1 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,839 Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's No Metal. We are a podcast. 2 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:32,719 We talk about rock and heavy metal here every Friday, and if you are 3 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:34,840 here, you're probably like the things as well, so let's talk about it. 4 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,079 Today. We are here back with a hype of Last, which is 5 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:41,359 our weekly news flash show. Normally ain't quite as dramatic as it is this 6 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:43,520 week, I can tell you that much, but you know, level heads 7 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,399 all the same. I'm parent Haish fresh off of talking about Satanic BDSM with 8 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:51,920 me. Yes, that was a thing our Elliott Paisley and Sam Dignon. 9 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:56,560 How are we doing? I think like the podcast generally like Satanic b D 10 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:00,920 seven talks, so it's nice to get the quote, get a bit of 11 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,000 that in there, you know, like scare the kids a little bit. 12 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,799 Yeah, I agree. Today we have maybe not loads of news, but 13 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,439 the stories that we have one in particular, Wow, this is one of 14 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:21,200 the most unbelievable, astounding things that I think we've ever spoken about on this 15 00:01:21,239 --> 00:01:23,079 podcast. I'm genuinely gonna go that far with it. I'm of course, 16 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:29,560 referring to the latest update in these sort of ongoing saga relating to via as 17 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:36,040 murder and there their vocalist now former see J McMahon. This is, of 18 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:41,040 course, following up on we had a pretty serious conversation a few weeks ago 19 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:48,159 when CJ posted on Instagram a violently transphobic statement. Let's let's call it what 20 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,760 it was. It was a statement that we really had to be like, 21 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:53,599 Wow, this is something you've got to draw a line for, right, 22 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,640 like you, you cannot go around saying these kind of things. It's genuinely 23 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:01,959 dangerous in order to encourage that kind of rhetoric. And what we have got 24 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:07,080 here, it's a quite incredible occurrence. Like you just have to marvel at 25 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,560 what's unfolded here. Like I was. I was with Mark at the weekend 26 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:15,039 and I would genuinely remember where I was when I found out what VIA's murder 27 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:19,960 had done here. You know, I got senated by my mate Jameson. 28 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,479 It was like fuck me, this is like come out of nowhere. But 29 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:29,639 it definitely has recontextualized a lot of things over the last few weeks because obviously 30 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,759 when it all kicked off and night As murdered did their statement, and I 31 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:38,719 was quite quick to be quite dismissive of it because of again, there still 32 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,800 was quite like basically them, but now you go if he was any kind 33 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,719 of like, okay, there is clear there was clearly a lot of moving 34 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:49,759 parts in the behind the scenes that were going on that has kind of just 35 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,639 gone, fuck me. This has been way more catastrophic for the band and 36 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:58,719 out there and kind of completely shaking the foundations of them than we then we 37 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,599 knew. So the last time we spoke about the Light as Murder situation was 38 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:07,479 when CJ posted his slightly noncommittal feeling apology video. More on that later as 39 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:12,039 it turns out, but from there, like I didn't know about you guys, 40 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,120 if that was going to be the end of the story, I was 41 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:17,280 putting them on the pile of things that we probably weren't going to keep covering. 42 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:23,080 So written them off totally. I I'm not interacting with them until we 43 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,360 get something because we found that to be a fairly weak notion from both CJ 44 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,280 and what the band posted, and it at first it looked like they were 45 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,759 maybe adopting a bit of a kind of let's let this blow over approach, 46 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:38,759 and then they announced that there was going to be a weak delay on their 47 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:40,960 album, and I assumed that was just something you know, logistical, you 48 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,120 know, like physically, that's not been a normal occurrence at all, and 49 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:46,680 last a couple of years to have like, oh, you know, we 50 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:50,240 have to wait for certain records to come over or whatever. There was no 51 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,840 reason to infer from just a weak delay that can have anything to do with 52 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:57,759 the CJ situation, because surely nothing could be done in a week. Sure 53 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:03,120 surely not. But that's what's happened via as Murder. On the release day 54 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:08,199 of the new Haven't God Like, which was last Friday, posted a statement 55 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:15,360 declaring that actually the reason the record had been delayed a week is that they 56 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,240 have removed c J from the band just fully. He is not going to 57 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,680 be in the band anymore. They also removed him from the record, and 58 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,800 they spent the week re recording the vocals on it with a new still undeclared 59 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:38,240 vocals I think declared now, oh I saw they played a show with him. 60 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,600 Yeah, it's the guy from a Versions Crown. Okay, that's what 61 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:44,600 everyone worked out anyway. But in the statement, it was you know, 62 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:50,879 which recorded the vocals again with a new vocalist. Yes, And the statement 63 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:57,240 in hot in its totality is also quite incredible in terms of some of the 64 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,759 stuff that's kind of aired from the band around. I guess they're reasoning for, 65 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:05,800 you know, removing CJ from the band. Now, this is a 66 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:10,439 very serious topic. You know, there are a lot of conflicting opinions about 67 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:13,839 it going around at the moment, and I would like to adopt the position 68 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,279 of being pretty calm about this. You know, there's been too much of 69 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:19,160 victorioal about this on the internet already. But last Friday, I couldn't help 70 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:26,720 myself feeling a little bit of sort of giddy, slightly awe struck excitement in 71 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:32,839 a band cutting their bigoted singer out of the picture that ruthlessly. Oh my 72 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:39,240 god. There is one line in their statement which is just like, fucking 73 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:46,519 yes, you have nailed the entire shut down the entire argument in one sentence 74 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,040 there, which is the whole like you are entitled to Everyone is entitled to 75 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:53,720 their free speech and hold their own views and make their own believes they also 76 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,079 have to deal with then the consequences of those beliefs. And I'm like, 77 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,120 yep, cool, draw line under it. There is no further argument to 78 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,319 be made. They have completely just summed up the issue for me, And 79 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:08,519 with that line. I was like, I'm called to listen to that as 80 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,600 murder Again. I think it kind of says something that they haven't delayed. 81 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,759 I think there's such a conscious thing here of almost making CJ look like a 82 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,360 nonentity almost, if that makes sense, because we live in an age now 83 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:26,480 quite recently where bands can kind of back out of releasing records and can just 84 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,680 indefinitely delay things for months and months, and you'd think if they didn't want 85 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,600 CJ to be part of it, they could fire him and then take time 86 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,800 to regroup and put the record out next year. For me, there seems 87 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,600 to be something really, like you say, pointed and ruthless about going would 88 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,040 delaying it by no more than a week, You're not even going to know 89 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:47,680 it's happening, and then when it drops you find out you're out the band, 90 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,360 You're not on the new record, Like that is a fucking move. 91 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,600 Yeah, So the indefinite delay thing, I wonder if part of that is 92 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,160 obviously a big factor in all this is the physical album factor, which there 93 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,240 is a you know, there's a certain detail that we're very much going to 94 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,360 get to and then it is very interesting guards to particularly release. But you 95 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:09,839 know, when people have pre ordered an album, maybe you know, up 96 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:12,480 to a week beforehand. You know, you might be going, oh, 97 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:14,920 we're sending this out in the post, you know, and to suddenly go, 98 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,000 oh shit, we can't release this, which completely derail everything. But 99 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:26,839 the week of activity that they must have undergone to do this, obviously, 100 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:30,360 there's a couple of weeks of you know, organizing like, Okay, we 101 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,879 clearly need to do something about this guy. Maybe they'll get in touch with, 102 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,160 you know, the person who they want to work with or whatever, 103 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:41,759 et cetera. But like, this is an fucking atom bomb of a thing 104 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,319 to drop on someone. I mean, like the c J m at mayn 105 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,240 means from back in the day really come full circle this week. You know, 106 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:51,519 like he didn't know he posted on the morning of the album's release of 107 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,439 it coming out, oh what are your favorite songs our new albums out? 108 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,519 Not knowing they just spent a week removing him from it. That is an 109 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,319 insane power move, right, And it's like it's it's cruel, Like it 110 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:07,920 cannot feel nice to have the people that you've been in the band with for 111 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:13,120 over a decade go behind your back like that, and like, you know, 112 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:15,199 waking up and learning with the rest of the world like, oh my 113 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,639 god, it's it's so ruthless. But when it is because you went on 114 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:24,920 a violent tirade suggesting that we should burn to death, you know, in 115 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,959 parents who accept their gender nonconforming children's identities, and by the sounds of it 116 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,840 as well, we don't know what's been going on behind the scenes for a 117 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,440 while. There's more. Yeah, I mean, I mean they full name 118 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,799 him as well, we called him CJ, but they're like Chris mcmartin' is 119 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,159 like, oh god, brutal. It feels like that statement has been poured 120 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:46,320 over by a lawyer. Yeah, but like it's like I said, I 121 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,639 part of me was extremely pleased because, like you, I was like, 122 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:58,679 if cgmmon is maintaining in this band and all the further apologies or statements, 123 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,559 that know, all we get is what we had already received. I was 124 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,279 like, that doesn't feel good enough to me. That feels like, like 125 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,679 I said, waiting for it to blow over. I don't feel happy about 126 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,480 that. So I was pleased to be like, yes, I'm glad that 127 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:16,279 you've done the right thing, but to do it in such a like fucking 128 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:24,519 mission impossible ass way of doing it is like just utterly like befuddling, like 129 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,240 just thinking about what has what's been happening here? I mean that that the 130 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,519 way they didn't may think that things must have been really bad for the band 131 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,600 in the last like month. Basically yeah, when this all played out, 132 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:41,399 I'll read out that part of the statement they say what transpired over the past 133 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,000 month was not the cause of this action, but just another symptom of the 134 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,279 drawn out to breakdown in his character and judgment, the straw that broke the 135 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:50,360 camel's back, if you will. The fallout has been immense. We were 136 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,639 lobbied with threats to destroy via as murder from the inside if we did not 137 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:01,480 capitulate to various ideologies that he holds. Again that that that that's suggests more 138 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,840 like like again if like and again like that's not them downplaying the transphobia and 139 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:09,879 the violent misogyny in his thing. That that's them sort of saying like this 140 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,559 is just one of many things that is just like it is completely incompatible to 141 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,200 continue the band with him. And again, the way they've kind of said 142 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:20,759 is like em was is like he was being manipulative of them. And again 143 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,120 I can't spid of any definitive thing on on that sort of stuff, but 144 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,559 from their perspective what they've said, it sounds like Tens is riding high and 145 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,000 it was kind of like this is either you do with me or the band 146 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,639 ceases to exist. I mean, yeah, it sounds like a you know, 147 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,320 he went down a serious rabbit hole at some point. And if you 148 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,080 know, it's, as they say, a kind of like he was demanding 149 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:48,159 that the band, I guess, kind of you know, shift their position 150 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,919 in order to espouse more of those things. If the rest of the band 151 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:54,919 don't you agree with that, then at that you know, if that person 152 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:58,840 again really forces that on the others in the band, ironically, isn't it, 153 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,080 then there's gotta be you know, something is gonna gonna give there. 