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All right. Joining us now is
Marty Goddisfeld. And Marty has got a

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lot of different social media acauns.
I'll just ask him where he is.

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He says he's trying to migrate everything
to substack martyg dot substack dot com,

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where you can find his writing.
But Marty, and we've had Marty on

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actually had his wife Dana for many
years while Marty was in a communications management

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unit. This is where they put
political prisoners in the US right now.

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It's where you will see Juliana Songe
heading and so we want to talk to

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him about what life is like there. It's very, very difficult. It

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is there to manage and to shut
off any communication to the outside world.

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And so that's what they've designed this
thing for and that's why they put dissonance

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and political prisoners there. We do
have political prisoners, a lot of them

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in the United States. So joining
us now is Marty Goddisfeld. Thank you

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for joining us, Marty, thank
you for having me tell us a little

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bit about just give us an overview
of the CMU. We can get to

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your case in particular and why you
were there, and of course it was

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a great injustice and I've talked many
times a day and about it, and

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we'll talk about that and things that
are still happening with your court case.

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But you're out now. But tell
us, tell us what the Communication management

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unit is like. So it's a
small, self contained prison unit. Guys

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in the CMU do not get to
go out to like the prison yard,

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that do not get to go out
to the other places inside the prison that

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the average federal prisoner, uh you
know, gets to go. They keep

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it self contained in a very small
area so that they can cramp down on

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communications, make sure that like you
can't pass another prisoner a note or have

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another prisoner call somebody on your behalf
right. They keep even the laundry within

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the unit. The rest of the
prison conflext sends their laundry out right like

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a senseral laundry place, but they're
worried that, you know, it's just

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an example. Prisoners will notes to
the guys working in the laundry and then

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be able to get communications out that
way. So I actually keep even the

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laundry right inside the unit. And
like when you buy a commissary, right,

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for the most part, it's prisoners
who pack the commissary bags, but

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not for CMU prisoners. Only staff
can pack a commissary bag for CMU prisoner,

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which you know, sometimes makes it
harder to even get your commissary if

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it's like a busy week, right, like, they might not have the

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staff to actually pack the bags for
the CMU guys. When I got there

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April first, twenty nineteen, to
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then there are two run by the
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agency of the Justice Department. Right, so the war is in Terahoe,

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Indiana. That's the original facility was
opened around two thousand and six during the

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wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
wars provided the financial justification for the unit.

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The idea was that they would lock
up like Al Qaeda guys, you

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know, high guys there, and
they would monitor their communications and they would

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mind those communications for Intel to use
in the war efforts. A few years

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later, they opened up a second
communications management unit at the United States Penitentiary

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in Marion, Illinois. I spent
about a year in that unit as well,

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so I've been to both CMUs.
They justified the second unit as they

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didn't have enough room you know,
in the first one, and after they've

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been running the first one for a
while, they had guys who had like

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keep separates, right, like,
they can't put this guy with that guy,

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or they'll attack each other on site. So they needed someplace that they

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could, you know, resolve those
kinds of problems. The second unit basically

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doubled the cd budget. The mass
capacity of either unity had given times about

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fifty sixty guys when I first got
there. They were running in about half

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that capacity. At any given time. There was probably a little fewer than

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half. Are you know, it's
hard to even call them real terrorist cases,

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but there are these cases that have
some nexus to something causnssable as terrorism.

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There tend not to be the really
high profile cases though that the really

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high profile cases they go to the
supermax in the federal system in Florence,

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Colorado. So it's important to understand
that this is not These are not the

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only places where they can hold actual
terrorists. Right, Like El Chapel will

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never see a CNU, Right.
He went from mcc New York, the

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high security lock up in Manhattan right
straight to the supermax in Colorado. Right,

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So this is not where there is
no justification to keep these UITs running

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for prisoners like that. This is
where they put up like, you know,

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a twenty year old kid who gets
in doctorate on the internet where it

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gets entrapped by the Justice Department.
Were both who gets caught on like a

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plane to Syria or on like a
cruise ship to Syria to try to fight

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on the other side of a geopolitical
dispute, you know, in which the

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United States takes an interest, right, those tend to be the so called

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terrorism cases there. The Bureau of
Prisons gets millions and millions of dollars,

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tens of millions of dollars to run
these units. They take prison guards with

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no intelligence training with you know who
would not be able to cut the mustard

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at State Department or CIA as intelligence
analysts, and they waited an intelligence analysts.

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They give them six figure salaries and
then their job essentially becomes to give

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people like me and Julian a hard
time. Yeah, yeah, well it's

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interesting, you said, El Chappa. Will you not find him there?

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I guess some would They send the
Cycler family there for their opioid No,

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they're not going to go to right, so yeah, but you know that.

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But those types of people if they
if they were in prison, right,

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It's it's a very real possibility.
You know, I think I'm not

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trying to, uh, you know, be hyperbolic, but you know,

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if the fans were locked up Trump
for instance, right, if any of

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these cases against Trump result in a
prison term, you know, even a

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prison term penning appeal. I'm not
saying, you know that he wouldn't have

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pellot pounds or whatever. But if
he does do any time in the federal

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system, the CMU is a likely
place the terpet built as well. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, keep him from
communicating with the outside. They take

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away his cell phone, tweet with
they're worried about us followers, They're worried

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about his right. He can make
life very difficult on a CEO. If

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you were to say, you know, I have a problem with this particular

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cl mister Smith, right, that
would the Bureau of Prisons would take very

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unkindly to that, and he'd likely
find himself in the CMU. And so,

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like so many other things, like
the Patriot Act itself, we see

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something that's set up to house people
that are violent parists, and instead this

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thing then turns against In many cases, people who are dissidents, people who

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are opposing their narrative, people or
political opponents. Shaeffer Cox of for example,

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isn't one of these. He's not
a terrorist, he's not a threat

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of violence to anybody else. But
they want to make sure that they cut

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off his communications because he has influence
and he can influence people against the government

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narrative that they want to maintain.
So Shaeffer Cox, was he there to

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mention a one of his case was
concocted? Yeah, we are a few

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doors down from each other. His
case. It's almost laughable, I mean,

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and it would be laughable if they
hadn't hmm him up for for so

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long on it. You know that
the appellate court largely stillized his case when

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they when they reversed it and took
away most of his sentence, and that

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was the Ninth Circuit Us Court of
Appeals. You know, it's a very

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liberal for the court that did not
you know, found the government's theory in

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that case, you know, kind
of at the periphery of what a jury

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could reasonably convict under. Yeah,
when we talked about when we talk about

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Trump and lawfair and things like that, I mean, this has been going

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on for very long time to other
people like Schaefer Cox, but they do

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they have the ability to completely shut
him down because he doesn't have a big

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following. He doesn't have a billion
dollars or several billion dollars, and so

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what they've done to him is horrific. And they put him into one of

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these communication management units that are there. Now, this is as you're pointing

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out, you're not going to drive
to tear Hote, Indiana and you see

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a sign out there that says Communications
Management Unit. It's a small part of

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the prison that is there, and
a small part of the one that is

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in Illinois as well, Right,
so this is a subset of that.

