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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Hello world, you're listening to Eleanor

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Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on
the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we're

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always creeping it real. I'm your
host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to

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my paranormal Closet where the stories in
magic take place. Today's guest is one

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of Paranormal UK's own and I'm thrilled
to have him on. Please join me

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and welcoming Paranormal Dimensions host David Young. Hi, David, I'm so glad

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that you're here. We're going to
cover your UFO stuff before we get into

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the paranormal stuff. And I remember
you saying it was around twenty ten that

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a project you were working on was
decommissioned and that project was suddenly done and

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over width. But if anything came
of it, it was this interest to

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visit the area. When you realize
that just down the coast, about an

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hour or so was to call the
Florida's Gulf Breeze, which apparently was the

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site of a great UFO flap that
you had heard about the Gulf Breeze sightings,

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and the man who wrote this book
was in waters was a name I

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couldn't remember before we spoke, Did
you say something about it wasn't really you

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don't think it actually happened. Well, I know there was several people that

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saw things, but like, I
mean, let's just go back to where

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I came into this. I was
sent over to like the Pensacola area from

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my work back in just after nineteen
eleven. Actually it has when just before

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the Cold Wars were breaking up.
And when I found out that I was

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just down the coast from Golf Breeze, I thought I'd take a little drive

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down there, which was not far. I'd actually driven through there and actually

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from Pensacola to Fort warm Beach without
realizing it, to be honest, and

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I thought i'd take a little drive
down then and see what the area was

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like, because it's kind of on
the cold from Mexico and all in the

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area is really I was quite fascinating
just to see the area. But I

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did actually realize that there's a lot
of aircraft light around the area from help

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At Field, which is where I
was working on the acy thirties, and

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I do a lot of laser work
on the I was actually working on that

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equipment, which was the all TV
equipment, which was actually used for talking

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in the terrorists, if you want
to call them the terrorists anyway. I

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believe that despite as if there's a
UFO in that area, which they may

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well have been. I do believe
in UFOs. I've seen them. I'll

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tell you a bit about that a
bit later. But I believed that particular

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golf breeze thing with Edwaters. I
don't believe that that was actually not because

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he was actually found with a fake
UFO in his garage. I believe they

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had a model. Now his story
is that he made the model after seeing

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the UFO. Maybe that's true,
but it's kind of a little bit suspicious,

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isn't it. Isn't it when you
find that someone's got a model in

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their garage, you know, certain
the story goes. But yeah, I

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mean that was I think it was
nineteen eighty eight, wasn't it. I

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believe that I think it was.
It was definitely was definitely definitely the Yeah,

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when the story broke and my own
personal belief, I mean, it's

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only my own personal belief. I
believe that that wasn't actually a really big

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but saying that it doesn't mean that
there's not UFOs being seen in the area,

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but other people, you know,
it's quite sure. I've had my

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own experiences with UFOs myself. And
you said your first encounter was in like

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nineteen fifty or fifty nine with an
unidentified flying object while you were sitting on

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the front steps of your home in
London, right, Yeah, when I

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was a child, I was sitting
on moss before we actually moved to Essex

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in England. Here, I was
actually sitting on the steps looking at looking

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up at the stars, as children
do well anyway, just sort of imagining

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what they were. Basically, I
didn't really understand what stars were, to

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be honest, it is sort of
and all of a sudden I've noticed there

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was a star moving and stopping and
moving and stopping, and it was sort

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of too I left. It was
up that vice, you know, and

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I just thought it was a star
moving and stopping at the time, when

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I was sort of eight nine years
old, I think it was rough roughly

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about it that time. It was
only sort of when I got to my

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teens later on I started realizing what
stars were. You know, you start

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to understand more stars and you think
all the stars don't do that. So

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what was that I saw? I
don't know. It was certainly before the

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days of satellites flying around, you
know, because they came along sort of

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like the late fifties into the early
sixties, and then satellites don't move and

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stop either, so and we certainly
didn't have any helicop you know, the

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many helicops respect then as well.
So some people tend to argue that fact

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that they had hidden technology that we
are not aware of in the government,

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and because I know that they're even
with the whole moon landing and the argument

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about whether that was legitimate or not, that supposedly there wasn't technology available in

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order for them to accomplish that feat. And so there's this argument that you

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see, I've got I've got I've
got an opinion on that because I was

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actually working a lot of space space
technology back in the in the mid sixty

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that was that was, that was
my job. That was, So tell

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me, what are your thoughts my
apprenticeship when in nineteen sixty six sixty seven

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I spent so well, I was
always the In fact it was there's my

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lifetime job actually fact working on military
electronics. That's where I started off.

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And I saw back then what the
capabilities were of working on the space equipment.

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I worked on a few space projects
myself on the electronic side of it,

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and then later and I was on
the AC one thirties, So I

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said, there was all TV laser
equipment. So I do they did have

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the technology back then. I think
a lot of this, I mean my

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own personal opinion that once ago again
is I think a lot of this problem

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that people have with this space program
and landing on the Moon is that the

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fact that it was fifty yards years
ago or sixty and people find it hard

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to believe that we've gone through that
and then we haven't gone back again.

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And I think, you know,
the children have been born within this,

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you know, from the seventies eighties
on woods, and they can't actually understand

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that the fact that, well,
why haven't we've been back again, Well

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we've not needed to. And I
can actually understand how they've lost not lost

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the technology, but they used old
technology to do it, you know.

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And the fact that I don't think
we if we wanted to do it again.

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Now we've got to start from scratch
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it's um and of course people when
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for instance, when I was working
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quite a team of us working on
the equipment, but it got to a

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point later on when people drifted away
and left the job and whatever, and

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I was actually the only one working
on the job in the end. And

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I knew post side of it,
like the electronic side and the mechanical sciences,

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massive police of equipment when on the
AE authorities, and so I can

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understand quite easily how they lose the
capability of I'm doing it basically because if

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I had have gone at the time, there was a particular sign when I

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was working on it. If I'd
have gone, they'd have had nobody that

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knew how to do the Yeah,
crazily that the cold this equipment. So

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you know, so I can understand
how there are those that capability, although

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not necessarily I don't think they actually
lost that equipment to be able to get

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to the moon. I think they
just lost the main power capability. I'm

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sure they had all the information and
everything for it, you know, So

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that's that's just that's just my opinion. Well I believe they were to them,

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yes, and it wasn't just once, it was six times. So

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okay, Well then you had a
major upo stating many years later in nineteen

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sixty seven, when you were living
in Baskeldon, Essex, Right, Yeah,

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that's right, yeah, which is
not too far from where I live

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now, And so I moved to
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Yeah. I was walking home from
my girlfriend's house early hours of what it

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was probably mid early hours of morning, and as I'm walking down the street,

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there's actually it was basically it's like
country setting. It's not like in

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the middle of a big city or
anything, but a country, rural setting.

