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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. These guys a favorites, so

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me watching always keep it SQUATCHI And now

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your hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo
Fay. Hello, Squatch gatiers. This

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is Cliff from Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and usually Bobo. But Bobo is

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not here with us today because well
it's Bobo and that's how things go with

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him sometimes. You know, you
know, you've probably seen the you know,

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the Charlie Brown cartoon, like the
Peanuts cartoon. Right, Well,

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there's this character in there named Pigpen
and um, he's like the dirty kid.

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He walks around and there's a cloud
of filth that follows him around.

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And Bobo's kind of like that in
a lot of ways, but instead of

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filth because he has good hygiene,
et cetera, it's chaos, and chaos

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follows Bobo around like the filth follows
pig Pen. So and this is just

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one of those days when Bobo could
not outrun the chaos. There's computer issues,

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there's emails were since things were plugged
in, everything was going great,

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and dude, my computer I don't
know what it's dead, dude, I

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don't know what to do, and
you know, there's nothing we can do

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to talk him through that. But
anyway, sorry, it's just me today.

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But I'll try to make it up
to you. I'll talk. I'll

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talk like this sometimes maybe that'll help. I'm not sure if it will or

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not, though, So normally this
is the time of the podcast. I

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would ask Bobo, hey, dude, what's up man, what have you

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been up to? And he would
say, oh, I don't know,

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And then he'd asked me stuff,
and I talked about what I was doing

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big foot wise. So here we
go. Did a little follow up report

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this week on the whole river.
Um I got a well, actually,

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let me back up a little bit
further. Last Tuesday you may have caught

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it in the news, the Portland
Trailblazers introduced a new actually an old mascot.

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They reintroduced an old mascot, and
that mascot is, of course,

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Sasquatch. Apparently they already have another
mascot, something called Blaze. It looks

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it's a cougar or some sort of
wild cat. I'm not sure what that

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has to do with the Blazers Portland
Trail Lazers, but that's their mascot.

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But Blaze is still there. Blaze
has not gone anywhere. So if you're

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a diehard Portland Trailblazer fan, everything's
cool. Don't worry about it. They

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just added someone on. They added
I think Doug fur I think his name

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is or something to that, which
is also a club here in town where

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really great bands play on regular basis. Anyway, Yeah, so there's a

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new Bigfoot mascot in town here and
the North American big Foot Center in Miami.

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Museum there was invited to come participate
in the festivities at a Portland Trailblazer

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game. Pretty cool stuff. It
was a wonderful opportunity for us to get

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the word out about the museum because
all of us at the NABC are kind

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of surprised to some degree at least
because a lot of people come in the

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door and say, I didn't even
know you guys were here. How long

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have you been here? Now?
About three and a half years, No

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kidding, I just live right down
the street. Well that's on them,

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And I can understand how people in
Bin may not know about us because we're

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kind of outside of town, you
know, but right down the street like

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I don't know, we have signs
on the highway like I need to just

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not paying attention. But nonetheless,
so this is a wonderful opportunity for the

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NABC to kind of get the word
out. So basically, we had this

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booth right by a door, so
tons of people saw us coming in the

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door. We handed out thousands of
little flyers saying hey, we exist.

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We had a bunch of and they
exist, sasquatches exist too. And of

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course we had a bunch of casts
out and a bunch of people smiling faces,

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ready to talk Bigfoot with people.
It was a great event. It

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was a great event. It was
a lot of fun for me getting to

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see so many people, and several
of our members came out. Several of

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our podcast members came out and said
that they listened every week. So I'm

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looking at you. You know who
you are. If you were at the

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Blazer game, I'm talking about you. Thank you very much for coming by

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and say hi. A couple other
good things came out of it, A

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couple of sighting reports locally. Another
possible archive has come my direction. I'm

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trying to get in contact with these
people and speak to them about it.

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But some historic big footers, I
got a line on them, so I'm

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trying to track them down right now. I won't talk about who it is

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quite yet, but if I do
get ahold of the collection, I'll be

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sure to tell you all about it. And while we're out there doing our

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Portland Trailblazer gig that night, which
was great and everything. Oh, before

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I go onto this next thing,
that we got to show a commercial for

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the NABC on their jumbo tron,
I was told that people watching the game

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at home got to see some flashes
of the museum, which was pretty neat.

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There's a comedian named Ian Carmel.
I believe he is the chef correspondent

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on the Late Late Show. He
was there, did little bigfoot skits and

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whatever, took some pictures with him. He was a cool dude. Invited

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under the museum next time he's in
town. So yeah, yeah, good

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times for the NABC. I hope
you guys checked it out at home,

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And if you are a Trailblazer fan, I hope you were there at the

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game and you saw all this stuff. But while I was at the game,

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I got a text from a friend
of mine, A good friend of

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mine up on the Olympic Peninsula.
He's a tribal member. He's a whole

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tribal member. The reservations just south
of the whole river there. And one

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of his buddies apparently saw a sasquatch
on Tuesday, or so he thought,

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and maybe he did. I know, it was hard to say. I

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had a hard time getting a hold
of him. It took me until Thursday

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at three thirty to actually speak to
the witness. And once I found out

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where it was and what he saw
said, I decided I had to go

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up. So I threw them my
stuff in the car. I was up

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on the peninsula. I arrived up
in the area, camped on Forest Road

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twenty one about nine thirty ten thirty
at night. Next morning, I went

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out and checked out the area.
I don't know what he saw and what

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he observed. He was on his
lunch break and looking across the river.

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He saw what he thought was a
fisheries guy, you know, like a

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fisheries person. It wasn't really tall
or anything, but it's very, very

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bulky, so it's okay, that
must be a fishery person. The person

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walked into the water and then sat
down, and he thought that was kind

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of weird for a fisheries person.
And then when he went back to his

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work on the reservation there the fisheries
people were in the office. They say,

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what were you doing sitting down the
river? He goes, what,

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we weren't over there, And then
he said, well, maybe I saw

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one of these things, And maybe
he did. I don't know. When

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I went out there, I didn't
find any sasquatch prints on the bar or

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the sandbar, mostly gravel, so
that that's excusable, of course, But

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I did notice there were other people
fishing, and so well, maybe there's

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a chance here he's just misidentified something. But there's also a chance he saw

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a sasquatch. Sitting down in the
water is an awfully peculiar thing for a

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fisherman to do, but it's also
a kind of a peculiar thing for a

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sasquatch to do so in the middle
of the day. So anyway, long

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drive, my dog and I had
a good time. Melissa's out of town

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right now, so I was kind
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I guess the only other good thing
about that trip, Well, there's a

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lot of great things about that trip. I had a good time, don't

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get me wrong, but I did
run across a couple of Queets tribal members

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who recognize me from the show,
which is great. By the way,

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So all my friends on the res
is out there, thanks so much for

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loving the show. Like, if
I ever want to feel special, I

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go to a reservation because people say, oh, you're that guy and they

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tell me about something on the res
which is really cool. Really really appreciate

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my tribal friends out there. But
anyway, one of those guys said,

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oh, yeah, you're that guy
on that show, and blah blah blah.

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One of my friends found a footprint
yesterday or the day before, so

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I'm still kind of waiting to get
that number texted to me. So if

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you are one of those Queats Fishery
dudes who told me about that, you

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have my number, text me that
picture, man, I'd love to see

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it. And there you go.
That's my week in a nutshell. Our

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guest is a big footer for many, many years. I know that I've

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interacted with this gentleman a couple of
times before, and I think I've been

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in the field, but I can't
I don't know I've been in the field

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with so many people. Now I'm
gonna have to ask this gentleman here,

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Chris Spencer, if I've been in
the field with him, because I don't

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even remember. That's how my life
is, And honestly, that's more like

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how my memory is more than my
life. My memory is pretty shoddy nowadays,

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which is why I try to write
everything down. But Chris Spencer has

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been a big footer for a long
time. He actually took a class from

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Grover Krantz at WSU. I'm want
to ask him about that. And he

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is a very active field guy.
He's totally knee deep into or actually necktie

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probably into field vocalizations and more.
One of the key members of the Olympic

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Project. And I'm just so pleased
to be able to talk to them.

