WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.200 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.960 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:11.960 doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over 4 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:17.519 our heads, classic fly. He's also really standing into clearing. He turned 5 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:20.079 over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes 6 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:28.160 and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show. 7 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:32.479 During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room, 8 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:37.759 and don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello, 9 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:42.280 and welcome to the show on Martin willishire host and we have Alejandro Rojas coming 10 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:47.039 up with UFO updates. And just a minute here before that, I did 11 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:52.520 want to say talk about our guest. He is Michael Hall. He has 12 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:59.359 quite a background. He was a former Superior Court Charge pro tem certified mediator 13 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.679 and he's also into UFOs and I'm gonna be talking a lot about that. 14 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:10.239 And he's out on the West coast and near the Seattle area, Washington State 15 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:15.200 anyway, So I wanted to just say something really quickly or because a lot 16 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.400 of times, you know, I get there's a lot of negative feedback on 17 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:21.760 YouTube, and that's just the way it is. I understand that. And 18 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:26.280 a lot of times I don't read any of the messages, so that's why 19 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.040 sometimes I never respond. But sometimes I do read them, and I see 20 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.359 some really good points that someone makes, sometimes really good critiques. So I 21 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:38.040 take it all and I do want to I get this really nice message, 22 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.079 and I've always been, you know, a little bit concerned about my professional 23 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:47.000 life when it comes to UFOs and how they may cross. So I got 24 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.560 this mail. I'm just going to read it to you because I thought it 25 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:56.120 was really nice and I really liked getting it. So I'm a long time 26 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.120 listener to the Antiques Forum. That's my that's my show. I'd do a 27 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:06.599 podcast on antiques called the Antiques Auction Forum. And he writes here that he 28 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:13.240 found my UFO show, and boy was I surprised and skeptical, But I 29 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:15.759 thought I'd listened to a couple of episodes, as I hold you in high 30 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:21.000 regard and believe you to be a straight up guy. Anyway, the second 31 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.599 episode I listened to was about the Nimits case, and boy, I soon 32 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:29.479 learned why you have an interest in this area. My views have changed quite 33 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:34.520 a bit with such credible witnesses. So since then I've listened to a few 34 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.520 and I've done my own googling on the Nimitz case. In particular, I 35 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:42.919 really like the way you bring your logical antiques brain to the program and seek 36 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.960 to find the truth and call out the fakes. That as healthy as I 37 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:51.680 like, many people tend to lump everything together. Incidentally, I'm into voting, 38 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.199 so we share a couple of interest and now you can add UFOs to 39 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:58.400 that. Anyway, he says a lot of really kind things. I just 40 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.680 thought i'd add that to the show because I thought it was a very nice 41 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:07.360 thing for someone to write. And also it's probably the first vindication that I 42 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:14.080 really had that people are okay with me doing UFOs and antiques at the same 43 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:19.680 time. Alejandro, So nice letter, isn't it. That was a nice, 44 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.439 nice note to get. It's a great letter. And it's funny because 45 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:27.039 you say it was vindication that people are into okay with you. That's what's 46 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.960 funny. He wasn't. At first. He was thinking, Oh great, 47 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.639 Martin, I like this guy, and he turned out he's a UFO weirdo. 48 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.680 But Luckily he liked you enough to listen to the show and saw there 49 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.199 was credible stuff. So that's really cool. It's a great story. Oh 50 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.639 by the way, he said, I could say his name. He's Tony 51 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:47.639 and he's from Sydney, Australia. Ah, so thank you. Yeah, 52 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:51.879 yes, yeah, I had a lot of listeners. By the way, 53 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.360 I'm sure you do too. In Australia country of what twenty six million people, 54 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.719 it's like second a lot of people down there, yeah, like second 55 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.039 or as far as listeners to the show, which is great. I would 56 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.360 love to go out there too and visit sometime. Ben Hanson, our good 57 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:10.439 buddy, goes out there and does talks out there. Yeah, on a 58 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.560 once a year. It's a longer. That'd be fun. Takes forever to 59 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.319 get there, but I really want to go there in the winter that winter 60 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:20.839 here, summer there. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah. So what's 61 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:25.480 going on in the UFO world? Quite a bit again, a lot as 62 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.920 usual. Of course. The biggest story is this thing about storming Area fifty 63 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.680 one. So I wrote a story this weekend. And this isn't just to 64 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.000 plug my story, of course, it is largely about that, but also 65 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:40.480 to talk about the details in the story. What I wrote was the people 66 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.959 who have gone past the warning signs at Area fifty one, and I put 67 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.959 this on my blog at all one hundred two rohas dot com, but I 68 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.519 actually wrote it for the Rosswell Daily Records to some form of it'll go up 69 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:54.519 there. But my point is, as I was writing the story this weekend, 70 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.959 the clicker was at about six hundred ninety thousand. By the time I 71 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.639 finished my story, it was out up to about seven hundred and ten. 72 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:10.199 Now it is at if I saw right, one point four million, so 73 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.600 it's doubled since just a couple days ago when I wrote my story. So 74 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.079 this thing is really going up and up. And I actually contacted the Lincoln 75 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.319 County Sheriff's Department And here's why. If you read my story, my story 76 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.199 is about three different people who went across the line and what happened to them. 77 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:31.120 And essentially what happens is the guards hold you until the police come because 78 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.800 it's their jurisdiction. But you could be waiting there with your face in the 79 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:41.519 dirt for a long time before and you'll be manhandled and shoved in the dirt, 80 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.000 you know, until you the police get there. The police had no 81 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:47.920 comment. They said, we're aware of this, but we have no comment. 82 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:53.319 However, the Air Force has told Washington Post, you know we're ready 83 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.120 for it. You don't do it, and we're going to be ready if 84 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.480 you try it. So, yeah, it's amazing that this is getting news 85 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.040 all over the place. The question is are people gonna show up? Sure, 86 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.959 it started as a hoax apparently. In fact, if I look at 87 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.399 the description for the event, all it says is we will all meet up 88 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:17.720 at the area fifty one Alien Center tourists to attraction and coordinate our entry. 89 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:23.480 If we Naruto run, we can move faster than their bullets. Let's see 90 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.759 them alive and then Ruto's cartoon. If for those of you don't know, 91 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.319 these kids training to be Ninja's so they run very fast and they dodge bullets. 