154 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:13,759 But the way they have again done this thing so secretively day of release, 155 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,639 letting not just the world but CJ himself learned that they've been removing him from 156 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:26,600 the record, does suggest like those are those are communications that are fucking dead 157 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:30,440 in the water, right, Like, Yeah, it's aggt to me that 158 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:35,279 they viewed CG as a complete loose cannon, because yeah, in an ordinary 159 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,039 circumstance, you know, like you say it is, it is ruthless and 160 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,320 cruel to do that, So it's not nice to wake and find it you're 161 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,320 not in the band anymore, and your final statements been washed out. But 162 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:52,279 it says to me that they couldn't trust him to take it properly, if 163 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,159 that makes sense, Like they almost couldn't be they weren't in a position where 164 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,159 they could fire him and replace him in the normal routes. The only way 165 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,600 of navigate this in a way that could, like they were saying, sort 166 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,480 of maintain the band is by being sort of underhanded, and you know, 167 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,600 back alley about it. And that's kind of us alarming because I've not heard 168 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:20,000 of I've genuinely haven't heard of a case like this ever. Yeah, and 169 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:26,360 the next detail that we got past again CJ woke up posted this fucking unbelievable, 170 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,600 like, whoa, what's the thing? The thing I particularly think he's 171 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,120 worth noting of his initial post is where his like I woke up and just 172 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,200 saw the news post is it ends with burn everyone to death, in which 173 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,679 he reiterates and uses with a winky face, the exact wording that got him 174 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,120 in hot water in the first place, so good sense does not feel like 175 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:48,279 it's a thing with with this guy. He then came back and spoke about 176 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,639 the apology video that he had posted, you know, initially, which we 177 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:54,600 at the time were like, m doesn't this doesn't seem to add up that 178 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,600 your apology videould just be like, oh, I didn't want to be transphobic, 179 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,080 even though the thing I said was just openly via transphobic. Turns out 180 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,200 he didn't want to make that video and he said so, and he said 181 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,840 the band forced him to do it, and he actually posted a second video, 182 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,120 which was the one that he wanted to get out there, in which 183 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,399 he goes on a much longer sort of explanation of like his position, in 184 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,799 which he doesn't really it takes a vision of like, you know, I 185 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:20,919 didn't have anything to apologize for my wording. This is the issue I have. 186 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:26,200 And again, I there's a discrepancy in what he puts here, because 187 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,279 he says in his longer explanation that he is against, you know, specifically 188 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,600 forcing these kind of discussions onto children of a very young age who are too 189 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:37,720 young to talk about these things. But that's not what his original post was. 190 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:43,200 His initial post was again to my memory, you can correct me if 191 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,919 I'm wrong anybody, because the post has been taken down. The initial you 192 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:52,960 know, offending post. But it was a child, you know, saying 193 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:56,919 hello, I am you know. It was the wording are you a boy 194 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:58,840 or a girl? And this person says, oh, I feel like both, 195 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:01,759 and the parent, who is the person they threatened to burn to death 196 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:07,799 in it, says, Okay, that's not forcing, that's acceptance, right, 197 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,440 And that's what made so much the original post feel like such a wild 198 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,919 nor to sixty from him in the first place. But the fact that he 199 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,639 has now come out and said, oh yeah, that apology video that I 200 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:22,600 put up, the reason it felt so insincere is because it was was total. 201 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,159 I mean, there was a bit in these Legsbidian where again you're like, 202 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:30,000 you're making this so much worse where he says like a child could say 203 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:33,279 they want to be a dinosaur or they want to be a terrorist, and 204 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,879 the parent and it's like Jesus Chris, and I think he specifically says like 205 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,960 Islamic terrorists and it's like Jesus Christ, make you you're you're off the deep 206 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,879 end if you if this is the links're pulling Like he's said that, Like 207 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,480 it's the same as a parent validating a child said they wants to be a 208 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,720 terrorist. I'm like, no, no, it really fucking isn't. You're 209 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:58,279 lunatic? Yeah, and again, so his statements just completely increasingly come across 210 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,200 as a bit unheard, to be honest. So putting that again with the 211 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,440 context of the band have gone behind his back and secretly removing from the record 212 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,759 area. Think clearly, as you say, Elliott, viewing him as someone 213 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,279 who it is better to just cut loose in the most sort of clean, 214 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,159 cold way possible than it is to you know, try and work anything out 215 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:24,200 with or whatever. One of my first responses was to go, what about 216 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:30,600 physical because, as we're just saying, vinyl pressing times and things like that 217 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:33,000 have been such a cause of concern in the modern era are certainly you know, 218 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:39,039 COVID times and onwards. This ship's you know, pressed fucking months in 219 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,000 advance, and it's so expensive for bands to do. It's a major major 220 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:46,039 investment that they only do because they have so on pre orders to kind of 221 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,240 recoup to trust that there's going to be you know, an audience that are 222 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,120 going to be buying that, making that investment worthwhile. How the fuck are 223 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:58,039 you going to remove c dem A Lands vocals from a already pressed vinyl pre 224 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,080 order? Someone asked this question and that as Murder responded saying, yeah, 225 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,600 we couldn't. The physical version if you've got a vinyl preorder, is the 226 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,519 original recorded version with j on it, the version that the woke mob don't 227 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:12,159 want you to hear, and the digital version that has went out, and 228 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:18,799 presumably any future pressings will be the upgraded version with the new singer on it. 229 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:23,879 That as just a concept, I think it again moving away from the 230 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:29,840 sort of the the the I guess ethical debate that's going on, and just 231 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:33,960 in terms of a historical one that could only happen at this point in history, 232 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,559 right, because like the the digital online side of music never had this 233 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,600 malleability in the past. It reminds me of like, you know, about 234 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:45,879 five years ago whatever, when Kanye West would do things like patches albums and 235 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,960 every we were like, what the fuck? The life of Pablo is different 236 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,679 now? Like if a band had a disgraced singer before an album comes out 237 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:57,720 and they wanted to remove him in any point prior to fucking twenty eighteen or 238 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,320 whatever. I don't know what a year when you put this, but you 239 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,759 know, any point prior to the sort of streaming era, they would pretty 240 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:07,319 much have to just bite the bullet and have it as it is and just 241 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:08,720 sort of write it off and be like you're going to change the singer immediately 242 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,720 or scrap the whole thing. That reminds me this was a couple of years 243 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:18,440 ago. I think Laurna Shaw literally landing in this exact situation where their singer 244 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:22,200 on their new album, like a week before it was meant to come out, 245 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:25,640 was out an abuser, and so they were like, look, we're 246 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,119 gonna have to put the album out with him on it. He's not getting 247 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,480 any proceeds from it, listen to it, support us, he won't benefit 248 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,759 from it, but he will be on it. And that was that, 249 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,599 and that was kind of like the Sinners. The solution is gonna like, 250 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:37,799 look, we have to cut him out. Yeah, he's gonna be on 251 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:42,640 the album. But nowadays it feels like there is this new route of like, 252 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,000 okay, so if it's this coat to the bone, this was gonna 253 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,599 have him on it, but we can remaster patch all to the album and 254 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,839 like, yeah, like rebalance it whatever you like, however you want to 255 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,279 look at and just make it. How is it going to work with royalties? 256 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:03,519 You know, like he must surely he must receive something legally from the 257 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,039 version of the album that he's on the vinyl pre orders or whatever. But 258 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:08,599 you know, in terms of changing it, how is it? It's it 259 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:15,960 opens up all these fascinating like slightly unprecedented what do we do here? Songwriting 260 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,359 credits and all that doesn't as well? Was how much it was? Yeah, 261 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,440 like I don't think it any of it is in venice, but like 262 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:25,559 it's in terms of his performance, it's just opens sort of like fascinating, 263 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:27,200 like you know, what is the answer here? And I presume vi As 264 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:30,640 Murder must have worked these things out as they went through this fucking, you 265 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,160 know, mission impossible gauntlet. But like you know, maybe it's because we've 266 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,880 been doing our Alison Chains special but I do start to put on my sort 267 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,000 of historian hat. It's almost like a new era in musical documentation because there 268 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:45,720 is a version floating around with this album that has CJ's vocals on it. 269 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,400 I can't hear it right now because it's not on streaming and I don't have 270 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,440 a vinyl copy, but someone there does. And imagine if in twenty years 271 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,799 time, we were doing like a via As Murder special and we got to 272 00:18:55,839 --> 00:18:57,359 god like and we had to go, okay, here are two versions of 273 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,519 this album, Like that's their career wrap up forever, you know, like 274 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:03,759 this, this ship hasn't happened before quite like this. Yeah. The thing 275 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:08,200 that weirds me out about it is sort of touching slightly on the ethical thing 276 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,319 again. If you're a big dis Murder fan and you want to have all 277 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:15,279 the records and you're excited for