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Big Food and beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. These guys are your favorites,

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so like to subscribe and raid it. I'm stay shot and me range just

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on yesterday and listening, oh watching
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your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo
Fay Cliff, what's happening Man? Just

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same old, same old, same
old, same old. Yeah, what

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is the day in the life of
Bobo? Good question, Thank you.

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Tomorrow, gonna go meet my buddy
up there in Fieldbrook where that sighting was.

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He's back in town. We're gonna
go up there and look and see

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what we can finally spend like three
weeks now. But it's just been dumping

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rain and like heavy winds and like
it's gonna be pretty messed up and it's

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not the best substraight for getting Prince. We'll see what we can fine,

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right right, Well, you know, Dana, life for Cliff as I

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wake up at seven thirty or eight
and get ready for work, come to

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work, work all day, do
a podcast. At the end of the

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day, get home at seven or
eight, hang out, have dinner,

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go to bed. But great things
are happening. I mean we're getting ready

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for the Sportsman Show. Yeah,
we're gonna have a booth there. Can

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you imagine all the stories we're gonna
get and all the heckling too. Oh

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yeah, it should be a lot
of fun. I'm trying to get all

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my comebacks ready. Sixty thousand people
go through the doors over those you know,

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four days of the show or five
days of the show Wednesday through Sunday

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at the I don't even know where
it is, the Portland you know,

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convention Center, Expo or whatever it's
called. Downtown. There should be a

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lot of fun though, bringing a
bunch of exhibits in. We're bringing a

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bunch of footprint casts, obviously,
and I ran off two hundred and fifty

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report forms. I don't know how
many people are going to share their reports

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with us, but I bet it's
going to be quite a few. Who

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knows what other kind of stuff's going
to come our way, possibly a collection

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or two, like, oh,
my dad was really into big Foot.

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He had a newspaper clippings, you
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I'm hoping for. And of course, you know, we'll sell some stuff.

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I guess at the end of the
day, it'd be kind of like

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a Bigfoot convention, I guess,
with having some stuff out in front of

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me and making some money for the
shop. But really the goal of this

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is to get people into the museum, you know. So we'll bring in

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like two or three thousand flyers to
hand out, and we've never done this

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before, so it's going to be
an interesting experiment. My worst fear is

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that maybe we sell everything like by
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Sunday we don't have anything. I
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happen. Yeah, I just feel
like I'm going into this like ill equipped.

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I'm a little nervous about it,
to be honest with you, right,

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but I'm looking forward to it.
It's going to be a lot of

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fun, of course, meeting a
lot of good people and hearing tons of

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stories, I imagine, And really
when it's over, I get a few

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weeks of not having any other outside
obligations except for the museum. So looking

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forward to that, because you know
what, apple trees need pruning at this

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point, like, there's a lot
of stuff on the property I need to

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deal with, and Bigfoot has been
getting in the way, as it often

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does. Squashes don't just snap the
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I'm hoping, but you know,
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If I could have a troop of
sasquatches coming through and actually break all

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the branches on top of the apple
trees and cut it down to size every

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year, I would be thrilled,
be happy to give them all the apples

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they want, like they can't take
it anyway though, you know, right,

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but anyway, doing a fun podcast
right now, because it is the

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Q and A episode and Bigfoot and
Beyond right now, which is the one

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I look forward to the most every
single month. Yeah, I love it

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because it gives a chance to interact
with our audience, and we love,

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we love ourselves a good audience,
and you know we have a great one.

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And all these questions that will be
answering will be from you, our

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listeners. You are submitting them.
You are either writing them in or you're

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actually submitting voicemails so you can hear
your own melodious voice. I said,

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melodius, not malodorous, by the
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us. So yeah, I love
these episodes and it's kind of fun to

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hear the voice of the people who
are listening. Yeah, let's do it

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all right, Prouve, what do
you got for us, hay Cliff,

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Hey Boobo. My name is Adam
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Let us have one quick question.
When witness use report that the footprints just

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seem to have ended and there was
no sign of the sasquatch, do you

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think they just don't look up and
think about the possibility of them climbing trees

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or enging a body of water.
Do you think that could explain a lot

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of the paranormal side that people report
of Sasquatch. Yeah, I'll probably explain

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almost all of it, but but
not every single case, because I've talked

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a few that have followed them on
beaches and it just ends and there's nothing

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like within fifty feet there's been There's
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I mean almost all them are just
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they can jump. They could.
I mean people have seen them broad jump

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just from standing on two feet and
just without taking a step, jump like

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twenty two, twenty three, twenty
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just like the top humans can do
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So I mean, they can at
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from a standstill, and they can. I've heard enough stories of them jumping

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up into trees, and I'm sure
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of me like it's perplexing, like
the way some of those disappeared for like,

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you know, professional trackers and stuff. But I think it's just that

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they're really really good at not leaving
prince and covering their escape routs and such.

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Yeah, I think the vast majority
of those cases, it's a human

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thing. Like the people just aren't
good trackers, you know, because I've

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tracked Sasquatches a fair number of times, and I'm not don't. I don't

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pretend to be a good tracker by
any stretch of the imagination. I'm I'm

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a hobbyist. I enjoy it,
but I'm not great at it by any

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means, and I lose their trails
all the time. I mean, just

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thinking back to the last week when
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in Oregon. Here, I would
find three or four prints in a row,

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maybe two or three prints in a
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for ten or twenty yards or more
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one or maybe two or three more, and then I'd lose it again.

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Then there came a point where I
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from where I found it. Then
that's just completely lost it. And you

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know, and if I have to
look at that situation, I think it's

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the lazy way out to say,
oh, it just disappeared, or it

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flew in the sky, or it
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That's lazy thinking. I think that
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really harsh, but I don't care. I think it is. I think

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such a judgment deserves a little bit
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the fact is that I'm not a
good enough tracker to track it. You

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know, these things live in places
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is a fact. And yeah,
they might be going in trees, but

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where I lost the trail for these
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you know, I mean, reasonably
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jumped fifteen feet to his side and
on this alder tree and grabbed onto it

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and jumped from tree to tree to
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of course, brings to mind the
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you know what the splinter cat is, if you don't check it out,

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I think it's a SaaS watch legend
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lost a trail. You know,
humans are extraordinarily fallible, and tracking is

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an art, and it's very easy
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especially since sasquatches have large, soft, padded feet. I've said it kind

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of a lot lately, but these, the John Green books and all these

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other books, like the early books, have skewed our perception of what footprints

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look like in the ground. They
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Hardly ever, they're barely ever like
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where you see leaf litter shoved out
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some ferns or grass pressed into the
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subtle, subtle, subtle signs as
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they would be no, no,
no, no, forget all that.

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Get rid of all that stuff in
your head. Don't take those presumptions to

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bed with you like they just leave
those aside. Start with a blank slate

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and then learn about what is actually
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there. So I'm gonna says it's
human fault. Humans are not generally good

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trackers, and the beach thing,
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a lot of people when they say, oh, just went in the middle

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of nowhere and disappeared, and therefore
the Bigfoots are paranormal. All right,

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Well, I'm already going to doubt
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people say, oh, what about
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snow and then disappear. Well,
Bob Strain told me once that he tracked

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a sasquatch in the snow and the
trackway appeared to disappear. If you can

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appear to disappear, that seems like
a funny thing to say. But and

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he looked more closely, and it
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same footprints that it left coming in. I was just gonna say that,

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yeah, hear that pretty calm like
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how the bigfoots back tracked themselves,
like stepping in their own footprints. Other

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animals do that as well. Other
animals do that same behavior as well,

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and you know what humans do that
humans do that it's easier, it takes

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less effort. So I'm going to
go human error is what I'm going to

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say with this, and sure that
they probably go in trees too. I

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think they take advantage of a three
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very often thinking two dimensions, they
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dimensions, Cliff, because you're thinking
only in three dimensions, I am,

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in fact thinking only in three dimensions
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But do they zap through portals and
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absolutely not. To me, it
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tracks ending in the snow or whatever
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those things that is mythologized, like, oh, I've heard about X,

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Y, and Z, Like I've
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has photographed it, or has in
any way documented it. That was their

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experience. And I've never met anyone
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claims who have seen that. It's
just one of those things that gets repeated

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like, oh, well, what
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the snow, as if it's taken
for granted that that actually occurs. And

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so it seems to me like one
of the many myths associated with sasquatchry rather

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than something that people actually observe.
You know, I was with High Check.