92 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:36.199 So even though this seemed to be a joke to begin with, you 93 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:40.000 know, with one point four million, you think, I think people are 94 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.879 going to show up. But what's scary is people like George Napp or Nick 95 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.000 Pope. I've retweeted their tweets saying, hey, this is a really dumb 96 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.160 idea. George Napps is funny, Hey, if you do it, it's 97 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.720 gonna make for a good story, then all right, you know, because 98 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.560 he's there in Las Vegas. But don't do it because it's dumb. And 99 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.079 I was surprised at the number of negative response as they got where people are 100 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.600 like, oh, you're just being negative. You just don't want us to 101 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:08.959 find the truth, just information. Yeah, exactly. So there's a host 102 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:13.920 of people out there who I think are taking this seriously. So I hope 103 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.360 that the authority is already and we'll see what happens. I think it is 104 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:25.240 a bad idea, and I think I might I'm really highly considering going just 105 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:29.879 to cover what may or may not happen. When I was on your show, 106 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.079 Yes, we talked on your show about this as well, and we 107 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:38.879 were talking about the possibility of Facebook shutting that down, which I hope they 108 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.399 do. But I was just thinking about this today. If Facebook did shut 109 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.120 it down today, I bet something would still happen, you know, I 110 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.920 mean, because there's so many people involved, it would still be a new 111 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:55.519 story. And of course we were talking about shutting it down because essentially it's 112 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.839 illegal. You can't store Mary if you're two one, it's illegal, and 113 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:05.040 so this post is advocating and it's essentially a real conspiracy to commit a crime 114 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:11.519 with one point four million people at area fifty one. So that's why we're 115 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.199 speculating maybe they'll shut it down. They haven't yet, and I don't know 116 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:16.600 that they will. Of course, they have a lot of time to do 117 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:24.240 it. This event isn't planned until September twentieth, so it'll be really interesting. 118 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.879 I wonder how many of your listeners have clicked the going button. I 119 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.480 clicked the interested button. I'm interested to see what happened. There's about one 120 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.519 point one interested people million interested people at one point four millions say they're going. 121 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:41.879 So yeah, that's a big news story that's all over the place. 122 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:46.320 But I'm really proud of my story because I've written this about these other people 123 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.720 who've gone across and some of it's pretty fun. And a couple of these 124 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:54.720 stories that I posted have videos, so you can actually see what happens if 125 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.120 you check that out. But yeah, that's a big story out there, 126 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.879 so it happens when you click on it that you're interested. Are you getting 127 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.080 any like notices or something like that through face? You know what? I 128 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.720 haven't noticed that I've been getting any notices at all. To be honest, 129 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.399 I thought maybe I would, but I'm not sure what kind of notice is 130 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.080 I would get. But I haven't been getting anything that I've noticed at all. 131 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:24.200 Of course, I'm overwhelmed with notifications on and comments on so much other 132 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.600 things going on on Facebook that I could have missed it. But yeah, 133 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.480 so far, I haven't seen anything. Yeah. Yeah, Well, while 134 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.559 this will be really interesting how it plays out, and I just hope no 135 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.519 one gets hurt, you know, and no one really wants to spend time 136 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.080 in the dirt. Yeah, exactly, No one wants to spend time in 137 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.720 the dirt. And it was funny because I told these stories. Of course, 138 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.000 when I was going with the Kardashian Sarah fifty one, I got to 139 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.080 take them, I told these stories to them on the way up to make 140 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.840 it sure they understood do not cross those lines. Yeah, and if you 141 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.440 watch this show, they were really freaking out there telling their dad at the 142 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.960 time, Bruce now Caitlin Doe Cross, Doe Cross, and he kind of 143 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.080 tried to scare them. But yeah, I would not want to to experience 144 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.399 that. But you were telling me about a listener we were talking before we 145 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:20.399 came on who was mentioning a popular mechanics story. And besides, since Area 146 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:26.080 fifty one story, we've had a lot of very positive media talk about UFOs, 147 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.720 and this popular mechanic one is a good one. It's the same, 148 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:33.039 and I like it because I'm a fan of popular mechanics. But they've always 149 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.679 been very negative. In fact, when I was back with Muffon, they 150 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.200 wrote this really bad one. It was during the Stephen Bill fill years. 151 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.519 It was terrible. But this article is pretty good. It's it's I don't 152 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.399 know. It says five scientific reasons for believing in aliens, and I'm gonna 153 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.720 go over the five reasons real quick here SETI institute. I don't think this 154 00:10:54.799 --> 00:11:00.720 is a scientific reason for believing in aliens. It just means that these disbelieve 155 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.279 in aliens. Yeah, and they're searching for aliens. So maybe I guess 156 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.759 because these scientists do that, you should too. Number two is UFOs peak 157 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.840 the Pentagon's interest. That doesn't mean you should believe in aliens or nor does 158 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.399 it give nor have they said they have scientific evidence of aliens. But it's 159 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.200 still a great story, so I'm glad that they include it. Three the 160 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.159 Navy jet UFO encounters, those, of course are interesting. We've had witnesses 161 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:31.399 on scientifically, you know, so they're interesting for is Amamua, which I 162 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:33.480 don't think is alien at all. It's probably, you know, just kind 163 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:39.679 of some natural thing here, but that scientists we're talking about aliens around it 164 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.039 is interesting. And then five a plethora of exoplanets, and I think this 165 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.039 is the best scientific case just to show that they are way, way, 166 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.919 way more planets out there than even the scientists expected. And of course, 167 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:58.240 if our lonely little planet here that we know so well has life on it, 168 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.679 then what are the chances the numerous, the millions and millions of other 169 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:07.039 planets out there may have intelligent life as well. The odds are probably pretty 170 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.399 good. So it is a great popular mechanics piece there. But otherwise, 171 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.120 lots of other UFO news going on. If you want to know more about 172 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.159 that the headlines out there, of course, go to the front page of 173 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.200 open mindstat TV and you'll see them there in the headlines. Well, hey, 174 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.879 I just looked in chat. We have Kevin Day and Chat and Chris 175 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.480 Lambright. Wow, it's an all star chat this evening. Awesome. How 176 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.960 about that? Huh? Kevin's awesome. I can't wait to meet him at 177 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.639 the UFO Congress. Be speaking at the congress. That's right, that's right. 