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and welcoming Paranormal Dimensions host David Young. Hi, David, I'm so glad
that you're here. We're going to cover your UFO stuff before we get into
the paranormal stuff. And I remember you saying it was around twenty ten that
a project you were working on was decommissioned and that project was suddenly done and
over width. But if anything came of it, it was this interest to
visit the area. When you realize that just down the coast, about an
hour or so was to call the Florida's Gulf Breeze, which apparently was the
site of a great UFO flap that you had heard about the Gulf Breeze sightings,
and the man who wrote this book was in waters was a name I
couldn't remember before we spoke, Did you say something about it wasn't really you
don't think it actually happened. Well, I know there was several people that
saw things, but like, I mean, let's just go back to where
I came into this. I was sent over to like the Pensacola area from
my work back in just after nineteen eleven. Actually it has when just before
the Cold Wars were breaking up. And when I found out that I was
just down the coast from Golf Breeze, I thought I'd take a little drive
down there, which was not far. I'd actually driven through there and actually
from Pensacola to Fort warm Beach without realizing it, to be honest, and
I thought i'd take a little drive down then and see what the area was
like, because it's kind of on the cold from Mexico and all in the
area is really I was quite fascinating just to see the area. But I
did actually realize that there's a lot of aircraft light around the area from help
At Field, which is where I was working on the acy thirties, and
I do a lot of laser work on the I was actually working on that
equipment, which was the all TV equipment, which was actually used for talking
in the terrorists, if you want to call them the terrorists anyway. I
believe that despite as if there's a UFO in that area, which they may
well have been. I do believe in UFOs. I've seen them. I'll
tell you a bit about that a bit later. But I believed that particular
golf breeze thing with Edwaters. I don't believe that that was actually not because
he was actually found with a fake UFO in his garage. I believe they
had a model. Now his story is that he made the model after seeing
the UFO. Maybe that's true, but it's kind of a little bit suspicious,
isn't it. Isn't it when you find that someone's got a model in
their garage, you know, certain the story goes. But yeah, I
mean that was I think it was nineteen eighty eight, wasn't it. I
believe that I think it was. It was definitely was definitely definitely the Yeah,
when the story broke and my own personal belief, I mean, it's
only my own personal belief. I believe that that wasn't actually a really big
but saying that it doesn't mean that there's not UFOs being seen in the area,
but other people, you know, it's quite sure. I've had my
own experiences with UFOs myself. And you said your first encounter was in like
nineteen fifty or fifty nine with an unidentified flying object while you were sitting on
the front steps of your home in London, right, Yeah, when I
was a child, I was sitting on moss before we actually moved to Essex
in England. Here, I was actually sitting on the steps looking at looking
up at the stars, as children do well anyway, just sort of imagining
what they were. Basically, I didn't really understand what stars were, to
be honest, it is sort of and all of a sudden I've noticed there
was a star moving and stopping and moving and stopping, and it was sort
of too I left. It was up that vice, you know, and
I just thought it was a star moving and stopping at the time, when
I was sort of eight nine years old, I think it was rough roughly
about it that time. It was only sort of when I got to my
teens later on I started realizing what stars were. You know, you start
to understand more stars and you think all the stars don't do that. So
what was that I saw? I don't know. It was certainly before the
days of satellites flying around, you know, because they came along sort of
like the late fifties into the early sixties, and then satellites don't move and
stop either, so and we certainly didn't have any helicop you know, the
many helicops respect then as well. So some people tend to argue that fact
that they had hidden technology that we are not aware of in the government,
and because I know that they're even with the whole moon landing and the argument
about whether that was legitimate or not, that supposedly there wasn't technology available in
order for them to accomplish that feat. And so there's this argument that you
see, I've got I've got I've got an opinion on that because I was
actually working a lot of space space technology back in the in the mid sixty
that was that was, that was my job. That was, So tell
me, what are your thoughts my apprenticeship when in nineteen sixty six sixty seven
I spent so well, I was always the In fact it was there's my
lifetime job actually fact working on military electronics. That's where I started off.
And I saw back then what the capabilities were of working on the space equipment.
I worked on a few space projects myself on the electronic side of it,
and then later and I was on the AC one thirties, So I
said, there was all TV laser equipment. So I do they did have
the technology back then. I think a lot of this, I mean my
own personal opinion that once ago again is I think a lot of this problem
that people have with this space program and landing on the Moon is that the
fact that it was fifty yards years ago or sixty and people find it hard
to believe that we've gone through that and then we haven't gone back again.
And I think, you know, the children have been born within this,
you know, from the seventies eighties on woods, and they can't actually understand
that the fact that, well, why haven't we've been back again, Well
we've not needed to. And I can actually understand how they've lost not lost
the technology, but they used old technology to do it, you know.
And the fact that I don't think we if we wanted to do it again.
