Made decision face sunny sum on I hada n. So what's up everybody.
It's our Thursday special guest episode and we have Patrick, Kicky and studio from
bad Tvo. Great to be here. That's early Monday morning. I want
to thank Do you guys have a name for your audience? We call ours
the little Batties. Oh really, that's cute, little batties. We call
ours the no getters, the no getters. I want to thank the no
getters. This is like the eleventh time I've been on this year and none
of you have talked smack about me in the Facebook because that would hurt my
feelings. I know, and I appreciate that. Everybody loves Patrick. Yeah,
thanks nice, right, it's good to be loved. That just heaps
a bunch of love on Pat for forty five minutes. Now, how long
ago was it that we that the I say, the four of us meaning
you, Dylan, Me and Lynette went to the reunion of Love is Blind.
That was probably about that was April of twenty twenty three, so that
was probably what is that five months ago? Right? Well? That's it?
Yeah, because Love is Blind comes at you fast and furious, doesn't
it by the way to spoiler alert for this episode. So if you don't
want to know anything, if you're not cut up on Love is Blind,
you may want to not listen because we're going to talk. Can we talk
some Golden Bachelor too? Are you guys watching that? Yes? I love
that Chess. I'm covering it with my partner Cecily on Rose Pricks on our
Patreon. Well we got to do that's a crossover then, yeah, well
we are loving it. I haven't watched The Bachelor in years, but I
love him Bachelor? Yeah, Gary? Can we can we start with the
Golden Bachelor? Yeah? Did you know that had the biggest debut of The
Bachelor in like five years, something like over five million people on the first
night watch that? So you'd hope you hope Mickey Mouse and Disney understand.
Also, it's one hour, right, Please learn from this? Yes,
learn from it. I have theories why it's a success, and I'm not
sure how if you guys think about it, it's obviously it's sweet. It's
kind of different. But I've said this on our recap of it. Why
you watch this and why this show is so popular for so many years?
Was you believed the people were authentic and they were here to find love right
right, and then Instagram is invented, and then that kind of has you
know, to play in this, and then people come on they're not authentic.
You kind of know the structure how it's going to work. You realize
they're going to break up. Three months after they're at the altar. One
of them is going to be on Dancing with the Stars and then they you
know, rinse and repeat and it's over and over again. When they decided
to cast older, the one thing I love about my older people or my
older friends is that they're more authentic because they don't give a fuck, right,
You don't give a fuck at two points in your life when you're a
four year old, when you were a toddler, you'll tell people their breath
smell and they're fat, ha ha. Who else does that? People older
than sixty tell you, ah right, and they have no problem with it.
So, just based on the authenticity of the casting, I just I'm
here for I love I love Gary. I'd like to know if he dated
after his wife had passed. I'm just curious of that because it's been six
years. They don't share that it's almost like this is the first time he's
decided to he did, he must have. I don't think his kids would
have set him up to be on a dating show if he'd never even put
his toe back in right. I think he probably dated a couple of people
and was like, I don't know, I'm not it's not going to meet
the person. And then they thought of like, well, what if you
had our dad's hot and he keeps himself in shape and he's and viral.
What if his kids knew he was viral? He's like, guys, I
can get it up on the right listen every morning, still wake it up
with. But yeah, I guess it's sustain in the ratings. Our numbers
are up doing a podcast about it, like it's just it's fun and it's
like moves really quick and you can kind of see how the episodes are put
together. They really couldn't edit anything out, like it just keeps moving,
unlike the two hour version of it, which sometimes you know by hour you're
an hour two and you're looking at your phone. Honestly, right, of
course I can't because I have to take notes on the Bachelor. But yes,
it drives me crazy. Every week. I'm like, I'm so bored,
this is so much filler. Did you do Charity season? Yes?
Who did she pick? And do we care? She picked? Oh my
god? Uh see that's what's about the show. Wow? Uh was Charity?
Oh my god? They I was shocked when they picked Charity. We
didn't cover that season. I kind of watched it every once in a while
if I was doing nothing, I just put it on the background. A
beautiful girl. They're all super nice, but why do they pick another kind
of just boring archetype because they they're puppet masters over there. They need to
control everything, and oh, you gotta bachelor. Even Siri doesn't know watch
the entire season. I loved by episode three they were trying to say no,
Bachelorette's back, and they were lying to us because clearly it wasn't.
And you're like, no, no, this is good. You just see
the guy with the weird earrings. No, this is really different. No
it's not. It's horrible. If Disney and Mickey Mouse are not already in
production with like three different versions of the Golden Bachelorette, Yes, yes,
the Golden Bachelor. I'd like to see the Golden bachelor. I don't know
if they could call it that. I'd like to see people in their fifties.
Me too, thank you, thank you, middle aged bachelor. I
want to be a bachelorette. Okay, Charity pick Dowton. Okay. Remember
kind of runner up was Joey. Who's the bachelor? Now? Oh?
Why bother? But I like Joey, all right, I'm here for Joey.
Is he a batch? What did you? He's a bachelor? Now?
He's cute. His dad is gay? Okay, gay dad? You
gotta love like it's getting a little more like inclusive, and you know,
it's getting a I mean, it's still freaking a Christian Midwest show, but
she just it's something about people in their twenties coming on the show and then
it's gonna be right, and it's too long. It's ridiculous, and it's
a lot of cooked stuff you gotta sit through, like gay. That's why
I stopped watching it for so long. I haven't seen it in years.