178 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.720 Hey, Alandro, thank you so much and thank you, and we'll 179 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.120 talk to you next week. Have a good one, all right, talk 180 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.279 next week. And don't storm Area fifty one. Yeah, don't plan on 181 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.159 it, but I'll take pictures of the people who do. Yeah, all 182 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.759 right, take care. Maybe some video, yeah, all right. So 183 00:12:54.840 --> 00:13:01.039 our guests this evening is Michael Hall, and he is a former Superior Court 184 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:07.240 judge, ProTem certified mediator, founding and a founding partner of the Whole Law 185 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.120 firm. Um. Anyway, I'm going to skip all the way down to 186 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.600 this part where he has a lifelong interest in UFOs and we'll be talking about 187 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:24.279 that and so much more. He's also part of the UFO I team. 188 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.159 He just got back from some four day excursion. We're going to talk about 189 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:37.399 that. And so Michael, how are you welcome to the show. Hey, 190 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.159 Martin then doing really well? Good? Good? Yeah, I need 191 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.279 your camera, yeah I can see yeah, there are you? All right? 192 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.440 Great? Thanks a lot, Welcome to the show. I'm really excited 193 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.879 to be here. Thank you for having me on. Yes, you're very 194 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.360 welcome, and we're gonna be talking about all kinds of things. For the 195 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.320 person who is unaware of who you are, can you go ahead and give 196 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.799 them the thumbnail description of what you do, how you're how you got into 197 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:11.600 this stuff. This crazy subject of UFOs not so crazy anymore though, Yeah, 198 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.480 isn't that something exactly well, you know, like most of us out 199 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.039 there, I've been interested in UFOs my entire life, ever since I was 200 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:26.039 a little kid. I think my professional career basically started back in nineteen seventy 201 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:31.440 four or so when I was a field investigator for the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization 202 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.840 CORAL and Jim lawrence AND's group back in those days. Also, over the 203 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:43.159 years after I became attorney, I became representing a lot of upologists basically some 204 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:48.639 of their setting up their you know, programs for their corporate entities, and 205 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:50.679 every once in a while there's some legal issues that come along. For instance, 206 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:56.120 when Peter Davenport purchased his underground missile site in Eastern Yes, yeah, 207 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.639 I was the guy who with that deal together for him. I've been Peter's 208 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:05.759 attorney for the last twenty five years. And the National UFO Reporting Center. 209 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:11.240 Also doctor Richard Haynes, the pilot reporting agency in our cap and then their 210 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:16.799 attorney since ninety nine. I'll go back all the way to doctor James Harder 211 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:22.039 representing him back in the old days, and I've heard I've heard the name. 212 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.240 I'm not, I don't know much about him, but I have definitely 213 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.480 heard the name. Well, he was, he was the lead scientist for 214 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.120 APRIL back in the seventies. He was the first guy to get a hold 215 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:41.480 of Travis Walton actually and do an actual investigation and hypnosis regression with Travis initially 216 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:45.600 after his nineteen seventy five siding. So, um, yeah, it goes 217 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.559 back a long way. Of course, I represent Grant Cameron with all these 218 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.919 new breaking things that have been going on, you know, on the Wilson 219 00:15:54.279 --> 00:16:00.840 memo and the Santilli you know, even autops see films and all that stuff. 220 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:04.120 So, uh, I've been involved a long time, and uh, 221 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:08.919 you know, basically I'm way beyond the point of do aliens or UFOs exist. 222 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.799 We're trying to get down to the bottom line of what what's behind the 223 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:19.600 the issues and what's behind the big push for disclosure right now as we know 224 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:25.080 in the mainstream stream media. You know, I've had a lot of people 225 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:29.200 argue that point, and they're they're saying, there's been a soft disclosure for 226 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.399 a long time, and so what are your what are you sure your your 227 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.320 comeback from that that statement, well, you know, uh, you know, 228 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.279 Grant Cameron would say that, you know, ever since he got into 229 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.000 this thing about forty years ago, that there are these programs of soft disclosure. 230 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.519 They push something out, they pull it back, and then they push 231 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.399 it out again. In matter of fact, a lot of the main players 232 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.919 kind of moreh from one organization to the other. You know, there was 233 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:59.960 the Avery back in the old days, uh than you know, Curse the 234 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.160 the Mids organization came along with Robert Bigelow and now the Tooth the Stars Academy. 235 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:10.079 It seems to be some of the same people involved throughout this whole disclosure 236 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.119 process. But I'll tell you what, Ever, since that New York Times 237 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:19.359 article December sixteenth, two thousand and seventeen came out, for some reason, 238 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:25.519 there was a massive agenda right now to red pill the public on the issue 239 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:29.920 of UFOs, And eventually it's going to have to be the issue of aliens 240 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.880 as well. So that's the fascinating thing that I have in my long career 241 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:40.759 of over forty years studying this stuff pretty heavily, I've never seen this push 242 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:45.599 at this point on mainstream media, on you know, the History Channel, 243 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.039 all sorts of television series and movies coming out to actually get people up to 244 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.759 speed on these strange paranormal issues that we're all going to have to deal with 245 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:02.200 if there's a huge paradigm shift happening coming towards this. You know, one 246 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.839 of the things that you know, you mentioned aliens a couple of times there. 247 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.319 And the one thing that I've seen, you know, say, for 248 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:12.039 instance, lou Alixando make perfectly clear, is that he doesn't want to use 249 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:18.599 the word aliens is just an unknown And are you actually thinking that. I 250 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.440 mean, I like to hear other people's opinions, but you have your thought, 251 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:27.400 is that you think that it is actually aliens that we're seeing, uh, 252 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:32.119 you know, driving these crafts or there's all kinds of theories you do. 253 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.079 Oh yeah, no, maybe you know, if if we've got our 254 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:41.160 top gun pilots out there, Louis Alizando, Chris Mellan, everybody in a 255 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.200 tip basically saying, well, we really don't know what these are, but 256 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.880 we can't do what they do. Um, you know, there's no chance 257 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:55.279 out there that the Soviets and the Chinese or some advanced civilization on our own 258 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:00.640 planet is creating these these craft that can do these things. So you know, 259 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:07.240 basically, I'm going towards the Verne von Braun you know prediction of the 260 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.960 enemies out there that we'll be you know, gracing our our borders here. 261 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.119 Of course, first it was the Russians, you know, that was something 262 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.559 that we needed to have during the Cold War and before. And then of 263 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:23.599 course it was the terrorists were the next issue that Verne von Braun brought up. 264 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:29.079 Then of course there was rogue nations just you know, various nations out 265 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.400 there, like you know, North Korea or whatever. Uh. And the 266 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.759 last one, uh, the most notably was the asteroids. That was kind 267 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.680 of