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I was with High Check the Mouth
of the clot we're filming that mysterious

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encounters. And we met a biologist
guy had a masters in biology who in

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the Queen Charlotte Queen Charlotte Islands off
Canada, saw one walking at the beach

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and he said, it's just blinked
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had massive seventeen inch tracks, did
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was right there when we talked to
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to him for like a god almost
an hour, and it was he didn't

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say anything else nutty, And I
think didn't Doug those ones at Slay Lake,

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the first ones he saw he was
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Didn't those just disappear too? I'm
going to say I don't know what Doug

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said, but I would say,
no, they didn't do that, because

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sasquatches don't do that. Bears don't
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elk don't do that. Sasquatch don't
do that. There's no reason to think

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they would. I don't think it's
the most likely option, but I'll keep

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it all the things on the table, Cliff, I don't it's pretty a

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stretch thick and they can blink out, Yeah, I think that's a stretch

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man. What if I said,
like, hey, you know I live

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in the woods. You've been to
my house, Bobs. If I heard

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rummaging outside, you know, on
trash night, and I stuck my head

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out the window. I saw a
bear going through my trash, can you

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know? Which is entirely possible where
I live. And I yelled, hey,

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bear, get out of here,
and then the bear opened up a

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porthole and disappeared into another dimension.
Like what would you think of what about

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someone who said that devolving? I
don't think that's like the most likely thing,

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but I'll keep it all options open. Now, both the thing is

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you you suffer under the same disadvantage
that I do, Okay, is that

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we're both honest people, and we
and therefore we assume everybody else is honest

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and scrupulous and also good observers.
We assume everybody is kind of like us,

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Like I know that whatever I say
is my truth. You know,

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I maybe incorrect about some things,
but I'm going to tell the truth,

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and everybody else is the same way. And not everybody's like that. And

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I think that honest people like myself
and you, I know you very well,

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and that you're not a liar.
We assume everybody's telling us the truth.

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But there's another thing we assume is
that they're accurate. And I don't

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think people are accurate as often as
we give them credit for. You know,

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people are just rife with misconceptions and
cultural filters. These see things through

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everybody, and I just think a
lot of that blurs the vision of what

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actually happened. You know. Yeah, I recant my position. I'm not

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trying to talk you down, Bobs. I'm really not. I'm just saying

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that I think it's a mistake to
put so much faith in the words that

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come out of people's heads because of
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I think most people are telling the
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it's so filtered and colored by their
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like, I just think there's something, there's something, there's something more to

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the squats than just a large prime
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that there's not some kind of cover
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some special ability they have why we
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all the answers that you seek you
might find in The Phenomenal Sasquatch by Matt

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Pood available now at Amazon dot com
or the American Big Foot Center. I've

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heard of those arguments. It still
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history that you know, all the
unless there's you know, there's government cover

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ups and at all kinds of different
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just haven't got a body. Just
it's just there's something, there's something weird

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about them. Yeah, Well,
Bob does. I mean, I think

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more than anyone else on the show. I think you represent the beyond in

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Bigfoot and Beyond, and we all
love you for it. We all love

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you for it. But I'm going
to give you some pushback. Oh yeah,

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I deserve it. No, I'm
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stuff like that, but forever.
It's just there's just so much weirdness out

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there, you know. It's like, I mean, I don't it doesn't

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seem likely, but they're probably not. Well. I love you for your

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openness, Bobs. Oh yeah,
yes, it's one of the reasons I

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love you. Of course, stay
tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

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and Bobo. Will be right back
after these messages. I want to see

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if this UFO thing does tie and
if there's so like grand unification of the

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high strangeness and weird you know,
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there is there some link to all
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that actually, people, I think
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hear me say something like that that
I love this idea that I see a

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lot of the paranormal folks. I
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has done this. I have great
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as a person, and I love
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these different weird subjects. I think
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who's into all sorts of various weird
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the grand unification theory of paranormal I
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why not. And I've noticed that
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starting to refer to the thing as
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you now, they're trying to tie
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are doing that now. Imber right, grega data Newkirk, and I just

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love that idea. But I see
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any of that whatsoever, Because the
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I have smelled and seen and tracked
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seem to exhibit any weird phenomenon at
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that all the other animals do.
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to think that there's anything weird going
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on the podcasters, that does not
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is happy to fool you into thinking
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know we've talked about this, and
I've talked about it ad infinitum ad nauseum

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rather on other podcasts. But if
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going by the numbers, these things
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orbs or lights in the sky or
apparition experiences, if you want to associate

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it with something hair covered, some
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why don't we assume that orbs are
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bear or elk or moose, because
those animals all occur much You're you're naming

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out things that are completely There's millions
of bodies have been found, there's millions

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of hours of foot footage of them, There's there's there's more bigness than there

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are snow leopards. You know,
we got well, once we started constantly

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on snow leers, we got you
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there was no footage twenty five years
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if you know, very often people

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argue, well, you know,
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sightings happen in forested areas. I
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yeah, I'll just say they they
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might be. You know, I
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soon, if at all, in
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want I just wanted, like,
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just if they're I mean, species
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know they're more adapted, buties a
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know what I mean. Well,
hidden's relative though, because if we look

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at claimants, if some significant percentage
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seen semi frequently, especially if you
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a bird's eye view of the entire
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two hundred and fifty years. Then
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like they're everywhere and they're nowhere, they're

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seen very rarely, but yet they're
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those paradoxes I think are worth paying
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like I do think that there are
reasonable explanations that we haven't collected a

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specimen yet, or that someone hasn't
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individual yet, et cetera. But
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are I wrestle with those things too
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the more likely explanation would be that
it is something psychological. Before I would

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say, like they're just being picked
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to explain one unknown with another gets
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think we should focus on I'm not
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just yeah, looking at the big
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great, but if not, like
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other. Well. See, that's
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on you know, I understand that
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them in the woods, and they
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in their minds, sasquatches are responsible
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know, But if I'm going to
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I recognize that that there's some truth
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You've seen some weird stuff, and
you're big footing, and do you think

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bigfoots are responsible? I think the
least anybody can do is reciprocate that and

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say, Okay, I've been doing
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had anything weird like that happened to
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around sasquatches a fair amount. I
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don't know, I don't know.
I'll recognize that other people have had weird

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stuff going on, but you got
to you got to give it back and

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say, yeah, I've never had
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when I've been out there and sasquatches
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man, hey man, I'd love
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weird I think you know me,
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would love to have weird stuff like
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It just doesn't, man. And
I put myself in that position hundreds

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and hundreds of times, and it's
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some guys get all the luck because
it shocked an idiot when you say,

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like it could be you know,
like those people are going like what

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a sucker, you know, And
then there's a fewople going now that kind

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of knows what he's talking about.
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just think the biggest risk is that
like when once you open the door to

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the unknown, not that the unknown
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then once you do open the door
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Like why can't I invoke any unknown
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like add infinitum until I have,
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so of course, like we take
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lights in the sky or something like
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it would have the same validity as
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they're you know, projections of the
human mind, Like what do they call

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those tulpas thought. For I mean, you could go on and on and

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on with a zillion different explanations rather
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this work within what's known? The
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explanatory model within the narrowest sets of
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do that with the biological sasquatch.
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of opening the door of the unknown. It's like, well, where does

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it end? It never ends.
You just create a void that can be

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filled with the near plausible completely through
to the ridiculous or the preposterous, and

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they're all equally valid or invalid.
You know what I mean, right right,

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I don't see anything to explain,
you know, everything I've personally observed,

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because remember what I said earlier.
Let's get rid of all the preconceived

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notions, let's get rid of all
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and just question them for a little
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anything to explain from my own personal
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I see that these are some sort
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humans, I put humans in the
same category. So they're a human

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like in some ways, but not
a lot of ways. Are they a

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human like? They're not very inhuman
Mostly I see nothing to explain that's out

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of the ordinary, and therefore I've
got you know, why would I explain

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something that isn't there for me to
explain? You know. One of the

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things that I've positive in the book, it's certainly not novel to me.

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is a normative human cognitive disposition.
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let's say, behaviors, for example, on a spectrum from environmentally stable meaning

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that these behaviors are present in populations
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that they're influenced by the environment.
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versus nurture, or natural versus cultural, et cetera, you do find that

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mystical or magical thinking is an environmentally
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that as your framework, that we
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lens normatively, then to me,
that's the explanation for the experience of high

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strangeness or at least the interpretation of
various phenomena as being connected to high strangeness

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or supernatural phenomena worldwide, but yet
not having like a direct one to one

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relationship with objective reality. And so
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they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. And
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likely explanation for the preponderance of quote
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phenomena and where it happens. Oh
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experiences of high strangeness, and I
would love to experience it. I never

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have, but I would certainly like
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reminds me of what Krantz wrote in
his book Krantz. I think I don't

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remember exactly what he was talking about
at the time, but it was something

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to do with people claiming pretty wacky
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somebody might have proposed to Krantz like, well, the bigfoots are probably just

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hiding that behavior from you, And
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we assume that about wolves as well? Like wolves have greater intelligence than any

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human being in the high civilization and
they're just hiding that from us as well,

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and it kind of gets us nowhere
once again. But the real danger,

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in my opinion, the real danger
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that it drives away the very people
that we want to be involved in the

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subject. It drives away the scientists
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the species further and further away.
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way at all, if they are
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then actually that frame of mind,
that paranormal frame of mind literally is doing

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damage to the population of sasquatches.
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most likely the paranormal thinking about sasquatches
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but if it is, if they
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their populations, and we are driving
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by suggesting that they go through portals
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well then it's doing real damage to
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that's criminal, you know, that's
that's a shame that it's terrible. I'll

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not suggesting they do. You know
what, I find really funny, and

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is that one of the things I
I see so frequently about that I see

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so frequently like within the current culture
of sasquatchery is the constant, like often

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repeated scapegoating of people that are biologically
grounded by the more paranormally minded is saying,

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like, well, you're saying they're
just apes because you're a shill.