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Thanks so much for quote on big
Foot and beyond. Thanks Cliff. I

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actually I totally understand the memory thing. I feel like I'm fried all the

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time. My mind's going all over
the place. So we haven't been in

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the field together, but we've run
into each other at conferences and stuff a

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number of times, and we have
mutual friends. So see, I thought

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I ran into you at one of
the Olympic Project gatherings. Although I haven't

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been on one of those for a
couple of years now, I thought that

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you were around on one of those. But again, I meet so many

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people I just have to and I'm
not really good at people, you know,

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in a lot of ways, like
trying to keep everybody straight, and

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names are like water in my hand
and they just go straight through. But

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I always recognize a face and I
reckon, I know your face, so

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I just didn't know where I knew
it from. Is all no worries,

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man, I'm not a people person
myself. I'm kind of in my own

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zone most of the time. So
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the characteristics very offen and of a
lot of field people feel like, you

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know, people who like to go
out into the woods and put their boots

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on the ground, and we don't
do that because we're we like to hang

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out with people. Generally, we
do that because we like the solitude of

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the woods. Exactly exactly. I
just got back from the woods myself.

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So you were saying that on the
on the pre show there. Before we

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get into your current field work and
what your projects are, um, can

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we do a little introductory session for
the people listening, because they may or

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may not know you. You're one
of these people that I have great respect

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for. I hear a lot of
good things about you from other people that

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I also respect in the field.
And one of the characteristics of the people

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I respect the most is that they're
not out there all the time putting you

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know, like Bobo and I.
That's kind of how we make a live

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and putting our faces out in front
of everybody. But you're not one of

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those people. You're out there kind
of working quietly in the woods, behind

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the scenes, in a lot of
places, a lot of a lot of

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situations. And I find that very
very respectable. Of course, so I

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imagine most of our audience have not
hasn't really heard of you too much either,

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So tell us a little bit about
your background. I know you went

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to WSU and you met doctor Krantz. Apparently, was that where the interest

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was born or you interested before that
like most people, you know, I'm

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I grew up in the seventies,
so I saw in search of and that

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was where the interest probably started.
But seriously, thinking about it, didn't

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didn't occur until I started college and
had Grover for Anthropology one oh one.

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Up to that point, you know, I was interested because I was I

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was always into dinosaurs, history,
the evolution of human beings. That's always

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fascinated me. And growing up,
my parents actually had a cabin in Packwood,

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Washington, and me and my dad, when I was probably six or

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seven, did find some tracks.
And I don't remember much about the tracks.

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I do remember my dad's reaction at
the time. I just remember his

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eyes kind of bulging out of his
head and telling me to get in the

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truck. And that was my first
I guess Sasquatch experience. If that was

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indeed Sasquatch tracks we found, all
I know is it freaked my dad out.

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But yeah, going into the nineties, I started college in ninety one

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and then I had a Grover for
Anthropology one o one the spring of ninety

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two. I had no idea he
was connected to the big Foot phenomena at

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all until one day I walked into
the lecture hall and on his table was

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the reconstructed skull of Gigantopithecus and a
bunch of tracks, and I to this

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day I wish I had had a
tape recorder. I have the note somewhere

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in a box in my garage,
but he basically covered the whole topic.

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I guess he would devote one lecture
a semester to the topic of sasquatch.

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And up until that time, you
know, I was eighteen, just turned

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eighteen. Really sasquatch wasn't on my
mind at that age, and my dad

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had always said that Patterson Gimblin film
was just a guy in a suit.

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So I just kind of followed along
with what my dad's thoughts were until that

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class. I can say when I
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was a real animal, and I
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up until and I remember thinking at
the time, I was like, this

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is crazy. This is an actual
scientist and he believes this is a real

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animal. That held a lot of
weight for me, and he did.

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He had he actually had a copy
of the Patterson Gimblin film which he showed

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us over a film projector, and
he went over all the reasons why he

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felt it was a real animal and
just kind of opened my eyes to what

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was actually in the film. Of
course, the quality of the film he

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showed us was better than what I
ever saw on TV. So other than

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you know, I don't remember exact
details, but that's that's where kind of

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my passion for the subject started.
I didn't really dive into actual field research

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or anything like that after that.
But after that class, that's when I

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pretty much made up my mind in
my head is there is something to this

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and this is a real animal.
Well, it's the first time that you

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decided to do this is a weird
way to say it, but do something

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about that. You know that it's
kind of a weird way to frame that

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question. But I think you hear
the song I'm singing, right, Yeah,

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yeah, So you know after that, Yeah, i'd gotten a copy

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of his book Big Footprints or did
you get him to sign it, by

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the way, Yes, I did. Oh that's so cool. Good for

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you, man. I also bought
a copy of I think that he calls

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it the Dermo's Cast. He talks
about it in that book. I have

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a copy of that I bought from
him. I didn't get him to sign

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that because I didn't think of it, but I have a Yeah, I

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have a copy of The Dermo's Cast
from him, which is cool. But

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after that, you know, life
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You know, I followed this subject
as much as anyone would, watching

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documentaries and TV shows about it.
And twenty thirteen, though, me and

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my son had an experience. My
son was thirteen. It was a spring

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break and I bought him a Walmart
two man tent and he really wanted to

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use it. And it was raining
here, I mean western Washington. It

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was raining quite a bit. So
I told him we'll jump on fourteen.

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We'll head east, and we came
to Scamania County Campground, which is right

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on the Columbia River, just past
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know, four or five acres maybe, and it's just wooded and you have

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Highway fourteen on one side of it. You have the river on the other

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side of it. I think there's
a baseball field there. But we pulled

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into that campground and this was April
fifth. The campground had opened April first,

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and that year was a really cold
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snow levels were still down around two
thousand feet and there were elk down at

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lower levels, and so we went
into this campground and we were the only

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people there. I'm pretty sure we
were the first people there, and it

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was the campground itself around it.
Most of the woods was still pretty thick

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with just brush and vine maple.
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And anyways, we set up camp
and we did a little walk around

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and we actually found I have a
picture. I actually have it. I

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found a twist broken vine maple that
had been pushed behind a tree, and

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underneath it there was a there was
like an eighteen by nine inch impression in

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the pine needles and you could see
toes in. It was pretty fresh.

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Actually have pictures of it somewhere.
But we kind of was like, wow,

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this is really cool. When about
our business, we went fishing.

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We came back and it started kind
of sprinkling, and that cheap little two

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man tent didn't have a rain fly. So I had tarps in my jeep

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and I tied two small tarps over
the top of it with paracord. We

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went to bed and I woke up, you know, sometime after midnight hearing

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movement in the campground, and my
first thought was elk. And just before

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I fell asleep, something grabbed those
tarps and pulled on those tarps and I

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sat up and I cussed, and
it woke my son up, and I

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just told him it's all right,
go back to sleep, and I'd laid

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back down. I was kind of
thinking in my head. I'm like,

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did I hear what I really heard? And you know, the thought of

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that track, we actually found several
impressions that day. The thought of those

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impressions and that limb twist I were
in my head and I was like,

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am I freaking myself out or something? And just as I was hawking myself

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out of what I heard, it
happened again. And that time I hit

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the panic button on my jeep and
it lights flashed, horn honked, and

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it was I didn't sleep the rest
of the night. I heard movement all

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night around around us, and I
want to say it was around four am.

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I heard a knock and then everything
kind of went quiet. I got

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up at that Before that I couldn't
get out of ten. I was so

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scared. I got up, built
up a fire, waited for my son

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to get up, and when he
got out of the tent, I asked

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him, what did you hear last
night? He goes, I heard you

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cussing, and I heard the jeep
horns and lights go off, and that's

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it. And then I told him
what I heard, and he said,

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I don't want to stay here again
tonight, Dad, And I'm like,

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we're not. And we packed up
and left. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages.

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We Yeah, that whole area right
right at the wind River Mouth area,

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I'm assuming that's where it was,
is very very good. I mean,

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everywhere from Beacon Rock has just a
ton of stuff. At Beacon Rock.