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So I'm walking down the road towards
my home and I saw this big

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orange oval the object going across the
sky, completely silent. It wasn't a

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bright orange. It was like an
incandescent orange, and it was different shades

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of orange. If you can understand
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It's very difficult to explain it,
but at that time it was definitely wasn't

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an airplane, and it was quite
big in the sky and I was saying

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oval. It was an oval shape, but I mean it may well have

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been round for all I know.
If it was on its side, it

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would look oval. So as I
said, I don't know what that is.

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Well, I did actually track down
a book a while back called Excuse

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Me a Moment, The Complete Story
of the Worldwide Invasion of Orange Alves,

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and the man that wrote it was
a man named Terry Raid. Yeah.

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I managed to get Terry Rail my
show You're checked him down to get it

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with more show and interesting, quite
quite an interesting show. You These orange

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obs have been seen all over the
world, actually for many years, but

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it seems like from the dates that
I've got in this book, I must

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have seen an earlier one, because
one was in sixty seven. Most of

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the reports I've seen here sort of
after that. So that was quite interesting

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thing. I mean, he's got
a darker array of orangebs on the cover,

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but I only saw the one you
know he's got. He's got luck

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in a V shape here. I've
always wondered because different different sightings have warranted

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different shapes and sizes. And I
had a gentleman by the name of Russ

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Kellett. I don't know if you've
ever heard of him, but he's out

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of the UK two and he had
he was an abductee and he had he

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was on my show and he was
telling me how are different shapes and sizes

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of so Yeah, that there are
different shapes and sizes of UFOs because they

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come from different parts of the universe. That was his, Yeah, his

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explanation for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Well,

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you and your wife were living in
Suffolk. You discovered that you were living

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near rendall Sham Forest and orders where
the famous nineteen eighty uff place. Yeah,

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tell us about that. That's actually
quite quite intriguing story that built up

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from that. Actually I found those
living near Rendelshore Forest. How this all

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came about. I mean, I've
done about UFOs for for many years,

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right, and I've read about the
UFO incident in nineteen eighteen of the r

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fire as they called the Rendals from
Forest, and I've heard all the stories

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and there are the tapes by Colonel
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it was in nineteen sorry, it
was in twenty fifteen. I think that

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twenty fourteen. I heard there was
a conference taking place at Woodbridge and that

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who was going to be appearing.
There was Colonel Hole himself and a lady

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I think Brenda Butler was going to
be lest She wrote a book called sky

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Crash, and I went along to
this conference not knowing what my future was

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going to be getting involved in this, you know. It's one thing led

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to another, and I ended up
being very good friends with Colonel Hole,

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believe it or not. But that
that came a bit later. On that

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particular night. I actually sort of
managed to say hello to him and said

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I wanted to meet you for twenty
yeard years, I think, I said.

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I think I used to tell thirty
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may not have been thirty years.
It was probably a little bit less than

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that. I also got talking to
Brenda Butler and I ended up talking I

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don't have people. She wrote a
book called sky Crash, and that was

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the first book on the Reynalds from
incident, believe it or not. And

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we kind of got talking and I
ended up helping her put a stuff away

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in the car. But an incident
appeared out of that. That actual occurrence,

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I was actually sitting next to somebody
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Scotsman who come down from Scotland.
Okay, now this who bear with me

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on this story. Now. The
next day, the man who organ was

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this conference was putting out a story
that somebody had stolen a photograph from from

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off of his stand and it was
by a nammen, a man named Andrew

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Ross. And I'm looking, I'm
thinking about I need to put up a

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photo on Facebook of this Andrew Ross. And I had to get intap with

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him to say that is not the
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The Andrew Ross who I was talking
to a sitting who actually showed me the

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photo on the night y actually showed
me this photo and then he said to

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me, oh, I've just got
this from over there. He was a

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scot in the Scottish accent, and
he showed me this eliminated photograph and I

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said to him at the time,
I said, oh what they give it?

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Those always stupidly, you know,
And actually what it was he'd actually

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pinched it. He had stolen it
from you know, if you want to

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use them, and stolen it was
only a laminate, eliminated photograph of a

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hole. Put it away in his
bag and that was that. But of

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course the next day this another person
who was named Andrew Ross, also was

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being accused of stealing this photo.
So I don't know how this person got

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older than Andrew Ross. Interesting,
I got in touch with the person who

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run this confidence. I said,
look, you're you're using this. You're

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accusing this person of stealing this photograph. And it wasn't him, it was

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and it was actually another Andrew Ross
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showed me the photo. Anyway,
this is how I kind of got connected

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with Colonel Holt in the end,
because I came I got quite friendly for

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a while with this person and renders
Conference, which unfortunately was an that's a

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bit another big mistake in my life. But but eventually I I don't know

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how to go into this. Really, I got involved in the investigation into

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somebody else whoho was claiming to have
been involved in the Rendersham incident. We

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got involved in a three year investigation
into him. It was somebody who wrote

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the book with somebody else called Left
Eastcate, and that person was Larry Warren.

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Now it's not it's okay we mentioned
in the name because it's been out

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there that Larry Warren is quite a
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involved in a three year investigation into
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of codel Holt conference in Woodbridge,
he was saying that Larry Warren was out

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there. People at that time were
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had been quite a well known figure
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because of this book left at Eastgate, you know, and eventually it was

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actually withdrawn when the information that we
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author Peter Robbins, he actually got
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sure, I mean, obviously it's
a it's a lot more. There was

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a lot more involved in all that, unfortunately, would take quite a while

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to sort of unravel at it all
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Larry Warren wasn't actually fully trained,
so he could never have been where he

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was and what he was what he
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fut in the Air Force for less
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people don't realize that. When the
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his story, it makes it look
like he was in the Air Force for

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years, but he wasn't. It
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only just past his basic training when
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in the US. He was sent
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a few days after he had appeared
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he says he was on guard duty
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pent Words and Woodbridge is where the
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is Inventers from Forest. He came
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on with the group on the third
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used the story of Adrian Bustinza's story, who actually was involved in on the

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night, but he didn't want to
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as I say, it's quite a
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it in you know, within a
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show. But what happened was I
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about so and this is why I
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the end, because that's what I
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about. Yeah, Well, Nelssary
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radio shows. I think the first
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show about this investigation, and I
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There was a lady named Sasha Christie
was still we're still good friends.