Even when they tried to go a little older, when they had Claire Crawley
and they're like, oh, she's almost forty, Like this is gonna be
crazy. But then all the guys were like twenty four exactly, and who
she pick a guy who's like twenty three. Yeah, she's married now,
by the way, I know, and having a baby. Yep. Yeah.
I just I wish they'd just take a year off doing the regular bachelor
bacherette. Let it just take a break from it and go down the road
of this golden Bachelor bacherette thing and let's have fun with that. But they're
not. I was shocked the guy had hearing aids. Like when I tuned
in, I don't know, I see the billboards before I watched it,
and I'm thinking, oh, he's like a George Clooney, He's like silver
Fox or whatever. But then I'm watching the first episode he's got his ear
his hearing age, Okay, So like wow. I was surprised by that
too. That because you remember, Steph, you've been covering this obviously,
like eight years. We've been watching them trying to recruit and cast this show
for four years. They were running like ads for oh really, yeah,
oh twenty nineteen, twenty twenty really, and then they stopped, and I
thought, oh, they just dispensed of that concept and then here we are.
Wow. But I was kind of shocked when they skewed that older seventy
two. I thought it they were going to sit somewhere around sixty. Yeah,
but it hasn't heard the show. They must know who their audience is,
at least with this. The only problem is like most of the women
are still hot, and some of the women are really like only a couple
of years older than me, which is just a it's an and very pretty,
like pretty gorgeous, you know, like they look like actresses who are
Now. I'm not saying that everybody has to be like majorly old, but
I'm just saying it. It is still about like who's the pretty, Like
there's still very beautiful women who have had a lot of work done, and
well, April's nuts, She's that's the therapist, right, that's the therapist
who is who was obsessed with Frankie Valley for her entire life and wrote a
book about it and Stocking girl. Oh yes, because he had sex with
her when she was like really young. Yeah, okay, it started out
as a very sad thing that yes, he took her virginity when she was
like a teenager, and then she had to ask for his phone number.
They left a hotel room, and he gave her his like manager's number.
And then but then she continued to like find him or go meet him on
tour and go like have sex with him in like a hotel room here and
there. They never dated, and he was married and then like divorced his
wife and then married somebody else. The whole time, he's like kind of
having sex with her on the side, and she's getting more and more like
obsessed with him, and she brought she she like did get married, but
trying to find somebody to like be a replacement for him. And then she
ended up leaving that guy and for the affair with Frankie Valley. Eventually,
many many years later, Frankie Valley was like, like enough, like stay
away from me, and she would continue to show up places and email him
and say like I'm going to tell people or whatever. And then at some
point she showed up at one of his gigs and he sent like security out
to like tell her to get out and stop emailing. This all covered book.
There's articles about it, but it no. She wrote a book about
like my affair, My year's long affair with Frankie Valley. Wow, so
yikes. I didn't hear about that. By the way, I did a
whole segment. I have my own show on our network called PMZ, in
which I basically just talk about whatever. But one of the things that I
found was rock stars in the sixties and seventies doing all that craziness. Why
craziness, I'm not going to minimize it, having sex with basically underage tess.
Stephen Tyler of Aerosmith was the king of that. At some point he
convinced parent like some girl's parents, that he should become not adopter, but
become the parent, adult figure that basically oversees her upbringing. And then there
was some problems because in that state, you couldn't have sex with someone who's
fourteen. So what do you do? You know, he's a big problem
solver, just had or move to a different sty Oh yeah, wow,
oh yeah. There's some crazy stories of Stephen Tyler. But back up one
second. You have another you have a show that's your It's on our Patreon.
I do a show that's just me, Like I do a segment call
what the hell ever happened to that guy? And just random people in our
past, like what I like that. This week, I'm doing the Pickup
Artist. Do you remember that show? Yes, yes, mystery what he's
up to? He's still around, but just fun things like that. And
yeah, if you want to gead on over to patreon dot com slash another
podcast network. There you go. But uh, yeah, Chuck Barry was
involved in I mean Frank Sinatra with uh what's her name? Zeppelin? Elvis
married Priscilla Priscilla when she was fourteen in Italy. It's crazy. So yeah,
boy, times different times, different for sure, different times for sure.
What was I gonna say about The Golden Bachelor? I lost my thought?
Oh okay, so I here was my front runners, Sandra seventy five.
She's hot. H I also like, who's the girl that Prince wrote
a song about but kind of didn't? Leslie the one who danced for him?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the one who danced and thought
and like was kind of towerking and stuff. Can you play d chance nocause
it's I thought her dancing was a little crazy. So they had this thing,
did you watch it? I didn't see that. Last they had a
talent show, which you gotta admire the fact that like they're not they're not
giving these women a break. They're just like you're going to be treated exactly
how it will make you do stand up comedy, like we don't give a
fuck. Like one of they almost killed that one girl with Gary in the
car. He's not from here. They have him driving down on the one
on one with no headlights. Yeah. Yeah. So so they made him
do a talent show and one of the women was would be super relatable to
me, and Lynette was like, I don't what do you have a talent?
So that, but a couple of the other ones are like, oh,
I have a talent. I could do all push ups, And then
this one was like, I used to dance with Prince right back. She
dated him. He wrote a song about her called Sexy Dancer, which is
not really a song. It sounds more like when you buy a Cassio keyboard,
you press the button says demo. Yeah, that's how horrible it is.
