1
00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:22,519
Welcome back, everyone to a new
episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and

2
00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,399
David Harsani and Molly. Today we
have a special episode. We have a

3
00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:30,039
Q and A episode or is it
an ama? Is that what they used

4
00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:33,520
to call it? Oh right,
ask me anything. We ask me Molly

5
00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:39,920
Hemingway and David Harsani, mostly Molly
Hemingway. I have the questions. You

6
00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,119
do not. I feel, yeah, you're going to ask the questions,

7
00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:47,679
whether they're of me or you.
I have no idea what the questions are,

8
00:00:47,719 --> 00:00:51,640
but you know what all the questions
are, right, I think that

9
00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,719
the spontaneity of such a someone's got
to ask the questions unless we brought a

10
00:00:56,759 --> 00:00:59,799
third person in to do it.
So I'll ask them because a lot of

11
00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:02,840
them directed it you. In fact, I wanted to mention before we started

12
00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,560
that I don't know that people or
many of our listeners understand what the word

13
00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,760
question means because it says in the
subject line question for Molly or question for

14
00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,239
Molly and David, and then the
rest of the email is just about how

15
00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,680
great is Molly the greatest or just
great? Like that kind of question,

16
00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:23,519
which is not really a questions.
I want to Yeah, all right,

17
00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,200
this is our We've done fifty episodes
of this. It's pretty amazing, right.

18
00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:34,120
Time flies. Yeah, since I
came back to the Federalist, I

19
00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:36,840
want to quickly say also that I
went through tons of emails, and I

20
00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:40,560
have to say I think one of
our most popular episodes, or the episode

21
00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:44,480
that and most people writing, was
our free trade argument episode where I do

22
00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,319
I just yelled at you the whole
time. And then yeah, and then

23
00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,599
some of the other like Russia Gates
Russia, I woulda Russia Gate, Russia

24
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,040
collusion stuff was pretty popular. Anyway, I'm going to start with a question

25
00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,599
from me. I had a question
for you that I've never asked day.

26
00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,680
Okay, so I know you are
a while and you know, we work

27
00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:09,199
with a lot of other conservatives who
are in the conservative world. I haven't

28
00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:13,400
always been there. I think you've
been in the conservative world longer than I

29
00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:17,000
have in DC. I moved here
and around, I don't know, twenty

30
00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:22,280
twelve something like that. Can you
tell us a little in the audience,

31
00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,240
a little bit about your journey,
like not your biography, but your philosophical

32
00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,319
journey, Like were you always a
conservative? Did you grow up a conservative?

33
00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:31,599
Was your family conservative, Like,
how did you come to have the

34
00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:36,240
opinions you do? Oh, that's
I like this question. I was very

35
00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,960
nervous that you were going to ask
a question but means really uncomfortable. Okay.

36
00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,479
So I think I'm very much the
product of my parents. So my

37
00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,759
dad, when he married my mom, was just very much from a Democrat

38
00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:55,039
family, like Union democrat family,
and he is a pastor. And then

39
00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,199
my mom, despite being a government
school teacher, came from a long line

40
00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,680
of Republicans. Like I remember talking
to my grandmother about how FDR was a

41
00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,039
good president, you know, because
I'd been told that Democrats were bad,

42
00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:10,599
but FDR was a good president.
So I was just repeating what i'd heard

43
00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:14,400
in school or something, and she's
like, I don't know where you heard

44
00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,199
that, but you're wrong, and
let me explain why. Like, you

45
00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:21,039
know, just all of the people
in my mom's family were Republican going way

46
00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:27,199
back, and my mom has a
very strong libertarian streak. My favorite example

47
00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,960
of this was we were visiting I
think I told you this. We were

48
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,400
visiting the Ludlow massacre site, which
was the site of a big Union uprising

49
00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:39,319
that was violently put down in Colorado, and so my dad Union Democrat is

50
00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:46,120
telling this story about how horrible this
corporation was and how they had basically enslaved

51
00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,120
these people in a way because they
had come out to work in this town

52
00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,800
and then they had to give all
their money back to the company, and

53
00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,759
then when they tried to get fairer
conditions, they were all like brutally slaughtered.

54
00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,680
And my mom is just like,
they didn't have to work there.

55
00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:06,360
So that's my you know, very
libertarian mom. So I have both of

56
00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,520
those things in me, a very
strong libertarian streak, and in fact identified

57
00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,240
as a libertarian pretty much my whole
life until I had kids. And I

58
00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:18,040
hate that, you know, because
I had kids later in life, and

59
00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:25,199
all along people would pooh pooh my
libertarianism by saying that when I was older

60
00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,600
and more mature, I wouldn't be
a libertarian anymore. And I was like,

61
00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,279
yeah, well I'm you know,
I'm in my thirties now and it's

62
00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:35,199
still happening. But things that I
liked about what I perceived to be libertarian

63
00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,759
culture, which I actually understood,
I was born in like the classical liberal

64
00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:46,040
side of things, definitely where I
got my skepticism about storylines that are sold

65
00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:51,360
to you in order to engage in
foreign conflict or just like not doing wars

66
00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:56,879
to win. Openness to new ideas, and you know, one thing I

67
00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:00,399
love about libertarian culture is like there's
no idea that's it sounds bad, but

68
00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:03,079
no idea that it's like so far
out there that you can't discuss it.

69
00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:09,519
And the idea is that you rationally
debate all that. Definitely my free market

70
00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,519
love of the market and for my
dad, though I've always had this very

71
00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,240
strong love of people, and I
think about this all the time, like,

72
00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:24,079
particularly when I'm on TV, is
who's going to represent the views of

73
00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,199
the people who are totally not represented
here? And I seek to be liked

74
00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:34,199
by those people rather than the Washington
DC crowd. So I don't even know

75
00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,319
if that answer made sense. Sorry
the journey, though, I do want

76
00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:44,120
to say I thought libertarianism was about, you know, different people cared about

77
00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:49,319
different things, like for me,
religious liberty is number one, and other

78
00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,720
people really cared about like legalizing drugs
or sexual issues or whatever. And I

79
00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,279
kind of thought we all care about
different things, but we're all in this

80
00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:02,319
together. And then when the twenty
thirteen twenty fourteen religious freedom battles happened,

81
00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,160
the Libertarians were nowhere. I mean, they were the worst, and they

82
00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,759
were awful, and I was like, why was I helping these losers out

83
00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:17,360
with their stupid hedonistic pagan like idiocy
that wasn't even that isn't even good,

84
00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:23,240
and they're not even here for like
pretty easy fights on my issue. And

85
00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:27,360
it did create me a little bit
of like, you know, they're the

86
00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,399
people who smoke their whole lives and
then they quit and then they become like

87
00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:35,680
annoyingly anti smoking or whatever. That's
kind I've kind of pretty angry at how

88
00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:42,720
bad libertarians are on everything now,
and but it didn't change my views on

89
00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,920
like like I feel like my views
are very much the same in terms of

90
00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:51,959
I believe in the market, I
hate communism, I do not like stupid

91
00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,839
wars. So but it has changed
a little. I think you're right about

92
00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:05,319
the libertarians where this kind of DC
cosmopolitan libertarian is really concerned about like legalizing

93
00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:11,680
drugs and what do they call prostitutes
now, like sex work and all of

94
00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,920
that kind of thing, and they
call them online prostitutes or online yeah,

95
00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:25,040
or the Colorado's Western style social socially
conservative libertarian. Maybe Ron Paul is more

96
00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,040
sort of emblematic of that kind of
libertarianism. I would say that I felt

97
00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:33,920
the same way around the same time. But I think I've always you know,

98
00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,759
libertarian like conservatives kind of a shorthand
could mean a lot of different things.