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Sasha Christie knew Larry Warren for about
ten years, right, and I,

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of course, because of this Larry
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got brief friendly with Sasha. And
it was somebody else, I just think

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Dunlop who was a Scottish She runs
the Scottish SPI events. And there was

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another Scottish chap but I got involved
with was James Francis Wilsh. Now we

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all started we were all kind of
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little bits and pieces and we started
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the things we found out unbelievable really
because we were all basically at some point

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friends with Larry Warren. You know. Certainly Sasha she knew for ten years

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and a lot of the things.
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with her, not living as he
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living in Leeds at the time the
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and she had to move out of
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actually got thrown out of his deeks
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whatever for whatever reason. And she
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the sofa in a living room because
she had a partner. She had to

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move out because the person who who
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to get an out of the place. So she ended up living in Liverpool,

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and Larry Warren actually moved with her, believe it or not, and

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he was still sleeping on the sofa
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and children and everything. Well.
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house because of certain things that happened. Her partner told him to leave and

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which I won't go into because it's
a rather seed horrible thing to the reasons

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he got thrown out for. So
you said, eventually Larry was evicted from

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Sasha's house. Yeah, she got
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because there was some horrible things going
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and he come on drunken and shouted
and which was not very nice, especially

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sure she got children and everything anyway. So but before that, a few

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of the things that Larry had been
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was living in her in her house, she began to say, well,

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they don't sort of match up with
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about being involved in the rendersham Uropo
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were going on, and some of
the things that she was investigating it didn't

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seem to but he would. One
of the one of the stories that he

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came out with was what the CIA
or the Security Service anyway, that he

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couldn't get his service records because they
had kept them away. And but Sasha

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found out that he could get,
you said, his service records. All

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he had to do was applied for
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in the book was actually ridiculed,
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be untrue. So that was just
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that started to make her suspicious type
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he started coming up with other amazing
stories about a big foot sighting that he

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had when he was with his mother
in the States, and it's it's the

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most amazing bigfoot sighting that you've ever
heard of, you know. So there

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was one thing right after another,
apparently, so you're crazy stories. So

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I'm coming to understand that it was
this revelation that this person that was somebody

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you associated with and considered a friend, was a force. And is this

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what led you to do your paranormal
dimensions where you could bring forth reveals to

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the public of things that you felt
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Not so much that, but I
mean it was because I appeared on

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a few other radio shows. One
radio show that I appeared on, he

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said to me after the show,
would you like your own show? And

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I said, I've never really thought
about it. So I asked my wife,

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I said, what do you think. I said that they've offered online

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show, and I said, I've
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So she said, well, give
it goes, see how it goes.

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I said, well, okay,
oh say yes to them. Anyway.

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I said, yeah, okay,
they'll give it a go. And

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I just happened to know Irene Irene
the runs out of radio the po UK

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radio said. I mentioned it to
her, and she said, you're a

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radio show. I'll give you a
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too. I said, oh,
okay, didn't so I had to say

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no to the other networkers and I
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year was that, Wow, I
think there was twenty twenty nineteen. I

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think there was maybe the end of
twenty eighteen, so I think it was

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probably the end of twenty eighteen.
I started Mind at the beginning of twenty

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nineteen. So tell the listeners what
it is that your show is about.

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What do you put on your show
for everybody out there? Well, very

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much like yours, I would deal
in anything that's paranormal basically. The first

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show it did was actually with Sasha
and we covered a lot of what the

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Render from Forest UFO incident. My
next second, my second guest was Malcolm

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Robinson, who deals in UFOs and
ghosts and all sorts of things and the

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Lockness Monster, all sorts of things
like that. I started out doing a

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two hour show. Actually, the
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and I found that maybe they were
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and I sort of cut down.
Rather than doing two hours every week,

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I said, I said, I'd
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Sarah, it goes from there,
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Really, I started doing an hour
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of different guests on. It makes
sense that the people that you have on,

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especially at the beginning, you're going
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people that you believe in, and
then you get to a point where

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you're looking for topics that are going
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mean, it's exactly what I did. I put people that I knew on

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that I was interested in their stories
that I found believable. But then you

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also have people on your show that
you question and you did, well,

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this is very interesting. It makes
you think about it, and then it

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makes you wonder what if or is
it true? And so you want to

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be this neutral person and put it
out there and ask the right questions,

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but then it leaves you with food
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this side of things, being the
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areas I've never even thought about and
hear stories and never even heard about.

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I'm learning from this all the time
as well. I think you'll find that,

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you know, like you've probably found
yourself that you get the challenge to

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ask people to come on your show
that you may never have got the self

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to speak to because you can put
yourself out there to them, and so

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would you like you know, you
can invite you know, some big names

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of it on the show and just
you know, and you may never have

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got the chance to art to talk
to these people. I've had one or

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two people I've regreated every of the
show. You probably have because it's a

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real struggle sometimes to get to keep
keep people talking and to keep the show

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with some sort of momentum. You
know, you might ask a questions some

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of these people that if you're a
very short answer, you've got to come

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up with somebody else store. It
can be a struggling but so it's luckily

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I've been I've been very fortunate with
most of my guests. That's suddenly happened

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about two or three times. You
know that I've not been able to support

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keep keeping a momentum going. It's
been a struggle, but most of them

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been great. I met some really
might look quite a lot of good friends

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as as as you probably have as
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the beginning, it was me trying
to figure out what I was going to

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put on the show, who I
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and trying to come up with those
interesting guests. And now I'm finding that

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people are reaching out to me and
saying, I have somebody that would like

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to be on your show. Here
is what they want to talk about,

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or this person wrote this book and
they would love to be on your show,

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which I find interesting and exciting because
that means that people are listening in

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on my program and are finding it
appealing enough for them to want to put

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themselves out there. And that is
a helpful where you're finding guests as well.