fun. I remember when they were pushing those a few years back. 268 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:44.119 Then. Of course, the last false flag or you know, enemy that 269 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.200 we're gonna have to fight is the Aliens. So even though they're not talking 270 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.160 about that, you know, an a tip and on unidentified on the History 271 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:56.759 Channel, yet they sure did give you the impression that there's some threat out 272 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.160 there, and I think that's one they're going to be heading towards. Next 273 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:08.160 is the alien agenda, which we need to be very discerning about. Yeah, 274 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.640 you know, there's a there's a lot of skepticism when it comes to 275 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.640 what it is in theories. And you know, I had a professor on 276 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.440 here, I don't know, maybe three weeks ago that had a theory that 277 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:23.519 it's actually us from the distant future, you know, coming back. He 278 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.279 had quite a background too where he and he made quite a good case. 279 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:32.640 I'm not saying that I believed him any more than anything else, but he 280 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:37.400 actually made a really great case for time travel as what we're seeing, you 281 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.359 know. And I think the reason, you know, I'm sure you know 282 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:42.839 the reason, the number one reason this comes up and different theories come up, 283 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:48.799 is because of the vast differences I mean distances. I mean that you 284 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.039 know, an alien would have to travel to get here, and of course 285 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.920 that it may be figured they may figure out something in physics that we haven't 286 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.119 thought of yet to get here. You know, that's a that's very possible, 287 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:06.640 but it's all fascinating. But you know, the way this the one 288 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.359 thing I always wonder about if it is Aliens and they are traveling here, 289 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.599 if they want to go back to where they're from, how can they escape 290 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.759 this time difference? In other words, you know, when they come back 291 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.599 there, everyone they knew is gone, and you know, I mean maybe 292 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.759 they figured a way around that too. I mean, have you ever thought 293 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.920 about that type of thing? Well, yes I have. As a matter 294 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.480 of fact, you know, this is real timely given the fact that there's 295 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:41.519 some interesting details listed in the fifteen page Admiral Wilson Core Secrets document it has 296 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.920 just been reefed. There's a spot in that document where they are claiming basically 297 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:52.880 at least Commander or Admiral Wilson is telling to tell Eric Davis Doctor Eric Davis's 298 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:57.960 interviewing him in this memo. He's telling him that he was told they have 299 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:04.519 an actual working craft, a extraterrestrial craft that can travel through interstellar space, 300 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:11.680 through our atmosphere of course, underwater, he mentions in this memo, and 301 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:18.000 through dimensions. This is a working craft that basically is being talked about by 302 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:25.039 high government level j two Joint chiefs of staff in charge of all the intelligence 303 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:30.319 companies or divisions of all the military are talking about. He is running across 304 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:38.160 this information that these kinds of things transient dimensions, let alone time. There's 305 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:45.440 also a letter in this fifteen page memo by Commander will Miller, who is 306 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.119 it's being sent to doctor Davis, who claims that there is a scientist that 307 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:56.720 is working on time travel and he's got what they call the force theory of 308 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.880 the universe. And so I think, I probable is very well. It 309 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:07.559 said something that they've talked about and probably someone has conquered already. I don't 310 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:12.559 know about us coming back from the future, you know, and being UFOs 311 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:17.119 and trying to warn us something or whatever like that. It's very interesting. 312 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:21.079 You would think that if you're messing around with the past, if you go 313 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:23.319 back into the time and want to mess around with the past or tweak the 314 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:30.400 past, obviously there's multiple butterfly effects that could happen for your own future when 315 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.839 you go back as well. So you know, I actually I brought that 316 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.599 up during we have to go to break here in just a couple of minutes. 317 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.279 But I brought that up to this gentleman, this professor, and he 318 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.480 had an answer for that too. I think he basically said that no, 319 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:51.519 once something has happened, it's it's happened in where you are, in the 320 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:56.079 world you're in or whatever, and you can't change that, which I don't 321 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.799 know if one thing I didn't think to ask him. If that was the 322 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:06.240 case, then why would they bother coming back and saying, um, be 323 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.279 good to your world, you know, don't pollute and whatever it is they're 324 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:12.079 saying, don't destroy the planet if nothing changes in their world, you know 325 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:18.000 what I mean? Good boy? Yeah, all all these paradoxes, you 326 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:25.599 know, it's exactly. It's really fascinating. And um so isn't what you 327 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:32.720 mentioned about these uh the government officials and this craft that they're you know, 328 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:37.920 I think it's the Navy pattern. Um um, but these are all theories 329 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.759 at this point, isn't that right? Well, if you read the fifteen 330 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:47.359 pages of that Wilson memo, which I encourage everyone did you you know, 331 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.759 you can go to h you can go to Twitter and download it. You 332 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:56.680 can load it anywhere if you just google the term um Admiral Wilson UFO memo 333 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:02.119 or Core Secrets memo. Everyone should read. It is very detailed and the 334 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:08.119 documents or the the things that they're talking about in that uh specific part about 335 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:12.720 a working craft is not a theory. He's talk talking about that they have 336 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:18.880 a theory that these things could work. Um, Admiral Wilson is telling doctor 337 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.839 Eric Davis that is understanding is that they have a working craft that can do 338 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:27.440 these things. So there's a whole lot of interesting things in that memo that 339 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.519 most people don't really have the opportunity to get into the details of it because 340 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:38.079 it is fifteen pages long. It's mostly single space, and it names dates 341 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:45.359 and times and programs that are being run unaccountably run by the way no government 342 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:52.119 or military oversight, by civilian subcontractors that work for the government. So I 343 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.799 would encourage everyone to get into details of that, Okay, And I want 344 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.599 to when we come back from this break. I do want to point out 345 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.400 a couple of arguments for that also. But let's go into break right now. 346 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:10.640 This is Martin Willis and my guest tonight is Michael Hall, and we'll 347 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:15.799 be right back right after these messages. Clear three minutes, gentlemen, three 348 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.079 minutes. Okay, thank you. So we're still live, We're still live 349 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:23.839 on YouTube, and so I just h're just going to start the timer right 350 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:30.119 here. So I know we'll probably get back into this, you know, 351 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:36.200 when you and I are going back on the regular show. But I did 352 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:41.720 want to ask you about the amount of sightings out in Washington now, I 353 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.759 know, of course, you know nineteen forty seven, the very famous starting 354 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.519 out out there as a Mountain Rainier, I believe. Yeah, And actually 355 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:56.000 we had even one before then. That was the modern DAYU folk thing. 