this one or whatever, if you go and 278 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,119 saying a year or two if they repress it, if you go into a 279 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,920 shop, will you have any way of knowing which version you're getting, because 280 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,759 even when you put the records on, they sound very similar. They found 281 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:29,640 someone who can match CJ's style. Will there be a thing saying, you 282 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,119 know, maybe not the CJ version, but will there be any way of 283 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,599 denoting it? Because then, on one hand, I guess you'd have to 284 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:40,319 look at the sort of year of pressing and just assume I guess, But 285 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:47,559 like they need to slap a sticker on the on the on the first album 286 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,759 with new vocalist. I mean, Elliot, you're I'm guessing that from that 287 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:53,799 you've you've heard the album because it was like it was, it was very 288 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,599 low and my priorities prior to a few days ago, this certainly made me 289 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,640 be like, Okay, I'm gonna put it on. Yeah. I was 290 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,079 really curious just to see like how obvious the switch was, like, because 291 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,480 they've clearly tried to make it as seamless as possible, so and they I 292 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:11,599 knew it was the guy from the Virgin's Crown, who sounds quite a lot 293 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,000 like CJ. The thing that is interesting for me is that I get the 294 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,559 impression they're doing this to kind of make the switch over into a new singer 295 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:25,079 as quickly as as seamless as possible and put CJ into the past. But 296 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,480 the thing you're saying about their legacy is because this hasn't happened before, I 297 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:33,359 wonder if this is going to be like the album without CJ rather than the 298 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,640 album with the new guy, Like the story almost overwhelms what they're putting out. 299 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:42,759 Yeah. I also thought of that lawn Ashure situation, because there's you 300 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,839 always feel bad for a band when a piece of work that they put so 301 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,079 much effort and pass it into gets overshadowed like this. And I know, 302 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,319 obviously it's early days. Now, the album's a week old. I assume 303 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,160 it's this is going to be remembered as the one with two versions where CJ 304 00:20:56,279 --> 00:21:00,559 got kicked out and secretly removed the day it was released. Can't not be. 305 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,240 That's too madd a story in too madd a situation. I again, 306 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:08,720 I listened to it for the first time today. If you really turn your 307 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,279 brain off and have it in the background, there's no way that you'd pick 308 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,119 up it as a different guy. I think attentively, there are differences. 309 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,559 There are. I mean, I'll give you an example. In the song 310 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,079 blood Thrown there there's a mush cool where he goes and so they rocked, 311 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,519 and he rolls his r's in a way that I've never heard CJ do. 312 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,200 It's more like a Travis Ryan approach or something. And so I think, 313 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:30,640 generally, with an attentive ear, you can go, Okay, that's a 314 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,400 guy who clearly has a very very similar vocal tone to CJ. They've obviously 315 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,319 picked him because he can do the parts very well, but you know, 316 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,240 it's a voice. You can't have an exact replica. He will sound a 317 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,799 teeny bit different in certain registers. I think there's a decent argument when you 318 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:49,720 look at the reaction online that this isn't as much a sort of like face 319 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:53,319 saving move as you could accuse them of doing if you were being really cynical 320 00:21:53,359 --> 00:22:00,599 about this, Because fact is, their social media pages are fucking swarming right 321 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,160 now with people telling them that the band is dead to them now and that 322 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,920 they are you know, pussies for bowing to the mob or whatever, seemingly 323 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,039 not aware that they seem to make up more of the mob than any else. 324 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:12,480 But it's it's it's a sad state where there are so many more people 325 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:17,240 who agree with CJ than you would like to think, and those people like 326 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,839 are absolutely making their voices heard when it comes to what they think of via 327 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,759 as murder in this situation. And you know you mentioned songwriting credit Sam, 328 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,799 there are people are like, oh, you know, you've stolen his lyrics. 329 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:32,599 Whatever, he didn't write the lyrics. Read any interview, and Andy 330 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,079 the guitarist is like the real mind behind all the music. I mean, 331 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,960 I've not I've not seen much of this, like the actual response to it 332 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,359 from what you're just not gone into comments sections, Yeah, just kind of 333 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,920 deliberately avoiding it. It's I didn't look, but I knew it was there. 334 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,039 Yeah, It's just it's it's just such a weird situation. And it's 335 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,720 like it feels like, depending on the circles you're moving on who you're speaking 336 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:04,759 to, either this is the most like brilliant funny fallout, or it's say, 337 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,720 some people bowing to the mob. And it's just like, it's kind 338 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,960 of a shame that they've clearly made a concerted effort to salvage the record, 339 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:17,279 and in the way they've done it, and I can't really think of another 340 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:22,279 way they could do it. They've made more gossip. Yeah, on the 341 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,359 side, it's an impossible situation they find themselves, and I think I think 342 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,480 just to you know, sort of I guess, get some of our own 343 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,599 whatever that Again, it's not hard to assume whose side we sort of land 344 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:36,839 on here, if you have to go be that sort of binary about it. 345 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,440 But like you know, we were saying we don't feel great about the 346 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,680 fact that cdmar and saying these violently transphobic things, which they were would be 347 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,319 sort of just kept in there without much real sort of change the opposite. 348 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,079 So you know, I'm sure I speak for all us when we say we 349 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,519 think it's a good thing. Again, I'm going to take that it's one 350 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,799 that is personal to me in my whole way of life and circumstance, So 351 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,680 of course I'm gonna feel strongly about it. And and again, like I 352 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,920 do, Jenny actually feel quite like again they're not necessarily the biggesteons because again 353 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,920 there's a guy violently threatening to skilled people. But they have been thrust into 354 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,400 a culture war now, but it's going to define this next chapter of their 355 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,799 band. Yeah, I guess that's what I want to want to follow up 356 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:22,359 on the is and no one wins these culture wars, like because you can't 357 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,640 get fruit. It is a really unfortunate position for the guys Nights moment to 358 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,319 basically be like they had a choice. Do they go with what is the 359 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,400 easier, probably more ultimately commercial of like letting it blow over seeing or do 360 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,119 they stick with their morals and take a stand. And I have like I've 361 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,000 got a lot of respect from them. And again they're now initial post of 362 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,440 the trans flag. We what we support you. I believe that now. 363 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,839 I didn't believe that when it happened, because it was just like and I 364 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,160 think that was clearly the moment that we need to get something out there, 365 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,319 because fuck, we need to figure something out, but we can't not address 366 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,559 this. And and now, like I said, they are trapped in a 367 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:02,759 culture war that is going to define the next this entire album cycle. Yeah, 368 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:03,839 that's what I wanted to follow up on, because, like you say, 369 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,960 they've done something where they are going to be dragged into again. People 370 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:11,640 will draw lines in the sand, and like they just want to move on 371 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,279 with their careers, right, Like they've made this album. Unfortunately it's going 372 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,160 to be mired in this sort of controversy and moving forward they have to deal 373 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,279 with people having made up their minds about them one way or another based on 374 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:29,240 how they handle this particular incident and just just kind of squash some of that. 375 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,880 I guess in terms of at least how I feel about that isma going 376 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,680 forward, I mean, like fucking you know, Ronnie rad Key obviously had 377 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,559 to pipe up like the awful shit stain and our collective shoe that he is, 378 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:41,160 But like there is that statement in the line in Diosma statement that you 379 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,880 mentioned, Sam that I think is one of the best things I've seen a 380 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,440 band say actually, which is everyone had their own right to free speech and 381 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,440 to seek their truth. They're also free to receive the consequences that come with 382 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,920 it. And again, it's not just oh, we said something that upset 383 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,440 people. It's not even just oh, he said something that we as a 384 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,680 band all disagree with and find a boring. There's obviously an internal band fall 385 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,079 out here. That's not we've not been privy to. If one member starts 386 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,039 to try and throw his weight around to take over a band and force him 387 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:12,480 to go in a direction with their message that the others aren't down with, 388 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:17,720 he's going to get kicked out. That's been true forever. That's not a 389 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:22,200 New Culture Wars issue or whatever. That's a guy being removed from a band 390 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,720 because he's a dick and they don't like him anymore. That like, there's 391 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:29,160 there's no conspiracy there. And people also again seem to be upset that, 392 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,240 you know, like Ronnie Radkey here the kind of vias murder or a band 393 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:37,079 who use evil, blasphemous imagery, but they draw the line at transphobia yeah, 394 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,319 because that's a different thing. That's like, it's a completely different intent. 395 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,319 What the hell is this idea that bands can't be edgy if they don't 396 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,400 let bigotry happen, Like it's just it's it's mind numbing seeing all this stuff. 397 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,640 The thing with me again is is the any idea that not being transphobic 398 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:59,000 is siding with the establishment? It fucking isn't. Have you not seen how 399 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:03,799 normal I and kind of like who's forward anti transnarratives are at the moment of 400 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:11,079 course all bases. It's so fucking establishment to be transphobic. And that's that's 401 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,759 one that makes this one really for me, is was like actually like taking 402 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,759 their thanks trans for me is the risk at the moment they should turn that 403 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,079 fucking freedom of speaks line into a mosh call that I get it into people's 404 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,720 heads. But like that there is a threat to their livelihood here, like 405 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,960 in choosing to remove him in the first place, the most recognizable person in 406 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,000 the band, who a lot of people agree with what he said, who 407 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,480 seemed to want to turn him into some kind of martyr after this, Like 408 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,640 that's a knock to as murder. But they felt they had to do it 409 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,359 anyway, what does that say I guess not just about maybe what they believed, 410 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,559 but also what the situation behind the scenes was like and how bad it 411 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:42,680 must have gotten. They left the band before, and the entire time CJ 412 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960 was gone, it was like, and then they're not as good about CJ 413 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,400 like that. I saw him on that and I thought they were still really 414 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,680 good live, but everyone was kind of like that CJ. They didn't do 415 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,279 any music. So then when CJ came back, it was kind of like 416 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,119 they are as Murderer back, So they knew that they knew that they were 417 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:03,240 taking a risk, having already experienced the kind of like without CJ. It's 418 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,119 not that it's Murder fallout. Yeah, I've had to you know, they've 419 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,759 had experienced with it, and they've had to go that's a risk worth taking 420 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,960 at this point, I think, you know, perhaps there are points in 421 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,319 the last couple of weeks where as Murder could have handled themselves a little bit 422 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,279 differently, you know, maybe hammered home the point a little bit quicker of 423 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,680 where their hearts lie or whatever, but here like a more decisive move you 424 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,119 could barely fathom to the Again, the reason we're talking about this so extensively. 