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But it can be difficult at times. It definitely can be trying.

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Yeah, I mean, I do
try to keep a list going people that

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I'd like to get on the show, and I'll try to keep about three

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months ahead, to be honest.
So I'm asking these people saw months ahead.

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Sometimes I think given them what they
when, maybe they might be interesting

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in coming on the show, or
I've got a list now they'll probably going

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about May June's on, so yes, which I try to get and sometimes

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I don't work. You know,
sometimes it's they can't make it all or

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this, yeah, something happens,
or something happens. But then you've always

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got someone to fall back on to
say, right, can you fill it

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on that particular date, and I
can lose you to keep them ticking over

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that way. The way I'm at
the moment, I've actually been doing some

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where else are I'm doing my shows
every two weeks now, I'm doing some

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extras as well because I've got too
many guests that will have come on some

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sort of time, so I'm amber
to do some extra shows there that's a

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sort of film in and that's kind
of what's been happening lately. Or someone

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will be sick and I say,
can we do it next week? So

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I'm doing sort of one alf together. You're trying to shove off, yeah,

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but it's working. It's working all
right. What do you find was

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your most favorite interview or interviews more? It could be more, very difficult,

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I think. I think one of
the probably one of the most special

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shows I've done is just very recently
when I had Jim Peniston and Gary Osborne

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on the show. Both together they
wrote a book called The Renders from Enigma.

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You know. Also obviously we're about
the Renders from event. But Gary

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Osborne very rarely does interviews at all, one on radio. And because he

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had written this book with gim he
had done all the research everything, it

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was great to get them both on
together. That Jimpends apparently touched the craft

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in renneshrom Woods forest, you know, and he had the binary download and

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Gary's research found that he could never
have made up that story because the doubt

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the binary that he had written over
sixteen pages in his notebook, he could

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never have worked out what the results
would be all these years later, you

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know, forty two years later,
so you know, so it's fascinating show.

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I'd recommend if anyone wants to try
to catch up with me and have

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to listen to that show, I'd
really recommend it because it's amazing. He

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said that there was absolutely no way
he could have made that up. That

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he had to have seen where he
actually did. Gary Usboard had done a

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lot of research. He had been
He's written books before about the Pyramids and

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all the measurements and measuring lay lines
and everything. Like that, and he

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found that Jim Peniston could never have
written down the binary code in his notebook

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and come up with the results that
he's gotten that Gary has come up with

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now. He said it was just
be impossible. He said, the code

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actually proves itself. What's happened is
because of the earth chill and the earth

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wabble where everything there's the measurements come
out and what's what's come out of the

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binary code. It's very difficult to
try and explain this to you with absolute

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designs and everything, but the research
it just shows you that he just could

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not come up with those results.
He expects it a lot better than like

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in all the radio actually, but
you need to listen to for about an

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hour unfortunately. But the book itself
is The Renders from Enigma Jim Penniston and

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Gary Osborne. And Gary's got a
second book coming out hopefully this year,

409
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:11,039
the follow up book, which explains
more about the poinary code. You personally,

410
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,640
from your own experience and what you
saw, you feel that there are

411
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:18,279
such things as your els from other
planets. That's your tick on it.

412
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,559
Yeah, most definitely, whether they're
from other planets. I've got second thoughts.

413
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,000
On that. I mean, I
do believe your life on other planets,

414
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,160
but obviously if they could be thousands
of years more revolved than us,

415
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,920
so there's no reason why they couldn't
be visiting. But I've been thinking over

416
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,880
the last few years that things could
actually be inter dimensional as well, and

417
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,440
I think, oh, okay,
there's quite a lot of researchers now that

418
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,279
are thinking those similar lines as well. I mean, Jim's thought on that

419
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,079
the rendals from experience that he had
is that they may well have been asked

420
00:31:53,160 --> 00:32:02,319
from the future. You know that
that's an interesting, entertaining fight. Yeah,

421
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,480
and Gary seems to think that could
be a possibility because of some of

422
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:12,279
the results that he's coming up with, So who knows. In effect,

423
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:17,119
Gary's theory actually goes full circle the
fact that they've they've come back from the

424
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,599
future, So I left this information
and the information that he's writing is the

425
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,680
information that he's found that he wrote. Basically, it's kind of god full

426
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:34,160
circle, which makes which kind of
makes sense because if his future self can

427
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,599
go back and tell his past self
something that he needs to know, why

428
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,519
not do it? Yeah, it's
crazy, really, it sort of makes

429
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,559
your head spin and you stop thinking
about it. But so yeah, I

430
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:50,680
mean I say it's quite it's quite
a possibility. I think. Another interesting

431
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,240
guest I had on I've actually a
Colonel Holt on several times because he's he's

432
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,680
actually became a good friend of one. He's actually stayed in more home when

433
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,920
we living his suffer believe or not. After sort of just going to the

434
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,039
conference to meet him just that first
time, he actually became quite a good

435
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,559
close friend as well. Ah,
that's great, which which was amazing.

436
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:14,400
I mean, for anyone that doesn't
know who Colonel Holt is. He actually

437
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,920
wrote the whole Memory and Them from
the Base, which was about the UFOs

438
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,680
incidents from naineteen eighty. There's plenty
of it on the internet out there.

439
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:28,759
He's been on all the UFO shows
and things that you see. Yeah,

440
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,559
I mean the memordum that he wrote
was actually never meant to have been released.

441
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:37,359
It he came out really must be
investigators warns his name like I think

442
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,759
his name was that the writers of
Clearing ten basically got the infant. Yeah,

443
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,440
I put into the public public domain
basically, but it was never meant

444
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,519
to have been released. Neither was
his tape that he made on the night.

445
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,119
Yeah. I mean again, that's
there's a lot more to that story

446
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,960
than Okay, I actually said a
few minutes on here, but here was

447
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,200
another good guest at on. I've
also had another thing guests that was out

448
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:06,680
with Colonel Holt on that night.
That was more no Levels, which is

449
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,280
another very rare interview which sort of
opened the field. I said, they've

450
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,280
got some little differences in their opinion
and what happened them night, but basically

451
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,880
they were really small differences. Really, excuse me, I've got to take

452
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,199
a drink. Can't that be out
let folks enjoy? Oh? I mean,

453
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,599
all I have to say is he
was another good guest I had on.

