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It was very expensive. Guys,
this is a gift. It's a it's

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an iou worth forty four billion dollars, so well, you know, uh

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frey, forty four billion would be
with that much anyway, that's a good

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one, so I might want to
hang onto that one. Yeah, hang

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on to that one. Okay,
that's a big one. I will treasure

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this gift. But it's seriously crazy
to us. We come into the Twitter

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Twitter headquarters. We were you know, banned from Twitter in March twenty twenty

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two. You restored us on a
bunch of other accounts in November twenty twenty

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two, and then now we're invited
and we get to come here and we

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weren't even allowed to go into our
account. You know, absolutely, it's

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like barbarians storming at the barbarians,
not really at the gate there through the

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gate and pullaging much. That's what
we were doing. We're in and we're

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pillaging the march. You're the bar
You're you're the barbarian. Yes, just

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making sure two of my barbaria and
friends. Okay, I want to ask

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about that. So the restoring of
accounts, Yes, when you came in,

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so you took over, you closed
the deal, There was the lawsuit,

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there was all that, There was
the drama. We were we were

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like riding a roller coaster wondering what
was actually going to happen, because we

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had no idea if you would ever
actually take over the company, if we

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would ever actually get out of Twitter
jail, because we had vowed to never

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delete that tweek right, So we
were watching and just kind of wondering,

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what's really happening. Um. Then
you finally take over and you go in

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on day one, what are the
conversations like, take us behind the scenes,

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Like what happened behind the scenes where
you're talking with the team, You're

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trying to figure out what to do
with the advertisers and all of that.

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What was the conversation behind the scene
that around were storing accounts? There are

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a few questions around wise king of
Sinkum, but where is the sink?

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Is the sink still here? Um? Security has its do really? Yeah

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it's here? Um yeah Um.
I'm still running into people who didn't don't

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Actually they asked me, why did
you wakens lovely with the sink? Because

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it us Yeah, thinking a punt
let that sink in, Um that couldn't

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help it. You know, I
felt like if I showed up with the

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sink, they'd have to let me
in, right because you can't help but

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let that sink in. It's impossible. It seems it seems like the perfect

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Halloween you know costume. Yeah,
if you want to presume you want to

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get into people's houses, Yeah,
that's hysterical. So you came in though,

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and you said bring back the battle
and be you bring back these accounts

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like and then there was like pushback, right, didn't you get pushed back

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internally? That's what was reported anyway? Just going off the way was in

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the news. Yeah. Um,
I mean it was chaos in the beginning.

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Um. I was trying to figure
out, you know, how to

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run this place, what was going
on? Um? And very difficult when

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the whole company works from home.
So you know, it's like who do

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you even um zoom with, you
know, right, Like, I don't

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know. It's like normally you could
walk around, introduce yourself to people and

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have common stations, but Twitter gone
to almost fully work from home, so

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this building was empty, um and
Twitter pulling around the world or empty,

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So it was just very difficul actually
just trying to understand where was going on.

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I'd say it like the analogy.
It would be like, I mean,

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teleported into a plane that's in a
nose dive with its engines on fire

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and the control stone work, and
you gotta take it out of the nose

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time. Yeah. Yeah, you
gotta connect reconnect the controls, you know,

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like who do what's what's the old
structure, what's the management team?

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Um? Because unlike literally the hour
one of the thing closing, I exited

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the top old people of the company, um, and then then a whole

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much people also quit. So it
was like, you know, organizational structure

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was like Swiss, like Swiss cheese
that you put in the microwave. Yeah,

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you know, it was like full
of hells and melted. How is

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your Twitter feed? You funny to
be better these days? What? Well?

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I only use the following tab because
to me, that's what I always

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wanted social media to be, was
just everybody I follow in order exactly the

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order that it's posted. So the
for you is more, you know,

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the algorithm driven stuff. Yeah,
but I think you try it the for

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you try it out, Yeah,
And I use it predominantly and I might

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time on the opposite insane because because
there's it's feeding me so much stuff,

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you know, like stuff I'm watching
like crazy fight scenes like no context humans

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or CCC video exactly, yes,
uncensored video. I'm getting drawn into these

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things, you know, CCTV stuff. Um, yeah, I think it's

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it's good. I mean, I'm
not. I'm seeing a mix of opinions

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too. I'm seeing people that I
disagree with pop up that I don't follow,

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which a lot of people object to. They don't want to see that.

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They only want to see people that
they that they agree with. Yeah,

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well, well, the system actually
does take into account your interactions.

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So it basically if somebody, if
you argue with someone else, it'll seem

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that you want you want, you
like arguing, which probably maybe someone secretly

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does actually like arguing. They don't
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like it. Um it's like that
Monty Plathon sketch, you know, have

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you ever seen that one where for
an argument here, for an argument,

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you accidentally goes into the insults room
abuse. Um so if if if if

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if, well, if one account
argument with another account, but augument will

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assume that that's what you want.
You want you want more of more arguments

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or more of that, you know, because you chose your time to spend

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your time that way. So it
will actually then show you content that that

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other content you might want to interact
with. UM. But I think that

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over time, the recommended for you
tweets should be extremely compelling. UM.

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I suspect um that you'd probably want
eighty twenty recommended versus following. It'll also

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put it, it'll the most compelling
tweets from your followers are also in for

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you. So so skip the boring
ones that people pretty much yeah, you

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can go right to the good stuff. I mean there's some casts that I

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follow that tweet twenty times a day
or more. UM, So it tends

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to fell up the following. UM. But at you know, you if

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you'd want, like say, the
best of the people that you follow should

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be in for you or something's wrong. Um. But the intend is to

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maximize unregretted user time. So that's
that's a that's I think the metric,

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that's the metric I've got the whole
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time. I mean so because I
mean frequently here someone said, tell me

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they spent a lot of time on
TikTok, but they kind of hate themselves

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afterwards. Um. And so that's
un called up you know, regretted user

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time. Um. And you know, so if we can, we wanted

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to be that you spent the time
on on x slash Twitter and you're glad

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you did, like you were informed
and entertained. Um. And I do

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I think get more laughs from Twitter
per day than everything else combined. Frankly,

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yeah, because everybody's moving turns algorithm, Facebook's algorithm, and YouTube's all

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algorithms driven TikTok, So what's Twitter
doing differently that's getting you that unregretted user

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time compared with these other apps.
Well, I guess it matters what content

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is on a system to be recommended
in the first place. Okay, so

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you know TikTok has a lot of
teen dance videos. Um. So classically

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it's a populous popula topic. Um. Twitter is more of you know,

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intellectual debates and you know, learning
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It's it's a much more a variety
of a variety show, but but includes

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you know, serious information um and
brand breaking news. UM. So you

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know it's what it matters that even
if you had identical. There are identical

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algorithms between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter
content is better or interesting in that way,

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you still prefer Twitter and and as
as you've seen, we've open sourced

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the algorithm and made at this point, I think well over one hundred changes

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based on user feedback. Um.
But how will we stay informed if NPR

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isn't there anymore? You know,
at any given point, I'm not sure

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if NPR is there or not.
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there until they said they were not
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I was with Jim Carrey when I
foundut Jim Carrey was leaving Twitter. I'm

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like, I didn't know Jim Carrey
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it's back. I don't know to
find out. I mean, we we're

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trying to apply the rule is consistently
at Twitter, so that you know.