99
00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:41,920
Uh. Yeah, So I understand
where you're coming from. I think

100
00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,959
we actually come from the same place, probably not on the foreign policy as

101
00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,920
much, but on the other issues. So that is interesting. That's a

102
00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,720
good question. I do want to
say that it does also this like these

103
00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:56,720
twin ideas are why So I never
really was that political, Like when it

104
00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:01,279
came out to DC, I had
all these political friends I hated. I

105
00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:07,639
hated both political parties. And when
the whole Donald Trump thing happened, though,

106
00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:13,040
there was something about that where my
dad's family and my mom's family both

107
00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:18,040
ended up liking him, and it
was this like unifying thing where they were

108
00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,959
like, if Republicans could be like
this, we would like Republicans and that

109
00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:30,480
is that helped me kind of navigate
and understand the moment. Interesting. It's

110
00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,039
it's interesting too because you know my
background, my parents defected all that,

111
00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,440
so I became probably concerted to that
because of that, and I've always been

112
00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:43,480
a pretty classical overall. But my
family, my dad and my family also

113
00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,440
were very surprising to me right off
the bad big Trump fans, and it

114
00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,440
was it's still sort of a mystery. It's not a mystery to me ever,

115
00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,919
why people would vote for a Republican
of any kind over a Democrat,

116
00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:00,960
but it is a mystery why he
gets such devotees, why they love him

117
00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:05,159
so much, why he connects with
working class people so much. That to

118
00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:09,240
me has always been a mystery,
but I do it does remind me to

119
00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,759
the one. So my parents were
not in any way big fans of Donald

120
00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:16,440
Trump during the primary, but when
he won the primary, they very much

121
00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,600
were. I should say my mom
here. And I was yelling at my

122
00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:26,919
mom coming home from the twenty sixteen
Republican convention about you know, I was

123
00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:31,000
still in anguish about the whole thing, and she hung up on me,

124
00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,639
and I love, like that's not
her style, but she was just sort

125
00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:37,080
of like, I don't have to
deal with this crap anymore and hung up

126
00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,279
on me. And it it really
sent a message loud and clear, and

127
00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,279
I loved my mom, Carolyn.
I should say this in case they're listening.

128
00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:48,799
My mom actually is more of a
she's offended by some of the things

129
00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:50,960
Donald Trump says, who has said
about women and stuff like that. But

130
00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,360
my dad and I think I've related
the story before. I said I was

131
00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,120
having a conversation. It sounded like
he liked Donald Trump. This was during

132
00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,360
the primaries. I'm like, wait, you like Donald Trump? Goes no,

133
00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,559
I love Donald Trum Like, oh
my lord, all right, thank

134
00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:11,039
you for that. Someone asked Jeff, I should give the names everyone down,

135
00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,399
just the first names. I don't
get anyone in trouble asked us what

136
00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,200
the intro too and is to our
podcast, And it's a band called Medications

137
00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,399
and the song is called the Perfect
Target. It's a DC band from their

138
00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,519
early two thousands that I liked and
I just thought it it was a good,

139
00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,159
you know, driving song, guitar
driven song for our intro. What

140
00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,200
can I ask you? How you
you how you pick other music? Because

141
00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,120
we have the same song at the
beginning, right, different songs at the

142
00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,360
end. What is your thinking and
picking a song? Well, I think

143
00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:46,399
Molly, you know that we both
think about that. Well, we try

144
00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:48,639
to think of something we've spoken about. Either the music that we've spoken about,

145
00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,320
or something that relates to a topic
that we have mentioned. So,

146
00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,919
for instance, if I mock you
for liking Broadway musicals, we'll use like

147
00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,360
got like hair, or a song
from air or whatever, right, or

148
00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:07,120
things like that. So people who
listen should pay attention to that song and

149
00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:09,600
try to figure out why we pick
it. I think it might be fun

150
00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,120
for them. We have fun,
I think picking that song. Right.

151
00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,759
Yeah, we waste a lot of
time, a lot of time of that

152
00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,960
song. So I you remember back
when, back when we used to actually

153
00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,559
tape in a studio together, we
would and Madeleine was producing, and we

154
00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:30,600
would waste the beast bulk, Like
the vast majority of our time was like

155
00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:35,039
discussing what songs to do for each
intro outro. It was like a very

156
00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:37,240
important issue for us. We would
sit there for And also she never knew

157
00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,720
any of the songs now because they
were all old people songs, gen x

158
00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:52,320
er songs. Want to win a
free laptop to celebrate the three hundredth episode

159
00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,200
of the Tech It Out radio show
and podcast, where I break down geek

160
00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,200
speak into street speak. Each week, we're giving away in a suss En

161
00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,679
Book fourteen laptop to be eligible to
win, you need to be in the

162
00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,840
continental US at least eighteen years of
age and simply post the hashtag check it

163
00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:13,000
out on your favorite social media platform. A name will be randomly chosen in

164
00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:16,200
a week. Good luck, and
thank you for tuning in to check it

165
00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:24,240
out on your favorite podcast platform.
Molly, you have a husband. His

166
00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,919
name is Mark. Is he related
to the famous author? And if so,

167
00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:33,279
how? Oh so? I guess
like it's a very frustrating question because

168
00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:37,320
it would be so great to just
answer no, And I think I'm if

169
00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,120
I had could go back in time, I would just tell everyone no,

170
00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,080
because it's they're technically related, but
it's so distant as to be meaningless.

171
00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:54,600
They're basically it's a very uncommon last
name and so kind of probably if you

172
00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,240
live in the United States and you
have it, you're related. But I

173
00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,440
don't even remember exactly how it is. But like that grandfather is cousins with

174
00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,519
someone or other. Definitely not not
like I mean my I have family members

175
00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:13,399
who interact with more famous members of
the clan, but I don't and or

176
00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,759
haven't really yet. And then I
do want to say one thing about it,

177
00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,039
though, Yeah, yeah, one
is that before we were married,

178
00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,000
Mark and I went to a wedding
in Key West for one of his close

179
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,080
friends, and the people there didn't
care that it was a distant relation.

180
00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,720
They were like your royalty down here. I mean, I don't think we

181
00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:35,879
paid for a drink the entire time
we were down there. They were so

182
00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:41,440
happy to have lived there. That's
why. Oh yeah, that's where the

183
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,720
beautiful house, the cats, the
office. You should go there just as

184
00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,919
a writer. It's a really lovely
tour of the house and office. And

185
00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,120
you're not a fan of him,
No, not really, but yeah,

186
00:13:54,159 --> 00:14:00,200
so I am and Mark is not. And I wouldn't say he's not.

187
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,759
I like him more than Mark does. I would say, but I really

188
00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,519
have always enjoyed his writing. And
yeah, I'm not saying like all he's

189
00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:09,840
garbage, you know, I'm just
saying like, he's not one of my

190
00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,799
favorite writers. Was not a great
person. But um, okay, So

191
00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,039
all the time people ask me if
I'm related all the time. But last

192
00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,559
year Mark and I went to the
Hemingway House in Oak Park. We go

193
00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:26,000
there once a year usually for this
Lutheran conference that's out there, the Issues

194
00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:30,320
etc. Conference. It's awesome and
we had some extra time and we went

195
00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:35,720
to the childhood home. It's a
small tour. We walk in, we

196
00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,440
pay with a credit card. Our
last name is Hemingway. Nobody had any

197
00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,080
questions, and I'm like, it's
literally like the one place I wouldn't mind

198
00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:48,759
being asked. They just weren't curious. So we didn't say anything, didn't

199
00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,360
raise any flags, nothing, huh
so. And then the only final thing

200
00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:58,600
I'd like to say about last names
is that when we got married, I

201
00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:03,879
am a very traditional person and I
knew I would be taking Mark's last name

202
00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,559
because that's just to me, like
a very orderly way to do things.