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You're a shill for the establishment.
You know the truth, but you're trying

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to hide it. That's you.
Hear that all the time. I see

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comment sections all the time. And
the funny thing is, if you read

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Krantz, Krantz took the same sort
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about and I'm pretty sure he was
referring to John Eric Beckeard when he said

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in his book something along the lines
of like, I often wonder if these

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paranormal proponents are shills for the logging
industry, and they're being paid to get

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out in public and make wild,
preposterous claims about the sasquatch so that no

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one will take it seriously. So
I think it's funny that You've had like

403
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.680
big talking heads on both sides of
that coin accusing the other of being paid

404
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.720
chill. You know, like this
whole scapegoating. It's pretty hilarious. Yeah.

405
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:10.359
Tom Powell actually almost accused I guess
or suggested heavily to Eric beck Sjord

406
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.839
himself directly to him on the phone
that like, hey, Eric, like

407
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.720
who's paying you for this? You
know, like who are you actually working

408
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.440
for? And he goes, oh, well, I think Eric said something

409
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.279
to the effect that we should get
Tom back on the show, by the

410
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.519
way, because Tom's gonna have another
book out real soon, so when he's

411
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.160
ready to put that on the shelves
for people to purchase, we'll have Tom

412
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:30.880
back on. We'll ask him directly
about this too, if I can remember

413
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.359
it, but I think he asked
beck Seord something the effect of who's paying

414
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.920
this? Well, I've got funder, but it's not the government. And

415
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.759
then Tom goes, do you really
think that the CIA or some government agency

416
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.039
would put their names on the checks
that you're receiving, so you know who's

417
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.000
paying you? And then I guess
that shut her up for a while,

418
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:52.680
So just shut him up. Yeah, yeah, but because you know,

419
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.680
Tom's really into conspiracies and all sorts
of wacky stuff, and I'd love the

420
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.960
guy, of course, so i'd
love to How great would it be to

421
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.559
be a fly on the wall in
a conversation between Tom Powell and Eric beckjord

422
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:07.559
Oh yeah, yeah, I love
me some Tom Powell. So yeah,

423
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.880
he'll learn you, Adam from the
UK, see what you started, man,

424
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.640
for it's got a lot of editing
to do on this one. Cut

425
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.319
all that stuff out for no people
really you know, a lot of listeners

426
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.279
right in and say like I really
love the conversations where you guys are just

427
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.920
having authentic conversation that it's like we're
sitting around a campfire with you. So

428
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.079
I think all that stuff is great
because it is a genuine conversation, and

429
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:32.279
it also just goes to show that, you know, those differences of opinion,

430
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.920
that's where all the interesting stuff happens, because you know, the three

431
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.640
of us agree on ninety nine point
you know, nine percent of the sasquatch

432
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.039
phenomenon. So the really interesting stuff
comes from those little bits of like I

433
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.880
don't know about that, what about
this? You know? And I think

434
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.960
it's very useful, very productive.
I mean it's just kind of like with

435
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.880
like the whole like the pyramid mysteries, Like how how they do these giant

436
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.359
blocks like that's you know, and
cut and fit these you know, like

437
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.799
tens of thousands of years ago.
You know. It's just there's these weird

438
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:06.319
things that to fire knowledge. You
know, that we don't understand. The

439
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.359
reason we're all here is because we're
fascinated by mysteries. And you know,

440
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.359
every one of those mysteries is an
opportunity for learning, for growth, for

441
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.720
discovery, et cetera. And so
you know, I'm fascinated by those things

442
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.640
too, just none of them griped
me like the sasquatch does. And so

443
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.880
I tend to be a sasquatch maximalist, you know, because somebody had written

444
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:26.960
in the other day about oh,
have you read this or have you read

445
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.640
that? And they were, you
know, similar mysteries, but not in

446
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.640
that field. I was like,
no, you know, they seem kind

447
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.319
of surprised that I don't follow other
mysteries, and I'm like sorry, you

448
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:40.400
know, I'm not mysteriously promiscuous,
you know, I just stick to one

449
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:45.359
mystery that's been enough. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

450
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:55.720
Bogo. We'll be right back after
these messages. I don't see how anybody

451
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.039
has time for anything but Bigfoot.
I mean, I don't even have time

452
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:03.279
to print my apple tree, so
I mean to dig deeply into anything else.

453
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:10.000
I just don't see how anybody could
have time for a thorough learning experience

454
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.759
in any of these other phenomenon.
Maybe it's just the depth that I've found

455
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.480
myself going to. You know,
with the bigfoot thing, it's hard to

456
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.359
say, well, you go into
the whole origin of species, like where

457
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.920
you know all the all the harmined
lines and harmited lines. But that's because

458
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.839
of bigfoot. I'm learning about human
ancestors because of sasquatches. I think that

459
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.960
we might we might find a sasquatch
somewhere down there. You know, paranthropies,

460
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.559
for example, are basically little bigfoots, and you know, to learn

461
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.440
if you want to learn about grizzly
bears, I think it might serve someone

462
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:47.160
to learn about black bears. Right, and since we have examples of essentially

463
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:52.079
what you know for all practical purposes
are bigfoots, you know, about five

464
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.079
four or five feet tall, I
might as well learn about those because I

465
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.920
bet you. In fact, I
think I think it's fair to say that

466
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:03.160
I've learned a lot about sasquatches,
or at least a the worst of like

467
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.599
Ian Tattersall that I mentioned on the
last episode and his work on ostrolopithes scenes

468
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:14.720
have certainly influenced my thinking about sasquatches
and helped me formulate perhaps a model for

469
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.519
them in my own mind. It
just makes sense. But I see that

470
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.079
as the same the same subject.
Really, you know, human ancestors,

471
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.359
but apes, it's all bigfoot to
me. Yeah. That's the beauty of

472
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.759
having an intense interest in a subject, even if it seems really discreet and

473
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.440
separate from everything, is that it's
like the eye of a needle, you

474
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.160
know, And the closer you get
to it, you know, the more

475
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.160
closely you scrutinize it, You eventually
get close enough where you see the rest

476
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:41.079
of the world through the eye of
the needle, you know what I mean.

477
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.880
And this subject, or any subject, is no different where if you

478
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.920
really want to understand it, you
find yourself digging into so many other disciplines

479
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.759
that are relevant in so many other
ways that you know, you sort of

480
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.880
develop a real familiarity with a whole
host of things trying to answer just one

481
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.480
simple question. Well, it's another
great thing about the bigfoot subject. It

482
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:06.039
is multi disciplinary. You know,
almost almost no matter what you're interested in,

483
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.680
you can apply it or use Bigfoot
through it. You know, geology

484
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.440
for example, if you love geology, or weather for that matter. My

485
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.319
wife's really in the weather. So
you can use those those topics, those

486
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:23.200
those subjects, and you can apply
them to the Bigfoot thing at various levels

487
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.960
somehow, you know. I think
that's one of the things that drew me

488
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.079
to the subject so strongly, because
after I was an elementary school teacher,

489
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.599
which is, you know, I'm
not great at anything, but I'm pretty

490
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.279
good at most things. It's kind
of like the description of what an elementary

491
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.079
school teacher is, because you teach
all the subjects to the students. And

492
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:44.519
I think that that's one of the
things that really made Bigfoot so appealing to

493
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.119
me as a subject, because I
like a lot of different things, and

494
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.920
it turns out that those various subjects
are you can apply to the big Foot

495
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.680
phenomenon somehow and try to dig a
little deeper and you know, kind of

496
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.759
enter that subject from that particular angle
so yeah, there's that's that's what I

497
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.039
was saying when you said, you're
you're so busy with Digfoot, But I

498
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.839
mean like you're looking at things like
you know, the how the biology and

499
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.480
the physical characteristics of the eye,
like how the eye works, and you

500
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.920
know, like all like you know, all that kind of stuff like DNA

501
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:23.880
and photography, like in the geometry
you know of figuring out the size of

502
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:30.079
subjects in film, and when you
broad like Bigfoot out like research that way,

503
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.079
it's you'll never you'll never have time
for all of it. And unfortunately,

504
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.000
I never be an expert in any
of it. I'll never be good

505
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.000
enough at any one of those things
to uh, you know, to make

506
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.640
a huge difference. But I'm more
of a generalist, I guess. But

507
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.720
that is the beauty of it is
like the more the more you're interested you

508
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.359
are, the deeper the interest,
the more things you make contact with.