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The NPR thing is like, well, UM, if we're going to call

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some media state affiliated, well,
there's plenty of meat organizations in the in

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the US that are or in the
West that are state affiliated. UM,

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so then we should apply the label
equally. UM. And then they get

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prey upset about that UM and said
that there will state affiliated implies that the

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state has editorial authority of an influence
over the content, and like, so

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you're saying you don't have that,
how self? Where are you? Um,

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you know, it's on their website. Well yeah, I mean there's

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there's they well, NPR are literally
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Said, I felt, you know, comment funding is essential to their

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operation, right, and so we
even changed it from state affiliated to state

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funded. So that's just literally a
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we could actually just look the same
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the label. But they're still they're
unhappy with that. Yeah, they're unhappy

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with that. It gives the wrong
impression, the true impression. Well,

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I mean I think they got to
pull their punches and critiquing the government at

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NPR. It's just a gas,
you know, based on their extreme dependence

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on government funding. I mean,
you don't generally buy the band that fees

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you. Let's real quick though,
back to the when you came into Twitter.

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Okay, so the plane is going
down and you and you're at the

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controls and trying to save it.
So you're doing all these things, but

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you also did want to restore banded
accounts. Yeah, and so like the

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trust and safety team and everybody was
where they were arguing with you about that,

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pushing back on that. Or was
it primarily advertisers who were giving you

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the most pressure and saying, if
you restore all these accounts, we're pulling

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our ads. What was happening there
with pressure you we're getting well, I

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mean it was just a totally coowdic
situation because they're still gonna run tells on

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SpaceX M while trying to figure out
anything about how Twitter runs. Um,

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uh you know where you know,
I actually exited the top four people in

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the first hour, and then there
were a ton of others that either got

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exited or quit yea. So I
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in the bus. Is the top
priority? Um. That Twitter codebase's very

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It's actually much more complex than you
think, and it's not something that just

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works, you know, it requires
a lot of carapeating. Um. And

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there were many people who are predicted
that the service would go down and would

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Twitter Twitter is not going to exist
after this weekend. There was a whole

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World Cup was going to kill it, right, because yeah, it was.

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It was gonna get crushed by the
World Cup. Number. Predictions that

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Twitter is about to die were ridiculous. I mean, well, can just

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go like almost particle right, Yeah, it's like but but it was still

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they didn't have They did kind of
have a point in that it wasn't too

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easy to keep things running. Um. There there were so many estary corners

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of the Twitter software and the system
operations that make it hard to you know,

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it's hard. It's hard to keep
running. It's not it's not I

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can ephasize that enough. It's not
a so like some app on the phone

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that just works. It's a super
complicated thing. Financially, it was a

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very tough situation because Twitter in a
normal year would do probably four and a

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half billion dollars in revenue four and
a half billion in cost. So it's

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a you know, it's they'd probably
lose a little bit of money because I

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you know, so I called a
really expensive nonprofit because Twitter is of its

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lifetime. I believe negative on profitability, like it's lost more money than it's

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made. Um. But with because
the high price the acquisition um which is

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very foolish, foolishly high on my
pob um, there's twelve and a half

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billion dollars a debt and debt so
I was saying, it's a billion and

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a half So. And then there's
a cyclic decline in advertising that seems to

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start maybe around May of this year, but it was pretty significant. That's

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what you saw. Facebook and Google
and others also do some layoffs as a

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result. Um. So there's a
cyclic decline in advertising, and then um,

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a pretty major pause in advertising where
advertisers weren't they just put their their

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campaigns on pause. Um. They
didn't definitively say no. I mean if

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in a few cases they did,
but mostly in a response to you taking

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over and passing free speech, they're
like, oh, we don't want free

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speech. Yes. Uh. Well, it's more like they are worried about

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something that would affect their brand.
I suppose, um, although it seems

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like sometimes they worry about the wrong
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They should be worried about some things, and they aren't and aren't worried

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about other things and should be.
Um. But nonetheless, there were a

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lot of the advertisers put put the
advertising on pause, kind of like see

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where things go. Um. And
that causes about a it's almost affective set

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of reduction in revenue immediately um so. So in rough terms, we're um

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during about negative three billion dollars a
year in cash flow and possibly trending to

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do worse than that, possibly four
or five. So how hard to tell

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where the bottom was? Um and
a billion dollars in the bank, so

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called roughly four months to live.
What were the options if you go?

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If you ran out like you would
have to continue to fund it, you'd

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have to seek funding from outside.
Yeah, I mean it's a limited you

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know, how much tells the stock
I can sell and I can't sell it

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all the time. I mean the
reason I saw stock in December last year

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was which I regret at this point, was because I wasn't sure how much

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money Twitter would need. I've thought, you know, I might just the

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you know, in October it was
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and we don't know where revenue is
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get the company to financial stability,
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natural stability, roughly not quite break
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least the planes in level flight.
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is in much better shape. Um. I think we've played more futures and

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capabilities in the last six months than
Twitter is down in the last six years.

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So with us twenty percent of the
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Do you do you feel like it
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you ever regret it and go,
why did I do this thing just to

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make a stand for free speech?
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and I think I wouldn't say that
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to um. Like, I think
it was still the right move to acquire

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Twitter, even at the outrageously high
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it's gonna turn out to be important. Well, the price wasn't just financial

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either. It's like, no,
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investors beside me and Twitter. Um, and I'm the majority on it.

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me do not suffer loss. So
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better than their original investment. But
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this is a hard way to get
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this uh a lot of pressure on
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do this with that on the platform, as you might imagine at any given

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point, someone you know, someone
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but I think it was it was
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they know pretty much all of the
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acting in unison and along with your
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do you find you know, actually, where do you find the truth?

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just did you see Obama's comments recently
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CBS where he was talking about how
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used to be, and so now
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having different realities and that's the thing
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Is like the big problem that we
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back to the glory days. Yeah, there was one narrative. The media

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was unified, three different channels.
I'll telling you this. So you disagree,

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you're telling us you disagree. Well, I haven't seen the full video,

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so it's possible there maybe some contextual
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us with that one. Yeah,
cur notes is being pretty good. Um

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yeah, I'm watching it closely to
make sure. Because the as community notes

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gains credibility, the the value of
gaming it increases. So um, we're

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going to make sure that it is
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the you may notice, but the
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notes is that a note is only
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who historically have different opinions. So
where to people who would normally disagree agree?