356 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.519 Two weeks before Mount Rainier, there was Marie Island. Yeah, but that 357 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.640 too, That's that's been pretty much proven a hoax, I believe. Nope, 358 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:08.240 it wasn't. It was actually proven that the guy said it was a 359 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.920 hoax to get everybody off his back. But there was so many people involved 360 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:17.279 with that thing that the issue with matter of fact, I know, the 361 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.599 two guys that put together the More i'man Incident film, one of them as 362 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:27.240 an attorney friend of mine, Steve Edmondson and Scott Schaeffer, really good researches 363 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.400 and stuff. They come up with the whole scenario how that thing happened, 364 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.640 and this guy's life was just ripped to shreds by the first men in Black 365 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.480 by the way that showed up, you know, and threatened him and his 366 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.240 family, and his son actually disappeared for two weeks, kidnapped his son's fourteen 367 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:48.319 year old kid. So you can imagine why he was pretty much done with 368 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.200 the thing after the initial sighting. He said whatever they want him to say, 369 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.279 well I will. I'm gonna have you school me a little bit more 370 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.599 on that will communicate through email. But I'd like to know more of why 371 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:07.000 you think that's um, you know that that really happened with Uh, It's 372 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.279 so confusing, isn't it to know? Sometimes when I think a case is 373 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.759 really solid, then I find out oops, you know, and uh, 374 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:21.440 there's so it's it's really hard. So that's the whole thing with the still 375 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.799 alien autopsy film coming back and uh, you know, come and do the 376 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.039 frow right now. This is just nuts. You know. Some of those 377 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:33.000 things have been recycled and recycled, and we get more and more, maybe 378 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.759 less and less information, you every know, every time they come out. 379 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.519 Isn't this just we only have a few seconds here left. But isn't this 380 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.559 just a way for Santilli to make a little more money? I mean, 381 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.000 this is what I would think right up the bat, well, I would 382 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.599 think so. But I have another theory on that about you know, there 383 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:57.079 were people that saw a very similar alien autopsy film earlier than nineteen ninety five. 384 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:03.480 What he created is I think the Santilli film was maybe a disinformation kind 385 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.400 of like a Bob Mnegger problem where they would show something being a hoax, 386 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:14.400 just a kind of you know, money the waters on people who actually saw 387 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.240 some real footage earlier than nineteen ninety five. So that's a fascinating story that 388 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.640 we're involved with. Great camera to myself, right, twenty seconds, gentleman. 389 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.160 Okay, twenty seconds. That's good, thank you. Yeah. So 390 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.119 we'll go back and we'll jump right back to where we were on this Wilson 391 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:36.680 UFO document. Here when when Bill brings us back on? All right, 392 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.640 ready here Bill, whenever you are all right, I'll count your back in 393 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:48.599 a second, all right, stand by in three two one go all right, 394 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.319 welcome back. My guest is Michael Hall. And right before the break, 395 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.000 we were talking about the Wilson UFO memo, the leaked they call it 396 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.200 the leaked memo and all that, and and I said I was gonna argue, 397 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.119 I don't mean really argue, but you know, discuss some of the 398 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.759 things that I've heard about this in particular, one of them is, uh, 399 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.000 I know that Wilson himself was called and he denied it, you know. 400 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.240 And I know, of course, you know that that's a possibility of 401 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.279 someone denying something, even if it's real or not. So I don't know 402 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:23.279 how much cred insect gives. But also there's some question on the letter head. 403 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.000 What can you say about the letter head was not correct? What do 404 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:32.200 you think? What's your thoughts about that? Yeah, well, the letter 405 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:38.720 head that you're referring to is the Commander Willard Miller wrote a letter to doctor 406 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:45.279 Eric Davis and kind of inquired as to whether they would want to have some 407 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:52.720 contacts that you were looking for in about alien retrieved alien and back engineered alien 408 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:57.839 hardware. And so in that letter he uses a kind of like a letter 409 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.559 head that looks to be like some kind of an eagle with the you know, 410 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:07.640 a banner around it or something. The basic explanation of why people don't 411 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:15.720 recognize that is because supposedly Commander Miller was retired at the time and was just 412 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.640 basically using a personal letterhead that he put together, you know, to send 413 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:26.599 out letters other people in including doctor Stephen Greer, by the way, who 414 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:32.640 was at this initial briefing of Admiral Wilson in nineteen ninety seven along with Edgar 415 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:40.160 Mitchell and Willard Miller. Stephen Grouser's that that's a letterhead he recognizes himself from 416 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:45.200 the retired Willard Miller. So, um, that's kind of been Um, 417 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.160 you know, put the bed in that regard. It's not an actual government 418 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:56.920 agency that's on that letter head. And what about Davis's his reaction to the 419 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:04.759 to the sole document. Well, you know, it's very very interesting because 420 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.480 when you're talking about the definition of a core secret, and you put that 421 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:15.279 in quotes, when you're talking about something that is a military program or any 422 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:21.200 kind of thing that the military is working on. When they designated the course 423 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:28.400 secret, even the denial or the no comment regarding that subject can be as 424 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.680 security breach. So basically the idea that if it's a course secret, you 425 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:39.440 can't even really acknowledge it. So what happened with Eric Davis and how put 426 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:45.400 off by the way both of them responded to inquiries about whether this UH memo 427 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:52.279 and h and the Willard Miller letter were true and correct. They both went 428 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:59.480 on at length basically that said no comment, but it didn't say just no 429 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.839 comment. They went it, you know, because of our security clearances that 430 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.359 we some of us still have, and they're talking about how put off and 431 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.279 doctor Eric Davis and some of the other people that are involved in the Needs 432 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:19.599 Organization currently because of their current you know, classifications and clearances that they have, 433 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.200 they can't even comment on this thing. So they couldn't come out and 434 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:29.759 say vociferously they're denying that this is a fake. But they had to explain 435 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.359 that in quite a few words that they were just basically giving no comment. 436 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.799 So you're saying that they actually denied that the thing is a fake in a 437 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.400 roundabout ways, of which, well, some people are claiming that the fact 438 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.720 that they didn't come out vociferously denying that this was a hoax, you know, 439 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.920 give some kind of a credence to these things being potentially true and correct. 