509
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.400
And you know, I've heard it
described like you know, you have this

510
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.839
kind of territory of what you understand, and as that territory grows, of

511
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.519
course the boundary is growing, and
so you're coming into contact with more of

512
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.400
what you don't understand. So the
more you know, the larger that boundary

513
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.960
is touching the unknown, and it's
just more and more opportunities to learn,

514
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:13.519
which is really a fantastic thing.
I mean, it's everyone should have a

515
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.079
calling of similar nature, you know, that drives them to constantly learn and

516
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:22.480
constantly grow. And I'm just a
you know, I'm grateful that we all

517
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.639
have that, because you know,
I've definitely met plenty of people who,

518
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.599
whether they believe in the subject or
not, have said to me directly,

519
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.039
friends, like I wish there was
something in my life that I was as

520
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:36.760
interested in as you are the sasquatch. And it's kind of sad to hear

521
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.480
from people, you know that they
not everyone has found that, saw.

522
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.320
I tell them, if you're as
smart and good look as me, you

523
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.840
would be here here. So I
here's a question, I guess I don't

524
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.639
know. This might be a question
more for Matt than Bobo, but I'd

525
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:53.400
like Bobo's perspective as well. Obviously, if sasquatches turn out to be a

526
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.960
truly paranormal species, they can phase
in and out and do the predator sort

527
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.519
of thing, and you know they
turn invisible or travel through portals and read

528
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:06.800
your mind, then all that kind
of stuff. Would you still be interested

529
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.800
in them? Oh? Absolutely,
because my interest is involuntary. I mean,

530
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.599
if I could choose what to be
interested in, I probably would have

531
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.320
chosen to be, like deeply interested
in accounting or engineering or something that was

532
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.760
a hell of a lot more lucrative
and certainly be more boring. But you

533
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.960
know, it's not like choosing to
devote yourself to the sasquatch phenomenon makes for

534
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.480
you know the fewest amount of headaches
and heartaches and frustrations and things of that

535
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:39.559
nature. So I consider it an
involuntary compulsion, that sort of deep interest.

536
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.320
And so I think even if it
did turn out to be something like

537
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.239
that, if my interests were rooted
strictly within the biological then I could have

538
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:51.320
just aimed it at bears. Or
you know, there's analogs like the Eastern

539
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:53.280
cougar. You know, a lot
of people claim to see them in the

540
00:35:53.320 --> 00:36:00.199
East. They've purportedly survived in places
where the state or federal government says they've

541
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.320
been extirpated, And so I could
just as easily be pursuing that, or

542
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.360
I've Bill Woodpeckers. Absolutely, there's
a whole host of things that are almost

543
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.960
perfect analogues, but for some reason, like I'm just not compelled to go

544
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.119
do that. Of course, if
I saw a cougar, you know,

545
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.159
it'd be amazing and fascinating. But
so, you know, I think even

546
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.400
if I discovered that the fundamental nature
of the phenomenon, like even if it

547
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.760
were discovered that no, actually it
is some function of the human psyche,

548
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.519
some element of the human mind,
I would still be like, Okay,

549
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:34.400
well, then why hasn't happened to
me? Like why I haven't I seen

550
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.039
one? What am I doing wrong
that I've not triggered this in my own

551
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.079
mind where I can have the experience
that others claim to have. So I'd

552
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:45.440
still be pursuing that experience at the
very least. So no, I don't

553
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.119
think it would change for me.
I don't think I could say the same.

554
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:50.320
Yeah, I think if these were
just animals, I would be much

555
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.800
less interested in them, in the
same way that I'm not really interested in

556
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.519
ghosts. You would you still be
interested in them, Yeah, to some

557
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.559
degree, but I don't think I
would. It would hold it for me

558
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:00.719
like it does. You know.
You know, we've all seen a lot

559
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:06.079
of people that have either started out
with a paranormal interpretation or have you know,

560
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.639
lean into that very often as an
explanation for their own lack of contact,

561
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.920
because it would be a sort of
convenient scapegoat. And I understand that,

562
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.239
like believe me. I mean,
the one of the arguments I make

563
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.119
in the book over and over is
like, you know, it's really been

564
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:27.400
the failure of proponents to deliver substantive
proof rather than to lay the blame at

565
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.679
the feet of the quote unquote establishment
for you know, denying the existence or

566
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.239
rejecting the evidence offered thus far.
And I look at that as an opportunity.

567
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:37.119
It's like, Okay, well we
can do better, and we can

568
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.880
try harder, and we can apply
ourselves more. But you know, for

569
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.719
a lot of people, I think
it's easier to go, oh, well,

570
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.000
I've never seen one because they can
become invisible, or because they can

571
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:50.719
read my thoughts and they know before
I leave my house that I'm looking for

572
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.039
them, and so they're going to
hide from me. And it's like that's

573
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.960
a convenience scapegoat. You know.
I prefer to just take the blame on

574
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.239
myself and say, well, I'm
apparently not doing it right. But at

575
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.679
the same time. You know,
I think we might not be doing it

576
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.559
right because you know, sometimes people
will say like, oh, yeah,

577
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:08.559
well, what proof do you think
you have? And I'm like, I

578
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.159
have as much proof for the existence
of the Sasquatch as everyone else, which

579
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.440
is absolutely zero. You know,
we have evidence, and that evidence is

580
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:22.760
subjective and it requires a lot of
familiarity with relevant disciplines to interpret that evidence.

581
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:27.440
But in terms of absolute, definitive
proof, no one has that yet.

582
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.239
And so I would look at that
and go, well, I should

583
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.679
be doing better rather than saying,
well, the Sasquatch is eluding me via

584
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:38.400
mystical means, you know what I
mean, like a true suit a shill,

585
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:45.760
a shill going to cash my fed
check. Now, I think I've

586
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.440
been accused of being a government shill
before you have. Yeah, I'm pretty

587
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.039
sure I have. I don't pay
much attention to the outside world, but

588
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.280
uh, things leak back to me, and I'm pretty sure I've been accused

589
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.559
of that. You both have.
I've seen multiple comments that finding Bigfoot is

590
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.400
part of a government disinformation campaign.
Well, I'll say this, man,

591
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.400
if I'm on the government payroll,
their benefit package sucks. You know,

592
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:14.599
no medical at all no retirements.
I haven't seen a check in ever.

593
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:22.599
Yeah, so whatever that's worth.
Well, that's one question down. We'll

594
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.239
at least get through the voicemails here, all right, let's go. Let's

595
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.480
let's get to the next one.
Then see what you did to us,

596
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.159
Adam, Thank you for that,
but you almost broke us up. You

597
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:37.000
almost broke a part of family.
Hello, Cliff from Bobo, This is

598
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.760
Kevin from Cincinnati. Just let you
guys know, pay a compliment. You

599
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:45.079
guys rock. You help my third
shift go a lot faster when the podcast

600
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.239
is on. I got a serious, not so serious question. People are

601
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:54.320
always leaving apples and peanut butter and
stuff for Bigfoot. I was wondering if

602
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:59.599
anybody's ever tried luring them in with
bananas. I've never heard about it.

603
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.840
Cliff, please correct me if I'm
wrong. My wife loves correct me.

604
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:08.000
Anyway, if anybody's actually tried bananas, thank you so much for everything you

605
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:13.920
guys do and research and keeping us
all updated on it. So keep a

606
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.840
squatchy and thank you very much.
People have said that they that they had

607
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.800
to leave one half peeled, and
when they did that, then the Bigfoot

608
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.559
started taking them. Well they knew
how to eat it properly, I guess,

609
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.039
is what I've heard a couple of
different people say over the years.

610
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.079
You know, I don't know a
lot of people that have been very successful

611
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:40.559
with gifting at all. I certainly
the sasquatches have been I've been told sasquatches

612
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.280
are stealing apples and stuff. But
the Pacific Northwest apples are kind of everywhere.

