1 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:38,840 What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Let's Ask Paul, the 2 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,759 podcast where you get to ask me Paul Abernathy anything you want about the National 3 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,600 Electrical Code and all things electrically related. If selected, your question will be 4 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,759 featured on an upcoming podcast much like today's, or I will respond in an 5 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:58,159 email. But remember, all you have to do is you have to go 6 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,560 to Paul Abernathy dot com and simply put your name in email address and put 7 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,079 your question in and again, if selected, will be on an upcoming podcast 8 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:10,640 or responded in an email. Please be patient. We have tons of them 9 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,159 and I'm trying to get through them and sort through them. So again, 10 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:15,560 it takes time to be able to get to all that. So again, 11 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:19,439 I appreciate you sending in those questions. Though it's totally paid for by Wicks, 12 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,599 it's sponsored, you don't have to worry about a cost. Then, 13 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,959 just remember I can't be your personal consultants, so don't ask me how to 14 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,079 do an installation, ask me a code question, ask me something else in 15 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:36,719 electrical industry, how to start, how to promote, But don't ask me 16 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,280 to be your consultant, because I can't do it unless you want to do 17 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:44,840 a paid consulting again liability reasons only, I cannot design your system. Okay, 18 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,920 all right, enough of that, all right. So also I want 19 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,200 to give a couple announcements to a couple of products that we have over on 20 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:56,840 our website fastracksystem dot com. Y'all all heard me talk about the voltage drop 21 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,560 NFC cards. They are really thick and the NFC if you don't tell us 22 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,400 what you want it to scan to, we'll scan it to our mobile app 23 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:07,799 so you can get access to all the tools right away that are on our 24 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,120 mobile app if you don't have it already installed on your phone. And then 25 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:15,000 we also have new what's called conductor length cards. Now, these cards are 26 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,599 designed to tell you how much wires still left on a reel in a barrel, 27 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,879 or maybe on a coil of MCA or something like that, or maybe 28 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:29,960 our pull pros that we have at Encore, all those type of things. 29 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,960 But anyway, this conductor link will get you really, really really close. 30 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,719 And it's all based on ambient temperature, so you'll need to know what the 31 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:39,080 temperature is approximately in the area that you're at, although I will tell you 32 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,919 on the back. We give a wide range from seventy five to ninety because 33 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,719 that's typically the area that you might be in a conditioned space. It's not 34 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,039 going to help you try to measure it if you're out in a one hundred 35 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:55,240 degrees outside, although you can probably assimilate what the changes would be, but 36 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,199 we give you most of that on the back of the card. These are 37 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:06,360 thick cards, forty five mili a millimeters thick, and they're engraved and it 38 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,000 gives you step by step and then if you don't want to use our values 39 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:10,719 on the back, we actually show you how to take the values from the 40 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Chapter nine Table eight, which is based on one hundred and sixty seven degrees 41 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,599 fahrenheit seventy five degrees celsius, and we convert them for you so that you 42 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,039 don't have to but there is a formulae here for you to do it. 43 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,800 And the reason that we're using everything in fahrenheit is because in order to measure 44 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,960 resistance, you have to have the ambient temperature and the wire has to be 45 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,199 acclimated to the ambient temperature that you're testing in order for you to get an 46 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,439 accurate resistance over the length of the conductor. And that's the only way the 47 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,759 equation can be really accurate. I'll give you an example. We did a 48 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,560 test with what the NEC said at one hundred and sixty seven degrees fahrenheit at 49 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,199 for one thousand feet of twelve gauge, which is one point nine to three 50 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,719 ohms per thousand feet, and we had a thousand foot roll. Well, 51 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,039 if you use that table, it said there was only eight hundred sum feet 52 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,000 on the role. If you use the ambient temperature, it was right dead 53 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:10,319 on at a thousand feet. We knew that role was exactly a thousand feet, 54 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,840 So you know, we've tested it out. But again, many people 55 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,240 teach you how to determine the remainder by using resistance, but they don't take 56 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:24,439 into effect the ambient temperature. That is going to be a key player when 57 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,240 you're trying to measure lengths. So we do that for you on this card. 58 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,560 It's available on our website. Go check it out. It's under the 59 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:36,240 engraved Products over on fasttracksystem dot com. All right, so let's get into 60 