425 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,160 I know it's gone on quite a while, this particular discussion, but 426 00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,480 it's it's amazing, Like I said, historically and just in terms of the 427 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,599 logistics of what's happened here. You know that there was a brief couple of 428 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,799 weeks where th As Murder flirted with being a maybe we've got to be in 429 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,359 the t shirts kind of band. Now I am quite impressed with them, 430 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,240 and I know there's a tour coming up, and there were a couple of 431 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,160 people who are I discord, who were like, oh, I've got my 432 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,559 tickets, Like, but I really i'd been upset about what's been said. 433 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,119 You know, do I go. I think there are definitely going to be 434 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,000 people now that CJ has gone and the band have made a move that they 435 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,119 don't agree with who won't be going. So maybe if you don't align with 436 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,519 that, I would be inclined to show my support either way you look at 437 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,559 it, whatever way you look at it, it's it's an incredible move. 438 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,599 You know, they re recorded the vocals in secret or while keeping the release 439 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,759 date still within a week of where it originally was. That doesn't happen, 440 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,400 you know, I think the only word you can use is scenes. Yeah, 441 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,160 so that is what's happened with I as murdered. That's our extensive take 442 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,480 on it, I suppose. Again, apologies if that one ran a little 443 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,200 bit long. It's just a pretty fucking unbelievable thing that happened. We're going 444 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:36,839 to move on. Bloodstock announced their third headliner. It feels like it's quite 445 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:38,480 soon. Actually it's only been fairly recently. You know, the first two 446 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,279 we're announced to Bloodstock itself this year, isn't it really? Yeah, but 447 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,400 we now have three blood Stock headlines. We've also got a few more bands 448 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,759 to be added to the bit as well, but obviously we had Architects an 449 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:55,279 a Monomath already occupying two slots there. The third they've been announced to be 450 00:29:55,359 --> 00:30:02,160 Opeth, who are particularly they're forming a fan picked. Now, this is 451 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,799 quite interesting. I don't know what it is. I look at that poster 452 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:10,839 and I go even though it seems very Bloodstock in a way, like all 453 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,880 three of these bands are bands. I would be personally excited to see Bloodstock 454 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,160 right headlining Bloodstock even but there's something about putting them together which just doesn't look 455 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,599 quite right. There is a weirdness to see Architects samwiched in between a modern 456 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:33,880 Marth and Opath, two Swedish death metal bands. Really bizarre. Yeah, 457 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,279 Like I mean, I will be Opath as a headliner, not particularly and 458 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,160 again I like some of the earlier Opef stuff, some of like the kind 459 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,039 of stuff I found requests it. I have no idea what that could turn 460 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,640 out to be. I'll be on there trying to get them to play some 461 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,880 still still life stuff. Finally, Yeah, bigg But I mean I think 462 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:59,720 it's it's it's a nice broad eclect techniques of headliners all doing different things within 463 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,640 the sort the realms of metal. I mean, it's like it's a weird, 464 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,079 like weird look to either over there. But I do think I'm like 465 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,119 that. I imagine that's that's quite a good mix. It's just strange because 466 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,599 when Architects got booked there was a whole criticism and it's one that I'm not 467 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,279 unsympathetic to about it seem a bit mini download, and now booking Opeth as 468 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,920 your third headliner, it's about as non mini download as you can have a 469 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,559 polutely a fan pick setlist which is going to be leaning on the records from 470 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,559 you know, Morning Rise to ghost reveries I imagine, and yeah, just 471 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,759 as a grouping as the three, it's weird because it's like the biggest band 472 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:44,079 are like the least traditionally Bloodstock and the band who have the most interesting draw 473 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,440 are sort of comfortably the smallest. It's it's one of those where you know, 474 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,960 you look at blood Stock lineups in the past and the three headlines you 475 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,759 can got to go, yet they're filling all three spots. They're all sort 476 00:31:55,759 --> 00:32:02,160 of similar size. Here You've got like an arena kind of mainstream metalcore band 477 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,119 who are leaning on things like Lincoln Park in recent years, and then like 478 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,960 I say, two bands that traditionally are Swedish death metal. Yeah, I 479 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,480 think there's something about, like I mean, architect through the whole thing out 480 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,279 of whack, right, And I don't mean that in a pejorative sense against 481 00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:21,839 architects. I am, you know, I'm with the people who say architects 482 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:23,440 get into headline a major metal festival is a good thing, and that's cool 483 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,440 and I'm excited to see it. But when you put it at blood Stock, 484 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,039 it was always gonna be like, Okay, how are you going to 485 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:30,519 balance this? Right? Because it was always the thing of trying to make 486 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:34,400 blood Stock still feel like Bloodstock and not the mini downloaders you put it in 487 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,839 to very much simplify it. And you go, Okay, I'm on a 488 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400 Marth with them. That's a super safe bet, right, That's that's a 489 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:45,319 relatively modern band. Yeah, they're they're even doing the Sunday slot, which 490 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,359 is traditionally kind of the classic band. But you did go, okay, 491 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,000 get an old band, right, Like I was wondering whether the Bidding Wolf 492 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,799 of Pantera was kind of going underway or whatever. We spoke about Scorpions maybe, 493 00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,400 who are on the VAC and Bill as like, she's like a really 494 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,680 old band. Who could you do it for the old heads? And you 495 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,880 go okay. There's three very different headliners, but all collectively they show the 496 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,759 breadth of what Bloodstock can be. There is something that's just really bizarre about 497 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:12,759 having Okay, we've gone really out of out of you know, left field 498 00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,480 tays what a Bloodstock band is with Architects, how are we going to balance 499 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:20,559 that? And and they've gone with you know, they they're lacking at that 500 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,160 really old sort of classic presence. Instead, they've got two bands who, 501 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,119 again either side of architect it's there's just something about it that looks really, 502 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,839 really fucking weird. It's hard to explain why, but you take one of 503 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,640 Opeth and on a math, wouldn't you and then maybe a classic that's like 504 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,799 you can see like yeah, one of those two and then and then you 505 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,279 say a more classic headline if they if they had booked pan Terra and obviously 506 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,079 putting aside any ethical concerns, now, I'm just talking purely business wise here. 507 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:50,319 If they'd booked pan Terra as a demographic or they'd pooked anything old and 508 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,119 that, like a Scorpions or something, and you had that Architects and on 509 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,720 a math, you go, okay, that's a strong bloodstock trio. But 510 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,799 I think having those two bands who are from a similar ear a you know, 511 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,920 gat a similar place in the world, even similar roots, it makes 512 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,760 And again neither of them are like obviously Opeth, I think Animono Math actually 513 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,119 are classic heavy metal bands, but they're not, you know, quotes classic 514 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,840 heavy metal bands. There's something about having those two bands that seem makes Architects 515 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,960 look even more incongruous and even more like a departure from what else is going 516 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,280 on. It's the logos as well. Yeah for me, like it's so 517 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,239 weird. So I guess it comes down to again, how how can you 518 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,119 balance this elsewhere? Because I imagine you obviously architect Day gonna have a load 519 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,760 of day tickets of people who just want to see architects. Are those people 520 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,280 going to be excited to see a Monomath and Opeth either side of you know 521 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,679 what is more traditionally bussed dot fare not necessarily. It's a very weird and 522 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,840 like I say, I personally, for me, that's a strong trio, 523 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,239 you know, Like I'm not I'm not the person who's going to be there, 524 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,360 particularly for architects necessarily, but I like them a lot, and like 525 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,480 I said, I'm happy to see them do the thing. Personally, I 526 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,719 will watch Opeth, I will watch Architects, I will watch I'm on particularly 527 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,880 the ape fan voted thing. I can get the right songs in there. 528 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,440 I have a great time each of those nights. But in terms of I 529 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,719 don't know, selling it as a festival, it's the most like what is 530 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,840 this festival? What is the identity of this place? I can remember in 531 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,639 a while. So I mean, like I said, I'm I'm excited, 532 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,199 but it's I just look at it in terms of thinking about the demographic and 533 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719 who's going to want to go. It just looks in Congress. I mean, 534 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,400 I see. I would say the undercard feels quite strongly bloodstocking its identity. 535 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,880 There's really again the slot on Outsider, but it's I look at that 536 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,880 under kind of girl like that that feels yeah exactly, But then it's about, 537 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,360 you know, making I just feel like the Saturday is going to stand 538 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,719 out so much from the other days. I mean, it's what's gonna happen 539 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,880 if you're sticking say you've got malevolence subheadline to architects like that feels like a 540 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,920 no brain and they're gonna stay hate Breed on there as well have been confirmed 541 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,440 to be on the Friday, So that's ope, God, that's all weird 542 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:02,000 and either way that's a head fuck. Op. Yes, I don't think 543 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000 that. I think they'll probably third down. I think we still got a 544 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,480 subheadliners to go in between them. But yeah, I have a feeling that 545 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:13,360 the Saturday is just going to have such a different vibe to the other days, 546 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,639 and I hope the other days can pick up the slack and don't feel 547 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:19,320 undersold in comparison. I don't know. I think that's the strangest thing about 548 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,639 it for me is that Architects are the biggest of the three bands. When 549 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,599 Parkway Drive did it, yeah, but they're the weirdest for the festival. 