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And now Audio Theater Central. Hello
and welcome to Audio Theater Central. This

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is the show that explores family friendly
audio drama through news, reviews and interviews.

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I'm your host, JD. Sutter, and this is episode one hundred

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and eighty two. Real quickly want
to say to all of our Canadian listeners,

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I hope you've had a wonderful Canada
Day, and to all of you

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in the US, tomorrow is Independence
Day, so I hope you have a

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wonderful holiday as well. So last
time I had a few people asking me

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about the coffee that I mentioned and
wanting to know what it was, so

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I've got some with me today again. This time it's an iced coffee that

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I made with a roast from Kawhi
Coffee and it's quite good. Earlier today

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I had a cup of dark roast
from Kicking Horse Coffee and it's called Grizzly

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Claw and it was also quite good. So there's your little coffee update.

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Well. Coming up in this episode, we have some feedback, and this

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is going to be an extended feedback
segment. We've got a lot of longer

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questions that I wanted to take some
time with. So we've got some feedback

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from Sarah Easy, Jeffrey Blake,
and Fad. We'll be getting to all

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of that in a little bit.
And I've got a monologue on using AI

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in audio drama, quite a controversial
topic, and we're going to dive into

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that a little bit. But before
we get to that, I've got a

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whole ton of audio drama updates,
including a bunch of information on some upcoming

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adventures in the Odyssey episodes, and
that's going to be a lot of fun

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to get to and maybe do a
little speculating on what's coming up. So

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take a little sip of the iced
coffee here. All right, let's jump

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into this. We ad er up
this program to bring you a special report

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and in other news tonight, a
brief look at the headlines now they want

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exciting, fast piece news. It's
relevant and entertaining like this first up,

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just more of a couple of housekeeping
type of updates. First of all,

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is Lamplighter Theater recently launched an entirely
brand new website, and it looks like

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they may have even changed everything on
the back end the way their site is

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hosted and everything. So all of
the links that we have posted on our

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website to their website over the years
are broken. They were apparently not able

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to keep their original link structure in
place with this new website. So you

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know, we have thirteen plus years
of links to Lamp Lighter Theater on our

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website and they don't work now.
In case you did not know, Audio

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Theater Central is not my full time
job, and I don't have a staff.

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There are people who work with me
on this, but we don't have

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people who can go back and monitor
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if you come across one that's broken, I apologize. We will try to

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fix them as we come across them, but it's just too there's just too

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many of them to go back and
check every single post right now at this

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time and look for broken links.
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just don't have the man hours to
do at this point. So if you

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find some that are broken and you
can't find what you're looking for, shoot

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us an email. Will definitely get
the correct one for you and fix the

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link on the website. You know, we're happy to do that if you

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can't find something. We had Mariah
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She found a link on the site
that was no longer working. It wasn't

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a lamp ladder one but for a
different show that just wasn't working anymore,

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and just shot us a quick email. We fixed it and got her the

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correct one. So yeah, if
you come across those, shoot us an

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email and let us know, we'll
be glad to help you and get that

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corrected. And speaking of links,
Amazon has reached out to us and given

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us an opportunity. Starting today July
third, all the way through July eighteenth,

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they are increasing our affiliate percentage for
everybody who purchases anything through our links.

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So if you're going to be going
to be making any purchases on Amazon,

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I would really appreciate it if you
would hit up our site first and

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click through to Amazon from our website. That would help us tremendously, And

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it does not increase the price that
you pay at all. It just lets

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Amazon know that you came through us
and they send us a little kickback.

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So now through July eighteenth, especially, would really appreciate if you'd use our

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links. Right on our homepage in
the right hand sidebar, there is a

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section says shop our affiliates and there
are Amazon links right there. And of

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course we link directly to products all
the time all throughout the site, so

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that would be very appreciated if you
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one final little housekeeping note, and
that is the Audio Drama Alliance is looking

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for composers and sound designers and it
is a great little community of a few

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dozen people that are passionate about clean, family friendly audio drama and looking to

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grow their skills. And so if
you are a Christian who is looking to

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get into composing for audio drama or
sound designing doing post production on audio drama,

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we would be interested in talking with
you, so you can head over

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to Audio Drama Alliance dot com.
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show notes as well, and you
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about. And there is an application
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specifically composers and sound designers. You
don't have to have a ton of experience

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in the industry or anything like that. If you are just skilled in those

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areas and would like to start working
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this is an excellent way to do
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Drama Alliance dot com and if it
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participating in, feel out that application
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information. Couple of quick event updates, and that is that the ATC Seneca

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Awards. You've heard me talk about
it already, but the broadcast is coming

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up on August twenty fifth of this
year, but I wanted to let you

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know that the nominees will be announced
this month in July, very very soon.

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Also wanted to let you know that
Heidi Stewart will be returning as our

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announcer. So always great to work
with Heidi. She's a great voice talent

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and she always does a fantastic job. Still working on the speakers. Those

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will be announced very soon, but
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ones that we have in the works
if everything pans out. But that will

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also be announced very soon, and
also soon the voting for the People's Choice

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category will open as well when those
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So all of that will be over
at the Senecas dot org, so keep

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an eye there. That's all coming
up. Also, Sonic Con tickets are

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now on sale. Adults are eighty
dollars seniors will get a ten dollar discount

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as well as military and students ages
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And that's for the entire weekend.
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will be in November the sixteenth through
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Chris Nelson said, they're really trying
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price, and I think they have
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point. Now. Also, producers, this is really cool. We really

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want to see the exhibit hall filled
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you must be approved, so you
have to submit information about what your product

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or service is, but you do
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exhibit. Once you are approved,
you own they have to purchase a weekend

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pass and if you're approved, you
can set up your booth in the exhibit

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hall. So, producers, this
is a great opportunity to get your show

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or an adjacent service, you know, some sort of audio equipment or something

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in front of industry people and up
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So all of that information is over
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new works submissions are still open.
Those will be open all the way

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through September first, so be sure
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your tickets for Sonic Con, and
now into the realm of upcoming releases on

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demand. Three, The World of
Lawbreakers from Glenn Haskell is coming out in

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just a few days. July fifteenth
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be available on YouTube and drama fy. I believe that post production is already

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complete on it. It has a
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be sure to keep an eye out
for that. Also, Glynn is working

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on a new series which is a
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be really fun. And I believe
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and he says there's going to be
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is going to share the story of
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point of view, so this is
going to be really fun. So it's

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always fun to see what Glynn Haskell
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Park series twenty one. Back to
the Garden, is releasing on July twenty

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first, Tentatively that's when it will
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right now at a fairly substantial discount. I believe it is only twenty five

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dollars for the CD album if you
preorder it right now. So link's in

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the show notes to go check that
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thoughts on the teaser audio that they
released, Austin Peachey and I did a

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first Impressions episode reacting to that in
ATC backstage, so join us over there

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to hear more about that. The
next upcoming audio drama tidbit of news is

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from The Brinkman Adventures. Ian Boltman
and Darby Kern met up in late June

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to have a sort of writer's meeting
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for season ten of The Brinkman Adventures. And I spoke with Darby shortly after

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he came back from that few days, and he's really excited about the new

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season. I had heard little snippets
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take the show, and this was
several months ago, may have even been

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close to a year ago, when
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he had for the show, and
these are going to be worked into season

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ten. I don't want to say
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about what they're planning, but it
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really interesting, and so it's pretty
vague, not a whole lot to say,

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but I just am excited to hear
that they're working on some new episodes

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and they just keep getting better and
better with each release. So looking forward

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to what is coming from The Brinkman
Adventures. Next up is an update from

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Audio Imagination seventy seven Productions. They
announced that their new play is going to

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be called Operator. Now. Matthew
Warner reached out to me the other day

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and said that he has spent about
eight months doing research before writing the script

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and that was why he did not
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But he has just wrapped up recording
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we'll be diving into post production very
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to be an original story based around
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eight, when Orson Welles and the
Mercury Theater on the Air performed The War

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of the Worlds and as many old
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of caused a panic among listeners,
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real invasion from Mars. And so
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told from the point of view of
the telephone operators and all that they went

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through during the time of the broadcast. So this sounds really, really fascinating.