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Yeah, and so the terrible CMU
is actually the old federal death row.

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They built a new federal death row
elsewhere in the compound, and then they

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use the old death row as the
CMU. So I've been inside, Timothy

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mcmay sell. And then they leave
up like some of the placardic from what

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it was the death row, and
it's kind of like an obmous morning,

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like, keep doing stuff we don't
like, and we're going to move you

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about. The find way to concoct
something and move you down the road.

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Like there's a lot of subtle coercion, right you mentioned before, the coercion

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is a far of force, and
you know they have to try to maintain

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the appearance that you know, there's
a real public interest in running these units.

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And that's why, in my opinion, you do have the thirty to

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forty five percent kind of like terrorism
material support cases that are there. Those

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are the excuse, right, and
prisoners like myself, like Julie Massange,

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we're the real reason. And so
when you're there, like you, if

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you're me right, when you are
on the phone with the journalists, they

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just hang up the phone, take
your phone away. If your wife points

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you to the press, which data
did with me, you know they throw

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you in solitary. I have all
the paperwork to prove this. I've spoken

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recently in a few places about what
mister Assange can expect to face in the

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CMU. And I think I was
the federal prisoner with a course of conduct

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most similar to mister Massanges because I
was published right. You guys in prison

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in prison do right, and Julian
also he does publish right. They hate

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prison of lawsuits out of the CMU
so they retaliate against any kind of litigation

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to uphold your First Amendic rights.
You know, first they kind of they

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squelch your First Amendment rights, and
then if you try to go to court,

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they retaliate against you further right.
And I think that's something that mister

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Assans, unfortunately, can expect.
When I was preparing a file of lawsuit,

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they said that my attempted lawsuit was
extortion, and they threw me in

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solitary even though courts all around the
country have ruled that. You know,

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to try to say that litigation is
extortion is frivorous. It's patently frivolous.

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It doesn't matter because no one is
prepared in the Bureau of Prisons or in

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the local US district courts to be
fair to you once you're placed in a

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CMU. Unfortunately, in this country, most of our federal judges are former

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DOJ prosecutors, right, and they
get spun that, you know, these

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are terrorists, this is the terrorism
unit. So you're dead on arrival in

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court. You know, even before
you get there, the courts are going

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to want to hear it. I'm
out now. Before I was out,

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I had a federal habeas pending in
the U. S. District Court for

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the Southern District of Indiana. It
was fully briefed. It's been fully briefed

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now since July, and the court
has not ruled on it. Right,

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And I had pro Boto Council helped
me with that case. It's a very

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well prepared case, but they did, you know, And under the rules

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and the statutes in the federal courts, federal habeas is supposed to jump to

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the front of the line. It's
supposed to be the very first thing on

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which a court rules because it affects
somebody's literate right, and the liberty interest

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is one of the highest interests,
if not the highest interest you can have

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in the law in this country.
But if you're filing a habeas from a

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CNU, the court just doesn't rule
on it until you're already out, and

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then they can say it's moved.
You know, you're already out, but

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they avoid having any ruling or they
avoid having the majority of rules that could

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go against the CNU on First Amendment
grounds or on due process grounds. Right.

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So this is something that you filed
up, this is something you filed

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while you were still a prisoner.
There is that correct, and they still

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have not heard of anything. You
expect they're going to delay this and then

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say it's a mood issue. Yeah, I mean that's part of the course

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unfortunately. But at the same time, you have a federal statute and we

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actually put it on the docket to
the judge and asked him to rule.

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He said, look, no,
look, under the rules, this is

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supposed to be the very first thing
the court here's and that will put that

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on the docket. And you know, a few months ago and still so

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let's you know, and I want
to get to your case and let you

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tell what happened with your case and
because you were there under these conditions,

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and Dana was working very hard to
get information out about this and to get

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the information about the way they abused
your case. How you're a political prisoner.

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But do you think you mentioned the
supermax prisons. Do you think that

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they're going to send Julian assigns to
the supermax to the CMU And what is

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the difference between the two in terms
of prisoner population. Well, I think

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they'll send them to the CNU.
The Justice Department has already made what I

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believe was an unqualified assurance to London
that they would not, under any circumstances

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send assage to the supermacs. Right, they've kind of said that they will

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initially put him under what are called
Special Administrative Measures or SAMs, which is

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kind of like the highest classification of
communication restrictions a federal prisoner can be under.

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But you don't need to be under
SALES to be at the CMU.

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I was never understands. But it's
a distinction largely without a difference, right

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right, Like it doesn't you don't
need to be under STAMS. The problem

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for them with SAMs is it would
cause a diplomatic uproar, and the Attorney

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General of the US Attorney General would
actually personally have to sign off on it,

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right, so there is some accountability
there where he could later requestion this

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to why he signed off on this
communication restriction, whether it was constitutional,

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you know all that. To put
you in the CMU, they only need

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to sign off from the associate director
of the Bureau of Prisons. It's nowhere

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near as high level and official,
and those associate directors are like toilet paper.

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They get changed often and pretty much
for the same reasons. So you

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know, it's way more likely that
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And they claim that the CMUs are
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or significant about the hardships in the
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US courts. The US courts uplarly
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of course, though it's not a
general population Theoretically, I was supposed to

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get two fifteen minute phone calls each
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I was supposed to be allowed to
call the media, you know, and

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I didn't even get those. But
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the average federal prisoner, depending on
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this is in flux now with some
of the prisoner form stuff going on,

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but they get three hundred to five
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CMU prisoners get most thirty a week, and a lot of the times they

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don't even get that for various reasons. They can just lock the unit down

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without providing a reason and give no
on their phone calls. And that goes

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for days on end. If you
if you miss your calls through no fault

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of your own, like if there's
a technical issue with the equipment, which

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which has happened. Uh, you
know, you just don't get your call

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and there's there's no makeup call.
You have no in person contact business.