Sex danceabout for a second to hear it. It's it's not even a
song. It's and by the way, I think Prince lied to her,
you can technically tell every girl you're having sex with the dances. I wrote
a song about you, right. I don't want to take that away from
her. But but so she's a very intense likable but so she's she's immediately
like, oh, a talent competition. Yeah, I'm gonna pretty much clean
this up because I'm going to dance. But you know, I think it's
been a while since she was dancing like professionally on stage. So her dancing
was like how you would imagine somebody that's like really being extra rusty, but
also just like kind of like aggressive. We're going to fall out of her
face, that's how aggressive, very aggressive, shaking her ass like twerking,
like kind of seemingly she's trying to give him a lap dance. You could
tell that he wasn't like, oh this is seemcomfortable. Yeah. So then
there was the woman, the woman who was like, I don't know,
I don't really have a talent. She wrote a poem I want to cop
out. I loved it. I was like, you know what, that
is exactly what I would do. I loved it too. I felt like
you were talking to me, you know what, you need to give it
a little less inflection. He sounds a little more Ai and not kermit,
no kind of kermity, but like less Uh. I loved it. I
felt like you were talking to me, almost like he had like a producer
in his ear. Say yes, it sounds very automated, all right.
Can I one issue with this show though, and it kind of comes with
any age group, but more so I think with people that have extended families
and grandchildren. I think you know what I'm going to say, why do
you hate old people? I don't I love old I who is going to
leave their entire family and all their grandchildren to move to Indiana? Yeah,
that's a good question. That's a good question. It's it may just end
with like them kissing at the alder whoever he picks, and being like,
oh, and we're just really good friends. I think that's good. Well,
you know how he keeps saying he's into Ellen, Ellen, who's like
Roberta. You're watching me from Roberta. Of course their name is Roberta.
Yeah, of course, of course that was her best friend that had passed,
right, Okay, but wanted her to be on her best friend who
was still with us when she was taping the show, but now she passed.
It's sad. It's so sad. But I think that he really likes
her as a friend, right, he does not want to have sex with
her. I think he wanted to have sex with Joan who left. Oh,
but she might come back. I don't know. And I think there
should be no rules if Joan wants just if you're not watching the show.
A contestant had to leave because her daughter was giving birth, and it was
she's already given birth, but I think she was like not healing that well
and wanted her mom right. So mom left as she's sure she Joan just
wanted to leave that. This is my theory. My theory is that they
go on this one on one and I think he was super into her,
like a lot, a lot a lot into her. She's only sixty,
right, I love on this show like sixty is like she's only sixty.
She's a baby, She's a baby, she's a newborn baby for this franchise,
for this show. And he was really into it. And I think
she got a little freaked out, like uh oh, he's this is for
real, for real, and he likes me and he may pick me,
and I am, I don't want this, yes, And I think she
might have been like, Okay, I'm gonna I gotta get off this show
and I don't want to say, I think you like me too much.
That's what I think happened. I don't see his daughter. He's only gonna
be there. She's only gonna Mom is only going to be there for like
another few weeks at the most. If I'm the daughter, even though I
just had a baby or whatever, I feel like I would be like,
no, Mom, absolutely not, Like this is your guy, finish this
out. I'll see you like freaking hire a. Yeah, Dola, And
if you remember their date that they had, she had told us, you
know, when they do their interviews or whatever, that this was the first
time that she decided that she could be selfish and do something that she wants
to do right, and then the very next day she's on a plane for
Yeah. Yeah, I like that theory a lot. Speaking of sex,
though, Look, can we take a quick break and then talk about sex?
Okay? Speaking of sex, okay? Does Disney have to get extra
insurance for these fantasy rooms? I mean, my mom tripped over her dog
and was in a hospital for threeears. I can't imagine a fantasy suite.
What's going on there? And you know, you break a hip in the
dark, yeah, and fall over when he's getting out of bed and like,
yeah, he tripped over the three bottles of pinot. No one's getting
pregnant. No one's getting pregnant. No, that's true. They don't need
to put condoms in the fantasy. Do they do fantasy suites? I think
they do. These people are barely kissing right, Oh my god. We
when we get to remind me when we're talking about Love is Blind to talk
about JP's kissing style, Well, that's because he's like a jackhammer. He's
like a facial jackhammer. That's because he wants to kiss guys. Oh,
is that That's what I want to know? You move into Love is Blind?
Yet? Sure? We still sure? I'm good to go with that.
I just watched the reunion last night, which shockingly I found entertaining.
I just know I was shocked how entertained I was. They spilled quite a
bit of tea. Yeah, now do you know all the tea about Renee
and Carlton and what happened there and Carlton? Okay, so if Love is
Blind, people, I know there was an extra couple. Renee is the
one who claimed that she was assaulted. No, we never saw her.
Oh is Renee the little blonde. Correct, Okay, she So if you
watch Love is Blind and you haven't been on the reddits or whatever, you
may be shocked to know that there was another couple that filmed two more that
filmed entire journeys the resort, getting up on the altar, living with each
other, and Love is Blind decided they'd completely extract them out of this why
some different reasons. So Love is Blind I think is going to be one
of the first reality shows to start to go down in the sense that it's
going to be sued into the ground based on participants saying how manipulated they were
during the process. Really, some of the claims are obviously there's one sexual
assault because during these pods and then meeting one participant felt assaulted by another cast
member another one in the pods, right, No, when they meant out,
I think when they finally met each other when they were filming out of
the pods, because they would have obviously had to have been like in the
resort. Yeahs or I call these people the barbecue people. They're the people
that never actually coupled up. They just you see them in the background a
bit. They act as kind of ancillary friends, but they're never you know,
they're not in the forefront of a season. But so there's that.