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,240 today's question. Today's question was submitted through the portal. It says, Dear 61 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,600 Paul, I watch your videos and listen to your podcast all the time. 62 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:48,639 Thank you for everything you do for the trade, We're most welcome, says 63 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:54,199 I'm about to start a new project to install at two hundred and AM three 64 00:04:54,279 --> 00:05:00,839 phase meter and panel three OT copper conductors. This installation will be in the 65 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:04,240 basement of a building. Okay. So it's a two part question. Okay, 66 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,480 So this is the first part. Situation is I will be running RMC 67 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:15,160 conduit for the service raceway, but just before I get to the meter, 68 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:21,959 I will be transitioning to RMC to five feet FMC to the top of the 69 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,639 meter. Do you need a supply side bonding jumper over the FMC section? 70 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:32,199 Okay, So first of all, let's talk about the FMC. The question 71 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:38,839 that everybody will have is can you use FMC to enclose service entrance conductors? 72 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:43,920 Any answer to that is yes. If you go to two thirty forty three, 73 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:49,120 item number fifteen, it says it flexible metal conduit or FMC not over 74 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:57,519 six feet long okay, okay, not over six feet long between a raceway 75 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:02,480 or between a raceway and service equipment, and with a supply side bonding jumper 76 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:10,680 routed with the flexible metal conduit according to two fifty one zero two ABC and 77 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:15,639 E. So the answer to the first part of the question is can I 78 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,639 do that? Well, you said your FMC was only five feet, Absolutely, 79 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:25,439 and do you have to put in the bonding jumper. Absolutely, And 80 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:31,279 you'll get all of that right from two thirty forty three Item fifteen. So 81 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:36,439 that answer pretty much answers that question. The second part of the question says, 82 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:43,120 I will be using two feet of flexible metal conduit FMC from the meter 83 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:48,439 to the panel. Because of flexibility, do I need to run a supply 84 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:54,800 side bonding jumper from the panel from the panel to the meter and install two 85 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,000 bonding bushings with lay in lugs at both ends in size based on Table two 86 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:06,839 fifty one oh two C one, the equipment has eccentric and concentric KOs Okay, 87 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,480 so brings in two parts to this one. Obviously, any anywhere that's 88 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:17,199 going to have service entrance conductors and you're going to be using FMC, you're 89 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 going to have to have a supply side bonding jumper. Shear fact that it 90 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:25,199 has service conductors in it tells you that it's on the supply side of the 91 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,560 service disconnect. Now again, other people would would would would kind of go 92 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,600 in and say, well, what about emergency disconnects. But he never said 93 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:38,800 anything about this being a dwelling is at the basement of a building, So 94 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:42,480 I'm not going to speculate on any other application. I'm not going to speculate 95 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,480 of grouping. I'm not going to speculate whether there's more than one service to 96 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:48,399 a building. There's many of you out there who will speculate I am. 97 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:54,079 I am not as a as an expert in consulting. I have learned through 98 00:07:54,079 --> 00:08:01,120 the years that you you protect yourself because you only comment on what is presented. 99 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,040 You do not speculate. Now, you can do it in your real 100 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,240 world all you want, but when you're giving advice to people, do not 101 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:13,040 elaborate on things that you do not know. Unless you can give friendly advice 102 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,439 to some kind of strangling thing out there that they need to make sure that 103 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,680 they do get right. I'm not going to tell them how to install it. 104 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,279 I'm not telling what fittings to use. I'm not going to tell them 105 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,519 where to spond to install the system bonding the supply side bonding jumper, for 106 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,920 example, inside the raceway, outside the raceway. I am not getting in. 107 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,960 That's their choice. I'm just going to tell them that they have to 108 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:39,639 do it. Okay, Now, so that two foot peet, you obviously 109 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,840 are going to have to have to maintain the integrity basically skipping over this FMC 110 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,519 so that it's almost like it's not there when it comes to you know, 111 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,039 a condition where it all the bonding is take place. So yes, you're 112 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:56,000 gonna have to put that supply side bonding jumper in. You can put it 113 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,279 inside outside whatever that That choice is really up to you to do that, 114 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,279 but yes, you would need to do it. And say, now when 115 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,799 it comes to eccentric or concentric KOs, since you're doing service, then you 116 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:16,080 have to worry about the requirements in two fifty ninety two. Okay, so 117 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:22,120 obviously if you have concentric eccentric KOSH, then you got to You can't use 118 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:26,080 a standard lock nut for the you can for mechanical, but you cannot for 119 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,759 the integrity because those are considered impairments, unless, of course, your enclosure 120 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:39,679 is listed where those actual KOs are rated for a voltage higher than say two 121 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,840 fifty vaults the ground. That type of scenario, it's typically not what I 122 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,399 would see on a typical service enclosure, especially one that's got the concentric or 123 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,399 eccentric knockouts. Okay, so just keep that in mind and all else fails. 