440 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:57.759 But in reality, if you're actually looking at a classified, unacknowledged special 441 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:02.640 access program, that's of course you can't even deny or you know, get 442 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:08.440 into the details of something being false and not representing a real program. So 443 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.440 but they're craftily denying it in more than a few words which kind of throw 444 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.039 as a red flag up for some folks. I see now I heard that 445 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:27.639 an Australian UFO researcher had this document for say ten years or something like that. 446 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.000 Prior, I wouldn't say it was that long. No, Um, 447 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.480 a matter of fact, edgar Mitchell passed away. What is a ninety four 448 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.239 I believe edgar Mitchell. No, that was just a couple of years years 449 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.400 ago, Just a couple of years ago. So it was basically the theory 450 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:53.360 that these documents came from doctor edgar Mitchell's estate. Basically understand that his heirs, 451 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.599 his family didn't really care about some of these issues that he had, 452 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.880 you know, put the gather in banker boxes worth of material. So one 453 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:08.119 of the individuals that knew edgar Mitchell Mitchell, got to hold of these boxes 454 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:15.239 and documents. And then the gentleman that you're talking about from Australia by the 455 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:22.320 name of James Rigney actually got a hold of one of these boxes of documents 456 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.559 that was able to go through it, found the fifteen page memo and knew 457 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.880 that this was quite important. So basically in November of twenty eighteen, just 458 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.840 last year, he actually gave it to Grant Cameron, and Grant Cameron when 459 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.039 he found it, and when he saw it basically told me that he went 460 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.280 his face went ashen. He couldn't believe that even on the first page of 461 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.719 this document, noting the names and the details that are mentioned on there, 462 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.039 Grant said that this was the most important document he has ever seen in uphology. 463 00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:01.039 And of course Richard Dolan has called it the smoking gun Ufo Memo of 464 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:07.960 this century, so that's how important this document was. So since two and 465 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:12.880 eighteen, and then Grant got a hold of me in twenty nineteen because he 466 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.559 needed to figure out how what were we going to do with his document? 467 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:21.559 What does he have as far as liability to release this kind of a document 468 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:28.280 to the public. And eventually what we did in two thousand January or so, 469 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:34.679 we actually formed a disclosure trust that I've created for whistleblowers, specifically to 470 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:40.920 put documents and artifacts and various things into a state planning entity that they can 471 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:45.840 control the access and the dissemination of just in case something happened to Grant in 472 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:52.719 the interim. Then, of course, what happened in June seventh on Twitter 473 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.000 was the thing got actually released, not by Grant Cameron or myself. But 474 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:04.159 actually an anonymous worse released the document. Now everybody knows about it and has 475 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.760 gone through it with a fine tooth comb. All right, when you say 476 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.639 it was released anonymously, is that is that? Was it by a tweet? 477 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.039 Is this how this thing was released and then linked it as? I 478 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.960 mean? Can't someone search this out and figure out who it is that released 479 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.159 it? Yeah, good point, because you would think that, you know, 480 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:30.119 the really hotshot computer ackers out there could place this down and figure out 481 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:31.920 where it came from. So far, no one's been able to do that. 482 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.960 Basically, it came from a site called anger I am gu r. 483 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.599 It was posted there initially, and Astley was posted on Reddit prior to that. 484 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.719 Once back, I understand it was on Reddit and it was ignored. 485 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:55.440 I understood. Yeah, But in June June seven, June sixth, actually 486 00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:00.719 it was actually posted again on Twitter, which you know, basically hit at 487 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:05.800 the mainstream big time. Okay, Well, there's there's a lot of people 488 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.719 that are saying that this is just a fake document, there's nothing to it. 489 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:13.519 There's people saying that even if it's real, it's not that big of 490 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.960 a deal. What's your thoughts about those comments, Well, you know that 491 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.760 my comment would be that if this was a major disinformation program, uh, 492 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:29.000 you know, basically, if if the government, for instance, was looking 493 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.599 the muddy the waters with some kind of a document that would eventually be proven 494 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.960 to be false, if I was in charge of that kind of a disinformation 495 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:43.000 program, I sure would not come up with a fifteen page transcript or memo 496 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.679 whatever you want to call it, with all the names of people who are 497 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.880 living by the way, some of them passed away, but a lot of 498 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.400 them are still living and programs that could be cross checked and make sure that 499 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:01.159 they were still alive, available and working and dates and times. I would 500 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.960 not do that in such detail. If I was going to make a disinformation 501 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.239 campaign, it might be you know, a couple three pages long, and 502 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:13.599 I'd pick maybe two or three names that I could definitely control, you know, 503 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.199 whether they would come out and say it's a hoax or whatever. But 504 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.159 I'll tell you what, there are so many Pentagon and you know, government 505 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:28.559 officials that are named in this document that can be searched out and determined if 506 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.400 they're actually in the positions that they're talked about being in during this memo. 507 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:39.559 There's also many other organizations like the people at NIDS, like doctor Stephen Greer 508 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:45.679 and Edgar Mitchell. There are remote viewers that are named. There's even another 509 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:52.159 attorney that's named in this document, this fifteen page memo, that has represented 510 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.320 one of the remote viewers in the past. And boy, I'll tell you 511 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:59.119 what, I have gotten many phone calls and emails into that gentleman. I'd 512 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.800 like to be able to talk with him personally myself, just to see what 513 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:08.239 he would know about the details that are in this memo itself. Even doctor 514 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:13.559 I mean Willard Miller, Commander Willard Miller, who has now come out and 515 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.239 said that, you know, this document is at least his letter. Part 516 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:21.840 of the document looks to be a cut and paste, you know, of 517 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:27.239 something that he might have written or not written. I basically have confirmed through 518 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.400 some of the other researchers out there that he actually remembers that he wrote some 519 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:37.639 of that, and specifically he's talking about the initial paragraph of his letter where 520 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:43.679 he's inviting how put off in doctor Davis to a scientific meeting in Tallahassee, 521 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.480 Florida to meet another scientist working on this time travel, you know, in 522 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:53.280 dimensional issues and stuff. So he remembers writing that he remembers, and actually 523 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:59.320 the date and the time and the address on the letter is his home address. 