I just there's a lot going on because in the heyday of reality TV,
I mean there was a lot of boundaries crossed. One. For example,
we covered Flavor of Love and Rock of Love, and we are learning now
that Brent Michael's in that production company are going around the world reselling that show
unedited. So these girls that signed up to be on Rock of Love in
two thousand and seven, they signed something that we own your image and whatever,
now can see themselves completely nude. Wow, And so they're starting to
they're going to sue that production company. Wow. One of the main cast
members, I think she came in second place. Her name was Heather on
season one of Rock of Love. She's kind of heading it up with an
attorney because I was shocked when we were going to cover it and I found
the series because you got to buy it and I'm watching it and everyone's naked
and people are I mean, this is people are dropping n bombs. It
is absolutely insane crazy. Yeah, So it's uh, I think it's a
good and a bad thing because producers can be pretty manipulative. But at the
same time, you could like cleanse these reality shows so much that they're no
longer interesting or fun to watch or real or real. Right, yeah,
so that's what's happening with loves Blind. But wow, two couples huh yeah,
but can we talk about that Nick and Danielle from season three? I
know, And it's so annoying because I understand some of the people's sewing.
He is claiming. Okay, so Nick and Danielle, do you remember them?
Not really? I called them the Bickerson's. All they did was bicker.
She loved to wear halloween costumes during the middle of the week. That's
how you could probably remember her. Like he'd come home and she just bought
something on Amazon and she's wearing a hot dog costume hot and she wanted to
like dance on tables. She was, Oh, yeah, they're not going
to control now, I know. And yeah, so when they were at
but she was I guess the technical term would be like cuckoo. She was,
Yeah, So she was very emotional, right, and Nick was like,
I'm sorry, what is my phone keep ringing with scam calls? I
have it all day long? Turn it off? I know, I keep
Okay, so when there there was they were at the resort and there was
going to be some she was having like a meltdown because she was feeling insecure.
She claims that she was having a panic attack or she was having it.
But she was telling him, I want you to go. I want
you to go to the barbecue anyway or the thing, and he's like are
you sure? Are you sure? Are you sure? And she's like,
yes, please please go. He's trying to claim now that they made him
leave or something. Yeah, the producers ushered him out. Said she's fine,
you know, just go and he's like, no, I should stay
with my wife. Is basically he's alleging of how manipulated cast members are,
right, But let me say this, So she says that she wanted to
leave because she's claiming that she was just feeling super insecure and it was really
triggering a lot of insecurity and and if you watch it back, like he
wasn't very nice to her at all the whole time. He was like very
talk down to her the whole time. He seemed always annoyed by her,
and then that made her more insecure. But anyway, she claims that she
wanted to leave and he says that he was going to leave with her.
That's what he says, but that the producers told them, you guys,
don't leave because we are giving you the best edit. You guys are like
the Lauren and Cameron. So those were the two that got married. He's
one beautiful black girl and Robot. Yes, I literally just watched last night
the beginning of that season and saw them get married and stuff. So they
were like, you guys are getting the Lauren and Cameron treatment and you know,
and so they were like, oh, well, if we're gonna look,
really, I guess if we're getting that treatment. So what I'm saying
is like, that's on them. You play the game like you think the
reason you're gonna stay, So you weren't that upset. You're like, I'm
gonna leave, but oh, we're gonna be we might be stars, we
might get a really big social following. Well I'm sorry, but you can't
turn around later and just go we were abused. Yeah. And also his
he did some TikTok where he's making all the claims, one of which is,
if you break this down to me, I'm working for this company.
I made seven dollars and thirty cents an hour. Like he's claiming he can't
get a job, he can't work, so he's basically like threatening that he
might be homeless because of and blaming. Love is blind. How about get
a job? Yeah, and also give it about six months, and no
one's going to know who you are honestly with below Deck people. There are
people that I have conversations with that I don't know. And I realized I
watched them on sixteen episodes, but it had been eight months. I completely
washed them out of my memory. Yeah, so, neighbor, I keep
telling you this, I'm telling you this on there. My neighbor is the
casting director for Below Deck. I told you she would do your show.
I gave you her phone number. I forgive me. I've been so busy,
but I would love to exchange that. I asked her. I saw
her walking her dog the other day. Yeah, my friend ever ever contact
you? And she's like, nope. I said, you got to go
on my friend's podcast. They do a podcast about below Deck. She's like,
sure, I'd be happy to I would love that number again. I
dropped the ball. I know, you know we actually now we have with
that show. We have like a waiting list for people that are coming in,
like it's people want to come in that felt like they got burned on
their season. So we get hit up all the time like, Hey,
can I come on and share my life about how I was manipulated on a
reality TV show? Are they part of the whole Bethany movement? I think
the Bravo. I think that the groundswell of that is kind of is happening,
and I think that might have been something that caused it. We have
Bravo breathing down our throat now with kind of they'll like they request it.
If anybody reaches out to us, can we let them know? So I
think they can go over and, oh really hit them on the hand with
a stick and say you ain't talking. Wow, that's interesting. Bravo's better
than a lot of other networks I've heard, but they try and control people.
They try and control the edit and narrative. Go ahead, what were
we going to say? I was just gonna say, can't we need to
still talk about love is blind? Though? Of course, like what happened?
Yeah, what happened? Oh? All right, so this is the
worst season ever and I want to hear this tea that you have. Oh
okay, Well, firstly, the first one is I had someone reach out
in good authority that knows JP personally, and he's been telling friends that he's
actually bisexual for a number of years. But the allegedly is all alleged.