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Matthew said, quote this will be
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a cast of close to thirty.
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but I'm guessing it's going to be
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As always, this production is being
done one hundred percent free, using

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all free software, so that's a
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an Audacity and that program, while
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is not really designed for a major
audio drama production, and that he's able

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to pull this off is amazing to
me. And so kudos to Matthew and

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his team for always putting out some
interesting shows, and I'm looking forward to

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this one. He said that it
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with Alicia Hanson, whom we know
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Annie di Martino, who was the
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and Logan Warner and Live Joe Hanson. Tiffany Reek, who was the voice

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of Rebecca Randalls, the disc jockey
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and also in this play will be
Shamus Smith, who was the voice

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of Wallace T. Goodwin in A
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be appearing here and a few other
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Audio Imagination seventy seven Productions. And
he said the artwork was drawn by a

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local Seattle artist named Joseph Pettitt,
and he even volunteered his work there,

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So that's just really cool. So
the release date has planned to be October

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thirtieth, same date that the story
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be the eighty fifth anniversary of the
War of the World's broadcast, and it's

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going to be a Drama Fi exclusive. So, as an oldtime radio fan

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and a fan of Orson Wells work
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of the original novel that this was
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Wells story, I'm really excited about
this one. It sounds like it's a

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great premise and yeah, I'm really
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got a few months yet until this
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excited to hear what Matthew and his
team have come up with. Well,

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you may have heard the creator of
the Life at the Pond audio drama,

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Charlie Richards, on the show just
a few episodes back, and he had

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set up a go fund Me for
a way to support his efforts to bring

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back the show and create some new
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another method for people to get involved, and that is through a Patreon page.

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For five dollars a month, you
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audio and video episodes. You'll get
additional episodes that were never released, and

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other perks, including the first the
Pond book. So that's all coming and

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this is a way. Yes,
the go fund me is still around if

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you want to make a one time
donation, but if you are able to

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become a monthly supporter, and you'll
also be the first to get new episodes

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as they are produced, this is
the way to do it. So link

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is in the show notes to check
out that Patreon page. And if you

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missed the interview with Charlie Richards.
That is also linked in the show notes.

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Adventures and Odyssey updates, I wanted

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to mention something else that is related
to Adventures Nadyssey, and that is a

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new podcast in the space, and
it's called All Things Adventures and Odyssey,

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and it's hosted by Clint Brahms.
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this show, but I don't always
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come along because lots of times it's
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they kind of peter out after a
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other reasons. But this wouldn't really
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episode, and it is titled a
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outlines for a few minutes his thoughts
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Adventures and Odyssey. And while I
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made, I thought he did make
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liked his approach to how he presented
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of them, and so I subscribed
and have been listening he has since then

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been doing reviews, working through the
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or two episodes nearly every day.
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show. All Things Adventures Odyssey is
a future focused, contemplative podcast dedicated to

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discussing modern AIO, starting with album
seventy and continuing forward in perpetuity. This

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is the place you can come to
for reviews, predictions, discussions, etc.

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Etc. Etc. Nothing is off
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Clint Brahms delves into all Things AIO
now, total side note and rabbit trail

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here. I'm sure the reason why
heap with that etc. In there like

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that is because it is a reference
to ALIGNE from the show. However,

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when I see that in anything or
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of laugh because it is totally redundant, etcetera. By itself is perfectly fine.

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It is totally redundant to add more
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because I'm sure you are doing it
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that, and I just I couldn't
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but anyway, I've had a couple
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tells me that his eventual goal is
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discuss happenings in Odyssey as they come. So he said, that's why he's

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trying to go through these older review
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caught up in time for album seventy
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of episodes as they are coming out. So I'm really enjoying listening to his

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thoughts and opinions on the episodes.
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agree with every single point that he
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opinion in the space that is very
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and it's just enjoyable. So link
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just can't get in about Adventures in
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think is worth checking out. All
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this aio information. So they were
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June, and quick shout out to
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this information. I was trying to
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being posted online, and then Ben
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bunch of this inside the club.
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I've garnered elsewhere, I tried to
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a look at what they recorded and
what we can look forward to coming up

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here in the next little while.
There was a two part episode that is

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tentatively titled A Streak of Good Buck
that is planned for album seventy seven,

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which was written by Kathy Buchanan,
and they said that that title could change

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based on feedback, So if you
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let them know. I don't mind
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to use the character name as a
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recent album. So so of course
Buck is going to be in this episode,

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and he's going to meet a new
friend named Braden, who will be

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played by Grayson Smith, who,
if you didn't know, is the winner

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of the Get in the Show contest
from twenty seventeen. And we also just

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heard Grayson in twenty eight Hours as
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So that'll be cool to hear him
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what happened with the first winner,
Shona actually becoming a regular cast member and

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some might even say a core member
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appearing in a couple of small bit
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that was, I'm sure for him
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always kind of felt a little bad
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a significant role. So it's kind
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for various parts and maybe this character
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knows. But also we may be
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way as well, because we know
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Right Notes, Wrong Key, written

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by Kathy Buchanan, and this will
have a story centering around Jewels and Bridget

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and will involve Jewels joining a local
band and the band's name is called Manic

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Ravioli, which just cracks me up. And a couple of the band members

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names are Gunner and raz so sounds
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ride there. And this episode is
slated for album seventy six, and we'll

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be in the club in December.
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had this musical tendency for a while. We had the whole thing with the

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Westcots and that was interesting. Would
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though I doubt if we will,
since the other two voices of the

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Westcots are no longer around, and
if you didn't know, they were shown

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as sister and mother, and so
that they are no longer in California and

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available for recording. I guess they
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Aio did move to some remote stuff
during the whole pandemic thing, so I

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suppose it is still a possibility in
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that whole thing with her in that
musical side of Jewels, and then we

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had the whole thing with you know, trying to be a pop star in

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California, and then Buck sort of
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all of that stuff. So yeah, we know that Jules has had this

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musical ability, so this will be
interesting. I guess they said it's a

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local band this time, so this
could be an interesting premise. I'm not

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like super enthused about it. It's
probably going to be more comedic. I

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mean with the names that we're getting
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we'll see. And the next one
that we found out about is an episode

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with the Calhoun family called The Heroes
Laundry. We don't know who the writer

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was, but it was directed by
Dave Arnold and will have all of the

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members of the Calhoun family Kayla and
Joseph and Cooper and Trey. And Trey

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is going to be like the main
focus in this episode, and the premise

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is that he is trying to figure
out what makes him special in a emily

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of obvious difference makers. So,
you know, we know that Joseph is

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a doctor or a surgeon, Kayla
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Cooper, I don't know what his
difference maker ability is. He's a football

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player, I don't know. But
apparently Trey is feeling like he's not living

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up to all of the cool things
that the rest of his family members can

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do. So it sounds like a
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of family episode. Also, Zoe
and Ted Humphries will be making it an

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appearance. Love Ted Humphries, So
I'm excited that we'll be hearing from him

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again, but overall this sounds like
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Then we have also coming up for
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The Rydell Realizations, and this was
written by Phil Lawler and it will of

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course have more in it. We
don't know for sure if Suzu will be

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but I would assume she would be, and this one is slated to hit

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the club in either December or January
twenty twenty four. Don't really know a

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whole lot about these episodes yet,
other than it is a three parter,

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so it's going to take up half
of album seventy six. So it remains

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to be seen what these will be
about. And as most AIO fans are

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aware, there are some pretty mixed
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so we just have to wait and
see where things go. Though I

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must say the title has me intrigued, The Rydell Realizations, so that could

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go a lot of different ways,
all right. Next up is another three

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partter. It is titled Running the
Race, but it was changed was originally

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titled The Runner. This one was
also written by Phil Lawler, along with

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Dave Arnold, and will feature mainly
Bridget and Wilson Knox in an Imagination Station

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adventure. And this will tell the
story of Scottish athlete and missionary Eric Little.

