Meanwhile, we just have eight million people pour across our border illegally and we
have no idea who these people are. And they're not watching them. No,
nobody's watching them. Is Donald Trump running the police agencies of the government?
Answer? No, he wasn't even doing it in his own presidency.
The police agencies of the government were after him in his own term. Welcome
to another deep dive edition of the Chicks on the Right podcast. We are
so excited because we have our old friend, old dear friend, not that
you're old, but like one of our old dear friends with us today,
Denesse DESUSA filmmaker extraordinary, and he is back to talk about his latest film,
Police State with us, and we're super excited. We both obviously watched
the film and we're like, I got to say, very very depressed by
it. But before we like sort of really jump start and get into all
the nitty gritty about the film, we wanted you to have an opportunity to
tell our audience how they can see it, because apparently there's some ways that
you had tried to make it viewable for people that are no longer available to
them. Tell us about that. Well, I'm finding that the level of
intolerance in the society is rising. And so, for example, my earlier
films, you could buy DVDs at Amazon or Walmart, pretty standard stuff.
Walmart even started out as a conservative company out of Ventonville, Arkansas. But
what's happened is that you've got a lot of leftists who have now infiltrated these
companies and they're involved in the purchasing process, and so they just block you.
It's not that they give you a reason. They don't say, oh,
you know, the film is a band topic, because it isn't.
They don't say, oh, there's been a fact check that exposes the film
as having all these errors. There's been nothing like that. They've been a
couple of left wing critiques of the film, but they haven't said anything in
the film is inaccurate. So there is no rationale at all. But what
they're basically saying is we're doing it because we can. And so as a
result, we are selling our DVDs through Shopify, also through Salem which is
Salem Now. And the one stop shop to stream the movie or get DVDs
is police statefilm dot net, So not dot com, police statefilm dot Net.
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lot, not a lot, but just basically what the film is about.
I mean a lot of like the different just the different topics. My god,
this like every time I see one of your films, I think this
is the best film that he's done, and then the next one that I
see, I'm like, well, this is the best one that he's done,
And like, this is definitely the best one I think that you've done.
Because I was riveted the whole time. I was also I have to
admit a little depressed. I walked away and I was like, I'm kind
of sad at the state. I mean, I'm sure that wasn't your intent,
but I was. But I did walk away thinking what am I going
to do? Because this country is in such trouble, and you know,
we have children, and I think the state of our country is in such
peril. I worry so much every day for all of my children and how
are we going to turn this ship around? And it's just we are in
such a state to Nash that I just guys, as we're speaking, the
FBI is conducting a man hunt in which they are they have helicopters, they
have armored vehicles, they are coal me the rural areas of New Jersey to
find what a serial killer, a terrorist, no, a guy who pemper
sprayed the cops on January sixth of twenty twenty one. This guy, apparently
the cops were like, you know, raining blows down on the protest,
or is this guy almost instinctively whips out his pepper spray and blasphem? Okay,
fine, you know, there's a process to go through, but they're
treating this as if it's some kind of a as I say, a man
hunt. The media has been notified. It's an ongoing news story. This
is just this is really police state stuff, because you and I know there's
rampant criminality in a major cities. There are people being assaulted, murdered,
drive by shootings, no problem. The FBI is completely indifferent to all that
anarchy. And meanwhile, this is what they spend their time on. Gosh,
So do you do when you went into make this film? Were you
were you making it hoping that you would find perhaps that it didn't need to
be made, or were you like surprised even to discover how bad it's gotten.
I'm curious, you know, because obviously you thought, well, there's
there's a reason to make this now. But you interviewed so many people.