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So in the CNU, whereas in
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So Dana was unable to hug me
for four years. And then after NBC

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dropped the four part document series on
my case and Justina Peltier, the Bureau

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of Persons simply deleted data from my
contact information, would not allow me to

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readd her never served me any paperwork
to say that you know, I did

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anything wrong or Data did anything wrong. Uh. And I was not able

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to speak to Data for the last
seven or eight months. Wow that I

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was going to see and news.
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Herriaku, who is the CIA whistle
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I was discussing a different case that
we get into that uh effects Operation Fast

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and Fear, so the efforts to
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was talking with John, they didn't
They clearly didn't like that they heard Fast

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and Ferience. They cut off my
call of him. Would now let me

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call him again? I have a
nephew who is an attorney, so he

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was kind of my last resort.
I thought, okay, they really should

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mess with calls to a licensed attorney. My nephew was trying to help me

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with my case, trying to help
me find counsel in the area. The

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calls were of legal nature. I
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been applied, and you know the
facts upon which there are reasonable inferences of

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retaliation, a very similar set of
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to experience himself. And they just
cut off by calls to my nephew,

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would let me call him any So
for my last several months in the CMUs,

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I couldn't call anybody. They just
deacted me to my phone account.

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They never said that I built the
rule. They never gave me any kind

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of hearing of any kind, right, And that's part of the course when

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you do things that upset them.
But Dana quoted me to a reporter of

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RT, and RT ran an article
with my quotes, right, and they

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took my phone away for nine months
and added twenty seven days to my sense

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for being pal by media. Right, and these these are just these are

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just some examples, right, And
this is unfortunately what he's going to run

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into. And he's not the type
to the client. Yes it was off

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and I get that, but unfortunately
that means he's going to run into this

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retaliation over and over and over.
So they can make the pledge that there's

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not going to he's not going to
be put in a supermax. They can

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say that he's not going to get
the special administrative things that Sam and uh.

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And yet you know why they don't. We're not going to put it

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in a c what's that said,
They're not going to put Yeah, that's

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right. Nobody knows about the CMU. Really, it's that that is not

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out there. And so it's like, oh, okay, well, I

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guess we got all the bases covered. No, they're not talking about the

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CMU. They're keeping that kind of
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he's going to get there. And
so, and just to give you an

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example of Dad, right when I
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got their phone calls, but I
did not, even though I was never

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on SAMs. Derek, there was
this period of the cut Dana and they

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just you know, wouldn't let me
speak on the phone. All the activated

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my phone account because I was talking
about Fast and Curious. The guys on

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Singers you are getting their phone.
I was not. They actually treated me

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harsher, the guys who were on
SAMs. But there arguably, I think

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a lot of you those cases are
focused too. But where there's arguably some

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national security basis right where the US
attorney gentleman saw signed off and said this

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prisoner presents national security threat. Those
guys are getting their calls and I was

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not getting one. And the most
amazing thing about it is in your case,

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this is not it wasn't an allegation
of violence or national security threat or

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any that kind of stuff. What
it was was a case of medical kidnapping

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that you worked to expose against Harvard's
Children's Hospital. And because they're so heavily

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connected with government, they used the
government to punish you for that, which

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is which is truly amazing. And
I want to get to that as well.

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But you mentioned and I want to
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and what John Kyaku was talking to
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the Fast and Furious? What is
this information and how did you come by

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him? So there's a prisoner in
the terre Haute CNU right now named Donald

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Reynolds Jr. And his case.
He didn't realize that first. So he's

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a firearms collector. He was when
he was out. He was a firearms

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collector. He had several historically significant
pieces. He had a browning from World

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War Two. The government approached him
and they asked him to be an informant,

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and they had no leverage over him. He was not a criminal.

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They didn't. It wasn't like they
had him on something small or trying to

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turn him or anything like that.
So he refused, right, so the

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feeds show up. They raided his
house, they raided his parents' house.

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They find nothing rog drugs. All
the firearms are legally licensed. He's got

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his Class three stamps, right,
he's got his com paramat. He's a

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compliance with state law, federal law
and everything. But they can cot this

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drug case, this drug trafficking case
against him, even though they've they've found

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no drugs and they've never found any
drugs, and they used that to kind

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of silence him. As the years
go by, they give him life plus

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seventy five. Wow, in this
case is the first time non violent offender

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with no drugs found give life plus
seventy five. In comparison, el Chapel

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got life plus fifteen right, So
they actually gave Donnie a Marshers sentence that

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el Chapel. As the years go
by, Donnie starts putting stuff together,

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the names and dates in his case
right, and he went to trial.

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He forced them to go to trial
like any in this advent ordered you to

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assume any in this advanak And he
starts to realize that all the names and

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the dates overlapped with fast periods,
and it took years for the information had

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come out right. And so then
I write about his case from inside the

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CMU, which was difficult to do, but I got it done. And

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the American Conservative did a month long
investigation. They published a feature under the

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headline the Knoxville Kingpin. Who Wasn't
They go all of Donnie's case, They

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go all the names and the dates. They conclude in the end that this

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case is, you know, certainly
adjacent to fast and furious. The names

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and the dates everything lines up,
and they recommend clemency for Donnie because of

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the prosecutorial irregularities, and they found
several witnesses and I'm sure this doesn't surprise

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many in your audience, but it
would surprise it like the average member of

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the public. They found several instances
where federal prosecutors filed affidated saying this this

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person told us X. Our federal
agent says, this source claimed X.

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They then compared the trial testimony of
these witnesses, who sang a very different

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team to trot right. So either
the prosecutor was lying or the source was

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never credible in the first place.
And that's kind of the story of Donnie's

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case. And he's been fighting to
try get out, fighting to try to

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expose this, and they threw in
a CMU and they retaliate against him viciously,

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right. And my theory on it
is, you know, the US

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House of repersitives during the Obama administration
issued a subpoena to the White House for

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records on Operation Fast Experience. Obama
asserted executive privilege to quash that subpoena,

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and we never got the records from
the White House about Fast Experience, Fast

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and Furious. For those who don't
know, the Justice Department allowed high power

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under penetrating firearms and ammunition to go
to walk from the United States to the

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Mexican drug cartels, the Mexican drug
cartels that used those firearms to massacre people,

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Mexican nationals, and also three federal
agents when were shot by these webons.

