough as they were, they were
at least brave enough to show their faces.

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But not these cowardly neo Nazis.
And and why is it right?

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Because because they know that what they're
doing is breaking the law. They know

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it, and they're trying to make
it so that it's going to be harder

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and harder to find them. So
I'm looking at this whole lawsuit. There's

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a really really good thing. I'm
really enjoying the fact that it's happening.

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It appears that the rest of America
is pretty much just fed up with their

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baby crying and well, at least
the people in Massachusetts are anyway, right,

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and we can only hope that this
attitude spreads further and further across the

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country throughout the next coming months and
stuff. I'd love to see more of

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it, Scott, what you got
to say, I mean, I wholeheartedly

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agree with you on that. I
am happy to see that. You know,

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people are getting sick of this kind
of stuff and are starting to either

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act or demand action. I think
they know that there's one thing worth noting

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here, and that the group is
proudly proclaiming that they are neo Nazis.

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You know, they're out there wearing
the costumes, they're doing the little dance

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move, they're chanting their slogans and
what. But if we want to talk

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about the good old days, what
happened to the good old days where Nazi

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was like a bad thing? You
know that, you know, when they

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had to hide That in itself is
a troubling trend. I think. According

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to a twenty nineteen Pew Research study, most Americans sixty five percent, including

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majorities across racial and ethnic groups,
say it's become more common for people to

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express racist or racially insensitive views in
recent years, A smaller but substantial share

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forty five percent, say that it's
become more acceptable. So we're seeing not

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only are these groups becoming more bold
in their displaying, you know, their

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messed up beliefs, but it's becoming
more socially acceptable. We were just talking

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about how people are standing up,
and I think what we're seeing there is

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some kind of division happening here.
You know, we have people on one

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side of the issue that are saying
that are saying, wait a minute,

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these are you know, Nazis,
This is a bad thing. But on

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the other side of the there's a
growing contingent of people that are sympathetic to

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this kind of thing. And you
know, not only is it becoming more

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socially acceptable to be a Nazi again
and again it amazes me that I would

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even say something like that, but
there's also but those groups that are becoming

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more and more visible are also becoming
bolder and more active in the things that

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they do. For example, this
is a Government Accountability Office study. They

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released a report saying the number of
FBI domestic terrorism investigations has more than doubled

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since twenty twenty and this report was
released in twenty twenty one. Over the

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course of that one year, the
number of investigations has doubled, and the

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number of open FBI investigations specifically has
more than quadrupled since twenty thirteen. And

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so we're seeing this drastic increase.
And you know, it's what we see

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here is increased social acceptability of hatred, increased willingness to act on that hatred,

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and of course increase usage of growing
technology to spread that hatred. And

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so you know, this is a
very dangerous cocktail that we're mixing up here,

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and I think we have to I
think I think, like like you

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were saying, Kelly, there is
room for optimism there as as we see

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action being taken. But I think
we also have to be more cautious.

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You know, the old You know, a drowning man is dangerous to be

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around. And because they get more
aggressive in their ability in their efforts to

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stay afloat. And so as these
as these groups get more and more marginalized

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by the population as a whole,
they're getting bolder and more outgoing in their

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own little niche. And so you
know, we have to we have to

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be careful, Aaron, what are
your thoughts on that, you know,

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I don't have any I have no
ever bill find any kind of studies or

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resources show the source of why this
is all happening. The one where the

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you said that, really, I
really onto was emboldened. But I think

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deep down these groups are just emboldened
by somebody, somebody who is leading this

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country, who said the things that
people were thinking. He was saying out

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loud, the things that people were
he was saying the silent parts right right

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right, And so that really kind
of emboldened people to start sharing what they

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actually believe out loud. And I
think also social media can somebody's become an

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echo chamber where you're just surrounded by
people that believe the same things as you

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do, and so that you kind
of maybe think, you know, you

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little louder in what you're saying because
you're surrounded people that believe the same things.

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I think what this group was doing
to these these events is pretty atrocious.