454
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,360
But I've had so many good guests
it's amazing. Really. I guess

455
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,159
I never thought i'd actually get to
talk to a lot of the time.

456
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,719
Same same okay, Yeah, I
mean you know that I deal with ghosts

457
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,599
because that's what started when I was
writing. Yeah, and when I I

458
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:49,079
mean, I've had experiences with UFO
as my kids spotted them in our backyard

459
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,159
and there was a whole incident.
They came running in when they were out

460
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:57,519
there night swimming, and I had
them sit in separate areas of the house

461
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,880
their friend and the two girls and
gave them paper and writing utensils so that

462
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,480
they could draw what it was that
they saw, because I wanted to see

463
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,679
if they had actually seen the same
thing. And when I looked at the

464
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:15,920
pictures, it was undeniably the same
craft. And I wrote about it in

465
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,119
my first book, and actually put
the pictures that they drew in the book

466
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,159
too, so that the public could
see it. But my whole thing was

467
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,480
to write about ghosts because I've been
sensitive to spirits since I was a kid,

468
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:30,440
and I owned a haunted shop in
town, and I know every area

469
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,320
is haunted. That's an undeniable fact. I lived in the Bronx and my

470
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,440
house was haunted, and I lived
now in Sussex County and it's haunted.

471
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,880
So that's what got me started running
them out the books. But when I

472
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,320
was writing that first book, people
were coming out of the woodworks with their

473
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,800
own stories of UFOs in Sussex County
where I lived, and they were coming

474
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:58,000
out of the woodwork with stories about
Bigfoot in the area. So that's actually

475
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:02,199
why I ended up putting the other
stream phenomena part into the title, because

476
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,519
I can't write a ghost story and
include Bigfoot and UFOs, so that other

477
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:13,039
strange phenomena part of the title allowed
me to do those chapters as well.

478
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,559
And I've continued in that same respect
because all the areas that I write about,

479
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:22,719
people do come out with UFO and
Bigfoot stories, and I find that

480
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,639
very fascinating and for me, it
was really only that kind of center.

481
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,440
And now as a host of these
shows, people are coming out of the

482
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:42,079
woodwork with other cryptids that I've never
even heard of, and other things that,

483
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,079
like you said, interdimensional and time
travel and that sort of thing.

484
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:51,239
And I find it so interesting because
when I was a kid reading books that

485
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,159
people wrote just to entertain you,
I found it really fascinating and fun.

486
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,840
And now these people are coming to
me and saying, no, it's real

487
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,599
here, this is what I found
out, and I love to just listen

488
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:07,400
to it. But I was a
huge fan of In Search Of and Unsolved

489
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,760
Mysteries when I was a kid,
and so it makes sense that I would

490
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,440
find that interesting today, and as
a host, I want to interview people

491
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,880
that could share stories like that with
the public. Yeah, Oh, here's

492
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,639
some of the stories that you do
here are they're really unbelievable, and it's

493
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,159
so unbelisual. They've got to be
true, you know, because who can

494
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,840
think some of these things up.
That's the way I find I told you

495
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:35,760
I was I told him about to
tell you the story when I was a

496
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,480
child didn't work up. And this
purple miss coming into the room. I

497
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,559
must have been probably about eighteen months
old, and it's help to tell I

498
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,360
don't know. I was probably on
the verge of just learning to talk and

499
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:51,719
stuff like that. And remember this
stuck with you all these years later.

500
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,360
Yeah, and it stuck with me
all those years. You're right, and

501
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,159
it scared me so death. And
it's this purple miss coomes swarming into the

502
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,119
room, came right up to me
and all around the room, and I'm

503
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:06,400
screaming from you from my father came
reads the room, basically, and he

504
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,239
couldn't see this purpose but Spo was
still there, and I'm basically saying,

505
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,320
so maybe they're agrige, I guess, can't you see it? You know?

506
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,159
And he can't see this. It's
known that children are extremely receptive to

507
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,880
spirit, and they kind of lose
that as they get older because the the

508
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:30,280
world around them influences so many things. If you're nurtured to understand that as

509
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,480
a child, then you take it
with you. But for me, I

510
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:36,119
was five, maybe even four when
it started, because my room was on

511
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:37,760
the main floor of the house,
and that is we had this spirit resided,

512
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,639
and we had a brief conversation you
and I about how spirit presents itself

513
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,360
too. It's strange how some come
in this mist some come in a full

514
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,320
bodied apparition that looks so realistic to
you that they're standing there, and then

515
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,599
some come as shadow. For him. The spirit I had in my home

516
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:59,840
was definitely a tall male, but
all I could see of him was a

517
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,519
black shadow, and I actually started
calling him Uncle Paul. I don't know

518
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:06,119
why I was calling him Uncle Pole. I did have an uncle Paul that

519
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,639
died before I was born, never
met him, but for some reason I

520
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,599
called him Uncle Paul. And I
was terrified at him coming into my room.

521
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,239
He would come from the living room
and walk into my room and stand

522
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,000
at the edge of my bed.
I didn't know it then that he was

523
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,599
just trying to get my attention.
I know that now, but Mom would

524
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:27,639
say, oh, it was just
a dream. So here I was dealing

525
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,000
with Mom saying it was a dream. I could see he was there.

526
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,519
I was scared. So I find
it very intriguing how they come in different

527
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,039
ways. We spoke about the mist, you and I. I know my

528
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:43,880
dad came to me as a mist
when I was having a mommy and mean

529
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,840
moment with my daughter. And then
I had an experience with a mist in

530
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,360
the minds here locally in Sussex County
that was interacting with my group. It

531
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,000
was so intriguing. We all took
videos, and I sent one of the

532
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,599
videos from the group into a local
show called Paranormal Quote on Camera, and

533
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:06,639
they actually featured it on their show. So I find it very intriguing that

534
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,880
they come in different forms. I
don't know if it's their energy is not

535
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,039
strong enough to do one way as
opposed to another. I'm not sure what

536
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:23,719
it is, but I've experienced quite
a different array of spiritual encounters and I

537
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,559
haven't got an explanation for it.
I'm not trying to convince anybody of it.