124 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:56,480 If you're going to use all of the your leave the concentric or eccentric 125 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,399 rings, additional rings in there, then I would go on and put a 126 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,120 bombing jumper on that, and you'd be honest with you, I'm not giving 127 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,200 any advice, but as long as that supply side bombing jumpers has ran inside 128 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,519 and it's long enough and it's sized properly, then you could bring it into 129 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,679 the panel, loop it through a lay and lug that's on the actual bushing, 130 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:20,360 and then take it to the bus. But I'm not telling you how 131 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:28,840 to install it. Okay, I'm not going to be be doing that well, 132 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,960 but that's just just my take on that. Okay. Let's see here 133 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:39,279 and it says and you're in the twenty seventeen NEC Okay, it says service 134 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,519 cable three out copper tn thwn, x HHW DAS two. It's not going 135 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,320 to be all three of those, so most of the time it's probably gonna 136 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,799 be either THHHN THWN DASH two or it's going to be XHHW DASH two. 137 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,279 Probably that just depends on which one you want to run. That's that's up 138 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,320 to you. Lastly, it says, my understanding is that I need to 139 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:05,799 run a AWG copper from the panel's main neutral bar to the first bushing lay 140 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,279 in inside or outside of the FMC over to the next bushing lane. I 141 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:15,919 say, if you want it to be totally continuous like that, perfectly fine 142 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,559 to do that. And you're in as far as sizing goes. If you're 143 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,759 doing this based on the fact that you've got the three out, which is 144 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,639 what you would use in two fifty one zero two. Uh. If you're 145 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,279 doing that, then you would look in see since you only have the one 146 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,919 race way, so you're gonna be in C one and so on the table 147 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,679 it looks like copper three out it would be absolutely would be a four gage. 148 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,720 That's two table two fifty one H two C one. Okay, So 149 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:50,799 that's the best advice I can give you on that one. But it sounds 150 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,960 like but that last statement, it sounds like you are on track for what 151 00:11:54,039 --> 00:12:00,200 I would do. Now for everybody says that that what you have to worry 152 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,320 about is parallels things like that. Well, you remember, we can use 153 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,480 the neutral to bond all metal parts on the supply side. If we want 154 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,840 to two fifty one forty two permits us to do that. Okay, so 155 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,559 you know, keep keep that in mind, okay as well when you're when 156 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,000 you're thinking about ooh, these these things that you can do on the supply 157 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:28,519 side. Okay, all right, let's see here, oh see, okay, 158 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,799 see if we have another question. Okay, So the next question we 159 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:39,000 have presented, says Paul. If if suppose you are looking to build a 160 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:46,879 meter bank set up for three tenants using two thirty forty exception number two allowance, 161 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:52,960 and you're looking to size the neutral, where do you differentiate the neutral 162 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,559 size between the overhead service conductors down to the trough and the neutrals? You 163 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:05,600 sply to each smaller set of conductors that go to each one hundred to one 164 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,240 twenty five amp meter. Is there any way you can explain what note three 165 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:16,519 on the table two fifty one zero two C one means when it says or 166 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:24,240 equivalent size of the largest ungrounded supply conductors shall be determined by the largest sum 167 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:30,080 of the area of the corresponding conductors of each set. What is the area 168 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,679 referring to? Is it are we measuring a conductor? Yes, the area 169 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,720 would be the circular mills. Okay, it says I would like I would 170 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:45,080 think that I size the initial overhead service conductors that supply all three meters per 171 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,960 the calculated load, okay, and the neutral conductor for this for each set 172 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,679 would be plucked from this table based on the largest ungrounded conductor okay, to 173 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:00,879 that piece of equipment, to that service equipment. Yes, but then we 174 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:03,639 are we still doing the same when we drop the size of the wire from 175 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,679 the splice in the trough to the feed the meters? For example, would 176 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,279 you just size your wire for the load over current device to be used? 177 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,440 If I were if I were to install one hundred ANP meters for all three 178 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,519 and one hundred anp main breakers for each am I sizing my neutral based on 179 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,399 the one hundred and amp on grounded conductor? Or is Note three telling me 180 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,360 to calculate differently? Okay? So what we've got to do is we're going 181 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:37,480 to go look at two fifty one zero two C one and I will explain 182 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,320 it to you. So let me go to two point fifty one zero two 183 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:54,840 and let's see here. Okay, all right, so you're installing the application. 