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And so this is an interesting story
which I have heard of before,

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don't really know a whole lot about
it, but I like History episodes and

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I like Imagination Station episodes, so
this should be good. In the cast,

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we'll have Michael Gough playing the Prince
of Wales, and we've heard from

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him before. He also voiced George
Leonard White in The Jubilee Singers and General

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Gaiman in Darien's Rise, and if
you don't remember, this was the general

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that Darien pretended to be crazy in
front of and then turned around and captured

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him. And he also played a
couple of characters in Unsinkable, so he

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will be returning, as I mentioned
a minute ago, the Prince of Wales,

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along with a few other bit parts. And speaking of bit parts,

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we're also going to hear sound designer
Luke Gno playing a messenger boy and possibly

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a couple of other little bits.
And there's going to be at least three

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different actors voicing Eric a Little over
the course of his life, so across

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these three episodes, it sounds like
it's going to tell his whole life story,

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starting in childhood all the way up
to middle age. So you know,

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when they have time to really flesh
out a story. Three parters like

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this, those often are just really
fantastic because you have way more time to

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really dig into things, and so
I'm looking forward to this. These will

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be club episodes for early twenty twenty
four, so still ways out, but

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definitely looking forward to hearing. The
next up is an episode called Quiet as

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a Smouse written by Abigail Geiger,
and this one will feature Buddy Jay,

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Zoey, Vincent's mouse, Connie,
and Red Hollard. So this sounds like

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it could be interesting. If I'm
remembering correctly. Vincent's mouse is the cousin

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of Jay, who he has referenced
a few times but we have never heard

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from before. Am I remembering that
correctly? I think so, so this

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should be interesting. The short synopsis
is that the kids enter their school project

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the Case of the Blue Diamond in
an audio drama contest, So we have

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a little bit of a meta plot
going on here, similar to that previous

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episode where the kids were working on
a script of an audio drama and they

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kept taking it all these different weird
directions. All the kids had their own

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vision for the story. I'm blanking
the title of that episode now, but

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this sounds like it's something similar,
or at least it's an audio drama within

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an audio drama. And the Case
of the Blue Diamond, I'm wondering if

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that is a reference to the blue
carbuncle or something the Sherlock Holmes story.

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With the word the case of something
in the title, it sounds like it's

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going to be a mystery of some
sort. So this one could be a

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lot of fun. Quiet as a
Smouse again, we have a pun in

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the title. And Red Hollard.
You know, I was never a huge,

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huge fan of that character, but
he was He was fun, and

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so this will be the first time
in over one hundred episodes that we'll hear

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from him. So yeah, it'll
be cool to hear from him again.

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The last show that he was in
was number eight fifty seven, the same

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mold story there again with the puns
again, but so you know, it'll

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be interesting to hear from him again. And Steve Easton is still playing this

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character who Incidentally, Steve also appeared
in the Audio Bible superproduction that we have

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talked about here on the show in
the past, so he is going to

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be returning as Red Hollard and this
will be a club episode for June of

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twenty twenty four, so quite a
ways out. We're almost a year out

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from that one. We also found
out a little bit more about an episode

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called Alibis, which was written by
one of the newer writers, Jesse Kellum

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the fourth and this one will have
Jules Bridget and Ryan and this is coming

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up fairly soon. It'll be a
club episode in September of twenty twenty three,

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and we do know that the episode
is going to open in wits end.

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And that's about all, so lots
of interesting episodes to come. Man.

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I was talking with some of the
members of the Audio Drama Alliance recently

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and just saying that the last eighteen
months or so ish of Honesty episodes have

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been some of the strongest in years
in my opinion. I've just really enjoyed

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a lot of the stuff that's been
happening in recent months, and man,

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I'm looking forward to this. I
really have enjoyed the knox On episodes,

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so I hope we hear more of
those soon. That format is just really

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interesting to me, and I just
like the idea of the pastor just getting

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behind the mic, bringing in a
few friends to voice some different characters and

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sharing some stories that illustrate a point
and doing so in a really interesting,

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compelling way. And look, I'm
a podcaster, so I like the reference

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to him having a podcast, so
that's really cool. And speaking of podcasts,

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Townsend Coleman, and Dave Arnold will
be appearing in the July twelfth episode

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of the official Adventuous and Odyssey podcast
and they said that they will be quote

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talking about a topic that will rock
your world unquote. Now what does that

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mean? I mean, you don't
We don't have that long to wait to

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find out, but that could be
taken literally. Are they talking about,

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you know, a band, a
rock band. I don't know. I

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don't know what does that mean?
Or is this literally going to be a

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major, huge, massive announcement for
the show. I don't know, what

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would they announce on the podcast like
that. Maybe I'm reading more into this

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and maybe it's just a poor choice
of words or they're trying to overplay something.

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I don't know, but that is
a quote there a topic that will

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rock your world. So oh man, I have no clue what is in

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store for that podcast episode, but
you can guarantee that I will be listening

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the moment it drops to find out
what's going on. So if you have

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some thoughts on these, some predictions, any of these episodes, any additional

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information that you may have gleaned,
Hey, I'd be happy to hear that.

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I always love talking AIO with you, So hey, let me know

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what you think of this stuff.
Testing one, two, three, testing

407
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,320
Dalla's just me talking. I do
that a lot. Where's my speech?

408
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,840
Long? Are you going to war
with it? That's what I want to

409
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:31,800
talk about. So here's what I'm
thinking. AI has been blowing up in

410
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:38,119
the news and you're seeing it mentioned
everywhere these days in all sorts of use

411
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:45,039
cases. But what about AI in
audio drama. I've been thinking about this

412
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:51,400
for a little while now, and
then just recently had a listener who runs

413
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,920
a technology blog out of Texas reach
out and say that they had put together

414
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:05,880
a short AI created audio drama.
And I was intrigued because, as I

415
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,840
said, I had already been sort
of thinking about this where does it fit

416
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:15,440
in this space? And this tech
blog called The Tech Boy just happened to

417
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,519
reach out right at the right time, and so I thought, well,

418
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,639
let's talk about this, and I
got their permission to play this for you.

419
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:27,159
So it's only a few minutes.
I think it's about four minutes long.

420
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:34,000
So this is entirely written by AI
and voiced by AI as well.

421
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,800
So buckle up and let's take a
listen to this short audio drama and then

422
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:46,679
let's let's dissect this. Mom,
dad, guess what. I've been saving

423
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,519
up my money from once and I
finally have enough to buy the new game

424
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,639
Box five thousand game console. Can
I please get it? Michael? We

425
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,280
understand your desire, but we've discussed
this before. We don't think it's the

426
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,159
right time for you to have a
game console. We believe there are other

427
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:08,119
priorities for your money and time.
Son. It's important to trust our judgment.

428
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:14,920
Disobeying us will only lead to consequences. We want what's best for you.

429
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:22,760
Despite his parents disapproval, Michael's secretly
purchase is the game Box five thousand

430
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,400
With his hard earned money. Michael, we have a surprise for you.

431
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,159
We've been thinking and we decided to
get you a special Christmas gift this year.

432
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:36,000
Wow, it's the game box five
thousand. Thank you, Mom and

433
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:40,400
Dad. Michael eagerly unwraps the parents
gift and begins setting up the game console.

434
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,079
Michael, we need to talk.
We discovered that you bought the game

435
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:52,280
console secretly, even though we asked
you not to. We appreciate your excitement

436
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,880
and your hard work, but disobeying
us was not the right choice. I'm

437
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,800
sorry, Mom and Dad. I
thought I knew better of it. I

438
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:05,079
realize now that I was wrong.
Michael's parents decide to return the Christmas console

439
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,679
and have a heartfelt conversation with their
son. Michael. We love you and

440
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,360
we want you to learn from this
experience. We've returned to the Christmas console,

441
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,960
but you can keep the one you
bought. However, there will be

442
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,480
consequences for your disobedience. You won't
be allowed to use our electricity to power

443
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:29,440
the game console. I understand,
Mom and Dad. I realize now that

444
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,360
my desire for a game console led
me to disobey you, and it caused

445
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,559
harm to our relationship. I don't
want that. I'll find a way to

446
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:43,159
make things right. Michael, driven
by a newfound understanding decides to make a

447
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:47,400
selfless choice. I've decided to give
away the game console I bought. It

448
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,639
has caused division and disobedience in my
family. I want to make things right.

449
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,880
Hey, Michael, did you finally
get the game box five thousand?