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You know, they're out there,
they purport to be protecting people from

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uh, pedophiles, what the who
they call pedophiles? But it really just

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drag queens out telling stories. Uh
they think that these people are a danger

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to families, when in reality,
the real danger to families are these guys

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themselves. You know, they're showing
to these events in full on masks,

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you can't see their faces. They're
armed, they're violent, and then some

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of they get in, they get
into the actual event and they're calling people

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names, they're aggressively approaching parents with
kids present. Uh, those can be

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pretty traumatic events for kids. Uh. You know, I'll take a story

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hour by whoever's telling the story over
somebody coming in, who's armed, who's

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violent, who's yelling, who's trying
to cause a scene, because because that

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kind of odes, that causes way, way, way more damage to people

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and to kids into families than story
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story. Jonathan, what do you
think? Oh, you're on mute,

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Jonathan. I did be a bit
of a deep dive on uh on this.

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My first thing I did was I
went to the actual filing of the

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the you know, the actual suit
filing, and I went down and there

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were just hundreds, it seemed like, of events, including the physical assault

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of two people who organize one of
the drag story hours at the door and

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one was thrown on the ground and
kicked repeatedly, and nobody was arrested for

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that because they couldn't determine who did
it, though they suspect they need,

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of course, in our criminal justice
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just well he might have been.
So that was one thing, But there

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were a couple of other things.
If that happened in Fall River, Massachusetts,

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and then they went up to Taunton, and they actually shut one down

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because they canceled the event when they
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this organization showing up. Another time, there was a group of them that

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came down and started, but there
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so they just stood outside the front
door of it and congregated there. In

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the meantime, counter protesters showed up
and they started giving Nazi salutes to the

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protesters and screaming epithets and that sort
of thing, and they finally they started

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leaving, and then a few of
them broke off and engaged the other pro

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the counter protesters, and a fight
broke out and the police had to break

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it up. I believe three people
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are trying, but again they're cowards. They're hiding behind masks. This kind

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of thing is just to me is
just absolutely un American as hell. And

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that's probably not a really good way
to say that, but oh, I

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think that's an excellent way to say
it. Well, yeah, but you

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know, I don't believe in hell, but you know, okay, but

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I think this is something that we
all have have have to deal with the

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normalization of this kind of activity at
all. It really requires the intervention of

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law enforcement. It requires the intervention
of the citizens in the area just basically

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screaming at these people and telling them
to go away, because they actually I

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think they actually believe that people will
join them rather than chastise them, because

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they are getting, you know,
positive feedback, like you said, from

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the internet and that sort of thing. They call one of these groups the

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bully Squad. Now that if that
doesn't tell you what they're intending to do

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when they show up at these things, I don't know what would. So,

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you know, their whole thing about
these LGBTQ plus people promote harmful and

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degenerate lifestyles such as homosexually, transsexuality
and drag culture. In quotes, what

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is drag culture? Well, I
don't know. Maybe RuPaul could talk a

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little bit about that, but I'm
just and the slurs they used, we

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don't need to know how that really
gets under my skin. I mean the

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fact there are Nazis openly parading around
with Nazi regalia and Nazi flags in my

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country. After I lost two uncles
and I had another uncle who suffered PTSD

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his whole life because of that particular
war, I am like not a happy

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camp when it comes to these people. So I'm going to just go ahead

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and pass this, Kelly, because
before I get a little bit willing to

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go into some of my diatribes,
Kelly, Well, I'm at a loss

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because guy, when he brought up
all the statistics wiped out the second half

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of my notes. But Ninja,
Yeah, I was writing some things down

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real quick as I was listening to
everybody, and Aaron brought up a really

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good point about the Internet being an
echo chamber and that emboldening them. And

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I think it's not just that about
the Internet, but it's also that anonymity

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and the lack of ramifications to being
openly the way they are now. You

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know, they can go out on
the internet say a bunch of shitty stuff

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and then nobody nothing happens to them, and I think that emboldens them a

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lot too, emboldens them a lot
too. Toy boat, toy boat,

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toy boat. So I I don't
want to blame the Internet for it.

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I don't think we should censor the
Internet or anything like that. I'm just

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looking at maybe these are some of
the causes of the problem. How do

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you solve that? I have no
freaking clue. You know, I really

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really don't like I say. I'm
totally against censoring of the Internet, So

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that's not an option to me.
And John, you said that this is

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anti American, and I'm going to
disagree with you. I mean, you

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go back to the know nothing's in
the eighteen fifties, this kind of ideals,

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Yeah, this is this is American
as all hell. It might be

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against the ideals on which America was
founded, but it is not an entire

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ameragean in any way because our society, American society keeps coming up with a

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bunch of degenerate eye groups like this, and we have throughout our entire history.