184 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:58,360 Oh first, let's go in and look at your application. So your 185 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,200 application is two thirty forty exception number two. So let's go look at that 186 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,600 first. That way we we have a good idea of what you're trying to 187 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:13,600 construct here, right, So we're going to go to two thirty dotty. 188 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:18,480 Hopefully you got your codebooks you can follow on, and we're looking at exception 189 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,799 number two. Okay, so exception number two read it now. By the 190 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:24,679 way, for those that don't know what two thirty dot forty is, this 191 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,799 is the number of service entrance conductor sets. So you have one service to 192 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,519 a building, but you are permitted, for example, to make a connection 193 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,799 to that one service drop. Let's say let's just use overhead drop or whatever 194 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,559 that's coming to a building. You're able to tap onto that and go to 195 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:48,399 different service disconnects all grouped in one location, right, or they don't have 196 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,639 to be grouped in one location. You could have this. An example of 197 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:54,240 this would be like an exception number one where it says, okay, you're 198 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:58,240 tapping to it, and then that those service entran conductors as long as they 199 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,320 stay outside of the building. Hell, they could wrap around the building and 200 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,480 then the moment they go to that individual dwelling unit, that's say, in 201 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,600 a multi family building, then you're limited to up to six, okay, 202 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,519 But these conductors stay outside of the building, so you're okay to make a 203 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,320 connection to the service drop, let's say. And then as long as their 204 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:21,120 service interesance conductors are outside, they can run around the building and then enter, 205 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,720 and then you have to meet all the rules of nearest point of entry 206 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,960 and all that kind of stuff. But that's that's an okay application. That's 207 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:33,279 exception number one. Exception number two to this says, we're two to six 208 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,120 service disinictum means in separate enclosures, and that's what he wants to do. 209 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:40,879 Are grouped in one location and they are remember he said it was coming to 210 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:44,679 a trough and then underneath it you had three one hund panels. Okay, 211 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,879 it says, and supply separate loads from one service drop. So it is 212 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:55,440 one drop coming down into or one overhead service conductors coming down into the trough 213 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,480 and then splicing onto it and then coming down to three different undernap service disconnects. 214 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,880 That's what he said he's doing, and that's what so far Exception number 215 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:10,079 two is allowing it says, so where two to six service discim can means 216 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,039 and separate enclosures are grouped in one location and supply separate loads from one service 217 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,599 drop one set of overhead service conductors, which is what he's doing, set 218 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:25,880 up underground service conductors or service laterals. One set of service in conductors shall 219 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:32,640 be permitted to supply each of several such service equipment and closures. So what 220 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:37,519 that's allowing me to do is to have one drop splice onto that come down, 221 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,920 whether it's underground, whether or not it's overhead or whatever. It's allowing 222 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,960 me to do that and have those three right there grouped in that one location 223 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:55,000 under that meter. So that's the exception number two that he's doing. Now 224 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:56,599 that exception, by the way, is to the rule that says you can 225 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:02,119 only have one set of service ins conductors. Obviously this is allowing me to 226 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,799 have what multiple sets, So typically they originate in one location and then it 227 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,079 separates out and hits up to six grouped in one location. So that's exception 228 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:18,319 number two. So we've established that. So now he's asking about the sizing 229 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,559 the ground to conductor. Now, first thing is to remember the grounded conductor 230 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,799 that's coming from the service point of attachment down. Okay, So in the 231 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:30,160 moment that it becomes part of the NEC, that point of attachment okay, 232 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,200 not the drop service drop that's outside of our scope. That's the utility code. 233 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:40,160 But once if it's an overhead service conductors, then it means that it 234 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:45,000 transitioned and so now it's under the NEEC. Or if it's from the point 235 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,079 of attachment down to that trough, that is now under the NEEC. So 236 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,440 it has to be sized accordance to the NEC. Now think about this. 237 00:18:55,039 --> 00:19:00,680 Your rules in two twenty dot sixty one are going to tell us what that 238 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,839 we have to size based on what the calculated load and it's and when it 239 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,640 comes to the neutral which is what that deals with, is we're talking about 240 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,960 what to twenty dot sixty one tells me that I'm going to size the servicer 241 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:23,680 feeder neutral for the maximum unbalanced load determined by the Article two twenty calculation. 