Now we've got to start from scratch again with new technology. You know,
it's um and of course people when I know in my own job,
for instance, when I was working on the AC one thirties, there was
quite a team of us working on the equipment, but it got to a
point later on when people drifted away and left the job and whatever, and
I was actually the only one working on the job in the end. And
I knew post side of it, like the electronic side and the mechanical sciences,
massive police of equipment when on the AE authorities, and so I can
understand quite easily how they lose the capability of I'm doing it basically because if
I had have gone at the time, there was a particular sign when I
was working on it. If I'd have gone, they'd have had nobody that
knew how to do the Yeah, crazily that the cold this equipment. So
you know, so I can understand how there are those that capability, although
not necessarily I don't think they actually lost that equipment to be able to get
to the moon. I think they just lost the main power capability. I'm
sure they had all the information and everything for it, you know, So
that's that's just that's just my opinion. Well I believe they were to them,
yes, and it wasn't just once, it was six times. So
okay, Well then you had a major upo stating many years later in nineteen
sixty seven, when you were living in Baskeldon, Essex, Right, Yeah,
that's right, yeah, which is not too far from where I live
now, And so I moved to Suffolk and I'll moved back here again.
Yeah. I was walking home from my girlfriend's house early hours of what it
was probably mid early hours of morning, and as I'm walking down the street,
there's actually it was basically it's like country setting. It's not like in
the middle of a big city or anything, but a country, rural setting.
So I'm walking down the road towards my home and I saw this big
orange oval the object going across the sky, completely silent. It wasn't a
bright orange. It was like an incandescent orange, and it was different shades
of orange. If you can understand that, it wasn't one continuous orange.
It's very difficult to explain it, but at that time it was definitely wasn't
an airplane, and it was quite big in the sky and I was saying
oval. It was an oval shape, but I mean it may well have
been round for all I know. If it was on its side, it
would look oval. So as I said, I don't know what that is.
Well, I did actually track down a book a while back called Excuse
Me a Moment, The Complete Story of the Worldwide Invasion of Orange Alves,
and the man that wrote it was a man named Terry Raid. Yeah.
I managed to get Terry Rail my show You're checked him down to get it
with more show and interesting, quite quite an interesting show. You These orange
obs have been seen all over the world, actually for many years, but
it seems like from the dates that I've got in this book, I must
have seen an earlier one, because one was in sixty seven. Most of
the reports I've seen here sort of after that. So that was quite interesting
thing. I mean, he's got a darker array of orangebs on the cover,
but I only saw the one you know he's got. He's got luck
in a V shape here. I've always wondered because different different sightings have warranted
different shapes and sizes. And I had a gentleman by the name of Russ
Kellett. I don't know if you've ever heard of him, but he's out
of the UK two and he had he was an abductee and he had he
was on my show and he was telling me how are different shapes and sizes
of so Yeah, that there are different shapes and sizes of UFOs because they
come from different parts of the universe. That was his, Yeah, his
explanation for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Well,
you and your wife were living in Suffolk. You discovered that you were living
near rendall Sham Forest and orders where the famous nineteen eighty uff place. Yeah,
tell us about that. That's actually quite quite intriguing story that built up
from that. Actually I found those living near Rendelshore Forest. How this all
came about. I mean, I've done about UFOs for for many years,
right, and I've read about the UFO incident in nineteen eighteen of the r
fire as they called the Rendals from Forest, and I've heard all the stories
and there are the tapes by Colonel Holt and everything else like that. And
it was in nineteen sorry, it was in twenty fifteen. I think that
twenty fourteen. I heard there was a conference taking place at Woodbridge and that
who was going to be appearing. There was Colonel Hole himself and a lady
I think Brenda Butler was going to be lest She wrote a book called sky
Crash, and I went along to this conference not knowing what my future was
going to be getting involved in this, you know. It's one thing led
to another, and I ended up being very good friends with Colonel Hole,
believe it or not. But that that came a bit later. On that
particular night. I actually sort of managed to say hello to him and said
I wanted to meet you for twenty yeard years, I think, I said.
I think I used to tell thirty years at the time, but it
may not have been thirty years. It was probably a little bit less than
that. I also got talking to Brenda Butler and I ended up talking I
don't have people. She wrote a book called sky Crash, and that was
the first book on the Reynalds from incident, believe it or not. And
we kind of got talking and I ended up helping her put a stuff away
in the car. But an incident appeared out of that. That actual occurrence,
I was actually sitting next to somebody named Andrew Ross. He was a
Scotsman who come down from Scotland. Okay, now this who bear with me
on this story. Now. The next day, the man who organ was
this conference was putting out a story that somebody had stolen a photograph from from
off of his stand and it was by a nammen, a man named Andrew
Ross. And I'm looking, I'm thinking about I need to put up a
photo on Facebook of this Andrew Ross. And I had to get intap with
him to say that is not the Andrew Ross that I was talking to.
The Andrew Ross who I was talking to a sitting who actually showed me the
photo on the night y actually showed me this photo and then he said to
me, oh, I've just got this from over there. He was a
scot in the Scottish accent, and he showed me this eliminated photograph and I
said to him at the time, I said, oh what they give it?
Those always stupidly, you know, And actually what it was he'd actually
pinched it. He had stolen it from you know, if you want to
use them, and stolen it was only a laminate, eliminated photograph of a
hole. Put it away in his bag and that was that. But of
course the next day this another person who was named Andrew Ross, also was
being accused of stealing this photo. So I don't know how this person got
older than Andrew Ross. Interesting, I got in touch with the person who
run this confidence. I said, look, you're you're using this. You're
accusing this person of stealing this photograph. And it wasn't him, it was
and it was actually another Andrew Ross who I was sitting next to because he
showed me the photo. Anyway, this is how I kind of got connected
with Colonel Holt in the end, because I came I got quite friendly for
a while with this person and renders Conference, which unfortunately was an that's a
bit another big mistake in my life. But but eventually I I don't know
how to go into this. Really, I got involved in the investigation into
somebody else whoho was claiming to have been involved in the Rendersham incident. We
got involved in a three year investigation into him. It was somebody who wrote
the book with somebody else called Left Eastcate, and that person was Larry Warren.