550 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:30,599 It's what was that twenty nineteen when Parkway Drive did it was like it was 551 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:36,039 Saboton, parkwer Drive and Scorpions. It's like sort of New Wembley Arena playing 552 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,519 power metal band and a classic one of the best selling rock and metal bands 553 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,079 sort of historically of all time. And so Parkway Driver like, yeah, 554 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,639 it's kind of it's something else, but you've already got the people whereas to 555 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:54,599 have the biggest band be the least traditionally Bloodstock is Yeah, that's what it 556 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,079 is. It's the biggest band is the least safe bet and you had to 557 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,639 counteract the least safe bet for the festival where things are more safe bets and 558 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:06,039 modern manth really is that Opeth kind of is as well, But like I 559 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,119 said, it makes it makes the wild card just look weirder. I feel 560 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,239 like we're sort of undo menicircle saying the same things. We're going to move 561 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,360 on now. But I just I look at that and I go, yeah, 562 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,039 I'll go. I don't know who else this is for now, Like 563 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,920 I said, I want to sort of ratle along a little bit because we 564 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,000 spent a lot of time talking about those first couple of stories. But this 565 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:29,039 is a highly notable thing as well. Live Nation also strummed up a whole 566 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,320 load of conversation this week because they've announced what they are calling the On the 567 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:39,000 Road Again program, which in short, removes much cuts from a long list 568 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,480 of venues that they are going to be working with in the US. I 569 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,360 haven't seen anything actually about whether this relates to the UK or any other territories, 570 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,639 and so I think when we are talking about it and people are asking 571 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:51,159 us questions, that's a big thing to consider. I don't know whether this 572 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,440 actually applies to shows that you know, you and I maybe go into. 573 00:37:54,639 --> 00:38:00,760 But they're also going to be providing essentially financial support for some bands with like 574 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,159 travel money basically, like they're going to be I think it's fifteen sorry, 575 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:08,159 fifteen hundred dollars for you know, just sort of general costs of being a 576 00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:14,960 band on tour. And that's pretty first look, you go, wow, 577 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,920 that's a pretty unbelievable thing. That's the kind of thing that we would never 578 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,440 assume these kind of capitalist monopolies to you know, ever budge on doing. 579 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:30,000 But concerns have been raised by particularly independent venues who aren't going to be involved 580 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:37,039 with this, about it being a further sort of employee by Live Nation to 581 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,679 try and monopolize some of the touring thing. And I think the important thing 582 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,360 there is actually the to me at least, it feels like the bonus money, 583 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,599 you know, because removing merch cuts is like, okay, that that 584 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,639 levels the playing field right between you and an independent venue that don't do that. 585 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,039 But giving band an incentive to play at your venues by offering, okay, 586 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:57,880 here's by the way, over a thousand dollars so you can your gas 587 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,159 money. Yeah, your gas money. That's like, oh that's that's feels 588 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,400 a little bit sneaky, don't it. Nothing can just be nice. This 589 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:12,519 is the problem. I'm in a nightmare this week. You read the first 590 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,639 thing, you just think like, oh, that's quite nice, given like 591 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:19,079 a little present for the bands, great guys, and then you hear this 592 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,079 other side you go, oh, really, I don't really considered that. 593 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,440 And it's a tough one because it's like you do want the can everyone be 594 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,239 happy? Like? Can the large venues? Can the independent venues? Can 595 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,079 the bands? Can they all? Kind of? Is there a really good 596 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,360 ecosystem where everyone gets a fair cut? You know, I don't know, 597 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,039 like you some of these capsulist monopolies, someone is to win and lose. 598 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,760 It's just I don't know. There is something about it where it's if something's 599 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,480 too good to be true. It probably is for me with it being live 600 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,679 Nation, who you know, did make an appearance in my eight the war. 601 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,039 It is too good to be true in my eyes, I'm not I'm 602 00:39:55,119 --> 00:40:00,440 like I see it by more. I'm not going to hand it to Nation. 603 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,599 There is an ulterior motive I just couldn't buy. Yeah, And that's 604 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,559 maybe just me being cylicle. Someone else is also drawn. Again. These 605 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:12,320 are again people involved independent venues and thing of that who have sort of seen 606 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,079 this and be like, hang on, let's read the small print here. 607 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,679 It's also been brought up that there's a for the next ninety days point, 608 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,000 So does that mean it's a hey everybody for the next ninety days. Its 609 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,360 basically a fucking like free trial. But then you'll go back to having your 610 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,519 cuts installed. I don't really know. It feels like a very strange yeah. 611 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:32,760 Again, I looked at it and when like, WHOA, what an 612 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,480 unexpected win for the rock and metal community, I guess music in general. 613 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,239 But then you think about it a bit longer and you go, oh, 614 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:45,519 there's something something mysterious. Is foot is a foot? Yeah? So I 615 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:46,280 guess we'll see where that goes. And I said, I don't know if 616 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:52,159 that even applies to you know where we are or not. Quickly fly through 617 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,039 a couple of new album announcements and things like that. The most shocking one. 618 00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,559 I had to read this a couple times to really figure out what's going 619 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,840 on. Year of the Knife. I've got a new album out. It's 620 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,039 going to be coming on the twenty seventh of October. It's called No Love 621 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,280 Lost. They've released two songs. Both of them are like a minute long, 622 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,320 fucking, nasty, violent. I really like Your of the Knife. 623 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,880 They're one of my preferred sort of the current sort of smaller hardcore bands, 624 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,079 I guess, and they feature the vocalists from Sangui, Superbog and Full of 625 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:25,559 Hell on the respective tracks, but obviously the sort of if your ears have 626 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:30,800 pricked up there the year of the knife. Currently, you know, recovering 627 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,639 from one of the most serious vehicle accidents that I can recall in recent memory, 628 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:40,039 and they're singer Maddy Watkins has been undergoing a extensive recovery process in hospital. 629 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,599 So this is obviously recorded quite a while ago, and it feels like, 630 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,360 again, a must be a really surreal environment to be releasing an album 631 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,800 in. Yeah, it definitely feels like this is Cleveland. So that was 632 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,760 done before the accident. Kind of pigs one that that ap they released, 633 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,519 was it either very early, yes, your w it's a lot like shorter 634 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:05,039 kind of grind yer life. But they've said they've got the album out's like 635 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,679 twenty minutes, so like they've clearly gone Maddie is Like, I'm sure they'll 636 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:13,239 probably intended to announce this album a couple of weeks ago, maybe yeah, 637 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:17,639 yeah, like but and they've clearly had to wait until Maddie isn't I can 638 00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:22,840 at least a somewhat stable and healthy condition before they can kind of do that. 639 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,719 But I'm really happy that they are, you know, they feel over 640 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,039 and where they can be like, okay, where we're ready to put our 641 00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:35,159 next statement and I hope that it's not too long before Maddie can you know, 642 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,440 get and again. I like how recovering Pressent seems really hard, but 643 00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:43,119 I'm I'm glad to see there there kind of ass where they can start to 644 00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,440 edge the band forward again. It's weird to hear songs like this and go 645 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,559 it's quite heartwarming to hear that noise because it's like, I kind of just 646 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,840 presumed that after that accident they either have no choice but to radically change or 647 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,880 maybe even bow out because it's such an, like you say, one of 648 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:07,760 the more shocking, horrific, sunning accidents to befall a band recently. And 649 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,599 even though this is they've kind of even said this isn't the promise of them 650 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:14,159 being at full capacity in terms of touring and bringing out But I imagine it's 651 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:15,760 good to have this like in the camp, like good for Spirits at least 652 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,159 to be like, we've got this so when we do come back, we're 653 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,519 not starting from scratch again. Yeah, I guess just you know again, 654 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,960 it's one of the things where the hardcore community is really sort of rallied around 655 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,519 them and you know shown you know, financial support and everything to them. 656 00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,440 So a new album coming out. I guess there's another way to show that. 657 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,519 And they are a good band, so that's coming up. We also 658 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:40,360 have the new album from under Dark, the second album UK black metal band. 659 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,440 They released a record in twenty twenty one that was pretty good. This 660 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,880 is a very interesting proposition. I think it's out on I think Church Road 661 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:54,039 Records, and it seems to be a sort of Midlands urban decay concept album 662 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:59,519 I suppose, of which they've released a track. I think the track is 663 00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:04,519 really really promising sounding. So that's coming out in November. That would be 664 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,239 one of sort of the last albums really sort of you know, hit our 665 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,159 ears before we get to end of year season and all that. But that 666 00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,760 sounds interesting. And then we also have Frank Carter and the Rattlesnakes returning for 667 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,360 their fifth album. Where did that come from? That's that's really that's a 668 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,400 that's a wild stat right there. But their record is called Dark Rainbow and 669 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,239 the song they've released from it Man of the Hour. It feels like another 670 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,239 swing they always they seem to jump around quite a lot, and I think, 671 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,159 you know, Sticky, I think we'll probably go down at least so 672 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:40,079 far as the most sort of divisive, least liked, perhaps by long time 673 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:44,519 fans, Frank Carter the Rattlesnakes album. I know that he's obviously that they're 674 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,039 a really big band, so they're obviously there are fans there. But I 675 00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:50,559 know, for our kind of demographic, the T and N community and so 676 00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:54,000 on, Sticky seemed to really do a nose dive in terms of the the 677 00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:58,519 positivity that was around Frank cart and the ratles Snakes. But this record is 678 00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,559 very different. Again, at least the song is Yeah, I like this 679 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:07,639 song. I'm always down from Frank doing his crooning, kind of melodic vocal. 