242 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:26,759 So we have to know what our neutral loads are. We we have to 243 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:30,799 know that first right now. One of the other things that we have to 244 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:36,640 be aware of is under two fifty we have some minimum rules that we have 245 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,599 to follow as well, which pretty much are not going to come into play, 246 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,640 but we will look at them just so you kind of get an understanding. 247 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,480 So we're gonna go look at two fifty dot twenty fours. We'll start 248 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:52,680 there, okay, and if you look into that and let me move down 249 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,200 here. Actually, let's move Actually, we're gonna look at D which is 250 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:03,599 two fifty twenty four D first, and that says the grounded conductor that's bought 251 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,400 to the service. Okay, so we have to have a grounded conductor brought 252 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,319 to the service, right, and then what you'll see is it says the 253 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,559 grounded conductor shall be installed in accordance with two fifty twenty four D one through 254 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,920 D four. Well, D one is talking about the sizing, right, 255 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,119 Okay, so the ground is so the D one says the ground and conductor 256 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,720 shall not be smaller than specified in table two fifty one zero two C one. 257 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,160 So even if we've got to do a load calculation, we already know 258 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:41,960 that the grounded conductor cannot be smaller than what's in this table based on what 259 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:47,359 the size of the ungrounded conductors. Okay, So in this scenario, if 260 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,279 the from the point of attachment down to the troth. It has to be 261 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:55,200 one calculated on what's the unbalanced load it's going to see, Well, it's 262 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,440 going to see the load from these three hundred and panels. So it assumes 263 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,000 to us that we have to do a load calculation for each one of these 264 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:06,000 panels. We have to know what it's going to be serving. Now I've 265 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:07,319 just throw this out there. If there are a hundred ant panels, then 266 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:12,920 plausible they could serve one hundred amps, not continuously, but one hundred ams. 267 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:18,640 Okay, So most people make their design simple. If it's three to 268 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,480 one hundred an panels, then they will size the conductors that are supply conductors 269 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:27,079 based on the possibility to the plausibility of three hundred amps. Now, at 270 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,119 the end of the day, it's really size based on your calculated load. 271 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,519 Okay, you have to know your loads. So sometimes the loads would be 272 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,200 much less than what the panel can carry. But when we're talking about the 273 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,599 neutral conductor, once we establish the size of those conductors from the point of 274 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,640 attachment to that troth which is going to be handling all of the neutral loads 275 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:55,480 across those three panels, once we find out what the actual calculation is for 276 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:59,759 the service for all of these panels, okay, and that's how you're going 277 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:02,920 to be sizing from the point of attachment down to the to the trough. 278 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,160 Once we do that, then we take those conductors and we've come over here 279 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,279 and we're looking at two fifty one zero two C one And then of course, 280 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,559 depending on whether it's you know, one OT, it would be a 281 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,000 you know, a minimum grounded conductor would be a six if it's one OT 282 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,279 copper. If it's four out aluminum, it's a minimum of four. But 283 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,079 here's the thing that's at least it has to be at least that size. 284 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:32,279 Chances are very highly probable that it's going to be much larger than that. 285 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,400 In fact, if you're using se cable, for example, the grounded conductor 286 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,359 is not required to be is can be up to two sizes smaller than the 287 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:48,880 ungrounded or hot conductors. So typically in an sc cable you have four hot 288 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,759 aluminum, and then what happens is the neutral will be equivalent to two ought 289 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,720 because there's a three ought in between it, and the neutral cannot be more 290 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:03,920 than two sizes smaller than the ungrounded conductors. And that's already done for us. 291 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,279 If you're you know the manufacturer takes care of that. When it comes 292 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:11,160 to sc cable, it's already been done for you. Okay, again, 293 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:15,680 don't confuse SEU and SCR. We're talking like an SCU. That that that 294 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:21,240 stranded helical. It's equivalent to a two lot when you gather everything together, 295 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:26,000 that type of thing, and