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Okay, yeah, and that was
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was something that actually a gun walker
program began under Bush. Yeah, and

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then Againe receiver. Yeah, it
became fast and furious under Obama. So

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it really is you know, the
atf through both of these administrations. As

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you see over and over again.
You know, whether it's a Republican Demo

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or Democrat that is in office,
these same types of things are happening.

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And it was really to carry the
water for the UN Arms Trade Treaty,

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which wanted to make it they wanted
to make a case that you had small

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arms that we would you know,
typically keep pistols and rifles and things like

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that. Small arms are going back
and forth creating this this this crime problem

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in Mexico, and the UN Arms
Trade Treaty was saying we've got to stop

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that trafficking in arms across the border, which means that you're going to have

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have to have every piece of firearms
or ammunition or whatever identified and recorded in

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the United States. That was their
end goal. That was the UN gun

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control move, the UN Arms Trade
Treaty, and that's what this was all

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set up to support. And I
think even the New York Times after this

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all blew up and they had these
federal agents get killed. I think even

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the New York Times said that this
was a false flag. Everybody understood it

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was a false flag. Okay,
yeah, yeah. So so Donnie,

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right, he puts this outget and
trying to get out. He's try to

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get back into court. The Obama
administration had the PS quashed under executive privilege,

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right, which a president can claim
whatever the US Attorney General briefs some

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on the matter. It's analogous roughly
to regular attorney client privilege, except between

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the president and the attorney general.
Right. The problem for Donnie and for

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the Justice Department rise is because Donnie's
defense was entitled under the Fifth Amendment and

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under Brady v. Mearat, that's
the discovery case where the government's got turnover

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all all this evidence to your defense
council, including evidence that speaks to your

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innocence, evidence that is not favorable
to the prosecution. The prosecution doesn't just

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get to bury that thing have to
turn over to the defense. So this

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information was never turned over to Donnie's
defense. Nothing about Fast inferiors was turned

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over to Donnie's defense. This isn't
appellation, right. If it's proven that

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thing with hell this information, Donnie's
conviction gets reversed. He gets to come

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back into court, and as long
as his liberty is on the line,

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they cannot use executive privilege to quash
Brady because the liberty interest trump's the executive

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privilege interest, though the congressional legislative
interest does not trump executive privilege. But

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Donnie's liberty interest dots right. And
so if he ever gets back into court,

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they're either going to have to drop
the case, but the truth about

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Fast and Faari's is going to come
out, right, and so he like

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myself and I feared julianaissance right.
This is a great example of the type

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of case that's in the CMU,
that is that there's no purpose to protect

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the public. There's no public safety
interest, there's no compelling interest to protect

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prison authorities. Donnie has never been
violent, he's not accused of violence,

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and you know, but they'll they'll
use the CMU in his case and in

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Juliet's case, and in my case, in Shafford Cox's case. And there's

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another gentleman, marriamed Kurt Johnson.
Kurt's a great guy. He interceded to

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stop a murder in the CNU after
they had already been one murder. There's

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a second, and mister Johnson stepped
in and stopped it. He was suing

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big banks on behalf of homeowners in
two thousand and eight before the financial crisis.

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Second, with the loans for print. It's preying a bell. Yeah

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right, Yeah, he gets sentenced, you know, a few months before

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the crisis. Uh, everything hits
the fan, right, And if his

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case had then a few months later, maybe it would would work out very

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differently. Right. But that's another
guy who was there in the CMU.

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And again it would be very embarrassing
for the system. And you know who

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went to jail over the two thousand
eight financial prices, the wisdom, that's

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right, only the whistle blower went
the prison. Right. So these are

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the types of cases that are in
the CMUs. Wow. Wow. And

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of course John Kiriaku, the whistleblower
about the torture. Did they not have

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the CMUs at that point in time? I know where did they put him

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when he was in? So he
has written, I'm not allowed to have

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any direct communication with Mistercurity since I'm
still on supervised release, right, so

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I have to preface with that,
right. But h I do recall that

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while I was all my way to
the CMU, uh, mister Carrier who

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brought wrote about my case and he
said that he was he had been placed

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in a modified CMU at f c
I and the REDA painted And I have

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not heard that there was a modified
CMU. There No one else that I

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know if has heard about that.
But given that he was ci A,

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it's certainly very it's certainly possible,
if not likely, that they did something

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very special with him, even by
CMU standards. Oh yeah, yeah,

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they probably. Yeah, they probably
did their own his own individualized CU just

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for him. That's that's probably exactly
what happened. Well, let's talk a

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little bit about your case, because
I think it's interesting to see the links

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that they will go to to put
somebody in and to severely restrict their communications

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to punish you. As you pointed
out, if somebody does an article about

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you, or you have a communication
you were trying to You were able to

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kind of some of your legal proceedings, were able to get some information out

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that way to your wife, but
they pretty much kept everything excuse me about

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this sneezer, They pretty much kept
everything under control. And tell us a

407
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little bit about why you got there, because it truly is your case is

408
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truly astounding. You are not a
threat to anyone other than a very highly

409
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:30.160
political, politically connected, and very
powerful wealthy organization. And so we could

410
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see this type of thing happening.
For example, if somebody were to expose

411
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.759
and be a whistleblower about Pfizer or
something like that. Right, because these

412
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people are very highly it doesn't even
have to be a health issue. It

413
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could be any kind of a whistleblower
who was exposing information about a politically connected

414
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organization or corporation. So tell us
a little bit about the background of your

415
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:56.240
case. So there was at the
time she was fourteen years old, a

416
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girl named Justina Pellettier. She has
might adrial disease, which is, you

417
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:07.960
know, a congenital genetic condition that's
degenerative, progressive and sadly often fatal.

418
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.839
It's the same condition that baby Charlie
Guard had, or the same type of

419
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:17.640
condition that baby Charlie Guard had in
the UK, and there was a more

420
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:22.039
recent instance of another child in the
UK who had this condition, and they

421
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.920
effectively just pulled the plug on them. They would not allow the parents to

422
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:30.960
seek the experimental therapies to try to
help these kids. Justina has a subthing,

423
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:36.559
more survivable form of it. Mitochondrial
disease is like an umbrella term for

424
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:41.200
a bunch of different genetic disorders,
so no tube cases are really the same.