450
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,760
Yeah? I did, but something
happened and I realized it wasn't the right

451
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,920
choice. What do you mean,
well, I bought it secretly, even

452
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,039
though my parents had said no.
It caused tension in my family, and

453
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,639
now they've taken away the Christmas consul
and told me I can only keep the

454
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,880
one I bought if I don't use
their electricity. That's rough, man,

455
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:22,480
but it's still a coal consul.
Why don't you just keep it and play

456
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,800
it when your parents aren't around.
No, I've learned my lesson disobeying my

457
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,079
parents was wrong, and I want
to show them that I understand that.

458
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:36,000
Now Michael carefully packs up the game
console, preparing to give it away.

459
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,679
I need to find someone who would
truly appreciate and benefit from this console.

460
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:45,079
Missus Johnson, I've been thinking about
my actions, and I'd like to donate

461
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,800
this game console. I believe it
could bring joy to some one else.

462
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,639
Michael, that's a wonderful gesture.
We have a local children's shelter that would

463
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:59,920
greatly appreciate such a gift. Your
selfishness will make a difference in their life.

464
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:05,480
Michael visits the children's shelter and presents
the game console as a gift.

465
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,440
I hope this brings you joy and
happiness. Enjoy playing and make wonderful memories

466
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,559
together. Wow, thank you so
much. This is amazing, Michael.

467
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,480
We just received a call from Missus
Johnson. She told us about your active

468
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:27,800
selflessness. We are proud of you
son, great job son. And so

469
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:32,960
Michael's journey teaches us that obedience to
our parents and making selfless choices can bring

470
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,599
greater joy and fulfillment than any material
possession. As we reflect on this story,

471
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,920
let us remember the words of Ephesian
six one to three for children,

472
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,559
obey your parents and the Lord,
for this is right. Honor your father

473
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,079
and mother, which is the first
commandment, with the promise, so that

474
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,800
it may go well with you and
that you may enjoy long life on the

475
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:04,039
earth. Okay, so obviously has
no music, no sound effects, just

476
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:09,159
the voices, but it's enough there
to see where the AI was going.

477
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,840
Obviously it has a ton a ton
of issues. Now Here is the prompt

478
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:22,960
that was given to chat Gpt to
write this. They said, write me

479
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:27,960
a fifteen minute Christian audio drama script
that will give me a story about a

480
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,960
kid who works hard and saves up
his money, but buys a game console

481
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:38,159
when his parents say no. So
fairly specific. And they did say that

482
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:45,800
there were three or four other revision
prompts to help it refine it a little

483
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:52,119
bit more, but obviously it's still
is very lacking. First of all,

484
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:58,679
the prompt was write a fifteen minute
script that when voice was only four and

485
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,880
a quarter minutes, Even if you
add music and sound effects, it's probably

486
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,199
only going to be about five minutes. So it was short by ten minutes

487
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,960
of what was requested. Also,
where did this Missus Johnson character come from?

488
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,000
She just pops up suddenly he's talking
to her. And of course there

489
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,360
are logical problems like why take back
the console that they had gifted him,

490
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:29,880
but let him keep the one that
he bought? Strange strange there, you

491
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:35,000
can keep it, but you can't
use our electricity, no electricity. What

492
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:39,760
is he supposed to do if they're
letting him keep it drag an extension chord

493
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,480
over to the neighbor's house and use
their electricity. That whole thing was just

494
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:45,920
strange to me, and it made
me laugh out loud, and it wasn't

495
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:53,199
supposed to be funny. So lots
and lots of issues here with this script.

496
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,559
It is interesting though, that the
prompt specifically requested a Christian audio drama,

497
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:04,800
and the narrator there at the end
works in an actual scripture verse,

498
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,360
and so the moral was there in
the story, although again logical issues all

499
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,639
the way through, and then we
have this unnecessary narrator who tells little things

500
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:22,719
that are going on throughout the story
which could have easily been shown through dialogue.

501
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:30,480
So obviously, using AI to just
outright develop a script for an audio

502
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:35,960
drama is not a great idea.
There's just so many issues with this.

503
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:42,280
And I actually heard one several months
ago that was even worse than this.

504
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:50,199
It was just it made almost zero
sense, and so this is not a

505
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:59,079
great idea to use AI to write
scripts. Now. The whole point in

506
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:05,960
bringing this up for me is and
side note here, I haven't fully thought

507
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,719
through all of this yet, so
this is really just me talking it out

508
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,519
with you here on the show.
But for me, I think it's an

509
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:20,559
interesting tool to use for inspiration,
not as an actual scriptwriting tool. That

510
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,719
is, to me, it's cheating, it's disingenuous, and it's not going

511
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,119
to give you a great result,
you know. But using it as a

512
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:38,199
tool for inspiration, I think that
is where it could work. Case in

513
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,519
point, A couple of years ago, when Michael Schrader and I were flying

514
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:51,519
out to Sonic Con twenty twenty,
he told me a story, and I

515
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:54,960
think we were on the plane or
in the airport, and he told me

516
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:01,400
a story of an interesting thing that
happened to him as he was up in

517
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:07,519
the mountains of Colorado hiking one time. And I'm not going to give too

518
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,760
many details of what happened, and
you'll see why in a moment, but

519
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,800
he tells me the story of this
encounter that he had just out in the

520
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,519
wilderness of the Colorado Mountains, and
it was just fascinating to me. And

521
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:29,559
I told him that wouldn't make an
amazing audio drama script. You could easily

522
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:35,199
take that and use it as the
basis of a totally awesome audio drama.

523
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,599
And that was all that, you
know, We moved on and we talked

524
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,760
about other things, and we didn't
you delve into it any further. But

525
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,079
for some reason, that story stayed
in the back of my mind ever since

526
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:52,960
then, and so I believe it
was last year or very early this year.

527
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:58,800
I took that story, broke it
down into a couple of essential elements,

528
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:06,480
and I asked chat Gpt to write
a logline and a synopsis for an

529
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:14,920
audio drama script based on these couple
of story elements. And it did a

530
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:22,079
really good job of creating again a
logline and in a full synopsis, it

531
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:29,199
created characters, it gave the characters
names, and it had this whole overview

532
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:35,800
of a plot for this story.
Now, it was very very much thin

533
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:42,039
on details of exactly how things worked
out in this story. It was very

534
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,800
much a high overview. I did
follow up with a few other prompts to

535
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,599
flesh it out a little bit more, but I could never get it to

536
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:59,159
really give me a really good solid
details of each plot point that I thought

537
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:07,079
would work totally. But I thought
it was a very interesting start. There

538
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:12,360
is no way that you could take
that and make it into a good story

539
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:19,480
as it was. It would take
some major major revisions and refining and probably

540
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:24,559
even some complete changes in certain parts
by an actual human to make it a

541
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:31,159
good story and one that would actually
work for audio drama. So again,

542
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:39,599
this is early contemplations of this whole
idea for me, but I'm saying at

543
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:46,159
this point, don't use AI to
write audio drama scripts. Use it for

544
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:54,639
inspiration if you want to feed it
little prompts to get the creative juices flowing.

545
00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:00,159
Maybe it'll pull up something that you
hadn't thought of before for a direction

546
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:07,239
you could take things, But don't
rely on this stuff to create content for

547
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,480
you. And I know that I'm
speaking primarily to audio drama fans here,

548
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,159
but I think it's probably safe to
say that you, as audio drama fans,

549
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,159
don't want this kind of content either. You want good quality audio dramas,

550
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:28,039
great stories that you can really get
on board with these characters. And

551
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:34,280
so, because I have seen people
out there trying to create audio dramas entirely

552
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,920
from AI and actually putting them out
there as a show and with multiple episodes

553
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,360
and stuff. And I'm not calling
out this blogger, the tech boy,

554
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,320
he was doing this as an experiment, but there are people out there that

555
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:55,360
are actually creating these shows and actually
releasing them as if they are just amazing

556
00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,159
pieces of art. And I'm just
saying, this is not the way.