But apparently he is more leans, more towards guys than girls, despite claiming
he's by I can see that. I'm tell you that. I am shocked
though, that he would even be open about that with his friends, since
he seems to be very staunch and cut off conservative conservative. I mean,
anybody that wears American flags at every single day of their own lives can all
over. Well that's but if he's then why is he telling all his friends
like, oh, I like that. I can't imagine he would. He
seems like he would be a very serious, closeted type. Yeah, he
was one of the weirder ones because I joked about it when we recap that
episode, like, can you imagine like production calling Nick and Vanessa. Of
course they're out at like a bar or something eleven They're like, hey,
boss, we got one of them. He's not talking anymore. Now we
got a guy here who stopped literally stopped talking. Okay, so should we
keep filming them because what he did to her was so mean? Yes,
gaslighting, and so many people on Reddit. I do look at Reddit a
lot read all this stuff into it where they're like, no, she wasn't
into him, because you know it because she said shed his teeth and she
was the one who pulled away first, and that's why he pulled away.
And I've responded to some of these people. I'm like, he literally told
her no a suit. As soon as I saw you, it was a
turn off. I wasn't into it, and that's why I kind of shut
down. And at least on the reunion we got confirmed, like right,
he was saying, yeah, it was me. I wasn't into it.
I didn't like her as soon as I saw her. I thought I thought
it was she was faky looking and whatever. I mean, she's gorgeous.
Yeah, I think she was one of the prettiest. She looks like a
model. And dare I say, I think, by the way, horrible
casting this season. Shame on you. Love is blind. You got a
lot riding on this and I looked at you know kind of how the search
basically what love Netflix shows you when you your landing page. Love is Blind
For me, I've been watching it for four seasons. It should be number
one for me, But it was so low ranked because I think people gave
up on this season so early. It wasn't trending as much as it typically
would. So I hope they learned their lesson, Like how dare you give
us just two couples? I know that's what I was thinking, Like,
what's just two couples? So think about the reality shows that you watch,
Ninety Day Fiance or I don't know if you guys watched Love after lock Up.
They do hour and a half or two hour episodes per week. The
reason it works is they're following nine couples. You have little five minute vignettes
and then you move on and it kind of keeps you, you know,
interested with this. I was not held spellbound by watching Milton right. I
was at the beginning though, well just because it was such an odd matchup.
But then when you realize Lydia would literally say yes to the Golden State
Killer if he had got down among right. She was that desperate to lock
it down. I think, yeah, it wasn't true what Jay said about
her, like about you know, I don't think he's the liar. Oh
well he is. He's a controlling he seems. Yeah, he is a
controlling dick and condescending. Yeah, and didn't even have the guts to come
on the reunion right to defend himself. Any girl that dates just do not
date that guy. He needs to tell too. When the guys don't like
the one guy. You know, most guys just hang out, they get
together, they like each other. You know, the guys that were on
the stage last night at the reunion seemed like they pretty much liked each other
except for the pretty boy or whatever. But but yeah, it just seems
like they didn't like after and it's like there's something there. There's He's a
dick. He wanted to be in control at all times, all time.
Anytime he felt that the narrative that he lost, the narrative that they were
anybody who's feeling bad for anybody else. He turned on them. As soon
as she said yeah, I've cheated. He immediately you could see his whole
affect change. She was like, oh, this makes me look bad.
I look like a sucker being with somebody who said they cheated. So now
I need to be an asshole. Then as soon as he lost control again
because she was like, well fuck you, then he was like, well
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute,
I'm sorry about that. Can we talk? Can we talk? And
by the way, having talk, having a talk with him means you you're
supposed to keep your mouth shut for ten minutes and let him talk down to
you. That's a conversation with you. Y yeah. Yeah. Then when
they met after after she left, right after she left the uh they went
to the even get to the resort. After she left the pods, they
go to the restaurant she's he they meet up. He doesn't like her,
he tells her, I don't like He says later, I didn't like her.
I didn't she wasn't my tie. So we found out tonight or the
reunion, right, but I had already read that. It's like some spoiler
stuff about that, right, But he claimed that they after they met,
he says on camera, yeah, it's not going to work between us.
Too late. You left. That made me look bad. But then apparently
behind the scenes, which we got confirmation of on the reunion, he was
like, yeah, yeah, but by the way, I still want to
like let's date a little bit. He claimed that they kissed that day after
He's like, well what he said? He was on social media saying,
well, what you didn't see was that, no, we started dating.
After that. We'll show up to the reunion and and clear it up.
Then he didn't exactly right. Yeah, So casting is so crucial to this,
which is shocking that they just whiffed on it because think about the setup.
It's so fun. The first couple episodes are always just kind of getting
to know the cast members. You know, hear the insanity in those pods
of people falling in love after you know, a total of four hours with
each other. Then they send him to a resort and that's always fun because
you get to see each other. I mean, it's just the structure of
the show is genius. Then they live together and then you get all the
hey, you know, oh that's what she looks like. And then of
course the wedding's the drama of lead up. It is so hard to screw
this up, and yet they did. They were able to screw it up.
Why they cut Renee and Carlton up? I did they? So there's
She was on Kate Casey Show by the way. So she's singing like a
canary, right, so she's breaking all the rules. She So there were
a lot of claims that she came in and she was just fake and trying
to be on TV. She clears that up two sides every story. This
was actually filmed, by the way, do you know how long ago this
was filmed? I think they said it a year and a half. So
this was March twenty twenty one that they were filming this. Wow, And
so a year and a half passed, And so she had said because she's
married now, and she had said, no, no, no, I
was way done filming before I met the guy that I'm married to now.