425
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:48.160
Her gastro enterologists had moved from Tuft's
University Medical Center to Harvard's Boston Children's

426
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:56.440
Hospital, and Justina caught the food
and the flud causes severe complications for mitochondrial

427
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:02.559
disease patients because Nida was none of
your cells and your body have a hard

428
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:06.720
time converting food into chemical energy to
run the body systems. So then when

429
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:08.839
the patient gets the food and has
nausea and has a hard time eating,

430
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.440
right, you're compounding this metabolic problem
because you know the food that was getting

431
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.759
in already had a hard time being
converted to energy. Now you're stopping the

432
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.960
food from getting in in the first
place, right, So her primary mino

433
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:26.599
doctor, renowned guy named doctor Corson
at Tufts, refers to Steena to see

434
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.359
her gastonerologists, who you know,
the month before was working at Tufts,

435
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.559
and this would have been no problem. She would have gone right in the

436
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.240
toughs and seen him. But he
had moved to Boston Children's Hospital. I

437
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.720
think it was to presume to pursue
a grant. So he refers to her

438
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.240
to Boston Children's Hospital to see her
gastonerologists. This is a doctor who had

439
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.839
been with her for years. This
gastrent urologist had actually operated on her to

440
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.079
put her in pecostomy too, to
help her use the bathroom. But she

441
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.519
gets to Boston Children's Hospital via ambulance
like three o'clock in the morning on a

442
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:02.880
Sunday during the blizzard that the gas
parentologist is not there. She gets seen

443
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.480
by a young neurologist a few months
out of his medical training. He doesn't

444
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:14.559
believe that Justina has mitochondrial disease.
He refers to parents for medical child abuse,

445
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.519
basically munchause and syndrome by proxy,
where the his theory effectively, it

446
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.960
seemed to be that Justina's parents were
seeking attention and making her sick just to

447
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.640
kind of bring attention onto themselves.
It ignored the diagnosis. It ignored the

448
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:33.640
fact that Justina's older sister also had
MITO and was successfully treated for mito.

449
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.279
And again, this is a genetic
condition, so it tends to run in

450
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:42.000
families. It tends to be passed
down the maternal line. So he either

451
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:48.400
didn't know or ignored those facts.
Sent Justina for a form of psychological therapy

452
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:53.880
for what they call somatophone disorder or
like psycho semantic disorder, where like you

453
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.519
think you're sick and your brain then
kind of makes you sick or your symptoms

454
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:04.400
fit your her own perception of your
illness. Right, they took Justina off

455
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.359
all her mito treatments, right,
And that was when her parents, you

456
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.519
know, really expressed severe Lauren,
because again, this is a degenerative and

457
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.920
awful fatal illness. You take her
off of her treatments, there's going to

458
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.680
be severely percussions. And we've seen
that there in fact, were you know,

459
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.279
she was walking, she could at
least feel her legs when she walked

460
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.480
into Boston Children's Hospital. She was
having some trouble ambulating because of the fluid

461
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.519
and the lack of energy. But
you know she certainly she she was ice

462
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.559
skating six weeks earlier. Yeah,
I remember seeing the pictures of her inned

463
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.119
skills. Yeah. Now she's crippled. Now, she can't walk right,

464
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.440
and it's because they took her,
in my view, because they took her

465
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:42.920
off of these minotherapies, and we
don't know if she'll ever walk again,

466
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.039
unfortunately. So at the height of
this case, right, the government alleges

467
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:52.200
that I launched the largest distributed Niland
service attack, a DDoS attack that they

468
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:57.279
had ever seen, and I basically
sent too much away from here. I'm

469
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.960
interjecting her for a second, because
this went on for quite some time,

470
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.599
and she's degenerated throughout all of that. Yeah, a clear case of medical

471
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.880
kidnapping. And there's been other allegations
of medical kidnapping by other people over and

472
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.400
over again from this particular institution.
And so this has gone on for quite

473
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.000
some time before these allegations came out. But go ahead. What they had

474
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.400
a word for it at Boston Children's
Hospital, they called it a parent dectity.

475
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.519
R appendectinity is removal of the appendix. A hysterectomy is removal of the

476
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.279
uterus, right, like a parent
dectity, removal of the parents. Right,

477
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.279
that's what these doctors called it.
That came out of the Boston Globe.

478
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.240
Wow. And at one point,
so Boston Children's Hospital is monitoring,

479
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.759
or between Loston Children's Hospital and the
state, they're monitoring Justina's communications. They're

480
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.720
clamping down on Justina's communications. It
was almost like she was in her own

481
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.000
little CMU inside Boston Children's Hospital.
Yeah, she couldn't discuss her care or

482
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.119
treating with her parents if they would
terminate the call or terminate the visit.

483
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.960
They limited the parents to one twenty
minute one call a week, and I

484
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.759
think one in person visit for like
forty minutes or an hour or something like

485
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:04.519
that, and again control the topics
of conversation to prevent anything from getting out.

486
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.199
They would not allow the parents to
photograph Justina, so they couldn't document,

487
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.639
right, and show the public that
she was deteriorating. Right, They

488
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:14.880
couldn't show the public what she looked
like now versus what she looked like before.

489
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.039
Right. So at the kind of
the height of this, Justina's parents

490
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:24.960
published a handwritten note by Justina where
she talked about the kinds of things that

491
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.800
the psych where people had done her
right, and it was they hurt me

492
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:32.320
all the time. They don't let
me sleep very much, please Harry,

493
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.639
right, and so like that note
comes out like the day before, the

494
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.880
government alleges I launched this huge distributed
denial of service, and basically the charges

495
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.719
against me amount to sending too much
internet traffic at somebody's networks. Right,

496
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.360
that's what we're no, that's what
we're talking. Never claimed that I this

497
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.920
happened, is that the patient information
that I have repenetrated the system broke into

498
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.159
anything, you know, did anything. What I did was I took down

499
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:04.679
their donation fort That's right. That
was the allegation. Yeah, taking down

500
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.280
their donation thing. Not that that
anybody was harmed by this, but just

501
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:13.239
taking down their donation thing during a
fundraiser event. They alleged that people were

502
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.599
harmed or could have been harmed,
but the jury would have convict on it

503
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.679
when all the facts, when all
the facts were aired at court, they