Jim Jordan was in there, Dan Bongino, so many people were in the
film. Did you feel like you came out of it like, wow,
this is way worse than I thought? Or was it as bad as you
expected. It's more that I noticed that a lot of really bad things were
happening, but they were happening in isolation. Digital censorship over here, political
targeting over there, the Trump cases over here, January sixth, over there,
And I thought to myself, all of this is part of a single
narrative, and that is that it is we are seeing a police state in
the process of formation. Now it's not a full fledged police state. If
it were, I grant that I couldn't have made the movie people aren't allowed
to make. Movie is called police state. In a police state, but
in a police state that's not fully there, you still have that kind of
margin of freedom. And so I was like, I need to make this
movie as a warning. Now. I said to myself, I want to
have two kinds of guys in this movie. One people who are whistleblowers and
foremants, people who know the origins, the genealogy, the architecture, the
structure of this police state, how it actually works. And then the second
type of guy one in the movie is ordinary people who are kind of going
about their life and in some cases they're just involved in some civic activity,
Moms who are upset about what their kids are learning in school, and then
bam, they come face to face with the police state. And so as
a result, the movie has a lot of revelations about how this started,
how it's organized, who's in charge of it, and then it also has
kind of detailed profiles of normal Americans who find what Orwell calls the boot stamping
on the human So I knew this was going to be a little bit of
an unnerving movie. But I said, you know, I'm a little bit
like the animal and the herd and the fellow antelopes, so like grazing really
lazily, and I see like a predator behind the bush. So I have
to issue a warning. We can get out of this, but only if
we recognize the gravity of the situation. So it's necessary. I think it's
necessary. And I was just going to say, and I think it's it
was imperative that you did include the normal people because that's who spoke to me
the most, especially like the moms that you had in there, because the
moms with the school board, especially during the stuff with COVID and everything.
Because I thought to myself, those women are me. I mean, that
is me. And when she said, you know, there was a woman
that you interviewed in the movie, and she was like that you're next.
You could be next. If they could. If the FBI can can tear
down my door and come in and question me and do the things they did
to me, they can do it to you, and I thought, oh
my god, you know you're right. They could to that to me,
They could do it to anybody. And I think it's the ordinary people,
that's what the regular, everyday people, that's what struck me the most,
because I think a lot of people in this country think to themselves, oh,
well, that happens to other people. That happens to the important people,
the elitist, it won't happen to me. But it is happening to
everyday people. And I think that's what's so alarming. Yeah, and also
alarming. And this is kind of a subtle dimension in the film, but
it's very much there. There are ordinary people who are at the FBI,
and they are ordinary people who are in the DHS. So ordinary people are
doing censorship, doing political targeting. It's an ordinary guy who's somehow convinced to
go into the apartment of a seventy year old grandmother and like pull her hair
to the ground and twist her arms behind her back and pull her down the
stairs as she resists, and sometimes the anchor to the street they've helpfully tipped
off the media so they can humiliate her on the news. So I ask
myself in making this film like, how do you get a decent person to
do something so vile and indecent? And the answer is really that what the
government does, what the police day does, is they never tell you the
ultimate goal. Hey, we're trying to crush the spirit of this maga grandmother.
No, they don't say that. They just go listen, we have
an arrest and this person is targeted for a rest and we like to use
the shock and awe so that we surprised them in the morning they can't go
for their gun, not that some seventy old grandmama is going to go for
a gun. So they operationalize the procedure and they make it sound like to
be successful. We want no resistance. We want this to be conducted very
efficiently. And if you do, you're a good FBI man. You are
one of the boys. You can feel like you're on the inside track for
a promotion. There could be a bonus at the end of the year.
You're going to retire with a nice pension. So all of these very mundane
human motives am mobilized by the police DAI to produce some pretty horrific actions.
So how do you at the end, you know when it sort of all
culminates and you talk about the fact that listen, we're you know, we
haven't crossed that red line yet, we need to work together to make sure
that we don't. What what would you tell people that see your movie?