But she caught a lot of shit for that because it made it look like
she was married immediately after the show. And then there's something about Carlton,
who if you do, you know who Carlton is. He's the big kind
of looks like a jack. Yeah. Allegedly he'd threatened production that his mental
health was not stable and if they aired his footage, he it wasn't going
to go well, oh yeah, his mental health, and I think the
producers decided imagine, by the way, we're hearing about lawsuits. Now,
I assume these things started or the threats right a year ago. So as
they're editing this season, they're like, I wonder if they were thinking,
like, let's just bury our losses here and just we have to have something.
I personally would have just scrapped this season and say we don't have enough
participants. Let's yeah, but it still did fine. I think, yeah,
but you hurt your you hurt your brand. A lot of us watched
it. I don't think they did hurt their brand. Yeah, it's an
experiment like so that they're playing with though, So imagine so if you're going
to stand here and say this is an experiment and all of it is true
to itself, and then we start hearing that the producers are tinkering with it,
and case in point, producers tell U and Lydia to keep it a
wrap day. Why did you do that? Let it play out like you
are now affecting the process. I don't know that I disagree with that,
though, because if if first of all, they both knew that the other
one was going to be there, she knew that he was going to be
there, it was clear that she was lying during the reunion that I mean,
she wasn't really lying, but when she was very stuttering, like I
mean, did I know? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah it possibly.
We talked about how we've both been at casting. Did I have absolute
confirmation? No, she freaking knew it. That's why a Leiah was like,
dude, you freaking knew that he was going to be there? Come
on, And she was like, I mean not one hundred percent, I
was ninety nine percent sure? Okay? Did he know that she was going
to be there? They said that they had had a short, like one
or two sentence conversation about oh, hey, I'm looking at this, and
that was the extent of it. But I don't buy it. I mean,
it was only a couple of months before that they just slept with each
other. I didn't even see the reunion, but the way that they acted
when they found out each other was in the pods. I saw that.
I go, oh, bullshit, Oh this looks this this theory you're pretending?
Yeah right, yeah, I think that I and you don't recognize her
voice, like come on with her accent and her name is Lydia, can
I say something so is Oh? And I I've said this on our podcast.
A lot of these people are absolutely horrible people, I mean, really
unlikable peoplept for Milton, except for Milton, Milton, Lydia, let's talk
about Milton Shent no no, no, when uh where was going Lydia?
Oh yeah, Lydia. Okay, So let's analyze her relationship with the Leah.
I don't think she's gotten scorched enough for how insane that thank you.
I was going to bring that up crazy out of like a movie. Look,
it's tough because you know, as us as viewers, you can go,
I do this, I do that. I'd like to believe if this
happened to me. The one thing I do is stay clear of her so
that you're not affecting her. But she was completely absorbed in that relationship.
You like me, You're like, I see myself and you because smothering her.
When they played that back, I was I was like, oh my
god. And then she's like he has a nice call water It's dope,
I mean, and then doggy style right what okay? And all? But
like I love you, girl, I love you. Like when girls get
like that, I'm like, what, especially when you just met Aliah Leaving
I think was less about oocha, and more about get me out of this
crazy because this is insane. Yeah, hold on, we have to take
another break, but we'll be right back. Yeah, yeah, I listen.
Something was But getting back to this point, which is I can imagine
that the producers were kept in the dark. I'm sure that uch neither Uch
nor Lydia told them, Oh, we're going to know somebody who's there.
So then when they were both there and they had to the well, the
producers were listening. I doubt that either Uch or Lydia went to producers.
I bet you Lydia was like, oh, it's me, And if he
freaking knew, he was totally lying when he was like, uh, what
who is this? I don't recognize your voice. I think he was going
to try to play it off, and I think she was, you know,
she's a little crazy. I think she was like, Oh, no,
we're not gonna you know me, maybe we're meant to be okay.
Then the producers call them in. This is what I think happened, and
they're like, we're not scrapping our whole thing, Like if you guys should
go home. I think that's what happened. I think the producers were like,
then get the fuck out, because we suspect that maybe you know.
But meanwhile, I think each of them had already kind of met a few
people and maybe saw themselves having connections. So I think they were like,
no, no, no, let us stay, we'll be good, like
we won't tell anybody. I don't. And now they're like, oh,
well you said we couldn't tell anybody. We really wanted to tell people.
I agree with production that I'd be like, well, that would be just
weird if they went day one and like went into the loungerry and was oh
I know this person, but then look what happened. Ultimately, no matter
what, it was going to mess with the quote unquote experiment. But I
don't think the producers. I think they just were like, okay, well,
don't mess it up, at least at the beginning. I mean eventually
they let them tell, right, But then it went and got really weird.
Right, well, that's the thing. I think they had a very
weird contestant with her, and I'm sure they didn't then. As an ex
producer, I really think that it's like a call. You can't these people.
Producers of reality shows are just like anybody else a lot of these things
they don't see coming. And I'm sure they were like, what are we
going to scrap the whole thing because of these two? Or they probably should
have just sent them home. Okay, Can I talk about casting for a
second because sorry to keep going back to this, but just absolutely horrible casting.
And by the way, how small is Houston that you can't find you
know what I mean? People are on this show. It's generally fifteen people,
right, you can't find fifteen people that have never met in Houston.