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say like one political point of view, it doesn't have to be political,

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but one point of view, and
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another political point of view, they
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brigade the thing with with one ideology. I think the value and community notes

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goes so far beyond just like fact
checking notes. It's actually entertaining when somebody

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gets noted. It's like it's bit's
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awesome. It is awesome. Yeah, the human value of some of the

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notes, yeah, um. And
I think it's when fact checkers get noted,

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it's like it's so ironic, you
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we have so much experience with fact
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Snopes all the time for our jokes, you know, but that was just

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one blue haired lady or something getting
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it's so much more powerful when it's, like you said, people that just

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agree, the community coming coming together
to fact checks something. And yeah,

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I mean the ones that I see
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rare to see a wrong one.
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get community noted, UM clearing me
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and and presidents of countries and whatnot. So I think once you get noted

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a few times here, it's an
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they're not used to it. People
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people that are on the left or
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they're not used to that kind of
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definitely comes as a surprise when they
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not sure, maybe three times.
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been community noted. I don't think
BABILMB hasn't been community not yet. I

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was wondering about that. If if
we're gonna get like marked like this was

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satire, if people believed it was
true or something like that and hasn't happened,

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so, I don't know. That
was the weird thing about the fact

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chicks people believe it. Sometimes they
can't tell if it's real. I can't

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blame them, so I can't or
some of these articles are I can't tell

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it. I mean, I can
tell that that doesn't have a bee logo

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on it. But but but the
actual text of the headline is indistinguishable from

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a ya you know piece. So
it's very very common at this point.

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people when when when someone says that
they you know, they make fun of

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people who think that satire is true. I'm like, I don't, you

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know, it's the real. The
real headlines are so satirical in nature they

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seem like a parody. So if
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yeah, the naturally is going to
happen. So you want to say,

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you know, like you see some
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is bad from free speech or so
you know, if there was like one

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headline to that effect, yeah,
yeah, it's very it's as a sentire,

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real real. It's like, um, you know what you New York

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Times had like critical thinking is bad
for our democracy or something. I remember

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that, Like, what are you
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of those. There's a lot of
them. But you want to see Twitter

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be a place where truth prevails through
debate, right, where people actually go

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back and forth, rather than you
having somebody from the top down deciding this

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is what's true and this is what
everybody needs to believe, and in lockstep

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unison putting that out there and silencing
and stamping out everybody else. Yes,

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we definitely want devotion narratives. That
doesn't mean they have to be um you

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know that that people need to get
get violent about it or anything. But

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I think you want to have marketplace
of ideas where um, people you know,

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have different viewpoints, they argue the
viewpoints and maybe some minds are changed

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along the way. Um, so
you know there's this, there's both isn't

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it's also is the it's the narrative
true? And who's choosing an narrative?

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Who's choosing a narrative is a bigger
deal than you know? Is the article?

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Is everything? The article accurate?
Because there's a lot of things you

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can write about on Earth, Why
I write about that thing? Yeah?

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So yeah, So the aspiration here
for X slash Twitter is to be I

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would call it the least the least
untruthful place on the Internet. Like we

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should acknowledge that there will be things
that are on true on the platform,

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but we'd like to be the least
untrue of any place. And people have

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a right to be wrong anyway.
Um, you know, but I think

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we're succeeding if if it's if Twitter
is the place where you can get the

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most accurate, the closest to the
truth, um, and different perspectives on

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the truth, to degree that to
agree that it's subjective, that's the that's

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the goal, pretty straightforward. And
Elon even thinks that he has the right

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to share his opinion. Yeah,
it has the audacity, which we found

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the audacity to share your own opinions. I was thinking the opposite in this.

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This is a reference to the interview
that you had recently with CNBC and

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and you were asked why you tweet
certain things? Why do you why do

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you share that publicly? Why do
you share widely? Why don't you why

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don't you keep it in the question? The sources Magneto. Yeah, sorry,

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Magneto. I should undersaid that it's
unfair to Magnetos. Unfair to Magneto

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exactly. My mind goes the opposite
direction. I'm like, what's in your

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unsent drafts? I want to I
want to know what you're holding back.

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We promise we won't publish this,
yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll turn

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the cameras on. Yeah, I
probably. There have been a few cases

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where you know, if this tweet, if I still want to send this

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tweet in the morning, yeah,
I will do so. Um. And

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there've been a few cases where I
should have done so. That would have

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saved a lot of grief. Um. So there was some truth that I,

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like a good friend of mine said, you know, it's not gonna

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suggest out of stuff tweeting, but
but you might want to consider saving it

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as a draft and seeing if you
want to tweet it in the morning.

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Yeah, that's good advice. That
should be a bible first. Yeah.

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I think like Lincoln did something where
he used to write these like angry letters

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to people, and then he came
to the conclusion that he really wasn't doing

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any good and so you'd write the
angry, angry letter and then see if

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you wanted to mail it the next
day. I believe that was and then

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he almost never mailed it. But
you don't write angry tweets, UM,

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angry once in a while, you
know, Well then sometimes that might tweets

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are seen as angry when they're not. Um. So it's difficult to convey

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tone, you know, sarcasm and
a Tweetum, we need that sarcasm font.

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That's a feature there. Yeah,
on Twitter, you see what is

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a sarcasm point? I don't know. We gotta we gotta make it up.

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It's like the SpongeBob. It's the
you know, the capital letters and

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the capital yet letter eything. Yea
make a sarcasm fun on Twitter and we

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can see. Okay, you seem
taken back by that question though, Like

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I'm just starting like, how would
you visually show that some of a sarcasm?

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Oh? Yeah, I don't know. Um, there's no way to

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do that. You need a disclaimer. Yeah, he's thinking about it now,

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he's calculated. Now it's a problem
he's gonna do. You can animate

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the fund, Yeah, in a
sarcastic way, sarcastic animation. Can't you

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tell? We've lost him now?
He's just trying to send this problem you

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call that animation. It's not a
sarcastic animation. Seeing a lot of people

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who are saying they want to put
their video on Twitter. Now, Tucker

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Carlson is going to do his show
on Twitter. Right? And that wasn't

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like a deal you worked out.
You said it wasn't. There's no deal

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at all. Um, And I
you recommended it to Don Lemon too.

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Did he respond, did he say
he's going to do it? I don't

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know. I actually haven't looked it
up, but I in general, I

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think it would be cool. Yeah. So um um, I mean he

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you know, we did talk and
he just asked me, like, if

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he does something on Twitter, will
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well, no, we you know, we believe in like the First

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Amendment. And it's like a moment
too before protecting the First Amendment. Um

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amen, exactly amen. Um.
So you just wanted to confirm that,

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like, you know, we wouldn't
sort of like suspend as account or or

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whatever. And I said, well, as slung as it's like your slung

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is a it's lawful um and uh, then then we will not just spend

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the account. So that was enough
for him to say, yeah, just

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what you want to confirm. You
want to confirm that that you know,

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it's the free speech. He wasn't
concerned about monetization. We want monetization,

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that's how can we make money.
I think I think I think that is

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actually in a pretty good financial position. I think he's not like, you

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know, struggling to pay the mortgage. Um. So um no. So

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I mean I did say like that
we've got the subscriptions thing and that we

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will be also sharing ad revenue with
creators. Um, kind of normal stuff

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really. Um. You know,
in order for someone to put their video

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on Twitter as well as say YouTube, then they need to at least,

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you know, make money on that, like equivalent amount of money or maybe

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more on Twitter ideally, Yeah,
because we make we make about twenty seven

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dollars a month on Facebook. Video
YouTube is only a little bit better.