504
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.280
did not obtain a conviction. Uh. They tried, and under the Federal

505
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.360
Wall, the bar is so low
for them. All they had to prove

506
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:31.800
was that I potentially not even actually
but potentially impacted the medical diagnosis, treatment

507
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.320
he care of one individual. And
they couldn't meet that book. They failed

508
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.440
to meet that ball in federal order
with the pro government judge. Yeah,

509
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:46.559
everything going forward them, and they
would not allow me to plead defense of

510
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:52.119
another Like if I'm in a dark
gay and I see someone being attacked with

511
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.199
a knife or with a gun,
right, and I shoot the assampl right,

512
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.800
and then they charged me with murder. Right, in the United States,

513
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.119
you're supposed to be able to plead
defense of another. Right. It's

514
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.480
just like self defense if someone were
to attack you and you were to take

515
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.800
action and defend your own life.
If someone were to attack your wife and

516
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.920
you took action to defend your your
wife's life. Where someone wanted to attack

517
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.599
your child, you were to take
action to defend your child's life. Right.

518
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.679
So they just would ut me argument. They took it away, they

519
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.920
took it out of the jury's purview. They told the jury instead that my

520
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.320
good motive was no excuse for the
crimes charged. Wow. Right, And

521
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.920
then we find out that the federal
judge who sits on my case U is

522
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:36.639
a Clerk, shareholder director of a
for profit family seafood business called Slave Burgen

523
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.840
and Code Bank, that Slave Gurgling
Codeinc. Donates to Boston Children's Hospital.

524
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:45.159
That Boston Children's Hospital publicly thanks Slave
Burden and Kobank on the very same website

525
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:52.000
the government alleges I brought down.
We find out that the Harvard hospitals that

526
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:58.400
were all eventually affected by the didas
do industry research for Slave Gorgon and Kobeank

527
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:02.800
and an industry trade group called the
Seafood Nutrition Partnership to market the company's products

528
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:08.480
to the public as part healthy We
find out that the judge was a board

529
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:14.079
member and a member of the corporation
of an organization called the New England Home

530
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.480
for Little Wanderers, that his brother
was also a board member of this organization,

531
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:23.199
and that this organization since two thousand
and three is partnered with Boston Children's

532
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:30.039
Hospital to divert juvenile psychiatric inpatients to
outpatients stay, which is what they were

533
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.239
trying to do with Justina as soon
as she became hot potato, right.

534
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.920
And then we find out that one
of my jurors in this case majority that

535
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.840
was supposedly drawn randomly was an accountant
for the Home for Little Wanders. And

536
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.679
she steps forward on the first day
of trial and says, hey, I

537
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.199
was an accountant for the moving them
home for the Little Wanders. I learned

538
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.440
this might cause of this truck.
And we moved to dismiss this juror.

539
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.400
And the judge refuses, and the
judge never disclosed it. Yeah, and

540
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.039
he never discloses that he was a
board member at the Nengland Home for Little

541
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.239
Wanners. Then we find out that
the first witness in the case, the

542
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:08.719
government's first witness, was a contractor
with an agency that actually did the it

543
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.599
work for the Marlin Home for Little
Wanders. Wow. And the judge never

544
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.159
discloses this and and never never re
chooses from the case, right, and

545
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.920
the number of the connections, I
mean, this is just stretching the surface

546
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:22.000
in my case. And I have
all the documents to prove it. And

547
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.760
you mentioned that there's a new filing
in my case. I've moved to vacate

548
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:30.119
the conviction. You get one chance
after your appeals, and then you get

549
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:35.920
one further chance in the federal law
to attack the conviction. And I've moved

550
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.679
to do that. And the filing
is pending in the US District Court in

551
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.639
Boston right now, but unfortunately it's
pending before the very same district judge,

552
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:46.519
the same the same person all these
confidence and interest gets to decide, you

553
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.320
know, whether the conviction should be
overturned. Wow. And when we look

554
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:52.760
at Julian Assigne, I didn't get
into this earlier in the program, but

555
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.880
the judge where there's two judges that
are residing over the saying, one of

556
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:02.000
these two judges has a very very
long history with British Intelligence, the Ministry

557
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.960
of Defense. He has even been
involved in enhanced interrogation cases and things like

558
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:13.119
that. Just like, oh yeah, and so I mean he's got a

559
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.480
very very long history with the very
people who are coming after Juliana science just

560
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:22.800
like this judge in your case and
songs will be tried in the Eastern District

561
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.119
of Virginia over here in the United
States. That's the jurisdiction where they indicted

562
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.239
him. That's known as the intelligence
pool, right to people like John carry

563
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.559
Akou, Everett Snow and Julian Assings. Right, that's where they bring all

564
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:39.079
these intelligence cases. And basically your
jury pool is Alexandria, Virginia, your

565
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:45.599
jury pool is pulled from these very
same federal agencies and the US judges,

566
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.719
Unfortunately, they don't disclose largely.
The Wall Street Journal a couple of years

567
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.960
ago published a front page expose.
They found that one hundred and thirty one

568
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.800
US federal judges had sat over six
hundred and fifty presided over six hundred and

569
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.760
fifty cases in which the judge owned
an equity interest in one of the parties.

570
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:07.239
So that's like Microsoft sues Amazon.
The judge owned stock in Microsoft,

571
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:12.840
and the judge does not disclose,
right and does not recuse himself right.

572
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.320
And to put that into perspective because
the Wall Street Journal, I don't know

573
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.880
why they didn't, they never did. The US doesn't have that many federal

574
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.519
judges. One hundred and thirty one
federal judges is about one six. It's

575
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.519
about one six for the federal judges. So with a very uh, you

576
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.440
know, I mean less than comprehensive, I mean it was. It was

577
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:35.159
good work that the Wall Street Journal
did, and I'm not trying to impute

578
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:39.920
it, but their search was just
like surfacelel right, and with a comprehensive

579
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.440
and that they went over and they
judges disclosures, but they didn't look too

580
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.800
deeply into each particular judge situation.
They found that one in six US judges

581
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.679
broke the law when it comes to
recuse it. Right. Now, imagine

582
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.960
what a deeper analysis would do.
And imagine Julian's judges in the Eastern District

583
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.559
of Virginia, right, who likely
have serious ties to these contractors like we

584
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:07.800
own uh stop right in companies like
wlfurd Bumman right, and the other defense

585
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.239
contractors right, the people who sold
sold the tanks, right, the people

586
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.639
who sell the weapons, you know, to the military. Uh. And

587
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.280
you know, Julian arguably cost him
a lot of business because he made it

588
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.599
a lot harder to continue to prosecute
before the rack in Afghanistan, they lost

589
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.039
a lot of money. Yeah,
because of his reporting. Yeah. Well,

590
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.360
it truly is amazing. And of
course you're talking about a surface looking

591
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:35.079
at conflict of interest. They wouldn't
have probably discovered the kind of connections that

592
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.719
you discovered with this judge if they
just did a service analysis. Exactly.