Because I got to say when at the end of it, I was just
like, well, that feels super hopeless. How do you how do you
motivate people or what can people do to actually combat this because it does seem
to be happening at this really rapid pace and it's startling, like how quickly
our country is changing. So what would you tell people that they can do
or how they can take action? The two most important things that you could
do. There are some individual things you can do, but like a lot
of times, you're dealing with a problem, and this was just as true
of like election fraud. There's some things you can do. You can sign
up to be a pole watcher, you can sign up to be a pole
observer, so you doing your part. But we also need to have institutional,
legislative policy type of solutions. So for example, censorship is going to
have to be stopped by the court. Now there's a big Supreme Court case
coming up next spring I'm actually pretty hopeful they will do that. They will
administer a dropkick to this kind of systematic censorship that the government is actively involved
in. Some of the censorship will continue, but it's they're just going to
withdraw the government's grubby hands from it, and that alone will be will be
progress. I think one of the things that people can do is stiffen the
spine of the Republican Party, because the Republican Party is the party that stands
in the way of the police date. Now, some of them are a
little bit in with the police date, I grant that, but by and
large the Republicans aren't doing it, except that they found a kind of drinking
spot, if you will, in the swamp, and so as a result
they're like, Okay, fine, while I'm here, I might as well
take a sip. But mostly it's fear. They're afraid that they will be
targeted, They're afraid of the media. So so taking the invertebrates in the
Republican Party and saying, guys, you actually have the power to stop a
lot of this if you will only take collective joint action to do that,
and then you know what a lot of it is spreading the word about the
film, because look, people are like, well, I you know,
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already done it. I've created it. I've put a story together, you
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Then you're like, wow, that's really what it was like. And so
a film can bring it home to you in not only an intellectual but an
emotional way. So that's been done. But the Left is blocking us in
all kinds of ways. And so the more that you can be as sort
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this film, like a whole lot. And plus I would add to that
our Second Amendment rights or don't ever give those up. That is also something
that we can do because a disarmed population is what they want and if they
get that, then we are screwed. But that's when we are really screwed.
And that was something that you really touched on at the end of the
film too, And that's something that I think that they're pushing for. Democrats
are constantly pushing for that, and we cannot allow that to happen. That
was eye opening for me because you know, I come from a country where
you actually don't have guns, India, and so I always thought that the
real reason and to have a gun is not because of what the founders said,
which is the danger of tyranny. But it's like, you know,
if someone wants to do a home invasion on you, you can call the
cops, but most likely the cops aren't going to get there right away,
so you need to have some way in the meantime to defend yourself. But
interestingly, as I began to study the degree to which you have government encroachment
on our liberties, the wisdom of the Founders and thinking about arming the citizens
as a precaution against tyranny becomes much more real for me. Yeah, absolutely,
so, it was I'm sorry, I was just going to say that
there was I can't remember if it was it was Daily Beast or Mother Jones.
I was looking at your detractors because I'm always interested after I see a
movie like yours, where I'm really you know, it's compelling to me and
I'm impacted by it, I want to see, well, what are the
ridiculous people saying out there? And I had to laugh that whichever I think
it was, Mother Jones. The article said, well, he didn't even
really tell on the actual police state, which is represented best by Breonna Taylor
and George Floyd, And I was like, oh, my lord, goodness,
these people don't even know the definition of police state. And I could
not believe that that was the criticism. But At the same time, I
was like, this is all they have. Are you hearing from people on
the left that are at least at starting to feel some of the concern because
this affects all of us. Yeah, now, the pundits on the left,
they have a line, and in fact, the line is in the
movie where I say that you know, some of these guys when you talk
to them, they're like, oh, yeah, Danish, there is a
police state and it's its symbol is Donald Trump. He is the one who
is like unleashing the police agencies of the government. And of course says you
know, this is addressed in the film. I go, wait a minute,
yes, it is true that by and large, I there's a police
state. The guys who are in control of those police agencies, they're the
ones running the police state. So just ask yourself an honest question, whatever
politics, is Donald Trump running the police agencies of the government? Answer?
No, he wasn't even doing it in his own presidency. The police agencies
of the government were after him in his own term. And so I have
the line in the film. I go, yeah, he's not running the
police agencies, he's running away from them. They're all after him. They've
got like ninety plus charges on him, So right away that you see somebody
else is running the police date. Now a fascinating question also mentioned in the
movie, is you know, by and large, in police states, you
have a kind of a grand leader, a great dictator, a face of
the police state. It's it's g in China, you know, it's the
Mallahs in Iran, it's it's Castro in Cuba. So who is running our
police state? And here it gives you pause because you realize we're in a
very bizarre situation. We have a president, but this is the president who
says things like they told me I couldn't say that I'm on his schedule,
you know, or where do I exit stage? So you've got a guy
who's like in the canoe, but he's obviously not steering the canoe. But
that brings an even more disturbing question, well, like who's running the country.