Now it's not it's okay we mentioned in the name because it's been out
there that Larry Warren is quite a well known fraud actually anyway, we got
involved in a three year investigation into him because on the night with the kind
of codel Holt conference in Woodbridge, he was saying that Larry Warren was out
there. People at that time were getting quite upset about it because Larry Warren
had been quite a well known figure in the field and and you know,
because of this book left at Eastgate, you know, and eventually it was
actually withdrawn when the information that we came up with was presented to his co
author Peter Robbins, he actually got the book withdrawn from publication over it.
Yeah, I mean, there's not many books to get withdrawn for publication,
sure, I mean, obviously it's a it's a lot more. There was
a lot more involved in all that, unfortunately, would take quite a while
to sort of unravel at it all and try and explain it all. But
Larry Warren wasn't actually fully trained, so he could never have been where he
was and what he was what he was because he's been it was only in
fut in the Air Force for less than ten months, and a lot of
people don't realize that. When the story goes out here, you know,
his story, it makes it look like he was in the Air Force for
years, but he wasn't. It was less since ten months. He was
only just past his basic training when he was and basically straight from basic training
in the US. He was sent to Suffolk Randlesham and the event only happened
a few days after he had appeared on the base. So you know,
he says he was on guard duty at some remote part of pent Warders where
pent Words and Woodbridge is where the event took place. Invent Now, which
is Inventers from Forest. He came out of the story that he went out
on with the group on the third night, and basically what he did he
used the story of Adrian Bustinza's story, who actually was involved in on the
night, but he didn't want to get involved in it. You know,
as I say, it's quite a long, complicated story to try and explain
it in you know, within a few a few minutes really on the radio
show. But what happened was I got invited on a few other radio shows
about so and this is why I ended up on my own radio show in
the end, because that's what I was going to ask you how that came
about. Yeah, Well, Nelssary came about I was on a few other
radio shows. I think the first one over there was on the Canadian radio
show about this investigation, and I did a few others I got involved with.
There was a lady named Sasha Christie was still we're still good friends.
Sasha Christie knew Larry Warren for about ten years, right, and I,
of course, because of this Larry Warren controversy that was going on, I
got brief friendly with Sasha. And it was somebody else, I just think
Dunlop who was a Scottish She runs the Scottish SPI events. And there was
another Scottish chap but I got involved with was James Francis Wilsh. Now we
all started we were all kind of investigators around, right, but we had
little bits and pieces and we started doing our own investigations into Larry Warren and
the things we found out unbelievable really because we were all basically at some point
friends with Larry Warren. You know. Certainly Sasha she knew for ten years
and a lot of the things. Yeah, well sheum he was actually living
with her, not living as he actually what she actually did was she was
living in Leeds at the time the same place as Larry Warren was living,
and she had to move out of her place. I mean, Larry Warren
actually got thrown out of his deeks because he did wasn't paying his rent or
whatever for whatever reason. And she took him in and he was sleeping on
the sofa in a living room because she had a partner. She had to
move out because the person who who owned the house asie, so she had
to get an out of the place. So she ended up living in Liverpool,
and Larry Warren actually moved with her, believe it or not, and
he was still sleeping on the sofa in in Liverpool with Sessha and her partner
and children and everything. Well. Eventually Larry Warren got thrown out from Sessha's
house because of certain things that happened. Her partner told him to leave and
which I won't go into because it's a rather seed horrible thing to the reasons
he got thrown out for. So you said, eventually Larry was evicted from
Sasha's house. Yeah, she got in. She asked him to leave here
because there was some horrible things going on and he was sort of a drinker
and he come on drunken and shouted and which was not very nice, especially
sure she got children and everything anyway. So but before that, a few
of the things that Larry had been coming out with during the time that he
was living in her in her house, she began to say, well,
they don't sort of match up with what he said before, with his story
about being involved in the rendersham Uropo incident. So she started questioning things that
were going on, and some of the things that she was investigating it didn't
seem to but he would. One of the one of the stories that he
came out with was what the CIA or the Security Service anyway, that he
couldn't get his service records because they had kept them away. And but Sasha
found out that he could get, you said, his service records. All
he had to do was applied for them. So that was another thing that
in the book was actually ridiculed, you know, it was actually found to
be untrue. So that was just kind of one of the first little things
that started to make her suspicious type of thing, you know. And then
he started coming up with other amazing stories about a big foot sighting that he
had when he was with his mother in the States, and it's it's the
most amazing bigfoot sighting that you've ever heard of, you know. So there
was one thing right after another, apparently, so you're crazy stories. So
I'm coming to understand that it was this revelation that this person that was somebody
you associated with and considered a friend, was a force. And is this
what led you to do your paranormal dimensions where you could bring forth reveals to
the public of things that you felt were untrue or tell us how that happened.