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I've personally investigated two or three sidings
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which is right there. Of course, Dog Mountain is over that general direction.

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I've got a couple of things off
of Dog Mountain as well, And

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of course I personally investigated footprints and
sidings and a whole lot of historical stuff

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up the wind River Highway as well. Of course, and you know the

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Scamania County law that was passed in
what seventy or seventy one or something,

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maybe sixty nine. We're right in
there. On April fools Day, which

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is next week. Anniversaries next week, I actually be when we're recording this.

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It followed a bunch of stuff that
happened up kind of near Panther Creek

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Campground and Bear Creek actually specifically,
which included sheriffs and whatever going up and

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casting footprints and man that, Yeah, that area is just thick with Bigfoot

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history. So I'm not very surprised
at all, no matter how close you

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were to the fourteen that something may
happened that night. Yeah. I actually

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I went back there the next year
and they had actually cleaned up the campground,

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so all that thicker cover that was
in the trees around the campground was

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cleaned up and you could see forever, so it had changed. I haven't

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been there in a long time,
but I spent most of twenty fourteen just

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kind of looking at reports on the
bf ORO site and running around that area

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down there because of what had happened, And it just dawned on me that,

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you know, I need to go
somewhere where there's where there's food.

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And I saw a report David Ellis
had taken in two thousand and nine up

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by Mount Saint Helens, and I
actually ended up going up there and starting

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to throughout audio recorders, maybe a
mile from where that report was taken and

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sure enough I actually recorded some suspicious
stuff and started talking to David a lot

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about it, and that was an
area that I investigated till about twenty nineteen.

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Since then, I've been mainly working
with a little the Olympic Project,

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basically with Shane up in the Nest
area. Gotcha, gotcha? So how

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far is it to the general Araban? And I know where the nest is,

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but nobody else says and people shouldn't
know. Um, So it takes

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you what about from there? Probably
about two hours, fore hour, two

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and a half hours, two and
a half hours, about two and a

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half hours. It's not that bad
of a john. Okay, that's good.

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So that's where that's your main site
of research at these days. Yeah,

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that's about I'll have time for right
now. You know. I get

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together with other researchers from other groups, both me, Shane and and Todd.

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We go we go meet up with
other people and other areas and do

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some campouts every year, but mainly
at least once a month as much as

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we can. We're kind of up
in the Nest area. So that's honestly,

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you know, I it's one of
those things is I've been monitoring that

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area with long term audio for two
years now, and I know they're a

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sasquatch there, so I really don't
have any reason to go somewhere else,

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and I really want to learn more
about that area, and it just that's

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where most of my attention is.
Yeah, well, there's only so many

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hours in the day. And it
sounds that you have a family and all

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that sort of stuff too. Yeah, you have to make a use what

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time you have, you know.
Yep, very good. So you just

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said it, But what year did
you start getting involved with the Olympic project

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and the nest site specifically? In
twenty seventeen? Me and Shane had been

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going out camping in other areas and
we'd become friends. In twenty seventeen he

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actually invited me into the Nest area, and I want to say it was

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twenty actually twenty twenty. Right after
him, he and Todd walked in on

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a nest being built. He asked
me to come out and start putting some

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of my long long term audio recorders
out there, and so I The first

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audio recorder I put out there was
right after that. I want to say

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it was three weeks they walked in
on that nest being built, and then

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in twenty twenty one, I don't
know if you're familiar with wesleyam from squattro

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Metrics. He's his thing is statistical
analysis. And me and him were talking

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and he's like, wouldn't it be
cool to log all the sounds from dusk

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till dawn for as many nights as
we could get in there, And I

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was like, let's do it.
So I actually invested some money into some

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SM four recorders, which is put
out by Wildlife Bioacoustics. These are recorders

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that actual scientists use, actual wildlife
biologists use to study other animals, and

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it allows you to record. I
mean they'll hold two one terror byte SD

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cards in them, so if you
have the power, you have the you

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could actually record for months on end, if that's what you wanted to do.

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And so I set them up so
they were I basically get about fifty

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nights at them at a time with
each one, and we're up there more

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than that. I don't like letting
the recorders go that long because it gets

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built up for review. But we
set up these long term recorders around the

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nest are one over by where the
new one was found and one in between

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and one where the original nests were
found. And just basically started logging everything

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from dusk till dawn and I basically
review audio and then I punched it all

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into a spreadsheet send it to West. And we haven't done the full analysis

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yet. I just finished reviewing twenty
twenty two. I actually got every single

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night recorded in twenty twenty two.
In twenty twenty one, I got fifty

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eight percent of nights, and he
did a light analysis. That light analysis

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is on the OP website for anyone
that wants to look at it. And

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as soon as I get everything logged, probably this summer, he'll start doing

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a more in depth analysis for twenty
twenty two. So you said fifty eight

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percent of the knights, so you
had some sort of activity that you would

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identify as sasquatch. No no,
no, no, no, no,

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no. Fifty eight percent of nights
for twenty twenty one were recorded. I'm

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just talking about how many nights are
recorded. The stats for that or in

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the light version that's West made public
on the OP site last year, but

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we're there. We were finding that
there was a lot more suspicious sound activity

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than we ever expected going into it. Me and Shane. We've always assumed

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that they were only there at a
specific time of year when the thought was

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the nest were being built. But
what we found is there they're passing through

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the area pretty regularly. In it
I mean the in the wintertime of course,

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with whether and stuff, And just
because you don't record a suspicious sound

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doesn't mean the absence of the animal. But on a regular basis, it's

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usually about every three nights, every
three to four nights, we get some

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kind of suspicious activity. And what
and what I do with the spreadsheet,

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I'm not saying that everything is sasquatch
and I'm in the spreadsheet, everything's logged

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as unknown or an ambiguous. An
ambiguous is usually something that is too distant

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to really make an identification on,
and it could be it could be an

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unknown which we assume would might possibly
be a sasquatch because of other things happening.

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Usually there's not just vocalizations. There's
going to be percussive sounds. And

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I want to also say they don't
make a lot of noise, so it's

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not like there's a ton of noise
going on, and we're getting all these

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vocalizations and percussive all the time,
that's not happening, but on a fairly

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regular basis there seems to be a
presence in the area. Yeah, I'm

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looking at the report right now,
which of course is on Olympic project dot

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com that's under the I think the
new additions or something like that in recent

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editions, something to that effect right
now, And I love what you guys

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have done. I'm looking at the
page right now where all the different species

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that you've been able to identify so
far have been tallied, and you have

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right there unknown and also ambiguous,
which I think is a totally fruitful category

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to be putting a lot of these
things in because you may not know.

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And one question that I know this
over here in the right gun shots,

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here's a question for you. How
does one differentiate between gunshots and wood knocks.

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Well, just I've been reviewing in
Spectrogram since twenty fifteen and I've done

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a lot of knocking experiments with my
recorders. But I also talking with David

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Ellis, and I've gotten a lot
of help from David Ellis and Nagahela on

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all my audio. I've learned a
lot from both of them. Yeah,

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they're both I go to guys for
audio stuff, absolutely absolutely. But if

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you look at gunshots in spectrogram,
there's actually you'll see they'll be running usually

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down the full range of frequencies,
and there's usually a little pop before the

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actual explosion of the gunshot. And
the signature itself looks once you've seen it

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enough, it looks totally different from
let's say a rock on rock or wood

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on wood. It's hard for me
to articulate, but when I see it,

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I just I know it. I've
when I first started, I actually

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went out. I took one of
my recorders and I measured out ninety foot

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increments, so thirty five yard increments, and I would hit a tree with

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wood on wood, do rock on
wood, and do rock on rock out

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to about one hundred and twenty yards, just to see what those sounds looked

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like on my recorder in spectrogram,
and also kind of to get an idea

406
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:07.160
of how close these things were occurring
to my recorder. That's a good answer,

407
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.119
because what you told me in a
nutshell is that they looked at front

408
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.079
on a spectrograph, and you've done
experiments as a calibration marker. I guess

409
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:21.119
to see what knocks sound like various
kinds of knocks too, wood on wood

410
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:22.519
and rock on rock, and a
bunch of other stuff like that. And

411
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.880
certainly I guess you know, you
can always do more experimentation if you choose,

412
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.680
but that's a really good foundation on
which you can build and do some

413
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.640
differentiation here. Yeah, absolutely,
because I don't shut the door on any

414
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.240
sound. It's sound unless you actually
see the sound being created, you can't

415
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.799
really say exactly what it is,
but you can make some pretty good educated

416
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.519
guesses. Are there sounds on the
Olympic Project website that people can listen to?