680 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,599 I think he's he's got the when his character really shangs from that, 681 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,480 I'm always like, yeah, it's cool. I think this. This feels 682 00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,400 more believably believable. It's Frank Carter. Then. Like again, I think 683 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,039 Sticky was, you know, they wanted to have fun, cut, loose, 684 00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,079 dance punk record and cool. But this feels a bit more again, 685 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:29,199 just a bit more authentic. I've never really liked Frank car Rail Snakes, 686 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:30,920 like I don't know what, it's never jeal with them. With each record, 687 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,039 I think they've gotten worse and worse and Sticky Yard I was in the 688 00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:39,679 camp thing like truly like really rubbish record, But I admire the move on 689 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,800 this one, even if I'm not all that taken with it yet. It 690 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:50,039 sounds a little bit like sort of late stereophonics for my tastes. But the 691 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,239 one thing I've always admired about the rail Snakes is they're willingness to swing with 692 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,400 each record, like the fact that it's so obvious which album is, which 693 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,960 there's no one that's made of done them, buy another? And this promises 694 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,960 to be different again, So if you're if you're going with the direction, 695 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,519 that's exciting. Yeah, Like I I mean, I don't know if the 696 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:14,159 rattles nates I guess in terms of they're an interesting bad in terms of where 697 00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:15,840 they live, I guess, and where they sort of evolved into. I 698 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,920 don't even necessarily they are primarily a sort of you know, heavy music sphere 699 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,440 band anymore. But this, uh, you know, this song, it 700 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,400 does it appeals to some different spots that Sticky didn't. And I mean the 701 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,880 album covered as like a hotel your album or something like that. So yeah, 702 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,000 I'm always curious what's gonna be going on? I do I like this 703 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:43,400 song and it's going to be that's out on January the twenty sixth. Questions, 704 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,239 we'll try and do this fairly quickly, but we've got a few Martin 705 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:52,280 or Longshore asks. Who are your favorite musical siblings? Probably Roger or family 706 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,920 members because they've said probably Roger and Freddie from Agnostic Front and Mad Bull for 707 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,760 me, who I believe like cousins or nephew or something like that. I 708 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:05,199 just thought about simbling straight away. And obviously there's loads personally, Obviously, 709 00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:08,079 the first ones that come to mind, like the Cavaliers, the Abbots in 710 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:12,880 Pantera, the do plant Years in Gagia. Of those, I think I 711 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,199 would say the Cavaliers. Personally, I probably takes primer A Sepultura as my 712 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,360 favorite band of all those. Obviously there's the Youngs and a CDC fucking Van 713 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,559 Halen. I mean, you know, the Searls and the news that they 714 00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:27,320 made together for a lot of listeners I know will be a thing. You 715 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,280 know, Keith and Jordan as well, though not these days, but you 716 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,760 know, historically there's a lot. I mean that was my go to pick 717 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,039 was the Buckleys, but again, like that's there's been a bit of ugly 718 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:42,280 fallout from again recently from certain interviews. So yeah, I don't know if 719 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,800 I can say that at this point. I mean, who could forget Zach 720 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:52,519 Ward and Charlie Bonance. Well, no, it should replace the Abbots of 721 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:53,440 course. Sorry, that's a joke that went completely over my head. I 722 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,960 apologize. That was better than I gave it credit for. Again, I 723 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,960 thought about I was like, my first in think was the Valeras, and 724 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,960 then I remember the Boler Brothers and at the Gates, who are probably actually 725 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,840 my favorite band to contain musical siblings. It feels like they're not sor at 726 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,679 the forefront. I was like, oh, yeah, the Abbots of the 727 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,360 Plantiers, the Calalaria's, But that's a that's a that's I mean the engine 728 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,119 of that band. Really. One of the more intense ones in terms of 729 00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:22,280 the swing between the two members or three members really is the three Wilson's in 730 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,920 the Beach Boys, because Brian Wilson is maybe the greatest pop songwriter of all 731 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,719 time and Dennis Wilson was mates with the Madison family, so it's all good 732 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:38,039 company. The Beg's are all brothers, I think are Jerry Only and Doyle 733 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,039 brothers actually in the Misfits. There's a lot, are they? I think 734 00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,480 so? Yeah? Well the idlers in Lamb of God I mean historically, 735 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:50,960 but yeah, there's a fair few in like black metalans. Again, one 736 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,440 I really loved I kind of like, oh yeah then is like the tallest 737 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,880 brothers in Rotten Christ, who have been the two members of that band who 738 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,800 have sort of kept the step ship steady. Football is You? Is my 739 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:06,840 favorite one in terms of like I guess the idea of them being brothers is 740 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:13,119 you know the Swedish sort of black thrash band Nifflheim. Oh yes, because 741 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,400 their two brothers in that band are known in Sweden as the heavy metal brothers. 742 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,159 And if you have it's like it's in Swedi's like it's like the hard 743 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,960 rock brothers or something. But like the if you have reached a point in 744 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,119 your life where you're covered in fucking like spiked bracelets, I would say bracelets 745 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,039 is bracers, isn't it? Bracelets makes that sound way too fucking clair successories, 746 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,719 But like, if you reached that point and you are known in your 747 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,360 local sea and as oh yea, that's the heavy metal brothers, You're you're 748 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,000 absolutely doing it right. If we're talking about brothers in Nippelheim, one of 749 00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:46,079 my favorite metal stories ever is them talking about I think there were towe about 750 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:51,079 Metallica cutting their hair. And again if you don't know, if you're listening, 751 00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:55,239 the Nippleheim brothers are basically completely bored, but I have really loved and 752 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,320 one of them was in he said, like we in Nifflheim, we may 753 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:05,480 only have one there on our head, but it will be long. Yeah. 754 00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,960 If we're talking sort of the iconic pairings where the brothers actually feel like 755 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,199 a famous part of the image of the band, So like Pantera, Gagira, 756 00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:14,199 I guess you could throw a CDC and van Ham in that as well. 757 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,239 I would have the Cavalleras. But there are bands where you almost forget 758 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,239 that are brothers in them, so I would maybe take over all of that. 759 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,079 Kyle Finnity asked with the Live Nation cuts, do you see merch prices 760 00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:28,400 going down or staying as they are? I guess you've got to look at 761 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,000 the small print for this, which is a we don't currently know or his 762 00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,480 eye don't if it's going to be in the UK, all the revenge in 763 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,880 the US, so for us I don't think it means jack shit. And 764 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:43,199 also it was for the next ninety days, so I guess probably stayed the 765 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,039 same. I mean, accident they won't be going on going down either. 766 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:52,599 But I don't see the prices going down either, to be honest, because 767 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,800 I know band's sort of raised the prices to compensate for merch cuts and that 768 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,119 sort of thing. But if people are willing to pay those prices, and 769 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:02,880 most people don't know that this development has happened, I think most bands are 770 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,280 just going to go, let's just you know, we'll scrape a bit off 771 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,559 the top for ourselves for the first time. So I mean, I don't 772 00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:14,239 know. That's very cynical, but I don't see it changing. Prices don't 773 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,119 tend to go down for things, sure, O Brian asks this is you're 774 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,960 no way to put this question in. It's basically for you, Elliott. 775 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,840 Where do you draw the line between songs and albums being objectively good and it's 776 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,760 just being a personal preference that you think it's good. Is there even such 777 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,599 a thing as objectively good? And if so, what qualities make it so? 778 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,519 Is it true that some albums are so objectively good that you can't say 779 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,039 they are bad, but only there isn't to your taste. Now, in 780 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:38,559 general, I try and tell a sort of line of this. I think 781 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:43,559 it's just about being a reasonable person, right in terms of how you want 782 00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,960 to come at things. Like what I mean by that is you can go, 783 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,360 oh yeah, I don't like this, but you know, maybe it's 784 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,000 just not for me or whatever, and you can recognize certain like oh yeah 785 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,679 for the demographic this is for for the person who this might chime with, 786 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:59,239 this is clearly well done or whatever. But this basically does come down to 787 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,480 the word objective in tandem with subjective art being an inherent cardtradiction doesn't Elliott, 788 00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:10,760 yes, I to the Patrid specials. If you need more, ye need 789 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,599 the whole thing, don't find it there. But somearis there is no such 790 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,840 thing as objectively woden it comes to art, and anyone who thinks there is 791 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:27,480 is an irredeemable fool. And the phrase I got issue is like something so 792 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,480 objectively good that you can't say it's bad. I mean, I have no 793 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:36,800 person I have no problem personally with saying that something that's widely beloved is rubbish, 794 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,079 because if you don't like it. That's essentially the same thing like if 795 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:45,880 someone goes someone came to me, and when I know Sergeant Peppers is a 796 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,119 shit album, I'd hope that I'm not so like arrogant and insecure that I 797 00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,360 need them to quantify that with a bunch of Oh. But I don't really 798 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,559 like the Beatles. It's not really my sort of thing. But I appreciate 799 00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:58,360 that it's actually really good. I just don't understand it. It's not for 800 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,960 me, but it's not. It's just not for me because you you know, 801 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,480 other people might have a better grip it, like just just have a 802 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,679 normal conversation in it. I think if someone says I think this album's rubbish, 803 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,079 you know what they mean. You know, yeah, I think in 804 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:15,360 the in the context of reviewing something, I think it is helpful to go 805 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,159 I don't really like this kind of thing. I obviously think it's bad, 806 00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:21,559 but I'm not the best judge of it in the way that like, you 807 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,079 know, if I didn't like coffee, I wouldn't go and be a coffee 808 00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:27,800 taste and just go like all day. That would be a waste of time 809 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:34,239 and no use to anyone. But in just in just general chats. I 810 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,760 don't know why we have this whole like court of law thing where it's like 811 00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:45,000 you have to admit it's good even if you don't like it. What I 812 00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:47,559 mean, Yeah, again, there are things that I will like, so 813 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,960 like, I don't like it, but I can I can respect you know, 814 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,280 it's important. Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm also like, I'm 815 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,239 not going to still pretend that I think I have to, you know, 816 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,519 admit that I'm wrong for thinking it's a pilot toss. Yeah, it comes 817 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:07,199 down to a weird sort of a fluctuation in language, I suppose, where 818 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:15,000 people assume there has to be some kind of like outright objective truth in a 819 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:19,840 statement on a piece of art that's never going to happen, you know. 820 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,880 Like and like I said, it's about just for me, the way I 821 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,519 come out it is is about just sort of being level headed and reasonable. 