What's the home that is actually whispering into the ear of Joe Biden.
Yeah, I think the word the word used was opaque. It's very opaque.
Our government right now, our leadership right now, is very opaque.
And then, of course, you know, we always you know, ponder
like it's well, we just I think a lot of people do. People
just wonder it's it's Obama behind the scenes, you know, pulling the strings.
There's somebody, there's somebody else. We all know it's not Biden.
He doesn't have the mental capacity to do it. So there's somebody else or
a team of people that are probably doing that. And so it's you're right,
it's people wonder who it is and what plan they have and what this
like great reset means and all of the stuff, you know, behind the
scenes that's going step back and take the big picture in for a second.
You know, like what's the police state? What is the meaning of a
police date? Well you can answer that by looking at take them most egregious
examples we have abroad. If a police date China, North Korea, let's
say the old Soviet Union. So what do those countries have in common.
Well, they have mass surveillance of citizens. They have systematic censorship, they
have ideological indoctrination and propaganda in the schools and the media. They have criminalization
of political differences. They try to lock up the opposition leader, they go
after religious liberty, they have political prisoners. So wow, kind of go
down that checklist and ask how many of those like eight things do we see
in America? Almost all of them? Yeah, and to one degree or
another. And that's why this is a very legitimate topic. And in fact,
even the left is reluctant to say, no, this is not a
legitimate issue because there's been a ras Musen survey and I got to be full
disclosure. I put them up to it. I'm like, you know what,
ask the American people what they think about this, and Rasmusen did and
two thirds of Americans are more, go, yeah, this is very alarming.
We are we do seem to be moving in the deafeni toward a police
state in the way that I just defined. Hmmm. Yeah, it's sad.
It's sad when with Seve, when we start getting compared to North Korea,
Like it's for real, when that you had that lovely lady that was
from North Korea, and when you start seeing your country, When I start
seeing America being compared North Korea, that's when I'm like, we've got to
do something. And it seems like such an obvious time for Republicans to make
some headwinds, you know, so like take on actually make some progress and
take more seats and win more elections, and we're seeing just the opposite.
What is is what do you make of that the Republican Party is in such
a mess? I mean, seventy Republicans seven zero in the House just voted
to give the FBI three hundred million dollars to build a spectacular new headquarters.
Now you can't set if you have any leverage over this agency where you say,
listen and guys, this is unacceptable. You cannot do this to American
citizens. And frankly, you're not going to get one dollar for your new
building. I remember the houses in charge of appropriations, they have the power
to stop this. And yet what is it but sending the FBI a message
of encouragement and this is Republicans. And who are the targets of the FBI?
Republicans Solicans. So you know, in some level I have to like
wring my hands and say, wow, it's almost like you want a police
date, and not you want a police date, you want to be the
immediate target of it. I mean, I cannot think of more masochistic behavior
by a party if you had an ounce of intelligence. So this is to
me perhaps the greatest frustration of all. Can we stop a police state?
Yes? Now, in the end you cannot stop it. In fact,
you're on me park. The North Korean refugee said. You know, when
the jaws of the police state are locked, then you can only run.
I mean, you can get out, try to get your family out,
you become a refugee. But in the meantime, there are many things we
can do, but the Republican Party is not doing let's just say, a
whole lot of them. And part of the point of this movie is,
yeah, it's to wake up the middle of the nesh We need your movies
to reach the middle, and I'm trying to do that. But this is
a case where I also want to stiffen the resolve. And part of the
way you do that is you show people that we're not in a normal state
of politics. Very abnormal things are happening in the country right now. I
mean, here's a small detail from the movie, and that is that right
now you have air marshals. These are guys who are deployed after nine to
eleven to stop terrorists of the kind who blew up the World Trade Center.
You have air marshals following Americans who happen to go to DC between January third
and January seventh of twenty twenty one, regardless of whether or not they went
into the Capitol. In fact, regardless that they went to the rally.