I know so, but they probably lied about having met each other. Well
I totally get that. But look, I did a reality show like ten
years ago that it was only got a pilot. The background check that they
did on me, I had to sign a phone book and fill out this
application about everything my life dating back to like being two years old to kind
of figure me out and make sure that I wasn't you know, I was
who I was. And so I don't understand why producers are casting agents can't
go like to any participants, go look, I need the phone number of
your last three girlfriends or boyfriends, just things like that to kind of suss
these people out, because you can get a lot of dirt. You can
also get some lies and stuff from exes. But if you call the last
three acts and they're like, yeah, he's a cheater or what like whatever,
you can just I think that's how you can avoid some of these bad
casting choices like talk. If you want to talk to anybody JP knew you,
probably they'd probably be like, he signed up to be on a reality
show. This is nuts, Like no, but anyway, that's not a
talker. He's not a talker. But then you don't get drama, like
I'm sure that that was not a fail to the producers of the show.
I'm sure the fact that they got ended up not getting along and he told
her he thought she looked fake and had too much may I mean, that's
drama. That was It causes people to talk about it. I get it.
And by the way, that the only fun part of this season really
was the twist of the oo Chau David Lydia twists. So I'm with you
on that there, But I think you can find a balance. I just
love the first season so much that I keep you know, I know we're
never going to get a girl walking in a wedding dress falling down a gully
again. Okay, that's right. Yes, yeah, there's no way that
Giannina thought what's his name was cute damion? Yeah, and she was nuts.
The fact that they even made it to the altar is crazy, like
there's like something and she is like a reality TV ho too. I mean
she's with isn't she dating Blake from The Bachelor? She has and she has
a podcast of course. I mean if you kind of look at it,
the magic was in Lauren and Cameron. They liked each other immediately, and
also and then you also had what's her name? Who was? Who ended
up with Oh my god, why Jessica, who was kind of the slush
slashing her wine around all the yea, yeah, she who liked Mark but
then but then got uh freaked out by him young. Yes, but it
was so short that he couldn't get on most rides at Disneyland. Yeah.
But if you think about it, okay, and it's it's funny because I
look, like I said, I was just watching. I watched the first
couple episodes last night, and she was like, oh my god, I'm
madly after Barnett told Jessica like, it's it's not happening with you or no.
She got mad because he wasn't sure. So Jessica goes into the pod
and she says, like, what I want to know? Can I ask
you a question? Will you be honest with me? And he's like oh.
She's like, do you still mean it? Like how you felt about
me, like the things you said yesterday, and he goes, I don't
know. She was like what that fuck? Well, that's when the tank
mechanic his now wife I believe, who's military. Yes, that's when she
came in and threatened her life, which was great, great TV that first
season. Yeah, I miss it. It was She's like that that army
lady is going to kill me or something. But he was also don't forget,
he was also into another one, Elsie. There was another girl that
he was into that he just decided he was torn between three differents when every
girl wanted him to we're talking about Barnett right, yes, yes, because
and because he was like, they're all like, oh my god, he's
so perverted, like he just get He constantly was like oh you have a
dog, oh you like a dogging style, and all these women were like
love him, you know. First seasons of shows you can never kind of
top it because they didn't know what they were signing up for. And that's
the magic surrounding the season two there was already trouble in like River City because
they had shake on, they had that other guy who is a lunatic,
Oh Shane, Shane just he was season two. See, that season was
a lot worse than this season. If you think about the people and the
messiness and the just the awful, the awful contestants, you think that was
good casting. That was terrible Castle. I think it was a sophomore slump.
And then season three I thought was a little bit better, and then
season four. I thought last season was their best next to the season one.
But I hope if they should have at any given time two or three
of these introductions, I mean I would build out more studios with pods and
just start filming away like and do better and if something, if the season's
not working, then I think they tried to crank it out too quickly,
too like one after another. I mean, we just ended the other season
and now this season. Yeah, but they filmed them, they filmed them
a while ago, right, But I think that we were they were doing
them so quickly, back to back, back then. There's just too much.
I could have done a little better if they have. Yeah, who
are we forgetting about though? On the current season? Yeah, did not
talk Chris. Who's Chris and Johnny? Oh yeah, Chris and Johnny.
We got to talk about that, sure. Okay. So Johnny, as
you recall, was like in the Little everybody hates Johnny and I don't understand
why because I don't mind her. I know either stuff. She's the girl
in the playground that someone well I think what happen, and she's the rumor
spreader she does. She's like the worst game of telephone. Someone tells her
like, hey, Mary was mean to me. Then she goes over to
Mary and she's like, Caitlin said, you're a bitch, yeah, and
just stirs the pot. So that's true. I think she has really low
self esteem. Yep. Yeah, I think she's had some bad relationship.
I think she got very much like this syndrome. I don't know why I'm
calling it a syndrome, but this thing where it was like, oh my
god, all these guys are into me and she I don't think she's ever
been that girl that like a lot of the guys were falling for her,
so I think that, but this was the twist we didn't see coming right
that she so she chooses what's his name, Izzy? At her she wants
Izzy. She falls for Izzy, but then Izzy's like, eh, I
don't know. So then she's like, oh, no, I made a
mistake. So she basically said that she normally picks the safe guy and she
wants to follow her heart and that's why she's with Izzy. I didn't find
any real discrepancy with what she was saying, No there was. So then
she gets Chris in there as the backup and says, you know, I
normally go for the bad guy, but maybe I should be going with the
nice guy Chris, And he's like, well, let me think about that.
Well, so I think both sides, and she was playing both sides.
She was playing both sides, but she wasn't lying like Izzy was always.
But it's a bad boy. But when but when they're talking in their
you know, community or whatever it's set and one guy saying she said this
to me and the other guy saying that, then it's she starts to sound
fishy. She's basically going it would be like you know, I I you
know what I love. I love brunettes. I could never see myself dating
a blonde. Then the brunette says, well, I'm kind of not into
you. Then you go in the room with a blonde. You know what,
I really love blondes. Okay, I despise brunettes. It's just she
was playing, playing and she got confused. I'm gonna I'm going to disagree.