203
00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:11,320
And the family all has the same
last name. But my maiden name was

204
00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:16,480
Ziegler, which is an awesome name, very German. It begins with the

205
00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:22,559
letter Z. I love my family
so much like its I just loved having

206
00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:26,320
that name, and so I was
very sad about it. And Mark has

207
00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,759
never understood that. He's like,
this is literally the best thing I can

208
00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,679
offer you, and you don't like
it. I was like, well,

209
00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,720
it's not even German for one thing, and he was like, you could

210
00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:41,480
be in a darkened cave at night
and people would know that you're German.

211
00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,159
Like it's going to be fine,
Molly. So it's funny because I was

212
00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,080
watching this show that told you a
boat. In another episode, Missus Davis,

213
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,360
and there's a guy pretending to be
a German and he for his name

214
00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,600
is Hans Ziegler, and the guy's
like, you're not a German. That

215
00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:58,679
is the most German name I've ever
heard. No one that has to be

216
00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,919
invented. So can you give us
a little tutorial on the truly proper way

217
00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,080
to pronounce your name and then also
the way you pronounce it? Oh so

218
00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,480
you saw my tweets on this,
I think I Oh no. So when

219
00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:18,600
my name, last name is Hungarian, it is typically a Jewish Hungarian name.

220
00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:22,519
There are some there are some famous
Harsanis. I'm not related to them,

221
00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,679
Nobel Prize winners and so on.
But the correct pronunciation of my name

222
00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,919
is Harshani Harshany. The s is
an sound and Hungarian, which is a

223
00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,320
very tough language to learn, by
the way, But when I was a

224
00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:41,080
kid, no one could pronounce this
name in school. Ever, so around

225
00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:45,320
second grade or third grade, I
just started pronouncing it Harsani so that people

226
00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,000
so I wouldn't have to go through
the whole thing with the teacher, so

227
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,720
harshany is how you're supposed to pronounce
it. How I pronounce it as Harsani,

228
00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:57,799
ignoring the y and treating the S
as an s. What is the

229
00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,759
worst most common mispronunciation of her name. I don't know. It's always messed

230
00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:08,680
up, but a lot of people
think it's Iranian or Indian. One time

231
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:15,759
I was in a debate in Denver
with a woman who is like China anti

232
00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:18,559
growth, like she was a Malthusian, and I think I was doing well

233
00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,119
in this debate. It was on
the phone and she just started yelling at

234
00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,480
me and goes, you're just Indian
and you hate Chinese people, and that's

235
00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:27,640
why you're saying the things she's saying. Good stuff like that. So quite

236
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,519
often people think it's Indian. It's
not. I don't know what the worst

237
00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:34,880
people can pronounce it. It's just
really phonetic. Now right horror Sani.

238
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,680
It says it right there. Sometimes
I think about taking the why out,

239
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:45,960
but then you know, I don't. But thank you for asking people do

240
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,079
it. You know I should say
lately people have been doing a better job.

241
00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:55,839
I don't know. I don't know. Here's another question. This is

242
00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,640
more serious, what did you use
it? Who's it from? This is

243
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,160
from now Daie. Sorry that last
one was from Elizabeth, and Natalie asks,

244
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,759
what did you both choose for schooling
for your kids? I've had to

245
00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:11,880
leave not one, but two Christian
private schools over world curriculum. And then

246
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,799
she just goes on to complain about
the state of schools. I don't know

247
00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,279
if you want to answer that question, but you're free to if you like.

248
00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:23,400
Yeah, I do so. My
mother is a retired government school teacher

249
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,119
and the one thing I knew having
kids is that we would not be sending

250
00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,920
our children to government schools. And
this was the started whatever like ten years

251
00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:41,480
ago before some of the more recent
insanity happened. And my husband has served

252
00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:48,359
on the board of our parish school, our Lutheran school, for much of

253
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,119
the last twenty years, and I
have previously served on the board as well.

254
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:59,759
And we cared about good education for
our children before we were even married,

255
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,400
and we kind of put a lot
of work into it. And we

256
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,079
are big believers in the classical model, and we worked to change our school

257
00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:15,160
into that and our school is amazing. I guess so I was talking with

258
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,960
someone else at Fox whose kids had
gone through there and they had now graduated

259
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,720
college, and we're saying that they
thought they learned everything that they learned in

260
00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:30,279
their education in this junior kindergarten through
eighth grade school. But it does take

261
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,799
a lot of work. Now.
One thing that is helpful about the Lutheran

262
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:41,839
Church Missouri synid like structure is there
it kind of limits like you can't go

263
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,480
woke because we don't change our doctrine
for now, you know, like we're

264
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,559
still we're still bound by the Lutheran
Confessions, which were like you know,

265
00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:53,799
from fifteen eighty or whatever. So
we just are operating on a completely different

266
00:19:55,079 --> 00:20:00,400
time path and that it does constrain
some of what we even like could do

267
00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,960
if we wanted to, and we
don't want to. So very clear teachings

268
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:11,039
on sex and sexuality and where it's
not political, and a belief that teaching

269
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:17,559
children like logic and scriptures and art, it's all just part of it.

270
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,839
So I love are So that's what
we've done. But then that school only

271
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:27,039
goes through a certain grade and so
we don't have a Lutheran high school in

272
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:33,000
Washington, DC. So we've done
something else for those that have finished the

273
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:40,240
Lutheran School, and I don't know. I just I'm always surprised when people

274
00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:45,920
don't care as much as Mark and
I do about education and the pedagogy involved.

275
00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:51,759
But my like, I have close
friends and siblings who've sent their kids

276
00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:55,720
to government schools and they've actually been
maybe it's like where they are in the

277
00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:00,400
country, it's been not so bad. I send my kids government schools.

278
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,200
Yeah, I moved around a bit, and uh, and I have to

279
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,000
say, I think a lot of
those schools are fine in some ways.

280
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,640
They weren't as bad as some other
you know what I'm hearing, woke wise

281
00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:18,240
or whatever. They went to school
and they got a really good education in

282
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:25,319
science and math where they went,
and and that's what their careers are,

283
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,400
you know, are based on there
in the sciences. So which makes me

284
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,599
extremely happy that they're not doing something
like being becoming writers or whatever. But

285
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,160
yeah, I think that it was
it was not great in many ways,

286
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,279
and it's it's a real battle for
parents. And I'm not saying, you

287
00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,039
know, a lot of people don't
have the means to to like send their

288
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,079
kids to a private institution or I
saw you earlier. Eyes I don't mean

289
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,039
that only rich people can do it, but you know, it's difficult in

290
00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:59,039
some areas you don't have like minded
people. I've generally been in liberal areas

291
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:00,680
where it's been a kind of difficult
to find the right kind of schools.

292
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,720
It's just I think, yeah,
I just schools should be blown up and

293
00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:07,400
we should have choice, but it
is difficult right now for a long Yeah.