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Are you serious? We don't make
much on Facebook. It's very little.

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Yeah. Basically it's really bad on
the monetization. Yeah, YouTube's a little

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bit better, but still not and
none of them nowhere near the number of

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views you're getting. You know,
you'll get millions of millions views, especially

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on these shorts videos, and they
throw pennies your way. So what is

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the plan for Twitter video monetization for
users? Um? Well, we have

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to have subscriptions, and I subscribe
to the video of course. UM,

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thank you, welcome. Can you
look at the camera and say, subscribe

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to the best subscribe to the Babylon
Beat you want to regret it? Um?

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So the interviews done, We got
what we needed. So we have

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subscriptions obviously. Um, we're also
going to be surfacing tweets that are subscription

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tweets where you see the first line
and we saw it already. Yeah yeah,

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So that that's going to be really
a big deal for growing subscriber based

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because people want to kind of see
like what is the tweet? You know.

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Um, so we'll keep like you
know, providing penalizing content that that

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is for subscribers only, you know. I think it'll take a moment before

408
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.319
users to get used to it.
But the the rate of growth of subscriptions

409
00:29:52.440 --> 00:30:00.359
is crazy, like, um yeah, I mean I've never this is the

410
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:07.400
fastest I've seen anything grow. It's
like wildfire. So I think it's gonna

411
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:12.200
be good. So the subscriptions,
and then there's share of advertising revenue,

412
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:19.839
and we just really need to complete
writing the software for figuring out like what

413
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:26.079
ads were associated with what content and
then figure out like, you know,

414
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:32.000
some reasonable revenue share. And from
the date that I said we would you

415
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:37.079
know, compensate creators, we will
backdated to that and said people check.

416
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:44.079
So with the advertisers, are the
advertisers that paused back for the most part,

417
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.279
are you continue to see problems with
him being concerned about your free speech

418
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.720
stance and the new hire that you
have coming in as CEO. Is she

419
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.319
going to be addressing some of those
issues and trying to work with advertisers to

420
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.319
make sure that they feel comfortable on
the platform. But then also, how

421
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.759
do you balance that with a commitment
to free speech? That's kind of yeah.

422
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.519
So, I mean I think it's
reasonable for an advertiser to decide what,

423
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.960
um what what what content they appear
next to? You know, um,

424
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.839
we'll make sure that that their ad
doesn't appear next to something controversial or

425
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.799
what are they whatever they consider controversial? Um? You know, so I

426
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.039
mean something is fairly obvious, Like
you don't want to say, um,

427
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:30.000
a kid's movie showing up next to
some racy content of some kind like you

428
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:36.599
know and IT'SFW stuff, um so, or or or you know, compassing

429
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:41.720
disney Land next to dead bodies in
Ukraine. You know, it's like that's

430
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:47.240
that's what it's It's reasonable to have
these adjacency controls, um. Just like

431
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.599
you know, advertisers could pick a
particular time of day to advertise if they're

432
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.279
going to advertise, you know,
up through I don't know where, if

433
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.200
it's eight or nine pm versus like
you know, midnight, but it's going

434
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:05.759
to be different. So yeah,
just we have we have those controls in

435
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.960
place for advertisers. UM. And
we said like, look, there's freedom

436
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.119
of speech, but not freedom of
reach necessarily. So it's like if somebody,

437
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.880
I mean, if you're careful what
that that doesn't become d topian.

438
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.119
But um, people can basically say
what they want to say. But if

439
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.240
if, if, if a lot
of verified accounts blag it as you know,

440
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:34.160
questionable content, then it will not
get amplified. So we're doing so

441
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.640
we need you need to make sure
this doesn't have bad effects. It's new

442
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.440
higher though there's been people you made
kind of both sides mad about it.

443
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.160
Right, You've got people on the
left room mad for their reasons. You

444
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.839
have people on the right room mad
for their reasons. You seem satisfied with

445
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.559
that outcome because it means that,
you know, if you've got people on

446
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.400
the fringes on both sides upset,
then you're doing something right. Right.

447
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:59.480
Yeah, But when it comes to
LGBTQ and Q and on siltaneously upset.

448
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.160
I was thinking that I think you
know, things go full circle. I'll

449
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:09.599
just lt Q and you'd probably get
me in trouble if you like, well,

450
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:17.039
probably will You are saying. You're
saying you want to speak your mind

451
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.160
even if it costs you something.
You want to be able to say what

452
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.400
you want, even if it costs
you something. You said that very emphatically

453
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.279
in that in that interview you just
did sure, and so that matters to

454
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:28.920
you a lot. And that in
so in a context where you've got like

455
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.519
a new CEO coming in, there's
going to be taking over, and you

456
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.839
want everybody else to have that same
freedom to be able to say what they

457
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.680
want, even if it costs them
something personally in their lives or whatever to

458
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.440
have that freedom. Um, it
would seem to me that the number one

459
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.759
thing you'd be looking for is someone
who's going to come in and be as

460
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:51.759
committed to free speech as you are. Um. That trump's even advertising revenue

461
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.960
in your view, if you're willing
to lose money to be able to personally

462
00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:00.400
speak freely, then yeah. It
was also lots of money for advertising money

463
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.960
because some advertisers got community noted right, um, and we wouldn't take the

464
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.639
community note down right. So it
lost forty million dollars in advertising because of

465
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:14.320
that, because a big ones pulled
out because a community notes and refusing to

466
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.920
pull community notes there was a willingness
to lose money. Yes, we literally

467
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:23.039
just lost forty million dollars. That's
it's not out approximation. Will things change

468
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.880
along those lines where there will there
be more willingness to compromise to keep the

469
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.280
revenue to keep coming in from these
big advertisers. Is that a concern of

470
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.079
yours? Um? No, I
think, Um, I think we've actually

471
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:42.480
largely addressed the concerns the advertisers.
Um. A lot of them like weren't

472
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.920
necessarily against me taking over Twitter.
They just weren't show what it would look

473
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.360
like. You know, is it
you know, is it are the sharks

474
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.920
in the water or what you know? Um? Yeah, is there going

475
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.719
to be rampant disinformation? Um?
Is it going to be some like massive

476
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:02.519
right we takeover? Or so they
were just like uncertain, Um, And

477
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:06.840
I think we're getting to the point
here where they're like, you know,

478
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:08.800
and a lot of them use Twitter
every day, and it's like it's actually,

479
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:13.119
obviously it's obviously not fooled with hate
speech, Like anyone who uses it

480
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.880
knows that. Well. The media
keeps trying to say that they keep publishing

481
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.760
these articles it's hate speeches on the
rise. Hates two thousand totally false.