524 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.599 That's been firm as well. But some of the other things in the 525 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.360 memo where they're saying that, you know, if you want to get a 526 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.360 hold of some of these people that are involved in the reverse engineering programs that 527 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.760 the government has, Willard Miller saying that you can hook up you know, 528 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.599 Davis and put off to those folks as well as a bunch of other programs 529 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.760 out there that you know, there was sightings on East coast in the United 530 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:29.159 States that he was talking about. He could hook up with some flag rank 531 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.320 officers and they would know all about that. So it seems to me that 532 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:38.719 there are some very If I ever had an opportunity to cross examine a witness 533 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:45.360 that was supposedly written a letter like Commander Willard Miller did, I would ask 534 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.119 him what parts of this letter do you remember? You know, and then 535 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.280 find out, well, what parts are There's something you don't remember and why 536 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:58.400 don't you remember those things? So very fascinating detail in this document, And 537 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:06.639 when was the date of that document? This document was created in October. 538 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:13.039 On October sixteenth of two thousand and two, when doctor Eric Davis was able 539 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:21.119 to get a meeting with Vice Admiral Thomas Ray Wilson, and they met in 540 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.440 the Admiral's staff car, the backseat of the staff car behind the E. 541 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:29.679 G and G Building in Las Vegas, Nevada on that day, and Eric 542 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.119 Davis basically, as far as I can see, had some kind of a 543 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:38.280 recording device recording all the details of their conversation for an hour and ten minutes. 544 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:44.599 That's the only explanation I can see of how detailed this memo is. 545 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:51.320 I wouldn't think that someone from their own memory could reconstruct the actual dialogue that 546 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:58.480 he did does in this memo, and basically it is the recollections of Admiral 547 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:06.840 Wilson being shut down in nineteen ninety seven from access to a reverse engineering program 548 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:14.199 by a government civilian contractor who would not allow him to have access as j 549 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:19.159 two Joint chiefs of Staff second in command, who was in charge of all 550 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:27.239 the subcontractors and all the military intelligence departments. They said he did not have 551 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.760 a need to know what their program was about. Eventually they told him and 552 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.639 confirmed that they were a reverse engineering program of alien technology that was not this 553 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.159 world fascinating stuff. Wow. And this you know a lot of this sort 554 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.840 of rings of the MJ twelve documents, you know, and it's a very 555 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:51.920 similar, very similar in a lot of different ways. And you know, 556 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.960 there's it's going to be awful hard to convince, I think, to commence 557 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.880 everyone in the UFO community that this thing is one hundred percent right, or 558 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:07.360 even if it's you know, partially right. Um, there's that that would 559 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.360 kind of throw up a lot of red flags. And and uh, you 560 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.960 know he's saying he remembers part of it. Well that's interesting, but it 561 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.719 would really you know, like you said, if you could bring this person 562 00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:22.360 into court and and and you know, have them testify about it, you 563 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.719 know, maybe you'd get some more information. Have you actually have you actually 564 00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:32.400 yourself tried to get more information on this document by making contacts? Oh yes, 565 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.559 for sure. And not just myself, but there's a you know a 566 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.639 lot of the young guns out there as well, you know, Frank's Dalter 567 00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:44.719 and Jan Hannah and all those folks that are out there doing their best to 568 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.760 dig deep and find out, uh the veracity or the falsity of this document. 569 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.519 Um, there's a very interesting thing that is mentioned on the last page 570 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:59.119 in this fifteen page memo, by the way, that you brought up a 571 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:05.119 very interesting point that indeed there could be some disinformation in this document itself, 572 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:09.679 because there's a gentleman by the name of Jacques Gazler who was a friend of 573 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:15.880 Admiral Wilson who met meets him at the Pentagon after this whole fiasco happens and 574 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:22.559 Admiral Wilson is asked to step stand down and not pursue this anymore or else 575 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.920 he's going to lose a couple of stars and be retired. Early Jacques Gansler, 576 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:35.079 himself a Pentagon official at the DoD, told Admiral Wilson that, you 577 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:39.760 know, yeah, UFOs exist, they're talking informally, but alien abductions don't 578 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.719 exist. That is an interesting twist at the end of the document that really 579 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.519 throws a kink into things for the UFO community, and you wonder what that 580 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:55.079 information was in there. For Wow, that is interesting. We have about 581 00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.320 nine minutes to go to the last break we have in the show, and 582 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.880 so for the person lazy like myself out there that I just skimmed through it, 583 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.199 a little bit. Can you give some of the highlights and why you 584 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:13.239 think it's really important? Yeah, for sure. By the way, Martin, 585 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.639 I I realize that it is a lot to take in because I've had 586 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:22.360 this document under my perusal for over six months and have gone through all the 587 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.960 dates and details and organizations to vet them. So what I'm going to do 588 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:32.880 is I'm writing what I call it executive summary of this entire memo that will 589 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.559 be available for people to really just kind of get a flow of the things, 590 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:39.960 so that should be a little easier for folks to handle. That will 591 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.639 be up on the UFOI team Facebook page very shortly and on YouTube as well. 592 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.920 I'll get you a copy for sure. But there are so many things 593 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:55.920 in this document that seemed to ring through, including the basic idea that m 594 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.880 J twelve existed. They are talking about the fact that Admiral Wilson got confirmation 595 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:10.440 from various people in the Pentagon and these subcontractors that a group that was either 596 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:15.519 called m J twel or the Cabal or anything like that, that was in 597 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:22.519 charge of alien crashed craft actually existed. So that was something that the Admiral 598 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.719 was saying that he found out in this thing. A matter of fact, 599 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:31.559 when he called these subcontractors to finally confront them with what they they knew and 600 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:38.519 why he didn't get briefed about the situation, they actually started spilling the beans 601 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.920 a little bit about what was going on, and they could only go so 602 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.960 far, and then they said, it's a core secret, Admiral, we 603 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:52.679 can't tell you. Interesting, so, and what are some other things that 604 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:58.800 came up, and say, the conversations with Eric Davis and that part of 605 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.440 it that were you know that the listener interested in UFOs would like to hear. 606 00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:08.199 Well, you know, there's all sorts of details in that document about 607 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:15.320 the idea that there were a crash at Roswell, New Mexico. Not only 608 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.239 that m J twelve existed, but the crash at Roswell, New Mexico happened. 