294
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,039
No, I understand everybody has a
different situation. But when Mark and

295
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:18,519
I first sent our oldest to private
school, I wasn't working and he was

296
00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:23,480
having to support the whole family on
reporter salary, and we couldn't afford to

297
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,640
buy a house. But we did
prioritize the education of our children. And

298
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,440
I was just telling one of the
kids about how glad I am that we

299
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,759
did that. But I do understand
that other people aren't willing to make those

300
00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:40,119
kinds of sacrifices. And it definitely
got us into our first home at a

301
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:45,480
ridiculously old age. But we still
feel so happy that we did it the

302
00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,799
way we did it. And I
have to say, even when I was

303
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,640
young, public schools were terrible in
the sense of indoctrination in certain areas,

304
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,319
But my kids are older than your
kids. And I have to say,

305
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,160
it sounds like things have gotten a
lot worse recently than they were, you

306
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,559
know, when my kids started going
to school, and you know, it's

307
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:06,279
never been good, but it sounds
like it's really bad. Right now,

308
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,839
Are you done with that topic now? I just hope that that person is

309
00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:14,799
able to figure out. Sorry it
wasn't Elizabeth, it was a Natalie.

310
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,799
Yeah. I just hope that she
can figure something out because I even I

311
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,920
hear people complain about their children's school
all the time, and Mark and I

312
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,480
are always like, it's literally the
best thing we have going on in our

313
00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:30,119
life is our children's school. And
I wish that everyone could have that,

314
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,759
and I do feel for people who
don't. And it's going to be incredibly

315
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:37,839
frustrating to send your kid to a
Christian school and then have that sort of

316
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,880
you know, stuff showing up there
where you know it probably is, just

317
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,759
it gives you a feeling of helplessness, right like you know, you have

318
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:49,960
to start your own school literally to
teach your teach your kids the right value

319
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,559
is actually when we were doing admissions
for one of the kids recently, it's

320
00:23:55,599 --> 00:24:00,519
at a Christian school, but not
in our denomination. And so there was

321
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,240
the admissions meeting, but then they
had a totally separate, like religion meeting,

322
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,920
and the person who ran that one
was like, Okay, so we're

323
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,599
in we're in this religion, and
here's what that means. And we're in

324
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,559
this particular like division of that religion, and here's what that means. And

325
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,799
we believe that sex is ordained by
God, you know, in marriage,

326
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,240
that biological distinctions are real and affect
you know, the following things. And

327
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,200
we if you don't support that,
you are so welcome to get up and

328
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,039
walk out and never come back again, and we wish you well, but

329
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,160
like that's how it's going to be. And I was like, sounds great,

330
00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,119
very happy. Literally might have cried
like I would, like, it's

331
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,039
it's weird, how And I don't
know enough about all the Christian denominations that

332
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:53,240
you could probably send your kid to
a school of a completely different denomination or

333
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,000
even religions, say an Orthodox Jewish
school, and they would be better educated

334
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,680
than if you sent them to one
of these like modern liberal you can do

335
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,640
whatever you want kind of church schools, you know what I'm saying, Like,

336
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,200
it's pretty interesting, which brings me
to a question from a man named

337
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,039
Joshua, who says most conservatives I
meet tend to be religious. While I

338
00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,920
obviously have no issue with this,
how does one go about meeting conservatives who

339
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,920
are atheists or agnostics. I'm going
to take this one, Molly, you

340
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,319
don't like everyone. How can I
say this? I would say that most

341
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:33,200
people I know and are friends with
our religious I have no problem with it.

342
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,599
They treat me with respect. I've
always thought the conservative social conservatives I've

343
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,119
noticed this in Denver when I first
moved there from New York treated me with

344
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,839
farmer respect than liberals who disagree with
me on issues did. And you just

345
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,000
have to figure out a way to
be friends with them. I think I

346
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:53,759
can think of myself and maybe my
friend Charlie Cook at National Views and atheists

347
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,039
I think, But other than that, I can't really think of too many.

348
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:03,559
And so that's that next question,
where do you recog Yeah, you

349
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,880
have something to say that seemed like
worth considering. Why that is too like?

350
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,200
I would just offer that for both
of you. You know that me

351
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:17,759
say this and a relationship between I'm
not going to speak for him, but

352
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:21,400
I'll also speak for Tom Holland,
the historian. I'm not comparing myself to

353
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,359
him in any way, Guys that
I'm just a genius, amazing writer.

354
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,759
He is also an agnostic or an
atheist. All three of us are pro

355
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,359
faith. We believe that that that
the foundational ideas are Christian, that free

356
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,319
choice comes from you know, the
idea of free choice, the idea you

357
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,079
know that the morals of Christianity are
helpful for a society, that that Christianity

358
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:48,279
gave each individual worth in society.
And I think that a lot of the

359
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,400
atheists and agnostics or conservative actually just
believe in a lot of Christian ideas.

360
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,480
Would you say that that's fair?
Wear them like a skin suit kind of

361
00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:06,480
thing. Yeah, I'm just going
to summarize this next question so basically,

362
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,480
and I don't have a name on
it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry about

363
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,720
that, but basically, sorry,
Yeah, hold on, I just want

364
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,240
to again, going back to this, I think there are a lot of

365
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,839
people. I think a lot of
people who are bright are prone to atheism

366
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:27,640
or agnosticism. And I understand that, and everyone asked to work this out

367
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,680
on their own, but I would
just say sometimes it's good also to like

368
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,920
revisit some of the things that you
had, Like you might go through many

369
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,319
decades of your life and you think, you think that you're like firmly set

370
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:44,240
in these belief systems, and it's
just good to keep pushing yourself and the

371
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:52,880
fact that there are fruits of you
know, Christianity or maybe even other religions

372
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:59,440
that have created the systems that you
like, should play into things. Or

373
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,119
I was talking recently with this like
very well known, very smart. I

374
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,319
don't want to describe him in any
ways, I don't want to reveal this,

375
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:15,400
but someone who'd been like publicly identified
as an atheist and he recently had

376
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,039
convert is converting, I should say, because I don't think he's been baptized

377
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,039
yet. And he was just saying
that he couldn't get away from how much

378
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:30,559
humanity had changed around the time of
Christ's death, and that he just kept

379
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:34,119
finding it to be like a fascinating, like it's so different, weird.

380
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,480
He just kind of was like exploring
it more. And he was married to

381
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:41,279
a Christian lady, and he also
kind of like found that some of what

382
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,119
he some of the reasons why he'd
been an atheist in the past didn't work

383
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:52,160
like he was reasoning his way into
something and then he kind of realized he

384
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,279
was being a little limited in his
own rational capabilities. And my point is,

385
00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:02,079
just keep working on it and keep
being open minded religious. Do orthodox

386
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,079
religious folks ever sit down and say, hey, I wonder if there is

387
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,279
a God? Let me think about
this again. Oh my gosh, literally

388
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:15,160
I think. I mean, yes, I'm reading the scripture right now,

389
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,839
and I'm like constantly thinking, like
sort of testing everything. I don't I

390
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,960
don't know any other way to be, but I've always felt kind of comfortable

391
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,440
in that space. Like when I
first told my kid my parents when I

392
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,039
was younger, that I was having
doubts about this, that or the other,

393
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,359
and they were like, oh,
yeah, you know that's common,

394
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,519
you know, like and they just
were so understanding about it, and they

395
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:38,960
were like, so what are they
And you know, let's talk about it.