You could have been going to DC for like a realtor convention or because you're
a kid who's being reunited with your dad for the weekend. And right now,
two and a half years later, if you get on a plane to
go not just to DC anyway California, there's an air marshal flying with you
because you have been flagged as a potential domestic terrorist. Now do they really
think that this kid is a domestic terrorist? No, but they want the
kid's name in a list because then they can go to Congress and say,
we're following four thousand suspected domestic terrorists all around the country. You need to
give us all these appropriations because it's part of fighting the war on terror.
I mean, the whole thing is they could joke, but but one of
the things you notice in a police ate a combination of viciousness and just rabid
stupidity. Yeah, and meanwhile, meanwhile, we just had eight million people
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Security Advisor, days earlier, is giving a speech of how the Middle East
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do see the film. I hope that they get motivated by it, that
they get scared in order to do something, because I think that fear,
unfortunately is a motivating factor, and man, Republicans have a lot of work
to do. I saw on your Twitter page that you had similar sentiments about
the chairwoman of the GOP that we do, which is that she's utterly useless
at this point and just she's she's terrible for the party. I don't know
what we can do about it, but it's bad, right, I mean,
it'd be one thing, you know, you always know. Let's say,
say something terrible happens. You lose an election, you lose another election,
you lose another election, and then you see that the people in charge
are like, oh my gosh, this is a calamity. We have to
have a crisis team. But with Rona McDaniel, she sort of she's like,
she reminds me of like one of these Buddhist monks who's sitting like on
a sacred pillar, you know, and with this kind of a serene smile
on her face and her expression never changes. And I get no sense that
they're I think that's the Boatox. I think it's the Boutox, the next
Janesh. Yeah, it's true though she never nothing fazes her. It doesn't
matter how many people like Scott Presler, god bless him, who should run
the GOP. He's constantly pestering her about Here's what I'm doing to you know,
to rally up the vote. Here's what I'm doing to register people.
She ignores him completely, and I don't at some point like, how do
we impeach her out of this position? She's a responsive are what two hundred
and seventy or there's a whole bunch of members of the RNC that have the
complete power to remove her. But what's happened is, and this is part
of the way this corruption seeps in. What happens is that Ronald McDaniel controls
a lot of money, and so because she is the chair of the RNC,
so she has gained leverage over all these members by basically saying, if
you want money in your district for the election coming up, you have to
be on my good side. So, in essense, she owns them.
Even though they're elected at the local level and they know that their own constituents
don't want Ronald McDaniel, they are more beholden to her than they are to
them. It's a little bit lucky to get kiss the ring who has from
a rural district and he knows my rural district does not want us to send
tens of millions of dollars to Ukraine. But this guy also knows that Raytheon
and Boeing and these defense contractors which are getting hundreds of billions of dollars and
can finel large amounts of money to this guy's re election campaign, far more
than you know Joe or Tommy can give him twenty bucks or fifty bucks.
Which would you rather get Joe's twenty bucks or fifty bucks or Raytheon's two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars contribution to your reelection campaign? So now you know who
owns these guys. Yeah, right, absolutely, Deneesh, it's depressing as
hell and also awesome to talk to you again, Oh my gosh, totally.
And Pete, listen, people need to realize too that we have to
turn this around because at we're the last place. We're the last beacon on
the hill, right, I mean, we're the there is no place else
to go, So we can't we can't be like that sweet North Korean lady
that you interviewed, because there's we can't escape escape, Yeah, and she
knows we can't place else to go. So but however, the first place
to go this may come as a surprise to you, guys. Police statefilm
dot net. That's an excellent place to start. Go there. That is
the storyline. And look, there's people who watch the film they go,
I knew about this, I knew about that. But what we do is
we put it all together, make it make sense. And I got to
say, the recreations in the movie are really good. We hired a couple
of FBI consultants so we would get the language right, the weaponry right,
the whole staging of it right. I wanted people who are in the DOJ
to go to this film and go, wow, you know that's exactly how
that would have gone down. Hm. Wow, It's a really great film
people, for sure. Thank you so much for being with us. Don't
be a stranger. Let's have you back. What are you going to do
next? Or are we allowed to know? Isn't it cook up something for
next year? I don't know yet. I'm so focused on this has often
happens for a month or two. I'm hunkered down. But I'd love to
come back and talk some more about it when I'm ready with the next project.
Perfect. That would be great. It's great to see you. Thanks to us