593
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.880
It was a couple of different levels
deeper than just the surface. Yeah,

594
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.400
and that's exactly my point. And
you know, they discouraged attorneys from looking

595
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.480
into these issues, and most attorneys, like my attorneys, would not find

596
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:58.159
to recuse my district judge. They
feared him so much they feared retaliation from

597
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.840
him. At least That's the only
logical ext a nation that I was ever

598
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.000
able to conjure, was that they
feared this guy so much they will not

599
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.079
brief the issue. And so I
was I was about to do it from

600
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.119
say and then you know, if
you if you brief something like this,

601
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.679
I represented they you know, they
try to act like you're some crack pop,

602
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.679
right, like the lawyer who has
himself for a client as a fool,

603
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.760
right, But like at the same
time they make sure that none of

604
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.760
the quarticoined attorneys are ever going to
brief this, and they did it very

605
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:30.039
elected that even a product retained attorney
whatever brief this. And then you try

606
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.199
to brief it yourself, even if
you have all the documents, all the

607
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:36.320
evidence, right, they say you're
something that because you represent yourself, well,

608
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.440
you really are a fighter, and
it is truly. I'm sorry for

609
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.159
what happened to you. But how
long were you And you went into the

610
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.719
supermax in twenty nineteen, so you
were there a little bit less than five

611
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.280
years. How long were you in
that not the Supermax and CMU? Yeah,

612
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.760
how long are you? I was
never in the Superman? How long

613
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.280
were you incarcerated? For sure?
So I was in the CMUs one way

614
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.400
or another from April first, twenty
nine team to June ninth of twenty twenty

615
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.800
three, so really more than four
years. I was split between the two

616
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.599
facilities. I did time in both. If I've seen both, there are

617
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:15.039
some meaningful differences, but nothing really
that you know, would affect Julian or

618
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.840
or nothing that would affect his extradition
case, right, Like the bottom line

619
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.000
is that they're going to put in
all of these units. They're going to

620
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.239
do so for unconstitutional reasons. They're
going to violate his constitutional rights. There's

621
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:29.519
there's really no reason that Britain should
extradite him, and there is no representation

622
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.320
from the US government that is credible
right in terms of preserving his rights.

623
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.079
And if we're just real here,
he's only being prosecuted because he told the

624
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:43.360
truth. Right. People found that
embarrassing and it went against you know,

625
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.119
powered moneyed interests. And there used
to be a time, I feel in

626
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.119
this country where that wouldn't be an
issue where they wouldn't be able to go

627
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:57.000
after you like this and with a
saget in particular. Right, they agonized

628
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:02.119
for Britain this case because you know
the verifications of the about administration. They

629
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:06.480
called it the New York Times problem. How are they going to justify prosecuting

630
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.239
Massage but not prosecuting the New York
Times. And the thing is, now,

631
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.159
we're just very selective. Federal laws
are written in such a way that

632
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.199
they can pick on anybody that's right. Right, Well, well, I'm

633
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:21.000
starting to see what we're starting to
see is in the UK they said,

634
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:22.880
well, if you're an accredited organization, you know, you get a different

635
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:30.119
standard. So we have a dual
standard for so called non accredited non establishment

636
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.440
media than there is for other people
and for anybody who is exercising their free

637
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.679
speech. And as Ed Snowden pointed
out, he said, what he's being

638
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.079
accused of are crimes against a state, and the extradition treaty between the US

639
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:47.840
and the UK specifically excludes somebody from
being extradited for crimes against the state.

640
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.519
Most extradition treaties have carbots for political
offenses or that kind of thing. That's

641
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:58.519
something that you expect to see in
an extradition treat Yeah, and yet what

642
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:04.159
we have now is all of the
Western governments are rapidly moving towards criminalizing descent.

643
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.239
And that is what's so concerning about
this. They're moving against the press,

644
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:13.519
the independent press, they're moving against
individuals exercising their free speech. But

645
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:17.719
it is all about criminalizing descent and
criminalizing information. It's not enough for them

646
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.480
to ban people, it's not enough
for them to financially deprogram people. They

647
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.039
have to now move to criminal penalties. We see this happening throughout Europe.

648
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:34.440
There's the movement towards this in the
US as well. It's a very foreboding

649
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:39.079
harbinger of what is on its way
when they can do this to Julian Assige

650
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.360
and you point out the New York
Times problem, going back to the New

651
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.960
York Times and the Washington Post and
Pentagon papers, they didn't come after the

652
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:51.760
press people. It's one of the
reasons why they're alleging that he had incentivized

653
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:57.199
somebody to get these papers. And
is so tenuous what they're coming after for.

654
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:02.000
It's pretty transparent that this is political
persecution. Yeah, I mean,

655
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:09.039
what journalists would not encourage a source
to come forward, and how explicit does

656
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:13.360
that encouragement have to become before it's
a problem, you know, I mean

657
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:15.719
the conspiracy laws of the United States, even a tacit agreement they call it

658
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:21.440
an unspoken tacit agreement, is enough
to find a conspiracy. So under this

659
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.360
theory, really any journalist who runs
a secure drop box right could be could

660
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:32.000
be said to be tacitly encouraging people
to violate the classification the espionage right.

661
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:36.639
And so you know, it's it's
just it's a very simpler stop. But

662
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.119
I agree to wholeheartedly with your comment
about the way the scent is being criminalized,

663
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:43.880
and I think it really on the
other side of it, right,

664
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.719
it shows that for the most part, these government narratives are so weak,

665
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.320
so flawed, that they know they
cannot stand the scrutiny. But when you

666
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:57.440
feel it's really confident about your perspective
about what you're doing, your actions,

667
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.559
right, you don't mind the scrutiny. I have no It never bothers me

668
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.199
to get a top interview question about
Justina, about like what if this had

669
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.880
done whatever. I'll answer those questions. I don't mind being in the hot

670
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.719
seat and answer a difficult question,
because I truly knave you what I did.