613
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.000
You know, there's even abandoned apple
orchards in the woods if you know

614
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.119
where to look. Sometimes they grow
here. You know, they've grown here

615
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.840
for two hundred years or more.
You know, I don't think they're native

616
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:00.239
to the area, but certainly the
early pioneers brought them out. I think

617
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.480
apples are native to Asias somewhere,
if I remember right. But still they've

618
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.360
kind of developed a taste. And
bananas don't live here. They don't even

619
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.920
they don't even grow here really effectively
for the most part, because they like

620
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.760
the tropical climates, so they probably
wouldn't be very familiar with them. And

621
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.480
the same sort of way, they're
not very familiar with citrus. You know,

622
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.880
most citrus trees don't do well up
here in the Pacific Northwest. But

623
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.599
I don't know. Maybe there's places
like down outside of Bakersfield and whatnot where

624
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:28.199
there's huge orange groves at the foot
of like the Current River. I'm sure

625
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.639
that those things get rated sometimes by
sasquatches, but it might just be a

626
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:38.239
lack of familiarity. But I personally
have never not once ever been successful with

627
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:44.559
baiting or delivered or gifting or any
of that stuff with sasquatches, even when

628
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.039
I knew they were there and I
left stuff out, like at the water

629
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.840
spot when you were there, Bobo
left stuff out for him, and they

630
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:52.719
didn't want it. They didn't want
anything to do with it. So I

631
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.760
don't know. I'm a little perplexed
by all that. I know. Tom

632
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:59.079
Shay's had some success. He was
having some success with peanut butter, and

633
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.800
at least he believes that that's what
it was. The sasquatch was responsible.

634
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:07.199
He would put peanut butter jars out
attached to trees with duct tape and then

635
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.039
screw the lid on. Actually it
never even took the lid off, including

636
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.880
the safety seal, and he would
get those things, you know, taken

637
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.599
from him off the tree, and
that eventually led to the Natella casts if

638
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.000
you're familiar with that where he didn't
have peanut butter one time, so we

639
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.800
left out natella and got some big
finger marks in the natella. And I

640
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.639
always joke saying that clearly it had
to be a sasquatch and not a human

641
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.280
because any human would have eaten all
the natella. But yeah, I've never

642
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.199
had any luck with any of that. But have you directly either one of

643
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.920
you guys had luck with baiting or
you know, gifting or whatever you want

644
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.800
to call it, leaving food out
for these things. Yeah, I did

645
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.400
with that time with Lighterman when we
were camping up by Bluff. We were

646
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.880
in a campground up there, and
the thing it ran through the camp I

647
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.880
mean, it ran right down behind
us, I mean and didn't even break

648
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.800
stride and swooped up like ten apples
without without breaking strata. It was insane.

649
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.920
Yeah, I remember Lighterman talking about
that. That was that was pretty

650
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.239
interesting, just like like here are
the foots go, the footsteps run by,

651
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.760
and then you know it scooping up
an entire thing of apples and one

652
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:16.519
presumably one hand, I don't know, maybe both, who knows, I

653
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.960
don't know, but it was that
was crazy, And then I've had them.

654
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.880
I'm sure leave me is God,
that's been well like ten years ago.

655
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.760
That's what I was just talking about. Where I was out where you

656
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.199
know, where the we had the
recorders out. We got the Knox after

657
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.840
we left like a half hour later. That's I was on that same trail

658
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.679
ten years ago, and I was, I was going up there a lot.

659
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.840
I did my calls, and I
was leaving out dried mango and uh

660
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:49.280
papaya all the time. And I
went out that day and this German guy

661
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.280
was living at my house. He
was a wait He was waiting for the

662
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.920
PCT trail to though out, which
didn't happen that you're, until like August

663
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.000
because the records records snow year that
year for that whatever. So it was

664
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.840
he had nowhere to stay. So
he used to work for me around the

665
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.360
house. He did some like construction
jobs and stuff whatever, but he wanted

666
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.440
to go out. He got really
into the big foot thing hanging out,

667
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.039
being like we went up there and
poked around, you know, you cres

668
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:15.719
me some places. And he read
a bunch of books at my house and

669
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.320
I said, all right, I'll
take you to the spot and then you

670
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.559
got to go off trail and you've
got to hike out and spend a couple

671
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.800
of days out there, and you'll
be fine, you know, but you

672
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:27.800
know you might get scared, but
it's cool. And so we go walking

673
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.559
down there and we I did some
calls at the trail head and we walked

674
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.199
in. We had to walk like
a mile and a half, two miles,

675
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.320
and as we're going in, just
right there, about two unity yards

676
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:44.159
in was this fresh killed rabbit laid
out across the trail, like in perfect

677
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:45.880
like it didn't just die of a
heart attack, like something laid it out.

678
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:51.440
It was totally fresh and warm.
And I got no riga mortis at

679
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.760
all. I was like, well, that's a trip and monkey knows like

680
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.719
freaking out on it. And then
so we walked in and we I showed

681
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:00.719
him a hike up here, go
that that ridge and drop down to that

682
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.719
next little valley and hang out there
for a couple of days and you know,

683
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.079
trying to knocks and stuff and whoops
it after it gets dark. And

684
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.239
as I came back, I did
some whoops of them there, like you

685
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.280
know, and then we turned around
and started walking out, and you know,

686
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.800
like just right up the trail from
there was another rabbit the exact same

687
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:21.920
position, laid out the exact same, exactly, the exact same like.

688
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.400
It was a different rabbit. It
was way bigger, and it was it

689
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.679
was laid out just across the trail, both its legs, you know,

690
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.840
the legs feet touching together like it
was you know, presented, it was

691
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.239
presented. It was totally warm,
fresh broke neck. I was like,

692
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.079
oh, they gifted me that time
and then the time I was with my

693
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:43.360
dad, they gifted they. I've
been gifted more than I think that I

694
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.880
know. If they've taken gifts from
me, I'll say that stay tuned for

695
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.960
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. We'll be right back after these

696
00:45:51.960 --> 00:46:00.599
messages. But bananas, I don't
see why not. I think the key

697
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:02.719
with the banana thing, and this
is something that Tom Shay has done with

698
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:06.280
some of those peanut butter jars,
the ones that he took the safety seal

699
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.880
off, is that he put his
own finger than the peanut butter and rubbed

700
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.679
it on the outside of the jar
to get the smell out there. So

701
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.360
I think that that would be the
key with bananas because you know, bananas

702
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.639
are delicious. You may have noticed. I think if they could smell that,

703
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.840
then they would go, oh yeah, these smell delicious, and then

704
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.000
you'd have a better chance with it. Well, I think a big problem

705
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:30.039
is that it's really hard to make
sense of negative information or missing information or

706
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.719
you know, negative data in that
if these animals have very large home ranges,

707
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.519
like I think they do, and
they're very mobile within those home ranges,

708
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:43.119
like people might go out into an
area where sightings have occurred and they

709
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.039
set up some kind of a bait
station and nothing gets taken, and they

710
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:50.119
make the proclamation, oh, well, the Sasquatch isn't interested in food,

711
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.559
And the reality is, like,
man, there might not have been one

712
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.880
within like six miles of you,
and it might have had no clue that

713
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:59.039
you were there for those two or
three nights or whatever. And so it's

714
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.000
not that they rejected your food or
weren't interested. They just didn't even know

715
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:06.199
you where the food existed at that
point in time because they were elsewhere.

716
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.880
It's not like, you know,
they're in such abundance that they're within a

717
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:13.840
square mile of everywhere you could possibly
plant yourself. And so I think a

718
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.199
lot of what people interpret as the
ignoring of food or you know, people

719
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.119
are just assuming that the Sasquatch sees
the food and is electing not to take

720
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.840
it, which is probably not the
case in most of those cases. Right,

721
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:28.559
I've been out where like we know
they were there, like they were

722
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:30.960
knocking around us in whistle and stuff, and I've gone out and put it

723
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.559
out there, you know, like
no cameras on, like they could approach

724
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.000
it not seen, and they never
touched it than that pretty often. Yeah,

725
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.599
I mean that might be part of
it. To me, it's the

726
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.440
same thing as like you know,
oh, well the Sasquatch heard our calls

727
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.639
and chose not to call back,
and it's like, oh, in all

728
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.039
likelihood, there wasn't one within earshot. You know, ninety percent of the

729
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.599
time that we're out there, it's
just again like a number of games,

730
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.800
so to speak. Well, i
mean there's definitely times that they're out there

731
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.320
and the heroes they just don't respond, but we don't know that we don't

732
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.159
know which were one one or the
other. Oh exactly. I'm just saying

733
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.760
it's more likely that you know,
there's just not one around than it is

734
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.360
that like, oh, they're around, and they're observing everything we're doing,

735
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:14.199
and they're just you know, exercising
self control and deciding not to interact or

736
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.559
respond or take the food. Not
that it would be more likely that they

737
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.840
would, it's just that, like
in the absence of responses or the absence

738
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.079
of bait being taken, I think
the simplest explanation would be, well,

739
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.639
they're just not one around, Rather
than just say like, oh, they

740
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.039
were here, we didn't hear anything, which is evidence that they were here

741
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.400
and chose to be quiet. It's
like, no, you didn't hear anything

742
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:36.639
because there's probably nothing there to hear. You know, the forest is mostly

743
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.360
empty. It's like the ocean.
You know, ninety percent of the fish

744
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:45.039
living ten percent of the ocean.
The forests are staggeringly empty. That's what

745
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:46.679
I learned more than anything else.
That's what i'd learned from having a thermal

746
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:52.119
imager. Yeah, there's just a
lot of rats, Yeah, a lot

747
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.199
of rats. All right, So
we have one more voicemail and a bunch

748
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.360
of written stuff. But we're already
over an hour right now, so I'd

749
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.000
say, let's do the voicemail.
Yeah, let's talk about all right,

750
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.199
here's the last voice mail. Hi, I'm my name Steve. Thank you

751
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:09.519
so much Cliff and Matt for giving
us the opportunity to come and spend the

752
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.760
evening with you on Thursday. It
was an excellent time. I loved it.