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So that's about all I could come
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So, Scott, what do you
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have another you're you're talking about you
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increased use of the technology and the
internet. Here I did find a little

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bit. This is from twenty eighteen
report from an organization called START, which

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is the Study of Terrorism and Responses
to Terrorism. They found that far right

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extremists were forty three percent likely to
use social media as a primary or secondary

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tool in their radicalization project process,
compared to only thirty seven percent for far

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left groups and thirty six percent for
single issue groups. And so not only

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is social media and so forth enabling
these groups to become more effective in turning

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people to their causes and whatnot,
but it's a little bit lopsided. You

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know, the far right is taking
a little bit more advantage of this new

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technology than everyone else, and so
it's troubling. We talk about it's easy

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to talk about well, I suppose
it's easy to talk about the negatives.

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I was going to say, it's
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Internet and the positives of advanced technology. But this is an example of one

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of those negatives. You know,
I suppose in some way that could be

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part and parcel of having, you
know, a free society with free speech

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and so on. But you know, there is there has to be a

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line there. There has to be
a line between free speech and a harmful

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speech. And so it's interesting that
we are that we're now kind of bumping

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up against against that. One last
little, quick little tidbit here. In

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an August twenty twenty three profile of
the group that I found from Boston Globe,

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they interviewed a former special agent with
the FBI named Mike Jerman, and

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he said, this, our country's
legal infrastructure historically doesn't see white supremacy as

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a national security threat. The groups
that are prosecuted in far more lenient fashion

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than what we typically see in gang
or international terrorism prosecutions. And so it's

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a little bit lopsided in the use
of technology. It's a little bit lopsided

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than the use of law enforcement.
And you know, being on the radar

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there and so hopefully we're we see
things change. I don't know. I

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suppose time will tell, and you
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do is kind of keep bringing it
up and keep talking about it in forums

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like this. I don't know,
Aaron, you got any well, I

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really like what you said about freedom
of speech. And there's a difference between

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you know, I will definite people's
rights to to to speak with their mind

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speak what they believe, just as
long as that speech doesn't become violent,

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doesn't encourage violence, does it encouraged
name there's no name call, there's you

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can get your point across and be
kind, uh and be you know,

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respectful other people. If you don't, if you think that, you know,

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uh, drag Queen Story Hour is
a bad thing. I'm sure you

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can get out there with signs that
and get your point across without throwing up

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with guns, without showing up masked, without showing up and kicking people and

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breaking ribs and things like that.
So I would think you would think,

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and you know, you're not setting
the bar very high there. Just don't

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hurt people, you know, just
don't just don't touch that right. That's

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that's where I draw the line.
Speak your mind, speak what you want

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to speak, all offend that right
even if I disagree with you, but

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don't don't engender, don't encourage violence, don't encourage hate. But and then

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one of the these people are way
more activated on the right than other groups

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are and because they're out there and
they're they're fighting their fight, and there

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needs to be people from the other
side fighting the fight against them, and

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we just don't see that happening as
much. And it's really easy for apathy

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to get a hold of us and
and just kind of let problems like this

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go by when when they need to
be actively fought against. I think we're

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starting to see more and more activism
going is come snapping back at them.

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It's not happening as fast as I
would like to see it happen, but

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I think it's happening. And you
were saying, you know that you'd like

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to see people at least be kind. You know, I don't care if

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they're kind. I just want them
to be civil. Yeah, that's all

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I care about. As long as
they can just be civil and sit down

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and have a conversation. It's a
better word. One of the problems you

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were talking about, the prosecutions and
stuff not really favoring them. I remember

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under Obama and when the Justice Department
did the study and came out with the

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statement that white supremacy was the biggest
terrorism problem in the United States at that

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point in how the far right was
far right organizations were, and the GOP

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was up in arms over it,
like they were being directly accused of being

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terrorists, which would never happened,
you know, but here was one of

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our one of our two major political
parties that was actually setting a smokescreen for

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it to happen, you base,
Yeah, so, and I guess with

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that, Uh, if you'd like
to keep this conversation going, you know,

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check out some of the ACA social
groups on the Facebook groups and on discord