396
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,640
And so I am in a you
know, it's very normal, like

397
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,599
you hear about it in sermons,
you talk about it with other people,

398
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,880
and um, yeah, so it's
very common. Well, let me take

399
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,640
a step back quickly and just say
that I want to mention that I went

400
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,559
to a religious school for many,
many years. I went to eshiva,

401
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:03,880
an Orthodox modern Orthodox Ashiva York,
and I learn Thalma Gamara. I was

402
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,759
very immersed in Jewish thinking. It's
not like I just don't want people to

403
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,240
think that this is something I haven't
thought about pretty deeply in my life.

404
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,759
I have, and I am a
big fan of Judaism as a culture and

405
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,480
an ethnicity and all that. And
I'm very respectful of Orthodox Christian faith because

406
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,640
i think it's incredibly important for modernity. So I do think about that stuff,

407
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,920
and you never know where things end
up, but I wouldn't I wouldn't

408
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:34,079
put bets on that or anything like, Okay, we'll see. So the

409
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,480
next question was where do you look? So basically, I think what this

410
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:41,640
person is trying to say, if
I may, is that it's hard to

411
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,359
trust media anymore. Basically can trust
big media, can't trust establishment. Where

412
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,440
do you go today to get information? In the end, you're going to

413
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:56,839
need some kind of basic foundational information
about what's happening in the world, So

414
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,519
where do you go to find that
stuff? This is a question that I've

415
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,960
actually wanted to ask the staff where
they're getting, you know, their information,

416
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,000
just because I'm I think it's an
interesting thing to hear from people.

417
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:14,200
In my case, I am just
I kind of curate my own editorial feed

418
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,200
through social media, which is Twitter
in my case, and I very much

419
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,240
go to original sources because I have
the luxury of getting paid to do that,

420
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,319
you know, So I like to
go to something and just sort of

421
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,720
react to it on my own.
But if I were to and I the

422
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:38,559
only newspaper I subscribe to is the
Wall Street Journal. Quite unfortunately, it

423
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:44,839
has gotten much worse in recent years, I think, just not covering things

424
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,920
they should cover, or covering it
in a biased fashion. Their Ukraine War

425
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000
coverage in particular has been kind of
a joke, Like I really wish I

426
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,240
could understand what's going on in the
Ukraine War, and they constantly are writing

427
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,519
stuff about how like Russia's making all
these advances but they're losing and it doesn't

428
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:05,279
really make any sense. And then
I think I've mentioned this before, but

429
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:08,599
like during the twenty twenty riots,
they just like didn't cover the riots that

430
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,799
were besieging the country. And so
it's not perfect, but it is the

431
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,440
best of the big corporate media.
And then I do a lot of reading

432
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,400
real clear politics and what I like
about real clear politics is that they cover

433
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:29,039
the best pieces from a wide variety
of political perspectives. So you do get

434
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:35,200
that like really smart leftist take on
or you know, like the most reasonable,

435
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:42,000
thoughtful take of that, and then
like some DC groupthink version, and

436
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,759
then like a conservative version. And
I like to see what the different people

437
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,880
are saying. What about you?
Well, it's a difficult question. I

438
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,599
used to read a lot of the
big you know, the New York Times,

439
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:57,079
Washington Post, all of that,
and I thought of myself as sophisticated

440
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,079
enough to kind of read between the
lines. Maybe i'd say or synthesize what

441
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,640
they were saying and make it into
normal speak and figure out what was going

442
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,519
on. I found that harder and
harder because now they're just baseless lies a

443
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,920
lot of times in these papers.
That's impossible to do, so it's got

444
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,119
a lot worse. But I still
read those papers to try to figure out

445
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,319
stuff. And I have to say, like the New York Times, occasional

446
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,079
we'll have like an amazing feature about
somebody you know that's a political, or

447
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:27,039
an amazing story about something in Africa
or Asia that you wouldn't get elsewhere.

448
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,960
Because they have the kind of financial
backing to be able to do that.

449
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:31,960
But as far as politics goes,
I do the same thing. I go

450
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,839
to the Wall Street Journal, I
go to Real Clear Politics, I'll read

451
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,920
if I read something in the Washington
Post, I make sure to go find

452
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,279
other sources to try to see what's
going on or go to the source.

453
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,039
Must be difficult for people who have
regular jobs to take all that time,

454
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:52,519
so I think Real Clear is a
good place to go. I think the

455
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,880
Wall Street Journal is probably the best
of the big papers. I guess that's

456
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,559
what I do. I don't know, I'm all over. I read a

457
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,480
lot of stuff. If I do
subscribe to a lot of newsletters, I

458
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,680
actually have been thinking there are too
many. I'm not reading them, but

459
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,039
there are. And maybe we should
do maybe a short segment on this one

460
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:14,360
time on the show, but go
through some of the best substacks or best

461
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,079
people, uh, that we turn
to to kind of explain the news a

462
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,440
bit, especially when it takes some
kind of expertise to do. Um.

463
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,800
Well, yeah, I'm just curious
what the substacks you subscribe to are,

464
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:37,519
or what are some of the substacks
geus tons of them? Um, Jonathan

465
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,840
Turley, is that a substack that
just might be like, uh, that

466
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,000
just might be a newsletter. Um, this is guy like a lot.

467
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,679
There's a lot of followers. Name
is Michael Smith, which is a hard

468
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,840
guy to find. Probably I think
it's called Unlicensed Punditry or something like that

469
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,239
is pretty good. But is it
Matt Matt Tobai? Is that he pronounced

470
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,119
eb? Sorry? Um? I
like the Free Press, you know,

471
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,400
is a pretty good site. Do
you know Barry Weiss's site? They'll have

472
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,239
interesting stuff. Was the guy Michael
Schellenberger? Is that his name? I

473
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,079
forget it. He's the guys.
He's pretty good. I don't know.

474
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,159
I probably have around fifty that I
subscribe to. I don't pay for all

475
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,159
of them. A lot of them
are free, but they just stream into

476
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,679
my inbox and it's you know,
I think, like, I'll give you

477
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,280
a good one. Actually, tablet. I love Tamblet. Yes, not

478
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,320
always but almost always. But they
will allow all kinds of you know,

479
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,000
unorthodox opinions as it were, right, but there is there. They have

480
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,280
the single the scroll that like,
at the end of the day, I'll

481
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,320
just tell you what happened that day, and it is really useful, really

482
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,639
useful. Yeah, I would.
I like the Tablet like I used to

483
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:52,559
like The New Yorker. They have
really interesting, like magazine length stories that

484
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:57,159
they do a deep dive into things. The story Slow Election is great.