that's something that's governed by the the UL standard 296 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:27,839 UL eight fifty four. It's already taken care of for you. And if 297 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:32,319 you're running the individual conductors, then you know that it can't be smaller from 298 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:36,680 the point of attachment down to that trough. It could not be smaller than 299 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:44,079 whatever the size of the conductors are that are handling. The total ungrounded conductor's 300 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,279 load means you calculated those conductors have to be based on the loads that are 301 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:51,559 going to be seen from all three panels. So you're going to have to 302 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,680 take a calculation from all three of these panels summation, and then you're going 303 00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,839 to size your ungrounded conductor. Once you size that on grounded conductor, then 304 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,200 you come to two fifty one zero two see one, and it can't be 305 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,319 smaller than the table. However, you still got to know what your neutral 306 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:14,400 loads are because obviously to twenty dot sixty one said that the grounded conductor can 307 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,960 has to handle the maximum unbalanced load. So that means you have to calculate 308 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,799 what your neutral loads are, and we do that in our fast Tracks program, 309 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,079 uh and on our on our Wednesday Night sessions, I go over how 310 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,680 to calculate loads and the neutral and so you still got to do a calculation 311 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:34,599 now the point where you make the connection, and remember these aren't feeder taps, 312 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,839 these are just taps to service conductors. The point that you make that 313 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:45,039 connection and you're now supplying each individual unit, then you're actually sizing the grounded 314 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:51,279 conductor again based on two fifty one zero two c one, based on those 315 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,480 ungrounded conductors that's supplying the equipment. So it can't be any smaller than what 316 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,839 it would be in two fifty one zero two c one. Once you know 317 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,799 what those conductors are, and those conductors were sized is hot conductors. They 318 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:07,200 were sized to handle whatever the load is for that panel, that individual panel. 319 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:11,839 Okay, all right, make it clear. So yes, you would 320 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:19,279 size as the grounded conductor that's going from the tap down to the actual panel 321 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:26,160 based on the calculated load and the neutral would be sized based on the maximum 322 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,640 unbalanced load, but knowing that it can't be smaller than at least what's in 323 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,559 two fifty one zero two C one. So that's a minimum size requirement. 324 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,920 It's probably going to be larger because you have to do a load calculation in 325 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,440 order to achieve this. Now, lastly, you wanted me to explain what 326 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,359 note free was about. All right, And for those that are not familiar, 327 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,079 if you look underneath table two fifty one zero two, see one, 328 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,799 you'll see there's various notes. Now, these are not informational notes. These 329 00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:02,400 are very applicable notes. They are to be always observed. We're applicable, 330 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,079 and they're not like an informational note, which is just good information. These 331 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,039 are mandatory. So number three, let me read you what it says. 332 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:15,279 It says, if there's no service entrance conductors, the supply conductor sizes shall 333 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:21,519 be determined by the equivalent size of the largest service inter conductor required for the 334 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:25,359 load to be served. So you still have to do a load calc Okay, 335 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,359 So these conductors could be coming in and they're not service entrance conductors. 336 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,480 They may be service laterals that are coming in under the building and then popping 337 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,640 up inside of a switch gear room. So by the concept here, since 338 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:45,720 its table is based on what the basic table is based on, the conductors 339 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:52,160 being what largest ungrounded conductors are equivalent in parallel. So basically what you're trying 340 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,599 to do here is say, well, you know what, they're not service 341 00:26:55,759 --> 00:27:00,240 entrance conductors, okay, but they are supply conductors and when they come in 342 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:06,839 to the building in order to be able to determine the sizing that we can 343 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,720 use this table, then we basically just treat them as if they're service intriconductors, 344 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,400 determine what our load calculation is. And by the way, they could 345 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,880 be service laterals coming in. That's outside of the scope of the NEC when 346 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,720 it comes to sizing. So what this means is you have to forget what 347 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:27,079 the utility may do. You get to forget about it. What size would 348 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:33,440 you size them if you were doing this on any C installation, And then 349 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,359 once you establish the size you would need for the loads in question, then 350 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,519 you would go and pick the conductor and that's the conductor you're going to use 351 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:47,559 to go up here and use the table. So this little note is there 352 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,920 to help people when the utility may bring the service lateral in