557
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,440
This is not the way. And
while we're on this whole topic, I'm

558
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:12,519
certainly not a fan of AI voices. Look, I'm a voice artist myself,

559
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,719
and this is a huge discussion right
now in the voiceover world because some

560
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:28,239
small companies are actually opting for AHI
voices for ads or company training modules and

561
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:35,719
videos and stuff like that, and
so some of the work in voiceover is

562
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,679
going to AI right now because the
voices are getting very good. However,

563
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,920
AI just can't reproduce the nuance and
the feeling of a human voice. And

564
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:55,159
you've probably heard in this sample here
from this little drama that it's severely lacking

565
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,119
in terms of the range that a
voice can create. Of course, they

566
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:07,280
will get better and they will become
more human like, but I don't think

567
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:14,079
it's necessarily an ethical thing to do
to use these voices and to rely on

568
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,800
them. Yeah, again, this
is off the top of my head,

569
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:23,199
and so maybe I'm overstepping a little
bit to say that it's not ethical.

570
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:28,480
I guess you can do whatever you
want to do as a creator, but

571
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,639
I think you should at least let
people know that they're not human voices if

572
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:36,039
you're going to do something like this. I don't know. It is some

573
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,400
muddy waters, this whole AI thing. So I don't know. Am I

574
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,480
opening a can of worms here by
even bringing this up? I don't know.

575
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:52,320
I just I just don't think it's
a great idea to use AI voices,

576
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:58,880
and certainly not use AI to write
your stories, because they're just not

577
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:07,280
great. And it's been shown over
and over again that AI gets details factually

578
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,960
wrong a lot, and so I
think most creators know this, but apparently

579
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,440
there are people out there who think
it is a good idea, and I'm

580
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,400
saying, no, it's it's not. It's not a great idea, and

581
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,559
I'm sure the fans are saying the
same thing as well. So Hey,

582
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:29,559
as always with these monologue segments,
this is just what I've been thinking about

583
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,800
lately. Let me know what you
think, even if you disagree with me,

584
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,079
I'm happy to hear from you,
So let us know what you think.

585
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,559
And speaking of what you think,
so what do you think of the

586
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:49,280
show? Please leave your message after
the zone hi audiened Theater Central. Hey,

587
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,960
guys, this is awesome. How
about j Roy Andrew Minuit Victoria.

588
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,280
Yesterday I received a letter from a
big fan. No time to I've got

589
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,400
an email I keep for me today. No, it's actually just your mail.

590
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,639
Yes, it is that time to
hear from you in the ATC community.

591
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,880
As I mentioned in the last episode, Easy had sent in a voicemail

592
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:20,000
and had a few different questions.
And so we listened to the first part

593
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,199
and addressed to that last time.
And so here is part two, and

594
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,519
he's got a couple of other questions. So let's give this a listen and

595
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:37,119
address this. My other question to
you is what do you think constitutes success

596
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:44,000
in this space today with the producers
who are not Odyssey and have not been

597
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:47,360
around for forever. I did not
think that anything would come close to the

598
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,440
successful level that Odyssey had in the
nineties and two thousands, because you got

599
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:58,239
to think every city had a Christian
bookstore, and every Addisian bookstore had AUDI

600
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,639
few albums. It just did back
then. I was huge. According to

601
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:07,519
Wikipedia. By the nineties they had
sold over a million cassettes. That's amazing.

602
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:12,400
I didn't think that anything could come
close to that until jen Z did

603
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:19,559
what they've done, which has just
been unbelievable. So my whole thought,

604
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:27,760
and another side question, is if
you are an independent content creator, and

605
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,079
even if we use ATC, which
I love Durmser by the way, I

606
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:35,280
feel like ATC is the premier place
to go, which is why I am

607
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,679
subscribed and I check all the time
and I've gotten so many shows from you.

608
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:45,480
The fundamental problem still remains. I
think you have to give people something

609
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,880
to get something. What I mean
by that is aio is still available Monday

610
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:57,400
through Saturday online and on the radio, but online a free episode every day,

611
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,679
six days a week. Gen Z
has done podcasting and has done it

612
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,800
to a level that they monetized it
with advertising, and they have developed a

613
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,719
much bigger fan base, let's be
honest, than anyone in the space has

614
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:22,000
accept Odyssey. So I feel like
podcasting is the biggest source of engagement that

615
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,480
content creators can have today to get
their stuff out, even if they put

616
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,480
out one or two of them and
then they want you to buy the product,

617
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,760
because that's what they would have done
with radio. The problem is people

618
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,440
will will then be able to keep
it. So I'm curious to see what

619
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,760
even because I'm not going to buy
something, And maybe this is just mean

620
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,800
I'm not going to buy something if
I can't hear a good sample of it.

621
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,639
First, the first episode should be
on YouTube. It should be available

622
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:57,000
of a podcast, because that's what
Odyssey did, That's what everybody has always

623
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:59,639
done to get and then you run
out and you want to buy the rest

624
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,119
and you want to see what happens. That's where their success came from and

625
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:07,800
comes from. But I don't know
if the producers, the indie producers,

626
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,679
if you will, for lack of
a better term, in the space,

627
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,679
can do that. I'd be curious
to know if you think if they would

628
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,800
feel like it would be a waste
of time to put out even one episode

629
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,079
for free. But then again,
if you don't, I just don't think,

630
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,480
and I would like to be wrong, because the space can grow.

631
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,239
I just don't think that there are
an exorbitant number of people who are going

632
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,679
to rush out and buy something that
they have not hurt, even if you

633
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,840
give them a glowing review. But
I'm just curious. There's just a lot

634
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,719
to try to throw out there for
your consideration. I love the show,

635
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,920
I always have, you know that, and a huge hand people the monologue,

636
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,239
and I guess I'm very curious what
you think. So there's a couple

637
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,159
of questions here. Let's let's dive
into this. The first question, what

638
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,880
is success in modern audio drama?
What does that look like? I would

639
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:15,280
say that that would probably look a
little different for every producer. It really

640
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,760
depends on what their goal is with
the project that they are working on.

641
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,519
Some might be satisfied to just be
able to break even. Some might even

642
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:28,360
just be satisfied with just making the
show and putting it out there. They

643
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:35,519
don't really care how many people check
it out or if they garner a massive

644
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:42,119
following that may not even be on
their their radar. Others might want to

645
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:46,519
be making enough to have the show
be sustainable so that it could actually continue,

646
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:54,119
And others may actually be wanting to
make a living from audio rama production.

647
00:56:54,280 --> 00:57:00,480
So I don't think there is a
one size fits all definition for success

648
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:05,599
in modern audio drama. Now we're
talking about a business. Yes, they

649
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:09,920
have to make money. They have
to generate substantial amounts of revenue to continue

650
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,440
to operate wise King Media, for
instance, they are a for profit company.

651
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:21,880
They have to hit certain benchmarks in
revenue with every single release. That

652
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:28,880
they have in order to keep operating
and then of course make the next release.

653
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:37,159
So for an independent producer, obviously
those benchmarks are much lower, but

654
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:45,159
again it would depend on whatever their
individual goals and aspirations are for the particular

655
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,280
project that they are working on.
And yes, you're right, Adventures not

656
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,199
Cy was massively successful. I think
in any metric or definition that you have,

657
00:57:55,199 --> 00:58:02,039
that effort has been successful. And
to your next point about what about

658
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:07,679
giving away one or two episodes for
free, I do agree that a good,

659
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,480
high quality product from a great producer
could potentially take off in the podcast

660
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:17,000
market. That's exactly why I talked
about this very issue in a previous monologue.

661
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:22,360
So I'm not going to rehash everything
that I talked about there, but

662
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,159
I will say then, yes,
I agree with that point. I do

663
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:31,320
think that it has been an untapped
avenue so far in the family friendly audio

664
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,400
drama space. Now I do know
there are some people that are trying to

665
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,000
crack that nut, so we'll see, we'll see how this goes. But

666
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:46,559
I would love to see somebody be
able to just go crazy with a really

667
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:54,000
high quality, clean audio drama in
the podcast distribution market. So yes,

668
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:59,400
I agree with that point, Now
to the point of giving people a little

669
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,679
taste of of the auio drama before
expecting them to make a purchase. Now,

670
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,239
I mean we have Discovery Mountain,
we have Pirateiers from Eternal Future Productions.

671
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,239
We have Paws and Tails, Greenhorn
Tails, a Bit of Time Travel.

672
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:17,719
All of these shows are available as
podcasts. I mean, the episodes

673
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,440
are not held back, They're not
behind a paywall. They're all there now.