485
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,880
I like it so much that I
do something I never do, which is

486
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,880
occasionally email their editor and I compliment
her on like how well the whole thing

487
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,199
is going, because it's really I
you know, it's hard to put together

488
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,639
that level of consistent good stuff,
and she does it. I subscribe to

489
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,400
Matt Taiebe, and I find it
worth every penny. I think he's doing

490
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:21,159
just really important grave work. And
he brings in other voices as well,

491
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:25,119
which is good. And Glenn Greenwald, which like shocks me that I give

492
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:30,639
him money. But I do like
his journalism and I don't always agree with

493
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,960
it, nor do I always agree
with Matt Taiebe, But I just get

494
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,679
a lot out of what they're reporting, the thoroughness with which they substantiate it,

495
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,480
so that you can go check it
out yourself. I really like Chris

496
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,960
Bray and I think people should definitely
follow his sub stack, and he occasionally

497
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,239
writes for us. He's really smart
and living in California, and you can

498
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,960
tell he just kind of gets the
seriousness of the problems and he has a

499
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,840
good attitude and how to broad that. So but yeah, I am I

500
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,000
like a little bit. I don't
need any more, you know, I'm

501
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,519
not looking for more substacks to subscribe
to subscribe to. But um, but

502
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:16,159
yeah, it's to me, it's
like the it's just bloggers again, except

503
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:20,280
you get them in your inbox.
Basically, I don't really see much of

504
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,800
a difference. I just we just
got this question. I just got in

505
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,480
the in the inbox. I'm going
to ask it. Can you explain and

506
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:35,119
tell us a story of how you
got into journalism originally, like and what

507
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:40,280
your motivations were for doing that?
Oh well, um, I feel like

508
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,039
there aren't very exciting stories. But
I mean I do have an age if

509
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,000
you're wrong, I think people really
like to hear stuff like this. I'm

510
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,800
really interested in hearing what you're going
to say right now. So it's funny

511
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480
because like I actually liked journalism.
I'm at a young age. I started

512
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:59,880
in newspaper at my elementary school.
I was the yearbook editor for two years.

513
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,800
Never occurred to me that I might
go into journalism, And in high

514
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,159
school I had this economics teacher,
I think his name was mister Smithwick,

515
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,079
and I really liked his class,
and I just knew I would like to

516
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,440
be an economist. And it kind
of matched all the things I cared about.

517
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:21,159
I love math, I like politics, I like history, and econ

518
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,079
just kind of put it all together
in a way that really worked for me.

519
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,679
So I just decided, you know, I think it's like ninth or

520
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,599
tenth grade, I'm going to be
an economist. And then I went to

521
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,960
college and I studied economics and I
got a degree in economics, and I

522
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:38,639
was going to get an advanced degree
in economics. And I started that and

523
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:45,639
realized that I didn't want to be
in academia, which was a very political

524
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:52,360
institution. And I knew that,
so like also kind of working at a

525
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,440
university affiliated group, and I just
was kind of lost. I didn't know

526
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,159
what to do. I had been
so clear for so long, Like all

527
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:05,000
these friends that changed their majors didn't
know what they wanted to do. I

528
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,320
knew, you know, I just
knew the whole time, and I just

529
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,400
had no idea what I wanted to
do. And this is where Mark Hemingway

530
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,679
plays a big role. Because he
and I had met right when he got

531
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:21,639
out of college. He's a younger
man than he's younger than I am,

532
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,239
so and he was really into journalism
and he was a beautiful writer, and

533
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,239
he really seemed to like journalism,
and through him, I met all these

534
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:38,400
other journalists and they seemed to like
journalism. And one day I got fired.

535
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,679
This is you know, I got
yeah so good. I was just

536
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,880
telling talking about this with Greg Guptfeld
last a couple of weeks ago. Got

537
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,920
fired and really didn't know what I
was going to do at this point except

538
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,840
that I didn't want to continue in
like nonprofit management, which is what I'd

539
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:04,000
been doing. And that night watching
The Daily Show with this friend of mine

540
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,960
who worked I don't think like now
he's at the Journal But anyway, Peggy

541
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,559
Noonan was on the Daily Show and
I was like, oh, yeah,

542
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,519
I read that book. You know
what I did, what I saw at

543
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,519
the revolution? Did you read that
book? Which I really liked? And

544
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,159
I was like, oh yeah.
I kind of like remember thinking that it

545
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:29,679
would be cool to be a speech
writer, and so I learned from friends,

546
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,039
like I lived with a girl who
was doing some speechwriting and basically learned

547
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:39,360
you have to get a job as
a press secretary to write speeches. Yeah,

548
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,079
And so I had not had any
engagement in politics, and I go

549
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,719
to the Hill and I started interviewing, applying for jobs as a press secretary.

550
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,880
By the way, there are still
people I run into who didn't hire

551
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,280
me, and I totally get it, and it's no hard feelings, but

552
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,159
it's hard, like even whenever twenty
years on, you're like, oh,

553
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,920
yes, I remember you. You
thought I wouldn't be able to cut it

554
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,960
as a press secretary, and but
I kept on getting people saying you basically

555
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,800
need to in ordered to be a
press secretary, which is what you needed

556
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,559
to be in order to be a
speechwriter, you actually have to have some

557
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:19,199
journalism experience. So that's how I
started applying for jobs in journalism. And

558
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,599
I had this longtime friend who was
an editor at Rodeo e Musica, which

559
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,480
was well, he was at Radio
and Records the English language portion of the

560
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:35,039
Spanish language Rodway Musica, which is
like covering the radio and recording industry.

561
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,239
And I mean I was desperate for
work. I had no money, no

562
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,800
safety net, I had no job, and he hired me to answer phones

563
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:52,519
at Rodewy Musica, and I would
just like make coffee and send phones and

564
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,440
like delivered the faxes. And I
asked if I could write, and he

565
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,800
let me just write up earnings reports, and then he actually gave me a

566
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,559
story that involved like a hearing on
the hill and the FCC, and I

567
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,880
went and did it all and it
got on the front page. And Mark

568
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,840
Hemingway, of course helped me with
this. And when I saw my story

569
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,800
on the front page and he said
it was good, I was like,

570
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,840
press secretary, speechwriter, No,
this is what I want to do.

571
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000
And from that point on, I've
just known that I wanted to be a

572
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,440
print journalist. That's an amazing story. There's no feeling like it. I

573
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:36,000
grew up around a lot of books. My dad was just read all the

574
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:39,440
time, loved history all of that, and I just always just like the

575
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:44,320
written word, you know. And
I wasn't a great student or anything like

576
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,639
that, but I was always good
at writing, or I have to think

577
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:52,119
I was. And then I read
PJ. Rourke around that time in my

578
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,840
late teens early twenties, and I
was like, this is amazing. It's

579
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,519
politics, it's hilarious. It's like
in your face. It's funny, and

580
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,199
I wanted to be like him,
but I couldn't really find any jobs being

581
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,280
PJ o' rourke. They don't like
hand those out. So I became a

582
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,119
I got into sports, which I
loved, and I became a sports writer

583
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,559
from any you know. For years
worked at AP and New York Daily News

584
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,239
and all that, and then when
nine to eleven happened, I said,

585
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,679
you know, I just felt like
I needed to do something more right about

586
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,960
the stuff, that was more serious. So I started writing freelance. And

587
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,760
then this is a kind of a
funny story. I guess on the corner

588
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,119
at National Review, which was kind
of new then and very exciting to read.

589
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,679
Who's the guy? The blogger at
American Conservative was just like retired.

590
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,320
He's like Hungary. What's his name? Yeah, you know he wrote the

591
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:45,039
book about he always changed his religions. He's constantly converting. All right,

592
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:50,199
Rod Dryers, I'm sorry if that
is the wrong. Randomly was just talking

593
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,079
to him this morning, but yes, So he put up a tweet a

594
00:43:53,159 --> 00:44:00,199
post that said two newspapers are looking
for conservative metro journalists. So I sent

595
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,280
him my resume and stuff, and
one of them was the Daily. One

596
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,519
of them I think was a Seattle
paper, I'm not sure still, and

597
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,079
one of them was the Denver Post. And I don't think they wanted to

598
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,599
hire me because I didn't really have
a ton of experience. I'd written one

599
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,960
Wall Street Journal thing, like a
couple of things for NRO, so I

600
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:20,000
just kept daily. I would write
a column and send it to him.