753
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:16.519
Thank you so much. You guys
are generous hosts. I appreciate it.

754
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:22.360
Anyway, the Ape Canyon exhibit had
that big picture hanging above it,

755
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.119
and I just it just made my
imagination reun wild. So my question is,

756
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:32.000
is anybody putting trail cams up around
an area is it still being researched

757
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:37.199
up there or that area is still
being monitored. I know people are going

758
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:42.480
up there and revisiting the site,
but it's being monitored. Do you have

759
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.400
any information for us on that?
Thank you. Yeah, it's not it's

760
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.440
not. Things have happened. While
Mark has been on expedition up there.

761
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:57.280
He's heard some amazing vocalizations from multiple
animals, including like the weird sort of

762
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:02.280
talking like vocalizations like you like that
kind of stuff. He's heard those.

763
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.599
They've cast footprints up there and seen
other footprints seeing up on top there,

764
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.119
up towards Pumas Butte and plains at
Abraham and all that sort of thing.

765
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:20.000
There's plentiful mountain goats. I mean, I saw at least two distinct herds

766
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.320
when I was there in July this
past year, and I think that that's

767
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.639
the reason sasquatches are up there as
well. There's a lot of mountain goats,

768
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.000
particularly in the area, and sasquatches
being apes, are really good at

769
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:35.360
hopping around and crazy terrain and stuff, and they're the kind of predator that

770
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.119
could actually, you know, get
a mountain, go take it down.

771
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.119
I think so. I think that's
why they're up there. But yeah,

772
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.159
Mark and his colleagues who have gone
up there over the years have cast at

773
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:46.960
least one footprint that and by the
way, we're going to get that footprint

774
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:52.159
for the North American Big Foot Centers
exhibit. Since Steve, you have been

775
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.599
to the museum and you've seen the
new displays, you know, the glass

776
00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:00.320
casess underneath those right now, we
have a couple of artifacts in there.

777
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.800
We have a copy of Fred Beck's
book I Fought the Ape Man of Mount

778
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.280
Saint Helen's. Oh. We have
a footprint cast, an original footprint cast

779
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:12.320
that was donated to the museum by
a group of researchers who work that area.

780
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.639
Actually they were down below. They
were down below between maybe Ape Caves

781
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.920
and the southeast side of the mountain
in that stretch there. But a lot

782
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.199
of stuff happens in that stretch.
Of course, a lot of stuff happens

783
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:28.119
in other stretches of the mountain too, you know, the horse Camp area,

784
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.760
and some stuff up on top of
the Tootle River. And there's a

785
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.960
lot of good big footing to be
done in Mount Saint Helens still, but

786
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.599
up on top there no one's monitoring
it because it's a long ways in.

787
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:39.800
You know, it's a five or
six mile walk the fifteen hundred foot elevation

788
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.320
gain, and you know, it's
just a long walk in. There's a

789
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.280
lot of easier places that you can
monitor with any regularity than there, as

790
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.440
far as you know. Down to
the cabin site, first of all,

791
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.400
I want to make it very clear
no one should go there. It's extraordinarily

792
00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.599
dangerous and legitimately you are taking your
life in your own hands when you even

793
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.280
approach it. So I want to
make them very very clear. I do

794
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.800
I strongly recommend do not try to
go to the cabin site. You don't

795
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:09.480
know where it is. There's no
sign of it above ground anymore as of

796
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:14.760
last year, you won't even know
you're there. If you happen to stumble

797
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.239
on it, you won't even know
it, and you'll just keep stumbling,

798
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.960
and one wrong stumble will make you
plummet to your death. And you can

799
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.079
even look it up online. Some
people were there in the early seventies.

800
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.800
They might have even been looking for
the cabin site because really there's no other

801
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.480
reason to go there. And one
guy fell to his death there, you

802
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.239
know, down into the ravine,
so I do not recommend you get down

803
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.800
there. So no one, no
one's in there monitoring anything. Because even

804
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.480
up on top of the plains of
Abraham, which is the only place you're

805
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.360
allowed really to camp in that area
because it's the Volcanic National Monument, that's

806
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:51.239
a five to six mile walk in
and it's not easy and it's not terrible.

807
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:52.440
You know, it's just a five
to six mile walk, but still,

808
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.400
you know, in and out one
day that's twelve miles, and it's

809
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.920
to monitor what you know, there's
there's plenty of more accessible bigfoots around Mount

810
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.079
Saint Helens and those well, it
shows you, it shows you that like

811
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.119
the areas, they'll hang out like
this, you're talking about how to not

812
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.880
this is to get to you,
and like those squatches are just walking around

813
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.880
down there. Oh yeah, yeah, the whole Ape Canyon event, you

814
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.440
know, back in twenty four,
one hundred years ago. It just makes

815
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.639
a lot of sense when you keep
in mind that these things are apes,

816
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.519
and climbing is what they do.
You know, you look at the anatomy

817
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:27.599
of a sasquatch. Their arms are
longer than their legs. That means they're

818
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.039
built for climbing, you know.
I mean, they're they're climbing around to

819
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:36.320
these uneven terrain and that's the kind
of thing they're made for. They don't

820
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:44.320
mind being in very inaccessible and crazy
places that humans simply don't like to go,

821
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.599
you know, at least without ropes
and whatnot. But for sasquatches and

822
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.679
goats and other animals, it's no
big deal. They just go there.

823
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.159
It's just what they do. Yeah, I can totally see why. I

824
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.360
can totally see why. But no, as far as I know, Steve,

825
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.239
no one is actually monitoring up on
top of the mountain because it's just

826
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:05.719
so far in and so difficult to
reach, so hard to get to.

827
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.360
It just be hard you know,
especially when you can just go to the

828
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.039
you go off the side of the
road down below, and you know,

829
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.519
there's been sidings on the trail in
between the parking lot and eight caves.

830
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:21.840
There have been literally sightings there at
night, like at the end of the

831
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.320
day. The last group to walk
out of the caves. In one summer,

832
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.320
just like six or eight years ago, I got three reports in a

833
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.440
matter of two months, all about
six or seven eight o'clock at night,

834
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:36.559
you know, walking out from the
caves, like the last group going out

835
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.039
from the tour or whatever, and
there was a visual siding, there was

836
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:44.159
rock throwing, and then there were
a bunch of whistles accompanied by something trailing

837
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.119
them out. All three of those
are Sasquatches most likely, and that was

838
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:51.760
in one summer. So why would
you walk six miles up to a desolate

839
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:57.079
place with no water source, where
you're not allowed to camp to monitor up

840
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.559
there. That's my thought. I
would never do that. I would just

841
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.079
go off the side of the road
by the parking lot and see if I

842
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.920
can find them there, because I'm
just too lazy to do otherwise, you

843
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.599
know. Oh and by the way, I'm glad you enjoyed the Meldium event.

844
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:13.039
Thank you very much for coming.
All right, so here is the

845
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.840
first written question. Take it,
Bobs. Dustin Shelton writes, Hi,

846
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.880
Cliff and Bobo love the show.
I've been watching old episodes of Finding Bigfoot.

847
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:23.639
I'm floored by the amount of times
Renee says I can't rule it out

848
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.079
being a person in a suit,
or I think it was someone playing a

849
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.599
prank. But the thousands of witnesses
you counted on the show, did she

850
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.559
really think that there really were that
many people that had access to a first

851
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:37.760
suit looking to pull one over on
someone? Or was she just out of

852
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.639
things to say? I don't know
about that, because what I found with

853
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.320
Renee is that she very often told
us what it was not, but would

854
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.960
almost never tell us what she thought
it was. And I think it's a

855
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.360
simple thing to say, Oh,
I can't rule out it as a person

856
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:55.039
wearing a suit, Well, guess
what Chica sasquatches look like people in monkey

857
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:58.679
suits. I don't know, man, It's like, you know, how

858
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.920
do I know that's a deer and
not a baby elk in a deer suit?