674
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:28,320
Yes, Discovery Mountain does have a
club, I forget exactly what it's

675
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,039
called, but they do have a
premium option where you get additional content.

676
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:38,000
But all of their main episodes are
distributed for free as a podcast. Anybody

677
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:45,960
can access them. Shadows in Daylight, Iliot House and others have their first

678
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:52,360
episodes available for free. You can
stream them and so you do get exactly

679
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,559
what you were talking about one or
two episodes for free. Bring Him An

680
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,400
Adventures Down, Gilead Lane, Lamp
Ladder, Theater, Patch, The Pirate

681
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,000
Nick Guy, Private Eye, Your
Story Hour. All of these shows still

682
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:09,960
air on the radio, so you
can listen to them for free, and

683
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:17,400
all of them have premium options or
you know, uncut versions, full director's

684
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,079
cut or whatever you want to call
them available for purchase. Yes, you

685
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:28,039
can sample them on radio, and
many of these programs actually air on our

686
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:31,599
radio station, Porchlight FM Radio,
which you can check out at PFM dot

687
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:37,239
link, Slash Radio if you're interested. Saturday mornings, we have a block

688
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,079
of audio drama programming and you can
listen to a lot of those on there.

689
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,800
Your Story Hour in particular, often
puts up free episodes on their website,

690
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,800
and they even give away episodes.
They say, you know, here's

691
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,119
a handful of episodes you can download
for free. Lamplighter, Again, they're

692
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,960
on the radio, but they also
put episodes up on their site every week.

693
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,599
So a lot of these programs are
already doing what you are asking.

694
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:12,400
They're giving away a ton of content
for free. And also many of these

695
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,760
shows can be listened to on demand
whenever you want on Drama Fi for free

696
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,159
if you don't mind hearing an ad
in between, and if you want to

697
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:27,159
get rid of the ads, then
you just upgrade to the monthly Drama Fi

698
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,639
subscription for a few bucks and then
you get no ads. So there is

699
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:36,199
a ton of content out there that
is available to listen to for free.

700
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:37,920
Now, yeah, you do kind
of have to go looking for it in

701
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:44,880
some instances, and that's why we
try to make it easy for people,

702
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:50,000
let them know about what's available and
where to get it. And so I'm

703
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,440
glad that you liked my answer to
your previous question about ATC kind of the

704
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,599
answer for people who are looking to
find stuff. There are so many resources

705
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:02,920
on our website, lots of different
pages with different themed types of audio dramas.

706
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,039
If somebody's looking for something in particular
a Christmas audio drama or a Western

707
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,079
audio drama, we've got all of
those kind of groups. We've even got

708
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:15,440
a list of shows that are available
on drama fy that we think are worth

709
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:22,639
checking out. So there's lots of
ways to get content free and based on

710
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,960
an AD supported model. But to
your point about a lot of people not

711
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,519
being willing to buy something, I
do think that you are probably in the

712
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:35,599
minority. They're easy. A few
years ago, we did a survey of

713
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:40,679
the ATC community and one of the
questions I asked was what entices you to

714
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:45,719
check out a new audio drama?
What does it take to get you to

715
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:52,199
go buy that? And this was
not a set. I didn't provide options,

716
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:57,679
So these are not going to total
up to you, but people could

717
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:01,519
put in whatever they wanted, so
I broke down all of this data into

718
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:07,440
categories. The most common thing that
was repeated over and over by the respondents

719
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:12,639
twenty nine percent of them said,
all it takes is an interesting title or

720
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:16,119
a summary for them to go and
buy an audio drama. That's it.

721
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:23,599
The second highest was twenty three percent
said all it takes is familiar cast and

722
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:30,760
crew, so they know the people
that are involved in this other show from

723
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,559
elsewhere, and so they're willing to
go ahead and check this out without anything

724
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:42,559
else other than knowing that fact.
The next one was recommendations and reviews.

725
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:51,440
Eighteen percent said word of mouth or
reviews from people that they trust is enough

726
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,239
to get them to go buy it
now. Of course that's not a huge,

727
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:01,480
huge number, but it's still significant
eighteen percent. And lastly, the

728
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:08,639
next one that was in double digits
was a trailer or teaser audio. Seventeen

729
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:11,960
percent said they like to have that
and that's what it takes to get them

730
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:17,840
to actually go ahead and commit.
So that was the lowest out of the

731
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:24,800
double digit percentage points. And so
we've had a lot of people over the

732
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:30,599
years tell us that they wait until
ATC reviews something to buy it. They

733
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:33,199
want to know what we think about
it. And many times I've heard from

734
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:38,079
people saying, Hey, you just
talked about this one, and I went

735
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:40,800
and bought it right after. You
know, I've heard that so many times

736
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,159
over the years. So I know
that people do want to find new content.

737
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:48,960
They're interested in looking for other shows, and they want to know what

738
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:55,679
other people think. And so I
do think those numbers are significant, and

739
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,920
I think it's it's definitely indicative of
the mindset of people here in the ATC

740
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:04,719
community, and these we are the
super fans of audio drama. We are

741
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:11,480
the ones that are constantly on the
lookout for new stuff. So these numbers

742
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:16,360
might be a little bit lower for
your average audio drama fan. Maybe somebody

743
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,679
who just is like a fan of
Adventurous Odyssey and hasn't really ventured out a

744
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:26,360
whole lot. It might take a
little bit more for them to actually buy

745
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,719
something. But overall, I think
that these are fairly representative numbers. So

746
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:39,840
that is kind of a long answer, but it's a big question. And

747
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:45,360
to sort of echo a little bit
of what I said before in the monologue

748
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:51,119
about using podcasting, just because you
release something as a podcast does not guarantee

749
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:57,440
success or a massive audience. You
do also have to really work at it

750
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:04,960
and do a lot of marketing because
ad supported shows are all based on listener

751
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:13,599
numbers, download numbers, and so
you have to have a really substantial audience

752
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:18,719
to make ad supported content actually be
worthwhile. So that's why I think it's

753
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:24,000
a great idea to do a combination
of that. If you're going to go

754
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:30,280
down the ad model path, then
it's also great to have other revenue streams

755
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:38,360
such as premium content or merchandise and
that kind of stuff. So I mentioned

756
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:44,199
Pirateers earlier. Yes, they release
their entire seasons for free as a podcast,

757
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,280
but if you really like the show, you can go to their website

758
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:54,320
and order a CD or digital download
of the entire season, a full cut,

759
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:00,159
no episode breaks and credits in between. It's just a long, full

760
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:04,480
cut of the entire season. And
I think that's great. It's an awesome

761
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:12,480
way to bring in a revenue source, and you're still using the free version

762
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:18,239
on the podcast as a way to
bring in new listeners. So again,

763
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:24,559
a long answer, a lot to
cover, and again there's lots of variables.

764
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:32,039
Because every single creator has different goals
and has different thresholds for what revenue

765
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:38,440
they need to make in order to
make more shows. So that's kind of

766
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,800
where things stand at this point.
And again, I would love to see

767
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:49,000
more people entering that space and working
really hard to put some advertising and marketing

768
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:56,519
dollars into a high quality podcast audio
drama, and it would be amazing if

769
01:07:56,719 --> 01:08:00,519
we could see them reach the level
or even surpass what is doing. And

770
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:05,719
I think maybe one to watch is
BYU Radio. Now. They did have

771
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,159
a connection to gen Z in the
past with their show Treasure Island twenty twenty,

772
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:15,079
but they're venturing out on their own
with their new show Kaboom, which

773
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,359
is being released as a podcast,
so you know, well, we'll have

774
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:23,520
to see how things play out.
They've released a full season already and they're

775
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,840
already working on season two of that
show. So I'm definitely watching and we'll

776
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,039
see. We'll see how things play
out for them. But it's an interesting

777
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:39,560
space and it's interesting to talk about
the various methods in this new media consumption

778
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,840
world. How relevant is radio these
days? I don't know. I would

779
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:49,439
love to know, So I don't
know how satisfactory that answer is easy.

780
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,199
But if you have some thoughts that
you'd like to add to it, I'd

781
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:57,880
like to hear from you as well. All right, Moving on to our

782
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,880
next piece of feedback, and it
is an email from Sarah. She says,

783
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,960
immediately after ATC one eighty one,
I bought The Generation's audio drama.