417
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.519
That's in the works. Shane's trying
to get those put up there.

418
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:53.000
I do have a YouTube channel.
It was my personal YouTube channel, but

419
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:57.200
I have stuff from the Nest area
on it. Now. I have some

420
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:04.720
vocalizations. We call it singing vocalizations. We have some whistles. Most of

421
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:11.640
my YouTube though, I have known
animal because I'm constantly I want people to

422
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:17.519
really look at the sounds when instead
of everything's a sasquatch when they record it,

423
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:22.799
to actually do some investigation. So
because I get sent audio a lot,

424
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:27.759
and so the main contributors to that
audio, I try to put up

425
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:33.160
examples of it, such as barred
owl and kyote, and giving different examples

426
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:40.119
of those animals because individual an individual
animals within those species will create their own

427
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.880
noise and they will sound they have
a wide range, and they will sound

428
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:48.559
screwing. So there's a lot of
different vocalizations done by known animals that are

429
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:55.039
constantly, constantly being mistaken for sasquatch. So that's what my YouTube's a lot

430
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.279
of that is about. I put
up non animals sounds. I have like

431
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.480
crow talking, crow knocking because crows
will actually make a percussive sound with their

432
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:10.079
mouths. And my YouTube channel does
have unknown sounds that I attribute to sasquatch

433
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.759
that were recorded in the nest area. One in particular we called chimp fit

434
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.799
because it literally sounds like chimpanzees.
Yeah, I saw that there was a

435
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.319
spectrograph in the in the paper you
guys have published on this particular vocalization.

436
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.960
Is that right? Yes, that
one. It's not the best recording because

437
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.759
it was actually recorded with one of
my homemade long term audio units, but

438
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:40.559
it's profound because in spectrogram there's no
way you can mistake this for an owl

439
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:45.720
or coyote signature. It's its own
signature, and I actually pulled some chimpanzee

440
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:52.920
vocalizations off the McCauley Librarius sound to
do comparison, and it resembles chimpanzee vocalizations.

441
00:30:53.200 --> 00:31:00.960
Is specifically chimpanzees that we're getting excited
when they were seeing their zookeepers come

442
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.400
to them, knowing that the zookeepers
would have food, and the whole structure

443
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:11.839
of what happened in the nest area
of that those vocalizations were not exactly the

444
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:18.119
same as chimpanzee, but really profoundly
close. Basically, what you had was

445
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:23.319
in the nest area an individual doing
some high pitched whooping that built up into

446
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:30.200
a scream, actually two screams.
There was another individual distant making some noise,

447
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:37.039
and then and a third individual doing
very low pant hoots after the screamer

448
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.960
screamed, and I found two in
the McCauley library. So I found several

449
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:49.039
chimpanzee situations where you had a female
chimpanzee getting excited in a male chimpanzee doing

450
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:53.440
very low pant hoots, and both
of them would build up into a scream,

451
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:59.079
and it was I do a whole
YouTube breakdown of it on my channel,

452
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.519
and to me, it was like
it's profound just because you can't miss

453
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:06.960
it. This is primate. Whatever
I recorded in the Nest area's primate and

454
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.799
it sounds a lot like chimpanzee.
And for those people listening out there,

455
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.680
his YouTube page is Chris Spencer Tootle
River Valley Skukum. I typed and Chris

456
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.319
Spencer came up right away. But
for those who are a little bit more

457
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.079
technically challenged, in case Bobo's listening
and he wants to try to go find

458
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.839
this YouTube page, you could just
click the link in the show notes.

459
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:29.319
Okay, so some of the other
findings of your focus on the nest site,

460
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:34.240
what time of year or let me
ask you this, is there a

461
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.400
time of year that they seem to
be more vocal in the area, just

462
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:44.640
for me reviewing, not going by
any statistical analysis that Wes has done yet.

463
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:49.559
And what's funny is when I give
over the spreadsheets, West finds things

464
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.880
that I don't see and I'm reviewing
the stuff, but you know, basically,

465
00:32:54.680 --> 00:33:00.599
fall is a big, big time
that period between August in October where

466
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.920
this year at least was seemed to
be quite a bit and springtime it doesn't.

467
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.000
It's actually doesn't surprise me because as
far as vocalizations go, that's kind

468
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:15.599
of what I found in the area
I was investigating near Saint Helen's. And

469
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.359
I would mind you, when I
was doing that, I was only maybe

470
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.200
recording three or four nights a week. I wasn't recording every night, but

471
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:30.759
it seemed to be more vocalizations in
the spring and in the fall, but

472
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:36.359
in the necessary one thing, like
I said, there's there's been activity pretty

473
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:43.440
much year round. I wouldn't.
They're they're actively walking through that particular Uh

474
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.240
those there's several ravines there. As
you know you've been there. They're actively

475
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:52.480
walking through there on a really regular
basis. They're not like disappearing for months

476
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.279
on end. They're they're still there. They're utilizing that area. And actually,

477
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.480
right now, that's kind of our
focus right now is we've got this

478
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.480
audio, we've got an idea of
where a lot of the sounds we recorded

479
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.559
are coming from, and we're actively
looking for physical evidence of their travels.

480
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:15.519
And you know, we actually we
found some physical evidence tuesday. I'm actually

481
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.360
really excited right now. It's an
exciting time because it's one thing to capture

482
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.159
this audio, but then to have
some kind of confirming evidence that yes,

483
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:29.079
indeed you're recording something. There should
be physical evidence. If a sasquatch is

484
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.119
making these noises and you know you've
been in the next area, there's going

485
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.039
to be physical evidence. They've got
to be causing some kind of damage to

486
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.960
the environment that we can find.
And that's kind of our focus right now

487
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.360
is I'm slowing down on the audio
and now we're focused on really getting in

488
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:51.159
there and exploring around and looking for
that physical evidence. And can you tell

489
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.079
us what sort of physical evidence you
came across on Tuesday? So we look

490
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:59.599
for huckleberry breaks, and I'll go
back a little bit. In twenty twenty

491
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.480
one, Shane had gone into the
area by himself and he noticed some fresh

492
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:07.480
huckleberry breaks from the logging road that
went off towards one of these ravines.

493
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:14.840
Well, myself, Rebecca and Todd
came in with him a week or so

494
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.840
later, and we did some hiking
and we found that there's these these trails

495
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.679
of broken huckleberries ranging from four feet
high up to the highest, you know,

496
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:29.239
seven feet up. The branches broken
off and discarded on the ground,

497
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.239
and all the bushes had berries on
them, but the branches that were broken

498
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.400
off and discarded on the ground were
lacking berries. None of the branches had

499
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.239
tooth marks or claw marks or cut
marks, and some of them were quite

500
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.599
large. Some of them were an
inch and a half in diameter. Twist

501
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.400
broke off and like I said,
stripped of berries. And on top of

502
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:57.400
this, Todd Hill actually located where
they had crossed one of the logging roads

503
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.639
from They were traveling from one ravine
to the other ravine and they had crossed

504
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.800
one of these logging roads. And
we found several sets of impressions. One

505
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.119
was about a seventeen inch in length. I can't remember the width, but

506
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:16.239
Todd took a he has both of
us now have the Scandy pro app on

507
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.920
our phones, and he took a
scan of it. It's one of those

508
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.280
deals we kick ourselves. Now.
We should have cast it. We did

509
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.920
not. I don't think we had
any casting material with us. But it

510
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.039
was a really good impression where you
can see that you would know better that

511
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:37.440
mid push up, that breaking point
where the flexibility of the foot where they

512
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.840
kind of has a push up ridge
in the middle of it, and you

513
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:43.960
can see toe detail in it.
But but yeah, so we we've got

514
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.159
these these huckleberry breaks, and and
this was a lot of damage. It

515
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.480
wasn't just like a few here and
there. This was like a clear trail

516
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:57.400
of multiple animals going through the huckleberry
for you know, over one hundred yards

517
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.400
from one ravine to the other end. It was just so obviously they were

518
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:06.960
stripping the berries off and just discarding
the branches. Now fast forward to this

519
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.599
last Tuesday, this one particular ravine, over the ravine that the new nest

520
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:16.559
was found on further I would say
further to the west of that, we

521
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:21.519
decided to explore anary that no one
has explored before, and that's where a

522
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:27.440
lot of the sound we believe was
coming from. We fought our way into

523
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.320
it, and it was a fight. It was. It was brutal.