Not so much that, but I mean it was because I appeared on
a few other radio shows. One radio show that I appeared on, he
said to me after the show, would you like your own show? And
I said, I've never really thought about it. So I asked my wife,
I said, what do you think. I said that they've offered online
show, and I said, I've never thought about doing a radio show before.
So she said, well, give it goes, see how it goes.
I said, well, okay, oh say yes to them. Anyway.
I said, yeah, okay, they'll give it a go. And
I just happened to know Irene Irene the runs out of radio the po UK
radio said. I mentioned it to her, and she said, you're a
radio show. I'll give you a radio show if you'll come and come on
too. I said, oh, okay, didn't so I had to say
no to the other networkers and I joined the po UK radio network. But
year was that, Wow, I think there was twenty twenty nineteen. I
think there was maybe the end of twenty eighteen, so I think it was
probably the end of twenty eighteen. I started Mind at the beginning of twenty
nineteen. So tell the listeners what it is that your show is about.
What do you put on your show for everybody out there? Well, very
much like yours, I would deal in anything that's paranormal basically. The first
show it did was actually with Sasha and we covered a lot of what the
Render from Forest UFO incident. My next second, my second guest was Malcolm
Robinson, who deals in UFOs and ghosts and all sorts of things and the
Lockness Monster, all sorts of things like that. I started out doing a
two hour show. Actually, the first three shows I did for two hours,
and I found that maybe they were just a little bit too long sometimes,
and I sort of cut down. Rather than doing two hours every week,
I said, I said, I'd do an hour every week, and
Sarah, it goes from there, and that's kind of how it developed.
Really, I started doing an hour show. We had I've had all sorts
of different guests on. It makes sense that the people that you have on,
especially at the beginning, you're going to go to people that you know,
people that you believe in, and then you get to a point where
you're looking for topics that are going to be interesting to the public. I
mean, it's exactly what I did. I put people that I knew on
that I was interested in their stories that I found believable. But then you
also have people on your show that you question and you did, well,
this is very interesting. It makes you think about it, and then it
makes you wonder what if or is it true? And so you want to
be this neutral person and put it out there and ask the right questions,
but then it leaves you with food for thought, and then you wonder.
So I kind of want your take on that. Also, because being on
this side of things, being the host, it allows you to venture into
areas I've never even thought about and hear stories and never even heard about.
Yeah. Well, so I mean I look at it as a fact that
I'm learning from this all the time as well. I think you'll find that,
you know, like you've probably found yourself that you get the challenge to
ask people to come on your show that you may never have got the self
to speak to because you can put yourself out there to them, and so
would you like you know, you can invite you know, some big names
of it on the show and just you know, and you may never have
got the chance to art to talk to these people. I've had one or
two people I've regreated every of the show. You probably have because it's a
real struggle sometimes to get to keep keep people talking and to keep the show
with some sort of momentum. You know, you might ask a questions some
of these people that if you're a very short answer, you've got to come
up with somebody else store. It can be a struggling but so it's luckily
I've been I've been very fortunate with most of my guests. That's suddenly happened
about two or three times. You know that I've not been able to support
keep keeping a momentum going. It's been a struggle, but most of them
been great. I met some really might look quite a lot of good friends
as as as you probably have as well. You know. Yeah, in
the beginning, it was me trying to figure out what I was going to
put on the show, who I was going to put on the show,
and trying to come up with those interesting guests. And now I'm finding that
people are reaching out to me and saying, I have somebody that would like
to be on your show. Here is what they want to talk about,
or this person wrote this book and they would love to be on your show,
which I find interesting and exciting because that means that people are listening in
on my program and are finding it appealing enough for them to want to put
themselves out there. And that is a helpful where you're finding guests as well.
But it can be difficult at times. It definitely can be trying.
Yeah, I mean, I do try to keep a list going people that
I'd like to get on the show, and I'll try to keep about three
months ahead, to be honest. So I'm asking these people saw months ahead.
Sometimes I think given them what they when, maybe they might be interesting
in coming on the show, or I've got a list now they'll probably going
about May June's on, so yes, which I try to get and sometimes
I don't work. You know, sometimes it's they can't make it all or
this, yeah, something happens, or something happens. But then you've always
got someone to fall back on to say, right, can you fill it
on that particular date, and I can lose you to keep them ticking over
that way. The way I'm at the moment, I've actually been doing some
where else are I'm doing my shows every two weeks now, I'm doing some
extras as well because I've got too many guests that will have come on some
sort of time, so I'm amber to do some extra shows there that's a
sort of film in and that's kind of what's been happening lately. Or someone
will be sick and I say, can we do it next week? So
I'm doing sort of one alf together. You're trying to shove off, yeah,
but it's working. It's working all right. What do you find was
your most favorite interview or interviews more? It could be more, very difficult,
I think. I think one of the probably one of the most special
shows I've done is just very recently when I had Jim Peniston and Gary Osborne
on the show. Both together they wrote a book called The Renders from Enigma.
You know. Also obviously we're about the Renders from event. But Gary
Osborne very rarely does interviews at all, one on radio. And because he
had written this book with gim he had done all the research everything, it
was great to get them both on together. That Jimpends apparently touched the craft
in renneshrom Woods forest, you know, and he had the binary download and
Gary's research found that he could never have made up that story because the doubt
the binary that he had written over sixteen pages in his notebook, he could
never have worked out what the results would be all these years later, you
know, forty two years later, so you know, so it's fascinating show.