784
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:11,000
I just finished it. It may
be my favorite audio drama of all time.

785
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,000
Oh that's interesting. Easy. You
see that somebody actually when had bought

786
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:17,880
something after hearing about it on ATC. It's almost as if I planned that.

787
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:24,520
Oh sorry, I couldn't resist.
I couldn't resist anyway. Sarah continues.

788
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,840
The way the suspense, mystery,
romance, comedy, and action are

789
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,800
all woven together in a tangled web
of past and present is absolutely breathtaking.

790
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:36,880
I found myself laughing, crying,
and at more than one point clutching the

791
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:42,000
edge of a chair or table trying
to get my breath back. I honestly

792
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:45,560
can't give this high enough praise.
I also found the mixture of audiobook and

793
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,640
audio drama very masterfully done. It
didn't feel choppy or like there was too

794
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:54,960
much of the narrator. I do
have two very nitpicky items, though,

795
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,920
One is that I found Deputy O'Brien's
voice much too young for the character.

796
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:02,920
I couldn't alway tell who was talking, and his voice didn't exactly exude tough

797
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:08,760
police officer. The second thing that
I was a little uncomfortable with was the

798
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,000
word daddy being used for God.
I suppose it's the fact that it didn't

799
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,239
seem as respectful as father does.
What are your thoughts on those things?

800
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,840
Overall, though those facts didn't affect
my rating at all, it's still five

801
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:26,760
hundred thousand million stars from me.
I absolutely cannot wait for Generations too,

802
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:30,479
especially after the excerpt at the end
of Generations one. Do you know when

803
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:35,079
it may be released? Well,
I am so glad Sarah that you enjoyed

804
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:39,920
Generations. It's a wonderful story.
It is so great. I really really

805
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,239
enjoyed it myself. Now. To
answer your questions, yeah, there probably

806
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:49,880
were a few casting choices that were
not one hundred percent the best fit.

807
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,319
But that is kind of what happens
when you are working on a low budget

808
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,640
and you may not have access to
a huge talent pool. You have to

809
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,720
work with what you have available to
you. As you heard in the interview,

810
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,279
they were working with local actors that
they knew from their theater work for

811
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,840
generations, so you know, that
was probably just what they were able to

812
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,239
get for that character. And you
know, that's not the only time I've

813
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:26,119
come across an issue of a voice
that I didn't think was a great fit.

814
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,000
It happens even in some of these
big budget productions I've you know,

815
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,680
I've even heard a couple of times
on Lamplidder Theater where I thought, hey,

816
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:39,279
that probably wasn't the greatest casting decision
there. So it happens on occasion,

817
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,760
and you know, you can only
hope that it doesn't detract too much

818
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,640
from the enjoyment of the story,
and it sounds like it didn't detract too

819
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:53,159
much for you as you listened your
second question. You know, using the

820
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:59,560
word daddy for God, having a
character who calls him daddy. It's never

821
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:04,960
really but it is not something that
I do necessarily, but I don't necessarily

822
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,600
have a problem with it. You
say that it doesn't feel like it's quite

823
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,600
as respectful as saying father. I
think in some ways it could be even

824
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:19,520
more respectful, depending on your perspective, because it is being very familiar.

825
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:25,960
I mean, God does say that
he is our father, and that he

826
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,079
cares for us deeply. He calls
us his children. So you know,

827
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:36,279
again, it's not a term that
I use in my prayers, but for

828
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,960
somebody else to do it, I
don't have a problem with it. A

829
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:46,079
song from a Christian music artist that
I really like is Sean Groves, and

830
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:53,800
he wrote a song called Abba Father, and it is a beautiful song that

831
01:12:53,960 --> 01:13:00,119
is essentially a prayer to God,
and at the end he says he calls

832
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:09,159
God Daddy in a really soft tone. And I always loved that moment in

833
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:14,319
that song because it did feel so
tender and like you're so close to God,

834
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,800
you have such a good relationship that
you are comfortable calling him daddy,

835
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:25,960
And I've always just thought that that
was beautiful. So yeah, I don't

836
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,479
have an issue with it, And
I'm not saying that you're wrong for feeling

837
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:35,439
that way. Everybody approaches these sorts
of things differently, but for me personally,

838
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:39,960
while it may be a little awkward
for me to say something like that,

839
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:45,039
I don't have a problem with it
at all. As for when Generations

840
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:49,239
Too will be released, while they
are still in pre production, still working

841
01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:53,600
on casting, so it's going to
be quite a while before we ever get

842
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,119
to that, and I would love
for it to be this year, but

843
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:00,560
I don't know for sure if it
will be coming this year or not.

844
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,920
The book is out, so the
kindle version or print version of the book

845
01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:12,439
is already available, but I do
think it's going to be several months,

846
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:19,079
if not even twenty twenty four before
we actually get the audio version. But

847
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,760
I know that the team has learned
a lot from their previous two releases,

848
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,239
and I have really high hopes and
expectations for Generations too, in terms of

849
01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:35,119
the production values and the casting,
and so I'm with you. I'm excited

850
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:39,239
for it, and it's going to
be a lot of fun when it does

851
01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:43,840
come. I'm definitely going to have
to re listen to Generations one in the

852
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,199
lead up to getting to Generations two, just so it can kind of flow

853
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,199
right into the next story. So
it's going to be a lot of fun.

854
01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:54,119
But so glad that you enjoyed it, And thank you so much for

855
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,800
sending in your feedback. Much appreciated, Sarah. And next up is an

856
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:03,720
from Blake, and Blake said,
what are your thoughts on having British actors

857
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:10,359
versus American actors doing a production with
British accents. I ask because Catherine Kellgren

858
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,119
did a convincing English accent in her
works for Focus on the Family Radio theater.

859
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,439
However, many of the US actors
that many other audio drama productions feature,

860
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:24,199
while talented and amazing actors, same
to struggle with the accent. What

861
01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:27,640
are your thoughts on this topic.
What are some audio dramas you know where

862
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:33,359
the American actors did a good English
accent? Well, not being British myself,

863
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:42,199
I don't always know when somebody is
absolutely one hundred percent nailing the British

864
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:46,279
accent or not. Sometimes I can
pick out moments where I do think they

865
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:54,000
are struggling with it, but I
don't always notice when they are mispronouncing things

866
01:15:54,039 --> 01:15:58,199
because it's not native for me.
I have listened to a ton of audio

867
01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:02,880
drama that is recorded by British speakers, so I know what the real thing

868
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:09,399
sounds like. But there are such
a variety of accents across that little tiny

869
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:15,479
island that there's all different variations,
and there are even some that kind of

870
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:21,399
mesh certain elements of different regional dialects
into one, and so for me to

871
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:27,359
know that they're nailing it. I
don't. I can't always tell that,

872
01:16:28,039 --> 01:16:30,880
so I don't know if I'm a
good judge of this. I think that

873
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:35,399
for the most part, lamp Eider
Theater and the Americans that they use for

874
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,680
some of these British characters, for
the most part, I think they do

875
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:44,239
a fairly good job. But you
know, I'm sure somebody from the UK

876
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:48,359
could listen to their accents and say, yeah, that's not great. But

877
01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:54,439
you know, I don't have a
problem with Americans playing British characters, or

878
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:59,439
British characters playing Americans like I mean, we've heard that in shows too,

879
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,640
And one that comes to mind is
in the Gahinty story, Captain Bailey's Air,

880
01:17:05,359 --> 01:17:12,640
a lot of those British actors played
American characters, and so we even

881
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:18,760
have instances where British actors play French
characters and they try to do a French

882
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,720
accent. Now, somebody who was
a native to France could probably pick apart

883
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:29,319
their accents. And yes, a
lot of these productions get accent coaches and

884
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:33,680
try to get these to be as
authentic as possible, but there's always the

885
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:39,319
chance and the possibility that some things
might not be perfect. Accents to me,

886
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:45,399
unless it is very very noticeable that
it is terrible, I don't mind.

887
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,479
It's not something that I think too
much about, so I don't know.