601
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,519
I'd write another column and I'd send
it to the editor of the Denver Post

602
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,960
before he hired me. And I
just kept sending him columns until he just

603
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:31,360
hired me. And that's that I
think I applied for that job. I

604
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,360
just want to say. I hear
sometimes people tell me that I'm sorry that

605
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,320
you didn't get it. You probably
would have been better than me. I

606
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,400
did metro column writing, which was
a lot of fun. And what happened

607
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,599
was I'd write me a conservative column, but then I'd go out to like

608
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,360
a record store and write about the
experience, or go out to weird places

609
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,000
and weird events, and I think
the people like that writing, but then

610
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,719
they breed me again and it would
be something conservative, and they would be

611
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,440
very confused because my sensibilities were not
what they imagined a conservative would be,

612
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:05,159
you know, is kind of a
interesting, interesting situation. By the way,

613
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:07,719
that question was asked by Reverend Drew, who was a pastor in a

614
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:15,559
Catholic church. And I'm not giving
names right because yeah, I just what

615
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,719
you just said reminds me that this
is how Mark Hemingway and I ended up

616
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:28,199
together because I was kind of like
loosely in this conservative libertarian space and it

617
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,840
was really hard for me to find
someone who shared my values and my musical

618
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,360
tastes or like even that I liked
music and I liked going to concerts and

619
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,760
I you know, I've always had
a huge final record collection, and I

620
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,599
like artsy films, and so I
would meet these people who I really liked.

621
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:51,280
I liked how they thought in terms
of politics, and they had the

622
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,760
right values, but they bored me
to tears. And Mark was the first

623
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,239
and really kind of only person I
ever met who just lined up on all

624
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,880
of that stuff eventually, meaning he
was not Christian when I met him,

625
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880
but you know, but it all
worked well, and so like I remember

626
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,559
thinking, I want someone who I
can just like talk to about things when

627
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:17,119
I'm old. And we've been married
now, not that long, but like

628
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,159
enough time to you know, naturally
get sick of each other whatever, and

629
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,920
I just don't like. I love
hearing what he has to say. I

630
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:30,079
love when he'll just tell me about
like this band or his trip to the

631
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:36,480
record or or you know, this
concert or this movie or whatever. He

632
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:40,280
just is It's nice. It's interesting
that you say that because one of the

633
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,320
reasons I was never like a conservative
when I was youngest because I thought conservatives

634
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,960
were boring. They weren't funny,
they were you know, just uptight.

635
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,639
They didn't like good music, all
of that. But the funny thing was

636
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,039
when I read PJ, I was
like, actually, you can make fun

637
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:59,760
of these liberal pieties and you can
like cool things and you can be funny

638
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,920
and you can write that way.
And I think that when you see Tucker

639
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,840
in the old days when he was
a writer, for instance, or or

640
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:13,039
would you just mentioned um on Fox
Greg Godfeldt, who's incredibly funny, and

641
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:15,440
I don't know if people realize this. I mean, he's obviously funny on

642
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,800
TV, but his books are hilarious. His first book is hilarious. So

643
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,679
um, it's just you know,
interesting. So on that note, if

644
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:31,840
people like Rourke, I just want
to recommend Peachie Keenan's debut book, Domestic

645
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,800
Terrorist. Is that what it's called? Something like that? If you look

646
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,239
up domestic terrorist and Peachie Keenan,
which is a pseudonym. Um, hold

647
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,239
on, my husband is whispering something
to me. You can just shout it

648
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,079
out, honey. Oh sorry,
it's domestic extremist, which does make a

649
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:57,480
little bit more sense. Um terrorist. She's very like, laugh out loud,

650
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,599
funny. She's a she's a talented
writer. I've not that book,

651
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:06,920
but yeah I will. So here's
another question I'm keeping. By the way,

652
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,440
this episode is just gonna be personal
questions, and we'll do another one

653
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,280
that's gonna be a little more political. Is that okay? All right?

654
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,119
So you like whatever this person says. Molly and David always talk about music

655
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,880
and bands and things like that.
They love talking about new music. Okay,

656
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,960
if they were in a band,
what instrument would they play? If

657
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,800
you could be in a band yourself, did you ever play an instrument?

658
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:38,119
By the way, Matthew, Okay, I play piano, but not well

659
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:45,000
enough to play in a band.
And it's really embarrassing because I took twelve

660
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,119
years of piano lessons and my brother
and my sister and I all took twelve

661
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:53,079
years of piano lessons. And my
sister and brother can play at any occasion

662
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,760
for any reason. They can accompany
people. My brothers played jazz piano in

663
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:05,559
bars and I do not have those
skills. And our children have taken piano,

664
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:07,119
and one of them, like,
after a few years of piano,

665
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:13,719
was composing her own music and I
didn't even know you could do that,

666
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:17,400
and she did it from like fourth
grade on. So what about you.

667
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,679
I played guitar. I played it
for like thirty years and think I'm pretty

668
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:25,840
amazing at it. I could probably
play in a band. What's sad is

669
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,159
that when I it mattered. When
I was young, I was terrible.

670
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:35,199
Everything I played was just derivative of
whatever I was listening to and badly done.

671
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,079
I was in a bunch of bands
and stuff like that. And now

672
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,320
that I'm good, none of the
none of the youngsters want to play play

673
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,239
in a band with me. I
think this will be the last series of

674
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,079
questions right here, and then we'll
wrap up, and it's from Daniel the

675
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,480
first one, and I'll just ask
them separately, But what is your favorite

676
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:58,239
state to visit and spend time,
and oh favorite state to visit and spend

677
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:05,599
time in. So I don't have. But I'm not a man, so

678
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:07,280
I don't have like a single favorite, you know, men always have,

679
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,960
Like I've ranked everything and my number
one and my number two. So I

680
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,440
would just say I'm obsessed with the
West. I am unfortunately living on the

681
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,559
East coast and have been for some
time. So my favorite state to visit

682
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,280
is Colorado because that's where most of
my family lives, and it's the most

683
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,119
beautiful, amazing state. It has
beautiful mountains, it has you know,

684
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,360
whether you're rowing in any season,
there's something to do that involves, you

685
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,400
know, hiking or skiing or fishing
or whitewater rafting. And I would like

686
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:44,280
to live there, and my family
is there, So that's, I guess,

687
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,320
a pretty easy answer. But I
just also feel like Utah is a

688
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:52,440
really amazing state and I love going
hiking there, and Alaska is the only

689
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:59,039
place I've ever been that's more beautiful
than Colorado, And like Idaho and Wyoming,

690
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,360
I'm also thinking about, you know, I don't know it was Wyoming

691
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:07,239
is a really special place, particularly
in the summer. So what about you,

692
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Okay? Number one New York.
Stay in New York. We're in

693
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,199
We're in upstate New York. Oh, I don't know, just anywhere the

694
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,800
Finger Lakes up, like all the
way to Lake George is really nice.

695
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Like I just love upstate New York. I love Virginia. I actually love

696
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,639
Maryland where we're not for the people
there, you know, there are a

697
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:35,199
lot of beautiful things to see.
I'm an East Coast person. It's funny,

698
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,480
I do think the West is beautiful. I always thought Colorado was beautiful

699
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,159
when I lived there, but I
always missed the forest, the trees,

700
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,920
the water, like those are the
things that appeal to me as far as

701
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,199
like nature and topography go. You
know, um, what is your favorite

702
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,719
holiday? To sell them? Hold
on? You said New York and then

703
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,719
New Hampshire in Virginia, Maryland I
don't like. I don't. I'm not

704
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,480
a fan of Florida, and I
don't like the heat, that kind of

705
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,000
heat, So more like Middle Atlantic
is kind of where I like at best,

706
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,920
or North Northeast great. What's your
favorite holiday to celebrate? Easter?