I'd recommend if anyone wants to try to catch up with me and have
to listen to that show, I'd really recommend it because it's amazing. He
said that there was absolutely no way he could have made that up. That
he had to have seen where he actually did. Gary Usboard had done a
lot of research. He had been He's written books before about the Pyramids and
all the measurements and measuring lay lines and everything. Like that, and he
found that Jim Peniston could never have written down the binary code in his notebook
and come up with the results that he's gotten that Gary has come up with
now. He said it was just be impossible. He said, the code
actually proves itself. What's happened is because of the earth chill and the earth
wabble where everything there's the measurements come out and what's what's come out of the
binary code. It's very difficult to try and explain this to you with absolute
designs and everything, but the research it just shows you that he just could
not come up with those results. He expects it a lot better than like
in all the radio actually, but you need to listen to for about an
hour unfortunately. But the book itself is The Renders from Enigma Jim Penniston and
Gary Osborne. And Gary's got a second book coming out hopefully this year,
the follow up book, which explains more about the poinary code. You personally,
from your own experience and what you saw, you feel that there are
such things as your els from other planets. That's your tick on it.
Yeah, most definitely, whether they're from other planets. I've got second thoughts.
On that. I mean, I do believe your life on other planets,
but obviously if they could be thousands of years more revolved than us,
so there's no reason why they couldn't be visiting. But I've been thinking over
the last few years that things could actually be inter dimensional as well, and
I think, oh, okay, there's quite a lot of researchers now that
are thinking those similar lines as well. I mean, Jim's thought on that
the rendals from experience that he had is that they may well have been asked
from the future. You know that that's an interesting, entertaining fight. Yeah,
and Gary seems to think that could be a possibility because of some of
the results that he's coming up with, So who knows. In effect,
Gary's theory actually goes full circle the fact that they've they've come back from the
future, So I left this information and the information that he's writing is the
information that he's found that he wrote. Basically, it's kind of god full
circle, which makes which kind of makes sense because if his future self can
go back and tell his past self something that he needs to know, why
not do it? Yeah, it's crazy, really, it sort of makes
your head spin and you stop thinking about it. But so yeah, I
mean I say it's quite it's quite a possibility. I think. Another interesting
guest I had on I've actually a Colonel Holt on several times because he's he's
actually became a good friend of one. He's actually stayed in more home when
we living his suffer believe or not. After sort of just going to the
conference to meet him just that first time, he actually became quite a good
close friend as well. Ah, that's great, which which was amazing.
I mean, for anyone that doesn't know who Colonel Holt is. He actually
wrote the whole Memory and Them from the Base, which was about the UFOs
incidents from naineteen eighty. There's plenty of it on the internet out there.
He's been on all the UFO shows and things that you see. Yeah,
I mean the memordum that he wrote was actually never meant to have been released.
It he came out really must be investigators warns his name like I think
his name was that the writers of Clearing ten basically got the infant. Yeah,
I put into the public public domain basically, but it was never meant
to have been released. Neither was his tape that he made on the night.
Yeah. I mean again, that's there's a lot more to that story
than Okay, I actually said a few minutes on here, but here was
another good guest at on. I've also had another thing guests that was out
with Colonel Holt on that night. That was more no Levels, which is
another very rare interview which sort of opened the field. I said, they've
got some little differences in their opinion and what happened them night, but basically
they were really small differences. Really, excuse me, I've got to take
a drink. Can't that be out let folks enjoy? Oh? I mean,
all I have to say is he was another good guest I had on.
But I've had so many good guests it's amazing. Really. I guess
I never thought i'd actually get to talk to a lot of the time.
Same same okay, Yeah, I mean you know that I deal with ghosts
because that's what started when I was writing. Yeah, and when I I
mean, I've had experiences with UFO as my kids spotted them in our backyard
and there was a whole incident. They came running in when they were out
there night swimming, and I had them sit in separate areas of the house
their friend and the two girls and gave them paper and writing utensils so that
they could draw what it was that they saw, because I wanted to see
if they had actually seen the same thing. And when I looked at the
pictures, it was undeniably the same craft. And I wrote about it in
my first book, and actually put the pictures that they drew in the book
too, so that the public could see it. But my whole thing was
to write about ghosts because I've been sensitive to spirits since I was a kid,
and I owned a haunted shop in town, and I know every area
is haunted. That's an undeniable fact. I lived in the Bronx and my
house was haunted, and I lived now in Sussex County and it's haunted.
So that's what got me started running them out the books. But when I
was writing that first book, people were coming out of the woodworks with their
own stories of UFOs in Sussex County where I lived, and they were coming
out of the woodwork with stories about Bigfoot in the area. So that's actually
why I ended up putting the other stream phenomena part into the title, because
I can't write a ghost story and include Bigfoot and UFOs, so that other
strange phenomena part of the title allowed me to do those chapters as well.
And I've continued in that same respect because all the areas that I write about,
people do come out with UFO and Bigfoot stories, and I find that
very fascinating and for me, it was really only that kind of center.
And now as a host of these shows, people are coming out of the
woodwork with other cryptids that I've never even heard of, and other things that,
like you said, interdimensional and time travel and that sort of thing.
And I find it so interesting because when I was a kid reading books that
people wrote just to entertain you, I found it really fascinating and fun.