482
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:24.800
Yeah, it's completely false. The
view counts are um down by a third

483
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.480
maybe half, and that's despite usage
of the you know, all time record

484
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.440
usage of Twitter. And how do
they define hate speech is a is a

485
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.199
big question mark. Well, it
turned out one of the ways that one

486
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.880
of the hate speech tones was literally
George Soros his name, it's just saying

487
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.800
it. We count it as a
hate speech thing. So I thought,

488
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.800
well, you know, maybe the
difference is a little broad. Yeah,

489
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:55.320
calling him Magneto it's considered hate.
You know, it's like it's not it's

490
00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:00.119
the comic book. You know,
it's like, let's relaxed to you knows,

491
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.639
not at the end of the world
here does that make you professor X?

492
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:12.639
Or who's professor X in this?
Uh? Well, do you know

493
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.400
a lot of small people. I
think we'll be fine. I think the

494
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:22.719
advertisers at this point are comfortable is
the fact that Twitter is going to be

495
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.800
you know, fairer and and and
not sort of a haven of hate type

496
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:32.280
of thing. Um. And they've
they've used it enough for themselves at this

497
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:37.119
point too, like they know that
from their usage it's it's actually fine.

498
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:44.280
Um, we've vastly reduced the amount
of spam and scam stuff that happens on

499
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:49.320
Twitter. Um, it's quite rare
at this point to see spammers whereas might

500
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.880
be used to be filled with them
before. I think we can. We're

501
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.719
not gonna make old advertisers happy,
but I think we'll make most of them

502
00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:00.679
happy. And um, they'd be
enough that are happy that to support the

503
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:07.400
you know this platform. But we're
not gonna compromise on free speech. Well,

504
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.960
you see Twitter as more than social
media. You know, you've got

505
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.960
X and everything, and yeah,
what is the future vision for them?

506
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.559
You know, some of that will
be fulfillment of the vision I had for

507
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:25.000
X dot com twenty four years ago, um, which is you know,

508
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:34.440
to be a normally comes thing financial
services provider. Um. And you know

509
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.519
that's actually an important part of free
and freedom as well. If if those

510
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:46.480
doing you know, the money exchange
or running the money system can stop people

511
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.159
who disagree with them politically, that's
a huge problem. I mean, so

512
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.159
that happened in Canada with the trucker
strike, where people are being like basically

513
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.960
financially ostracized from society or for just
protect you being a people's striking, Um,

514
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:07.000
and you know, I saw some
some strange things with with with PayPal

515
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:14.039
where they were like, um,
suspending accounts that they for what appeared to

516
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:19.159
be political reasons. And if you
saw any of that, yeah, um

517
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.480
so like yeah, like so that's
to freedom of information. That's but money

518
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:29.800
is a form of information. So
I think it's important that we have have

519
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:37.760
a within the within the bounds the
law that we enable freedom of um,

520
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.800
flow of money, which is form
of information. And you see that living

521
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.880
on Twitter. Eventually it's part of
X. Yeah. Yeah, I think

522
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.360
we need to broaden the branding.
Yeah, Like Twitter makes made sense as

523
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.000
a name. Um, you know, if people are standing, you know,

524
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:57.920
texts basically group text at one hundred
forty characters a piece between each other.

525
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.159
That's that's kind of a shoe thing, a tweet, you know,

526
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:07.400
not a long thing. Um.
By the point in which you've got not

527
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:14.360
just text, but pictures, video, live interaction, um, you know,

528
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:21.159
the full array of financial services,
um, a full array of communications,

529
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.280
encrypted communications, voice, video,
everything. Twitter I think is the

530
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:30.639
wrong branding for that. It was
I believe in descripted branding. So whereas

531
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:37.159
X is is kind of can X
commune anything, So X mark. You

532
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.800
know X marks the spot X is
where the treasure is xxx is. Why

533
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:54.840
the point is we're Christians that we
wouldn't know um x rated. But I

534
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.840
think, you know, in general, like goal here is like like,

535
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:05.280
uh, let's just make sure we
take the actions that strengthen the pillars of

536
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:12.199
democracy and further civilization. Um.
You know, we want to have a

537
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.800
future we can look forward to that
we're excited that we're we're excited about the

538
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:21.760
future, not that one we were
sad about it. So, and the

539
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.199
civilization is more fragile than people realize. If you study the rise and full

540
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.639
of civilizations in history, you know, when they're at the top, they

541
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.920
would think they could have a fall, but they always do eventually. Yeah,

542
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.239
every every civilization has a lifespan.
About how many years do you think

543
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.119
we got left? Well, I'm
seeing a lot of late stage civilization vibes

544
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:52.440
these days. Ely um Um,
I don't know, man, there's so

545
00:40:52.440 --> 00:41:02.639
many wild cards. I mean,
the short term we've got, um,

546
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.239
we're at the financial crisis probably some
economic thing, but whatever, those things

547
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.039
happen from time to time. Um. But we've got to you know,

548
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:22.360
some geological, geopolitical world wild cards
with Ukraine and Taiwan and uh and then

549
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:29.440
AI, which is you know called
does think it's called a singularity for a

550
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:34.280
reason, like because you don't know
what's going to happen, Like a black

551
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.119
hole. You go in the black
hole, what happens? I don't know.

552
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:45.599
We're on the we're on the singularity
AI singularity event horizon, circling the

553
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.960
black hole. Well, and does
AI concern you more than those other things

554
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:55.800
like geopolitical nuclear war or whatever?
And where does that involve on the scale

555
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:01.599
for you? I know you've you've
said some cautionary things about it, but

556
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.280
I don't know if you're like as
much of a dumer as some people are

557
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.000
about it. I I mean,
the good news about Russian Roulette is five

558
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:15.239
the barrels on a loaded that's encouraging. Yeah, that's good. Look on

559
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.079
the right side. Yeah. It
just seems like a lot of times people

560
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.679
that are in tech are pushing these
things forward without any guard rails or consideration,

561
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.320
you know, for what could go
wrong, despite all the cautionary tales.

562
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.800
Is that's what sci fi is all
about, you know, That's why

563
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.280
there should be regulation and stuff like
that, Right, But what does that

564
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.199
look like, how do you regulate
AI for example, Well, I think

565
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:45.239
you start off with an insight committee
that has you know, people that are

566
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:51.000
independent from the leading players, as
well as maybe some representatives representatives from the

567
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.960
leading players, and that's an inside
committee. The goal is simply to learn

568
00:42:54.039 --> 00:43:04.719
things um and then with industry and
proposed rules. That's basically how it's worked

569
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:14.039
for prudent drug or aircraft or cars. Yeah, so's when when there's something

570
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.639
that is a danger to the public. H there's some regulatory body too,

571
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.880
kind of like a referee make sure
companies don't cut corners stuff. When it

572
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.760
comes to just coming back to speech
real quick. In Twitter, I've often

573
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.360
wondered in our case with you,
you know, we had a situation where

574
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.800
this benevolent billionaire comes in and decides, I'm gonna make sure free speech exists

575
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.440
for people because there's no place where
they can speak freely right now. So

576
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.400
I'm gonna I'm gonna buy Twitter and
restore free speech on this platform. Great,

577
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.519
we're glad that you did that,
Thank you. But should we have

578
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.199
to rely on benevolent billionaires to solve
these problems for us? Or should there

579
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.480
be legal changes? Should there be
like right now, the law currently protects

580
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:59.119
us from government censorship obviously, right, Well, the First Amendment does that,

581
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.079
but it does and protect us from
private companies that want a muscle our

582
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.119
speech. So should there be legal
changes that prevent viewpoint discrimination into you?