822 00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:30,079 If I commit to saying something is rubbish, it's because I think it's rubbish, 823 00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:31,800 right, But there are things like I said, where I go, 824 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,880 oh, you know, I as you say, Elliott, this isn't in 825 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,679 my wheelhouse or whatever. But clearly there are things about it. I can 826 00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:42,559 see how it would connect with someone and I don't have to be a dickhead 827 00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,880 about that. I don't have to come out and be in the most like, 828 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,280 oh you are you are wrong and if you fucking think that this this 829 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,199 thing is bad is good even that I think is bad. But I don't 830 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:59,239 know why there is this sort of like I completely I didn't even thought about 831 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,599 it in so heavily away, But when we've had the AA said awf for 832 00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:05,440 discussion. You're right. The court of law thing of like you can just 833 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:12,119 say you think something's bad and people know that it's an opinion because because that's 834 00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,880 what an opinion is. There's this weird like you have to distinguish opinions from 835 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,760 facts that feels like it should just be a given based on the fact that 836 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,199 you personally are saying it. It's just a really fucking bizarre thing. So 837 00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:28,840 it's just for me. A big part of it is the arrogance of the 838 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,199 people saying that. Is if I say, oh, that album's rubbish and 839 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,320 they go, no, it's objectively good, it's like, oh, so 840 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,039 I'm glad I checked, like, yes, it was rubbish. And if 841 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:38,880 I go on the record saying again, I don't believe this, But I'm 842 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,280 just using an example of like a really beloved album. If I was to 843 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,119 say on the record, okay, computer is shit, right, that doesn't 844 00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:53,199 change history, That doesn't make it means you think that's that's not a that's 845 00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,639 not a jury decision, right, there's not a verdict being passed here, 846 00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,400 and we lock it away for eternity. That's just really, I don't need 847 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,159 a right to reply. Yeah, there's just it's some guy the said a 848 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,639 thing that you know is an opinion. I get like, that's not my 849 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,440 opinion. I'll just use that as an example. But it's just it's a 850 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,679 weird fucking basically, you know, there are there are records where you can 851 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,519 recognize, oh, yes, this is well played, this is well composed, 852 00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:19,960 the yadda yadder, But an opinions an opinion, and you can say 853 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000 it without having to, fucking I don't know, jump through eighteen hoops every 854 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,760 time you fucking do it. It's just nonsense. And then Jack Cousins asks 855 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,760 genuine question, do you agree that Busted are better than ninety percent of pop 856 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,440 punk bands? And yes, I can't as a pop punk band. Here 857 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,519 is the thing with this, I don't know why we need Busted to be 858 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:40,480 a pop punk band. You can just enjoy them as being a pop band. 859 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,199 There's no punking it. It's it's it's insecurity of like not being able 860 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,280 to pop music. But no Busted arm better than nine cent pop punk. 861 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,159 Be well, I mean, I pick a figure, but is Busted like 862 00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:57,280 a really good like great Sis calog E actually got a good album. Yeah, 863 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,719 there is material and those records. That is like again, I used 864 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,480 to love Busted when I was like six years old. I don't listen to 865 00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,360 anymore because I'm an adult and it feels like music again. I don't mean 866 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,199 this is to mean anyone who does still love them, That's fine. You 867 00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:12,280 can be nostalgic about it whatever. You can love those songs. But for 868 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,480 me, when I listened to my go okay, this is music meant for 869 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:16,880 children. I have grown past this. I don't need it. I don't 870 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,440 need to play with you anymore. But that you can still just enjoy them 871 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,400 as a Oh yeah, that that's a band who wrote a catalog of as 872 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,559 you say, sam greatest hits, pop songs or whatever. But I don't 873 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,519 know why, I'll say I know there is there is a lineage of like 874 00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:37,760 maybe people who got into Busted then grew slightly older and found out about blinkin 875 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,599 Ay two and YadA YadA. That is the timeline that is like, we 876 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,239 don't we don't review their albums. You know, it's because I don't think 877 00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:49,119 they're that fucking relevant to our interests, I think. But a big part 878 00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:53,039 of this comes down to most modern pop punk is absolutely god is a job 879 00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:57,079 that is in the absolute pits right now, which is where the point that 880 00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,880 Blink when to releasing two pretty good songs. I guess last week good everyone 881 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:06,760 throffing the mouth saying pop punk has been saved, but because like sta like 882 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,400 all rappling away two songs are a revelation for the genre right now, because 883 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,760 that's how bad it is. And I then that's why a lot of people 884 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,679 are super nostalgic for Busted, because pop punk and any of that sort of 885 00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:20,960 thing is so bad that you can kind of Beanis says like, oh, 886 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,440 but this is what it was good, and I'm just like, yeah, 887 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,159 I just I don't know when it happened where we live in the world where 888 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,960 pop punk is somehow more mature and credible than pop But if I was Busted, 889 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,320 I'd rather be a pop band. I mean, in terms of public 890 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,320 perception, it's a strange thing to be like, all right, listen, 891 00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,000 guys, you are a great pop band. If you get even better, 892 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:44,760 you can graduate to pop punk. It's like, what, that's the hierarchy. 893 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:45,639 That's the way we're going. Like, like, you say, why 894 00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:52,760 do we need Busted to be in pop punk? Yeah? I agree with 895 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,800 that. It tells again this this question. I mean, if you're gonna 896 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,679 be really like literal about it, they are better than ninety percent of pop 897 00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:04,519 punk because, like most, ninety percent of anything is going to be subpar, 898 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,880 right, because it's just average. They do have a they said they 899 00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:14,280 wrote in their prime. They probably wasn't they wrote it was it. But 900 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,400 you know, Busted have a collection of songs that are catchier, more memorable. 901 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,400 They are. Yeah, they are more hard hitting in the memory pop 902 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,519 hits than the vast majority of pop punk bands have. I don't take them 903 00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:31,719 more seriously than I do most pop punk bands who actually mattered, right, 904 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,280 like pop punk bands who we have in the lineage of good ones, I 905 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,039 probably don't care about listening to Busted, or am I going to pick listening 906 00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:44,519 to Yellow Card, I'm going to reach the yellow card every time. I'm 907 00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:45,679 sure when that's one thing that maybe someone would agree with, but you know, 908 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,760 you might say and they fucking if you want to throw no effects in 909 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,199 the equation or anything like that. I don't know, but yeah, I 910 00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:53,320 just I just feel like it's a thing where it's busted. You know, 911 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,079 they have a collection of nostalgic hits that are I'm sure people love and I 912 00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:59,920 don't but gross people loving it at all? You know, go while, 913 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,639 But I don't know why we need to constantly drag rock musick to out and 914 01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:13,440 by forts busted into the equation basically ejectively bad yes and for disagreeing. Okay. 915 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,239 Usually at this point we would plug the Patreon with a new album club 916 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:20,320 pack that we've just recorded prior to doing this. If you heard last week's 917 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,599 show announcement, then you would know that this time it's actually going everywhere because 918 01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,920 we have teamed up with the folks at Down Nations Festival, who bring you 919 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,960 a album club slash preview show I guess of some of the special album sets 920 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,400 that they have coming up at this year's event. To avoid confusing your podcast 921 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,400 feeds. With that being the case, with two episodes on the same day. 922 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,039 I'll put that up in a couple of days time, but we have 923 01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:40,880 just recorded it. And guys, even if you're not going to Downation or 924 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,920 have no intention of doing so, this is a still sick bunch of albums 925 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,519 that we have that we've got to go in on. Some have been album 926 01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:51,880 clubs in waiting for Ages, both from the you know, the underground and 927 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:57,679 the relative mainstream of metal. What treats I mean, like I said, 928 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,800 a total revelation for me of a band. I've been aware of their importance, 929 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,559 but actually finally seeing them and listening to what you would reckonize their masterpiece 930 01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:07,960 has just been like, holy fucking shit, this is one of the greatest 931 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,800 extreme metal albums ever. Yeah, and we finally spoke about the oncoming storm 932 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:15,079 and people want us do that. Forages a bit of a detox after last 933 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:22,119 month's Attila Slushbox twenty debarkle like funny it's called Acacoca and Dead Guy a detox 934 01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,800 after anything, But yeah, I've gone from like super excited for the first 935 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,039 of all to like looking at the calendar now just and the fact that like 936 01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:35,800 there's still other things to go for. It's just the best. Yeah, 937 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,679 so very much you get so that'll becoming a couple of days time. Do 938 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,480 check it out, even if you're not a damnation go It's some great fucking 939 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,960 records. And like Elliott said, with last month being very about something else, 940 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,679 next month we'll swing around to get to something else again. That's how 941 01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:52,320 we do it. So that's that's that's what's going on. You guys who 942 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,840 are signed up at the Patreon, we have not forgotten about you. We 943 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,519 do appreciate your continued generosity. Next up is indeed the continuation of a relatant 944 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:04,079 Chains special. You've had a few weeks to digest part one with those monumental 945 01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:07,239 records in that first part, But this time we are going to close up 946 01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:09,519 the lane s daily years and we're going to hit even more all time high 947 01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:13,519 watermarks, like the amount of messages that we got after the first part going 948 01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:15,800 like yeah, Dirt is good and all, but I can't wait till you 949 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,639 get to Alison Chain's unplugs like that is all coming. If you want to 950 01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:22,159 check out just the Dirt discussion to see if you want to get in you 951 01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:25,239 know further, you can find that on the Abastment on YouTube channel and there 952 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,039 will be several more hours of AIIC coming at you at patron com slash. 