538
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,239
It's my experience. You want me
to tell you about it, I'll

539
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,159
tell you about it, and I'll
share it with you. Believe me or

540
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,480
not. I don't really care.
It happened to me. I know what

541
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,880
I experienced. I'm not trying to
convince anybody. And that's kind of how

542
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,719
I look at it. That's any
way you can look at it. I

543
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,800
mean, my questions are, was
there any significance in the color of this

544
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,920
miss because it was a really I'll
still remember it was really dark purple.

545
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,559
Now I've been sold that when you
dream, you dream in black or white.

546
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,599
We don't don't think it's true.
We don't think. Oh, I

547
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,119
remember a lot of dreams are in
color, but this particularly, and also

548
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,079
at the age I was, I
didn't know what ghosts were or anything like

549
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,599
that. So to see this miscome
swirl again and swirling around them around me,

550
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,239
I need to go back out the
door again. When my father came

551
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,280
in, what was it? I
don't know. Yeah, the fact that

552
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,760
you were eighteen months old and you
actually could understand the purple that may have

553
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,480
been something. It may have been
something that came back to you as you

554
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:29,199
were older, when you're recollecting on
it, that you see in your mind

555
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,280
what you saw, and that's how
you associated that purple mist. For me,

556
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,559
the mist was just kind of like
some have likened it to ectoplasm.

557
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,639
I don't know that I would call
it ectoplasm either, for it was just

558
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,519
this foggy mist, and it was
an interactive mist in the minds. We

559
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:50,760
would ask it to do, to
show itself again, and it would,

560
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,960
whereas the one with my dad,
how I knew it was my dad,

561
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:58,119
I just knew. And it came
into the room and swirled around. At

562
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,119
first I actually thought it was the
house on fire. That's what I thought

563
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:05,400
it was until I got up to
go to the door and it came in

564
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:10,280
and it whirled around the room and
then went out the wall, so it

565
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,199
had no color. Though you can
see it was like a controlled thing.

566
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,559
Is it like it was a huge
yea. It was some sort of intelligence

567
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,880
to it because it throwed round and
then it all way out together smoked.

568
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,599
Smoke usually dispersed, it doesn't it
go all different directions, but this was

569
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,679
only one ally, one direction,
as if it was something floating through the

570
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,599
air exactly. And like I said, I was just sitting there having a

571
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,960
Mummy in me moment. So my
first reaction when I turned to see it,

572
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,119
I thought the house was on fire. But when I actually stood up

573
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,480
to look and see what it was. That's when I realized, oh,

574
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,719
no, that's not what it is. It's something different. And like you

575
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:58,440
said, it was definitely interactive and
controlled, where as if it were smoked

576
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,559
it would have dispersed as you say. So that's what made me realize,

577
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:05,840
no, this is something different.
And like I said, I don't know

578
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,440
if my father put that in my
mind, it's me, it's dad,

579
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,280
because the day he died, he
came to me, he let me know

580
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:16,199
he passed. So he's come to
me many times over the years since his

581
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,239
passing, but the first initial connection
he and I had was the day that

582
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,920
he died. And that's kind of
all what was a reawakening for me too.

583
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:29,000
Spiritually, that's what made me realize, you know, you can send

584
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:30,880
spirit go and do something about it. You know, you have a mission

585
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,000
and you just have to figure out
what it is. And that was the

586
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,440
start of it all for me.
Really. Yeah, I mean I did

587
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:42,159
say to you before that, so
it could well have been well, don't

588
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:45,840
know who, certainly conjecture it could
well have been one of my grandfathers because

589
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,599
both my friends. Sure well I
was very young or you know, I

590
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,519
never knew my grandfathers because you know, basically when I was young. And

591
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:59,360
it also could have been the lady
that rented the house to us, because

592
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,400
she died round about that time as
well, So maybe because she lived downstairs

593
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,480
and we lived upstairs. I never
knew her either, but apparently she died

594
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,679
around about that time, so maybe
she was having a last round. Who

595
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,159
knows, you know, one of
them coming to look in on the baby.

596
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,760
They liked children and small children,
and I know that it's very common

597
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,239
for her babies to be looking up
and staring at the ceiling and ogling and

598
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,519
googling and smiling, and it's not
making sense to parents what the heck are

599
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,320
they looking at? So it's very
possible that they came to just check in

600
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,519
and see check you out. Maybe
What did your dad say when you spoke

601
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,480
to him several years later and said, well, he just said, oh,

602
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,199
yeah, I remember that when you
talking about that, He did,

603
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:45,880
yeah, you remembered it, and
I said, yeah, I can still

604
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,199
remember it clearly now that it was
a purple misslide around And he said,

605
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:54,280
I couldn't see anything that was like
you know, so that was But I

606
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,360
suppose he didn't wonder what was going
on this world at the same time.

607
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,039
Does if he do remember, you
remember it as well, so it must.

608
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,320
Yeah, that's significant for sure.
Have you had any other paranormal experiences

609
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,960
since then? Did you realize that
you yourself are sensitive to spirit in some

610
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,519
way, shape or form. I
don't regard myself as being sensitive whatsoever.

611
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:23,639
But in later years I didn't go
start going to our Spiritus churches and I

612
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:30,599
was told by a medium that I've
got some healing pals. Now, whether

613
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:35,960
that's interesting, I don't know.
I've actually tried it a couple of times,

614
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,079
and I did learn to read the
aura. I can actually see the

615
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:44,039
aura around people. So I can
only usually see a color. Yeah,

616
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:49,840
a lot of gray color around but
kensie aura but nothing. I don't regard

617
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,440
myself as being sensitive at all,
but saying that, I wonder. I

618
00:45:54,599 --> 00:46:00,239
absolutely, but I wonder if because
you've been able to learn the color of

619
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,639
auras, maybe that purple is significant
for the aura of that spirit that you

620
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,880
saw. Because I've seen that that
missed and have not seen color. Maybe

621
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,519
that has something to do with it. Yeah, maybe it was only because

622
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,960
I was talking to a medium many
years ago, before I started getting involved

623
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840
with radio shows and stuff like that. To meet somebody I used to work

624
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,360
with. It was actually a medium, believe it or not, And he

625
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,480
started saying about if you if you
look at your hand, hold it up

626
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,239
and look at stair in between,
you'll actually start to see the aura around

627
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,880
your fingers. And I started seeing
it. And you know, it's not

628
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,960
an imagination thing either, because you
can actually see it a lot if you

629
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,719
actually concentrate on it. I think
anyone can. Have you ever learned Have

630
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,039
you ever learned anything about the different
colors? Is purple a significant color?