888
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:55,079
I don't have strong opinions on it
one way or the other. If

889
01:17:55,119 --> 01:17:58,439
they can pull it off, I'm
all for it. If they can get

890
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:04,640
it remotely close, then I'm cool
with it too. Now there is another

891
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,439
question besides just the accent, though, and this is another thing that I

892
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,640
was talking with some of the Audio
Drama Alliance members about recently, and that

893
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:19,720
is that many of the British actors
seem to have a little bit of a

894
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:28,600
different approach just to acting overall than
Americans do. And they seem to have

895
01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:35,199
us a little bit of an edge
over many American actors just in terms of

896
01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:41,840
their embodiment of character. And I
don't really know what that thing is or

897
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,920
how to put it into words,
but a lot of times I do seem

898
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:51,239
to elevate their performances a little bit
more. And I think that maybe that

899
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:58,960
a lot of them are trained in
Shakespearean acting, and they have done a

900
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:04,520
lot of theater. They have taken
a lot of time to really hone their

901
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:11,159
craft. And I'm not trying to
knock American actors at all, But there

902
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:15,920
is something. There's a there's just
a little something about these radio theater or

903
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:21,479
lamp ladder theater productions that are done
in London that just seems to have a

904
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:27,479
little bit more magic to their performance. Again, I'm not talking about the

905
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:33,039
accent here, just they're acting chops
for lack of a better term. So

906
01:19:33,119 --> 01:19:38,039
I don't really know what that is. If anybody else has any thoughts on

907
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,439
that, hey, I'd be happy
to hear what you think about it.

908
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,800
But again, in regards to the
accent, I don't have stronger opinions on

909
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,119
it either way. All right.
Our next email comes from Fad and he

910
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:53,399
says, Hello, Audio Theater Central. I wanted to reach out and was

911
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,880
hoping that you may be of some
help. Quite recently I reached out to

912
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,840
Paul McCusker regarding Focus on the Family
Radio theater. He told me the Focus

913
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,319
on the Family stopped producing the show
and that I should reach out to them

914
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,000
in regards to reviving the show.
I reached out to Focus on the Family

915
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:11,079
and expressed my desire to have them
revived Radio Theater, even going as far

916
01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:15,439
as to donate money to support future
adaptations. I was told by Focus that

917
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,319
they haven't produced a new show in
ten years. They would love to revive

918
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:21,760
the show, but were concerned that
they hadn't sold enough of their previous adaptations,

919
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:26,800
and Focus pulled funding on the Radio
Theater series and put it into other

920
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,119
areas. I was informed that the
audio drama team at Focus has submitted a

921
01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:34,119
list of ideas they would love to
do if Radio Theater were to be revived,

922
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,560
but they would need the funding and
blessing from Focus on the Family to

923
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:43,479
do these adaptations. I was hoping
with enough support and if enough people write

924
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,920
Focus on the Family, it will
show that we want this series to be

925
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,399
brought back. To try and show
Focus on the Family. How many people

926
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,920
are interested in bringing the series back. I created a petition on change dot

927
01:20:54,039 --> 01:20:57,079
org. I would love to get
the word out about this so that people

928
01:20:57,079 --> 01:21:00,720
can contact Focus on the Family and
express their desire to bring this series back.

929
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:06,880
Sincerely, fad So lots of thoughts
here. Yes, it has been

930
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,720
quite some time. I think this
year will be a right around ten years

931
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,079
since C. S. Lewis at
War was released. That was the last

932
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:20,159
production from Radio Theater. And yes
I know there are a ton of people

933
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:25,479
out there who would love to have
them back in production. It's something we've

934
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,760
talked about here on the show off
and on over the years, would love

935
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,000
to see that happen. I guess
we're putting the call out to the ATC

936
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:35,920
community here. There is a link
in the show notes to the change dot

937
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:41,479
org petition. Feel free to sign
that if you want to, though,

938
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:45,640
I would say that it can't hurt
to do that, but I think probably

939
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,760
the most effective thing would be for
you to contact Focus on the Family directly.

940
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:58,479
So if they are open to receiving
emails or contact from fans requesting them

941
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:03,000
to restart the series, then I
say, why not reach out and make

942
01:22:03,079 --> 01:22:08,199
your request known. Let them know
that you would want to see that come

943
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:12,520
back. I'm sure that they will
be tallying these up and if there is

944
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,840
enough support, it will be something
that they do consider. He also said

945
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:23,159
that I asked him a couple of
follow up questions regarding what are some of

946
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:27,600
his favorite radio theater shows, and
he said probably The Hiding Place, Lame

947
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,560
as a Rob and Been Her,
And he said also the Narnia ones too,

948
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:35,920
which are great, great selections of
course, but he also added that

949
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:40,680
he had asked Paul about doing an
adaptation of Pilgrim's Progress, and he said

950
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:43,920
that they had actually had plans to
do that but never got to it.

951
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,800
And then he said when he wrote
Focus about reviving the show, they said

952
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,880
that they had a list of titles
and Pilgrim's Progress was on that list.

953
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:59,199
And so this is not a new
topic. Many people have been wanting to

954
01:22:59,239 --> 01:23:01,960
see this. It sounds like Focus
is open to hearing from people. So

955
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:08,640
if you want to hear more on
radio theater, reach out and let Focus

956
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:14,119
know. Yes, I had heard
that before that they hadn't sales hadn't been

957
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,239
as well as they had hoped for
some of the previous adaptations, and that

958
01:23:17,319 --> 01:23:23,439
was why they had stopped making shows. So let them know, and then

959
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,520
go buy some more if you already
have them, give them away as gifts.

960
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,239
I guess I don't know, but
yeah, reach out to Focus.

961
01:23:30,319 --> 01:23:32,840
Let them know you want to see
this show. Come back link is in

962
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:38,119
the show notes to the change dot
org petition, and also in the show

963
01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:42,520
notes is a link to a post
on the Aio Update website. David Hilder

964
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,239
wrote a post over there about a
radio theater wish list that he had of

965
01:23:46,279 --> 01:23:54,000
some great pieces of literature and ideas
for future stories for radio theater, which

966
01:23:54,039 --> 01:23:58,479
is definitely worth a read. This
is a great topic and I would love

967
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,880
to see this happen too. Thank
you Thad for making an effort to bring

968
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:10,720
this issue to the forefront. Hopefully
something comes of it. And our last

969
01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:15,479
bit of feedback is a message from
Jeffrey. He says, has ATC considered

970
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:21,680
creating a quote billboard unquote for audio
dramas in pre production, something where studios

971
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:27,000
or media groups could share their possible
openings or needs, casting calls, sound

972
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:32,119
designers, composers, writers, etc. Great question, and no, we

973
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:38,680
have not done a public sort of
place for people to post things like that.

974
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,319
I have done a lot of that
kind of stuff behind the scenes,

975
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,039
just through email over the years.
I have connected a lot of different people.

976
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:51,720
I've connected writers with post production people, or with actors, or connected

977
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,880
actors with producers or you know.
I've done a lot of that kind of

978
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,560
networking behind the scenes. But we've
never had a place where people could just

979
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:05,520
post their jobs or casting calls or
anything like that. It is an interesting

980
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:10,840
idea. I would not be opposed
to it. Necessarily. I'm just not

981
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:15,239
quite sure what that would look like
now. Inside the Audio Drama Alliance,

982
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,960
that is something that we do have
there, but that is of course for

983
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:26,960
members only. So yeah, a
public billboard to use your term there.

984
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,920
If you have an idea of what
that might look like, how we could

985
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,159
implement that, I would be interested
in hearing that. If there are other

986
01:25:34,199 --> 01:25:38,680
producers out there who think this would
be something that would be helpful for them,

987
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:42,079
Yeah, let me know. I
think it's an interesting idea. Don't

988
01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:46,359
really know how we could implement that, so I'm open to thoughts from you

989
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,640
and Jeffrey. If you want to
follow up on that with additional ideas,

990
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:57,359
definitely let us know. Well that'll
do it for this episode. A whole

991
01:25:57,399 --> 01:26:01,840
lot of content in this episode,
and I really enjoyed answering your questions,

992
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:08,640
responding to your feedback, and I
thank you for sticking around. If you

993
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,079
would like to get in touch with
us, head over to Audio theater Central

994
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:15,479
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995
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,399
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996
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:25,840
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997
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:40,279
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998
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01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:13,119
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