859
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.039
They kind of look the same too, you know what I mean?

860
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.079
So that was my problem with that. You know, I like Renee.

861
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:08.519
She's a lovely person, very very
kind in a lot of ways and all

862
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:13.199
that stuff, But at the same
time, I found her explanations lacking,

863
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:15.679
where very often she was more than
willing to say what it was not,

864
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:21.559
but would almost never offer up what
a more reasonable explanation was. And if

865
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.559
you notice, she didn't really didn't
like to say that I think this dude's

866
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.880
lying, Like she wouldn't do that, you know, because she also has

867
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.920
a lot of faith in people.
But yeah, so I don't know.

868
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.880
I think it would have been a
lot easier just to say pushaw, you're

869
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.840
not telling the truth and be done
with it, instead of a well that's

870
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:42.119
a person in a suit, which
you know seems extraordinarily unlikely in a lot

871
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.159
of those circumstances. Well, I
know I've said this before in previous episodes

872
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.440
as an outsider who was not,
you know, a real member of the

873
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.480
crew. But I worked on a
couple of episodes, was that I would

874
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.360
watch those talking head interviews because I'd
be standing off to the side, and

875
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.639
of course, like the questions you
guys would get asked would be things like,

876
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:01.920
you know what about this is similar
to other sasquatch sidings? What about

877
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:06.880
this makes you lean towards this being
a legitimate sasquatch siding, et cetera.

878
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.679
And the questions that would get asked
of Vernee in the talking head segments would

879
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.199
be like, why is this not
a sasquatch? What other explanations might you

880
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.880
have? You know, So,
of course she's answering those questions, and

881
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:22.480
you're watching like the cumulative however many
you know, dozens or maybe the full

882
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.880
hundred episodes of that show, and
so you're seeing her by herself saying things

883
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.559
that seem spontaneous, but really she's
answering questions, and because of the sort

884
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.679
of role that she had on the
show, there's a certain kind of question

885
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.199
being asked that you guys, are
not necessarily being asked, Like when you

886
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.519
say, that's fair at least for
an audience member to know or understand,

887
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.559
Oh, absolutely absolutely, because hey, it's TV, and we may have

888
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:51.679
had pretty much the you know,
the most honest and transparent Bigfoot show out

889
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.079
there that's in my opinion, that's
been made. But at the same time,

890
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:59.280
it's still TV, and at best, television is a shallow superficial medium.

891
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:04.199
There's a lot that goes on off
camera that drives the narrative, you

892
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.800
know, and at the end of
the day, the producers are trying to

893
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:10.199
make a narrative, a story that
makes sense to the viewer, that is

894
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:14.000
cohesive and connects to one another,
and all that sort of stuff. It's

895
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:19.039
a psychological thing. I never really
understood the amount of psychology that goes into

896
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.280
television. Like little things too,
like if you have a scene where you

897
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.079
don't do a drive up scene,
like it's unsettling to the viewer, Like

898
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.920
you have to see the people arrive
at a location, otherwise it doesn't make

899
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:36.360
sense to the viewer and it's unsettling
to them. And also other little things

900
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:40.159
like if you exit to the left
of the screen, that means you should

901
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:43.920
come back on from the left or
from the right. I don't forget which

902
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.159
one it is. But like little
things like that, I mean, I

903
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.480
guess that's the kind of thing you
pick up in film school. But the

904
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:53.199
small psychological quirks could develop, and
you know, if you don't do it

905
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:58.920
right, and it's unsettling to the
viewer. So yeah, but the producers

906
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:04.719
are always driving a narrow in a
way that that goes along with a storyline,

907
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.639
so the viewer, So it is
what makes sense to the viewer,

908
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:12.599
you know, And Renee did get
asked questions like, well, since you

909
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.400
don't believe in bigfoot, that's not
a bigfoot? What else do you think

910
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:17.639
it could be, you know,
trying to get a trying to get answers

911
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:22.440
from her like that. Okay.
The next question is from Greg Thomas,

912
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:28.679
and he asks what is the process
for collecting and storing a hair sample for

913
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:32.719
DNA testing to improve the likelihood of
having a bigfoot hair sample that can be

914
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.920
successfully tested. Thank you for your
continued great work on the podcast and other

915
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:43.400
things you guys continue to do to
further increase people's knowledge about Bigfoot. Try

916
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.719
not to touch it. Don't don't
touch the hair. You know, tweezers

917
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.880
or gloves are great. You know, you don't breathe on it, don't

918
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.760
get too close to it because the
moisture coming out of your mouth contains your

919
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:59.960
DNA. And then put it in
a paper envelope, preferably one of the

920
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.400
those acid free paper envelopes, the
brown colored ones. But yeah, I

921
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:07.920
mean that's kind of it. Hair's
really simple to deal with get it off

922
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:13.039
the branch or whatever it's on.
With the tweezers if you can, sterilized

923
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:15.400
tweezers are best. But you know, use whatever you have, put it

924
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.400
in an envelope and there you go. That's it. Then send it to

925
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.800
Derby, Derby Orchid. So that's
what I would do, all right.

926
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:29.800
We got this one from Jamie Jamie
incs. I think that's that's the tattoo

927
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:31.599
ars we see in Ohio every year. I think that's what that is.

928
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:36.559
We are here debating how sasquatch drink. One of us says with the cup

929
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:38.519
hand, and the other says,
putting his face into the water source.

930
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:40.960
What do you think? Yeah,
I've heard him doing bolt, but I've

931
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:46.159
heard more of the cup hand.
I've heard numerous observations of sasquatches using a

932
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:51.840
cup hand and bringing the water up
to its mouth. So I think that's

933
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.159
probably the way to the way to
go. Yeah, definitely, that's the

934
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:59.039
most common reported. Yeah. William
Roe of course observed a sasquatch at very

935
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.039
close range and in a calm and
about how how I guess prehensile their lips

936
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.559
are, you know, about how
it extend out and kind of wrap around

937
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:10.519
the berry leaves. It was eating
the leaves off a very berry bullsh I

938
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:15.159
remember correctly. So yeah, so
maybe something like that goes on when they

939
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.800
drink too. I was putting like
snap off a stock, then put in

940
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:22.880
the base of the stock like a
corner on the cob, and then pull

941
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.880
it through its teeth and just strip
everything into its smellt Like, did you,

942
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:29.199
Matt when you were you know,
and Emily were at the house,

943
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.800
did you see those bloody corn cobs
that Melissa made? I did the corn

944
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:39.039
on the macab Yeah, corn on
the macab. Well, I love my

945
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:43.599
wife, you can see why.
And I got to come face to face

946
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:46.480
with the Bobo effigy in the museum
and it was strikingly life like. Oh

947
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:53.880
sure you it was just it was
strikingly lifelike for your your previous life back

948
01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:00.519
in the day, like circa twelve
Bobo. Yeah. Your comment is,

949
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:05.320
mel how come he made the fat
bobs? Yes? Because it was easier

950
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:09.079
to sculpt. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And of course we're talking

951
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:13.199
about we on the top of the
hat rack in the North American Bigfoot Center,

952
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:17.000
we have a sculpt of Bobo's head
with a gone squatch and hat on

953
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:22.280
it that my wife made made a
late text copy of it, and I

954
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:25.599
comment, I comment to customers that
when they ask about you and its Bobo

955
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.920
doing it. So we put his
head on a spike right there as a

956
01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:32.760
warning in case he came by.
I didn't want fad Paler to have all

957
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:37.159
the fun. Yeah, I should
just put out a bunch of boboisms from

958
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.760
an episode or two, and then
you could put it on like a little

959
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:43.880
Bluetooth speaker with a motion sensor,
and so when people walk by it,

960
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:50.599
it just spontaneously goes like class.
Maybe we'll add that to the Murphy mix,

961
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.480
you know, instead of the knocking
and the whooping, it'll go cut

962
01:02:52.519 --> 01:03:00.639
that out. Here's the last written
question and then you have to, you

963
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:04.840
know, speaking of maybe as a
little teaser for what our bonus episode will

964
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.760
be. I did find, to
my great surprise the other day. I

965
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:10.679
was going through one of our closets
where we store a lot of like outdoor

966
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.559
gear, and I saw Emily,
my wife, had one of the pink

967
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.000
gun squatching hats from back in the
day that she'd bought like way before we

968
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.599
ever met, and I was like, oh, there's the influence of Bobo

969
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:24.840
in my life before Emily was in
my life, and so we had a

970
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:30.320
good laugh about that. Have you
ever run into someone just like spontaneously out

971
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:31.559
in the wild wearing a gun squatch
and hat, like, not at a

972
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:35.679
Bigfoot of inn or something, but
just like out in public randomly, Oh

973
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.559
lots of times. Did you ever
see that picture of Justin Bieber wearing a

974
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:42.199
gun, squatch and hat? Yeah, that's pretty epic. I think.