583
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.360
Do you support laws like that?
Um? Are you aware of some of

584
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:17.000
the legal the current bills like in
different states that are very spills. I

585
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.480
mean, we have to be careful
that that the bill that is intended to

586
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.679
good do good does not pave the
road to help. So, um,

587
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.800
I think so. Something I think
would be very powerful is to say that

588
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:38.880
that all social media companies have to
open source their algorithms. Um, so

589
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:43.519
that if so, at least it's
known what they're suppressing and they can't secretly

590
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.719
suppress things. There's a massive amount
of secret suppression going on on Facebook,

591
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.519
Google, Instagram, massive it's just
not as off secret suppression. And there

592
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.559
was a Twitter and yeah, absolutely, but not anymore right right in puple

593
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.320
called shadow banning. Directly, it's
like there's nothing you can't there's nothing that

594
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:07.519
says that you're banned or but you're
you're, you're, you are effectively you

595
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.440
know, stuck in the basement.
Well, that would be a legal change.

596
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.920
That would be a law that requires
open source that if you're gonna censor,

597
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.960
you better do it transparently. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is that

598
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.519
people, it really doesn't take much
to sort of sense or something. So

599
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.039
there's a lot of sense ship that
goes on to Google that people don't realize

600
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.320
because all that needs to happen is
just move just move that length to page

601
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:32.000
five, right, you know.
I mean the thing about the little joke

602
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.880
about Google is like, what's the
best place to hide a dead body?

603
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.239
Well, the second page of Google
Social results, right, nobody ever looks

604
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:46.679
there. So if you just nudge
something to page even page two, it's

605
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:51.199
going to drop the visibility by one
hundred. But if you apply that to

606
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.280
the principle of freedom of speech but
not of reach, isn't that the same

607
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.679
thing? Is there a difference?
Especially? Yeah, that's why that's where

608
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.840
you're saying, there is you've got
to be careful how you handle that.

609
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.840
Yeah. Well, one of the
craziest things you do when you took over

610
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.519
Twitter was start releasing the Twitter files, which, yeah, like who takes

611
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:07.920
over a company and then says,
look, how horrible all this stuff?

612
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.840
What's going on We need to have
like truth and reconciliation here, you know,

613
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:15.360
So if we're not going to expose
the things that we're done wrong,

614
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.079
why should people believe us in the
future. So the you know, that's

615
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.559
why, like we're trying to be
as transparent as possible. So it's like,

616
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.679
don't take my word for it.
Literally look at the algorithm. You

617
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:30.280
should be able to recreate the results
that you see on Twitter with the you

618
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.360
know, using that algorithm. So
and we're trying to try to make sure

619
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:39.079
that that everything is broad to light
not just says no hidden layers or anything.

620
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.760
We just discovered a you know last
week hit like some hidden layer of

621
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:52.239
censorship that was written in twenty twelve, and like censorships maybe the wrong word.

622
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:57.760
It would it would basically suppress.
It had like a list of words

623
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.199
and any of those words some of
them were like, uh, like suck.

624
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:09.400
If you put suck just sc k. Actually even with other words it

625
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.800
um it gets massively de amplified.
And that was literally a code from like

626
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.639
twenty twelve. And we found about
We found this like where like um of

627
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:23.480
code last week it wasnting applied to
like all tweets. Wow, um so

628
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:29.880
there's uh, like the guy that's
bought a flight on starship in Japan is

629
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:38.719
um I. His name is his
Twitter handles you suck twenty twenty and he

630
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.159
was like, listen, they started
wrong with my account, you know,

631
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:52.840
yeah, and I'm sure enough it's
because his Twitter handle had suck in it.

632
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.760
So, um, you know,
it turned out there's there was about

633
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:02.400
a thousand words from some ancient list
that was we're twees who are being suppressed,

634
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.679
um, and then we just found
a list of URLs that are being

635
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:13.559
suppressed. Um. You know,
some of them aren't like no obviously renowned

636
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:17.159
scammer URLs, but but some of
them aren't like Babylon b dot com.

637
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:25.199
Um. So this is like it's
like an archeological dick. Frankly, Yeah,

638
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.159
you talk a lot about wokeness and
the woke mind virus, and all

639
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.079
that was is do you feel like
that's what was driving those kinds of decisions

640
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:37.880
here or yeah? Absolutely, So
we're we're it's like, you know,

641
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.760
around here, it's not about whether
you had the you know, had some

642
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.039
of the work kool aid. You're
swimming in the cool work kool aid.

643
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.239
It's like, you know, it's
like if fish doesn't see the water,

644
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.480
it's swimming in it, right,
it just seems normal, like if you're

645
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:58.079
in the cold, it's normal.
The things like there's actually so much material,

646
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.719
Like there's a god knows how many
lines of slack for example. Yeah,

647
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.960
um, this company ran on ran
on slack, So it's like one

648
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:13.599
massive group text situation. Um,
there's a lot of material. Um,

649
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.800
not that many emails, emails mostly
before people coming from outside, you know,

650
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.159
outside communications. And then there was
that weird government portal that destroyed everything

651
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:29.119
after two weeks, which it's not
illegal. Um, but yeah, I

652
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.440
thought it was amazing how you were
from day one basically handling customer service.

653
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.440
Yeah, you were like personally looking
at purports from people trying to dig into

654
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.840
things. Yeah, and that was
like around the clock for you for a

655
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:49.440
little I mean yeah. The sheer
layers like this is a term termacy of

656
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:57.880
bullshit basically, Um, so many
layers. Um. I mean really the

657
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.559
there needs to be a ground up
re right, Um, you know,

658
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.440
otherwise we're like going through like this
ghost mansion, you know, trying to

659
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.159
get the ghosts out one at a
time. Um, it's still finding ghosts

660
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:22.519
as recently as last week. Um
so. But but we are actually slimming

661
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.599
down the code base. We already
writing a lot of it. Um we

662
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:32.840
we the the main sort of home
timeline mixer was seven hundred, one hundred

663
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.320
thousand lines of code. Now it's
seventy thousand. So it's down manufactor from

664
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:43.360
ten um and does a better job
and is faster. Um So. And

665
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:45.360
that's the side of the business you're
going to stay involved in and personally invested

666
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:51.800
in the textile Yeah yeah, I
mean I'm setting the overall ground rules um

667
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.360
and like the constitution type of thing, which is very clearly free speech.

668
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:05.400
Um And and that will that is
that is not a revenue optimizing strategy.