and they might 353 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,480 have something that's like a frickin' one OT and you're like, damn, the 354 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:57,359 NEC says it has to be a four OT. How do they get away 355 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,880 with that? Well, they can't because that's the utility and they based it 356 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,559 on other historical data and uses and all that kind of stuff. So you're 357 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,799 thinking, well, I can't use that with this table. So what the 358 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,839 Note three is telling you to do is, hey, pretend like they're service 359 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,240 conductors there, and you would size them. Ignore what's there. You determine 360 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,759 what size conductors you would need to handle the load calculation. Just like I 361 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,440 just explained a minute ago. You have to figure out what size they would 362 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:32,400 need to be, and then forget about what the utility brought you underground. 363 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,759 Pretend that they're service entrance conductors that you sized and pick the conductor, and 364 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:42,200 then you go to two fifty one zero two C one. That's what the 365 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,319 Note three is trying to depict, because again, you could have applications where 366 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:53,640 they're not service entrance conductors coming in. Okay, so anyway hopefully that you 367 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,960 know makes sense to you. So basically, if they're not service entrance conductor, 368 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,759 the service later ules. Forget what size utility did Okay, forget about 369 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:11,680 it. Try to determine what size service conductors you would have to have based 370 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:17,720 on your load calculation, and then use that size to use the table. 371 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,359 Ignore what the utility brought to you. Okay, that's what Note three is 372 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:26,839 trying to do. Okay, hopefully that makes sense to you. If I 373 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,359 didn't, what do I always say? Just let me know what episode it 374 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,920 is, and all you got to do is go to Paul Abernethy dot com 375 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:38,480 and just kind of give me a summary of what the question was, what 376 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,440 you want clarity on, let me know what code socle you're working on, 377 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,240 and then post your question. I'm not going to go back and listen to 378 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,640 the entire podcast, So give me a good summary of what you're really asking 379 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:55,240 or what you might have heard, and I will make it clear and then 380 00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,799 we can move on from that. Okay, But in your question, none 381 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,359 of the example in two thirty forty exception number two, or none of the 382 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,319 first part of your question that you ask has anything to do with Note three, 383 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,839 by the way, Okay, all right, hopefully that answers your question. 384 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,359 So see if that'll be it for today, or it'll see if I 385 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,720 got the other one that Darlene has me scheduled to take care of. All 386 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,880 right, I got a quick one. Here's the last question that Darlene has 387 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,759 pointed out for me today. It says, Hello, I am the Michigan 388 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:32,279 Electrician looking to take my Journeyman test again. I was wondering what study material 389 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:37,880 you could recommend Michigan still testing on the twenty seventeen NEC. Unfortunately I cannot 390 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,160 afford your material, but I do have a codebook and a few books on 391 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:48,359 electrical theory and material as well as grounding and bonding. Any help would be 392 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,039 greatly appreciated. Thanks. Okay, I cannot help your financial situation. Sometimes 393 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:57,000 you have to invest in yourself, and you know what, that's why we 394 00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,119 came out with some more cost effective type programs. But you are on the 395 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,519 twenty seventeen and we do not have a basic or enhanced version for that. 396 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,519 All we have is the Black or the Plus, which is more expensive. 397 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,400 So what I'm going to recommend you do is to go and get a subscription 398 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:18,960 to fasttrackstube dot com and start watching our videos, start watching our recordings of 399 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,480 our exam prep night. Also as a member of Fasttracks Tube, it's ninety 400 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,000 nine bucks. 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So getting a subscription to our video platform and also gives 410 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,240 you access to the Wednesday Nights every two weeks. We do Wednesday Nights unless 411 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,079 they're canceled for some reason, and it allows you to sit in fly on 412 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,319 the wall. You can ask questions. We're in a friendly environment, no 413 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,240 questions, dumb question you can ask. It's a great gathering of friends, 414 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:30,240 everybody talking code and I answer those questions, and it's included in the ninety 415 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,680 nine dollars annual subscription. It's included, folks, I don't know anywhere else. 416 00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,640 For ninety nine bucks. You can get access to me every two weeks 417 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,240 on Wednesday, ask your questions, and a closed environment so you don't have 418 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,640 to worry about people belittling you or whatever, and it's not going to happen. 