And now these people are coming to me and saying, no, it's real
here, this is what I found out, and I love to just listen
to it. But I was a huge fan of In Search Of and Unsolved
Mysteries when I was a kid, and so it makes sense that I would
find that interesting today, and as a host, I want to interview people
that could share stories like that with the public. Yeah, Oh, here's
some of the stories that you do here are they're really unbelievable, and it's
so unbelisual. They've got to be true, you know, because who can
think some of these things up. That's the way I find I told you
I was I told him about to tell you the story when I was a
child didn't work up. And this purple miss coming into the room. I
must have been probably about eighteen months old, and it's help to tell I
don't know. I was probably on the verge of just learning to talk and
stuff like that. And remember this stuck with you all these years later.
Yeah, and it stuck with me all those years. You're right, and
it scared me so death. And it's this purple miss coomes swarming into the
room, came right up to me and all around the room, and I'm
screaming from you from my father came reads the room, basically, and he
couldn't see this purpose but Spo was still there, and I'm basically saying,
so maybe they're agrige, I guess, can't you see it? You know?
And he can't see this. It's known that children are extremely receptive to
spirit, and they kind of lose that as they get older because the the
world around them influences so many things. If you're nurtured to understand that as
a child, then you take it with you. But for me, I
was five, maybe even four when it started, because my room was on
the main floor of the house, and that is we had this spirit resided,
and we had a brief conversation you and I about how spirit presents itself
too. It's strange how some come in this mist some come in a full
bodied apparition that looks so realistic to you that they're standing there, and then
some come as shadow. For him. The spirit I had in my home
was definitely a tall male, but all I could see of him was a
black shadow, and I actually started calling him Uncle Paul. I don't know
why I was calling him Uncle Pole. I did have an uncle Paul that
died before I was born, never met him, but for some reason I
called him Uncle Paul. And I was terrified at him coming into my room.
He would come from the living room and walk into my room and stand
at the edge of my bed. I didn't know it then that he was
just trying to get my attention. I know that now, but Mom would
say, oh, it was just a dream. So here I was dealing
with Mom saying it was a dream. I could see he was there.
I was scared. So I find it very intriguing how they come in different
ways. We spoke about the mist, you and I. I know my
dad came to me as a mist when I was having a mommy and mean
moment with my daughter. And then I had an experience with a mist in
the minds here locally in Sussex County that was interacting with my group. It
was so intriguing. We all took videos, and I sent one of the
videos from the group into a local show called Paranormal Quote on Camera, and
they actually featured it on their show. So I find it very intriguing that
they come in different forms. I don't know if it's their energy is not
strong enough to do one way as opposed to another. I'm not sure what
it is, but I've experienced quite a different array of spiritual encounters and I
haven't got an explanation for it. I'm not trying to convince anybody of it.
It's my experience. You want me to tell you about it, I'll
tell you about it, and I'll share it with you. Believe me or
not. I don't really care. It happened to me. I know what
I experienced. I'm not trying to convince anybody. And that's kind of how
I look at it. That's any way you can look at it. I
mean, my questions are, was there any significance in the color of this
miss because it was a really I'll still remember it was really dark purple.
Now I've been sold that when you dream, you dream in black or white.
We don't don't think it's true. We don't think. Oh, I
remember a lot of dreams are in color, but this particularly, and also
at the age I was, I didn't know what ghosts were or anything like
that. So to see this miscome swirl again and swirling around them around me,
I need to go back out the door again. When my father came
in, what was it? I don't know. Yeah, the fact that
you were eighteen months old and you actually could understand the purple that may have
been something. It may have been something that came back to you as you
were older, when you're recollecting on it, that you see in your mind
what you saw, and that's how you associated that purple mist. For me,
the mist was just kind of like some have likened it to ectoplasm.
I don't know that I would call it ectoplasm either, for it was just
this foggy mist, and it was an interactive mist in the minds. We
would ask it to do, to show itself again, and it would,
whereas the one with my dad, how I knew it was my dad,
I just knew. And it came into the room and swirled around. At
first I actually thought it was the house on fire. That's what I thought
it was until I got up to go to the door and it came in
and it whirled around the room and then went out the wall, so it
had no color. Though you can see it was like a controlled thing.
Is it like it was a huge yea. It was some sort of intelligence
to it because it throwed round and then it all way out together smoked.
Smoke usually dispersed, it doesn't it go all different directions, but this was
only one ally, one direction, as if it was something floating through the
air exactly. And like I said, I was just sitting there having a
Mummy in me moment. So my first reaction when I turned to see it,
I thought the house was on fire. But when I actually stood up
to look and see what it was. That's when I realized, oh,
no, that's not what it is. It's something different. And like you
said, it was definitely interactive and controlled, where as if it were smoked
it would have dispersed as you say. So that's what made me realize,
no, this is something different. And like I said, I don't know
if my father put that in my mind, it's me, it's dad,
because the day he died, he came to me, he let me know
he passed. So he's come to me many times over the years since his
passing, but the first initial connection he and I had was the day that
he died. And that's kind of all what was a reawakening for me too.