669
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.920
So um. But we don't need
to make a ton of money with locome

670
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:16.960
backrupt. So. Um. That's
part of the reason for having some amount

671
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:22.760
of subscription revenue. It's not you
know, we respect the advertisers, but

672
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.119
we don't want to be too dependent
on them. Not go bankrupt. That's

673
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.360
the business. That's the end goal. Loco banckrupt. You know, hopefully

674
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.760
make at least some reason we'll return
for investors. Um. But it's not

675
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:42.039
like you know, it's it's not
like uh, just some sort of mercantile

676
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.519
optimization. So do you think it's
possible to run a free speech platform that

677
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:52.079
is profitable? We're gonna find out, so I think. So, I

678
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.079
mean, like I'm not sure,
Like you can definitely sell yourselves to the

679
00:51:55.119 --> 00:52:01.480
devil here and and increase revenue.
That's what should Yeah, So that you

680
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.039
know, that's and I think it
becomes tough act, especially for a publicly

681
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.840
traded company. Um, you can
be sued for not you know, taking

682
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:15.559
the actions that maximized profitability. So
um, you know, you know,

683
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.480
Jack was right that it was impossible
to reform as a public company because you

684
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.079
just get excoriated in the market and
have a zillion lawsuits. Um. Anyway,

685
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:30.360
So it's like, I'm hopefully platform
can be like I said, the

686
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:37.880
the least untrue quote closest to close
to to closest to true and complete you

687
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.360
know, the it's gonna be,
you know, hopefully the whole truth.

688
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.239
Probably not nothing but the truth,
because there'll be some things that aren't true,

689
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:50.480
but but the whole. But but
it diversit to be a diversity of

690
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:58.800
perspectives so and a diversity of narratives, so people you know, can decide

691
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.480
what they want to focus on and
be forced bad things. Also recommend that

692
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.480
Twitter. Twitter lists are actually pretty
great. You know, so and we're

693
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:13.320
we're now. Um it made it
easy to find, like uh, lists

694
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:20.199
created by experts on various subjects.
Um So, that's another way to stay,

695
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.840
you know, staying formed on on
any subject, whether it's sports or

696
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:29.360
politics or video games or whatever.
How worried are you about mastered on in

697
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:35.880
tribal Um? Well, once I
tried using them, I was like,

698
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:40.320
it's not going to be It's not
a threat. That was my conclusion.

699
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.960
Most importantly, you brought up video
games. Have you played the new Zelda

700
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.400
game yet? Is it? Is
it great? You know I've never played

701
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:55.960
a Zelda games, haven't. Um? I I only with where I've only

702
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:04.239
I played just PC games. Um
it's held one PC not legally Okay,

703
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:07.559
but you know Halo was the only
game that I ever played on a console.

704
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.360
Okay, what are you playing right
now? I'm actually looking for something

705
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:19.639
good to play. Um So.
I finished dead Space, which is the

706
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.159
dead Space remake is really good.
Yeah, I heard it was woke as

707
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:27.840
it woke the dead Space remake,
I would not not woke. Okay,

708
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.920
No, I mean it's it's especially
trying to make things as scary as possible.

709
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:42.559
It's like as it's maximizing beer.
Yeah, it's gruesome. I played

710
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.760
the original, I haven't played the
remake, so now it's a it's it's

711
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:52.800
gruesome. Yeah, I mean it's
it's a it's it's like it's night really

712
00:54:52.880 --> 00:55:00.000
the stuff of nightmares. Um,
yet, I prefer doing that than email

713
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:06.880
more slack. Are you in the
slack channels? Do you go in there?

714
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.480
I don't slack because there's just too
much, too much, Yeah,

715
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:14.800
exactly, it's like being in a
million group chats. Did space not as

716
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:22.639
terrifying as a group chat? Yeah? Better than email? The eld Elden

717
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:28.079
ring was really good. Did you
play right? He beat it? I

718
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.239
haven't. I haven't beaten again.
Yeah, I got a horse, but

719
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.840
I didn't get very It's a long
way to go after the horse. Say

720
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.440
the least. He played first person? You played Halo? See? Did

721
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:42.159
you ever play multiplayers? You just
the campaign? Well there's there's the reason,

722
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.000
one, which is, um,
I finished, you know, to

723
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.679
rag a little? I did.
I completed the campaign on legendary Wow,

724
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:58.760
all right, which is hard?
Thank you? I mean, you know,

725
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:05.840
uh, the last battle was really
difficult. But you don't go online

726
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.840
and play against random people on the
on the internet, just multiplayer like team

727
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:13.880
death match. Um no, well
I did. I did that first,

728
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:20.480
flit second with with a friend.
Um it's it's tough. So actually trying

729
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.079
to ask if you'll be his friend
on Xbox, I'm just wondering if every

730
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.960
now and then I'm maybe playing against
you under some I used to I used

731
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.639
to play a lot of video games, at a lot of competitive video games,

732
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:35.159
so way back in the day.
Um I, um, it's quite

733
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:40.239
I was quite competitive at Quake.
UM and my sort of team before I

734
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.280
was the second best guy in the
team. Um. We came second in

735
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:50.159
the first I would I think was
the first paid e games tournament in the

736
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.320
US. That's where you got your
money, your start. Yeah, I

737
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:57.079
think I think we're like three thousand
dollars. We need community notes. It

738
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.239
wasn't the Emerald Minds. It was
a Quake tournament. We need community notes

739
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:05.119
to fact check this this claim.
Get on it community. Yeah, it

740
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:09.400
was so yeah, we we were
actually we almost won. But the gay

741
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:15.239
guy who's the best on the team, Brandon Spikes, he ums, his

742
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:20.599
computer crashed so we came second.
Instead. We still gotta have money and

743
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:22.800
stuff. I've made money planing video
games. That's amazing. Yeah, I

744
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:29.199
had so. Yeah. Um,
these days are kind of like a campaign

745
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.960
with a with a good story.
Um, it's it's hard to match reflect

746
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.360
us with like, you know,
sixteen year olds. Yeah, there's gotta

747
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.320
be some strategy element to it.
They're always saying mean things about your mom

748
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:46.119
and stuff on there. It's kind
of um, yeah, I have some

749
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:51.239
praise to play Legal Legends. Oh
yeah, they're pretty mean. And those

750
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:55.920
communities, Yeah, there are toxic
they called toxic community. Yeah. League

751
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.719
is intense. Yeah. League is
a lifestyle Yeah, one of those lifestyle

752
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:06.320
games. Yeah. I think my
son Groffin put more time into League than

753
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.639
it doesn't get into his college applications. I mean, if you if he

754
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:14.079
was awake at like five in the
morning, it's like he's playing League.

755
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.800
So um, yeah, I'm kind
of looking for, you know, a

756
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:22.079
game, So take your mind off
thanks for half an hour or whatever.

757
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.599
Well, I'll try to come up
with some recommendations for you. The new

758
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.880
Jedi game I'm gonna I'm gonna get
that soon. I can't recommend it yet

759
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:31.960
because I haven't played. Well,
what what's the fun game for phones?

760
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:37.639
Cold Vampire Survivors? Oh, I'll
check that out. Yeah, that's good.