524
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:36.079
I know, both Shane and I
have mentioned many times in the past how

525
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.679
brutal it is in there, but
this was worse than ever in thickness of

526
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:45.239
huckleberry. And we got to this
one area where stuff started clearing out and

527
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.320
we started finding these breaks, and
once again it was the same scenario.

528
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.400
You had huckleberry ranging from four feet
up to all the way up to seven

529
00:37:54.440 --> 00:38:00.559
feet broken off, twist broke,
pulled broke, and it was older and

530
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.239
me and Shane kind of figured this
happened last fall. This was they were

531
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:13.360
in here feeding last fall and you
could see trails that had been mashed down

532
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.000
were something large and been walking through
the area. Shane actually he's got we

533
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.079
got a lot of video of it. But Shane took a really cool video.

534
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.679
He found one branch that it was
an inch and a half piece of

535
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.960
huckleberry made two feet long, hanging
out of a cedar tree like it had

536
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.599
been just tossed over someone's shoulder.
At least that's what I envisioned my head.

537
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.960
But it was exciting because it was
the same thing we found in twenty

538
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:42.559
twenty one, and we figured it
happened probably about the same time in twenty

539
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.719
twenty two looking at the age of
the breaks that it was probably about six

540
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:53.280
months ago and it was obvious feeding
feeding behavior in our opinion, Stay tuned

541
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:58.280
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bobo. We'll be right back after

542
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:07.079
these messages. And the next site
is like a sponge that you continue to

543
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.639
squeeze and get a little bit more
water every single time. Out of it's

544
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:14.239
kind of a neat a neat situation. Any news on them logging it or

545
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:21.199
when shutting you guys out on that, That's last I heard was they didn't

546
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.679
have any permits to log it.
But that's one of our concerns, and

547
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.960
that's why we're trying to do as
much as we can exploring this year.

548
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:34.840
We're actively looking at areas connected to
the nest area to move into in search.

549
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.599
But this area particular, we want
to, like you said, going

550
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.400
there because it I mean, there
could be stuff five feet away from you

551
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.480
you wouldn't see unless you walked right
up on top of it. But as

552
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:51.039
far as them logging it, we
don't know. But I do know this.

553
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:55.159
There's some new surveyor tape on one
of the ravines that wasn't there the

554
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.159
year before, so I know the
timber surveyors are starting to survey, which

555
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.719
is an indication that there's going to
be some logging in the future, hopefully

556
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.480
not soon, but I don't know
yet. Yeah, it was kind of

557
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.519
a big area too, though.
Imagine they can log one area and just

558
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.159
push them somewhere else for a little
while and you can just change your focus

559
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.239
in there. But you know,
I would have to agree that, like

560
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.559
my work and why field areas are
indicating one of the things that you mentioned

561
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.639
that is kind of goes against the
grain I guess of what a lot of

562
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.760
people have assumed for a long time
and bigfoot research, and that is that

563
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.960
I strongly believe now that they stay
in the same area pretty much all the

564
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.039
time. And mind you, that
area might be very large, and I

565
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.119
know the nest site area in the
surrounding areas it's very large area. But

566
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.559
my area is ten miles by ten
miles probably, And oh that sounds it's

567
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:45.639
not a really big area. But
I mean, you know, in the

568
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.079
words of Stephen right, it's a
small world. But I wouldn't want to

569
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:53.000
paint it right. Yeah, it's
a tremendously large area when you're walking through

570
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:58.480
the brush and trying to find minuscule
trace evidence of something with big, soft,

571
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.800
padded feet moving by. But so
far, one of my areas has

572
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:07.719
yielded footprints and casts five eight times
now, actually longer than that because other

573
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.840
people have been working at two But
it's all from the same area and it

574
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.280
doesn't matter what time of year.
The only thing that we're noticing is that

575
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.679
it happens about once every three months. That's when we stumble across something.

576
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.000
That doesn't mean they're not there otherwise, but that's just when I happen to

577
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.880
get we happen to get lucky.
And so far the pattern is once every

578
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.880
three months we're walking away with something
like a footprint cast or two. But

579
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.360
obviously they're there more often than that. So again, I think that this

580
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.760
idea that they migrate or they've all
moved to the coast or or you know

581
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.360
all that stuff. I just think
it's if they don't have to move,

582
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.960
they won't. Why would they hundred
percent agree with you, and I've heard

583
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.199
you talk about what you're doing in
I'm always like, yeah, And if

584
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.719
you look at the nest area,
there's food wise, there's absolutely no reason

585
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.639
for them to travel. There's none. I mean, there's so many different

586
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.679
opportunities there. Why would you travel
if he didn't have to? And the

587
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:10.800
thick cover they have the cover to
conceal themselves and operate without being noticed by

588
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.400
humans. And they also have that
benefit of private land. It's logging land,

589
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.119
but it's private land. And that's
that's the case in one of my

590
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:24.480
areas as well. The National forests
that we go on borders logging land essentially,

591
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.760
and we have a permit for that
logging land, so now we can

592
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.239
go on there, and we've started
doing so. But nonetheless all all of

593
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:34.920
our best stuff is coming either right
at the border, like on the Forest

594
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.559
Service land, or just across the
border into the Warehouser land in this case.

595
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.639
Yeah, so I don't think they're
moving very far. And one of

596
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:45.840
the other things I've noticed from the
squatrometrics paper that you have published is something

597
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.280
else that was pointed out to me, you know, twenty years ago by

598
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.840
Kathy Strain, is that there's something
going on with coyotes. There's just something

599
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.360
going on. Can you talk about
what you've been learning from your studies of

600
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.519
listening to vocalizations about the connection,
the possible probable in my opinion, connection

601
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:08.440
between sasquatches and coyotes. Absolutely,
it's one of my favorite things. So

602
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:15.039
kyote they live in family groups and
the alpha it's basically the alpha male and

603
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.559
alpha female and their children. That's
basically a kyote pack. And when a

604
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.679
larger predator comes in the air,
usually the alpha male will do what I

605
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:29.800
call a warning location call, where
he kind of does that kill deer thing

606
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.679
where he brings attention to himself while
warning his family that there's something bigger in

607
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.760
the area, is such as a
cougar, because cougars actively hunt coyotes.