Spiritually, that's what made me realize, you know, you can send
spirit go and do something about it. You know, you have a mission
and you just have to figure out what it is. And that was the
start of it all for me. Really. Yeah, I mean I did
say to you before that, so it could well have been well, don't
know who, certainly conjecture it could well have been one of my grandfathers because
both my friends. Sure well I was very young or you know, I
never knew my grandfathers because you know, basically when I was young. And
it also could have been the lady that rented the house to us, because
she died round about that time as well, So maybe because she lived downstairs
and we lived upstairs. I never knew her either, but apparently she died
around about that time, so maybe she was having a last round. Who
knows, you know, one of them coming to look in on the baby.
They liked children and small children, and I know that it's very common
for her babies to be looking up and staring at the ceiling and ogling and
googling and smiling, and it's not making sense to parents what the heck are
they looking at? So it's very possible that they came to just check in
and see check you out. Maybe What did your dad say when you spoke
to him several years later and said, well, he just said, oh,
yeah, I remember that when you talking about that, He did,
yeah, you remembered it, and I said, yeah, I can still
remember it clearly now that it was a purple misslide around And he said,
I couldn't see anything that was like you know, so that was But I
suppose he didn't wonder what was going on this world at the same time.
Does if he do remember, you remember it as well, so it must.
Yeah, that's significant for sure. Have you had any other paranormal experiences
since then? Did you realize that you yourself are sensitive to spirit in some
way, shape or form. I don't regard myself as being sensitive whatsoever.
But in later years I didn't go start going to our Spiritus churches and I
was told by a medium that I've got some healing pals. Now, whether
that's interesting, I don't know. I've actually tried it a couple of times,
and I did learn to read the aura. I can actually see the
aura around people. So I can only usually see a color. Yeah,
a lot of gray color around but kensie aura but nothing. I don't regard
myself as being sensitive at all, but saying that, I wonder. I
absolutely, but I wonder if because you've been able to learn the color of
auras, maybe that purple is significant for the aura of that spirit that you
saw. Because I've seen that that missed and have not seen color. Maybe
that has something to do with it. Yeah, maybe it was only because
I was talking to a medium many years ago, before I started getting involved
with radio shows and stuff like that. To meet somebody I used to work
with. It was actually a medium, believe it or not, And he
started saying about if you if you look at your hand, hold it up
and look at stair in between, you'll actually start to see the aura around
your fingers. And I started seeing it. And you know, it's not
an imagination thing either, because you can actually see it a lot if you
actually concentrate on it. I think anyone can. Have you ever learned Have
you ever learned anything about the different colors? Is purple a significant color?
Or no? No, I never got that far into it. As I
say, all I can see is like a gray shape around the aura.
Really, not as far as my psychic at this go, as far as
I know, apart from an e fact that we all get these senses about
when you're walking, because sense an atmosphere and all that sort of thing,
or you thinking about or you could be thinking about somebody and all suddenly will
phone you and what's all that sort of stuff? Even the inevitable tension in
the room. If you feel that tension, you're feeling something. You're feeling
somebody's mood. But it would be interesting to find out if purple is a
significant color in the aura world. I don't know anything about it. I've
asked several psychics if they know what the purple means, and nobody really can
give me an answer. Things about relate, I mean, my wife is
always saying, I was just thinking I'll say something if you said I was
just thinking that you've done it again, you know, So there must be
something going on mentally between us. But the amount of times I've been thinking
about someone's thinking oh, I must phone them, I must phone them,
and all of a sudden the phone will go as them yeah, yeahs And
then all sudden I was just thinking about you. I was just gonna call
you. What the amount of times just happened. To believe it, It's
unbelievable. It's true, very true. So what's in store for you now
ahead? I mean, I know you told me you were doing a monthly
show what's going over gas? But yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm
doing another monthly show as well, which is entirely different to the p a
UK radio shows. But it's intirely you know, they're not. I'm not
using the same show to go on that as well. It's just another separate
scene really, But that's just one a month, so see how it goes
and what comes a bit and if they want more of it, that's that's
that's interesting. I've had all the pa UK but it's a completely different show
again on there, you know. Yeah, I don't know how long that
will last for it's for the absolutely this magazine. But my prime position in
the radio show is actually is for po UK Radio. That's more. You
know, if it came choice between the two, the po UK Radio would
be the one that I would go for. You know, it's as similar
as that really, m Um, Yeah, I think that's only fair were
of doing it. But yeah, I mean, well, I'm often going
to conferences and things, and I've got several coming up this year. I
was stopping off to speak at a place in June, I believe it is.
It's for the East Anglia Essex East Anglier group. They want me to
do a talk, so I'll be doing that. I'll think about the end
of the time. I understand why you would go to things like that.
If you're asked to speak, for sure, that's an understandable reason. Why
would you go to these events otherwise to make connections or just to find out
interesting topics or what because I'm interesting in the people that they're doing the talks
themselves. You know. I love, you know, to hear that the
actual people that may I've not got. You know, I've met quite a
few people that at these conferences and I've asked them if they'd like to come
on the show in the past, you know, to get them. So
Rob Thompson was recent, which was actually quite He's quite a world name in
the field of on the ghost shows, on the offices on Discovery somewhere.
But so yeah, he came on the show a little while ago. We're
here weekly. It was a last week. So I've had quite a few,
you know, sort of well known names on and I've got a few
more plans though the waiting. I'm going to Manchester in the August, i
think it is, and there's another one called the what's it called in September.
There's another two week one where there's some US visitors coming over. He's
got a good lineup going on. Yeah, it's a good whole thing.