671
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:15.480
I think it passes must right.
But when you know your argument is

672
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.679
weak, that's when you can't have
people question that's right. And we've seen

673
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.239
this with the so called science behind
climate change. It's so called science behind

674
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.639
the pandemic and everything. Oh,
you can't see my data, I'm not

675
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:30.280
going to you dare not question me
about this. And so immediately when somebody

676
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:31.840
shuts this thing down and they don't
want to show you their data, if

677
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.719
they're talking about science or they want
to shut down anything that is about dis

678
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:43.000
scent and claim national security of some
sort, we know exactly what is happening

679
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.719
with it. And as you point
out, they're very they're very fearful about

680
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.480
this. They understand now how weak
they are in this. But it is

681
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.159
also something that makes them a lot
more dangerous because they're going to start lashing

682
00:47:54.199 --> 00:48:00.239
out in new ways against people in
terms of punishments and even imprisonment for this.

683
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:05.719
And it is really sad to see
how every aspect of the First Amendment

684
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.760
is actually being just trashed and treaded
with these actions. Yeah, and if

685
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:15.719
they succeed in expediting massage, right, then the message really is that they

686
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.719
can get any whistle lower anywhere.
Yes, this is this is a test

687
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.039
case, right, right, If
they succeed in getting hammed, right,

688
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:28.119
that means that they can get you
in the UK all the common donations,

689
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.079
they can get you anywhere in asient, they can get anywhere where they have

690
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:35.760
influence, anywhere they're able to hold
aid or cooperation or any of these kind

691
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:40.159
of uniladel of bilateral diplomatic arrangements.
Right. And the US does by influence

692
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.039
all over the world. You know, all that aid we give, we

693
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.320
don't do whatever the business of our
hearts. And you know we do that

694
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.440
to buy influence. And you know, at the same time, you have

695
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.960
a foreign corpt practices act like I
can't bribe a customs agent. You know,

696
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.400
if I went on vacation at the
Bahamas and I'm going to get some

697
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.440
liquor or something I'm not supposed to
bring in, if I still think I

698
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:04.960
had twenty right, I've committed a
felony ate practice. But if the US

699
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.920
government gives some country a billion dollars
worth of day, say the fire and

700
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:14.360
prosecutor looking Ato, you know,
suck on some that's perfectly meaning that's perfectly

701
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.840
leading. Yeah, so twenty I'm
going to person. He does twenty to

702
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.800
my animal which I paid taxes.
Yeah, I'm going to prison. He

703
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:28.719
does it with a billion dollars voo
moning. Uh don't even don't you dare

704
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.320
ask? Oh? Yeah, yeah. It's amazing that the double standards and

705
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.280
just the corruption, the corruption,
the ruthlessness as we turn more and more

706
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.559
authoritarian in terms of what is happening
with your case now, uh you got

707
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:46.800
this uh this action that is pending. There is that uh what I know

708
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:52.960
that Kariaku served his time and was
released. He wanted to get a pardon

709
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:58.440
because if you've got a criminal record
that uh uh limits you during certain things,

710
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.639
certain activities. U. In his
particular case, it was keeping him

711
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.920
from getting his pension, and of
course the interesting story that he had about

712
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.800
Rudy Giuliani wanting a couple of million
dollars to do that for him with Donald

713
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.039
Trump. But apart from that,
I mean, is that in play with

714
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:19.440
the filings that you have, there
is that part of it. So clemency

715
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.119
comes later or usually flatter. It
can be granted at any time. But

716
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.920
one of the arguments that they try
to use against you when you when you

717
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.519
go for a pardon, right,
is that you have to exhaust everything at

718
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.639
the courts. Right. They don't. They're not trying to preempt the courts,

719
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.639
Jenny, Right. The president has
the progative to do whatever he wants.

720
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.239
But the kind of accepted practice going
back many decades is first to exhaust

721
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.719
everything in the courts. You give
the courts the opportunity to do what's right.

722
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.480
Right. So I'm still kind of
at that stage. And but if

723
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:52.280
this fan is, then yes,
the next thing, next thing up would

724
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.719
be would be a pardon. I
feel I'm a good candidate for that,

725
00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.000
especially given what happened to Justina,
what Loston Children's Hospital Bill has been seen

726
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:06.960
doing after Justina. They really have
kind of committed themselves as a partisan political

727
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:12.039
organ that comes with benefits the institution, but it also comes also has other

728
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.519
verifications, right, which which means
that you know, my case might be

729
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:21.199
viewed in parts of the light because
of the partisanship of this of the other

730
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.639
actor. So yeah, I mean, my effort, my focus, first

731
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.840
and foremost has to be the litigation
at least for now, and then we'll

732
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.280
see what happens after that. Well, I certainly I wish you the best

733
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.880
with that, and again I appreciate
your tireless efforts to help other people and

734
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:45.599
the CMU that are unjustly convicted,
that are political prisoners, to expose this

735
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:52.360
kind of incarceration that is directed towards
political prisoners enemies of the state for whatever

736
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.480
reason. And we've seen this net
continue to get wider and wider, going

737
00:51:55.559 --> 00:52:00.079
after parents who speak out at a
school board meeting, for example. It

738
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:05.159
is absolutely insane to see the way
they are extending these borders of people that

739
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.280
they alleged to be threats to them, extremists, terrorists and all the rest

740
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:15.519
of this stuff. It is they
have more to support their the that's right,

741
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.719
yeah, yeah, they are desperate. And so people can find you

742
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.760
again at substack martyg dot substack dot
com. And of course, while you

743
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:28.840
were still incarcerated, your wife Dana
ran a lot of social media platforms on

744
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.840
Facebook and other places that were under
free Marty g. And those are still

745
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:38.280
available as well. People can find
you also on Twitter at Marty goddessfeld G

746
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.840
O T T E, S F
E l D. But again, Martig

747
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.400
dot substack dot com is really probably
the best place for people to find you,

748
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:51.679
isn't it? Because yes, good, thank you, Thank you so

749
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:53.000
much, Marty, thank you for
the work that you do. It is

750
00:52:53.119 --> 00:53:07.199
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751
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752
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753
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754
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755
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