761
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:43.440
My recommendation. Well, what do
you do in what do you like

762
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.280
to watch? In terms of comedy
and entertainment? I know you share a

763
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:50.000
lot of memes and you know obviously
comments bad on b articles and stuff like

764
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.599
that. You commented what you tweeted
one time about how wokeness is destroying comedy

765
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:59.000
and how it was, how it
was, how well you can't write comedy

766
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.760
from a leftist play of wokeness because
there's no truth claim or the truth claim

767
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:07.760
was wrong. I mean, but
I mean, you know, hardly needs

768
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.599
to tell you guys. But um, the you know, the essence of

769
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:14.840
a lot of comedy is a revealed
truth, um, like a hidden truth

770
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:22.119
that people understand intuitively or explicitly.
Um. And uh, there's that,

771
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.199
there's that sort of moment of reveal, you know, kernel of truth,

772
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.840
of of of often unacknowledged truth.
And in that unacknowledged truth is the humor.

773
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:37.199
Um. So um, if you're
you know, premised on a lie,

774
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.760
you can no longer be funny because
there's no revealed truth. Um.

775
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:45.559
And this is Um, you know
why a lot you know, a lot

776
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:50.760
of people on the left have no
sense of human they're not funny. Um.

777
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:52.400
And if if there, if there's
so many no fly zones you know,

778
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:58.480
um that you have to you have
to avoid all the time, then

779
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:02.039
how do you what what? What
is there? What you like? There's

780
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:08.079
nothing left to make fun about,
you know? So um, Well,

781
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:12.800
Rogan was saying, like wokeness is
funny, Like a lot of the woke

782
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.960
ideas are shoutrageous, they are funny. And so when you're not allowed to

783
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:20.800
make fun of the funniest thing,
right, that's why sites like ours do

784
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:22.679
well. It's because we are willing
to do that. There's a lot of

785
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.639
people who are just holding back on
the things that are right for comedy.

786
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.039
Well, have you been to the
Mothership Club yet in Austin where he's I

787
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:35.599
know, no, I'd love to
go there. And um, he's like

788
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.960
he's trying to make it so that
it's you know, comedians can come their

789
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.320
cancel free environment, make the jokes
you're not supposed to make. Well,

790
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:45.480
if you see any comedies from times
past, I mean, they're they're so

791
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:52.559
sort of for important At this point, it's insane. Um. You know,

792
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.719
they're making fun of all sorts of
things that would be totally unacceptable these

793
01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:00.679
days. Um. That's why I
treat it once like just you know,

794
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.920
legalized comedy. You know. Yeah, um, if you keep you know,

795
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.360
saying that you can't make fun of
things, um or something's always punching

796
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:15.199
down you know, like, well, you're not gonna be anything left to

797
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:22.719
make humor. I don't think we
want to humorists for sure. Um.

798
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.519
This is it means the same thing
that you have with speech, where it's

799
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:29.920
like, you know, if only
the popular narrative is being promoted in a

800
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:34.559
stumber being challenged, then that's a
problem. That's a problem for it's a

801
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.679
problem for comedy too. So you
can't be funny just propping up the popular

802
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.159
narrative and trying to get people to
clap for you, like yeah, like

803
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.239
it's it's applause, it's not laughter. Yes, true clapped somebody called it.

804
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:50.639
Yeah, yeah, it's spreading seeing
some of the snuff it's from the

805
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:57.159
whose Correspondence Club what dinner you know, um, where finer is getting a

806
01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.480
lot of claps. But it was
like is it start cheering school or what

807
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:07.960
you know? A lot of applause, A lot of applause. Um,

808
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:15.480
you know, yeah, whoever stuff
clapping last is out of the You just

809
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:20.039
want someone normal to be president,
you said recently, someone normal, a

810
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.440
normal human being. I mean I
think so. Now. Now the thing

811
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:28.599
is that it just it just it
just contrary to my prediction of the most

812
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.599
entertaining outcome is the most likely.
Yeah, um, you maybe heard me

813
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:37.360
say that like this, The simplest
explanation is most likely. My friend Jona

814
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:43.039
has this, you know, his
theory is, the most ironic explanation is

815
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:47.039
most likely, and then my parent
is the most entertaining outcome is the most

816
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:52.800
likely as viewed from a third party
who's not in the show. So you

817
01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.519
could be watching a World to one
movie where people are getting blown to bits

818
01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:59.480
and you're just having a soda on
popcorn. You know, it's fine.

819
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:04.039
Um, it's rough of the people
getting blown up by cannon shells. Right.

820
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:07.760
Um, we're in there getting blown
up by cannon shells and whatever the

821
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.360
or or a very good thing happening. Um. But my theory is that

822
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.039
the more often than not, the
most entertaining outcome, as as though we

823
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:21.679
were an alien soap opera, is
it's the most likely. So if you

824
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:28.000
can say what is the most entertaining
outcome for the election next year, that's

825
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:34.000
probably what's going to happen. Is
that because God is a jokester? What

826
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.079
or because we're in a simulation,
because the simulation, I mean ratings man

827
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:43.320
just for the God is doing it
for the ratings. Well, I'm saying

828
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:50.519
that that's often the case. Um, the most entertaining outcome as viewed by

829
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:57.320
a third party, like it like
it's a alien soap oarpera is is the

830
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.159
the whole Twitter thing has been very
entertaining from the outside. Yeah, on

831
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:05.639
the inside it's been hell or it
hasn't been some hellish moments. Yeah yeah,

832
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:10.159
I've definitely been some hellish moment of
moments. Um. Yeah, so

833
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:12.559
i's been I say it's a rough
it's been a rough six months, but

834
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:17.280
at this point trending positively. It
wasn't easy, some a lot of open

835
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:23.679
hot surgery. Um, but things
seem to be you know, knock on

836
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:29.239
wood headed in a good direction and
your chief twit still right now, but

837
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:34.480
you hand that off when still figuring
that out, um, because Lenda's gotta

838
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:42.079
exit her obligations at NBC. So, um a month or so, I

839
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:46.719
suppose, um, but I you
know, I'll still be responsible for software

840
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:51.519
development and the core principles, the
you know, the constitution of the company

841
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:59.719
being um prete speech is Linda understands
that she supports that. Good. Yeah,

842
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:08.000
so she signed something like yeah,
yeah, yeah. I mean a

843
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.480
lot of things that they need to
get done for a company, are you

844
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:15.000
know, there's a lot of chores. It's not just things that need to

845
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:20.880
be done and legal, HR finance, you know, um, yeah,

846
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:28.480
solving interpersonal arguments that people have.
You know, there's a lot of sort

847
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.679
of just general management stuff that takes
It takes a lot of time. So

848
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:41.039
I'm hopefully I can handle that and
I will manage the software team. Well,

849
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:45.199
do you have any questions for us? Um, just you know,

850
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:51.719
cheers. I suppose cheers, man, cheers, Thank you for taking the

851
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:57.239
time. This is awesome. Well
you're welcome here. Yeah, it's pretty

852
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:01.079
crazy to go from Twitter jail too, sitting on Twitter HQ the barbarians boast

853
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:11.039
through the gate and having a drink
in the in the enemy palace, drinking

854
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:15.239
from the skulls of ours. What
is best in life? What is best

855
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.079
in life exactly Coudnel, the Barbarian
underrated