The people that are coming now. I love when you post stuff when you're
trying to just take things apart, when you say, look at this,
why why do you think it's so true? I love when you do that.
I'm always tuning into what you're posting. I love that stuff too.
Yeah. Well, I mean this question is to be asked all the time,
and I think rather than me saying this is there, I'll just put
it up and say, you mate, your own mind about you. I've
got mine mind about it. And I think it's also less of a chance
to game bagged as well. I think I think it's great to create a
justifiable argument for people to discuss, and then people can come to the forum
and say this is why I agree, this is why I disagree, and
it certainly gives you food for thought. It definitely puts your mind at work
to say, h let me see what I think about this, And it
makes for good entertainment to say the least. Yeah. Yeah, a whole
Facebook. I think most of this year, I think I've been banned because
of been a little bit controversial. What are they laughed about a Facebook for
days on end and then you get to come back on, well, line
back. They didn't like what I said this time. So tell the tell
the listeners what your Facebook is and how they can find you on social media.
I'm sure they would love to find you on social media and different platforms.
Yeah, well I've got I've got a page to supposed to radio show
the Paranormal Dimensions. So if you probably if you go to Facebook and put
Paranormal Dimensions, you should come across the show page. You can just find
me the Davey Young probably just as look for a photo of me, and
I don't know, probably there's probably but you can look up for. But
I mentioned if you just put Davy Jung and the link me to the Paranormal
Dimensions, you should be able to find me. All right, I've got
Instagram. I have you going to TikTok and all that too, TikTok.
I don't use really Instagram. I've got a page on the Instagram, but
I'll really use it, to be honest, I don't use Twitter because I
don't. I can't quite get my head around Twitter. I always want to
say more than you're all aout to sail on you you really get a few
I want to write sentences and they can't do it, you know. True.
I did actually start whatever shows on Twitter, and I thought, well
it was just pointless really a lot of the time, So really, I
just sort of concentrate on Facebook most of the time. I didn't get bad
for it, but yeah, but I mean if they will also looked me
up on Facebook, they can always get in touch with you. I'm on
your friends list, so they can look me up from there content. That's
right, they can. And I'm gonna put the links on the show blurb
too so that they can find you there as well. Yeah. I've got
another couple of pages, so I've got the render from Forest oh I think
the name of it there, Sorry, I started going to it. I've
got an SPI page, which is It's Strange Phenomenate Investigations Essex and Eastern,
which is I kind of put that up, but I really do anything.
I kind of wait for people to come along and say to me, I've
got this game, got that going on. But I think actually said to
actually sat up an investigation, see work, I could sort of go and
investigate things. I just do the occasional ghost hunt like everyone else does now,
like you do, but really with other people's ghost hunts, you know.
But yeah, I've been getting into doing a lot of collaborations too.
I mean, we have my core group of paranormal investigators that we call the
New Jersey Spirit Hunters because before, if you remember, we were formally called
the Lady Ghostbusters, and now I have quite a few men in the group,
so as a group, we came up with the New Jersey Spirit Hunter
name just because we have men equal as many women and I'm fine with that,
and we are this core group. But we do have collaborative efforts with
other paranormal groups, which is fun too because you get to see their methods
and how they go about doing an investigation and you meet new people. I
did a paracron last year, which I've never done before, was called the
Sleepy Hollow para Con, which is organized by Chris Sanders, and I might
end up going back and doing it again this year, but last year was
my first year doing it, and it was very interesting to meet so many
other paranormals in the area and exchange information, and aside from it being good
for contacts and people you might want to have on your show, it was
just nice to meet other people that are like minded and do possible investigations with
down the line. Yeah, I don't know if you find what I find.
Most of the people that I get friendly with so I'll get to know
there are balls away sort the other end of the country. I know,
I know the great Great Britain's look gigantic, but there's still a few hundred
balls away a distance surest most of the people I sort of really get friendly
with. There's there's one of two people look seventy balls away, you know,
which is not too bad. It so wonderful. It's as easy as
you'd like it to be, you know, wonderful. Have the power of
modern technology where I can speak to you all the way over in the UK
just by a push on the computer button, which is nice because in a
world fifteen twenty years ago it wasn't possible. So which nice to be able
to true. Yeah, And also if you ever get the chance to come
over to the UK, you'll was welcome. Thank you. I appreciate that.
And the same thing, the same thing when you come over to the
States. You know, Mark and I Mark Johnson and I are neighbors.
We live in the same county. Just got a show with Mark actually,
which will be coming out in a couple of weeks. Very nice. Interesting
because Mark's coming over in the fogus I think it is. Is he all
good for you. So hopefully I'll get to meet it as well. Ah,
that's nice. So you must see a few photos of we Oh,
I would love that. That that's he's coming out to the cur as well.
And ye get together, so wonderful. That's great. Absolutely, Oh,
have a great time you guys. Well, thank you so much for
coming on the show today. This is very interesting to actually delve into your
background and what it is that makes you tick and what's got you started in
your show. So I really do appreciate that. Yeah, I hope it
wasn't too confusing. Unfortunately, well off, he's quite confusing. Most of
whose whose isn't? But thank you so much for coming on. I really
appreciate it. It's pretty bad pleasure. Thank you, And to listeners that
are out there. If you enjoyed this week's episode and you're into all things
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