608
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:44.760
And one thing I noticed that the
call is basically it can be a scream

609
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:50.519
how a scream yodel or like scream
barking, and the kyote will do this,

610
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.960
you know, for seconds up to
I've recorded it for hours where the

611
00:43:54.159 --> 00:44:02.480
kyle is running around doing this call
all night long. And we noticed on

612
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:09.119
nights that we were getting suspect activity. The kyote in that area was making

613
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:15.440
the kyote warning call the same time
and within if not the same night,

614
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:21.079
but within a twenty four hour period
of picking up suspect sounds. There's kyote

615
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.800
warning location calls going off. I
think the night that chimp fit was recorded,

616
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:34.760
there were sixteen other suspicious vocalizations,
but there were seventeen kyote warning calls,

617
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.079
and in some cases that kyot went
on for an hour straight scream barking

618
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:43.960
and scream howling. There's absolutely a
connection to kyots in my opinion. Do

619
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.800
you have any speculations as to what
that might be, Well, I would

620
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:52.519
suggest that sasquatch would be a bigger
predator than kyote, and the kyotes probably

621
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.920
not wanting to interact with that sasquatch
and wants his family to know there's a

622
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.519
sasquatch in the area. Okay,
So you think that it's just kind of

623
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.000
coincidence that the sasquatches and kyotes are
in the same area and the and the

624
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.960
kyoties are just giving a heads up
that they're around. Yeah, I think

625
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:15.000
because because I get kyote vocalizations regular, just howling or the pack in the

626
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.360
pups, especially in the spring,
will You'll get the pups going off and

627
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.440
just you're you know, when you
have multiple kyouts going off, howling,

628
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:28.960
yipping and yodeling, that's that's common. And then when it's the warning call,

629
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:34.159
is always a single kyote making that
house scream. And you know,

630
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.480
actually I get the house scream gets
sent to me. People think that's bigfoot

631
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.639
all the time, and I'm like, no, that's kyot And like I

632
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:49.599
said earlier, different animals, individual
animals within a species can make different sounding

633
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.480
calls. And I've got kyouts that
have really deep voices and kyouts that have

634
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:59.000
really high voices, and they'll they
all do that scream howl, and some

635
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:04.159
people mistake that alpha sasquatch quite a
bit. Actually, it's kind of a

636
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.880
running joke. Todd's always like,
what do you think it is, Chris,

637
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:14.119
And it is like kyote when I
get sent audio, But that I

638
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.719
think what's happening is the kyouts are
there, they're running doing whatever they're doing

639
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.480
as kyots, and when our target
subjects are coming into the area, that

640
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:27.199
alpha male is letting the rest of
the pack know that the target subjects in

641
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.920
the area. You know, I
could be wrong, It could be because

642
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:34.199
there's a cougar in the area.
But when you look at it from a

643
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:42.199
statistical standpoint, as West has,
every time I've logged a suspicious vocalization and

644
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.639
suspicious percussives is within twenty four hours
twelve hours each side of those occurring,

645
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.039
if not right after those occur,
I'm getting kyot warning calls. Well it

646
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.639
makes sense, I think, you
know, because no matter how good a

647
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.400
recorder you have, it only picks
up so far, and those kyo would

648
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.119
have to be in the same general
area as in the suspicious possible sasquatch noises

649
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:08.239
as well, which actually brings something
brings a question up as far as maybe

650
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:14.679
calibration or just um for your own
purposes, have you figured have you recorded

651
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.400
vocalizations? Because you said you have
more than one recorder out in the area,

652
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:22.760
have you recorded a vocalization on both
recorders at the same time? Yes,

653
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.559
I have you have? Okay,
okay, does that help you place

654
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.599
where they might be coming from?
Absolutely? How do you? How do

655
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.760
you do that? Well? You
can in spectrogram. You can see the

656
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.239
strength of the signature, how hard
it it's hitting on it, and when

657
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:45.280
it's let's say that my long term
recorder in Nestary three, that's one of

658
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:51.559
our designated areas I've picked up,
we get a lot of scream roars.

659
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.719
That's one of the vocals we get. I've picked up scream more are closer

660
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:01.239
to it while also picking it up
over by the old nest area further away.

661
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.880
And also when I place my recorders, all my recorders are running on

662
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:10.559
stereo mics. I can see each
channel for each recorder and spectrogram which Mike

663
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.800
is picking up that signal strongest.
So I can kind of figure out,

664
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:21.079
Okay, I know when I place
my recorders, I place the mics are

665
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.719
either pointed north south or east west. I try to orient them so I

666
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.760
know what direction each mic has pointed, so I can start putting a picture

667
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.880
together where those vocals are coming from. So I got this vocals. It's

668
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:38.880
in nest Ary three closer, and
it's hitting on the right mic, which

669
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.519
is pointed north, so that means
it's actually in between nest Ary three and

670
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.039
another recording area we call fresh Camp, where I have another recorder. So

671
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.599
it gives up me a rough idea
where the vocals are coming from. By

672
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.159
doing this, have you noticed that
the vocalizations continue to come from the same

673
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:04.760
general areas. Yes, there's I've
actually moved recorders into areas because of that

674
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:10.000
to try to capture closer vocalizations.
It sounds messed up, but they find

675
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.760
my recorders. They know my recorders
are there. And there's one place where

676
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.599
I had actually stuck it deep in
the ravine where I knew most of the

677
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.960
vocalizations were coming from, and they
shut up. But they started power knocking

678
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:30.920
next to that recorder. They would
go by that recorder and do a slam

679
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:36.559
grand home run next to that recorder
versus making any kind of vocalization. Yeah,

680
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.079
it's kind of a sounds like maybe
it's a heads up or something like

681
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:43.199
that. Yeah, one of the
things I've noticed over the years, And

682
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.159
I'd like to know your thoughts on
this is a lot of times, and

683
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:50.079
I'm not the only person who's notices, don't I don't think when you first

684
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.239
show up, or when somebody leaves
an area and leave somebody behind, that's

685
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:57.960
when they tend to knock, right
absolutely, okay, Yeah, so which

686
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:05.000
gives me some sort of comfort in
speculating that that would be a hey something's

687
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.719
changed, or hey, something's unusual. There are something's going on here,

688
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:12.599
pay attention, which which might go
well with this. When you move your

689
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.440
recorder into an area, they do
a couple of power knocks just let you

690
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.840
know, let other people know.
It's just like kyotes do. And they're

691
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.039
not not not knocks, but you
know, they're calls like something's up called.

692
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.599
I always say when people contact me, you want to start doing this

693
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.320
type of stuff, the long term
recording. I pretty much everywhere that I've

694
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:37.280
ever done this, at some point
in time, whether the sasquatch are seeing

695
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.159
me going back and forth to the
recorder, over time, they figure out

696
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.159
there's something there and there's going to
be a power knock. If not on

697
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:50.280
the tree next to it, Um, there's going to be some kind of

698
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.239
acknowledgment of it, and I just
take it as stupid human thing right here.

699
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.239
Yeah, so to those ends,
I know there's not a lot of

700
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.400
stupid human things out in the next
site area, but there are a couple.

701
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.760
There are some human things out there. There's some structures, for example,

702
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:09.039
and gates, and probably a handful
of other things I haven't even run

703
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.559
across yet, power line pools or
something. I don't know. There's bound

704
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.440
to be a couple of things.
Have you thought about hanging technology on or

705
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.719
around those? Not? At this
point would basically have been focusing on the

706
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:25.679
ravines where the nests were originally found
in. But actually, you know,

707
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:30.480
it's funny. Yesterday we try to
go to the one structure you're talking about.

708
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.519
I think you've visited it with Shane
at one point, and we got

709
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.199
some wild dogs chased us off.
Basically, yeah, man, who knows

710
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:43.280
who's living in that thing? Man? Because somebody is. Sometimes it was

711
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:51.559
a little bit scary. Oh yeah, No, I've and I've gotten you

712
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.559
know, I've I've recorded some percussive
not a lot but I've recorded a few

713
00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:00.360
percussives that we're on seemed to be
on metal, and whether they're on the

714
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:06.239
gate or not, that there seems
to be some hitting of metal at some

715
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.840
points in time. Whether that's our
target subjects or not, I don't know.

716
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:13.480
But oh that that brings up another
question I'd like to ask people like

717
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.360
yourself who are kind of like the
sound nerds, you know, have you

718
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:21.280
recorded other sounds that are completely out
of place? The one I always bring

719
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:22.679
up, or card door slamming,
because I've heard it myself, I've been

720
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:27.599
with people who have heard it.
Bobo's heard it. ANYWAC guys have heard

721
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.840
it down an area X. It
seems to be something having to do a

722
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:37.079
sasquatches, probably some sort of imitation
that they make. I'm guessing at this

723
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.960
point, have you recorded any unusual
sounds that you have a sneaking suspicion might

724
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.880
be sasquatches, even though it doesn't
sound like that beside and of course you

725
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:51.920
just mentioned one, but anything else
as far as like if you're percussive wise,

726
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.039
I've never gotten anything like a card
door I've heard of that one before,

727
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:00.400
but I've never gotten anything like that. I've gotten some odd vocal that

728
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:06.039
kind of made me pause, but
nothing that I would I would think they

729
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:10.039
were mimicking anything. Okay, now
you mentioned singing though, like that suspicious

730
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.440
singing and that scores on your website. Oh it's even called suspicious singing.