I think what happened is she was her last but guy that she married
she'd been in love with, like the drug autic guy. That was a
bad choice for her, so then she went with the safer choice. But
then the safer choice she was never really fully in love with them. So
what she was kind of saying was I would know, knowing myself, I'd
probably pick the safer choice. She's done both. I understand what you're saying,
but I think in there with the guys talking, I think she sounds
like she's talking out it, like she's two faces. She was competing for
the guy against Stacy, so she's trying to figure out, how do I
keep these guys on the hook with me? How do I play them both?
Then she decides, Okay, I'm gonna be all in with Izzy.
Izzy is a dick. I do not like this guy. First of all.
I like Stacy even less. So that's so. But Izzy is like,
first of all Izzy with his terrible credit and his very fishy sounding job.
And I say jaw Air quotes on job because he was like, oh,
yeah, I got a I got a job. I just got a
job, like, oh, my friend hooked me up with this sales job
that I've never actually freaking worked there. I mean, I don't blame Stacy
for being like, what's your job, what's your career? Well, I
had a job, but I don't anymore, Okay, And you also have
like a terrible credit. Well, how are you gonna fly your wife in
first class with no job in a terrible credit? Yeah, so i'men fan
of hers. She's terrible. Oh she's terrible. Yeah. When I is,
he walks up to ATM machines, the ATM machine tells me the fuck
off. Yeah, by the way, that is something you and he proved
to be basically a liar or he buried the truth. I forget how he
articulated it, but they definitely discussed finances in there. You know what,
Stacy she's going to be bringing out like do you make whatever? But I
don't think that. I think he was hiding it because he was on the
reunion. She was like, why didn't you tell me about He's like,
well, I did kind of tell you about my and she's like, you
never said he said I don't owe a lot of money. I'm not in
debt. Well, you were thirty five hundred dollars in debt, which I
agree is not a ton of debt, but you also had terrible credit.
But also he said, I don't owe anybody any money, but I just
have bad credit. That is the definition of owing people money. That's how
you get bad credit, is you owe someone money and you don't pay that.
And he said I don't have a credit card, which was the red
flag for her. That's when she started going like, okay, you're telling
me this the night before we're gonna get married. I do not blame her
at all for not marrying him. The way they both acted this Stacy and
Izzy when they were just getting off, they were like having orgasm over the
fact that they went they were so mean to Johnny for no reason, so
mean, And then you find out that as soon as Stacy says no to
him at the altar. Like two weeks later, he goes and tries to
get freaking Johnny Baby. Oh yeah, by the way, they make out
in his car. We hint they hint it at this During the reunion,
there was a beautiful girl named not Molea. I can't forget who, but
she remember her in the pods. Her story was, well, I live
in South Africa, but I'm moving to Houston in three weeks. Hello,
you're in Houston right now filming a show. I own a makeup line.
I'm starting a makeup line, skim Caroline. I'm not really sure what over
the place it'd be an MLM. Yeah. Just the inconsistencies, And that's
a nice way of saying lies of all these people not really being who they're
supposed to their true Well, you're right, you're going it's back to the
casting. Like you said, you're right, they're they fucked up on the
casting, big deal, big time. Yeah. Was Bill enjoyed it?
Okay, we did. We're talking about it for an hour. Was there
anything else I'm trying to think of these couples? Uh? Oh so Chris
Chris so, mister guy. Yeah, mister, how come we weren't raking
him over the coals? He's like, yeah, so he he was like,
I'm all in even poor Vanessa. Poor Vanessa got raked over of Nick
and Vanessa got raked over the colds. Last year, she was the worst
host she was in. She asked them too many questions, and then I
saw and read it. People were like, why didn't she ask more?
She can't? Like she no, you can't. You All you wanted was
for her to mind her own business and just let them show what they wanted
to share. Ask if anybody's pregnant, that's for sure to blind babies this
time exactly. So when so when Chris was like at the barbecue and he's
like, oh, I'm totally into Johnny. We're all in for each other,
you know, then apparently he's just cheating on her. She goes out
of town or whatever he got back and then comes back. Yeah, ghosts,
sir. And she was not even like what the fuck, bro?
She just well she might have been. Then remember this is a year and
a half that had transpired when right, but no, nobody was like Chris,
what the hell, how how dare you? But I mean, poor
oh, Aliyah was like gonna be the was, you know, persona non
grata for having cheated on some past boyfriend all over the place. Yeah all
right, maybe it was fun. There's a lot of hypocrisy in this and
and in him being like, yeah, I really did I really just fully
cheated on her. Yeah, I just I just got into a brand new
relationship and never told her. You know what my problem is, it's just
really hard for me to give people bad news something about me. I'm just
too nice. I'm just too nice a guy. I don't want to hurt
people's feelings, so I just cheat on them, fully live with somebody else
and never tell the person. Oh but he also, I love how he
framed. He goes, you know, yeah, it was hurtful for Johnny.
But if I had not done that to Johnny and stepped all over her,
yeah, I wouldn't have found the love that I exactly, I wouldn't
be so happy right now. Look at her crying. But it's all for
a good reason, my happiness. And we're bros. Or now almost said
that they were roused friend. We're friends' friends. Yeah oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, but it was because when is he made out with her and
then was like, I feel bad towards Chris. Did that bother you?
And Chris goes no, not really, No one gives a ship. This
is all for John bunch of narcissism now crazy. Well, I think we
covered everybody. I think we did. Yeah, this is pretty fun.
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