609 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:28.039 The retrieved technology is being studied by these reverse engineering programs that are run 610 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:34.239 by civilian contractors. There's the whole idea that there was something called them biggot 611 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:39.559 list of need to know people that each of these organizations keep and unless you're 612 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:45.119 on their biggot list, which is bigot and it sounds very racist, but 613 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:52.599 it's basically an anachronism backwards. That stands for to Gibraltar, which was a 614 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:58.280 code name used during the World War two invasion at Normandy to start planning that 615 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:02.840 event, and they ended up the reverse of that instead of too Gibraltar to 616 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:08.599 jet biggot backwards as a codename of anybody who has a need to know for 617 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:16.719 a specific unacknowledged special access program. So when the Admiral met with the civilian 618 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:21.320 contractor, they showed him their biggest list and he was not on it. 619 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:27.719 There were no US presidents, no White House personnel, no Congressional personnel, 620 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:36.480 no military personnel on this list. Only a few Pentagon employee officials that oversee 621 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:42.119 the program. So those are very fascinating conversations that Eric Davis was having with 622 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:47.800 Admiral Wilson about the details of these programs. And basically, this was one 623 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:54.519 program dealing with one reverse engineering aspect of the whole phenomena, So you never 624 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:59.920 know how many others are out there. Interesting, well, you know how 625 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:07.840 how long ago Roswell was and if they brought forward some type of craft gear 626 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.800 and they were reverse engineering it, that's a long time. That's what is 627 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:20.639 that seventy you know years and how could they possibly keep that, you know, 628 00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.840 quiet? First of all, how could they keep that quiet? And 629 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.760 if it's I'm talking specifically, if it is in the hands of a private 630 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.480 which I actually would agree, that is a great way to um, you 631 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:37.599 know, to hide, you know, keep out of Congress and you know 632 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:44.119 anything else is to get in the private sector. But how could this be 633 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:50.079 grandfather from it's generational at this point, So how could something like this make 634 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:55.440 it through generations of say reverse engineering or you know a company, um, 635 00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.360 you know, working on trying to discover what these these things are and how 636 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:05.039 they work. We have about four minutes left. Okay, well, you 637 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.920 know that's the whole Bob Blazar story right there in a nutshell, which is 638 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.039 kind of strange. Bob Blazar comes out with or they come out with a 639 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.320 movie about Bob Blazar's very recently, and this memo comes out shortly thereafter, 640 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:24.239 basically confirming the idea that these civilian back engineering or whatever programs that we've got 641 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:30.239 working for the military are really hamstrung themselves. In the memo, it's mentioning 642 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:37.599 the fact that they have very slow progress in reverse engineering these special projects and 643 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.800 they are stuck using basically the personnel that are only on their biggot lists. 644 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:47.440 They can't access the wide range of scientific consultants out there in the world that 645 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.239 could help them, and they can only use their own facilities due to the 646 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:57.880 stovepiping and you know, the secret things that they have to keep, you 647 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.199 know, depending on their budgets too. So I kind of goes on for 648 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.800 decades from what this memo is saying, with very slow progress, which is 649 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:10.800 kind of flies in the fact of there could be also a you know, 650 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:16.239 a reverse or a secret space program that's already doing all this stuff. So 651 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:20.880 we almost have like two things going on at the same time, you know, 652 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:24.639 and you never know which ones are the correct versions of reality out there. 653 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:29.800 We're gonna be taking calls in an hour or two. But I just 654 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.000 I just happened to notice, and I can't really pay attention to chat too 655 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:36.519 much, but I noticed a question from a Jay Allan. He wanted to 656 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:42.079 know which remote viewer is mentioned in the memo. Um, gosh, you 657 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.880 know, it was two women, and I don't have the memo off the 658 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.119 top of my head, but I'll tell you who it was. It was 659 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:58.199 the woman who actually channeled an alien at the I think it was Right Patterson 660 00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.000 Air Force Base, and she was me with some of the high brass there 661 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:06.360 that she had convinced that she could do this, and in reality, what 662 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:10.440 she did is she actually made an arrangement for one of the actual officers that 663 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:16.920 were there to become a channeler himself, and an alien craft showed up outside 664 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:22.480 the window at Right Patterson to do that. Forget her name off the top 665 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:27.519 of my head, but she's one of them very famous incident that's been written 666 00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:31.599 about in ufology over the years. Oh okay, all right, So a 667 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:36.360 lot of people know my long time listeners know that I'm sort of skeptical about 668 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.760 certain things, and so a lot of things we're talking about tonight I'm sort 669 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:43.639 of skeptical about. I'm letting you talk to you. You know, you're 670 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:45.280 making a good case for things. But I will have to tell you that 671 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:50.639 Bob Lazarre is on my skeptical list, and a lot of people are not 672 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:55.119 happy about that. But I've still I personally think that, you know, 673 00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:00.159 Jeremy did a good job at the movie. He did, but I still 674 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:04.000 think that I was trying to be convinced to believe the whole thing. And 675 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.599 I also watched the Joe Rogan Bob Lazar interview, the whole thing. It 676 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:14.840 was two hours. And the more I watch, the less I believe and 677 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.199 I the less I believe him. And that's not a popular view, but 678 00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:23.400 it's it's the it's just a feeling, a gut feeling I have, you 679 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:30.840 know, maybe as an appraiser really looking into things and watching people and stuff. 680 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:36.199 But anyway, I'm not saying I'm an expert on people, but it 681 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.400 just my thoughts are still that I don't really buy it one hundred percent. 682 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.760 However, I do agree that a lot of really interesting things have come about 683 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.960 because of what Bob Lazar has said, so I will give him that. 684 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:54.519 And at this point though, we are about ready to go into break, 685 00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:01.920 So my guest tonight is Michael Hall and we will be right back right after 686 00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:10.360 these messages. All right, everyone, that's it for the free part of 687 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.760 the show. Thank you so much for listening. Our guests next week it 688 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:21.920 could be either Bill in Nancy Burns or doctor Bruce mccabee. It's going to 689 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.840 be one of the two sets of guests there, just waiting to get it 690 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:29.960 confirmed. So I want to thank everyone that helps out with the show. 691 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.800 Anyone can support the show. All that information is over at podcast ufo dot 692 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:39.800 com and you can catch the full shows on YouTube. If you can't you 693 00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:44.119 can't help us out financially, you can go over there and check them out 694 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.639 that way. Anyway, thanks so much for listening, and remember to keep 695 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:58.960 your eyes to the sky.