419 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,319 It's a learning environment, okay. And when you do that, you 420 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,240 get access to our video platform, and we have a lot of videos on 421 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:59,079 there, and the Just Calculation series is coming out in two weeks. That 422 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,119 is the only platform you're gonna be able to see our video on that. 423 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,720 Plus I've got an eight hour video on calculations over there. I got a 424 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,920 twelve hour video on grinding and bonding, a four part series. I've got 425 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,880 a seven, seven or eight part series on pools, spas and hot tubs 426 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,960 over there that you should watch. I have a video over there on a 427 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,079 webinar that we did for secondary conductors and ten foot twenty five foot rule and 428 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,440 primary secondary protection. Jeez, it's worth it alone for just one of the 429 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:35,680 videos over there. So if my advice to you is to get that subscription. 430 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480 Fork up the ninety nine bucks. It'll be the best ninety nine bucks 431 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,319 you ever invested. You get access to the platform, you get access to 432 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:47,000 Wednesday nights. And that's the best advice I can give you. Okay, 433 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:52,279 and oh oh so, the only other advice I can give you is find 434 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:57,480 yourself a good category of practice questions. And they don't all have to be 435 00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:06,880 sterling, but find you some and basically find them and go over them and 436 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,280 really hone in on it and get used to dissecting a question. Don't be 437 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,920 in such a hurry to answer a question. I've tell this to everybody out 438 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,559 there. Don't get you one hundred question database or whatever at two hundred question 439 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,880 database and try to answer them all so quickly. That is not the goal 440 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,280 of studying for an exam. The goal is to take your time on each 441 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,880 question. Pull out your clock if you want to time yourself, wait until 442 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,760 the last two weeks before you take an exam. But up until that time, 443 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,000 if it takes you ten minutes to answer a question, that is okay, 444 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:44,559 folks, Okay, I tell people this all the time. Do not 445 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,440 listen to educators that give you this bullshit about getting timed quizz and trying to 446 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,239 do them as quickly. That does not help you. All that does is 447 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:58,079 elevate the stress. Take a question, beat the question to death. Use 448 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,719 your index, use your table of contents, look up every word, find 449 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,119 out what could have gotten you the answer. It's going to be your way 450 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,920 of what I call the poor man's way of studying for an exam. Don't 451 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,119 be so quick to just answer questions in a database. You paid good money 452 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:20,199 for it. Use it, milk it. Extract everything you can get from 453 00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,559 the question so that it not only helps you answer the question, but let 454 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,280 you learn what's in the index, let you learn what's in the table of 455 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,360 contents. It helps you in your maneuvering skills back and forth, because I 456 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,199 can tell you right now, if you're not familiar with using the index and 457 00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,119 going back and forth, you can be very slow. But the more you 458 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,079 practice this, this is why our programs are fast tracks programs. We use 459 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:45,320 these chevrons. It's to pull you from the course into the NEC, back 460 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,000 to the course, back to the NEC. If you think that I'm just 461 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,840 doing that, it's being done for a reason. It's to help you move 462 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,880 back and forth. And whether you know it or not. We're subconsciously trying 463 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,639 to get you more comfortable with moving in and out of the codebook. That's 464 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:06,039 the whole purpose of why we do it. Okay, all right, so 465 00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:09,400 good luck. Hopefully you'll you say again. So that means by the time 466 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,880 you probably always tell this to people, by the time you fail some exams 467 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,320 and pay the fees, you probably could have gotten a course and then pass 468 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,400 it the first time and you would have actually learned something in the process, 469 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,760 and that goes a long way. There's a difference between just passing a test 470 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,119 and actually learning something, and that's where structured programs come into play. All 471 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:32,239 right, folks, that's it for this Let's ask Paul for this week. 472 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:36,639 So if again, if you have any questions that you want to submit to 473 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,360 me, all you got to do is go to Paul Abernathy dot com. 474 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,800 Yes it's still there, it's still active, it's still sponsored by Wicks, 475 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,440 and you get to ask me any question you want on the National Leuntric Code. 476 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,039 Just be sure to let me know the code cycle that you're working out 477 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,079 of. Be very descriptive in your question, because I'm only going to answer 478 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,920 what you give me as a question. Until next time folks stay, say 479 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:24,719 God bless both askball boot both, ask both Aska Nohing.