631
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,880
Or no? No, I never
got that far into it. As I

632
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,239
say, all I can see is
like a gray shape around the aura.

633
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,840
Really, not as far as my
psychic at this go, as far as

634
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,559
I know, apart from an e
fact that we all get these senses about

635
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,400
when you're walking, because sense an
atmosphere and all that sort of thing,

636
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,440
or you thinking about or you could
be thinking about somebody and all suddenly will

637
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,519
phone you and what's all that sort
of stuff? Even the inevitable tension in

638
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:20,280
the room. If you feel that
tension, you're feeling something. You're feeling

639
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,639
somebody's mood. But it would be
interesting to find out if purple is a

640
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,960
significant color in the aura world.
I don't know anything about it. I've

641
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,480
asked several psychics if they know what
the purple means, and nobody really can

642
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:36,639
give me an answer. Things about
relate, I mean, my wife is

643
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:38,800
always saying, I was just thinking
I'll say something if you said I was

644
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,000
just thinking that you've done it again, you know, So there must be

645
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:49,000
something going on mentally between us.
But the amount of times I've been thinking

646
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,480
about someone's thinking oh, I must
phone them, I must phone them,

647
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:58,199
and all of a sudden the phone
will go as them yeah, yeahs And

648
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:04,079
then all sudden I was just thinking
about you. I was just gonna call

649
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,599
you. What the amount of times
just happened. To believe it, It's

650
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,800
unbelievable. It's true, very true. So what's in store for you now

651
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,960
ahead? I mean, I know
you told me you were doing a monthly

652
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,639
show what's going over gas? But
yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm

653
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,599
doing another monthly show as well,
which is entirely different to the p a

654
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,639
UK radio shows. But it's intirely
you know, they're not. I'm not

655
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,159
using the same show to go on
that as well. It's just another separate

656
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,239
scene really, But that's just one
a month, so see how it goes

657
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,039
and what comes a bit and if
they want more of it, that's that's

658
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,960
that's interesting. I've had all the
pa UK but it's a completely different show

659
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,559
again on there, you know.
Yeah, I don't know how long that

660
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:46,360
will last for it's for the absolutely
this magazine. But my prime position in

661
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,079
the radio show is actually is for
po UK Radio. That's more. You

662
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:54,199
know, if it came choice between
the two, the po UK Radio would

663
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:58,079
be the one that I would go
for. You know, it's as similar

664
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:01,519
as that really, m Um,
Yeah, I think that's only fair were

665
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,239
of doing it. But yeah,
I mean, well, I'm often going

666
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,519
to conferences and things, and I've
got several coming up this year. I

667
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:12,679
was stopping off to speak at a
place in June, I believe it is.

668
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,320
It's for the East Anglia Essex East
Anglier group. They want me to

669
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,239
do a talk, so I'll be
doing that. I'll think about the end

670
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,480
of the time. I understand why
you would go to things like that.

671
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:28,679
If you're asked to speak, for
sure, that's an understandable reason. Why

672
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,599
would you go to these events otherwise
to make connections or just to find out

673
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:38,119
interesting topics or what because I'm interesting
in the people that they're doing the talks

674
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:42,199
themselves. You know. I love, you know, to hear that the

675
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,639
actual people that may I've not got. You know, I've met quite a

676
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:50,840
few people that at these conferences and
I've asked them if they'd like to come

677
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,400
on the show in the past,
you know, to get them. So

678
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:00,719
Rob Thompson was recent, which was
actually quite He's quite a world name in

679
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:07,840
the field of on the ghost shows, on the offices on Discovery somewhere.

680
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,199
But so yeah, he came on
the show a little while ago. We're

681
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,800
here weekly. It was a last
week. So I've had quite a few,

682
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,840
you know, sort of well known
names on and I've got a few

683
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:22,400
more plans though the waiting. I'm
going to Manchester in the August, i

684
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:28,119
think it is, and there's another
one called the what's it called in September.

685
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:31,320
There's another two week one where there's
some US visitors coming over. He's

686
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,599
got a good lineup going on.
Yeah, it's a good whole thing.

687
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,039
The people that are coming now.
I love when you post stuff when you're

688
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,920
trying to just take things apart,
when you say, look at this,

689
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,360
why why do you think it's so
true? I love when you do that.

690
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:51,920
I'm always tuning into what you're posting. I love that stuff too.

691
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,079
Yeah. Well, I mean this
question is to be asked all the time,

692
00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,079
and I think rather than me saying
this is there, I'll just put

693
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,440
it up and say, you mate, your own mind about you. I've

694
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,760
got mine mind about it. And
I think it's also less of a chance

695
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,559
to game bagged as well. I
think I think it's great to create a

696
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,320
justifiable argument for people to discuss,
and then people can come to the forum

697
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,880
and say this is why I agree, this is why I disagree, and

698
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,360
it certainly gives you food for thought. It definitely puts your mind at work

699
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:32,119
to say, h let me see
what I think about this, And it

700
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,320
makes for good entertainment to say the
least. Yeah. Yeah, a whole

701
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,400
Facebook. I think most of this
year, I think I've been banned because

702
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:46,119
of been a little bit controversial.
What are they laughed about a Facebook for

703
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,760
days on end and then you get
to come back on, well, line

704
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,719
back. They didn't like what I
said this time. So tell the tell

705
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,920
the listeners what your Facebook is and
how they can find you on social media.

706
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,719
I'm sure they would love to find
you on social media and different platforms.

707
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,239
Yeah, well I've got I've got
a page to supposed to radio show

708
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,000
the Paranormal Dimensions. So if you
probably if you go to Facebook and put

709
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:15,400
Paranormal Dimensions, you should come across
the show page. You can just find

710
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,079
me the Davey Young probably just as
look for a photo of me, and

711
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,079
I don't know, probably there's probably
but you can look up for. But

712
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,760
I mentioned if you just put Davy
Jung and the link me to the Paranormal

713
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,159
Dimensions, you should be able to
find me. All right, I've got

714
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,440
Instagram. I have you going to
TikTok and all that too, TikTok.