953 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:35,920 That's not matter. Let's close this extended hyper Blasts with an extended album list 954 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:42,400 because it is the This is probably the biggest pairing of like Busy Weeks in 955 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,320 the calendar all year. And it's combined with the fact that last we didn't 956 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,280 have a hyper blast because we did our review show. We saw we got 957 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,239 a few things left over from last week that we didn't talk about. Let's 958 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:53,519 dive into all of this. First up, the one you are all waiting 959 01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:57,400 for. I'm sure last week we did not talk about, I'm sorry, 960 01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:04,559 the release from Samurai Pizza Cats and their new album You're Helcome, Sam Do 961 01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:07,320 you know what I'm talking about? As this bypassed you, I've heard the 962 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,880 name. I definitely rememb about them, and I think I've blocked out to 963 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,599 see some red Pizzacats and just got it's it's I believe an electric coolboy sort 964 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:22,760 of side thing. There are some members that's involved. Your Helcome is certainly 965 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,719 a title. Let's move on. Half a Coward released an album called This 966 01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:30,559 Place Brings Only death Half a Coward. It feels like, I don't know 967 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:37,400 there was there's been less buzz around this for want of a better word. 968 01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:42,000 The last you know, Half a Coward seemed to have sort of moved into 969 01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:45,199 a point of being, I don't know, like kind of continuing to do 970 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:50,639 a thing that's maybe gone slightly out of fashion. That they are a you 971 01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:54,639 know, a tech Fest mainstay, and that I know tech Fest isn't actually 972 01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:59,519 thing anymore, but that's the kind of position they they landed in and they 973 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,480 carry on doing that. Yeah, I wish them well, and I'm sure 974 01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:03,760 this record has you know, if you if you are heart of a Coward 975 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,880 lifer, I'm sure it will hit that same spot for you. This is 976 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,119 a record that did get a decent bit of praise. Guilt Trip a Uk 977 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,880 I think kind of crossover thrash hardcore band. I've seen them alive a couple 978 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,159 of times. They released a recordord Severance, that definitely got some tongues wagging 979 01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:24,519 for just pure riff power. Elsewhere we got Three Teeth and Endex kind of 980 01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:28,800 industrial metal, sort of modern mainstays at this point, Ken Mode reason now 981 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,920 I'm called void and I had to be like Oh my god. I can't 982 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,440 believe it's so soon again because they at leased one last year. But I 983 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,000 guess that these two records are. I think the first one was called Null, 984 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:39,840 So it's sort of a pairing of existential crisis records, as you can 985 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,400 imagine from a noise rock band like them. This one I completely didn't know 986 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,880 about. Killed Devil Hill came back last week. Did you have this, 987 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,079 Elliott? They've got a record Seeds of Oblivion Killed Devil hillback. I'm assaulted 988 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:55,559 as you asked me that, because I remember you bringing them up before. 989 01:04:55,559 --> 01:05:00,400 I was like, I remember that. Oh god, you've just referred Pan 990 01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:05,000 Terror in air quotes. It's a good time to bring back my side project 991 01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:09,960 that no one likes. Yeah, but they've got a record out also in 992 01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,079 alternative rock stuff. It was a decent week last week because we had a 993 01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:17,079 Pew Pew Pew p PQ with Sick Days. That's a band too have sort 994 01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,920 of become, you know, fairly well liked that sort of Menzingery sort of 995 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,760 realm, and then similarly also had a black band I believe I've seen supporting 996 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:30,559 the Menzingers sincere Engineer Police record called Cheap grills, moving completely the other direction 997 01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:34,760 in the extreme area Profanatica. We're back with a record called Crux Simplex, 998 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,599 the fucking grottiest black metal band in the world, the funniest man in black 999 01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:43,360 metal if you ever read anything about him. I was pissing myself over the 1000 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,280 censoring on the Spotify version of this album cover where it just does the tiniest 1001 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,920 little portion of a crotch and just leaves everything else completely on the show, 1002 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:57,559 because that really makes a difference. We also have a final Gasp, Morning 1003 01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:00,079 Moon and Silence in the Snow ghost Ie Is I'm not talking about the Trivium 1004 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,760 album for once. Both of those are kind of in a post punky sort 1005 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,480 of realm. And then we also had this is actually pretty cool. There's 1006 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:10,400 an EP from a band called Morning called Hive of Resentment, and it's kind 1007 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,840 of spin kick black metal is about the only way I can just describe it. 1008 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,400 It's it's like a kind of it's like, you know, a crossover 1009 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,440 hardcorey thing like you can imagine bands like maybe Gilt Trip doing, but we're 1010 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,760 full of like icy black metal rifts. It's pretty cool, and literally the 1011 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,480 last track on it's like three tracks The last track is a dungeon stints outro 1012 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,679 like brilliant. Yes, more and more of that. Let's move on two 1013 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,480 this week, which I think is I'm going to say, the biggest fucking 1014 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:39,320 week in the heavy music calendar this year. We did review last week the 1015 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,760 new Blood command Alb, which is out today. It's called Word Domination. 1016 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,840 It's fucking mental, it's so so erratic. I think people are gonna have 1017 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,119 a lot of fun with it if they just go with that kind of spirit. 1018 01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:51,840 I'm intrigue definitely to hear what people make of it. Now they can 1019 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:57,079 hear it elsewhere. There's a bat called Code Orange who have released an album 1020 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,239 that's called The Above that's out and speaking of fucking you know, throwing you 1021 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,079 for a loop, there's gonna be this is gonna get tongues wagging. This 1022 01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:08,239 is gonna split people. This album. I've had a week of it and 1023 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,119 I'm just there's there's gonna be a lot of that. We will talk about 1024 01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:15,079 it further elsewhere, but yeah, fucking hell, big day. We've also 1025 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:18,159 got similarly, you know, there their peers in the kind of hardcore world. 1026 01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:23,519 Harm's Way came back after a fairly decent Absence with a record called Comments 1027 01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:26,400 Suffering. That is one that we are going to talk about as well, 1028 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,559 following up more in that kind of vein Coyo. This is about that you 1029 01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:36,000 quite like Sam right, Yeah, nice melodic melodic hardcore slightly like they kind 1030 01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:40,599 of tread the line between melodic hardcoren pop punk like quite nicely. But they're 1031 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,079 really cool. Yeah, And their record is called would You Miss It? 1032 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,440 And then we also have Grove Streets formally Grove Street Families, a band here 1033 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,360 whose record is called The Path to Righteousness. Let's spin over to something that 1034 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,960 I will I mean, I have been, but I will continue to be 1035 01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,480 spinning very heavily. The new Primordial album is called How It Ends Imordial. 1036 01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:02,519 I know they're not they're not a big name for this podcast necessarily, but 1037 01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:05,440 they are like probably my second favorite band of all times. So this is 1038 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,960 obviously a big old one for me that I'm going to be going with. 1039 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,639 And and the other one that I'm really excited about is a new record from 1040 01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:14,960 Maggot Heart. It's called Hunger. This band are brilliant. They are a 1041 01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:19,880 super fucking jagged, eclectic, weird, inventive kind of metallic post punk band, 1042 01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:24,760 I guess is what you would call them. I loved their last record, 1043 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,960 so I'm really excited to actually check out this one tomorrow. Blackstone Sherry 1044 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,760 got a record called I Love the Pivots. We can do with this screaming 1045 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,520 at the Sky is. There's Stephen Wilson. His new solo record that we 1046 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,159 spoke about, the announced a few weeks ago, actually is out. It's 1047 01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:44,079 called the Harmony Codex gun Ship. Speaking of busts, actually wasn't one of 1048 01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:46,520 busted in or am I thinking of like Fight Start? I think it's fight 1049 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,880 Star. That's what I'm think that getting the one of fight Star, who 1050 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:55,119 wasn't Charlie Simpson Gunship Since by act they've got a new record and they've been 1051 01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:57,720 releasing loads of singles off it that have like guests on them. The unfortunately 1052 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,399 one I can remember is Milky from Orgasm is on it. I'm sure there 1053 01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:02,720 are other people as well who are on their their records called Unicorn, kk's 1054 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:09,399 Priest Leave Sinner Rides again, featuring such hits as One More Shot at Glory 1055 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,840 that is out. You can go and listen to it and enjoy a stuttering 1056 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:17,800 picture of a van on a screen more like hard rock stuff, Graveyard like 1057 01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:21,000 everyone that kind of like Swedish retro rock thing. They've been a fairly reliable 1058 01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:24,840 band in that realm. They've got a record six I haven't kept up, 1059 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:29,319 but I'm presuming it if they're sixth one as in Hell. This was Michael 1060 01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,199 from Volbeat's death metal band that he announced a little while ago. That record 1061 01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:34,359 is out today. If you want to hear what he's getting up to it 1062 01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:41,720 that it's called imp Horror Novosa jail Break. That is at least South American 1063 01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:45,000 thrash sixty eight with their record. Yes, and Dot Dot Dot, isn't 1064 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:50,760 that Josh? It's yeah, Norma Jeane the Chariots. It's gonna like garage 1065 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,880 rock two pieces. Yeah, And I think you can tell from that whether 1066 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,520 that's going to be you or not. Great band name here, Filth is 1067 01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,319 Eternal. Their record find Out I quite enjoyed. If I remember greatly this 1068 01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,800 band's previous record, you can imagine that's kind of a hardcore, grindy, 1069 01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:10,640 sludgy sort of affair. Let's keep going some. I think there's on twenty 1070 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,239 bucks spin, so if you're into extreme stuff, you'll probably go over there. 1071 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,520 Ruined Lust Dissimulant one. I actually a few here, but I am 1072 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,439 again quite excited to actually check out. There's a man called Moonlight Sorcery whose 1073 01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:26,760 record is called Horned Lord of the Fawnered Castle. Again you know from that 1074 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,720 whether you like it or not, but genuine I think it's their first full 1075 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,439 length. They had like two really good EPs and this is the full length. 1076 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:34,479 You know, it's blue cover black metal. You know what I mean 1077 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,560 by that. It's fucking hyper melodic, you know, Swedish style. But 1078 01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:42,119 there's an amazing guitar playing in this band that genuinely sounds like quite a lot 1079 01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:45,319 of Children of Bodham influence. So if you feel like, if you you 1080 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,720 want to hear something that's maybe a bit dissectiony but has those crazy sort of 1081 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:54,479 guitar acrobatics, I do recommend the new Moonlight Sorcery record. Also WHOA as 1082 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,640 in like misery as opposed to WHOA long running USBM bats. I've actually been 1083 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,319 listening to a decent out of Woe in the kind of week running up to 1084 01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:04,800 this. Forgetting There had an album coming out, so that's perfect timing for 1085 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:10,760 me. The records called Legacy of Frailty. We've got Is Scandia and Spirit 1086 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,880 of Silvestris more on that front. And finally, we have an ep out 1087 01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:17,600 from only one of the best fucking most beloved extreme metal bands in the world. 1088 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,199 Wolves in the Throne have an ep out called Crypto Ancestral Knowledge, which 1089 01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:24,199 is like a bit of a coda to their last full length record, which 1090 01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:27,560 was fucking brilliant. Oh my god, WHOA what a couple of weeks. 1091 01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,439 There are some albums in that batch that you may have noticed. We're not 1092 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,439 included in our September episode. That would be very weird to not touch on. 1093 01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:36,680 October has its own fucking busy lineup, but we are, in fact, 1094 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,760 as well as the ads and Chain special, we are going to be 1095 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,399 dusting off the Hyperblast Reviews episodes as well, and next week's episode here on 1096 01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,840 Friday. It's going to take some you know, particularly continually evolving hardcore bands, 1097 01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:51,960 maybe x hardcore at this point, who knows. Under the ninth. 1098 01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:57,159 Thanks you so much for listening. Get in on all the album clubs that 1099 01:11:57,159 --> 01:11:59,880 are coming here in a couple of days time, Completely on us and we 1100 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:00,560 will see you soon. But I