707
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,480
Always Easter. I do a big
party at Easter usually, although we didn't

708
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:16,400
get to do it this year because
we're doing some like renovation work in our

709
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:22,000
basement, but I like to do
a big rager on Easter. It's the

710
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:28,119
most important Christian holy day, and
it's just like also so great to come

711
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,960
out of Lent when you're usually engaged
in some kind of fast and then you

712
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:37,000
get to come out to this like
amazing celebration. And what about you?

713
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:45,079
Alicnica's most violent holiday, it's about
freedom and war. Have you ever gone

714
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:51,360
fishing and how would you describe your
experience? I love fishing. I have

715
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,639
not fished much in recent decades,
but growing up, my dad I think

716
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,360
envisioned that my brother would just go
fishing with him all the time, because

717
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,119
my dad loves fishing and my brother
didn't love fishing. And I am the

718
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:09,280
youngest, and I was like desperate
for time with anyone, and so I'm

719
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,880
dad, I'll go fishing with you. And so I got to go fishing

720
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,079
with my dad all the time,
also with John Dugapolski, who was the

721
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:22,480
best and funniest fishing partner anyone ever
had, and a very good friend and

722
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:30,280
a very good Christian And we would
just do that Colorado like high mountain fishing.

723
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,159
No, just like I mean,
yeah, sorry, we would fish

724
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:38,599
with flies and rod and reel.
So um, I mean I think when

725
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:42,159
you're saying fly fishing, you mean
with the fly rod. Yeah, yeah,

726
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,199
yeah, we were fishing with flies, but on a normal and U

727
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,719
but John would sometimes do the John
and my dad would sometimes do the actual

728
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,760
fly rods and h Also, I
did once catch the largest non commercial fish

729
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:01,199
in California one week, and I'm
pretty proud of this off shore like a

730
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,119
deep sea or yeah, deep sea
fishing. It was off the coast of

731
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:09,199
San Simeon. I was eleven years
old and it was a twenty eight pound

732
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,519
thirty six inch king salmon. And
I brought that in and it was like,

733
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,639
you know, you remember really amazing
fish you've caught, but like particularly

734
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,480
when you're eleven, it's like almost
as big as you are. And it

735
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,199
was I thought it was a shark
because of where I caught it, but

736
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,760
it was a king salmon. And
then we ate it and it was great.

737
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,559
It was a really good fish.
I have never I've never caught anything

738
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,320
like that. Our coworker John was
telling us about how he just like puts

739
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,559
a net into water and picks up
giant salmon in Alaska. You know,

740
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:45,440
and I would love to do that. So when I went to Alaska a

741
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,719
few years ago, I thought it
was almost like it was almost like you'd

742
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,239
taken drugs and you were experiencing things
that weren't real, Like the streams are

743
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,599
just full of fish, like you
could just reach in and grab that.

744
00:54:55,679 --> 00:55:00,480
They've actually made it illegal. I
think they call it snagging or something where

745
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:05,199
you just try to cast in and
just like grab the side of a fish.

746
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,159
Because there are so many fish,
you can just do that to catch

747
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:12,440
them. I think maybe locals can
do a certain amount or something like that,

748
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,800
but people to risk can't. Yeah, I do fish. I fish

749
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,960
for bass now a lot. I'm
really into it. It's not something that

750
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,440
comes naturally to me. I didn't
grow up fishing. Actually that's not true.

751
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,599
I grew up near the ocean and
we used to catch flounder and stuff.

752
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,000
But this is a lot more fun. This is the last question.

753
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:31,079
It's kind of like, I don't
even know if you're going to care,

754
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:37,239
but what's the better film franchise,
Indiana Jones or Mission Impossible. I don't

755
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,280
even know why I'm asking. That's
a dumb question, No offense reader listener.

756
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,280
I was like, thinking about it, Indiana Jones is better because Indiana

757
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:52,440
Jones first Indiana Jones movie is almost
a perfect film. It is the closest

758
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:57,079
we've ever come to making a perfect
movie. So do you know that children's

759
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,199
book King Solomon's Minds or whatever it's
called. I've heard of it. Yeah,

760
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,719
it's a really great book, and
I'm always wanting movies to be that

761
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,480
book. And that's what I feel
about The Raiders of the Last Dark.

762
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,760
It's that book in different forms,
although it's gotten. You know, the

763
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,079
recent months are not good. Yeah, I'm talking about the first three movies.

764
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,880
Yeah, yeah, and then Mission
Impossible. I do enjoy them.

765
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,559
It's kind of what I want for
action films, just like absurd, ridiculous

766
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:30,320
stuff. It keeps me engaged,
and if we go, I enjoy them.

767
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,719
But it's just nothing compared to like
the wit and the humor and the

768
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,039
you know. Also, I was
eleven when I went to see It's not

769
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,800
a bad question, it's a good
question. I take back that last comment.

770
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,960
Yeah, it just sounded a little
I take it back. Actually,

771
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:49,519
I went to see Raiders when I
was eleven. It was like one of

772
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:52,199
the great moments of my youth.
I just had so much fun. It

773
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,519
was so amazing. Our whole family
was there and all that. The Mission

774
00:56:54,519 --> 00:57:00,079
Impossible movies have actually gotten really good. I think that they give you everything

775
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:01,440
you want in an action movie,
like you say, and they don't pretend

776
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,679
to be anything else. They're not
teaching me any lessons. It's just Tom

777
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,039
Cruise holding onto the side of the
plane and going into the sky, and

778
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,519
you're like, he's actually doing it
because he's crazy. And then you're like,

779
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,079
he's sixteen. He looks amazing,
Like I'm ten years older than in

780
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,320
him, and I look like twenty
years older than him, so or younger

781
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,079
than him and I look twenty years
older than him. So they're a lot

782
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,800
of fun. But I still think
Raiders just because that first movie is so

783
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,320
great. All three of the first
films are good, but that first one's

784
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,079
great. Molly, I want to
thank you for answering these questions. We

785
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:35,840
learned a lot about your life and
where you're coming from, why you are

786
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,280
the way you are. I always
forget you're the youngest. Really, I

787
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,159
feel like I use youngest child when
I think about it, you do do

788
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:52,280
I use oldest child? Very responsible? Was looking out for thinking more like

789
00:57:52,480 --> 00:58:00,440
bossy entitled revolves around him and visited. I visited a friend who has three

790
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:04,960
children and her youngest. I was
like, I get this kid. He

791
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,480
was just kind of quietly observing everything, and I was like, I've been

792
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:12,440
there, buddy, so obvious.
Like the first one gets all the attention,

793
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,320
the second one is bottled between the
two, and then last one just

794
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,920
does whatever they want. Like we
had three and my younger brother just was

795
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:22,639
running wild, even though we all
raised ourselves because we're gen xers, right.

796
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,360
So next week, I think we'll
come back with another a bunch of

797
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,199
cute questions, but there'll be more
about politics in the future. A lot

798
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,079
of people have questions about the future
of American what you think is going to

799
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,159
happen. I'm not going to share
those questions with you this week, but

800
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:42,039
we shall. I will ask you
them next week. Until then, the

801
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:44,400
lovers of freedom and anxious for the
tray talk to soon.