715
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,440
I don't use really Instagram. I've
got a page on the Instagram, but

716
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,559
I'll really use it, to be
honest, I don't use Twitter because I

717
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,800
don't. I can't quite get my
head around Twitter. I always want to

718
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,639
say more than you're all aout to
sail on you you really get a few

719
00:52:55,079 --> 00:53:00,280
I want to write sentences and they
can't do it, you know. True.

720
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,840
I did actually start whatever shows on
Twitter, and I thought, well

721
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,119
it was just pointless really a lot
of the time, So really, I

722
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,360
just sort of concentrate on Facebook most
of the time. I didn't get bad

723
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,119
for it, but yeah, but
I mean if they will also looked me

724
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,840
up on Facebook, they can always
get in touch with you. I'm on

725
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,559
your friends list, so they can
look me up from there content. That's

726
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:27,679
right, they can. And I'm
gonna put the links on the show blurb

727
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,039
too so that they can find you
there as well. Yeah. I've got

728
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:38,239
another couple of pages, so I've
got the render from Forest oh I think

729
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:44,280
the name of it there, Sorry, I started going to it. I've

730
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:50,519
got an SPI page, which is
It's Strange Phenomenate Investigations Essex and Eastern,

731
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,639
which is I kind of put that
up, but I really do anything.

732
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,360
I kind of wait for people to
come along and say to me, I've

733
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,119
got this game, got that going
on. But I think actually said to

734
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,440
actually sat up an investigation, see
work, I could sort of go and

735
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,719
investigate things. I just do the
occasional ghost hunt like everyone else does now,

736
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,639
like you do, but really with
other people's ghost hunts, you know.

737
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,280
But yeah, I've been getting into
doing a lot of collaborations too.

738
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,800
I mean, we have my core
group of paranormal investigators that we call the

739
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,320
New Jersey Spirit Hunters because before,
if you remember, we were formally called

740
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,400
the Lady Ghostbusters, and now I
have quite a few men in the group,

741
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,639
so as a group, we came
up with the New Jersey Spirit Hunter

742
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:45,000
name just because we have men equal
as many women and I'm fine with that,

743
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,519
and we are this core group.
But we do have collaborative efforts with

744
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,599
other paranormal groups, which is fun
too because you get to see their methods

745
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:57,400
and how they go about doing an
investigation and you meet new people. I

746
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:01,519
did a paracron last year, which
I've never done before, was called the

747
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,840
Sleepy Hollow para Con, which is
organized by Chris Sanders, and I might

748
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,079
end up going back and doing it
again this year, but last year was

749
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:13,239
my first year doing it, and
it was very interesting to meet so many

750
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:21,199
other paranormals in the area and exchange
information, and aside from it being good

751
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,480
for contacts and people you might want
to have on your show, it was

752
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:31,039
just nice to meet other people that
are like minded and do possible investigations with

753
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,559
down the line. Yeah, I
don't know if you find what I find.

754
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,199
Most of the people that I get
friendly with so I'll get to know

755
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:44,039
there are balls away sort the other
end of the country. I know,

756
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:49,159
I know the great Great Britain's look
gigantic, but there's still a few hundred

757
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:53,679
balls away a distance surest most of
the people I sort of really get friendly

758
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,920
with. There's there's one of two
people look seventy balls away, you know,

759
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:04,119
which is not too bad. It
so wonderful. It's as easy as

760
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,639
you'd like it to be, you
know, wonderful. Have the power of

761
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,760
modern technology where I can speak to
you all the way over in the UK

762
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:16,280
just by a push on the computer
button, which is nice because in a

763
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:22,079
world fifteen twenty years ago it wasn't
possible. So which nice to be able

764
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:25,079
to true. Yeah, And also
if you ever get the chance to come

765
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:30,880
over to the UK, you'll was
welcome. Thank you. I appreciate that.

766
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,559
And the same thing, the same
thing when you come over to the

767
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:37,480
States. You know, Mark and
I Mark Johnson and I are neighbors.

768
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:43,920
We live in the same county.
Just got a show with Mark actually,

769
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,920
which will be coming out in a
couple of weeks. Very nice. Interesting

770
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:52,800
because Mark's coming over in the fogus
I think it is. Is he all

771
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,440
good for you. So hopefully I'll
get to meet it as well. Ah,

772
00:56:55,559 --> 00:57:00,480
that's nice. So you must see
a few photos of we Oh,

773
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:07,079
I would love that. That that's
he's coming out to the cur as well.

774
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:14,239
And ye get together, so wonderful. That's great. Absolutely, Oh,

775
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,079
have a great time you guys.
Well, thank you so much for

776
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:20,880
coming on the show today. This
is very interesting to actually delve into your

777
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,400
background and what it is that makes
you tick and what's got you started in

778
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,719
your show. So I really do
appreciate that. Yeah, I hope it

779
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,400
wasn't too confusing. Unfortunately, well
off, he's quite confusing. Most of

780
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:40,039
whose whose isn't? But thank you
so much for coming on. I really

781
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:45,320
appreciate it. It's pretty bad pleasure. Thank you, And to listeners that

782
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,360
are out there. If you enjoyed
this week's episode and you're into all things

783
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,840
paranormal, check out my other show, Eleanor Wagner's creep In It Real podcast

784
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,039
out of the Coast to Coast Entertainment
Network, which is available wherever you get

785
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,480
your podcasts. And if any of
you are interested in reading any of my

786
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:06,239
books, you can find the links
to them on my website. Author Eleanor

787
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,280
Wagner dot com where I write about
the history of the town and location,

788
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,360
and I add the paranormal story to
the mix and finish it all off with

789
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,519
photos and evidence. Everybody loves a
good ghost story, but there's nothing better

790
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:22,920
than a true ghost story, so
check it out at author dot com.

791
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:30,519
Thank you again, have a big
ghostly listeners. You can follow me on

792
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:35,480
my website, author eleanor Wagner dot
com, where there are links to my

793
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:42,519
books and video updates and photographs.
Thank you paranormal enthusiasts for tuning in today.

794
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:46,719
I hope you'll come back again.
Remember to tap into your own gifts.

795
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:52,639
Everyone has them, and in the
meantime, make sure you're creeping it

796
00:58:52,800 --> 00:59:06,840
real. We don't go nother one
he be, don't. The young came

797
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:08,679
the young, The young ca