731
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:19.559
Now that I look at it,
What a coincidence? Do you think that

732
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.440
might be a sasquatch? Oh?
Absolutely, I call it. See I've

733
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:30.800
always called those vocalizations high low vocals. You'll usually have a vocalizer hitting really

734
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:37.400
low on the Hurts range and then
a responding vocalizer. It's arguable whether it's

735
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.880
the same vocalizer or not. I
think it's two different individuals hitting really high

736
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.559
notes. And that's been recorded not
only in the Necessaria, that's been recorded

737
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:52.480
in other areas. I've talked with
Nauga Halo about it. David has gotten

738
00:53:53.079 --> 00:54:00.199
the same kind of vocalizations from other
areas. Kirk Brandenburg recorded something similar in

739
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:04.760
an area of interest. And I've
always called them high low, but Managa

740
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.639
Hala and David call them singing vocalizations. So that's why I've been referring to

741
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.199
them as singing vocalizations. Now,
I mean some of them, I don't

742
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:17.079
know human that would do that kind
of vocalization. I don't. I'm not

743
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:22.360
saying that it couldn't be done.
That's one thing I always tell people.

744
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:29.559
The biggest worry when I'm recording is
the human contamination, because no matter what

745
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:35.519
anyone says, human beings can make
most the sounds that sasquatch make, and

746
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.679
vice versa. So I'm always really
worried about human beings in the area making

747
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:46.559
vocalizations when I'm recording. But that
that sing song high high low or low

748
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:52.239
high vocals, there's a there's a
brassy tone to them. There's a deep

749
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:58.480
almost echoing with it. I can't
articulate it as well as David Elstaes,

750
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.000
but it's it's just they're odd.
Well, you know it says it's on

751
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.800
your website, it's at the YouTube
channel here. Why don't we play it

752
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.840
for our listeners. They can put
their ears on it and hear what we're

753
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:29.079
talking about here. It's interesting sounding, the very almost whistling in a way,

754
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.840
but not quite. What software do
you use for your work here?

755
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.559
I use Audacity. I use a
spectrogram in Audacity. I originally start out

756
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:43.199
with Sonic Visualizer, and then you
know, most of the stuff I was

757
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:47.360
finding in Sonic Visualizer, I would
clip anyways in Audacity, so I switched

758
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:52.079
over to Dacity. Also, I
started talking with Montagua Hala a lot,

759
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.599
and he uses Audacity, and I
just got used to using that spectrogram.

760
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:01.119
One other thing I noticed in Sonic
Visualizer when I was reviewing and i'd see

761
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:07.039
something, I would play it in
it within the program of Sonic Visualizer,

762
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.880
and then when i'd moved that file
to Dacity to clip, when I played

763
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.199
in Audacity, it didn't sound the
same. So Sonic Visualizer, as far

764
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:22.360
as audible noises in it kind of
distorts what you're you're listening to. Where's

765
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.840
Audacity, You're listening to what your
recorder actually recorded. So that's why I

766
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:29.760
went with that. Oh okay,
I wasn't aware that Audacity, I see,

767
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.239
I don't use those. I have
a I subscribe to the Adobe Creative

768
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.880
Suite for the museum because I use
you know, Illustrator and um, you

769
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.840
know Premiere for our member videos and
Photoshop, and so I just have whatever

770
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.199
that they have. It was used
to be called a sound booth. I

771
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.679
think it's called audition or something that
I'm not sure what it is. But

772
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:52.320
that's when I use just but I
have a subscription for it. Most people

773
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:53.639
do, in fact to use aud
audacity, and that wasn't a word that

774
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:58.159
they had a spectrograph built into the
program. Yeah, it took me.

775
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:04.519
If you go to Monaga Hala's YouTube, I think he has some video in

776
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.320
there how he sets it up.
I actually made a YouTube video myself.

777
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:12.760
It's on my channel on how I
set it up and I set my spectagram

778
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.239
in a dassy up exactly like Monaga
Hala does. Yeah. Well, I

779
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.559
mean he's one of the best,
so you definitely want to follow any advice

780
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.960
that he gives. I think that
everybody should listen very closely too. Yep.

781
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:29.320
And under your kind of summary areas
of focus page on your presentation from

782
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:32.000
Squatro Metrics that you can download or
look at right now at the Olympic Project

783
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.599
dot com. It's it notes the
time of day that most vocalizations are recording

784
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:42.880
for, which brings up two questions
or two thoughts. I guess number one,

785
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.599
do you record twenty four to seven
or do you set it for sunrise

786
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.239
Sunday? What's your timing? Because
I have a bunch of long duration recorders

787
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.760
out. I think I have two
or three deployed at this very moment.

788
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.519
I generally set them from about this
time of year, probably about seven to

789
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.159
seven or something like that. What
do you do. I'm pretty much doing

790
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:05.119
the same thing. I look at
when the recording dusk still done. I'm

791
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:09.199
not recording all day long. It's
not that ye not that sasquatch couldn't be

792
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.239
making some kind of vocal during the
day. I just don't think they do

793
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.559
it during the day. Is often, and most noise is going to happen

794
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:23.039
at night when I think they're more
comfortable. But basically about an hour before

795
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:30.079
before dusk and about an hour after
dawn. That's what I set the recorders

796
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.559
for. During the wintertime, I'll
have them record fourteen hours. By summertime,

797
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.360
I'm only recording nine hours. Yeah. And also it's a it's a

798
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:43.199
thing that sound actually travels better at
night. It has to do a temperature

799
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:45.800
or water content in the air or
something like that, but you'd probably be

800
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.519
better off. Yeah. So that
was one of the things I wanted to

801
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.360
see, how what you're doing,
because you know, I don't know a

802
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:53.840
lot about anything, really, and
I only know as much as I do

803
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:58.639
because I surround myself with people who
are really into what they do and people

804
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.719
who are smarter than me. And
all that's to stuff, you know.

805
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:05.360
It's what any you know, person
who runs a business, for example,

806
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:07.519
like I do, or you know
he's on a team member or any sort

807
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.199
does you know you surround yourself with
people who are smarter than you and so

808
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:14.039
you can contribute as well. I
want to make sure that I was doing

809
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.679
something right. God knows. Man, if I'm not making a mistake,

810
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:22.880
I'm probably asleep, is my thought
on it. But that's science, man.

811
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:27.320
Science is a series of mistakes.
That's how we learn. I mean,

812
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.800
I I make mistakes all the time. I'm I'm self taught on all

813
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:35.800
this as just have a passion for
it, and I just want to I'm

814
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:42.239
just want to learn as much as
I can about about our special animals.

815
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.079
So right, right, yeah,
I'll tell you. Yeah, it's nice

816
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.079
to be able to make us mistakes
and be okay with it. I might

817
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.800
might tend to be rather high profile
mistakes that people throw throw stones at me

818
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.440
for, I guess, um,
but whatever, screw it, I'm okay

819
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:59.719
with it. Um. And my
other question about the time of day stuff

820
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.480
is It says here that most of
the most of the most of the unknown

821
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:07.440
vocalizations. According to this, almost
eighty five percent of them happened before one

822
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:13.360
am. Now that's something that very
informally, just you know, my own

823
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.280
work in the field. They're out
in the woods. It seems that the

824
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:23.039
sweet spot for me hearing vocalizations is
generally between eleven and two somewhere around there.

825
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.639
And that's just been my gut feeling. I don't have any numbers to

826
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:29.679
back it up or anything. But
also, to be fair, I tend

827
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:34.280
to fall asleep sometime around three,
so I didn't know if so. I'm

828
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.119
kind of happy in a way that
I see that perhaps I'm not missing as

829
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:38.960
much as I thought I was.
But of course I'm know I'm missing something.