975
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.440
Oh we put it I'm pretty sure
we put it out on social media once

976
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:49.679
early on in the in the podcast, and then all the comments were so

977
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.639
negative about Justin Bieber. I was
like, oh, okay, yeah,

978
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:55.360
I put it on my social media
back in the day, and I couldn't

979
01:03:55.400 --> 01:04:00.599
believe all the angry people and hatred
and just crazy easy stuff like I don't

980
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.920
know what it is about that guy
that drives everybody else nuts like that,

981
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.079
but man, that that picture really
brought out the worst and a lot of

982
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.519
people. I'll say that I love
the Beames. Well, you see all

983
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.199
the attention that Taylor Swift bring into
the NFL, and so if you guys

984
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:23.119
somehow make Taylor Swift a Bigfoot and
Beyond fan, we can retire we'll be

985
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:29.840
recording these episodes on Bobo's yacht.
All these people who are mad at Taylor.

986
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.960
Taylor Swift just need to shake it
off, man, But thank you

987
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.880
very much. Is that one of
her songs? Yeah, it's the only

988
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:40.000
one I know, by the way, But yeah, somebody get Taylor going

989
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:44.880
Squatching hat or T shirt listeners,
if any of you happen to be like

990
01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:47.239
Taylor Swift's third cousin, give her
a Bigfoot and Beyond t shirt. If

991
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:50.880
she wears it at the super Bowl, We'll deliver to you the best content

992
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:57.199
you could possibly imagine. I think
she's more of a keep it squatchy girl.

993
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.800
All right, Bob, this one's
yours. This one comes Larry Beatty.

994
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.320
How sensitive do you think bigfoots are
to electronic equipment? They seem to

995
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:08.519
avoid electronics is And as per your
story about money Maker using the technique of

996
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:13.039
putting a camera inside a cabinet inside
a trailer, should current bigfooters go low

997
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.360
tech like the Patterson film or do
you think high tech will finally bring us

998
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:20.199
closure? I think that film was
great and there's no like especially with that

999
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.639
one, like k one Roger was
using. You just pull the trail.

1000
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:28.880
There's no warm up, it's just
boom, it's rolling. That's a bonus.

1001
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:32.719
But you have to be so so
frugal filming, I think, is

1002
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:36.280
it's expensive if you only have like
so many minutes on per role and it's

1003
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:42.039
like that's it's just not feis is
not practical at all. But yeah,

1004
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:45.320
I think they're sensitive electronics, but
oddly enough, not audio recorders like they

1005
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:48.280
don't that does not seem to do
with them, like the cameras, do

1006
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:53.719
game cams anything, if it's like
an infrared beam, you know. Well,

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01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:58.760
I think if they're sensitive to electronics
at all, I personally think that

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01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.719
they hear them like that high pitched
wine. And the only thing I can

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01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.039
really anchor that on is when when
I was a kid, you know,

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01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:08.320
back in the seventies and eighties and
stuff, I could tell if there was

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01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.119
a television on in the other room
because I could kind of hear it in

1012
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.199
a way, you know. And
the televisions nowadays, I don't think really

1013
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.480
do that as much as they did
back in the day. You know,

1014
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:19.719
probably they probably had something to do
with the tubes inside the TV and all

1015
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:24.159
that sort of stuff, because everything's
digital nowadays. And technology has changed so

1016
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:28.920
much. But I'm guessing this is
just a guess that there's something like that

1017
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:33.320
they emit noise. There is an
engineer from Wisconsin that I was in contact

1018
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:38.239
with for a while, and he
did some testing with game cameras and found

1019
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:42.159
that all of them, or almost
all of them, are quite noisy at

1020
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:46.920
very very high frequencies beyond which humans
can hear. He said that the Raconics

1021
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:50.320
hyper Fire, which are these little
jobbers that cost like six hundred bucks,

1022
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:55.199
they are apparently pretty quiet. So
he invested a great deal of money in

1023
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:57.480
those, and I don't think he
ever got any pictures or anything. I've

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01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.519
kind of a lost touch with him
a little bit. He might listener,

1025
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:01.440
for all we know. He's a
bigfoot guy after all, So I don't

1026
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:03.480
know. So if that, if
that's you out there, I'm talking about

1027
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:09.000
you. But yeah, apparently they
actually make a kind of a lot of

1028
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:14.159
noise, but I don't I don't
think they feel it or anything or sensitive

1029
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:18.920
to em efort radiation or anything like
that. And as evidence of that are

1030
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:24.280
game camera pictures that are actually pretty
good from low quality cameras. I think

1031
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:27.559
that it's a numbers game and I
think that sasquatches are rare and they're very

1032
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:31.079
very You can't predict where they're going
to walk, and people who see them

1033
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.000
have cameras on them nowadays because everybody's
got a phone in their pocket. It's

1034
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:39.239
just say, it's hard to get
a picture of any wild animal. Well

1035
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:44.159
that was the last question, right, yep. Now you know Valentine's Day

1036
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:46.880
is this week. We're going to
do something special for Valentine's Day this week.

1037
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.599
I think it's going to be kind
of cool. I'm excited about this

1038
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:54.599
when we've been kind of talking about
doing something like this for kind of a

1039
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:58.519
long time. See, all of
us have a significant other in our lives,

1040
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.000
and sometimes I kind of wonder,
like, how the heck do they

1041
01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:03.519
deal with us? And not only
does Melissa, by the way, like

1042
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:09.119
Karita, of course, she's bewildering
in that sort of way, how she

1043
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:12.840
deals with Bobo and even Emily who
is a bigfooter because you know Creta on

1044
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.239
Melissa, they're not bigfooters, but
Emily, Matt Prout's wife there is a

1045
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.039
big footer. So that makes sense
that she can deal with all this bigfoot

1046
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:21.119
stuff and everything. But I got
to say, that all three of them

1047
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:25.399
have to be angels, and they're
also our support team behind the scenes here,

1048
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.960
not only in our regular lives,
but also professionally as well. How

1049
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:30.760
Melissa helps out at the museum,
and I'm sure that Bobo and Matt have

1050
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.279
their own examples of how their significant
others support them and help them and love

1051
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:39.279
them along the way. So what
we thought would be a fun idea is

1052
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.520
for our members section. This is
only for the members, by the way,

1053
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.079
So if you're not a member yet, maybe you want to become one.

1054
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:48.600
You can go to the podcast website, Bigfoot of Beyond podcast dot com

1055
01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:50.920
and hit the membership button and they'll
take you right to where you need to

1056
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:54.600
go. Five bucks a month you
get an extra like, god, what,

1057
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.199
four hours of Cliff, Bobo and
Matt every single month. That's kind

1058
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.000
of cool. But what we're gonna
do is we're gonna take questions from our

1059
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:06.000
members for the Q and A,
and we're not going to answer them.

1060
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:12.600
Emily, Melissa and Karita are going
to answer them, and I cannot wait

1061
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.720
to hear what they say. I
could wait. I know you like you're

1062
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:18.560
scared both that you have to admit
that you're scared of what she's going to

1063
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:24.159
say. I want to get screwed. Yeah, but don't you think we're

1064
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:26.840
all going to get screwed. That's
what they ask I'm going to get the

1065
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:30.159
worst of it. I suspect that
all the questions big what's Bubbo like behind

1066
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:40.279
the scene, and she doesn't know. I think it's going to be super

1067
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:42.600
fun. We did put out the
word to our patrons like, hey,

1068
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.119
we're going to do this episode where
the ladies behind the scenes are big fan

1069
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.199
of beon are going to answer your
questions and so We've gotten some good questions

1070
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:55.520
already. So I'm looking forward to
it. I'm looking forward to it.

1071
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.680
I'm looking forward to hearing what Karta
has to say. Well, there you

1072
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.439
go. That's something for our members
look forward to every Thursday and new member

1073
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:04.399
episode comes out. If you want
to become a member again, go to

1074
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:08.520
the website become a member. It's
cool at other than that, Bobs,

1075
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:10.560
why don't you take us out of
here? All right? Folks? That

1076
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:15.760
wraps up another episode of Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo doing our monthly

1077
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:19.840
question and answer with the folks.
So thanks for sending in those questions and

1078
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:29.199
until next week, y'all keep it
squatchy. Well. Thanks for listening to

1079
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:31.960
this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what you heard,

1080
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:36.600
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1081
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:42.319
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1082
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01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:50.600
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