830
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.880
But what are your thoughts on when
they seem to be vocalizing? And

831
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:45.960
do you have any idea why?
As far as in the nestary and I

832
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:52.159
always kind of throw it out there
that what these individuals are doing might be

833
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:58.760
different than individuals in another area are
doing. But like Wes found when he

834
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:06.880
was running the numbers, he's like
there's a huge shift from vocalizations to percussive

835
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:12.320
sounds after one am, and they
I still have vocals after one am.

836
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.679
I still. I mean, I
got some pretty interesting vocals, you know,

837
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:22.440
right there at dawn at five am. But generally speaking, vocalizations are

838
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:27.079
happening from dusk till one am.
And then you see a shift too,

839
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.960
if there is anything suspicious going on, some percussive sounds. And I actually

840
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:36.519
they use a lot of percussive sounds
in my opinion. But as far as

841
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:40.559
why that is, I honestly at
this point, I haven't deviled in my

842
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:47.599
brain that far. I'm just I'm
kind of in that mode of log everything

843
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.840
and get it punched in the spreadsheet
and send it to West and start really

844
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:57.760
hypothesizing later. Oh I get it, Yeah, do the work. Let

845
01:01:57.760 --> 01:01:59.960
the nerds figure it out, right, I get it now. But I'm

846
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:01.960
nerd two. That's why I say
that so happily. By the way,

847
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:07.440
do you notice because they're vocalizing at
the front part of the night, you

848
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.519
know, the first part of the
night. Is there a pickup at the

849
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:14.679
end of the night before daylight?
I haven't In reviewing, I haven't seen

850
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:21.599
that. I've seen, Like I
said, mostly percussives like this one area,

851
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:27.159
And what I find interesting is there'll
be a shift in times that they're

852
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:31.320
passing by the recorder. At least
that's my interpretation of it. In one

853
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:37.679
area in September, I was getting
a lot of percussive sounds between four and

854
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.639
five. It's like they're coming by
the recorder every other morning between four and

855
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.880
five on their way to do whatever
they're doing, and slam in a tree

856
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:51.599
and I've got a couple of vocals
with that, some whoops but not nothing

857
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:58.960
like a lot of vocalization. And
then somewhere it shifted around October they kind

858
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:00.559
of went quiet, and then all
of a sudden, I started getting the

859
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:05.840
same kind of percussives between ten and
eleven, and it's like, Okay,

860
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.119
something changed in their schedule. Now
they're moving through that area at a different

861
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:13.920
time. So the little things like
that that has actually intrigued me is like,

862
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:16.840
why is this happening there? There? There's obviously a change in whatever

863
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:22.239
routine they got going. It'll be
interesting to see if that pattern holds up

864
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:28.400
year to year as well. Absolutely, Yeah, I'm you know, I

865
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.639
see things as I review, but
I forget things a lot because I'm I'm

866
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:37.079
constantly reviewing and reviewing three different recorders
from the same area. That's one thing.

867
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.800
It gets a little monotonous when I
review one recorder and then I got

868
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:44.480
to review the recorder that's a quarter
mile away from it the same time period,

869
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:47.480
and then stuff gets jumbled in my
head. But I have tons of

870
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:51.840
notebooks, so well, yeah,
are at least you're doing that, you

871
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.719
know, leaving something behind because once
the animals are recognized by academia and everybody

872
01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.280
else, Um, this is history. We're making history, and if you're

873
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.760
doing it right, your history will
be remembered. You know. That's something

874
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:04.880
that's kind of cool. It's not
the reason to do it. It's not

875
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.599
like an ego thing, but at
the same time, it's it's kind of

876
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:12.599
neat to know that you're contributing to
something that will outlast all of us,

877
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.280
you know. Yeah, And that's
calm. I hope. I don't look

878
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:20.920
at I'm like I'm doing anything profound
or shocking. I'm just I'm doing what

879
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:26.960
I enjoy doing for one, and
then you know, and then two,

880
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.559
I think it's important and there's somebody
else a lot smarter than me down the

881
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.719
road might be able to use some
of this for whatever purpose. You know.

882
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:38.920
I don't look at it as like
I don't know. I just look

883
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:43.000
at it as something that needs to
be done, and you know, ten

884
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.400
years down the road, someone else
might be able to do something with it

885
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.320
that I can't think of. Right. Look at all the all the information

886
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:50.920
we're still getting out of, say
the Patterson Gimlin film, you know,

887
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:55.639
O, we're fifty years ago now, or even new stuff was discovered about

888
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:59.159
the Jerry Crew cast, you know, as recently as the late two thousands,

889
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.519
you know, two thousands, what
is it, fifth fourteen? I

890
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:05.079
think new stuff was discovered about the
Jerry Crew cast. Yeah, so you

891
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:09.880
just never know, collect at all
and let the future nerds, you know,

892
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.679
sort it out. It's kind of
my thought, but I think you

893
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.880
hit upon something that I think is
the most important thing about sasquatch stuff.

894
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.840
You enjoy it, I sincerely think, I mean, do the I think

895
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:24.559
all of us should be out there
doing the best job we possibly can with

896
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:30.119
gathering stuff. But there's so many
different ways to pursue this subject, and

897
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:33.159
there's so many cool avenues of inquiry
and things that have never been thought of,

898
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:39.280
and and and just to do what
you like to do in this field

899
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.079
is its own reward in my thought, you know, in my opinion.

900
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.480
So Chris, I think you're doing
great work. You're doing it for the

901
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.239
right reasons. You've got the primo
spot. Man, it is fantastic.

902
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:51.480
Where where can people follow what you're
doing. I mean you have the YouTube

903
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:57.960
channel, which of course is the
links in the show notes here, but

904
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.159
if you're driving and you just want
to write things down or something, it's

905
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.440
Chris Spencer toutele River Valleys, scuokum, anything else going on you want to

906
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:08.480
talk about. No, that's that's
pretty much it. We're trying to get

907
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:13.079
the OP website updated more and more
often and try and we're hopefully going to

908
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:19.360
get links to my YouTube channel onto
the OP website and as far as whenever

909
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:25.199
we get done, when Wes gets
done with any kind of statistical analysis,

910
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.719
we'll be putting that up on the
OP website as well. Well. Fantastic.

911
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:32.199
I want to thank you for your
time and your research and all that

912
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:34.159
stuff, and if you have time, I'd love to talk to you in

913
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:39.400
our member section. We have a
little membership and of course for people who

914
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:42.159
are listening and want to become a
member. Basically, what you get.

915
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.440
I mean, somebody was complaining I
guess this past week on social media.

916
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:47.880
We save all the good stuff for
our members, and I want to point

917
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:51.960
out that that is inaccurate. By
the way, what members get is extra

918
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:58.280
stuff. We don't save all the
good stuff. We do occasionally post photographs

919
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.719
or something on our members because there's
no other place for us to do that.

920
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:02.599
But you know, just so you
know, don't feel like you're being

921
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.559
cheated if you don't. If you
can't, you know, you don't want

922
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:08.800
to pay the five dollars a month
or something like that. Relax, everything's

923
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:11.280
cool. You're our friend, We
love you. You know. We're all

924
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:15.360
bf's here Bigfoot friends. Everything's cool. Don't worry about it. But you

925
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.159
get extra stuff, not the best
stuff, Like we don't save the very

926
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:21.960
very best stuff for people who give
us five bucks a month. We just

927
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:26.079
give them more stuff. So don't
think about it like that. We're all

928
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.599
friends here again BFS, Bigfoot Friends. That's us. Cliff and Bobo are

929
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:36.000
your best friends. Best Bigfoot friends
anyway. So if you want to become

930
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:40.880
a member, go to the website
Bigfoot to be on podcast dot com click

931
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:45.400
the links through the membership stuff goes
to a Patreon deal. I hear it's

932
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:47.719
very popular. I hear that people
are really enjoying the extra stuff. And

933
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:53.639
now we're going to disappear and have
Chris on for our membership section and we'll

934
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:57.000
talk about more stuff. So thank
you very much Chris for coming on,

935
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:08.639
and everybody else out there, all
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936
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:12.719
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